gameplay-discussion

[ornate hatch]

killed him

43 mins but we did it *

[fervent skiff]

I personally just used alder on him
That or rain of arrows

[keen owl]

GG

[ornate hatch]

when you respawn it's insta combat so i was stuck with the stuff i had ! which by sheer idiocy of my part , was a new pact and weapon , it meant that he was with a gray bar and a X level , so 1 damage after 1 damage

[keen owl]

yea damn, Easy mistake to make if you're just chilling, glad it's done

enjoy the pact now 😀

[ornate hatch]

i will ! it's the deer one !

[thorn oasis]

The bear fight is in dire need of a 'way out', so you can re-equip, invite friends, etc.

[ornate hatch]

then ending of the quest is so cool tho

[thorn oasis]

I've heard the 'Brewer of Hues' Nimrod has a similar problem.

[ornate hatch]

i clicked enter at the same time as the pop up for the potion appeared so i couldnt read it so i fought him at full power until someone from here told me about it ! seems i'm quite unlucky around boss fights haha

ok i want that armor now

[thorn oasis]

It was a while before I was told I could have used Cloudquell on Discharged Nimrod, too (I thought it was only for regular Nimrod)... I had been killing him without it for a while before then, heh.

[ornate hatch]

glad to see i'm not alone !

[lament seal]

"Discharged" but you still have to dismiss his charge smh

[thorn oasis]

Time to beat up Kabocha and Goudo, for the armour set frags, hehe.

[fervent skiff]

🫰 bye bye~

[ornate hatch]

okay , where do i get an insane quantity of scrap steel , everything is asking for some !

[thorn oasis]

Break the squawker poles, from the current event. Also, loot weapon racks.

[ornate hatch]

there is an event ?

oh thats an event !

[thorn oasis]

The Thawtide event

[ornate hatch]

so the armor is time limited ?

[thorn oasis]

I'd expect it is, yes. I didn't take any chances and collected everything the event had to offer.

[warm night]

The event is running until the 30th of January, so you have plenty of time to get everything.

[ornate hatch]

i love how this is explain nowhere in the game that it's a time limited event

thought it was just a game mechanic

[warm night]

I think there was a pop up when you logged on the first time after the event started, but I don't remember if it mentioned the end-date for the event.

[ornate hatch]

omw to do it

[smoky crater]

That's when you check #soulframe-news

[finite stone]

It... was??

[winged yoke]

Where can I find these squawkers?

[finite stone]

They can spawn anywhere across midrath, but you can find a few guaranteed 'spawn zones' using https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12?loc=squawkers

[winged yoke]

thank you

[finite stone]

No worries, enjoy! In case you need enclave standing, I'd highly recommend combining squawkers with farming NE tales - good amount of squawkers, plus standing, plus decent leveling (just behind cogah or arena)

[pastel wren]

So I bought the 'Merry Motifs' pack and I dont see anything new in my inventory or cosmetics. What am I missing?

[full hearth]

Motifs are equipped elsewhere

[pastel wren]

Ive looked everywhere lol

Cosmetics, the bookshelf where your weapons and armor are, etc

[full hearth]

Step 1 - ESC

Step 2 - Mouse over this, top left

Step 3 - Left click on it

[winged yoke]

So what do I get from the bird feeders? Is it supposed to be only 3 dogs that attack you? How do I get the armor?

[full hearth]

Replacing the Squawker with a Feeder is only necessary to acquire the Bird skin fragments

[pastel wren]

Lol thx

[full hearth]

If you already have enough fragments for both, or don't care about bird skins, there is no reason to replace them.

[winged yoke]

Oh okay

[finite stone]

Have you checked the https://wiki.avakot.org/Thawtide wiki page? It tells you where to get everything from the event:

[full hearth]

Also, that. Very helpful in general when wondering where X drops or where to get Y

[finite stone]

So for the armour you were asking about, you don't need to think about the squawker or the seeder at all

[winged yoke]

Uu nice, thank you. We were just playing around with my friend

[radiant otter]

out of curiosity, how do we rank the soulframe builds on metabattle? good, bad, somewhere in between?

[pastel wren]

One more thing, can we match with randoms yet?

I dont have friends lol

[finite stone]

Not yet, it's explained at https://wiki.avakot.org/Multiplayer:

[full hearth]

There is no automatic matchmaking atleast yet, like one you might find in Warframe.

[finite stone]

This'll get updated once DE add matchmaking to the game, though

[pastel wren]

Okay, good to know. Thank you all

[full hearth]

You can find randoms in the Recruiting chat in-game or through #looking-for-group for the time being

[royal sage]

recruitment chat is very usefull for finding people

[pastel wren]

For sure

[full hearth]

Can't remember off the top of my head whether the game defaults Recruiting Chat on or off

[pastel wren]

Its on for me

[full hearth]

If it's off you can find it in the settings

[finite stone]

I think on, it's only Region that defaults off

[royal sage]

if you open the chat you can toggle between which you have active

[finite stone]

Yes but only once it's been enabled via settings (for Region)

[dusky iris]

Im using sirin with Juniper weapon, do I want to just have minimum grace to use the weapon then put the rest of my points into courage for more bow damage? Is that how it works?

[full hearth]

Attunement of the weapon determines currently what increases its damage

[dusky iris]

oh so I should just pump grace?

Where would you recommend levelling new weapons?

[full hearth]

By default Juniper is attuned to Grace and will scale off of it, yes.

[finite stone]

do I want to just have minimum grace to use the weapon

No, you want to reach its Attune Cap

[full hearth]

I say "by default" because we have means to change the attunement. But with Virtue rework and the like in the horizon, i'd advise not to use any precious joineries for that.

We don't know yet how drastic the changes will be, after all.

[finite stone]

Have you read https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons#Attunement by the way? It explains how virtues scale your weapon damage, and how to allot your virtues optimally

the optimal strategy is to spend Virtue points until reaching the weapon's Attune Cap, then allocate remaining points to improve Pact Arcanics.

[silver dagger]

do we know on how DE actually plans to monetize the game? so far it seems like more cosmetic options (palettes) are available without spending premium currency. And while it is a welcome thing, i worry about how will other systems be affected, especially with the absence of a thing that made DE most money (forma)

[ornate hatch]

how am i supposed to kill this fella

[smoky crater]

if you know about how they monetized Warframe, in similar ways to that is the plan.

[ornate hatch]

not off to a great start with transmog locked behind a paid currency :/

[smoky crater]

[silver dagger]

either by heavy attacks, or by stregthening your gear

[smoky crater]

transmog's pure fashion tho
doesn't actually affect gameplay

[silver dagger]

see if heavies do more than 1 point of dmg

[ornate hatch]

and a free option in 99% of the games

[ornate hatch]

it does , gonna comeback later tho , i'm getting oneshot

[smoky crater]

99% of games that do have transmog aren't free to play tho

[ornate hatch]

thought it was a soul mechanic or something with the other minions around him

[smoky crater]

and the way that transmog (bestitching) works in this game hasn't exactly caused an uproar of any kind after the latest changes they made to the system

personally haven't played around with it at all tbf

[ornate hatch]

i still think it's a bad move to lock away a staple of customisation like that behind an (expensive i might add ) paywall

but to each their own

[silver dagger]

yeah you also have to pull his soul later on, but basically every enemy with grey healthbar means that your weapon does less damage than their armor value reduces

[ornate hatch]

noted ty !

[smoky crater]

but it's far from necessary to look good aswell

[ornate hatch]

that thing is a 1.20€ per armor change , it's an insane price (1 moonstreil is 25 arcs , 150 arcs are 5€ , 150/25 = 6 6/5 = 1.2 = 1.20€ per changes jesus christ)

[ornate hatch]

when look is locked too stats i think it kind of is ?

[smoky crater]

but you're not forced into having higher amounts of defence. having even like 50 is fine as long as you know how to play

[ornate hatch]

thats not the question tho

why can't have i have a cool looking preset and an optimized build ? why , if i wanna change my appearance mind you , must spend 3.60€ each time i wanna do something new ? why limit player expression like that behind a paywall ? color palettes are fine in my opinion because just like in warframe there is plenty of those that you can get for free but if you wanna really enter it then you need to pay / trade the premium currency

[winged yoke]

So how many thawtide hunters do we need to kill so that their levels will increase? We killed like 4-5 squads of these hunters but they are still level 10

[ornate hatch]

but more importantly , why is it so expensive for a one time thing??

[finite stone]

It's not a one time thing anymore thankfully - that's how it originally started, but in P11 H10 they changed it in response to the community uproar and made it permanent. It's written on https://wiki.avakot.org/Bestitching:

[ornate hatch]

OH so it's like , you activate transmog on that piece and then you can change it at your leisure ?

[finite stone]

Not sure if anyone's calculated the exact amounts/scaling, but it should be noticeable after that many. Might just need a relog?

[finite stone]

Yes, it's a permanent unlock. It's all explained on the wiki page

[ornate hatch]

Great to know , still of the opinion it shouldn't be a paid feature especially for that price but it makes thing better

[finite stone]

Completely agreed, but yeah I've settled for the reality of it now that they've fixed the original design

[ornate hatch]

indeed

[full hearth]

Considering DE's monetization in their earlier game, i'd wager that Arcs become tradable at a later date.

