game-discussion

[errant musk]

Remove teaming.

[cobalt mirage]

lol game is so dead

[foggy rain]

How do I Sorcerer and not feel awful in PVE? It feels like I need an absurd amount of resources and effort to do what pretty much any other class can do easily.
Even with dumping everything into Will for magic damage and Knowledge for casting speed, it takes multiple spells and merge spells to kill stuff.
I'm trying out using Lightning Mastery with Lightning Sphere and crystal sword with will and dex focus and that at least feels like I can reliably kill stuff and block, but it's basically just being a melee character with extra steps.
Either sorc is immensely gear-dependent to get anything done as a pure spellcaster or I'm seriously missing something. I'm going to assume the latter.

[gusty sentinel]

sorc is one of the highest dps against pve

[errant musk]

U have two one hit spells bro, use them

[warm sable]

the merge spells for elemental bolt and spear will both 1 tap most mobs at least with a head shot

[foggy rain]

Do I have to be using specific perks to make that happen? And what do I do while those are on cooldown?

[warm sable]

nah, can I send a screenshot to you of my class layout

[foggy rain]

sure

[timber imp]

Yup just spectated two dudes helping each other in solo Hr east in hell. I'm good.

[gusty sentinel]

skill issue

[timber imp]

Took you like 10 years to type that dude.

[gusty sentinel]

was typing something else dillpecker

[timber imp]

Elaborate how two dudes teaming in solo mode is a skill issue?

[dim aurora]

yo when is wipe 👀

[timber imp]

Like what's duo mode then

[gusty sentinel]

if u had enuff skill u could take 100 men in every hole bud

[warm sable]

#the-tavern message

[dim aurora]

appreciate it big dawg

[timber imp]

You're not fucking real lmao

[foggy rain]

Okay so whoever said that ele bolt 1taps most mobs with headshot, I call bullcrap
It's not even oneshotting basic frost wolf, had to follow it up with Thorn of Earth to confirm kill
Unless I need like 50+ will and full spec into magic power to pull that off, at which point it's ridiculous I need to headshot it to get said kill
Especially don't see how it'll be practical to use in HR pve

[dim aurora]

different enemies have different resistances btw

[timber imp]

This game attracts the worst people.

[dim aurora]

true that

[warm sable]

frost wolves have more HP than most mobs. 160 HP according to this
https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Monsters#:~:text=Frost Wolf

If you want, focus your squire gear on will instead of knowledge. you'll miss out on a spell tho

[foggy rain]

I remember hearing that the wiki tends to be out of date on a lot of things so I don't typically use it
In any case I'll give it another few whirls and see if I can make it work

[vapid oyster]

different mobs have difference resists and weaknesses to magic as well, so like harpies are weak to air magic for example, you def can't just one shot ele bolt everything

[gusty sentinel]

wrong

[vapid oyster]

[elfin fern]

i'm positive he's not wrong; why does a single ice bolt kill a demon dog

berserkers die pretty quick to ice magic too

[gusty sentinel]

also wrong they only have health and is measured by how big their cok is

[vapid oyster]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Monsters

this gonna be good lol

[gusty sentinel]

they gotta stop adding weapons that reposte makes me not want to play when i die to base kit bards in full turbo

[vapid oyster]

kek

[elfin fern]

riposte was ass before but i do agree it is stupid powerful rn

rips the shit out of bosses which is really nice

only just now started to solo warlord this season lmao

[timber imp]

@glad thunder should give me the ability to ban players in solo

[gusty sentinel]

why would anyone want to fight someone who just spams reposte i get its a hardcore game but no one likes that shit besides the player who gets free loot

[vapid oyster]

[elfin fern]

hold m2 is free loot for opp if you do it badly. even so i do think they need to make it like smash bros where you cant just hold it down

[timber imp]

Now that's the true definition of skill issue you fraud

[gusty sentinel]

then they add it to characters like bard where when they shriek they can be in base kit and its like theyre running viola absolute bad game developing

cant run from them because theyre max movespeed with weapon out in base kit 😂

[elfin fern]

bard base kit is like 313 tops. even with jolly time that'd max out at 323 which they have to chug a beer to achieve. then you put on rapier and that's 308

[stone oak]

did they fix the bug with jolly?

[vapid oyster]

ya

[elfin fern]

yes we have the zoomies

[vapid oyster]

jolly time bard in s2r is very strong but you're not actually hit max ms

[jagged kelp]

In Smash do you have to time your block/parry with the enemy attack? I wonder if the desynch in DaD is too bad for riposte to be timing based.

[elfin fern]

the proc is like a quarter second, stays active for like a second, and then has an ending animation during which the player is vulnerable

[vapid oyster]

just don't call it end lag

[gusty sentinel]

just doesnt make sense to riposte my heavy weapon bad game developing

like being slammed by a car but since you have a rapier youre immune to damage

[elfin fern]

they would just space and kite you instead if there was no riposte

[gusty sentinel]

thats how the games supposed to be played bud

[elfin fern]

i guess? having no option to fight up close against big dumb sword guy feels bad

now people have to aim their w keys and hold m2s. it's still bad but at least it's better than 100% stat checking

[vapid oyster]

the cope

[gusty sentinel]

i just dont understand why they would add something like reposte, add more damage on top of a regular attack then add two faster swings to it and not make it hard to use. wonder why the player base quit when players run at you and instantly hold reposte instead of actually fighting you

one swing would make more sense but the second swing is no longer a reposte its tweeking on met h

[vapid oyster]

[fervent anvil]

dont hit the sword.

[gusty sentinel]

rapier blocks the whole player model even though its thinner then ur coc

fix hitboxes nd maybe the playerbase will come back

[mental current]

when is wipe

[fervent anvil]

sometime in january

[reef kettle]

i wish every single rogue wasn't a sweat :(

[grim zinc]

I see a ton of talk about Druid dominating solos in here. I see almost no talk about it in sweatlord solo discords. All of the talk about druids there are the GC rats.

Personally, it seems horrendous when I fight shifter druid teams in Trios as support cleric. In Duos they still have really good access to me, but their damage is so much lower than it was 6 months ago.

Is the frustration that they're the best reset class?

[elfin pulsar]

Hey guys just I have a question, when is wipe?

[grim zinc]

January.

[elfin pulsar]

Muchas gracias I am assuming it probably late January

[sour hollow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2hTNomCfook?si=o07jF3_PjRUlH857

[gusty sentinel]

u run into your counter 75% of the time its kinda weird. switch classes kit up and ran into the counter for that class.

[reef kettle]

druids are annoying asf but honestly i think rogues might be worse

if they work with their team well

[fringe garnet]

For me, yes, the frustration with Druid is caused by their ability to reset.

And bear form in general feels really tanky, but maybe that's because Longsword's just been nerfed so much

[vapid oyster]

druids still annoying but at least the limited heals with shapshift mastery nerf happened

[indigo valve]

flamestrike and eq

[indigo valve]

get across a module with one transformation so yea its some of it

[gusty sentinel]

make druid only have one transformation slot

[reef kettle]

is it just me or is the riposte area kind of large?

[gusty sentinel]

oh yeah shriek cut throat bard with riposte these new players arent going to know whats coming 😂

[halcyon jewel]

Does anyone know where to buy gold coins? I need 100,000.

[fluid arrow]

you can move and loot now? wow this could be the best thing theyve added in a while

[grim zinc]

Yeah gtfo of here.

[indigo valve]

😭

[gusty sentinel]

lobbys so dead u can just que every game with ur buddy

[fluid arrow]

has wipe been announced yet

@whole acorn any date on the wipe

[grim zinc]

January.

[fluid arrow]

they need to make their wipes like 1 month shorter to keep the game more active

[indigo valve]

Games dead anyways

No good updates at all or balance changes

Rogue Druid ranger barb still op

[shrewd island]

Game is so dead lol

[cyan sundial]

The game is full of cheaters right now

[dull vapor]

one of the reasons im still red named is probably because i constantly tell people im going to report them

[cyan sundial]

Yea I’ve ran into a lot of sus people today and I like to run good gear but what’s the point

[obtuse agate]

Huh, the tooltip for Agility still says it impacts Regular Interaction Speed

[indigo valve]

And teamers bro

No point in running kits

[cyan sundial]

That is annoying but people with reach hacks, wall hacks and in normals running into a base team that does an insane damage due to cheats is even more annoying

Yea it just sucks to grind all wipe and every game it’s some sus bs

I stay out of high rollers because of cheaters and even normals is full of them i guess that’s just gaming these days

[indigo valve]

Yea fr ran into this cleric w cheats earlier

Death cam was insane

[cyan sundial]

I ran into a cleric and fighter today in duos that was definitely cheating and I always try to not assume but it was way to obvious

It just makes the same not enjoyable I’m cool with getting skill gaped but blatantly cheating makes me wanna not even play anymore

Game*

[brave sorrel]

why is my game saying i cant connect to the servers over and over again and not giving any error codes

[cyan sundial]

Make sure you are on the correct server if you are just wait a min or restart

[cyan sundial]

Mine has been doing it to every once In a while

[silent notch]

go into s2r as druid, haven't been on in a while.

teammates die and quit so cant rez. I could leave but momma didn't raise me to quit

find a couple folks who start shooting at me. make successful charisma check and find they had 1 teammate quit. teach them how to merge groups.

successfully be last one in dungeon, extract with quest items. life is good.

[brave sorrel]

i restarted pc didnt work

[brave sorrel]

how do i check my server

[cyan sundial]

Right above where you pick which map

[brave sorrel]

but i cant get in the game 🙁

[cyan sundial]

Ohh okay you gotta run it as administrator In task manager

[cyan sundial]

I run mine from the blacksmith my desk top shortcut does the same thing as what your going through but my buddy said if you do what I said above you’ll be good

[brave sorrel]

huh

[brave sorrel]

how do i do this im not very bright

[cyan sundial]

Try launching from the blacksmith and not shortcut first

[brave sorrel]

ok

[cyan sundial]

Lmk if it works my shortcut is bugged as well but if I run from the blacksmith it works

[brave sorrel]

wait but will i still have legendary i bought it thru steam

[cyan sundial]

Ahhh I don’t run it through steam I bought the game before

[brave sorrel]

dang

[small wren]

hey guys, whats player count

[cyan sundial]

Look up how to run something in administrator in task manager in Google

[elfin fern]

his stats aren't looking good doc. we've got 2.5k/2.3k. we've administered copium and he's stabilizing, but it's been hours and the markers haven't improved

[cyan sundial]

Lately I’ve been lucky to see 2k players in dungeon

[small wren]

awesome,when dp we thinK hes gonna die

[brave sorrel]

Alr thanks

[elfin fern]

probably like 3 wipes from now

[cyan sundial]

I dm you stuff that might help you as well

[brave sorrel]

Thanks

[zinc totem]

i wont play this until it gets back to atleast 20k. but now the game is weird and niche its unplayable for a new player. sad to see, fun game gg

[clear atlas]

kinda wish I could migrate to steam ;p but im stuck with blacksmith

[silent notch]

how so? you got a steam ban or something? lol

[indigo valve]

remove druid

[sonic maple]

🐑

[zinc totem]

plaeyd the game when it realeased and watched it slowly die. yes if the game is dead im not playing. have fun lil bro

[clear pendant]

This game could have 6k online everytime and would be playable anyway

[sonic maple]

Calling people lil bro doesn't make you seem like a big bro

[zinc totem]

but playing this game is lil bro energy

[clear pendant]

I know people that played w0w privat servers with 4k-8k pop for years, when w0w needs more players than dad

[sonic maple]

If it's too hardcore for you arc is right there

[zinc totem]

lvl 40 in tarkov rn game wiped 4 weeks ago

[indigo valve]

ur in the discord bro

[zinc totem]

had the discord before you lil bro, wating on them to fix the game and use this to make of yall and see what chagnes have been made. have fun with slop lil bros

[sonic maple]

Id play tarkov if I didn't play 10 years of cod

[abstract hazel]

Game died 🥺

[obtuse agate]

When is the Otto nameplate coming back to the store? I missed it the first time around 🙁

[rapid dawn]

when wipe

[errant musk]

LilUziFan and ImTazmanian teaming in norms solos na east

Blue gemmed out just stealing kits from everyone

[bold crown]

Can someone answer my question

[naive coral]

[clear pendant]

Csb

[marble yoke]

@bold crown what was your question?

