the-tavern

[spice roost]

You right i did say one of the sites before my bad

[azure lark]

dead and deader?

[lost plover]

no worries we're all just here cause we want to see the game get better and have fun

[spice roost]

if anyone spent time in trading chat in game they all knew of it too haha

[stiff zodiac]

They make plenty of money too, I have gotten youtube ads for gold sites lol

[spice roost]

{gold coin purse] * enter advertisement here *

[lost plover]

Have you been playing lately viking?

Continuous just got nerf'd so its a bit more bearable. Just need map selection back and we're in a much better place

[acoustic quail]

Respectfully ask sdf to actually play a high roller game and arena above 10 matches and ask him how the balance feels when attempting to play melee in any trio based setting

[lost plover]

lol i don't have that kind of pull. I'm just a guy. I live in HR so i feel the pain.

I'm a caster cleric

my range is 5 feet

i did just start learning to boss on sorc right before it got nerfd so i'll have to adjust slighlty

[spice roost]

i stopped for arc raiders as mentioned above. I was tired of rogues and sorcerers constantly thats all i ran into. No skill needed for them and the way sdf goes about updating the game is just embarassing. constantly changing the skills of certain classes back and forth like blood exchange got switched around 10 times and now its a whole different ability for example. This was done to a few other abilities also.

[acoustic quail]

Playing barb in arena I can’t hit someone before losing 75% hp from body shots and have to pray for my solo rang player 😭😭

[lost plover]

aaaah i feel that. I get dropped by the ranger, wizard, sorc team before i get a few feet out of spawn

[acoustic quail]

Then yeah in dungeon you have rogues with a dagger doing 200 hp with 4 hits out of invis 😭

[lost plover]

I understand that frustration. Happened a lot to judgement during the playtests

[wind juniper]

arena needs better maps, like actual dedicated maps built for that kinda thing

[lost plover]

And dagger can block now

[stiff zodiac]

The problem is that at this point even if they finally replace map selection and do something about the circle, they already lost all the players that came in for the S7 content that they put so much work into. They would need a new content drop, balance changes, AND map selection to actually pull and hold even another 5k players

[lost plover]

I know what i'm praying for then

[lost plover]

Agreed. Map modules designed for Arena with no mobs

[acoustic quail]

Maps and gameplay loop are ok, a boss circle in hr to prevent damage and allow looting while prevent third partying the boss is the simplest and best solution to funnel more hardcore players and bossers into hr

[spice roost]

Then @full marsh made a video about true damage not needing to be stacked on fighters and melee classes and makes it seem viable to have other builds but he seems to forget he was #1 on leaderboards and plays this professionally. Like brother im sorry but the average dark and darker player isnt pulling off what you pull off 😂

[acoustic quail]

Arena modules are buns this season too for sure

[lost plover]

I'm just scared water modules will get added. It makes me scared to touch arenas

[spice roost]

So having to stack true on every piece being the meta and playing rogue with 9 true damage just two - 3 tapping classes with 55+ pdr was also just too wild for me to keep up with

[lost plover]

I do miss when Demi was a real grind you lose hundreds of AP if you die instantly but I don't want that back till map selection returns

[acoustic quail]

It definitely interesting I’d just like the module with gates and traps removed then mobs too

[stiff zodiac]

Yeah I mean I'm the king of copium in this game but when I see no interest from SDF in a GC level 2 and instead hear about "going to space" idk lol

[spice roost]

Game was really fun before they released druid but once they released druid EVERYTHING else about the game went down hill with it

[wind juniper]

space will save us

[acoustic quail]

Water combat is the medium for testing zero g combat

The vision is clear

[lost plover]

Outside of the rat behavior they're not too much of a problem rn thankfully

[proud temple]

Only time it was a real grind was season 2 for the frost potions. Every other season has been easy af.

[lost plover]

The last playtest was a grind too

[spice roost]

yeah of course, im not saying druid release ruined it im saying around the time they released druid they started screwing other things up

[lost plover]

aaaaaah gotcha

Alright I must return to work. Have a wonderful day! And i wish you all the bis loot no matter what game you're in today

[spice roost]

Once i saw the Sdfs vision stuff i was like yea this game is done for haha

[frozen nest]

how do i join the sdfs kitchen channel?

[lost plover]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713

but you can go up to channel and roles and select it on the list @frozen nest

[frozen nest]

i dont even see a channels and role channel : (

my goat. ty good sir

[lost plover]

dm'd you the instructions too

[ivory rose]

What is the reasoning behind market sales expiring in 7 days?

Its incredibly frustrating.

[scenic dawn]

yeah pretty much the majority of it, even maybe when they released warlock but there has been some good stuff but the last actually good thing they did that didnt get changed around or removed and added back was the squire system, nobody says this was a bad implementation dont hear any complaints about it

[stray wedge]

i cant believe how bad this game is after all these years

[strong sorrel]

this game is garbo

[sudden hatch]

<3 i love three man hr teams

[celest grove]

If no one bought it in 7 days
U overpriced it
So it's taking up space both in market and demand from servers

[drifting scaffold]

[ivory rose]

No, my items sold and I did not collect the money in 7 days so it was "destroyed"

[celest grove]

Again
Taking up space on server and putting demand on 8t

[ivory rose]

Sorry I didn't describe it correctly, I suppose it is the collection

That makes sense, thank you

[zinc plinth]

Alright now that weve got something figured out at least a little bit here, its time to go hard.

GIMME DWARVES GIMME DRAGONBORN GIMME FUCKIN TIEFLINGS

[strange mesa]

Is deal makers quest broken? because I did damage and still no progress on the quest

[kind nova]

Yo where the baddies at

[late flax]

how tf is some one supose to have fun if you roll ruins 25 times in a row. Just let one choose the map.... fgs

[potent jolt]

Still flip floppin hahahahaha sdf give it up games dead

[late flax]

the map rotation system was miles clear. And the continues lobby are shit also

[ancient crow]

is there an artifact war maul and spear or my buddy on acid again?

[loud bluff]

Dear Sorcerer community,

We have recently received a series of nerfs that many of us find difficult to understand.
We are already one of the weakest and least played classes – and the latest nerf felt like a death blow to many.

From numerous messages and conversations with you, I can see that many Sorcerer fans share the same opinion:
We don't need any more nerfs – if anything, we deserve an improvement or at least stability.

That's why I'm reaching out to you today.
We are a small but passionate pro-Sorcerer community – and that's exactly why we need to speak up together if we want to be heard.

Help me make Ironmace aware of how we feel!

👉
Click to learn more

SORCERER DID NOT NEED ANOTHER NERF – ON THE CONTRARY! @Graysun

Please copy this text and post it as well if you share our opinion.
Together, we have a chance to get Ironmace to notice us!

[surreal snow]

Hey do you get to keep all items brought into areana still or did they go back on that again?

[whole panther]

there is it drops from stingray

[ancient crow]

You get to leave with whatevers in your inv even if you die. But if you use pots they are gone

[surreal snow]

Doesn't have to be found by me though? ie I can buy arena kits?

[wind juniper]

it can be bought

[median beacon]

Correct

[warm fable]

@rugged kettle yo inventory guy
how are quivers doing?

[autumn gust]

how do i dodge the Trolls scream ? no matter what i do i ALWAYS get caught, i guess its skill issue but, any tips ?

[warm fable]

don't stand in front of him

[unique sphinx]

i have´been getting time of for a while from DaD, is it any better?

[autumn gust]

i try to press X and run away but there is no way, always get the debuff

[light grail]

think they shouldremove thew watter map from q sht is sucha dog water map that no one likes in hr

[arctic heath]

so um my game crashed mid raid anyone else had that happen this patch?

[warm fable]

watch tutorials

[covert smelt]

yeah i have when going down a few times, once during a raid

[arctic heath]

happened to me mid spectral knight fight lol

[covert smelt]

absolutely, a ton of ways to play, some QoL changes, and the game is pretty well balanced right now compared to the past

[covert smelt]

oof, sorry to hear that. i remember back in the day i'd crash everytime a barb would use savage roar

some old amd graphic driver bug

[sudden hatch]

depends

[arctic heath]

yeahhh, since 3 patches ago my client has been freezing every min with lag spikes and well now it crashed and is still doing that lol

the lag spikes are the same ones people here and on reddit have spoken about with no fix

[visual swallow]

last patch fixed the crashing for me, 0 crashes last night, thank god

[covert smelt]

have you tried reinstalling the game? have heard that can help. also updating graphics drivers?

[arctic heath]

yeah obviously lol

[honest garnet]

I’ve crashed once or twice in 3 years with a small handful of lag spikes

[arctic heath]

its only affecting some intel based pcs it looks like

[covert smelt]

if it was me, id go so far as to wipe my pc and see if that helps but i know thats pretty overkill for a game

[arctic heath]

according to reddit

[covert smelt]

im on amd 9800x3d and its fine so maybe

[arctic heath]

yeah im not doing that considering i was playing fine the same day then the patch happened and yeah it went to shit lol

[covert smelt]

thats fair, doubt there will be another patch for a couple weeks

[arctic heath]

i would have thought they it would be fixed 3 patches later but alas

well yeah its been over a month now lol of this issue

[covert smelt]

might have been coincidence, pc issues are annoying af like that

[arctic heath]

well i highly doubt it when i have seen at least 30 others complain about the same patch and the exact same issue

[covert smelt]

did you delete the meta data in appdata when you uninstalled?

people always have issues tho

[arctic heath]

ye that was something someone on reddit ssaid to try as well

[covert smelt]

fair

[arctic heath]

yes but it happened to all these people on the exac t same patch with the exact same problem

[wise crescent]

i think the devs should watch Todds new video, i think he speaks for us all 😄

[worn chasm]

so when u spawn in water map in s2r and see half the lobby die to themselves, is that the vision orrr

[wind juniper]

space will save us all, i can’t wait to panther chicken jump across planets

[nocturne scarab]

map rotate me into the trashcan

[wind juniper]

give me an ET form sdf ty

[nocturne scarab]

space map gonna show up with spider man rogue probably
7 years from now
will get it before monk and quivers

[wind juniper]

quiver monk in space new build

[fleet bison]

Make sure ur anti virus is off, make sure u have enough space on ur hard drives and it’s not red %, make sure ur hard drive isn’t being constantly written to by something like shadow play or steam recording

[covert smelt]

good point on drive space

[topaz kelp]

anyone knows where u get the human remains from?

[arctic heath]

i dont have an antivirus but windows defender and thats not doing anything, i have over 1tb of space on my ssd still, i dont have shadow play on and im not using steam im using blacksmith

[covert smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sz83CpmDodo

[topaz kelp]

thx

[drifting scaffold]

I see a couple but that’s straight weakness. in squires is when that map gets really fun

[worn chasm]

cope maps horrible

[drifting scaffold]

better than ice and goblin atp

[hexed quarry]

Game -> dark and darker, medieval dungeon
Roadmap -> Space 🤢

[final ember]

so like is teaming in normals and hr a normal thing now or what?

[slow ivy]

I don't know about that, but it's been happening for a long time. PvP breeds a certain...play style. So you either have to go along, or play where it's not a problem.

[strong vine]

Cinder worth

[hallow gust]

REMOVE WATER MAP FROM HR POOL NOBODY WANTS THIS FUCKING MAP, UR KILLING THE GAME AGAIN U REATRDS

[heavy notch]

Simple fix is to do a map rotation

[dreamy vine]

Rogues hate ice and water map and wine whenever they have to play it here ❤️

🍷

🍷

[slow ivy]

That 'fix' was done in the past, it's no bueno. Let's not go backwards ok?

