the-tavern

[swift coral]

"A scapegoat is a person, group, or entity unfairly blamed for the mistakes, failures, or wrongdoings of others to avoid accountability"

[frosty wharf]

this is a business decision, if any intelligent being belives SDF does not retain his absolute authority over every change you are simply lying to yourself

[swift coral]

Calling him a scapegoat aint being negative towards him or anything

[molten iris]

🤔

[drifting scaffold]

unfairly is wrong tho, they made the company that way

they even reinforced it with the later title shuffle

[swift coral]

it was just the first definition i copied and pasted bro.
here's another.

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

no need to argue semantics

my whole point is I think its silly to single out one person when the whole structure is company approved and condoned and has been from point go - and that this type of rhetoric towards an individual being transferred onto another, is not healthy for dev-community rapport

[frosty wharf]

they made the healthcare industry that way, why does it cost more wioth insurance than it does without? Sometimes the company is made incorrectly.

[frosty wharf]

this is simply untrue, I personally know several IM emplyeees that disagree entirely with the choices made by SDF over idk the last 3 years?

It is a single person making these horrid decisions, idk how it could even possibly be refuted

[swift coral]

Disagreement and condoning are separate positions.

[subtle rose]

this is still going? lmao

[frosty wharf]

semantics

[swift coral]

if anyone is arguing semantics, its you mate

[frosty wharf]

Im arguing the changes made, and how they were detrimental to the game and is playerbase. If you have some info that shows SDF's choices lead to growth then please enlighten me, but the game hasnt grown in years.

[molten iris]

🍿

[subtle rose]

🍿

[frosty wharf]

Just this wipe IM said 'omg the numbers actually went up for the first time in forever!?!?!?!' and immediately devoted their workforce to creating purchaseable weapon skins

like who are we joking at this point

[swift coral]

Paul had to be introduced to the community under the veil of anonymity, that should say more than enough about the point i've been trying to make about how the community vilifies people and holds people up as scapegoats.

it has nothing to do with justifying or sympathizing with sdf or his decisions, just a comment on how the community behaves.
it does not absolve sdf, i do not care for all the finger pointing in response to my simple opinion that the community becomes manic obsessive over people just because they want to find something to blame and now they're transferring that same energy onto paul who has rightfully hidden his identity lol.

My only point, was that, that people love to blame a singular entity rather than the whole, it wasnt about justifying at all lol

my position is only about the community, no amount of pointing fingers is gonna change it

[frosty wharf]

the community collectively feels a certain way because of the choices made

[swift coral]

Yeah not wrong

I think you are arguing some different points that I never even aimed to touch on, to be honest bro

I think I would probably agree with you on a good majority of the opinions you hold, just not really what I was concerned with, imma go eat, have a good one

[frosty wharf]

you can say SDF wasnt the issue, or that pointing to one individual isnt effective to resolve the problems. But when the problems are created directly by the individual mentioned it becomes difficult to believe that the removal of THE ISSUE wont resolve the problems.

and this facade of 'SDF stepping down, simply isnt fooling any players who have been around for more than a month

[swift coral]

yeah people want the stronger facade of sdf being fired to convince them that things will change lol

they could make sdf janitor and they'd still push for him to be fired, gg

[subtle rose]

he'd probably be a terrible janitor lol

[turbid elbow]

sdf not built for that 100%

[frosty wharf]

sdf could have a shallow grave this moment and the problems hes caused would likely revererate for years to come

[swift coral]

maybe, seems the only thing he is credibly good at is being a CEO
the whole reason for this game existing was kinda down to him not wanting to fulfill the role he's experienced with.

& the only entity known to credit him for that is nexon

[cyan monolith]

And me

Sdf is my goat

[swift coral]

Well, it could be said that since sdf has transferred to the position of CEO, the role he is traditionally best suited for, the game started going in a better direction.
& that this recent shift in positions is a double down based on that being confirmed

food time

[frosty wharf]

the only people to believe SDF has any decency are solo players, and yall are the reason this games playerbase is what it is.

could be at 40k online, but instead we wanted to cave to the friendless and create solos

then the balance of the entire game fell to shit and nobody is ahppy with it anymore

and it just WONT be changed untill solos/duos is removed. Classes/builds work in the vacuum of team size, but due to the lack of care for balance relative to teamsize ranger is allowed to deal 2x your health pool with a single mouse1 click from windlass.

[restive lotus]

To many decisions made based off a very small but loud and insufferable player base they should have never added crows to the ruins they should have jsut focused on making more levels that cater to other classes. as soon as they added crows half the population dropped. I can't believe they don't understand what the true community wants and not some loud mouth pve furrys

[fickle snow]

Removing solo/duos is a horrid take

[frosty wharf]

Maybe it is, maybe this game is more suited for solos, if thats the case then BALANCE AROUND THAT.

but getting on your knees praying we find some way to make 3v3 as balanced as 1v1 is just coping

[restive lotus]

solos aren't the issue its the catering to people who only complain because nothing is ever good enough. they treat complaining on discord servers to GMs like a job

[fickle snow]

not saying it should just be solos either, the only way the game will grow is if they find a balance for all modes and stick to it rather then constant yoyo updates

the game would balance itself out if they left things alone with a half decnt balance, people will find there own ways to make there desired class op and overtime things would stablalize, people will always cry that shit is 'op' when they die to it but thats gaming. I think 90% of the issue is the constant massive changes every couple of months

[restive lotus]

when this game first came out it was explosive but the more they catered to complainers the worse it got. It all boils down to things like adding crows because people cried.

[limpid tusk]

does last treasuer quest gives chest ?

[restive lotus]

Crows on the ruins map waas such a shit idea

[spark vault]

Indeed it does

[frosty wharf]

the very best outcome is that certain classes/builds arent viable in solos, and some are so incredibly powerful you see hardly anything but them in solo. There is no world where both solo/trio ae balanced equally, and removing trios is as effective as removing the games servers so its no longer playable. It IS the original and inherently base concept of the entire game. Catering to players who disagree has decimated this game

[restive lotus]

agreed they need to stop listening to people jsut because they are annoying and wont stop complaining real players shouldn't have to waist there time fighting against complainers who don't know wtffff they are talking about

[drifting scaffold]

wild one to take a stand on, made ruins playable lol

[frosty wharf]

and ruins needs to exist why?

[drifting scaffold]

what?

why shouldn’t it exist, the 3 layer dungeon is a great concept

[shrewd plume]

Remove ruins let us start in crypt

[drifting scaffold]

lol that sounds terrible

[restive lotus]

they remade the map so theres not alot of crazy rogue spots and still have crows.... ALl they had to do was get rid of the rediculous rogue spots like trhey did. its a shame you can't even hide on a high rise but in the water level you can do anything

[frosty wharf]

sure i can make some dogsht and tack it on to the front or back of anything, does that mean you want to eat dogsht if it means you get a nice steak after? Yeah I thought so

[restive lotus]

its nto a bad take its the truth

[drifting scaffold]

that’s not an argument you just don’t like the map. yet nothing is stopping you from rushing down to crypts at the start?

subjective opinion about a map is not truth lmfao

[frosty wharf]

except the ghorrid changes made by devs so entirely out of touch they have no concept of the actual players interests

[empty halo]

we dont like Ruins? its like the best map

[frosty wharf]

Ruins is a waiting room for the actual game

[keen owl]

Sdf alt account? Paul is him

[frosty wharf]

crypts

[shrewd plume]

Wasting 5 min every game

Its like a shit pre lobby

[restive lotus]

and honestly rogues are i such a bad spot right now you have to be a god to kill a fighter 1v1

get rid of the crows lol

[shrewd plume]

You just need thurst and weakpoint

[drifting scaffold]

someone’s out of touch here and for once it’s not the devs lmfaoooo

[frosty wharf]

crows dont stop you from killing fighters, my rouges arena kit kills max pdr 170hp fighters in 3 hits

[restive lotus]

I dont play rogue really... I play fighter and they all die....

[drifting scaffold]

crypts is so boring idk how you crypt only cuties can do it. yay a corridor to a useless room with nothing good in it

boss? Oh actually it’s the other boss

[shrewd plume]

In normal yes

[drifting scaffold]

big wheel? hope you enjoy 6th party

[shrewd plume]

Dont talk to le about third parties in crypt when you cant even fight in ruins without a 100 people

[frosty wharf]

I do enjoy actually fighting people in the dungeons, idk why you believe thats a bad thing, just say you want pve in hr gang

originally the circle would force teams toward eachother to fight and secure portals either blue or red

apparently having competition is way too much for this community so we removed circle and made portals show up in deadass every fkn room

now I log in and farm 300k gold without SEEING ANOTHER HUMAN

W bro exactly what this game needed

you can tell by how the playercount hasnt changed whatsoever in 3 years

[lone jay]

good riddance

its an extraction game not a PVP simulator battle royale

[restive lotus]

you clearly didn't play it on release

[lone jay]

yes i did lmfao

[stuck rain]

REMOVE ROGUE RATS BEFORE THEY RUIN THE GAME

[lone jay]

it sucked, people look at it with rose tainted glasses

the game has improved DRASTICALLY

[misty ridge]

Make Crypts a 6x6, add back mummy chest lair, make both Lich and Warlord spawn with unique and distinct spawn rooms, bam

[slate hawk]

Mummy chest? Mummy lair?

