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bitter citrus
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They should remove gear completely and have people pick up gold coins on their way to the extraction flag... portal, the extraction portal. @sturdy agate him being the only one left playing is his only chance of actually escaping the dungeon for once. motive established

mortal ginkgo
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Guys talking about fixing things by adding +1 true if you stab a skeleton 40xwith a dagger and multiclassing when they cant even balance the classes they have lol

They clearly dont have a plan

clever mauve
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if nothing change there will be 100 ppl on the game at end of august

tough lance
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#free PastorBacon

azure thorn
stuck gull
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em guys is this game worth playing im new Salute

mellow river
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SDF and Greyson blocked me. Black pregnant goblins WILL NOT be added in the NEXT patch.

muted swift
mystic sky
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💯

bitter citrus
cyan spindle
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Where to read last post

dusky sparrow
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I need to ask, does 5 redstone shards and 1 blue one can buy together something for 6 shards?

north breach
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fuck me this game is so ass

void kestrel
gray kestrel
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why people are so sore on recent update ? I didnt play for a while

sullen heart
willow terrace
tough lance
azure thorn
fringe granite
pallid dust
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I'm not a particularly skilled DnD player. I have spent my fair share of hours in the game. And I like to grind and feel excitement about finding good gear when killing a boss or looting a gold pile. I also enjoy saving up so I can build myself a powerful build, and try to get som lucky kills on more skilled and geared players than me. Taking away build variety and solo and duo ques, just leaves me unable to do anything I find joy in, in this game. I will not return until they choose a different direction for this game. It's such a sad moment to see this game being destroyed.

runic drift
sturdy agate
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Can we at least get sexy skins if the game blows?

mystic sky
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Bard, warlock and sometimes wizard depending on what you want to do. After that probably any class with range will have an easier time like sorcerer

clever mauve
bitter citrus
median holly
quaint sluice
gloomy wraith
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remove trios

wooden gulch
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"We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy." what the fcking point if your wealth have no use because there is nothing to buy because item are useless more or less ?

fickle rose
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surely the devs will listen on the next update 🫑

runic drift
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Why have in game wealth with no gear to invest in, smh. I think we can all agree braking down doors based on weapon impact is a w tho

cyan spindle
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Reading sdf’s last post scared me, this is not going to end well…

trim quartz
mellow river
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@pastel tusk bring back black pregnant goblins

gray kestrel
median holly
# quaint sluice How original

After months of people writing chatgpt sad stories about being tired of patches and the game I ran out of original ideas, you only get the classics now.

vapid herald
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We’re not particularly good at developing games in that way.

quaint sluice
bitter citrus
fluid lily
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I just finished reading sdf's post and whatever he is drinking ain't good, there is no way you are so disconnected from your game without external help aka drinking vinegar.

grand swallow
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2 words prego gobo

frail ermine
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sdf are you special? you say you want to move away from time=power then in the same message you want to add a WEAPON AND ARMOR MASTERY SYSTEM?

dense pawn
# gray kestrel Lowkey sounds like the best time for me to return to the game 🥸

Current patch is half baked. I think the direction is good but it needs a lot of tweaking. We are in lab rat mode, and as far as I understand there will be a lot of adjustments in the coming weeks...

For now, main problem is 1 tap meta, coming from:

  • windlass headshots
  • normal crossbow headshots from rangers (on squishy classes)
  • warlock with halberd + boc
  • barbarian with reckless

Even if they get rid of this terrible mechanic, the game is way different from the gear grinding sweat fest it's been in the past year. If you play it casually, I think you will enjoy it a lot.

gray kestrel
lyric marsh
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is dark and darker bad since the new patches and wipes ( not playable anymore ) ?

median holly
willow terrace
misty urchin
hearty fiber
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it was till the semi wipe

fading palm
rapid lava
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the fact that it took sdf 15 paragraphs to say "i suck at communicating, we suck at planning, also we dont wanna follow successful formulas, i am satisfied with the current state of the game" tells me all I need to know about where this game is going and what the developers are doing to it.

tropic rain
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Hey guys, let's pretend I am @glad thunder for a moment.

I need to make a decision about the game's future.

❌ Use statistics
✅ Follow my vision

And that's how the least played game mode is now the unique option in the game.

Remember guys, don't consume psychedelics or you will end up just like SDF.

frozen sleet
bitter citrus
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Steam player count looks like it will drop below 2k today. 7 weeks til wipe. The Last Lineholders.

gray kestrel
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I kinda want the map from playtest 1 with the zone to comeback. Playtest 1-2-3 was the best time it ever was

fluid lily
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All they had to do improve from last season:

  1. Remove true phys/magic dmg from goldsmith
  2. Remove +1 all from goldsmith
  3. Nerf ranged dmg (handless rangers so they can't spam 200 arrows and miss 180 but still kill)
  4. Increase ttk
  5. Don't remove solos

Game felt good for the most part, it only needed some changes (that weren't what we got).

