the-tavern

[latent iron]

Yeah that sounds good

No they can go to the same game but if they are friends in game they can't shake hands and do the team up emote

[past mango]

Tbf IM nuked their reputation. This server had so many people chanting hold the line. But they showed how incompetent they are. This wipe showed they are moving in the right direction, but it might be too slow and too late

[copper chasm]

But in solo mode you can’t… it only works on duos and trios, what you talking about?

[past mango]

Reas the whole conversation if you want to participate

[latent iron]

I was talking about back when it was a thing in solos

[past mango]

I play with some people like that. And they are baffled in arc raiders how much loot I get when I actually talk. They are baffled that talking works.

[copper chasm]

It wasn’t. Solos was removed

You still don’t know what you talking about

[latent iron]

Well you know what I mean I am to tired to explain everything

[past mango]

There was a short period of time, qhen solos was readsed that you could make a team lmao

You seem to not know what youre talking about

[copper chasm]

No, when the function came out, they have removed solos

You could enter only duos/trios, but without a companion

[latent iron]

Whatever the case you could shake hands and make a damn team Jesus stop being so annoying and that's what we were talking about

[copper chasm]

Inside the match you could shake hands with someone that hadn’t a companion

[past mango]

And when they readded solos, they didnt remove the ability to team up, they did fix it shortly after.

[copper chasm]

Cause they shit devs

They don’t know how to make it exclusive

[latent iron]

Yes

[copper chasm]

But it doesn’t works bro, try shaking hands in solos, you get prompted by saying you don’t have space on your team lol

[past mango]

Yah you joining into convos without read8ng what came before and talking about things you know nothing about. Just block him lol

[past mango]

You are illiterate. As such, goodbye

[trim idol]

HOW DO I ESCAPE THIS WATER MAP?

[past mango]

Drown

[copper chasm]

Ok, lets get disrespectful then

[past mango]

No this was no disrespect. Only facts. You did not read what was typed, and responded by saying something that made no sense. Therefor, illiterate.

[latent iron]

We both tried to explain and it's like this you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

[past mango]

3 people tried lol

[latent iron]

🥀😔

[past mango]

I just blocked him. Sadly so many people left in this discord are like him

[trim idol]

ILY

[copper chasm]

You can? Thats a nice skill

[formal mason]

:D

[vast karma]

Theres nothing fun or enjoyable about this game anymore. Its so screwed.

[untold jay]

Killing a fellow player is quite enjoyable to me

[past mango]

A relaunch could save it. But they have a lot to fix before they even try that

[vast karma]

I don't see how a re launch would help anything. I mean maybe if they started from the ground up. Fixed the issues that have been there since day 1 maybe then but idk. Balance is still horrible. Idk I would love to see it saved but I have been holding the line for so long my hands are tired.

[kind nova]

what specifically is so BAD about the balance to you

[past mango]

Tbf I think each class has minimal viable builds. But they are hopefully fixing that next season with all the new perks and abilities they said they are adding. Plus retuning some old ones.

[kind nova]

How many viable builds do u think each class needs? there are already what 10 different classes?

[past mango]

But I will say I think every class has at least onr viable builds

[kind nova]

and which class doesnt have more than 1 viable build

[drifting scaffold]

mmmm maybe bard

but it depends on what you think is “viable”

[marble pond]

is there speed hackers in this game or what

get outrun by ppl in full plate while wearing cloth makes 0 sense

[thick basin]

anyone know where to find sailor journal at

[livid chasm]

i mean bard has normal, drunk, and double crossy

[latent iron]

I swear but I can't prove it but fighter can go above 330 move speed with his abilities

[past mango]

HR double crossy and drunk are hardly viable.

[livid chasm]

Watch ziptie play both in one kit and you'll realise its slept on

[strange sage]

everystrat is good if the player using it is good

[livid chasm]

i agree but i just dont see the argument for those 2 subclasses i listed being bad lol

(and i also tried out the build myself and got some pretty decent success even tho im an awful bard player)

[marble pond]

is arena dead atm?

[fallow ingot]

feels like it

[strange sage]

double crossy: no shield, if you get caught off guard youre dead
drunk: complete shit if youre not in really good gear with phys heal on everything

[livid chasm]

with double crossy you dont have a shield, but you have insane slowing. two crossbows + drums slow movespeed so much that its extremely easy to kite with (especially because of your song that gives +9 ms, even better if you pair it w/ drunk to get the free 10ms from drinking aswell)

as for drunk, saying thats its bad unless you build for it is kinda silly to me, most classes are bad if you dont build their important stats

[alpine moth]

You have made Sorc fully unplayable. All the hours into this wipe getting gear for Arena is now worthless. @proud copper @hexed adder is this how u want ur community to feel? This isnt what a paid for.

[past mango]

Not bad, but not really viable. A great player can make meme kits seem so though

[livid chasm]

my point is i dont think theyre meme kits at all lol

as i said im a terrible bard and still saw success

[vernal marten]

the water map is literal Shite.

[pulsar lantern]

why you saying this like its a bad thing?

[vernal marten]

just got it as a HR game for myu FIRST game on in 2 weeks.... i insta left it. fk that gear i had on

[sick hatch]

what do you main?

[alpine moth]

Nerf sorc more it needs it

[pulsar lantern]

atm, penguin druid

[alpine moth]

Nerf sorc it got 50 dmg in arena Nerf sorc

[pulsar lantern]

True nuke

[alpine moth]

Delete sorc ppl liked it too much. we need more w key

give barb invis instead. but make them able to 10step without taking the perk

[marble pond]

yes very sad, anyways

[willow tartan]

Tbh sorc should stay in the game but nobody really liked it so they should nerf it again

[hard forge]

Has any one had a problem as soon as u load game and click enter the lobby it does nothing i can click everything else but i can actually go in to lobby

and just to put out thair i dont have any red names or anything

[latent iron]

sorc ❌ ranger ✅

elemental bolt every 12 to 14 seconds ❌ arrows every 2 seconds ✅

cooldowns on everything you do as sorc ✅ bow sway while holding a drawn bow for a infinite amount of time ❌

[abstract hull]

Nerf sdf

[rugged flint]

god forbid we nerf ranger

[alpine moth]

I'm glad I get 100-0 while I merge my spells! 150 HP 70% Cast Speed aint enough i guess! silly meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[latent iron]

Silly Goy we gotta buy the spell casting dlc to cast faster as sorc

[alpine moth]

SO glad Wizard can zap me down before i cast a spell! Love hitscan WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

[nocturne scarab]

whats that you said? buff wizard? OK

[alpine moth]

Buff rogue? Dope

[nocturne scarab]

I'm always down for more buffs. I'll ride that train until this server is a ghost town because of it and then keep going.

[alpine moth]

Rogue is performing badly

[oak frost]

wen talent tree

[latent iron]

ranger needs a buff he cant one shot 😔 🥀

[gritty ermine]

Aint no way I keep finding eggs but not the damn spear. This is now my 5th stingray egg

Can we please get finally a god damn map selection. Would speed up things

[wind juniper]

give this man his spear so he can kill all 16 people playing the game

[gritty ermine]

nah then I could quit the game aswell because I have achieved everything possible

😂

[wind juniper]

send the timmy’s on a mission to find $40 for arc so this shit dies and we can move on w our lives

[gritty ermine]

Arc aint even that great. I dont get the hype lol

[lofty cosmos]

I havent played this game in awhile but wtf is going on.... you cant bring anything higher then blue to pvp whats the point of getting gear unless im just slow and missed something

[rugged flint]

yeah norms limited to blues completely broke the economy too

which is funny bc sdf has done this before but didnt learn his lesson

seems to be a reccuring pattern

[gritty ermine]

the more important question is, where is map selection?

[lofty cosmos]

yeah i know they did it before but i didnt know they went right back to this dumb shit

[rugged flint]

its pretty sad how much potential this game has but just completely stagnated due to amatuerish management

[dreamy vine]

What a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do...

[alpine moth]

Fix sorc and I'll stop messing with my teammates. Till then, rat-druid speedrunning 10 rating

[wind juniper]

hold on now you can troll on other classes why you gotta give us a bad name do it as barb or smt

[alpine moth]

nah rat makes it easy to get teamkilled

[wind juniper]

we got it rough as is

[lofty cosmos]

yeah its really sad i used to no life this game when i had nothing going on in my life

[alpine moth]

blame SDF for making the gold i saved up and spent worthless. now i dont have an arena kit

[fringe rain]

i have not playe dthis game in a while and oh boy its quite diffrent

[wind juniper]

it’s a stinky one

[lofty cosmos]

i would just not play it tbh

[fringe rain]

have not played for a year and 2 months

[wind juniper]

whatever you left for, it’s worse now

[fringe rain]

how so (asking cause i only played 1 round and am just mostly confused so far)

i did notice that i joined ina roudn taht already started wich was kinda weird

[latent iron]

ranger ✅ any other class ❌

[fringe rain]

wasnt that nearly always the case tho?

[latent iron]

yes but i used to pretend if i was good enough i could kill ranger on sorc

[fringe rain]

sorc?

[half lance]

Damn so real. Playing this game was me just pretending I could ever make a play

Im leaving this server lol what a fumble 🤦🏼

[latent iron]

Yes 🥺

[fringe rain]

what you mena by sorc?

