the-tavern

[wind juniper]

i blame solos

[nocturne scarab]

bard + druid for me
can build buff dura and mheal + some other combat stats and detach from the buff comp with some extra time on your hands

[wind juniper]

solos ruined the game sdf was right all along

[latent furnace]

cleric all the way simply because i stand firm in my belief druids were a mistake, and I dont want one on my team c:

[wind juniper]

druid saved the game

[rich raptor]

🧢

[scarlet saddle]

remove water map

[lost breach]

Can’t believe people still play this dog water

[hollow fulcrum]

from what? because it saved the game from being fun for two wipes and is now irrelevant dog water outside a support roll where its as or more broken than cleric

[wind juniper]

saved the game for me :)

[hollow fulcrum]

understandable, im glad someone's having fun at least

[delicate ibex]

Sure Druid was a horrible idea that ruined the game. But on the other hand it led to the most fun I ever had in DaD: becoming a pirate and slaughtering penguins underwater. So maybe it was worth it.

[smoky thunder]

Noticed the 86% big dump of reviews today. Why? No update? lol

[tender dew]

me bored what class should i play

[wheat field]

acccidentally sold all my coins witht hen fill button am i cooked?

the huntress coins

[sudden hatch]

😭😭😭✌️

[covert maple]

longsword needs a buff so bad man. Like i legit have 37.5 phys power and 4 true with a legendary longsword with one additional. I parry a rangers spear hit headshot him with the parry and he doesnt die in one hit that makes zero sense dude. its a ranger bro

[subtle mauve]

bait used to be believable

[covert maple]

nah bro im so deadass thats not even ragebate thats just ridiculous the previous game i had 29 phys power and 5 true hit 2 clean head shot parries on a plate shield fighter and hes not dead. Its actually ridiculous like bring back LS's multiplier longsword is unplayable rn

[bold pilot]

gj sdf

[subtle mauve]

I mean if the fighter is in decent gear I would hope a full tanky pdr shielded up fighter doesn't die in 2 headshots

[visual swallow]

weapon no kill in 1 hit, weapon no gud

[atomic schooner]

fuck that. become blue fighter with pavise

[bold pilot]

game is dead and it's done solo handedly

[trail arrow]

oh wow hitting one block doesnt win you the game crazy

[dreamy vine]

whos cool

[livid chasm]

anyone know how to open the centre door in doom cage?

[wind juniper]

lever on one of the corners of the center structure thing

[nocturne scarab]

increase slowmode please servers freaking out

[bold pilot]

^ +1

[vernal marten]

watched a lorr video today and bro was saying how dead the Hr lobby and normal lobbies are lol

[bold pilot]

that game was fun once. like really fun

[cunning frost]

It takes minutes to find lobbies and they are empty

[uneven thicket]

what gamemodes work with dungeon recoveries

[bleak fern]

best bard kit rn??

[prime wing]

Buff panther, panther is weak still

[hybrid jolt]

Hey just wanted to complain again SDF. Make the quest for the torch easier please

[quaint carbon]

the reddit druid haters are gonna come full blast

[wind juniper]

that’s the spirit my boy we can coexist

[gentle violet]

no players with gear in hr no players with gear in norms where are the players oh wait they are gone because these devs have ego disorder

[slow ivy]

The quest to interact with 100 torches?

[gentle violet]

i think they mean stingray egg

[vernal marten]

yeah just played 3 games.... first game found a single warlock and slayer fighter... 2nd game caught a GLIMPSE of a rogue and went to chase him.... never seen him again... 3rd game killed a booty warlock and then he proceeded to whisper slurs to me XD im so glad this game is dead. i hope the go bankrupt and have to sell it to another competent dev team ❤️

[nocturne scarab]

#MeToo

[tender dew]

whats a good way to deal with litch minions as a bard

[wind juniper]

what i usually do is find a red so i can do gk instead

that's the best method

[iron minnow]

I hate sdf

[keen briar]

Why is my game so mid 😔

[scarlet stirrup]

is there a patch today or they will just keep us waiting another 2 weeks?

[forest saffron]

There was a patch 5 days ago smart guy.

[scarlet stirrup]

Circle and random dungeon should be removed fast

[forest saffron]

You should read patch notes and sdf kitchen. The ability to inform yourself is yours.

[scarlet stirrup]

are you about to cry lol? im just asking for a patch to remove circle and random dungeon

[forest saffron]

Are you getting emotional over objective information? Information that I had no responsibilty to give you? Doing so was taking time out of my day to empower you with the confidence that you, sir, can find out any information you need, just by reading two channels? I was just informing you, sir.

[scarlet stirrup]

go back to reddit buddy

[forest saffron]

I am not your buddy. I was just giving you a tiny ammount of attention in order to better inform you of your ability to inform yourself.

[scarlet stirrup]

holy fat redditor in the discord, go back to reddit BUDDY

👆 🤓

[forest saffron]

Namecalling is against the rules in this discord, this is not reddit. I am not your buddy, i'm not sure if you think that everyone who talks to you is your friend, but that's not how socializing actually works.

[scarlet stirrup]

lol alr

[quasi hawk]

Idk why but i picture you blowing bubbles out of a pipe when you typed all that out lmao

[forest saffron]

All what? I typed 39 words, two sentences. Is that advanced writing to you?

[wind juniper]

the word all usually just means "the entirety of" 🤔

[quasi hawk]

Not at all lol, I pretty much told you what i pictured when i read your comment. U seem upset, how about getting off discord for the night, im out of here anyways i just wanted to read the patch notes. Back to Tarkov

[forest saffron]

What do I seem upset about? Trolls like you do not bother me, there are millions just like you. Like a mosquito. zzzz zzzz zzzzzz, SLAP. Easy peasy.

[alpine moth]

He might be upset guys.

[forest saffron]

What am I upset about?

[forest saffron]

Just another troll, proving my point. You guys do not bother anyone.

[alpine moth]

He might be bothered guys.

[forest saffron]

Blocked and ignored for low effort trolling.

Misquito repellent works wonders.

[limber cairn]

*mosquito

[forest saffron]

Mosquito** Not *Mosquito

The asterisk always goes at the end, that is proper punctuation.

[keen anvil]

solo duo STR when??

[pure plinth]

remove water map from hr pls i beg u

[dusty rampart]

so uh when wipe fr

[hollow fulcrum]

never

[ember snow]

@hexed adder delete the 'do not fill empty' button pls

[obtuse harbor]

This game had me tied down, I couldn't stop playing it. I try arc raiders and im finally free.

[rancid marten]

The loot just doesn’t scratch the itch- but to be honest they aren’t even trying to retain the playerbase at the moment so im proud you broke free

[worldly heart]

man sucks wasted 3k+ hours on this game and ill be honest i see them closing doors pretty damn soon it feels like shit i was hoping that they would get their shit together but i dont think they can fix what they have done to it now all my hope it that they sell it so we can hopefully get better ownership

[bold pilot]

This happened to me today too ^^

[turbid elbow]

space map hype

[hollow crescent]

If anyone has fulgor or viola for sale shoot me a dm

[eternal hawk]

Hi @keen zephyr, when the barbarian crushed the door and I was just beside it, I was hit by a splinter and was slowed 80%. How do I overcome this challenge?

[dawn mist]

Why ?

[mild flax]

whats a good arena class other than wizard and why

[zinc plinth]

barb. fighter. I see a lot of Clerics

[mild flax]

how much does a good fighter kit cost that u can use through all the elos would u sya

[zinc plinth]

im sure something around 8k will get you pretty far

probably cheaper honestlymy wiz kit is really cheap

[quaint carbon]

wizard ranger are the strongest most busted classes. especially in arena

[desert drift]

So haven’t touched it since arc came out. Decided to load up for ol times sake, see what’s going on in the dungeon and dear lord why did they change how all the gear and stuff looks in inventory? It looks absolutely terrible now lol

Idk if they’re going for a RuneScape look or? It looks so much more unpolished than it did before, I hate it looking at this gear is making me 🤮

[final monolith]

i think youre mad

[ember snow]

because that thing is useless to me

[hybrid sequoia]

you actually need to have it checked for it to work you know

[ember snow]

I mean the "exist" part of it.

If they want their game to be more about 'Teamwork' cooperating with other players instead of your friends or go Solo, Duo in Trio. Why don't they just remove it?

[hybrid sequoia]

that's what voip in game is for, if someone doesn't have it on, he plays wrong game mode and I will point it out to everyone with it off when for whatever god forsaken reason I'm playing randoms

[fresh flame]

this game is trash

[drifting scaffold]

you’re kidding right? it’s way better for clarity now than before

[late bolt]

they arent removing random dungeons though unless i missed something

[late bolt]

i hated it at first but now i got used to it and its fine tbh. new bad ig

[drifting scaffold]

always new bad 😔

They even fixed most of the shiny ones

[late bolt]

yea now i think its better at first it was just annoying not recognising certain items on the fly when shit is happening

[compact barn]

Why so much pll come to DaD discord to say they don't like the game? Just leave discord and uninstall the game idk stop crying pls

[late bolt]

honestly. i quit the game until recently when they removed solos and duos and i didnt feel the need to come in here and cry about it 24/7

now im back and i think its ok tier

i mean its ok to have criticism ofc but thats sMth else

[hybrid sequoia]

nah, they ones who come here to say it don't quit, the ones who actually do leave a review or go, or just go in silence

[livid chasm]

i dont mind it mostly, just hate most of the boots, they feel kinda same-y to me

oh, and the sturdy boots look dumb imo lmao

[late bolt]

sturdy boots do look goofy. like toddler sized idfk pigache too

disney boots

[drifting scaffold]

lmao true Disney boots. I just need dashing boots to look a bit more different

[fallow umbra]

what’s this “space” idea? it’s a dungeon (speed) crawler. remember kiddos, every rock bottom has a basement

[daring field]

Current online?

[fallow umbra]

also what happened to the art style? i don’t understand who allows these things to happen.

[hybrid sequoia]

nothing, sdf probably had another stroke, or is making up excuses to not add any kind of masteries or talent trees or paralel progression or even rework HR or make HR dungeon actually fun to play etc

[fallow umbra]

that’s a shame, sdf consistently downgrades everything from athletics to forcing people to do what they want instead of listening to us. maybe it’s time to let someone else take the reigns and make DaD great again @proud copper @hexed adder

[drifting scaffold]

lmao @ "make the game great again"

what a joke of a statement to make when the game is almost exactly as it was 3 years ago

[fallow umbra]

please leave this discord and don’t come back.

[hybrid sequoia]

that's the fucking problem, 3 years and we haven't moved forward in any significant way besides surface changes and additions

3 years of constant flip flopping, adding +all and removing it, changing axe specialization and weapon mastery by the exact same values up and down patch to patch, and the game is stagnant

[prime wing]

remove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water map

remove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water map

remove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water map

no one wants to play this piece of shit,just fuck off the water map

remove the water map,or sdf will die in shark's mouth

[timid hollow]

Nothin but love for the water map ❤️

[formal otter]

Maybe you should watch some footage from 3 years ago. You don't realize how much it changed because you probably played through every small patch.