What we got? 2k players and 27% positive reviews on steam.

near jasper
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Deathmatch and deathmatcher

median holly
raven wasp
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Im holding the line this patch has been great

sly adder
analog summit
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where one would think a foot soldier or fighter would carry a long polearm like a bardiche instead it is a shirtless barbarian who can move too fast with it and one taps effortlessly

tropic rain
frozen sleet
keen cedar
mental tulip
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3k 24hour peak. Great job cooking down the player base 😂

lyric creek
# raven wasp Im holding the line this patch has been great

I honestly enjoy where its at, I stand a chance as any class now and still die just the same for my timmy mistakes. The combat triangles back, rangers are out there as the easy win class, but when you have a decent wizard/sorc +shield player with a healer backing them doing a door stand off you'll take um easy.

fluid lily
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sdf: "but I also hope you’ll continue to provide feedback so we can build a better game together." / Discord mods: How about a 5 minute slow mode?

gray kestrel
harsh palm
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were's random attributes ???

bitter citrus
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"let them cook" is a phrase you say about someone you have recently learn has good ideas. not someone who has been in the kitchen for years burning all the food and running away all the customers. this reminds me of those restaurants on kitchen nightmares who refuse to have any accountability and insist it isn't their food but just bad customers

mellow river
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What drawbacks exist for implementing black pregnant goblins?

fading palm
earnest cliff
near jasper
frail ermine
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i cant take @sdf seriously when he contradicts himself by saying remove time=power, then saying a mastery system should be in the game, if you are sad that people say you ruin the game on purpose, stop doing dumb things like this

runic jacinth
edgy salmon
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Jesus this makes the outlook for the future of this game much more bleak than I thought. Everything he discussed seems like it’s still in the conceptual phase, not anything close to implementation.

Doubling down on the current state of gear and insanely low ttk.

Multi classing returning as a substitution for sub classes which is not what anyone meant when asking for sub classes.

No real discussion on how they plan to make looting actually worthwhile. Entire games economy is dead right now and there was no discussion on what they’re going to do to fix it.

Sad thing is I don’t think this game is going to have a playerbase long enough for them to actually implement some of the conceptual things he discussed.

raven wasp
vague nymph
lunar edge
calm beacon
robust mica
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To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now

tropic rain
coarse nova
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the dungeon crawler vision was actually a br all along
let's all make 3 ranger teams & show him the state of the game

bitter citrus
# near jasper Lol it's exactly like that

right? that's the vibe it's giving isn't it? "F you Gordon Ramsey, my microwaved chicken cutlets are top tier, it's just you and these a hole customers don't know what is good!"

median holly
quiet finch
# gray kestrel I think this isn't a big deal, sweats are ruinning games.Take Mordhau for instan...

This statement is so fundamentally wrong.
Sweats as you call them, do not destroy games. Every game has the top 1% tier players and always had. The issue is the developer, just like in mordhau that they fail to give content and learning grounds for new players so they aren't worth targeting for the "sweats".

Mordhau for example never got any updates basically since launch. The rating system was a total joke and the devs never really took cheaters seriously. The game has no objective than to mindlessly slaughter other players.

DaD is a totally dif animal. This game has never had any proper introduction for new players and "sweats" have been totally overpowered with their never ending bis kits - making average players feel bad - not able to compete. However, even if you had the exact same gear - these "sweats" would still be technically way better than you are in the game and therefore you still have no chance. This is why you need any system that makes it not worth the top tier players to play with average joes and let players rise steadily as they get more and more experience in the game (and their skill level goes up).

near jasper
harsh palm
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why remove stats in a game wich need stat to open a door , some builds and playstyle are just gone

twilit crag
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Important question: Will the failings of the current semi-wipe be reverted or am I forced to uninstall this game and never touch it again?

lunar edge
teal rivet
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guys is anyones else hell in ruins green?

tropic rain
# median holly If you lie to yourself long enough maybe even you will start believing this. <@2...

Man, I am one of these negative reviews. I have played this game since playtest 1. I love this game just as much as everyone else who is complaining in this discord. Why do you think that we complain? BECAUSE THE GAME WAS AT A REALLY GREAT STATE BEFORE THEY REMOVED SOLOS, HR EPIC, BLUE NORMALS AND RANDOM MODIFIERS. It was fun, enjoyable and there was a place fore everyone. Now it is an only trios battle royale where looting or bossing doesn't even make sense anymore. I love this game and I am just sad and frustrated that it is getting ruined by an horrible lead developer.

TRIOS WERE LITERALLY THE LEAST PLAYED GAME MODE AND NOW THEY MADE IT THE UNIQUE OPTION. WTF??????? Sdf should take some statistic classes

river iron
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SQUIRE BARBS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ONE SHOT EVERY CLASS

gloomy wraith
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remove trios. bring back solos

robust mica
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To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now

velvet dirge
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What are random modifiers

lyric creek
deep charm
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SDF needs to leave holy shit he's ad

raven wasp
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You a bot or you just copy and paste from reddit?

rapid lava
coarse nova
frail ermine
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Its just that Ironmace had lightning in a bottle, opened it, and sharted in it violently

merry crater
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Rogue is so ass its insane

boreal flame
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Tired of ungrateful gamers harassing devs who work hard to give us a good game

fair yacht
bitter citrus
lunar edge
lone otter
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WAKE UP! Return to Patch #68!

velvet dirge
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Im extremely satisfied with the current state of the game it is the most rational

Its easier to find a match, no gs separation, all players are forced to join the same game so it takes less time to join a match, and that it mainly due to the lack of player numbers, so yeah, with the available resources? This is the smartest update ever

rapid lava
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LOL you talking about one true Morty? The sorc main, I don't think any of the main streamers are playing it rn other than him

flat flower
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do they realize they torched this game?

misty dome
deep charm
frail ermine
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"im sad that people think we ruin this game on purpose" proceeds to ruin the game more

novel hawk
radiant basin
lucid flower
graceful storm
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Okay so what does everyone think of SDFs messages and future game direction?