[misty ridge]

I like mummy lair :]

[languid hull]

u forgot deleting the other maps (mainly ruins)

[slate hawk]

Back when you'd spawn depending on how fast you'd connect to a map (theory), I used to very often spawn in that one specific module

[misty ridge]

I like the other maps too tho :|

[restive lotus]

Its a PVEVP extraction game . they have improved it yes buy adding more classes and levels. but they have also gone back and forth with good and shitty decisions for the last 4 years and that will drivee awaay any player base we have been there puppets while handing over money for extra bag space every season and they still ruin the game from time to time by catering

[misty ridge]

Hey btw Scare is the loudspeaker emoji backwards in the announcements on the sidebar

Or am I crazy

[drifting sphinx]

The circle was a horrible mechanic, only 5 portals would spawn usually, and if there’s 3 teams or more left, that’s a lot of people just dying to zone, it wasn’t fun, idk what ur talking about anyway, I find lots of people to pvp on ruins, crypts, and inferno, I’ve been playing since PT3

[frosty wharf]

Yeah your right this game isnt based around pvp or being the last team alive to loot the good of everyone else. Just say in laymans terms next time that you play nothing but pve gang

[upper oyster]

guys did they fix the legal esp

[languid hull]

yea the pvp on ruins is insane! every afk around door corners waiting to 3rd party while 40 rats hide on the walls and below bridge in cubbies and in the tower to insta jump on any body that dies as a fight continues !

[slate hawk]

They all seem to point towards the right

[lone jay]

i havent touched PVE since it came out lmao

[drifting sphinx]

I don’t deal with this ever lol

[languid hull]

literally every HR trios game

[slate hawk]

I think they've made some efforts towards that, yes

[cobalt ice]

100% accurate xD

[lone jay]

its a pvp EXTRACTION game, you should have the option of if you want to fight at all or not. arena should be open 24/7 for teams that actually want to just pvp. its simple logic kiddo

[drifting sphinx]

All I play is HR trios, don’t know what to tell u man, I don’t deal with it

[misty ridge]

How have the servers felt after this patch btw? I know they were really bad before, from experience

[languid hull]

yea lets have another 24/7 queue for the 3k playerbase

[upper oyster]

hell yeah i cant wait for ts to be fixed its been way too long that its in the game and its ruining the experience

[languid hull]

🦧

[drifting sphinx]

They’ve gotten better, just wish the fps stuttering would get better when there’s more people in the lobby

[lone jay]

sounds like players would wanna play arena more? maybe fix that?

make the base game fun?

[cobalt ice]

they should remove continous dungeons

[languid hull]

bingo

[restive lotus]

yeha normal dungeons are hilarious and thats pretty fun

[simple aspen]

0.01% chance for artifacts is SICK

[drifting sphinx]

Paul, remove continuous dungeons, and my life is yours

[misty ridge]

I wish Haste wouldn't lock my fps to 60 lol, I've started comming it in Arena. "Guys, Wizard on the enemy team, they casted haste and my fps dropped to 60"

[upper oyster]

i bet only paul can remove continuous dungeons, we gotta believe!!!

[languid hull]

remove continous
add queue times for full lobbies
start multiple lobbies at once to riddance of queue snipers/stream snipers and not having empty 0 player lobby at dead hours ggwp

[hybrid sequoia]

it will be done, if you'll go over to Arc Raiders and fetch couple of Ks out of their concurrency

[cobalt ice]

that's why the 3d party is infinite... people just join one after the other dies

[drifting sphinx]

I’ve actually never heard of that or had that, wtf? Thats a crazy weird mechanic/bug

[restive lotus]

why?

[hybrid sequoia]

fun fact, it already works like that during peaks

[languid hull]

because spawning behind a team that just spawned where u spawned, and ur walking up behind them perfectly unannounced is super fun and cool

[languid hull]

rarely if ever but sure

[upper oyster]

im pretty sure yu describe a system that we used to have in the game, we tried this back when there was pre lobby and you could scout people ahead

[misty ridge]

Yea, the speed given from haste is taken from my speedy frame rate tbh

[languid hull]

yes but remove the lobby,

[restive lotus]

I play a looot this seaosn and that hasn't happened in months I think they fixed it

[cobalt ice]

if the remove continuous dungeons game would be lit asf

[hybrid sequoia]

it does, but 500 ques isn't helping it work well

[languid hull]

just have us sit in the main menu idc

[cobalt ice]

i dont even care abt 1 minute queue

eft has like 5/10 minutes queue

[drifting sphinx]

Because it causes third parties to be through the roof

[languid hull]

ppl act like gamers aint gotta piss or heat up in the microwave like a queue would really bother anyone

i also love team running to red and then they get continous'd into another game and i get a new fresh empty lobby that no one joins

that is super fire

[cobalt ice]

i would love to have queue so if i forget something i can cancel the matchmaking

[drifting sphinx]

Just remove continuous matchmaking and game will be in the best state it’s ever been in

[frosty wharf]

this is incorrect, those who cheat can select the direct address of the server intended to connect to during 'matchmaking'. I wish this wasnt the case anhd is also a fairly simple fix but is not the current reality.

[restive lotus]

third partys is part of the game I don't understand what you want jsut onee other team in the dungeon?

[drifting sphinx]

You can have more than one team in a lobby without continuous matchmaking

[frosty wharf]

rare real whitename take, W mans

[drifting sphinx]

Braindead take

[frosty wharf]

you are scared of fighting players

[drifting scaffold]

real

[drifting sphinx]

I’m not scared of fighting players at all, there was hella full lobbies before continuous matchmaking

[drifting scaffold]

don't most of the opinions in this game boil down to ppl who are afraid of others vs. not ?

[restive lotus]

Making more types of ruins cypts, frost, maps like random generated and blackening out the map is the move here. its not about anything other then keeping it entertaining and surprising.

[cobalt ice]

definitely bro, it's very funny when you finish fighting with a team and only one person from your team is left and he gets killed by another team that just spawned

[drifting scaffold]

"full lobbies" that were dead past layer 1

[drifting scaffold]

this is what happens when you rush through modules closing zero doors and pulling mobs like nothing matters. you're leading players right to you whether continuous was there or not

[drifting sphinx]

Yeah man it’s the doors is why, not because they spawned one module over or anything

[drifting scaffold]

well good thing it doesn't work like that but keep trying

there's always at least 1 whole module in between spawning and another player

[restive lotus]

dude n ones spawning in at 8 to 5 minutes left and if you all die to a team and theres one left right away thats a lost bro

[drifting sphinx]

Oh it doesn’t work like that? Is that why I spawned one module over from an artifact team that just finished fighting and got pesti, nip, echo, and catice from that yesterday?

[drifting scaffold]

i definitely believe your definitely not made up story

[frosty wharf]

yep, tell me why solo was created again? Oh yeah and how it was positive for the game as a whole? Danm I must have been living in an alternate reality along with every single other person whos played the game for more than a month

[restive lotus]

If my team gets whiped first team without retreating and recovering I run and hide and escapee

[drifting scaffold]

yes there's a lot of friction in solo mode between ppl who want to chill farm and maybe fight 1-2 times a round vs ppl who want endless fights, idk what point ur trying to make

[molten iris]

lol this is never end

[restive lotus]

solo was created for people who didnt have friends caus ethey didnt have random queues back then..... it was strickly goblin caves and ruled. still does. theres nothing wrong with 1s 2s or 3s so to argue it is dumb

[drifting scaffold]

yea imo solo/duo/trio should vary in the size of the map to pace it better but at this point they're all here to stay

[restive lotus]

oh wah my fav class needs to be teamed and I have no friends

[drifting scaffold]

3x3 solos was so fun

[restive lotus]

cry me a river

[molten iris]

solo is for me because no one want to play with a no mic player

and i dont want to open my mouth after 10 hours work

[drifting scaffold]

na plenty of ppl don't mind. i have friends list of ppl i met in squires with 0 voice

[molten iris]

really?

[drifting scaffold]

it sucks that squires functions as my lfg but whatever i'm waiting for that ingame tool

[molten iris]

or maybe server dif because i play at sea and there are no one other than chinese

[drifting scaffold]

oh that is fair im playing us east

[molten iris]

you guys western people are lucky

my asian speak only their own language, japanese, korean, chinese, hard to find some one with english knowledge at least 5yo level

other player, beside from them is trying so hard that i feel shame to not able to communicate when playing

[restive lotus]

alot of asians and indians play NA in the morning because its dead and they are trying to farm and alot of them do know enough english lol

[molten iris]

asian you mean chinese

because they have to use vpn to play dnd

so server is not matter

[restive lotus]

Asian covers all of Asia lol just being practical here

[molten iris]

vpn in my place is 10$ a month and i made only 800$ ☠️

really

because i go na sometime and meet no one else but douyin abcd

louyefeng

[frosty wharf]

thig guy is speaking from his heart and it is true

[molten iris]

real

so dont recommend them to remove solo again

or i have to go back and play some pvp shitty game that consume my soul every match

[frosty wharf]

if you dont want player vs player combat this game just isnt for you. I dont intend to be rude with this, but if you were afraid of water would you be an Olympic swimmer? Not everything is for everyone.. by design.