[short peak]

remove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water mapremove the water map
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no one wants to play this piece of shit,just fuck off the water map
remove the water map,or sdf will die in shark's mouth

[sudden hatch]

someone lost a kit to the shark

[arctic atlas]

what does boof mean

[warm fable]

W tournaments Graysun

[rocky thicket]

Sdf be a good boy and wipe the game

[warm fable]

find a solution for game to not be boring after half a season

[rocky thicket]

Every game that runs on wipe cycle is boring after half way point unless you’re trash

[warm fable]

unless you’re trash what does this mean

oh the opposite

[rocky thicket]

What you just deleted made no sense

Yes opposite of what u said lol

[warm fable]

so if someone that is bad at the game doesn't get bored

because there is always room for improvement ?

[rocky thicket]

Well if you’re trash you have something to do. I’ve got my egg/religion skin/ran 5+ artifact kits I bored

[warm fable]

same

do think more farming staff needs to be added to the game(so you have stuff to do)
or mid wipe events should be added?

[rocky thicket]

The skins that are “end game” are very good they should add more

Maybe instead of 100k skin add a 1milluoj gold skin

[late bolt]

cosmetics r the only thing that stay forever so yea

demigod just too boring its a glorified battlepass

[warm fable]

yea skins are good motivator to continue playing.
but is it fun thing to do? they force us to farm so we can get some skin

[rocky thicket]

Well demigod used to somewhat of a grind. Now you don’t lose any ap lol

The fomo a skin brings on is bad but if you’re enjoying the game fomo skins are great

It’s a tough balance imo

[late bolt]

wiping is also a tough balance tho. like u play the game a lot but they cant consider people that take longer or arent constantly playing jsut this game for wiping earlier

but yes the game gets boring obv. why half the playerbase disappears after few weeks

[rocky thicket]

Wipes are the best part of any game

That’s why arc poppy will die

[warm fable]

and the only event is the opening of trade and marketplace

[rocky thicket]

Ssf only wipe would be amazing ngl

They better make arena minted gear only.

[late bolt]

yea i miss minted this swiping shit is boring

[warm fable]

🔥

[late bolt]

and it added another grind which was just palying the game which was fun

[warm fable]

true

[late bolt]

no idea why they got rid of minted. i just got back and assumedi t was still there lol so i was minting good pieces

[deep stratus]

can we get the damned water map out of rotation, freaks who choose to play it should just play it separately, no need to get law abiding citizen under that bus

[rocky thicket]

Early wipe strat-get gold storage/a stash full of trolls milk

[warm fable]

also boss rooms have almost fixed location now
can we have fog of war back? 🥹

[rocky thicket]

Just remove zone and we cool

[late bolt]

like what was even the logic to remove minted gear it made so much sense in this game

[rocky thicket]

Especially when they added minted in the first place because of arena lol

[warm fable]

so peopel that don't have time to grind gear can still have even playign field(gear)? I guess

[late bolt]

i dont see how it makes it a more even playing field it just promotes bad behaviour ( 💰 )

[warm fable]

i think devs are just testing stuff

[rocky thicket]

They won’t have time when all legendarys are x2-x5 the price

[late bolt]

it promoted playing the game urself

[rocky thicket]

I hope they don’t change gear stats for the 10th time next wipe. The socketing is great because you won’t truly have the bis through socketing you need +3dex as an example

Gear stats are best they’ve ever been imo

[warm fable]

`07.07.2025
The reason SSF was not maintained recently in the arena was due to accessibility concerns. However, since we have now created more opportunities for players to overcome gear deficiencies with skill, we plan to retest the SSF format.

The arena must be clearly linked to the dungeon farming loop, and the significance of dungeon farming should be preserved at a high value.`

season 7: SDF forgets what he said

[rocky thicket]

What ever happened to Terrance?

[warm fable]

he became inventory guy

[rocky thicket]

Lol

Wonder when we’ll get to use those slots below our inventory

[late bolt]

Accessibility concerns

what.... literally makes 0 sense. playing the normal game is now an accesibility concern?

ppl that oculdnt get mintied sets

cant now either unless they swipe hard

and even with minted u could get an ok set with just crafted shit except neck maybe

[rocky thicket]

Fang of death necklace is pretty nice crafted

Purple frost amulet with 4stat lines

[warm fable]

I think +all will be removed or changed.

[tough jay]

probably after space comes out and leathersmith will be able to craft a spacehusk after 30 quests which is 6 extra slots positions horisontally so you can even put 3 slot tall items.. ofcourse you'd have to kill 300 of the new 'moon spaceogre' boss to get one of 3 drops needed to craft it oh yeah let's not forget the megaultra super rare once in 10 lifetimes drop which gives you another torchskin and a dlc which let's you equip 2 torch skins one in each hand

[warm fable]

Don't even mention space or SDF will think we want it.

[tough jay]

he already knows we want it through his vision

[late bolt]

ive always thought its a shit stat tbh. its like required but makes everything it shares a slot with worthless. is that ever fu nfor anyone? i guess it makes mroe 'rarer' gear

[warm fable]

`When I tested the All Attributes option multiple times (though it’s been a while and my memory is a bit fuzzy), I wanted to verify whether this option gave a relative advantage mainly to frontline classes. After conducting several tests, I agreed with the negative feedback and didn’t see much necessity for it, so I eventually removed it.

However, over time, I forgot about it (please keep in mind that I’m just a chimpanzee who cooks), and someone suggested that applying a very small amount of it to certain slots (like necklaces) might add some fun, so I decided to try it again.`
#sdfs-kitchen message

[late bolt]

i think build variety is fun and one size fits all stat sticks like that are bad from a game design perspective

[rocky thicket]

+1all should stay on necks/rings you don’t need it to succeed

[warm fable]

you either have +all or you are weaker than your opponent.
and you can't gem this stat. so if you don't have time to play the game you are not getting this stat for arena SSF

[late bolt]

i dont think is so hard to get these days but yea

[tough jay]

chimpanzee who cooks..that was hella funny when he wrote it what a shameless gorilla

[late bolt]

u could argue it makes certain pieces worth more and id be too easy to gear up otherwise tho

[rocky thicket]

I had 4 +1all unique rings and like 10 +1 all unique necks drop it’s not hard to get imo

[fiery sonnet]

HEY GUYS WHATS META TO PLAY FOR DUOS ATM]

[rocky thicket]

Double caster with high ms

[warm fable]

double rogues with high ms

[eager sand]

Ranger rogue is pretty cancer

[tough jay]

it's like he had a divine broth of a soup that was brewing really nice on its own and he added all those random ingredients..and especially an elephant dose of his own excrement.. set the temperature to 600 degrees and left the kitchen locked for months

[rocky thicket]

Imagine if they added goblin caves hell instead of water map

[warm fable]

💯

[eager sand]

Some shit from the hobbit

[tough jay]

then left it in the freezer overnight and served the coldest disgusting garbage meal 'well don't you like what i cooked' ;D

[rocky thicket]

Realistically all they have to do to make the game great again is remove circle/arena minted only and remove pve only mode

Or make pve only accessible if you have under 100 hours time in the dungeon

[sonic cave]

It's hard unless you're the best player in ~95% of your crypt HR runs, frankly. And for new or intermediate players, they are very far from clearing in HR. Let alone being so dominant that 19/20 runs they are capable of 1v1ing anyone they come across.

When you are that solid of a player, too, you honestly make more money farming people in Crypts -> resetting.

That will get you wealthy. It won't get you many uniques until you buy them.

[warm fable]

make pve random map. so 500luck bard farmers stop playing this mode

[eager sand]

Id also like for graysun to use his brain when designing these awful quests

[rocky thicket]

Just kill bosses on hr. It’s not hard it will take time to learn but that’s what makes a boss a boss.

[sonic cave]

Yeah but often you need to kill HR bosses --> beat the team (or player, in solo) that contests you after boss.

[tough jay]

realistically all they have to do is disembowel sdf publicly and remake half the shit that's gone wrong and start having meaningful changes not take a houge dump and then sugarcoat it as a nice thing

[sonic cave]

You can get good enough to kill the bosses. That's fine. But the players? You need to be better than, like I said, about ~9 times out of 10, the people who try to fight you. If you do, you'll farm crypts non-stop. Otherwise? You'll lose a lot of what you gain.

[rocky thicket]

That’s where it gets fun you feel alive. Named drops and then counters. Cinema 200bpm

[sonic cave]

Nah man I agree, I just don't think that's the design to focus on. Because it's fun for the top of the pyramid. Not fun for the bottom/middle.

There's a limit to getting good before people just leave. I don't think they should dumb down the game or make it easier. But it is kinda hard to find those types of items. That's all I mean.

Not hard for you. Not hard for me (I support cleric my way to riches, big brain 🥲 ). But those items are rare.

[hybrid sequoia]

tbh probably taking his flip flops away would suffice to get the game going forward

[late bolt]

reminder that everytime u play the watermap and hear the watersound its sdfs feet splashing in a tub

[rocky thicket]

well the timmys should get good or die trying just like we had to long ago before

I really wish I got countered when I got my fulgor. Probably wouldve had a heart attack but thats why we play.

[sonic cave]

I agree to an extent, but after a while it kinda starts to become like Starcraft, League, or Dota. Where they don't need to get good to beat 500 hour players. They need to get good enough to beat 3000 hour players.

[rocky thicket]

true but with some brain power on their side+some luck they can take down a 3k hour player

[sonic cave]

When your game gets there, you kinda need to segregate the 3000 hour players into their own weird little world together. And let the new players exist where they can get HR gear and fight each other. Not the people they have zero, null, zilch chance of killing.

[rocky thicket]

gotta put the time in to be him'

[late bolt]

i mean the game just got way more sweaty overtime its always like this with high skill ceiling games that are out for long also. like i remember being a monkey firreballing my temamates in playtests but everyone was terrible back then

[sonic cave]

We agree on the time needed to put in. Can't be handed shit.

But I want you to consider maybe when you and I were skilling up, it was competing against 500 hour players until we became the HR competitive players. Then we kept playing until we had the 3k hours. Now, the top of the pyramid they need to fight is 3k hours. We had to fight 500 hours.

I'm just saying it's a difference. I can understand how it seems insurmountable now. We need to be sectioned off to fight each other, not the new guys.

[sonic cave]

^^ this

It's like:

"Skill up --> How much skill is needed?" Overtime it's gotten really high. It's about the degree.

[hybrid sequoia]

how many players are willing to put in 200+ hours to even start feeling good?

[rocky thicket]

trust me when I say u dont want seperate mm depending on hours. timmyss in the dungeon is needed.

[rocky thicket]

im that type of player. so theres 1

[late bolt]

im not saying they should like dumb down the game or anything but ye its prob way harder to get into the game today

[hybrid sequoia]

people are whining the game has "only" 6-8k players, when in reality, a game as repulsive and hostile to newbies as DaD is lucky to have more than 3k ccu

[sonic cave]

There was a time when putting in 200 hours let you fight against the "best" players. Who had maybe 500-1000 hours.

It's not like that anymore. 200 hours won't get you shit anymore. You'll get dunked on and continue to get dunked on. You need like 1000 hours now.

[warm fable]

in league aren't people selected for normal mode so game is somewhat balanced?

[sonic cave]

Nah in League the new players play co-op vs. AI. So PvE mode lmao. It's actually really similar.

But when they do play norms/ranked, they get separated out BIG TIME.

That being said, Aurr is right in that we can't mega split the population. I just think... needs to be some split...