[elfin fern]

did you ever fight grandpa? i forgot to remind you both

[sour gyro]

Anyone know when next wipe is supposed to be?

[marble yoke]

I'm just too lazy to scroll up and see his question.

[clear pendant]

Na no way, i genunialy respect grandpa, and dueling him is not worth it

If i win i won a 60 years old guy so who cares, if i lose i would kms

[magic bane]

Hello guys, i have buy the game on blacksmith 1 years ago. Now i want to play on steam. How can i link my account ? I have already click on pass and play with my new steam account

[hazy latch]

rdy when u r bbgirl

[clear pendant]

No way you really pay atention to this discord chat retired sir!

[hazy latch]

I personally wouldn't be playing video games if I were your age and then saying this.

Life is far too good to be young and playing fuggin video games

[clear pendant]

You are right, imagine wasting your life playing a game managed by sdf ultravision

[hardy dawn]

what are people using to store currency these days i heard keys arent it anymore

[prisma horizon]

deathbloom/chest

[hardy dawn]

how much does a chest go for

[prisma horizon]

i think something like 30k atm

[silent musk]

Can someone show me the arena equipment? I want to see a ranger or a fighter.

[hazy latch]

check market
chest is probably worth 15k~ rn
a db is worth 2 full + 1 lad and a lad is 2 full chests roughly
so
100k for a db
50k for a lad
15-17k for empty chest+10k if full, 25k, the quarter of gold storage

prices have dropped considerably though and other items are about to sky rocket, enjoy

[hardy dawn]

thanks im slow i shouldve just checked the market buddy gave me a free chest a while back and im not really using it and know wipe is coming up so thought maybe id trade it off so i can lose a few kits

[hazy latch]

save it for a little and buy another one and keep doing that
games pretty low pop and you can earn gross gold fast ez
can find yourself sitting on top of a few chests in just a hour or two worth of focused grinding

key room farming probably get you 7-9k per game if in hr

2 games = 1 chest
4 games = 2 chest
6 games = 1 lad
12 games = 1/3rd any artifact
36 games = fulgor etc

[clear pendant]

We need something to replace skull keys

[hazy latch]

dbs work just fine?

[clear pendant]

No because i cant sell those dbs for gold

As you said its 100k you cant sell it in marketplace

[hazy latch]

itll probably suck next season if they dont introduce another item like egg for it to be broken apart
but this season its still fast to liquidate because of the amount of people trying to convert
was watching some of the merchants artifact quantitities that were selling the egg, im sure they had no shortage of gold/need to convert a db down into lad, then into chests like its nothing

[tawny cape]

how is the game rn? is it worth it to play again

[clear pendant]

Adding marketplace to the game was one of the best improvements of this game, posting items or using collector discord is so boring and you still need that for expensive items

I dont mind db being the currency for expensive items, but you should be able to post that exchange ingame

[lean crest]

They've done a pointless patch and added anonymity to the cheaters they temp ban and are planning a space map

[hazy latch]

bladehand rekking me harder than any boss rn

[odd grove]

just IM protecting their most loyal customers

[delicate ether]

Best class for ghost king?

[vagrant fulcrum]

Bard is a great class for bossing thanks to Shriek of Weakness.
To learn it you can try Rogue with double-jump until you get the jump timing right
Classes with polearm allows more range = don't have to step into a pool to attack it. Warlock with Halberd, for example. Also TM allows to heal over time to practice longer.

[hazy latch]

no gear? gear? hr? solos? personally phantomize boc lock in hr is choice because of the amount of people waiting to landmine you on feast

[delicate ether]

Gear,hr، solo

What about cliric putting undead damage on everything

[hazy latch]

What about it? If you're going to go play pvp hr and try and go gk with udb%, you're gonna be at serious risk, especially on already one of the slowest classes in game.

[delicate ether]

Yeah bard is good for all bosses, but I'm looking for best class for ghost King

[hazy latch]

I think you'll be dead pretty quick and nobody is gonna pick up that gear.

Best class is Warlock - Anti Magic + Infernal Pledge

[grizzled meteor]

Druid is safest for solo hr gk cause you can cheese the mechanics and most importantly suck phase which is most dangerous to get thirded on.
After that cleric w debuff since it can also kinda cheese suck.
After that fastest classes to kill it are bard rogue

[delicate ether]

You are right, but I already fought a geared bard and barb and won, I don't was it because they are bad or I played it good

[vast lotus]

yo any1 else having issues with rightclick - it doesn't change my potions to the utility slot anymore. does anyone know how to fix it?

[hazy latch]

press alt and try again
dont hold it, see if keys are stuck

[vast lotus]

works

[delicate ether]

Yeah, being slow in ghost king is really bad

[vast lotus]

ty man

[hazy latch]

[reef kettle]

cant tell if legendary edition was the best or worst 30 dollars of my life

[swift grove]

how does druid cheese suck phase? thought they nerfed treant succ forever ago. it doesnt even eat lich orbs anymore

[hazy latch]

only thing i can think of is dreamwalking on a landmine first hit and walking passed the pvp during feast

which, idk if cuthroat poops on dw, phant needs a cast

[swift grove]

cutthroat mostly poops on dw, yeah. unless you're built for buff+debuff dur, they last about the same time

in my kit specifically tailored for high buff+debuff I can get 1 spell off before im forced to fight

[hazy latch]

then yeah i'd still put my money on warlock phant over druid cheese for feast phase because i can at least rely on my ears and torches over having to eat a potential ct

[swift grove]

druid STILL shits on GK but only because shapeshift mobility. chicken 3xjump trivializes the jump phase and pantherchicken pounce trivializes the chase

plus self heal for the screams

[hazy latch]

ye, definitely needs less time in needing gear to vs gk down np

[swift grove]

but like... you're not avoiding any mechanics. unless something changed or reverted and im unaware

for a brief period you could glitch GK chase with pantherchicken pounce. he'd just stand there til it was over. but they fixed that within ~1 week

[grizzled meteor]

You can chicken jump on the statues on the edges of the arena and the boss will just be stuck in place during the feeding phase while you're fully safe up there.

[swift grove]

good info, i didn't know that. ty!

[hazy latch]

thats actually pretty nutty, rogues with dj crying

[swift grove]

glad I didn't go at @grizzled meteor like they didn't know wtf they were talkin about

learned smth

[hazy latch]

but even so, what if it gets patched/unintended

[grizzled meteor]

makes gk super safe don't have to be worried about some guy pushing at a point time while you're getting chased

and they can't even get to you up there so you just wait 10 sec till phase is over

[swift grove]

can you shift human on the statue in case you want to grief them with invis?

asking for a PVE enjoyer who runs illusory

[gusty sentinel]

they didnt fix pve mob bodys they still fly like they on coco

[swift grove]

its hilarious til you needed something off one of em

[gusty sentinel]

not a peasant i dont loot lower tier mobs

[grizzled meteor]

Pretty sure you cant it's pretty narrow so don't think you can shift human.

[grizzled meteor]

It's certainly unintended but few people know about it but it'll prob get patched eventually

But as of right now having safe suck cheese, taking minimal damage from screams by jumping away and just having great mobility in general in case things get ugly definitely makes druid best solo gk class

And also good dps

[swift grove]

panther doesnt even get hit by GK's projectiles if you press S when he sends em. its silly

[cinder tulip]

guys a question, if i que arena with the items that were found by my alt, do i still lose them? do i have to only que with the items specifically found by the char that i que with?

[timber sand]

when is wipe???

[wraith wigeon]

Is now a good time to start playing?

[vagrant fulcrum]

You can queue with any items that is within the quality cap.
You will only lose items upon defeat.
Items kept are items crafted by the current character, found by the current character or earned (via level reward tokens) by the current character.
Trading or using the Shared Stash between characters or using the Expressman to extract an item will result in the item not being labeled as found by the current character.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Expected January, see #📢announcements

[timber sand]

were in announcements

[vagrant fulcrum]

Now is a good time, imo.
You will get to learn the game before the wipe; less players means less unwanted PvP. This gives you the time to learn the mechanics.

[vagrant fulcrum]

This specific message : #📢announcements message
Keep an eye on that channel for when the official exact date will be announced!

[split wadi]

I feel like I've seen a decent amount of new folks popping in lately

[vagrant fulcrum]

There is a 30% discount on the Legendary Status, so it's a good time to try the game and see if you like it, and then purchase the status at a discount

[split wadi]

We must find and defend the timmies. Help them grow strong

[warm olive]

when this ssf shit going away

if i know at the beginning of the season, ill actually do my quests and Not spend 100k on like 5 gas purple kits for arena lol xD

now i have to do my quests to make ssf gear and im way behind the curve

compile them into a giga legendary kit and lose it first match xD

[lost seal]

why the game is so delayed

[split wadi]

It's weird because that was his original vision and now he's afraid to make it happen. Even just making characters with a special "ssf" flare to show off that the character has a disabled marketplace would be enough for a lot of people to do it.

[wraith wigeon]

nah, I want relentless pvp with at least 20k players

[late locust]

The game needs to add a player cap, 4 teams in session and open the red extraction portals in mid-game.

[late locust]

It's a very frustrating experience to win a fight against another team, only to be attacked immediately by a second team, and then a third. When you die and go to the spectator screen, you often see that there are still 5 or 6 other teams left in the lobby. The beginning of the match feels far too chaotic and crowded.

On the other hand, sometimes the exact opposite happens. After the red static exits open, almost everyone leaves. You're left wandering around in a completely dead lobby, with no idea if there's even a single other team left on the server.

Also, the spawn system needs to be changed. It feels terrible when a new team spawns in the exact same location where you started just a few minutes earlier. They can just follow your trail and easily third-party you when you're weak after a fight. I think this mechanic is very unfair and unrewarding for everyone involved

[indigo valve]

Another great idea that won’t be implemented

[keen osprey]

When does the season end?

