gameplay-discussion

[royal plank]

It may be an odd mentality but I'm trying to get all of the bows in the game up to level 30 before I sawp to a new weapon type its how I've always played games eith mastery systems

I just started playing Friday night since I had the weekend off now it's Sunday night and I've completed sirin pact, and 2 bows so I'm having alot of fun

[frigid spoke]

There's five bows if you get the founder stuff

[austere trail]

can someone explain how the mendicant armor drops work? I have over 15 sabaton parts, just barely got enough for a cuirass, and have seen no helmets. A friend of mine hasnt seen anything other than a mendicant helmet, and a different friend has only gotten torso pieces. What's going on with this?

we have the trifecta of "I'm only getting one part"

[prisma dagger]

rng is weird. It's really difficult to parse whether there's a real issues just from anecdotes.

[visual heron]

If you're all getting different pieces from each other that means the drop table is functional but rng just isn't on your side. If you were all getting the same piece as each other and nothing else, that may be indication of a problem.

[arctic hazel]

What's the fastest way to level stuff? I've gotta brute force level base tethren and my sidearm and I'd rather not farm for 8+ hours again

[final rock]

unless Thawtide changed things Endless is the best for pacts

[unkempt sphinx]

Arena in Glades. Look in recruiting chat.

Or then Mockeries outside the Crypt of the Circade east of Fort Kearnhold. Logout after killing and go again

[austere trail]

t changfed the way that xp is divided. 50

50% goes to pact, 50% goes to current equipped weapon

[final rock]

oh did they let weps level w/o needing affinity share again?

[austere trail]

yup it was in the last big update

[final rock]

guess I need to go back into the endless mines to grind a few weps

[arctic hazel]

arena kinda scares me
I see level 60 enemies in there and doing that with a low level pact and weapon sounds miserable

i'll stick to those mockeries I think

[final rock]

back in P10 I got both the chestpiece and leggings and assumed the helmet didnt exist as I hadnt gotten a single frag of it

eh only pacts I have left are Teth, Teth 2, and Mora which I don't have so it shouldnt be too miserable

btw speaking of fragment rng what did DE do to the mockery drops? It is absurdly low from my experience.

[arctic hazel]

probably nothing
once low always low

[final rock]

oh yeah I do not wish to imply they changed it, never had luck at any point, but what were they doing when they made it?

[arctic hazel]

copious amounts of early DE game drugs

[final rock]

I have only gotten 3-4 fragments of one and 0 of the other after killing a good few hundred

[arctic hazel]

I'm not even sure what to prioritise right now

game has so much in it even now

[final rock]

my theory is they designed it around endless Mockeries dropping stuff, but those mockeries didn't have drops so who knows.

[austere trail]

impidhs drop the mockery stuff and weapons too

i didnt know the regular dudes did tbh

[final rock]

i call both of em mockeries

is there a difference in their drops?

[austere trail]

bosses have better drop rates than the regular dudes yes

[final rock]

oh thrice bound

[austere trail]

yee

[arctic hazel]

i've gotta get a mora blessed joinery for my gatharnnan, level it up again and find an attack speed totem for it

level up and get a rune for my thrice spurns

max out tethren for the extra points

then upgrade all my runes and totems x.x

might just farm the joinery first then I can just level

[austere trail]

just use duhk halic

and then just a polished joinery

[final rock]

oh there are 3 mockery weps god

[arctic hazel]

I like how gath looks more

first build is one I plan to use for a while

[austere trail]

that's valid

[arctic hazel]

I really underestimated flyblades too

smite generation machines

[final rock]

I need to actually give flyblades a try again because they didn't feel great when I tried em in P10

given I didnt have Teth back then which allegedly does real well w flyblades

[austere trail]

honestly flyblades are kinda meh

if you're looking for a ranged sidearm, Odiac

[final rock]

yeah Odiac is real solid

shame my main use case for it was Bromius armor

[cerulean verge]

Did they update how big the wolf cub is

[austere trail]

im trying to figure out what you mean by this

[arctic hazel]

yeah as sidearms they suck

least compared to odiac and esthelle

but when you're using them with melee in tandem

[austere trail]

they're great for armor stripping

[final rock]

Bromius 1 does more dmg depending on your armor, think they recently nerfed that severly tho, and magick sidearms had a rune to double the defense totem slots

[austere trail]

confused why it's not general use and just bromius?

[arctic hazel]

they count towards consecutive strikes for fellust so you're generating smites, healing off said smites, stripping armour and doing supplementary damage while whatever your melee weapon is is throwing out hits of 2-3k

only lasts a few seconds but not a single thing in the game atm can tank that

[final rock]

because I just had it in my pocket while I leveled primaries

[timid ridge]

Is anybody else having their client of Soulframe stay in the loading screen for minutes at a time?

[austere trail]

try optimizing the download cache in the launcher

[final rock]

just a warning that doesn't do anything on SSDs iirc

[timid ridge]

maybe it's something in the code on my end then? I am running off of SSDs.

Yeah, it looks like the first time it updated for today, it looks like it flubbed the update...

[zenith knoll]

i forget these just exist in the overworld sometimes

[timid ridge]

Looks like, for me, it's not my system, because I just got off of Warframe earlier, and just a little bit ago let the DL start, and it's still taking a long time to get through the loading screen.

[sly escarp]

The download screen can be slow sometimes.

Not sure why only for Soulframe

[hybrid junco]

How can i start playing soulframe

I installed it

But it says that i need permision

[sly escarp]

You need pre alpha access to play it at this time

[sly escarp]

For more information check out here: #envoy-gathering message

[hybrid junco]

Ok for me to play i need to buy a pack?

[kind vortex]

They scared the piss out of me before

Also I can finally play again next week, travels and such

[tropic mortar]

How does one get an invite for the game?

I downloaded it and created an account having zero idea you couldnt just play it.

[tired sail]

• Sign up on Soulframe.com and be invited via the Wednesday giveaway (2k codes every week)
• Purchase a Founder's Pack, which will give you spare codes for your friends.
• Watch a dev stream or Envoy Hour via Twitch (follow twitch.tv/playsoulframe for notifications)

[tropic mortar]

Is that three different ways to get an invite or do you need to do all three?

[tired sail]

People will sometimes give away their extra invite codes (can't ask for codes in this server)

[unique mulch]

check your dm i sent you a code

guys is there a daily cap on the harmony you can get by capturing animals?

[tropic mortar]

Thanks!

[tired sail]

Not as far as I know. There is also the option to just dissolve them for extra harmony. I haven't seemed to hit a cap turning my runes to dust.

[muted oxide]

when you rly wanna play but game keep crashing xD

[unique mulch]

how do you sell the runes? i didn't find the option

[tropic mortar]

THANK YOU!! I was playing New World (my very first game ever) but well... here we are... looking for a new game. lol

I accidently picked the wrong skin tone... if I force close the game (I dont see back) will it start over?

[tired sail]

Go to arsenal > right click a weapon > Left click on a rune/totem slot > Check Compendium, unckeck compatible > Right click duplicates

You can only dissolve one at a time though so I tend to just do runes. The animals are a little more time consuming because they don't give as much.

[viral moat]

Hi, is there any way to get codes?

[tired sail]

• Sign up on Soulframe.com and be invited via the Wednesday giveaway (2k codes every week)
• Purchase a Founder's Pack, which will give you spare codes for your friends.
• Watch a dev stream or Envoy Hour via Twitch (follow twitch.tv/playsoulframe for notifications)

[muted oxide]

how manyu you need ? i got couple i can share

[tropic mortar]

This community is sooo nice

[viral moat]

8
only 1

[peak jackal]

i could do with one?

[unique mulch]

np also if someone else wants a code
78AF-579A-08CE-1517

C80F-9A7A-3EAF-50F3

[muted oxide]

E06C-842C-1BAA-743F
FB96-6B60-5AFE-FFB2
667D-5659-4283-C5C6
DC5A-EA06-29F8-43FE

[unique mulch]

holy thanks 😭🙏🙏🙏

[viral moat]

😮
Thanks!

[muted oxide]

[peak jackal]

thank you been waiting for so long!

[austere trail]

that's not normal. You might want to check your install

[austere trail]

you can replay the character customization quest

cant change gender tho

[tropic mortar]

Makes sense... I just force closed and restarted lol

where did they get me pic from last Friday?! 🤣

The graphics are incredible...

[jolly pumice]

hey guys so how do i get 3 star weapon

i need to reforge or something or find it somewhere

[royal plank]

How do I know when dusk and dawn are for the triune talisman? Is it just when it becomes day and when it becomes night

Been trying for like 2 hours straight and dude just doesn't want to spawn for me no matter what

I've got 2 frags so I just need 1 more kill lol

[tired sail]

Only specific weapons have 3* rarity

[lone gorge]

How soon will I receive the invitation to access the game?

[tired sail]

It is a lottery system for random invites, or if you're able to catch a stream with a code as a drop then you just need to claim it.

[final rock]

who knows. at most prob a month or two since they do Twitch streams fairly often w guaranteed code drops if you watch em.

[lone gorge]

Ok Thank you 😉

[jolly pumice]

should i have free space to get golden animal or how it works?

[peak jackal]

i waited since september or august for an email and still havent recieved, only got a code before luckily.

[jolly pumice]

or it upgrades

[orchid valve]

Hey guys, how do I get the code? I'm new here.

[vernal iron]

if i buy founders do i get access to play right away?