lunar edge
deft parrot
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Down to 3k players but we promise you the game is fine

cunning mauve
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how does one not extract for 3 hours what

indigo mountain
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@glad thunder you goblin looking pleb

velvet dirge
calm beacon
bitter citrus
snow wave
olive light
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If you need loot to enjoy the game, you’re playing it wrong. The real treasure is the emotional damage we took along the way.

mellow river
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WE WANT BLACK AVATARS

pseudo breach
lunar edge
deft parrot
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You just continue chasing wealth bro focus

frail ermine
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sdf wants you to chase wealth not power, then talks about adding a mastery system to items, which will make you chase power

coarse nova
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destroy the economy with dubious religions probably for another X skin remake

clever mauve
cedar shore
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@glad thunder why not let us play last patch and have all of this testing be on a tester server? This is currently unplayble

outer dagger
granite nexus
quick pike
cunning mauve
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me when a solo barb with nothing better to do with his life full wipes a lobby of 90 hp rogues, bards, sorc, and rangers because they have squire gear and he has one purple felling axe he bought for 90 coins.

bitter citrus
south vigil
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It’s crazy the game was literally so good last patch. Yea some minor balancing issues but at least there was progression

cosmic swan
velvet dirge
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It would never lose those no lifers theyd accept whatever, and the kids are gonna quit which is extremely good for the community, in addition
to that, everything is awesome

Yall just like to riot and complain about literally anything, game is fun and it will always be fun cause the core of it is still the same, quit being childish and enjoy the game as is, they will change things and if they don’t, thats is, accept it or play a different game, complaining is annoying, i come here to talk about the game and all i see is that bunch of fellas crying so hard over insignificant changes like bruhhh

worldly hedge
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Why is it so hard for the Devs to realize this will not turn out good obviously you see the state of the game. Listen to the people man

olive light
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No modifiers, no solo queue, no purpose? Sounds like a W to me. It’s not a game anymore, it’s a lifestyle.

radiant basin
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The state that they put this game honestly makes me feel like I need to uninstall for 8 months minimum before I return. It’s so terrible and if you’re actually justifying it you are so far propagandized and in the pockets of Ironmace it’s not even funny. There’s literally no reason to play this game if you’re a solo player. I don’t want to play with randoms, if I get 1v3’d I can maybe kill 2 of the 3 unless they’re absolutely terrible, but even if I do kill them, what’s the point?

willow terrace
deep charm
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I dont understand how the rest of the company is allowing SDF to do this, there's real people with jobs on the line that joined a 100,000 peak player base game company, that now has only 3000 on wipe weekend. He should understand its not just his game, other people are at risk if he continues to hurt the community.

waxen tide
mellow river
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They should implement goblin meat to make you temporarily immune to the poison

solid plaza
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i have bad timing took a break from this game for no big reason now its so bad if only i took a break now instead of 3 months ago

terse nova
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Recall "I’m generally satisfied with where things are now, and I plan to use this point as the foundation for further tuning."

crisp wren
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we are going back to multiclassing yippeeeee

frozen sleet
buoyant island
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how long this cooking will be ?

cosmic swan
quick pike
languid finch
soft otter
viral tree
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We all should just play the test server tbh. Solos and one random modifier on gear.

deep charm
oblique idol
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Yeah this is what we need. Double down on removing item modifiers and not adding quiver. AND as a special bonus they are bringing back multi classing!!!! I CANT WAIT. IM SO HAPPY I SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS ON THIS GAME

dense nest
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Sdf is the worst leader known to man

lunar edge
cunning mauve
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can a starving victorian child take over leadership? Im convinced they would have better decision making than SDF

buoyant island
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He trying to plumb the sht out of the roast or he is trying to check where the toilet got blocked

quick pike
outer dagger
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3 years down the line and they're still trying to figure out how some weapons are meant to work, I have exactly 0 hope that multiclassing will ever be fully balanced or at least workable enough to implement.
Multiclassing is ok for a couple of weeks of madness between seasons, but honestly, do you ever see it working properly in the game?

tight acorn
velvet dirge
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Honestly, this new update is actually a good move, even if a lot of ppl are crying about it. Removing random modifiers might seem like a huge nerf to loot excitement, but let’s be real—gear was way too busted before. Some dude would just get a lucky +all stats +true dmg sword and suddenly be unkillable, while others would grind and get trash. Now it’s way more balanced, everyone’s on the same page, and it’s more about skill than praying to RNG gods.

Also, merging solos, duos, and trios into the same lobby is lowkey genius. It keeps queue times short and the matches way more intense. Sure, it’s scary going solo into a squad-fest, but that’s kinda the point—makes fights way more unpredictable and fun. And ngl, it gives more room for creative plays instead of just matching up with same comp types over and over.

And yeah, for f2p players, this update is a w. No more crazy pay-to-win feeling from people buying/trading god-tier gear. Everyone’s grinding from the same starting point. Some of the old sweaty players might leave, but who cares tbh—new players will come in and actually stick around now. It’s the only real way to make the game fair and grow long-term. Might not be perfect rn, but this is def the smartest move they could’ve made.

oblique idol
grand quail
willow terrace
tall pulsar
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GO BACK TO PATCH 68

deep charm
median holly
soft horizon
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Howdy folks, who should I talk to about trying to get in touch with IM? I don't know which mods are active and I assume everyone is being flooded with dms right now. I'm an unreal dev and I wanna help out

cobalt pine
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GUYS WE SHOULD MASSIVE QUIT THE GAME

cursive venture
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The development team is doing a wonderful job of accomplishing "the vision". The vision of 0 players online. Keep up the great work!

outer dagger
blazing obsidian
# velvet dirge Honestly, this new update is actually a good move, even if a lot of ppl are cryi...

removing a FEW broken modifiers(which we ALL KNEW THEY WERE BROKEN and 0 reason to implemented again in the way they were) is much different then gutting literally all of it.. if you think new players are gonna stick around with this, you're legit lying to yourself lmao

@soft horizon I tried getting in touch with IM about a bug that the DLC wiped everything in my already existing stash and they ghosted me... so GL with w.e you're trying to ask for.

mossy wing
river oyster
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"It saddens me to hear claims that we’re intentionally ruining the game." well sdf you are doing quite that

willow terrace
grand quail
lunar edge
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Things that would be a better dev than SDF:

A homeless man
A Crab
A wom.....bat
Anything else?