[rocky thicket]

just imagine cod sbmm no thanks

[quaint carbon]

everyone was new at some point

[hybrid sequoia]

tutorial, proper onboarding explaining all the basics, rework of quest system, because its all overwhelming and extremely RNG dependend(hi cockatrice or any quest that requires more than 2 of any item of the same type and rarity), that's a bare minimum that needs to be done for the game to be easier to hop in without impacting any gameplay

[sonic cave]

I guess I'm also talking about HR specifically. The original idea was "it's easy to get uniques/artifacts." And like. I don't think so. I think you need to learn the PvE, but also be competitive in pvp to keep what you loot.

That's where I got to: asking newbies to put in 1000 hours to even have a shot at winning is too much.

[hybrid sequoia]

and how many of friends you showed the game to still play it? I've introduced it to 10+ friends with different gaming backgrounds, including pvp sweats, they have all bounced, ever single one of them

what I'm saying is, the only people who are playing the game are doing so because we all have stockholm syndrome

[rocky thicket]

HR is pretty aids tbh I cant imagine a timmy trying to clear HR mobs even just a nightmare skelly but again HR is high roller not meant for the weak

[hybrid sequoia]

and as long as entry level will remain as confusing and hostile as it is, the game will never grow, but only slwoly dwindle into just pre-steam numbers and die

[sonic cave]

My idea: When you queue HR

• Solo. There's a big window of MMR (or hours played, whatever, Idc). So a 1000 hour player can be pulled into a match with Promoz/Repoze/Ken type players. That's fine. But your 100 hour player in HR isn't getting put into that game. This means longer queues for vets. Sorry. We need new players. You get a longer queue.

• Duos / Trios. Long queue. Must face a team with similar MMR (or hours). In Duos, 3 teams maximum. In Trios, fk it, make it 1 team vs. 1 team. Don't need full lobbies. If you want constant pvp? Queue arenas, sweatlords (Haha I'm including myself here).

High skill? Low teams. Evenly matched exp at game. That's my view of what HR should be.

[late bolt]

i dont think an mmr system works with a playerbase this small

[eager sand]

That just cant be the right approach

[late bolt]

theres not that many active lobbies going on at the same time

consider also its split amongst regions

[rocky thicket]

hi will welcome to dark and darker

[sonic cave]

I think the fundamental thing I'm saying is if you are a high skilled team, you should have a longer queue time to match you against evenly skilled opponents.

Anything else is fluff.

[eager sand]

yeah im new guys

[late bolt]

like this game has a miniscule playerbase and is already split amongst separate queues AND servers. do the math. its not enough players. u run into the same people all the time

[sonic cave]

Remember when they had newbie lobbies that were exploited? I think it should be the opposite. You don't need newbie lobbies for the newbie HR players. You need vet lobbies for the vet players. IM got it backwards.

[hybrid sequoia]

it won't, we have 72 different ques for normals alone, on a average of 7k playerbase

[late bolt]

dont forget its also split amongst servers

[hybrid sequoia]

I didn't

[sonic cave]

We only have 72 different queues for norms though. In HR there is 1 queue per server. Frankly, I think it merges servers often too.

[late bolt]

MMR pool literally cannot work with that little players which is why they never did suc ha thing

[late bolt]

oh right yeah u included the servers nvm sry

[hybrid sequoia]

HR can't operate on any kind of MMR, you want skill based sweating, stick to arena, otherwise both ends of that bell curve will never get games, or will have effectively private lobbies

[eager sand]

I think region limiting the chinese players and making us central servers would be a good thing

[sonic cave]

Well they currently have an MMR pool, apparently. It tries to match but expands the "acceptable MMR window" really fast. My vote is for open HR for anyone who is not in the top 10% of sweatlords. Then that top 10% gets long queues that guarantee matches them into other sweatlords.

[late bolt]

like not that many people play hr dude. u run into the same people all the time

[rocky thicket]

china plays all servers just look for names with xiao or 29817124991240

[sonic cave]

Not that many people play it because there's no splitting off of the sweatlords. They wipe every new team, every lobby, and then new teams stop playing it. Split off the top teams and you have an approachable HR. Not every HR team is 10k combined hours. But if they are, they should have a long wait to fight into another team with 10k hours.

[late bolt]

and nobody is going to sit in a 2 hour queue to make a ''''fair''''' match *(any mmr system isnt going to be accurate with this few players, mmr systems of big titles with hundreds of thousands with 1 queue dont even manage this lol)

[hybrid sequoia]

HR matches you by gear score during peaks and just throws whoever together during lows of concurrency, no mmr or anything included there, its just for arena

[eager sand]

Im sure the chinese players are known for being well intentioned and playing fair

[rocky thicket]

china just farms gold and sells for $

[sonic cave]

Idk if it would be 2 hour queue. But ~5 minutes to find one other sweatlord team? I think that would be fine.

[sonic cave]

Good point, you're right. I forgot it was GS not MMR. That's true.

[rancid marten]

Just make it how it was when the game was good with tons of players. No gear scores, no PvE, just solo/duo/trio and normals and high roller

[sonic cave]

I think this game handles queues to ensure no one is waiting for very long. I think that's the mistake. Beginners, Intermediate players, they shouldn't have a queue longer than 10-15s. But sweatlord trios in HR? Giving them a 5 minute wait should be fine. I would prefer it, actually, to get good quality pvp myself.

[rocky thicket]

gsmm ruins the game

[rancid marten]

Fuck catering to weak players and fuck crying this game was populated and fun for a reason we’ve strayed so far off base to please the crying redditers and none of them even play the game anymore

[sonic cave]

Idk I find it pretty boring to kill another squire team in HR that's just trying to learn to kill the mobs. They don't have shit. And they die instantly while 1 random guy is still looting lol. It doesn't feel like my team and their team should be in the same match.

What did they learn from fighting us? Idk, find a new game LOL.

[rancid marten]

But that’s happening now with 500 queues and 10 players. At least go back to the game design that was raved about and then you’ll have more people who want to wear gear and take fights and you’ll see less squire players because they effectively will be forced into normals or out of the community and people willing to build gear and PvP will take their place

Gear scores and 20 different game modes ruined the game, butchering down the intensity and appealing to casuals strips away the literal description of the game. It’s meant to be hard and punishing and also rewarding and satisfying and you’re supposed to fear death not spam click through the marketplace with the billions of gold coins you can farm up in an hour without taking a single fight

[sonic cave]

I guess from my perspective, I don't think a 100 hour player is going to learn anything from losing to a 3k hour player. It's not even remotely a close fight. I'd rather they fought amongst each other until the best of them started to make it to the 1000 hour mark. And then they get put against us.

I use "hours" but I don't want that to be some rigid formula. I'm just using it to explain the level of xp.

[hybrid sequoia]

that's nostalgia talking, not reason

[rancid marten]

When did you start playing? There are always better players (adding arbitrary hour numbers is pointless, people were top of their game very early on). Skill based matchmaking is always hated in everything it’s been added to, let the timmies get shit on, if they’re into this genre and this game then it will inspire them to go again, and lose again, and repeat. Losing = learning and this game teaches you a lot through losses.

[carmine isle]

haven't played in a while, is squire to riches just <125 lobbies essentially?

[hybrid sequoia]

you misindentified the reason - it was popular, because it was something new, never seen before and everyone was experiencing it for the first time - its not anymore and it'll never again will have 50k+ population

[sonic cave]

Playtest 2.

When I was playing, the best players were within reach for new players. They're not anymore. It's too far. Like sign up for chess club and your opponents are all Magnus Carlsen.

Losing = Learning, when you lose to someone you can learn something from. If you get obliterated, there's no lesson.

[hybrid sequoia]

"When I was playing, the best players were within reach for new players."
BECAUSE BOTH WERE NEW AND NEWBIES
NOT because game was amazingly balanced

[sonic cave]

Nah squire to riches is squire gear only. Can't bring anything in.

[sonic cave]

Kat that is my point though. We're making the same point.

[hybrid sequoia]

so, what's your solution? you have a way to mind wipe 300k players so they try the game again for the first time?

Because during playtests, footing was equal, because everyone was new, players hopping on playtest 2 and 3 competed with other newbies, not majority of playerbase with hour count in thousands

[rancid marten]

I just fundamentally disagree with this mindset. I think if you go into a game and lose, even if it was a stomp, you can learn. I have been fucked into the dirt in more ways than I can describe in my 3k hours and if you look at each of those ways, even in useless fights where I am guaranteed to lose, I still think you can analyze multiple things (position, equipment, spacing, class matchup, weapon matchup, map location, etc.) and make a good judgement for your next fight, even if it’s another one where you can’t win.

Eventually you’ll see patterns and understand what’s happening while simultaneously winning easier fights against other, easier targets and combatting the PvE.

[sonic cave]

My solution is to stop segregating newbies in their own fun mode (newbie HR lobby attempt). Stop segregating the community into a billion queues (Gearscore lobby matching attempt).

And to just take the uber vets. The mega sweatlord teams. And make them wait a while in queue to find 1 other sweatlord team. And then they get matched into an HR game. Not a newbie lobby, but the actual opposite of that. A sweatlord lobby.

The effect is that new HR players get matched into skilled intermediate teams sometimes. But not the Kens, the Repozes, the turbo sweatlords. They play against each other now.

For ~95% of players, there is no change. Except they won't play against a god-tier team in HR anymore. No queue time changes. Nothing. It's the same HR for them. The only difference is for the sweatlords.

[rancid marten]

How do the newbies eventually graduate to sweat lord lobbies if all they ever fight are other newbies? The moment they “ascend” they get stomped again? It’s too artificial and unrealistic. It just isn’t fun or feasible. This isn’t valorant I am not worried about a bronze lobby and a radiant lobby.

[sonic cave]

They ascend at a point where they're at least good enough to learn from their losses. I know we disagree on this, and that's fair. I won't win you over. But I don't think you learn from losses against Magnus Carlsen as a new chess player.

[rancid marten]

Are you watching the moves magnus makes when he beats you or are you focussed on losing and being mad about it? That’s the difference in someone who wants to learn through pain and someone who wants to learn through comfort.

This game isn’t supposed to be comfortable

[hybrid sequoia]

I'm definitely against GS lobbies, they really have no reason to be in game anymore with how the game and limits are right now, people wanting them back just don't want to run gear, understandable, I used to be like that once, I do believe more experienced people should play with more experienced people primarily, but they should get 30m ques because they're too good at the game

I am mixed on pve HR, its super hard to learn HR on your own, but that's a problem of HR being terrible game mode

[sonic cave]

Yeah but at a certain point man, it's like. Think of this hypothetical, imagine there are players who are skilled enough to always (or almost always) beat another player:

Repoze will always beat Player A. Player A will always beat Player B... always beat Player C... etc, etc.... and Player K, who beats the newbie team.

Now: Repoze's team fights the newbie team. Good luck!

Player A is learning against Repoze. I'm not sure the newbie team is.

[rancid marten]

Repoze fights the newbie team, wins with ease. A healthier game population means the likelihood of newbie team facing repoze at all is significantly smaller. Newbie team takes what they saw in losing against a confident team and applies it to their next fight; luckily for them it’s another newbie team- they win. Newbie team then fights a team with a bit more cohesion and experience. It’s a good fight but they lose. This cycle repeats until they’re the victor and are winning against other skilled teams. Sure, if they meet a 1/100 team (I.e repoze team) they probably lose, that’s how it goes.

Another thing to mention, this game isn’t like many others because you need 1) team cohesion (built through playing a long time and troubleshooting stressful fights as a team) and 2) synergetic class compositions.