[winged yoke]

This was it, thank you again. Now they are level 25 lol

[real flare]

whats the difference between the pacts oscelda and wyld oscelda, they seem to have same abilities is there something im missing?

[smoky crater]

different arm visually, different ability visuals and they share the pact upgrade tree

so with both ranked up you can get 60 points

[real flare]

but its worth me swapping to wyld version right, as i imagine that is more progressive

despite it being at rank 0 and my oscelda been rank 30

[warm night]

The Wyld versions also have higher base virtue bonuses. If you equip your Wyld Oscelda, it will have the same upgrades as your normal Oscelda, so equip it and level it to get twice the upgrade points.

[final rock]

are wylds still bugged with the smite virtue nerf?

[halcyon thicket]

No

[final rock]

ah nice

[unique mulch]

guys how do you rank up verminia?

[halcyon thicket]

Craft dyes from faction shops

[lone iron]

Craft potions.

[unique mulch]

yeye the level 1 is full, just asked where to go to rank up but i found it

[regal yacht]

does anyone know how to plant the flower in the eter. garden ?

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Eternium_Gardens explains how it all works

[smoky bridge]

I've had to abandon the fight, go to nightfold, switch to a fully leveled (rank 30) weapon and return. Alternately, very slowly, you can kill it with lots of heavy attacks and using abilities that boost attack. Might not work on this guy though, because he heals too. That greyed out bar means your attack is not high enough to overcome his armor.

[regal yacht]

ty

[winter pond]

Hi, I'm new to the game. I could use some help. I tried to play today, but this is what it said. Can someone help me?

This account not yet received an invitation to Soulframe preludes

[finite stone]

It means that your account does not yet have access 😜 check the 'How do I get access' sticky message here #envoy-gathering message (the game is in closed Pre-alpha, which is why you need an access key)

[winter pond]

ty

[royal plank]

I'm trying to get orrengail and I heard the howl a while ago but was in the middle of something else so I didn't do it, am I just screwed now or does she howl again cause I've been playing for another 2 hours since the howl and havnt heard anything

[lone iron]

Are you trying to find her for a quest? If so look for a big red baloon.

[royal plank]

I've already done the red balloon, then went to the location and unchained her. According to the wiki your supposed to gain her trust or something by clearing out enemies and then you'll hear a howl and your supposed to follow paw prints but I was busy when I got that howl so I didn't

[lone iron]

Ah. Not sure then. I just stumbled upon her after the quest again by accident. So no clue what the mechanic to that was.

[royal plank]

Gotcha

[lone iron]

Have you tried relogging in between? Might help.

[royal plank]

Bruh is like talking about it just summoned her

I have seriously been playing for like 3 hours now probably and havnt seen her since I freed her and I come yap about it and boom I clear 1 village and she shows up lol

[lone iron]

She heard us

[solid musk]

whats the fastest way to level up weapons?

[worthy star]

to my knowledge, fastest way to level stuff is to go into Ode'n camps and kill them all

I prefer to do the "perfect throw, retrieve, and impale" method since it makes clearing out the camps faster

[finite stone]

Arena, followed by cogah then T3 tales

[solid musk]

no idea whats the fist 2 things are then ill just do the T3

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Arena is a game mode found in Andurin

[finite stone]

And https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Cogah is hard mode, but you might want to wait a little before thinking of it if you're new to the game

[mellow agate]

how much exp u gain

[finite stone]

For me I went in solo the other day with a rank 0 stultin, and I came out and it was like rank 26 or something I think? Got most of my kills with garren's stags, dunno if I could have got more or less mastery by doing anything different

[mellow agate]

0 to 26 only with that?

[finite stone]

I think it was ~26, let's say early to mid twenties? And yeah it was about 20mins to get to the end I think

[pastel wren]

Question: If I already have access to the game, but want to but a founders pack, can I still redeem the founders pack on my main account? Im assuming so.

[finite stone]

just my experience of one run though, I haven't done many

[mellow agate]

that's broken

how do i get there

[finite stone]

You can yeah! Founders is its own separate thing, not just about the game access itself

[finite stone]

It's great for mastering something you don't want to use longterm yeah

[pastel wren]

Sick. Im about to get my first one

[finite stone]

It's explained here #gameplay-discussion message

[unborn bay]

what you all do after reaching the faction rep daily cap?

[mellow agate]

thanks man

[finite stone]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-10762144806435552833

[pastel wren]

One more thing lol. I chose tethren as my starter. If I buy a different class will I be able to use everything? Sry im still figuring out class builds and such

[lament seal]

oof the image caption text color being the same as links confused tf out of me for a bit there lol

[mellow agate]

yes

[pastel wren]

So no limitations on class? What you wear is what you are?

[mellow agate]

armor has no impact almost

[pastel wren]

Hmm

[tribal cairn]

DE pls add boosters or sth, this grind is..

[unborn bay]

guy, anyone here got hook from drops? the polearm

[solid musk]

just had like 4 smites in a row

its fun

or is it reposits? what is the name of the thing where you rip out souls?

[brittle nacelle]

smite

[solid musk]

then yeah had smite on 4 enemies at the same time so killed them all in 2 secounds

[unborn bay]

what pact are you using?

[solid musk]

wyld tethren

[unborn bay]

if you like smites you will like the orengall pact

[finite stone]

It's called a Pull Smite, the game kinda doesn't explain the whole thing explicitly but everything we know is written on https://wiki.avakot.org/Gameplay#Spectral_Sight_&_Smite: (it used to be called Soulsteal til P12)

[unborn bay]

the howl goes crazy

[solid musk]

really? i havent leveld it up yet

[unborn bay]

yeah, the howl increases smite chance by a lot

and doubles courage

i had a lot of fun with it

[fast hatch]

Is the game drop in drop out co op for most areas?

[unique mulch]

just wanted to know guys about joineries, do your weapon get reset to level 0 like warframe's format?

[finite stone]

Only with a Blessed Joinery, the others don't

[unique mulch]

and can you change the joinery by reforging the weapon again or is it locked to only one time

[finite stone]

Yep you can reforge as many times as you like, it just replaces the old

[unique mulch]

thanks

[unique mulch]

oh ye one last question, what the "attune to grace, spirit, courage" thing on blessed joinery does

[finite stone]

Changes the weapon's attuned virtue. It's explained for you at https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons#Attunement

[full hearth]

There's no automatic matchmaking in any part of the game (atleast for the time being, we will probably see some form of it in later Preludes), apart from Enclaves in which you will always see other Envoys in the instance. Outside of them it's up to you to invite or to get invited by other Envoys.

[white igloo]

Silly question: Are there any weapon types in-game that can 100% their Combat Arts stat sheet?

[full hearth]

Short Blade, Long Blade

[finite stone]

Yes Long blade and short blade, I thiiink that's it

[white igloo]

gotcha

[full hearth]

While you can group up with others for most content, i'd advise against doing any Fables in a group.

[white igloo]

also unrelated: I kinda wish the Totems had slightly more unique icons. At least, between the weapons

I know there's a symbol to the upper left / right of what weapon the totem is tied to, but there comes a point it kinda blends together

[pallid root]

Chat, do I need multiple seeders to repair the squakers? I was able to repair 4 of them and my co-op partner has been able to repair like 10 of them, but now I can't repair any anymore

[full hearth]

You need to build a Seeder for each Squawker you replace.

[white igloo]

You need to build more bird seed with the depressed blacksmith

[pallid root]

huh

[full hearth]

1 seeder is good for 1 squawker

[pallid root]

Why was I able to do 4 after building 2 seeders

[white igloo]

wat

[pallid root]

and my partner could do 10 after building 1

[white igloo]

Bugframe™ maybe

[full hearth]

Well it's not the intended outcome in any case

[pallid root]

lmao, ok thanks

We could not tell what the intended requirement was

and the wiki is vague at best on this. I need 2 more ladies so I guess i have to build more

[full hearth]

Do note that you don't have to replace broken down Squawker anyway - It's only needed if you are after the Bird skins.

[white igloo]

I just like feeding the birds

[full hearth]

Once you have those you can start skipping that part.

[pallid root]

Yes I try to 100% where I can for events like this

[full hearth]

[white igloo]

I also wish that I could have the skin for my guide save between loadouts

[pallid root]

While I'm at it... is the fella supposed to be that Massive?

[worthy star]

do I give a Lullily flower or Soulsbane flower to the shrine?

[full hearth]

Idk i think the one that's kinda iffy is Long Blade and Greatsword

[white igloo]

Perspective maybe?

[full hearth]

The rest are pretty unique in looks

[pallid root]

Nope they are right next to each other

[full hearth]

Well they are not that terrible either, but you could mix the two with a quick glance.