Also, good lord, @Ramsey , you complain that you dislike people complaining about the game, but you don`t seem to stop reading and making paragraphs of this, haha. How much SDF paying you?

soft horizon
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Let me try asking this, who is the most active mod here?

olive light
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If you need loot to enjoy the game, you’re playing it wrong. The real treasure is the emotional damage we took along the way.

stone gulch
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What About Set bonuses? if your not going to have random mods, you wont have any builds.

tough smelt
lost tinsel
fast marsh
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Been having connection issues for the past two days. I guess my access to this game is cooked. F in chat for the memories made.

tulip plinth
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hello guys concerning the seasonal rewards can we claim them yet or do we have to wait for the next season ?

tough smelt
glass wadi
solemn zodiac
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Shoutout to SDF, who actually responding (after the fire went out albiet) but with the balls to say "I think this is a good starting spot" 70 Patches into a game

deft parrot
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My heart is yours
It's you that I hold on to
Yeah, that's what I do
And I know I was wrong
But I won't let you down
Oh, yeah, I will, yeah, I will, yes, I will

sweet ore
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As soon as a looter/extraction turns into a game where there is no point in looting and no one cares about getting out alive, you've kinda lost the entire purpose of the game

hoary nova
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Chat are we cooked?

warm kraken
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I logged in today after not playing for a few months.
There is literally no reason to play anything except 0-24

umbral urchin
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This vision is me uninstalling thank you for showing me

fair yacht
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well written. but i think some of the concepts are too advanced for these devs to understand

bitter citrus
cunning jolt
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Frock sdf. all my homies hate sdf

wooden pasture
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just saw this game has 2k online is it really that dead?

ocean gale
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I miss my Dungeon Crawler 😭

median salmon
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SumDumFuk had a vision, and it was sub 2k players in game. He is making it a reality!

sacred iron
quick token
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I think the new update actually fixed the game. It was in a really rough place a couple patches ago .

thorn glen
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Or, a new foundation for the existing extractor fantasy thats in Early Access development. You over simplified the new loop. Please show me how a unique kit isn't better than squire, and how it wouldn't be an exciting come up from a squire kit? You telling me +20 agility, or strength or vigor doesn't matter against a squire kit right now? It wouldn't help at all? Really?

near pivot
median holly
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At the end of the day, the Devs can't force you to play the game.
Clearly you don't want to do anything in the game that sounds like a you problem.
Adapt, overcome, survive. You're stuck at the first part

teal rivet
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is anyones else hell in ruins green instead of red?

upper wolf
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@fleet imp IS HE IN PRISON YET ? IS HE SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE #JAILSDF

manic scaffold
bitter citrus
lost tinsel
fleet imp
weary herald
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what is some red orb that deals like 50 damage when warlock transforms into the demon form?

heavy idol
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Bring solos back

ocean gale
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Don't make the monke madge, the monke is a good man

thorn glen
velvet dirge
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Why PvP in Dark and Darker Is the Most Balanced It’s Ever Been:
-Gear Doesn't Save You Anymore: With the gear gap removed, fights aren’t about who has better loot—they're about who plays better. If you lost, it’s probably a skill issue.
-Outplays Matter More Than Ever: Dodging spells, landing headshots, using terrain—all of it can swing a fight. If someone clapped you while wearing grey gear, that’s a skill issue.
-Every Class Feels Viable: No more one-class dominance. If you’re getting rolled, it’s not because your class is bad—it’s a you problem. Again, skill issue.
-Fewer Random Deaths, More Fair Duels: With bugs and broken weapons being fixed, PvP is cleaner. If you still can’t win fights, you guessed it: skill issue.
-Good Players Stand Out Now: PvP finally rewards awareness, positioning, and smart cooldown use. If you’re struggling to keep up, it’s not the game’s fault—it’s a skill issue.
-It’s On You Now: No more blaming gear, balance, or RNG. If you’re dying consistently, it’s time to get better… because right now, PvP is fair—and it’s a straight-up skill issue.

tribal zodiac
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I loved being scared as fk hidding in corners when I heard someone. anguish
Thats was the Peak od adrenaline boost from this game

lunar edge
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hot take: extraction looters aren`t meant to always have fair fights.

bitter citrus
toxic notch
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gentlemen i havent played dark and darker for a while and i heard they removed solo matchmaking and i typically prefer playing solo, any classes yall would recommend for me to learn so maybe i can stand a chance against trios if i dont skill issue?

willow terrace
median salmon
signal sundial
deep summit
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rip this game

frail ermine
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lets be honest, the game was fundamentally flawed, having both classes and gear in an extraction game is a nightmare to balance, but to delete one or the other will create an outrage in the community

velvet dirge
wet barn
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Game still bad or what happened

lunar edge
thorn glen
dark sluice
harsh palm
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we seen many and many hell patches on dnd but this one is the worst ever seen in a game

cursive venture
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League has not removed all unique item attributes...

robust sigil
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just walk the changes back we won’t judge

warped anvil
willow terrace
bitter citrus
wet barn
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@dark sluice what happened

cursive venture
mental halo
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Is there a way to share the twitch reward chest without spending 9$

robust mica
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how do i get better squire gear?

rugged quest
warped anvil
quick pike
thorn glen
# bitter citrus a rogue, wizard, sorc, druid, or unbuffed bard? yea easy 1 tap from a squire ran...