[molten iris]

idk, i love go in water map, smash the fish, cry because there are no artifact

and ofc, if i meet people, i fight them, sometime. But its not my main mission

[frosty wharf]

and that is by design of the map. Nothing these days pormotes player vs player combat. The loud minority has convinced the developers that nobody likes fighting eachother and losing their items. But somehow the playerbase between every platform spikes during the time arena is open? Wow thats weird?

[stoic plume]

where to get rotten lump

[lapis birch]

Because pvp players wait for arena and PvE players don't have to

[frosty wharf]

because players wait for arena, and those who installed the game in the last month load into pve

maybe youll take the offer

[molten iris]

the only thing make this game fun is loot, pvp pve no matter

[lapis birch]

I would say most of people play strictly pve or norms/z2h and spikes are when pvp players decide do play

[molten iris]

but thats what arena missing

my opinion

[lapis birch]

The fact that arena itself makes the game just interesting enough to login is huge issue, can we make dungeons more interesting?

[frosty wharf]

Ive looted thousands of bosses/chests/rooms/etc. The items dont exicte me anymore, winning fights excites me. I think anyone with more than 200h likely agrees.

[molten iris]

i have 1k2 and loot still fun

[hybrid sequoia]

I'd rather IM focus on adding conditional or seasonal modifiers or changes/mechanics to dungeon instead of focusing on arena, arena is completely detached experience, I do see the appeal of it, being adventure mode for PvPers, but there is too much focus on it and as a result - neglect of dungeon

[lapis birch]

Im 2,5k in since playtests, mostly Faustian and sometimes gold runs, I think after some time it just depends who you are lol

[peak birch]

games feeling stale rn ngl

[lapis birch]

💯

Arc raiders has no problems with this since maps are huge and have different events

[celest shoal]

Crazy how all season I haven’t seen a single cheater. Now that I’m running named and bis kits I’m seeing ESP and pre teaming like crazy in US East. Particularly in ruins/crypts

[peak birch]

arc raiders does have an issue, its lost thousands and thousands of players in a week. That game is slowly falling off

[frosty wharf]

make arena a 3x3 of modules and put a team in each corner. Anyone can choose to fight into a module they dislike the least instead of being forced into what the server decides. It would be far more indicative of players skill within the dungeon, which is inherently the core of this game.

[molten iris]

never try arc, but seem like its not that worth a try

shooting game is bored also, unless they have some kind of genius mechanic i guess?

[peak birch]

arc is great, i played both closed tests and the server slam etc.. problem is it doesnt have longetivity, once you're bored of the pve and pvp its over

[molten iris]

for now i only imagine arc as dad shooting game, so have no idea to express my opinion

my only opinion is im better keep the game at this state or better so im not leaving again

last time it takes 1 years and half to get back

[swift coral]

not really genius, but I'd say their flagship feature is for sure the fact that all the PVE machines are trained with machine learning for their locomotion, which can introduce some immersive and emergent gameplay & rewards tactical thinking.
But yeah, not much longevity to it

[hybrid sequoia]

bigger maps does not mean better maps, 80% of that area is empty, I do like their events tho

[swift coral]

I wont suggest someone buy it but i for sure would have told someone to try it out for free when they could

[peak birch]

they need NEW, fresh content in this game, balancing changes just aint cutting it. New map (thats actually good), new class, new spells for wizard, cleric, new rogue skills etc

it needs a freshen up, people are bored of the same shit

[molten iris]

yeah new map is best and most straight update they should do

[hybrid sequoia]

it isn't, its very pretty and polished game with the depth of a puddle
It literally is "babies first PvPvE game"

[molten iris]

cant agree more with you

[peak birch]

water map was a complete flop, idk what they were thinking. nobody enjoys fighting in slow motion.. also just remove all doors from the game

[hybrid sequoia]

lobby tune slaps hard tho

[tawny kayak]

A new terrain module-free map would be awesome

[bleak coyote]

biggest problem with it is that half the classess are useless in 90% of the map

[swift coral]

the moon!

[peak birch]

yeah im not a fan of the whole "module

[somber spade]

100% best part of the water map

[frosty wharf]

your best answer is 'make AI do it'. Thank fkn christ they dont hire you gang wake up

[molten iris]

true

[peak birch]

it should be a free flowing map, that feels natural

not split into "modules"

[swift coral]

machine learning is NOT the same AI tech as LLM and the most commonly understood AI that people mean when they say the buzzword. lmfao

legit bro, not the same.

embarrasing.

[tawny kayak]

And what about the new full empty modules in castle 1st floor? Seems a not completed feature lol

[frosty wharf]

buzz whatever you want turtleboy

[molten iris]

if they are gonna make a new map, it should have more creativity than remove door

and i dont think its hard, they have many example to learn

[bleak coyote]

the goal was to make the map feel bigger without actually doing any work.
I must say, with how terriible a lot of the doors are placed. They succeeded with walkin simulator 9000.
try and get 3 harpies in that map

[peak birch]

yeah thats why im saying it should feel natural, have some terrain, get away from this whole module theme.. because lets be honest people only really go to 2 modules.. bridge and graveyard

[swift coral]

The first paper on machine learning came out in 1957 bert. it's not chatgpt bert.

[lapis birch]

I'm advocating for door removal by 80% and merging modules with gates, barricades, trapa etc

[peak birch]

there needs to be more POIs in the game, to have people actually moving around the map instead of heading straight for bridge. Then it becomes 3rd, 4th, 5th party simulator

[limpid tusk]

can someone tell me what is last tresurer quest and if chest is tradeable ?

[tawny kayak]

Like the bridge module, which takes 2 pieces of the map, it would be awesome

[bleak coyote]

legend crown.
yes

[lapis birch]

They had nice idea with new modules being potentially high loot, I wish they had more puzzles

Like parkour elements exist already let's make more of it

[tawny kayak]

Also, a new skill system can be great, because you have more what to do instead just for hunting people's heads

[peak birch]

game has so much potential, just a shame nothing gets done with it

[lapis birch]

SDF was holding the wheel for too long sadly

[limpid tusk]

tyy'

[peak birch]

Yeah i feel like unless we see some drastic reworks/new content, players just aint gonna return

i remember playing when there was 100k+

those were the days man its sad

[lapis birch]

New content won't fix same replay value

[frosty wharf]

they havnt been for 3 years now and the statistics directly show this.

[lapis birch]

Like water map wasn't, it was good enough for maybe 2 weeks, we need more gameplay loop

[peak birch]

im fighting the same people in EU HR and normals every evening 🙁

[lapis birch]

That's why I run faustian in squire, I can fool myself and pretend there are more people

[swift coral]

seems like theyre gonna bank on a potential console playerbase.
in hopes that they're easier to retain due to a lower bar to reach being on the console platform
instead of trying to get players to return

[scarlet mortar]

give bard club💯

[restive lotus]

It would be cool if they brought back the tavern as a place to meet people and start groups and duel and test damage on dummys and trade

[lapis birch]

It's supposed to be gathering hall if it ever comes

[swift coral]

rip gathering hall

[molten iris]

have they ever explain why they are not making it

[peak birch]

Yeah definitely seems they're more focused on pushing for console. Sad really

[restive lotus]

no an actual server to go in and emotee and voice chat

[shrewd plume]

More code than expected

[swift coral]

money!

[peak birch]

is it gonna be crossplay do we know?

[lapis birch]

Too high costs, quite possibly because of RAM shortage so servers cost went up too

[restive lotus]

it would be cool if they had a town honestly with all the merchants in it

[swift coral]

100%

[restive lotus]

imagine them rapping the dungeons around a open world map

would be amazing

[lapis birch]

We need to destroy ai so gathering hall can live

[peak birch]

controller players are gonna get cooked so hard

[swift coral]

There's no reason for the game to not support crossplay, it's been brought up on a foundation that enables different platforms to connect to the same gameservers

[peak birch]

imagine tyna play ranger on controller

[molten iris]

🤔 we used to have gathering hall for each map, i though it would be same

[somber spade]

Felt this was the long term plan all along with how menus work and limited customization (like hot key spells)

[lapis birch]

I'm already playing on deck sometimes, the game runs fine but inventory management is nightmare

[shrewd plume]

The best cleric bonk is a controller player

[molten iris]

sorry, not no much about how server work

[peak birch]

Solarbear is an anomaly bro

you cant compare

[shrewd plume]

I know

[misty ridge]

They're trying to build an AI data center in my area. The amount of people who showed up to the town hall meeting was staggering

[lapis birch]

Skinny is using like trackpad right?

[misty ridge]

Drawing pad

Like for digital art

[swift coral]

people underestimate console mains ngl, how dexterous they can become with a controller

[lapis birch]

Yeah, someone pull out guitar please

[swift coral]

when a controller is the only medium you have ever known, can get pretty good with it

[misty ridge]

Guitar hero strat?

[lapis birch]

Seems like a nice place to...accidentally flood

[lapis birch]

Yessir

Rock that bis in style

[frosty wharf]

\hit #1 on apex within 2 months of piucking up a controller since I was 7 yrs old. Console games are casuals on the absolute best of days

[molten iris]

my friend is musician, ill recommend him. If hes getting traboudor emote for that

[lapis birch]

(it's not like there's built in aimbot)

[swift coral]

i rememba the games without aimbot 🥀

[frosty wharf]

On console? Like?