[white igloo]

Oh I see it now

[full hearth]

Long Blade

Greatsword

[white igloo]

That's why I wish for slightly altered icons between totems of each weapon type. Not immediately, but something for DE to think on down the road

[worthy star]

never mind, figured it out

[finite stone]

I honestly think they've done as best as they can with the long blade and greatsword icons tbh

Different blade, different hilt, different pommel - once you know it you know it

I can't think of anything I would change and I'm someone who attempts to dabble in art sometimes lmao

They've even given the fullers of the blades different thicknesses

[full hearth]

Make the Greatsword look like Paragon

But yeah idk

Once you know, you know.

[finite stone]

Briefly thought about this since at least it'd be asymmetric but idk if it makes sense for the category icon to specifically be the super duper legendary founders one hahaha

but maybe if there's a similarly asymmetric 'basic' greatsword in future that could be one to swap it to? 🤷‍♂️

[white igloo]

Also silly question... how do I build bonds with the NPCs? Just crafting stuff?

cuz the depressed blacksmith is rank 3 for me

but i've built a ton of weapons and armor

[lament seal]

3 is the max for the blacksmith atm, but yes

[finite stone]

It's explained on each of their wiki pages, so far only Tuvalkane and Verminia can be bonded so it's just crafting for now

Once Orlick can be bonded he will probably have some other mechanic - location discovery maybe?

[white igloo]

Is she supposed to still look all... ghost-like? I've seen screenshots where she looks like she's alive

[finite stone]

It's weird, we did a test the other day and mine was colourful at rank 3 but someone else's was grayscale at rank 3

[white igloo]

yeah mine's still gray

which relatable, depression

[lament seal]

makes me wonder if some form of graphics setting is the cause lol

[white igloo]

I do run low graphics so maybe

[lament seal]

I run high graphics and my rank 3 is still greyscale

[full hearth]

This is all the color she has to show me

[white igloo]

Could also just be a bug

[finite stone]

hmm high graphics here and mine has colour

[full hearth]

[white igloo]

Maybe color correction?

[lament seal]

super weird lol

[white igloo]

also for a blacksmith she is wearing very unprotective gear

[white igloo]

I know she's a ghost, but still

[lament seal]

I mean it sure looks like she died young so

[finite stone]

yeah this is colour, lemme find a pic of the gray one 1 sec

[full hearth]

Well if you ask her opinion she isn't one

[nimble cloud]

How can I farm bosses and farm fragments?

[tired sail]

How old are the screenshots?

[finite stone]

this is what someone's grey one looked like

[full hearth]

Kane this Kane that blablabla

[finite stone]

Those latest two screenshots just posted are from the last couple days

[full hearth]

That's odd

[finite stone]

So it's something to do with graphics for sure I reckon

[full hearth]

[dark terrace]

I've completed all of my quests, but for some reason after I come back from co-op my journal says it wants me to go back and do them again? Is this just a bug that I can ignore?

[white igloo]

Uhhhh

[tired sail]

You could be looking at an early version of preludes. This is from march 2024.

[white igloo]

dunno off the top of my head tbh

No, not like that. More like what the others posted earlier

[lament seal]

toggled my color correction setting and it changed nothing, still grey

[white igloo]

like Dracklore and Envoy's screenshots

[worthy star]

sucks that we can't soul yoink the thunder death enemies to stop it

at least we can still bean them in the head by throwing our weapon so that the thunder is delayed

[full hearth]

You can block it, funnily enough.

[tired sail]

Looks like it is bloom toggled on/off

[full hearth]

Or just, move out of the way.

[tired sail]

Bloom slider at 0 does give the grey tint effect if you want 0 bloom in game

[lament seal]

worked for me, too, I wonder if a rank 1 Tuvalkane still looks colorful with bloom turned on

[thorn oasis]

It is done!, rejoice! :)

[heavy orbit]

i just hit 15 sooo close

[full hearth]

Is this with everything ranked up?

[thorn oasis]

All pacts and weapons leveled, and all location names translated.

[full hearth]

Okay so Fey makes a pretty noticeable difference then

[unkempt sphinx]

Dewelion grind is finally overrrrrr

[full hearth]

This is with Rostrum still being ranked up too, though i don't think 15 ranks for it will display much in the progress.

[unkempt sphinx]

Talonius is missing something

[olive patio]

could somebody doodle on the map where the "sheltered" locations where I might find spiders are?

[thorn oasis]

Hmm?... double checking

[unkempt sphinx]

Your bar is less than envoys. So something is missing.

[thorn oasis]

It is suspected it's the Fey Pact xp

[full hearth]

Fey

[unkempt sphinx]

The wut

[lament seal]

once again early adopters gonna have higher mastery unattainable by anyone else lul

[olive patio]

or where the neath'ins are on the map?

very bad at finding things lol

[full hearth]

Pact that got split into Tethren, Sirin and Oscelda in earlier Preludes.

[olive patio]

nvm found it

[unkempt sphinx]

https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[full hearth]

You cannot acquire it but progress from it appears to linger.

[lament seal]

The Fey pact, it doesn't exist anymore but still gave Mastery

[unkempt sphinx]

I’ve been here since p2 or something lol that’s what happens when you take a while off

Thanks for the history lesson

[white igloo]

What if the Fey Pact was exclusive to Founders

[unkempt sphinx]

How can you tell if you have fey pact maxed now. Checking after all items/pacts complete?

[full hearth]

Yeah just kinda compare with someone

[thorn oasis]

Do cogah lore entries add Envoy XP?

[mellow sleet]

I didn't play much in December can someone tell me abt anything new thats been added since then

[thorn oasis]

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/8298-soulframe-preludes-12-thawtide/

Thawtide event.

[maiden raft]

What's with the icons in the Eternium gardens?

Frog, spade, corn etc.

[vagrant kayak]

Nothing, just represent the instances

Frog, spade, corn, jelly donut, flower, etc

[full hearth]

They're just nostalgic for the older Prelude players, they're old Mote icons, on a repeating pattern. Reused as instance symbols.

No other meaning or significance

[fast hatch]

can u respec virtues?

[vagrant kayak]

Yes, you can use the - and + buttons to swap the points around freely

[dull solar]

You can respect virtues, pacts and weapon skills freely at any time

[warped kiln]

Are any weapons / armors locked behind factions?

[dull solar]

To acquire them, some, yes. To wield / equip, no.

But you can farm all factions

[royal plank]

So typically how rare is the alcas breath rune? Just curious cause I was expecting to have to grind and just got it with one kill lols

[dull solar]

It's rng

Some get it on first kill, some on the 10th 🤷‍♂️

[royal plank]

Gotcha

[thorn oasis]

I've heard it range between the 1st try and the 15th try.

[royal plank]

Yea I got scared cause I was seeing people say om reddit they had tried for 2 weeks

[thorn oasis]

The boss cooldown used to be 3 hours... now it's 30 mins.

[royal plank]

Ohhhhhh for all bosses?

[dull solar]

Yes (it used to be 3hrs for all)

[thorn oasis]

All except King and Fort sieges

[royal plank]

Gotcha I havnt even done those yet, I started last night, and havnt even gotten my 2nd pact yet or upgraded my starter weapon lol

I've unlocked the stag, wolf, and bear but havnt crafted then cause they expensive

[dull solar]

People could share their spawns with others though, so some were joining groups to farm them

[royal plank]

Is there anywhere that has build recommendations? I'm currently using the sirin pact and thistle bow but I'm not sure what totems to use

[dull solar]

There are a few videos on youtube, but we can't promote anyone in particular

[lament seal]

The Spry (smite chance), The Yielding (slow on arrow hail), and The Scourge (+Physical Armor) work for me

[dull solar]

I usually go for +phys/magick, attack speed, smite chance, heal on smite, aoe dmg on attack, etc

[royal plank]

Is there a r3ason to try to get all of thr weapons up to level 30 before I sell them?

I know in warframe you got mastery so I just don't wanna swap to my juniper till thistle is maxed if there's a reason for it

[lament seal]

Yes, that'll increase your Envoy Rank, which is what gives you bonus virtue points you can allocate at will

[royal plank]

Gotcha thank you

[royal plank]

Which one gives aoe on attack?? That sounds insane

[lament seal]

for bows that would be The Scourge

[dull solar]

Uhh... rats I think?

[lament seal]

yeah, it's one of the rat totems

[royal plank]

Okay my only rat is slinker so guess I'll have to hit the undercity and rat farm

[dull solar]

Swamps and docks are where I farm mine

[royal plank]

Oh okay, I'm having a bad time with getting bow totems in general I've got maybe 9ish hours and I have 5 total bow totems

[white igloo]

Man, I wish my chat wouldn't straight up disappear after I talk to Avakot or anythin

[dull solar]

For bow

[royal plank]

Cool thank you

[light helm]

Hello all just joined the discord. Has the community here had much luck getting invite codes via email for making a account on the website?

[lament seal]

well usually the only people who bring it up are people who've been waiting for a while so it's hard to get a real sense for that

[light helm]

Im considering just picking up a founders pack. In your opinion is there enough content currently to justify buying one?

[fast hatch]

any way to increase backstab damage?

[dull solar]

Depends on what content means. There's a few story quests and exploration. What will take most of your time is faction farming and pact/weapon rank grinding.