[keen osprey]

The first one is just a "problem" in every battle royale game
Second, idk, that's just how people play, some have quests in lower floors or they are looking to kill bosses
for the last thing, that's why a lot of people close the doors after entering a room
I'm not saying you are not valid, but nothing of those thing should be fixed imo

[late locust]

I truly hope the developers hear us. I think they already know what the majority of the player base wants them to change in the game. I'm not sure why these changes aren't being made. Perhaps the reason is to attract new players — they are trying to "make the game easier" for this purpose: enabling instant matchmaking, simplifying mechanics, all to "appeal to new players."

But this won't save the game. What will save it is something else: interesting and well-designed quests, clear guides for beginners. I remember my first days in Dark and Darker very well. I understood absolutely nothing: what to do, how to play, where to go. In comparison, when I logged into ARC Raiders, the game immediately greeted me with a tutorial that explained the basics: how to extract, what to loot, how to act. It's a huge difference.

The "PvE" and "From Rags to Riches" modes are the best things the developers have added recently for newcomers. It's the right step. The main task now is not to simplify the game's core, but to attract new players through marketing and improve their first experience.

Here's what's needed for that:

1. A strong first impression: A built-in starter tutorial for each class.
2. Retaining new players: Interesting quests with clear goals and adequate rewards.
3. The ability to experiment: Give a player at least two available character slots from the start, not just one, like it is now.

Because it's crucial for a new player to try different classes at the beginning of their journey. Imagine: they play for a day, farm a lot on a Barbarian, and the next day they keep getting killed by Wizards. What will they want? Of course, to try playing as a Wizard themselves. But they will see that to do so, they need to delete their leveled-up Barbarian and all his gear. Do you think they'll want to keep playing after that?

[vast lotus]

#📢announcements message

[late locust]

That's why I say that the red should open at least in the middle of the match. Trust me, closing doors doesn't always help. It's still obvious where you ran to.

[lost willow]

bro anyone wants full fighter demon glee build pls im poor looing for quic sell

[wraith wigeon]

This is skill issue, my friend. If after kill team you get third party, then hide, heal up, and fight next team.

[late locust]

After a fight, you often lose one teammate. 2 vs. 3 is a loss in most cases.

[keen osprey]

idk, I honestly like it that way, I would be wasting too much time and risking more if I was forced to stay longer in a place where I have nothing to do

[main raven]

Third parties happen, but lets not pretend like continuous dungeons haven't make third parties so much worse

[late locust]

I remember one match where we died in the same location we spawned in. Three teams ran into us one after another. We won the first two, but by the third, I ran out of spells and my teammate was killed. We simply had no chance.

[main raven]

Imagine if Tarkov randomly chose the time at which you entered a particular raid, and then once you realize how awful that would be, advocate to get this shit kicked out of DaD

[keen osprey]

a tutorial would be too much, would ruin the learning curve
Quests are fine the way they are, giving more rewards wouldn't change much
And for the third one, I don't see the point in that other than to have a main class, cuz you still wouldn't be able to interchange your stuff with your other character since you wouldn't have the shared stash

[main raven]

I do feel like the free to plays should have 2 or 3 charater slots. They still can't access most of the game, and if they want multiple characters right now they can just make several Steam accounts and do the same shit

[foggy rain]

Anybody have advice on always spawning in the Wolf Den on forgotten castle? Feels like a DPS race, as soon as one wolf is aggro every wolf in the area is on you. Seems like they just ignore shields most of the time and strafing them barely works either.

[keen osprey]

That's a thing tho, when playing scav

[late locust]

Yes, I forgot about the shared stash. It should also be added for players without Prime status.

[keen osprey]

No

[silent spruce]

jump while strafing to avoid wolves

[silent spruce]

jump to the side when they're about to hit you and they shouldnt be able to hit you

[main raven]

Scavs spawn late, but they get a free kit with zero risk and are effectively designed to take the scraps left behind by other players.

"Taking the scraps" shoudn't be the norm if you spawn four minutes late in Dark and Darker

[silent spruce]

just need to learn the timing

[late locust]

Why not?

[main raven]

Tarkov maps also have an ungodly amount of loot items, and its impossible for the PMCs to loot everything on any map besides maybe Factory

[keen osprey]

The main reason for shared stash being a privilege is so having multiple character slots matter, if you had shared stash and a 2 char slots, you could just throw everything on the other character stash, and you would be free to restart the other character, you would hoard the stuff like crazy

Restarting a character when not having legendary only matters cuz you lose your stuff

Otherwise legendary would be pointless

[main raven]

Also, most loot in Tarkov is actually useful. Cigs can be used for barters, nuts and bolts are used in a ton of Hideout modules, etc.

Very few items in DAD are even worth looking at twice

[silent spruce]

i mean you still get access to highroller

and arena i think ?

[late locust]

What?

[keen osprey]

Why bother buying legendary? You can just keep your stuff and nothing is gonna matter, character level is unimportant since u can just go pve and lvl up in a few raids

[silent spruce]

highroller quality of life and extra blue shards

[late locust]

And they can add second shared stash on prime status

[keen osprey]

if you don't want legendary, it's most prob cuz you are a casual player and you wouldn't really think of playing high roller

[keen osprey]

having two doesn't matter since the main thing is that you can move things from one char to another

[silent spruce]

even if you had 2 char slots being able to switch to any class you want without losing any progress with legendary is just nice tbh

especially for newer players that dont have a "main" yet

[main raven]

Personally, I don't like continuous dungeons and I don't even like lobby merging.

I'd be fine with a merge from Ruins to Crypts, but I think its a mistake to merge Crypts into Inferno

[keen osprey]

I just introduced like 3 friends to the game this week and they are loving the game, they don't really care about resetting, they found their class pretty fast

[silent spruce]

dungeons feel too short and too small with no consecutive floor imo

like i absolutely hate goblin cave with how small and short it feels

[late locust]

It really does. I bought second shared stash and I don't regret the money spent, as they have become very convenient for me.

[silent spruce]

i love castle because its the longest

and you can choose how long to stay

[main raven]

I don't mean to get rid of the transits, I mean I dislike that even if only two people hop into Inferno from Crypts, you still have a full lobby of players in Inferno

[silent spruce]

i feel like thats a bit risk free

[keen osprey]

Not having lobby merging would make the next floors way too empty, free of risk, might as well just go pve, no?

[silent spruce]

i already see barely any people in inferno

lobby merging is nice imo

[keen osprey]

It's a necessity

[main raven]

I also think reds should only open near the end of the map timer, but that there should be a way to skip Ruins and go directly to Crypts

[silent spruce]

although you just need to be careful with how much player you merge

[late locust]

My friend immediately wanted to change classes, but didn't want to lose his progress. Prime status was very valuable to him.

[silent spruce]

if you wipe out an entire lobby just for ur next floor to be completely full again its bad imo

it should be smaller then a regular lobby

[main raven]

This is what I hate. If anything, lobby merging discourages PvP in tbe first place because it doesn't secure anything

[silent spruce]

how does it discourage pvp

[keen osprey]

if you wanted to secure something, you would go blue, not red

[silent spruce]

not merging the lobby makes it so theres no pvp

[keen osprey]

If you don't wanna fight and you have gear fear, go pve

[main raven]

Imagine if you killed five players in the first four minutes of a Factory run, but then you have to worry about four more players thanks to a kind of continuous matchmaking system

[silent spruce]

that can be fixed by adding a cap

[keen osprey]

if you killed 3 players you would have more than enough loot for the exit to be more than worth it

[silent spruce]

just make it so it wont fill up a lobby entirely

and instead make it so its smaller then a regular lobby

that way you dont have to go through 80 ppl again but you still have the risk of pvp being there

[main raven]

Granted, player scavs are essentially like that lol, but they at least start with poor kits

[keen osprey]

player scavs rarely have a chance against PMCs on equal skills

[foggy rain]

Thanks for the tip

[main raven]

I honestly do feel like modern Dark and Darker just has too much PvP.

I've barely played Arena, and honestly, what's the point? The default game is Arena lmao

[silent spruce]

they're a pretty big pain tbh

[hasty robin]

Question for you all; I used to play on epic and I had legendary status. How do I go about transferring that to steam now that I see it's not on epic anymore?

[hollow dirge]

i still cant update mygame bruh

[silent spruce]

arena is a lot more different

arena is a more controlled environment

[keen osprey]

yeah honestly the only thing that is sad from not having legendary is not being able to access arena

[silent spruce]

its a completely different experience imo

[main raven]

Arena is constant PvP combat, and the normal game is constant PvP combat but worse

[keen osprey]

Arena is fun as fuck but yeah I cannot play it with my friends

[main raven]

There really isn't a dungeon crawler part of this game anymore

[keen osprey]

it's an extraction game more than anything

and it has always been that way

[main raven]

Honestly I kind of want the portals back lol

[keen osprey]

you mean the random spawn of portals?

[main raven]

Gives people a reason to move around the map, and also gives you a way to flee combat using the circle

[late locust]

A summary of this discussion: What do we want?

[keen osprey]

that's high roller, play high roller

[main raven]

High Roller, IMO, is bad and always has been

[silent spruce]

nightmare ennemies are nice

[keen osprey]

Dude most of what you complain about is pvp, of course you don't like high roller

[main raven]

Granted, that's mainly because gear has never even been remotely balanced in this game

[silent spruce]

the zone is meh

its 50/50

[keen osprey]

And when it was forced to be balanced with no random attributes nobody liked it and a lot of people dropped the game

[main raven]

PvP is fine, I just think the ratio of PvP to PvE is way off

[silent spruce]

it promotes engaging with other players but it also feels too restrictive

[late locust]

I also really want the goblin to return loot in high roller)))

[keen osprey]

its restrictive cuz its the most high risk high reward mode in the game

[silent spruce]

dont think that should be a thing

[keen osprey]

high roller is the LABS of tarkov

[silent spruce]

i understand some restriction but it really feels too random

i wish it was more predictable

[keen osprey]

if it was more predictable, it would be less risky

[silent spruce]

its not really risky at all

its more about pushing you toward other players

there really isnt much risk to it

its more of an annoyance that eats up ur healing supplies

[manic cliff]

SDF and Graysun knows that Monk gotta release this next wipe or else the game is doomed right

[pallid hemlock]

only wiz spell added since game release has been explosion and ARCANE LOCK 💀 games been cooked

[manic cliff]

nobody cares about old senile pre-free game classes bro

the hype is on the new and unknow

i bet the dnd tubers that left the game for a while gonna come back full erected

[gusty sentinel]

base kit bear winning a 1v1 against a geared frontline will never get old to me

[manic cliff]

not to mention that druid is cancer, i wonder why they haven't put a delay to use skills upon transformation, in a game where movespeed is the key to either kill or die, how's fair for a fking hobo hippie to have 3 transformations that have 1 mile dash away skills?

i don't fret over SDF's decision for the game, but druid HAVE to die and shat upon the grave, no buts.

[gusty sentinel]

sdf not doing anything about the esper issue have the same loser third partying me at the edge of the map for months now

[manic cliff]

esper? wth is an esper? do we have anything related to final fantassy 6?

[foggy rain]

The problem is the integration. There isn't a separate skill balancing for PVE and PVP; instead every skill and spell works the same way regardless.
Druid wild shapes are overtuned for PVP and undertuned for PVE.