I think the main issue isn’t the sweaty players, it’s the lack of other players that fill in all gaps, and that’s why it’s been progressively an issue ever since the playerbase dropped below 25k and a magnitude of new queues have been added.

[sonic cave]

I think the way you can stop the queues being 30 minutes for the sweatlord teams would be making their HR trios be 1 team vs. 1 team.

[sonic cave]

Yeah, I actually do agree with everything you're saying here. Like point for point, I think. That's the ideal setup for how to get better. We do lack middlemen though.

[hybrid sequoia]

congrats, you've discovered arena

[sonic cave]

Sweatlords won't play Arena without rewards though, that's part of the issue. Even if it had rewards, I think a lot of those players would rather gamble for artifact dopamine. So Arena isn't a valuable enough outlet for the sweatlord vs. sweatlord.

[hybrid sequoia]

sweatlords literally spend every opening hour on arena during weekends, HR is desolate when it comes to people with gear on weekends

[rancid marten]

Yeah right now it’s like a handful of squire teams who want to zero to hero, then 2 sweaty teams, and a handful of rats that try to reap the loot. Nobody to bridge the gaps which was what he had back then as I’m sure you remember. Facing a geared and talented team usually meant a loss, but sometimes you’d get the 1 up and that victory would make it all worth it

[hybrid sequoia]

AND arena will provide seasonal rewards too in near future

[woven widget]

theyve been saying that for a year

[west drift]

paladin when

[woven widget]

eventually
just like monk and quiver

[drifting scaffold]

cutlass is fun

[hybrid sequoia]

a year ago they didn't even had elo system, unfortunately, all of development time that dungeon have not seen went into arena and it shows

[woven widget]

they did have an elo system it just wasnt a number you could read

[west drift]

sigh

[nocturne scarab]

<random enmity here>

[hybrid sequoia]

it was a 1000 baseline with brackets of +-600 for matchmaking, I wouldn't call that "elo", but "a number you could read" is quite accurate

[eternal hawk]

Hi @keen zephyr, I think you should not ignore my query as a warden.

[woven widget]

who the fuck is richard and what does he have to do with balancing

[gaunt oracle]

I'm saying bring back map rotation, but instead of just 1 map available at a time, make it 2. Then, every 5 min, one of them becomes unavailable while a new one become available. like this:
00:00 Ruins and Goblins
00:05 Goblins and Ice
00:10 Ice and Water
00:15 Water and Ruins
00:20 Ruins and Goblins (repeating)

This way, people who only want to play their favorite map can wait (up to 10 min), while people who don't have a strong map preference can queue immediately; still funneling players into ALL maps so that there will be less empty lobbies. You want more players in your dungeons? Let us play the game the way we like, IRONMACE.

[broken pumice]

When I first joined the fight team and started getting my ass handed to me by established fighters, I felt the same but I was wrong in the long run. Them ass whoopings are lessons

[slow niche]

Who even still plays this game lol

[west drift]

i still dream of first person dungeon crawling experience tbh

[warm fable]

you

[woven widget]

Dark and darker stepped out a year ago, Arc is my step DaD and I dont call him by his first name.

[warm fable]

In tomorrow’s hotfix #101, the High Roller dungeon will once again become a selectable dungeon. We have explored multiple solutions for this issue, but we concluded that we need more time to reach the goals we are aiming for.

In the meantime, we believe that temporarily handling a larger number of matchmaking pools is preferable to restricting players who want to choose a specific dungeon.

Therefore, until we finish researching and preparing a better system, the High Roller dungeon will remain selectable.

[woven widget]

pretty good I wont lie

[slow niche]

Haven’t logged in since ark raiders

[woven widget]

yeah I keep on finding animals 2 by 2

[exotic seal]

wrong ark!

[woven widget]

well clearly they didnt mean the recently released third person extraction game ARC raiders
obviously they either meant a boat of sorts or a survival game with prehistoric animals

[warm fable]

so what are you doing here. go away?

[woven widget]

Im in the 3rd stage of grief

[drifting scaffold]

gm bud 🫂

[subtle rose]

finally random HR dungeons is going away

[misty ridge]

Toodaloo!

[subtle rose]

good riddance

no one liked it

[misty ridge]

Back to Warlord farming for me

[subtle rose]

finally i can farm stingray without having to play crypts 50 times

genuinely good read that, made me happy

[rocky thicket]

getting green rank all classes still worth for the pouches? or can u only claim it once?

[subtle rose]

can only claim once, not doable anymore

[rocky thicket]

dang fr? ty for saving me time

[subtle rose]

all g

[exotic seal]

Gm bud 🫂

[static zodiac]

log on DbD

[drifting scaffold]

dark bn darker

[slate hawk]

#sdfs-kitchen message
No negative emoji on that post. A miracle. Seems like the community sees it as a good decision.
I agree that rotation of map wasn't great, and now with a reduced continuous dungeon, the lobbies will feel emptier, but at least people will stop asking to play in their prefered maps
I hope this applies to HR PvE as well

[candid pollen]

ok now make sure it fills the lobby and the game is somewhat playable

[drifting scaffold]

the right people saw that post at the right time, it's happened before

[misty ridge]

I once got DM'd by someone who got mad at me for posting pregnant man on the post

[slate hawk]

Filled lobbies or pick a map, if I had to pick one, I'd rather have a full lobby in a map I don't chose.

Heck, take the lobby there was before to set up your character (gear, skills, spells)

[static zodiac]

SDF LISTENING TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK

🥳 🥳 🥳 🥳 🥳

[misty ridge]

give Fighter combat roll sdf I am the community according to SkinnyPete anyway

[drifting scaffold]

🤣 🤣 🤣 I've got ppl before trying to spell... words asking me to remove my react

[slate hawk]

I am the senate.

[misty ridge]

I joined his voice call once and his chat asked who I was and he just said "I lurk here y'know chatting with the community"

[woven widget]

pete needs to ask nicely

we'll be back if pete asks sdf for gunslinger fighter

[slow niche]

First stage is denial that your game you play is dead af

[drifting scaffold]

isn't there a gold key room in inferno still? is it in the rooms?

[nocturne scarab]

W

[warm fable]

dead af for 7 seasons?
#game-discussion message
nice cope

arc raiders will be as dead as any extraction game

[static zodiac]

Arc gonna stay alive and well so long its devs keep it up

[misty ridge]

Top floor of the prison room maybe??

Not demon prisons the other one

[left oyster]

these devs are cowards

[drifting scaffold]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[quaint gale]

is this game still alive ?

[slow niche]

This game has like 5k active players, Arc Raiders is at over 200k keep huffing that copium

[split mulch]

What is the best trio squad?

[minor silo]

Hi guys i have a question what are the best classes in trio?

[drifting scaffold]

good name. also a few comps are good right now. 2 tank + ranged dmg dealer is good, but you can flex around. wizard is really good in trios it has a lot of dps and suppression, ranger really good if you can hit shots

[ionic fox]

You can still have full lobby when picking maps

[silk igloo]

not a single negative reaction to that SDF announcement...holy shit. imagine that....

[drifting scaffold]

is it like baked into a ranger player's dna to block a door in the dumbest way possible

[ionic fox]

So excited to pick my own map again let’s goooooo

1 step in the right direction

[zinc beacon]

He did the same on TheEndBoss' chat saying he was about to remove circle, let's hope it's not another legendary jebait

[drifting scaffold]

gonna be so easy to grind AP when I can pick water map, farm the underwater section i spawn in and extract

[worthy coral]

Goblin merchant should be in pvp modes and what's the point of hiding the high roller timer

[trail arrow]

I can finally farm ice map hr again thank you for having a brain for once sdf 🙏

[ember snow]

@hexed adder Rework race skins pls.
Lizardmen has 3, Lycan has 4 but all of them just the same.
And the Panther too. The Male is easy to get while the Female is 6 redstone but her stats are the same with the Male one???

Are you trying to reference Mortal Kombat???

[exotic seal]

🗣️ No skins give stat boost 🗣️
🗣️ All skins should be able to wear helmets 🗣️ k

[slate hawk]

Full lobby + chosen map = longer wait times (depends on the map).

I'd rather not wait. I want to play when I start the game. Or pit me in a lobby so that I can prepare my stuff for the random map

[ember snow]

if all skins can wear helmets, they should make it balanced and not too P2W

[olive ibex]

Yeah random maps works well with continuous dungeons, whilst picking maps with a short window to join the instance doesn’t sound too good. IMO

[exotic seal]

personally I think no skins should give stat boosts, it should all be cosmetic

[warm fable]

I think they will allow lobbies to be empty in HR. its end of the season.

[ember snow]

[olive ibex]

I think the ones that require restore should be either simply cosmetic or have blue shard alternatives

[zinc beacon]

Full lobby

Is a delusional statement

[real scarab]

anyone's game down?

[ember snow]

'the High Roller dungeon will once again become a selectable dungeon'

Why you not change back to the origin....

[mild chasm]

this is a PvE kids game now.

[lusty pivot]

nice finally i can chose what dungeon i wanna play!!!

[mild chasm]

enjoy your 16 dead normal queues.

[lusty pivot]

too bad the game is dead already for the 900th time rofl gl

[glass ibex]

0x80000004 ANybody else keep crashing today?

[olive ibex]

Yeah but I managed to fix it

[glass ibex]

I just restarted my pc, what did you end up doing?

[simple bridge]

Are there any plans to implement bags to free up storage space? We already have the Doctors bag, that for some reason you cannot put meds in?

[turbid elbow]

the inventory guy left unforch; dont think anyone can continue his work, bags are hard.

[drifting scaffold]

terence is on the case surely this won't be forgotten like the progression system he was working on

[rustic furnace]

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/juleecel-siamang-gibbon-siamang-gibbon-gibbon-spin-gif-1128571653002961984

[remote nymph]

Moooonkey hi

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-monkey-zoo-hyper-funny-gif-3933374

[ember snow]

monkey race skin when?

[drifting scaffold]

[spring meadow]

GET THESE STUPID CHINESE ESP TEAMERS OUT OF US WEST SERVERS THIS IS A JOKE

[atomic schooner]

report them then. ironmace cant see then if you dont report them

[turbid elbow]

crusty dungeon flakes

[swift coral]

monk

[spring meadow]

His name is mkwll lvl 250 with 250 game warlock esping and teaming with other Chinese players on US west

Fame*

[simple aspen]

farming AP is already incredibly easy lol picking maps doesn't change much in terms of AP

[drifting scaffold]

not what i meant but yea

[simple aspen]

what did u mean?

[gaunt oracle]

water map has so much loot in tiny areas you can fill up and leave quickly

[gritty ermine]

Thanks @proud copper

[simple aspen]

yeah farming AP is already incredibly easy lol picking maps doesn't change much in terms of AP, no one cares ab AP

[gaunt oracle]

you cared enough to comment to take a weirdly oppositional stance. im not interested in discord pvp today. lets fast forward to the part where you win

[simple aspen]

nah man u deserve the win

[lean steppe]

does creep remove steps from rangers?

[simple aspen]

it's just wild the entire community has been complaining ab random maps and then u two are talking about AP being too easy to farm now, when no one cares about that, except you guys

[gaunt oracle]

he said he was excited to farm ap on his favorite map. thats all. you wanted to find some drama so hard you found it where the was none brother

[simple aspen]

prolly true, I just woke up my b

[heady grove]

i like the water map tbh

[simple aspen]

thank you so much for removing random maps ironmace i love u

[gaunt oracle]

this thanksgiving, I'm thankful that SDF finally blessed us with map selection for HR. Gona serve up hot stringray this holiday. Big servings.