[white igloo]

I mean the game is still pre-alpha or somethin

Of course it's not gonna be as fleshed out on release as Warframe. RN like Aiglos said, it's mostly going to be:
-Leveling up faction XP (there's 3)
-Leveling up weapons
-Killing bosses for item fragments, Joineries (Weapon upgrades), and Runes
-Playing music / freeing animals for this game's equivalent of Endo
-Doing Sieges
-Running around the map to reveal it + discover locations

You could play the game, and after some progression decide whether it's worth buying the Founder access pack or not.
I bought it to support DE Steve's project 🤷

[full hearth]

If you're unsure you could first play it and then decide

No harm in doing so

If it's story content you specifically look for then probably not quite there yet.

There's a decent few hours of good old grinding to be done, though.

[lament seal]

the question's phrasing implies to me that they're looking into founders for the sake of an access code

[full hearth]

Yes i'm aware

I don't mind offering an access code if that means saving someone from a purchase they'd regret later.

[half talon]

I personally think there is a lot to do, but I am also aware of the fact that I started playing at a time when we had 3 dungeons, 1 quest, and we were locked into a single area without a map. Now there's a lot more. Whether or not someone feels that's enough justification is up to them.

[fast hatch]

will progress here carry over to release?

[dull solar]

yes

[half talon]

That is the plan, unlesss something goes absolutely wrong, but the team has said they will do everything in their power not to do any more resets

[lament seal]

very likely*

[half talon]

At this point we are, what, over a year since the last reset?

[sonic python]

do we have a release date or any expectations on that ?

[full hearth]

We don't have any hard dates or the like

[lament seal]

wonder if SF will be perpetual open beta like WF

[thorn oasis]

I just go with the mindset of "It'll be done when it's done."

[sonic python]

im so excited to start playing this game, huge fan of this game genre

[sonic python]

i like that, will keep it.

[finite stone]

Yeah most likely will, iirc it's legal reasons to allow them to update as frequently and significantly as they do

[lament seal]

still waiting on access?

[full hearth]

Well Soulframe is going to continuously evolve like Warframe is, might as well continue the tradition.

[sonic python]

to be honest, i was so involved into my own things that i find out about this game last month, and decided to sign up. But yes, still waiting on access.

[finite stone]

ooh DE interview screenshots! let me throw in my favourite one ever

[lament seal]

check DMs

lol

that's why I asked first lol

[sly escarp]

From our understanding it's a combination if a few things, but none of them are legal in focus.

First: listing as being in Beta has some benefits with some platforms, as it allows updates in a slightly different manner.

Second: When Warframe first came out, the "live service" model didn't exist. The idea of a game that would grow and evolve over time with updates was mostly limited to MMOs at the time. So, to help communicate "more content and updates are coming", DE launched into Beta, as that was easier for most players to understand.

Funnily enough, a couple years later we get Destiny and Fortnite and the model is popularized, so now it's less of an issue.

At least, that's our understanding of what happened.

Now it's just kinda an inside joke with the dev team.

[sonic python]

would you guys say that all 3 class are balanced ? or you guys have already find your favorite ?

[solemn venture]

What is the reason for a treasure yet undiacovered to keep popping up?

[finite stone]

It's always interesting to think that live service didn't quite exist yet, at least as a term, when WF first started! Which gets me thinking... were MMORPGs technically the first live service model?

[finite stone]

If you mean the pacts, there are 8 of them! You can see them all on https://wiki.avakot.org/Pacts. As for balance, I'd say they're certainly all useable, but some excel (Oscelda is very powerful, great CC and healing capabilities) and others have fallen a little behind with recent strong nerfs (Bromius maybe? but haven't played it since Thawtide)

[dull solar]

Difficult to answer, since there are no real classes. Once you obtain everything, you can mix and match to create your own "class" or build

[sly escarp]

They're not really balanced, but each pact does usually support a distinct style of play.

[fast hatch]

is the backstab class any good at all?

[brittle nacelle]

if you mean the 3 starting pacts, not atm. right now tethern is the strongest in terms of dmg followed by oscelda which also has good CC and sirin is mostly for loot and it's just a lot of fun if you ask me

[fast hatch]

cause that doesn't really work on bosses yeah?

[brittle nacelle]

you can backstab humanoid bosses

[frigid spoke]

lol everything can backstab, there is no class

[fast hatch]

and you can repeat backstab right? can u scale it?

[sly escarp]

It's best to choose the playstyle that suits you best: Tethren for buffs and getting in the fray, Oscelda for control and debuffs while supporting yourself and allies, and Sirin for setting up backstabs and controlling the battle.

[lament seal]

Sirin makes it easier with Glamour but yeah anyone can backstab, enemies have surprisingly narrow sightlines due to their fashion-forward helmets

[full hearth]

Controlling the battle until enemies decide to ghost your clone

[brittle nacelle]

backstab is only before enemies notice you, or when you're invisible through either sirin skill 3 or flintsmoke rune

[dull solar]

Tethren is the most simple and straightforward

[full hearth]

[fast hatch]

flintsmoke rune?

[sly escarp]

Basically: they aren't classes, they're tools that support certain playstyles.

[finite stone]

or when enemies are distracted by decoy from Sirin's 2, but idk if that's broken rn

[sly escarp]

Same with the later game Pacts

Garren is a pact that supports Rune based gameplay.

[lament seal]

Garren Rood, more like Gimme Rune

[sly escarp]

Orengall is about controlling the enemy with summons to set up a big hit

Bromius is all about defense and armour being used to your advantage.

Mora's hand is Area Damage at the cost of Self Damage

[fast hatch]

do we got any vauban like abilities 🤣

[sly escarp]

And Ode Tempest is about using the Stagger mechanic on everything nearby.

Each of them encourages leaning into a certain mechanic or playstyle

[sonic python]

Thats awesome did not know you could mix them, that opens a variety of ways to play certainly

[sly escarp]

The three Starting Pacts are the most open though.

[sly escarp]

Your pact only defines your abilities, you can use any weapon or armour with any pact

[thorn oasis]

My usual build is Oscelda with a bow and wrist-caster. Bestone and headshots for everything! :P

[sonic python]

Nice, I will definitely try all of them

[fast hatch]

do armors have abilities or passives?

[finite stone]

none yet, just stats

I think Steve said they'd be getting some more depth eventually though? In his coding stream, maybe around the same time he mentioned the Virtue rework

[dull solar]

Yeah, Virtues rework might change a lot of other stuff within the game, like armor, weapons and joineries

[finite stone]

yeah even all the pact arcanic scaling may get tweaked, it's such a wide-ranging thing

[thorn oasis]

I've opted to avoid using Blessed By joineries until after the virtue rework.

[lament seal]

same

[dull solar]

I never used a joinery because I never had to 😅

[lament seal]

hoping Grace will have use after the rework

[finite stone]

I'd say it's worth using polished on your fave weapons, easy damage boost is fun even if you're not having trouble with difficulty ⚔️

[lament seal]

me tossing Polished on absolutely everything because I'm practically showering in them (except Feybalt)

[white igloo]

So... how much 'till my next rank-

at lvl 3 with Kith of Kings

[frigid spoke]

go back to the kings area and check

[unkempt sphinx]

2900

[thorn oasis]

It's 80k to get to Rank 5

Oh.. 'next' rank, sorry.

[white igloo]

yeh I plan on trying to get to rank 5, but I wanna know how much 'till rank 4 so

guess I gotta do more bounties

[fast hatch]

is blessed basically forma

[lament seal]

not really, but it does reset the weapon rank

[dull solar]

Blessed will change the virtue type of the weapon

[bold niche]

there is a cap to how much u can earn daily btw, not sure if yk

[lament seal]

all it does is change which Virtue the weapon scales with (so you can, e.g., make a Grace weapon scale with Spirit instead), as well as provide the same bonuses that Polished does

[white igloo]

Isn't the cap 16k per day though?

[thorn oasis]

Yes

[lament seal]

if you're happy with the virtue the weapon scales with, just use Polished and you won't have to re-rank the weapon

[white igloo]

Oh I misread raven saying there isn't, my b

got confused

[dull solar]

Oh, polished doesn't reset rank? hmmm 🤔

[lament seal]

yep, and you don't have to wait until rank 30 either

[fast hatch]

so polished are like reactors lol?

or am I nuts?

[lament seal]

no, they just boost the weapon's stats

[thorn oasis]

Meanwhile, all those poor Rusted and Tempered joineries gather dust in the back of the shelf. ;)

[lament seal]

there's no such thing as mod drain / capacity in this game, instead you can equip up to 3 totems on each weapon (or 4 totems if you have a rune equipped)

reforging doesn't affect totems or runes

[fast hatch]

ty for all the help guys

oh what's max party size?

[white igloo]

Avakot has Scrap Brass if anyone needs it

also I think the cap is 4 total players, like in Warframe

...unless they decide to bring Raids back ever in WF, which was 8.