[latent iron]

I mean I get 2 tapped when I attempt to cast a spell

So I rage swapped to ranger

And now I lose like maybe 1 out of 5 games

[fringe rain]

oh they added a new class

[latent iron]

They may as well remove it now

[alpine moth]

think i made 10 ppl get offline so far

whoops

[fringe rain]

i recived a legendary wapeon for killing a golem??

[latent iron]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[rain pine]

from what

[odd prairie]

wwhat are the oddds the game is sstilll around by sssummer?

[rain pine]

high

[late flax]

why ruin such a great game. You have a start lobby, you knew how many party's where on your match, you can choose the map, now, i got ruins 25 times in a row, then ice, then water... gobling dont exist for me

[gaunt ingot]

What's the best gear on sorcerers?

[gritty ermine]

Map selection

[tawdry citrus]

Dead game, cape physics removed

[dreamy vine]

[pulsar kelp]

the game is so stuttery right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS ASAP ITS UNPLAYABLE

[long mantle]

GIBE WIPE.

[naive lintel]

gm

[ember snow]

nerf barbarian

[livid chasm]

its in your settings :D

[fallen valve]

How much is the Ancient Stingray egg?

[sullen pasture]

Why do you complain about literally everything, when the game is in the best spot its been in seasons.

[nocturne scarab]

tradition
next question

[slow canyon]

Yes

[livid chasm]

10full chests+

[fallen valve]

Does it require a real life blood donation?

[livid chasm]

if only

[fallen valve]

bruh

I just want the torch

[livid chasm]

might need to sadly try and farm yourself 😔

[fallen valve]

Is it really rare or do people just never fight stingray?

[lilac cloud]

yo move the fucking quick fill button, why would you put it right next to the sell button when it can just straight up eat good ass gear

[long mantle]

[mystic spindle]

skill issue

[livid chasm]

uhhh people fight it quite a bit its pretty rare

[lilac cloud]

no kidding these devs programming skills fucking blow

[mystic spindle]

i was reffering to you not being able to take 1 sec to click the right button brother

[lilac cloud]

...

[lilac cloud]

no wayyyy are you seriousss??? i would have never guessseddd

[desert vector]

be nice please

[ember snow]

NERF THE CLUB MORE

[limber cairn]

nerf sorc more

[turbid elbow]

season done midway, may we get a semi-mini-wipe in dec @hexed adder please? thx

[tough drift]

how much are ancient eggs going for rn?

[gritty night]

WHY AM I CRASHING NOW

[ember snow]

really? Soc is really weak now

[limber cairn]

just to be funny

[forest cargo]

yo what cast speed should i aim for on caster lock

[limber cairn]

get like 30% cast speed and 10% action speed

[forest cargo]

trill

[limber cairn]

curses have wack hit reg so the action speed will make it feel a bit snappier after you release the cast

[ember snow]

attack speed doesn't affect the casting animation right?

[limber cairn]

it does

the release animation is affected by action speed

[nocturne scarab]

yellow bar = knw
dex = what happens after

[ember snow]

So the 'spell' flying slow or fast is based on casting speed?

[nocturne scarab]

no, you just release it faster

oh, well, that idk - maybe idk
🤷

ive seen nothing about missile projectile speed and if you mean for magic missile -- that's a channel being completed faster, not the same thing

[summer perch]

man these devs really dont like to listen do they

[turbid elbow]

your arcane missiles fly faster the more cast speed you got(saw a Jay vid with max know),they were saying: you know when you cast a spell, you get the spell casting bar(that is affected by knowledge-cast speed), after you release you do with book the hand gesture(that gesture is faster with action speed).
remember the prelobby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRG8Npw6M8&t=67s

[nocturne scarab]

give wiz a str scaler for spells
acts as another form of will
lets the wiz throw spells "harder" for more damage

[mystic fog]

when is the new season going to b e

[turbid elbow]

current one has 30+ days to go, based on the previous ones. nothing official announced yet

[forest cargo]

some1 buy my phoenix choker for 7999 +all att. full socket cus i accidently bought 2 😭

[nocturne scarab]

legendary?

[forest cargo]

yeah. mag heal /max hp/ bonus mdb/ +all

3 mins ago

[fringe mesa]

I feel like they should make it so that you can drag and drop items into the slot in the marketplace instead of just clicking the item

[past mango]

This gsmes already inefficient enough. Please stop trying to make ut worse.

[rain pine]

we get it bro

[lavish mantle]

There's total 500 players on eu

[tired pine]

bro i dc and i lost all my gold

[sudden hatch]

europeans are pragmatic in the sense that they know arena is hogswaddle and refuse to engage in meaningless unrewarding combat

[ember snow]

SDF kill Soc for players who don't know how to play

[grizzled coyote]

Or Europeans refuse to play a shitty game when there are soo many great once to play

[sudden hatch]

yes the game is shitty glad we agree

[grizzled coyote]

Yeaa I mean it's stil cool but I just don't have fun 🤣

[brittle oasis]

@proud copper water map u showed ur delusion + force us to play there.. and now youre talking about space.. u cant make this up

[grizzled coyote]

Wait we are forced in water map?

[lapis birch]

water map is actually thematically cool, space on the other hand as next map is...questionable at least

can we get layer 1 of ice map or deeper goblin caves ?

[sonic lynx]

watermapitsgooditsnotsdfproblemifyouhavenoopinionandyoufollowothersdesirelikeagood8-5worker

[tough jay]

It's cool if it was just materials grinding map..which it really actually is, but absolutely doesn't fit with the idea of a 'dungeon crawler'

[grizzled coyote]

It's cool
I rather play ice caved then water map

[tough jay]

There could have been a much more meaningful update and features to add, water map is just another proof they've no sense of direction or any idea where to steer the game, melee combat is lacking, but they're focused on range, they have crypts and ruins and they are the most complete and played dungeons, instead of working on it.. let's add a water map..and yet another stupid feature FAUSTIAN BARGAIN...GeNiUs IDeA 😑

[sharp marsh]

why i dont see more lycanthrop skin ? +4 vigor wow

[grizzled coyote]

Also like I hate traveling that map so much

I hate under water combat so much
It's all so slow and clunky

[rancid marten]

Couldnt wear a helmet, but now you can wear a helmet but it removes the +4 vigor buff

[hollow sedge]

can someone send me the best wizzard gear for arena in dm please

[spare lily]

I wouldn’t say there’s a set gear, rather the end stats. I think min 150hp 80-90 cast speed, min 315 move speed and 25% min mp

[proven summit]

why tf make quick vendor without confirm button just vendored my whole kit

@hexed adder

[dreamy vine]

You still have to hit sell lol

[versed prawn]

does goblin quest still give artifact?

[hybrid sequoia]

nah, but if you get a bargain deal, your firstborn should suffice

[lost radish]

any sorc mains here, give me the best perks to run atm please

[versed prawn]

Dont play sorc but maybe look at a morty vid

[neon apex]

Hello, can somebody help me to learn bosses?

[stuck laurel]

Still no minor artifact contest announcent, its been a couple months

[ember snow]

STUPID GAME STUTTER IN ARENA?????

[neon apex]

Party 35 if someone want to help us learn bosses xD

[somber arrow]

Check #📢community-announcements

[worldly mauve]

did they change some of the bosses up? im getting launched by wyvern stomps halfway across the area, im getting one shotted my spec knight spin move that you should be able to just duck even when i duck before he even turns etc

[empty zephyr]

This game is fucking trash

[plucky oar]

CAN WE GET THESE FUKING CHINESE DUMB FUKING CHEATERS OF OUR AUSTRALIAN SERVERS

I LOVE DONATING MY KITS TO CHINESE RMT'S

[oak barn]

Is there any option to train dodging against every monster outside a run? like I have seen those youtube videos where they spawn a single monster to see his attacks

[turbid elbow]

no such thing for the actual players to use; would be a cool tutorial where you invulnerable and spawn mobs you want to train

[oak barn]

ah damn thank you

its so hard to train dodging against specific mobs when you first have to go to the mobs :D

[autumn gust]

does the cave troll appear in pve?

[hollow lagoon]

so who does the updating on the Dark and Darker Wiki

[drifting scaffold]

the dark and darker wiki discord I think

[arctic heath]

Different skins have different hitboxes so could be that maybe

[hollow lagoon]

so the game has died out so much no one updates the artifacts on the wiki

[drifting scaffold]

the wiki has always been slow to update. if you want faster updates maybe go contribute

[worldly mauve]

ik that but its skins i boss regularly with

[arctic heath]

Ahh no idea then, I know lizard skins and croc makes spectral a lot harder

[drifting scaffold]

the little raised bits in spectral arena make it harder to dodge, the center for instance

[pine gate]

8K players at the weekend hahahha game is so dead

[alpine cypress]

You’re not wrong but it’s definitely not peak hours lol

[fallen crypt]

rip dark and darker

[fallen crypt]

5k

[fallen crypt]

just block it still works fine if blockin!

oh your talking that stupid circle in the middle , yeah

[drifting scaffold]

yea exactly

[fallen crypt]

ye it’s a stupid design move

[fervent flint]

its 6 am bro. the general player base that plays this is 20-35. and if youre that age and on this early youre cooked. like me

[fallen crypt]

either make it flush or raise it an exaggerated amount so that it’s obvious

[fallen crypt]

it’s 1pm

other places in the world exist lil bro

[fervent flint]

not for the most popular server east coast... where most of the pop is... its 6

[fallen crypt]

source?

https://tenor.com/view/i-made-the-whole-thing-up-carol-matt-damon-30rock-i-was-joking-gif-19248729