Instead of separate Adventure and PVP queues, there should be a PVP toggle for players. If you enable PVP, you get a huge luck bonus that has a significant impact on the loot you can get so you're more likely to get good stuff. The PVP toggle also changes the statistics of your spells and skills so that they're balanced for PVP encounters.

If you have PVP toggled on, PVE players appear like the ghosts of other players in Fromsoft games; highly transparent with some additional kind of coloration visual. PVE players likewise see PVP players as phantoms. If people team in a dungeon, it prioritizes making the entire party PVP-enabled if any one player is PVP, while if everyone is PVE, then everyone remains PVE. Goblin Merchant becomes enabled for both PVE and PVP players outside of HR, at a boosted cost to PVP players.

Besides teaming, there's no way to toggle PVP/PVE in the dungeon, so the shenanigans you can pull are relatively minimal, and there's no going back. It does mean that PVP players could arguably grief newbie PVE players but it can be considered a learning experience.

With this kind of setup it'd be possible to give PVE players their desired experience, PVPers their desired experience (unless it's just to grief and prey on newbies), and tighten the queues so that finding games is faster. It'd also make it possible to tune balance changes towards what whichever crowd needs without adversely affecting the other's experience.

[gusty sentinel]

game is designed horribly. you can tell from playing all classes need a 5x boost in health.

[jolly raven]

yo chat when is wipe

[manic cliff]

that's actually interesting, but impractical, people going for pvp queues bumping into a green flag (no pvp) gonna rage hard, even more if they are able to interact with other player (physics collision, spells from no pvp folks affecting PvPing folks, not hard to think of a healer cleric/druid with afk off healing and buffing the pvp frontline and not receiving any damage and such)

[celest kayak]

ban hr rejects in normals and remove druid.

[foggy rain]

Many other games have queue prioritization that would alleviate that issue; the game would prioritize putting PVP-enabled players with other PVP-enabled players where possible. It's not dissimilar to the concept of matchmaking, but immensely simpler. If no primarily PVP lobby exists then they get put into a mixed lobby instead.

It would also help to bring back the tavern that used to be a thing so that people could wander around and make additional preparations and see who all they'll be playing with before the game actually starts, so that people don't get as bored during queue.

[sand pewter]

yo chat when is wipe

[brave jolt]

Lost my gear when I died to Warlord in normal PvE mode and the goblin wont sell it back. Is this a known bug or something?

[elfin fern]

how long have you been waiting?

[manic cliff]

you have to wait that dungeon game session ends, then goblin gonna sell it

[brave jolt]

About 30 mins now I think

[foggy rain]

This. You can honestly just do another PVE run in squire gear and by the time you're done the gobbo should be selling your stuff back.

[elfin fern]

hmm, should have been by now

i guess play a round of something else and see if it populates

[manic cliff]

if it was hr adventure mode he won't sell it back also.

[restive forge]

why can i not buy shit from krampus

[manic cliff]

the squire to riches was a good ideia, unfortunately it was good in the beginning, but know it has become more a nuisance than a solution, tbh. Removing it and coming back to the gear score queue, 24 being the limit, over this number the normal blue/purple whatever score comes into play, THAT would alleviate some of the insane player scarcity that's going on the norms

[gusty sentinel]

the goal in this game as designed by sdf is to third party. never commit to a fight and always close doors until the other players kill each other then you w key the half hp player and stomp on em. if you commit to an early fight might aswell rename your character to loot delivery

[brave jolt]

Nah it was normal pve

[manic cliff]

no, third partying comes from the players being freeloaders and scoundrels, the game proposes a battle royale deathmatch and that's it

[gusty sentinel]

always be the gooper never be the goop

goop and gooper

[elfin fern]

yes, and that optimizes for unfair play, so why wouldn't they do something about it

[foggy light]

I've heard speculation that goblin merchant wont retrieve gear found by your other characters, not sure on its validity but sounds like a bug. I've bought gear for a character, died, and been able to retrieve it even though another human player obviously found that item before me since I bought it, but they were explicitly referring to gear found by other characters in your roster.

I haven't tested it myself but since we're just guessing here thought I'd throw that out there

[manic cliff]

because the game isn't about being fair, is about a hardcore and punishing experience, rogues play around that, and many other classes you want to admit it or not

[elfin fern]

any class can be opportunistic, but encouraging that only makes it "hardcore" for the people who aren't opportunists

if ratfuckers usually win, then it's not really a hardcore game, is it?

[gusty sentinel]

game needs more skill expression. no one wants to die instantly while walking thru a door. x5 the health or just let the game die its that simple of a decision for sdf to make.

[manic cliff]

the context of why you're in there in a damp dungeon ain't for a greater good, is for simply profit, and profit is the gray zone where the means to the end doesn't matter

[foggy light]

Hold on now lets not mix meta reasoning and canon, pretty much the entire quest log aside from dealmaker is about helping merchants and culling monsters

[manic cliff]

the proposal of going to to a dungeon in search of looting/finding people to kill is literally that, there's no white knighting in there, there are a few honorable ones who would let you heal for a balanced match, but no one owes you anything in there, even less in hr

[sterile wadi]

Can someone PLEASE tell me how far we are into wipe don’t even need an exact answer did the season just start or has it been going for a while now

[elfin fern]

and this is why the playerbase and the meta suck,

and is why the game is not actually "hardcore" except for people who don't play opportunistically or sneakily

[foggy light]

It's been going for a while, patch notes allude to a new season soon

[sterile wadi]

🙏🏻 thank you, so new season soon most likely then

[gusty sentinel]

game use to be more hardcore too they buffed hp like 20%

[forest bone]

what exactly does a non legendary account miss out on? i know they don't get high roller, the shared stash or marketplace, but do they still lose out on the character slots?

[foggy light]

I'm new to the discord, casual player so I'm sure someone knows something more accurate, but I'm seeing stuff saying its close

[manic cliff]

dude, the game is literally a hardcore and hardcore+ game modes, if people don't want to pvp they're gonna run away, you might chase after then or not, that's up to you

[gusty sentinel]

lets just say im a new player, i load up dark and darker and i chase down a ranger. boom turns and shotguns me. i uninstall the game and find something new to play.

[elfin fern]

you're missing the point, the difficulty is highest for people who risk the most and lowest for people who risk the least

[manic cliff]

rangers is cancer as well and it's common knowledge, gotta keep playing and you'll eventually find good pvp

[foggy light]

I just double checked and patch notes say new season in january so a matter of weeks

[manic cliff]

but theres nothing to do around that man, you pvp, you win, you get third partied you run, heal enough, either push them to stop them from running away with your loot or you loot something before they lock in close and get the hell out

[past quail]

I literally just died to air in the game, i have a clip of me standing and then just dying, is there any way for me to get my stuff back

[manic cliff]

but you're asking for a post-battle timeout to loot and heal after an encounter, i mean, really?

[gusty sentinel]

most people dont want to keep playing when they run into the same ranger every match for weeks

[foggy light]

Goblin merchant will sell you your gear back, but only after that game session is over. So if your lobby had 10 minutes left on the timer, wait that long then check him.

[manic cliff]

change maps? the dude is not stalking you for god sake man

[past quail]

ok, ty, even in hightoller righjt?

[foggy light]

Ah, no, not in highroller

[past quail]

but it was to a glitch

[elfin fern]

change the mechanics or introduce new ones, change the incentives

devs aren't using their imagination to solve what people complain about most

if the design is that optimal play is ratfucking,

again, nobody can be surprised that we get the result that we do

but you're asking for a post-battle timeout to loot and heal after an encounter, i mean, really?

no. look at things like morale boost, sanc, or magic lock and you'll understand what i'm getting at

[foggy light]

That gear is just gone essentially

[brave jolt]

I’ve died before with this gear and retrieved it from the merchant, but he wont sell me the gear now after I died to the Warlord. Is it possible that dying to bosses, even on normal pve, causes this? It’s been 40 minutes already

[past quail]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/lM2O3USErl4Tm2HVC?invite=cr-MSxGeEwsMTc4NTIwNzQ4&v=60

[manic cliff]

dude people complaint about dieing in a killing and dieing focused game, you're asking to chance what the game is 70% about

[foggy light]

Stupid question, but have you been cycling the menu? I've noticed that the game only updates notification markers on menu change, like the goblin exclamation mark won't show up unless I cycle tabs

[elfin fern]

now you're just ignoring what i'm saying

[gusty sentinel]

buff hp or have no players its sdfs choice

[timid sparrow]

how late did i join this wipe?

[elfin fern]

you have a month

[manic cliff]

no i'm not, mitigating the punishment you took from your previous battle just because someone else showed up is just asking for a handicap dude

[elfin fern]

do you think morale boost should be removed? how about sanc, how about the big druid heals

[timid sparrow]

😭

[foggy light]

I died to a glitch in high roller, was playing sorceror and merged spells into a teleporting electricity ball, I forget the name. But anyways, it makes you ephereal during the teleport, but I got stuck in an ephereal state where I couldn't interact with anything but my hitbox was still active. Couldn't open doors or fight back so died in the room, made the bug report but just accepted the loss of the gear.

[past quail]

thats so dumb

[indigo valve]

😭tp bugs out more than it works

[past quail]

So I die because of a game error something completely outside of anybodys control, and instead of rembersing the player and returning ther shit they just say go fuck urself

[manic cliff]

yeah, i hate the big druid heals, they either kill you before you use your healing resources, or tire you out of supplies with running away and reseting stupidly fast before YOU can recover

[past quail]

W devs

[manic cliff]

class resources are classe resources, cept for druids, which is cancerigenous in a direspecting way towards other classes, even cleric aint that broken

[foggy light]

Yeah I've been avoiding using it ever since lmao, incredibly weak damage on it anyways definitely not worth the risk

[manic cliff]

this is why i don't even fathom to interact with druids in any way, i just don't try to fight them in any way, i just go out of my way and if they try to follow me i just leave the dungeon even if i don't have shit looted on me

[indigo valve]

It’s better to use to get out of situation like against a barb

[elfin fern]

this is a problem in solos, agree, but my point is that there are already quick reset mechanics, and they're limited to only a few classes

i think fast group healing in threes limited to two classes is a problem for various reasons, but if you expanded that to other classes you could help cut down on third-partying

imagine a fighter that gets stronger for 30 seconds after a (non-team) kill

a bard whose songs are more powerful after a kill

a warlock whose healing or damage increases after a kill

a rogue dying after a kill, because fuck rogues

[indigo valve]

Real

[gusty sentinel]

this game is cooked even the streamers know it

[indigo valve]

That’s why most streamers are on a “break”

[gusty sentinel]

winning the lawsuit does nothing if your content sucks

[manic cliff]

even so dude, you can play around against bards, wl a bit, rogue you either kill him if he sticks close or you die for the glass cannon archetype, but you literally don't have how to play against a druid

[sonic maple]

we know why sorc streamers are XD

[manic cliff]

you can space a rogue, bard, fighter, bard, corner a ranger, warlock, and have a balanced pvp against a cleric, but druid if you lose track of a druid for 10 seconds he literally comes back at you 110% full

[elfin fern]

no what i mean is, if you put these in threes people will think twice before rushing in to third party

because they have a higher chance of getting clapped

this would be doubly so if you changed religion to reward or discourage different play styles

[manic cliff]

this is why mid-term anti-heals are needed bad, and i just thought of it

or to either transform or to spellcast

and i'm not talking about the shitty perk softlock, i mean, you pick spellcasting instead of transforming? ok, but that's final, you either struggle to get away from a picked fight to reset just like everybody else, or pick the versatily of changing forms along its unique morphs skills (which chicken also have a healing skill) and easy escape the morphs provide and slowly heals using meds just like everybody else

[hazy latch]

the average player doesnt know how to read a barb using morale boost

[manic cliff]

yeah, this perk is for people who actually predicting being third parties, which is also a nerf because killing players is already a struggle

[hazy latch]

for me its for w key after killing first teammate so i dont have to wait on heals because im being buff balled by a bard/wiz and something else, they wont have the luxury of being able to put fire down range so i need to be 100% up

[manic cliff]

and to say that it's worth picking instead of blood exchange is simply foolish, you kill a player and recover 25% hp, but if you're being 3rd partied ganged on, blood exchange shines way more

[hazy latch]

take both 🙃

[manic cliff]

yeah, one works with anything that moves, the other you have to gamble on a fight to death to have it to proc

[vapid oyster]

idk why you wouldn't assume every barb has morale boost

[bold crown]

Sorry for late response it was did unarmed get an update?