[lament seal]

It's 3

[white igloo]

ah, ok then

wonder why just 3

[vagrant kayak]

Fits with the 3 Virtues

[white igloo]

I guess

[dull solar]

DE likes 3

[lament seal]

Had an endless run a while back with one each of the three starter pacts, smoothest run of my life

[halcyon thicket]

You just made that up didn't ya

[white igloo]

(they probably did)

[halcyon thicket]

[vagrant kayak]

I mean, educated guess but yes

[lament seal]

I like it tbh, feels like each person is actively contributing

Too easy to get left in the dust with Warframe lol

[fast hatch]

oh it must be because of the codes from the founders pack 🤣

someone decided 3 codes and then built the game around it lol

[smoky crater]

Oh Wise Vasp-IV fragment, what is thy wisdom today?

[open sail]

tbh i think fragments drop too much

[lament seal]

I believe the founders packs came out a while after they decided on the squad size

[smoky crater]

founders packs only became available like 1.5 months ago, the 3 player squad size has been a thing since the very beginning of preludes in december 2023 afaik

[halcyon thicket]

ℹ️

[dim turret]

I'm rank 8 now, I have yet to find any world trees and now when following the bird I got teleported in to area with rank(?) 22 enemies next to graveyard stone or what it is and they one shot me 😄 I tried to run away but the area has black wall 😄 I'm so clueless

[brittle nacelle]

you gutta press the i to find out

[halcyon thicket]

Halfway to 1k

[white igloo]

So uh... there's a puzzle in some dungeon where a beam of light is being blocked by an indestructable plank of wood

what do

[smoky crater]

close enough to halfway with my regular keys aswell (not crypt keys)

[smoky crater]

try to hit the planks from an angle or just the very corner of it

[halcyon thicket]

Got 213

Exactly 200 less

[white igloo]

I did

[smoky crater]

might be some wacky hitbox shenanigans blocking the planks from getting destroyed

[white igloo]

the plank isn't budging an inch

[smoky crater]

screenshot?

[halcyon thicket]

It might be the one people are reporting

[smoky crater]

hmmm? 👀

[dull solar]

Maybe you simply need to redirect the beam elsewhere?

[white igloo]

the dungeon room with caged off areas

no, it's the only spot the beam goes to

I tried

[smoky crater]

screenshot tho?

[white igloo]

it's uh

[halcyon thicket]

Press F6

[white igloo]

the one from this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/SoulFrame/comments/1pwelxu/sunlight_puzzle_help/

[halcyon thicket]

Ye reported https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1457050399965053039

Add +1

[smoky crater]

oh that tile

[white igloo]

pain

[versed gate]

is the bear the last part for the current story

[smoky crater]

depends, it's the newest fable yes but you can do them out of order too

[lament seal]

Fey-empowered envoy who can take on a small army vs one planky boi

[smoky crater]

so if you have 8 fables in your Journals, Fables tab, yes that is all

[white igloo]

To be fair, the plank of wood is (probably) made from the trees, the forest the fey live in (probably)

[lament seal]

All those barrels and crates I've been breaking will come back to haunt me later

[dull solar]

With bad physx

[white igloo]

They'll clip the loot under the map or in some fire damage zone

[fast hatch]

what does endless do?

[white igloo]

It's a specific tile in the Glades, just has (almost) endlessly spawning undead enemies

a good spot for leveling, if you can get the tile. DE nerfed it so the enemies cap at around level 20 I think

[lament seal]

No they cap at 69

60*

[fast hatch]

get the tile as in its not always there?

[lament seal]

It's the waves that cap at 20, so there's an end to endless now

[fast hatch]

also, how does enemy level affect your xp?

[smoky crater]

the tile is not guaranteed to spawn no.
the higher the enemy level, the more xp you get for killing it

[pallid root]

Hello chat one more question for today from me, so weapon slots are limited and pact slots are limited at 15 and 5 respectively right now right? I wasn't sure what the limit was until the camel was added and now I can see the total at the camel

I assume when I max out a weapon and sell it, I'd have to re-level it if I ever made it again

but is there any WF-like mastery system so far that records I've mastered it already?

[dull solar]

If you're talking UI-only, not yet. But the exp you got from mastering is kept.

[fast hatch]

do u have to relogin to try and get it?

[smoky crater]

don't have to relog. just re-enter the dungeon

[royal plank]

Is there any fast travel lol

[smoky crater]

after completing a certain fable yes. limited tho

[fast hatch]

the world trees aren't the fast travel pts?

[smoky crater]

they are

but with extra steps

[royal plank]

I just leveled up the silent rose but I'm all the way on northeast corner of the map lol so I just figured I'd ask before I make the track back

[fast hatch]

extra steps?

[pallid root]

OK guess I'll just be keeping my first handful of weapons and pacts for a while now then There's no limit on our armor inventory at least, right?

[sonic hamlet]

Hi guys why can’t I level up my Pact past level 23

[dull solar]

No limit on armor and accessories

[royal plank]

I think it tells you I've you've already crafted a item? I thought so at least I planned on just making sure everything I craft I take up to 30 before I use something else

[smoky crater]

sooo yeah if you're playing completely free to play, and just using the default Arcs you get, probably those numbers of slots would be max yes.

you do have to relevel a weapon if you sell it and craft it again yes.

there is a warframe like mastery system but you have to manually keep track of what weapons and pacts you've leveled or not

[smoky crater]

should be able to
the higher the pact level the more xp it needs to level up again tho

[dull solar]

Yeah, I keep a file on my desktop to keep track

[smoky crater]

same with weapons

[fast hatch]

damn there's no way to see your level progress?

[pallid root]

Yeah OK thanks all. I still haven't spent my 200 free starter Warframe platinum, I imagine it'll be the same for the 3700 Soulframe arcs

Hopefully there will be a Nightwave-style equivalent way to earn more slots for free later

[sonic hamlet]

yeah, im grinding 3/4hours and im still on 23 on my pack :/

[zenith knoll]

in the nightfold, when you go to change weapons/pacts

[sly escarp]

Weapon level?

Envoy level?

Pact level?

[fast hatch]

like mastered stuff

[sly escarp]

You can see what level each of them is but the methods vary

[sly escarp]

Oh, no, not currently

[finite stone]

you can if it's in your inventory, but not if you've sold it

[sly escarp]

It's kind of inconvenient

[dull solar]

Try using the pact's abilities more

[zenith knoll]

envoy level is the number in the top-left that appears when you're in your nightfold arsenal, everything else you have to check in your inventory

[fast hatch]

does leveling a weapon actually do anything other than mastery xp?

[pallid root]

Weapons get stronger by level I believe

[frigid spoke]

hits harder

[fast hatch]

got it

[finite stone]

yes, it's explained in full at https://wiki.avakot.org/Gameplay#Item_Leveling, there are specific bonuses at each rank shown in the table

[smoky crater]

the weapons damage, stagger both go up and you get combat arts points

[pallid root]

I suppose I will wait until we get a Soulframe Codex, then I can start selling the junk weapons I don't like using and go on the real Mastery Grind once more

(not that i'm anywhere close to finishing my 15 weapons to begin with)

[fast hatch]

LOL

is mastery grind just envoy level?

[dull solar]

yes

each lvl gives you +1 virtue

[pallid root]

Oh it actually does stuff in this game? Neat. I'm just addicted to doing it for no reason from Warframe masteries

[fast hatch]

aren't warframe masteries straight up usless beyond like 14?

[dull solar]

Max is currently ~17.6 (with paragon)

[fast hatch]

and is there an envoy level you want to get to to actually get use out of builds or no?

[pallid root]

I think I'm Envoy 7 right now even though I've only maxed out 2 pacts and 3 weapons

[smoky crater]

well 16 but not really

[royal plank]

How many fables are there right now? Just curious what I've missed

[dull solar]

It slows down

[smoky crater]

if you've done everything, you should have 8 in your journal

[finite stone]

No, they give you all the stuff shown on https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Mastery_Rank, too many to list really

[pallid root]

Yeah but imagine... the funny little garland in my codex....... yumyum

[royal plank]

Cool I've got them all

[zenith knoll]

how many cogah lore entries are accessible ingame? my game only shows 4 but the wiki shows 7

[mild furnace]

where can I farm river pearls?

[smoky crater]

rivers

[mild furnace]

never would have guessed lol

[fringe crescent]

The end of flat earth

[mild furnace]

was wondering if there was something that drops them

[halcyon thicket]

Jump

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[mild furnace]

you know what must be done

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

[smoky crater]

seems like it can drop from chests or from enemy loot too https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443494424624627792

[white igloo]

So uh... how do I save the animal cage during the Collector / Nimrod event? It shows a locked bomb icon when I approach the cage

or is there nothing I can do to save them

[smoky crater]

you don't

[white igloo]

sad

[smoky crater]

not unless you've done a faction tale that had a "Fetch a Thunderstone" stage in it before that, and you didn't use it on a bisulcam during that tale

[white igloo]

so many baby deer yoinked by the collector

Funny enough I do have spare Thunderstones I think

[smoky crater]

they get reset after you relog

[white igloo]

least any time I do a siege, the game says I have 3

[smoky crater]

[outer fog]

Guys how do I get the code to play soulframe

[white igloo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[smoky crater]

check the top pinned message

[white igloo]

Pinned message in #envoy-gathering

[smoky crater]

that yes

[mental stratus]

So i did a thing when i was working with the spear where it LOOKED like i stuck two enimies together cause they lined up right and stuck both but the first one i stuck turned and the spear turned with it out of the other guy....that needs to be a thing that you can shishkibob enimes together. The shear hilarity of them trying to move around while stuck like that would be worth it😆😆

[lilac helm]

is there soething after the sparrow tale ?