[fervent flint]

this is news to you? xD

[gaunt oracle]

4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[fallen crypt]

it’s a decent idea but it’s over bro

[gaunt oracle]

it aint over til they remove pve

as long as we have the timmies, we have a chance

[fervent flint]

true

[fallen crypt]

real and true

[humble blaze]

Yes. Pve should have never ever been added

[fallen crypt]

[humble blaze]

This game was meant to be a PVP game, PVE alone is trivial and boring

[fervent flint]

or at least change it to where you can only play pve if under a threshold of hours on ur account

[fallen crypt]

it’s like 25% of the games population now

[humble blaze]

Sdf's vision is the same as of a 100y old grandfather whose eyes have been smashed with a hammer

[fervent flint]

its more than that now sadly

[humble blaze]

Yes because people who enjoyed the playtests and the PVP hardcore thing left considering the circus the game is now

[gaunt oracle]

I think they should just remove PVP at this point tbh. I dont see PVErs in here threatening and insulting devs after every patch. lets just surgically remove the cancer and turn dark into purely pve

[fallen crypt]

His vision is he want ready to have a hugely successful game and the financial and public success i think threw them off and they made too many hairbrained choices one after the other until the game has returned to the small niche community game area that it will now remain in until heat death

wasn’t ready

[humble blaze]

They tried to appeal to many different playerbases

[fallen crypt]

i’d agree w that

[humble blaze]

Making contradictory decisions over and over again

[fervent flint]

john already only plays pve LOL

[fervent flint]

lets just go play where winds meat its peak rn

better than arc raiders too

[covert thunder]

Take me back to playtest 3. This was my favorite game of all games I have ever played and I put 4k hours into this shit in these years. Sad sad sad ill get my dopamine else where. Arc raiders

[fervent flint]

arc raiders only pve too just play where winds meet. at least when you pvp in there people dont cry

[somber arrow]

It's literally a mobile game lol

[fervent flint]

and still somehow better

[somber arrow]

I feel sorry for you

[fervent flint]

arc in your tag LOL

[somber arrow]

Yep, arc is an actual game, not just another Chinese mmo with no innovation

[fervent flint]

oh you obviously havent played yet

probably watches ign reviews LOL

[somber arrow]

Who that?

[fervent flint]

yikes

[drifting scaffold]

where winds meat

[somber arrow]

Lmao

[fervent flint]

ahahaha

[gaunt oracle]

joined discord this morning, shilling a different game. how much you getting paid for this? do they supply the strawmen for your arguments?

are they hiring?

[fervent flint]

more players then arc and this game cope

[somber arrow]

That's how dead DaD is, nothing to talk about but other games

[fervent flint]

and arc

[gaunt oracle]

have fun with that

[somber arrow]

Thankyou

[fervent flint]

bro said turn dnd into pve only. pve is the problem from the start

[hybrid sequoia]

usually its a sign of giga cope over the game they shill for, because if the game would actually be good, they would effin stay there and play them, but its so good, he chose to not play it and go to other games discord itself

[gaunt oracle]

why do you care? go play wind whatever

[fervent flint]

you werent saying that when people were doing the same here but shilling for arc AHAHA

[drifting scaffold]

where the wind meats

[gaunt oracle]

yeah ive heard of that game

when someone talks about a popular game, its because its popular. whatever you're shilling, NOBODY has ever heard of. whats your affiliate link

[drifting scaffold]

kind of weird darkerdb isn't updating very quickly anymore

[drifting scaffold]

na i get ads for it on instagram

[fervent flint]

check steam charts

[drifting scaffold]

oh it's a steam game? deadass thought it was a mobile game

[fervent flint]

it will eventually come to mobile for solo play

[somber arrow]

Significantly lower than arc

[drifting scaffold]

reminds me of uhhh blade and sword?

vindictus? that kind of game

[fervent flint]

significantly?wrong. already closing in on it and its only been out for a couple days. arc has been out for 9 weeks

most played games. arc is number 4. where winds meet is number 5. bro said significantly LOL

[somber arrow]

I'd argue that a peak of less than 200k isn't really closing in on a peak of 450k+

Plus arc is on console

[fervent flint]

so is where winds meet....

[somber arrow]

Still less than half steam users

[gaunt oracle]

where do winds meat tho

[somber arrow]

Lmk when those numbers jump champ

[gaunt oracle]

its a solid question. w devs

[fervent flint]

350k peak players vs 200k after only a couple days.... youre shillin

[somber arrow]

350 in the last 24 hrs.. you gotta learn how to read steam charts

[fervent flint]

i get it tho you got arc as ur tag AHAHA

yeah where did i say otherwise. time for a game still helps grow over time like it has.... brother what. meanwhile wwm only out for a couple and caught up. will continue to grow and pass that terrible pve game

[somber arrow]

Keep coping brother, lmk when those numbers jump

[fervent flint]

yeah man keep coping. every day its jumping. as seen already behind arc raiders by 1 spot

[somber arrow]

I'll be waiting

[fervent flint]

no need already happening at a faster rate then arc

[drifting scaffold]

[candid pollen]

Delete sorc

[celest grove]

Arc is not a terrible game tho?

[fervent flint]

no one said that

[candid pollen]

Seems well made. Played it after sorc nerfs. But not really scratching that itch

[celest grove]

Ye
I don't like the loot system
That's my only complaint and bossing
I like melee more of extraction looters

[fervent flint]

cause its also pve. when you pvp people cry

[celest grove]

Huh?

[gaunt oracle]

NerfMeleeWizard hates dark and darker because it doesn't have AI chatbots. pay him no mind

[celest grove]

Ahhh

[candid pollen]

Its like the opposite of this game. Good cooks, bad ingredients

[fervent flint]

it could use some tbh

[drifting scaffold]

ohhh wind meat is free to play, it all makes sense now

[celest grove]

Nah nah nah
It's def good ingredients tbh
It's just
A different type of extraction looter than dnd

[fervent flint]

yeah free yet still better than 40$ pve experience

[honest garnet]

Where the meat meets lmaooo

[drifting scaffold]

where meat meets wind 🙂‍↕️

[celest grove]

U realize this game sucks without legendary right?

[fervent flint]

cs is also free yet its number 1. bad argument

[celest grove]

Cs is also like
An entirely different genre

[candid pollen]

The setting, loot types and tpp are far from my taste but i get ya

[fervent flint]

so is where winds meet

[celest grove]

Ye I agree
It has decent mechanics, skill tree kinda mid
But it's not a bad game at all
Not for me tho
Still occasionally play it with a friend tho

[candid pollen]

I wanna cast dem spellz

[celest grove]

I just wanna parry and fight bosses

[fervent flint]

ur tag disturbs me

[fallen crypt]

how is that game like DaD at all? it’s a JRPG

[celest grove]

Good thing it's my tag and not urs then

[fallen crypt]

real and true

[candid pollen]

Unless...

[fervent flint]

who said its like dnd xD

[fallen crypt]

he did

[celest grove]

Let's all play ghost of tarbor guys
It's peak

[fervent flint]

wrong again pve enjoyer

[fallen crypt]

oh you guys both just joined the server

just here to troll lol

[celest grove]

I love pvp

[fallen crypt]

mains got banned 😂😂😂

[fervent flint]

yeah man nice detective work. makes a lot of sense huh xD

you regress

[fallen crypt]

lowest effort baiter , was talking about how pve sucks earlier, you gotta make some creative effort if you want anyone to notice you

[hybrid sequoia]

its well made game, but with extremely boring, flat loot

[celest grove]

Tbh I wanna say biggest reason I don't like it
Is the skill tree
I like different play styles both versing and using

[fallen crypt]

i wonder what kind of mental state someone must be in to reach out for human interaction on a niche video game discord general chat…. kinda makes me a little depressed to think about for them :/ fk man :/ stay safe

[fervent flint]

as you followed up saying you agree to making dnd pve only

[candid pollen]

I lov buildcrafting

[celest grove]

^

[candid pollen]

Sdf likes to destroy it tho

[celest grove]

Everytime sdf removes enchants I quit
That's the ONLY time I've ever quit this game

[fallen crypt]

was nice to get more gear atleast

just feels like builds haven’t changed meta wise even with all the new gear

i sometimes use the sturdy boots that’s about it

[celest grove]

The options r nice tho
Cheap alternative

[candid pollen]

Well, sdf doesnt like random rolls and likes to nerf alt builds on every class

[fallen crypt]

the mini wipe were he took away rolls was really odd

game was just strange , every class had 1 build

[drifting scaffold]

the meta gear in this game changes really slowly, but people have already started using the headshot gear effectively

[fallen crypt]

that shit killed the population

[fallen crypt]

i stacked some with the new longsword and was at a really crazy headshot % 😮

not enough hp to be useful besides a 1:1 trade but kinda fun ig

[balmy glade]

he literally buffs alt builds all the time lmao

[turbid elbow]

religion is peak, never change it devs

[drifting scaffold]

i'd just always rather invest money into like, ores for crafting than a skin

[turbid elbow]

nah boss I am collecting everything every season, is a compelte waste but so is my life, so all good

[celest grove]

Yea but bad buffs tbh or just not good enough ones
Only reallllly good one I noticed and used over other builds is lament now

[celest grove]

Give back my undead damage bonus religion

[turbid elbow]

by the power vested in me, here it is: 🥚

[candid pollen]

like what

[balmy glade]

demon lock, apex sorc, healer druid, melee sorc, drunk cleric im not gonna name every possible build but alt builds get buffed constantly

you cant name a single build on a class thats the only viable way to play that class

[celest grove]

Apex has always been viable
Healer druid has always been viable
Drunk cleric has always been viable

[balmy glade]

and all of those are builds

[slender reef]

Is the game down?