[bitter quartz]

Check the wiki for the Crypt of the Circade. It has the exact time that you need to have the talismans equipped, for each talisman. You can check the time at the bottom left of the map. Also, if you have just one left and have done everything, it might be a bug. A lot of us don't have the final fragment even after killing the guy all three times. He doesn't spawn afterwards, either.

[royal plank]

I finally got it now just gotta wait the day for the craft

[fast hatch]

how do I apply the polised stuff to weapons?

[jolly pumice]

are there ice type runes?

[uneven urchin]

Had a screenshot, lost the screenshot. But verbally I just wanted to mention a bug I found.

Finally put two and two together that the weird mechanical bird call is the Thawtide event talking. But twice now I’ve found a floating flock of frozen cardinals. Normally they’re frozen in place hovering over one of those bird calls, so I think it’s just a bugged spawn attempt of an actual Thawtide encounter

[daring jacinth]

Not at this time

[timid ridge]

I noticed that all of the WYLD(Founder's) armor is 2-star, instead of the equal-to/or-better-than the best 3-star gear.

[frozen spruce]

sometimes when I'm doing a combo with a weapon the blade suddenly gets a longer glowy blade, what is that?

[verbal herald]

are you holding down heavy attack button?

[frozen spruce]

that gives me like a gold flash, this was like a green ghostly blade over the normal blade

[verbal herald]

i dont think ive seen anything like that before

[frozen spruce]

It seems to happen a good bit when I'm using Virdigris, and i noticed it a few times so far with Sollos, so maybe it's a spirit scaling weapon thing?

[verbal herald]

do you have any totems or runes equipped?

[frozen spruce]

none that do anything like that

Could it be a smite effect exclusive to those weapons?

[zenith onyx]

I've done the arbearer, where do I get the wevet seeds?

[verbal herald]

could it be your weapon ranking up? sometimes my swords look like a green light flows into it when it levels up

[daring jacinth]

Seeds are in your nightfold, there is a potted plant next to the witch that has them in it. You can collect them by standing on her platform, they spawn every 12 hours

[frozen spruce]

oh it could be that, does it stay on it for a second or two?

[verbal herald]

sometimes, i just noticed it doesnt always show the rank up notification especially if fighting a boss

[hardy flower]

Can I get orengall armor fragments from any T3 sparrow quest or does it have to be at the undercity? I see conflicting information online and on the wiki

[frigid spoke]

t3 alca's children faction only atm iirc

[daring jacinth]

The collector event (the metal crates she tries to pull up to the ship) can drop the frags too.

Just the helm and chest piece though I think

[fluid mountain]

hey peeps what boss gives you the rune everflame for the great sword thanks

[daring jacinth]

Both of the sieges can drop the rune. Mendicant King and Vella drop it also

[fluid mountain]

thanks mate

[fluid mountain]

it dont go on great swords ?

[frigid spoke]

you don't have the right one it looks like

greatsword one looks like this

[fluid mountain]

ah shit ok thanks for that

[daring jacinth]

Yeah, what @frigid spoke said. There are two everflame runes, one for long blade and one for greatsword

[fluid mountain]

ok does it drop from the same boss

[daring jacinth]

Yes

[frail wave]

quick question: are you actually supposed to be able to move the camera on the openning cutscene? Where you still cannot move your character? When my character was plopped on the ground, and a moose was watching me, I could "fight" the cutscene camera and move it around. It would reset automatically but, I don't think I should be able to do that (?)

[jade ledge]

Whats the difference between https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Ambling and https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Flurry
Ingame both totems say "Perfect Orbiting Flyblade additional chance of smite"
Wiki says one is orbiting flyblades overall, the other Perfect orbiting flyblades?

[daring jacinth]

The flurry gives a flat +2 to perfect orbital flyblades

While the Ambling gives an additional 1 in 33 chance to smite with perfect orbital flyblades. THe wiki just needs to be updated is all.

[mellow agate]

Right click

[jade ledge]

So to me both do the same except one has higher chance?

[somber rain]

I haven't played in ages and came across some wooden(?) enemies in the top right corner of the map. everytime I killed them they got back up. Am I missing something?

[young hazel]

My guess is that flurry is a 2 in 100 smite chance.

[jade ledge]

Use your spirits eye and catch their souls after they are knocked

[somber rain]

ty!

[autumn sleet]

if i swap factions, am i still capped for the day?

[crude ermine]

welp just learned something. when game crashes during endless it means someone Pressed 2 with Orengall

[crude ermine]

I assume 16k is the gobal cap

[autumn sleet]

drat okay

[devout stirrup]

Once again I have no idea where to find the relic in this section of the map, there is no light puzzle, no locked doors and no secret paths

[tired sail]

There is a room which requires you to pull a lever to gain access to it. Don't know if the relic can be hidden in there though

If you cross the bridge to your right in your screen shot, it should be hidden behind some crates

[devout stirrup]

I actually found it outside the mission area

[lofty dune]

Can I remove Totems from weapons and use them elsewhere?

[keen tiger]

totems are duplicated across the same type of weapons

[lofty dune]

Ah ty

[slow thistle]

What the most lvl of enemy u have in dungeons (any), except wave enemies in andurine fields?

I have 37 in cirkada on dungeon (top of map)

[robust quest]

50 in cogah

[slow thistle]

Ty

[slow thistle]

Can not find, after drink cogah, mob lvl become 30 and not going up, anywhere

[finite stone]

Thanks for pointing out that Flurry was out of date! All updated now, heads up by the way the wiki is editable by any member of the soulframe community so feel free to add stuff directly if you ever want to

On this topic, does anyone know what the +'Flat Number' chance of smite actually means, compared to +'X in Y' chance of smite?

1 in 17 is a 5.9% extra smite chance, so technically a +5 smite chance would be an extra 500% lmao but ofc that won't be it, so I'm a little stumped on what DE mean here

[prisma echo]

This game is special! I love it so far. Fun fact I just learned - you can indeed reforge a weapon that you did not personally craft. The Alder staff that was given in the Founders edition has been reforged. The wiki stated only items you craft can be reforged.

[finite stone]

Hah thanks for pointing out that wording, I guess I didn't really think anyone would interpret it that way but it makes sense! I'll change it to something like 'Any owned weapon can be reforged' or something similar 👍

[prisma echo]

Awesome! I'm sorry. Did not mean for that to sound like I was calling you out lol Just a 'matter-of-fact' clarification as that's how I read it. The wiki is amazing!

@finite stone - question on rune activation. I smite this dude... I have it ready for use... In order to "use" it do I first need to cast the applicable skill (courage, spirit, grace) that was pulled? Confuses me as sometimes after I smite and can do a light, or heavy attack and will see lightning come crashing down on one of them where as others I see the charge ready but it won't activate. Sure it's me not doing something properly.

[finite stone]

As soon as you pull smite an enemy, your rune will be active and will stay active for whatever its duration is (can be refreshed with further pull smites, or sometimes has unique extension methods like Flitsmoke gets extended by performing finishers)

[prisma echo]

So once it's active any attack (heavy, light, or skill use) will use that rune ability?

[finite stone]

Not exactly, it depends what the rune does. Like for example with Flitsmoke, there's nothing to do with heavies or light attacks or abilities. That rune makes you invisible, and extends invisibility with each finisher

I haven't fully played around with all runes, which one is it you're using with lightning crashing down?

[zenith widget]

does someone know mada?

[finite stone]

oh that just means your attacks deal a bonus 75% voltaic damage for as long as the rune lasts, I can't remember what the vfx looks like but it should apply to all weapon attacks. Not abilities I think

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Mada everyone knows her! She's beloved

[prisma echo]

It's massive amounts of blue crackling lightning that comes crashing down.

[zenith widget]

do you know what she can drop?

[finite stone]

yep it's on the page I linked, click the 'Hark the Collector' event link and it lists all the drops for you

[zenith widget]

oke thanks appreciate it

[zenith widget]

do you pehaps know how to farm for develion ?

[finite stone]

I'd personally run the two bosses and the siege that are listed in the droptable on https://wiki.avakot.org/Dewelion - I wouldn't use Collector to focus-farm it since the event has a very diluted drop pool (but it's a great event in general if there's a lot of loot you still need from it, so still worth doing when you come across it)

[zenith widget]

ok ok thanks again appreciate it haha

[prisma echo]

Side note (tested twice) - So with this particular rune when it is active and you're attacking these baddies the lightning that is called not only wrecks them but you too if you're too close, lol. I was attacking away and two different activations the lightning came down as I was using the ability during attacks and knocked us both to the ground.

[finite stone]

I just had a quick play around with it too and yeah it seems like there's a second effect that's not listed in the rune's description right?

So you've got the base +X% voltaic damage that your weapon will deal for the rune's duration (edit, nope, ingame description lies!)

But then there also seem to be these lightning strikes that come down after your attack hits an enemy, not guaranteed but maybe like 1 in 5 attacks? Similar to the sinecure suicide lightning strike but a bit thinner. Didn't know it could knock you to the ground too though lol

[prisma echo]

Seems so. It just happened a third time. Knocked me down lol

[finite stone]

Just did a quick search and looks like someone's mentioned it before too #envoy-gathering message

Often there will be discrepancy between DE's in-game descriptions and the actual effects, different teams probably so I guess they just don't catch each other's emails all the time maybe 😂 either that or it's DE being intentionally cryptic, but it's a fun effect so I think it deserves being in the rune's description

lmao I was about to add this to the wiki but looks like we've already got it on there! Yeah the ingame description is just very out of date or just non-specific, sorry I should've checked the wiki 20mins ago hahaha

[prisma echo]

Fourth time was a full success. Keep distance. I'm using the Esthelle to rank it up. The lighting was coming down in rapid succession and I was safe at a distance.

