game-discussion

[wet kindle]

not too that degree but they do want to reduce the dependency on gear and put more focus on skills, spacing & positioning. theyre removing true damage, add move speed, max HP and all attributes from gear and updating the standard attributes with the goal of reducing gear disparity and dependency

[spare birch]

I see the vision, however now mobs will be mega annoying to kill without the stats we had?

especially in HR oh lord fuck that haha

[wet kindle]

terence did mention slowly updating the mob density

[pearl thunder]

gotcha, and did they say fighter and barb overhauls are ready to go on wipe day? or is it WIP?

[warm kraken]

QNA TLDR: SDF coded the quiver in 2 hours solo, but they couldn't figure out how to put it in the game for the last 3 years W W W W

[wet kindle]

im not sure

[spare birch]

Hope so, bcuz HR will literally be unplayable even if were at half the stats we could previously acquire

[wet kindle]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejR3aHoyZTczdjhleHJhdDNzaDZ5eXM1bTE2bTF6bHgwcjhod2k2NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/PRRVSsYsDI8WhD3d45/giphy.gif

[silent notch]

I was assuming they meant increasing monster density in duo/trio queues to slow teams movement through the dungeons down

[warm kraken]

did they mention monk at all or nah i missed it

[wet kindle]

the question came alongside reference with how cumbersome clearing HR inferno can be

[spare birch]

Monk is a nope for a bit

[coarse portal]

They have done this like 4 times now lol. They never learn and this is why so many people quit before and wont come back. Nothing but flip flop ideas over and over. It would be alright if it wasnt something they tried before. But no they keep going back and forth

[pallid hemlock]

0 new wizard spells is absurdity

[wet kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116596264629436476/1451408611191558214/petpet.gif

[delicate ether]

Give us a spell idea

[spare birch]

wizard is so cooked bro, same builds for a year now

[pallid hemlock]

magic unlock

[delicate ether]

Wait that is actually good

[pallid hemlock]

ya but for some reason they gave it to bard. and the spell version of invis pot. both on bard 🤷‍♂️

[sonic maple]

Making the rounds?

[delicate ether]

Well after the arena and how you lose all your items they don't surprise me anymore

[coarse portal]

He knows its true lol. They literally took all that stuff away like what 2 seasons ago. Lost 80% of the player base. Got some of it back because they changed it back and gave us a map. Now they wanna do it again.

[wet kindle]

you can have one too

[waxen totem]

can yall get paul and sdf yelling at each other on video. ed norton yelling at brad pitt.

[delicate ether]

What did they take

[cosmic spruce]

Is there any summary on what SDF, the despicable has said during the live Q&A?

[stone oak]

probably already come up in here, but taking true damage away kills multiple classes immediately and makes PDR insanely op

[stone oak]

they also want to remove skill expression from the game though

[coarse portal]

They know this lol. This will be what the 4th time they have taken it away

[waxen totem]

trust the vision. eat what sdf cooks up in the kitchen, don't you dare ask whats in the recipe

[stone oak]

has anyone told sdf to go get his head scanned? im for real worried he has something growing in there thats messing with his memory

[spare birch]

That's literally the opposite of what they said lol. They said they want to implement skill expression by reducing the gear gap

[stone oak]

then why did they also say they wanted to get rid of tech and things "only the top players know"

they say they want to reduce the gear gap every other patch, then they increase the gear gap or make gear worthless

[spare birch]

Bro, so you're telling me cheesing the weapon swap system by (for example) doing something like swapping to a utility item then equipping and other weapon then re equipping the weapon to reduce the swap time by .1 seconds is skill expression ....?

[stone oak]

you really can't get rid of gear gap unless you get rid of gear

[coarse portal]

Yet they need more skills for thst lol

[stone oak]

i mean in a way, yeah, just like b hopping was skill expression. thats not what they're talking about though, they mentioned jumping to avoid ms penalty for actions

i can agree bugs and things like that should be patched

[spare birch]

Well that's the exact example they gave for things they're doing away with. That is not the idea of skill expression, they said they're focusing ok blocking parrying dodging positioning etc to give the player the advantage over gear

Gear should play a role but it shouldn't be the end all be all

[wet kindle]

idk if we watched the same two hours of interview

[pallid hemlock]

yes. in most games that .1 seconds doesnt matter, but in this tom and jerry chase simulator with zero intertia/momentum, every millisecond counts

[spare birch]

exactly... which is why they are reworking the movement system to promote things ive previously mentioned. Now we are back at square 1 of the conversation lmao

[vapid oyster]

this will be the 6th time we have removed stats from gear, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it

[stone oak]

the problem with trying to base the whole game around blocking and parrying is that most classes will just shoot you to death. the entire game would have to be reworked from the ground up to make shields and parries the best way to fight, and at that point the game is just chivalry with bad servers and hit reg

[vapid oyster]

not to mention that chiv/mordhau is like 100x deeper when it comes to sword x sword combat

[stone oak]

and the few bows that are allowed in chiv are still insanely annoying

[vapid oyster]

also those games fixed the "running away from a fight problem" by giving you a speed boost when you're chasing someone and making you slow when you're wounded

you just can't really disengage in those games like you can in this one

[stone oak]

and a system like that would be horrible for a game like this

[vapid oyster]

I agree, this game is all about positioning and I like it that way

[stone oak]

hit and run tactics are required for many classes

bard and rogue would just never win another fight against a barb or fighter

imagine getting debuffed for not wanting to get rolled by the smite divine prot cleric

[mortal meadow]

i mean in a 1v1 clash but those classes are less confrontational. rogue has the surpise and inivs and bard has a bow and crossbow

[fringe ibex]

i mean to be honest hit slow characters are meta next wipe barb cleric and wiz prolly

[waxen totem]

wiz gonna suck butt without jump casting

[mortal meadow]

they really REALLY need to rework hitslow. It should not be per weapon and should be based on impact power

[stone oak]

yeah but they still thrive on hit and run tactics, and depend on them to chip down tanky enemies

[stone oak]

bro for real. crossbow feels like it took your leg off

[fringe ibex]

im a bard main so im biased but with the removal of true dmg bard is fucking terrible

[mortal meadow]

they could just add more options like new songs or.. I litterally cant think of anything for rogue lol

[vapid oyster]

bard is gonna be fine lol

[stone oak]

same bro, we're actually cooked. class is dead

[fringe ibex]

how do you think

[mortal meadow]

then also make where you hit matter, if you get hit in the legs with a physical attack make them slower - which allows for really in depth aiming. headshots for damage or legs for speed advantage

[vapid oyster]

you can't even stack that much true dmg right now

[fringe ibex]

you can get 9 what are you smoking

[stone oak]

i guess, i just dont think ranged attacks should slow you much at all. makes an already annoying and oppressive play style that much worse

[left pagoda]

w wipe coming

[mortal meadow]

that is why I said physical. bows only have up till 3 impact (should have 2 imo but idk)

[stone oak]

5 at the min is still a lot of extra damage when you have 40% action speed. surv bow does like 23 damage base

[brazen pike]

it wont translate to a 1 for 1 of true damage obviously but you'll still have additional damage

[vapid oyster]

it's a big nerf to surv bow that's true

bard gonna be just fine tho

[stone oak]

rapier is only like 27

[mortal meadow]

additional should scale with + %damage ngl, we need a contender for true rn

[waxen totem]

surv bow in the dirt

[mortal meadow]

are we deadass rn

[silent notch]

I on occasion run war maul barb with both crush and savage for EIGHT impact power and its hilarious how long people get staggered trying to block it 🤣. I'm just imagining if the hit slow was boosted by that extra 2 impact..

[stone oak]

bard is cooked, PDR is king and barb reckless is the meta

[grizzled meteor]

So same as now

[stone oak]

real

[mortal meadow]

if lol but IM dont know how to read community suggestions

[fringe ibex]

bard just needs to get better base stats and more options for gear

[stone oak]

no true wont last. never has

[silent notch]

Daggers, survival bow etc... curious if they will get rebuffed in the absence of true. It's what got them so severely nerfed.

[abstract hazel]

Is the game better now

[broken edge]

nerf magic dmg curve, nerf MH, and this wipe removes true damage.. all while gutting TM when it's essentially become the last thing remaining for that play style. don't even get me started on how removing true gapes wiz even harder. @glad thunder your vision is like space aids

[fringe ibex]

could be if you play barb or fighter

[stone oak]

unfortunately, im pretty sure i know the answer based on their history of remembering things

[silent notch]

Lol

[tropic viper]

yo someone gimme end of wipe handouts so i can get the religion skin 😛

[stone oak]

his vision is just sweaty guys punching each other

no nerds allowed

[graceful mica]

SO...WHAT IS OUR CONCENSUS FOR THE NEXT SEASON BOYS AND GIRLS???

[mortal meadow]

are we serious rn bruh it has been proven time and time again that true damage makes classes impossible to scale like sorcerer lightning bolt or flames like what are we doing

[grizzled meteor]

It's crazy how TM was alr horrible in trio or arena and now it's fully removed. Always listen to timmies and never look at actual high end gameplay for balancing choices 👍

[mortal meadow]

dont even get me started on the fact that fireball has 250% scaling for true damage like why is 8 true damage made into 20 on a direct hit like what

[brazen pike]

[grizzled meteor]

that's a scaling issue not a true issue. It just scales 250% with anything cuz it has 3 instances of dmg

[stone oak]

simultaneously trash for trios and so annoying to play against. like you heal crazy fast but that doesn't make your team mates more alive. big 1v3 potential though

[mortal meadow]

but that is EVERY TYPE OF FIRE like bruh

[winter warren]

[graceful mica]

I think with what all they are saying as long as they follow through their are good things to come, just wish it could be faster.

[grizzled meteor]

p much zero 1v3 potential this season. not vs anyone semi decent and geared

[graceful mica]

Do we know what they are doing to sorcerer's time distortion?

[stone oak]

there really isn't much to begin with vs anyone decent and geared, but still more than almost any other class just for the healing

[graceful mica]

It is kind of the only good thing left as sorcerer

[mortal meadow]

because there is not advantage to blocking lol like why block and risk them hitting past your shield when you could dps test

[mortal meadow]

true magic makes all the annoying builds that lack deep skill, fighter demons glee, warlock staff bonk, and wizard fire staff, and allow for only really one build on every caster which is MS, knowledge and TM

[broken edge]

The solution to that isnt gutting true damage like these chimps think, its fucking removing crystal ball from fighter. Everything else you mentioned is literally buld diversity

[grizzled meteor]

None of that is true, glee is enables by glee having magic wep damage to scale off of, itl still work with add damage. Lock staff or wiz bonk are both not very good builds and you rarely see them.

[grizzled meteor]

Yup it's just glee having base magic wep now cause they literally decided to add it and wm giving crystal ball for some reason

[mortal meadow]

i dont mind build diversity. its when I get 80% of my health deleted in one hit because even though you have 160 hp and ~45% DR it doesnt matter because true damage

[broken edge]

Its ok bro these mouth breathing decision making will make me focus on better things

[broken edge]

Idk what spells are hitting you, but if its a direct hs fireball - thats on you bud

[mortal meadow]

not spells bruh im talking about bonk

[grizzled meteor]

The 8 true damage isn't what's deleting most of ur health in one hit, p much everything you say is wrong and the way you phrase stuff doesn't make it seem like you really know anything about this game

[broken edge]

Lmao bonk is absolute piss

[mortal meadow]

what is wrong then bruh

[grizzled meteor]

I replied to your earlier posts and told you

[heady spindle]

@prisma notch scammer please report

[grizzled meteor]

If you don't have significant Mr you'd take the same damage with add magic anyway

true is mostly just helping vs pdr

For caster you can just go add and will have even less of a chance of killing iron will barb

[mortal meadow]

as I said I play fighter with near 50% on both stats with epic gear and 30% both in grays

casters are just annoying because they have 5+ hitscan spells that are easy to spam and do nearly 30-60% of an hp pool (at cap MS with book out)

[mortal meadow]

add sucks in general though lol

[dusk kindle]

Ironhammer believes that the game needs 283848 maps each season to split the community even more.
What it really needs is balance and a roadmap.

