envoy-gathering

[summer axle]

Yeah most of the weapons are pretty solid I’d say aside from a few obvious ones lol

[random prism]

DE apparently knows how to ride that line of realism/fantasy very well, enough that they don't have to use much suspense of disbelief as a copout.

[winter steeple]

the only thing i can think of thats outside of what would be function in world is the paragon itself, just because its enormous

[random prism]

And size can be pretty easily handwaved with supernatural strength. Sure, mass is an issue, but can be accounted for by how you swing, and the GS combo is largely circular in vague motions.

[winter steeple]

i do kinda wish they'd reduce the blade thickness with it tho

[random prism]

True, it's a bit slab-y.

[winter steeple]

its just so thick

[random prism]

Not so much unrealistic as... unaesthetic.

I like swinging a sword, not a giant iron bar.

Even Guts's sword came to an edge.

Paragon comes to a... semi-rounded wedge.

Doesn't have good edge geometry modelled.

[winter steeple]

yeah, even a cleaving great sword should feel like a refined tool, like a dull bludgeon

[summer axle]

Bonk moment lol

[winter steeple]

its got... an edge...

technically

[summer axle]

Yeah seems papercut worthy 💀

[random prism]

Again, semi-rounded wedge.

[winter steeple]

but seriously, thats gotta be like 2 inches of solid steel

[random prism]

I could rub my finger all across that and not get cut at all.

[summer axle]

Yup lmao

[random prism]

It just doesn't come to enough of a point to be sharp.

[winter steeple]

and as we all know, 2 inches is pretty big actually. maybe too big

[random prism]

Needs better tapering.

[summer axle]

The thickest flat grind that ever grinded lol

[random prism]

Alora sung this into being. Nowhere did the lore say that she was good at singing.

[winter steeple]

imagine it was a rap song

"Thicc Ass Sword, ft Enimen"

[solid fable]

does anyone have a picture of the old tines?

[winter steeple]

what

[summer axle]

I think the only other sword that looks a bit finicky to me is the cenotaph, and I guess that’s because it’s supposed to look all messed up

[winter steeple]

yeah, thats intentiona;

[tawdry owl]

if we could get a warframe melee weapon which would you like to see? Honestly I think the classic Skana would be a great little cross over

[summer axle]

Maybe Grinn too cause of the weird dual tiny thin blades it’s got going for it

[tawdry owl]

I ask because of the soulframe skin you can get

[winter steeple]

Paracesis

[summer axle]

But it’s not that bad

[random prism]

I'd make a Fate reference but idk how many people would get it. Something something, Ea being a conceptual 'sword' forged before said concept was fully realized, looking nothing like a sword but possessing the qualities of one nonetheless.

[winter steeple]

because eternalism

[tawdry owl]

the paragon reminds me a lot of that one

[random prism]

Grinn's main blade is honestly not too thin to be used as a stabbing implement.

And the back spike thingy, should it be semi-thick, should sort of hold up.

It's not that big of a stretch. I'd largely use the back edge for utility tho.

Given that it has saw teeth.

[winter steeple]

i thought of it like a seatbelt cutter sort of function

[summer axle]

Yeah that’s why I’m like it’s not the worst one but it’s GETTING there xD

[random prism]

It's very mall ninja but wouldn't immediately shatter.

[summer axle]

If anything it’d most likely just bend

[winter steeple]

made to catch and shred through shrubbery perhaps

[summer axle]

Or snap depending on heat treatment

[random prism]

I'm more offended by how daggers are all held in reverse-grip.

Cus that doesn't mean the blade is stupid.

[summer axle]

But bro they gotta have that COOOOOL factor

[random prism]

It means that I am the idiot here.

[summer axle]

Lmao

[winter steeple]

sometimes, the envoy switches to handshake grip to use them, depending on the animation type

[tawdry owl]

Don't tell David

[summer axle]

I think it’s funny they’re reverse grip until you heavy attack with them

Despite realistically if you wanted to hit heavier you would stab in reverse grip to use your body more efficiently lol

[random prism]

Reverse grip, for the person who says 'man, I hate having all this reach and leverage, what if I held this like an idiot?'

[winter steeple]

discord doesnt have a "And I'm clark" gif... dissappointing

[lost grove]

Does anyone have a rank 0 Precklies, Thistle, Gwylen, Wulder, The Starling, Cobladh, The Alder, Esthelle, or Thrice Spurns they can check the stagger stat of?

[winter steeple]

i mean, for smaller knives, it has its uses, but most of the daggers (which arent daggers btw) in SF are too long to take advantage of it

[tawdry owl]

So glad someone got this 😭

[summer axle]

No sorry ;-; I grinded so much yesterday tho I’m actually proud af I got from rank 15 to 17 xD

[random prism]

For certain stabs yeah, but when knife fighting you're normally holding it normally anyway.

Cus holding it reverse has like, one use, and holding it normal has many.

When using anything that can be called a dagger and used in armored combat, you ain't holding that reverse.

[tawdry owl]

maybe we're just so good that we use reverse grip to make the fight harder

[random prism]

Unless you've tackled someone to the ground.

It'd be cool if we held it like normal but flipped it to reverse for crit animations.

But nah, full mall ninja.

[young sun]

nah if you're holding a knife to an armored combat you'd better hold it in reverse

[winter steeple]

technically speaking, only Virdigris and nettle are daggers

[young sun]

just get up close and personal

[winter steeple]

Witan doesnt even have a visible edge, its basically a rondel

A dagger is a short blade, with 2 symmetrical edges

[random prism]

Man, you know what I would love to see, just cus you hardly ever do even in games focused around such things?

An estoc, an actual one. No edge, triangle geometry, pure stab.

Big boy rapier for punching through plate.

[winter steeple]

considering it took several years just to get a rapier and a saber... dont hold your breath

i want whips and punch weapons

you can punch as is by discarding a melee weapon, but its real real bad

whips could have crazy aoe weapon potential

[random prism]

Estocs were like an iron bar designed to be a needle, it was great.

Specifically rigid and unsharpened, just 300% punch.

Literally rapier but for very big boys.

Many didn't even have flat profiles but instead triangular for more strength and a better tip.

At which point it's just a fancy pointed iron bar.

Also allowed for half-swording very effectively.

Given that you could grip it literally anywhere.

[summer axle]

This would be so cool, I lost my crap when I picked up the one in dark souls xD

Just chilling there in new londo ruins unassumingly

[random prism]

Also I think something weird was just happening last I tried Garren Rood. I haven't changed stats at all but Stampede is suddenly doing good damage even to like, level 40 heavy units.

I saw estoc and was disappointed it was just a fancy saber.

I wanted the pointy iron bar.

The pointy iron bar amuses me.

[steady wyvern]

trying to do an Organ and uhhh

the Banneret glitched under the floor.

[summer axle]

xD yeah and then you also have the “scythe” which is just a bardiche

[summer axle]

I guess they felt like digging a hole lol

[pearl beacon]

They had an older appearance from 2023? 😮

[steady wyvern]

they're just GONE.

the doors won't open.

[random prism]

I would've appreciated a scythe in a combat config, like with the blade rotated 90 degrees to make a peasant's polearm.

But nah yeah that was literally just a bardiche.

At no point did it spend time as a farming tool.

[summer axle]

Yeah xD there was the great scythe I guess but yeah farmers config not a polearm really

Not a lot of media shows you can even rotate a scythe

[steady wyvern]

ok well that's enough Soulframe for today 💀

[random prism]

Yet that is how they were always used in combat, it was just a peasant's easy weapon they had lying around when they were conscripted as fodder. Undo the blade, rotate it so it faces up, attach it again, you got a derpy polearm, poke them with the sharp end.

And yet you never see that represented.

Instead you got people swinging farming equipment at each other.

[summer axle]

Yeah xD I learned early age cause my dad had a scythe and usually kept it in the polearm config I saw it when I was like 7 and was like “dad what is that” I lost my mind when he showed me it rotated to create a grim reaper scythe 😂😂😂

[random prism]

Almost as bad as people treating nun-chucks as an actual weapon.

Not quite, cus that is a bar to meet. But comparable.

[summer axle]

I absolutely despise nun chuks xD

Blunt force trauma yourself the weapon

[random prism]

Not only that, but police forces, even some in the US, have used nunchucks to great effect before.

As a submission tool. Because they're bad at actually hurting people.

Even when you hit with them correctly.

[steady wyvern]

The Rook is a weird weapon to me

[random prism]

There's just not enough transfer of force and you'd literally be better off with a stick.

[summer axle]

I just remember someone comparing the actual force you can get from them compared to an actual stick and it was laughable, you lose so much power just because it’s attached via a chain and not rigid

Yeah

Bro we’re on the same wave length and I love it lmao

[random prism]

Rook is a funny design, my only gripe being that a concave hammer is literally the worst possible design you could make one in.

Since it does the exact opposite of how you want force to be distributed.

