the-tavern

[finite cloak]

when is wipe

[echo adder]

:(((

[supple drift]

this month

[quaint carbon]

dont team and you wont get banned

[echo adder]

Ok you cant read clearly lmao

[supple drift]

very sussy~

are you a cleric in goblin cave?

[copper flint]

be happy its only 2 days tho....

[cyan monolith]

balright

[quaint carbon]

2 days for teaming isnt bad, hope you learn your lesson tho

[wind juniper]

LOOOL nah he doin that on purpose graysun's a funny guy for that

[cyan monolith]

i respect it ngl

[vale basalt]

Think the game would make a comeback if he added pregnant goblins?

[copper flint]

ill respect them when theyll respect their playerbase....ye we know its never gonna happen but eehhh we can dream mybe 🥀

[supple drift]

nah.. that only bring few people who want that kind of goblin.

[cyan monolith]

idc?

[copper flint]

🫃

[supple drift]

just rework druid, then timmies will come back and grow. druids are bullying timmies a lot.

and old veterans too

[cyan monolith]

druid isnt even that bad of an issue, just an easy target to shit on

[long mantle]

Any news on Anything 😀 hints dates ?

[cyan monolith]

the game having nothing to do endgame is far worse for the game

[copper flint]

🥀 🥀 🥀

[wind juniper]

you think they're skilled enough to actually do this?

[supple drift]

[copper flint]

i mean they cant even do backpacks or quiver in "THEIR" game XD soooo

[supple drift]

I played druid, it was so fun! But.. I think it's too forgiving in solo. Trio is fine.

Also, I despise warlock for being an easy class.

[copper flint]

Sdf never gonna remove hes beloved main class

[wind juniper]

i think they're just straight up incapable, all they can manage to balance is slow moving, slow swinging characters, everything else always ends up problematic

[real fern]

So fire!

[wanton stream]

probably in 24 hours low iq mf

[supple drift]

normal mode is a hard gateway to timmies from pve. So, they stayed in pve.

[copper flint]

"so we updated the double jump of rogue" "sry games gonna be down for 8 hours we encoutered issue with every classes with this change"

[visual swallow]

I fuckin love, "bro all I did was break the rules and got banned, wtf, how is that fair?" posts

[inner vine]

ur all fools. sdf doesnt care about your ideas and discussions. he will only chase his ear worm

[copper flint]

i mean if you steal a candy at a shop and be sentenced for 3 years in prison with no appeal would u find it fair ?

[visual swallow]

sure why not

[supple drift]

I thought it's his vision.

[copper flint]

[echo adder]

None of yall can read😭😭 i was playing water map and the people I encountered I tried to shoot but they kept running 🤷🏽‍♀️so please enlighten me how thats my fault

[echo adder]

Thank you

[visual swallow]

it's ok to steal it's just candyyyyyyy waaahhh, get fucked lol

[inner vine]

whatever his ahole tapeworm tells him i guess

[supple drift]

[copper flint]

🥀 bros so dumb its becoming crazy

[visual swallow]

[wind juniper]

it's hard to balance because they don't have someone else's work to copy off of? surely the individual company should be more than capable of handling their own balancing without any outside input

[inner vine]

just remove shapeshifting for druid and instead make him summon all the animals as a summon and healer class with crowd control

[open lion]

I've been away for a bit, why is Paul releasing patch note info and not sdf?

[visual swallow]

ya you def didn't get banned for that

[copper flint]

just supress the chicken and the rat and u hv a normal balanced class , seems kinda simple to me

[visual swallow]

every single rust cheater sittin on a toilet in front of cumomo saying "whaaaa but I don't cheat" kek

[supple drift]

to me, just disable chicken fly.

[lunar crest]

Give chicken normal hit registration and make panther dash loose speed more rapidly

Also make rat form be a form in which you can be in for a limited time, start receiving dmg if you are rat for too long

[supple drift]

They can shapeshift whatever they like. Movement around with small hitboxes.
But, chicken fly is a big no no. Too huge gap on movement playstyle than other classes.

[copper flint]

how do you make a dash loose speed tho

seems strange idk

[wind juniper]

according to who? how many games have you worked on for you to know how hard shapeshifting is to balance, it's 2026 brother there's a lot crazier shit in gaming happening than a man turning into a chicken and jumping twice

[supple drift]

[visual swallow]

ya we need to see the code as well, without the code it's not even a well thought out hypothetical patch

[copper flint]

it means, supress rat and chicken then balanve around that, u dumb ?

[supple drift]

I like to see what the codes look like. is it well organized or.. like a spaghetti

[visual swallow]

"chatGPT, fix dark and darker"

[wind juniper]

imo druid doesn't need to be reworked necessarily but it would be the easiest solution, other just classes need similarly powerful tools for themselves to even the playing field, and ironmace needs to actually balance their most popular game mode, whether they want the game to focus on trios or not they don't have the playerbase for it

[supple drift]

[lunar crest]

I mean, slowdown to your max movement speed after a second or two, you still can save some of momentum and engage/disengage fast, but you will not be able to traverse 3 modules on a dash

[wind juniper]

but just talking about nerfing druid keeps the game in a stagnant spot where nothing new can come in because everyone's just gonna complain because their basic class is once again falling behind

[supple drift]

hmm.. what solution can ironmace do? I'm pooped.

[visual swallow]

druid being stupid is what keeps the game alive kek

[wind juniper]

there's too much TO do is the problem, where do you even start

[supple drift]

oh wait.. does that means ironmace will add new skills/perks across all classes so they will be equally powerful?

[lunar crest]

Ironhammer should nerf sorc, break his legs so he can only move by levitate or teleport

[quaint carbon]

NERF DROOD ANIMAL CAN WALK ON 4 LEGS WHICH MEANS ITS TWICE AS FAST WHAT DA HECK. IRONMACE PLS NERFF

[wind juniper]

that man is suddenly a bear, nobody told me there would be such nonsense witchcraft happening in my fantasy game

[quaint carbon]

FR WTF I WANT IT TO BE A REALISTIC FANTASY GAME

[supple drift]

realistic and fantasy are.. hm.. opposite, no?

[lunar crest]

Or return aqua prison bug with speed being saved on entry, it was mega funni and allowed to have iota of druid movement to you or your teammates

[wind juniper]

this is what they should do imo, and i've heard that there is more stuff coming for the classes so hopefully? but that's like .0001% hope

[copper flint]

comparing a casual game to extraction game meta is really not the same brother

[supple drift]

[dreamy bramble]

whens wipe fellas

[copper flint]

because meta is way more important when u hv literally sometimes 100h of kit on you

[supple drift]

if so, im hoping wizards will get more ice spells

[lunar crest]

DaD players dont wipe, they let it crust

[vale basalt]

Lmao

[copper flint]

[wind juniper]

i hope wizard stops having to sit for a quarter of every game

[supple drift]

crust? ew... i cant unsee it

[wind juniper]

i know they're old but damn

[supple drift]

[copper flint]

i hope the damage will be nerfed a bit then

[supple drift]

why not make mana bar? clarity potion to get mana back

but spell counts? idk.. i find it absurd

[wanton stream]

r u dumb. dungeons and dragons doesn't have a mana bar

[copper flint]

seems like a good idea, devs of this game are reputed to take idea of players u should tell them go ahead

[supple drift]

r..right

[wind juniper]

it's not very wizardly to only be able to cast 5 spells without sitting down

[celest grove]

Mana bar would be kinda fire
But an overhaul of one of the original characters would be crazy controversial and people would complain even if it was overhauled in a good way

[supple drift]

i see

[wind juniper]

sounds like the one class actually living up to their identity

[copper flint]

tbh idk why were arguing like we all know their not gonna listen to shit anw and gonna mke a space map at the end XD

[wanton stream]

alls i know is wipe tomorrow

[vale basalt]

I miss jay

[supple drift]

i really thought it's a lava map or floor

[copper flint]

he said he gonna play next wipe tho

[supple drift]

Please.. dont bring that up. it hurts..

[wind juniper]

just be happy we don't have actual good dnd forms, you don't want crocodile in the game

[supple drift]

i want swamp map with crocs. Croc will shake me hard like a shark from water map but spinning.

[lunar crest]

Hoping that firemap enemies will have water vulnerability, so penguin will be back in meta

[copper flint]

i like the idea of perfect frame inputs like in street fighter tho

[lunar crest]

Maybe make form switch not instant (scale it off resoursfulness), perk to insta transform just makes it faster

[supple drift]

how about disable panther chicken jump, but replace chicken's ability to "chicken fly"? so, people can predict how much cooldown. like warlock phantomize.

[copper flint]

i mean not as dumb as theyrs a MS cap but druids the only class than can Bypass this cap 🤨

[quaint carbon]

anyone can break the cap. anyone in the class can go faster than panther dash actually

[copper flint]

a second that does half a module tho

[quaint carbon]

not leaking the tech tho but you are wrong

[lunar crest]

I mean, same argument can be said for sorcs, there is a lot of combos but you cannot pull them off because you did not have 55 knowledge with right perks (aka class is unplayable), for druid you just need to build some res and transform will be fast enough

Instacast has too severe debuffs to be used outside of booksorc, rn instatransform for druid penalty is too low

[copper flint]

what are u saying bro 🥀

[hollow fulcrum]

people say this but then solos is 90% druids or rogues

[wind juniper]

it's not a "just build this" tho because we already need 4 stats, we can't build a 5th, everything would have to be reworked numbers wise for that to work

would be very hard to hit any meaningful breakpoints

i find this curious because all of the uproar lately is mostly because of the repoze vid, and though he's a high level player, there is nothing high level in that video that he's doing

same thing with all the leaderboard druids, they're all playing like a rat for 3rds

which any avg skill player can do

[copper flint]

I swear they had a free massive game if theyd just listen to theirs streamer/community but theyd wanted to follow a vision coming from hell

[wind juniper]

the last people with an opinion that should count for anything is the streamers

[copper flint]

i mean ideas not really opinion

[wind juniper]

i'm not saying he's not, though i'm p sure he hardly touches the class, but in his video his entire point and all he does for 20 minutes is 3rd party kills and run away from people if he's alone with them, that isn't high skill gameplay, and it's very replicable by nearly anybody

[lunar crest]

Well, you can spec into specific builds and not try to get every relevant stat?