[turbid elbow]

all mentioned are kinda D tiers tho, good luck with em, if you not rogue in solos, you doing smth wrong

[celest grove]

Yes?
But they are frequently used
They aren't alt builds lmfao

[candid pollen]

demon lock is a revert of a buff of a revert and so on. Apex is a revert. Melee sorc is mid (but was playable since release). Drunk cleric is bad.

Meanwhile he nerfed 30 builds

[celest grove]

Of the ones I mentioned at least

[balmy glade]

good thing solos isnt the only gamemode

[thick star]

fuck the quick fill i just sold my inventory full of arena bis by accident

[celest grove]

Guy can't win 1v1s on anything besides invis rogue ig
Or play with friends

[balmy glade]

i always see a big variety of builds in all modes

[slender reef]

"Good Riddance"

[turbid elbow]

lock is the only way

[celest grove]

I usually don't tbh

[balmy glade]

drunk cleric is bad??? uh...

[drifting scaffold]

i also see a rather large variety, in particular this wipe

[candid pollen]

for druid we had bear / panther specs specifically which he gutted. We could have had chicken build if he fixed hitboxes.

Sorc had book build, merge build, td book build, apex build, apex td build and so on and he nerfed everything @balmy glade

[candid pollen]

yes

[balmy glade]

all of those still work lmao,

[fading halo]

whats the mantaray egg droprate?

[candid pollen]

never seen a bear build since like over a year lol

[balmy glade]

drunk cleric is super strong idk what bots you're playing

[candid pollen]

way before sorc even came out

[thick star]

i guess i deserve it for playing rogue

[balmy glade]

i see them all the time

[drifting scaffold]

especially now with the bless perk

[candid pollen]

never seen one or a drunk cleric either on trios. Bear is trash, melee cleric is cheese. Idk what bots ure playing

[drifting scaffold]

lmao the classic deflection

[balmy glade]

drunk cleric isnt built for trios, its solo/duo

[gaunt oracle]

same for bear

[candid pollen]

im talking about the real game

[drifting scaffold]

"i don't see it so it must be trash"

[balmy glade]

real game?

[candid pollen]

yeah trios

[drifting scaffold]

"i play the REAL game so if you don't see it you must not be playing the REAL game"

[gaunt oracle]

no true scotsman

[balmy glade]

i play trios all the time too and theres still a variety of builds, some just work better in it than others lmao

every build isnt gonna be equal in every mode

[candid pollen]

well thats kinda true

this game on solos is like a different game

[gaunt oracle]

true, but anything you can queue in dark and darker is "the real game"

[rain forge]

complete shit input. Drunk cleric wasnt even played anymore for wipes, healing druid wasnt a thing before the perk, Apex was bis when sorcerer release then absolut garbage for months

[candid pollen]

i can concede that but the whole argument was that sdf doesnt promote builcrafting - in the sense he could do way much more with minimal effort and he guts a lot of them with random nerfs

[rain forge]

always crying here as I can see, for your own mental sanity, you should do something else of your time

[candid pollen]

this wipe perk "rework" was the best he could do in 3 years

[slender reef]

Nah you don't m8, it's insane they added that before a buyback feature. This game feels like it was made 40 years ago sometimes

[celest grove]

Lmfao ok
Whatever u say rogue

[candid pollen]

healing druid was a thing before perk

[rain forge]

havent played rogue since wipe 3 and what is it even meaning lmaooo "whatever u say rogue"

[candid pollen]

we had bear healer kazaren build

[celest grove]

Cause rogues opinions aren't real
But u also have rogue role and pickpocket in name
Sooo

[slender reef]

Your name is the pickpocket. You not self aware yet buddy?

[celest grove]

Really developing his frontal lobe with this response
Wonder if I'll even read it

[rain forge]

[slender reef]

Worth the wait

[rain forge]

yw

[thick star]

yeah buyback would be nice first thing i checked for

[slim scroll]

this game is shutting down soon right?

[celest grove]

No

[drifting scaffold]

we got 7 more years bro

feels good to have 10k online

[zinc mountain]

will be gone in 2 days once arenas gone 🥀🥺

half the playerbase rn only plays arena

[fading halo]

why is there no interaction speed gemming 😭

[zinc mountain]

bc fuck looters

go kill geared guys in squire like a true DaD player

or roleplay those guys are cool

rest in piece musical chicken 🙏

[drifting scaffold]

na it only drops like 2k when arena's not on

[zinc mountain]

I've seen it at 4k this week

ngl haven't seen it at 10k in a while good to know at least arena mfs are still here 🥹

whens wipe? in a month?

[drifting scaffold]

yeah about a month. sry i was talking about peaks which happen around now, later in the afternoon when it's only USA on it's like 4k-5k

[zinc mountain]

oh alr makes sense

[little bane]

....have we confirmed that arc raiders is project p7?

[wide valve]

Does ceremonial staff give more healing from curse of pain ? And if so does it have to be out after casting ?

[zinc mountain]

as long as you have it out you get healed more, doesn't matter what you cast the spell with

[candid pollen]

probably like february

[zinc mountain]

I really hope it's not this wipes alr dying

[candid pollen]

"make or break" wipe

[zinc mountain]

for releasing a water map instead of increasing server tick rate or giving us a skilltree I feel like they did decent

[candid pollen]

bard with 1 skill that they nerfed, sorc 0 skills

[zinc mountain]

all I want is higher tickrate servers so shields can be consistent

but I mean games dead they don't have money for better servers

[lunar ginkgo]

@proud copper kontol

[zinc mountain]

they didn't really nerf bard they just buffed and nerfed songs no one uses, bard is essentially untouched if you aren't fucking around

[candid pollen]

nah i mean the dissonaince skill

[zinc mountain]

sorc got nerfed pretty bad though that cast speed now is awful

[candid pollen]

the whole point is nothing new was addedd to classes

[zinc mountain]

dissonance is kinda troll, did they change anything abt it? mainly just looked at songs

[candid pollen]

dissonance was very very good. Really nice alternative playstyle but its nerfed now

[zinc mountain]

in arena I've gotten by with the silence song

not as good but you don't have to trade out self buffs for stuff like shriek and alegro

tbf I wouldn't take that into the dungeon

[candid pollen]

totally different playstyle. double crossy, dissonance, ale + perk for instrument damage was the best build this wipe

[zinc mountain]

ive done double crossy but without ale without dissonance

those crossbows hurt

you just shoot someone twice chuck a drum they die

[gritty ermine]

map selection

[worthy shuttle]

fuck map selection give barbarian another 5 vigor

[ember snow]

HR barbarian with 340 speed

[minor ledge]

so spectral is buffed as hell?

[flat summit]

Yo is there a certain way to get candy corn, can you get it in non hr?

[honest rivet]

I'm having a really hard time dodging his crouch/jump phase , keep getting fucked by the feet

[onyx stag]

honestly hr random map is what turned me off. after getting maps constantly that i don't enjoy playing. i'm just going to play weekend arenas and not play the main game until they fix something...

[honest rivet]

Anyone else having a hard time with the spectral phase Crunch/Jump ? I keep getting hit on my feet and one shot

[drifting scaffold]

yes he's got more mixups. wyvern has more shockwave on the slam

[honest rivet]

yeah the wyvern change isn't that bad , makes sense to counter rogue/panther being inside the model/boss

[celest grove]

Ye I tried spec yesterday
And his dash followed by swing combo is kinda nutty
If I wasn't ready that would've cut my head Smoove off

[honest rivet]

that's not too bad cause it's just faster

[ember snow]

arena belike:
Win +10
Lose -100

[celest grove]

Ye I like it
Just caught me off guard

[honest rivet]

does the duck/jump phase when he's 33% hp fucking you up ?

[celest grove]

No
I have kinda good reflexes tho all u gotta do is see if he's starting high or low first

[honest rivet]

yeah I know

[minor ledge]

does spectral loot pool at least got inreased

[celest grove]

Doesn't feel like it

[woven widget]

does spectral drop loot? never killed it EVER

[crisp pelican]

He drop like maybe 1 or 2 loot

[halcyon relic]

Is cutlass only for fighter or it can be used by bard?

[crisp pelican]

Can be used by bard warlock and sorc too I believe

[woven widget]

only for wizard

[celest grove]

Hilt for like 1k
Fabric for 2k
Very fast kill time
Pile + marv
Can drop uniques but not too common

[halcyon relic]

Euuuuh that's a bit weird logic

[celest grove]

I mostly kill him after banshee just to farm keys
Get a skull key would be nice but usually rusty or gold

[woven widget]

you literally know me why are you acting like Im not a little mine goblin

[celest grove]

I don't know u well enough to say I know u tbh
I only recognize name

[ripe glade]

yo this game does wipes every now and then right? are we able to see when the next wipe is?

[woven widget]

smh

[crisp pelican]

No wipe timer yet but expect late December or early January

[woven widget]

no wipe, only bidet

[ripe glade]

thanks!

[woven widget]

[celest grove]

It's like a month and change

[ripe glade]

is that the average time between wipes?