[mortal meadow]

I just want to see at least ONE wipe without true damage fr

[grizzled meteor]

Ofc you do cuz you play the class with the highest damage mitigation in the game

[broken edge]

Wizard has 2 hitscan spells, lock has 2, idk about sorc

[broken edge]

We already did, it was patch 69, the entire caster playerbase left and the game became barb and barber

[mortal meadow]

I also play bard and wizard

[mortal meadow]

that patch also made barb OP with like 4 different huge buffs

[mortal meadow]

and you know what spells those are? multiple scaling spells.

[coarse portal]

This will be the 4th time they have removed true damage and other stats. Hell might be more then that. And last time they did this we lost like 80% of the player base. Doing this flip flop shit again will only hurt the player count even more

[rocky vine]

guys csn i still claim hr rewards in like a week 9r so

[mortal meadow]

in every scenario it was for less than 3 days lol

[odd grove]

Claim from this seasons rewards?

[subtle violet]

Lets be completely honest.... the game is full of casters who kite all day long. If you play trios this isnt true, because with a team comp, you need a frontline. However for duos + solos its just never ending kite. Impossible to play any sort of Melee class. They are nerfing the casters so they cant insta-cast anymore + removing True. I mean someone explain to me whats the point of PDR if everyone has enough damage to brawl you and still win? The whole idea is Casters need spacing + deal damage while dragging out the fight so that they can beat PDR Melee classes.... Melee has to close the distance ASAP before being ticked down. As of now with +all and true, its impossible. So what I cant play solo at all because Im a PDR melee? Its stupid. Even with sprint or rage its impossible to catch people who are 330 MS you just equal them. Why should a Wiz cast fireball do 2/3 of my HP and move max MS. Like if you stack one stat, you have to give up other advantages... If a fighter goes full MS good luck doing any damage or HP. You will get 1 shot Fireball or 2 curses. Lets be completely honest, everyone who complains is upset they are losing their Easy (OP Strategy). Everyone should have a counter. Warlock can still heal off hydra with LIFE DRAIN, the whole idea of that spell. Wiz still has Haste and Invis to prevent fighters from just W sprint at them. there are counters, you all just complain it wont be easy anymore

[mortal meadow]

omg ty that is exactly what I was thinking

THERE IS A REASON CASTERS HAVE NEAR CAP MS WITH BOOK

[odd grove]

How would you want casters to work then?

[rocky vine]

yes

but after it ends cuz im in japan rn idk if i should go to an internet cafe to do it lol

[odd grove]

You can claim all cosmetic rewards all the way back to season 1 don't worry

[rocky vine]

ah alright sweet thanks

[mortal meadow]

im not saying for him but they just need less emphasis on one build (knowledge and true damage). casters are extremely balanced without true damage

[odd grove]

you're also complaining about rock paper scissors match up in solos which is something that cannot be fixed

Which is why this game is balanced around trios

[mortal meadow]

but why then is 2/5 of the classes casters bruh

they counter everyone even barbs

[odd grove]

wdym

this game is based on dungeons and dragons characters, they're just adding them from there

[mortal meadow]

there is only really 2 main melee classes: fighters and barb. maybe bard but not really. why is there cleric, wizard, sorc, warlock with benefits? it is so outweighed

[vapid oyster]

wut, literally half the classes are casters

[mortal meadow]

yeah ik that is what im saying

[odd grove]

What's your solution to this though, casters entire design is kiting because if you get in melee range you just die

They are ranged characters

[mortal meadow]

that doesnt stop that strategy bruh it just nerfs it because it is so op

there is a reason why there is always a caster or 6 in every arena game

[odd grove]

Have you tried playing wiz with no true though

Completely different experience

[vapid oyster]

wiz gonna be fine lol

[mortal meadow]

yes I agree but with current stats I cant. If I ran without every opponent would have true so cant

[mortal meadow]

in basic lobby wizard still claps cheeks

[odd grove]

I'm just waiting to see what they've done with knowledge cast speed scaling

[grizzled meteor]

There's like 80% melee and 20% caster players btw

[mortal meadow]

like every caster has HUGE differences between them if true damage didnt exist, for instance warlock is great survival for one person, sorc is high base damage for spells, cleric is good heals for everyone but low damage and wizard (should be) a pocket knife but instead is a sorc copy

[odd grove]

wiz can't be a sorc copy he came out first xd

[mortal meadow]

ik i meant they fill the exact same role lol

[odd grove]

sorc has far more utility than wizard

Wizard hits harder in better gear though

[mortal meadow]

again as I said, is a big issue

[grizzled meteor]

First of all literally noone has that and second of all the reason is they need to invest heavily into agi to be able to play the game and not insta dir

[plush agate]

wizard would have ~infinitetly~ more viability and a larger fun factor if you change the lock door spell. to also unlock chests. giving them a unique purpose filled by only the bard and rogue currently

[grizzled meteor]

You can do the same btw

[mortal meadow]

because TM is such a carry lol

[mortal meadow]

make wizard have a ice wall spell or have area of effect spell that affect enemies idk

wizard has 3 good spells and that is it bruh

and because they are SO good it makes it a boring class

[odd grove]

You just said they fill the same roll but you want to give wizard sorc utility?

wat

[mortal meadow]

sorc has spells wizard should have lol

[odd grove]

Pity it will be season 9 before wiz is even worked on

Along with cleric

[plush agate]

yea, i think that the wizard just needs a new trick. they used to be all cool with the invis spells hasted. but they need something fun again

[mortal meadow]

is there a place to see what they are changing for new wipe? people have been saying things that are gonna change but idk

[odd grove]

Someone put a detailed list on the subreddit

[mortal meadow]

do you have a link or what it might be called? I dont mind looking myself but at least I would like a little direction

[odd grove]

I'll dm idk if I can post reddit links here

[brazen pike]

#game-discussion message

[odd grove]

That works too

[mortal meadow]

ty man very much

[tropic bane]

anyone in here willing to sell me a stingray egg for a blood thirst, pulv, trident, and 3 dbs?

[brazen pike]

although some of the details are off on that list like "Gamerlag legal esp fixed" and "inventory system reworked"

[mortal meadow]

is this confirmed? THIS SOUNDS AMAZING OMG

[brazen pike]

yeah that list is pretty accurate

[odd grove]

Are you sure they said lag esp was fixed I thought they just said it's an ongoing issue that they're working on

[brazen pike]

yeah that's what I mean, those two things aren't right

[mortal meadow]

shield slam is gonna be new meta

[odd grove]

Wait till you hear about fighters disarm

And barb throwing bardiche

[finite yoke]

What if I use my fists, then what pal

[brazen pike]

get defisted

[odd grove]

then bring it on pal I'll fist fight you

[hollow thistle]

Barbarians slinging war mauls like frannies

[odd grove]

Gonna be so not broken

[tropic bane]

all because pete doesnt wanna use frannies.. so sad

[mortal meadow]

until you realize that you can just pick up their weapon...

[brazen pike]

actually unironically might see barbarians come in with an inventory full of 2h weapons to throw lmao

[odd grove]

Until you realise they bring in 5 two handers

[mortal meadow]

no offense lol your good

you are not wrong lol

[odd grove]

They confirmed that lantern achilles isn't fixed yet so just wait for throwing warmaul achilles

[quasi plover]

any Q&A key points?

[wild parcel]

Why nerf gear?!?!

[hardy stump]

so, what was QnA about? Anything of substance, or just word soup?

[brazen pike]

decent breakdown #game-discussion message

[hardy stump]

ah, pinned, ok

[plush agate]

since there is HR PvE, can i just go play for easy points for the rank rewards?

[brazen pike]

the AP you earn is greatly greatly reduced

[plush agate]

ahhh, i see. thank youu

[hardy stump]

ok, read it all, sounds good, I love the removal of problematic affixes, warlock changes and removal of druid abuses, can't wait for class reworks

rank based HR maps is interesting, but sure, why not

[odd grove]

75% less ap than pvp so 4 times the grind

[brazen pike]

one interesting tidbit in the shared screenshot of the HR map ranking thing is that it specified AP beyond wanderer 1 could only be earned in HR and the maps beyond Forgotten Castle were all tied to only achieving Apprentice 3

[quasi plover]

ive been playing this game for years and every wipe/patch theres an apology can we get anything right?

[thorn crown]

Is AP still character specific?

[drowsy pebble]

when does dark wipe?

[brazen pike]

jan 29th

[drowsy pebble]

ty

[fresh bay]

logged in to do 3s random matchmaking on cleric, 5min queue, quit gg games dead

where everyone go 🙁

[brazen pike]

wipe is in 2 days

[fresh bay]

nobody playin till then

[brazen pike]

pretty much

[fresh bay]

fairs fairs

[gusty sentinel]

no incentive to play next wipe possibly will be a dead wipe within a couple weeks if not days after people experience the trashy new map.

[eager prawn]

you're a trashy new map buddy, how you like them apples?

[primal coral]

yeah, this season wipe is going to be the shittiest one so far, they are so rtrded

[brazen pike]

what incentive are you looking for? there's HR ranks, the new arena season will also offer rank rewards, quests, religion rewards, faustian bargain/goblin recovery reputation and improvements to artifact obtain rate

[kind dome]

I like ideas and vision new things but devs should be ready make fast hotfix when they change balance so hard

[pale mica]

yes they need to be aware for the next week or so and make like 2-3 hotfix to fix broken things

ofc balance will be weird if barbs and fighters get new abilities

[brazen pike]

that is something I'd like to see too

[magic sleet]

gonna bring in 10 zwei's and play ranger barb

[ripe hare]

barb and barber again. Without true damage gl killing a barb wihout + hp add gl playing against barb which gets 15 vig + percent hp from perks and magic res. Just vendor the wipe they dont know what they doing

[coarse portal]

No way did they really add that??? Why do they think they can add more modes to this game with this player base. These devs are unreal

[plush agate]

well, theyre taking it out in three days from what i hear

[coarse portal]

Good

[plush agate]

they also had 75% less gains. a friendly person told me that in this chat

[coarse portal]

Well from everything they said in the Q&A. This season is going to be dead as hell. This will be the 4th or 5th time taking away true damage and other things as well they never learn

[uneven cairn]

@zinc sparrow i saw the outcome of the live, thank you for making changes that will completly kill the game

[kind dome]

Nah, true dmg most broken stat make pdr and mdr useless if class not work without true dmg then just change classes to make them playable that right way

[coarse portal]

Yeah and we have seen this 4 or 5 times. They never make it work

[night bane]

It circles around every time, they remove - ppl complain about barb and barb meta, then add back

[kind dome]

If all weapons can block and not possible add max hp it will be skill issue, last wipe rogue meta with knifes and double jumps was one of the stupids shits ever

But in 3rio game was pretty balanced

[torn swallow]

in what world can a fuckin penguin spit kill you in three hits

this is like fourth time i got killed hopelessly by a druid penguin

now wonder so many people add clown emojis to dev messages

[kind dome]

Another reason why true dmg most broken and next season this shit will not work

[torn swallow]

i managed to hit one of the penguin druids
i had a full unqiue kit with 53 strength and everything on physical power and additional damage bonuses (probably like 3-4 true damage too)

[torn swallow]

my void blade didnt even one shot the druid penguin and i got killed effortlessly

just how

its a penguin

[uneven cairn]

after 3000 hours i finally deleted the game, thank you lovely devs

[gusty sentinel]

hardcore game with low hp but people can still look at gear and abilities in hr in dead lobbys thanks sdf

[sharp hearth]

can any1 resume me what they say on the stream?