As currently you can freely get enough STR and AGI to have a lot of dmg on druid for both bear and panther along with having enough HP and DEX, you should not have everything

I mean, everything can be resolved with having some kind of disarm on spell or skill, as you can freely grape casters while they are locked into a vigor check until silence ends, seems fair to have same options for casters against melee

[wind juniper]

then the class is even more pigeon holed as a solo class

we either need to have functional use of every form, or have individual forms be strong enough that you don't feel gimped 80% of the time just for picking it, at least in trios

i'm on your side with this take, i'm fr convinced that most people want this game to just be fighter vs fighter

they don't want anything different than their own boring class because they can't do that, so why should the other player

game's doomed, that's all i chalk it up to, enjoy it while it's still here

ideal situation is ironmace shuts down and someone competent takes over the dark and darker ip

[scenic ice]

Starting to feel this might be the only way

[slender gull]

i devour goblens

the small ones are the tasty

🤤

[limber cairn]

Fallout 5 will be developed with sticks and stones because the real world nuclear apocalypse will have occurred before its release

Lmao

[wanton stream]

loading screen simulator ass franchise

[static zodiac]

Praying for fallout 5

[visual swallow]

when was the last time bethesda made a good game lol

[topaz matrix]

1.Fog of war Hr only /double boss rooms on crypts set modules like goblin caves with less entrances for 3rd party
2.remove circle from HR
3.increase artifact chance
4.single red extraction requiring a hold of the area for 30seconds to 1 minute enemy players in the area block this
5. Remove all pve modes/decrease ques
6.add social combat tavern
7. Rework the interactions of druids movement abilities
8.limit arena gear to solo self found no crafted rmt gear or solo self found account-wide
9.return to hardcore grind for demigod and seperation by rank allowing more skill aligned pvp

[cyan monolith]

bro just keeps adding shit

[visual swallow]

there's a lot of problems lol

[slow ivy]

The single worst idea that keeps popping up....

4.single red extraction requiring a hold of the area for 30seconds to 1 minute enemy players in the area block this

Let's make a choke point to stall people so we can grief them while they try and drop down to the next level. I mean, you already have the red portal campers, this would just make it worse.

Not just a stupid idea, but very cringe.

[real fern]

Currently listening to Nickleback idgaf abt anythin 🤪🤪🤪

[visual swallow]

oh no I might have to fight other players lol

[topaz matrix]

You must run red often after losing initial engagement

[topaz matrix]

Improve it open to suggestions

[static zodiac]

like 5-10 seconds is much more reasonable

30 seconds is overboard

[slow ivy]

I only play on the Test, I don't PvP. But I don't need to PvP to know how stupid and lame that idea is. lol You can't find anyone to fight, because pvp is all you know, so you camp out on a busy street in hopes to find victems. But that's not good enough for you, so you want them to wait...LOL It's so f@cking cringe.

[static zodiac]

if you arent able to catch up to someone to interupt their opening of a red you didnt deserve that kill for real

[visual swallow]

literall just rip off hunt showdown and have a couple exits you need a key/item for, the items drop off of sub bosses like golems, make all pve leash to it's module, which would fix so many issues, players now have a reason to fight over and kill sub bosses instead of kiting them around, avoiding them, or trapping it on the bridge and shit like that

bam I just fixed like a dozen issues with the game

[wanton stream]

bring back the circle

[topaz matrix]

Ifyou do not pvp your opinion in this game is irrelevant find a new game sorry my friend

[static zodiac]

we already have it

[wanton stream]

right

[static zodiac]

make hr circle random shapes

[shrewd merlin]

Make outer modules significantly weaker than center modules. Make gear and lootables significanly increase towards the center. Require you to kill monsters for souls, use souls to unlock doors towards the center.

[slow ivy]

I paid my $40, I can run my mouth just as much as you. lol

[visual swallow]

that would be cool

[wanton stream]

run your mouth and be laughed at

[slow ivy]

Maybe if everyone just stood still in a straight line for you??? Would that help?

[static zodiac]

i like the central areas being better than outer edge modules, disagree with the soul idea though tbh.
it would be cool for the first while then soon just become annoying

[topaz matrix]

No there is a difference in a timmy pve player and a 6000 hour player who has played every single playtest and season your opinion is not valid if you do not have the experience

[wanton stream]

you should have a pve discussion where you don't have to talk to us and you can just back and forth with ai

[slow ivy]

Maybe...lay their weapons at your feet?

[static zodiac]

stop falling for the bait gentlemen \

[wanton stream]

all you have to do for a valid opinion is not admit you only play pve test

it's that easy old timer

[static zodiac]

solo dark and darker is peak

[visual swallow]

"I only play pve on test server" is pretty lulz, I hope it's trolling

[slow ivy]

I doubt many have more hours than me...stop trying to justify your input. Hours mean nothing. Game design means everything. Creating a choke point for players will create the problem of griefers camping that area and preventing other players from advancing to the next dungeon if they want to.

[wanton stream]

hours mean everything otherwise you don't know wtf you're talking about

[visual swallow]

how is cornering yourself for me and the homies to slaughter you griefing lol

[wanton stream]

and no pvp experience also means you don't know wtf you're talking about

[topaz matrix]

Why should players who cant engage in the games core mechanic and lose be allowed to the deeper dungeon with better loot?

[static zodiac]

what if they added two overlapping donut shaped circles

[slow ivy]

You could have 80k hours in this game, that's still a stoopid idea. lol Hours mean nothing.

[wanton stream]

you're dumb as hell

[static zodiac]

my idea is very creative and will fix the game, dont try to steal my idea

[slow ivy]

If you can't get them killed before they drop down, that's on you. lol Maybe you need to up your game a little bit, not change the game because you can't get it done.

[shrewd merlin]

It's to force actual PvE progression within each game so that you don't just rush through every module and merc anyone you see. It opens the door to PvE centric builds that give you an edge in clearing modules and advancing. Grouping mobs and aoe-ing them down, etc. More variety in builds and playstyles. Prevents griefing and ratting, and it's good for newer players.

Just need to incorporate a skip floor function so that you start where you want to start, rather than having to play top floor every time.

[topaz matrix]

How is it healthy to reward bad game mechanics with better loot because you cant fight in a hardcore pvppve extraction game

[static zodiac]

I just personally dont think its a idea very befitting of dark and darker for me, i think its a good idea for a game but not for dark and darker.
dont feel like im discouraging you, its possible I disagree but it may be better for the game as a whole, who knows

[slow ivy]

You don't do it by creating even worse game mechanics.

[topaz matrix]

Its not a bad mechanic its jsut bad for someone who like you doesnt want to engage in pvp a very core function of the game

[slow ivy]

Some people don't like the ruins, but love the crypts....why should they have to wait for you before they drop down to the dungeon they want?

[flat sierra]

is there a small hitbox hack?

like i just swung through someone 3 times

[static zodiac]

They already have to wait, a 5 second open animation would not change the dynamics in any way that isnt positive

[bitter bay]

Is anyone trying do some boss slaying?

[static zodiac]

please make a clip and report this, potentially cheating or a bug

[wanton stream]

yeah you can go pve on the test server with your boy kraze pendragon

[slow ivy]

You 'think' it's the core function...but it's a dungeon crawler with pvp. Some have taken the pvp part to extremes...which is fine, they can play how they want to play, but that doesn't mean they get to super glue everyone else to the ground as canon fodder. lol

[shrewd merlin]

Fair enough, but having everything just rushable kills the whole vision of the floor system. The game needs in-game progression (souls system, or something better, just a rough idea that Reave VR is seemingly implementing, which is another PvPvE like DaD but in VR). — Without danger and loot increasing towards the center, and having to actually clear the PvE to advance, it's just all meaningless

[flat sierra]

report it where

[static zodiac]

#report-a-bug

[static zodiac]

progression expansion is sort of hinted at for this wipe, lets see what IM Boyz got in store

[topaz matrix]

I hate to say it brother but you need a refund and a major life change if you think pvp is not the core function of this game

[static zodiac]

PvP is a core function of Dark and Darker

[nocturne scarab]

🐟

[static zodiac]

it is such a core function that several gamemodes, and balances are made around PvP

it is a cornerstone of what makes dark and darker, dark and darker.
what else can i say

[shrewd merlin]

I've always seen DaD since I saw it on the paytests as a PvE RPG game with a open PvP twist. Where PvP is optional and something to worry about over higher-level loot. The concept being a bunch of treasure hunters trying to level up, but it creates tension over high level objectives. PvP not the main gameplay loop.

[visual swallow]

are you sure it's not the darkness

[static zodiac]

It is like saying "Oh, building isnt a core mechanic of minecraft because i personally dont build"

[nocturne scarab]

We absolutely do get to say about pve'rs. SDF's desire to double down and cater to you guys as a reflex to his amazing business practices throughout the years is not indicative of anything other than a person who needs money doing what they need to -- for money.

PVP is what this game was supposed to be about. They doubled down on carrot on a stick because they realized what most hardcore game companies realize about their players -- the average player is you.

[topaz matrix]

When you cant even kill a boss together because of a teaming ban i dont see it as and rpg

[visual swallow]

pvp is the only interesting part of the game, people that say it's a pve game are weirdos to me it's like saying dota2 isn't a pvp game because there's creeps and jungle mobs and you can fight roshan lol

[nocturne scarab]

Now quick, say it's just a troll and you rage baited us all.

[static zodiac]

It is either bait, or a honest misunderstanding.

[shrewd merlin]

Yeah but that's a dev problem. I think the game devolved into an arena sandbox, and they leaned into it because that was the only fun left after all the PvE was solved.

[nocturne scarab]

Nature of a game that has items like artifacts.

High value item from one spot? Gamesmanship.

[visual swallow]

or people that only play against the computer in fighting games, weirdos

[static zodiac]

hey man, its the only way im able to win personally..