[covert smelt]

my friend bought for 6 full chests recently

[heavy notch]

Better than not choosing and better than just open selection I didn't mind waiting like 3 mins for the map I wanted lmao

[slow ivy]

How could it possibly be better than open selection...which is what we had after the terrible map rotation idea??

[heavy notch]

So you just want a bunch of continuous dungeons with constant people swarming instead of a solid dungeon system

[covert smelt]

i prefer a solid dungeon system while also having a lot of pvp, similar to arc radiers. i never want to feel safe in the dungeon from other players

[slow ivy]

You didn't ask me what I want. I thought we were talking about map rotation. And map rotation sucks, we had it, everyone complained, and it went away. Bringing it back would be the same...a disaster. If it were Kraze World...I'd have no rotation, no continuous, make wait of 60 seconds and the dungeon of your choosing starts.

[dreamy vine]

Hot take : there should be TWO circles

[heavy notch]

The thing is they will not take away continuous bc they gutted their player base so if you leave no rotation people will be filling every possible spot on the popular pvp map all the time so it will just be 3rd and partier

[heavy notch]

Make the circle a insta kill fr

[slow ivy]

Smart idea, but I don't like the circle...reminds me too much of BR game styles and zero dungeon crawler playstyle.

[dreamy vine]

That'd be hilarious for aweek. Especially the first day for people who don't read patch notes

[heavy notch]

Or reverse circle that always starts at mid and pushes you to the edges

[dreamy vine]

Yes anything new. Luckily everyone has already been given creep

[slow ivy]

Ya, that's a huge pvp problem huh. But just because they've gutted their base, doesn't mean we need shit mechanics to make up for it. I'd rather be able to select the dungeon I want, and drop in in under 60 seconds than worry about how many other people will be there to pvp against or ending up with a 'used' dungeon.

[shrewd merlin]

The thing is, the game needs variance. The only RNG in the dungeon is circle and portal spawns which adds at least somewhat of a different experience each time.

They need so much other RNG in the dungeons to replace it. They'd have to do most of these things to fix the PvE experience, but they've wasted so much time, I don't know if they can do it all in time: #the-tavern message

[heavy notch]

Don't say that you'll end up spawning in the fog of wae again

[dreamy vine]

Random generated dungeons would be sick but could they do it without just reusing modules

[heavy notch]

They could split modules up and make it smash together modules somehow then randomize placements and non square map

[shrewd merlin]

Fog of war + procedural generation brings back a sense of dred, discovery, and adventure when done right... I just doubt they can do it right.

[heavy notch]

They absolutely wouldn't which is what makes it scary

[slow ivy]

Good question. I think the ability is available for a completely AI generated dungeon, but I'm not sure how that works with loading the servers or is it more than they could handle? I'm probably not saying that right.

[slow ivy]

I only PvE and I fixed my own pve experience, it works for me anyway. lol

[shrewd merlin]

If it's too much to handle live, they could at the very least, have one team member just generating modules in sandbox, and approving them, patching them into the game every week or something. So 100s of new modules are curated and tweaked each week to keep the experience fresh.

• even if it's wonky, it's still better than the same thing every time IMO. (If it's bad it's funny, just as long as every module isn't bad, you just look forward to the next good one.)

[slow ivy]

That's not a bad idea either. If they had 50 modules for The Crypts, but standard size is 25 modules, they could RNG them and have a pretty fresh dungeon each time. Lose the in game map, lose the BR circle, extend the time...I could get into that. Put a max wait time....make the dungeon size relative to the people waiting even.

[shrewd merlin]

Exactly, by having the maps change to what it needs to be, you can scale it and keep the vibe of the playtests, which was a feeling of nobody knowing the map, and exploring again. Instead of just gunning to hot spots over and over

[slow ivy]

Might solve stream sniping too, although with the player numbers so shit, that might not be a problem anymore. Most of the streamers I watch are on to different games now.

[shrewd merlin]

Yeah, the feeling I got when I stopped playing was that there didn't seem to be a point to continue playing.

1. To keep playing and progressing, you had to go to HR... HR becomes an unplayable mess because the gear and skill gap is pretty overwhelming if you don't play all the time.
2. Doing bosses is essentially a no-go unless you have a great 3-man team, or you are putting a ton of hours into the game. - Too much griefing and ganking during and afterwards.
3. You end up going, do I really want to spend that much time to do all that? What's the payoff? To do it again?

Essentially the main problem is you have nothing intriguing or motivating to be working towards, and HR simply has too much of a jump of difficulty. Even normals see HR players get bored of empty lobbies then start running down people in normals.

[median beacon]

If this game had more players then HR would be a lot better

[kind nova]

Bosses are beyond easy and most are doable in direct pvp ?

[median beacon]

They also need to make it so that most mobs in HR are red until you get to inferno

[celest grove]

I have like
A full time job and hobbies and play when off and it's still very viable to play hr
In fact I only play hr

[median beacon]

Why I am running into a module full of nightmare mobs on ruins blows my mind

[kind nova]

Hr mobs are not the problem it is entirely a playerbase issue at this point if u think otherwise your hands are just too slow so gg

[slow ivy]

That's why I love playing on the Test.

1. I can HR all the time, great practice and the best way to zero to hero imo.

2. No one griefs me...ever, bossing or not.

3. The pay off for me, is zero to hero HR with no deaths. Doesn't happen very often though, that HR is a bitz now days, but it's a worthy goal imo.

4. No waiting. Ever. 6 seconds and I'm loading in. That's how it should be on the Live too.

5. No water map...ok, maybe that's just me, I hate that map.

[median beacon]

HR mobs contribute to the problem a lot

[wind juniper]

i’ve been saying it needs to be like an evolving dungeon experience

[kind nova]

Maybe if ur going in full squire gear cause ur too scared to lose your kit

otherwise they are just as easy as normal mobs are in squire in equivalent purples

[median beacon]

Ur trippin brotha

A nightmare axeman is better than 80% of players in s2r

[kind nova]

literally

just step to the right and swing

[slow ivy]

True that. And I've been cooked by that Nightmare Cockatrice more than I care to admit. lol

[cunning ore]

Nightmare Axeman is literally hit chance 0% if you know how to move.

[median beacon]

With that mindset then you should never ever take any damage from anything

[kind nova]

From mobs? no you shouldnt.

[wind juniper]

lmaooo no fr, i love these alpha mindsets i’m sure these guys take zero damage

[median beacon]

Like I said before you are tripping hard

[slow ivy]

I'll watch you HR , start your stream!!!!

[kind nova]

All of your complaints are entirely decided by your own lack of swing patterns?

[median beacon]

Mobs are most certainly an issue even for the best players

[cunning ore]

You can literally kill nightmare skeleton with your eyes closed.

[wind juniper]

get the stream going

[kind nova]

Will do make sure you sub!!!!

[celest grove]

That repeats the same move set every time?
Just walk backwards

[kind nova]

W Take from Saki Betrayer of Male Genes

[wind juniper]

new layer added, guess you’ve gotta both be blindfolded now

[median beacon]

If you take one step into a nightmare giant spiders ground web you are rooted for like 10 seconds not even joking

[kind nova]

maybe dont step in it!

[cunning ore]

Look down -> Press D while rotating mouse left

There's literally nothing Axeman can do to you.

[wind juniper]

y’all are delusional as fuck it’s hilarious

[celest grove]

U mean the big patch of white silk on the ground that has a big black spider on it?
Pretty easy to avoid

[kind nova]

I mean I play this game a decent amount every day and I dont think ive died to a mob this week

[wind juniper]

this week? you’re so proud of your ability to NEVER get hit that your showing off THIS WEEK?

[celest grove]

I've only died to mobs if I was afk or trapped by pvp and mob got final hit in

[kind nova]

Mobs do NOT change, you just have to learn patterns

[shrewd merlin]

Then the biggest problem is getting new players, and retaining players. Which means you need:

• Progression systems galor. Even if you die you are progressing things.
• Slow PvE progression down so that new players feel like they can keep up a little better. (#the-tavern message)
• Much more gameplay variance. Including random dungeons, events, rare spawns, dungeon affixes (3x ore yields, 2x elite drops, 2x boss drops, high-level lootables yield 3x loot), stuff that changes what you're looking/playing for. — Fixes the map-knowlege gap and spawn run downs a bit.
• Redesign combat and classees to have more options, depth, and combat satisfaction, instead of always speed + throwables meta. Add more equiped abilities, and put more power into abilities and combos.

[kind nova]

I was goofing off with friends and killed myself to a swordsmen ;/

[celest grove]

I was in pve mode to test a blood thirst kit and went afk to make coffee
Ended up dying apparently was afraid I lost the kit

[kind nova]

L take, learn blue money is never a problem

[kind nova]

Game is the same every time dont understand the complaints about PVE ever

[median beacon]

Pretty much yeah

[drifting scaffold]

idk how you can say it’s always speed+throwables meta when we’re in the best melee meta ever known in the game

[wind juniper]

it’s monotonous is the main complaint, but you’re both so proud of yourselves that you can’t read that and think we’re asking for tips on nightmare mobs

[median beacon]

the best melee meta was last wipe when you could roll MS on armor

[kind nova]

He wants an arc raiders time to kill in this game

[celest grove]

Pve is to quest and learn move sets
Norms is to pvp
HR is for looting and bis pvp
And or challenge runs
S2r is pvp without gear usually with bosses sprinkled in

[shrewd merlin]

Every melee just shoots crossbows for days... what you mean

[kind nova]

Correct

[distant ingot]

lies, I wizard to use crossbow

[celest grove]

A game about
Looting, pvping, bossing
Then extracting
Is monotonous
Who would've thought
That's the whole game

[wind juniper]

is nightmare axeman easy to kill? yes. do i have to dodge every .3 seconds because it’s swinging rapid fire? yes. is there another equally annoying mob 5 feet from him? yes.

[slow ivy]

If you can dance through HR like you claim, dam right I'll sub.

[kind nova]

guy before literally complained that they should remove Nightmare mobs from the first two levels because its too hard

[wind juniper]

i’ve never seen such a baseless lukewarm statement made here

[distant ingot]

skill issue

[kind nova]

you have never spent time in this general chat then

[celest grove]

LMFAO
I'm over here soloing warlord naked in hr and this guy complains about a nightmare mob
It's just move sets brother
Learn them that's the idea of a game like that

[wind juniper]

i’ve been here plenty, stupidest player award is just now being handed out tho

[glossy turtle]

Lower mob density would fix that problem imo. I think mob density should scale with the type of queue. Solos should have the least mobs, trios the most, etc.

[median beacon]

They should definitely tone down the amount of nightmare mobs in the first layer of HR not even an argument

[kind nova]

I just spend my day swimming around singing nemo songs

[distant ingot]

im calling bs on that, aint no way your action speed high enough

[kind nova]

Why is mob density an issue to anyone for any reason other than it slows u from running to the main fight zones?

[celest grove]

I just like bossing with pvp
Killed Pete with DO earlier and he was salty

[wind juniper]

i promise you, you don’t do half the shit you claim to do 😭 you’re such a fraud it’s unreal

[celest grove]

Bard :D
I also did find out
Rapier is in fact good for parrying if needed for wl

[kind nova]

yah at night with my trio its the focus fs, I need to start drinking while playing this game

[shrewd merlin]

nightmares should never exist on the first floor. Honestly I think they should just make first floor all whites, 2nd floor all reds, 3rd floor all nightmare... But hey, I guess they dont' have much rng in the game, so they sort of need it to be random.

[celest grove]

Oki dokes
I have clips so sure whatever u say

[wind juniper]

i boss naked! cause it’s fun and i’m such a chad! then when i’m bored of naked bossing i go kill pete!