[uneven cairn]

that the game is dead

[sharp hearth]

i listened smth that they delete true and casting while jumping right?

[lethal badger]

Summary pinned, courtesy of Goblinnards

[sharp hearth]

thnx

[nimble parcel]

wasnt part of the holdup getting new arrow types in the game?

[sharp hearth]

so warlock dies 2

[stone herald]

game is over

i thought 3000 player count was bad we gonna see sub 1000 next season

[sharp hearth]

and it seems druid it will still be op

[stone herald]

wont matter if theres no one to play it

[sharp hearth]

prob, they're trying to get new players but this is not way

the red GC trailer is already dropped?

[woeful plume]

They've taken the fun out of random modifiers.

[stone herald]

wish i didnt buy on steam so i could chargeback

[sharp hearth]

i think melee classes will get op and mages are getting super nerfed

[stone herald]

im ok with that part

[sharp hearth]

i think all need to be fixed so you can fight with a figther or with a barb against a wiz or a warlock but not making melee has more oportunities

[stone herald]

i much prefer a melee fight over running in circles

[sharp hearth]

yeah me too, i only play melee classes but i was trying to learn warlock a few days ago

[stone herald]

not possible every class will have strong and weak matchups if the game if fairly balanced

[silver smelt]

❤️

[stone herald]

yeah i feel its much better for the game to be focused on intuitive melee combat then gimmicky spellcasters

[tulip smelt]

No changing door meta? Close and walk away? Yeah cya next wipe.

[woeful plume]

Cya

[sharp hearth]

what can you do for doors men?

[tulip smelt]

make them longer to close. Revamp the module system entirely

[sharp hearth]

i mean the meta is so boring but you can destroy it i thing

[sharp hearth]

i think if they dont change another type of metas doors wont be changed

[paper thicket]

wipe when?

[humble spade]

When does new season start?

[sharp hearth]

29

[humble spade]

29th?

[sharp hearth]

yeah

[coarse portal]

They still haven't got a quiver in game. I dont care what they say its not hard to put it into the game. And they said themselves this season was bad..... well guess what??? What they said theyre going to do is only going to make this new season even worse

[timber imp]

goo goo gaa gaa

[tiny moat]

So empty lobbies now ?

[coarse portal]

When have they ever done that lol?

[sonic maple]

BROTHER

[prime copper]

Anyone want some mid wizard kits?

[coarse portal]

If the disarm makes you drop your weapon on the ground that will 100% kill the season right at the start

[white pumice]

RIP wizard lol, no more true mag

[pine tendon]

whens the wipe?

[fervent anvil]

read pins

[fervent anvil]

wiz still has stick. wiz will be fine

[white pumice]

most boring way to play wizard imo

[boreal island]

the whole game balance is changing, gnna be hard to say where it ends up

I think you're right probably wiz will be worse for a bit unless they change base damage values right away

[fervent anvil]

then you can keep on using normal spells.

[radiant notch]

acting like casters are interesting

[coarse portal]

Dont need too I saw the video. Its the fact its taken this long and they say its still not 100% is wild.

[white pumice]

wizard is super fun if youre trying to have fun with it, if youre just spamming fireball and magic missle its obviously going to be boring

[radiant notch]

no true mag means zap wont do half my hp this game can be playable

[fervent anvil]

its taken this long prob cause it wasnt a priority lol. they cant just randomly add something in cause some people want it. they 100% have a list of shit that they run through over time

[coarse portal]

True but it is something simple that shouldn't have taken 3 years to do so. And a list of shit they wanna do??? You mean go back and forth on true damage or rolls on items for what the 7th time lol. If they didnt waste time going back and forth on everything we would actually have a player base

[fervent anvil]

getting balance right is always gonna be at the top of the list for any game with pvp

tho they did do a bit too much of that stuff with things like true dmg

[ripe hare]

bro the stat changes suck gear was already not a guarantee to win against budget reckless barb now you can beat everyone with squire barb. WOW BIG CHANGE

[regal zinc]

it's funy that in every game i play, i always see crying about changes before anyone ever test them xD

[quick fern]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xvlhxy6b6A1WpSMsC-572u7ZPh70fV4UyR04uuNejJo/edit?tab=t.0

[ripe hare]

we had these changes before the devs are moving in a circle

[regal zinc]

all of them?

[ripe hare]

all of the item changes yes

[brazen pike]

maybe im alone but I liked when they made those changes back then too, keep the game fresh with some meta variety while new content gets made

[coarse portal]

Yet I this game the devs dont even test them before they just push it on us lol

[coarse portal]

Yes we had all them many times before this.

[ripe hare]

we had no all before we had less headshot damage reduction and we had remove the hp. And you know what that led to going to the class that gets hp from active aka rage and a perk aka robust combine that and nobody can match u it also offers zero build options unlesse you like losing a lot

[fervent anvil]

we wont know how they are doing all the balance changes till the wipe actually happens :) save your complaining for just a couple more days till we actually know how balance is changing

[ripe hare]

dude we seen it before. We all tired of seeing it again

[regal zinc]

quick reminder that the game is still in early access, so I'm not at all surprised that they're experimenting with changes

[ripe hare]

its no rocket sience

[fervent anvil]

didnt know you were from the future

[ripe hare]

early access for 3 years my guy at this point the game is out there

[ripe hare]

so we can not learn from the past? We got to repeat the same cicle to find out what already was tried and tested?

[solid saddle]

This game will never leave early access, calling it now

[regal zinc]

when people build a time machine?

[fervent anvil]

tarkov did. its possible

[ripe hare]

they just wanna cash grab casuals and will change it mid wipe back so the no lifes dont leave too

we seen it before and its a play cicle which makes the playercount what it is today

[solid saddle]

It’s possible yea I just don’t see it happening, this way they can always pull the “still in ea card” when making dumb choices. Hope I’m wrong tho

[drifting hinge]

Dang I was looking forward to come back and play my Warlock, then I see what they do with TM, I'll wait until they go back then, f this game

[regal zinc]

It's nice to know that we have time travelers and mind readers in the community
😄

[rancid slate]

I was just listening to the Q/A from yesterday and it seems to me sdf does not understand the problem with movement speed in teh game, he said he wants to give players other options which shows he does not understand teh problem of players deciding im about to loose this fight so ill just run away and you cannot do anything because im at max move speed.

[solid saddle]

Ever heard of making predictions?

[regal zinc]

I'm not the messiah, i prefer to test things on my own before i start to 'yapping'

[coarse portal]

If you seen the same stuff happen 6 or 7 times before. You already know what's going to happen bud.

[ripe hare]

@regal zinc so if you know there is a pot hole in the road you gonna drive full speed over it again and again???

[solid saddle]

Good thing messiah don’t make predictions they make prophecies different word but close enough

[coarse portal]

Ill just grind my HR for two weeks get the rewards and be out until next season. No need to play with these bs ideas again and again

[silver smelt]

He removed the problem

[rancid slate]

@silver smelt What the move speed problem, what makes you think that?

[nova jetty]

getting rid of +add movespeed is the best thing they couldve done. it screwed over class balance greatly.

[solid saddle]

Don’t let plate classes wear lightfoots just like how none plate classes can’t wear plate thoughts?

[tawny shore]

Every time i see spellcaster gameplay i'm reminded why sorc is just the worst one

Watched some insta fast wizard gameplay and man. Literally sorc but better

[abstract hazel]

Game is good now and saved thanks sdf 😌

[stone herald]

awful idea

by that logic plate classes could only use plate boots

[eternal vigil]

so when is new season start?

[lethal badger]

29th!!

[kind dome]

Add set items(artifact tier for example or new category) as gear with set bonuses

[rancid slate]

But do you think removing add move speed is enough? wont certain classes still just always be faster due to wearing cloth or class abilities?

[coarse portal]

Yet this will be the 4th or 5th time doing it.....

[sturdy coral]

that’s how it’s been this wipe too, for the most part. The differences will be slightly higher between the armor classes next wipe

[bright forge]

Cinema wipe upcoming

[ripe hare]

ragebait detected haha

[hardy stump]

nah, warlock will just have to use meds, like everyone else

[brazen pike]

or hydra life drain since that is unaffected by the changes to TM

[long hornet]

Warlock is cooked. It’ll be braindead w key fighter barb meta. They will be faster than everyone with ease

[nova jetty]

Yup. But hopefully it’s gone for good this time.

[rose mantle]

Any ranger god in here that can tell a newb how to improve on the class? I am playing crossbow+spear and I can kill geared players with squire gear, but only maybe 1/10 times. Any advice appreciated. Also just get gud lmao

[timber brook]

Anyone got like some simple notes or a list of changes they talked about in the stream with Onepeg?

[topaz folio]

That is the whole idea of cloth things

[tawny shore]

So if true is being removed will they rebalance daggers?

[topaz folio]

TLDR:

• ⁠Season 8 will start as Self Found(SSF) for the first three weeks.
• ⁠Twitch Drops will start January 30th and run through February 12th. Exclusive Cosmetics + Workshop related items.
• ⁠New Map 'The Firedeep'. 2nd Layer of Goblin Caves that is magma themed. New massive boss: The Colossus plus a whole host of new monsters.
• ⁠Ruins is now a 7x7 map with differing points of interest and loot.
• ⁠A brand new race.
• ⁠Quiver finally Releasing, albeit in a janky state
• ⁠PvE High Roller Mode Removed(Less Queues & statistically the least popular mode)
• ⁠High Roller Maps will be rank locked so all players will start in 7x7 ruins until they reach Apprentice III adventure rank. Adventure rank points can now be gained in Normals up to Wanderer I Rank. All maps are accessible in PvE mode regardless of rank.
• ⁠The return of Goblin Recovery(insurance) for all modes. The more quests and affinity you gain with the Goblin merchant, the more gear he will bring back. Up to 100% of gear can be recovered at max affinity.
• ⁠Instant shapeshift for Druids removed, super panther chicken jump removed.
• ⁠Instant casting for sorcerer removed but all Sorc builds remain viable due to a rework of knowledge/spell casting speed.
• ⁠The move speed meta was attacked. Jumping and casting, jumping and using an item, jumping and performing an action now all appropriately slow. Add move speed removed from gear random rolls.
• ⁠Barbarian: Whirlwind ability added, barbarians can now throw all weapons,
• ⁠Fighter: Stand your Ground Ability added, Disarm weapon added(confirmed as OP by devs)
• ⁠All weapons can now block or parry. Blocking and parrying are now tighter and skill based melee engagements more involved.