[sly escarp]

What do you mean? Faction Tales are small repeatable activities you can get reputation from, so they'll keep respawning

[fast hatch]

does trick of the light enable backstabs?

[lilac helm]

ahhh that explains it

[sly escarp]

Distracted enemies can be backstabbed

[fast hatch]

so just walk behind and left click?

[sly escarp]

Wait for the prompt, but yes

[fast hatch]

is that true of blinded as well?

[sly escarp]

No

Blinded is a stun

[fast hatch]

oh

why does the wiki say "Cast a cloud of magick dust. Enemies are blinded, leaving them vulnerable to sneak attacks" for picktrix powder?

[hoary dagger]

You can sometimes backstab them but it seems very inconsistent

[sly escarp]

That's the ability description

[fast hatch]

its supposed to be consistent though yeah?

[sly escarp]

Hasn't been updated since Sirin was added

[hoary dagger]

[fast hatch]

BRUH that's so dumb

[sly escarp]

So any changes may not be reflected by the ability text.

[hoary dagger]

From how I've understood it, it's a brief window between the blind falling off and them attacking you again that the prompt is up

[thorn oasis]

It's far easier to just smack 'em with a heavy attack or headshot, heh.

[fast hatch]

lol yep figured

also, does the decoy have an attract range?

sorta seems really low

[vagrant kayak]

Trick of the Light's taunt has been bad/buggy for a little while now

[fast hatch]

😭

[lilac helm]

i entered a dungeon with only enemies with grey X icon what is that ?

[thorn oasis]

Your weapon's damage is not enough to beat the enemy's defence. You'll have to resort to, heavy attacks, finishers and pact arcanics.

[lilac helm]

pact what

[thorn oasis]

Your pact abilities, .. they're called arcanics

[lilac helm]

oooo. got it

[fast hatch]

is a finisher when you stagger someone?

[thorn oasis]

Anything that pops up a prompt icon, for a special attack.

[vivid cliff]

its like a whole new language. I had a headache for the first week trying to understand what everyone was talking about. like whole sentences would make zero sense until you learn what all the new words and phrases mean. But after 7 or 8 days of playing the game I can now listen to youtube videos about the game and actually understand what they are talking about.

[lilac helm]

true . im used to warframe and elden rings that i use words from each game here .lol

[floral bane]

So what are those yellow orb things we collect and why can i never find all 3 (always missing the last one)

[fast hatch]

backstabs too?

[lilac helm]

memories ig

[thorn oasis]

Those are 'History Motes' and they usually spawn 1 or 2 at a time for a location. They add to your Envoy level. More will spawn after an hour, or if you relog, until you've got all of them for a location.

[floral bane]

Thank you so much. Wanted to make sure iwasnt going crazy

[thorn oasis]

Backstab, stagger attack and I believe downed attack counts too.

[autumn sleet]

there was a few that spawned 3 at once, but they required 5

[thorn oasis]

It's rare, but you can get 3 spawning in a location, even if it only needs three.

[fast hatch]

what's an empty frame?

[finite stone]

a body with no soul

[fast hatch]

ahhhh ok so after you smite pull?

also what's avakot do?

[thorn oasis]

A materials shop, and also the leader of the Alca's Children enclave.

[fast hatch]

does he sell rare stuff?

and where can I find em?

[thorn oasis]

They spawn randomly, although there's a perminent spot at Oro's Well. The 'rarest' items sold are things like river pearls, scrap brass, gossmer quartz, but only 10 at a time.

[finite stone]

He does all the stuff listed on his page https://wiki.avakot.org/Avakot

[vivid cliff]

how does one actually get an in game invite, say to join someone for mendicant king or whatever? I've asked to join in chat numerous times, but then nothing ever happens. am I doing it wrong? like should I be getting an invite message on screen or whatever? I've never seen one

[finite stone]

Once you receive one you should get a little notification on the screen, and then when you press Esc you can click accept or decline

[vivid cliff]

i see. i will keep looking for it. tyvm

[winged yoke]

Thank you to everyone who helped me today with my questions regarding the thawtide event, you guys are awesome. Already got everything from the event except the talisman, that is still missing one piece 💪🏼

[thorn oasis]

It's that last fragment that'll drive you crazy. ;)

[jolly pumice]

guys can i know what happened in my game so it was bright and light i mean graphics with sun and all and after it became foggy and dark

why is that

[worldly pike]

Is it also stormy? Nimbus, one of the bosses, changes the weather when he's active

[thorn oasis]

Is there a ship nearby, shining 'spotlights' that sweep over the ground? If so, that's the 'Collector' event. You'll hear an NPC called 'Mada' say things, too.

[jolly pumice]

yeah that might be it tnx guys

[buoyant horizon]

say far too many things you mean

[thorn oasis]

I don't mind Mada's rather unhinged dialog, heh.

[buoyant horizon]

She does make me chuckle, I will admit

[vivid cliff]

probably 10x mendicant king now. not a single rune has dropped. F this....

[dull solar]

That was me, but for Purity.

[vivid cliff]

if I wanted to be disappointed a lot I dont need to buy a game... I play games to get away from irl disappointment....

[fast hatch]

Will we be able to get thawtide items after it’s over?

[lilac helm]

what is moonsteel

[buoyant horizon]

what you use to change appearance of gear

[lilac helm]

really ? dang

[buoyant horizon]

If you got founders you would've got 10 included

[open sail]

You can buy thawtide from
The camel at least

[lilac helm]

nope brok af

[buoyant horizon]

sadge

[lilac helm]

was thinking of buying something using the arc to prove that im alpha player although im broke . lol but cant see anything in store that costs 100arcs lol

[winged yoke]

The thawtide motifs are like 90 arcs I believe?

[thorn oasis]

I'd suggest killing Sinecure-errant Vella for the rune instead, they've only got a 30 minute respawn time.

[lilac helm]

merry motifs ?

[dull solar]

If you're low on arcs, I suggest keeping them for weapon/pact slots

[valid birch]

Im pretty sure those Motifs will come back next Thawtide

[winged yoke]

Yeh

[valid birch]

if you want something to prove you were around during founders, youd probablyu need to get a pack for the exclusive glyphs

[winged yoke]

Oh true that might be

[valid birch]

I would assume that ALL event things will return during the future events, such as the DE way

[buoyant horizon]

Do we know if Thawtide will be an annual event?

[lilac helm]

what is thawtide

[buoyant horizon]

Or like bi-annual

[valid birch]

It is the Winter event until January 30th

[dull solar]

The most "alpha" thing to have right now is probably the "prelude honour talisman". 🤔

[lilac helm]

what is that

[valid birch]

That too

[winged yoke]

I'm kinda bummed that there is no way to get that one talisman you got if you were around when the account wipes happened, hadn't gotten a code yet

[dull solar]

||https://wiki.avakot.org/Prelude_Honour||

[winged yoke]

That thing is alpha

[lilac helm]

ohhh

so no acc wips again ?

[thorn oasis]

I certainly hope not, heh.

[valid birch]

If there are wipes, there would be HELLA compensation

it would take a catastrophe to wipe again

like the most apocalyptic shart ever

[dull solar]

They're not planning any more wipes, but did not say for certainty. What's mostly to happen is that some features might completely disappear at some point, with whatever progress you had from it.

[thorn oasis]

I've only finished getting max Envoy level today (except for Fey pact shenanigans). I'd prefer not to do it all again.

[winged yoke]

I mean DE said they wanted to avoid another Excalibur prime but preludes honor is kinda giving me the same vibes

But then again I think I have a problem with completionism

[dull solar]

You don't get mastery exp from the talisman though

[thorn oasis]

Preludes Honor doesn't grant notable in-game benefits, it's cosmetic, like the mofifs and eternium flowers.

[winged yoke]

Yeah it mainly bums me out that I can't fill my avakot buddy collection completely lol

[vivid cliff]

it would be pretty amazing if they sell people a $100 game and then wipe people's progress.... I think they would get a torrent of hate and universal bad press in every single venue

[lilac helm]

what about wyld ?

[uneven urchin]

Was checking the founders page and holy based do we know what the craftable Paragon will be like? Like founders get a special blueprint and they can just crank these out whenever they please or something more special occasion?

[winged yoke]

They will become available at a later date

[lilac helm]

bruh

[winged yoke]

The crafted versions will have the username of the founder that gave the blueprint

[celest plank]

como faço pra jogar sem ter acesso?

[winged yoke]

But yeah how it will work is not known yet

[uneven urchin]

Nifty. So it’d be like getting avaruusvelho’s Paragon -

Oh nvm I was gonna keep typing but ye if we don’t know full logistics yet that’s fine

[lilac helm]

so a founder can send the BP of the paragon greatsword ??

[winged yoke]

Yeah, tho how the name will be printed on it is a mystery. Id like to think that the founders name will be plastered straight on the edge of the blade for all to see

[thorn oasis]

I suspect the gifted Paragon sword will have the last paragraph in their description replaced with "You are the third Envoy to wield it. The second etched their name upon the blade: "[Envoy Name].""