You gonna say you were cracked on 007? Where are we headed here

[swift coral]

older games for sure, i think siege didnt have aim assist when i played it on console

but anything after that prob not

[frosty wharf]

it did

[swift coral]

but iirc it was disabled in comp/MP

long time ago but

aim assist from earlier games were more aim assisty, games nowadays have what can easily be called aimlock, press aim and snap to head

[misty ridge]

Halo Reach?

[hybrid sequoia]

SDF will be studies in game development history class how you can have an amazing idea, but steer it right against the wall, but its clear that it can be salvaged.

Bigger issue is, modern players don't like giving any games 2nd chance

[swift coral]

i played a lotta halo from 1 to reach but i cant remember if it was just us turning off aim assist in match settings or if default

was too young to pay attention to that

[misty ridge]

I played like split screen PvP with my siblings back in the day. My sister once killed me lobbing a grenade over a wall by dumb luck.

[neon brook]

I’d say it been way more than just second chances with this game, esp if you been around since playtests

[misty ridge]

I think they mean if you pick up a game, and don't like it, you're unlikely to personally play it again

[frosty wharf]

real ones know you've no room to speak without turning off assist

[hybrid sequoia]

I'd say playtest people either got fed up and left permanently, or have all 2000+ hours and will stay no matter what, just the ratio is not favorable

[neon brook]

I think a lot of playtest ppl come back intermittently as well, to test a season here and there… but yeah they don’t stay very long… questioning whether ill come back next season… this season didnt seem too much different than in past

[frosty wharf]

Why did they all leave? Decisions were made that did not adhere to the original concept of the game, so people decide this isnt what I signed up for. Now look at the current online playerbase compared to the growth of ANY other game from any era. Weird huh?

[gaunt oracle]

we got 2-3 weeks til ironmace start trying to hype features for next season that won't be ready in time, what do you guys think they will hype? no monk no gathering hall. GO

[neon brook]

Maybe we get those new ranger and rogue perk/skills promised this season during QnA lol

[frosty wharf]

yeah its ok quiver is coming next month bro

[neon brook]

They did add quivers, although it took years to make a simple item you hold in your inventory lol

[wind juniper]

the quiver is the dumbest shit ever and players ate it up like the goobers they are

functionally is no different than arrows already are, all that time and they could've just upped the size of an arrow stack

[neon brook]

Quiver is OP too… can easily bring in 300 arrows and miss tons of shots and pick up none of the arrows you missed

No need to make a decision about using arrows wisely whatsoevr lmao

[misty ridge]

Missing arrows should penalize you somehow

If you miss a single swing in melee, it can cost you the fight

[wind juniper]

how is that any different for someone shooting a bow? you keep missing the person you're shooting closes the gap that you want to maintain

[gaunt oracle]

if you miss an arrow in melee it may cost you the fight

[misty ridge]

But you hit one arrow and they get mega hitslowed and take anywhere from 30%~50%+ HP depending on their tankiness compared to your damage

[neon brook]

Fighter shouldnt be holding 200 arrows taking up 6 inventory slots

[frosty wharf]

oh yeah and theyre gonna make arena maps better. OOPS somehow they make every single map worse than the previous ones without fail every time without fail irrelevant of the fact that it is the sole reason the game has any playerbase whatsoever. Its almost like this whole game is a facade to make money, maybe one day they will keep the game anyone actually wants to play open all week

[misty ridge]

That's the #1 thing for me, Hitslow on bows are insane, but I can't keep someone locked in melee with me when constantly hitting them with longsword whilst also wearing Tanglethreads after they hit me

[gaunt oracle]

thats why I havent spent a dime on ts since htl edition

[wind juniper]

ranged weapon hitstun should be lower that i can agree with, at least half effective as melee hits if not more

[misty ridge]

Or melee just needs to be upped

[gaunt oracle]

i'll spend again for gathering halls if they ever figure out how to do them

[swift coral]

the only thing hitslow on bows is good for is slowing down Ghost King during his chase

other than that, remove that shit

[wind juniper]

i mean i still think there should be some otherwise it would probably be too easy to close the gap without it, would unironically make ranger so much worse

not that that's really a bad thing, but yk, balance

fighter doesn't need it

[swift coral]

perk only or something

[wind juniper]

fighter can already break the sound barrier the last thing they need is a ranged slow on their enemies

[worn bronze]

Morning everyone

[wind juniper]

maybe wouldn't make ranger that much worse, they're still fast and can always do the classic 180 w key

wouldn't hate that honestly, rangers are currently like sentry guns just setup in a doorway because you can't approach them, being able to just charge through would be nice

[slate hawk]

Ranger rework supposedly incoming this season.
I would make cripple a full body target (not just legs) and reduce the slow from bows and crossbows

[wind juniper]

i say we just delete fighter

[worn bronze]

What if we delete the chocolate chip muffin and make it banana nut instead

[slate hawk]

[frosty wharf]

yeah melee isnt poweful enough, what an absolute 2hr ingame take bro since when have ranger and wiz not needed a 75%dmg nerf, the only reason they havnt is SOLO. Every ranged dmg class would still be EXTREMELY powerful if its dmg was reduced by 75%, but because SOLO exists we have to absolutly ruin the game. Tell me why I stole a pulv off some guy in basekit wiz? Almost like the main concept (teams of 3) has been entirely ignored. Wild this game hasnt been more successful 4k ingame for years...

[neon brook]

Best idea ive heard in awhile tbh

[misty ridge]

Been here since the playtests with over 3k hours logged since Early Access but ok

[frosty wharf]

usually games grow, this game has JUST BARELY kept up with is loss of playerbase

[worn bronze]

Thanks I worked hard on it

[neon brook]

Potential game breaking bug when Ironmace implements this change tho lol

[worn bronze]

Okay how about blueberry?

[neon brook]

Need to figure out what SDF’s fav flavor is, then make it that

[worn bronze]

I thinks it's uhhhhhh

Lemon cranberry idk been a while

[neon brook]

Lmaoo lemon cranberry is a choice

[swift coral]

the multiclassing of ice-cream, Neapolitan

[hybrid sequoia]

DaD being 3 year old now.... CCU doesn't look all that surprising for a game that has zero marketing

And for how stale dungeon experience is, all the nexon bullshit and Tim Sweeny being a ragpull rat, I'd say we're doing surprisingly well.

[worn bronze]

Only reason I know what it is because I'm a part time barista and my Cafe serves it lol. Didn't know it existed and was thoroughly disgusted when I found out

[frosty wharf]

ironmace actually said 'for the first time in forever the numbers went up' like cmon bro. Thats what all the successful games devs say right? Why are we lying to ourselves

[gaunt oracle]

Hours played don't matter. Ask me how I know

[neon brook]

Yeah ive heard of it, cant say im a fan of the whole cranberries

[worn bronze]

No same. I started with banana nut cause that's my fav

[hybrid sequoia]

ever wondered why concurrency graph is called decline curve within the industry?

[neon brook]

Yeah banana nut is goated

[hybrid sequoia]

by your own standard here, Arc Raiders is a failure of a game as well

[frosty wharf]

Which industry gang? You right Pepsi has been declining for years.

[atomic schooner]

i mean in the past 12 hrs the player count has halved

[hybrid sequoia]

I guess I missed the games Pepsi published

[hybrid sequoia]

and in the next 8 it'll double, what's your point?

[atomic schooner]

that the player count halved. thats my point

[frosty wharf]

Or the games any other major publisher has published, almost like your viewpoint holds absolutely no merit

[hybrid sequoia]

my view point holds no mert, coming from someone who genuinely believes that games should grow after release instead of decline, even tho you can't name even 10 games that grew post release over last 20 years with tens of thousands being released?

[frosty wharf]

The original halo game has more concurrent players than DaD on average. It was released in 2001.

Shall we continue?

[hybrid sequoia]

a single game not being dead doesn't exactly prove your point, when even mega hits from 3 years ago are desolate wastelands nowadays

pretty sure that halo game doesn't gain players either over time

[frosty wharf]

Not sure anything would prove my point to you. A game from 20 years ago is more popular than this game. Likely from before you were even born and still retains a similar playerbase. But you got it bro9 theyre making the right choices 🤣

[hybrid sequoia]

Starcraft 1 is also more popular than DaD, what exactly is your point?

[warm cradle]

The cope you are huffing is medical grade

[frosty wharf]

maybe learn from your predecessors

[hybrid sequoia]

ahhh, so they should have made a space RTS with bugs and aliens instead

[honest garnet]

I think it’s an issue with MP games, like SP games can create content releases and retain players because there’s no need for constant meta or balanceing they just pump content dlcs and as long as they don’t make bad content the people will keep playing them, where as MP games especially PvP centred ones only have on type of content like melee combat or shooting, the only way to retain players or stop them from rage quitting is to pump out cosmetics, and constantly update the meta.

[hybrid sequoia]

and don't try to flex age on me kiddo, I've literally played Z on release

[wind juniper]

holy fuck we’re agemaxxing

[honest garnet]

My point being most MP games are going to always have a decline in players im until it’s reaches the point of the people that are so content with it they will always play it regardless of change or no change

[frosty wharf]

idfk what Z is gang, zoomer located. Kiss you on your forehead lil bro

with love from a bird og

[hybrid sequoia]

now you're delusional on top of ignorant? That's pure gold

[wind juniper]

tavern chat has no room for logic

[honest garnet]

MB yo dead game cuz dead ass

[wind juniper]

dead game twin

[frosty wharf]

Big words there, not sure you understand them but good job keep it up

[wind juniper]

which word was big? gold?

thou lacketh coin?