[vapid oyster]

they don't all have it of course, but you should just assume they do

[subtle heart]

Is it possible for me to link my dark ACC to my steam acc?

[solid cave]

@glad thunder yo you are one retated mf @glad thunder hot fix whjat the game is dead ass worse you bum fix your game holy fuk

[hazy latch]

some people play this game on H, in their best gear, and wonder why they die
I cant explain why people shit the bed the way they do :\

[vapid oyster]

same with iron will, if I'm playing a caster I just play under the assumption they have iron will

[elfin fern]

my decision making skills in the moment under pressure are far worse than when i can step back and think

[manic cliff]

yeah, but in both cases you know how to play in the cases

[solid cave]

like ive never had this many problems with the game

[manic cliff]

then that's a literal skill issue on your part, no offense in any way tho, i was like this too

[elfin fern]

ok? i didn't say it wasn't

[hazy latch]

always was/is

[manic cliff]

i see, offense taken i guess, i was saying that it gets sharper with time

[elfin fern]

i have multiple k hours, got minimally better lol

[solid cave]

shits not even fun hasnt been fun shits just dumb like i havent had fun on the game like a real good time some that makes me laugh in like months likke where is the new content where is the game actually getting fixed ffrom these so called hotfixs @glad thunder

[manic cliff]

well, it's always a individual experience i guess then lol

[elfin fern]

like i literally just died to pve in s2r because i didnt care about positioning

[manic cliff]

yeah, last week i got clapped with my legendary kit on normal troll because i forgot that i shouldn't play using my ass just because it was adventure mode lol

[solid cave]

like yall blowing eachother or some just getting drained at work is that why yall cant think right

[vapid oyster]

[elfin fern]

when i dont sleep right, which is every day of my life, i cannot think properly in the moment

only when i have time to review decisions

worse when under any pressure

[manic cliff]

its almost holiday

[gusty sentinel]

no one wants u here bud

[elfin fern]

?

[gusty sentinel]

not even sdf

[vapid oyster]

[manic cliff]

LMAO

dubai dweller trying to shit on someone?

[elfin fern]

dubai always stay baiting

[vapid oyster]

I never seen this dubai guy say something intelligent

wouldn't worry about it

[manic cliff]

weird stuff happens, he probably don't have a turkey to eat tonight, thus the tantrum

[hazy latch]

turns out hes actually a rich collector from dubai and he's going to take it out on someone in his harem

plz habibi dont hurt my mom

[manic cliff]

Arebaba habibi

[gusty sentinel]

honestly if sdf followed my guidance this game would probably win a grammy

[sonic maple]

literally 99.9% of discordians opinions on all games

[manic cliff]

if sdf followed your guidance probably people would have to shit on the ground and eat it mid-battle, get out of here

[magic sleet]

whats with the toilet paper emojis on the announcements

[hazy latch]

Entertain him.

@gusty sentinel If you were allowed to take the wheels -- what would be something you'd do?

[manic cliff]

lol

[hazy latch]

mf left me on seen
ts it 😠

[manic cliff]

he's asking chat gpt for options for wheels and anything related to cows, absolutely not a bbq tho

[errant musk]

Nothing like teamers on Christmas Eve

[sonic maple]

good to see the community working together ❤️ on xmas eve

[errant musk]

Be teammates using voip to rat you out

Crazy work

Just happened to walk up on them as they were plotting thought it was weird he was using prox instead

That piss kit lasted like 5 games of leading timmies and teaching ppl how to cheese the trice b4 the toxic came. Sadge

[indigo valve]

Bro morty hasn’t made any dark content since the nerf😭

He don’t even wanna see how bad sorc is

[ornate olive]

the teaming is wild today in solos :/

[errant musk]

Trios too brother

[hazy latch]

thought i'd get away from it in us-w, went over to us-e, same thing :\

[errant musk]

Need the powice back in here

[ivory rivet]

ducking delete that sh1t class druid from the game,it's shit shit,for real

[errant musk]

lol

[warm rune]

I mean it’s still good, just not overly busted. Foxman is in purples killing named kits recently

[indigo valve]

😭

[indigo valve]

Morty played merge so

And merge is cooked, td is book is good

[warm rune]

Fair enough, I mean he’s honestly smarter than all of us he got off the game real quick once his class got boring for him

[indigo valve]

Yea I mean he’s been playing for a while so he was prob alr tired of it anyways

Red the only one making some merge content

[brave sorrel]

what IF WE GOT DA LIKE EPIC DEMON CASTLE MAP WITH TEN FLOORS IN IT THE FURTHER DOWN YOU GO THE CRAZIER THE LOOT GETS AND AT THE END A GILBRIS GILL

[manic cliff]

we need global events

[brave sorrel]

im quoting repoze vid lol

[manic cliff]

@glad thunder imagine players uniting against a siege on the city in a urban map against MOBS of monsters that in the final wave bosses gonna have individual loot and 20 or so seconds later it becomes an arena for the greedy 15+ basturds to kill eachother for eachother's loots with 3/4 portals appearing after some deaths

it would be a sight to see fighters, barbas and clerics on the frontline while rangers, mages, sorcs, punnier clerics and druids supporting, that would be tearful to the eyes, also, friendly fire enabled and penalty free against druids, because druids heh

[sonic maple]

ya hes the elephant in the room

[naive coral]

NEED SOME rare bis TEAMS LETS GO

[uneven cairn]

hei guys, had a pleasure experience of triple teaming in duo, wonderful game.

[whole kite]

Does anyone know the distribution of drops from the highroller bosses?

[indigo valve]

W game

[uneven cairn]

there needs to be a reward for the best game that loses progress with each update

[honest oak]

can anyone tell me best strategies for clerig

[zinc pasture]

nu

[uneven cairn]

nu mai sunt strategii scuze

[zinc pasture]

nam de unde

[tacit sparrow]

Nu e frate stai liniștit

[buoyant island]

nu avem

[uneven cairn]

urmatorul wipe coaie

[zinc pasture]

nu exista

[tacit sparrow]

Cleriq nu e nu mai e

[restive shard]

@tight widget pls jnnerfing pengin for launch water and speed

[buoyant island]

o murit la wipe

[uneven cairn]

nerf clerig

[tacit sparrow]

Buff la wizard trebuie 35 vigor base

[trim basalt]

Does luck affect named drop rate ?

[zinc pasture]

longsword bear

[uneven cairn]

yes, 500 luck = ilusionary up+

[trim basalt]

?

[restive shard]

@glad thunder boring fight in form druida penguijn

@glad thunder PEnguin is hard to kill in new map

[tacit sparrow]

Stai frate liniștit

[uneven cairn]

glory to romania

[zinc pasture]

Glory hole

[tacit sparrow]

@honest oak mi ai fct seara mai buna frate

[zinc siren]

@zinc sparrow add map conditions like arc raiders, game would be saved

[pulsar crag]

Why is manta ray so broken

I'm going in there killing it 3 times in row and now non of my repos are working

I am getting hit through my repo everytime

Like why is it a 50/50 of getting a repo

I can't block either I've tried shields and it just hits me everytime

And if someone says its positioning there wrong because I'm in the same position every time

Anybody working on a proper video because all the vids are ass

[gusty sentinel]

might aswell move on the devs dont care about the game just look at tbe christmas event

[subtle goblet]

I would...if i was a utuber

[pulsar crag]

Only thing I've seen ive seen kill the boss everytime is the two sweaty nerds in triple triple unique kits with fulgor and viola

They've had there kits on for two weeks now

They just dps the sh1r out of it

It's not seeming like its a very good boss to learn plus spectral night in HR is absolutely restarted now

Way to fast and combing attacks

Doesn't even drop artifact

[gusty sentinel]

wipes next month and they missed the chance to put artifacts for christmas event

[slow scaffold]

Your Doing it on bard im guessing

[bold crown]

Can someone answer my question

[merry dock]

how many people are online rn?

[swift grove]

1500 dungeon 1800 lobby

[merry dock]

rip

[swift grove]

usually 2200ish in dungeon right now, but its Christmas Eve. casuals have left the building

check back Friday when its not a holiday and arenas are back

[flat cave]

Are there any exclusive free cosmetics to collect with the Krampus merchant or Christmas update?

The only ones I'm seeing they added are part of paid bundles. I'm wondering if it's worth getting the Twitch drops

[sonic maple]

gamers on holidays say

[neat urchin]

Dedgameded

[neon nest]

Hi guys - can someone tell me, has there been any word on Monk class?

[hazy latch]

WE ARE SO BACK

[indigo valve]

hide camping graveyard in norms is insane to me

[hazy latch]

Wdym? plenty of juicer dorks show up there, great place to camp

it just sucks nakeds get caught in the xfire

[indigo valve]

i mean its insane that rogues will hide camp graveyard in norms not even hr and kill a timmy and think they are good

[hazy latch]

dw, one day itll be judge smite cleric who will call u hard r, or halb invis pot fighter, etc

i didnt know clerics could emote like that when it happened to me

[zinc minnow]

No cosmetics

[frosty pewter]

they are timmy if they doing that. norms is just timmy v timmy

[glass musk]

am I the only one crashing when playing wiz ?

[dull vapor]

developers added that to nerf the wiz class

[keen osprey]

Additional weapon damage or physical power

[azure bronze]

Awd almost always

[keen osprey]

ty

[coral thistle]

Ironmace reposting all their old time limited stuff 2 months after its over

[flat cave]

Ok thanks

[acoustic kiln]

add paladin

[foggy rain]

how do I prevent using my secondary item while I'm in an item menu? I keep accidentally throwing my lantern and it's getting annoying

[marble yoke]

Is everyone going to bed early for Santa Clause? It's quiet here.

Add paladin under cleric.

[foggy dirge]

cant seem to find a match

[gusty sentinel]

krampus is such a let down. im so disappointed i dont even want to load up the game. my time is worth more elsewhere.

[covert smelt]

anyone else having issues purchasing red shards?