[celest grove]

It's like 3/4 months a wipe

[ripe glade]

ok cool thanks

[celest grove]

Wonder what the season race will be tbh

[solemn swift]

Anyone tryna run arena

[gaunt oracle]

4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[twin fable]

tone deaf balance changes haven't yet hit the mark in years

[celest grove]

10 minutes tf?
I'm in in sub 1 minutes
For like
All party sizes

[cunning zealot]

They are talking about letting people see which map is currently up in the rotation. So, you can wait for the one you want

[celest grove]

OHHHH rotations
Yea that's fine
It worked well but then the minority was louder and complained

[ripe glade]

i personally wasnt a fan of map rotations but tbh its probably for the better

[celest grove]

I wasn't a fan of it either but it did work

[fair shale]

Does anybody know if bladehand drop the warmaul artifact

[cunning zealot]

At least we knew which map we were getting. Made it easier to plan your build and what gear/items you may need

[celest grove]

Manta does
And spear

[fair shale]

ok thanks

[celest grove]

Bladehand is only shields

[half cave]

ngl why is there no goblin recovery in hr pve mode just lost a viola while testing a kit cuz i didnt know. just wanted to warm on on bosses and lost my entire kit worth over 300k gold i sold all my arenas kits and items to make that kit and now i have nothing dont even know why i play this game anymore tbh

[fair shale]

really so he drops deli, dryd, and aegis

[celest grove]

Yes he drops dog

[turbid elbow]

o7 sir, am sorry for you loss, pve is just another well implemented system, competing with religion

[tawdry quiver]

YOOOOOOOOOOO

bro got hit with the sdf hardcore vision

[half cave]

like i unironically cant even explain the pain rn fresh off work ready to enjoy my 1 day off and poof all gone becuase i know nothing about pve mode

[thick star]

ngl it's kind of on you, no recovery was written in the patch notes but i agree it's stupid goblin recovery should be in every mode imo

[turbid elbow]

mannn stfu and add a tooltip tf

[celest grove]

Sting ray also drops polearms and pulv
Just checked the list

[shrewd plume]

How's the dead game

[fair shale]

where can i see the list

[shrewd plume]

still stuck with random map?

[half cave]

well as someone who doesnt play it all all kinda wild that i have to scroll down in the description of the game mode to even see it. like it should be a big pop up wen u ready up

[celest grove]

I'll DM it

[fair shale]

thanks man

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls

[thick star]

it's written under hr pve description and mind your manners

[thick star]

yeah games optimized bad in every way

[rare socket]

the cat was home when you left

[turbid elbow]

you are correct, it's written there. I am sorry for the bad words, undeserved. thanks

[half cave]

yeah u have to scroll down lol its in the fine print

forgot to read the post credits before starting my match

think the devs will roll back about 20 minutes games dead enough that nobody will lose anything im sure

[thick star]

you're a good person for writing this

[mild chasm]

when is wipe?

[dusty summit]

Get on this morning and game freezes while im selling stuff, great game 10/10

[brittle oasis]

@proud copper so were back to circle discussion and youre talking about space map...great

[celest grove]

Y we doing army cadences

[slender phoenix]

i love how there is no report button on the arena results screen 10/10 design

[half cave]

taking a moment of silence for the kits stats 191 health 330 movespeed 37% action speed 44.8 pdr 17.6 mdr 29 phys power 311 movespeed delirium and viola out 321 movepeed weapons out with ale 181 health delirium out

[dusty summit]

My game froze and i died

Wtf is happening, never had this problem

[crisp ember]

can you still spell predate invis pots off team mates for shards

[drifting scaffold]

yes pretty sure it's still there, there was a strat to do this with prot pots back when it was first changed

[crisp ember]

i tried prot pots and it didnt work

[drifting scaffold]

oh they changed it?

[crisp ember]

maybe, the spell still says it consumes buffs for shards

[celest grove]

U can't do it on teammates anymore

[crisp ember]

also how does curse mastery work does it do more damage or just longer lasting

[celest grove]

It's the same tick damage but it will last 30% longer

[drifting scaffold]

ahhhh alright. no friendly buffs

[celest grove]

So 30% more over time damage is a better description

[crisp ember]

i used spell pred on a clerics smite/dp and it didnt give

[drifting scaffold]

enemy or friendly?

[crisp ember]

enemy

[drifting scaffold]

kind of a puzzle to try and piece together on the wiki

[celest grove]

Cause what can and can't be removed sucks

I'm half convinced it's only wheeled buffs
Like bard songs wiz haste etc

[drifting scaffold]

afaik spell predation and purge shot work the same, on a certain set of buffs

[celest grove]

Ye but there's no description as to what those set of buffs r

I don't use either of those abilities so didn't worry about it too much

[drifting scaffold]

yeah that's what I'm peeking at the wiki for. it says most are unremovable but doesn't mention which ARE removable

oh wait here it is

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Buffs open the Class panel and Policies has "Removable"

[celest grove]

I checked that
And it's wrong
I don't remember y I thought it was
But remember some of those that says removable just being wrong

[drifting scaffold]

maybe they're removable by wisp but not the ability? bc I agree the soul collector shard one says removable but I know you can't with the ability

[celest grove]

Yea it says carnage is removable and stuff

[crisp ember]

but yeah its weird that prot pots and abilities arent giving shards

[warm fable]

prot pots?

[rich walrus]

That is what they are ….. it’s buffs …. Not “skills”

[warm fable]

spell predation doesn't work on allies anymore

only on enemies

• yes it doesn't work on abilities which is dumb

[celest grove]

Some skills are affected by purge tho

While others r buffs
In description
Yet aren't purged
Or are affected by buff duration
Yet can't be purged

[rich walrus]

I was getting at spell pred , purge is a whole nother issue lol

[warm fable]

spell pred works on trols blood but doens't work on healing potions.
like wtf useless spell

[celest grove]

They r exact same thing

According to wiki of what they can affect besides spell pred not working on allies

[rich walrus]

Nope one is newer THUS , has oversights and short comings

I’d report the bug/lack of code and they MIGHT fix it next “ColdPatch”

[warm fable]

@hexed adder when artifact tournament ?(I know you are not gonna respond)

[spare spade]

but i will

[warm fable]

[mild chasm]

normals should also be on map rotation this game is way to dead to have 16 queues

[marsh sand]

if wiz puts ignite on barb, does the barb hits apply melt and fire mastery?

[warm fable]

normal adventure mode should be on map rotation map. this mode should be for noobs to learn the game not to sit there 24/7 to farm gold

[spark vault]

Adventure mode💪

[blissful mirage]

anyone selling the wrong stuff thanks to quickfill?

[drifting scaffold]

ive started getting into the habit of stashing important shit first before hitting quick fill

[drifting scaffold]

no only damage from the wizard having the perks

[oblique lantern]

Is there any way I can play Ice carven In HR ???

|I really want to play Ice IN HR

[slate hawk]

Currently there is no way to chose a map when playing HR, part of the challenging adventure is not knowing where you'll be playing, I guess.

[oblique lantern]

more than 17 game in row no ice at all
I am killing my self every time and still no Ice

[late bolt]

literally more alive than HR tbh. this is how u dumpster the playerbase down back to 3k

[junior hound]

same issue here, i get 80% ruins, 10% goblins 10% water never ice map which is my favorite

[slate hawk]

Looks like my stats too, mostly ruins when I try to go for Ice
# Map 1 Ruins 29 Ruins 2 Ice 30 Ruins 3 Ruins 31 Maelstrom 4 Ice 32 Ruins 5 Ruins 33 Ruins 6 GC 34 Ruins 7 Maelstrom 35 GC 8 Maelstrom 36 Ice 9 Ruins 37 Ruins 10 Ruins 38 Ruins 11 Ruins 39 Ruins 12 Ruins 40 Maelstrom 13 Ruins 41 GC 14 Ruins 42 Ice 15 Maelstrom 43 Ruins 16 Ruins 44 Maelstrom 17 Ruins 45 Ruins 18 Ruins 46 Maelstrom 19 Ruins 47 Maelstrom 20 Maelstrom 48 Ruins 21 Ice 49 GC 22 Maelstrom 50 Ruins 23 Ruins 51 Maelstrom 24 Maelstrom 52 25 Ruins 53 Ruins 26 Maelstrom 54 Ice 27 Maelstrom 55 GC 28 Ice 56 Ruins

[split umbra]

Is the game still bad

[blissful mirage]

yes everything is pdr barb with club

[split umbra]

Wow what a suprise

Same as 6 months ago

[mild chasm]

they should honestly just remove solo's too. the game felt alive when i saw solo's and duo's slapping hands in every dungeon

[split umbra]

I assume they’ve buffed barbs hp

[drifting scaffold]

club wilts to a decent shield just block the fist now ezpz

[split umbra]

I assume longsword beats it

Games still awfull and every patch is probably a disappointment

[blissful mirage]

?

[fair loom]

shit ass water map its so ficking bad devs are reatard

[late bolt]

so true oomfie

[split umbra]

Rember when this was the 3rd most popular game on stream with over 100 k players lol

Based sdf running it into the ground

[next mason]

Is there a way to report throwers in arena? This guy legit ran in and died on purpose back to back laughing.

[short pollen]

mana sphere true magic no longer applies to demon's glee, correct?