[lofty dune]

What can I do with Rusted joineries, seeing as I'd use the better ones for joinering?

(that's a word now, I've decided)

[vagrant kayak]

Nothing for now, though apparently we're getting some changes to Joineries in the near future

[blazing swan]

Hey so how do you beat the reaper boss with his shield up? am i missing a mechanic?

[lofty dune]

Fair enough; they feel a bit like they should be akin to GW2 Infusions, turning in X of one rank to make X/3 of the next rank up

[vagrant kayak]

I'll be interested to see how they change, turning the weaker ones into stronger ones is certainly a path they could take but I'm not sure I like the idea, at that point it's just worse loot anyway because getting Polished isn't exactly hard

But we'll see

[pine adder]

personally im hoping they make the joinerys like eldore have a purpase again

[zenith knoll]

i still have some weapons i upgraded with the old joineries

looking at my vasp spear with eldore bonuses

[full hearth]

[zenith knoll]

oh you can still use em? i didn't pay attention

[full hearth]

Yup

[zenith knoll]

oh i see that now

not that i'll ever run out of the new joineries but hey!

[halcyon thicket]

I could only get a couple in p10 and i used em all 😭

[full hearth]

rip

[dark pulsar]

Hi guys how can I free space item? Because I have to take a sword from benchcraft but tells me insufficient space

[finite stone]

You can either sell it to a vendor, or purchase a slot from Zenith

[prisma echo]

So I got Oscelda pact to rank 30. I see a Wyld Oscelda pact. Should I swap to that to rank it up and is it true the Wyld version has up to rank 60 instead of 30?

[finite stone]

You should max Wyld Oscelda to 30 for two reasons:

• It gives mastery, like any other pact
• It gives you the remaining 30 points in the oscelda skilltree, which you've completed half of so far

[prisma echo]

So Wyld appears each time you get the normal version to rank 30?

[finite stone]

No, Wyld is a separate item purchased in the founders pack. It appears whenever you buy it

[dark pulsar]

thank you

[crude ermine]

how much courage do ya'll recommend for orengall?

[prisma echo]

That makes sense. Thanks. If I would have chosen Wyld Oscelda from the start it would just keep going to rank 60 instead of the normal to 30 and now this to 30.

[finite stone]

If I would have chosen Wyld Oscelda from the start it would just keep going to rank 60 instead of the normal to 30

Do you mean the Pact Arts? You get one Pact Art per rank, so they'd still have gone to 30 when you maxed Wyld. Then you'd have got the remaining 30 from maxing the base pact afterwards

you can max your two osceldas in any order, no difference

https://wiki.avakot.org/Wyld

The difference between a Pact and a Wyld Pact is explained on the Wyld page of the wiki, let me know if there's anything that needs to be added/clarified on it - there's really not much difference between the two though other than what's written there

[fast hatch]

How do I apply joineries?

[haughty bear]

did the boss king revive every 30min like the other bosses ??

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Reforging

[finite stone]

He is technically meant to, as DE wrote in the patchnotes when they changed all the other Agari timers to 30mins. However as shown on his wiki page he is mostly respawning after 3hrs for the majority of players

That said, there have been some reports of him spawning faster for some people? It seems a little buggy right now, but currently it seems safer to assume 3 hours

[haughty bear]

oh ok, thanks for the info

[fast hatch]

Do i have to claim the items crafted to increase bond?

[worthy sparrow]

if I got a code from another person, am I invite my friend?

[halcyon thicket]

One code per person

[finite stone]

Does anyone know if crafting the Cardinal birds at Tuvalkane increases her bond?

Weapons, Armour and Accessories all do, so I'm assuming the birds will as well. But they're the only exception (and a weird one as they're live animals lmao) so it'd be cool to confirm it

[full hearth]

Hmm

Would need someone without max bond to test it out

[twilit lance]

Totally, I raised my eyebrow when I saw the birds being “forgeable”

[full hearth]

I thought birds hatched from eggs

Turns out they are forged from fragments

[twilit lance]

constructing the birds bone by bone, organ by organ, feather by feather

[fast hatch]

What’s the difference between charged attack and charged shot?

[twilit lance]

Tulvakane is really good at her job

[brittle nacelle]

all from metal so they are sturdy

[finite stone]

Probably depends what context / what text you're looking at?

In general charged attack tends to refer to the charged heavy melee attacks performed with MMB

Charged shot usually means a charged single shot with your bow, performed by holding LMB

[full hearth]

Shots refer to bows

[finite stone]

a lot of stuff in the game can be charged too - arrow hail, some of sirin's abilities, etc. but it's likely those

[full hearth]

Hmm.. Is Arrow Hail considered a shot?

For totems etc

Or is it just Arrow Hail

[finite stone]

It's a good question tbf, I assume it's just arrow hail but I guess the only way to know would be testing

[novel fable]

quick question! I have extremely bad motion sickness and when I turn off motion blur in most games it fixes this issue. But for some reason this game is still shaking when I run

[finite stone]

camera shake is a separate thing to motion blur - I'm not sure if it can yet be configured

[novel fable]

yeah I normally check for that too. would be great to have it added for weirdos like me

I cant play it yet, but I played the beginning and its pretty sick!

[finite stone]

I just checked the Accessibility settings, I think it already is? Have you tried toggling this one

[novel fable]

HOLY

TESTING

brother! thank you

[finite stone]

I just checked and yeah, it does!

[novel fable]

missed it

[finite stone]

hahaa you're very welcome. Enjoy the smoothness, Envoy

[novel fable]

literally made me sigh with the most relief ever. thanks again! was unplayable for me and I was so pumped to play

[uncut quest]

Is juniper the best bow at the moment ?

[crystal garden]

nope

Starling is but if u want to use it for smite fishing and base ur dmg on torrent rune then maestro is rly good. But overal in dmg the difference are couple %.. not big deal

[brittle nacelle]

starlink is but until they add a way to get it without founders yes

[elder roost]

Morning i need help

[brittle nacelle]

tho it's only due to smite chance

[elder roost]

I did founders pack why is it saying i dont have invintation for preludes?

An i still not play though i paid?

[brittle nacelle]

on the website or in game?

[elder roost]

On the website…

[brittle nacelle]

on the website it's a known glitch just ignore it

[fast hatch]

Ahh, the wiki says that arrow hail, charged shot, and charged attack are 3 different things?

[elder roost]

Ah

[elder roost]

Ty

[finite stone]

which page? And they are yeah, if you assume charged shot to specifically be a single shot and not a hail, and you assume charged attack to refer to melee or magick

[fast hatch]

Individual pages for bows

It’s on a single bow page though?

[finite stone]

Hmm it's not me who set those up so idk how the damage numbers have been input for bows, you may need to ask in the wiki discord

In general bows do use the term charged attack on their UI, which I personally assume means 'charged single shot damage'

[fast hatch]

Yeah I figured that too

[brittle nacelle]

they refer to heavy attacks and charged in the bows section of the wiki for me

[fast hatch]

Does the attunement cap restrict the amount of virtue points a weapon can benefit from or the amount of extra damage a weapon can get from virtue?

[brittle nacelle]

I am not sure I see the difference

[fast hatch]

It’s a question about the wording of attunement cap, so if a weapon has a cap of 6, but benefits 2 damage from each virtue point, can it benefit from 6 virtue (12 damage) or 3 virtue (6 damage) at most?

[finite stone]

attunement cap is about the virtue points themselves, so a cap of 6 would mean it benefits from 6 points

[fast hatch]

Ah so in this case 12 damage?

ty! Also I forgot you can charge arrow hail

Does that increase damage and aoe or just aoe?

And does + aoe mean less concentrated effect?

Or do the arrows scale so the density is the same?

[finite stone]

Great question, I'd love to know the exact effect of charging an arrow hail if someone knows! We don't have it on the wiki yet 🏹

[elder roost]

Whats everyone favorite “frame” so far? I dont know the terminology yet so excuse me if speak warframe speech for a bit.

[fast hatch]

Also what’s the wiki discord?

[finite stone]

They're called Pacts 😄 and mine's Garren, I love the combo of behest + torment - and stampede is a great opener against a squad

[fast hatch]

Also why the heck is armor a flat reduction?

[elder roost]

Pacts?

Interesting

[fast hatch]

Can’t u just finisher the entire group if you behest?

[finite stone]

I won't link it because I think it would break rule uhh 4 maybe? But strictly mentioning this for purposes of wiki discussion - you can access it via the sidebar on any wiki page

[finite stone]

Yep if you're fast enough! It's awesome

[finite stone]

Yup, https://wiki.avakot.org/Pacts if you want to learn more about them

[finite stone]

Enemy armour right? Yeah dw a lot of people have given feedback on this in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345 I think

[fast hatch]

Don’t you have like 15 seconds lmao?

In like the totem system but bruh I miss warframe modding freedom

[finite stone]

Not sure if the wiki's yet got the data for P12, but in P11, yes it was 15 seconds base + 0.5 x Spirit

So if there's a group of 10+ enemies in a siege for example, you likely won't finisher your way through all of them in a single behest lol

[fast hatch]

Most of the stats on abilities don’t scale much

[fast hatch]

And you likely won’t even kill em right? Finishers don’t scale up in any way we know right?