[timber brook]

Thank you king

[topaz folio]

• ⁠Warlock: You can only gain RECOVERABLE health back with torture mastery curses and they cost the same amount of HP to cast.
• ⁠Arena: Not SSF. Epic Gear Max Quality. Monsters remain but all sub bosses removed. Solo queue will start later than 2200 MMR and will be further adjusted throughout the season based on data.
• ⁠3d Gathering Hall will release to test server in February.
• ⁠The Workshop, new feature similar to Arc Raiders Crafting Benches, will release very shortly after wipe. Can recycle bad gear into better gear.
• ⁠New Points of Interest and Loot Adjustments to reflect difficulty of POI
• ⁠True Damage/Add Move Speed/+All Attributes/+Max Health removed from random rolls on gear. Base gear stats increased to compensate. Frost Amulet/Phoenix Choker changed to Add Damage.
• ⁠Headshot multiplier -> 1.5x to compensate for lower health pools
• ⁠Custom Arena Matches/Tournaments Planned
• ⁠New Gold Storage Item(s)
• ⁠Auto Sort Function Initial Implementation
• ⁠Battle Royale Circle Removed from all modes except Squire to Riches.

[topaz folio]

That should be all

[timber brook]

Appreciate it

[hardy jolt]

• ⁠Battle Royale Circle Removed from all modes except Squire to Riches. this one is crazy

[hardy stump]

why? we knew it would happen, there was almost a year of pushback from casual and streamer communities, only a tiny minority of ultra sweats liked it

[ripe hare]

did they buff droprates for names next season or nerf I didnt catch that

[brittle wing]

they said something about making it more risky for some pois so the rewards would be better but idk

[coarse portal]

So just turning everything back about 2 seasons lol.

[ripe hare]

as usual

[upper kayak]

Ayo

I just got the game and idk what class to choose

I heard f2p can only choose one class so whats the best class i can choose?

[old latch]

Idk

[azure socket]

when wipe?

[coarse portal]

-might as well try them all before the wipe

[brazen pike]

fighter is a good starter

and you can play multiple classes as f2p but you have to delete a character to make space for the next

[upper kayak]

I want something that can fight in close and use magic too

Not someone who cant use magic at all and not someone who cant fight at all

[brazen pike]

Warlock kind of fits that, they're about to eat a nerf in a few days but should still be viable

[upper kayak]

Something in the middle

[upper kayak]

Yeah i got told that they are really bad to play now

Whats my second option?

[brazen pike]

Warlock can don plate armor and use some heavy melee weaponry like halberd, bardiche and longsword and they also have a lot of spells. They can still summon a hydra and life drain it to heal up for free which is great for newbies.

[upper kayak]

I am f2p so i am looking for something to stick with yk

[brazen pike]

The other magic casters aren't really brawlers, maybe Wizard with the fire weapon enchant

and bonking with a staff

[rose mantle]

But very squish compared to warlock 🙂

[upper kayak]

Like really really bad

Nerf and ahit

[brazen pike]

Post-patch will affect the way some of their spells heal them but they still have many playstyles that will be untouched

[upper kayak]

So still worth it?

As f2p what does it mean to delete my character? I will loose everything?

[brazen pike]

yeah your stash will get deleted

wipe is in 2 days so take advantage of it now and play a bunch of characters

[topaz folio]

i would recommend sorc strong casting and good melee ability

[upper kayak]

Wipe?

Like a new season?/update?

[brazen pike]

new season yeah

[topaz folio]

everything gets deleted

[brazen pike]

and they wipe everyone's character levels and stash items

[topaz folio]

except your characters

[brazen pike]

you keep your character names but they get reset to level 1

[hardy stump]

you were lied to

[upper kayak]

Soooooo... Its the same as deleting a character

[brazen pike]

pretty much

[upper kayak]

Damn it felt like it

[brazen pike]

which is why I say go off and try all the characters now

and then on the 29th when the update comes out you can stick to whatever your favorite is

[upper kayak]

I see

Thanks yall

[topaz folio]

try sorcorer

[old latch]

Sorc is not beginner friendly

[topaz folio]

depends what you are used to

[upper kayak]

Yeah if i will loose everything in 2 days i may just try them all lol

[upper kayak]

I am new to the pc version

[azure socket]

when is the wipe?

[brazen pike]

oh you played mobile? the pc version is definitely very different but you'll recognize some of the maps and enemies

[upper kayak]

Rogue is good?

[brazen pike]

rogue is very squishy

[hardy stump]

OP dmg, about to be much, much weaker

[upper kayak]

Not that much but tried it yeah the game on phone is really horrible g&g was way much better so i hope the pc version is as much good as it seems

[upper kayak]

So hes getting nerfed

[hardy stump]

indirectly through gear changes

[upper kayak]

I see

Ig i'll go with the warlock after all

Seems interesting

It sucks that i need to pay for more character slots lol

[solid saddle]

Just make a new steam account

[hardy stump]

its buy2play game, you're on infinite trial

[upper kayak]

Yeah maybe lol

[upper kayak]

Yeah lol its an infinite trial lol

Ayo its taking too long to find a match is this normal?

I am on the 7 min now

[nova jetty]

So we thinking sorc will still be dookie butt booty butter start of wipe?

[solid saddle]

No normally starts new lobby for you after 7 seconds. Either you have fill teammates on or ur bugged

[copper pasture]

guys whenever i msg in the trading post it doesnt seem to appear?

[upper kayak]

Like its hard to find teammates?

[solid saddle]

Ya we have wipe in 3 days almost none plays the game right now best chance of finding a team you’ll probably have in squire to riches

[upper kayak]

Damn i see

[copper pasture]

GUYS ANSWER ME WHY ISNT MY MSGS IN TRADING POST SHOWING

[upper kayak]

Thanks

[solid saddle]

You need to link an item for it to show up

[copper pasture]

ooohh

i wanna get my first artifact : )

[fluid tulip]

Most people just link a chest or something if they trying to buy

[copper pasture]

i see, everyone just wants db for any artifact but i dont have none to give

[old latch]

Start begging

[copper pasture]

😿

[lime pine]

Please

[old latch]

What is wipe timer rn?

[fervent anvil]

1 day and some hrs

[fluid tulip]

Yea DB is basically a currency cuz the trade window is so small and can’t fit enough chests in the window, so they use DBs since they are smaller. So basically gotta buy DBs and use those. (Not a fan)

[fervent anvil]

like 1day 15 hrs or something like that

[copper pasture]

thats so lame

[fluid tulip]

Yup lol. Agreed.

[leaden peak]

All artifacts are a currency item

Bosses are Ratted to hard so only a few players can farm them and if u bring it to raid evryone will 20v1 u

[solid saddle]

pre lobby "THAT GUY HAS AN ARTIFACT GUYS LETS TEAM GUYS GUYS" funny times

[copper pasture]

yeah ig but doesnt really matter now cuz wipe is like tmr

[leaden peak]

exactly

pve still the most op way to get money tho way supperior to high roller lol

[copper pasture]

i just farm cyclops with my friend

[dense pawn]

Is everyone ready for 2 months of poor balance? I sure am. I just hope I make the right choice for main class this wipe. I really wanted to play warlock, but with TM possibly becoming a meme build I am not sure anymore.

I just wish they stick with the crazy changes and rebalance around them, not just revert and achieve nothing... 🙃

[leaden peak]

cant get jackpot items in pve but u can make 1-3k per raid wish takes up to 6mins

[copper pasture]

lost a 10k gold kit

[leaden peak]

well they adding new skills and stuff and we shall see waht type of meta we will have now

[solid saddle]

id pick barb or fighter if you wanna be safe, but im sure warlock will have viable builds even if TM wont be it

[leaden peak]

ive never brought a kit more then 3k to hr cuss of the Rat infestation

Warlock Supperior to barb and fighter attlest bonk lock with right stuff

[lime pine]

A kit less than 3k is like... Blue gear?

[copper pasture]

i feel like fighter can be easily countered, i get annoyed as soon as i see any ranged classes

[leaden peak]

legendary and purples lol

[copper pasture]

i feel like they should give fighter a dashing ability or something

[solid saddle]

fighter has crossbow or bow with weaponmastery tho, barb has it worse when it comes to range

[copper pasture]

true

[dense pawn]

I just mained fighter last wipe and I want to move on to something else. Barb is the most boring class to me, not sure I'd ever want to main it tbh. But if they have really cool skills I might give it a shot. Barb is the only class that is not affected by removal of true, so I sense we might see a barb invasion this wipe

[lime pine]

Guess I haven't played a bit.. 300g per piece feels a bit low for a leg/purple kit

[leaden peak]

idk i dont really focus some stats players think they need +all and all that dosent change much

[copper pasture]

u should see the prices now u can easily get a all gold kit with that

last i saw gold ls was 250 gold

[leaden peak]

yeaaa just outskill them 90% of the geared players are not good ive killed so many Full legendary biss kits with just squire

[spiral totem]

why do spider mummies take the same amount of hits to kill as a player?

[leaden peak]

yeaaa Spider mummies are the most op AI in the game xD

They make u bounce around for no reason and they take like 6 hits to kill in hr

[brazen pike]

hit them in the head

[copper pasture]

idk i feel like gob archer is much worse

[silver smelt]

Play bard

[copper pasture]

lost thousands to that triple shot attack lol

[leaden peak]

Bard its Extreamly good class if u can outskill the other players

but i heard Barb might have 2x 2h weponds with a perk now idk how thats ganna work

[copper pasture]

almost all of barbs weapons are super easy to riposte which kinda sucks tho

[leaden peak]

i think thats the point tho

when 2handed axe 1 taps most players with reckless

[copper pasture]

fair ig

[silver smelt]

❤️

[pallid hemlock]

thats why their adding the ability to chuck your soulscraper. (hopefully it doesn't land at their feet for easy pickens)

[shut mural]

So is this patch meta just going to be tanking melee classes since they are removing the skill expression around jumping and swapping items?

[tacit wing]

Lmfao, "skill expression"

[shut mural]

I’m quoting them

[tawny shore]

Oh randoms. Never ceasing to be absolutely worthless

I swear these guys are lobotomized

[cobalt mica]

i think they said they wanted to add this but the inventory system doesnt allow for that currently, so they cant do it til they eventually fix inventory. which is apparently a massive problem for them

[leaden peak]

idk how the inventory its that hard to expand

Or maybe make so things stack

[pallid hemlock]

they want to keep the skill experession but also they said its unintuitive for new players. so its gonna get removed or fully scuffed

[stuck hollow]

anyone got the screen shot onepeg haven’t install darkanddarker

[zealous wing]

They basically said that the “inventory” is tied to all player control, it’s also the reason you get lag when another character comes into render range it’s like GIGA spaghetti

[leaden peak]

the F tho if we get 2x inventory space or anyting like that it changes the entire player Economy xD

[cobalt mica]

yeah, all the gear your character model is wearing plus all your stats and everything are part of the inventory system

[shut mural]

Yeah it’s hilarious they give him interviews. The probably did it because he reported on their court cases in a positive manner but he clearly doesn’t like them or the game anymore

[dense pawn]

I haven't played bard in over 2 years and I will happily play it as soon as they add something new to it. Meanwhile... I'm playing bard IRL, I'm just finishing my first youtube video in over a year. I'll be jamming with multiple bard songs from the game on drum, lute and flute.