[simple aspen]

the timing could not be better for such an amazing change

[shrewd merlin]

Don't thank them yet... You've still got to get through 48 hours at least of patch errors first

[simple aspen]

[shrewd merlin]

Reave VR is having a playtest soon though, so that's a plus

[drifting scaffold]

cutlass is a blast to use

[ember rain]

at what point do we tar and feather sdf

[wary sentinel]

When does arena open? Anybody know? Can’t check rn

[junior hound]

24h+

[fickle canyon]

Thursdays 8pm est

[drifting scaffold]

i think itll be 7pm tmrw since daylight savings time is done

[grizzled slate]

did randomized maps get removed yet that totally killed this game for me

[drifting scaffold]

no it's still there. all the maps have anchor modules that are always there or always in the same spots

[grizzled slate]

and they wonder why their game is dead

[drifting scaffold]

the random is lit wdym

[grizzled slate]

all they do is add bullshit changs and go back and fourth on balance changes

[drifting scaffold]

yea ok bud whatever you say dont even play ts

[grizzled slate]

i dont, and alot of other people dont anymore either, enjoy ur dead game

[drifting scaffold]

ok i will continue to enjoy hope u find ur own opinion someday

[open elm]

Agreed

[gaunt oracle]

by randomized maps do you mean dungeon layouts that change? or HR random map selection

[open elm]

Both is shit

[grizzled slate]

the way the maps are layed out, the high roller thing was also mad stupid. I enjoyed playing my goblin caves high roller. People knew where to fight and people knew where to go if they didnt want to fight. Now every map is a cluster fuck of bullshit

[gaunt oracle]

oh, yeah I disagree with everything you just said. static maps was ass

[drifting scaffold]

can't even consider the advantages of a randomized map done well

[grizzled slate]

sounds like u couldnt defend ur spawn

skill issue detected

[drifting scaffold]

no bro it genuinely sounds like u can't learn a map 🤣

[grizzled slate]

i mapped out ur mothers body pretty well

[drifting scaffold]

u dont even care they put elevator in the center and boss rms around it

[grizzled slate]

static maps> random maps

ur just shit and are scared of pvp in a pvp game tighten up and lock in

[drifting scaffold]

bro i literally pvp all day randomized map is better for that. you wanna fight the same modules over and over again? that's dumb

talk about skill issue learn a new module to fight in

[open elm]

No bro quit lying we know you where the guy waiting to jump somebody like a rat

[grizzled slate]

yes i want to fight in the same mods

[uneven swan]

the numbers in this game are strange to me. what does a 1% magic damage bonus accomplish when a spell deals 20 damage? does the .2 get rounded at some point?

[grizzled slate]

devs cant figure it out either bro dont stress it

[drifting scaffold]

because you can't learn new things. so skill issue

[grizzled slate]

ur bad at rage baiting

[drifting scaffold]

who is even rage baiting im telling u the advantages ur sticking ur head in the sand. randomized maps gave this game hours more

[wind juniper]

he’s kinda right brother you’re sitting here saying he’s shit at pvp cause he doesn’t wanna fight in the same room, does that not make you shit at pvp because you can ONLY fight in the same room?

[grizzled slate]

china > korea

[drifting scaffold]

go even further. give every map the ruins treatment with edge area and center area. it's peak

[wind juniper]

i hate quinn as much as the next guy but your argument doesn’t make much sense

[drifting scaffold]

i learned a new insult today ig

[grizzled slate]

u and quinn kiss in ur dungeon u probably get in the same lobby all the time since no once plays this game

[drifting scaffold]

bro called me the gamer word in chinese i can't even be mad

[grizzled slate]

in that guy

[wind juniper]

this just sounds so stupid i can’t even understand why you think this is how the game should be lmao

[grizzled slate]

they cencored the other one so i hadada tighten up. NO ONE IS DOING IT LIKE ME

[wind juniper]

hey guys if you wanna pvp make sure you go to this pvp square! otherwise you’re cringe!

[grizzled slate]

that sounds pretty based to me

[drifting scaffold]

😭 noooo dude don’t attack me in graveyard we gotta go to bridge to duel!!!

[wind juniper]

sounds like you should play roblox

[grizzled slate]

steal a brainrot wtw

[wind juniper]

so bittersweet cause random maps is good, but there’s nothing in the fucking game to do but boss so it doesn’t even really matter

[turbid elbow]

aight bro comment out the random dungeon code it's just not cool. thanks

[wind juniper]

learn all the bosses do whichever you get, welcome to dad, except now you’re just increasing the grief likelihood

[bold lichen]

I wish they would remove water map from squire map pool 🙏

[grave hawk]

does purge shot always do +3 true mag or is it only when you strip a buff?

[summer grail]

Water map on high roller makes gearing up like playing slots.

[bold lichen]

Ewww, you choose to play water map ?!

[fallow umbra]

just block cquinn or what their name is.

[wind juniper]

only when you strip a buff

[turbid elbow]

W selectable dungeons tmrw
#sdfs-kitchen message

[latent iron]

I will finally be able to play hr yipee

[fallow umbra]

selectable dungeons…honestly it’s prob too late. sure a few people will come back but i don’t see this reviving anything.

[gaunt oracle]

screw revitalizing anything, at least this makes the game fun

[fallow umbra]

@proud copper @hexed adder 🩴

[turbid elbow]

make good game, ppl will come. at least we can select our adventure, baby steps

[fallow umbra]

this is true. i see them flip flopping it again tho bc it costs too much or whatever excuse he’ll use that day. i’m all for it tho.

should have never removed in the first place

[exotic gorge]

Always that guy 😭

[wind juniper]

idk how THIS alone makes the game fun for yall lol, now you can select which empty map you wanna load into? W

[exotic gorge]

😭 I'm running into so many people and I'm guessing on the popular maps I'll keep running into full lobbies

It's just a step in a better direction the band wagon is too full 😭😭

[nimble mulch]

water map sucks ass

[wind juniper]

i’m not even talking about people goofball i’m talking about ANYTHING at all to do, this change does nothing for the good of the game lmao

[exotic gorge]

Yeah that's true what the people have been asking for changes NOTHING AT ALL

Fuck them people

[wind juniper]

ah yes the dark and darker community, highly notable for being right and having the proper vision for the game

yes precisely, fuck them people

[exotic gorge]

I do agree with that lmao but I feel like selectable dungeons is a better experience in total

Like in every game there's usually maps you like less then others and getting to play the fun maps is fun

[wind juniper]

it’s definitely a good thing, just sad it took sdf to be on his death bed to do it

[chrome crow]

When are they updating it back to selectable dungeons?

[wind juniper]

and doesn’t help the fun value of the game when there’s still nothing to do regardless of the map you pick, all map selection really does rn is make it easier for bossers to grind their specific one of preference

[pure vault]

My favorite shittiest dev. Says he knows about problems and is working on ways to fix it but hasnt fixed it yet so enjoy the revert bandaid. Im sure hes working on actual fixes and not going to revert his revert

[exotic gorge]

I agree very true I came back a few times after play test and it's kinda crazy how much they've done it into the ground but sounds like they finally have a idea

[deep musk]

They do not have an idea

[exotic gorge]

People have been having problems with empty lobbies and I think this is a good fix there will be dead maps tho but it seems kinda unanimous on what maps people dislike

[exotic gorge]

Focusing on skills of existing classes for more builds sounds like a good idea to me?

Idc about monk they need to strengthen the core

[deep musk]

Sounds like a good idea to anyone thats not this dev team i think

[exotic gorge]

Are you saying they didn't say that or something?

Next wipe is "supposedly" going to be all about skills of other classes and everything in between

[pure vault]

Sure

[exotic gorge]

I mean you can read it like obviously I have no idea about how they are going to do it I don't have much hope for the game either

But like it's there and it seems to be like set in stone since they are moving other thing back for it

[wind juniper]

game will be saved when sdf drops his resignation letter in #📢announcements

[exotic gorge]

😭

[wind juniper]

goofball thought he’d get praise for this fuck that shrimp

water map bouta be dead af, the ultimate demi farm

[drifting scaffold]

will still be lit in squires ig that's all that really matters

[wind juniper]

facts, except i want an hr s2r

delete every queue but that pls

[nocturne scarab]

what if they god rid of premades
and alienated their playerbase even further

[hybrid sequoia]

considering the responses to the "blocked message", I guess whoever I blocked for dumbest takes this game has ever seen(and it has seen "the vision"), I suppose the blocked guy lives up to his legacy (because I'd rather argue someone for weeks, if you end up blocked by me, you probably need a reminder to breathe every now and then)

[exotic gorge]

Aura

[wind juniper]

what the fuck did they just say

those are english words but they’re not making english sense

[nocturne scarab]

Just wonder what else is gonna be in the hotfix -- probably not much though if all he said was that one thing in the kitchen.

[wind juniper]

thought that too, i imagine nothing

[nocturne scarab]

• Warlock can now insta cancel phantomize again

[hybrid sequoia]

axe spec +3

[nocturne scarab]

4 hr delay

[wind juniper]

it’s gotta have something cause otherwise they’d just roll the hotfix today surely, but it’s probably nothing important

[west drift]

☕ 🦃

[latent iron]

Lock boss rooms please @proud copper

[wind juniper]

one way boss room doors would be soo nice, just gotta figure out how to stop the 40 people rushing when it’s over that would create

[nocturne scarab]

Just laughing to myself now that its like that scene from kill bill
A bunch of dj rogues come somersaulting into the room

and its got that one mortal kombat song by lords of acid

[pseudo knoll]

finally selectable hr dungeons. now i will play again when the patch drops

[fresh vigil]

Is it possible to buy the Ancient Stingray Egg
Bosses are not fun in this game lol

I feel like I have to be an Asian kid whose special tistic interest is playing street fighter or mortal kombat games to win

[wind juniper]

yes and no, it doesn’t need to be looted for the quest, so you can buy it, but they’re incredibly expensive and hard to find a seller

[fresh vigil]

Will pay 10k if anyone has it lol

[wind juniper]

sadly, by expensive, i mean like 400x that

[fresh vigil]

ok thats stupid

guess im not getting that cosmetic torch skin then 🤷‍♂️

[latent iron]

When will we be allowed to see the data that reflects the classes pick rates

[wind juniper]

it’s okay fella many people aren’t, definitely a very exclusive reward for rn, til they put it in the shop for redstones next wipe

[fresh vigil]

I just avoid any boss that isnt ghost king or lich, the rest arent fun

maybe it would be fun if there were practice modes for bosses but, I aint wasting time getting into a dungeon just to die over and over again due to 1 mistake

[trail arrow]

druid players are so funny man I have one in my messages crying about dying calling the every slur under the sun because he sat in a hellfire in bear form LMAO

[vale fjord]

Any updates on next wipe?