I've been playing melee lock this wipe, not PDR though. Building around 310 ms weapon away. Using the halberd, BOC, and phantomize. This 1v3 shits hard, I'm getting old. The kits I build definitely help a little with the movespeed especially. The halberd sweet spot headshots are doing like 150-160 to a dummy +~25 from BOC. @crisp wagon I've had some pretty nice 1v3 successes with this build. The phantomise fakeout is so handy with the halberd range. Lets me fight barbs too.

eternal tapir
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did they remove the choice to pick if u wanted to do solo duo or trio?

crisp wagon
sullen flower
glass silo
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Theres no build, just pick barb and go 1 tap people

lunar edge
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what a way top remove thje point of looting in an extraction looter

wintry sun
# fluid lily All they had to do improve from last season: 1. Remove true phys/magic dmg fro...

They should remove true damage generally unless it's significantly worst (50%) of added damage
Sure on the +1 all on goldsmith
Ranged damage should be tuned according to hp and # of shots they can take before the distance is closed, way too much dmg at the moment
Solo should stay removed until there is enough solo balance (skill mechanics for all classes to do well), or playbase to support it. Have one matchtype will lead to better, focused development on the game that actually gets somewhere

spare marten
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this game was ruined by his developers, GG IM u kill the game intencionally, cause no one is too stupid to implement over and over mechanics that sucks and have no sense bye, i never play again this sht

robust mica
bitter citrus
smoky jetty
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" It saddens me to hear claims that we’re intentionally ruining the game "

warped anvil
eternal tapir
thorn glen
# robust mica whats the phantomize fakeout? im gonna try the build. what gear do you use?

You can activate your Blow or Corruption and go into Phantomize right after. You can cancel Phantomize at any time with F. So, use it to avoid a hit and setting up that halberd BOC cannon. If you can land a headshot, you'll 1 tap most soft classes. Phantomize is also kind of anti ranger allowing you to close the distance without turning into a pin cushion.

coarse robin
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Why la nobody selling artifacts?

frozen sleet
sullen flower
crisp wagon
median salmon
rough blaze
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no reason to hr so there will be no artifacts

charred pivot
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Are you all liking the game still? How is it holding up?

signal sundial
thorn glen
eternal tapir
sullen flower
leaden spade
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@glad thunder Why tf would anyone think lowering HP pools makes 3v1 any easier or at least better in any way.... this game is even more ranged meta than it has ever been now that two crossbows is a death, 3 if your fighter or barb and didnt get headshot

near vapor
#

To sum up SDF's most recent posts:

"we don't have a roadmap and won't commit to one... sorry for our patches making no sense for the last few years, we're just kinda doing stuff on the fly with no long-term plan and we're pretty bad at game development... it'll be better now that we still don't have a long-term plan

Also, this is Terry's vision now, not mine (I wanted attributes)"

plucky peak
#

Reading SDFs latest rant in #sdfs-kitchen gave me brain damage and now I’m gonna have to get my stomach pumped because I’m constipated. THANKS SDF

crisp wagon
robust mica
bitter citrus
quiet finch
plucky peak
#

**🥣 ✂️ SDF 🎪 **

heady estuary
#

sdf must hate having a playerbase (playerbase drops by 70% and bro says "were satisfied"

minor light
#

3K playerbase💀

bitter citrus
zenith bramble
#

pvp on squire is the only fun thing bro, pvp on legendary is the fking same of pvp on squire

heady ridge
#

SDF kitchen in a nutshell, we're blaming the community for the direction of the game as it was prior to patch 69 and now we're fixing it because we're incompetent and have never actually made a game prior to stealing this one. Buy more Redstone shards.

sullen vector
#

Damn it’s actually gg guys

clear jasper
sullen flower
#

The Dark grows Darker

torpid acorn
#

WHY CAN I HIGHROLL NAKED?

calm beacon
crisp wren
low helm
#

yes sdf confirmed what ive been saying. new gear baseline for balance is a much needed put off task. its only up from here. 2k player base or not this game is going to get exponetially better

inner olive
#

"I’ve come to realize that many people are still unsure about what sdf’s vision truly is." -sdf

uncut plover
#

i just got banned for nothing?????? i was just leaving the dungeon and it said i had abnormal behavior i have no third party extensions or anything of the sort @zinc sparrow

cursive venture
#

Despite SDF's claims to the contrary, his decisions are actively harming Dark and Darker. Many of the changes being implemented go against the wishes of the majority of the playerbase, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to believe these are objective design choices. It seems more likely that his personal struggles with playing the game at a high level are influencing these decisions perhaps in an effort to level the playing field and secure easier wins for himself.