But if you hit with the tip, it'd work I guess.

[summer axle]

Traffic cone on a stick 🙂

Yeah it’s a weird shape isn’t it

It’s like conical leading into some sort of flanged mace

[random prism]

It's mildly concave, which means it'd wrap around someone as you hit them and split the force over a larger area of impact.

[summer axle]

But like internally flanged xD

[random prism]

Which is... the exact opposite of what a hammer should do.

[summer axle]

Yeah there’s not much of a point of impact for it

[random prism]

You hit with the flanged tip or you might as well have not hit really.

[summer axle]

I.. yeah.. nah I can’t imagine that being very effective as a hammer xD

[random prism]

It's like, Marrow's Bane. That is nonsensical, but I like it. It is sharp, it would cut things, it just looks a bit goofy. It wouldn't work well given certain considerations, but it follows basic blade design.

[red star]

How I can get a playtest key for the game?

[random prism]

Rook just does... everything wrong for a hammer, and has nothing much to gain for it.

Ha ha, funny chess piece.

[simple mason]

The pinned message in this channel has details on how to get access

You can also watch the Envoy Hour stream tomorrow with a linked account to receive access as a Twitch Drop

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[random prism]

Grinn, Marrow's Bane, Gathannan, hell even Nurash. All of those are fantastical, but still look good. They are still bladed, the blades follow basic logic even when bent into fantastical shapes, so it's a stretching of realism rather than a denial of it.

Rook doesn't meet that, it's just... kind of derpy.

[winter steeple]

rook is just a worse version of the gath banana

[red star]

I need to buy founder pack absolutely?

[summer axle]

Literally grind off the head and you’d have a chess piece omg wait.. dude that’s why it’s called rook I actually can’t believe I hadn’t noticed that LMAO

[random prism]

Hell, Ivor, reaslistically, would be goofy as hell, but it's at least still a blade in a vaguely usable profile.

[simple mason]

No, just signing up puts you in the pool to be invited every week, and watching the stream tomorrow with a linked account will get you access without needing to purchase a Founder pack as well

[random prism]

If they just straightened it out it'd be fine, rather than the lance head they gave it that tapers into flanges.

I'm pretty sure I've seen straight rook pieces before.

[summer axle]

Yeah it reminds me of some flamberge tbh but definitely functional from a blade pov

[solid fable]

they did but it stuck around for a while, i can't remember exactly when it changed, but it was fairly early
i don't have a picture handy though

[random prism]

Rostrum would shatter but it's still in a very usable shape. Again, stretches realism without denying it.

[pearl beacon]

I wanna hunt them down! do mods happen to have a way of seeing the content of the Preludes discord? There will be a pic in there, but sadly it is no longer visible as an archive for players 😔

[random prism]

Yeah I'm still sad about that.

[solid fable]

i haven't checked, but i believe it might be visible from early videos showing the torment stag

[simple mason]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215773042408554506/1215773043444416532/Screenshot_2024-03-07_104739.png?ex=6a0249e1&is=6a00f861&hm=60ebfbec47f2341e6a413717f989aac59c7e678e3b7ece241b9e39b9b0ff99e0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1141&height=570

[solid fable]

there we go

[random prism]

Honestly I like those more lol.

I'm a sucker for concave blades and those certainly look more functional.

I actually really like that, at least far more than what it is now.

[pearl beacon]

those look so nice with fellust wrapped around them hahaha

[random prism]

I wonder why they got rid of that design, a bit sad.

[simple mason]

The current ones are better for their moveset, the old model is good but kind of too bulky for fast dual blades

[winter steeple]

probably in favor of the royal tines

[random prism]

Eh, we have clivers, they can be a bit chunky.

[simple mason]

This design coming back for a different Garren themed weapon would be nice though

[winter steeple]

Orengall still doesnt have a weapon btw

[pearl beacon]

those are the royal tines! It's just their original appearance before they were changed

[pearl beacon]

Soon tm

[random prism]

Now that is an abomination lmao.

[solid fable]

i don't know anything about practical weapon wielding, but the old tines didn't look "right" to me, considering which way it swings

[winter steeple]

my hot take is that some of our primaries could be secondaries, which would help balance things. theres like 700 primary weapons and like 6 secondaries

[indigo plinth]

Bruh. I managed to defeat Seige Mirifuir in Cogah but there's this warning that I am fleeing from battle.

[solid fable]

my personal opinion is still just get rid of secondaries 🥹
but that's just an opinion, of course

[simple mason]

Did you burn the balloon?

[winter steeple]

but youd only get to have 1 weapon then

[random prism]

I have a feeling that a secondary will become more necessary as the game goes forward and enemies start having actual damage resistances applied to them.

[indigo plinth]

Yes. I did. This happened to me back in Prelud 12 during Kearnhold Seige.

[random prism]

That and it justifies certain weapon types, like flyblades, which would never make it as an only weapon.

Not even remotely.

[simple mason]

I like the main/sidearm split, would prefer if sidearm and main weapons with the same grip type had distinct animation sets

[winter steeple]

yeah, flyblades are... not good on their own

[solid fable]

that's what i prefer, personally

[random prism]

It would also hurt GS a lot to not have something to yeet at ranged targets.

The balance is better like this.

They can get more creative in how specialized something is.

[solid fable]

flyblades not being good by themselves is a solvable problem

[pearl beacon]

I think it would hurt bow fantasy to only be allowed to equip 1 weapon

historically bowmen always carried a sidearm like a dagger or shortsword (I know because it's what the voices tell me)

when they first added sidearms it felt like bows became a whole lot more fun for me because of that

[random prism]

Also just having 0 melee attacks cus you have a bow sounds oof.

[winter steeple]

The Aqex would like to introduce itself.

[solid fable]

i feel the opposite, at least when it comes to gameplay
i feel like i've been through this a few times, but the archer/ranger fantasy doesn't have to have multiple weapons

with sidearms, you don't really get to "specialise", because the default is to be a hybrid of some kind

[random prism]

Well yeah, the one exception. My point is that a two weapon system allows for more specialization and variety.

Cus you can account for shortcomings with another weapon, thus said shortcomings are still viable to have.

Certainly helps push weapons away from generic utility.

As such would be needed in a one-weapon system.

[winter steeple]

i dont think the game should force specialization tbh

you can lean in to any set up.

[solid fable]

i'm not saying it should be forced

[winter steeple]

but it would be if we could only hold 1 weapon

[solid fable]

right now, being a hybrid is heavily favoured

[winter steeple]

if my only weapon is a bow, then i have to specialize in the bow. at least with 2 weapons, you can just to speciaize in 1 weapon type, like pairing The Alder with Esthelle, or you can hybridize, like pairing Odiac with Duhk Halic

[solid fable]

i guess what i mean is, it doesn't have to be narrow even if you only have one weapon

[winter steeple]

what do you mean

[solid fable]

you can have enough depth in a single weapon type to be interesting and viable
like before we had sidearms, or bows for that matter, the melee throw was basically the only ranged attack we had

[random prism]

The problem with a one-weapon system is like, what do you do against fast melee enemies with a bow? What do you do against fast ranged enemies, especially flyers, with a GS? These weapons are allowed to be specialized because you can use a backup for coverage. This will only become more true once damage types and enemy resistances become relevant, as people'll probably take those into account when selecting a pair of weapons.

[solid fable]

i'd have liked it if that direction was developed more

[random prism]

The very fact that we have two weapons allows weapons to more safely be specialized, as well as enemies.

Since we have the tools to account for such.

Without it being an objective detriment.

[solid fable]

and i'm just saying that it would have been more interesting if we didn't go this direction

it's not an impossible problem to solve

[winter steeple]

i feel like that notion breaks down when you factor in enemy diversity. like sure, any weapon can defeat any enemy, but why force people to use a suboptimal tool, when you could just allow them to carry multiple tools

some weapons will be better against some enemies, no matter what you do

[random prism]

In a one-weapon system, what was most generically applicable would inevitably rise to be considered the objective best.

Because it effectively would be.

[solid fable]

the thought behind it a while ago was that you bring party members or tough it out

[random prism]

Polearms would suddenly be just better than Greatswords, for instance.

Single shortblades better than bows for ranged play.

[winter steeple]

party members aren't always an option, and toughing it out is not fun.

[solid fable]

this is not inevitable in my eyes...

[young sun]

I've been getting nothing but falx in the organ T-T

[random prism]

Mood, lol.

[solid fable]

yes, it's not that relevant any more, but balance can still be solved, in my opinion

[winter steeple]

tbh, if i had my way, id prefer a 3 weapon system like in warframe. it would fit with Soulframe's "rule of three" thing, and it would allow so much build diverity

[random prism]

What, two primaries and a secondary? That's a lot of juggling lol.

I think the two-weapon system here is fine for coverage, as it still allows some give and take to exist.

But also allows the player to be flexible enough that weapon and enemy specialization is possible.