[cobalt mica]

and the one guy who knew how the inventory system worked left the company quite a while ago

[stuck hollow]

You got the screenshot ? I saw it on Reddit yesterday but it was deleted

[sinful gull]

Im the biggest hater, but the Q&A should feel like a win. What it shows is that they start to realize sdfs feedback ignoring vision doesnt work, theyve never adressed so many issues that are actually bothering players: instacast, shapeshift and even just the quiver placeholder. They tried to fix these issues in a 100 different ways but never just did what the people asked. I think this is the first actual step in a new direction and rebalancing is gonna be brutal, finally they stop running away from it at least.

[raven patio]

How is the game nowadays

[shut mural]

What I got from the Q&A is they are going back to how the semi semi wipe was lol

[gusty sentinel]

sad they gotta wipe the game to have players. when i work a full time job and have to grind out everything every wipe gets kinda old. not an issue for the streamers tho since thats their job.

[shut mural]

Bro wipe took forever and it’s never been easier to get gold. You sound ridiculous. Has to be rage bait

[sinful gull]

After all the recent shit patches I dont exactly remember what semi semi was, ive barely place they last 6 months. Was it stat removal or what was it ? was semi semi the "patch 69 2.0" ?

[tawny shore]

Why DO they reset all class levels after a wipe. That seems unnecessary

[shut mural]

Yeah it was 200% headshot, no true gemming and no move speed modifiers

[solid saddle]

semi wipe was patch 69 2.0 semi semi wipe was when they reverted everything then season 7 (this season) started iirc

[graceful tinsel]

If wizard can’t jump cast it’s cooked!

[rapid vine]

play bard. it's fighter v2

[solid saddle]

i mean you can still jump, it just wont help you anymore lol

[shut mural]

It’s gonna be rough for OGs. This is like a recoil change in shooters when people have thousands of hours of training on the old system and they change it

[gusty sentinel]

ill bend u over in front of sdf

[shut mural]

Get out of my head

[solid saddle]

now that you say this, this is how those rust sweats must have felt after the AK recoil changed

[graceful tinsel]

Yeah man been playing wiz since PT2

[sinful gull]

ah ok ... i will contest that.. Its similar in a way that they do alot of crazy shit that might break the game. But this is also SDF vision where SDF allways pushed the faster TTK and tried to reinvent the term with "hits to kill"(trauma comes back)... we allways wanted lower ttk, so he does the opposite of what people asked, just sdf vision as usual. This one isnt his Vision, even if it might also be shit.

for example .. i read all the jump shit and also get scared, but I think there is alot of upside aswell. Fights are harder to reset fully cause it heal slows a little more and that could reduce 3rd party aswell.. its not like the 200% HS where sdf tries to force his vision through.. Paul might be real

[pallid hemlock]

just a flaw of the genre. tarkov does it too. genuine endgame content with some sort of prestige system, or encouragement or reward for starting over at level 1 would be much be better than full game wipe, but here we are 🤷‍♂️

[primal oyster]

sdf big arc fan

[slender sorrel]

nah just gut warlock completely and buff barb instead

[lyric valve]

Anyone know where we can find notes on the Q&A?

[woven bridge]

The notes say, Play fighter or Barb next season, that is all

[shut mural]

That’s how it is at the start of every season. Then they have to nerf them because people just quit or every lobby is just those classes lol

[woven bridge]

thats how the lobbies are normally at the start and the end?

[shut mural]

I mainly play S2R late in the season

[long hornet]

B hop removed, most spells nerfed, intense focus nerfed, magic power nerfed, cast speed nerfed, being able to jump cast to try to make space on the ez mode w key warriors removed, adding block or parry to all weapons which can negate some spells or stop a lot of the damage. They really want just melee only

[celest spindle]

anyone got a writeup on the qna

[celest spindle]

good, melee only is fun

[slim tulip]

they said intense focus was going to stay the same because is an active ability, you are talking out of your ass. sit down

[long hornet]

You must be new here. Intense focus had a 10 second cd it’s 20 now. So before you talk know what you’re talking about kid. I gave a nerf timeline. Seem a lil clueless, must be a barb or fighter main

[wet sinew]

4 db + ches full for egg ancient

[terse nova]

What did they say about skill expression?

[long hornet]

They’re lowering it to keep casuals and new player retention

[terse nova]

they just ganna copy arc raiders, loot doesnt matter and isnt effective, but we keep it for the dopamine of getting it

inv management game with battle royale and fake loot if they dial it back as hard as they did before

[mellow charm]

they have been doing that since release and the numbers been dropping game has no depth atm. No deep progression in the game nothing to sink your hours into outside of kill players and take there biz that gets old when its the only thing to do.

[long hornet]

They don’t have the population to be able to have separate gear brackets properly like the need for newer plays. So they’re making all gear worse to give new players less penalty for getting gear gapped

[smoky jetty]

Justice for druid!

[primal oyster]

we cooked boys

[proven swift]

pls dont revert druid 🙏

[slender sorrel]

nah

Justice for warlock!

[proven swift]

pls dont revert warlock 🙏

[slender sorrel]

😡 😡 😡

[proven swift]

[pallid hemlock]

it breaks my heart that there were multiple arc raider mentions and we still have yet to hear a single tarkov mention. why are we copying the casual game and ignoring the hardcore game?

[azure pasture]

new season drop today?

[slender sorrel]

❕ 🐺

[primal oyster]

29th

[terse nova]

I didnt watch it yet, Did they actually?

[azure pasture]

fuck 2 more days

[mellow charm]

indeed feel like the reception would have been alot better instead of a new map we don't need lets fix the training system, more perks spells

[azure pasture]

ty

[fallow ivy]

Anyone that have stuff left that dont going to use it dm me i am realy broke

[woven void]

Cause Tarkov was never actually a good game it was a bad game in a untapped market.

[primal oyster]

training system = 30k wipe we all know it, but goblin lvl 2 is ok cant rly complaint

[minor shore]

Is it too late to grind for ifrit skin?

[smoky jetty]

Nah

Justice for druids

[woven void]

No skill class

[minor shore]

Nah Druid has needed this nerf since release

[mellow charm]

like easy low hanging fruit

[pallid hemlock]

they were talking about something they were working on and said "like arc raiders" two times i think. i forget what they were talking about but the mentioned something being "like arc raiders" at least once for sure

[azure pasture]

na 2 days till season ends i think you got time

[smoky jetty]

Cursing and running away like in kindergarden is no skill

[woven void]

Warlocks are no skill too

[woven void]

Druids should’ve never been added to the game tho

[minor shore]

Ok ty, I usually dip when Market drops every season just because it takes trying out of the game for me. But the skin looks cool and I want it. TY

[rapid vine]

tell that to warlock channel. they disagreed with me

[smoky jetty]

Remove warlocks

[pallid hemlock]

i dont disagree but i wonder which parts of tarkov you consider bad

[mellow charm]

i wish dark and darker did borrow more from escape from tarkov and make it where you have to actually customize the hilt and blade of your weapon.

[primal oyster]

+3 agi = new bis. caster players new season, I feel bad for yall

[azure pasture]

yeah if you grind for a couple hours just doing HR and escaping then youll reach pathfinder pretty quickly

[agile tide]

"Disarm"

[rapid vine]

too much work for dev team. we got gem system

[minor shore]

Hopefully just a 1 second stun

[mighty glade]

when is wipe?

[woven void]

Every bit of it. The gun play is awful, zero anti cheat, the weapons are mostly all useless aside from two meta weapons. I have 400 hours on that game it just sucks. It was only good when it was a one of a kind game. Now it’s outshined by everything else. Tarkov is for gaming dads who like to sit and camp for a 4 hour session.

[mellow charm]

which I'm not complaining but idk now about the gem system that they took out 1+ all attribute true damage, and no health hp drops on gear. So ttk is going to skyrocket

[rapid vine]

more ttk, more fun!

[woven void]

That shit sounds so dumb

[terse nova]

only thing good about arc raiders imo was its overall package, but in of itself i really dont like the game, seems like alot of the fun is RP and idk what

[rapid vine]

is it because arc feels shallow than this game?

[primal oyster]

that game got it, PvE wise; DaD has dumb pve

[agile tide]

ARC is engaging if you're coming from shooters like Battlefield or CoD but if you're coming from actual extraction titles it lacks gear progression and there's not much to do after you build the workbenches and find a couple good blueprints

[mellow charm]

how is more customization and control over your character in a literal Dnd universe dumb? We literally have a half baked gem system atm?

[woven void]

You said customizing your hilt on a sword is control over your character?? Having a hilt affect gameplay is beyond dumb and a waste of time. Games not a kit building sim you’re just asking for more unbalanced gameplay. They need to focus on the actual problems not dumb shit like “custom hilts”

[pallid hemlock]

that sounds awesome

like different weapons being different weapons rather than shit dagger vs unique dagger with arbitrary more damage?

[mellow charm]

exactly and gear in arc raiders mean nothing a lvl4 stitcher clears most purple guns. There version of a wipe and expedition is also bad.

[mellow charm]

exactly having different arrow tips that did different damage like bleed or posion

[woven void]

It’s a PvP game not a kit building sim just go PvP, you must be SDF in disguise with those dumb ideas.

[pallid hemlock]

the game is currently kit building sim.....

[woven void]

Not really? Maybe for you in adventure mode ig.

[pallid hemlock]

it would be infinitely better. you can have preset loadout that automatically buy parts and build the weapon rather than manually searching market and socketing? please

[mellow charm]

most fights come down to gear and positioning so kit building sim is the game like, your that person who says everybody idea is dumb while offering no ideas.

[pallid hemlock]

im talking HR

[agile tide]

#1 possible QoL for DaD would be the ability to set gear stat preferences by slot and one click buy a kit from the market if funds and items were available

[signal igloo]

If I buy legendary status again for steam can I have my account for blacksmith on there? (Can’t use the code thing cus I got it after 2024)

[pallid hemlock]

interesting take. my biggest issue with tarkov is the load times, 4+ minutes for nothing. which games have good gun play?

[unreal obsidian]

so wipe is tomorrow around midnight?

[worthy crest]

Can someone tell me when wipe is please

[unreal obsidian]

@worthy crest timer says 1 day and 14 hours.. butt that's been wrong before

[worthy crest]

Hell yeah thanks bro

[woven void]

Sorry saying fights come down to gear is actually dumb. Came up on 3 artifacts in the past few days with squire kit barb. The game is unbalanced only certain classes need gear to kill geared people. They need to worry about fixing those things instead of adding useless mechanics like arrow tips and hilt customization. I didn’t give any useful ideas? Yeah cause they need to fix what they have before they add new stuff. You’re exactly why the game is in the state it currently is. Down to 1.5k player base because they keep taking dumb advice from troglodytes.

[woven void]

Titanfall and apex both have some the the best gunplay ever made imo.

[mellow charm]

they have spent the last 2 years balancing the game lmao that's why the playerbase left because of simple number turning, and nothing gameplay wise to keep players invested

[pallid hemlock]

what dumb advice had they taken and implemented?

[woven void]

Not at all. Been here since alpha. The player base left because of drastic changes they made instead of balancing. Multi classing was a huge example of that. Druid being added threw the game even more off balance. When they took stats off gear and made it commons the same as uniques.

[pallid hemlock]

they have no response to rats playing off reds. theyre reducing blue portal count/accessibility

[zealous wing]

Yea that part annoyed me, one peg even straight up said like look this is the thing that happens that nobody likes and they’d eee like yea but we need to test stage one, that issue is stage two lmao

[nocturne nest]

dad - bad game , tarkov - good game . player count doesn't lie

[woven void]

Gear score lobbies, squire lobbies, squire to riches, “hardcore” arenas, Druid, multiclassing, taking stats off gear because people though squire should be the same stats as uniques, giving barbarians even more health???? Adding -1 move speed to shadow mask? The things the devs do don’t even make sense like they have zero knowledge about what needs to be balanced so it’s never gonna actually.