[pallid crystal]

cant tell people how to play their game

[pure vault]

The more the devs worked on the game the worse it got its hilarious

[lilac spruce]

Does luck work in pve high roller or am i just getting super lucky

[split umbra]

For a while luck was bugged and made loot worse for the first year

I think most of the wiki guys quit cuz the games a sinking ship but I think one still updates id ask him

[celest grove]

Yes luck has been working this wipe

[lilac spruce]

It no longer matters. The game i started after i said that, my client crashed and i just lost my whole kit to an ad i was fighting mid crash.

Im done for today, such a mood killer.

[split umbra]

They have only had years to make the game more unstable somehow lol

[lost plover]

What do you mena by artifact tournament? Like another one like the echo?

[fervent flint]

this game cooked. where winds meet is way better than this and arc raiders slop

[wind juniper]

wwm fun af

[mild chasm]

lol anime game

[misty ridge]

🧊

[sleek fern]

Does anyone wanna join me kill bosses in HR ruins ? I can kill banshee if you can kill spectral

[fervent flint]

frrrr

[half ermine]

so is the circle gone from hr?

[hybrid sequoia]

no and unlikely to be gone before S8

[half ermine]

dawg i swear these devs just be sitting at the ironmace office playing clash royale. they legit do nothing i swear

[late flax]

gobling dont exist.... ffs

[visual swallow]

wut lol

[shrewd merlin]

It's actually that they didn't work on the "game", they worked on bug fixes, moving numbers around, on-and-off again map/queue/party systems. Failed experiments like multiclassing, and Faustian bargain (yes Faustian bargain is a fail... It has more roadmap than the actual main game so far with already talk of progression systems for people to only play as a monster, meaning it's just adding another game mode that makes the main game mode worse due to people just looking to grief you on nightmare crossbowmen...)

After 2 years+, we don't have any new interesting systems or things to play for, just vanity content like 2 maps that nobody likes and bosses that don't drop anything good. (except wyvern maybe, which is by far the best money and loot grind boss, but the fight is janky and rng, and the pit is BS).

Adding more places to play tic tac toe, does not improve tic tac toe, it's just playing tic tac toe in a new place...

[dusty summit]

Anyone having issues with freezing or crashing? Never had before today

[half ermine]

yeah devs are legit dumb af its kind of unbelievable how you can have such a gem of a game and have no idea how to grow it

[sleek fern]

Does anyone wanna join me kill bosses in HR ruins ? I can kill banshee if you can kill spectral, you can keep the artifact mid

[shrewd merlin]

That's pre-teaming brooooo

[sleek fern]

@shrewd merlin duos HR

[shrewd merlin]

phew dodged a ban bullet brother

[sleek fern]

i've been queing for duos for 30 min now, no game

[fervent flint]

what server?

[sleek fern]

@fervent flint sea or oce

[late flax]

i just want to plauy goblings HR, it that to much to ask... holy shit

[fervent flint]

helllll noooo

[shrewd merlin]

Kind of crazy to me that faustian bargain system comes out before any sort of character development or progression systems for the main game... Actually lost my last sliver of hope when i saw that... — SDF has absolutely lost the plot

[gritty ermine]

yep same over here ... ruins back to back and they call it variety. can we get the map selection ffs

[half ermine]

bro where is monk? where is a talent tree? where are new weapons for the existing classes? like dawg i dont want to play as a goblin archer i want to play as a human with more options dafuq

[ripe glade]

anybody know where to find crossbows?

[warm fable]

I mean arena tournament but with gear up to artifacts.

[pure vault]

"Adding more places to play tic tac toe, does not improve tic tac toe, it's just playing tic tac toe in a new place" This is an amazing line

[lost plover]

Aaaaaah gotcha. yeah that was fun

[tight sierra]

Same way you find anything else. Kill stuff and loot, open chests a loot, go to marketplace and buy

[celest grove]

Dryad wrath only
My beloved

[haughty bloom]

Whats with the garbage pos players going to cave troll standing at entrance and ruining my rotation while im killing it shooting arrows DOESNT HELP like damn wait till it dies loot inside the door is yours damn its so annoying today

[shrewd merlin]

Honestly, I'm hoping Reave gets it right, they're in early platests at the moment, but the devs seems to understand the game type better, and they already have backpacks XD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYzMy1jdPA

[pure vault]

wait ive never heard of this this video seems interesting so far.

(also I believe these devs are more understanding toward this gaming scene at least compared to IM)

[shrewd merlin]

They seem to be making rapid progress with their dev blogs coming consistently|

even their first drafts seem better than IM's polished versions lol

[fervent flint]

youre already playing on pve bud and still upset

[lost plover]

Slept on artifact I've dropped many barbs on cleric with dryads

[haughty bloom]

Nothing is wrong with pve dude im upset that players purposely ruin the cave troll then get me killed walk in to try and solo it and instantly get one tapped

[fervent flint]

im saying youre already on pve... its as easy as it gets

goto pvp so you can kill them then???? but youre upset over it lol

[stray dome]

game crashed? give me my gear back wtf

[timber orbit]

good day lads

[warm fable]

was?
Was there an Artifact tournament already?

[haughty bloom]

Its easy asf but when someone toys woth my rotation on cave troll and makes him do attacks that are random it gets ya killed

[fervent flint]

goto pvp and kill them then start boss again

[haughty bloom]

Lmao you arnt wrong

[nocturne scarab]

why are supposed spectral farmers crying about the new behavior change - he's still as easy as ever

[fervent flint]

youre on the most popular game mode pve and easiest map. its gonna happen

[haughty bloom]

Yah that is some facts

[torn silo]

this game is fucking unplayable

3 people just teamed in solo and killed me

how is that fair

[spiral quest]

report them

[nocturne scarab]

wtb lemons

[warm fable]

which gamemode
also how did you managed that?

[final swallow]

welcome to a known issue for years

[late flax]

all day ruins... ffs... all I want it gobling.

[torn silo]

it was just original pvp solo

on goblin

[fringe rain]

how does the game feel more buggy then it used to be

i spawned in the ruins and the crows started attacking me even tho i was on ground level

[warm fable]

bring back fog of war
boss rooms are already almost at fixed positions

[fringe rain]

until i died

[rustic stirrup]

Hey chyunk is IM planning anything for sorc, he’s getting harder to play each patch especially with cons on his perks

[shrewd merlin]

they ain't planning anything for anything astronaut, you're gonna get a space map before sorc gets new stuff. 🚀 🌌 👨‍🚀

[rustic stirrup]

I think ive known, i just needed to hear it

[late flax]

i am done... all day ruins... this make no sense

[shrewd merlin]

God speed my friend

[keen briar]

Is my game finally goated?

[bright pasture]

thanks to the quick fill button i sold 25 huntress emblems today for 0 gold. awesome design

[heady grove]

why would you sell ur inventory with coins in there

lowkey on u

[nocturne scarab]

why would they ever be in any other place than the spot they're supposed to be
aka in shared stash or even vaulted on another character
everyone get in here and shit on this guy

[bright pasture]

they were in my stash not inventory, lost all my gems too

[heady grove]

why are you selling ur stash lol

[nocturne scarab]

wait you can do that? i thought it'd be insane to even tempt fate
so i havent bothered to try, i just use my personal inv as the quick fill box

[bright pasture]

i put in one item to sell from the stash and went to hit sel but hit quick fill then sell right after . defff on me but still why even be able to sell those for 0 coins lol whatevv

[nocturne scarab]

im surprised they didnt release a "lock item" feature with this

[sudden hatch]

hi muffet

[heady grove]

hello waffle

[sudden hatch]

thats me!!!

[drifting scaffold]

but the quick fill doesn't sell from ur stash

[dreamy vine]

Increase egg drop rate for PETE'S sake

[brittle oasis]

@hexed adder @proud copper the watermap is such a joke... caster cant do anything. how do u even come up with stuff like that. i mean are you guys completely braindead. its insane.

[supple drift]

Who is Pete?

[nocturne scarab]

my fav part about hr skull key room is the static spawn being epic

[dreamy vine]

He's in our hearts and minds so do it for HIS sake!

[supple drift]

ah. i see.

[dreamy vine]

That's the gamble bebe! ! If it was always viola we'd be in hell

[nocturne scarab]

im js it should be at least green every time

[odd prairie]

does the game's resolution randomly change for anyone else? every time I boot up the game it's on something weird like 1360x768

[nocturne scarab]

Is Discord overlay active? @odd prairie

[odd prairie]

no i have it disabled

[raw spruce]

my buddy sold all of his arena weapons (he plays fighter mastery) putting the fill. button right next to the sell button is terrible design

[raw spruce]

are u starting the game full windowed? i know weird but if i hit f11 to escape full screen my res drops drastically

[nocturne scarab]

seems they were in as much of a hurry to release it as some of us are to sell :p
no i agree tho

[sterile star]

when will the braindead devs play the game and realize wizard and ranger are op asf and nothing counters them other then each other

[sudden hatch]

ct rogue for wiz n pavise fighter for ranger

[blazing surge]

ah yes, pavise fighter best playstyle in the game that has no counters and is undeafatable !

[sudden hatch]

pavise fighter is kinda fun idk

[dreamy vine]

Quick sell takes from your body?