With two weapons, the player can no longer just be hard countered.

[winter steeple]

You'd get 1 heavy weapon (greatsword, polearm, bow), 1 medium weapon (staff or longblade, etc), and 1 small weapon, (wrist caster or a shortblade)

[random prism]

Soft countered, perhaps, which would become incredibly unlikely with a 3 weapon system.

[solid fable]

again, it's just my opinion, but i feel that weapons become less interesting, and less "deep" if you can just bring secondaries

[young sun]

I'd prefer the main hand + offhand weapon system

[winter steeple]

yeah i think the system as-is is fine, but personally id prefer 3

[winter steeple]

thats... thats what we have?

[young sun]

not really what I meant

I mean like dual wielding kinda thing

[winter steeple]

thats a very different ask

[random prism]

Nah let me have a polearm primary and a sword secondary like some jank version of Gandalf.

[leaden breach]

Is this Votive bugged for anyone else? I can't get the Mendicant King to "activate" no matter how many times i make the bell toll.

[random prism]

But yeah that would just need a complete redo of the combat system.

[winter steeple]

that would be like BG3's equipment system, where you have two hand, but some weapons will use both of them

[winter steeple]

relog?

[solid fable]

i'd rather we just go the DMC route and let us switch to any weapon at all mid-combo if we're doing multiple weapons anyway 🥹

[winter steeple]

Thats the total opposite of what you said earlier!

[random prism]

That'd also be an entirely different pace and combat system lol.

I like the simple, souls-esque combos we have now, keeps the pace moderate and strategic.

[leaden breach]

A relog doesn't abandon the Votive?

[solid fable]

no, my preference is one weapon, but failing that, i want them all

[random prism]

I don't want this becoming a hack 'n slash.

Would be the same as WF going from tactical shooter to 3D Diablo.

[winter steeple]

just hot swapping from Gath Banana to Odiac to Thrice Spurns to Navalha

psychotic level of task switching there

[winter steeple]

nope

[leaden breach]

That i didn't know. Will try it next time, Thanks!

[winter steeple]

Also, how come no ode armor?

[random prism]

Okey yeah, trying Rood's pact out again, I have no clue what my earlier issue was. I had the same Grace I had now, 15, and Stampede was doing 1s against level 30 enemies. Now I'm throwing it at level 35+ and it's wiping regular units, sometimes heavy too.

Something fky was going on but it's working fine now.

And feels pretty damn nice.

[winter steeple]

Rood is op, but it used to be even stronger

[random prism]

Yeah it's in a great place right now, just several days ago I tried it and Stampede was basically nonfunctional.

And I now do not know what was making that happen.

[summer axle]

I hope they fix the none host glitch with rood soon

[winter steeple]

heres my thing, can we just get rid of those annoying hidden virtue caps, now that attunment itself is capped?

[summer axle]

Should just be a simple serverside calc fix I assume

[random prism]

I hope they fix Orengall crashing people in multiplayer.

[summer axle]

Wait there’s a virtue cap?

[winter steeple]

EXACTLY

[random prism]

Not for me but my friend uses that as their main pact, and when they play it's usually with me.

So it's been making them not play.

[random prism]

Charged attacks still scale beyond the normal cap, yes? Like fully charged heavies and bow shots and perfect throws.

[winter steeple]

i dunno

[grave granite]

Do you wevetseeds actually stack? I read that the cap is 100, but it doesn't work this way for me. For example I had 3 seeds, picked up 5 in the tree and my total became 5.

[random prism]

Cus that's always been the case unless P14 changed it.

[random prism]

You picked up 2.

[solid fable]

picking up a seed should show you your total

[winter steeple]

but i think its silly that weapons have a secret number where they just stop accepting additional virtue scaling

[random prism]

The number is your new total, not what you just picked up.

[grave granite]

Ok ok thanks!

[random prism]

Same happens with other stuff too, like the joinery message on the top of your screen.

Though I wish I picked up 12 at once earlier, lol.

[winter steeple]

i hope they let us craft them in the future

at least once and twice blessed ones

[random prism]

I hope they let us craft them up into thrice.

Cus I have giant piles of useless joineries.

And enough thrice that I need nothing else.

Farming them is pretty dang easy.

[winter steeple]

now that your weapon level doesnt get reset, one blessed are just useless

(DE DO NOT REVERT THAT CHANGE PLEASE IM BEGGING ON MY HANDS AND KNEES)

[random prism]

I'm still wandering what kind of unique effects joineries will get when they have them again.

Cus if they don't plan on doing that, there's no point to their being more than one kind.

[winter steeple]

i think the old joinery buff are getting moved to another system

[random prism]

Which is why I expect there will be eventually.

[random prism]

Even if so, I expect the joineries to get something unique again.

[steady wyvern]

still need to rank up my bromius and orengall

[random prism]

Otherwise, again, no point in having more than one kind, and especially no point in Gildaur existing.

[solid fable]

i'm expecting about 2/3 of the joinery types to disappear

[steady wyvern]

but I'm worried they won't be able to keep up with the higher, 20+ levels with the builds I have currently

[random prism]

They've already shown they can convert joineries into other joineries with the update, I think this would've happened already.

If such was the plan.

[winter steeple]

Yeah, just give us Azur, Crimson, and Verdant joineries,

[solid fable]

it wouldn't be the first time things didn't happen all at once 😉

[winter steeple]

i wish i could just send Steve Sinclair a list of changes i want in soulframe lol

[random prism]

There'd be no reason to wait this time though, as they already have the capability.

[winter steeple]

"Dear Mr. Extremes,

No crossbow? Fix immediately."

fr tho why do we not have crossbows

we have a gun... kinda

[random prism]

Can't wait for the gunflail lmao.

[solid fable]

i'm not saying i know what's happening behind the scenes, but to my casual eyes, it does seem like compressing the joinery bloat further is something that can happen

it was mentioned when they were changed with p14 that the goal was simplification i think

[random prism]

It makes sense why Alca doesn't. Bows do what a crossbow does but better in literally every way except the skill level required, so unless you raise a giant peasant army where that becomes a concern, their development isn't really relevant.

[winter steeple]

I just wish that the different joinery had different icons

[winter steeple]

not necessarily

bows are faster

[thorny tide]

Je commence mon aventure

I begin my experience

[winter steeple]

tres bien
(mods, that means very good, dont worry)

[random prism]

And hit harder, and have vastly more effective range.

The harder part is also way harder.

A bow does everything a crossbow does but better. Crossbows are just simple to aim and shoot.

And then take all day reloading.

[winter steeple]

But, crossbows have their own benefits

they can be loaded before hand, that can have much higher draw weights, and they can be aimed without strain

[random prism]

Problem: much shorter stroke.

[winter steeple]

thats what she said

[random prism]

A crossbow had the same actual force in its shot bolt of a bow of half its draw weight, perhaps even less.

[random prism]

Lmao.

[winter steeple]

but theres one huge benefit youre overlooking

[solid fable]

keep it clean, please

[winter steeple]

a small crossbow can be used one handed

[winter steeple]

i always do

[random prism]

Any crossbow that can be used one-handed never existed in actual combat though, as it wouldn't have the force to actually threaten anyone. Not remotely enough stopping power to matter in any situation involving making someone not kill you when they're determined.

That's just a fantasy thing.

[solid fable]

it's not a joke, i don't want to have to hand out a formal warning

[random prism]

That's what she said jokes not allowed, understood.

[winter steeple]

there were smaller crossbows designed for hunting that were one handed, plys the game already (kinda) has shuriken, which weren't typically lethal

[random prism]

I figured that was pretty pg13 though.

[winter steeple]

I don't think i said anything inappropriate personally

[random prism]

Magically-propelled, but yeah, throwing knives are hilariously nonlethal.

[winter steeple]

my point is that we can still have unorthadox weaponry

hell, the point of great swords was more about area denial than actually hitting the enemy lol

[random prism]

Yeah, I was just pointing out that from a realistic standpoint, I can see why Alca never invented the crossbow.

Cus I don't see them having the need that drove that innovation.

At least not enough of one to counter the downsides, it just doesn't bother me any.

[winter steeple]

i could see it being a sailor's weapon tho...

[random prism]

That is a point.

[winter steeple]

if only there was an update for sailing content in the works...

[random prism]

But is that enough of a demand to get someone to invent something entirely new?

Perhaps, but my point has been made.

We did see concept art of an Ode crossbow tho.

So eventually.

I do find it funny that the Ode saw Alcan bows and are like 'hah, peasants, I can do better' and then made an asymmetrical bow in Blitzel.

[winter steeple]

picture this, youre a sailor aboard the some rickety old vessel, and you hear a tale of a captain who can conjure a weapon from nothing, and blast a foe straight to the silvern sea with it. Now you, a sailor with no fey blood can't have that, but you've also heard about a kind of hand bow, that can save a shot, and be fired, one handed, at the blink of an eye.