[lilac helm]

it cant be farmed at all ?

[winged yoke]

Yup, only by bying or getting it gifted by a founder later

[lilac helm]

later not now ? its not available?

[winged yoke]

It's available if you buy the paragon pack, but gifting the blueprint is not yet available

[lilac helm]

i see

[winged yoke]

I like my version better lol

[lilac helm]

would be cool if they did something like alpha player or beta player thing . small thing like elyater for example

yk like the one u take if u linked ur twitch in warframe

[winged yoke]

The last thing that some ode will see is "avaruusvelho" coming at them via a big af sword

[buoyant horizon]

Are people still putting all virtue points into courage even with weapons attuned to different virtues?

[lilac helm]

me

lol

[winged yoke]

Why are they being but to courage?

[thorn oasis]

Not me, I'm wielding a grace main weapon and spirit sidearm, heh.

[buoyant horizon]

Courage contributes to damage output i believe

[winged yoke]

Oh

[lilac helm]

im using tetherin so

[buoyant horizon]

Was seeing people with like 34-40 courage in here yesterday, so didn't know if that was for courage based weapons or for everything

[winged yoke]

Isn't it possible to change a weapons attunement with blessed joineries?

[lilac helm]

wut . it doesent have cap ?

[civic heath]

It caps at 20-27 mattering on what weapon it is

people are doing it for ability's tho not for weapons

[winged yoke]

Abilities scale with courage? Or just some of them?

[buoyant horizon]

Guess if you're doing that for abilities then also worth changing weapon attunement to courage

[civic heath]

some of them

and it just so happens that the ones that do are all damage buffs

[lilac helm]

no only the first

[civic heath]

All of teth abilitys ONLY scale with courage

Oscelda 1 damage and damage buff scale with courage as well as birds stagger damage

[lilac helm]

really ? thought each skill has a tree

like the second for grace and third for spirit

[civic heath]

Yeah its really stupid and kinda defeats the whole purpose of having things to scale since if 1 stats buffs damage across the board for 90% of the abilitys everyone is just going to spam the 1 stat

[winged yoke]

Man I'm so out of the loop, been playing warframe so much lately. Gotta run that wiki through. I've yet yo try the cogah hard mode too

[civic heath]

Dark souls strength faith moment right now honestly

Im hoping DE remove damage scale for all ability's and just make it so all ability's do % max hp damage

[final rock]

yeah optimal build atm is just courage for most pacts

[civic heath]

its even worse if you have a wolf pact friend honestly

2x courage gg

[final rock]

orengall has a buff virtues power now?

[summer kettle]

I just wanna say that if you want a game to feel better and be about one hero fighting off a squad of enemies, you probably dont want stagger stun lock to be a thing

[summer kettle]

orengall has always buffed courage

[final rock]

oh

guess i forgot

[civic heath]

The stagger stun lock aint that bad tbh since only a few weapons can actually do it 100% of the time

[lilac helm]

volt nuke

[civic heath]

Stun locking is also very much a thing in EVERY SINGLE fromsoft games not just soulsborne sekiroring

yes even their old af hello kitty games had stun locks

[lilac helm]

luckly there is no mods here . lmao can u imagine ? 300% spirt -150% grace

[civic heath]

give it 2 years just like warframe

[final rock]

pact totem when :D

[winged yoke]

Aren't the totems kinda like mods

[civic heath]

Warframe used to have skill trees but that didnt last long

[summer kettle]

Yeah but Im just saying that when it happens, it happens BAD and it feels awful. I have 19 stagger resist, stagger resist on my weapons, maxed out stagger resist on my pact and Im still ocassionally eating a 5 hit combo from bosses cuz I mistimed a parry. Which coincedentally also feels like they nerfed how easy it is to parry cuz I used to be able to consistently parry everything now I can parry for shit.

and stun locking in the souls series is a huge, almost universally hated thing about those games lol

[civic heath]

yeah but in the souls series if you are getting stun locked it is 100% your fault and a skill issue

soulframe?

Hehe, parry didnt work bc your hitbox is 2cm higher up than it would be on a flat plane teehee

[summer kettle]

god dont remind me

damned valheim logic

[civic heath]

did you block?

uhhh, no you didnt, your frame rate is too high so the attack hitbox is behind you

[summer kettle]

It just feels like if you get staggered in a game like soulframe you should be able to recover out of it

[civic heath]

frame rate too slow? 0 invis frames for you

Unironicly, stamina was the 1 saving grace of soulsborne

With stamina you can give people tools to get out of something really harsh by just using up half your stamina bar

[summer kettle]

I think theres plenty of redeeming features of the soulsborne games, but yeah. Stamina being so good as a defensive utility made combat feel way smoother

meanwhile in soulframe, the castellan has a lunging hyper tracking golden onlyparryablebyheavyweapons 5 hit combo that will stagger you to death

[civic heath]

removing stamina and arrows was unironicly the worse thing they could have done for ballance

[final rock]

oh yeah arrows existed at some point. bows are absurdly strong rn

[summer kettle]

eh, nah. Bows are unbalanced for a very different reason than infinite ammo

bows are strong cuz they have everything you want in a weapon. high damage, range, on demand stagger

[civic heath]

They should have changed bows to have a 8-10 arrow limit but the arrows regen very slowly

Bows where king of warfare for like 1000 years

[final rock]

people were too busy looking at Brom. a bow isnt far off from Broms capabilities particularly w the arrow storm rune

[summer kettle]

nah no ammo is a better feel for the weapon. They just need to tone down the damage a bunch, and improve the utility of the exploding arrows mechanic

[civic heath]

Range is always better in combat even if you lose out on everything else

[lament seal]

I could see ammo purely for the arrow rain being a thing

[summer kettle]

Its always SAFER. Not necessarily better. But atm, their damage is super high

[civic heath]

Arrow rain needs to be removed

[final rock]

arrow rain is a pact ability on a weapon

[civic heath]

gave bows a whole pact ability level of aoe

[summer kettle]

nah, just make it do a lot less damage and have it be an on demand blanket aoe stagger field you use with the arrow popping mechanic

[civic heath]

it also counteracts the whole, non magical range

[final rock]

also it is an easy smite gen and with the cogah rune decimates everything

[civic heath]

secondary fire with bows should be changed to a detonating stagger arrow that has slow regen ammo

[summer kettle]

and honestly, make it so that popping arrows does damage. Make it so that bow is a ticking time bomb that requires skilled play and set up

[civic heath]

then primary is the infin ammo damage shot

[final rock]

giving bows unique ammo types as their secondary could be cool

particularly for differentiating as ngl every weapon feels real similar to one another

[civic heath]

Issue with arrow rain is that it removes the main purpose of the bow and that is to be the long range skill based weapon

arrow rain is a 0 skill instant stagger free aoe dps spamable

[summer kettle]

I mean you can use the hail at range lol. But yeah, the hail needs a cooldown and a reduction in damage. Gotta keep the ranged options in line with the melee otherwise the balance goes to shit

[final rock]

it could do 1 dmg and itd be as busted as it already is

[civic heath]

I feel like arrow rain would be 1000x more fun if it took 1 second longer to start the rain and the rain was more of a instant spread rather than 1 arrow at a time

[civic heath]

look at oscelda birds

[summer kettle]

trust me... it wouldnt. Phantom Flock is bugged and only does one damage and has thirty times the stagger and it doesnt feel good right now

[civic heath]

no its still insane

[boreal wraith]

Leveling up rat girl seems like such a task, is there a trick to gathering her flowers?

[final rock]

ive been using nothing but bows for the past 2 days. the arrow storm isnt what does the damage

[boreal wraith]

the flowers for her potions

[civic heath]

stagger build up and free spirit pull is so stupid to have on a single button press that can be spammed without a single punishment

[summer kettle]

Its free additional dps while you line up headshots.

[civic heath]

its not

[final rock]

https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Torrent this procs on arrow storm

[tired sail]

Arrow rain procs smite which procs the rune, and arrow rain procs the rune multiple times per attack.

[jolly pumice]

guys what am i choosing a puppy for?

[civic heath]

Arrow storm does 0% of the actual damage with bows, it just stagger locks and gives you constant spirit pull

even with rune

[final rock]

yup

[summer kettle]

IN ANY CASE lol... bows are top tier right now cuz they do too much damage over other options. So they definitively need a looking at from a balance perspective

[wind mesa]

hey does anyone feel like there should be and auto swing for magik

[civic heath]

compare it to the 600 headshot damage the bow can normally do the current arrow rain is a 1:1 replica to oscelda birds

the problem with bows unironicly is the ammo tho since there is 0 punishment for using the high damage longest range weapon

[summer kettle]

oscelda birds are single target, dont do damage (stuck at one cuz of a bug atm) and dont proc smite. Oscelda birds are basically just a worse bestone

[civic heath]

they need to give it cooldowns on arrow rain or change arrow rain to a single detonating arrow

[civic heath]

the birds will stagger a whole boss on their own

even in cogah

[summer kettle]

well, it CAN proc smite, but the chance is super low

[civic heath]

not just that the birds animation cancel all light attacks from EVERYTHING

[summer kettle]

Yeah, its a stun. But its worse than every other pact stun/stagger/cc

[final rock]

do pact abilities work properly in multiplayer now? when not host oscelda felt like its 1 and 3 didnt work in the past.