[median beacon]

First floor should be like 75% red 25% nightmare then 50 50 then 75% nightmare 25% red

[celest grove]

I do bossing
And pvp anyone on the way or in boss
That's like my sweet spot for this game

[kind nova]

lots of people boss naked, the move speed makes most easier BECAUSE THE ATTACK PATTERNS ARE THE SAME

[slow ivy]

@kind nova I can't find your channel. Little help?

[kind nova]

On twitch? its my in game, stream isnt up at the moment, try later when my trio is on pooks

[wind juniper]

brother stfu about the same attack patterns not one person has mentioned killing a nightmare mob to be a difficult experience

[celest grove]

It sounds like people r tho

[kind nova]

are u drunk? guy started this conversation complaining that axemen are harder than pvp?

[celest grove]

Standard druid mains

[drifting scaffold]

for season 6 when we had full juiced rolls maybe. But we still didn’t even have good melee combat

[median beacon]

Ur just twisting the words to make your pov sound better lol

[wind juniper]

if you would stop rage typing to people because you think you’re so much better than them and use critical thinking, you could understand that the entire argument is about toning it down, not to a degree to be easy, or because it’s difficult, because clearing a module of 15 nightmare monsters is a tedious task.

[slow canyon]

@proud copper quit let someone who actually want to fix the game take over

[kind nova]

U should try full Vigor bear, I just ran around roaring in voice chat smacking people

[celest grove]

Y tone it down tho
Hr mobs is not a problem at all as u said

[celest grove]

My druid is literally called druid but not a furry
I will never use shape shift

[wind juniper]

god i can’t even imagine how ugly you must be irl

[kind nova]

woah thats mean

[median beacon]

Yeah I don’t feel like melee combat has changed much and the way it was was bad, but it made it a lot easier for melee players to compete with ranged

[celest grove]

Tell that to 206k who paid to see

[kind nova]

its more fun for roleplay

[nocturne scarab]

dont worry
map rotation gonna make us forget all of this
and then we hop down to the pub for a few pints
and we'll laugh as this all blows over

[celest grove]

That is reasonable compromise
I still distaste animal form just out of spite tbh

[covert smelt]

you could pull them 1 or 2 at a time and not run through them

[kind nova]

I spend half of my time pvping screaming about druid dont worry

[celest grove]

Tbh I hate rangers the most
I want more prominent melee pvp

[wind juniper]

as most people do, yet you still have an aggro range of half a module, and there are still 12 more mobs between you and the next room

[celest grove]

Aggro range is like
5 meters
For most mobs in crypts at least

[kind nova]

I played against a ranger the other day that made me almost delete the game, I had 0 chance to do anything

was horrific

[wind juniper]

i’m done talking to you ugly, come back with some less fabrication

[shrewd merlin]

Most top-end pvp is just thowing an inventory of throwables though, melee only ever happens when one side is out of throwables or thinks they've hit enough to all in.

[kind nova]

if ur insulting looks bud ur probably not happy with your side of the argument

[celest grove]

It's like
Lmfao
R u a paid actor to rage bait

[distant ingot]

nah hes right, aggro range is way gentle, you can take on 1 mob at a time if you arent a dimwit

[covert smelt]

i barely know of a single module with 10 mobs

[celest grove]

Exactly
That's y I'm sad about the pvp melee

[tepid lodge]

when is wipe?

[celest grove]

Like a month?
Prob a bit more

[slow ivy]

NOOOOO!!!! F'kers are updating the Test....

[wind juniper]

genuinely you should each be forced to submit a video of you killing every mob in the game without taking damage, no cuts, cause you’re all such obnoxious liars lmao

every one of them, clear every module

[celest grove]

Ok
I prob have enough clips of me doing that

[kind nova]

want me to also pat my head AND rub my tummy at the same time?

[wind juniper]

you’re already speaking like a circus animal so be my guest

[celest grove]

I have a clip of me no hit running both banshee and spectral in 6 minutes total including clearing modules to get there

[shrewd merlin]

To fix the PvP state, they need to greatly nerf all throwable damage, or make it so you have a maximum of throwables you can bring into the dungeon. Or even making all your throwables me on a cooldown so you can only throw one every 5 seconds, etc.

Then you need to add a much more gap-closing abilities, like grapling hooks, slows, ccs, etc.

Just imagine if LoL or something else had no abilities to lock someone down and catch anything. You'd literally have nothing but poke champions every game.

[celest grove]

Well apart from banshee DMG scream obvi

[nocturne scarab]

I have warts

[median beacon]

I could point to many with 10+ mobs in a module

[slow ivy]

Instead of calling people liars...maybe do like I did and offer to watch that stream. It will either expose them as story tellers OR you might just learn something.

[celest grove]

My hot take is removing true mag and true phys at least from all enchants
I feel like that would balance fix a lot of issues

[celest grove]

There's like
YouTube videos explaining how to do every boss and mob
I remember watching them when I started out to be like
Ohhhh that makes more sense

[wind juniper]

there’s nothing i need to learn though, and it’s not even a difficult thing to do, i genuinely suspect that they could do what i asked, the problem is that it would be a 5 hour task because it’s cancer to kill nightmare mobs in this game, but everyone’s inflated egos are being damaged at the thought of a slightly better time

[celest grove]

Jokes on u I'ma just hellfire every mob and one tap them

[kind nova]

Actually I take it all back, Spider mummys are VERY scary mobs

[celest grove]

They r annoying
I hard target them over players ngl

[slow ivy]

I find them terrifying.....if I'm trying to dodge archers and axemen at the same time. 🙂

[median beacon]

Clearing modules and mobs without a time constraint and no player pressure is no problem

[kind nova]

Spin right swing down

[boreal spoke]

anyone else having their market glitch out between the pages switching super fast and making the annoying clothes/ring moving noise and then when you leave the market it KEEPS playing until u alt f4

[kind nova]

Then do a 360 pirouette and kiss ur momma on the forehead

[celest grove]

Nooooooo?

[kind nova]

Im gonna start running 15 explosive bottles per raid

[celest grove]

I have a cleric kit that's just judgement and an inventory of poison vials

[kind nova]

Ive made it a habit to always have ghostdust but otherwise I feel weird running consumables

[celest grove]

I been meaning DO lock wayyyy too much recently and the nerf after nerf of sorc just made me only really have 2 mains
So I just Hydra every door I go into now

[kind nova]

Buff warlock and ill play it more

I run blues too much and it doesnt feel so nice not geared

[celest grove]

It don't need buffs trust
Killed a blood thirst yesterday with a 2k kit from 1 curse and 2 bolts

[kind nova]

Longsword fighter ALLLL day

[celest grove]

See I love longsword
But I can't enjoy kite and kiter
So I like warlock
Middle ground of range and melee

[kind nova]

cant play anything else after having all the action speed bonuses on my longsword fighter

[slow ivy]

Today is wipe day, time to start over. And now I have to deal with that water map. ugh

[kind nova]

I just run at them and die or live 50/50 chance

[celest grove]

Respectable choice
I will call u a freak if u do that to me tho ngl

[kind nova]

Ive been called worse

Longsword fighter is the best with VOIP on

[celest grove]

I like playing meat canyon in voip
Like whole 14 minute videos

[kind nova]

yah voip is never going back on

[celest grove]

Lmfao
Should've seen what I played in voip at party chip when he chased me

[kind nova]

hey guys, I just killed a mob, took 0 damage

[celest grove]

U gotta be god

[kind nova]

someone finally gets it

[median beacon]

They updated the test server?

Guy kills one mob and therefore mobs are balanced

[kind nova]

actually just killed 7 more, do u bow now or later?

[celest grove]

Tbf
It does depend on ur class
Like ranger is gonna struggle more than warlock

[nocturne scarab]

guys im desperate for attention please validate my existence

[median beacon]

Every single class can kill mobs just fine doesn’t mean mobs are balanced

[surreal snow]

dungeon recovery not even a thing anymore or what? norms?

[kind nova]

what is unbalanced, and about what mobs specifically

[celest grove]

Only in adventure mode nornals

[barren scaffold]

Chat is dead

[kind nova]

omgizzle chat I just killed 2 players in a raid!!!

[surreal snow]

not pvp norms?

[molten orchid]

Game is dead

[celest grove]

No
Nor hr pve mode

[barren scaffold]

I'm dead

[kind nova]

dont die tyler we would miss you

[surreal snow]

That's crazy

[final ember]

anyone know when wipe is?

[distant ingot]

after every poop

[barren scaffold]

Nah

[celest grove]

A months and change going off of previous seasons

[median beacon]

The nightmare spider mummies alone will get you killed if you get hit one time and a player hears it happen

[woven widget]

50%?

[nocturne scarab]

Hot single necromancer in your area

[barren scaffold]

Nope I don't wipe at all that's for the weak

[woven widget]

too much crust and no more poop

[nocturne scarab]

You should honestly just collect it in a jar at this point.

[hollow juniper]

Hey boys what’s the proper channel to have something price checked?

[woven widget]

nowhere. use the marketplace, goodluck

[hollow juniper]

Thanks man

[final swallow]

Collector discord

[woven widget]

John 50g disagrees

[hollow juniper]

Collector discord? Could you shoot me an invite?

[median beacon]

Is the item really really good? If no, marketplace is best option

Aka is it worth more than 50k?

I sent u invite

[hollow juniper]

No it’s less than that but theirs nothing on the market currently that helps me know how much it’s worth.
It’s a 120 luck necklace with
+3 vig
+1 all at
+1.5 action speed

[woven widget]

50g

[hollow juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068515209330831380/1161457828532342824/IMG_0200.gif?ex=65385ee5&is=6525e9e5&hm=794bfdbe30296565ef1ed9e06344631db8ebee0cb94c0996be8041837ac3453a&

[woven widget]

correct

[fallen crypt]

nerf sheilds

[shrewd merlin]

Still rocks me that after more than 2 years, we get a janky unplayable water map, and faustian bargain 😂

[fallen crypt]

too strong! please fix. thanks

[woven widget]

nerf gold purses

[fallen crypt]

oh wow 10 second slow mode on tavern, it really is over

[woven widget]

no more 50gs

[woven widget]

yeah lmao, it makes it even sadder when you see a message from like 15 minutes ago

[limber cairn]

Nerf sorcerer

[fallen crypt]

arc discord tavern chat cooldown is 10 minutes lmao

[woven widget]

and its 10x as active

[fallen crypt]

my fave game is dead 😔

[shrewd merlin]

So they have population issues for the main game, but we want people to mainly play monsters the whole season instead of playing the actual game, so you just made a new game mode on every map, lowering the game population even more, while greifing players more...

SDF vision is making me blind 🌞 👨‍🦯

[woven widget]

guess you gotta become John Arc Raiders

[fallen crypt]

never

[woven widget]

would you do it for a scooby snack

[fallen crypt]

JDAD dies with ironmace

[copper chasm]

He is not a traitor

[woven widget]

I am, Im John 50g and I dont play DaD anymore

[fallen crypt]

arc is fun, it’s like Tarkov for children

[copper chasm]

Who plays this game is only the streamers and content creators

It’s their cow, they will milk until very end

[woven widget]

you cant milk an old cow

[fallen crypt]

i love all the ones that said they were done with ironmace

[wind juniper]

i wish i found arc fun, i’d jump ship on this cesspool so fast

[fallen crypt]

then came back when their channels had no views on other games lmao

[fallen crypt]

it’s fun with buddies but that’s about it

[woven widget]

not a fan of learning new pve monsters?

[fallen crypt]

what learning?