I said right twice oopsie 😭

[finite stone]

I dunno how finishers scale, I assume it's some multiplier of your weapon's base damage 🤷‍♂️

[lament seal]

You know what they say, two rights make a wrong

[fast hatch]

See I wanna test this stuff but runes just WILL NOT DROP 🤣

[civic heath]

God I hope DE changes virtue system and goes for a skill tree system instead

[fast hatch]

Hell yes

[finite stone]

They are reworking virtues this year

[lament seal]

Virtue rework is in the works

[smoky crater]

well virtues are already getting reworked

[fast hatch]

And why the heck do wild frames get 30 extra virtue points?

[smoky crater]

because they can 👀

[fast hatch]

And is there a mod system rework happening?

[smoky crater]

that we don't know

but ye wylds share the pact upgrade points and tree with the regular version

[fast hatch]

So you just get more points?

[lament seal]

Since it's pre alpha live service my gut feeling is that everything's likely gonna get a rework eventually

[civic heath]

I know

[fast hatch]

No way to get wild versions aside from paying right?

[smoky crater]

not yet

eventually there will be

[lament seal]

They will be available freely later

[fast hatch]

Ah and we don’t have a release date or schedule?

[smoky crater]

nop

[fast hatch]

Is the wiki discord where all the data/testing stuff happens?

[civic heath]

Is DE everything they work on is SOONtm

[smoky crater]

wiki discord?

[civic heath]

And if 1 delay happens then preper for SOON prime

[finite stone]

It's where a lot of it happens, but plenty of good stuff happens in here too - I think specific threads go in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224932323721296 usually

[finite stone]

#gameplay-discussion message

[smoky crater]

wacky

[vagrant kayak]

Wacky Discord

[lament seal]

1 [DE]lay

[hexed spire]

If my friend disconnects from co-op, what's the shortcut to reset the failed to join session problem, without restarting the entire game?

[fast hatch]

How do you get orengal?

[rain spade]

#1438224932323721296 @fast hatch

[agile bane]

Hello, is there pvp in the game?

[frigid spoke]

no

[agile bane]

is it planned for the future?

[frigid spoke]

Hopefully never. PVP is ass in this type of game.

[unkempt nest]

No. They have specifically said that PvP is unlikely long term

[real mortar]

Hi, has anyone recently got any code? I am still awaiting for mine.... 😒

[abstract sentinel]

where do the screenshots with F6 go? I need to report bug

[lethal epoch]

Users>your username>Pictures

[halcyon thicket]

PC, pictures, soulframe

[abstract sentinel]

well I deleted pictures, hilarious

wrong reply

[vagrant kayak]

Oops, my bad

[vagrant kayak]

Weekly invites have been briefly on hold as DE was on holiday, they're back in the office now so invites will start back up this Wednesday presumably

[real mortar]

Oh, thank you so much... that's a relief.

[smoky crater]

huh... apparently that trap doesn't oneshot bannerets at higher levels

[celest sorrel]

are cosmetic overlays a thing yet?

[dusky hare]

where did you get this sword?

[finite stone]

Overlays for what, like your UI?

[smoky crater]

that's the Needleseye from iirc faction tales chests

[celest sorrel]

armor

[smoky crater]

transmog is a thing yes 👀

[finite stone]

Oh yeah we got https://wiki.avakot.org/Bestitching

[celest sorrel]

ty

[bold niche]

seeeing this FOV gameplay hurts my head

[smoky crater]

im at 40 yes

i like the cinematic feel it gives

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Needleseye shows all the places you can get Needleseye from

[frigid spoke]

69 is where it's at

[smoky crater]

nah way too high for me

[bold niche]

makes me dizzy, even the screen shake

[smoky crater]

i like to be up close and personal

tbf looks a bit different to how it is for me since the clip is like 28fps and im playing at 240

[celest sorrel]

have they added a more in depth character customization yet?

[smoky crater]

not yet

soon™

[spare badge]

It'll be in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1153116764633321534 when it happens.

[unkempt nest]

Tbh I prefer 110 - 120, if only lol

[frigid spoke]

Same

[unkempt nest]

One day they'll let me put my eyes on the side of my head like a chameleon so I can see my surroundings. One day.

[frigid spoke]

lol

[celest sorrel]

where do we get cloudquells now? i dont see the jug by the french lady

[normal sail]

have to craft them in her brews menu (left side of the ui)

[unkempt nest]

Marie or Verminia? DE has two French ladies now (I'm so happy)

[celest sorrel]

isnt marie in warframe?

[celest sorrel]

ahh ok ty

[unkempt nest]

Yes... ; w ;

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Cloudquell tells you how to unlock the recipe, what the recipe is, etc

[fast hatch]

Uh why do charged shots on bows ignore the attunement cap? 🤣

[lament seal]

it has to do with how the attunement cap actually works

the actual cap is how much damage can be added, which is relative to the actual damage of the attack, so different attacks have different virtue caps

the virtue cap the wiki gives is just a result of the wiki authors doing the basic math to get the maximum effective virtue points for the weapon's most basic attack

[fast hatch]

Wait what

[lament seal]

if you scroll down further into the weapon's infobox, you can see the virtue cap for each type of attack
for instance, here's the table for a rank 30 The Starling bow

[fast hatch]

So charged shot has a cap or 76 huh

[lament seal]

more details can be seen on the wiki here: https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons#Attunement

[charred glen]

is there a way to delete loadouts once they have been made? ive tried everything i could think of

[fast hatch]

I got 251?

[smoky crater]

you can change them not delete them

[lament seal]

Hmm?

[finite stone]

Great question, I don't think there is! You just gotta overwrite them

[fast hatch]

Why’s it 250? It doesn’t specify base damage at lvl 0

[fast hatch]

On this

[charred glen]

damn ok thanks! def something id look for in the future

[lament seal]

I don't understand the question, but the infobox for any weapon page on the wiki has all sorts of stats you can look at

including what damage is done at rank 0 and at rank 30 of the weapon

[maiden raft]

Railjack when?

[fast hatch]

Right yeah (76*1.5) + 137 = 251 no?

[maiden raft]

Could turn the game into Spelljammer.

[finite stone]

Not just yet, but ships are planned for further down the line yeah

I'd imagine more like 2027/8 though

[maiden raft]

The only Spelljammer video game in existance is practically ancient now.

[unkempt nest]

Yoo for real? I knew we'd get into the floating towers eventually but we're gonna get our own ship?

Space druid pirates, let's go!

[lament seal]

I don't know the game mechanics in-depth, presumably there's some rounding going on somewhere along the line but all I'm doing is reciting the wiki at you lol

[finite stone]

It certainly seems we are, last mention of it was from Steve in the last/second last devshorts of 2025, he mentioned a particular type of boat but I can't remember which lol

[celest sorrel]

how much longer is thawtide?

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Thawtide

[celest sorrel]

tyty

[unkempt nest]

That's awesome, it'd be really cool if it also functioned as player housing

[vagrant kayak]

Lowered to 30 minutes

[finite stone]

Exception is Mendiking, who's still at 3hrs

[unkempt nest]

Except Mendi and sieges, yeah they got you covered lol

[finite stone]

Thawtide

[vagrant kayak]

Yeah Thawtide, specifically this one https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1450925896126038157

[celest sorrel]

am i crazy or is all the armor in this game kind of ugly? like so much of it is just 1 aspect away from being nice that just gets ruined

[smoky crater]

i don't have issues with them 👀

sure DE's artstyle is not for everyone that's been known for years but ye

[finite stone]

DE intentionally design at least one 'goofiness element' into every outfit they make - the only exception being the Mendicant King outfit

I personally love this, it's very whimsical and keeps every outfit feeling unique and there's always something to look at, or think about, etc

However, your mileage will of course vary and it's not to everyone's tastes lol. But it's way up my alley

[celest sorrel]

thats fair

[lament seal]

With a rank 30 The Starling and no ranks in Rife Nocked:
Uncharged arrow hail resulted in 20 arrows, 48 damage each (with the stats I had)
Fully-charged arrow hail resulted in 20 arrows, 48 damage each

All that charging effects is how large the AoE is.

Each rank in Rife Nocked gave me 5 more arrows for a maximum of 35 arrows, unaffected by how much arrow hail was charged

I don't have any other bows to test with, I doubt this mechanic would change per bow though

[finite stone]

That is absolutely awesome, thanks so much for testing this! 😄

[lament seal]

I had heard from a youtuber that it worked like this but figured I should test it myself before forwarding that info

[smoky crater]

good thinkin

[lament seal]

@fast hatch here's the results of me testing the effects of charging arrow hail since you asked about it

[finite stone]

I've added it to the Bows page on the wiki, thanks again 🏹 honestly that's kind of more OP than I thought - so for a tightly-knit group, you don't even need to charge your hail at all lmao

[lament seal]

for sure, it's very useful for smite proccing and slowing bosses if you leave it uncharged

charging is still useful for larger groups that move around a bunch at least

[fast hatch]

Hell yeah so smaller aoe will just group it more?

[lament seal]

especially with Rife Nocked

[lament seal]

yep

higher charge, less density

[unkempt nest]

Makes a lot of sense, hail of arrows uncharged plus max torrent and I noticed the smaller area seemed to have denser groupings thanks for testing!

[lament seal]

I don't know about if charging affects guarding enemies

since the game re-uses the flashing effect that heavy attacks use lol

[unkempt nest]

I think it does interact with blocking enemies but I'd have to boot up and test to be sure

[maiden raft]

Do the stats cap at 30?