[nocturne scarab]

It's not even something you can blame the people farming it for because it's usually the PVErs who create a "necessity" for "swipers"/ 💳

[visual swallow]

[shrewd merlin]

Well like LoL is mostly PvE tbh, with short spurts of PvP. I think that's the healthiest route for the game... Mainly PvE with short spurts of PvP over high level objectives

[topaz matrix]

The fun interactions in the game were immediately killed with the teaming bannable offenses used to could whoop bosses then have your fight afterwards like men now its 3rd party instead of chatting an maybe going seperate ways after looting boss

[slow ivy]

I'm not sure if that's supposed to be an insult or what, but ya, I'm probably an example of the average player. You, maybe below average. There are many more 'average' players than...well, below average. So your kernal klink style of forcing pvp is never going to fly, they've tried it, rolled it back, tried it again, rolled it back....They've wasted so much money and time trying to quiet you squeaky wheels and it just never works. lol

[visual swallow]

no it's not lol

[shrewd merlin]

Arena is what you're after then.

[nocturne scarab]

Could give a fuck less how you perceive it. You failed to read the mission statement about what this game is and came here yapping about what you think it's supposed to be.

[visual swallow]

you clearly never played lol, people start fighting before the creeps even get in the lanes

[static zodiac]

You guys may disagree but lets try to be respectful

[visual swallow]

even the two jungle players are invading or defending a jungle invade before the jungle creeps spawn

[nocturne scarab]

Don't forget about "in-team fighting" over lanes 😛

[shrewd merlin]

Sometimes, yes, not that often. I play at masters because I'm washed, but the game, especially now, is very farm centric, with grouping for objectives and teamfights being 2nd prio

[nocturne scarab]

"bro give me mid"
"slur"

[visual swallow]

the highest form of pvp

[fervent lodge]

is arena self found

[static zodiac]

yessir

[amber spindle]

its so bad were talking about league in gen chat.

[icy root]

Did they get rid of duos???

oh nvm i see it now srry

[nocturne scarab]

tencent coming in clutch to own this game before long

[fervent lodge]

rip not coming back 🙁

[visual swallow]

[static zodiac]

devolving

[amber spindle]

if they fix the ratting problem the game gets 10k players back

[wanton stream]

na

[static zodiac]

you'd be out of a job

[nocturne scarab]

Dark and Darker: Team Fight Tactics in 3 months

[static zodiac]

Randy I have a serious question for you

[slow ivy]

I'm yapping facts...the history of the game. Details you keep glossing over. Stay in your arena. lol By the way...

@sdf More minions in the arena please, and make them all Nightmare level difficulty. Also...make the losing player/team gear lootable by the winners. No more of this risk free, care bear stuff where you get to keep your gear when you lose.

[visual swallow]

sdf said he wants to expand faustian as a full game mode lmao

[static zodiac]

MOB ARENA

[nocturne scarab]

Arena arguably more boring than your bait. Like I said -- now just say you're trolling and move on.

[wanton stream]

i don't want to read you talk about care bear stuff after self admiting test server pve only

[topaz matrix]

Please uninstall

[visual swallow]

arena is fun tho

[wanton stream]

that means everything you say doesn't count

[static zodiac]

Am I AI

[ornate ermine]

game with no pve mode 50k players btw

[nocturne scarab]

He actually said test server pve only? how is anyone falling for this bait lol

[shrewd merlin]

I think you're just dopamine deprived from the PvE, and so they only satisfaction from the game you gain from PvP. Fair, the PvE sucks in this game, no progression systems, no rng, no professions, no anything. So obviously PvP is the main source of enjoyment... I'm just saying what would make the game actually work, because as it is. If it was just the arena... the game would die... If it was just PvE, the game would probably die... They both need to be good otherwise the game doesn't work. But ESPECIALLY the PvE needs to be good because that's what new players play, not the pvp. The pvp you get rocked the first week anyways. - The PvE has to be good enough to hook players.

[nocturne scarab]

I'm just BMing the guy for being an obvious troll - now that i know he said test server pve only, 3000% troll

[slow ivy]

Read it or don't, or block me. I give a f' what you do. lol

[wanton stream]

yes you do you just told me

[nocturne scarab]

PGA tour 2k25

[wanton stream]

stfu if you don't, you won't

[nocturne scarab]

PGA TOUR 2K25 LOL

[static zodiac]

TheFriendlyFighter writing a novel

[visual swallow]

lmao

[nocturne scarab]

Writing the new sdf love letter copy pasta

[static zodiac]

Speak to us oh wise one..

[nocturne scarab]

About how he's gonna save the game

[opal knot]

This is what the game was before PvE, when everyone was stuck in the same pool, and all the Timmies, farmers, people on quests, and other folks who weren't just 100% searching for KOS targets had to navigate around veteran killers and talk their way out of situations they couldn't handle. Then PvE came along, now all those same people can brain-off complete these tasks in Safe Mode, they're no longer populating the collective experience with not-immediately-hostile adventurers. PvE Safe Mode causes the death of the experience you describe, because that experience as a result of different player types being forced together into the same pool whether they want to be or not.

[nocturne scarab]

tl;dr

[wanton stream]

yeah splitting the playerbase. big f

[opal knot]

Feel free to skip it.

[visual swallow]

pve only mode was a mistake, solos was a mistake, water map was a mistake

[ornate ermine]

2/3

[topaz matrix]

1.Fog of war Hr only /double boss rooms on crypts set modules like goblin caves with less entrances for 3rd party
2.remove circle from HR
3.increase artifact chance
4.single red triple to descend only winners of their lobby descend to the next level
5. Remove all pve modes/decrease ques
6.add social combat tavern
7. Rework the interactions of druids movement abilities
8.limit arena gear to solo self found no crafted rmt gear or solo self found account-wide
9.return to hardcore grind for demigod and seperation by rank allowing more skill aligned pvp

[static zodiac]

Literally this, dude

[nocturne scarab]

I'm a solo only player, I wish we could get rid of it, but I also know trios and premades + people playing with randoms is what drove us here in the first place
Such a strange reverberation of entropy this game has
One problem creates a solution that stemmed from a problem that was supposed to be the intent of the game

[ornate ermine]

solos is not a problem

[visual swallow]

solos was a massive mistake

[nocturne scarab]

I didnt say it was. I implied trios and randoms queing into premades on drugs in an fps pvp hc extractor is. Which causes tismo solo star wannabes to not play trios.

[visual swallow]

game is better as a team game

[ornate ermine]

people who don't have a team are "tismo solo star wannabes"

[static zodiac]

Allowing people to enjoy the adventure they want isnt a bad thing, the only issue that arrises from it is a queue issue

[nocturne scarab]

Yes... now that you're all caught up in the conversation...

[static zodiac]

that is the only issue that arrises from the existence of PvE, Solo, Duo whatever

[ornate ermine]

remove solos and u are gonna have a que issues 😆

[nocturne scarab]

Already implied that. Keep up please.

[static zodiac]

but reality of it is, you remove these modes you will get less players than ever

[topaz matrix]

1.Fog of war Hr only /double boss rooms on crypts set modules like goblin caves with less entrances for 3rd party
2.remove circle from HR
3.increase artifact chance
4.single red triple to descend only winners of their lobby descend to the next level
5. Remove all pve modes/decrease ques
6.add social combat tavern
7. Rework the interactions of druids movement abilities
8.limit arena gear to solo self found no crafted rmt gear or solo self found account-wide

[visual swallow]

lots of games are team games it's how they are lol

[amber spindle]

fair

[visual swallow]

the "let people enjoy the adventure they want" shit is trash

[wanton stream]

hey mama

[static zodiac]

subjective

[ornate ermine]

very weak

[nocturne scarab]

your rage bait? i'd say so

[wanton stream]

do you guys remember when slowmode was 60 seconds didn't that suck

[static zodiac]

we should make it 5 minutes

[nocturne scarab]

increase slowmode to 5min

[static zodiac]

interlinked

[wanton stream]

cells

[nocturne scarab]

nah i had the comment queued and was waiting for the next entry to put in time and i just fast typed 5 min

[broken pagoda]

🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇦 🇷 🇪 🇳 🇦 🗺️ 🇳 🇴 🇼

[nocturne scarab]

unfortunately these conversations write themselves

[wanton stream]

oh not the wave

[static zodiac]

copycat

[topaz matrix]

1.Fog of war Hr only /double boss rooms on crypts set modules like goblin caves with less entrances for 3rd party
2.remove circle from HR
3.increase artifact chance
4.single red triple to descend only winners of their lobby descend to the next level
5. Remove all pve modes/decrease ques
6.add social combat tavern
7. Rework the interactions of druids movement abilities
8.limit arena gear to solo self found no crafted rmt gear or solo self found account-wide
9.return to hardcore grind for demigod and seperation by rank allowing more skill aligned pvp

[nocturne scarab]

tbh i wish they'd get rid of the ap system or rework it so it wasnt an arbitrary grind that people log off once completed but then...

[amber spindle]

hi randy smokey bobandy

[nocturne scarab]

I like #4

#4 is pretty bis tbh

maybe get rid of static blues while we're at it and put the portals near the last red to give the team better control over gating rats

[topaz matrix]

It really should be the winners going yo the next levels anyways not rats and runners

[nocturne scarab]

I wouldnt mind norms not having this change though, i dont think people should be burning 20+ minutes waiting for a quest.

[topaz matrix]

Any that i am suggest sre all for hr mostly except need to remove pve ques i believe

[lapis hemlock]

when is the next wipe

[wanton stream]

tomorrow

[lapis hemlock]

FR ?

[topaz matrix]

Normals is normals thats where you quest learn to boss fight squire kits earn some blue gear an get ready for highroller we are supposed to progress but there is no negative downside to squire highroller no costly ap grind no consequences for rat behavior

[wanton stream]

graysun was here he said bla bla bla event ending

[lapis hemlock]

like tomorrow, i wake up and its the end ?

[wanton stream]

could be. there's only four tuesdays

[lapis hemlock]

i gotta run my kits

[keen zephyr]

There’s no set date confirmed as of yet

[lapis hemlock]

ok ty

[wanton stream]

you wouldn't know anyway

they don't prep you with the knowledge and say prepare for the discord zerg they just drop it and you pick up the pieces

and that's tomorrow's patch

[meager temple]

pretty sure every set wipe date that IM has announced has been pushed back the day of.... smart to change it to a month wide range

"sorry! somehow still couldnt create a quiver so we decided to push back until march!"