[frosty wharf]

compare your wealth to me ingame, if you exceed mine ill hand over everything I have. I'm pretty fkn confident og

[gaunt oracle]

did I miss the start of a new discord pvp season?

what rank are yall

[frosty wharf]

where we gonna go

[wind juniper]

bro’s stashmaxxing again

come back when you can kill stingray guppy

[frosty wharf]

dont try to talk sht from a place of poverty

[median beacon]

Holy mog

Show stash rn

Ur house is on my wrist fam

[drifting sphinx]

Some of y’all gotta get off discord

[wind juniper]

smh some people never cheesed a troll in their life and it shows

[frosty wharf]

pve gamer, shows, too lazy to type the rest your already cooked

[dapper venture]

where can i report team killer on purpose is there even a report or ban option ?

[frosty wharf]

dig that hole deeper lets see it

[wind juniper]

gang you can’t kill a fish, you need to spend more time in pve

[pure wigeon]

Cant wait to see what Bert has to say. Looking forward to it.

[frosty wharf]

Ill pay for your kit, in any map, 200k limit. If I cant dumpster you in squire you can keep talking this clueless sht.

oops

only the third time ive asked tonight

[median beacon]

There’s no way this guy could kill someone in a 200k kit in squire gear unless the 200k kit guy is ai programmed

[lapis birch]

The answer is: rmt

[median beacon]

Ye

Irl pockets deep

[wind juniper]

#the-tavern message put the training weights back on rock lee

[mint creek]

Any one got lads to get rid of

[frosty wharf]

Irl pockets empty

[wind juniper]

fight me in the stingray arena

[lunar frost]

whats a lad

[mint creek]

@lunar frost life after death

[humble blaze]

😂 🤣

[frosty wharf]

cant fix game bugs meself, yer laughing at sht game design. Me too

[humble blaze]

nah, game is perfect, it will get back to 1 million concurrent players again in no time

[lunar frost]

which class is easiest to kill troll besides bard

[novel umbra]

its troll bro, literally any class

@rancid bane 🥚

[rancid bane]

W ty ❤️

[slate hawk]

#fighter message 14.1 seconds seems decently fast.

[broken heron]

i don't think this is possible now? was this before or after their update?

[fringe slate]

guys i have bought the dlc in dark and darker when it was on epic. how can i give it to my steam

[slate hawk]

Was the boss changed since?

[broken heron]

yes, im pretty sure. 1 you cannot use invis pots that will just reset the boss and second. they buffed his hp with like double?

its quite sad because its really hard to kill him fast with a lot of different characters. before you could easly do the double bosses and mine all 4 gold piles in HR

his total hp was like 4k i believe and now its like 8k?

[slate hawk]

The person uses an invis potion to reset the boss purposely, to reduce the time it took to kill it from 0.
Not sure about the boss' health being changed, but given that the user kills troll so quickly, I would agree that it has probably been changed, however the technique should still be valid

[unreal garnet]

positioning isnt nearly enough. it equally as important, if not more, that you have the same amount of packet loss/desync as the people in those guides

[broken heron]

yes, u can still circle right and parry it. but it takes A LOT more time and you will not be able to do it before the first slam. he did 6 parrys and 1 basic attack. it is possible to still parry but it is not possible to do it that fast anymore.

[fringe slate]

.

[worn bronze]

I believe on the IronMace website there is something regarding this. Don't quote me on that tho

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[worn bronze]

Mine turned white

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[arctic vortex]

theres someone opn west servers rn thats just camping wyvern on the outside shooting arrows and breaking all your crystals and not taking damage or being pushed off by boss mechanics

[timber orbit]

you need to sign in on the dark and darker website and submit a ticket with ironmace technical support

[arctic vortex]

you telling me theres a boss on g caves that wont let you in but he can stand outside the fight and break crystals and fuck up my boss fight?

[frozen canopy]

ppl find a way

i remember the first time rogues in pve used to run in troll/warlord fights and drop smoke pot. camp, recharge, repeat. so hilarious

[glossy minnow]

where the hell is warlord?

[limpid tide]

2nd floor castle, 50/50 spawn warlord or lich

[glossy minnow]

lich every frigging time

[limpid tide]

Sorry boss. Kill lich then. lol

[drifting scaffold]

i'm starting to come around to dual boss crypts. give each boss their own arena

[limpid tide]

I agree

[vagrant birch]

when dual boss crypt

[limpid tide]

Ice caves still needs a second boss lol

[drifting scaffold]

or at least more to do idk

[glossy minnow]

it's for the long ass rng based quest

[drifting scaffold]

its fine if not every layer has a boss but it needs enough other stuff to do

[cobalt ice]

can devs fix lava colossus?

[worn chasm]

whats the point of doing 21 goblin merchant quests for him to bring back like 4 things only?

[atomic schooner]

whats wrong with it?

[cobalt ice]

it's impossible to do it solo if you are not bard/warlock @atomic schooner

[exotic seal]

gm bud 🫂

[molten iris]

lmao

gj at improve server performance

[tawny timber]

what is wagers and favors??

[molten iris]

stingray in my game just disapear while in phase 3 and jumpscare me

thanks for doing something no one ask like alway

[drifting scaffold]

gm 🫂

[blazing geyser]

is there any really good classes rn?

[young solar]

how can we report teamers plz ?

[midnight granite]

so when are you very smart developers going to nerf the super overtuned melee sorcs? I love how they just have the melee damage of a fighter, the utility of some kind of support, and still have ranged damage on top of that! Very balanced class you've got going on, great work as always SDF and crew.

[midnight granite]

melee sorc is way overtuned

[blazing geyser]

anything else but sorc?

[midnight granite]

deal over half of someones health with a teleport ability and then 1 hit them with glaciate weapon. its stupid op

[strange sage]

????
this just false

but yeah the boss is aids

but its not impossible

[strange cipher]

Barb fighter

[blazing geyser]

slayer fighter orr?

[zenith blade]

How do we feel about sorc being able to cast stone skin and lightning orb as a merge to give thorns for 12 seconds?

[strange sage]

fuck no

[young thorn]

They really need to just rework mudshield cause its bad

[foggy adder]

Here me out, End wipe arena, Uniques but instead of 2 teams of 3, we do 4 teams of 3. Sounds like it would be fun.

[zenith blade]

agreed

[visual swallow]

sorc already has at least 3 ways to get people off of them, one of them is not affected by iron will

[young thorn]

Make it a bubble like effect that slows the target but grants them high pdr and mdr instead of thhe useless spell it is now

[visual swallow]

they literally have a bubble that slows people

[young thorn]

Then it would be easy to change mudshield tto be useful thhen

[royal ledge]

hello, i have a question, is still needed to have the premium account to play the game normally? i played the game before but i quit it bc i couldnt go in the dungeon with many items and thats kinda trash. did they removed it or its still 100% required to pay

[strange cipher]

how many more roots and slows do you think that class needs

[strange cipher]

you have to buy the game if you want the full game

[visual swallow]

I know we already have lightning sphere but can we get another spell that does the exact same thing but better with armor?

[drifting scaffold]

u can do Normal mode bring up to Rare gear in

[strange cipher]

the only thing they could justify is making it so you can move the shield around

sorc is already busted asf though so no reason to give more buffs

[young thorn]

I mean I thhink it being a buff would be a better feel. A unbreakable movable wall would be kind nuts

[visual swallow]

vortex + windblast + lightning sphere + front lightning and you need more cc lol

might be time to consider leveling up the skill level instead of the char lmao

[young thorn]

No I dont want it for the cc just to swap it from a useless shield to an applicable buff lol

[strange cipher]

sorc is the last class that needs a buff

[young thorn]

Dang tork over hhere hhostile for 0 reason lol

[unreal garnet]

is bros style

[young thorn]

Not saying it needs it but would be nice if they started taking spells that are just memes and rework thhem

[royal ledge]

yes i know but in the release of the game you could enter the dungeon with a lot of items and the past year they updated the game and added that restriction, but i see that nothing changed at all

[young thorn]

I mean theres a reason ray of darkness is just referred to as meme beam lol.

[royal ledge]

ok thanks

[stiff dawn]

what boss drops viola

[vale pulsar]

warlord i think

[unreal nest]

hi

hello

[flint ravine]

Dead game zzzzzz

[sonic lynx]

nerf wizard

[slate hawk]

I can help you towards the right direction. What are you looking for?
Bans upon yourself (Appeals)
Bans upon others (report a player)

[unreal nest]

wanna make new friends

[dreamy vine]

Scammer

[pliant gyro]

Graysun. Will you marry me?

[strange cipher]

warlord

[stiff dawn]

Ty

[brazen pike]

Why is Paul getting clown emojid update me

[lone rose]

so

its no longer about making fun of devs

you just react with clown because why not

[exotic seal]

😯

[lost plover]

You're not even offering a ring? What kind of proposal is this.

[sonic lynx]

justpull a trident hell yeah

[magic pawn]

You weren’t lying

@pliant gyro hey didnt you used to be a warden

[molten iris]

please say yes

[magic pawn]

What does this even mean

[magic pawn]

Sounds dumb tbh

[pliant gyro]

If he comes to the Stray Kids concert with me in New York he will get a ring.