[lament seal]

I had to restart my game since menus lag the longer my game is up and resetting ranks to test this was testing my patience more lol

[smoky crater]

nop

[maiden raft]

Huh.

[vagrant kayak]

Your mileage may vary based on personal preference but I find that mixing and matching the pieces can get you some pretty nice results

[lucid topaz]

Orengal's claws just need a tiny trim

Like 4"

[lament seal]

game's up again, gonna find an enemy to stab with a morbillion arrows

[fast hatch]

Does anyone know if we have a listing on armor amounts for enemies?

[unkempt nest]

I'm using same top, dendria ladies leggings for the jewel encrusted belt bling and then osceldia wyld head I think? Fashion is the true endgame

[lament seal]

@finite stone tested if charging arrow hail affects blocking enemies, and no matter how charged up it is, enemies can block arrow hail

[unkempt nest]

That's kind of insane, thanks for testing!

[lament seal]

the arrows do good stagger though so it's not that bad to do regardless tbh

[finite stone]

I don't think they're known yet - theoretically you could maybe attack a barrel or mockery (I don't think mockeries have armour) to test that the base number is what you expect, then test that on an armoured enemy to calculate their armour? But idk if anyone's tried or begun to note them all down

[unkempt nest]

Would you say the stagger is faster for guarding enemies with charged or is the tighter groupings from a quick rain of arrows faster?

[lament seal]

it'd be a huge undertaking since armor is on the chopping block for being reworked

[finite stone]

awesome ty, so yeah it's literally just an AoE difference huh!

[regal forum]

can i ask how can i play beacuse im stuck at starting screen and it want from me mail and pasword and i I did it but it stil doesn't work can some one help me please?

[smoky crater]

check the top pinned message for info

[regal forum]

ok thanks

[lament seal]

it would be faster just due to the arrows being more concentrated and coming out faster, the stagger per arrow seemed the same regardless of charging but it comes out fast enough that it's hard to get an accurate read on if it does a different amount of stagger when charged

[unkempt nest]

Cheers make sense, I appreciate it!

It'd be interesting if the charged shot had a higher stagger but I'm not sure what that would look like balance wise

[fast hatch]

Arrow hail has such a massive stagger it’s insane lol

And the bow hail rune just causes each arrow from hail to trigger the rune

[ornate hatch]

How do i get the thawtide fragments , i keep doing the feeders but nothing drops..

[bronze summit]

what the maximum seeds you can have?

[ornate hatch]

how so

[smoky crater]

wevetseeds? don't think it's capped

[visual heron]

The armor and weapons are dropped by the three sinecure that are always near one of the squawkers.

[lucid topaz]

Arrow hail + slow rune just removes the stags ability to even compilate movement. Seems to get animation stuck.

[fast hatch]

Lol

[ornate hatch]

yeah i was hoping but it's , and i'm not exaggerating , the 14th seeder and still nothing

[lament seal]

yeah it seems like you can manage 100% slow on big enough enemies, it's very funny

Rife Nocked is really good just for that and smite proccing

[fast hatch]

Do armor strip and slow effects stack?

[visual heron]

Have they leveled up at all?

[ornate hatch]

yes

[lucid topaz]

I run the -armor on smite pull totem on my bow

[ornate hatch]

lvl 45 rn

[lament seal]

not sure about armor strip, but slow for sure can stack

[visual heron]

If you have Sirin pact with the particular arts, you can sneak up on them and they will drop extra loot. It's been my experience that you can almost always sneak behind all three of them without alerting the others.

[ornate hatch]

sadly i don't :(

took the boring mage one

[lucid topaz]

How dare you say that in front of my army of birds

[visual heron]

Oscelda is a lot of fun, but in terms of loot tables especially ones like this, Sirin is just better.

[ornate hatch]

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 aah attack

i'm sorry with the fighter one i can group them up and blast them all in 1 click :p

[visual heron]

I take it you haven't gotten a lot of stuff in the game yet?

[ornate hatch]

around 3 arms , 6 weapons and finished the quest yesterday

leveling up the plant bugs rn

[lucid topaz]

Bestone + high damage wep insta kills a lot of stuff.

I hit for like 5k throwing my Ganthan at my bestone targets

[lament seal]

imagine having gath, couldn't be me

[visual heron]

If you can get Sirin quickly, I'd recommend it for this. Although the event is lasting until the end of this month so you still have time.

[buoyant horizon]

work on agari or nah?

[lucid topaz]

Yep

[buoyant horizon]

oooo intriguing

[ornate hatch]

where can i get it ? if i may ask

[lucid topaz]

Bestone stones most things I've tried it on

[slim flax]

How do I do this

[buoyant horizon]

I'm more curious about the damage with throwing gath tbh - Would one shot agari with that kinda damage

[lucid topaz]

I am so sorry lmao Im glad i got it before the drop changes.

[buoyant horizon]

The banneret you kill drops a bag with the item you need

[slim flax]

There is no banneret left

[lament seal]

nah I have it too, I love it

[ornate hatch]

there sould be a bag around where he died then

[buoyant horizon]

if you killed one, look around on the floor

will give a thunderstone

[slim flax]

nothing there

[visual heron]

You should be able to get the fragment from your faction's store for standing, or you can buy it with premium currency from the camel.

[fast hatch]

Do we know rune drop chances?

[onyx fable]

Anyone else having issues entering the game? Is it on maintenance?

[visual heron]

Not chances, only sources.

[onyx fable]

Nvm, was just me 😐

[dull kestrel]

I am unable to log in - my account says Preludes access enabled but when I log it it says failed. check your info. Plz help!

[visual heron]

You can reset your password if you need.

[dull kestrel]

I did that to ensure i was typing it correctly and same thing every time

[verbal herald]

Is there anything we can do with extra duplicates of fragments? Specifically armor since that doesn't seem to be craftable more than once

[full hearth]

You can keep hoarding them, that's about it.

No selling, no nothing.

[verbal herald]

Hopefully they'll let us trade/give away or something later, I have almost an entire extra set for thawtide stuff

[lucid topaz]

You used to need them for reforges but not anymore

If they ever do I'm giving away Gath & Tine fragments to fellow Acotyles of Rood in need

[lament seal]

ah my favorite system, making reforging as expensive as possible but flooding you with Rusted joineries

[full hearth]

Rusted is pretty good, could do worse.

[lament seal]

fair, Blessed by Saphene is clearly the worst /j

[full hearth]

Or the og joineries

😂

[bronze summit]

what does blessed joinary does?

[lucid topaz]

Looking forward to the virtue rework making Grace busted to overcompensate for it being a dump-stat for an entire year

[lament seal]

it changes the weapon's Attunement to the specified virtue

[full hearth]

Statistically identical to a Polished - But Blessed lets you alter weapon Attunement.

[lucid topaz]

I have a lot of blessed by saph waiting for this

[lament seal]

and resets the weapon's rank to 0

[full hearth]

Cast speeds reduced across the board and Grace increases the speed

[bronze summit]

why would one want to do that? can you explain?
like does tethrin attuned bow have an advantage?

[full hearth]

[full hearth]

I mean, if you want a weapon to scale off of a specific Virtue. Usually relevant if you want to raise a specific Virtue for the sake of abilities, for example.

[verbal herald]

Is there a limit to reforging? Like can you reforge a weapon multiple times to keep upgrading it or just once?

[full hearth]

Without sacrificing points to scale a weapon you like.

[full hearth]

Applying a Joinery will always override the previous Joinery.

What tier, in what order, doesn't matter.

Do it as many time as you like (or your resources allow)

[verbal herald]

Makes sense, otherwise the starting sword could eventually be made to one tap bosses fairly easily

[wary kestrel]

hey, does sidearm weapon totem stats affect you while using your main weapon? example being, physical armor +X

[twilit lance]

Yes

In fact it’s better to have a sidearm you don’t use for the totems alone instead of dropping a sidearm entirely

Like Odiac

Or esthelle

Just for the double defense alone (if you’re using archstorm)

[verbal herald]

So a side arm is basically a stat stick/ extra armor or accessory equipment

[wary kestrel]

well i use it as a ranged weapon (flyblade)

[vagrant kayak]

Yes and no, defensive Totems like the +armor and +stability ones will apply regardless of which weapon is active, but Totems like + smite chance or effects like armor strip on Heavy Attack etc... only work on the active weapon

[dire lantern]

Is 'the torrent' rune dropping? i've got all others several times, but not a single 'torrent'

[vagrant kayak]

It drops yes, though only in Cogah

[stark totem]

Hello can someone tell me how to raise my level? my staff is only on 27 and the second weapon on 19. I myself am lvl 2. what exactly do I have to do that level also goes higher?:D thanks for info

[dire lantern]

yeah, i've been farming Gruul Seeker Ruthos in Cogah for days now

[lucid topaz]

I love the double defence on flyblades / Magick sidearms

[smoky crater]

your account level doesn't matter in that way.
it goes up as you level up unique pacts and weapons and discover histories for locations.
all each level gives is 1 additional virtue point to throw in

but as for your weapons and pacts, just keep killing things.

the higher level your weapon or pact is, the more xp it'll need for the next rankup with max level being 30

[stark totem]

Ok thank you i lvl all thinks to 30 than i switch pact and weapon ?

[smoky crater]

that is one way to do it yes.

[stark totem]

Thank you 🙂

[cold idol]

Is there a way to check which weapons you've reach max rank with? Including the ones you've sold.

[frigid spoke]

Yes / no

Look at the weapon to see if it's lvl 30 and that's max. If you sell it, you're out of luck unless you wrote it down.