[random prism]

Despite already having crossbows and compound bows in their arsenal.

[winter steeple]

also, climbing up and down ropes, holding a bottle of rum, and shaking hands with Davy Jones all require a hand, meaning a one handed weapon becomes even more useful

also the whole hook hand thing, but i doubt soulframe would include that

[random prism]

I mean yeah, but not every sailor is an inventor, and having them just deal with it is easier than someone somewhere inventing the crossbow.

There is demand, just not enough of it that Alca having not made it yet isn't realistic.

[winter steeple]

oh sure, but i don't thinks its implausible that the technology would have made its way to alcan shores by now

and most importantly... I want it

I want it bad

[random prism]

Well yeah, but I was just speaking as is, from lore. We're definitely getting at least one crossbow.

Again, at the very least an Ode one. That much was already shown.

[winter steeple]

Will it feature the Ajex's signature backwards arrows?

[ruby flare]

Guys can anyone play or do we have to be invited?

[winter steeple]

both of those things are true

[random prism]

Backwards?

Was that a bug they fixed? I just tried it and they shoot the right way.

[winter steeple]

yeah, when it first released it shot backwards arrows

[random prism]

Making an account means you're already in a raffle that happens every wednesday, that's just down to luck.

But you can also get a guaranteed key by watching the stream on the 12th for half an hour.

As well as any other Soulframe stream like it.

The closest one is just like, tomorrow.

[ruby flare]

thanks man ur a legend

[ruby flare]

I'll watch it for sure. Where can I watch the stream?

[random prism]

Lmao.

[winter steeple]

twitch.tv

[random prism]

Check the events in the top left, just a twitch stream.

[pearl beacon]

plus the dendrit crossbow that was shown as well!

[unique viper]

Well the people of midrath probably had flint locks because the mestra uses one. So they must have through about designing a crossbow before that. Bow are simply better for armies. A good example of this is a battle against the french and the english. The french were completely overwhelmed by the amount of arrows being shot

[winter steeple]

but why does it look so ugly?

[random prism]

I mean have you seen early crossbows? Lol.

[winter steeple]

its got no grip

[random prism]

But when do we get a repeating one a la chu-ko-nu, the original repeating weapon.

Which was... not that great of a weapon due to wild inaccuracy and lacking penetration.

[unique viper]

Yes please

That’s sound really cool

We need one

[random prism]

It was lever action and top-mounted magazine fed.

The lever was up and down, on the back.

[pearl beacon]

It reminds me of the crossbow from Fable TLC so I love it for that

[random prism]

This made the crossbow... sway, heavily.

And the bolts had to be small, and the stroke was even shorter than usual for a crossbow.

[unique viper]

Gut’s repeater crossbow

[random prism]

It was eventually ditched by the chinese military and used sometimes for home defense.

Very neat idea tho, for a very early version of something.

For basic shape, probably didn't look precisely like that.

Just the first image I found.

But yeah you had to fan the lever. Not very helpful in keeping on target.

[winter steeple]

could work as a stationary "ballista" type structure the envoy could comandeer

particularly as an element of a siege

"Rend the Re-peater from Ode'n grasp and rain death upon the Banneret"

[random prism]

I mean, as you went up in size the lever would just have more and more weight behind it, the design itself was flawed.

At that point it'd be better redesigned into a crank-operated system.

Cus a mounted weapon doesn't have to care about being heavier on one side, or heavy in general.

Cus you're not holding it.

[winter steeple]

yeah

im imagining the H-09 tank from Hollvania, and how its phase transition has you turn the machine gun on itself

great boss fight imo

[mild schooner]

Guys when they give us some code so we can try the game

[winter steeple]

tomorrow, the 12th

[mild schooner]

How they give it to us

So i prepare

[winter steeple]

you gotta link your twitch account to your soulframe account

[mild schooner]

Yeah i already link it

[solid fable]

this news post should have all the info you need: #soulframe-news message

[winter steeple]

then just watch and claim

[solid fable]

except for the specific stream, of course

[mild schooner]

Ohhhh ok thx guys for helping me

[solid fable]

best of luck 🙏

[mild schooner]

U to my brother

[winter steeple]

I don't like the current rune system

not becuase they are weak, but because they don't feel significant

its one attack, or a brief duration of something underwhelming.

its probably better than before, where getting a smite just meant you win

but i think theres a middle ground in there

[silver obsidian]

Hey, i'd gotten an invite a while back, how do i know if i still have access?

[winter steeple]

by signing in to your account

[solid fable]

access doesn't expire, so if you had an invite before, you should still have access now

[silver obsidian]

So if i can download it, that's how i know or? Coz not seeing any other clear indication 😅

[solid fable]

if you head to this page: https://www.soulframe.com/user
it should tell you near the top if you have "Access Enabled"

actually, i'm not sure if it's still there since it changed recently, but it should be somewhere on the account management page

[sterile wraith]

Wyld Wulder When?

Also hello!

[winter steeple]

Why

[sterile wraith]

Why not?

[tight zealot]

wait we gonna get crossbows?

[daring magnet]

anyone find a way into turret jotar?

[pearl beacon]

In early P14 it was possible, but that was hotfixed and it's now inaccessible until its siege gets released

[nocturne yew]

[broken gulch]

alola

[copper lintel]

yoo guys how can i contact a mod ? i did sent a message to modmail but still no response

[simple mason]

Modmail only gets responses during weekdays as those go directly to the DE community team but if you need a mod I might be able to help

[copper lintel]

alright thanks, can i send you a dm about it

[tender cape]

Was it? Didn't know about that, but was there any playable content related to the siege, even if just the siege boss or something, or was the area simply accessible?

[simple mason]

Sure!

[pearl beacon]

Was it?

It was yes #envoy-gathering message

was there any playable content related to the siege

Sort of, just accidentally pushed to live build #1495071048155267325 message

[tender cape]

Ok, I see, thanks.

[winter steeple]

can someone explain to me how this new mockery minigame is supposed to work?

[simple mason]

Hit the button when the circle is in the green zone

[winter steeple]

what green zone

[golden lagoon]

The ring animates from smallest to largest and back. There's a sweet spot in the middle that has different colouring. Press input in that zone.

[winter steeple]

i must be going blind

[golden lagoon]

You could select the votive for it, but it would resolve to nothing: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495071048155267325

[winter steeple]

i see it now, but man that does not seem very clear

[golden lagoon]

welp.. articulate it and go throw it in feedback.

[winter steeple]

im putting together a more eloquent list of changes, additions and subtractions id like to see in the game, so i'll add it to that

another for the list, weapon arts being tied to mastering individual weapons is a messy system, that is inherently unbalanced. Instead, it should be like focus schools in warframe, where you earn points for the art tree by getting kills with that grip type, until you fill the tree out.

So, regardless of level, killing enemies with a Shortblade would have a 3-5% chance to give you 1 art point for the shortblade skill tree

Or have every 30 kills or so give an art point, doesn't really matter

you could track your progress then, in your journal

[golden lagoon]

I see the "how to give feedback" posts somehow got unpinned again. oh, discord...

[white otter]

O they did?

Welp...

[hidden sigil]

I took a bit if a break and came back recently now I can't find any sparrow takes..is there a way to fix this?

[golden lagoon]

If that was you, Lychee, you're a star

[solid fable]

they should be given from the world trees now

[hidden sigil]

Oooh okay I will take a look when i log back in thankyou so much!

[fervent bloom]

yeah from the trees when you first log in and after the first you can get it close to the last one you finished from the green ghost looking guy

[twin yew]

isn't 5 virtues on a weapon meant to become golden

[white otter]

spirit is bugged yes

[desert shore]

The wait for new content is hurting my heart 😞

[white otter]

one thing.
get used to it or become more patient

[desert shore]

😞 patients? never met her..

[frosty ore]

this is why you get a few backup games so you're not just playing the new content and just waiting for updates when you do everything you can at that point in the game.
(also helps with keeping burnout low)

[desert shore]

I’ve resorted to running around with people to help them in my lonely time

[desert shore]

Of course!

Been playing pragmata, definitely recommend for a little story swirl

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day Envoys, Founders, Paragons and Stevens.

[desert shore]

Hello

[ripe grotto]

Upset Ode noises

[dapper gorge]

I said what I said.

[ripe grotto]

And they wonder why we invaded your planet... 😒

[desert shore]

Cause it’s gas.. duh..

[frosty ore]

here's a long forgotten fact: you're not going to be sent to the deepest pits of hell for playing an offline game on a low difficulty.

[desert shore]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-blasphemy-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638722

[ripe grotto]

Naah, there's an even worse place waiting for you...

[frosty ore]

I paid for the game I play it as i see fit.