[visual swallow]

[cyan monolith]

tech

[weak shale]

anyone else having issues queueing?

[lapis hemlock]

nope

[maiden ingot]

I CANT Q PLZ IRONFART!!!

[rotund belfry]

https://youtu.be/Aw5uNSIV5SU?si=OksC-d_N47qSW_Fx

[cold escarp]

Whens wipe?

[sudden hatch]

january

[cold escarp]

what day?

[clever cloud]

💪🏼

[heavy valve]

is there a way to see the current server status?

[wanton stream]

today

[lean minnow]

when wipe?

[brisk halo]

We don’t have an exact day as far as I am aware

[wanton stream]

you have a patch coming in 12 hours

[brisk halo]

Im not ingame, is there a timer ingame ?

[wanton stream]

there's not been one every wipe so no that is not a consistent factor of telling

[brisk halo]

When was the last time there wasn’t a 24 hour timer ?

[wanton stream]

march 2024

i must be ai answering you like that

[brisk halo]

Idk that’s a long time ago but I suppose you have a point

[brisk halo]

It’s all good bro no worries I believe you

I just don’t remember anyways

[shy linden]

still no wipe

[finite flicker]

soon 🌋

[cold escarp]

is wipe today?

[visual swallow]

yes

[iron nimbus]

Haven’t see the wipe count down yet so not sure when is wipe

[turbid elbow]

they'll add this in next hotfix, hopefully by friday

[real fern]

sdf we have a problem sdf we have a problem

[subtle yew]

paul will save the game

[woven light]

How do you know?

[zealous tulip]

Ooooo did I see wipe by Friday?

[woven light]

Where?

[zealous tulip]

Someone said it... it hasn't been announced.

I'm sure sdf will wait until 10 mins before the wipe to announce it.

[bitter bay]

Is anyone doing boss fights in goblin caves need some gold ore for a quest, lfg has been no help

[subtle rose]

Surely all these helpful "knights" can help you out

[long mantle]

Wipe has us excited for a out 2 weeks then it dies again kinda suxs tbh. But communication would be awesome 👌

[finite flicker]

🌋

[static nexus]

i could help, i msged u from my second account

[formal otter]

Ever since Soma left communications have been very random...

If it was a regular thing we would not have to keep wondering when. A monthly blog (or sdf kitchen yap) would do the trick.

[finite flicker]

A lot of big moves and improvements right around the corner.
The wipe is planned for January, there will be a live QA sometime soon giving some solid wipe information

[livid idol]

Remove druid?

[obtuse lodge]

is next wipe day confirmed ?

[latent iron]

Is ifrit skin stats confirmed 🗣️

[obtuse lodge]

?

[sudden hatch]

january

[keen stirrup]

holy shet sydney full of fkin chinese name teaming

i need to 1 v 5 in solo q frost mount?

already get teamed by them for about 2 weeks

submitted report, continuously getting teamed in a row and still no any action?

[fickle canyon]

how tf do you find purple stilettos ive done 700+ runs killing harpys looting piles and killing GK and havent found 1 ssf is so god damn terrible

[warm fable]

Ice abyss
Ice hounds

[warm fable]

If you have a clip dm it to @ Chyunkus or his tea friend

Doing wardens job for free... Where is my title.

[errant isle]

Whys there like 4 people on US East and West combined?

[warm fable]

<@&988703997378584596> <@&1019888848773328936> is this real or disinformation?
#dnd-memes-only message

[jagged heath]

its just a meme

[warm fable]

Doesn't sound like one
Show it to any new player, they will believe it

Can I do similar mem myself impersonating Graysun talking about something?

[viral creek]

thats a good one

[jagged heath]

The edit is so absurd that it’s obviously a meme. There’s no effort at all to make it look real, and the reactions are just laughter.

[viral creek]

high effort content

[warm fable]

I'm not used to X platform or whatever it is
For me it kinda looks legit.

[viral creek]

rest assured it is not

[errant isle]

What new content is planned for next wipe?

[wet current]

we dont know

[turbid elbow]

nothing announced yet, most likely removal of circle and maybe gathering hall

[edgy glen]

I dont know.... looks pretty real 👌 if its fake im highly impressed

[swift coral]

when are we getting RTX on in the dungeon?

[errant isle]

Sounds exciting

[empty halo]

Volcano map!?!?!

[turbid elbow]

bro is bold, asking for another map after water map

[cyan monolith]

Its a joke bruh 😭

[empty halo]

Graysun said the floor is starting to get warm

[turbid elbow]

he do be saying stuff

[empty halo]

Damn i remember that

[turbid elbow]

hope for the best prepare for the worst; I hope the fire theme is for the circle replacement or random event for next season, or firestep cosmetic, anything BUT new map

[robust rampart]

https://youtu.be/qAeybdD5UoQ?si=QGrBXLvSk3v3zj0H

[supple drift]

One more day until announcement!! Ahh!!

I hope..

[strange sage]

surely

[heavy plover]

[drifting scaffold]

patchie

[granite surge]

Good morning!

[drifting scaffold]

gm Panderz ☕

[granite surge]

How are you?

[drifting scaffold]

very good! got this new coffee from mexico it's delicious

how are you

[molten iris]

🌋 🌋 🌋

[hallow lagoon]

so are they gonna increase the stingray egg droprate or....

[misty ridge]

probably not

[granite surge]

im jealous! i am a big coffee enjoyer. and im doing well, thank you! just waking up so ready for my first cup myself.

[misty ridge]

What if Arena allowed up to Legendary quality items for purchasing, but if you found an artifact you could use it

Would it create a power gap? Probably

but then we could use artifacts in arena

:D

[gaunt oracle]

Restrict use of red portals somehow (pull a lever, countdown to go down, require a buff from a nearby shrine.. SOMETHING)
Bring back minimum gear requirements for PVP HR entry
permaban the following:
Cheaters
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming
Those annoying bots that spam in the gathering hall

[drifting scaffold]

it never takes me long, the coffee calls me in the morning like a siren

[steady briar]

Guys I was just wonder what it actually happen if when there are patch to every and it was just like sbf had a merry cristmas and we were all happy and just making the dungeon over there and sometimes I just want to see repose back on my screen saying that about it, don't you think??!.....

[sudden hatch]

hopin they do the wipe on thursday so it gets delayed to friday night so i can come home from work and play

[dusk basin]

yes?

[scenic dawn]

fr thooo

[warm fable]

If only artifacts weren’t so over powered.

[cyan monolith]

hell no

you can reliably 1v3 with artifacts thatd be unfair asf

[iron nimbus]

yeah

it is not hard to 1v3 when you got a good artif

[cyan monolith]

viola zirkzis fighter VS 2 longsoys and a zwei lizard barb

[ionic fox]

Please fix reds

[misty ridge]

I mean that's kinda the point of them

[drifting scaffold]

isn't one of the reasons they keep reds open is so ppl can reliably escape? idk i think they just need to shuffle red stairs around more instead of always being same places

[ionic fox]

They should be fixed

[supple drift]

arc raider discord looks very... wild like the old times in this discord.

[drifting scaffold]

fixed how

[long mantle]

I miss when we had a thing called communication

[drifting scaffold]

?

[drifting scaffold]

#game-discussion message this was earlier

[west drift]

paladin when

[supple drift]

i like oreo icecream.

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-animals-fist-bump-good-job-well-done-gif-16712819

[supple drift]

[cyan monolith]

1 whole year they've been like htis

[cyan monolith]

dude literally said what they've been saying the past month

[drifting scaffold]

december 18 so not quite but yea

but the other guy said communication was lacking, i disagree with that

[cyan monolith]

😹😹😹okay bud

[drifting scaffold]

???

isn't it?? we're getting reassured on a regular basis it will be january no delay

[cyan monolith]

sure on a technicality its "communication"

but its far less than it should, they're essentially saying "yeah its gonna happen sometime"

unacceptable

[drifting scaffold]

we have 3 things confirmed for wipe and we have assurances it will be this month. historically it's the next patch which will tell us the exact date. what else do you need?

[cyan monolith]

from what they said sdf doesnt want much about the wipe said so i dont blame them since they arent allowed to speak about more

[drifting scaffold]

duh? they probably haven't even cut the branch for wipe patch yet

[cyan monolith]

you're a real treat to speak to eh

[drifting scaffold]

???

[latent badge]

Remember when there was this great robust community

And there was a fun game to play too

[cyan monolith]

now all we have is jake malding in general chat

heartbreaking

[safe dock]

it has never been a great robust community

[cyan monolith]

robust? like barb perk 😂😂😂

[latent badge]

I like to pop in every now and then and see just how good sdf fucked it up

Should've listened to your community, hold these nuts pal

[cyan monolith]

pal 😭

[drifting scaffold]

should have listened to the community and increased TTK by 5 minutes, removed druid after working on it for a year, removed water map after working on it for a year, make arena open 24/7 and kill the dungeon ... what else

[cyan monolith]

W

they shouldnt take the community literally but when everyone except the people who play druid thinks it ruins the fun maybe they should consider a rework since nerfs do literally nothing unless they just make the damage horrible

[swift coral]

people talked about warlock like that until druid was added

just wait for monk

[static zodiac]

Warlock did get nerfed a lot tho

Far cry previous iteration

[safe dock]

how dare thee take away gif perms in general

[idle light]

any news when when the new wipe is coming?

[safe dock]

#the-tavern message

[fallen tundra]

[static zodiac]

Wipe hype wipe hype

[distant yoke]

how to get 100k gold quickly

[cyan monolith]

kill people

[granite surge]

[trail arrow]

farm bosses or play Druid and stream snipe

You have to compete against the other 30 rats tho

[limber osprey]

when wipe

[gaunt oracle]

you can earn 150g per minute from vendor sales doing PVE HR water map if you're not confident in PVP. Should take you about 10-11 hours of farming to finish up your 100k goal.
I recorded one of my runs and uploaded to YT. If anyone wants a link to learn how lmk and I'll DM it

[limber osprey]

WHEN WIPE !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[trail arrow]

This month

[limber osprey]

u sure ?

[trail arrow]

Yes

[fallow pine]

The timer hasn't started on the total section of the leaderboard yet, usually they give you a month warning before season ends.