[wind juniper]

damn another ego bandwagoner

[fallen crypt]

shoot robot with gun hide behind wall when they shirk back

[copper chasm]

So theys just rubbin it

[woven widget]

that thing that happens when you wipe your booty cheeks

[wind juniper]

tragic

[woven widget]

no I meant like... thats why I enjoy dark and darker and arc, the pve monsters are super cool

[fallen crypt]

i like the setting and first person of DaD

[wind juniper]

i actually really disliked the arc in that game, but i really dislike mechanized robot futuristic stuff to begin with so that doesn’t help

[copper chasm]

They kinda goated there

[copper chasm]

Me too

Medieval dark fantasy is my thing

[woven widget]

thats fair, I find it fun to fight monsters. kinda why Im interested in most pve games

[wind juniper]

i like that they were maybe more challenging to a degree on the higher end of the mobs, like a little less fair? idk first experience with a rocketeer felt like bullshit but i like that feeling sometimes

[woven widget]

thats the fun, rocketeers arent scary to me anymore now Ive learnt how they act

I used to be scared of almost all the arc but Ive learnt what they do and I know how I should approach and where I need to hide

[fallen crypt]

scary? it’s a drone

[nocturne scarab]

only one thing to do when scared
get naked and go die

[fallen crypt]

just shoot it and get cover and then shoot it and they all die

[wind juniper]

yeah i was gonna say i’m sure they’ve got a solution, but with the game being bullets and explosions ig things are a little less telegraphed? which i think feels better. that’s one think i dislike about this game i hate when things are just solvable and there’s never variation to that you just have the answer forever, no random chance.

[median beacon]

Dark would be so much better if making money was as easy as it is in arc

[thin pulsar]

these devs really need to read the room LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wind juniper]

i guess that’s skill expression to some? but i don’t think so honestly

[thick owl]

Does anyone else have the problem of 5 second delay in game, then there is no delay for a few seconds, then it goes back to a 5 second delay? This started happening a few days ago, and it's never happened before.

[woven widget]

I cant read

[median beacon]

Also imagine if crafting an item cost less than buying the same item with good rolls

[thin pulsar]

NEXON GIVE US P3 PLEASSSEEEEEE

[woven widget]

Imagine if they committed to just making good gear accessible and removed the market
make the damn merchants sell all qualities of gear always, let me slot anything I want on it at the goldsmith for gems
Keep legendries and uniques only findable in the dungeon

[median beacon]

[nocturne scarab]

hi guys
map rotations is here to stay
sorry but we dont want hr to be a ghost town even though it still is
and we're sorry that map rotation didn't fix the problem we installed it for
but we're gonna leave it in anyways
now, to distract you from how much im not doing to encourage people to play hr...
more balance patches

[median beacon]

Axe specialization damage +3

[copper chasm]

Sorcerer casting speed is reduced from 0.00001% to 0.0000005%

[nocturne scarab]

another success of the map rotation system, you're welcome

[shrewd merlin]

Actually though, they might be working on it again in secret due to the popularity potential that DaD showed...

[wind juniper]

game sucks, let’s all just move on

[heady grove]

still too op so were giving rouge a hide buff

[wind juniper]

well then i guess barb needs another buff

[heady grove]

i still love this game i just wish they would pump out some good content

[thin pulsar]

devs suck, it WAS a great game one can only hope that they actually are working on p3 in silence

[copper chasm]

Patch 666:
-all classes can use hide as shadows from the corners of the room can conceal a player

[nocturne scarab]

cant
been waiting for a game like this since 2014
i am contractually bound to stay

[copper chasm]

A good content would be removing pve mode

[signal echo]

4 water maps back to back

[nocturne scarab]

another success of the map rotation system, you're welcome

[wind juniper]

damn shikamaru invades dark

[copper chasm]

Bro the Water map is huge, they should make it smaller, put more ropes for people to get mobility from an island to another

[woven widget]

no, you will play the new map you dislike and you will hate it

[copper chasm]

I really hate the modules are so huge, there is no player and to find some is ass

[copper chasm]

Actually i like the vibe… but the mobility in this is terrible

The trailer didn’t hinted us that it would be this way

[signal echo]

I can't believe devs could not foresee the whole playerbase beeing landlubbers.

[copper chasm]

I thought the map would be always the dark, always on tempest

[nocturne scarab]

maelstrom isnt hard to get around, just hop on any of the underwater freeways, hit up spiral island, etc etc

[copper chasm]

I love land, i have talassophobia

[half ermine]

JUST WIPE GAME

[copper chasm]

I hate getting wet

[nocturne scarab]

i have epilepsy, my brain damage makes me forget to breathe irl when underwater in gamesometimes
your discomfort is somewhat amusing :p

[heady grove]

space map will save the game

[copper chasm]

Lol seriously??

[copper chasm]

GIVE ME A AIRMAP

[nocturne scarab]

yea ill be swimming along and completely passive, not in combat and catch myself getting short of breath because im underwater and i end up pointing a fan at my face like a baby to trick my brain into breathing

i also do a lot of intentional lack of breathing while fighting so its probably easy for my brain to turn it off*

[half ermine]

ARE YOU A REAL PERSON

[limber cairn]

space map will save the game

[dreamy gust]

Did sdf step down yet?

[half ermine]

NOT YET HOLD THE LINE

[nocturne scarab]

Nay

[bitter garnet]

i just thought of something, can you pickpocket someone extra gear in arena?

like how does that work? if i pickpocket something and win do i keep it? and what happens if i lose? do they get it back? or did ironmace think about it and you can actually use pickpocket in arena? just a random thought i had

[wind juniper]

i believe it's disabled for arena

[bitter garnet]

disabled as in it wont let you queue up if you have the perk on? or the perk jsut straight up doesnt work

[wind juniper]

good question, i'd hope the former but who knows with these guys

[heady grove]

i might be wrong but i think you cant que with it

[midnight ivy]

do you lose items that arent founded in arena now?

[bitter garnet]

i dont have a lvl20 rogue to even try it but i find it funny if it works XD

[heady grove]

you dont lose anything

[midnight ivy]

bettt ty ty

[bitter garnet]

lmao wait im reading all kinds of reddit posts saying you can steal peoples gear with pickpocket no shot its an actual thing. im guessing they eventually patched that out?

[heady grove]

yeah it used to be available at like the introduction of arena

[bitter garnet]

yeah i searched the patchnotes and found it 1 year ago in the notes by searching for "pickpocket" lol

[heady grove]

it was really funny but at the same time annoying because they would pickpocket the arrows or bolts and you would be left with nothing

[bitter garnet]

lmao yeah i was about to level a rogue to just fuck around in arena XD

[nocturne bridge]

hi, where can i find all item list?

[simple aspen]

it was hilarious when rogues could pickpocket in the pregame lobby

[slate hawk]

Pickpocketing BiS in Arena when players had two sets of gear depending on their opponents
Or windlasses (when you didn't need to reload when equipping then)

[cloud flower]

Has there ever been a chance for an artifact out of golden key room?

[rich walrus]

lol YES this use to be a thing back when arena launched

[nocturne scarab]

dont think so
same for ORK

[cloud flower]

ive got a delusional friend thinking there was lol

[keen briar]

is my game finally goated?

[high ginkgo]

yo whats happening with the servers? why am i rubberbanding like crazy?

[drifting scaffold]

skull key room maybe he’s mixing it up

[dreamy flume]

if anyone wants to farm ice hell pile in luck gear lmk. @ me, im going to cook and return

[queen arrow]

what is better for longsword figher. counter attackor shield mastery

[signal echo]

pretty sure the ms from counter attack makes it better

[honest garnet]

This was peak tavern time

[honest garnet]

Action speed if your high damage,MS if your slow

[queen arrow]

i got 320 ms, 30% phys power, 25 action speed

[honest garnet]

Do the shield master then

Your repost will be fast af

[visual swallow]

I miss the pre game lobbies

[next cypress]

real

[cloud helm]

I notice hardly any players in lobby's cuss of it lol

[latent iron]

Been barely a day no longer see sorcs in game sorc gear now 200 coins or less for bis what has this
World come to

[final swallow]

good

[latent iron]

Ranger is my new main now because it's easier 🥀😔

And I don't think it's ever seen a legitimate nerf besides back steps going back to one

[final swallow]

having to carry half ur inv full of arrows is already a nerf and ranger is only good as the player, you whiff you die

[latent iron]

If you can't land a borderline hitscan projectile stop playing the game and 2 why would you loot if the lobby is still alive kill everyone then loot

Or at minimum take rings and necklace not even a nerf

[final swallow]

I miss when the game was hard, -250 ap going in trying to get demigod when people actually wanted to fight and not run instantly to hell cause open red constantly

[latent iron]

"iNvEnToRy SpAcE this guy says"

[latent iron]

Tbh kill them faster ?

2 longbow clips body shots should be 100% death for anyone when you have decent purples on

[gusty smelt]

lmfao

[latent iron]

That's if you miss a bit

[final swallow]

idk if you can read or not but reds open instantly and nobody fights

[latent iron]

So you can't kill people when they are running from you even more embarrassing

[final swallow]

killing people isnt the problem, they made pvp not worth shit when you can instantly go boss and run

[latent iron]

Why are you not ratting the boss like sdf intended then

[final swallow]

the only good pvp is 3v3

[latent iron]

I don't think you see the vision

[final swallow]

buddy i dont think sdf sees his own visions

4k player count and he wants to make a space map lol

[latent iron]

All I'm gonna say is if you can play a shooter game and not go negative you can easily demolish the majority of people in this game as ranger and if our Lord and Savior wants to take us to the moon where I can get free kills as ranger so be it low gravity go brrrr

[final swallow]

he will find a way to fuck that up too ig

other than the terrible player count and insane amount of teamers in solos, the game is great

[latent iron]

This game is far from great even with what's listed there is low-key no hope this is why I play other things now

[final swallow]

its pretty good when it wants to be

[latent iron]

The entire game just legit needs to be redone in my opinion there is very little actual 3v3 balance and the metas are egregious but never changing in reality it just sucks with no real balance being found they added sorc when there was still issues with the other classes they added water map and all this but no monk because they wanted to make Faustian I can't with the game anymore it makes no sense like every change is random damn near except the issues sdf encounters when he plays the game everything else won't matter unless it affects him and his gameplay or some streamer he likes

[kind nova]

It’s shocking to me how much time people like you spend shit talking about hating the game while wasting your day in its discord server

[ember thunder]

what content do you watch during work downtime?

[latent iron]

Was I talking to you constructive criticism is something that's bound to happen when you make a game or any type of product / art

[kind nova]

I just eat and get more fat and stinky

[ember thunder]

erbody got vices

[kind nova]

“Constructive criticism” (game is poop, game is hopeless, I won’t play”

[kind nova]

Nah I’m just lazy and fat and stinky

[latent iron]

I just listed things they did that did not make sense ?

[kind nova]

“There is no hope I won’t play”

[ember thunder]

stuff yourself with marshmallow and you can be juicy and hot and sweet like a rice krispies treat

[latent iron]

Are you ok 🥺

[kind nova]

That’s a brilliant idea I should try it

Maybe tonight with some peppermint cocoa

[hybrid sequoia]

meta chasers being meta chasers, overreacting people overreacting

[final swallow]

You have to remember they don't care about what we want, the game used to have like 50k players and they changed shit just cause they could or wanted for what sdf wanted for his game

[kind nova]

What is it that WE want?

[mystic spindle]

I think the game is doing just fine, I actually think the people that stream the game and “grind” for specific items to make content with it are the main problem

I love Dark and Darker!