[zealous wing]

IM thought process, Red campers bad = make reds take time = but then they will just take Blues = fix blues first

[woven void]

Tarkov is also full of hackers and bots tho, just because a game has players doesn’t make it good. Diablo immortal has 400k players a month and that game is terrible.

[primal oyster]

gj Terry for the quiver achievement! ngl never thought it will ever happen

[woven void]

Dark and darker is by all means a bad game tho I tell all my friends who don’t already play it to stay away.

[astral atlas]

On the 1st day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
A goblin in a pear tree
On the 2nd day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
2 golden gloves, and a goblin in a pear tree
On the 3rd day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
3 pregnant men, 2 golden gloves, and a goblin in a pear tree
On the 4th day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
4 sorcerers, 3 pregnant men, 2 golden gloves, and a goblin in a pear tree
On the 5th day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
5 grimsmile rings! 4 sorcerers, 3 pregnant men, 2 golden gloves, and a goblin in a pear tree
On the 6th day of Wipemas, my duo gave to me
6 rogues a-hiding, 5 grimsmile rings! 4 sorcerers, 3 pregnant men, 2 golden gloves, and a goblin in a pear tree

[signal helm]

Whens wipe any1 know?

[astral atlas]

Tomorrow or the next day

[signal helm]

oh aight ty man

[fervent anvil]

current timer is 1 day 14 hrs

[woven void]

I would expect the game to go down for 24-48hrs on wipe day

[rose mantle]

What would be a good strat for wipe? Bossing?

[proven swift]

anyone actually got the stingray egg or is it just iron mace propaganda like the goblin egg

cuz at this point im willing to believe im watching a looped video of someone killing the boss while they mine bitcoin on my pc

[unreal obsidian]

@rose mantle gold piles and bossing

[rose mantle]

Problem just is every single person will be running to the bosses for their goddamn lives 🥲

[next epoch]

just kill them too, theyll probly be naked

[proven swift]

just rat those people

[mighty ravine]

hallo someone knows when wipe is?

[pallid hemlock]

another season of finesse-based invisibility rogue LEEEETTTTTSSSSGGOOOOOOOO

[earnest current]

In just two days, we'll know whether this game is dead, revived, or simply dying. If it's dead or dying, it's time to find another game to rebuild on, rather than continuing.

Delete Druid or keep buff that shit

[terse nova]

I dont think balance matters that much, multi class was fun for the two seconds it was around, idk how that affected anything

as long as people are people and blame gear or class differences instead of themselves, people are always going to whine in here

I dont think the discord chat is a good barometer for that, yet I have a funny feeling it has been used as one

[earnest current]

want balance just Delete Druid

[vast kayak]

When can we see a graph of player engagement again? Is it time to remove HR and make high tier gear only usable in Arena? Make the Arena the end game. PvE HR was the one thing that made Season 7 the best one yet. I only stopped playing it because I can farm XP faster with normal mobs and wanted to finish a character level 300 achievement.

[pallid hemlock]

id love to see more focus on arena and strict PVP, but SDF wants to you to appreciate all those UE market assets and thrilling dungeon campaign where you can just skip the first 2/3 bosses and head straight to last floor/boss, like a proper campaign

[smoky jetty]

Wipe barb already

[kind thistle]

Does a torch or light disrupt invis? Like if I’m a sorc, holding a torch, will that make rogues appear out of invis

[lunar rock]

not at all

[west wadi]

What an L idea

[west wadi]

Wanderlight is a lantern that can do that but it only shows footsteps like chase perk from ranger
But that's it

[vast kayak]

You mean to the 2% of players that play HR?

[muted pebble]

is it really only 2 thats so sad, i only play hr

[west wadi]

You mean like 60% of the player base?

Unless ur playing from Antarctica or something lmfao

[muted pebble]

yeah was going to say seems like a lot in hr in na

[vast kayak]

You think 60% of the player engagmeents are in HR? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[agile tide]

too many has

[west wadi]

Everyone is in HR for most of this game
If they aren't
They r questing, doing s2r or doing arena

I don't know what ur doing lol

[vast kayak]

I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. They showed a graph of player engagements. S2R might have 60% of the players, another 25% in PvE. Many just join for Arena. HR is not popular except among the rats in the community.

[keen mauve]

Nobody wants to play HR CAUSE of the rats and red door campers

[west wadi]

Again
Na east servers
Everyone is in HR or s2r
But whatever u need to sleep at night

[agile tide]

HR used to be great back in the day 👴🏻

[muted pebble]

yeah like 13 months ago

[keen mauve]

The future is now old man

[agile tide]

Yells at cloud

[rose mantle]

Is it SSF for 3 weeks? So no trading at all?

[agile tide]

Ik people had all sorts of valid complaints about it, but Squire->124->HR was pretty good compared to other things they've tried. Just needed to remove the boss ore/drops from squire to keep the farmers out and it would have been a decent progression for new players

[quick ermine]

solos is cooked rn just hella teamers lmao

[atomic cove]

New wipe new nothingburger lovely, gotta play as long as I can troll people with Faustian and the moment people leave I leave too 👍🏻

Oh and and barb and fighter will be busted again

[quick ermine]

its barb and barber you should know lol

[atomic cove]

Always was

More excited for arc update ngl

[agile tide]

Removing true damage is something I've always wanted, so I'm interested to see if it works out as well as I hope.

[atomic cove]

Well yeah I was vouching for that too

Some good changes but nothingburger still, it's gonna be boring after first month when majority of ppl will leave, MAYBE gathering hall will release, but I doubt it

[spring cave]

Nah when I’ve been playing it’s mainly been Druids and couple rogues then you get like one or two of other classes like 1-2 barbs or fighters that are usually in squire kit then I get the odd other classes but hardly seeing barbs so it isn’t barb and barber it’s mostly Druid and Druider or just rat and ratter with the amount of Druids and rogues

[agile tide]

True damage and headshot nerf are very bad for rogue on paper so you can be happy about that at least lol

[marble ivy]

HR is literally the most played game mode appart from Arena, BY far.

[agile tide]

Not to mention HP reduction

[dense pawn]

@marble ivy Well we can't know for sure, but latest data we have from devs shows that HR was roughly 22% of adventures played (across all 3 team sizes). #sdfs-kitchen message

[rocky magnet]

when wipe guy :3

[dense pawn]

Let's see if it's actually HP reduction, don't forget there is still vigor stat. Who knows what wild take sdf has this time on gear?

I just hope they roll with it and keep rebalancing no matter how bad it is on wipe... instead of just reverting and getting stuck again with a bad system that makes for bad loot (95% of it is junk), is hard to understand (the learning curve for new players is insane with all those stats) and makes balancing any class a nightmare.

[shut mural]

Yeah once people finish grinding Demi for rewards people avoid high roller like the plague. It just isn’t fun. The Ai ruin the mode.

[tall warren]

games finanly dead lol, gg

[dense pawn]

Don't forget it depends heavily on your region and game mode. No use throwing out these assumptions without keeping that in mind.

[tall warren]

finally*

[shut mural]

Who wants to bet the in game timer for wipe is off by 12+ hours like it has since it was introduced?

[agile tide]

Vigor will still exist but it's never been the first choice for HP because of the scaling so there should still be a moderate avg HP reduction on many builds. Depends if this difference is enough to make building it less viable

[neat breach]

So what were results of Q&A.

[tall warren]

games dead

[shut mural]

They are basically going back to how the semi semi wipe was and removing the jumping mobility squishy classes would use to create distance. And a new map for goblin cave.

[tall warren]

gear is meaningless again. I mean if you enjoy everyone being the same skill level regardless of actual skill, and fights feeling unrewarding/dull, then this wipes for you. Lots of people are happy lol

[dense pawn]

Fair. Depending on how much else they change to gear, the hp rolls on good gear might be replaced by base attributes (supposedly you will be able to gem them?) or pdr/mdr, which I think makes for more interesting choices when you make a build (as opposed to just spamming +true and +hp on everything).

Any choice that feels like a must have for almost all builds (like +all, +true+, +hp) is bad game design. I hope the devs finally get gear right, but considering how out of touch some changes have been lately, I am ready to be disappointed again (it's part of the natural cycle for any veteran of this game)

[regal charm]

What mob type drops tanglethreads? Is it a ice spider or ice demon?

[long hornet]

+all and true is mainly for casters, because you need so many stats to be viable when most melees don’t. Barb and fighter don’t even need true that bad because their base damage is so high. Rogues benefit heavily from it though and Druids

[jade depot]

Frostweaver, the ice spider drops tanglethreads

[vast kayak]

It's okay. You are confused about the numbers. Even with the rats skewing the numbers, it's still a very small percentage. Until they figure out how to make the best gear easily attainable, HR will never be popular. For the longest time, there's been highly preferable rolls on gear. Maybe that is changing with S8.

[dense pawn]

I disagree. Bard (with dex builds are common), slayer fighter or any shield build with adrenaline skill also benefit greatly. I would say only class not affected much by true dmg is barb (it's 2-3 hits to kill anyway).

The game's current balance on skills, spells, perks & gear has been shaped for years according to true dmg. They will have to do a lot of rebalancing if they don't revert (I hope they don't).

[sinful gull]

True... we have build a house on a rotten foundation for so long, tearing it down means sleeping on a pile of rubble for a couple of days.. If sdf doesnt flip flop back to his vision and they really tackle true dmg and the toxic classes I will forgive them for mistakes along the way, coming from IMs #1 hater..

[long hornet]

Bard a little more understandable from the surv bow damage increase, but you get rapier additional weapon damage as a perk, you have 2 +1 weapon damage skins ( casters don’t have that still) slayer has a ridiculous amount of action speed and + damage perks. They are just fine without true especially in this low hp for many classes meta.

And who do you normally need the extra damage for? Barbs, pdr fighters, and clerics… lol. The same classes everyone will have a problem with. Cleric should be nuts now too

[dense pawn]

They said they will rebalance attribute stats to compensate. That means the hp, dmg, pdr/mdr, power bonus curves might be different. We can theorize as much as we want, but it all comes down to the actual patch changes. I wish we had a proper wiki because we will all probably be in the dark for the next month in regards to how the stats work.

[smoky jetty]

👏

[long hornet]

As much as I like the idea of it, that will mean very little to casters. Since they nerfed cast speed already, and nerfed magic power, and spell damage has been the same for a long time, why true has been necessary. That’s also not including, the like 10% cast and 10% action speed that would be needed to have no jumping feel even close to what it was while jumping. I don’t think they’re going to do that in-depth with it for casters until they get complaints for months. They didn’t even know about lantern Achilles…

[delicate ether]

Guys I always see a name and TTV how can I find these guys?

[smoky jetty]

[dense pawn]

I am not surprised they didn't know. The patches they have been pushing show to us veterans that they are out of touch. But also they seem to have so much work on their hands. Yes, there have been heavy nerfs on casters in general... but they still performed well (except Sorc, that class was dead this wipe).

But keep in mind that they did these changes taking +true into account. Also taking large hp pools into account. The whole balance will be reset. I just hope they do balance changes fast, because if they don't, a lot of people will quit because of terrible metas. Unfortunately, we get a new meta every wipe, and IMO how fast they balance it is make or break for the early success of the wipe. Sometimes it's 2 weeks, other times it's 2 months, other times they don't even fix it by next wipe...