[summer kettle]

Garren Roods stampede, orengalls wolves, even bestone\

[summer kettle]

Depends on the connection, I find. Sometimes it bugs out and they wont recharge or cast

[final rock]

i hope pacts deviate from doing the same 3 things at some point

[civic heath]

Orengalls wolves are bugged and are supposed to be limited to only 2 at a time

instead you have people running around with like 8-12 of em and each one gives bonus melee damage due to passive

[summer kettle]

Last I checked, they only have two as a limit. Still better cuz they pull aggro

which was last patch when I tried

[civic heath]

They still die in 1-2 hits atm tho

[civic heath]

going in to wolf mode you can summon as many as you like

[summer kettle]

Maybe in cogah, but in normal mode they are pretty tanky

[civic heath]

The whole stagger system is terrible tbh

no hyper armour during animations kinda shards the bed with the stagger

[summer kettle]

I mean unless they bugged out orengall sometime between the thawtide patch and today, being in wolf mode doesnt give you that many wolves

they buffed the wolves in particular and now they scale off courage, they didnt before

yeah, two wolves only

soon as you summon the third the oldest wolf despawns

[civic heath]

Its a bug and it still worked last week when I was messing around with it

this has been a known bug with orengal for a while tbf

[floral bane]

Can you join all the factions or only one?

[autumn musk]

1 at a time

[floral bane]

Dang

[civic heath]

Yeah wolf bug still works if you just wait for the both of the wolves to get staggered you will have 3 for like 10-20 seconds

[dusky iris]

Im trying to level up verminima but only have the two brews available, Ive made a bunch of cloud quewlls but it wont level her

is there some easy recipes i can pick up somewhere?

[final rock]

oh did they get rid of the virtue buff pots?

[warm night]

They moved the recipes to the faction shops. One for each. So if you're missing the potions on your crafting menu, you'll have to go get them back.

[final rock]

ah

[dusky iris]

is there a faction youd recommend levelling first? Im playing primarily with bow

[warm night]

Depending on your rank in your faction, you might be able to pick up a potion recipe now. As for which to level first, whichever one you joined first. You maintain your rank and accumulated points with a faction even when you switch to a different one.

[celest sorrel]

does the founders pack have any exlusives? or will all of it be obtainable in game later

[final rock]

from what i know DE have claimed multiple things regarding that so who knows w some of the details. Wylds and Paragon will be obtainable ingame at some point tho.

[warm night]

None of it will be fully exclusive. Everything will be available to grind out later, but you'll have to find someone who bought the Paragon founder pack to get them to make you a copy of the greatsword.

[civic heath]

Paragon will only be obtainable if someone gives you their copy of it

[frail sierra]

Minus the great sword. The Paragon weapon is the only true exclusive, but Founders will be able to make and give out blueprints for it, so even new folks will be able to get it.

[vivid cliff]

Where are the faction shops? in our Enclaves?

[celest sorrel]

ahh ok ty

[frail sierra]

Yep!

[warm night]

Yes, with whoever your faction leader is. Where you can check your rank should be an option to bring up the shop.

[fast hatch]

what are arrows of birchwood/cahphorwood?

and can u parry with a bow?

[warm night]

The different arrows just refer to specific weapon attacks. Camphorwood means heavy charged shot. Birchwood means your light attack or the arrow hail thing. The arrows have this blue tint to them and explode when you shoot a charged shot at them.

And yes, you can parry with a bow. Same way you would with any other weapon, pressing the block/aim button at the right time.

[fast hatch]

wait FR? damn I didn't know u could parry

[warm night]

If you have the combat art unlocked for it, you even get a riposte attack when you parry.

[opaque ferry]

silly question is their in game way to get the currency to buy thinks in the shop without paying real money

[daring jacinth]

No

[opaque ferry]

ok was just asking

is there anything worth in the shop to buy

[autumn sleet]

weapon slots, pact slots

[daring jacinth]

Everything in the camel shop minus the founders stuff, motifs and the threads for cosmetic transmog can be crafted/found in the game. It all comes down to whether you want to grind for them or just outright buy them.

[bleak hound]

So is there a way to switch to the wolf pact?

[daring jacinth]

Did you buy it?

[bleak hound]

Wolf I meant

[daring jacinth]

Craft it

[bleak hound]

K

[open sail]

what is unidentified item from the mada event?

[fast hatch]

can I use 2 of the same totem in different slots?

[fallen orchid]

Am I the only one struggling to understand the betrayer thing?

[fallen orchid]

I get it... in some contexts

[lethal sky]

@fast hatch In different slots, yes, but not 2 of the same in the same slot, sorry misread you initially

[fallen orchid]

Do you know how to swap pacts?

[bleak hound]

Yes. But I suppose I have to craft it first.

[fast hatch]

so cant have 2 in the same type of slot?

but can have 2 in different categories/types of slots?

[lethal sky]

Let me screenshot it for you, I'm bad at typing it out, I gotchu tho don't worry, be a moment

So here I have 4 slots on my bow, I have the ample totem (the rabbit) equipped everywhere I can, but it won't let me double up and have two amples on the spirit section. I hope this helps ya

[lethal sky]

Am I making sense at all? I hope so

[flat epoch]

should my map be filled with clouds even though I am doing quest?

[dull solar]

Find big (World) trees with a spear in them and remove the spear to remove the fog of war of that region

[civic heath]

there is a smite on hit and smite on charged hit that you can put in blue slot btw

[lethal sky]

Yeah ty for reminding me, I think I have those exact ones equipped too, I was just changing mine around to show the guy who was asking what I was talking about

[fast hatch]

yeah that makes sense ty! what's the most totems in one section u can have on a weapon?

[lethal sky]

I personally wouldn't know but from what I'm able to do so far I'd say 2, and only for one section.

[frigid spoke]

two with a rune. Tne rune allows for the extra totem. Used to be able to slot 2 of the same in the extra rune slot but that was op

[fast hatch]

lol figured

[lethal sky]

Yeah if they allowed two I'd just double up on stagger and permastun my enemies

[dull solar]

Yeah, they probably realized 30% attack speed on greatsword was a bit wacky... 😅

[frigid spoke]

was dbl attack runes

was swish swish n they died

[daring jacinth]

Is the gravitate passive from Ode Tempest broken? Nothing happens when I got to kick, no grappling at all from what I tried.

[fast hatch]

how do we upgrade totems?

[autumn sleet]

from the tent

in nighthold, enhancements

[stray fjord]

Nobody have a soulframes Keys pslss?

I need play this game pspslslslslspslslsll?

[lilac halo]

can anyone tell me how gameplay feels? curious how similar it is to warframe

[supple mortar]

i wish they make the greenbean easy to spot

[silent sleet]

slower then warframe , more soulslike then it but systems act the same

[lilac halo]

ooo I love souls games so that’s a big plus

[frigid spoke]

It's nothing like souls-like. It's just different

[autumn sleet]

what exactly triggers the voltraic rune, is that ust the soul grab thing?

[frigid spoke]

Yeah

Pulling a soul triggers any rune

[jolly pumice]

is bromius pact weak or leveling up will significantly change damage?

i mean leveling pact itself

[frigid spoke]

All pacts get better at 30 vs 1 - 10 or so

[jolly pumice]

i just dont know what pact to get right now can go garren rood bromius and wolf pact

[frigid spoke]

Get them all, doesn't matter, there is no meta, any pact any weapon can do cogah

[jolly pumice]

ok tnx

[frigid spoke]

Just get them to lvl 30 before saying this sux

[jolly pumice]

ok so diffrent question is igne mora good weapon or its just skin of same type long blade?

like is there any diffrense from begining weapon?

[frigid spoke]

Play style, up to you. Again there is no meta just what people like.

er ok so a one star weapon isn't as good as a three star but at lvl 1 they all sux

[jolly pumice]

aha ok tnx

[woeful crest]

Anyone knows the % of dropping qny weapon part from mockeries please ?

[frigid spoke]

rng

[woeful crest]

Because on the wiki only the drop location are shown, no %

[dull solar]

No one knows the % in the loot tables, and DE likes to change them every update / hotfix anyway.

[woeful crest]

Would've been Nice to have the same page as "warframe PC drop" but for soulframe, this page is updated every in-game update

I'm only missing 3 items, 2 of wich only miss 1 fragment, and man am i so unlucky with these

[prime mango]

how does one start cogha and what happens in cogha? i got the potion already just havent used it yet

[woeful crest]

I mean in an entire month i only got one of the 2 Tessard fragments needed

[daring jacinth]

The rate for the mockery blades do seem to be unusually low, I've been playing for a few months and only just got the last of the Stultin and Tessard frags a week ago.

[tired sail]

Boss drop tables change to give you different runes, their normal runes aren't part of their drop tables anymore and I think their regular weapon fragments are also removed