[kind nova]

And what decisions would you make different to theirs to make it happen

[hybrid sequoia]

game had 50k players becauase it was new niche, not because it was great, you nostalgia drunk

[latent iron]

This just opened my eyes again this game is not something we have power over it's some dudes named sdf I will accept this and go about my day knowing I did all I can

[gusty smelt]

toxic community is the problem

[latent iron]

But sdf wants a community like rusts

[kind nova]

W Tony based

[mystic spindle]

It’s supposed to be a dungeon crawler first, you’re not supposed to be able to target farm something

[final swallow]

I played when the game had 50k players and it had some major issues and instead of trying to fix the game when it had the most potential to be so much better, they added a ice map and nuked the player count and instead of learning from that mistake they just kept changing and adding more random shit that slowly kept killing the game and now we are here with 4k player count

[kind nova]

“Wahhhh I have to kill mobs to get loot”

[hybrid sequoia]

pre or post server shutdown and complete rework?

[latent iron]

Focus on balance for every class in a 1v1 perspective so there are counters but not to the point they can't play the game if the counter appears is maybe a good start

[kind nova]

I’ve played the game since its first release( it was new so it had lots of players. Ice map came after MASSIVE changes that did well for the playable it y of the game

[kind nova]

There is 0 unplayable matchup.

[latent iron]

Sure

[final swallow]

the ice map was so fucking bad and was the most hated map

[kind nova]

If you think otherwise try buying new hands

[final swallow]

it had so many bugs when it came out and they didn't test it

[kind nova]

What is so bad about it

[latent iron]

Rogue double jump Meta abuse

[gusty smelt]

you acting like this is a million dollar company

[kind nova]

Thank you for saying nothing useful again pig

[mystic spindle]

In every single fantasy game (in example RuneScape) every class has a counter. It’s your choice to fight that.

The same people that want every class to be exactly the same to fight each other are the same people who want men in women’s sports.

[hybrid sequoia]

melee cleric can't win against competent rangfed class, rangers are completely untouchable, this isn't the sole one sided matchup that relies on opponent being much worse than you to beat

[final swallow]

They play tested the game before releasing it, its not hard to play test a map.

[kind nova]

fair enough, the slowest class in the game is bad against a non hit scan range class with 100 HP

Just play corners and use consumables

[latent iron]

You got too much dip on ya chip my boi

[kind nova]

You have said nothing that doesn’t confirm my opinion of you just being bad

[final swallow]

in the end it all doesn't matter, they nuked the player count and all they can do is keep doing it until the game dies

[gusty smelt]

sheeet where's your game then mate?

[hybrid sequoia]

that's the point, you can't win unless you bait, aka rely on them making a mistake, I just don't fight them if I can help it

[mystic spindle]

L take

[kind nova]

They didn’t nuke the player counts other games released and the players fluctuate same as every other loot extraction

[latent iron]

I don't care what you think why TF do I need your approval to have a opinion in the tavern

[kind nova]

Sounds like you know how to play the game, a matchup isn’t unplayable if u can escape

[kind nova]

You don’t I was just expressing concern that u waste ur day in a server for a game y hate

[mystic spindle]

Tellem

[kind nova]

I love the game, meta changes could happen a little more often in better cases and I don’t love the random map choice but otherwise woot woot

[final swallow]

less than 5k player count, its not a take its a fact lol

[latent iron]

Why is me being here a issue for you

[kind nova]

Ur filling my screen with ur crap

[final swallow]

if the game was doing good, we wouldn't have such a shit player count

[latent iron]

Then stop looking it's the Internet

[hybrid sequoia]

seeing your hardcounter class and going other way is not the same as not having one sided matchups you know, its just common sense to not take a fight you know you can't win

[kind nova]

Does tarkov player base drop sunny? Later into wipe?

[nocturne scarab]

love how populated arenas is rn
get a match with afker on enemy team
wait four-five minutes before next match to avoid this guy in q hopefully because griefing other players who are playing sucks
queue up
five minutes later
same guy again on enemy team
zzz

[final swallow]

tarkov is a terrible game to compare with, you can cheat in that game for years and never get banned lmfao

[latent iron]

Kinda the only fun game mode 2 and it sucks that's how it is

[kind nova]

It is a loot extraction game, player base dwindles over time in every game like this over the wipe

[mystic spindle]

Damn bro at least they’re trying things. If you have such an opinion why don’t you make your own game?

[summer grail]

whats the cyclops club used for ?

[kind nova]

I’m confused what you are disagreeing with me on

[nocturne scarab]

my complaint is that the queue is so long people are walking away or are intentionally doing this to derank
should just get rid of rank since its just a goofy ahhh number and let everyone play together so we can get more crying content in here

[mystic spindle]

Did you report him?

[latent iron]

That's kinda a sdf thing because you can't q with friends over the rank gap

If they are trying to derank

[nocturne scarab]

nah, if it happens again i'll probably do it
dont want to just throw a guy under a bus for something i cant prove anyways

[latent iron]

You are a good person 🔥♥️

[hybrid sequoia]

"There is 0 unplayable matchup."
There very much are one sided matchups, you can't mitigate them without relying on opponent making a grave mistake

landmine rogue is another example of one sided matchup you can't do much about, 2 sec silence is plenty of time to kill every single caster who didn't waited 20 seconds before walking through door

[mystic spindle]

Lmao, nothing but hypocrisy in this chat

[latent iron]

Bro what

[nocturne scarab]

strange turn but alright

[mystic spindle]

“I’m mad he’s afk why have rank system”

“ nah I won’t report him bc he might be chill”

[kind nova]

There are 0 unplayable class va class matchup. At least as intended with balanced. Had to rephrase

[nocturne scarab]

That's not what was said at all.

[latent iron]

I'ma assume he's not even able to report him anymore and he was just telling us about what he experienced

[mystic spindle]

That’s quite literally what you said

[kind nova]

Tony, did you eat your wheaties today? You are being a bit too based

[nocturne scarab]

No, it's not.
You're also cherry picking to suit your point. So you're being intellectually dishonest while gas lighting me.

[latent iron]

Talking in here makes me understand the massive amount of red names in game in arenas

[kind nova]

It doesn’t mean the same thing but I find it intellectually dishonest to spelled dishonest wrong

[graceful shard]

We need more luck potions for all rarities. Also put them into the loot-table.

[latent iron]

Some of y'all just be mad n shi at the world

[nocturne scarab]

Pretty sure he's just rage baiting and its nbd.

[latent iron]

This is true as well I guess

[mystic spindle]

But aren’t you the one complaining in a discord server about a game you continue to play?

[final swallow]

tony is a d1 rage baiter dont let her get to you

[latent iron]

Mad and upset are different friend

[kind nova]

The raggy guy does as well, I was wondering why I had someone in here blocked

[nocturne scarab]

Wood 5 but aight

[kind nova]

All these two do is whine about a game they hate in the server for the game they hate

[mystic spindle]

I never said mad or upset.. reading is not that hard pal

[nocturne scarab]

Really? Because you can go through my chat history and see I've said the game is in a good spot and we're probably going to get better soon now that the "A* debt is out of the way.

[kind nova]

Any specific marshmallow size?

[mystic spindle]

Common W Raggy

[latent iron]

You misunderstand a lot of why people come here and complain it's because they enjoy the game it's concept and what it stands for but changes or issues make them not enjoy said game as much as they did before it's not "I hate this game this is stupid waaa waaa" it's why did he change things that did not need changing or why was that a priority when you could have worked on idk changing up perks for some classes

[kind nova]

“This game is hopeless and I don’t play”

[nocturne scarab]

watch him reply with tl;dr

[mystic spindle]

😂😂😂

[final swallow]

but hey cant wait for that space map!

[latent iron]

Fair enough

[mystic spindle]

Bro just don’t play the game

[nocturne scarab]

spiderman rogue when?

[mystic spindle]

You have free will

[final swallow]

Nah man, I wanna be a flying barb

[mystic spindle]

You wouldn’t be flying you would be floating 🤦‍♂️

[final swallow]

cant wait to see a zero grav druid flying across the map 😭

[nocturne scarab]

give barb an artifact that pushes him back when he swings so i can make a dex build for it and fly on maelstrom

[mystic spindle]

Druid will be getting alien shapeshift with space map

That gets them a laser gun that one shots

[nocturne scarab]

only if it looks like the classic alien laser gun
cod zombies/mars invaders/etc

[final swallow]

I better see a little druid ufo

[nocturne scarab]

telekenetic rats

[mystic spindle]

Barbarians will be receiving a jetpack

[nocturne scarab]

powered by *love

[mystic spindle]

No

[final swallow]

rangers backstep gonna go hard, Imma backstep 20 feet

[mystic spindle]

Yes

[hybrid sequoia]

speaking of laser gun, ray of light spell for cleric when?

[nocturne scarab]

that'd be neat
then i could roleplay with rod of darkness
and we could cross streams
streams?
beams?
🤔

[mystic spindle]

Clerics should be able to have infinite bandages

[nocturne scarab]

that's more troll than rogues using pickpocket in s2r trios

[latent iron]

Clerics should do Dmg through walls like bard but bigger aoe

[nocturne scarab]

purify should work on players using skeleton skins

[mystic spindle]

Clerics should have a holy aura that heals for 1 tick per 5 secs while in vicinity of them

[nocturne scarab]

that'll be on paladin later on down the road

[autumn fiber]

played 3 solos and its all squire in hr W dead game

[mystic spindle]

Why does a sorc need to have merg spell as a perk isn’t the premise of sorc that he CAN merge spells. It should be a passive! 💭

Sdf I’m cooking

[nocturne scarab]

idk, i come from a long line of melee users
nobody in my bloodline was a spell caster

[mystic spindle]

Tony’s kitchen

[latent iron]

Demon DMG bonus works on demon locks

[vast wing]

All classes should have a passive. Barb should have crush, fighter should have weapon mastery, sorc merge etc

[nocturne scarab]

all for these types of changes

[latent iron]

You are a genius

I have been saying this for many moons

[mystic spindle]

I was thinking this too, it might actually fix the balance between classes. But fighters shouldn’t naturally have weapon mastery.

Think about the lore of a fighter. They hone their skills to fight it one specific style. Weapon mastery should still be a perk.

Fighter should naturally have high projectile resistance. Like I’m talking natural 35% or higher

[tender ledge]

This has been suggested many times, yes. More perks would be amazing

[latent iron]

We should have 6 perks

[mystic spindle]

I don’t think so tbh

It would make it too complicated

[nocturne scarab]

@mystic spindleguess who just got locked up loading into arenas
now i need to be reported
never happens to me in vanilla

[vast wing]

In my view weapon mastery fits thematically, as fighter is basically jack of all trades master of none in essence. Its also way more interesting than just making him have a billion projectile resistance. I dont think immune to arrows when i think about fighter

[hexed quarry]

QUIVERS ❌
SPACE MAP ✅

[nocturne scarab]

~~QUIVERS ~~ Class Tree ❌
SPACE MAP ✅

[mystic spindle]

I can see your view but weapons mastery is too good to be a passive

[vast wing]

Im actually so sad that it never was actually “coming soon” and we just got multiclass which was kinda cool but needed heavy balancing that we never got because they decided scrapping the entire system was better

[mystic spindle]

The projectile resistance helps close gaps against ranged opponents

[vast wing]

I mean every class would be drastically buffed, its hard to say it wouldnt be balanced

[hexed quarry]

QUIVERS Class Tree LITERALLY ONE NEW WIZARD SPELL ❌
SPACE MAP ✅

[vast wing]

Fighter has multiple movement options and frannies, dont really need to much to close gap on fighter honestly

[nocturne scarab]

I'd have a real opinion on it but after watching every QNA while pestering them live/etc whenever I can about this specific subject -- it just gets swept under a rug. So all I can do is be hyperbolic and cliche.