Ironmace, I’d welcome the opportunity to step in and contribute meaningfully to this project. Based on the current direction and the data I’ve reviewed, I seriously question the game's profitability under the current leadership. I would gladly take on SDF’s role for a fraction of the cost, 1/10, to be specific. Either way, I’ll be checking back in six months to see where things stand.

bitter citrus
#

"The SDF says... IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!" - SDF

solemn tusk
median salmon
wet barn
wet hemlock
zenith bramble
eternal tapir
heady ridge
#

Only 3 more years of development guys and the game will be fixed! It's not like we've been in the same cycle since the games inception. Trust me though THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT GUYS. I swear this time the game will actually get somewhere while we have y'all test this wiped clean game with 0 content.

quiet finch
signal sundial
runic parcel
#

GOOD THING DUNGEON STALKERS FINAL PLAYTEST IS LIVE. Free, nothing to lose but time. They give free 3k currency to get the pass all charcters and some skins. Also free gold just for playing to get your items. No gold stash cap! Dont need to use space holding thoes usless bags. TTK is actually balanced

fast marsh
#

two times now I've extracted and all of the loot I extracted with is gone. wtf? cooked.

calm torrent
#

Ironmace needs to do what no mans sky did. turn off social media and only put out content updates while looking at what people complain about

tidal jasper
clear jasper
# zenith bramble wym bro a legendary hablerd has like 4 more damage than a green one its almost n...

You want to get down into the nitty gritty is make a difference for certain classes. Yes we can talk about barb and how he gets about the same weapon damage on a base compared to a lengdary but for warlock my mag healing becomes usable and my bear build on durid has enough damage to one hit a barb. I know it’s hard to see past the line when you compare it to last wipe. But gears still does stuff

low helm
#

sdf also confirmed community needs set them back which i knew. people have been begging for reverts recently and i was praying sdf didnt give in and he confirmed hes no longer giving in. its all his vision now. no more community pressure reverts. SDF finally becoming the big dog he needs to be. the future is bright bright bright.

wicked basin
#

This archer meta is fn lame.

daring kettle
#

cant they just revert the game to how it was 1 year ago... good times

snow sparrow
ashen willow
#

no way its not being reverted

velvet dirge
#

It looks to me that people are just joining the hate wave like sheep instead of just enjoying the game pretty most of yalls opinions aint even that original

clear pendant
#

how many players on dungeon? im not even logging on for checking it..

rough blaze
#

4k

void kestrel
#

Testing on an extremely small sample size ( 2.5k players in dungeon ) is not going to produce good results, mark my words

inner olive
#

"We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy. Of course, players who invest time will still feel a certain amount of power growth and advantage, but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them."-sdf

tame elbow
bitter citrus
manic scaffold
sullen flower
#

Y’all took lil bro’s rage bait lmao

stable urchin
#

Do they read chat

median holly
heady ridge
#

There are as many people playing this game as there are fans of the WNBA.

torpid acorn
#

So I can go to highroll naked, loot useless loot, kill guys with the same loot as me, white or gray, for the sake of consumables?
And why do I need legendary items? How are they different from white ones? Why should I loot?
I haven't played for a long time, I decided to come back for the sake of adventure with my friends, kill bosses, loot dungeons, fight or avoid fights, for the sake of preserving my loot. And when I launched the game, I saw that there was no point in items anymore, which means there was no point in adventures. The game turned into Chivalry 2, with magic. No one wants to play this game anymore, none of my comrades, and honestly, I myself don't see the point in such a game.

thorn glen
median salmon
#

2321 currently in dungeon, can we get to 1500 today? its gonna be close!

calm torrent
# snow sparrow they already do this vro

not rly? theres too much arguing and explaining from them, especially sdf is like that. Gray only started being silent recently which is good tbh. Either way thats the thing they should do

fast marsh
#

anyone experiencing connection issues? I am having issues loading in after I successfully queue, I have to restart (sometimes multiple times) to get the game to load. then when I extract, none of my loot comes with me. Time to uninstall or can it be fixed?

rough plinth
#

There are currently 2,321 players in the dungeon. Will we reach 1,500 today? We're short! Hopefully, I think if we reach 500 players, they'll use T7 and these devs will get smart.

low helm
# torpid acorn So I can go to highroll naked, loot useless loot, kill guys with the same loot a...

weird take because stuff is still being bought on the market, and better yet theres no items that cost 20k gold. prices are reaspnable which is a huge W. crafting gear stock is up so thats worth buying. finding crafting items in dungeon are worth it again. rings a neck and capes are the most important gear as it should be. the baseline game didnt change. things are just getting balanced and brought back to a real standard

winter kite
#

Wow they are just gonna let the game die. man that sucks. I really like this game

edgy pier
robust mica
#

guys how do i unlock more gear for my squire

quiet finch
#

its funny how some people think "now SDF will take control and do what he wants" the guy has been doing that the entire time and now suddenly you think that its gonna be good 😄

summer bloom
#

The game currently having people slam into each other at high speeds like a battle Royale.. not a crawler.

  1. mobs are now two shot able. So every one is clearing rooms 10x faster then when game first came out

  2. no desire to loot higher levels or trash mobs. Making people run through modules much faster...

  3. continuous dungeons... Now there are just always more and more and more funneling in. Some of these people spawn in already looted rooms. This incentives speed running through modules... Skipping..

  4. destruction of in game systems like crafting since stats are gutted. And gem sockets systems.. removing the desire for mining locations.

#5) doors can now be destroyed much easier.. choke points have basically been eroded .. entering some one else's module is now much easier then ever. Why even open doors when I can smash them...