[naive coral]

Wipe should be announced already..

[swift grove]

#📢announcements message

[naive coral]

meant the day mb

[gusty sentinel]

crazy how they gave us coal this year for their developing mistakes

actual doggy doodoo company

[timid sparrow]

😭 🙏

[zealous tusk]

Arc servers are down sdf fix your game !

[elfin fern]

i know it's a pvp game, but camping stingray is diabolical

guaranteed low hp for the bosser unless you perfectly time a surge

this game is so badly designed

[manic cliff]

camping after or before?

[elfin fern]

after 3rd phase

95% of the time in s2r nobody goes to ray or they die, but i got the 5% where they did

[manic cliff]

damnyum, total EvacuationHole move, 2 years ago rogues used to do that on cyclops to jumpscare people going for the boss ending up with a stiletto to the face

[drifting lava]

YOU ARE A MAN WHO SITTING IN WAITING HALL.

[swift grove]

thats me!

[elfin fern]

imagine being so cringe that you'd kill someone on your team for a skull key you can't even take out of the dungeon

such is s2r i guess

[manic cliff]

that's pure stupidity juice, probably a return player

[elfin fern]

i killed their teammate who tried to jump on me while doing spec knight

joined them

killed spec knight, got key

gave them the pile

told them about key

they close exit door and shoot me in the head

[manic cliff]

sounds like revenge, you'd die either way

even if you kept silence about it

[elfin fern]

maybe

doesn't punish teamkiller give a temp ban

[manic cliff]

a 30mins queue wait punishment for 3 days, 1 week, 1 month or so

[hallow lynx]

WHY IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH

[agile quail]

they really gonna keep the new arena changes?

[silent notch]

some dudes in squire to riches mad at me for not sticking with the team after i find a rare boss and loot a wanderlight lantern. i told them 'i need to rat this out of here' but they didn't listen 😂

successfully minted for bard

[azure bronze]

Imagine if bear traps did extra damage to druids in bear form

[analog summit]

impossible for ironmace to concieve

can a mouse form trigger the hunting trap?

[elfin fern]

yes

[sterile wadi]

Wipes probably under a month away no?

[azure bronze]

That's why I said imagine, Ironmace can't even add quivers ffs

I sure do love a third of my inventory being taken up at all times just because I want to play ranger

[elfin fern]

comments like this drove away the quiver guy

[brave topaz]

Is the crashing bug fixed

[keen osprey]

does ranger dodge actually give invincibility frames?

[azure bronze]

Im 99% sure it doesn't

[placid narwhal]

anyone got a solution for ,,Failed to update gmsedk.dll,, Access denied to local file ?

tryied reinstalling now i got AkSilenceGeneretor.dll error

[analog summit]

just let an arrow stack fit in the belt slot lol soEASY

[wooden furnace]

Hiya, I've been led here through online search regarding help with my account. Is there a thread to discuss/help/support to game account stuff?

[next cape]

Playing the game as a melee class against rangers just sucks. It's so unfun when you build for pure movement speed and try to run the ranger down just for them to backstep and get free hits into you with spear.

Like, wha'ts the downside? you don't have to make them squishy or physically weak, both of which issues just get fixed by gear anyway. The real problem is that they need to be mechanically weak in person! It's the same shit with wizard. After taking just about 4 fireballs and having to mouse-jerk dodge 4 zaps you now need to contend with the magic barrage of homing missile?

It's just so demotivating to play as a melee class.

(Don't even get me started on CoP warlock.)

[sonic maple]

think you go to the website to make a support ticket

[wooden furnace]

thank you for the reply, i've already done sone and was led to believe that discord also had a account-help thread or something 🙂

[next cape]

These are my ideas to cure the nasty kiting plague:

1 - They should make it so that previously opened doors fling open easily and that keeping them closed requires active effort from the runner's part. Think pressing f and standing on it. This prevents them from doing a full reset and keep running.
2 - Add a stamina bar dedicated solely to sprinting and tie it's increase to vigor instead of agility. This way most melee classes will actually catch up eventually because the speedsters keep choosing to dump all stats into agility for movement speed and their "fast" movement will be a strategic choice as opposed to a invincibility trump card.

[oak nexus]

You should search the server for "b580". I have a previous message describing it. b580 runs the game very well, no driver issues or other issues at all

[hoary parcel]

They rather ignore every suggestion ever made, don't bother

[next cape]

Sad but there is truth to it. I honestly just do it as a hail mary.

[analog summit]

remember when ranger had no backstep?

[empty scarab]

Anyone need money on gta Dm me

[hazy kernel]

This is a classic case of “I hate kiting, so I want the game bent around my build.”

Forcing people to babysit doors just so runners can’t disengage is straight-up artificial friction. Resetting fights is already risky — mobs, third parties, bad pathing — turning doors into a mini-QTE isn’t skill expression, it’s punishment for not standing still and trading blows.

The stamina idea is even worse. Tying sprint to vigor just flips the meta instead of fixing anything. Speed builds exist because they sacrifice damage, survivability, or utility. If melee “eventually catches up no matter what,” then movement stops being a choice and starts being a lie. That’s not counterplay — that’s the game deciding who wins after enough time passes.

Kiting is a problem when there’s no risk. The solution isn’t removing escape tools until everyone’s forced into stat-check brawls. If every chase ends the same way, you didn’t fix balance — you deleted depth.

[untold lily]

i love how a healer dos more damg then figher and barb cuz thats sdfs vision

[next cape]

And the risk to kiting right now is?
The counter play to range attacks right now is?

What's the argument against flipping meta in favor of melee class?

Stat check brawls will always exist no matter what because that's a fundamental aspect of the game.
But right now speed check is a massive source of discontent. The whole point of melee class is to be good in melee and range to be good at range but why is the game currently allowing people one side to be so strong as to be literally untouchable. Why is it okay for the range class to almost always be in their sweet spot but not the melee? Why must the the slow melee class have to rely on a uncleared room being the deciding factor? Speed usually means the mobs won't be as much of a problem to the runner to begin with and be that much more of a problem for the chaser.

If rangers actually had to play around their hunting traps then it would a game of strategy and not just constant back pedal. There is no depth.

Sigh,
you can say it's me wanting the game to bend around my build but player base wise the game is at it's lowest point ever and people keep leaving the game and it's all because of this sort of nonsense. Even Sparkykawa is extremely dissatisfied and upset with this design.

Not being able to play your desired build is a reason to not play the game at all.

[indigo valve]

welcome to sdfs vision

[next cape]

Speaking of SDF's vision "If melee “eventually catches up no matter what,” then movement stops being a choice and starts being a lie. That’s not counterplay — that’s the game deciding who wins after enough time passes."

Everything Moonz said also applies to the circle and yet the circle is still a part of the game so is he going to defend the game now or actually agree that the circle is bad and say the game should be changed in favor of ranged classes and rogue players?

[subtle goblet]

Wdym even sparkykawa, that guy complains all the damn time

[next cape]

Is it better to stick around, complain and try to constructive criticism and give ideas for this game or just silently quit? Majority of people have quit DaD. Majority of people do not have the patience or belief in the game and they aren't even as skilled.

[subtle goblet]

For a streamer that relies on content to make money? I'd say its better to move on to more popular games so you can garner a bigger audience. As a non-streamer playing this game isn't that bad since you aren't relying on it for your income.

[next cape]

The focus is on trying to make the game good again… sparky clearly would’ve left and stopped playing a long time ago if he only cared about money.

Leaving the game is bad for the game and people complaining, trying to give solutions are being met by people who just yap about skill issues this and skill issue that or “oh here we go again” and act so dismissive it really sucks.

I get that there exist countless stupid complaints that probably are just people emotionally venting after dying but still.

[grizzled meteor]

Solo is extremely melee centric anyway.
Team modes you have team mates to compliment you if you play a slow build so what's the problem?
You can build Ms too btw but then you have to give up melee statcheck stats and you don't want that ofc you want high health and PDR but you also dont like when squishier builds are faster than you

[next cape]

The problem is in solos, of course.

I don’t get why people act as if movement speed is an “option” and not mandatory. Even in a team composition if the ally ranger dies then the slow frontline is all of a sudden a pincushion for the enemy range user?

The only counter play becomes to literally strip to gain speed.

Can you name any one other game where you literally need to strip to catch up to another player for a fighting chance???? It's actually ridiculous. How does something like this not scream broken balance or bad design? It's almost as if because it's been a part of the game for so long that everyone remaining has become naturalized to this stuff.

[grizzled meteor]

Solos is completely melee dominated lol.
For teams yes, if they pick up your backline, ofc you're at a disadvantage, that's how team fighting works.

[next cape]

Regarding solo being melee centric, I ran into 4 kiters tonight and I couldn't reliably catch or best any of them as a 327 movement speed cleric. In the end, the only lesson learned was that it's best to not engage with them at all, effectively it is best to not play the game and look for better prey.

I only came across one fighter who also seemingly recognized the import of movement and was running all cloth except for hounskull. And that was actually a decent fight because we both were engaging in melee.

[grizzled meteor]

Nothing is stopping you from building agility and not wearing the heaviest slowest pieces btw

[grizzled meteor]

if you can't catch literally everyone as a 327 melee cleric it might be a skill issue ngl

[runic forum]

Pop smite, hit them, faithfulness slows them

[next cape]

Sigh. You're missing the point.

Two people, similar movement speed. 1 has range other does not. 1 is going to inevitably take damage and because ALL gear is oriented toward movements speed instead of the usual tankiness that the class is supposed to be building because it is a MELEE class. is going to be too low to engage in melee.

Like, the problem that people don't seem to get is that the game will always have players of varying skill.

[grizzled meteor]

the moment you get on someone as melee smite cleric they're dead, it they hit you enough to kill you before you get on them that's their win con yes

If they hit you you can just take cover heal and try again, if you're w keying them like a bot even if you're low idk

I'd suggest playing one of these kite classes and see what you struggle with and then implement doing that.

[next cape]

I can assure you my chase sequences have been over 2 minutes, average.

I take damage, heal, and try to juke to the best of my ability but the game has hitscans and FPS arrows.

[grizzled meteor]

would help if you post a clip or something

[next cape]

If you want to help, take my word for the fact that I am not happy with the game and I want change.

and give it some credibility.

[grizzled meteor]

So you get hit too much, you fight in bad modules etc

again you should play different classes so you understand matchups from both sides

I'm pretty sure if you play any kiting class vs a 327 cleric you're gonna die

[next cape]

Can I ask why you're talking from a perspective of "I don't know how to play" and "The game is perfect." ?

I will admit that I did not have smite and I am not the best player.

[grizzled meteor]

Cause you struggle to find kite classes with a Ms capped cleric and your entire post doesn't seem like you're very good at the game

[grizzled meteor]

Why would anyone not run smite on melee cleric.
Smite is the reason melee cleric is a thing just cause of how good it is

See that confirms the vibe I got, that you don't really know what you're doing and probably don't play very well but the game is supposed to give you free wins

[next cape]

No.

[grizzled meteor]

Try playing the classes you struggle with and see if they're really that easy or if there is stuff people do to make your life hard and then adapt that too

[next cape]

I have played every class except sorcerer and wizard, please stop treating me like I am the same as someone who's just saying I deserve free wins.