[pliant gyro]

Whoo me? Noooo.

I was the Warden 👉 😎 👉 (jk it was a huge team effort lol)

[light ingot]

a guy whos going by warlock1234567890 is killing his teammates over and over every game and something needs to be done devs. i submitted a ticket.

[covert python]

Man we've been doing it for a min 😂just wait out the buffs or Dodge TP

[unreal garnet]

ironmace = the circus
ironmace developer = circus clown

https://tenor.com/view/here-comes-circus-gif-24848912

[reef gazelle]

Any news on preg-goblin skins?

[wind juniper]

cause they had a stability and hotfix patch and they didn’t add anything to make all the babyragers happy despite it not being a balance patch

[lusty jungle]

People not using prox chat anymore or just my mic settings broken?

Im not even hear them

[neon brook]

Make sure you have voip toggled on, and prox chat enabled instead of party chat… if you do, then yeah ppl either quiet or have their voip settings messed up

[lusty jungle]

okay ty

[brazen pike]

Toughy

[acoustic breach]

pdr bard made me 35k in 2 goblin matches

[final monolith]

you want to put the cheese inside, i want to say no but i cant

🧀

[remote remnant]

why does my game keep crashing when i load into a match

[final monolith]

try running as admin, if not restart cpu, if still doesnt work press the gear wheel next to the play button and click repair

[remote remnant]

okay thanks

[tight skiff]

does anybody else have this frame drop since the last patch?

[last path]

yes, framerate is under the ground

[final monolith]

what a big fucking update for nothing, LK they jsut nuked optimization again i bet

like what am i fucking downloading if they jsut made the heart candy sellable for money

[wind juniper]

i think we should buff windlass tbh

[final monolith]

yes turn this game into CSGO please 😄

WAIT, i can do it myself, i just need double windlass on fighter with victory strike?

[neon brook]

windlass with explosive arrows when? lolol

[final monolith]

LK i hate it when melee games make range strong

we want to melee fight, if we wanted to shoot guns wed play a game where theres many guns and a whole gameplay around it

[slow canyon]

every patch performance gets worse

[final monolith]

its true

[neon brook]

its just tough for anyone to balance ranged damage when you have to try to balance it for solo and trio play

[final monolith]

meta is longbow and windlass and its laggy

[final monolith]

we only need to balance it for trios, solos is an afterthought

[neon brook]

well unfortunately Ironmace doesnt see it like that (anymore)

[dreamy vine]

Remove trios. Let duos reign

[drifting scaffold]

mmm nah that doesn't sound as fun

[neon brook]

trios is the core of the game kinda... would weird to remove

[dreamy vine]

Duos arena 🫃

[pliant gyro]

Chat, help me rizz up the mods.

[final monolith]

you know what i would do if i were ironmace to solve this solo/trio problem once and for all?
i would merge adventurer mode and solos and make it so u can only pvp if you <<Flag>> as pvp and flagging like is very noticeable as it makes a sound AND takes 10+ secs
if ure flagged and u see another flagged person u can pvp but otherwise u just see the pve players

[neon brook]

took them years to figure out quivers... that seems too complicated

[lapis birch]

That's like one of the worst ideas I've read in a while

Sorry man

[limpid tide]

Lololol

[final monolith]

many games do a PVP flag system, yall are just too immersed into the sad reality of ironmace fucking up every system
also we need less queues

[lapis birch]

I have an idea

Let's remove solos then, nothing can go wrong!

[final monolith]

myea we tried that before and lost 40% of our playerbase, we cant.. thats why ive come to my obviously bad idea for solos (cuz i dont care much about them tbh, i woudl also remove it completly but it we cant)

so many fuckweeds play solo only in FULL BIS and are like ecstatic when hiding in a corner for 20 mins to kill a guy in half squire

[pliant gyro]

Chyunkus, more like Chyunkalicious.

[worn bronze]

How long for banana nut muffin?

[lapis birch]

Monke

[final monolith]

LK i would remove solo, merge it into PVE mode with some sort of flag system, and i would just straight up remove Duos

i would also merge HR and blue lobby normals

[neon brook]

cant remove solos or trios at this point... it would split playerbase too much and they would lose too many players in either scenario.... stuck with the poop sandwich balance problem they currently have

[lapis birch]

3k players online just like the vision

[final monolith]

the real problem with solos is that its not a 1v1, its a 1v1v3rdv3rdvRAT

[neon brook]

certainly not as quick as we could bake a homemade batch 😆

[neon brook]

lmao kinda very accurate

[final monolith]

anyways im hopping onto s2r to lobby wipe and getting like 10 kills cuz i come from chiv and thats what i like

[lapis birch]

At this point amount of queues is just fine, if the game could get more people with comprehensive good and meaningful updates going forward the issue would resolve itself

[thorn nexus]

this killed the game lol they tried it

[final monolith]

hard disagree

[final monolith]

i mean yeah they tried but if u could pvp willing people in adventurer mode mb we could get rid of this shitassqueue for good,
get rid of norms and HR and get HR only,
then we just got like squires, and one queue HR, and adventurer mode where you could turn on pvp or turn it off
maybe then we get fun modes like capture the flag 10v10
thats my take

[lapis birch]

Ugh sure

[final monolith]

i mean maybe seeing people pvp in adventurer mode while being safe could bring timbos to finally come in the real game instead of speed running bosses w 10 people in full ressourcefulness kit
thats not the game, we need them to come pvp

[wind juniper]

pve and s2r can be deleted imo

[visual swallow]

most people dont want to pvp

[lapis birch]

You should apply to sdf and work with him on new game I'm pretty sure he can use his twin

[visual swallow]

people want to farm items with no risk and just like, look at the loot

[rustic garnet]

i am the only one with discord voice chat problems?

am i*

[visual swallow]

when arc raiders came out my friends were all crazy about it so I got it and then I realized how fuckin goofy most people are

[wind juniper]

and balance around duos

[thorn nexus]

yep. best idea

[visual swallow]

they only run free kits, they avoid all pvp, they watch yt videos on "routes" and just queue in and run the same loot route over and over looting same fuckin buildings over and over and just stash everything they find and never use it, free kits only every single game, no pvp if there's any way to avoid it, they get mad if they can't avoid it

[acoustic pelican]

is vc down for u guys too?

[visual swallow]

that's how most people play arc raiders and it's how they want to play dad

[rustic garnet]

yes

[rustic garnet]

r u german?

[thorn nexus]

Arc and DaD both have extremely annoying players that will backstab you every chance they get, kill you and take your stuff every chance they get, but whine like crazy when they die and lose their kit.

[acoustic breach]

just slaughter them and let them get mad and quit

[visual swallow]

geronimo -> german lmfao

[visual swallow]

my friends?

[acoustic breach]

your friends want to only run free kits and run routes in dark and darker

[rustic garnet]

germany isnt german anymore
so what r u talking

[visual swallow]

geronimo was a native american lmfao

[thorn nexus]

he’s saying they don’t risk their gear and is wondering how they don’t get bored

[visual swallow]

well there's "ger" in the word, it's gotta be german! fuckin lol

[rustic garnet]

okay boomer

[visual swallow]

kek

[tidal root]

does arena gear have to be found in raid still?

[rustic garnet]

nope

[wind juniper]

nah buy that shit

[lunar finch]

any1 else trying to join vc and it says "awaiting endpoint"? i alr restarted my pc and it still is doing the same thing

[tidal root]

what is the arena reward?

[stable anchor]

its down rn

[lunar finch]

just... everything?

[stable anchor]

voice calls only look it up on the status of discord

[wind juniper]

discord is strugglin

[lunar finch]

bro this is worse than sdf

[rustic garnet]

nobody knows

[crimson moon]

the servers vc isnt working wth?

[broken pagoda]

Part of it is some border based off your rank I think

[acoustic pelican]

Why?

[rustic garnet]

really dude?

[rustic garnet]

maybe because of the vc problems? just maybe

[stoic plume]

anyone else had 0 returns from goblin merchant since update?

[rustic garnet]

nah im good
think its just unlucky

[stoic plume]

?

[rustic garnet]

i get shit from goblon back

goblin*

[stoic plume]

tday?

[rustic garnet]

yes today

[acoustic pelican]

What does me being German or not have to do with vc issues

[rustic garnet]

dude whats wrong with u????? just wanted to know if the problem is limited to a specific region

[viral creek]

PSA the vc issues are discord-wide

me and several of my friends are having similar issues throughout discord

[dark river]

discord not working?

[viral creek]

yes

they are aware and are trying to fix it as we speak

[lost plover]

Yeah its a discord itself issue sadly

[lost plover]

I believe he was seeing if it was just one region or multiple.

[strong garnet]

yoo random question but is "hiring" someone to kill a wyvern for me allowed ? obviously ima pay with ingame currency just wondering if thats some sort of tos or whatever xD

[rustic garnet]

i dont think hes german xD

[limpid tide]

Nah don’t worry people do it all the time. Someone might even do it for free if u say u need it for a quest or whatver in LFG

[strong garnet]

oke thanks appreciate it ^^

[lost plover]

please don't insult the other users

[lost plover]

Hiring is not allowed. But if you go to LFG there are tons of players who can do it.

You can ask people to do it for you but trading of currency for services is not allowed

[rustic garnet]

thos counts as an insult?? yeah sry dude

[strong garnet]

ah i see, thanks

[lost plover]

Unfortunately yeah. But thank you for understanding!