[nocturne scarab]

every slur? gonna need to see the list

[trail arrow]

message got automodded whoops 🙏

[nocturne scarab]

who would of guessed

[trail arrow]

mainly just f and n and a few others I dont know lol

all of this cause I was using a full slow plate build I ripped off some dude lolll

[nocturne scarab]

hes just flirting with u
u just dont see it yet

[fresh vigil]

dang hes based

[wind juniper]

my people

[solemn coral]

someone ping me when hr circle is gone coz boss running is so fucking annoying with it

[worn chasm]

There is literally a practice mode called pve mode

[trail arrow]

men just dont know how to flirt anymore 🥀

[fresh vigil]

A practice mode means jumping right to the boss fight. That isnt the same

[worn chasm]

It’s not that hard or time consuming to get to the bosses

[fresh vigil]

yes it is

[rapid pilot]

does true mag do anything with viola bard?

[daring mortar]

game dead?

[daring mortar]

no, it just gives you 2 extra magic dmg, only add dmg multiplies.

[wind juniper]

hard? no. time consuming? absolutely. pve is the most barebones training ground we could possibly have, such a lazy effort to be like “same map no pvp” and that’s our “training”

[trail nimbus]

Can someone remind me the name of the named for Barb?

[trail arrow]

bloodthirst

[trail nimbus]

Ty

[wind juniper]

which one? there’s 5 lol

[rapid pilot]

so do i put true mag on my head piece? or do i keep one phys power

[daring mortar]

true magic would work pretty well if you have a high action speed id think

[trail arrow]

true magic is just optimization and it will give you more damage than a single phys power will
so yeah put it on your hat

[remote nymph]

Imma fart

[daring mortar]

game is so empty itll sound like a cannon

[vast forge]

w Sdf-Bathroom

[dull sun]

bro the wknd just started, kindly open the arena please

[deep musk]

sdfs kitchen more like sdfs toilet

[daring mortar]

facts

[brittle ginkgo]

sdf eats apples stem first

[brazen pike]

Literally why won't they bring back map rotation

[latent iron]

Sdf is one funny son of a bch giving us the ability to chose maps on Thanksgiving

[brazen pike]

That was genuinely a pretty good system, people with preferred maps can wait for their preferences, it would also calm down boss rushing and flooding of artifacts and chests

[brazen pike]

We will have something to be thankful for

[latent iron]

He just wants praise and worship for his 100% abnormally large sized pp

[brazen pike]

Hey don't make fun of someone for a small pp, that's breaking bro code

[latent iron]

Uh I mean a above average sized pp

[brazen pike]

You never break bro code, it doesn't matter if they are your worst enemy

[latent iron]

Genuinely the game needs to be better

[remote nymph]

W game dead I love it

Is there like 2 people online?

[latent iron]

The wipes should be every 2 months loot drops should be gigga buffed normals blue to legendary drops only no green or lower hr purple to artifact only drops adventure mode for green and common up to purple for quest items and what not that are below blue and at the end of the wipe is multiclassing and artifact arena that gets recorded for a dark and darker YouTube montage and the winners aka highest ranked arena players get rewards for next season

So hr feels like 5 out of 10 people are running artifacts

Reduce gear fear by flooding the game with gear and letting the people that want to pvp pvp and the people that want pve to pve in adventure mode

This will increase player retention

Along with focus on balance for every class in a 1v1 setting

Instead of trios because God knows there is literally no trio balance

This games best selling point is VoIP pvp and bossing so they may as well focus on PVP and bossing being worthwhile and for the love of God lock boss rooms when people are killing the boss

So people can't just cut through boss room or shoot people from the doorway with a bow

[dreamy vine]

they need to reduce drops imo

[warm fable]

W patches sdf

[remote nymph]

W patches in the chat

[hollow fulcrum]

why though?

[warm fable]

drops are perfect

they could remove +all

[fringe hull]

RIP

[dreamy vine]

So it feels good to get a good drop again they also should remove gemming ngl but I want return to hardcore

[drifting scaffold]

Genuinely wtf you mean. since first year EA it’s all been trios balance, only recently, like 9-12 months paying attention to solo/duo balance

they spent 2 whole wipes trying to rebalance buff ball

[drifting scaffold]

they could — +3 stat is enough to target

[desert drift]

No not kidding at all, maybe it’s something with my settings idk but it looks horrid compared to how it did before

[fresh vigil]

buying egg

gimmie stingray egg

[hollow fulcrum]

i mean yeah but what about people that dont play this game for crazy hours and just want to be able to run gear

[dreamy vine]

s2r? HR?

[hollow fulcrum]

its already a big time investment, making gear less accessible just insures that players with more time have better gear

[dreamy vine]

ya you cannot have everything

[hollow fulcrum]

unless you play for six hours a day

[drifting scaffold]

fully disagree compared to old personally, but the models now are much closer to what they are ingame which is what I think is good

[dreamy vine]

just squire hr one game they should have most of a set

its just too ez right now

[drifting scaffold]

genuinely squire HR is not a good time for ppl who are bad

think of timmy

[dreamy vine]

plus there is pve for infinite farm you dont even need to play the game to gear up anymore...

[drifting scaffold]

pve HR isn’t as hard nor has as good loot as PvP HR

[hollow fulcrum]

few hours of grinding for one kit, run kit, get pub stomped by bis team with no lives and vastly better gear, repeat.

[drifting scaffold]

few hours ? I don’t think anybody who needs few hours to grind an HR kit should be going into HR

[exotic gorge]

Few hours and dieing to someone with a better kit?????????

[hollow fulcrum]

if drops are worse its more expensive to buy gear, making it even more of a grind to get a good set, making it even more of a difference between those who have all the time to farm vs those that dont

[exotic gorge]

If you got a few hours there shouldn't be many people with better kits

[hollow fulcrum]

is this a game like diablo, about grinding for rare drops, or is it a PvP adventure game where loot is a motivator

[drifting scaffold]

It’s a difficult balance — you need gear from the dungeon to be better than market gear. Gemming makes sure of that

[drifting scaffold]

honestly it’s somewhere between those things

genre bending is how this game earned all its praise and vitriol

[hollow fulcrum]

right now that is the case, it used to be a massive difference if you weren't on constantly farming

[drifting scaffold]

yes I think that’s good progress.

[halcyon relic]

Guys i think we are forgetting something called bola

[drifting scaffold]

true where barb bola

[hollow fulcrum]

i think a lot of people agree that making good kits more accessible and reducing grind required to get into gear is a good thing, especially when most people still choose squire modes over norms or hr, even when gear is easy to get

[halcyon relic]

Cleric throwing rocks at ye

[drifting scaffold]

yes I agree with that. If anything they could amp the difficulty and loot up for squire a little and slightly “train” that group for HR

[hollow fulcrum]

i think if HR was fun or rewarding outside arti farming it would be more popular. nightmare mobs are still so abundant that you are forced to play very slow in order to prevent PvE from ganking you as soon as you run into a player

the mobs aren't hard, theres just so many and they always spawn as nightmares that can immediately screw you if you get hit once. why they decided everything should slow you is beyond me

[fresh vigil]

gib egg

[atomic schooner]

no

[dreamy vine]

egggggggggggg

[fresh vigil]

we had egg and shid

[drifting scaffold]

it’s just the lowest hanging fruit as far as an extra debuff goes. I agree as they go back and add more moves to nightmares they should pare back the slow debuffs

[drifting scaffold]

up the loot/luck modifier for nightmare mobs. Not a lot just slightly, would make farming HR pve suddenly worth if they can drop real shit

[rocky thicket]

possibly one of the worst takes ive seen... who wants to loot every skeleton they kill? not me.

[atomic schooner]

nah. nerf all loot overall. gib back the feeling of looting and having gear from the playtest days

[rocky thicket]

exactly no way a timmy in pve normals should be able to get legos

[atomic schooner]

pve loot should never have been sellable to begin with. having it useable in pvp is fine cause it can act like a scav run but it should be massively limited

[drifting scaffold]

mmm but nobody checks a mob today. If the trade off is ppl checking mobs to hit something crazy vs leaving them always? Yea give em some juice

[hollow fulcrum]

i mean they can drop good stuff, its just a lot of the issues are the same as every other mode faces, theres no real points of interest. everyone in ruins goes graveyard, crypts whatever piles spawn, inferno is boss room if anyone even bothers to go in norms. ice cave is the one mid room or the one pile room in abyss

water map has actually nothing worth going for

[drifting scaffold]

I don’t disagree with the idea overall. However we’re already here, loot is already juiced

[drifting scaffold]

I’ll disagree here, there’s a massive amount of gem and treasure drops there

[rocky thicket]

no just no you cant possibly think looting every skeleton is fun or a way to get loot in anyway

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah but from barnacles or the pirates that are everywhere

[rocky thicket]

go kill a mini boss or a boss if you want loot

[viscid spruce]

There all in pve with unique luck gear lmfao

[honest garnet]

Might as well make them all loot less like the spooders then

[drifting scaffold]

I never said it was, but having mobs have the chance makes a LOT of players suddenly check them more. Not saying it should be so good that it’s mandatory but making it better would be good

give at least some incentive to clear nightmare mobs

[honest garnet]

Yea having 3 loot able mobs on an entire map sure sounds fun to me

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah but players still have the best loot in HR. players, bosses, and poi's should be the goal in HR

[drifting scaffold]

barnacles, crabs, eels, piranhas, clams, mermaids and coffins, tide walkers have treasure

[drifting scaffold]

yea that’s true. I’ll go back and forth on this a ton, to incentivize PvP or not

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah exactly, its the same all over, there aren't places on the map where fighting is likely because the whole map has the same loot

[rocky thicket]

the only thing you should be looting for the last year+ and now is lions head, ornate, bronze, golden, mini boss, boss and pile. if you loot anything else ur a timmy

[drifting scaffold]

no totally I agree the point you’re making

[honest garnet]

Sorry bud if you loot anything but boss your a timbo hellen Wong is feasting

[hollow fulcrum]

they need to make the maps interesting, have rooms people want to go to other than boss/pile, and have enough of them to naturally split teams up at first so everyone isn't crashing the same room like graveyard on crypts

[honest garnet]

100% more pois

[hollow fulcrum]

i feel like everyone agrees on that and i've seen it alot over the last few years

[drifting scaffold]

idk the idea you COULD roll a unique off a nightmare mobs is attractive to people who only farm their corner and dip

[hollow fulcrum]

also if there weren't a million trash mobs in every room, looting monsters would be much less of a chore

[honest garnet]

That’s abit much, I feel like if anything the NMobs should drops heals like rare or above you never see that and it would offset the beating they give you in pvp

[drifting scaffold]

some part of me feels even if you work up POIs to the Nth degree there’s a type of player who won’t ever go there for risk of PvP

oh actually I like that a lot give all nightmare mobs the chance to roll meds

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah thats a solid idea

also if nightmare mobs were more rare in HR but did drop better loot they would be more interesting overall

and make HR more fun imo

[rocky thicket]

hope sdf doesnt read this general chat

[drifting scaffold]

we haven’t been the general chat in so long

[hollow fulcrum]

even if he did, theres no way he'd listen to the community. unless one of us is secretly repoze we have less than no say on the direction of the game

[rocky thicket]

the idea of having skeletons drop meaningful loot is so crazy he might just listen

[hollow fulcrum]

the day HR becomes anything but a snore fest of nightmare mobs blocking anything you might want to do is the day i start actually playing it for fun

[honest garnet]

Why? Isn’t it fun when a barb crushes your door and runs through the module to the next with a train of 5 modules worth of mobs?