[tender ledge]

multiclass was wild, fun in a way but just no class identity

[vast wing]

It shoulda been like subclasses only to keep identity imo

[mystic spindle]

You get headshotted once by ranger you almost always have to reset

[nocturne scarab]

Windlass Headshot from ranger should = death

[vast wing]

I hate to sound so 5head but dont get hit

Like you can hide your head entirely when approaching

[mystic spindle]

But that’s what I’m getting at, they spam you with arrows I know nobody on this planet can dodge every single arrow. The point of their class is to spam arrows at you. Are you supposed to keep resetting after they hit you too much? I’m also only talking fighter here not every class

[nocturne scarab]

Depends on the situation but usually the tank dances with the ranger a lot while the other teammates pick apart the others and when that works out (hopefully), you trade places while healing

[vast wing]

If its longbow play around the slower shooting speed, if its surv try to win the range war by landing some good cross shots, they probably are on push back when surv anyway

[mystic spindle]

Like we’re talking balance here not skill gaps. Can I dodge them yes. But a fighter is a fighter not supposed to be movement tech and range fight as a fighter

[nocturne scarab]

Especially if you have squishies (sorc/wiz) on your team - they start crying if pdr fighter isn't w keying the ranger or able to hit his ranged shots on him
but this is a very loose conversation that hasn't been defined so
arenas? trios? who's on who's team? etc etc

[vast wing]

I mean you could just be ignorant and W key them with taunt/second wind and lazily shield blocking with the perk that gives u more defense when blocking, if you dont build insanely slow and dont fail every shot block you can probably get in there

[nocturne scarab]

would be neat if pavise worked on the back...

[mystic spindle]

I understand but again as a balance pov we’re not talking skill gaps

[vast wing]

I dont know what to tell you, do you genuinely just not want the class named “ranger” to be strong with ranged?

[mystic spindle]

What if I’m running slayer fighter?

[nocturne scarab]

lol

[mystic spindle]

Omg you’re completely missing the point. NO I want the fighter class to be a fighter!!!

[vast wing]

But he is tho lol his entire kit is brawly/sustain/defensive

[mystic spindle]

9/10 you lose to range brother

[unique oxide]

🇸
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🇫
🇦
🇷
🇹
🇪
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[nocturne scarab]

this is a math game
the classes are often unimportant as they are just a platform that helps you achieve lopsided math easier

[mystic spindle]

It’s also a good way to shadow nerf damage of arrows on a fighter without ruining ranger

[distant ingot]

everything in life is math...

[nocturne scarab]

tell that to the guys living under the bridge near my freeway exit

[trail nimbus]

Longsword Rogue When?

[nocturne scarab]

war maul*

[distant ingot]

shortbow rogue when... we got wizards using crossbows/throwingknives, sorcs using longswords, warlocks using longswords, a bard using a shortbow,

[past mango]

Honestly just follow arc raiders lead for HR. Don't make it 3 minute rotations for HR maps. Make it so only 1 or 2 map is playable each hour. That way people can make a kit around said map, and the player base wont be ruined.

[trail nimbus]

Or a hand crossbow perk that makes reloading 25% faster

[distant ingot]

litterally anything to makes rogues range not complete ass would be nice, only playable play style right now is a double jumping pansy or a shadow land mine

[nocturne scarab]

blah blah i only have one hour to play a day blah blah crying some more blah blah i have a life and job blah blah

(not my feelings just others i can imagine :p)

[gaunt oracle]

4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 rotates in/out every 5 min. ez solve

[distant ingot]

☝️

[valid topaz]

@proud copper good job lady gaga we want real choices

[nocturne scarab]

pepsi or cola

[flint ravine]

game is dead sub 5k players sdf u fumbled a million dollar idea

[queen arrow]

HOW does rupture work with ambush? does it give 50% to rupture or only to the melee hit

[distant ingot]

fanta

[past mango]

And see, if the game had a big enough community that's a fair complaint. But it doesnt so sacrifices have to be made.

5 minute ques dont work as they've said. People just wait. An hour long que people would likely still play the other maps, and then get a solid hour of grinding in on their preferred map.

[valid topaz]

coke because it keeps you up at night

[nocturne scarab]

seen kyle?

[past mango]

Game is always this low pop this late into the wipe

Especially with gamea like arc raiders ans tarkov out rn

[flint ravine]

not seeing 10k players next wipe

gg dark cooked ur dev is lost

[unique pawn]

you are not seeing 10k players never again ahahahahaha

[distant ingot]

guys one of those people that show up late after everyones done everything trying to pvp in his grey squire kit

[past mango]

They will especially of circle gets removed

[gaunt oracle]

some people wait. some people don't. better than everyone being forced onto maps they don't like most of the time. whether permanently (how it is now) or for an hour. still feels the same unless you're nolifing the game

[valid topaz]

no this game is dead because its ass and sdf wants it to made for himself why do you think druid gets cracked every wipe

[past mango]

Druid was a non issue this wipe what are you talking about

Only time I got rolled by a druid was by one in a 100k kit.

[stray token]

where do mermaids spawn on the water map i can only find mermaid corpses

[valid topaz]

alright i can kill anyone one the new map in squire with a druid even if they are in bis with artifacts but to each their own mental

[nocturne scarab]

along the north ridge of the map towards blade hand in those goofy little holes
also some in trenches nearby

[stray token]

thanks

[past mango]

This is my thought process too. Random is horrible. But if they give it an hour rotatin, everyone gets to play their map for a period of time.

[gaunt oracle]

2 spawn north of mid, by the sunken ship with captains key door... 1 spawns north of bottom right, near the tiny island with skel corpses and a boat

[valid topaz]

many areas, south east and south west of center around the ship by the west entrance of manta west of that is the sunken ship ect

[past mango]

Even then its super situational lol. How many artifacts you get off of players this wipe in base kit druid?

[valid topaz]

only 7 guess thats not much

[nocturne scarab]

i saw a wizard solo stingray in squire gear the other day
im certain theres a cheese spot

*dude was level 10 which made it worse and had some 1337 name

[gaunt oracle]

to anyone that has less than 1 hour (up to 3 if you only make 1 map available at a time) this is a worse solution than current, because then there is ZERO chance they get their preferred map

[nocturne scarab]

how about we just get rid of norms
🙂

[valid topaz]

i genuinly think random hr pve mode is dumb asf and the reality is hr isnt random its 90% ruins que

[past mango]

Then they have to play norms for their hour that day. The games community is too small to cater to 1 hour a day players in the hardcore mode.

Or, hey have to learn another map to play when theirs is off cycle

[gaunt oracle]

the game's community is too small, but we're ostracizing players that don't enjoy EVERY aspect of the game. do you see a problem with this?

[past mango]

I did, I love ice caves more then any other maps. But I learned 3 bosses on crypts. And the cyclops on gobbo

[valid topaz]

maybe it should actually be random

[gaunt oracle]

at this rate, ain't gon be no community.

[valid topaz]

this is the next dungeonborne 100%

[past mango]

No, because most people thet only have an hour play s2r or norms or pve anyways.

[queen arrow]

HOW does rupture work with ambush? does it give 50% to rupture or only to the melee hit

[gaunt oracle]

pve has a HR mode also, which is what we're discussing

[past mango]

Most people playing HR are either there to farm points or have multiple hours a day

[valid topaz]

thats incorrect only due to non selected hr maps

[timid hollow]

When is next wipe btw? I saw people talking about it earlier. Just curious.

[valid topaz]

no date but in 4-6 weeks

[past mango]

Oh pve shouldn't take any priority in ques. Who cares if those lobbies are dead lol

[timid hollow]

Oh damn quite soon, nice nice.

[valid topaz]

exacly so let 1 person start in hr pve on any map that want what que time should their be and let it be optional to learn bosses for new players not my problem but many have it or will

[nocturne scarab]

I think one of the core issues that underlies most of your guys' points is this:

• Most people have F tier income loops for their time investment
  And:
• There isn't enough loot or systems to sustain them without ruining the game

[gaunt oracle]

Im seeing alot of "the game should work the way I want" while also saying not to cater to minority opinions within the community. brother, you're not trying to make the game better. you're trying to make it yours

[past mango]

Yah tbh there's no reason pve couldn't be a solo thing besides server costs.

[valid topaz]

also if maps are random they should be random i have 500/760 hr runs as ruins thats an issue and not very random feeling

[past mango]

Except for the fact that a large majority of this community hate random dungeons and its one of the biggest issues of this wipe.

And there are only so many solutions to this with the player base this game has

[valid topaz]

at night time for me i get ruins upwards of 20 ques in a row and die on purpose to try and change maps and its still and issue

[paper python]

wat if people not being able to choose their map is leading to them quitting and making the "dead" lobbies more common

[past mango]

Giving plauers a choice between 2 maps is better then no choice at all

[nocturne scarab]

A "tomorrow problem for tomorrow sdf"

[valid topaz]

i honestly think you should be able to uncheck 1-2 maps for hr as like nope i dont want that 1 or 2 it would be beneficial for sure

[past mango]

If I could always run ice caves or crypts I would. Id add gobbo if I reallt had to, but preferably as a low prio

[valid topaz]

honestly ruins on hr alone has me ready to quit. not because i dont like the game but it feels to repetitive

[past mango]

Fair. It is statistically more likely to appear. I think it was like 50/25/25

[vapid island]

It doesn't matter what map selection/rotation they put in, people will complain. If you think random dungeon is the big issue of this wipe, you live in a bubble. There are people who hate it, people who love it. If they took it away, you'd see a whole new group of loud people in discord complaining about it

[past mango]

Now I have no idea what it is with maelstrom

[valid topaz]

if it felt random it wouldnt be an issue for me but its not even that its like 1 map with the chance of others

[past mango]

There's only so much of this community left lol, a lot of them talk in this discord. Yes I do think the random map selection was one of the biggest issues of this wipe for a lot of the community.

For norms and s2r only players, Im not too sure what it would be. But for people who like to experience the whole game, and farm bosses, it is a massive issue

[vapid island]

No, the majority of the players do not talk in this discord. There's prob 20k+ monthly players, yet you see the same small group of names in discord and on reddit every day

[vast wing]

Class is broken ur trippin

[gaunt oracle]

random map selection is the root cause of many other complaints than just "i hate random maps". every time someone complains about a specific map, they're dogging on randoms.

[soft raptor]

20k players lmao. Not even close

[paper python]

theres a ton of issues that ironmace needs to fix, map is definitely one of them, game is bleeding players cuz new games like arc, i mainly play arena breakout infinite now since it released on steam and their QOL is huge

[past mango]

? This game def has over 20k active monthly players. Probably closer to 50k unique monthly players

[valid topaz]

bossing on hr is the only thing that gives me a rush pvp is borning most people dont risk shit and when they do they run. bosses give you the thrill of grinding out the artifacts but how can you farm the one for your favorite class if you cant even pick the map it drops on

[paper python]

last i seen was like 3k in dungeon/3k in lobby and thats like last week

[past mango]

QoL in this gsme is lacking horribly too. The fact that there is no quick sort or search system this long into development is atrocious.