Balance should be their #1 priority. I believe it's the main reason why people quit, especially in solo/duo. Not because they went through all the content (why I don't understand the hard push for new maps...), but because they get frustrated fighting the same classes over and over and feeling they're at a disadvantage.

[odd barn]

I LOVE FAUSTIAN (sincerely)

The fact that there's always a chance that some random skelly is, in fact, another player

:perfection:

[long hornet]

I still love the game, I’ll play regardless and I do have hopes that eventually everything will be balanced or fixed even if it takes months, or another year. It’s a lot to think about, it’s a lot to code and any change has a ripple effect on every single class with matchups. Sorc was still good but very high skill ceiling the outplay potential is insane you can be nearly untouchable played right. They also gutted 2 playstyles TD and caster lock while adding new playstyles to classes that already had a few viable ones. I do agree balance should be the priority, if they added new spells to lock and wiz to account for the loss of ms and true I think it could make a world of difference, but they didn’t. If they did, then I think it would be a very different story on how people see this wipe going. Learning curve plays a part as well. Its not inherently bad on its own, but if you have to have gear for your class to be properly viable for newer players it raises the barrier to entry to where they’ll play what’s simple and stay with it. Why fighters and barbs are 50% of the player base

[zinc fossil]

so druids can wear prectically nothing and just win one on ones. WHERES THE BALANCE

[dense pawn]

Best content they can add is giving us more builds to play with: either reword existing perks/skills/spells, either add new ones. But one thing is for sure: they don't care at all about what we think. We can only hope that what sdf thinks is best for the game will be fun. See you at wipe

[long hornet]

I think they do care about what we think to an extent, but they’re starting to learn more towards appealing to and trying to keep newer players than keeping current players happy. Slippery slope. Cheers

[atomic cove]

Game is just boring so Faustian is the only way for me bruh

[hazy sable]

If they fix players movements , kiting and all that shit has always been broken + reduce gear gap between tiers the game will become fun again

[steady garnet]

hellloo ironmaaace can we talk about all the cheaters active at the moment in every single map??? helloooooooo we need to punish theeeeem ???!?!? it totally ruins the game , these goldfarming ass cheaters.

make arena open and available no gear loss shit. all items allowed. EZ fix to enjoy the game still at this time .

[azure pasture]

pirannhas gotta be the most annoying fucking mob to fight

[prisma lava]

Kiting is essential bro. How do you expect a caster to win against melee?

[prisma lava]

Worms in hell are a close second

[azure pasture]

validd

[long hornet]

I’ve never understood why people complain about kiting. It’s 10x easier to be the chaser than the kiter

[prisma lava]

Skill issue honestly. Unfort half this discord is buns and can't chase properly. Literally all casters will be curb stomped next wipe depending on how bad the slows are when jumping/casting

[long hornet]

Wow kiting op. Ok, no bunny hopping, kiter casting still op. Ok, nerf cast speed and magic damage. Wow kiting still op ok, remove jumping so you’re a sitting duck. People braindead straight line w key not trying to dodge anything then act suprised.

[steady garnet]

hellloo ironmaaace can we talk about all the cheaters active at the moment in every single map??? helloooooooo we need to punish theeeeem ???!?!? it totally ruins the game , these goldfarming ass cheaters.

[long hornet]

Miss a single skill shot as a wiz, or ranger, or lock and damage yourself and you just die, to 1 hit by someone with almost 2x your hp twice your armor, moves faster and one shots you

[prisma lava]

Yerpppp. Thing is there are just straight up some classes that counter you. Unfortunately the majority of players play melee

[long hornet]

People play what’s simple and gets results. The results of a competitive must win over have fun in gaming meta slave. It happens in many games only play what’s broken and think they’re good from it

[pallid hemlock]

#dev-qna-archives message
i wonder if this was added and we fly too high, do we risk taking excessive fall damage or would it be the standard magic crow status effect?

[prisma lava]

Watch, the number of barbs will sky rocket at the beginning of patch

[long hornet]

Casters are suppose to counter melee but it’s not like that anymore. Fighters can get 65% mdr and spell reflect in base kit. Idk who balanced the rock paper scissors but it just leans more and more to melee

[sinful gull]

that will be a huge thing .. without true vs ironwill or anti magic lock .. lock with pdr+antimag will be lowkey immune to 70% of classes

[prisma lava]

Just all bad for anything other than fighter and barb.
Druids and sorcs have been pretty much gutted, and with the new TM nerfs warlocks seem pretty useless too.
Rangers straight up need a nerf. Praying the headshot and true damage helps abit, but purge with EVERY arrow is insane.

[long hornet]

Druids will be about the same. A lot of high level players don’t use shift mastery, you can still panther chicken jump you just use a different rotation. High level sorc will be a lot worse, they can get a lot of damage in base but the perks and pretty bad. I think though that they’ll get a lot of cast speed from the time distortion replacement and actually be viable.

[sinful gull]

yeah backstep+knockback will be something for sure and purge will take every ms buff that you could use to catch em

[long hornet]

Agreed. Yeah locks can do some crazy melee damage and eat a time of magic from anti. They can run you down heavily and not be nearly as low as you think they are

[smoky jetty]

ggs

[bright forge]

HOLD THE LINE

[frank zinc]

HODOR

[frozen sleet]

[neat breach]

I do hope they work on the balancing, I feel like they were very broad in their responses like last time due to the answers you have all provided. I enjoy the game in HR, Squire to riches, even the PVE (both HR and non) mode has a place (very fun to play with my children).
I have gotten Demi 5 times now, every time being almost a completely different experience. This is another reason I can see people leaving, expectations set the game to be played like this, then rules change etc. I have seen rules, balancing, gear attributes and etc. change dramatically even during the season, again this has occurred more than once.
At one point you could be friendly in HR and face no consequences, I personally still think that should be the players choice. I don't think we should be forced to fight each other, when we can team up to take down large objectives such as map bosses etc. I understand that's not the most popular opinion, but to each their own, so why not allow each other the ability to choose?
Almost every patch the same three classes dominate and they lack balance.
So I would agree that my largest frustration and time spent away from the game, choosing instead to play others was mostly a result of poor balancing. Always dying to the same two or three classes.

[rapid lava]

Hell no not sharing boss loot

[lapis pike]

Buff ball walk down simulator bout to be real fun surely

[pearl venture]

I don't mean to be that guy. But I heard some attributes are being removed. Why do I feel like we are playing musical chairs once again. And is anyone testing ideas before live releases?

[paper copper]

Musical chairs is a pretty fun game

[pearl venture]

It's giving. Stalling impression honestly. Because we've been through this not once but multiple times already.

[leaden peak]

lol nice they are complety gutting Druids

[lapis pike]

They forgot

[vapid oyster]

I mean no instant shapeshift won't even stop the ratting

[opal turtle]

Druids won’t be much different, doesn’t really affect the playstyle

[vapid oyster]

only stops them from flying across an entire module over and over with no cd lol

[leaden peak]

they cant go Trough doors

they cant Panther jump or move across rooms in 2 seconds

[flat granite]

You can rat jump doors without instant shift. The timing is just different :0

Ive also heard its possible to still panther chicken jump but i havent done it yet.

[fringe wigeon]

They can, only with timing

[leaden peak]

guess we will find outt

[vapid oyster]

it's going to be the same shit lol, rat form still completely immune to pve and they will train armies of pve mobs into other players basically be impossible to catch and just slurp up loot and rat away

[long hornet]

Their’s many Druid mains who never used shapeshift mastery to begin with. You can still go through doors, and panther chicken jump the rotation is just different. Panther avoided the nerf chopping block while casters got gutted

[lime jasper]

Is there a new map coming?

[west wadi]

Goblin cave 2nd floor with a lava theme including fire golem boss

[west wadi]

They r removing the perk shape shift and individually targeting panther chicken jumping away

[wraith wigeon]

In Arc Raiders discord rn you’d think sdf released yesterday’s update

[west wadi]

?

[azure pasture]

is the wipe a full wipe on everything?

[opal turtle]

you can with knowledge, and pather jump alone is enough to outrun someone. class will be the same. i doubt they will even follow through with the change mentioned

[west wadi]

....

individually

Targeting panther chicken jump

[rotund marlin]

will arena always be hardcore now or how are they going to work it?

[strong steppe]

when is wipe?

[woeful plume]

Hasn't been announced yet.

[strong steppe]

so we just staying at this shitty fucking season

[woeful plume]

I don't know, I don't make the rules.

[strong steppe]

sdf needs to retire

[west wadi]

That guy chews on corner ignore him
Wipe is Jan 29

[woeful plume]

I don't know what retirement age is in Korea.

[west wadi]

Like
Thursday 1 am est or something to be more specific

[sinful gull]

30-35h from now

[strong steppe]

Brother this guy just completely ignores his community and goes with his own bs. Remove druid or gut it , and get rid of rat gameplay

[woeful plume]

True. But it's his game, best we can do is offer "encouragement". lol

[strong steppe]

best he can do is just quit and maybe drink bleech

Never seen such a great game with such potential get destroyed so quickly

cant wait for barbarians to just hold down w key and now be able to throw their felling axe's at me

[woeful plume]

It's a skill. lol

Microsoft did it with LinksLS...that was my first experience with a company taking a great game and turning it into dogwater.

[vast kayak]

Where's the best place to find new, broke players that have maybe not finished their religion, but have been trying to learn the game?

[frail dome]

but what do they do if they miss the throw lmao

[woeful plume]

You could probably find someone here that fits that bill.

[strong steppe]

thiis guy just trying to add so much new stuff to the game without fixing the things people are quiting because

like I think half the player base returns if druid is completely removed and rogue doesnt get hide

[long hornet]

Of all things I was expecting, I was not expecting them to buff Barb and fighter. They really out of touch with the game

[woeful plume]

True, imo. The game needs more depth, needs a hook of some sort, or it won't last.

[strong steppe]

The game is good as is. Make named items a bit easier to get so more people pvp with them instead of sitting in stashes. remove druid and remove hide or double jump on rogue. (they cant have both) , remove phantomize, or make it easily hittable with magic damage,

[warm kraken]

what time is wipe chat

[frail dome]

at 6;04

[tight cedar]

Are there any new players here?

[paper copper]

I logged in this morning at 08:40AM central time and it said that it was still another day and 15hrs

[strong steppe]

brother there is no way they are expanding maps to 7b7 , going to be SO DEAD

[warm kraken]

crazy that they havent made an announcement about wipe

[woeful plume]

Not true. This game could be huge. Even the pvp sweathoggs will get bored of killing each other with no depth to the game.

[strong steppe]

nah the pvp and bossing is what makes this game different and enjoyable

thats why it was crazy when it came out, now it is completely dead

remove druid and other rat gameplay styles and most of the playerbase comes back

[odd grove]

only ruins for the time being i think

[woeful plume]

A PvP game with no hook almost completely dead....imagine that.

And no one is sitting on their heels waiting for druid to go away so they can come back.

[abstract hazel]

Game is alive

[woeful plume]

I like to say...Life support.

[strong steppe]

Listening to sdf and his dev on the q&a gives me absolutely 0 hope for this game. Yeah I don't even think ima tune in for wipe

[vast kayak]

The Artifact quests were good for the game. Artifacts were cheaper than normal and actually saw people running them in HR. At the end of the day, the rarer they are, the more they will sell for, and the more dishonest tactics you will see in the game. It's not good to make Artifacts harder to get. They should just be restricted to and allowed in Arena only.