[dreamy vine]

It's actually crazy at gap closing with team

[blazing surge]

in normals

[dreamy vine]

Good coms having wiz or ranger duck behind him is nice 👌

[sterile star]

nobody plays pavise and ct rogue is useless unless u sit in the dark and pray that a wizard runs into you also cant close the gap cuz wizard just throws a single fireball at your feet and ur half hp so they just kill u with sword or missile and thats only getting splashed by 1 fireball no zaps ice bolts or anything else pavise also isnt effective cus u get on the ranger with it then what do u do u start switching weapons and shotgun 1 taps u

[arctic heath]

bro what the fudge do u mean cutthroat is useless

[nocturne scarab]

ct arguably strongest rogue ability lol

[gaunt oracle]

Remove random maps. Give us the 4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[sterile star]

bro unless ur ratting the whole game if a wizard can hit a splash fireball its near impossible to beat them

[arctic heath]

cut throat destroys melee cleric, it destroys adrenaline rush fighter, it destroys boc and spell warlock, it keeps druids from transforming out of panther, the list goes on and on

[sterile star]

im talking abt wiz am i ur 100% correct but its near useless against wiz

[arctic heath]

cut throat destroys a wiz vs rogue

[pallid moon]

You have to close the gap first. Good luck doing that with my superhot fireballs

[arctic heath]

very easily with double jump what are u on

im a rogue main and literally never have trouble with wizards

[pallid moon]

I'm a wizard main literally never had trouble with rogues

[arctic heath]

cause u just hand crossbow and throwing knife them and then dodge spells from afar

[sterile star]

nah bro not when they have insta cast and they can just splash u

so u build skeeter rogue?

[pallid moon]

You just cast a spell and kill them

[arctic heath]

if u are dying to a wiz on rogue then u are going in too early

[pallid moon]

No I go in, on you. I'm the predator. You have cheap rogue tricks

[arctic heath]

no im faster than u

[sterile star]

dudes right they really just cast a spell then kill u

[pallid moon]

You can't be. I always have max Ms with book out because that's the right way to play wiz

[mild vine]

hi guys, im new player, how do i kick the oponents shield in this game?

[arctic heath]

then u are lacking a different stat that can be abused

[pallid moon]

Nothing is more important than Ms, true mag and cast speed. I can't be lacking. That's three stats

[arctic heath]

u are either lacking health, pdr or will

[pallid moon]

None of those matter when you're dead and I'm not scared of being low.

[nimble mulch]

FUCK WATER MAP

[arctic heath]

its not about being scared of being low if u dont have pdr or health u just die in 3 hits

[pallid moon]

I regularly 1v3 full teams with 97 health and 15 percent pdr. You just die in two hits. Sometimes 1.

[arctic heath]

whata re u on about LOL

[pallid moon]

You will die in 1 fireball to the face as rogue. Better have that cutthroat on the quick draw.

[arctic heath]

good luck hitting me in a face

[honest garnet]

Rogues should be able to place hunting traps and also while invisible

[pallid moon]

Good luck dodging my massive balls in your face

[nocturne scarab]

massive for a family of little people? im not sweating

[warm fable]

friendly reminder to kill every rogue you see in the dungeon

[pallid moon]

Go back to pve, im having dad talk. I'm dad.

John dad

[cunning ore]

When does a Rogue lose vs a caster, lol.

[pallid moon]

When caster isnt a timmy

[warm fable]

💯

[arctic heath]

dont tempt me with a good time

[cunning ore]

More like when the Rogue isn't a Timmy, it's like not even a chance in hell a Rogue loses.

Specially Wiz, does zero against Rogue.

[worthy shuttle]

just watched vincent's vid, imagine running fulgor and getting water map 🤣

[pallid moon]

I'm top 50 wiz in arena. Keep telling me more about how you kill every Timmy caster you see, and I keep telling you more about how I hard counter rogues everytime.

[honest garnet]

Rogue has a mastery over traps they should get hunting traps if they take the perk

[nocturne scarab]

whats an dad

[cunning ore]

Who cares your rank in Arena, vs Rogue you stand zero chance, lol, hard time.

[pallid moon]

More like rogues stand zero chance.

[worthy shuttle]

i stacked way too many rogue kits on my sorc

if u know where rogue is u can pretty easily shit on him if ur wiz/sorc from my experience

[cunning ore]

How does a Rogue stand zero chance, lmao.

By the time you even see a Rogue you're dead already.

[pallid moon]

I always know where the rogue is

[cunning ore]

Who cares where he is, you can't do anything to Rogue, lol.

[warm fable]

that's the most important thing

fox skill issue

[cunning ore]

What are you going to cast against Rogue? A slowass fireball that Rogue can dodge by pressind A or D, lol.

[pallid moon]

More like rogue can't do anything to me

[cunning ore]

AHAHAHAH

Bro, meme.

[worthy shuttle]

insta cast explosion followed by zap

[cunning ore]

Explosion of what lol? Rogue just going to go around corners until he's 5m away from you.

[pallid moon]

It's true. When you get good at the game you'll learn that rogues arnt good unless you have team comp to back them or your gear diffing a solo.

[worthy shuttle]

dude u understand ur describing situations to counter situations, we can go on for days

[cunning ore]

By the time the Rogue shows at your face you do zero.

[worthy shuttle]

its like yeah if u play vs a corner as wiz, thats a skill issue on wiz part

[pallid moon]

I'm not standing next to those corners. That would be dumb

[worthy shuttle]

the game doesn't boil down to who presses W and left click, its situational awareness as well

[cunning ore]

You're not standing on the corners, the Rogue will just move to you lol. The game has one thousand objects to block your casts lol.

[worthy shuttle]

its like saying ranger is ass cus if any melee class hits in melee he dies, but that would be ranger's fault for not maintaining distance

[cunning ore]

It's Rogue who dictates the movement, not you, lol.

[pallid moon]

I can't stress enough. Unless I'm being pressured by someone else, I literally always know where you are.

[cunning ore]

You either run from Rogue or he's going to close on you, not the other way around lol.

[worthy shuttle]

sounds like u just died to many rogues as wiz, i'd suggest evaluating why u died and do better next time

[cunning ore]

Yeah and who cares if you know where I am lol.

You either run back or I'll come for you lol

[pallid moon]

You only play rogue huh?

[worthy shuttle]

a good rogue can kill a good wiz but its not like rogue is a "good" matchup unless u landmine

imo as some1 who plays every class p much other than cleric, fighter and druid

[cunning ore]

Its not like a good Rogue can kill a good wizz lol.

Rogue is DESIGNED to kill Wiz, lol, its not even a discussion

[worthy shuttle]

why is he designed to kill wiz? cus he has cutthroat?

what if wiz baits out cutthroat, has 160 hp, and magic missiles rogue to death?

[cunning ore]

Uh, yeah? Lmao.

[worthy shuttle]

then with ur logic, wiz is designed to kill rogue, cus he has light orb

like what?

[cunning ore]

Bait what, lol, by the time you're Cuthroat you're dead, ain't nothing to bait.

[potent jolt]

Mouth breathers

[worthy shuttle]

alright u know best sir

[cunning ore]

Who cares about light orb, by the time you're 5m away from Rogue it's game over.

[pallid moon]

Rogue is not designed to kill wiz. They counter each other. There's a couple types of wiz play styles. I opt for the kind that goes very fast and hunts rogues, archers, and other wizards first.

[cunning ore]

No, Rogue is literally designed to kill Wiz and to die to HP/Plate lol.

[worthy shuttle]

theres no point going back and forth with him, he wont budge from his stance

[pallid moon]

That's cute

[potent jolt]

Games dead who cares nerds

[worthy shuttle]

true tbh

lets give barb another 5 vigor

[potent jolt]

+5 -5 +5 -5 +5 -5 +5 -5 +5 -5 +5 -5 +5 -5

[pallid moon]

Actually true though. I hate the devs. Like I actually hate them.

[worthy shuttle]

to reduce queues we removed high roller

[potent jolt]

Yeah it’s mind blowing how stupid they are

[worthy shuttle]

we know u guys want map selection for hr, so we decided to nerf bard

[cunning ore]

The queues argument is bullshit because if there's map selection all it means is, the shit maps get high queue time, though luck - queue for another map.

[raw spruce]

no in his inventory he kept like 10 spare weapons to switch to

[cunning ore]

Make a Select Map and a Quick Play for faster queue, lel.

[celest grove]

how much is a fulgor compared to BT

[pallid moon]

They made so much money they could've hired someone to do all their jobs and made twice the money over again. People would've made better assets for dad for free but they can't use blender.

[cunning ore]

Just thinking the thousand of hours of engineering that went wasted to a shitty water map.

[celest grove]

ew no

[pallid moon]

**hundreds. They put the least amount of effort into this game as possible

[warm fable]

forbidden word

<@&988703997378584596> !!

[worthy shuttle]

if devs cared about rmt they'd remove it in 10 seconds, it makes them money and players so why remove it

[pallid moon]

Big smoke knows.

[worthy shuttle]

its nice to say "you're against it" for PR but yeah who are you fooling with that

its like sdf saying he empathizes with our opinions on their shit updates very week/2 weeks 🤣

[pallid moon]

The devs hate us for calling them out for their disgusting work ethic/horrible ideas.

[worthy shuttle]

what's worse is the players that defend them as if they're gonna get an emote for it lol

objectively bad updates that tank the playercount over and over again

[whole panther]

pretty sure fulgor is worth 2 db more

[worthy shuttle]

balancing classes based on sdf's latest session

[warm fable]

after season 6.9 updates are 9/10

[atomic schooner]

the devs cant just "remove" it. its always going to be a thing in these types of games. the devs can only put in some things against it.