[desert shore]

If the game doesn’t have a difficulty slider that’s okay, but if it does. You ALWAYS slam it

In my case : )

[frosty ore]

^ streamer propaganda

[ripe grotto]

No! Stop having fun! Live up to the pointless and abitrary standards we have set! >_<

[desert shore]

I’ve been a streamer since 07 then LOL

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-wurtz-how-about-i-do-anyway-earth-historyof-japan-gif-15407596

🙂

[ripe grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sun-is-a-deadly-lazer-gif-8691250

[frosty ore]

^ mora when someone calls her weak

[desert shore]

My favorite part about games like soul/warframe is you can take any path you please and will eventually end up at the same point as everyone else

(As long as you don’t spam the same thing forever)

[ripe grotto]

Have you ever looked up at the sun (in Soulframe) and noticed that Mora is basically eating Saphene 😮

[desert shore]

I only look up when sky go red

[frosty ore]

mora has to do that or else iridis steps in.
remember the last time mora and saphene fought?

[ripe grotto]

I bet Saphene won, she's way hotter!

[frosty ore]

literally lol

[ripe grotto]

Yes xD

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[urban plover]

Hello, I didnt play Soulframe yet but I wanted to ask if its similar to warframe with modding to get better and build creative builds?

[white otter]

in this game modding isn't the main way to get stronger

not that there really is "modding". just 3 different types of weapon upgrades

[frosty ore]

Almost thought they wanted to mod soulframe...
-# thankfully i was wrong about that

[white otter]

wyld

[devout raptor]

Its not there yet. There's some light building currently but nothing like warframes depth yet

[merry swan]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-ai-asksuratkedi-q7kPWRwTKZgmZ7Kptx

[frosty ore]

you know who else is getting a haircut

[merry swan]

like his?

[frosty ore]

you! ✂️

[merry swan]

😲

https://giphy.com/gifs/animal-meme-kevin-cat-hart-0fhWZy2571BZouoJ1t

[white otter]

was boutta say avakot

tho avakot wouldn't get a haircut. he'd be put thru a paper shredder machine thing

[frosty ore]

woodchipper

[white otter]

mmm

[frosty ore]

only and true option

[white otter]

good option

[analog plover]

https://tenor.com/view/smoothie-shake-blender-shaking-shaun-the-sheep-gif-11664134

[frosty ore]

yea but then you'd have to get an avakot size blender (not cheap btw)

[analog plover]

throw my flyblades into a ode box

[frosty ore]

i mean at that point i'd throw him into one of those grinders

[burnt cave]

Good luck

[plush rose]

I am back bois

[maiden coral]

wb

[cursive atlas]

Hi back! 😄

[stuck linden]

if i unequip my secondary, does my primary get more shared XP?

[sharp beacon]

weapons dont share xp

[maiden coral]

i think whatever weapon you're holdin

[sharp beacon]

only the weapon out gets xp

[stuck linden]

ah

[sharp beacon]

pacts always get xp as they are always out

[ripe grotto]

Some actions does share exp, like Charming Animals. But I think it's just a flat exp to all equip items, it doesn't share from an overall pool

Would be easier to tell, if we could actually see the Exp numbers for our weapons 😛

[cursive atlas]

Anyone else keep getting maestros added as they attempt? ☠️

[sterile wraith]

Did you bow?

[cursive atlas]

Oh...

[ripe grotto]

That's her ability, no? She makes copies of herself

Oh wait, just noticed the healthbars... Nevermind xD

[cursive atlas]

Not sure :/ they dont move or attack just make me lock onto em

[sharp beacon]

wait ive never seen this

[cursive atlas]

Gets in teh way baddddd

And restarting dont get rid of em lol

[sterile wraith]

Can you kill them though?

[cursive atlas]

Nope. Only effect they have is disrupting my lock on

[sterile wraith]

Mmh strange

[cursive atlas]

Starting again lets see if i can fill up the ship

[ripe grotto]

Yea, that's a first for me to.. Relog don't fix?

[cursive atlas]

Nah haha

Im cursed with a Maestro harem

[ripe grotto]

"cursed"

[cursive atlas]

Hehe you understand

[ripe grotto]

Yea XD

[cursive atlas]

all the healthbars turned red as i was just about to kick her into the water 👀 the bugs in this are so much fun i cant complain

[red axle]

STEVE FIX THAT

[sharp beacon]

finally

[red axle]

ups

meant to put fire emoji

[sharp beacon]

leave it

leave the pregnant man

[red axle]

hes a HUMAN

[maiden coral]

congrats

[sharp beacon]

its very strong

grace stay winning I suppose

[maiden coral]

i have the flame one

idk how to use it lol

[sharp beacon]

soul mode heavy attack

[maiden coral]

tryin to it won't lemme

[sharp beacon]

do you have any charges

[maiden coral]

my main one is full

[sharp beacon]

video you trying to do it real quick

[maiden coral]

alrighty

[steady wyvern]

should probably do a cogah run at some point

it can't be that bad right

[desert shore]

Not bad at all, if you were to ask in recruiting chat. Odds are one person will join you

Which turns cogah from somewhat difficult to trivial

[sharp beacon]

Its not but if you need help im sure youll get help very quickly

[daring magnet]

guess thats it

I died too hard

[white otter]

o7

[pliant lintel]

it's mixed. if you use the "lackluster" setups (not the right armor/defense/weapon), it will be a nightmare. if you use a "standard" setup (jsut maxed equipment with decent weapon and something liek full pensive armor) it's going to be challenging until you get one tapped by a mendicant enemy, and then if you take one of the overtuned setup, the thing is a joke

[steady wyvern]

so...

Tethren, Purity, Basker's Wrest/Precklies, Mendicant King bottom and top + Circade helmet

full Courage

[pliant lintel]

tethrn -> overtuned setup. not what it used to be, but fellust still kicks

[white otter]

stinks

[pliant lintel]

the circade helmet tho.... your run might end fast when you encounter magic enemeis

Cogah kinda jsut put a full on floodlight on the fact the game currently has an alpha balance with things being designed very roughly

[frosty ore]

bro taken so much damage even the game died

his system probably taken damage as well

[pliant lintel]

like, it was kinda putting the cart before the horses in term of implementation. tho they at least could test some "live scaling" system out of it

[balmy jackal]

hi

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/meridia's-beacon-rotating-gif-16888739884483239068

welcome sacrifice newcomer

[balmy jackal]

ty

[maiden coral]

nvm it worked

i was pressin middle mouse the whole time

[white otter]

soon™.... soon i'll be at 100

[analog plover]

mmm sugar

or flour

[sharp beacon]

oh lol

[white otter]

sproutfolkian nose candy

[analog plover]

that explains the excessive sneezing…

[golden lagoon]

gif doesn't even have the consideration to loop nicely...

[white otter]

ROCK CHEST

[glossy harness]

does anyone have access codes they're not using? hate to ask like this but I need 2 for friends of mine

[pliant lintel]

no begging for codes

[glossy harness]

didn't think that counts as begging mb

[white otter]

well no asking for them either

[sharp beacon]

piktrix tethren is very balanced

[steady wyvern]

Achoo!
sniff
Psst! Big legs!

[sharp beacon]

fellust on a cogah made him take like 6000 damage and die instantly

[white otter]

huh....? i just walked past a dead slug and it just exploded and left green goop on the ground

[plush rose]

Damege:0
Mind control:33

[white otter]

well yeah it did get me to turn around confused

[lost grove]

They do that when they despawn.

Noticed it a few times.

[desert shore]

Ohhh poppet

[pliant lintel]

ok, i jsut realized that the whole "item with random quirk" thing they want to do is liekly jsut going to be something similar to what railjack aprts have. everything will have standard stats, but you can also get a special passive you can make work with te rest of the stuff

and it's like, gonna get mixed by something similar to titan quest did, where the 'legendary" stuff is jsut strong but fixed, while the "random" stuff still get that etra layer of customization with compenents.

[leaden breach]

I'm so happy Tethren is finally balanced

[sharp beacon]

Its exactly where it needs to be in power

Thank you steve sinclair

[slow acorn]

uh trying to navigate #soulframe-news is uh challenging

was trying to find the thing for tomorrow

[pliant lintel]

yeah, i think they kinda gave up on trying to balance tethren for now and jsut left it in a state where you can't abuse it TOO EASILY, while they focus on other things. but yeah, i do wonder what that pact will look like in the end

[frosty ore]

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

kaboom.

[slow acorn]

ok BUT WHERE/HOW did you find that?

can u walk me thru the process

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-19774492

🙂

[slow acorn]

like I was scrolling waaaaay up

I checked threads and pins

ah 4 pm ET ok good

[leaden breach]

I haven't played for a bit and i usually don't use Fellust much if at all since P13 since it's basically a delete enemy button so i'm not particularly worried with what they'l do with Tehtren in the end but i have to say i'm glad to have experienced killing bosses in 3 hits with Fellust in P12 lol.

[pliant lintel]

yeah, it was fun for a bit to delete stuff with fellust, but it did became super boring after like, 10 bosses.