I have mentioned that Sparkykawa is also dissatisfied with the game and specifically the caster kiting.

Their skill is much greater than mine and I would've imagined that would at least put aside the whole dismissivness of "skill issue".

It's like, at what point can a person have sufficient skill to get the right to complain?

when does a person get credibility?

[grizzled meteor]

Sparky also plays nothing except ls fighter, everyone who only plays the same shit and never adapts has no right to complain

plays a setup that works best vs melee and complains about matchups his setup isn't tailored towards and also never even plays other classes

[runic forum]

Yea tbf saying a longsword otp doesn't like a ranged meta is like saying that the sky is blue

I agree that it is a ranged meta right now, but if you're playing 330ms cleric and losing to like a ranger, it's not really a meta issue

[next cape]

I get that there is a rock, paper, scissors design to the game, in some way but...
Is a person wrong to dislike ranged meta?

[grizzled meteor]

You can like or dislike whatever you want but the world doesn't resolve around you

[next cape]

Fine, I suck, I am supposed to "git good" by adapting to the meta and picking my favored fights. Now rangers are going to be blessed to find me in a situation I won't be able to simply "Nope" out of. It's going to be really enjoyable for them, I bet.

[grizzled meteor]

And the better approach would be to try to improve and learn different classes so you understand how to fight them best or quit the game

[next cape]

I think I will quit the game. 2000 hours into the game and I am being told to try out other classes to learn how to fight them.

[runic forum]

Well then I ask, what do you want? If you are losing in a match up that favours you, what do you want the devs to do?

[next cape]

Either this or a better solution.

make it "balanced".
Make it "fun".

[grizzled meteor]

Well that works the best. If I think something is op, I try it out and that way I see what it struggles with and how players play against it.

[runic forum]

This would just genuinely kill all ranged in solos and not do much in trios

Ranged classes aren't even crazy strong in solos right now it's more of a trios problem

[next cape]

Well come up with better solutions. It's not like the devs are afraid of trying out unbelievably controversial things just to flip-flop back, anyway.

[runic forum]

Also, if you're playing a melee class, chances are you open doors faster than casters anyways. That helps you chase them down

[next cape]

In practice it's usually them running through doors that are already opened and closing them on me. Just for when I try to do the same they blow it up either ahead of time (combustion/fireball) or instantly break it (warlock, hellfire).

[grizzled meteor]

Brother no hate but you weren't even using smite on melee cleric, the ability that literally defines the build.
I wish you had a clip but just based on that I'd assume your gameplay is far from perfect either but you want people to cater to you and nerf stuff you lose to like please have a little self awareness.

[next cape]

Anyway, these are just ideas for when they try to run from one module to another and not just in circles within the same module which I feel like is still a bit of an issue.

[runic forum]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but every single melee focuses class has something that either speeds them up, slows the enemy, or both

If you're in a single module, no doors in the way, just use your abilities and it's free

[grizzled meteor]

Running in circles favors the guy chasing. You can always cut and take a shorter path if they run in a circle so even if they're faster you'll catch up

[next cape]

Well, that is true. Though, I was thinking about the stupidity of draw bridge in ruins because that's where it hurts the most with it's ledge hugging nonsense and mini-boss mobs but people have already addressed "Don't fight in bad modules" so...

[grizzled meteor]

Yeah I mean even if I play a class with ranged I wouldn't fight a ranger in a very open module like bridge. It just favors them a lot.

[next cape]

Oh well, putting aside tonight's main topics I'm still not happy with what the game has become. It just feels sad. It's like, all the excitement for future patches and updates and stuff is gone.

Anyway, merry Christmas you two, Thanks for lending me your attention and taking it seriously.

[runic forum]

Merry Christmas man :) hope you end up liking the game again

[grizzled meteor]

Merry Christmas. Try playing some other modes solo is just not that fun in general.

[proud phoenix]

wiki does not seem accurate - can someone tell me what bosses can spawn in what layer of ruins? is ghost king the only boss in inferno or can lich/warlord also spawn?

[whole trail]

Lich/Warlord in crypts and only ghost king in inferno

[nimble surge]

havent played in forever

whats op

[vague quest]

same things as always

range spam, doors, landmine

[surreal finch]

hello guys, I'm trying to use dark and darker map tracker but actually when I select few rooms they're so far, is there any website sticking closeby only the modules I've selected?

[analog summit]

i entered the maze eager to pull once from the treasure pile. i heard someone looting it so i stayed quiet and listen. if i am to advance the enemy the element of surprise is gone (theres a spike trap in my path and a portcullis on the other) so i waited listening to them. i opened voice chat and loudly said (within their looting audio) “Ihear you!” followed by “I seee you!”. no response . so i wait. im about to push in since im wizard and they are in hole. but then i hear them leaving so i waited. the moment they came over the spike trap 1 magic missile cast killed the very geared barbarian, who took me from 108 to like 5 health in one swing. truly a clash of the classes. this is why magic missile is better than fireball!!

[gilded girder]

how to farm exp? i want to get to lvl 200 for achievement. is it killing mobs or collecting loot

[cinder silo]

both

playing the game is the best way to farm exp

[analog summit]

works kinda like ap. looting only matters upon extract and item rarity. otherwise breaking everything killing everything and interacting with the things like torches one time each will give exp also most is lost upon death

[sour cipher]

imagine the devs from arc raiders worked on this game. it would be so good 🙁

[gilded girder]

the game has terrible UI. i didnt get it because of how bad the bank and looting is

[leaden mauve]

whens the next season?

[gusty sentinel]

need more cobalt crafts tired of wearing the same shit for 2 years

[tropic moat]

are they changing arena back to what it was ?

[marble yoke]

Merry Christmas!!

[slow scaffold]

Merry Christmas 🎄

[burnt torrent]

guys are luck potion effects permanent

[tawdry granite]

yes

[soft plinth]

Merry Christmas

[south pebble]

whats the gameplay versus a war maul if when I parry with the shield I cant hit back before he just goes for another swing?

[vague quest]

Space it if they have low action speed, or fight in narrow spaces (such as a doorway).

[hazy latch]

if not buckler
dont parry, instead hug and get in sour spot, jump up and down to avoid eating head shots while doing your best to protect your head - eat as much with your arms and give them as many head shots as possible

or, even better, go to a door

[south pebble]

alright imma try, thanks

[azure terrace]

anyone know if u can still pull keys from sharks lol

[timber brook]

Can they fix the god damn issue of game sometimes crashing when trying to watch deathcam :))) It's been here for so long it's not even funny.

[burnt torrent]

how to spawn portal to go back

[manic scaffold]

Can they remove druid healing have either one or the other honestly

[hardy stump]

what are you even on about?

[manic scaffold]

Taking about a druid being able to escape death easily with morph and then heal In a matter of seconds with spells

W game mechanics

[cobalt mica]

They did that already, kinda. Druids can't use most of their spells if they take shapeshift mastery

[hardy stump]

if you want to shapeshift and heal, you can't insta shapeshift

they get only 1 heal with 2 charges as insta shapeshift and you can zone them out of it

[abstract apex]

its already that way.

and the heal shapeshift mastery gets is two sided you can also walk into it and heal.

[manic scaffold]

Then why are insta shapeshift druids getting to one , running with chicken jump and insta heal in afew seconds in which I can only heal to half hp ?

[manic scaffold]

By the time you get into it they are full HP and can put damage the healing effect it will give you , especially as bear

[abstract apex]

then you can back away and med. bears are slow getting hit by one means you misplayed.

panther in literally up to legendaries can be 2 shot to the head.

[manic scaffold]

By the time I heal to half they are already on me with full HP cause of mending grove

[manic scaffold]

Panther not an issue unless you are low and misplaced

[abstract apex]

bear has -35% action speed and -20% movement speed even high geared they're super easy to avoid and punish. sounds like to me you need to practice distancing and not getting trapped

[manic scaffold]

Brother the issue is that if I wanna kill him I have to exchange damage and eventually when the druid runs for the 100 th time after I put him low I will also be low and thats when I can't do anything

[abstract apex]

go play a druid for a bit and you'll understand its weaknesses

but you don't have to exchange damage if you know how to distance or block depending on ur class

[manic scaffold]

It's way easier as fighter but if I play close range weapons it becomes almost impossible unless I stack HP

[cobalt mica]

Wanting to kill them is the problem, you can punish if they make mistakes but you can't really push or chase them. You can space out bear, other forms/human you can out trade and make them have to run away

[abstract apex]

thats also the other thing druids are mad squishy 1-2 hits and they have to run.

[manic scaffold]

That's the problem , why should there be a class with insane evasion of death , can heal more efficiently than most classes , and has multiple ways to kill people depending on the situation?

[abstract apex]

even if they stack PDR/HP they can't get more than 44% in human then ur throwing cause now you have to find a way to budget damage into gear since druid does abysmal damage now too. its the one thing the class is good at now constantly being able to disengage and run away. which pretty much only useful in solos.

[abstract apex]

why should there be a class with insane evasion of death , can heal more efficiently than most classes , and has multiple ways to kill people depending on the situation?
Warlock : uses barely any hp to DoT a target and heal 3x the fold has phantomize as a free get away in melee and can throw curses then melee someone
Fighter : Second Wind + sprint easiest PDR stack with MS still being high they have slayer aswell for a entire secondary build and they can always just build tank then get DMG stats and W+m1 any encounter.
Cleric: Literally a lifebloom druid but better in almost every single way.

[cobalt mica]

They are annoying but they're also not as strong as it might seem. They lose one on one against pretty much everything else, as long as you don't fight them in bear you'll always win exchanges. You might not kill them but they can't kill you either unless you mess up

[abstract apex]

i could get started on rogue and sorc with dash and double jump they can go into unreachable spots and at worst have to dodge projectiles while medding

Every class has something thats super stupid and gimmicky to others but to that class its pretty much the only way you can win.

[unkempt marsh]

Wishing everybody a safe and Merry Christmas!

[manic scaffold]

I'm taking about choices in a single game , so slayer fighter as a secondary build doesn't matter here , but I see what you mean about warlock and cleric ( in trios ) also fighter stacking high ms ? I'm not gonna start cause even stacking 30 ms doesn't do shit against the high AF damage magic casters still do

[abstract apex]

fighter can have 65% PDR and 300 MS in squire gear.

[manic scaffold]

With taunt ?

[abstract apex]

taunt gets you closer to 70%

with defense mastery and barricade

then you just play longsword which isn't really that hard to do.

[manic scaffold]

Ok

90 percent of the time the parry against players fails and doesn't work and you die

[abstract apex]

i picked up fighter for the first time this wipe and have decimated almost every boss in squire gear on farm killed several high lvl players

Thats not the case for me its all about distancing and not getting stuffed

[manic scaffold]

True true but longsword parry fail has made me go halberd after 1 K hours of the class

[abstract apex]

Worst class i have to face on a fighter is wiz/warlock

[manic scaffold]

Oh yup that's why I also started wearing dark plate

[abstract apex]

i've killed fulgor/elven bow and a levithan this wipe with fighter longsword parry

[manic scaffold]

And ms gear In general

[abstract apex]

best loot from players i've seen in wipes just in one wipe from a longsword parry cheek.