[worthy shuttle]

it is SUPER esay to implement ways to counter RMT

[cunning ore]

More like 9/11.

[pallid moon]

They can take a lot of steps to remove it. Shows how much you know.

[atomic schooner]

yes and the devs do. but again. its literally impossible to remove without completely cutting out all ways to move gear around

[worthy shuttle]

but it's not profitable for them to do so

[pallid moon]

They don't do anything to counter it. ...tell us about it.

[worthy shuttle]

want me to tell u how to do it without hurting the market and moving gear around?

[cunning ore]

It's literally impossible, until you hire 1 single FTE dedicated to moderating the game and scanning the servers.

[worthy shuttle]

i mean why bother honestly its not like they'll implement any of it anyway

[cunning ore]

How hard is it to employee a person at minimum wage to clean botters, if even the botters are able to employee people to farm.

We could do it in 2002 and we can't in 2025.

[atomic schooner]

that wouldnt work lol

[cunning ore]

That literally works since MMO's exist, its just companies don't give a shit about their own game.

[atomic schooner]

this game isnt an mmo lol

[primal dagger]

[cunning ore]

Doesn't need to be, it takes literal 2 braincells to spec into a match and find a botter.

And then use basic analysis to draw heatmaps and disrupt their operations.

[worthy shuttle]

this game has a 7k player count with like 100-200 people in trade at a time, its super easy to follow basic RMT trading habits, high value items traded for nothing over and over again

game isnt free so its not worth it for RMTers to keep buying accounts, it'll eventually iron it out or minimize it significantly

[pallid moon]

You got the chance to say something credible but ignored it. You said they do take steps to combat it. I asked you to tell us. You can't give an example. You just like to lick boots.

[atomic schooner]

and not everyone doing that type of stuff is a botter. that may be the case in something like runescape and its easy to just ban them. but in this game its not always a bot that is trading items. a bot might be advertising but thats all that they would do

[brisk dome]

have you guys been crashing a lot lately

[worthy shuttle]

the gist is that there IS something they can do, but dont

[worthy shuttle]

i've not been running the game thats the easiest solution

[atomic schooner]

the thing they do is ban the people they catch

[worthy shuttle]

thats making people like you think that they ARE doing something, but banning singular offenders once in a blue moon isnt combatting the situation

[warm fable]

and there are still bot accounts in trading post
its so annoying

[worthy shuttle]

thats all that it is, PR, so that less observant players dont shit on them 24/7 for it

[pallid moon]

There are tons of little things the devs could do to make the game far better but they literally just don't care. For example, pre teaming has been an issue since the beginning. How do you fix pre teaming? Well, instead of prioritizing lobbies based on when you que/your ping you put everyone in 1 minute tumbler so you can que with your buddy every single time without fail.

[cunning ore]

1. Get Trade Logs
2. Buy $10 Gold
3. Check Who Dealt You the Gold
4. Trace Back Transactions 3) from Trade Logs
5. Find the Gold Hoster/Find the IP/Find who Played With/Dealt/Etc.

That's literally 3 hours worth of work. Lel.

[warm fable]

I hope sdf won't do another free legendary status christmas sale for cheaters

[pallid moon]

Another thing. The built in esp that everyone has. There's 10 ways to fix it. They just don't care.

[worthy shuttle]

all of the issues we've been talking about for literally years at this point are so easily solvable

but like Chax said they just dont care, they have a "vision" to go after

[cunning ore]

How hard is it to buy gold yourself as the Tracer and then just trace back the gold to its source, lol. In a f - virtual environment you designed and control.

[pallid moon]

Who here doesn't know about the built in esp? Any long time players still blissfully unaware of that?

[gaunt oracle]

Remove random maps. Give us the 2 maps available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[worthy shuttle]

the way is to let u pick whatever map u want and remove the shit queues they added for no reason

if players gravitate by 80% less to a certain map, maybe the MAP is the problem

so start working on the map instead of forcing shit down players' throats

[cunning ore]

Its not like the RMT'er tells you, you know what, I'm going to leave your gold stashed in a suitcase outside of Palms Beach hotel, be there at 13:45. Wear a blue suit and red tie.

[gaunt oracle]

empty lobbies on unpopular maps, especially on low pop regions is why we cant do that. not without a shitload more players

[wind juniper]

hard thing to prove as fact with a community full of narcissists

[worthy shuttle]

they have the numbers

[atomic schooner]

yes. report them so they can be banned faster

[worthy shuttle]

they know no1's gonna play maelstorm and ice map if u can pick maps as evidently they were least played before the changes

[gaunt oracle]

empty lobbies also make more server cost. we'll never see all 4 maps available at once with the ability to queue into any one any time. never happen

[pallid moon]

You know they could have there own bots that report bots so they could be banned faster. Don't do the devs job for them. They're just lazy

[worthy shuttle]

why grind for artifacts and good sets only to end up in water map? i just watched a guy lose fulgor on maelstorm in vincent's vid for no other reason other than the map that cucked him

[warm fable]

oh. ym where? i should go to game settings to do this i guess?

[wind juniper]

i'm saying those numbers don't exactly mean anything when regardless of the update pushed, good or bad, that same majority of the community is likely going to shit on it anyway

[atomic schooner]

right click on the msg they send and it comes up. should be on the website aswell

[warm fable]

no way. didn't know that(not kidding), thanks

[nocturne scarab]

Most of the people I get banned are in HR, are rocking douyu names, usually full uniques/etc -- and have numerous accounts. Bans mean nothing to them. I've been killed post ban in the same day by the same guy I banned.

The game needs to change in a way that encourages them to have the thought to stop because they can no longer profit off of it. Otherwise you basically have to face roll into them and keep reporting them like a good lil janny.

[worthy shuttle]

this kind of talk is not helpful. yes, this community complains a lot, but maybe it's because there is a lot to be unhappy with?

[gaunt oracle]

water map is fine. being forced to play maps you don't like is the problem. some of us want to play water map and are stuck on ruins most of the day and it sucks

[worthy shuttle]

people are only bringing up issues cus they love the game, and hate to see it wither away to horrible decisions made literally every single patch

[wind juniper]

write whatever narrative you want big dawg, i'm not blaming the community lmao, i'm just telling you that the whiny community isn't ALWAYS right just because they agree

[worthy shuttle]

devs are so distanced from what the community wants and what brought us to love the game in the first place

[pallid moon]

You know why? Because it's to little to late. You don't burn someone and then do the bare minimum after the fact in reparations. You do your best. You go above and beyond. You spread em. ..not this.

[viral creek]

exactly this. i bring up issues because i want them to change

[warm fable]

stop with the hatred
we are getting good stuff every patch

[gaunt oracle]

Remove random maps. Give us 2 maps available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[wind juniper]

nah i agree, sdf and IM deserve all the hate they get, but we're at the point that there's no constructive criticism left, even if they implemented something people would enjoy for the most part, those same people are still going to endlessly tear into the game, it's beyond salvation

[worthy shuttle]

thats not true andrew

[nocturne scarab]

rust revived itself

[wind juniper]

rust didn't have sdf

[worthy shuttle]

i know its hard to grasp the idea of a dev team pushing bad updates after bad updates continuously but its whats happening

[warm fable]

sdf vision

[pallid moon]

They could fix it if they wanted to. They could make us all happy in one week with not that much effort. They just don't want to.

[nocturne scarab]

well i think im healthy and younger than sdf
now we play the waiting game

[worthy shuttle]

the only reason this game isnt dead completely is because people are seriously addicted to the feeling this game provides and that there are no other alternatives

[wind juniper]

the fuck are you saying my guy, i understand you're a hater but you're just speaking out of your ass with no correlation to what i just said

[nocturne scarab]

been waiting for this shit since 2014
just didnt know it was gonna be dad and sdf

[worthy shuttle]

im saying that people arent hating for the sake of hate

minority will sure, but its wrong to say the majority of the community is like that

[nocturne scarab]

also gotta realize when you're talking to obvious trolls
a lot of people have a lot to say about this place
but one thing you can say for sure is that there are a lot of people who come here to say shit they dont feel because they know it gets certain guaranteed reactions from people who are like ben shapiro

[wind juniper]

uhh idk man, what even is a majority of the community anymore? we should probably start there

[pallid moon]

@proud copper fix your game. Stop being lazy. Nobody wants to hate you. You could fix this if you wanted to.

[wind juniper]

but whatever small number it is, i'm sure it's close to the amount of clown emojis on every announcement and sdf kitchen post for the past year, would people like to see a good game again? sure. do they REALLY give a shit? absolutely not

[worthy shuttle]

its just that every new change goes against what to me seems like obviously not what the players who play this game want

it really does seem OBVIOUS that removing gear modifiers is NOT a good thing, why did they do it twice?

why even do it ONCE? like seriously u guys MADE this game and u dont know that it'll kill it?

that's how disconnected this dev team is, so it gives u perspective to all changes that come after it

[warm fable]

no metter how good patch may be there will always be some clowns to spam clown emoji under patch

[pallid moon]

Its true. The gem system also removes most of what made good gear good in the first place. It's nice in a lot of ways, but it completely removes gear scarcity.

[sudden storm]

How much is a golden key and why did mine dissapear?

[warm fable]

100% bug

[worthy shuttle]

i agree but gemming is the least of my concerns regarding game balance

[pallid moon]

Same.

[worthy shuttle]

honestly it all started going downhill after druid

[wind juniper]

zero dolar, use it in raid or lose it