[leaden breach]

It's great for farming bosses but not so much if you wanna get a actual feel for the combat. Imo Tethrens greatest strength is Conquerer, with end game gear and parrying/repostes your basically unkillable especially with a full courage build.

[hushed rampart]

John Ertsroot

[rough jackal]

Hi

[wise belfry]

Hi

[pliant lintel]

well, more like removing the fun out of bosses tbh. Like you do kill them faster, but it won't reduce the respawn timer. you still have to wait 3h or 30 minutes to redo them, so why remove the fun part?

[leaden breach]

That is another point to it, At the start when i was new i liked that i could kill bosses so quickly but as i played more and got better i actually want to enjoy the boss fights and learn their attack patterns. Now i just play to get better at parrying high level enemies another thing Tethren is good at with the big health pool.

[pliant lintel]

yeha, fellust jsut distract from what the pact is good at, which is being a mighty frontliner.

but yeah, tbh, big boss wiping abilities kinda don't belong in the game, because all it does it essentially allow to focus on farming rather than engaging with the game.

and when that happen, it jsut turn the game into something people only see through grinds, where the content is ONLY grinds and not the actual activities in it

[leaden breach]

100% agreed on the boss wiping abilities, terrible mechanic imo. I experienced this first hand in Diablo 4 with a build that deals hundreds of millions in damage in ONE hit and insta kills world raid bosses.

[pliant lintel]

and when you got stuff like that, then what's the point in even designing cool stuff if people are just going to ignore all of it. same with designing stuff that isn't gonna do jsut that. it's jsut gonna get ingored in favor of what's efficient, even for people there for the fun

[leaden breach]

Yeah, thankfully DE seems to be steering clear of such mechanics and putting a lot of effort into weapon variety. I say that as we keep getting more Long Blades lmao and i'm primarily a Long Blade user.

[pliant lintel]

well, we get more longblades, but they have multiple subcategories

and yeah, they are stearing clear because they know what those do to a game. like, they jsut have to look on the other side of the studio where the other game is forced to add damage attanuation so there can still be some form of bosses

[leaden breach]

Yeah the different movesets are nice. I can't wait until DE goes more into the combat arts.

Add a stamina bar during combat Steve so we can't spam block lol

[crisp nexus]

hello, probabl;y asked 1 million times, how do I get an invite, I play warframe from year 1 and I havenmt received an inviote

[leaden breach]

Watch the stream tomorrow for 30min for a guaranteed invite code.

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[white otter]

playing warframe is completely unrelated to getting an invite to soulframe jsyk

but yeah the twitch drops are 1 way to get access.
another would be to wait for an invite email via DE's weekly giveaways that they do where they send out 2000 invites to random accounts

[crisp nexus]

massive thanks!

[pliant lintel]

we already have stability that does that

it still need some adjusting, but that's pretty much guaranteed to come down the line

[leaden breach]

Ah yes i forgot about that.

Talking about adjustments i feel like they need to tweak the parry windows on high level enemies. It's doable even without the Lithe totem but it's very small and you have to be hyper focused to consistently hit them in melee.

[crisp nexus]

This hours are based on my location?

[leaden breach]

Yes.

[crisp nexus]

ok, great, thanks!

and the invitation arrives through a private message? do you know if the name of the account in twitch has to be the same on Soulframe?

or maybe has to be linked?

[sturdy geyser]

Has to be linked, soulframe.com/user

[crisp nexus]

THANKL YOU

[sturdy geyser]

If this is your first code it'll active automatically i think

[crisp nexus]

opps sory caps

[sturdy geyser]

Otherwise check ur twitch inventory

[pliant lintel]

they alread yhave to do something for the higher ping situation that makes parries kinda iffy, but at the same time, they can't make them too easy otherwise they'll jsut dominate

[leaden breach]

Sometimes i forget this game isn't a offline single-player. Yeah i have noticed input lags, attacks that i should have visually parried or at the very least blocked.

[white otter]

there shouldn't be any input lag if you're playing solo or you're the host

in multiplayer, sure that might happen but not in solo or as host

or... any input lag caused by the game anyway, your own hardware is a different story

[pliant lintel]

can't wait for the multiplayer to be more fleshed out, not only will it be fun, but also we'll stop seeing people think this is a single player game XD

[leaden breach]

Good to know, I can keep telling myself i just need to keep practicing in getting good.

[white otter]

yee, cause you host the sessions yourself on your own pc, you're not playing on DE's servers

except for... when you go into enclaves i guess but there's no combat in those so

[leaden breach]

The occasional "Connection Interrupted" message does a good job of reminding me XD

[leaden mountain]

Hi

Lizard !!

bye

[sharp beacon]

Waiting to be able to start bar room brawls in the silent rose enclave

[winter steeple]

closer and closer...

[red axle]

big booty latinas

[winter steeple]

what

[soft lintel]

How do you make a new character? I picked the wrong class and gender during selection.

[winter steeple]

can't make a new character, but once you finish virminia's quest you can trans your character as much as you'd like

[soft lintel]

I unlocked the witch but don't have an option to change.

[winter steeple]

yeah, you have to progress her story

just follow the quests

[soft lintel]

Ok, I finished all the ones except the first in my journal and just saved the bear.

[winter steeple]

youre close then

[austere quest]

lol I found a rune in sap

[scenic niche]

https://giphy.com/gifs/justin-hi-baby-goat-3PAL5bChWnak0WJ32x

[white otter]

aloo

[keen rapids]

whens the next envoy hour

[white otter]

discord events says it 👀

[cold island]

Hello world

[rich hawk]

Afternoon, envoys

[analog plover]

tomorrow

[rugged depot]

I was today years old when I realized the stacks of Baskbulbs, Sineculum and Sinner's Strategems could be sold for faction rep I've had full stacks almost the whole time I've been playing 😭

[lost grove]

Only a full stack?

[rugged depot]

Would that I had your over-stacking technique, I'd be unstoppable

[lost grove]

There is no technique. I have no idea how this happened

[raw tinsel]

does igne mora have a special attack?
like why do people says it cant use rune?

[white otter]

they're not talkin about Igne Mora, they're talkin about Mora's Hand, the pact

[rose mortar]

yeah what they said above ^
the pact has a bug where it summons a fake igne mora when you use certain abilities, that sword doesn't get properly removed after casting and so it interferes with rune activation until you clear it by using a different ability first

[lost grove]

Fun fact about that, it's the old Idol ability that Mora's Hand had. Idols were 4th abilities that pacts had, and Mora's Hand had "Ignus Wroth" that gave you a flaming Igne Mora.

[pliant lintel]

which reminds me, i'm surprised we didn't get any hotfi last week

[lost grove]

The Fey pact summoned a bow called Dhonu, Orengall let you use that claw part of her pact as a melee weapon, Garren Rood summoned... Garren Rood, and Ode Tempest gave you a shoulder-mounted cannon.

[white otter]

that's... not what they said but ok 👀

[rose mortar]

i was just expanding on what you said already

[white otter]

hell yeah, brain added a "that's" inbetween the "yeah" and "what" in your message to read out as "yeah that's what they said above"...

good job me

[random prism]

I do hope that gets fixed cus it's my favorite leveling pact.

[white otter]

i did have Durglint work somewhat fine earlier today a couple times when io used the mora's hand

[random prism]

Though I've rediscovered having fun with Rood now that I know Stampede can do good damage.

And Rood is also a good leveling pact cus it has a group stun and two methods of direct damage.

Honestly I may even call Rood and Mora's Hand the two best caster pacts, in that they largely do not care about what weapon damage you have and can always perform well.

For that 'I'm a mage with a sword' vibe.

Oscelda is also very casty but its stuff is more support-leaning, and its big damage is directly based on your weapon damage.

Bestone just providing a multiplier.

Duelo has a fairly spammable skill that can feel very caster-y when you line up targets and drop them, and is just strong in general, but it doesn't quite compare in feeling.

The vibes are closer to Tethren, which is powerful but more so amplifies what you already do.

Only Mora's Hand and Garren Rood really jump clear across 'gish' and land in 'caster'.

[lost grove]

Does anyone have a rank 0 Precklies, Thistle, Gwylen, Wulder, The Starling, Cobladh, The Alder, Esthelle, or Thrice Spurns they can check the Stagger value of?

[hollow frost]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons

[magic crane]

Is there no facial hair option?

[white otter]

not yet no

[magic crane]

is it confirmed to happen at least?

[white otter]

they have said beards are coming

[magic crane]

bet

[white otter]

no info on when

[hollow frost]

in the order you provided 4 - 20 - 4 - 28 - 24 - 20 - 8 - 8 - 6

[lost grove]

My hero!

[hollow frost]

Bravissimo

[lost grove]

Wait. Did you get these from the wiki?

[hollow frost]

ye, they have rank 0 and rank 30 stats

[lost grove]

Those are likely outdated. I need the in-game rank 0 stats.