[blazing dirge]

hello. Is dark and darker working on geforce now ?

[safe dock]

dont be sure

[warm fable]

or ask people for money

[hallow lagoon]

What's so good about wipe?

[cyan monolith]

bro asked this yesterday

[timber orbit]

it’s a chance to compete and race against others in real time

[uneven fulcrum]

where to find pirahnas on water map?

[misty thistle]

ice map

[hybrid sequoia]

Why do you want dinner? You alrady had dinner yesterday.

Kind of same idea

[magic prairie]

Dead game

[grand drift]

[uneven fulcrum]

tru

[boreal spoke]

no they don’t, they usually only give a 2 week timer bud

[violet tangle]

I quit back in June, after a little over 7000 hours of active duty. Demi-god + Warlord multiple times, nothing was worth it. The game just stayed the same through the years, wipe after wipe. The mom and dad game of Tug of war we had to sit through with sdf and his team, the lawsuits, the delisting and relisting from platforms. All the while the game I just wanted to grow so badly sat stagnant. Since June, ive quit smoking after 12 years and had my first kid. Ive thought about coming back a few times but each time i look, its still the same. See ya later, Dark and Darker. It was kinda fun.

[supple drift]

7k? sheesh...

[vale oar]

7000 hours for this game
But it's got a slight dent in da back!!

🌋

[distant yoke]

which dagger is the best for rogue

[cyan monolith]

W chester stone W ball knowledge

[coarse summit]

Stiletto for the drip factor

[uneven fulcrum]

icefang/stiletto

[heavy valve]

good, one less streamer

[timber orbit]

i'm the richest ironmace volunteer in the WORRRRLD

[steady briar]

Imagining sevens thousnand ours and just saying it were kinda of funs?!... Get real man's and just forover stop making joke at sbf and his friends when you had whale of time on that gamer and just it?!.... Grow over dud and stop making big scare words at the intersnet, no scare

[static zodiac]

Im the brokest

[supple drift]

[coarse summit]

How do you even put 7k hours into one game genuinely

do you just play the game 8 hours a day non stop or what

[cyan monolith]

not that hard to spend time on something you enjoy

[coarse summit]

I have like 1.6k and I started with the playtests

[cyan monolith]

simple concept

[violet tangle]

10-12 hrs a day for almost 3 years. sad but true.

[coarse summit]

Simple concept? There are 8760 hours in a year..

[cyan monolith]

yup?

[coarse summit]

I think you misunderstood stand me, I know it's possible to get it but playing for 10-12h every day just seems insane

how do you do other things

[cyan monolith]

you dont

[violet tangle]

you dont

[cyan monolith]

simple concept

[coarse summit]

lmao

[violet tangle]

it was genuinely pretty fun

[grand drift]

[heavy valve]

this chat makes me not only want to uninstall dark and darker but uninstall games entirely

[broken heron]

No news still. @hexed adder can u give us some sort of timeline when we will get news? late this week, start of next week? last january ?

[cyan monolith]

ok

[violet tangle]

@heavy valve based

[drifting scaffold]

I quit back in June, after a little over 7000 hours of active duty. Demi-god + Warlord multiple times, nothing was worth it. The game just stayed the same through the years, wipe after wipe. The mom and dad game of Tug of war we had to sit through with sdf and his team, the lawsuits, the delisting and relisting from platforms. All the while the game I just wanted to grow so badly sat stagnant. Since June, ive quit smoking after 12 years and had my first kid. Ive thought about coming back a few times but each time i look, its still the same. See ya later, Dark and Darker. It was kinda fun.

the legend continues, 7k hour timmy

[wary mantle]

W copypasta

[zenith blade]

may I have some money?

[slate hawk]

I left the dungeons this morning, after killing a little over 7,000 spider mummies. They could have worshiped me like a semi god, a lord of war, but that never reached me. Their attacks just missed me through the game, spider pot after spider pot. Giant Spiders sometimes came to help, darn be them, as well as the centipedes and even a skeleton champion. All the while my wealth and power that I wanted to increase so badly stay stagnant. Since the last patch, I've managed to kill dozens of thousands and even managed to extract once. I have looked back and thought each time who is does a spider are to mummy? your sayjng somebody is go the dungens and is choosed to wrap a bandages for spideer ?
many spidrer. Hundreds spideer. Infinate spider...And then is a put they in a vase.? This is doesnt sense.......
remove spiffer mommy from you game . How many time im keel to a spider r r mumm.y.... becaus he is infinate coming from he jar, are to quickly.. ..... stop this nosense.

[drifting scaffold]

I left the dungeons this morning, after killing a little over 7,000 spider mummies. They could have worshiped me like a semi god, a lord of war, but that never reached me. Their attacks just missed me through the game, spider pot after spider pot. Giant Spiders sometimes came to help, darn be them, as well as the centipedes and even a skeleton champion. All the while my wealth and power that unwanted to increase so badly say stagnant. Since the last patch, I've managed to kill dozens of thousands and even managed to extract once. I have looked back and thought each time who is does a spider are to mummy? your sayjng somebody is go the dungens and is choosed to wrap a bandages for spideer ?
many spidrer. Hundreds spideer. Infinate spider...And then is a put they in a vase.? This is doesnt sense.......
remove spiffer mommy from you game . How many time im keel to a spider r r mumm.y.... becaus he is infinate coming from he jar, are to quickly.. ..... stop this nosense.

[atomic schooner]

need this google translated atleast 15 different times

[drifting scaffold]

on it boss

[slate hawk]

I edited my post, there were 2 spelling mistakes

[drifting scaffold]

This morning, I finally escaped the dungeon after killing over 7000 mummified spiders. They might worship me like a demigod or a god of war, but that's not the case. Their attacks were completely ineffective against me, and the spiders kept pouring out of the jars. Occasionally, a giant spider would come to my rescue, but it was incredibly frustrating. There were even skeleton champions or hordes of skeletons. Meanwhile, my wealth and power remained stagnant, with no substantial progress. Since the last update, I've killed thousands of spiders, and even managed to escape once. Every time I think, "Who is mummifying these spiders? Who is bringing them to the dungeon and selling them? Countless spiders? Hundreds of spiders? Endless spiders... and then putting them in jars?" It's ridiculous...

Please, remove the mummified spiders from the game. How many more times do I have to kill them? They pour out of the jars too quickly and too frequently... Stop this nonsense!

didn't get as cursed as I thought it would

[slate hawk]

Giant spider to your rescue hahah

Centipedes lost, but now there are more skeletons
Also dozens of thousands reduced to thousands

[primal dagger]

[trail arrow]

I’ve lost at least a dozen kits over the past few wipes to giant spiders disabling my ability to play the game while I’m in a fight 🥀

[drifting scaffold]

we got blocks on every weapon now tho how did it hit you

[half ermine]

Take out squires to riches and make it so if you queue into a game in squire you get squire lobbies. Boom rat problem and q problem has been “helped”

[drifting scaffold]

the return of gear based matchmaking 🤔

[trail arrow]

Most recent event was when I was fighting a barb who was running and he ran into the room in gc with a ton of spiders and a champ and I ended up taking backshots from the spider and his bardiche slammed into my head with reckless and I died in one hit

[warm fable]

i have none

[drifting scaffold]

spider backshots

[trail arrow]

Just your average barb moment didn’t even let me clear mobs

[drifting scaffold]

he ran into that room right? shit i wouldn't have bothered to follow

there's a few rooms I let somebody run into shit I don't care heal up and come back we'll fight again

[trail arrow]

I hit him with ls riposte, a full m1 combo, and a crossbow ofc im gonna chase him

Especially when the entire fight is based around his cooldowns cause he was running headshot build

[wheat smelt]

30k more for Zorin leees goooo

[mortal bluff]

How come this game is still alive

[gusty pollen]

It shouldn't shock you that all computer games are repetitive and boring after a while.
Learn to adapt, play new games.

[gusty pollen]

Hot tip! Don't get hit by Giant Spiders, use a shield properly, dodge, etc.

[supple drift]

shield is easy but dodge? how to dodge?

Jumping, crouching, strafing. Giant spider still just pew a tracking purple shot at me.

[drifting scaffold]

dude i know that shot tracks like crazy. far enough away you can sidestep but it's faaaaar

[supple drift]

pft...

[oak frost]

When new season?

[drifting scaffold]

soon ™

[broken pagoda]

I left the dungeons this morning, after killing a little over 7,000 spider mummies. They could have worshiped me like a semi god, a lord of war, but that never reached me. Their attacks just missed me through the game, spider pot after spider pot. Giant Spiders sometimes came to help, darn be them, as well as the centipedes and even a skeleton champion. All the while my wealth and power that unwanted to increase so badly say stagnant. Since the last patch, I've managed to kill dozens of thousands and even managed to extract once. I have looked back and thought each time who is does a spider are to mummy? your sayjng somebody is go the dungens and is choosed to wrap a bandages for spideer ?
many spidrer. Hundreds spideer. Infinate spider...And then is a put they in a vase.? This is doesnt sense.......
remove spiffer mommy from you game . How many time im keel to a spider r r mumm.y.... becaus he is infinate coming from he jar, are to quickly.. ..... stop this nosense.

[gilded glacier]

wipe when

[lean osprey]

Thats not a barb thing, its a ls issue. I double headshot a warlock with riposte, and a stab to the chest. He got to phantom away and kite me to death. Melee is dead

[spare sierra]

Controversial viewpoint... enjoying this game. Happy they put solo back. first time back in a few months

[drifting scaffold]

I don't think it's controversial, game fun 👍

[unkempt geyser]

Is wipe confirmed this month?

[slim scroll]

wassup simps

[drifting scaffold]

yeah it is

[slim scroll]

i never understood the simp mind. i tried but i couldnt

[drifting scaffold]

just go watch a pokimane stream

[slim scroll]

who is pokimane?

is he one of ishowspeed buddies or something?

[shrewd merlin]

She's a gamer girl simp trap.

[slim scroll]

i dont watch girl streamers they are all about showing cleavage and guilt tripping

i hardly watch anything so when i watch it better be good. girls aint it

[weak elm]

What the hell is hardcore arena

[drifting scaffold]

what? u said u dont understand the simp mind lol i said go watch pokimane bc she has a lot of simps to observe

[broken pagoda]

Nobody knows yet but I bet its gonna have something to do with faustian bargain

[weak elm]

So it’s not like you can bring named items into the arena?