[vapid island]

Im on the side of wanting to add random dungeon to normals as well. I think random dungeon should be in every queue, and just take water map out of selection process

[gaunt oracle]

even complaints about continuous dungeon backfill are sometimes complaints about random dungeons because people load into maps they hate, die/leave and go next... making you load in behind them

[past mango]

Oh so you dont believe in random maps lmao. What a hypocrite

[vast wing]

I think part of why people dont run gear is so they can just die when they dont like the map they loaded into lol

[valid topaz]

i like being able to die to a player and load back into same lobby and kill them in squire though its fun

[vapid island]

I dont think you read that correctly, i want random dungeon selection added to every queue, not just HR

[solemn coral]

wew i try warlord for the first time and the guards just instakill me via headshot lmao

[past mango]

Except for the water map you said. So it wouldnt be random lmao

[valid topaz]

no game in history has been successful on that idea

[gaunt oracle]

that happens. cleric with holy purification puts those on ez mode. or phantomize lock with hellfire/flamewalk

[solemn coral]

i was trying it as a bard since i saw one kill him in under 20s

• thought it'd be easier to parry with rapier

[vapid island]

If the only possible way they would do it is to add water map in there, i'd be for it. but water map was made for the gold farmers, not for the players

[past mango]

Best class to learn any undead boss is warlock. They have the 40% undead damage reduction perk and 20% magic reduction perk.

[vast wing]

Honestly they could just scrap continuous dungeon and the que problem is solved, let people pick map, but dont start map until x number of players

[solemn coral]

yeah but its warlord? he seems too oppressive to be a caster

[vapid island]

log in to sea/korea/japan and go to water map, it's full lobby every game of coordinated farmers

[past mango]

Glad you arent on the dev team. You have less sense then patch 69 sdf

[gaunt oracle]

continuous dungeon started mostly because of empty inferno dungeons. its not going anywhere

[valid topaz]

i guess thats to promote sales in real life gross

[vast wing]

Inferno is empty because theres nothing making you load in with other players. Again, dont start round until x number of players

[past mango]

Honestly id be down for a matchmaking time for map selections too. Just after so many minutes of wait time, reduce the number of players needed to start a raid.

[vapid island]

You either haven't played the game long enough, or if you have aren't capable of thought. They've done every single map rotation/selection type possible at this point, no matter what there is a group in discord/reddit complaining about it. You think YOU have al lthe right answers, but trust me, no matter how YOU think the game should be, there will be a group of people who complain about it

[vast wing]

That could potentially work but the timer would need to be extremely long

[past mango]

Im sure I've played this gsme for longer and more then you lol. No they haven't. Thats literally why he said they are gonna try something new. I never said I had all the right answers, I have suggestions, as even sdf said random maps isn't working.

[gaunt oracle]

so I've cleared ruins, gone down. Now I wait X time til crypts starts and again when inferno starts. How long does it wait to start if it can't fill a lobby? If I'm an OCE player, I'm waiting that full duration 100% of the time. My inferno run used to be 35-40min total. How long is it now?

[vast wing]

So what ur saying is ur gonna cry either way, got it

[nocturne scarab]

WTS Tail Bone Cheese

[vapid island]

Ive played since it was available to play. before seasons. If you've played a long time, then like i said you just aren't capable of thought. What map selection/rotation type have they not tried at this point? They've tried it all

[past mango]

Nah what he's saying is valid. People will be unhappy if the wait is extraordinarily long

[gaunt oracle]

im explaining the problem that continuous dungeon solved that you dismissed out of hand. if you can't understand abstract concepts, just say so

[zenith flare]

What’s up chat!

[vapid island]

Another one of your issues is that you think your region is the only region, that your experience and queue times on your region is the experience of all. There are a lot of regions. Continuous dungeon and random map selection solved a lot of problems in many regions

[past mango]

Something similar to what arc raiders has currently. Where there are 1 or 2 maps for the hard mode available with it switching every hour. As someone else suggested an actual matchmaking where you wait until lobbies have a certain number of players.

They've done very short map rotations, but people just waited, they have never tried a longer map rotation

[vapid island]

SDF and the dev team play in korea. All regions outside of US west and East would have 15-20+ minute queue times with your idea. Great one bud

and bro they used to have maps on a 45 minute rotation, 30 minute rotation, 20 minute rotation etc. there were large groups of people who constantly complained about it

[past mango]

Man you are illiterate. That wasnt my idea, and if you read that conversation which just happened, you'd see that I suggested that after so long the max number of players needed to start is reduced. Which could be a changeable variable based on what region you are in. There are much better solutions then what we have now.

[nocturne scarab]

if 15-20 minute hr queues show up, itll be even more apparent than it already is how much people really prefer normals over HR
at least for us-w and e, where most of its players are showing up shit face drunk or stoned

[past mango]

So say when the 1st person starts queuing for a map, it starts either when 10 players total que, or after 3 minutes of waiting its after at least 8 playeds total que, then 5 minutes it could be 6. Until the match starts with a small amount

[vapid island]

and like i said before, no matter what suggestion you bring up, there will be people who complain about it

IM problem has always been listening to the permanantly on discord/reddit players suggestions

[past mango]

This has not been their problem lol. They've had many other problems that are just being rectified in recent history

Why are you even in here talking if you hare all the people that actually discuss the game?

Like you holier then thou freaks are so annoying

[latent iron]

Why we never see pregnant goblin

[nocturne scarab]

Repeating this meta dialogue doesn't actually enrich anyone's mind. Two sides of the same coin really.

[gaunt oracle]

4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. Its the best way

[vapid island]

What's annoying is all the people who think THEY have the best solution for the game, when like i said, no matter what solution you give, people will complain about it.

[nocturne scarab]

repeats it again
gonna put out a coin jar

[vapid island]

you need to accept the fact that your idea of the game isn't everyones idea of the game

[latent iron]

Tbh I did not mind map rotation random map is dog water I love playing sorc and losing my kit to every ranger that exists on water map

[past mango]

Its suggestions that people can rally behind if enough people support it. Its almost like that's how a lot of live service games update their stuff, especially ones with already small communities.

[gaunt oracle]

yep. thats true about anything, anytime, anywhere... thats why is a not even a point. the idea is removing friction for maximum player enjoyment. you can please some people all of the time. all people some of the time... never all people all the time

[vapid island]

yeah, and IM shouldn't listen to a single person in here

[latent iron]

😭😭😭 but why doe

[vapid island]

do their own thing, like it or not.

[past mango]

They did that multiple times and it resulted in the lowest player count wipes they had

[gaunt oracle]

when your players tell you a solution to a problem, you're right... you probably shouldn't take that solution at face value. but when 1000 players offer you 1000 solutions to 1 problem, you should accept that you have a problem.

[vapid island]

the delusion is crazy, get out of the lobby and go in the game. stop typing

[past mango]

Because IM are inexperienced and relatively not the best game devs. But they are getting better

[latent iron]

They still do do that hence the lack of people playing regardless of the time of wipe

[nocturne scarab]

• did their own thing
• blamed us for it
• u irl

[past mango]

Im at work lmao. How about you look in a mirror and follow your own advice

[latent iron]

Me with his girls feet pics laughing all giggly n shi

[past mango]

This wipe consistently held 10 - 14k concurrent players. It was a healthy wipe.

[vapid island]

what you mean, im in the game right now lol

[latent iron]

Legit only cuz of new content

[past mango]

Im just blocking you lol. Absolute momo

[latent iron]

Aka water map and Faustian caught peoples attention

[latent iron]

Bring back gem slot all attributes 🫦

[errant isle]

3 times now theres been a mob directly on the other side of the door. Why sdf?

[past mango]

True, but they also finally arent going back and forth on balance changes, had a team dedicated to it. And are actually moving in decent direction developer wise. Sdf is finally becoming the lead dev he needed to be a year ago

[vast wing]

The game isnt big enough to have no sort of drawback in ques. This is the problem. You people acknowledge there isnt a fix to the problem outside of growing exponentially overnight, yet complain about every single thing tried and that theoretically could be tried

[latent iron]

They are balancing the wrong things in my opinion they need to reevaluate every classes perks in squire gear before making changes

[shrewd merlin]

Even with the content drop each wipe saw peak players drop at least 5k:
57K —> 32k —> 27k —> 22k —> 17k (content drop) —> [Next wipe?]

[latent iron]

Get this man a true

[past mango]

They are doing that next wipe. They literally said they are postponing a new class to rebalance and add more builds to current classes. Which is a good decision

[gaunt oracle]

the game isn't big enough because we keep trying to pidgeonhole players into doing shit they don't like. and I never said the only solution to anything was "we need more players". we need to make the game FUN for more players and then more players will come. the HR queues for this game currently aren't fun for many people because they're stuck playing maps they don't like too often

[latent iron]

Lord so help me if iron will does not get a 15 second cooldown I will lose faith

[past mango]

This is a niche game. It was never going to be an infinitely growing or permanently sustainable game sadly. Its a very niche genre in an already niche setting

[latent iron]

Sdf:Get more emotes for Redstone shards

[shrewd merlin]

Clearly there was a huge audience for it. We saw ~100-200k at it's peak in playtest 3. It's just they failed to deliver a lasting experience.

[past mango]

Because it was new and something playeds never had before. But it was never going to last and anyone thinking itd have over 20k concurrent players in 2 years was on copium.

We have a healthy but stagnant player base for this game.

[gaunt oracle]

4 maps, 2 available at a given time. 1 map rotates in/out every 5 min. Max wait time for those with a strong map preference is only 10min. Yes, players will wait... thats the whole point. Letting people run the map they want. But some players won't wait, and those players will help bolster player numbers on unpopular maps. This is the way

[past mango]

Not every pvp game is going to have 200k concurrent. Let alone 30. There are sooooo many games I can think of that would love to have this games player count

Hell look at wildgate. Their free weekend and they are peaking at 750 concurrent. And they had a pretty big playtest. And its only 750 because of the free weekend. It normally is around 50

[shrewd merlin]

It's not stagnant though, it's dropping steadily, with no sign of slowing

[zenith flare]

The goat

[latent iron]

I think in order to make this game more fun they should gigga boost the loot in all game modes hr you only get purple and up loot norms you get max legendary but the lowest item color drop is blue adventure mode u are more likely to get green and grey stuff wipes be every 2 months and arenas gives you a title if you win 40 games in a row and a gold coin chest each time at the end of the 2 month wipe there is arena tournament shortening the wipes and improving the loot gathering potential would make this more fun if there is a goal like oh I want to find loot to get a kit and then pvp in arena and earn a title and bags and stuff

And like the end of the wipe tournament be like a recorded thing put in a montage

That would be fun

Artifacts and all allowed for end of wipe arena

[past mango]

Brother, dungeon crawler and first person melee combat games are niche. Objectively when compared to a genre like an fps. Add in hardcore extraction element to it, and metas developing, the game was bound to lose players as people got too good and just skill diffed others with not enough time. This game is not casual friendly at all. Nor is it beginner friendly.

Somehow arc raiders has been very beginner friendly because of the community, active devs, and infinite but decent free kits.

[latent iron]

Tournament

[zenith flare]

Good morrow, brother! ’Tis a boon to behold thee once more. I trust thy raids have been prosperous and thy blade ever keen. As for the Friendly Fighter, may his steps be light, his shield steadfast, and his courage ever unbroken.

[shrewd merlin]

It's really none of that, it's just there's nothing to do in the game after a week or two. There's nothing to work towards. Arena helped to have some sort of endgame to work towards, but there's literally zero progression systems in and out of game.

[past mango]

The game was free, the concept was fresh, everyone was new and the game had a good community. Literally none of that is true anymore

[copper chasm]

We lost

[latent iron]

Get this man a true

[past mango]

This is so untrue and is only true for the jobless people that put 20 hours a day playing in the first 2 weeks.