[keen briar]

Why is my game so mid? 😔

[fresh vigil]

Because no egg 😢

[hexed quarry]

Just delete the game leave SDF in the streets, that's where he got his vision

[nocturne scarab]

• map select comes back
• im still miserable
• wtf sdf

[hollow fulcrum]

warlocks like a kid in a candy store

[remote nymph]

Poopy game poopy dev oh no 0 player

[scarlet stirrup]

Good game poopy dev

[next cypress]

goated game questionable decisions, always been like that, even since playtest!

[warm fable]

W patches

[ionic fox]

Poop?

[cunning crypt]

4000 people currently in game is astonishing

half of those are in the lobby doing nothing

[forest saffron]

Yeah, you missed something. Start slow, try and absorb more.

[coarse star]

You told him to read patch notes, it wasn't in the patch notes they said they were removing it.

it was earlier in sdf's kitchen.

[late bolt]

do people really act like this

embarrassing .

[forest saffron]

You should read patch notes and sdf kitchen. The ability to inform yourself is yours.

Still stands.

[nocturne scarab]

I'm not stupid guys I'm just trolling.

[coarse star]

I never said I don't read patch notes.

But the information about randomized dungeon being removed was only in sdf's kitchen's post. So you told him to look at the wrong channel to see the info and then were being rude about it lol

[forest saffron]

Start slow, try and absorb more. I told him exactly the objective truth: You should read patch notes and sdf kitchen. The ability to inform yourself is yours.

And where was that information posted?

Right.

I use this channel to inform people, not to troll.

[coarse star]

My b misread your initial message as just telling him to read patch notes.

Just to let you know the way you inform people comes off as passive aggressive saying "start slow, try and absord more" instead of just telling him.

[sick ermine]

Guys I think he should start slow and absorb. Absorb. Start. Slow. Slow. Start. Absorb.

By slow absorbing and starting he will absorb the start slow

Absorb.

[dreamy vine]

True

[forest saffron]

What are you talking about? You need to slow down when you read. You are making a lot of basic comprehension mistakes, and escalating this further than it needs to.

You know you can use the search function, type my name, and you can see the entire chat log?

The very first thing I said : You should read patch notes and sdf kitchen. The ability to inform yourself is yours.

I definitely just told him. Without any hesitation or misinformation.

[dreamy vine]

ABSORB

[sick ermine]

Absorb....

[coarse star]

Im not escalating, Im just telling you the way you were responding comes off as passive aggressive even if its not. nobody unironically says "star slow, try and absord more"

He asked where them saying they removing randomized matchmaking was. Could have just said recent sdf's kitchen post

[sick ermine]

Yk what else you can do instead of ragebaiting and absorbing, just saying "check sdfs kitchen " less words and less absorbing

[dreamy vine]

This is pretty fast can you slow it down for that tantalizing ABSORB

[coarse star]

yep

[sick ermine]

Less slow starting too and absorbing to start slow and then slow absorb

XDDD. Sorry. I meant absorb. Slowly. Start.

[forest saffron]

You are wrong.

You need to slow down when you read and you will absorb more.

He never asked where it was posted saying they are removing random dungeons.

I took the time to tell him. He never asked.

[sick ermine]

You are slow absorbing.

[forest saffron]

Again, the search function has the entire chat logged.

[dreamy vine]

Please. Slow. Let me Absorb You.

[sick ermine]

I'm being absorbed...... Slowly.

I feel like I'm logged. A slow log. Absorbed inside the log. Starting to slowly log... But only perhaps slowly. You are logging and absorbing me.

[forest saffron]

That’s exactly what I said. The search bar has every chat logged:

[sick ermine]

Logged.

Im gonna log for 2 elixer.

[forest saffron]

#the-tavern message

All logged.

[sick ermine]

I'm absorbing the log.

Slowly.

[forest saffron]

This is why we have 2k in dungeon, because people come in tavern and see nothing but low effort trolling.

[cunning crypt]

❌

[nocturne scarab]

✔️

[cunning crypt]

people trolling in public chat and 2 thousand people total across all servers is literally not connected whatsoever

[forest saffron]

Player come in tavern, asked question, gets an instant, factual and objective answer, and it gets trolled for two days straight.

100% direct cause and effect.

Search the topic in Reddit and in the search bar, you will get hundreds of testimonies.

Even top streamers have attested to this numerous times:

[karmic sorrel]

Why is spectral in HR way faster than usual

[forest saffron]

All people do is rage bait and harass others, and it 100% turns away players.

[atomic schooner]

its midnight in EU. we normally have like 6-8k online during not off times

[karmic sorrel]

EU def has ppl in it right now at least in trios

[forest saffron]

I’ve been checking this week, it’s always hovering around 2k when I check, during peak hours you can look in the player list in game.

It will tell you how many players are in game.

[atomic schooner]

i was on just a couple days ago and it was 3k dungeon 3k online :)

[nocturne scarab]

New behavior change at the end and beginning of his thrust mechanic.

Has a chance to combo off of it with a low or high spin.

[karmic sorrel]

Aids

[drifting scaffold]

[forest saffron]

Play everyday mid day which is peak, never seen over 2k in game.

[sick ermine]

W ragebait

[atomic schooner]

then your not playing dark and darker :)

[sick ermine]

He's hooking more people to absorb.

[nocturne scarab]

I'm not stupid guys I'm just trolling.

[wind juniper]

i’m both

[drifting scaffold]

real

[wind juniper]

suck an egg ho

[forest saffron]

I play almost everyday. I check player count every time I play. After peak, dungeons are literally empty in NA east which is the most populated.

[sharp sphinx]

Fckn nerds

[atomic schooner]

you might wanna check what server you have selected then :) i play on both EU and NAE and i almost always find teams in my games

[forest saffron]

Why do you keep smiling while giving objectively false confirmation bias? Nothing you are telling me is factual to my observations. I play NA east. It is the most populated. That is objectively factual. After peak hours, HR trios, HR solos, and all normals queues are dead, and you can literally go all night without finding other players. There is never more than 2k in dungeon during peak when I have looked everyday this week. All of this can be replicated.

[atomic schooner]

and im telling what ive experienced while playing recently :) i played only one game on nae where i couldnt find players. every other game i ran into someone :) and again. every time ive checked during peak EU times there has been 6k online :)

[paper sail]

make arena 24/7 plsssssssssssssss

[atomic schooner]

nah. use the weekdays to grind gold to upgrade your arena kit

[paper sail]

You could grind it whenever if it was 24/7. It being open doesnt prevent you from playin the main game lol @atomic schooner

[forest saffron]

So you have experienced me NOT playing NAE?!You are saying it’s always populated though you only played one game? You literally jumped into to the conversation right after I was saying that this type of trolling and misinformation drives the player count down this low.

And this is what people see everytime they come in tavern.

[atomic schooner]

never said it does prevent from playing the main game. im just saying to use the downtime to upgrade your kit

[broken pagoda]

Palpatine trying not to get into an argument challenge (impossible)

OH he typing, I'm the next victim 😔

[forest saffron]

What am I arguing about? Everything I have said has been objectively factual.

[atomic schooner]

when did i say i only played one game total? i said i played one game where i found no players. i have played alot of games on nae and eu :)

[paper sail]

@atomic schooner not much upgrading left to do on my kit lol. I just wanna RUN IT DOWNNNNN

[forest saffron]

Yes, one game and not found others. It is like that during off peak times. I can play 10 games in a row with no one.

It’s not just a one time occurrence. Player count is low.

[atomic schooner]

make new kits like i have then. im currently making a full set per colour lol. got a frost blue cleric set. a tidal blue fighter set. a ruby warlock set. im slowly making a gold barb set but i gotta grind some more gold and after im done with that ima be making a black wizard set

[atomic schooner]

i played mutiple games during nae off hrs and thats where i was pulling that from. only one game during off hrs where i didnt find players after playing multiple games :)

[atomic schooner]

the player count is fine :) there are games with less player count that are doing just fine :)

[paper sail]

@atomic schooner Wait wizards can be black?

[atomic schooner]

the new spellbook and crafted gear

[paper sail]

o ur talkin ab gear

[coarse star]

playercount is down and like 1/10th of players are in hr so its very dead lobbies.

Should get better after next patch but there is no denying playercount is low

[forest saffron]

That’s why SDF himself acknowledges player count is too low to implement map select, and that he is doing it anyway because he wants to improve the game, which is a step at bringing up the player count.

[atomic schooner]

player count is low compared to the start of the wipe. but thats just how wipes are. player count is currently fine when you actually realise that its not the start of wipe anymore

[coarse star]

when lobbies are consistently dead player count is not good/something needs to change.

yes its later into wipe but you can't get away with half the wipe the lobbies being dead. There is still a month til wipe and its only going to lose more players til then

[vocal loom]

Compared to previous seasons, the player count is waaay down kiddo

[upper birch]

genuinely how are the servers even still up they havent run out of money? lmao

[atomic schooner]

lobbies are not consistently dead. like i said before i am able to find a group basically every game :) if you want to join in on complaining about player counts being low. atleast read the previous msgs

[forest saffron]

Oh and blue restricted norms is terrible.

[atomic schooner]

yes cause theres things like tarkov 1.0. arc raiders. and it not being the start of wipe dragging down the numbers :)

[atomic schooner]

player count isnt low because of that. most players dont even play hr

[coarse star]

Your garenteed 1 other team whne you queue into a game but that doesn't mean lobbies aren't dead. Lucky to get a geared team after like 6 hr trios games. Its not in a good spot.

Barely any gear in hr and half the time not even full lobbies

[daring mortar]

doesnt matter what, if it hits 5k theirs a problem... we had 80k at one point, sit down and stop glazing sdf he ruined the game.

[coarse star]

most players don't play hr yet almost everyone I see has quit because of hr issues.

The reason nobody is playing hr is cause they all quit

[vocal loom]

The new update is going to bring me back because I can't stand how I couldn't select high roller map

[oak ember]

Akay, numbers are down because of numerous bad choices. Even die hard players like myself are so frustrated with the bad design choices and lack of response to teaming/RMTers that we've more or less given up and are lurking hoping for a good change.

[coarse star]

yeah this should help

[latent iron]

From my game experience and 2k hours it don't feel like that at all more like they threw bandaids on what had abuse potential in trios and recently started making certain classes more capable in 1v3 setting

[atomic schooner]

we had 80k when there was alot of hype for the game. this type of thing can just happen. the player count wont go back up to 80k ever unless a new massive streamer decides to pick up the game. literally all games that are really hyped up at one point end up "becoming dead" after a while

[forest saffron]

Because it is terrible in its current implementation, and because norms is capped values, so they can’t take their gear in, and they don’t wanna play HR in its state.

The end game is terrible and the mid game is terrible. S2R is literally keeping the game alive.

S2R is actually a huge W.

[dry sky]

@proud copper W map selection

[atomic schooner]

the end game and mid game isnt terrible. currently the loot progression is kinda ass and i want the old loot back where gear is actually hard to get. but actual end game and mid game isnt bad. just cause you dont like them, doesnt make them bad :)

[forest saffron]

HR and blue capped norms is literally why people are leaving.

[atomic schooner]

if thats what you want to believe then go ahead :)

[forest saffron]

Okay let’s just gaslight everyone who says they feel this way and troll the tavern.

[winged citrus]

Tbh if you ask me goblin caves is killing the game with random map. once thats fixed the game is W again

It's always goblin caves fault.