Same goes for if you craft it. If you sell it, game doesn't keep track

[cold idol]

That's what I figured. Thanks.

[frigid spoke]

Hopefully that is in the works somewhere.

[fast hatch]

How did people figure out that stuff like +armor applied from offhand?

[vagrant kayak]

Testing with and without I assume

[fast hatch]

Though you still can’t see damage numbers done to you right?

[smoky crater]

not to damage done to you no

[vivid cliff]

looks like I have a couple of virtue points to assign. is Courage still the only real defensible one to put them in?

[unkempt sphinx]

Virtue cap your weapon. Then courage. If using Orengall maybe Grace

[winged scaffold]

Guys if i buy those packs on the website i can get a key to play?

[brittle nacelle]

yes buying any of the packs will give you a key as well as some extras to share with friends

[winged scaffold]

Thaanks!

[brittle nacelle]

just keep in mind none of the stuff in the packs is actually exclusive and will be available in future updates

and access can be obtained fairly quickly if you check for twitch streams so I'd recommend only buying it you want to support DE

[vivid cliff]

can you say it again in a different way? my staff and bow are supposedly both at level 30

so I just switched to greatsword, since apparently I am supposed to level all of them?

[winged scaffold]

those acess gonna to Steam in the future?

[charred glen]

dumb question, for cogah, can you just kill a boss and sit in nightfold until the respawn and kill the same boss again?

[solemn venture]

Virtue capping means assign points to the virtue of the weapon til you dont see a rise in damage anymore. Then dump the rest into courage. You may not see a stopage in damage if your mastery is low

[brittle nacelle]

the game will come to steam but at a later date, you can currently wish list the game on steam

[vivid cliff]

oic! ok tyvm I will try that

[unkempt sphinx]

Go here look up a specific weapon. See what virtue stat cap is applied to the weapon. Max that stat out to whatever the virtue cap is. Then all other points to courage. For example the Erstroot has a virtue cap of 27 Spirit. https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons

[smoky crater]

[unkempt nest]

Who hurt you? Blink twice if you're in danger

That's 180k faction rep.. Jesus

[smoky crater]

[unkempt nest]

Blink Blonk

[smoky crater]

noooo i got like 17 of them back before the increased faction shop prices

[unkempt nest]

Oh thank mercy, lol

[lament seal]

still means you got 7 with current faction prices

[halcyon thicket]

It's 3k right

[unkempt sphinx]

7.5k a pop

[unkempt nest]

Old prices, current are 7.5k a pop

[halcyon thicket]

So 52k rep

You spent all your rep and some more

Oh wagi

[smoky crater]

oh wait no i've bought i think 8 or 9 with the current prices

i've just made a cogah talisman or 2

because i've done 2 max rep trips to Deora and i think i may have bought 1 on its own

[unkempt nest]

Darn friend, grinding hard. How do you maintain the mental enjoyment?

[halcyon thicket]

Meanwhile I'm sat w max rep with kith not knowing what to spend it on

[unkempt sphinx]

Feybalt of Mora, Quicksilver of Mora. Or hold till virtue rebalancing

[smoky crater]

i'd say just throw polished instead of blessed before virtue rework

[halcyon thicket]

^

[smoky crater]

you don't really get like... massive benefits from throwing on a blessed either, and you do have to level up the weapon once more

[halcyon thicket]

There is also a chance that joineries might be removed from the game altogether

[unkempt sphinx]

He clearly can grind the weapons up

[halcyon thicket]

Also I have like 18 feybalt mora

[unkempt sphinx]

I see you are a stag enthusiast

[halcyon thicket]

Not rly tbh

[smoky crater]

like i don't use blessed ones on basically anything, nor do i try to minmax virtues in any sense and i don't have any issues doing Cogah etc. 👀

[halcyon thicket]

This was before p12

Only thing I'm low on is quicksilver mora, just 5

[unkempt sphinx]

Low? lol there’s only 5 bows to apply them to

[halcyon thicket]

And i already applied 4 kek

Feel like i should keep maestro as it is

Yeah when I say low i mean for future content

I already have everything so i anything i think of it's for two updates ahead

And with the lack of a roadmap and vague info on reworks you don't really know what youll need

So hoarding it is

[timid ridge]

is it just me, or is it that every single time I get on, the Launcher does an update?

[smoky crater]

wdym?

[timid ridge]

The last three days, I launch the game, the launcher opens, and there's another update waiting to be downloaded.

[smoky crater]

is it like a big update or?

[timid ridge]

30,000MB this time?

[smoky crater]

[normal sail]

so 30gb

[smoky crater]

did you happen to install soulframe and warframe in the same directory

[smoky crater]

30GB

[vale wolf]

Quick question. If I already unlocked all the ancestors, what do I do next? Only options I have are the little events to gain the fire king standing

[normal sail]

forgor my zero, thx wagi

[smoky crater]

lul

[timid ridge]

They're on the same SSD, but not the same location.

[normal sail]

wonder if the launcher hit you with the random "I'm going to reinstall the game autonomously" update

it is odd tho, maybe its doing a pre-launch verify but hits a flag or something, definitely worth a #1438224825113120788 post here or on the Soulforums

[smoky crater]

hmmmmm i can't really think of anything other causing that than the games being "too close" to each other sort of so i guess try throwing Soulframe to a different location? since it's the smaller one filesize wise?

[tired sail]

Soulframe should be ~12GB (a little larger if it's in C:\ with the launcher), and Warframe is 51 GB.

[brittle nacelle]

bruh I lost my weapon

[lofty dune]

Point him to death feeling better

[brittle nacelle]

noo

he's a bromius no death for my buddy

[timid ridge]

Yeah, it's weird... the game had only a minor update on my side laptop, just now, but on my full rig? Keeps re-downloading 12,000MBs(What it says)

[smoky crater]

12GB is what Soulframes file size is pretty much yeah
so the launcher just goes mad about something that causes the confusion about directories for the 2 games

[normal sail]

i wonder if Soulframe is trying to apply Warframe's old peace to itself

[verbal herald]

Only 12 gig? That's pretty amazing considering most other games of this caliber would be 30+

[tired sail]

It helps that the dungeons are procedurally generated

[halcyon thicket]

It should be that big on release

[smoky crater]

• reusing textures and models is one of DE's strengths too

[tired sail]

The overworld is also fairly simple right now, there are a lot of reused models

[abstract sentinel]

the game world is rather small atm, it's not really a surprise

[sly escarp]

Which is just good practice and we don't understand why other developers don't do this

[tired sail]

That really shows in DE's archwing missions where resource models are part of the ships

[vagrant kayak]

DE sold their collective souls to a demon in exchange for insane optimization (the demon is called Dmitri)

[smoky crater]

yeee

[sly escarp]

Eyyy, love to see a Dmitri shout out

He deserves to be appreciated

[tired sail]

There's also the opticor jetpacks

[sly escarp]

Most of the Prime Items also just use atomized filigree as part of them

So they keep reusing the same little gold decoration bits in various places

[abstract sentinel]

archwings missions being regular missions but the players made super tiny, thus "super big maps" was a funny find

[elder roost]

So how many pacts are there i was looking and i dont see “Garren” mentioned

[smoky crater]

8 + the 3 Wyld pacts from the founder packs

[elder roost]

Oh snap. This is also confusing to me cause… you have weapon types right? So i could use like a mage stick with the “bow themed” char? Pact?

[sly escarp]

There isn't really a "bow themed" pact

[smoky crater]

correct. pacts and weapons aren't tied to each other

[smoky crater]

well Sirin sorta is ._.

[sly escarp]

There's a pact that uses bows in some of its animations

But none of its abilities apply to bows specifically or anything

[elder roost]

What's that blue one with the bow then? 😆

So wild.

[sly escarp]

It uses the bow for animations, but none of the abilities are bow specific

[elder roost]

So weird

[sly escarp]

Actually one of the better builds with it uses short blades

[halcyon thicket]

Sirin is a starter pact that has a bow with it as a weapon

Thistle

[vagrant kayak]

I'd say Sirin is bow themed but not bow specific

[elder roost]

Yea. The blue one right?

[halcyon thicket]

But it's not linked to it

[smoky crater]

ye

[elder roost]

I see..

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[sly escarp]

Fair enough

[halcyon thicket]

Cause u can mix and match

[sly escarp]

Anyways yeah you can use any weapon with Sirin

[elder roost]

Is it like warfram where im gonna need to k Evelyn them all up to max out on like a mastery?

[lucid topaz]

Mainhand dagger to use with sirin now

Sneakthief

[sly escarp]

Yep, each pact and weapon levelled contributes to your envoy rank, though the majority comes from discovering location names

[elder roost]

Oh wow

[smoky crater]

mastery system does exist here aswell yes. you get 1 extra virtue point per account level

[fast hatch]

Wait majority of envoy rank is from location names?

[halcyon thicket]

Maybe like one level

Majority is pacts and weapons

[onyx fable]

Finally lvl up all Longswords, they add up to a max of 50 points and you get the full skill tree plus 18 extra points you can’t use. Why can’t we have more weapons instead of a gazillion longswords and short blades? 😢

[ebon wraith]

gazzilion of weapons that are just copy paste with worse stats that is 🙂

1 good and 10 copy pasted with bad stats

[onyx fable]

I believe they will fix that eventually, if they were able to make most Warframe weapons feel somewhat unique they should be able to do it here

[tired sail]

Before blessed joineries different weapons had a place

Now that courage is all that matters with blessed joineries, there's only one best weapon per class

[ebon wraith]

i mean Warframe is quite different in that aspect as many frames can be build as weapon platform to compensate for wqeapons bad performance

here weapons play a very big role

i have like 6 short blades to level left and its a chore...