Games basically imploding into let's just run around and kill each other because of so many things even more then I could list.

boreal island
thorn glen
midnight nebula
#

How do i get my money back?

sullen flower
heady ridge
median holly
alpine escarp
manic scaffold
winged herald
#

game is dogsh1t and they cant even roll out patches like a normal company they need to shut down the game for a day to fix it and by fix it i mean make it even worse somehow

low helm
#

Today 6/30/2025: its been close to 2 years now of seeing discord messages like "games dying" and im confused because almost 2 years later its still up and getting patched and fixed regularly. this community seems to be so fixed on DAD dying and its a weird obsession i cant quite understand.

rough plinth
#

I never thought I'd say this, but it seems the only Dark and Darker Killer wasn't Dungeon Born or Legacy... it was DND itself.

sonic maple
bitter citrus
steep pawn
#

"To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now" 2250 in the dungeon :jester:

zenith bramble
oak topaz
alpine escarp
median notch
#

bag = fumbled

low helm
#

Today 6/30/2025: Its been a little over a year now, everytime i express my fondness of the direction of the game or talk about how im hopeful for the future of the game, the community seems to attack me with insults like "delusional" "rage bait" shucks they even call me "SDF" which i think is some sort of insult to them. ill continue my research and keep u guys posted along my journey of holding the line since playtest 2

median holly
sonic maple
torpid acorn
quick token
#

can you still work towards season rewards

bitter citrus
calm torrent
glass viper
oak topaz
sullen anchor
hardy stump
mystic sky
cold venture
#

ITS NOT FULL 3 MIN + QUEUES

inner olive
mighty lion
wicked basin
#

crossbow meta is sooooooo fn lame.

fresh citrus
#

Sdf has to have a disability. After reading his chat I now have no hope for the game

neat urchin
low helm
oblique parrot
# wicked basin crossbow meta is sooooooo fn lame.

It’s made me quit, I actually enjoy the new damage modifiers. But the ranger 1-2 shots need to be toned down.

Barbarian doesn’t have as much movespeed anymore so honestly I don’t care if they can 1 tap. Halberd BoC can phantomize and chase so that is a little cheesy as well tho

median holly
alpine escarp
#

Well, I'm an arena player. Yesterday, I tried to play the arena but couldn't find any players to match with. The matchmaking took some time, and I kept getting paired with the same group of players.This has given me a direct sense of the decrease in the number of players.

stiff jackal
#

is it fixed yet

rough plinth
#

games since the beta when the game came out I saw how all the streamers played it I was surprised I said this game has a future I saw how iiTzTimmy played DND a player who only plays Apex surprised me but it seems I was excited thinking it had a future I saw how imitations of Dark. Dungeon Borne and others came out and not one dethroned DND and I thought at that time that DND had no rival it seems I got carried away by my illusions.
at its peak when it came out 150,000 players
2025-06-30 nu exceeds 3k players

bitter citrus
#

3 queues x 4 maps x 8 regions = 96 queues... 1000 players divided by 96 queues is 10 per queue so not even enough to fill one lobby. They are probably getting rid of adventure mode so you will have enough to fill the one lobby out at least. although once they get rid of adventure I bet most of those players will skidaddle along with the rest

rustic mist
#

welp the game is unplayable. the nerfs the lag the terrible devs. its all cooked.

raw torrent
#

woooooooot 🥳 excited for the future of the game building on this new baseline! W SDF

cunning girder
#

no builds

hardy stump
upper wolf
#

get the squire gear on and ur good to go op build !

mighty prism
#

BoC plate warlock with half red best class to play. Or ranger

inner olive
outer dagger
#

Rogues die from sneezing too hard. High pollen count, be warned.

oak topaz
stiff jackal
#

why cant sdf reverse the new update he released? more players = more money for him and the devs, so why cant he? i mean in my opinion, hotfix 69-2 was the best one, so i wouldnt mind if we could go that far back. i really dont understand why he is gonna let one of the greatest games made die in weeks?

eternal jacinth
#

Game will never be good with sdf in charge

boreal island
bitter citrus
median salmon
#

we just went below 2.3k in the dungeon... SumDumFuk's vision of a 1.5k playerbase game is within REACH!

rustic mist
#

yeah because the game is a laggy dead squire kit 1 shot meta mess

wet barn
#

Or bow spamming

hardy stump
tough tree
#

Ppl defending the New patch ITS so Sad they dont see for the Future of game

median holly
# oak topaz I dont know if u guys acting dumb or u talking seriously. This game was so big t...

I don't know why the extreme focus on numbers and attention like streamers, this argument is just that your view of games being good or bad is whole dependent on others, be it streamers/players or literally raw numbers.
But this represent very well the current game industry they make games for people like you, that's why the games die 1 week after the first big streamer leaves, hype alone won't keep games alive, hope they notice that soon

rough plinth
#

we just went below 2.3k in the dungeon... SumDumFuk's vision of a 1.5k playerbase game is within REACH!

oak topaz
sullen anchor
severe ingot
#

point is if the game is good people that played it out of hype will stay and still play. game has been declining

lofty wolf
wary brook
turbid pendant
#

Please consider making a 5v5 arena map with towers and npc patrols along paths

river mortar
small inlet
#

I don’t want the game to die but yesterday we were at 1k players so I’m just going to have to take a break from the game

crisp wren
warped echo
ripe spoke
#

SEMI WIPED THE PLAYER BASE?

earnest drift
# lofty wolf Dead for sure, stop huffing copium

I think it's only really dead when people stop caring about it, but people are still rambling in this channel and reddit. IF the next wipe is good players will come back. But at this points they only got 1 shot left to regain trust

tall girder
bitter citrus
tough tree
#

If you make 10 ppl in the game this make the game live?

rough plinth
#

I think if we reach 100 players, they'll add T7.
Please do me a favor.

lofty wolf
wary brook
median holly
# wary brook Because player numbers are a measurable metric

Yeah but as with any data it's useless in a vacuum, this is the hardest part of using data, it's how to use them.
Always be wary of people who just spew data or numbers at you, any smooth talker can make a data appear to support whatever he wants.

plain fox
void kestrel
bitter citrus
mystic sky
gray rivet
quiet finch
#

Honestly, i'll come back if the next few patches are good. But my trust in SDF and IM died a good while ago. Watching this forever back and forth patching between "balance". And the added content? Very little and nothing to give more diversity. Just a new map and a few broken ass classes that even further contributed to the never ending back and forth balancing.