[lost plover]

There's a few users here like @livid rover and @craggy merlin who run wyvern regularly who might be able to help

[acoustic breach]

paying someone ingame gold
to do something for you ingame
is not allowed

so the trade of this currency is limited to goods and not services

that is ridiculous, there is no activity outside of the game and its market

[acoustic breach]

i dont think that is real, i think you might have just made that up

[lost plover]

Lol i definitely didn't. We have been told multiple times by devs its not allowed.

[acoustic breach]

so you cant pay someone ingame gold that was obtained fairly for ingame services
there is no real monetary exchange

i feel thats an overstep of a vague rule

[lost plover]

Yes you cannot do that

[acoustic breach]

yes it says ingame carries, but that is clearly in the terms of paying real life money for it

[lost plover]

I don't make the rules I just answer the questions on what i've been told

[acoustic breach]

so these rules are left vague on purpose so its up to how the person is feeling at the time?

[lost plover]

Again I just voice what devs have told Mods. If you don't like it you are welcome to take it up with them. I'm just trying to make sure people don't get banned for avoidable things

[limpid tide]

Correct

[limpid tide]

Appreciate that. He was lenient

[lost plover]

Also fire name. Eragon reference?

[acoustic breach]

i miss when this place was lawless

[thin marsh]

Anyone else having this awaiting endpoint glitch

[lost plover]

yeah discord itself is having issues

[lunar finch]

can any1 connect to vc yet?

[lost plover]

https://discordstatus.com/

[limpid tide]

Yessir, thanks for the notice

[reef estuary]

do you have to be warlord to enter tournament?

[lost plover]

I believe so

[atomic schooner]

discord dead guess everyone gotta move to teams now

[lost plover]

I mean as someone license in MS365 as a reseller i'd never object.....................

[cyan monolith]

im on teams rn

its horrible

[atomic schooner]

ok so everyone moves to steam voice calls then?

[cyan monolith]

steam is down aswell

[atomic schooner]

steams working fine for me

[cyan monolith]

not for me

[gaunt gulch]

teamspeak is down as well

[cyan monolith]

its the beginning of the end

[stray spruce]

did they take out the heavy attack for dubble ax and the battle ax?

i cant do the special swing with them did they change the keybind

[atomic schooner]

they removed all alt attacks. every weapon can block now. so most of the alt attacks are the ripostes

[final monolith]

i put the 🧀 in dark and darker

[karmic sorrel]

Does anyone know if dread spines drop mysterious potions in pve

[final monolith]

what do yall mean with discord dead

[gaunt gulch]

API and Gateway connection are flat

[wind juniper]

damn i haven’t heard of eragon since 3rd grade

[brisk sparrow]

do you have to do quests with goblin to use the return item service for when you die?

[lost plover]

Author released a new book a little while back called Murtag and Disney Plus picked the Series up for a Tv show. Its making as comeback

[gaunt gulch]

PvE only

[brisk sparrow]

like you have to do quests in pve to get item return?

[livid rover]

No doing Goblin merchant quest increases the chances of him bringing back gear that is lost in HR/Norms/PVE

[gaunt gulch]

no, it only works in PvE, items return doesnt work in PvE

[livid rover]

PVE he will bring all of it back

[gaunt gulch]

PVp*

[brisk sparrow]

oh ty

[gaunt gulch]

This is news to me

[livid rover]

Do the goblin merchant quest, if you lose gear in HR or Normal and no one picks it up, he'll bring back some of your gear

[gaunt gulch]

homie brings back NOTHING for me

[brisk sparrow]

okay yeah i just got all of it back

but can someone just loot my body in pve?

[livid rover]

nope

[gaunt gulch]

no

teammates can

[brisk sparrow]

so you can't really lose anything?

[livid rover]

^

[lone rose]

yo i want to hang around with my boys on dad discord

[gaunt gulch]

a bit of gold for the return, otherwise no

[lost plover]

Few patches ago they announced it. Sometimes it doesn't but the higher your rep with gobi merchant the higher the chance of return

[lone rose]

what the fk is going on

[lost plover]

#the-tavern message

[gaunt gulch]

API and Gateway connection are down

[lone rose]

damn i think its time to move to teamspeak

like in good old days

[gaunt gulch]

is down too

[lone rose]

what the actual fk

[lost plover]

Now thats a throwback. but its also down

[gaunt gulch]

yeah, been forced to use teams lmao

[lone rose]

What about skype

[gaunt gulch]

didn't teamspeak get a massive discord like overhaul?

[gaunt gulch]

hasn't skype been out of commision for years?

[lost plover]

Skype closed down in May of 2025 my guy

Microsoft did the big push to Teams as their sole platform

[lone rose]

those damned russian hackers dude

отдайте мне моего дискорда, болваны

[gaunt gulch]

dont see why targeting discord would be theri priority tbh

[lone rose]

HEY GUYS ITS WORKING

[neon brook]

love getting a rusty key and getting the spawn in crypts... the drops i get from that room are absolutely cracked

[strange cipher]

thats hype asf

[strange cipher]

I been using google meet

[lost plover]

I'm excited to see how they do the dragons and swords. I loved the sword from the OG movie but it skipped like 90% of the first book.

[strange cipher]

I never really watched any of the movies

loved the books though

[lost plover]

Only got one movie that mega flopped

[grand cradle]

“The Teamspeak 3 days” were never over. It’s still in its prime. Discord isn’t even a competitor.

(I still use TS too often)

[limpid tide]

Discord is probably the largest holder of private information with no end to end encryption.

[lone rose]

"user joined your channel"

[pallid pine]

error code 23 fix?

[brisk sparrow]

so unique items only have 1 mod slot?

[limpid tide]

Stroke it, slap it, jiggle it, jump up and down 10 times

[brisk sparrow]

they changed it right? i thought uniques had 5 mod slots before

aren't they kinda trash then?

[limpid tide]

Everything is trash. Run StR

[full nymph]

why did they make colossus like impossible bruh'

[terse patrol]

Are new quests tonight or its tomorrow night?

[limpid tide]

Crouch look down during second phase splash attacks

[full nymph]

son that is NOT what kills me

[limpid tide]

What’s killing u then

And I’m not ur son, I’m 25. So unless ur 50+ u can call me brother

[full nymph]

the single hand slam

i swear u need like perfect positioning in squire gear to dodge it in duos after new patch

[limpid tide]

I fought him 2 days ago. The slams u need to be off right, about 5ft away and jump

I usually die to the splash attacks so that’s what I assumed

[simple vault]

you bugged the vcs

[full nymph]

i dontt think jumping helps anymore they changed it

[chilly trench]

When will the wipe end?

[limpid tide]

Dang. Then sorry bro. Can’t help. Mb for waisting time

[simple vault]

<@&1019888848773328936> vcs are bugged

[full nymph]

ur good

[worn rain]

what do you mean?
how to bug?

[granite surge]

As far as I know, it’s a discord issue.

[simple vault]

doesnt let you create a new vc

ok

[rancid marten]

After April 19th, before May 1st

[grand drift]

[granite surge]

If all voice channels are full too, it also won’t let you create any more channels, that could be the issue as well. I’m on mobile so hard for me to check.

[simple vault]

there should be a channel to join to create duo/trio party

[worn rain]

It seems it's not full. Perhaps you can't see the VC channel? Please configure the Channels and Roll function to make the LFG channel visible.

[simple vault]

thank you

[warm fable]

[sterile rover]

anyone know what quests give cosmetics this wipe?

[worn rain]

yea plz cheak that

maybe tavern master goblin collector

haha everyone did the same miss

[sterile rover]

goblin merchant does not I just learned

[atomic schooner]

quest might not be out yet

[gaunt oracle]

goblin, collector, tavern. quests come out <t:1774569600:F>

[junior cedar]

havent played the game in months whats different steamhappy

[sterile rover]

thank ya appreciate it

[misty smelt]

This game feels so ass. Even if I make my kits worth doubled, it's unrewarding as FUCK to sell items. It's like... yay, I got items worth gold. aka. fucking Excel monkey labour.

[feral kite]

If someone clips me yelling racial slurs at them and submits it can I actually get banned, all theoretical I would never yell slurs at people, rats is another story tho

[misty smelt]

I'm just so tired of the market, and how it completely ruins the gameplay loop of this game. Literal Excel Sheet simulator.

[atomic schooner]

dont use it then

[misty smelt]

ragebait or rtrd

[atomic schooner]

use gear you get. dont keep gear you dont plan on using

upgrade with the workshop

[feral kite]

Thats just a money pit

[atomic schooner]

its not very hard to get the stuff for it tbh

[misty smelt]

Not using the market is not a solution, because that's just shooting yourself in the foot. Unless you want to play with a significant disadvantage, you need to use it.
Only real solution for someone like me is to either fix how the menu and market works so it is very quick, or better yet, bring back SSF queue.

[vale crow]

Bro said steamhappy

[misty smelt]

Every single part of this game's gameplay loop can be bypassed by simply buying and selling items. it is ridiculous.

[junior cedar]

now answer my question

[misty smelt]

no more true damage, barbarian is overtuned as fuck nvm that's not new.

[junior cedar]

okay sooo the same game?