[atomic schooner]

its not gaslighting. im just saying if you want to believe that is why player counts are low then go ahead. everyone thinks differently :)

[forest saffron]

Are you aware of the scientific method? The ability to replicate results?

Look at all these people saying thank SDF for map selection.

[hollow fulcrum]

i mean theres like a dozen reasons player count is low, have not seen any complaints about blue norms

[daring mortar]

no... it was bcpatch 68 was the best then he made gear all the same with no stats

[winged citrus]

games dying cuz no preg goblins

[forest saffron]

Then why isn’t the majority of the playerbase in normals then?

[sage creek]

Because pve exists

[forest saffron]

The majority of the playerbase is not in PvE either.

[hollow fulcrum]

squires has always been the most popular. no risk PvP for fun is what most people are after tbh

[sage creek]

I'll be fighting the same 10 ppl all night long in HR. Elaborate

[forest saffron]

That’s my point. Are you arguing for or against, or do you know?

[sage creek]

From what you said the majority of players are in HR no? And I only meet the same players over and over again. My english isnt great so I mightve misunderstood ig?

[wide thorn]

are they going to make hr to where you can choose your map?

[forest saffron]

That’s not what I said. I said HR is dead and Norma is dead, and I gave a list of reasons why.

[winged citrus]

35% of the playerbase is.

[atomic schooner]

like a third of people play pve. half in norms and the rest in hr

[forest saffron]

Link the graph.

[winged citrus]

SDF's kitchen homeboy he admits it himself.

[sage creek]

But you said the majority wasnt in normals. Then not in pve. Now not in HR? Where are they then?

[forest saffron]

There is an official graph.

[atomic schooner]

yes just looked. its around 20% not 30%

[forest saffron]

Look at the graph SDF posted.

[vocal loom]

Bring back the brackets for norms along with the fix they are making to HR tonight and I think we will move in the right direction

[forest saffron]

Everything you say so far has had confirmation bias, there are facts that can always be observed.

[coarse star]

norms doesn't need gear brackets. splits queues way to much. you got squire and up to blues

[raven thicket]

Are the devs aware of the performance issues with other players. I will go from 120 fps to 40 fps when fighting a team in trios

[atomic schooner]

if you think im speaking off of bias then you think that :) not gonna change the fact that you are infact wrong about the game being dead :)

[broken pagoda]

If the next update brings the engine upgrade to the main server, expect performance to massively increase

[forest saffron]

30% == 20%
2k == full lobbies

[atomic schooner]

and i corrected myself on the 30% part if youve been reading the msgs. and its only 2k in dungeon. theres another 2k in lobby that are queuing aswell. and again off of my own experience. i have been finding people in game. i never said it was full lobbies. i have not had one full lobby. but i havent had dead lobbies :)

[forest saffron]

Well two other here and now have stated that we have, but it’s not gonna change the fact I’m wrong i guess

[sage creek]

So if there is 2 players in the entire game. But that 2nd player is always in your game it means the game isnt dead? 🤨

[forest saffron]

3*

[atomic schooner]

and ive told you before to double check your server and make sure your on one of the modes that actually has people on it

[forest saffron]

Gaslighting me again?

I guess I’m just wrong

[atomic schooner]

your allowed to check msg history to verify :)

[forest saffron]

Yeah you have called me wrong several times when I have been objectively factual.

[drifting scaffold]

objectively factual = I died plz nerf

[atomic schooner]

you have not been "objectively factual" you might have been talking from your own experience. but your experience hasnt matched up with mine :)

[forest saffron]

Yeah I guess I don’t play on NAE I’m just wrong , my lobbies aren’t dead they are just “special”

[daring mortar]

buddy we get youre a knight but its okay not to glaze sdf...

[drifting scaffold]

but bro plays EU

[drifting scaffold]

it’s ok if u don’t wanna read but when there’s sources to things it’s a lil weird #sdfs-kitchen message

[atomic schooner]

knowing what pois people normally play around or go to, playing the correct mode and not being unlucky also play into if you see others or not. if you need help in knowing where to go to find players then theres alot of people who can help out :)

[atomic schooner]

i dont glaze sdf :) like i said before. im speaking from my experience :)

[forest saffron]

I think I need help, can I arrange you to be my knight? Can you teach me how to select the correct server, and how to get full lobbies?

[atomic schooner]

if you are actually newer to the game and are in need of help you can go to the knights server and request a knight

[sick ermine]

I just think Palatine needs to slow down and absorb what Akay is saying

[forest saffron]

But you are the knight I want, you seem to know way more than me about the game.

[sick ermine]

Start slow and absorb. Akay is so right. You are wrong.

It's all in the logs.

[forest saffron]

Full circle

[dreamy vine]

absorb my brothers...

[sick ermine]

Full circle.

[broken pumice]

Bro wtf there’s a test server here?

[strange sage]

yeah, lol

[broken pumice]

Shiiiiiiiit learn somethin new er’day

[reef smelt]

how much do trolls bloods usually go for at the end of wipe there like 1.5k right??? sometimes even 2k

[drifting scaffold]

wait til arena is out itll go more

[sick ermine]

u pop tbs in arenas?

[paper sail]

@sick ermine Streamers and wannabes do, so theyll drive the prices up lol

[sick ermine]

W gold usage, 1 round with tb is the real difference maker

[raven thicket]

I hope so

[coarse star]

no way tehy are up to 1.5k rn.

Thats normally what they are ~ last week of wipe but they seem to be going up much more than normal.

[still dome]

game is dead and full of cheaters great job @proud copper \

[gaunt oracle]

when they hit 2k+, I have half a stash tab of them rdy to go XD

[daring mortar]

pvp mode feels like pve with the dead lobbies

[robust rampart]

🥀

[coarse star]

yeah im always buying hella tb's. I got a similar amount, would have more but been constantly buying and selling them for named kits

[true sun]

when is wipe

[supple drift]

Wowie, new patch tomorrow?? Hooray

[keen zephyr]

Most likely January

[daring mortar]

when is update coming out? tn?

[queen torrent]

cause this is end of wipe for most people

[spare lily]

gg

[keen zephyr]

Assuming their usual patch time, korean time evening

[paper sail]

Bro accidentally hit the hide HUD gui keybind but dont what it was (shift + l) and my god is that gamebreaking. That should NOT have a mapping by default

[proud blaze]

went from never seeing a named mob to killing grottox and warbone damn near one after the other holy

[covert maple]

why do water map mobs have so much HP
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[proud blaze]

whys bloodsap blade only worth 100g 😭

[brittle ginkgo]

Did they ever make a social area? Or bring the pre game tavern back in some way?

[proud blaze]

meanwhile thorn shield is 7000

[covert maple]

idk bro i have like 9 of them tho u want em lmao?

[proud blaze]

im just hype i killed the warbone

[covert maple]

lmao nah they aint worth shit ive been collecting them for the meme

wanna donate?

[swift coral]

Not yet but it's still planned, they wanna get it back within this wipe but idk bout that, will have to see

[strange sage]

because it sucks
#the-tavern message because it sucks less, and looks drippy

[ember snow]

because it only heal 1 hp

[valid harbor]

they didnt

[valid harbor]

skul

[oblique lantern]

today thewipe ???

[valid harbor]

everyday wipe is tommorow dw

[timber orbit]

warbone is by far the most common special mob in the game

that’s the main reason for the disparity in minor artifact prices

[hollow fulcrum]

i've seen like two other unique monsters in hundreds of hours, but warbone like 25 times

[elfin burrow]

I specifically hunted the frost imp for a whole season, never seen it. Gotten about 40 bloodsaps.

[hollow fulcrum]

saw it this season while playing with a random warlock, he took the staff, i was on wizard

[elfin burrow]

Rip. I wanted it on cleric that season for arena. needed found by 🙁

[pulsar kelp]

ITS HILARIOUS AFTER ALL THIS TIME AND FINALLY BALANCING AND FIXING THINGS THAT THEY RELEASE THIS CRAP. HOOOOOOOLLLYYYYY. I HAVE PLAYED NOTHING BUT ICE CAVES AND WATER CRAP IN THE LAST HOUR IN SQUIRE TO RICHES

DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THIS TRASH LAG AND OPTIMIZATION HOOOOOOOOOOOOLY

[heavy raft]

any idea when this update could drop

[crude blaze]

dave is the best moderator <3 @rancid bane ;3

[sonic remnant]

STOP MAKING ME PLAY THIS DOODOO ASS WATER MAP ON HIGH ROLLER

[dry sky]

Ws in the chat for @proud copper w revert

[open hedge]

can update the test server for unity security exploits, cant utilize it for anything else

[hard lodge]

@proud copper Thanks sdf, today I finally dug my first chest in the vipe. But unfortunately, due to your crappy anti-cheat and lack of desire to deal with cheaters in the game in any way, I lost it. Unfortunately, the Chinese, who freely use third-party software in the game, but do not bathe in any way, found me again with the help of esp at the other end of the map and did not let me leave the room at the cost of their lives.

Perhaps you should just give up playing dark and darker, because the skill and efforts in this game do not give any response. Endless bugs, disgusting optimization, and SO many cheaters, and it costs $30? Many honest players spend days trying to improve their skill, accumulate coins, and just play fair. But why do I need all this if I can just buy a bunch of accounts and play with cheats on them, completely killing both the game balance, the sports spirit, and the in-game economy of the game.

[whole panther]

this chat used to move so fast really saddening

[long mantle]

This patch is a big w but please Remove all class stackign with it please ❤️

[astral escarp]

tommorow night prob

[astral escarp]

you dont need found by for arena just buy one from the market

[elfin burrow]

Back then you did.

[astral escarp]

ah, you did mention that

[desert drift]

Hahahaha one game coming back after not touching since arc raiders released, and I’m very quickly reminded why I stopped in the first place. The RMT bis gear disparity is hilariously painful, I diff a dude in a fight so hard but still end up losing lmfao

Also the way the gear looks now is 🤢

[shrewd merlin]

Mianly because combat has most of the power put into gear rather than abilities. Buff abilities to allow for more outplay and mechanics expression and gear gap becomes less of an issue.

[turbid elbow]

aight announcements time, no expectations

[desert drift]

I mean I’m aware of how the gear and game works, I have 4K+ hours into it. It’s just funny how much more fun arc raiders has been and how quickly I’m reminded that skill expression doesn’t matter in this game. I was up several hits on this guy in this fight but I’m in purples and he is in all on roll Lego and unique BIS.

[sudden hatch]

HIGH ROLLER MAP SELECTION!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU

[proud blaze]

huge update game saved

[shrewd merlin]

aparently they have matchmaking to automaticlaly put people into gear buckets, but apparently not then...

[turbid elbow]

but why the healing buffs for cleric tho ahaha, throw something in there I guess. W selectable dungs tho

[mighty sparrow]

Yes, healer cleric buffs and more TM nerfs, exactly what we all wanted while longbows continue to one tap everyone

[warped copper]

HIGH ROLLER MAP SELECTION!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU

[lapis shadow]

INCREASE THE NAMED SPAWN RATE TO SAVE THIS GAMES LIFE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YOU CANT PLAY WITH GEAR UNLESS YOU SPEND ACTUAL MONEY ON THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please the market is so inflated

[livid rover]

We get our HR maps back..

im so happy now

[warped copper]

giga poggers

[molten marsh]

omg finally hr map selection

[vivid wasp]

So the remaining 40 ppl still playing this, good patch?