[latent iron]

I think in order to make this game more fun they should gigga boost the loot in all game modes hr you only get purple and up loot norms you get max legendary but the lowest item color drop is blue adventure mode u are more likely to get green and grey stuff wipes be every 2 months and arenas gives you a title if you win 40 games in a row and a gold coin chest each time at the end of the 2 month wipe there is arena tournament shortening the wipes and improving the loot gathering potential would make this more fun if there is a goal like oh I want to find loot to get a kit and then pvp in arena and earn a title and bags and stuff

[past mango]

This game has a bunch of content and a lot of stuff to work towards.

[shrewd merlin]

Why do you think people stop playing then?

Because there's a lot of people who "love the game" who have stopped playing from all levels of play...

[latent iron]

1 it gets boring 2 there's no people and three the balance is not the best / Meta abuse

[royal moon]

Guys someone know how many for an item with :

blue stats

3 Strength
3 Agility
3 Vigor

[copper chasm]

The 1 answers the 2 and the 3 answers the other 2 points

[latent iron]

If it's for a wizard really good

[past mango]

I literally just explained why. People metad the fun out of the game. This game doesnt have a community where you can bullshit with people in raid anymore. Its just sweats running the most viable builds killing on site or ratting.

Look at arc raiders, where they have one of the most talkative communities ive ever seen out of this genre

[copper chasm]

So removing somehow meta will fix the game?

[summer lion]

ya because arc has acutall content to work towards we have half baked quests and thats it

[past mango]

No metas are always a part of the game. Its mostly that the community is so unfriendly and sterile lol

[latent iron]

I'm not gunna lie there are freaks that have maps and items put together in spread sheets to hoard to insta complete quests after market opens damn near

[past mango]

Arc quests are literally worse tho

[copper chasm]

So the answer is removing player base?

Education is not part of the job that IM do, nor their responsibility

[summer lion]

imo not. and they have mor then quests they have workbenches, expediton actuall level progessiuon, dark has none of it

[shrewd merlin]

Then it's just not a well designed game then objectively. You don't see LoL getting "meta'd" out of fun. If players become less cooperative, it's because the game itself skrewed up it's incentives system.. You can't just blame the community and players constantly

[past mango]

Its kinda an unsolvsble issue at this point. Without a major relaunch this game is basically fatally injured. We can slow the death, but its dying.

[latent iron]

What he means to say is that majority of everyone that plays this is toxic AF since it's a game where you basically rob everyone

[solemn coral]

some of these quests are so dumb, this is my 3rd kill spider pots quest -.-

[copper chasm]

But they can only relaunch after early access

[latent iron]

But like you can't fix that really

[past mango]

People became less friendly when they changed their organic teaming mindset and starting banning people that met up and teamed in raid.

Which was a mistake

Like yah it was annoying to get teamed on, but if its 2 Randoms that met up and are having a grand old time in void. Thats what gaming about lol

[latent iron]

Me on west in solo hr trying to boss when 7 people pull up on me with names like Xing110000 or hweihwei897

[past mango]

Tbf they could end "EA" at any time

[summer lion]

this is such cope, the game is dying because the devs have no idea what direction to take it

[shrewd merlin]

So you think stopping teaming is what is killing the game? I don't know if many would agree with that. I believe it's due to the PvE becoming stale, with nothing worth entering the dungeon for over time. Here's my fixes to PvE to make the game playable again for everyone: #the-tavern message

[latent iron]

I think in order to make this game more fun they should gigga boost the loot in all game modes hr you only get purple and up loot norms you get max legendary but the lowest item color drop is blue adventure mode u are more likely to get green and grey stuff wipes be every 2 months and arenas gives you a title if you win 40 games in a row and a gold coin chest each time at the end of the 2 month wipe there is arena tournament shortening the wipes and improving the loot gathering potential would make this more fun if there is a goal like oh I want to find loot to get a kit and then pvp in arena and earn a title and bags and stuff

[nocturne scarab]

Would definitely agree that the incentives in this game have a strong effect on the current state of things -- the whole carrot/cosmetics on a stick because of ap grinding + quests doesn't encourage repeat play and instead just makes this game about fomo

[copper chasm]

How to know if its randoms?

[latent iron]

If they did better loot shorter wipes and community arena tournaments with artifacts at the end of wipe this game would be better

[past mango]

Pve in this game is 1000% stale. And I do think killing the community in game hurt it, but its just 1 of the many thorns

[copper chasm]

Yeah, totally agree

[heady grove]

i wish they would nerf bows somehow in arena lol its all you see

[drifting scaffold]

hey Terence when are we getting that progression system

[shrewd merlin]

It's such a inconsistent thing to bet on though... That gamers will be friendly to eachother to preserve some idealistic game experience... You have to almost force it as a dev if you want that. Like adding things that you need to find and work with other teams to achieve for both of you to make out with more loot. Otherwise there's zero incentive and it eventually always devolves just like Arcc will

[latent iron]

Like imagine the aura from keeping the rank 1 arena team for 6 wipes straight and it's recorded at the end of each wipe so people can see it on YouTube that would be fun

We need tournaments n shi

And shorter wipes and better loot

[past mango]

Idk if arc will. They seem to have a very caring and competent dev team, and if they see their community start tearing each other apart, they will very likely add incentives to work together

[copper chasm]

Shorter wipes and better loot will focus only on the pvp experience

[drifting scaffold]

maybe someday Arena will lose the [Experimental] tag .......

[drifting scaffold]

but we have designated pve modes now 🤔 is that such a bad thing

[latent iron]

Exactly that's why we are all here to fight and kill people in a pvpve hopefully

[past mango]

On top of this, content creators are doing a great job at bonding the community together too. More then ive ever seen here or in twrkov

[shrewd merlin]

It happens with every game when you run out of things to do... You just run people down with your maxed out gear because it's the only fun thing to do left.

That's what happened with DaD

[copper chasm]

Pvpve, said correctly, but an entire mode of one kills the other

[latent iron]

XD and maybe someday we can have custom games where we can 1v1 our friends in a arena map 😭😭

[drifting scaffold]

🤨

[copper chasm]

That would be cool

[latent iron]

I think in order to make this game more fun they should gigga boost the loot in all game modes hr you only get purple and up loot norms you get max legendary but the lowest item color drop is blue adventure mode u are more likely to get green and grey stuff wipes be every 2 months and arenas gives you a title if you win 40 games in a row and a gold coin chest each time at the end of the 2 month wipe there is arena tournament shortening the wipes and improving the loot gathering potential would make this more fun if there is a goal like oh I want to find loot to get a kit and then pvp in arena and earn a title and bags and stuff

[drifting scaffold]

maybe someday gathering hall will have duels

[past mango]

They are about to launch their first optional wipe which will help with people that sweated super hard and habe conpleteted almost everything. So they'll be back to the beginning and be talking with players again before they lap them

[latent iron]

God that would be fire

[past mango]

?

[latent iron]

Excuse me optional 🫵🏿😂

Thats a thing 😂😂😂

[past mango]

Yes arc raiders wipes are optional.

[drifting scaffold]

this is what they delayed it for

[latent iron]

😈

[latent iron]

Low-key that explains why it's better I guess

[past mango]

You get permanently rewarded for it ( we don't know what yet) but they are optional an allow people who went super quickly through the process wipe now, without forcing everyone to that speed

[latent iron]

People like to have a choice in decisions

You should low-key gift me arc raiders 👀 and we could play together .........

[past mango]

Like I said, embark is seeming more competentt then IM or BSG and might genuinely take and hold the lead as an example of how to make an extraction game

[drifting scaffold]

I don’t think that’s right for “extraction” game but that’s good for them to make it different

[latent iron]

Embark I can't even lie is just better at games

[drifting scaffold]

if wiping is optional what the fuck is progression

[past mango]

Genuinely if I haven't gifted it to 3 friends already I would. But im moving soon and need to save money

[barren sparrow]

yo does anyone have extra gear they dont want i would love some stuf im just sitting in trade clear blue

[latent iron]

Even the finals is a insanely good game I was addicted to for a while

[latent iron]

I respect it ♥️

Also good luck on the move

[past mango]

Trials, which is like this games ranked system with rewards based off of what rank you end at. Blueprints to make the gear you want, and workbench that need upgraded.

[latent iron]

I think in order to make this game more fun they should gigga boost the loot in all game modes hr you only get purple and up loot norms you get max legendary but the lowest item color drop is blue adventure mode u are more likely to get green and grey stuff wipes be every 2 months and arenas gives you a title if you win 40 games in a row and a gold coin chest each time at the end of the 2 month wipe there is arena tournament shortening the wipes and improving the loot gathering potential would make this more fun if there is a goal like oh I want to find loot to get a kit and then pvp in arena and earn a title and bags and stuff I genuinely believe this is the way

[past mango]

There is a ton of progression to be made for all players

[latent iron]

Like a solo duo and trios tournament at the end of every wipe would be the perfect way to get players back

[past mango]

Thank you appreciate it. Its across the country so its a big one

Yah i never thought id miss the tavern but I def do. All they needed to do was make it so we couldn't inspect the gear

[latent iron]

Niceeee sounds like fun I recommend 5 hour energy slushies from gas stations I did the same and I did that and every 8 hours after the caffeine went through me I'd take like a bang or a different type of energy drink to spice up the experience basically I just was hopped up on caffeine when I went to new York from La in car

[gaunt oracle]

R.I.P. Big Man's little shop. The nerf that proved Ironmace hated fun

[latent iron]

Rip the idea of having a guild and doing 9v9 pvp or 15 by 15 pvp

[past mango]

I dont think most of the people who were in here all the time realized how important casual gamers are, as well as social connections. Its literally the only reason that I could see arc raiders having over 100k concurrent players for a long tim. The community there is genuinely more impressive then any other game like this I've played

And more importantly, embark (the devs behind arc) seem to know how important that community is too

[latent iron]

Nice people that actually use mics and interact that's a massive part of these games talking basically me saying what you said again social interactions make the game

[outer aurora]

lock in

[latent iron]

Being nice or evil betraying someone it makes a game fun when you actually can talk

[past mango]

You should get arc raiders. Its so refreshing and the most actual fun game ive played in a while. Im actually laughing an having fun while playing solo

[latent iron]

I'ma get it on Monday when I get paid I've put it off for a while now since I like where the winds meet even though all my friends are playing arc raiders

[past mango]

Like yah pre teaming was an issue. But them making it bannable across the board didnt fix it at all and just hurt the gsme

[latent iron]

It made them be more sneaky about it

[past mango]

Ans I mean teaming, not just pre teaming

Pre teaming should be bannable. And it wouldnt be the hardest thing to prove

[latent iron]

I thought it was funny when you could press y to be a team in solos

That was cool

[past mango]

They should habe kept that

[latent iron]

I was 100% a fan but the people scared to use VoIP or crouch crouch and use the emotes they spent 60 dollars on to make friends ruined it

Waaa waaa organic teaming in solos is unfair the dungeon is not supposed to be sun shines and rainbows

[past mango]

I think that using social abilities is super important in extraction games and is a skill just like aiming and awareness.

[latent iron]

I think as a precaution tho people that are friends in game should not be able to party up in solos to prevent the pre teaming issue that occurred

Besides that it was fine

[copper chasm]

I’ll only say this: everybody “knows” how to fix the game, but i think it’ll get the same rage IM gets with their decisions

[latent iron]

10000% cuz if I can convince 6 people to be my friend I earned that shi

[past mango]

The easy solution to pre teaming is to give each account a track able id, and if they see the same 2 ids looting and pvping and pveing together over a period of time in solos, warn and then ban then

[copper chasm]

How? Somehow blocking their IP to not enter on the same lobby?