[slim scroll]

what about you? you are a nice little textbook case right here

[broken pagoda]

Nobody knows, could be or not

[weak elm]

Sounds good thanks bro

[drifting scaffold]

ur saying im a simp? i like this game

[slim scroll]

i might be mistaken but whenever i come here to check things out your are always here. and always bootlicking.

[drifting scaffold]

"bootlicking" yea god forbid anybody plays this game and has fun

[solar shadow]

can players sue
over games asking for a friend

[slim scroll]

if you are really having fun good for you. that is not why i think you are a case study of simps.

its the incessant presence everyday to defend the game that makes me think that

[drifting scaffold]

yea if u think i only defend the game u rly haven't been here very long

[slim scroll]

tell me what you dont find good in the game then.

[drifting scaffold]

no in game lfg, took 3 years to add blocks to weapons with no right click, solos is awful, circle in HR is ass

water map is fun but the learning curve is too steep

still catching up with tech debt from making the game in 9 months

[lean osprey]

Never forget "semi semi wipe" after a semi wipe 💀

[slim scroll]

that was hilarious

[drifting scaffold]

i didnt mind the semi wipe but semi semi was a bit ridiculous

[lean osprey]

Whyd they even do that? I cant remember why lol

[slim scroll]

amateurs thats why.

[lean osprey]

💯

[drifting scaffold]

it was to to rebalance gear and see if combining all queues would work. rebalacing gear worked well but without ingaame lfg the queue thing was terrible

[half ermine]

Any dad clones coming out soon? I know most fall hunters coming in march

[slim scroll]

i rememeber that he said in his little kitchen channel that he welcomes all the complaining because it means there is huge interest in the game.

that was hilarious too

[drifting scaffold]

yea you get off calling me a simp and a bootlicker but damn bro you can't even read

[harsh marten]

Rebalance gear did not work we’re essentially at patch 68

[slim scroll]

oh by all means correct me

[drifting scaffold]

no i don't think I will lmao, i can't even imagine ur reading my messages

[half ermine]

I swear cquinn live in this discord I have never been in the general chat and not seen him spamming messages

[spare sierra]

I mean... this is the channel for fans of the game, it's expected some people enjoy it. nice to hear fans occasionally.

[drifting scaffold]

i sleep bro wdym

[slim scroll]

i knew it so i was right in my assessment of him. a simp.

for a moment there i thought i might have misjudged the guy

[wheat smelt]

need to throw some kind of event for streamers to come back and revivethe game lol

[spare sierra]

It's still early access, I imagine marketing budget is for eventual release

[half ermine]

I imagine this game dies before coming out of early access. Also pretty sure SDF stole the game because how could you create such a good game and then forget what you were doing

[slim scroll]

exactly. good observation. how can he mess things up so badly if he came up with the idea.

[drifting scaffold]

well good thing the korean court system worked that out for us. they didn't steal anything related to the game

[zenith blade]

@vale oar We have become Ancy. May we have early wipe? (A quick little poll should show the players interest in this)

[ember rain]

shhh we're on our way to the vision

[zenith blade]

Or Multiclass

[half ermine]

Not a single lick of communication from clay mallet on what content we are getting for wipe btw. If by some miracle monk comes out the game is prolly saved for a wipe at least. Doubtful we get anything besides 1 all on random pieces of gear and another sorc nerf tho

[half ermine]

Bro please can you imagine ssf multi class wipe

[cunning ore]

They already said what you'll be getting for the wipe.

[slim scroll]

you are asking the janitors of the building to do the executives stuff. dont ask of them what they cannot do.

[half ermine]

Where

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-limbani-monkey-wash-gif-19021407

[zenith blade]

Even if its this last week before end of wipe. Its one of the main reasons I bought the game and I never got to try it before it was removed again

[drifting scaffold]

genuinely never ceases to amaze me ppl who don't pay attention "wow they're not telling us ANYTHING"

[slim scroll]

i know its a bit harsh but its the truth man and you know it

[half ermine]

It would be dumb af cause everyone will go sorc insta casting cleric and wiz spells but it’ll be fun af

[cunning ore]

SDF mentioned a lot of stuff in some streams for the upcoming stuff.

[half ermine]

LOL

[cunning ore]

And a lot of it was also talked during their podcast.

[half ermine]

Bro thinks SDF yapping in a stream is a good source

[zenith blade]

Like what?

[half ermine]

You don’t remember when he said there would be a massive mid wipe patch this wipe with a bunch of new spells

[zenith blade]

And skill trees

[cunning ore]

That the circle will be gone and the new perks are coming.

[half ermine]

SDF has a fried brain I wouldn’t base much on his mid stream rambles

No circle will be huge

Only took him 2 years to try hr and realize why circle is ass

[cunning ore]

I mean, I don't take anything for granted that he won't add it again in some psychosis.

[half ermine]

Skill trees are never coming gus, more likely some weird multi class tbh

[zenith blade]

Dude, theyre already made. The devs are just witholding it to build hype, but they dont realize the longer it takes the more irate players will be if its not perfect. Not to mention the additional content people will want 3 months down the road.

[cunning ore]

Then again, early access is for this.

[half ermine]

Is it really early access if it’s been on steam for over 2 years

It’s just a cop out at this point for their trash dev

[slim scroll]

how about this lets give them this entire year to show what they can do to turn things around. if they cannot by then then let me tell you whoever keeps bootlicking here needs to revise his life.

[cunning ore]

I mean, its just a paid beta access, it's not the live game.

[half ermine]

Well sadly it’s still the best game out

[drifting scaffold]

a ton of games are in early access for 5+ years, this one just got to 3

wait not even

[cunning ore]

The more they polish the game now, the easier it is when they actually want to launch the game with proper marketing & etc, to go to an investor and get money for such.

[drifting scaffold]

we only just hit year 2 of EA last august lol

[cunning ore]

It wouldn't make sense to get big numbers now or do marketing when the game is still in half development.

[drifting scaffold]

i think even half is generous, we have a game with like 1/3 of the content they originally intended

[slim scroll]

the simp is already setting the premise for his eventual bootlicking later on at the end of the year

omg i laughed so hard just now

[cunning ore]

It's still very early for this game.

[coarse summit]

it will be in early access for 10 years like 7 days to die (thats if it doesnt die first)

[cunning ore]

I mean, I was playing Unreal Tournament 4 for even longer than this game's up.

And that one didn't even made it out of alpha.

[slim scroll]

anyone here play dayz

i need a hardcore server whats new in the dayz scene

[copper sage]

when is the wipe?

[coarse summit]

but i dont think they have any plans of shuttering the game otherwise why would they pursue court appeals about the game etc

[exotic seal]

Gm bud 🫂

[drifting scaffold]

gm 🫂

[cunning ore]

Game would have to go Live even before its shut down.

[slim scroll]

its about the reputation of the individuals more than the game. if they are labelled thieves their careers are over.

[cunning ore]

Even if they would run out of funds for development, its relatively easy to get investment to launch it once its ready for live.

[coarse summit]

could be right we will see

[pale sedge]

its not like there poor lol. The servers are buns and everyone buys whatever dlc they release

[slim scroll]

how many work there by the way?

[coarse summit]

Head count guy left so who knows

[cunning ore]

I'd reckon 30-40.

Maybe not even that much.

[slim scroll]

the progress they make is the progress a team of 15-25 makes

[pale sedge]

HAHAHA

[cunning ore]

Yeah probably around 25 devs and the rest support departments.

[coarse summit]

they said 100 at one point but that was a while ago

[coarse summit]

at least one person got the joke

[rose lava]

DaD is dead game now yeah ?

[pale sedge]

its in my name

[coarse summit]

true

[pale sedge]

when wipe comes and theres a million issues and servers are down for 16 hours it cuz i took a day off

[supple drift]

im still here, some people just gave up and moved on.

[cyan monolith]

during the lawsuit so a lot of that was probably legal stuff

[pale sedge]

its end of wipe bro

[coarse summit]

or you decided to work for once and caused all the issues

[cunning ore]

The genre of the game is also very nieche. It's a nieche within a nieche.

[pale sedge]

theres like a solid side of the community that are just die hard and i dont think they will quit lol (im one of them sadly)

[slim scroll]

are the players numbers increasing or decreasing? what is the trend?

[pale sedge]

decreasing (end of wipe)

[slim scroll]

if the predators dont find prey anymore they will also leave this little forest

[coarse summit]

they havent released numbers in a while so youll have to come to your own conclusion but downwards at least

[slim scroll]

a forest of only predators wont survive.

[rose lava]

doesnt matter i seen steam charts lol

[cunning ore]

Numbers will only ever go up once they go hard into marketing, that's the only way to bring players. Even making an exceptionally good game doesn't make people come back - may retain players - but doesn't really bring more by its own.

[coarse summit]

they already fumbled steam release making it look free to play

[cunning ore]

There's tons of excelent designed games, but if nobody incentivizes me, I won't even know they exist or care to touch it.

[slim scroll]

yes marketing became the most important thing nowadays with how many games are being developed.

[drifting scaffold]

f2p existing for this game brings in new players in a constant stream

[slim scroll]

without marketing you will get buried

funny how the most important factor that decides the success of your game isnt the game itself but the marketing.

[cunning ore]

I mean, marketing is itself self-explanatory on the name yeah, its catering to your market, and the market for games is very saturated.

[half ermine]

One day riot will make a dad clone

[slim scroll]

many good games no one knows about and many shit games with good marketing made the bucks

[coarse summit]

true but it being mixed on steam turns alot of people away

[cunning ore]

Marketing is just the art of accessing your market.

[pale sedge]

the reviews are legit fart + game takes like 40gbs

if i was a new player and looked at the steam page i prolly wouldnt download the game

[half ermine]

I can never tell if cquinn is a rage baiter or just like too invested in this game to function

[pale sedge]

pretty sure hes just a kid

[half ermine]

Also imagine being a new player and all you come up against is 3k hour sweats. Actually sounds terrible

[slim scroll]

yea i got that vibe too

[pale sedge]

same with warwar

[cunning ore]

Yeah, this thing is critical - this is a legit issue, in many games tbh.