[strong steppe]

just make named items more common, price will drop and more people will run them

[rustic pebble]

You know what i want to see? new classes. who tf cares about another map?

[strong steppe]

game couldn't be more dead, lobbies used to be full. now you are lucky to find a duo in decent gear

Water map was a complete dud, completely trash. Nobody cares about new maps. Balancing is terrible, fix balancing, remove ratting/get out of jail free cards, make nameds more common. Ban asian teamers.

[woeful plume]

"Ban asian teamers." lol Wow....everyone else gets a pass then huh?

[strong steppe]

Big dog have you played on us west ever, its legit xiaching zoi, and 4 others all looting skull key together or 4v bossing

[woeful plume]

You dropped it out there, don't try and roll it back now.

[rich slate]

did you watch the Q&A? there balancing a good bit of stuff and doing some much needed adjustments

[strong steppe]

I havent ran into any us teamers this wipe, only asians

And spamcakes, they blatently ignore basically every balancing question that is asked and dance around the questions.

[woeful plume]

On my computer, I have no way to tell what ethnicity someone is.

[strong steppe]

the only decent balancing it seems is warlock. There "goal" to stop rat gameplay is to make "items worth less"

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, just like when sdf made every item legendary to common the same and killed an entire wipe for his dumb "vision"

[agile tide]

Make gold a number and replace gold storage crafting with good boss item crafts, why is DB still an NFT

[rich slate]

Druid to, there making it so the panther jump and ratting isnt as bad

[strong steppe]

Brother there is only one way to fix druid, and everyone has known it for a long time, make it like 3-5 seconds to change forms.

druid either needs to get completely reworked or removed

[rich slate]

true but that would make it so no one plays the class at all

[strong steppe]

Great, make the game actually playable for clerics or fighters, or legit anything else

[woeful plume]

Yes. If they won't allow us to take COMMON coin bag, and they ARE common, you can buy unlimited amounts of them, into a dungeon, then they need to just make gold a number, not a physical thing.

[rich slate]

clerics are OP as shit rn

[strong steppe]

If the class can either be SUPER BROKEN, or NOBODY PLAYS IT, based on one ability. It probably shouldnt exist in the first place

That is legit the opposite of balance\

[azure socket]

anyone here nows when the wipe is?

[rich slate]

In my opinion everything is pretty balanced between each other besides rouge and druid

[woeful plume]

Hasn't been announced yet.

[rich slate]

1 day and 9 hours

[strong steppe]

Clerics are not broken at all, you get destroyed by wizards, rogues, druids, sorcs, rangers. There is only one viable way to play cleric which is smite and dp and you have 0 range with that. you also get smoked by weakpoint rogues.

[rich slate]

i was 60% PDR and got 2 shot by a cleric in grey gear

[strong steppe]

maybe build mdr so smite doesnt smoke you, thats a skill issue

[woeful plume]

Are you blocking with your face??

[rich slate]

yes i am actually

[woeful plume]

Well there you go. That's the only way those numbers add up.

[strong steppe]

Rogue needs mega nerfs still, druid needs to get completely reworked or removed, barbarian needs some minor nerfs, warlocks phantomize needs to be hittable through with magic dmg.

[rich slate]

I was being sarcastic

[woeful plume]

Ahhh...gotcha.

[strong steppe]

Bard actually probably needs some buffs to be able to hold up in pvp again

[long hornet]

Barb needs a lot more than minor nerfs g

[rich slate]

well bard aint getting touched for like the next 4 seasons

[woeful plume]

Cleric has a huge advantage against undead. I'm not sure that makes them OP in any fashion though.

[strong steppe]

Yeah they havent done a thing to bard in like 3 seasons

one of the coolest classes and they've completely ignored it

[austere geyser]

Like which ones? lollll

[rich slate]

they said they arent planning on doing anything to it but they are changing every other class

[strong steppe]

like crazy

[long hornet]

Wiz and cleric get nothing at all this season

[strong steppe]

Cleric and wiz were lowkey in good places this season, i dont think they need any balancing

[long hornet]

Wiz is going to be terrible now

[strong steppe]

its other classes that need to be balanced properly to match cleric and wiz properly

[woeful plume]

Arrows and bolts...both should require mining stone and chopping down trees. Frenchies, knives, etc...same thing. Game needs more depth.

Or...better idea...using current minerals to create arrows with different effects.

Make Diamonds give a max roll.

[late moat]

hey i have quick question do someone have some biss left before wipe and would like to give it to me ?

[strong steppe]

I think there is some pretty basic changes they could make that would really help, mostly concerning druid and rogue that would bring most of player count back. they just refuse to acknowledge that druid was a failure of a class

[long hornet]

Silence shouldn’t be a thing. 0 counter play for casters you just die

[leaden sequoia]

they literally opened up the changes with "we're nerfing druid transform time" though. the playerbase is just terminally salty.

[long hornet]

You can still panther chicken jump it’s just a different rotation. Now Druid will also have all heal spells, it’s actually a huge buff when people get use to it

[woeful plume]

Druid is a legit class...but they implemented it horribly.

I want to fight a giant snake skeleton as a boss.

[rich slate]

i play ranger and I think it could be balanced better, espically with purge shot

[rancid marten]

does the test server still get anything before the main server or did it get left in the dust?

[woeful plume]

Dust

Test is always behind Live server.

[leaden sequoia]

I'm going to take the most controversial and extreme opinion: I think D&Der is an alright game, and getting better.

[woeful plume]

Not sure why they do it that way...but there you go. lol Cart before the donkey.

[azure hawk]

The one where Druid rat squeaks automatically, thankfully removing that next patch

[rich slate]

it is a good game, but the dev is just not the best at listening to his community

[long hornet]

It’s a fantastic game, their’s nothing like it. Balancing can just be a mess

[rich slate]

yea, remember when barb was unkillable and could one shot everyone, absolute shit show

[long hornet]

Wym? Thats still basically barbs now

[rich slate]

no like it used to be way worse

[sonic maple]

Plenty of us do Asian names for fun

[long hornet]

I watched a 150 hp wiz streamer yesterday get one tapped by a squire barb

[rich slate]

well thats bcs wiz cant get like any pdr

[long hornet]

Understandable. But still, 150 full legendaries to someone in grey gear you shouldn’t get one shot. That’s terrible balancing

[woeful plume]

Balance your build > balance between classes.

[sonic maple]

@minor fractal

[rich slate]

i mean a barb in squire gear can still do like 110-120 damage maybe more with a headshot if they have the right skills and perks

[long hornet]

Reckless and rage. You one shot pretty much any squishy while in squire your hp doesn’t matter

Throw on 2 knowledge rings corner camp with invis and you’re getting bis wearing piss

[rich slate]

lol

i think barbs should remain how they are with damage but be much slower

that way you can have some spacing

[woven matrix]

its been ~9 months since i last played. is it worth coming back for next wipe?

[long hornet]

Barb has multiple abilities that give move speed

[rich slate]

honestly yea, i came back from like 5 months for it

[rich slate]

i think they should be taken away then

[long hornet]

They at the least, need to make barbs fighters and clerics not be able to wear loose trousers or light foots. That would be a good step

[woven matrix]

druid is 90% of why i havent been playing

[long hornet]

They aren’t going anyway anytime soon

[rich slate]

yea, i find it crazy that a pdr fighter can catch up to me when im running move speed and agility

[rich slate]

well there nerfing it a lot

[long hornet]

The slow of a crossbow is better than wizards slow spell. Make it make sense

Full plate can catch you if they within like 8 meters and crossbow you

[open flume]

Sorry if this has been asked but is wipe and patch this Thursday the 29th?

[woven matrix]

honestly they need to delete rat from the game

[rich slate]

yea, but it is hard for them to change things because it all affects something else for some reason

[woeful plume]

I'd like to see them max move speed at 300, for all classes.

[rich slate]

yea, it should be unless delayed

[woven matrix]

that would suck

[open flume]

Thank you!

[woeful plume]

Why? Can't play without that extra 30?

[woven matrix]

yall remember when max movespeed was 450?

[long hornet]

Each class needs ms caps. Casters 335 rogue and Druid 330 melees 325

[rich slate]

there should be a perk for the heavy classes to increase the MS

[open flume]

Excited for the changes

[long hornet]

Oh wait, they have a ton of those

[woeful plume]

Sure, but it maxes at 300. So if the armor takes them down to 280...their perks/skills push them to 300.

[rich slate]

they should be pretty nice, a lot of balancing coming to gear

[woven matrix]

it would be so easy for a plate fighter to get max ms with weapons out no sprint

[opal chasm]

wipe hype

[long hornet]

Fighters can hit 330 in plate in base. You have swift sprint and adrenaline all giving ms

[open flume]

Yep I’m excited for the removal of ms and +all no true I think those are solid changes also the Druid nerf and tm nerf are pretty good because it’ll eliminate the chase

[rich slate]

i dont know if your saying if thats a good or bad thing for it to go back to 300

[woeful plume]

Maybe, if you build it that way...but then you come in here complaining about getting 2 tapped by a cleric in squire gear because your build revolves around MS.

[long hornet]

Sprint and adrenaline alone is 40ms

[woeful plume]

Neither good or bad...just evens things out and solves a lot of problems.

[woven matrix]

youre confusing me for someone else

[woeful plume]

Probably...my bad.

[long hornet]

Going to 300 is bad. Because the melee classes have all the movement abilities

[woven matrix]

i wish i saved all my medal clips

[woeful plume]

My point is...if you build MS, you probably ARE going to get two tapped. If you build PDR...you're probably not going to catch that rogue.

It's the builds.

[long hornet]

Catching a rogue as a fighter doesn’t matter. He will have to poke you for 10 minutes to die. When you 2 tap him with ease

All you do is sit in a doorway to force a push and he’s just dead

[sullen urchin]

play rogue and you are gonna realize that isnt that broken when every mob hit is half hp

[rich slate]

yea, its really annoying and stupid as shit that a rouge can put out more damage then a fighter or barb

[long hornet]

That’s caster lock, and wiz too wym

[near rose]

So what's broke four season 8 so far that we know

[long hornet]

You read it backwards. lol fighters and barbs easily kill rogues

[rich slate]

for me its the other way around

[rich slate]

warlocks cant heal to max anymore

[sullen urchin]

barb and fighter

[long hornet]

My first ever experience in this game was getting spawn rushed as a squire barb by a full epic rogue and I one shot him

Barb is ridiculous

[rich slate]

good and bad dependsing on how you look at it

[near rose]

That's sounds weird

[rich slate]

lol

[long hornet]

People will just poke you and you’ll be forced to spam heal. Frannys boss on fighters and rangers.

[rich slate]

like if they get 1 hp from there spells they can heal to max but if they get 1 hp from a player or mob they cant heal to max

[edgy ingot]

Anyone know the time of wipe i know its in 2 days

[rich slate]

it goes off of the bar that you can heal to with bandages

[near rose]

Trust the vision

[rich slate]

im pretty sure its at 1am

[rich slate]

HR maps are going to be locked depending on your rank

[twilit swift]

what does goblin's quest line gives?

[rich slate]

increases how much gear you get back from recovery

[near rose]

How tf he thinks we going to play if we can't play what we want

[twilit swift]

i mean cosmetic rewards

[rich slate]

idk, like youd have to be wander to play goblin caves