[white otter]

outdated how? weapon stats haven't been changed 👀

[hollow frost]

💩

[lost grove]

They could have been entered wrong, as well. They are the only weapons on the wiki with potentially incorrect Stagger values. I verified all the others myself.

[hollow frost]

when life gives you lemons don't forget to get some of the juice in your eye,

[lost grove]

Lemons are tasty.

[cursive atlas]

When life gives you lemons

Give lemons

[hollow frost]

they're primarily a flavor enhancer just like the game being in preludes you got to expunge the sourness out

[white otter]

everyone always say when life gives you lemons, no one ever says when lemons give you life

[cursive atlas]

When lemons give you lemons

Make. Lemons

[hollow frost]

wagwan

[cursive atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-unacceptable-earl-of-lemongrab-gif-16269937

[surreal basalt]

Cave johnson definetely has the best answer towards "when life gives you lemons"

[hollow frost]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-and-bird-argue--k01KRCE0BWQP4X9ZR3YGW7DBFTP

[cursive atlas]

Life gives lemons. Life takes lemons

In summary, lemons are pretty neat eh fellers?

[white otter]

lemons take life

[cursive atlas]

Thats pretty deep man

[hollow frost]

lemons have the power to smite us if they take life

[half stone]

👋

[white otter]

aloo

[frosty ore]

til: DE made a Bioshock 2 standalone expansion.

Bioshock 2: fall of rapture

there's some useless trivia for ya's

https://tenor.com/view/kaspar-hauser-walking-fog-gif-18155315031763158274

i shall away now.

[analog plover]

man, DE is so based

[night pendant]

Is the Torrent Rune spawn for gruul generally low during cogah? I’ve done it like 18 times and only got one torrent rune

[white otter]

why do you need multiples?
also no shouldn't be any lower or higher than any other rune

[kindred mist]

is there a clan system yet?

[white otter]

nop

[kindred mist]

clan, company, raid? o ok

[muted owl]

Eventually there will be a clan system. It was briefly seen in OLD footage from a dev stream but we haven't seen it implemented yet.

[wheat cloak]

i feel like caffeine negatively affects my ability to function in games

also HEY HELIX!

how's the ranger job

[muted owl]

Good I'm off for a few days, so no IRL soulframe pics today

[wheat cloak]

hehe! i would love to be a ranger but im
super neet

[frail pebble]

have you ever been tested for ADHD? I don't think there's any other common things that changes the effects of caffiene.

[wheat cloak]

yeah i'm audhd

[frail pebble]

wow I'm so good

[wheat cloak]

so true..

league reference in bio, i too have forked over a portion of my soul

[frail pebble]

Not a league reference in my bio, was from overwatch lmao, but I have played 6 hours of league today

[wheat cloak]

updating overwatch rn-

[frail pebble]

nooooo

That game is arguably worse than leauge.,,

[wheat cloak]

and im a loser its fine

[lost grove]

Should I be worries that a harbinger of death is being very friendly with me?

[wheat cloak]

w h o

[frail pebble]

I respect the self admit, that's very based.

[frail pebble]

In game or IRL?

[wheat cloak]

i'm a girlboyfailure, i own that

the more you own the less people will expect from you

[lost grove]

There is a species of bird called pīwaiwaka that are incredibly friendly. They are also considered harbingers of death in my culture.

[wheat cloak]

woah, Manaia, you're Māori?

[frail pebble]

I mean the tarot card for death is a good thing usually, so maybe it's the same in your culture? Or you're going to die in 48 hours.

[wheat cloak]

depends on where it's placed and whether it's upside down or upside up

[lost grove]

Not necessarily death itself, but also news of death.

[white otter]

manifest an ebil person dying

[frail pebble]

I was going to say the same thing

[wheat cloak]

that is some crazy Hine-nui-te-pō lore

i mean it's not that crazy, there's a lot of very similar tropes in other mythologies but i lowkey forgot that that's a thing

[frail pebble]

Man there's so many cultures I wish I knew more about, but no, school had to teach me the same 4 topics for 14 years.

[lost grove]

I don't know if they are directly related to Hine-nui? Māui took one with him to try to kill her, but it accidentally gave him away with its laughing. That maybe where the association comes from?

[white otter]

Why teach the cool stuff when you can teach the stuff you'll never use

[wheat cloak]

yes, it's on the wikipedia page

that's what i was referencing
it just caught me by surprise

[wheat cloak]

my only regret is that i'll never know everything

[frail pebble]

I mean there's a lot of useful stuff taught at school imo, but I feel like there's a lot of repetition in history class especially.

[wheat cloak]

We seem so determined to repeat it...

[frail pebble]

Yeah I mean I often think "wow we teach ww2 so much it gets really repetitive, surely fashism will never happen again" and then uhhh gestures a the world rn.

[wheat cloak]

you haven't touched your twitter since 2024???

[frail pebble]

I open it occasionally, but I promise that after the first nazi post I close the app, so I think I've seen maybe 10 posts in the past few years?

[wheat cloak]

it took me like 25 minutes to filter it all out

[lost grove]

I am hoping for some Māori culture to be referenced in Soulframe. DE have stated they hope to include aspects from as many cultures as possible.

[wheat cloak]

now i just see lesbian and transmasc discourse

[wheat cloak]

it would be really cool! needs more rep

[random prism]

I do greatly appreciate diverse cultural origins when that representation is currently helping me slaughter my enemies.

[wheat cloak]

and moots posting about Actual Vampirism or JJBA

[frail pebble]

I love it when games acurately represent other cultures to teach people about them, curretly we're very celtic rn, which is cool but very represented, hopefully there's a lot of less represented cultures coming soon.

[kind pike]

Just realized. With Duelo, Soulframe is officially a ball and gun game

[wheat cloak]

you should play no straight roads

code duello

[wheat cloak]

is your pfp a smb reference

[kind pike]

it's stolen from an old Lego flash game with a bonus clippy added

[white otter]

Damn all this mythology and history talk got me wantin to know more about muh countrys mythology again...

[wheat cloak]

what mythology would that be

[frail pebble]

Which conutry is that?

[white otter]

Finnish myes

[lost grove]

There are a few Japanese influences, such as Joineries being inspired by kintsugi. The playable Ode Tempest has visible golden veins from the process.

[frail pebble]

Ooh finnish mythology is cool.

[wheat cloak]

i mean
joinery is also a thing in a lot of craftsmanship

[white otter]

There are some references to it in Warframe already and i feel like some of the more nature related stuff because there's a lot of nature related mythology here would go hard too

[frail pebble]

I mean I feel a lot of the older cultures of the world are very nature oriented, and talk about preserving nature, so they'd make for great references and representation in the pacts we can aqquire.

I also really hope that some of the animals we can rescue bring light to some lesser known endangered species or not liked species, like the wildcat or some wasp varients.

[random prism]

I'd like to see bugs be more respected, but I don't expect it here.

After people whined about the Ode hounds being a killable enemy, they're probably not gonna use any more mammalian enemies that aren't just people.

But this didn't stop them from immediately pivoting to 'insects are bad and evil and make great enemies'.

Insects are the repository of unique designs to spice up enemy variety that nobody cares about killing en masse.

Which sucks cus some bugs are damn cool. Dragonflies are metal as all hell.

[frail pebble]

I want Spiders and wasps added

[random prism]

An apex predator in both its infant and adult stage. Skips metamorphosis so it doesn't spend so much time in a vulnerable stage, instead just molts directly out of its infant form, the adult ripping its way out of its old skin.

[frail pebble]

People overly hate on them for no good reason, and that makes me sad.

[heavy chasm]

Beetles would be nice

[random prism]

Yeh, bugs are cool.

And essential for the environment to function.

[frail pebble]

Even mosquitos are useful to nature.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-roach-funny-eating-gif-2009899501002276227

[gray torrent]

Altough being a historian i dont know much about celtic culture/history, but the game made me interested on it too

Specially the language part

Also not being a native speaker make me curious about ''other englishes''/english accents

[frail pebble]

One day I really need to put the effort into learning Scottish Gaelic (learning Dutch rn).

[gray torrent]

When the Rose Leader/Grandpa and other characters that seem to be from Midrath starts talking i get very confused xD

[frail pebble]

They're very northern UK accents mostly in the game.

[gray torrent]

While Ode'n enemies have ''plain english''

[gray torrent]

Ohhh

[night girder]

say something in dutch!

[frail pebble]

No that's scary.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[frail pebble]

I'm dyslexic, I can bearly type well in my mother tongues.

[night girder]

bear?

[heavy chasm]

Why is it so high quality

[night girder]

just because

[gray torrent]

Het universum zingt voor mij

[frail pebble]

Sigma balls lmao

Sorry. I apologise for my past transgressions.

[gray torrent]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sigma-overwatch-7--k01KRCMCKXRA617672R2B3KFD5A

Its the only thing i know in dutch

[frail pebble]

I can understand dutch super well!!