[slim scroll]

true i am a kid inside

[pale sedge]

the learning curve is very steep

[supple drift]

The population graph goes up, down, up, down down, up. down down down, and further so.

So... yeah.

[cunning ore]

Anything that is surviving on its dedicated community its a hellhole to new players.

[pale sedge]

Down down down down Wipe Up down down down

[half ermine]

I think this game is way worse than most though. Dad mechanics are too intricate for noobs

[cunning ore]

All these necro games on Steam with less than 4/5k players, its all a sweat fest to join, you either really really like it or you'll get stomped.

[supple drift]

wish there are solutions for this game..

[half ermine]

Lmfao necro games is such a good term

[slim scroll]

this game is surviving by a thread just because no alternative is out yet that wont be forever the case you know

[pale sedge]

very punishing game with a competitive market for noobs if u cant boss

[subtle lintel]

when is wipe

[half ermine]

Personally I give this game max 2 years before it’s shut down unless SDF opens his eyes (and hopefully leaves ironmace)

[cunning ore]

Your active community has 2-3 years of experience ahead of new players, its very punishing.

[supple drift]

uh oh.. did we past 2 years?

[half ermine]

2 years from now

[cunning ore]

You would need a massive injection of players for a better experience.

[slim scroll]

its not just the experience its also the mentality of the player base.

it drives newcomers away

[half ermine]

Most the player base is late 20 early 30 chill dudes tbh

[pale sedge]

not just massive but u need a flood

[half ermine]

But this discord attracts some of the real bottom of the barrel basement dwellers

[supple drift]

i think we just need famous streamers to come and say DaD is the best.

[unique zinc]

never gonna happen

[half ermine]

No streamer will say that because they will get shit on by randoms for 2k hours

[pale sedge]

yes these streamers are gonna download the game and get stomped out by the first barbarian and say the game is good

[supple drift]

[slim scroll]

the biggest mistake is to rely on streamers and make them mascots of the game. this streamer if he changes side later and start complaining could ruin everything.

[supple drift]

oh well..

[pale sedge]

imagine being a streamer and a legit timmy in copper light just shits on ur whole squad

[unique zinc]

they are gonna hop on water map, try to jump from the water into dry land while glitching, get killed by a panther that turns into a chicken that turns into a bear and then they'll say that dad is bad and we'll lose another 1k players

[cunning ore]

They need to have a mix of skilled players and streamers.

Summ1t did quite decent in the tournament, other streamers can do it too

[pale sedge]

they just need alot of new players so than new players wont only be getting stomped on by 2k hour players 24/7

[grand drift]

[unique zinc]

just

[drifting scaffold]

i dont even think they need that actually funnel new players to pve mode where they should start

[pale sedge]

if u were brand new getting fucked by some landmine rogue 24/7 as a noob it would be a massive turn off

[cunning ore]

[slim scroll]

the sweats will always "stomp" the new comers

as long as the game mechanics are as is

[celest grove]

get rid of adventure mode

[drifting scaffold]

no

[pale sedge]

we shouldnt even have pve in a hardcore extraction game

[drifting scaffold]

like it or not it sustains players

[celest grove]

players we never see

[cunning ore]

I also agree that PVE doesnt belong here.

[drifting scaffold]

so what?

[celest grove]

its artificial numbers

[pale sedge]

pve doesnt contribute to the game at all

[drifting scaffold]

you wouldn't see them anyway -- they wouldn't be playing if the game didn't have pve mode

[slim scroll]

the pve is what is people playing right now form what i gathered

[cunning ore]

Its detrimental even.

[atomic schooner]

ive always wanted the pve to be changed to be something like tarkov pve

[drifting scaffold]

it would be even worse to split it like that. currently the pve mode has 2 purposes to onboard new players and give non-pvpers a place to play

[cunning ore]

There's no point to having PVE in this game. Game is all about PVP, monsters are just there as loot bags.

[drifting scaffold]

if you take away the onboarding you're gonna lose a lot of retention

[slim scroll]

they could work on the monsters ai

[glacial chasm]

Removing the ways players play your game worked very poorly for the game when they removed solos and duos, why do you think it would make the game better if they removed PvE. I am unsure if you've given it much thought but a ton of players are only playing because PvE exists.

[drifting scaffold]

no new players need the practice lol

[supple drift]

i dont think ironmace can ever remove pve because it was advertised publicly isnt it?

[cyan monolith]

HR pve should absolutely be removed imo

[drifting scaffold]

ppl already struggle with the most basic aggro and leashing mechanics there's no way they could handle advanced ai

[pale sedge]

its a private game / private company pretty sure they can do whatever they want

[supple drift]

but arc raiders have advanced ai than this game.

[cunning ore]

Because all PVE does is make you play even worse, floods the market with artificial gold inflation, deviates your development and its not the game anymore.

[supple drift]

I see

[drifting scaffold]

does it? i only watched some streams it doesn't seem very advanced

[slim scroll]

they could they just need to design it appropriately

[cyan monolith]

yeah arc raiders is also literally nothing like dnd

[supple drift]

hm I see

[half ermine]

Arc raiders ai is super good but I play games to PvP not shoot robots.

[drifting scaffold]

idk how you can say floods the market when gear is still the best value in the game

[pale sedge]

arc raiders is a huge map compared to dad and having rouges and druids mob dump 4 modules worth of mobs on u is already annoying

[half ermine]

Can yall imagine the alternate timeline where they realize the water map is a massive waster of dev time

[grand drift]

just play cleric 😄

[supple drift]

[cyan monolith]

its advanced but only in small ways, it thinks more like an actual person rather than AI which is predictable consistent AI behaviour

[cunning ore]

Because you go in PVE, extract with treasure, sell it to NPC and proceed to sell it for RMT or just buy the gear you want for zero consequence.

[slim scroll]

is arc raiders good?

[cyan monolith]

its alright

[pale sedge]

im not complaing but i think having the mobs do backflips and advanced bs is stupid

[supple drift]

@slim scroll currently, they are having issues with cheaters, op grenades, and crashes. so, probably not the best time

[slim scroll]

i never liked the 3rd person peek behind a wall thing but people are talking about it everywhere

[glacial chasm]

PvE doesn't make you play worse, it does inflate the market, but it doesn't really change development pathways. The game is still the same, you shouldn't let the existence of a game mode ruin your experience.

[slim scroll]

if its good i might give it a go

[pale sedge]

i dont think i ever loaded into dad and said "let me farm mobs killing skeletons is so fun"

[grand drift]

i mean it would be fun to learn again how to fight with stuff like that idk i like new stuff like that even if it seems bs

[slim scroll]

owwww cheaters no thanks

[cunning ore]

It makes you play a lot worse, you will learn nothing, you will get into the real game and get stomped even harder.

[pale sedge]

we have a new map filled with new stuff

[cunning ore]

Because by the time you go into PVE, if you dedicated that time into the normal game, you would have learned the game by the time you left playing alone with AI.

[pale sedge]

reworking core mobs that have been in the game is so dumb and a step backward

[grand drift]

well its always good for a game to keep improving the mechs of the game, maybe just me tho

[cunning ore]

You're just delaying your learning at the cost of inflating the server with gold and ruining the experience for everyone else.

[drifting scaffold]

idk there's something buggy with the goblins pathing since they randomized goblin caves

[pale sedge]

i agree adding new content is good but making pvp hardcore mode into pve fest sounds so boring and its just gonna be mob dumping slop in hr

[glacial chasm]

You are assuming PvE players are planning to play PvP. There are literally PvE players that main that, with zero interest in PvP. That's not a new concept. More players is a good thing. I find PvE to be boring, but the logic of removing something you don't play, is how we ended up with solos/duos removal, and the mass player loss that came from that.

[cyan monolith]

theres literally 0 hackers on arc idk what hes talking about

[coarse summit]

I've always thought items found in PVE shouldnt be tradeable or only usable in PVE it self after being bought

[supple drift]

so, ironmace just need to remove pve but make pvp fun for timmies?

[grand drift]

and this is why i prefer to play hr only cause i like the harder aspect of the game, and dont like to bully timys

[cunning ore]

I mean, if you want to play with no PVP then play on the Test Server. There's zero need or ever was a need for PVE in this game.

[supple drift]

ahem.. hackers are real in arc raiders.

[junior kernel]

when is there gonna be matchmaking timers added back to hr, every lobby has 4 players max

[pale sedge]

I usually only play hr and theres already modules that players avoid soley because of pve making pve worse will just influx that

[grand drift]

def hackers on arc but they deal with it a vary good way, best ive seen in years ngl

[glacial chasm]

They have PvE Game modes why would they need to play on a test server? PvE is fine, I am unsure why you hate that it exists. It has very little interaction with PvP.

[cyan monolith]

never saw a single one

[grand drift]

they are pretty rare for sure.

[slim scroll]

there are hackers and cheaters in every online competitive game its about how many not if they exist. if its a phenomenon then the experience will be shit.

[supple drift]

hackers are likely to hide their cheats like turning on in a certain time to see their position.

[cyan monolith]

obviously i didnt mean it literally

[grand drift]

pve is ok in dark cause its good for a new player to beable to wanna learn how to play, but i would like them to add more move sets for all mobs over all and make the game hard again and have to learn new moves from each mob again. like spiders landing on your head or something

[broken pagoda]

You do that and the hardcore PVPers will complain mobs are too hard

[slim scroll]

i will write a mind note that you do not mean what you say literally for the future

[cyan monolith]

k

[slim scroll]

so what does 0 mean? you know just for reference

[cunning ore]

Because the moment you introduce PVE in an extraction or level-based game that is exposed to PVP - you automatically reduce any difficulty factor of harder levels or deepers zones, zones stop being a journey and the whole game just becomes a pointless sandbox.

There's a reason people are more experienced doing Rooster than Dreadspine - because Rooster's easily accessible, Dreadspine's locked under 2 levels down, its intrinsically harder to reach because you're exposed to more PVP and the whole journey to reach it.

When you make a sandbox PVE mode where there's zero danger or walls, the journey factor doesn't exist anymore and you might aswell just put a map selection or module you want to spawn in because the whole difficulty is removed from the game - you have a simulator, not a "game" anymore.