[timid ridge]

I'm still a bit upset that higher tier weapons don't use Scrap Steel, but Scrap BRASS, which we can't ever seem to collect enough of as-is.

[tired sail]

The gimmick weapons are also pretty fun to play with as long as they weren't nerfed to compensate for the gimmick. Perigale is still unusable as a client because it doesn't register headshots correctly to proc the passive.

[ebon wraith]

endless bugs out with level 1 enemies or full party crashes and you lose all exp gained which sux while T3 NE spam is very slow exp wise

[onyx fable]

They will eventually add status chance, more effects and passives. The game is still unfinished and raw so I don’t really go after them for the arsenal

Still better than concord

[fallow arch]

I assume there will one day be a dump stat thing to put excess points in

[ebon wraith]

true they will add more stuff(playing WF for 13 years) i just hope for less fodder weapons and more of unique style ones

[tired sail]

I thought there was something about wanting to rework that, unless I'm misremembering

[ebon wraith]

I.E pyrana prime in WF which they started but never continued with that system

[onyx fable]

What we need is a Limbo Pact

Imagine!

[ebon wraith]

we need a CLEM pact

or at least a costume

dual odiac with attack speed boost haha

[onyx fable]

Riven totems, Rune incarnons

[ebon wraith]

oh god no rivens and no liches...

if SF gets something like mindless murmur grind im out

[timid ridge]

I'm wondering if we'll be able to max out some of the Pacts, just full Point-fill everything, so it feels... Complete. Because with Founders' Wyld Pacts, akin to Primes if you will, should be able to give enough points, no?

[ebon wraith]

even with wyld you cant get all points

still missing a few iirc

[onyx fable]

Helminth Pacts and Archon avakots

[timid ridge]

Yeah... 78 points for full Oscelda/Sirin/Tethren.

[nova summit]

Honestly I could see liches working in soulframe better than in wf since random encounters against nemesis feel less artificial in an open world than in mission instances

[ebon wraith]

yeah not enough

[fallow arch]

why no last stand

[onyx fable]

If it was something like the Mordor LotR games I’m down af

[ebon wraith]

because im rarely on low life

[prisma ravine]

What does the symbol mean? Do I own that recipe already?

[onyx fable]

Means fragment

[nova summit]

We should start shaming people who put levels into grace. That's the ds1 dex of soulframe. Idgaf if you need to put a single point into it to unlock everbound, it's still dex

[onyx fable]

You know if you have the full recipe when you visit the edgy blacksmith

[prisma ravine]

I ranked up with fire king and can't go anywhere 😄 Need to choose something :/

[ebon wraith]

hopefully they rework it

[onyx fable]

Doesn’t grace give you ability range?

Or something like that

[nova summit]

See, dex wimp stuff
(Yes)

In this household we only level up courage!!! Long live Fenn Jotar

[ebon wraith]

i was trying weird hybrid builds with many pacts including my teth...cant wait for virtue rework

maybe they will add arts tree for abilities instead

[nova summit]

Courage.
Only.
Fellust needs MORE

[ebon wraith]

so you can pick str/dur/range etc

[onyx fable]

Spirit also gives you faster cooldowns I think

[ebon wraith]

i think its just duration

[onyx fable]

I always go for the Akin perk and a decent amount of spirit and I can use skills with very little cooldowns in the base game

[ebon wraith]

akin is a must for all pacts

[sly escarp]

Isn't it the inverse?

[ebon wraith]

and spirit is meh

[sly escarp]

like 10 of the levels are loaction names?

[halcyon thicket]

I doubt it, but i could be wrong

[ebon wraith]

nah map locations dont give 10 levels lol

[onyx fable]

10 levels of what? Mastery Rank? Absolutely not

You get like maybe 1

[ebon wraith]

i got all map locations and if it was 10 levels i'd be over 20

[sly escarp]

Can't find a source that shows the split

Could be wrong on how the numbers work out for sure

But though the Location Names gave a significant amount overall

[ebon wraith]

total you might get 1 level

mainly its weapons/pacts

[crystal garden]

fun fact, on tethren u dont benefit of single point in grace/spirit.

[ebon wraith]

im using the points for weapons to not use blessed joineries and re-level them

[sly escarp]

Avakot wiki just says "Gathering History Motes will give a significant amount of Mastery.", and for weapons says "Weapons provide a small amount of Mastery per Rank, up to Rank 30." No numbers/approximate comparison

[ebon wraith]

because as again leveling some weapons is just too painful

[onyx fable]

One thing is what he says, another is how it works

[nova summit]

Pretty sure this is right, was level 13 with only one pact and like 3 primaries maxed but all motes collected

Levels have an exponential increase so if I grabbed them now it would only be like a level

[sly escarp]

This is apparently about one pact worth, so if we multiply by 8/11 for Wyld that's probably at least 2-3 levels.

Leaving the weapons as the big unknown

[onyx fable]

Rank 12 is kinda like a cutoff, after that, ranking up becomes exponentially more time consuming

[sly escarp]

There's also the factor that the lwoer your envoy rank, the less is needed to rank up

Which could be messing with impressions as well.

[ebon wraith]

im low 16 and i did all locations at 15

[finite stone]

The wiki's not a 'he', just a general source of the community's knowledge at the time of reading. It's open to any Envoy to edit, using the edit button in the top-right - so please share if you have any knowledge!

[solemn venture]

Im not crazy right? Faction pacts cannot drop from faction tales correct?

[halcyon thicket]

No

[solemn venture]

Some weirdo in my party is trying to say they can lmao

[sly escarp]

Personally got most of the location names in p9, and jumped to around 10 while only having 1 pact and a couple weapons levelled. It's possible the lower ranks are just such small gaps in between levels that either levelling or discovering names can get you to around 10 alone.

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[onyx fable]

Mb, didn’t read properly, thought we was talking about the NPC

[finite stone]

oh hahahhaa yes I can see that causing confusion 😂

[valid birch]

Pacts can be a PART of bounties with the Avakot vendor, but that is about it.

and you still have to buy them

[sly escarp]

Even then he only sells fragments of the Quest pacts you already earned

[valid birch]

I dont think that is the case, he had Rood and Bromius before I earned them

[sly escarp]

The only way to get the other Starting Pacts and Ode Tempest/Mora's Hand is to buy from the Faction Shop

[sly escarp]

Pre completing the quest, or pre crafting them?

[onyx fable]

Weird, I didn’t had access to them before I finished the respective quest

[sly escarp]

He unlocks em once the quest is done

Not once crafted

[valid birch]

before completing the bromius quest for seeds

[sly escarp]

Well, that's odd

Might be a bug then?

[solemn venture]

Ode tempest is what he is saying he is farming for the drop. Not the faction xp.

[sly escarp]

Yeah, that's not how that works to our knowledge

[valid birch]

Would having an old preludes account have anything to do with it?

[solemn venture]

Yea thats what I thought just wanted to make sure

[onyx fable]

Sometimes when you travel to another players worlds you can access some of their stuff, maybe it was something like that

[finite stone]

Yup can confirm same as Naito, never seen a Tempest or Mora's Hand from a tale drop

[valid birch]

Yeah I have never seen those. ONly from the faction standing exchange

[sly escarp]

That's very possible, doing multiplayer might have tripped a flag by mistake as a bug

[nova summit]

DE made the game so realistic that our homeschooled medieval boy doesn't even know what numbers are and that's why they are nowhere to be found in the UI, so immersive!

[valid birch]

Believable. I heard some folks can get seeds for fast travel if their host has it and they dont.

[halcyon thicket]

I could have sworn I saw someone report that already

Am i crazy

[onyx fable]

Yes

[halcyon thicket]

To which statement

[valid birch]

That is where I saw it as well

[halcyon thicket]

Ah ok so someone did

Alr good

[onyx fable]

And it has happened to me several times, where you join someone’s world to play cogha and then leave as soon as cogha is initiated and become able to die and stay in that mode

Bugs everywhere

[halcyon thicket]

Yeah the devs know about that one

[onyx fable]

Really useful if you’re farming for cogha items

[oblique crow]

how do I upgrade the last 3 nodes?
I have both Tethren and Wyld Tethren level 30

[final rock]

you don't

[oblique crow]

ah

we can't fully max it?

[sly escarp]

You have to choose

[onyx fable]

I never put points in the lower section of the skill trees

Unless extra

[sly escarp]

But Sympathy is so good!

[oblique crow]

I did that because they were low cost. Nvm I will reset then

[final rock]

Sympathy is real strong depending on the pact

[onyx fable]

What it do?

[final rock]

heal on smite pull

[sly escarp]

Heal on smite pull

[oblique crow]

tho what are empty frames?
*Empty frames are weakened

[sly escarp]

And a heal over time, so it can actually heal damage taken after you smite pull too

[sly escarp]

Means extra damage on smited enemies

[oblique crow]

ahh

[onyx fable]

Ah, why heal when I don’t get hit

[oblique crow]

okay

[finite stone]

it just means 'a body without soul', it's flavour text

[oblique crow]

defence against stagger just means half leveled up primed sure footed?