[atomic schooner]

no true dmg. classes feel really balanced. barb isnt over tuned. new map is really cool

[misty smelt]

second layer for gobo caves

[junior cedar]

true damage didnt mean anything

[junior cedar]

facepalm

does the new gc layer atleast have a new boss

that isnt a recycled unity asset?

[atomic schooner]

it has a boss

[junior cedar]

awesome

[misty smelt]

I would not recommend playing this season, next one is hopefully more enjoyable

[gaunt oracle]

idk why anyone watches yami and morty anymore. they can just catch every highlight on darker doses the next day

[atomic schooner]

if this season aint for you then you dont have to play. but this season has been one of the best for me. some people just like different things :)

[hybrid sequoia]

this season was very enjoyable, its just stale, because we've got nadda for dungeon

[junior cedar]

game would be great if they added things to do!

[limpid tide]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-hank-hill-bill-dauterive-boomhauer-king-of-the-hill-gif-13468325043837786954

[median beacon]

Dark update 😊

Dark update 😔

[misty smelt]

My interest honestly fell when market opened, it makes the progression go from "let's get upgrades" to "how much gold can I hoard". I honestly find it very boring.
@atomic schooner I don't think the season sucked or anything, but I think it's run it's course. Needs a reset that makes the game loop feel rewarding again.

[pulsar sage]

you chose to hoard the gold instead of buy good kits

[drifting scaffold]

the dungeon is the game r u going into the dungeon?

[junior cedar]

some people shouldnt be able to speak

[drifting scaffold]

yes ppl who ragequit the server and crawled back

[junior cedar]

nope i'm talking about you my guy

[drifting scaffold]

leafy leaf leaf that’s how you know games not dead LMAO

[junior cedar]

facepalm

[woven widget]

the game is NOT a dungeon game

[drifting scaffold]

goblin simulator

[woven widget]

its a dungeon crawler sure, but hlaf of the time youre playing is spent in the trading hall or marketplace listing, collecting or buying items

[drifting scaffold]

see that’s an issue lmfao just don’t

[full nymph]

no

[drifting scaffold]

intentionally tanking ur experience by not playing the dungeon first and menus second

[atomic schooner]

i spend most of my time in the dungeon tho? if you know what you like to run its not hard to buy the stuff you need. trade hall is a cursed place to go to and i dont like it there. and listing items is the easiest its ever been.

[hybrid sequoia]

for me the fun drops fast, when I realize how many friends I introduced to the game and how I'm the only one left, because the single one who genuinely likes it plays it on average once a year

[woven widget]

🤫

I play dark and darker for the medieval stock trading sim

[atomic schooner]

[ocean sinew]

You could say i like the game its easy when you have 2k+ hours

Also @hexed adder I'll donate 100$ to anywhere if you do unique arena but we don't lose our kits when we die

[fringe slate]

Is the dlc very important in the game

?

[ocean sinew]

Id say it helps alot for the wipe a extra shared stash is pretty big

[gaunt oracle]

you don't need it

i never get it and never miss it

if you want to spend money, use it on cosmetics or a 2nd account to quest bags and chests on

[cyan monolith]

How ab blue arena and u lose kits

[ocean sinew]

Named arena was goated playing all your named weapons no fear of losing them also vsing named you wouldn't normally see was cool

+named this wipe have been the cheapest I've seen them since the semi semi wipe

So everyone has the ability to make a named kit

[gaunt oracle]

best I can do is 3 days of regular arena (down for 1 of the 3 for maintenance) with no rewards and double the monsters

for "testing"

[main carbon]

why da bug fixes 3 gigs

[gaunt oracle]

and if the wind blows from the east at the start of your match, you keep your kit. if not, regear go next

[ocean sinew]

Obviously has to be a end of wipe unique arena

[main carbon]

lmfao

[main carbon]

arena but u each have to defend ur wraith

and who evers shit AI dies first loses

paul write that down

[gaunt oracle]

dont hype yourself for something you know isn't coming and if it is, it'll be the monkey paw version of it

[ocean sinew]

Trust me ik😥

But i have hope 🙏🏼 😔

[chrome veldt]

The ruins didnt make any noise when the raid was reaching 2 minutes

No bell noises

[gaunt oracle]

it does that now. it only howls when you're about to die (10s left)

[brisk sparrow]

if you die twice in pve does it override your previous lost kit from goblin?

[gaunt oracle]

no, he'll have both. it can get confusing telling the kits apart tho in the goblin ui

[jovial ginkgo]

have we got the rogue ranger update yet?

[gaunt gulch]

Well yeah, but that kinda reinforces my point. Why would anybody holding confidential or important information use discord as a transfer method? Surely there is nothing of value to be stolen from here

[gaunt oracle]

no

[wooden cradle]

Sorc nerf when??

[vernal marten]

3 weeks

aka next wipe

[glad light]

next wipe is in 3 weeks?

[vernal marten]

not sure if thats it exactly but its def in April sometime

[glad light]

sick. ty. do you know where they will announce the date?

[vernal marten]

im pretty sure thats what they said in their most recent Q&A

[glad light]

ah i see

[gaunt oracle]

end of april

[grim river]

Does anyone know if there's a fixed chest in the castle (second floor) that might contain the Golden Key? I know about the chest in the ruins that has the Rust Key, but I haven't found any with the Golden Key in the castle.

[gleaming bough]

Arena should stay open

[gaunt oracle]

there are several. use darkanddarkertracker.com and click on maps. you can select the map and filter for golden chests to see where they are. or if you don't want to they are in the modules: Treasure Room, Underground Altar, Center Altar, High Priests, Broken Bridge, Cistern, Barracks, Wheel

[full nymph]

fix collosus

[gaunt oracle]

hes cheezable still lol. my PVE viola method? I tried it without a viola or dwarf, in HR squire kit and got him to phase 3. I would have gone more if I had remembered the floor lava and counted to 5 on his floor-fisting lava spouts

hug right cheek and circle with him. jump the 2hand slam and count 5 floor splashes after phase 2

dead boss

#dnd-content message

[chrome jungle]

No patch this week?

[gaunt oracle]

??? #📢announcements message

[subtle rose]

most likely a bigger patch next week

but who knows they could surprise us

[full nymph]

that cannot be from the newest patch gng

[gaunt oracle]

lol check the date

[chrome jungle]

My b like one with actual changes/balances

Havent been in here in a while when i played regularly it seemed like every week changes dropped

[carmine zephyr]

cheating all gold nip ranger on east coast trios

[subtle rose]

its about every 2 weeks now, have you not played since early EA or before?

[strange sage]

that was hotfix not patch

[chrome jungle]

Last time i played was when they made Hr bosses require a summon item

[gaunt oracle]

true

[subtle rose]

ah so not super far back but far enough

[main mulch]

luck stop at 500?

[strange sage]

yes

[gaunt oracle]

yes and its broken. don't use it

[chrome jungle]

Yea i remember everyone in the disc talking about how op druid was haha during that time

[subtle rose]

They gutted it since then, no more druid cheese for the most part

[past remnant]

so is fighter the new ranger? xD

[main mulch]

wym broken

[past remnant]

all I see is fighters spamming longbows

[subtle rose]

Fighter has always been a ranger, just with more pdr

[gaunt oracle]

luck does nothing. watch glocktane's 2 videos on it

[chrome jungle]

Seems like the best druid angle is healer druid, bear druid with a decent kit still looke viable but in the range meta rn probably will get cooked

[main mulch]

maybe he just unlucky

[subtle rose]

500 luck is like 50 luck in terms of usefulness

its a placebo stat

[gaunt oracle]

actually you right. buy the most luck you possibly can and run it

what could go wrong

[grim river]

Nice tnks, i found it

[subtle rose]

The question is, what could go right?

[chrome jungle]

Had a luck build at around 400 before didnt notice a difference tbh lmao

[dire marlin]

yo are they ever going to remove water map from the squires tro riches rotation? cuz no one wants to run that shit hole in the PvP mode. Its great for farming but ppeople que squire to riches to fight and not care about losing annything not to get stuck in the water and die to a sshark..

[chrome jungle]

But that was ages ago

[subtle rose]

its still like that

[chrome jungle]

Even bought the golden skeleton for that +10 luck

FeelsBadMan

[subtle rose]

its more for the golden drip than the stat anyway

[chrome jungle]

It is drip tho

[gaunt oracle]

im about to run a GC rn, want me to stream the colossus fight? PVE but it works in HR too

[subtle rose]

Why pve mode? running a BT?

[chrome jungle]

Anyone else feel like goblin caves match timer is short

[subtle rose]

they recently increased the timer by...1 WHOLE MINUTE lmao

[chrome jungle]

Nice i can loot an extra goblin

[subtle rose]

i expected 2-3 mins when they said it in the QnA not a minute, that does nothing lol

[chrome jungle]

Dare i say an extra chest

[subtle rose]

that bis in that large oak chest is screaming at you

[unique cave]

is this game dead>

[mint heron]

bro why do i lose like 200 fps every single time i flick around LOL

[chrome jungle]

Fax i cant live without the unique that rolls +17 percent mem cap

[full nymph]

no

[gaunt oracle]

@open briar you want to watch this colossus kill or nah?

aaaaand hes dead

[granite hull]

when is wipe

[vale oar]

The current plan is for the end of April!

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[hollow zenith]

good game but low tier nasty player base ruins the game !

[pliant ginkgo]

yo where can i report a player with a clip