[burnt torrent]

how to spawn portal to go back home

[abstract apex]

yeah lightfoot + agi + swift and fighter is just solid and set.

[abstract apex]

gotta wait for them to open or find a staircase or elevator depending on the map.

[burnt torrent]

alright thanks

[abstract apex]

they can also be taken if you got there late you can tell by the portal being in the ground or not.

[manic scaffold]

I've been trying to get it to work again for the last week and it just doesn't Ive lost 100k cause of parry fail

Always when it needs to work it just doesn't and I die

[abstract apex]

i've been havin the time of my life with it then backup i've been using spear with hotswap crossbow

[manic scaffold]

Spear so op

[abstract apex]

cause yeah some classes parry juts doesn't work

so you need a good ol poke.

[manic scaffold]

It works so well especially against barb

[abstract apex]

barb/bear druid/ and clerics for me have been so free

[errant musk]

Ah yes two spell casts to get 35 total health… over time and is reduced if they go any animal form other than bear and stand to die

[manic scaffold]

Obv I've had problems with druid but the other two been ez af

[abstract apex]

where i slightly struggle with ranger/rogue but its still a pretty fair toss off.

and my hard counters is def wiz/warlock sorc isn't as bad cuz there isn't good sorc players on US west

[manic scaffold]

Landmine , you die unless you out run em , ranger just run until they lose focus

[abstract apex]

pretty much only been landmined once by a rogue on fighter and we traded lol

1/2 combo hit to his head and he died i died to the dot after the fact.

[bitter pond]

the game is dead af

[void glacier]

bruh i just wanna buy rubysilver ore from krampus and it doesent let me and says error code 60 sdf i will deinstall if o dont get my rubysilver emergency hotfix rn

[narrow thunder]

When is wipe?

[hardy stump]

and then, there is warlock that roflstomps with all its builds

[fringe granite]

God damn, Sparky really should quit before he goes bald

[sharp night]

does anyone know how to change my bow from left to right hand?

[fringe granite]

Dude is on such a hair trigger, he’s crashing out over losing a completely fair fight against a higher pdr fighter who hit him like 6 times plus a ls riposte

[cobalt mica]

But he's the main character and he clearly outplayed that guy??

[brittle wing]

it's because of the quick draw perk of ranger

[sharp hearth]

when is wipe?

[hazy latch]

just like my parents used to say
nobody gives a shit

[void glacier]

i think the guy is mega annoying, whining all the time

[granite bridge]

Hello guys is there anyway to get more fps in game? Playing 1080p or 4k makes no difference in fps

[burnt torrent]

how do i beat the acid throwing worm

its hella poweerful from goblin cave

[void glacier]

pop some molly

[void glacier]

u new at the game wanna run a few rounds?

[trim basalt]

Is there any way to know which bosses drop what nameds now ?

[analog summit]

when it goes underground walk a direction until it attacks and it will likely miss. also can go in circle a little or jump at the end

otherwise no matter what you stand on it will hit you

[void glacier]

he means the centipede in gc bro

[analog summit]

oh

[vapid oyster]

same as every other mob in the game, step to the side and hit it in the head

[analog summit]

give it a big kiss

[analog grove]

guys does it help to play with shittier graphics to get smoother game play while having further radius? got 3070 rtx laptop and I feel like upgrading but havent seen anything worth buying yet

[hazy latch]

frenching the axeman is so bis

[vapid oyster]

it's the game, they "upgraded" the unreal engine recently and performance is shit now for everyone

[manic cliff]

step to the right, to the right
now to the left, to the left
now twirl baby, twirl

dungeon shuffle, if you can't do teh
dungeon shuffle, i'll teaach you

here's a tissue, for ya pants
here's, a tissue for ya pants
cuz youre wet, wet, wet

dungeon shuffle

[void glacier]

very cool man

[hazy latch]

drier than my cremated mom tbh

[manic cliff]

sounds skill issues to me tbf

this 150%

[red pendant]

when is wipe?

[hazy creek]

I have a wish... is arena 24/7 open

[vapid oyster]

It's both, someone throws a few fire bombs and my frames tank, I'm on a 4090 lol

[orchid torrent]

Remove Druid

[indigo valve]

Remove Druid

Pls sdf I need this

[ocean oxide]

How do i get duo pvp guys

WHERE CAN I GET DUO PVP AT

[silver dagger]

"This week in Fart and Farter!"

[indigo valve]

ruins

on na east at least

and gc sometimes

[finite roost]

i'm trying to get gear for areana but nothing is saying its found by me its just showing as blank how do i make it for sure found by me

[keen mauve]

If you give it to expressman, I'm pretty sure it won't count as you finding it

[hasty stirrup]

Anyone know when wipe is? And trio pvp where?

[hasty stirrup]

Expressman found it at that point lol

[vagrant fulcrum]

Expected in January #📢announcements message

[mellow stone]

any have problem with shift click for swith item fast ??

[vagrant fulcrum]

Sometimes shift-click doesn't work (equip or move to container / stash / merchant inventory) because you've alt-tabbed recently. Press Alt to 'un-stick' the key and try again.
This is the same issue as when you right-click items to send them to your inventory from a chest, but it drops on the ground instead.
Or it could be a different bug or issue.

[mellow stone]

ok thanks

[timber lynx]

when new season start>?

[vague quest]

#📢announcements

[abstract apex]

only way to save the game now is to remove warlock

[orchid torrent]

Druid*

[abstract apex]

warlock*

[solid cave]

ight real shit is arenas back to normal or is it like last week?

[orchid torrent]

I'd rather Fight 10demons 10TMlocks and 10melee locks at once than see 1 druid

[nova jetty]

You're sorta just buns, ig.

[abstract apex]

warlock/bard/sorc killed the game tbh

[nova jetty]

sorc the easiest class in game to beat. only class that has obvious downtimes and times to punish.

[solid cave]

whats arenas looking like guts

[analog grove]

driuds are fine tho? kek

[abstract apex]

yup anything past warlock i just lumped sorc in there cuz its funny.

[analog grove]

bunny hop players or mouse speed 0.05 using entire table to move your bow to shoot and dislocating your shoulder

which one will it be?

[abstract apex]

both and the lobbies filled with em just like sdfs vision calls for

[vapid oyster]

we're complaining about people that adjust their mouse sensitivity now

[analog grove]

I just watched that one guide on how to become a good ranger, cause I was desperately trying to climb arena rank.

[vapid oyster]

it's time to consider that maybe pvp games are just not for you

[analog grove]

After playing for 2 normals like a "pro" I realized the amount of pain killers and adderall id need will literally kill me within a week

[abstract apex]

pvp games are just bad.

they dont make em like they use too.

[vapid oyster]

implying you'd last more than 30 seconds in quake 3

[indigo valve]

Druid

[abstract apex]

quakes goated.

[analog grove]

calling quake 3 a hard core game, now I know you are taking a piss

[vapid oyster]

ermergerd I have to strafe jump!?!?! that's not good for the new player experience!!!

[analog grove]

I think a game is nice where everyone is equally shit

[vapid oyster]

you're complaining about people that set their mouse sensitivity and acting hard lmfao

[analog grove]

like if all were barb noob gear 2 hand axe speed or fighter full PDR, and slow clerics running, thats when the game peaked

[vapid oyster]

you can't be more soft

[analog grove]

complaining about people =/= saying that setting mouse speed to low in order to be relevant in a game is too hard on joints

[vapid oyster]

kek

[analog grove]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[nova jetty]

Is S2R pvp active enough to donwload the game rn?

[orchid torrent]

Yeah, people who struggle against sorc just don't know what the spells do or something. That class is awful right now

[orchid torrent]

Should be pretty active

[steel rampart]

Is Jolly Time perk from bard finnaly unbanned in Arena?

[ashen willow]

sdf, if u remove druid, unironically you will gain alot of players back

gl with your game bro

[solid plaza]

Yeah s2r pvp goes dummy

[abstract apex]

bro just pipe down ur bad if u lose to druids its that simple. They literally get statchecked by every single class now.

[solid cave]

arenas is closed?????

@glad thunder what happened

[formal moon]

CLOSED

[solid cave]

why

[formal moon]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ashen willow]

dont care if they good or bad they ruin the game with the stupid game breaking mobility to just perma rat and never be in any sort of danger

[edgy ingot]

how much is leviathan price?

[abstract apex]

Cleric ruins the game Fighter ruins the game Warlock ruins the game.

The devs don't care who ruins the game for you. its here to stay

[formal moon]

sdf ruins mums

[rich dove]

where can u craft spectral cloak

[ashen willow]

No all these charachters run at max 330 ms and dont change their hitbox, even if theyre broken or not, they dont have game breaking mechanics that defy the games logic

[abstract apex]

druids animal forms are capped at 315 movement speed. and all those characters have gimmicks worst than "changing their hitbox"

sorry twin just stay mad that you got killed by a virtual class in a game. the devs aint removing druid

[ashen willow]

no1 wants to go into dung knowing full well druids exist bro idc what ur du**ass believes, no one likes this class and if its gone its for the best for the game and for the players

[abstract apex]

it aint going anywhere just because ur crying about it

[ashen willow]

then the game will just die

[abstract apex]

they put too much time for the class to be removed 🙂

[ashen willow]

they have to remove rat form and panther jump. it needs to be a class that fits in this games universe

[abstract apex]

as sorc dash and rogue DJ exist 🙂

nothingburger complaints from someone who can't fight a class that can only engage in melee with 0 ranged

[ashen willow]

that shit is stupid but not AS stupid still. druid is infinitely more annoying

[abstract apex]

these are solo player issues and honestly solo gameplay sucks already anyways

they could just remove solos again and we'd be better off

[ashen willow]

Yeah cause that went really well lol

[abstract apex]

same pop as now so thats not the reason the game is dying 🙂

[quasi plover]

please make it take 20 seconds to loot someone elses kill

[ashen willow]

Theres alot of reasons and a big one is that they actually dont give a fk and went on to remove solos, which made alot of ppl who quit not wanna come back, but there is more. druid ruins the game by itself

[quasi plover]

game is literally the worst, 3rd party central with naked rogues and druids that come to scoop loot after a fight then leave

[shut mural]

Skill issue

[ashen willow]

just rework and remove every single game breaking mechanic. not that hard

dont add stupid shit into the game

[shut mural]

if they deleted water and ice map and focus on new classes and perks/skills game would be pog

[abstract apex]

yeah because everyone just wants to play GC and ruins lol

[dull vapor]

i like all of the maps, its gets too boring with only 1 or 2 in the rotation

[dull vapor]

im already struggling enough when i third party, no need for any more

[hoary harness]

it makes me sad when no ones on

merry christmas to all you filthy animals

[naive coral]

make Drums break when u throw them...

[solid cave]

arenas open now?

?????????????

[hollow jolt]

trash game gonna die

[ebon river]

Haven't played for a year.
Has this game gotten any better or is sdf still "cooking"?

[floral loom]

i wanna know aswell

[signal igloo]

❌

[sand sedge]

[indigo sinew]

Arenas not letting you q after 2200 as a team is stupid

[lean yacht]

whens wipe

[young vessel]

whoever chose these maps deserves to have their legs broken

slowly