[oblique crow]

ty

[sly escarp]

It increases your Stagger Meter

When your stagger meter is maxed, you get knocked down

Hits that do a lot of stagger can also knock you out of attack animations

Some attack knockdowns bypass the Stagger meter though

[onyx fable]

Everyone knows Prime Sure Footed is overrated

[sly escarp]

Like the shield deerhead ground slam

[oblique crow]

okay. Hm alright. I will see what skils I will choose

[onyx fable]

Can’t wait for them to add Railjack to soulframe

[oblique crow]

tho if I use courage weapons. Does upgrading spirit and grace even do something?

[sly escarp]

Spirit is Ability Duration, Grace is Ability Range

Courage is Ability Strength

[oblique crow]

its great if you use aoe weapons that would knock you down in tide tilesets

[sly escarp]

Won't help your weapons but might help some abilities

[finite stone]

Not for your weapon, but yes for your pact

[oblique crow]

o_o I started yesterday. Ty for the information

[clever star]

Said that way I like to picture literal railjack in Soulframe, no adapted version or something else, just like "Ah, yeah, the railjacks have reached Alca, good luck"

[oblique crow]

and those 2 courage symbols on weapons. Does this say how they scale with courage? I'm confused

[oblique crow]

I see

[finite stone]

Yep, you're looking at the weapon's https://wiki.avakot.org/attunement

[onyx fable]

Could be a big ship, like AC black flag type game

[clever star]

Yeah, there is a thread in feedback-tracking about that in fact! Some of us were asking for it, pitching ideas, and apparently there is word from the devs that large ships will be a thing in the future so nice! But I found it funny to picture the silly image of Warframes coming in a railjack and wrecking things XD

[oblique crow]

so if I got 27 courage with a 2 attunement its +40.5 damage?

[finite stone]

I think that's right yeah! I've not tested the numbers myself as it wasn't me who put that part together but it was someone very clever so I think these are correct 😄

[hallow relic]

How to level up Vermina....she is stuck at halfway through the first level...do i need something?

[oblique crow]

oh another question. Loadouts.
If I swap loadouts the virtues don't save. I have to adjust it whenever I swap. Is that a bug or just not implemented yet?

[finite stone]

Verminia's bonding is explained on https://wiki.avakot.org/Verminia, you've just got to craft and claim new unique things from her

[finite stone]

Loadouts are for gear and don't yet affect virtues sadly, so you do have to manually adjust

[oblique crow]

ah okk

just wondering

[finite stone]

My assumption is that when the upcoming virtue rework happens, it will either rehaul loadouts to include virtues, or virtues may become something less adjustable, we'll see though

[oblique crow]

also. Is crafting weak armor pieces even worth it if you have a stronger one already?
They don't give mastery xp

[finite stone]

it is worth it to bond with Tuvalkane yes, and also to build your collection if you want the fashion

[onyx fable]

I think I heard something about virtues becoming automatically arranged depending on the pact, in my opinion that would rob player expression but I’ll wait and see

[oblique crow]

bond with who?

[hallow relic]

Thanks i lost the wiki page so yeah appreciate that 🙂

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Tuvalkane

[oblique crow]

I don't remember all names in soulframe yet

ahh. Crafting levels up the bond with her? huh

[onyx fable]

To a current max of 3 I believe

[fast hatch]

Apparently only when you claim the items though

[oblique crow]

The explanation for new players in Soulframe reminds me to another game ending with frame😭 😂

[worthy star]

in the sproutling area and I still hear the growling even though I already cleared the Waste Bear

oversight or is there still another monster in the area?

[oblique crow]

oh bruh. I'm at 3 already. Tho if I craft more does it track the xp? For future updates?

Reforging.
Its basically an upgrade to your weapon right?
reforging it with +X dmg? etc?

[onyx fable]

I think it’s pretty funny how there is a boss called Kabocha and in my home country the farmers and people from the outskirts use that word to refer to female genitalia and pumpkins

[finite stone]

Kind of, you can see what all the different joineries do on https://wiki.avakot.org/Joineries

there's more than just bonus damage, and also blessed ones will let you change the attuned virtue

[oblique crow]

basically forma

[finite stone]

kinda, I think of them as a mix of both potatoes and forma with their own soulframe flavour

potatoes because they're a straight up stat upgrade, and can be applied as soon as you get a weapon (with the exception of blessed)

and then forma because blessed ones will reset the rank to 0 in return for a change that may help you get more power

[onyx fable]

Potatoes would be more like runes since they increase the mod capacity

They’re like focus lenses with stats

I like how the soulframe systems are similar in some aspects while also being fresh and original

[oblique crow]

where do I farm runes beside that one boss in the swap area?

[verbal herald]

The siege in bottom left of map drops them for me

[onyx fable]

Some drop from bosses and some from sieges

They each have a dedicated drop activity

[finite stone]

Depends which rune you want? If you look on https://wiki.avakot.org/Runes there is a whole table that just tells you where they're all found

[oblique crow]

ah okk

[oblique crow]

tyyy

and bosses reset every 12h I read somewhere?

[finite stone]

nope, agari reset every 30mins with the exception of Mendicant King who is 3hrs. Sieges reset every 3hrs, and Nimrod (via collector) resets every 6hrs

I have no idea where they would have got 12hrs from, other than that being the reset timer for the Wevetseed used in fast travel

[oblique crow]

ahh okay

fast travel whut?

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Fast_Travel

[oblique crow]

oh lol

[onyx fable]

Has limited uses, it’s better if you ask people to inv you to their games if they are near where you want to be

[oblique crow]

yeah

[onyx fable]

There is always one or two players willing to taxi you

[oblique crow]

Arcanic powers are my 3 abilities? just for clarification

[fast hatch]

Yep

[oblique crow]

it feels great to be a newbie. MR30 in warframe and a little newbie in soulframe

[fast hatch]

Trust me my hands hurt from grinding 🤣

[oblique crow]

haha

[normal hare]

Hi new player here, im curios about something , i got the Wyld Oscelda founders pack after going into my tent is it ok to change to the better gear that comes with the pack right away? dont want to be one shotting everything from start

[oblique crow]

it feels very long to rank up a weapon in soulframe. And waiting for an arena invite. Idk

[oblique crow]

I changed my gear to the founder gear. It didn't make everything easy. You kill level 1-10 very easy but 15+ it felt normal. You just don't have the early issue to have every enemy with a grey X on their hp bar

imo its fine

[lament seal]

The wyld gear is definitely stronger than your starter gear, but not by an overwhelming amount

[tired sail]

Also the majority of your damage comes from ranking the gear up and spending points into matching the gear's attunement. It is artificial, but you can always take points out of the matching attunement if you feel like you're doing too much damage.

That being said, weapons of the same class roughly do the same amount of damage on their own.

[normal hare]

Oh ok cool i guess ill use mine too then thanks

[idle owl]

How different are primary daggers than off hand ones

[tired sail]

Most primary daggers are dual wielded, only the Thawtide primary dagger is single handed.

All secondary are single handed, so there is a difference in animations.

[oblique crow]

Little question about Tethren. Spirit increases ability duration. How does it affect the 1st ability?
2nd ig but how does it affect the 1st and 3rd?

[lament seal]

Spirit doesn't affect any of Tethren's abilities according to the wiki

[turbid ridge]

Anyone who finished alca's faction able to tell me how many will-o-fronds I'll need for the dye?

Wiki/AI all incorrect

[tired sail]

I thought it was changed to 25

[turbid ridge]

I have 26 and was hoping it's not 30 haha

Thanks, I'll know soon enough once I finish rose

[lament seal]

Which wiki are you using?

[oblique crow]

ah

[tired sail]

It used to be 50

[oblique crow]

not even the 2nd? thought its a buff

[lament seal]

some abilities just opt out of virtue scaling for whatever reason

[somber rain]

Is there a prerequisite for Etheldread to spawn? Little stinker won't show up in the sinkhole

[tired sail]

Every 30 min since last kill.

[somber rain]

I haven't killed it yet

it literally hasn't spawned once

[novel fable]

yo where do you start shewolf snared quest? is the red baloon always in thesame spot?

[oblique crow]

so spending any virtues on spirit is just useless? okk

[lament seal]

if you have a Spirit-scaling weapon, then it's useful

[oblique crow]

ah yeah

[smoky crater]

Around northwestern area right above the starting area

[tired sail]

It does seem to affect those abilities but the difference is so minor that it is a waste of points.

*affect the 2 and 3. I dumped every point I had into spirit and the difference is less than +10s.

[novel fable]

no fast travel right?

[smoky crater]

There is, limited, and requires completing the waste bear fable

[finite stone]

wiki's incorrect? whereabouts?

[lament seal]

the avakot wiki seems correct so something tells me it's fextralife being fextralife again lol

[finite stone]

You were talking about https://wiki.avakot.org/Epona's_Forests right? Is it not 25 will-o-fronds?

[novel fable]

is it a huge triangle red baloon above a fort?

[tired sail]

They did list AI too, so it could just be google mixing correct sources with incorrect, it's only as accurate as the datasets it scrapes.

[finite stone]

oh yeah maybe they were on fextra, guess we'll see if Dayos can confirm haha but I'm pretty sure 25 is right

[turbid ridge]

Thanks dude. I stand corrected 😅

[novel fable]

is it a huge triangle red baloon above a fort?

[finite stone]

oh nice no worries, ty for confirming!

[smoky crater]

no it's a small one, identical to the blue ones

[novel fable]

o npnp

[finite stone]

just for reference those ones are sieges

[smoky crater]

only appears at night tho iirc

[novel fable]

o weird kk