[heavy chasm]

Name one dutch person

[frail pebble]

Uuuuh

[delicate garden]

hello

[frail pebble]

My friend who's Dutch.

Wait she's Belgian

[heavy chasm]

You lost all dutch

[frail pebble]

Uhhh Sam who I met on a very awkward exchange trip.

[gray torrent]

Hey btw, tomorrow there's a stream, right? Are they will be giving keys?

[delicate garden]

oh and a simple dutch on everyone should now is vicent van gogh

[frail pebble]

Oh yeah that one guy from doctor who!

[delicate garden]

hes a artist if memroy severs

[frail pebble]

He is I'm just being obtuse

[delicate garden]

fair

well time to start my fresh run

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-i-understand-it-now-gif-15653138346257849046

[wanton cloak]

anyone else sitting on an obnoxious amount of resources with nothing to do with them?

[obtuse rampart]

You can always see how many vasps you can craft before the next prelude drops

[wanton cloak]

im HOPING with the new teired weapons i can use some of this stuff XD

[rare socket]

whats this singular coin?

[wanton cloak]

not sure the use yet. but every million draks one of them pops up in there

[rare socket]

does it have a description?

[wanton cloak]

nope

[rare socket]

huh

thats weird

[random prism]

Huh, neat.

[summer axle]

I wonder if it has something to do with how they save the amount you have, maybe they don't want to save a large number more than 1 mill so they use that as a placeholder and check if you have one then add 1 million to your count based on how many of those you have

I assume when you go below 1 million you'll lose it

[wanton cloak]

not sure!

if i hit 2 million and i gain another, ill shit

[pearl beacon]

It's just this from the https://wiki.avakot.org/Dracs page:

I think I saw someone with 3 once at the end of preludes 13!

Aha here we go #gameplay-discussion message

[golden lagoon]

From what i remember noticing, you got those dracs from doing those once off mission thingies you find out in the world (like the one about the girl and the spider) as well as the one about the mockeries that overrun a sinecure station.
in all you should be able to get 3. (that's what i have)

[wanton cloak]

HUH

[summer axle]

huh

[pearl beacon]

Ooh it could be specifically those first three mini quests then? Especially if we don't see it happening with the 5 new ones from P14

[golden lagoon]

it's just from my reckoning.. but they do line up perfectly

[wanton cloak]

idek where those start

[random prism]

Not a guarantee then, as I've done those and have none.

[golden lagoon]

the ones from P13 specifically. i think one of the hotfixes since then may have curbed on them

[pearl beacon]

you find them naturally through exploration, those three specifically are from notes in various locations

[oblique pawn]

They were removed from the drop tables later but if you did them prior you kept them iirc

[golden lagoon]

i do recall it being mentioned specifically in a hotfix.. but which one will elude me

[wanton cloak]

le sadge

[random prism]

Ah, amusing.

[woven shuttle]

hello

[wanton cloak]

well i got 1 so im happy XD

[oblique pawn]

So...technically an exclusive item or something sighs and braces for the Discussion

But yeah they just random bugged drops

[wanton cloak]

dont tell that to the general public XD

[oblique pawn]

Presumably someone added Dracs to the table and forgot to swap it with 100x Dracs which would be the currency

[summer axle]

that's funny lol

[oblique pawn]

And apparently they have a placeholder item called Dracs, which is neat info

[golden lagoon]

yeah, there we go.

[wanton cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-not-playing-hand-it-over-give-it-here-gif-4575914747970682174

[golden lagoon]

and that was P13H3

[pliant lintel]

it's crazy how the pendulum jsut swung all the way to the other side, where it's not jsut that people don't want fomo, but will now feel entitled to every single oopsie possible XD

[pearl beacon]

I love that people got to keep them even after the fix lmao

[wanton cloak]

the bird pendant thing irked the shit oput of me. and i didnt even have it

[pliant lintel]

for now, it's an alpha, they probably will jsut do a big sweep later on

[obtuse rampart]

I hope I get to keep the old joineries

[wanton cloak]

cus half the people who complained about it would not be playing today had they went through that reset

[pliant lintel]

i feel like the prelude honor jsut irked peopel a lot because the devs forgot to not include it in the compendium

[golden lagoon]

i would still love if the preludes honour would at least have the date of receipt on it or something.

[pliant lintel]

that would be the best

[wanton cloak]

the whole giving it away to everyone completely defeats its name honestly XD

[pearl beacon]

We tested this alpha and accepted account resets willingly, I never felt like we needed an exclusive item. I'm glad new players can have it now, it's better for the game and the community to avoid fomo - but a date would be a cool little nod, even for those getting it from the update drops these days

[pliant lintel]

well, it's prelude honors, for the rpeludes

[leaden mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-silly-lizard-roar-gif-835253383905903718

[pearl beacon]

It depends how they implement the annual post-preludes event, they might tie it in thematically enough

but right now it makes perfect sense to give a preludes honour for preludes, like kay said

[wanton cloak]

i just feel it was a gift given to the people who had to go through the wipe. and now that lost its meaning really

im a sentimental person ig

[pearl beacon]

Didn't need a gift that was kept away from other people though, I'd rather have nothing than have that

[golden lagoon]

well.. more that it was meant to help us get back to where we were a bit faster. it was only a tiny boost to the virtues afterall.

[pliant lintel]

it does feel like the dev are trying to appease an infuriating crowd, tho

like, the ones that feel entitled to every single thing

[golden lagoon]

think of it this way... why don't they care that they don't have eldore joineries? oh wait, those are useless now.

anyway... i must flee.

[pliant lintel]

i mean, prelude honor is also kinda sueless with all the other talismant present

[pearl beacon]

Yeah it's only once they add the talisman transmog that it'll actually be relevant again haha

[pliant lintel]

personally, i would not really care about the whole no fomo and have the prelude things givent away to everyone if the whole thing wasn't paired with a very annoying part of the "community" that gets so entitled over everything, and will absolutly take it as the devs bending the knee to them, and keep acting like hot shite later on

give me the same icks as the people throwing fits at the mere mention of balance in warframe,, who are then also essentially preventing the game from actually getting better and notably, actually be true to it'.s power fantasy

[wanton cloak]

thats what irritated me

[pliant lintel]

"e must protect the power fantasy of warframe!!!" ah yes, the power fantasy of * check notes* having to abuse mechanics to actually succeed and dying in 2 bullets, yes

[wanton cloak]

im all for minimalizing Fomo

[pearl beacon]

These things are stark opposites though, no? balance is necessary and is healthy for the game. fomo is unnecessary and is unhealthy for the game

I only ever felt the entitlement was coming from those who wanted some exclusive item kept to themselves just cause they happened to get a code soon enough. They felt entitled to have fomo in the game and keep stuff from new envoys. The ones wanting to free the game of fomo were fighting for the game to improve 🤷‍♂️

[wanton cloak]

BUTT. theres gotta be a line me thinks.

[pearl beacon]

But on the entirely separate topic of warframe, YES I couldn't agree with this more. I'm really glad DE have repeatedly stated they want to upkeep the fantasy of actually dueling our enemies in SF, rather than steamrolling them - I hope it stays 🤞

[random prism]

Though downplayed constantly, this was one of the central points of people against the whole cursed founders thing. It sets a precedent for not only handing out exclusive rewards for things beyond somebody's control, but that the community is owed something for every minor inconvenience, even during a pre-alpha where stuff like that happening is near-guaranteed. It was a few hours of inconvenience blown far out of proportion into some kind of club.

All I can do is just hope DE does not fall into that trap.

[pliant lintel]

well, i've low key found that ironicly, the people that complained the msot about this kind of fomo were the people that did not get it, and then were the same ones that then complained about paragon not having enough exclusive. it's usually people that want to feel like hot shite and better then you because they got exclusive stuff, until they are the one on the other end

also, sorry if i'm rambly and a bit erratic, i kinda jsut came back from the restaurant, and that second beer was a mistake

[wanton cloak]

i can understand both sides. on one side the fact we can craft a Blueprint for them minimalizes fomo and people are for it. but theres always gonna be people who spend 100+ dollors on something they want some sort of supportive exclusivity

me personally i dont gaf. but i understand how people feel

[random prism]

I don't, cus it was all on the tin. Founders was a way to say 'I appreciate this enough to support it'.

People taking it differently is a question about their reading comprehension. It was very clear.

[pliant lintel]

I want them to absolutly go balistic on morons who start fear mongering nerfs or spreading misconception about design desicions. Like, i'm willing to bet things would nto be as bad in wf rn if they actually clarified the "we look at the poluarity chart to see what needs nerfing" back during the catchmoon nerf. it would havew avoided the whole nerf panic over everything

[plain totem]

did the soulframe reludes discord shut down?

[random prism]

They went back on the promise to keep it as an archive, sadly, it's been locked down.

It exists, but none of it is viewable.

[plain totem]

why did they shut it down?

[random prism]

Said something about people missing the announcement and getting confused.