[grand drift]

mobs are in the game for a reason, its a choice to pvp all the time, you cant always do that if you let mobs just runn around. all the time lol

[glacial chasm]

I feel like some people in the community fail to understand what zero really means, and constantly go around looking for things to be upset about.

[drifting scaffold]

you already contradict yourself though -- if pve mode makes everything trivial, why don't more people know how to do dreadspine? by your logic everyone should know that miniboss really well bc pve mode exists

[cunning ore]

Because nobody plays PVE to play the game, they play PVE to farm gold.

[grand drift]

also cant make everyone happy all the time either, people will always be upset and mad about something.

[glacial chasm]

You're just saying things that are false, why do you honestly hate PvE so much, is it just an irrational thing or is there a real reason behind it?

[broken pagoda]

That is true, people always complaining. Like this guy complaining about PvE when PvE is probably the 2nd most played mode right now

[cunning ore]

I already told you, PVP is there to gatekeep you from accessing harder content.

[grand drift]

honestly its what is keeping the game afloat atm. ngl

[slim scroll]

you know what ill give arc raiders a go it seems alright.

[glacial chasm]

PvP doesn't exist in PvE, and vice versa, so you haven't answered the question?

[supple drift]

[grand drift]

i am 500 hours in

[cunning ore]

Man, do you have some reading disability or something?

[grand drift]

lets be nice please

[cunning ore]

I am being nice.

[glacial chasm]

No, but I also don't lack coping skills to understand that the existence of PvE isn't ruining PvP.

[grand drift]

read what you said?

[slim scroll]

tell me the tldr, will i enjoy it for a while or is it a weekend thing. for reference pubg was a weekend thing for me

[drifting scaffold]

I mean it’s not ruining PvP but it’s definitely accelerating PvP

[gaunt oracle]

Restrict use of red portals somehow (pull a lever, countdown to go down, require a buff from a nearby shrine.. SOMETHING)
Bring back minimum gear requirements for PVP HR entry
permaban the following:
Cheaters
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming
Those annoying bots that spam in the gathering hall

[turbid harness]

imagine sdf making a channel to give us updates and then he doesnt post for a month

[grand drift]

nahs its proablay one of the most well made games in the last few years its alot of fun

[cunning ore]

What's wrong with what I said? If you can't read a text and comprehend of what's written of a well structured point - there isn't much I have to point out.

[glacial chasm]

You're acting irrational due to your hatred of a game mode you don't have to play, and you can't express yourself like a normal person so you are raging at anyone that asks you anything like a child would.

[drifting scaffold]

we’re getting a more disparate over time between PvP and pve instead of properly blending the two together

[glacial chasm]

Yeah, and I don't see that as an issue. Let them farm mats and gear in peace, and I will buy it.

[drifting scaffold]

I’ve watched pvpers mald over dying to pve and pvers mald over dying to players

[turbid harness]

seems like an honest response to the other guys statement

[cunning ore]

I literally wrote a 6 line about it - it isn't hard.

[supple drift]

I think Knav is being a ragebaiter.

[drifting scaffold]

no shit we’re all doing it

[slim scroll]

thanks mate i already purchased

[supple drift]

Lets uh.. walk away from that..

[drifting scaffold]

it’s just a natural response now to a disagreement lmfao

[glacial chasm]

It's not rage baiting, read what he is mad about. PvE doesn't hurt his gameplay at all. It's nuts to be this pissed that the game has PvE.

[cunning ore]

It does hurt the gameplay.

[drifting scaffold]

I don’t think he’s pissed tho

[supple drift]

Yes Knavbot, I see, I see.

[cyan monolith]

very very few

[grand drift]

let me know what you think.

[gaunt oracle]

Im with Knavbot. if PVE is distracting people from your game mode, maybe your game mode isn't that fun

[drifting scaffold]

I’m gonna start using this, very effective

[drifting scaffold]

sorry bro I’m not gonna consider this valid I know you’re a pve andy

[broken pagoda]

How is PVE hurting gameplay

[cunning ore]

The moment you're exposed to content you would otherwise have much less access to it because of PVP, its detrimental to the game - I don't understand how you can't synthesize in this.

And that's not even to mention the gold inflation.

[drifting scaffold]

but you could easily lol, you don’t need to PvP to rush 2 reds

[slim scroll]

i can tell you from now that i will find the 3rd person wall peeking annoying but maybe the rest of the game evens it out. we will see

[grand drift]

well when you can do it to its not so bad haha

[cunning ore]

You don't. Which isn't how reds should operate in the first place. And reds only open after a few minutes for a reason and to be honest, I still think they open way too early than they should.

Having access to a boss should imply that you're even able to defend the area in the first place from PVP.

[turbid harness]

@glacial chasm do you play pve because you dont know mobs or just bad at pvp?

[neon kite]

Half of the people playing the game cheats so how would playing against that be any fun anyways ? Like who cares about being able to do a boss on hr if you can’t even get an artifact?

[cunning ore]

If you want to learn something of the game, learn it like everyone else and be exposed to all factors. Including PVP, otherwise you're just diminishing the value of things overall for nothing.

[glacial chasm]

So a PvE main experiencing content, that they wouldn't see in PvP ruins the game. That's sound logic.

[turbid harness]

i haven't ran into cheaters ina long long time

[grand drift]

i mean i played hr for like 10 hours yesterday farming bosses never saw a cheater.

[cunning ore]

Yes, it does. Because you wouldn't see it in PVP - so you shouldn't see it - yes - that's how a game works.

[neon kite]

And I’m sure your enforcer rating is low unfortunately for you mine isn’t . Thinking there isn’t cheaters on here is absurd for sure.

[drifting scaffold]

but that's the whole point of restricting loot in pve modes

[glacial chasm]

Irrational hate for players that support the game you play, and you benefit from it is wild.

[drifting scaffold]

yea atp ur not even addressing his point

[turbid harness]

just said i havent ran into any in a while

[neon kite]

They out here gango

[cunning ore]

No - not irrational hate - its called a game.

For the same reason when you put a coin on a pinball machine, you're not entitled to sit there for half an hour just because you've put a quarter.

[glacial chasm]

There isn't a point, he's fighting imaginary PvE Demons that are ruining his concept of the game which doesn't exist.

[coarse summit]

chat is spicy today

[drifting scaffold]

no he's not, he's specifically saying that harder content should be gated by the most challenge

[turbid harness]

@glacial chasm why do you like pve so much?

[neon kite]

Yes cheaters

[glacial chasm]

A cockatrice and a dreadspine are not hard content.

[grand drift]

yes yes it is 😄

[cunning ore]

[turbid harness]

ez mobs just dodge

[supple drift]

[grand drift]

well every mob is easy when you learn the combat of them

[glacial chasm]

You can kill the dreadspine by standing still and just hitting him until death. So you don't even have to dodge in some cases.

[cunning ore]

You're entitled to content in a game, because you've beaten the game, you lose or you win - not because you've paid for it.

[turbid harness]

why complain then?

[glacial chasm]

I'm not complaining about the difficulty of mobs? Are you arguing with the wrong person?

[turbid harness]

no arguing just asking questions (calm down buddy)

[coarse summit]

apart from wyvern deciding to jump when youre right infront of it

[glacial chasm]

#the-tavern message

[supple drift]

[neon kite]

So you just … dodge

[turbid harness]

still just a question? (i even rephrased for you)

[grand drift]

this is why i have friends that kill the wyvern for me 😂

[coarse summit]

rogue double jump is nice for it because the second jump cancels the momentum and i think barbs ironwill stops it

otherwise gl youre getting yeeted

[neon kite]

It’s because your sitting in front of him too long doing the cheese

[supple drift]

did someone say...

[coarse summit]

meh its worth it for the damage

[slate hawk]

Against the Wyvern the best strat is to always be moving, and not use slow-swing weapons that would make you slower at the wrong time

[supple drift]

CHEESE?!!

[neon kite]

At some point you need to let him dash and get out of the way

[coarse summit]

you can combat it by always being by its side not directly in front, that gives you a split second to move

[neon kite]

🐲🧀

[supple drift]

🧀

[slate hawk]

Cleric Troll Druid trap cheese meta when?

[coarse summit]

can we get a rat trap to combat druid rat form

[slate hawk]

^
Add rat traps with cheese as bait for rat druids

[coarse summit]

put some cheese in it they cant resist

[supple drift]

yeah, so rat druid cant control it and being dragged into a trap

giggles.

[coarse summit]

twins

[supple drift]

and there goes silent.. sigh..

[fickle talon]

to me my xmen

[proud cradle]

this game died when druid was released RIP had a good run

[glacial chasm]

At least we still have Dungeonborne, shouldn't be an update any day now.

[cyan monolith]

😂

[coarse summit]

people like to reply to things they disagree with so if people arent ragebaiting chats pretty quiet

[supple drift]

Okay, uh... Druid is balanced. All classes are framing druids.

[coarse summit]

[lost plover]

That's the secret............. always has been

[half ermine]

Here’s the question, do you struggle with Druid outside of solos

[bitter bay]

Anyone wanna do some boss fights?, trying to learn them but no luck doing it solo

[mystic spindle]

The floor is starting to get warm 🔥

[misty ridge]

No, no it isn't, and it wasn't ever

[lost plover]

Eh you know my opinion. If they made druid have to go human between forms it would fix everything

[misty ridge]

Make Druid forms stronger in their own individual regards but then require the player commit some time to each form they change to before they can swap out

To me the whole issue stems because Druids essentially have no real compromise for swapping between all forms, allowing them to switch forms to do a super dash with high momentum that carries into the usually slow bear form

Or when their large bear gets low, they suddenly turn into a rat 1% the size

[glacial chasm]

Give druids the option to wear a saddle, let mounted fighters with spears take over GC.

[misty ridge]

I don't know how my friend would feel about that

[glacial chasm]

Is your friend a druid, or a fighter?

[worn rain]

Give Druid super hamster form

[misty ridge]

Druid

I am a fighter main

[lost plover]

As long as I get this on my penguin form i'm in

[glacial chasm]

Well look you already have an amazing duo if they would just add that.