But yeah, people still care.

tough tree
#

Dungeon crawler looks like this? Anyone can Tell me If current state ITS Dungeon crawling?

lofty wolf
austere flame
#

are artifacts still in the game or no?

earnest drift
wary brook
# plain fox Of course. What if this game is truly gone and dead, we will one hundred percent...

Ill miss it. There will be others, ones that hopefully respect its communities time and opinions more.

One that doesnt have to make a 5 minute freaking cooldown timer on chat posts because they know if they let the community speak their mind their discord would be more of a wildfire of discontent then it already is

@earnest drift I propose what I always propose in these situations. Vote with your feet and stop playing a game that doesnt care what you want. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Im not gonna sit on here for hours complaining. Im just gonna play better games. But yes I will bash awful development decisions. At this point its the equivalent to roasting marshmellows.

junior copper
#

a bunch of complainers quit killing games and git gud

nimble hearth
slim furnace
#

stop playing this game and enjoy ur summer guys dont give them more attention they don't deserve it

bitter citrus
#

Crazy looking at the charts rn like huh

void kestrel
#

"We can't make a roadmap and have no idea where the game is going because it's impossible to anticipate the future, guys"

austere flame
#

does anyone know if artifacts are still in the game?

dire topaz
raw thorn
#

WAIT IS THE HR SEASON OVER? I CANT EARN THE REWARDS?

subtle heart
#

🥀 🇪 🇳 🇩 🪦 🇴 🇫 🥀 🇦 🇳 🪦🇪 🇷 🇦 🥀

last spoke
glacial gale
#

RIP it was a wild ride, and then a violent crash

wary brook
# void kestrel "We can't make a roadmap and have no idea where the game is going because it's i...

"Everyone hated the content I pushed, but my communication isnt very good and I didnt explain it well enough which definitely is what caused people to hate it. Sorry for that.

I also want your feedback but never mind multiple reports of me completely ignoring any and all feedback or the parts earlier in my post where I admit to balancing the game to my tastes. Also the parts about not caring to cater to the wide audience the game has gotten (to my surprise)"

coral basin
#

its crazy "Backpack Battles" some indie team ( husbands and wife) thats auto battle game has double the DaD ccount on steam, its just shocking how bad the player count died in 5 days. way to go

void kestrel
fast marsh
#

man. I WISH I could connect to the game and complain about the changes like everyone else in here. sadly my connection errors persist. When I finally reconnect to a session, it doesn't bring out my loot. It seems my time in the dungeons may be at an end. I've reinstalled and still having trouble. Sad someone who actually wants to play this game can't.

arctic laurel
#

3k online - lets keep that ego up and not revert 🔥 🔥 🔥

timid lichen
#

3k online - lets keep that ego up and not revert 🔥 🔥 🔥

south hollow
#

guys its ok, there just making the game bad so they can release D&D 2! Cant wait for it to have a loot box system and have to pay money for new classes and better drops, its gonna be just like Genshin Impact isn't that great lmao

pastel garden
median holly
# lofty wolf Same to be said with many things in a vacuum what's your point? the player base ...

Let’s go over some basic logic and data usage. First, you have the numbers: 16,000 players down to 3,000 players. From that, you can arrive at a logical conclusion the game has fewer players now.

From that point, if you want to claim something like “the game is bad now,” that becomes more subjective, because "bad" or "good" is a matter of personal taste. But I can help clarify the statement to something more objective, like “the community doesn’t like the changes.” That’s much easier to support with evidence, such as negative comments on Discord or the downvote campaign on Steam.
I tried my best, hope it's easy to understand

idle whale
outer jay
#

Why is Druid a thing?

arctic laurel
void kestrel
raw thorn
#

took a break, usually they dont end the season until like a week before wipe? i was waiting for the "mid season wipe" didnt think it was the end season wipe?

radiant basin
quaint raptor
#

3.7k max playerpop today. yes guys. the game is thriving. W sdf

calm beacon
rigid vault
quiet lance
#

Aloo

south hollow
#

i miss the beta was just so simple and fun wtf happend

slate sequoia
#

Maybe they are trying to kill the game on purpose

plucky peak
#

🥣 ✂️ SDF

small linden
#

did they remove solo qÉ

outer jay
kindred bison
#

Sdf tried cooking at it came out raw 😭😭

small inlet
#

We can thank all the people crying about gear for this update

carmine patio
#

SDF is a buffoon

willow terrace
inner olive
tiny meteor
bitter citrus
#

Went to the grocery store today, no bread on the shelves. Went and asked the manager what is up with the bread and he was like, "I'm on a no carb diet. We got rid of all the bread."

burnt arch
median holly
last spoke
#

anyone got a close up PFP of the rat transformation? Pls dm it to me

stable urchin
#

Imagine if they devs actually responded to the outcry

waxen totem
#

2k players at prime time and arena queues so long you can’t arena.

THE VISION

radiant basin
#

Alright how would we feel about stamina added to the game and move speed additions are taken out/nerfed on items end game. Stamina would be for running so certain classes(rogue/ranger) would have higher stamina levels than say a heavily armored fighter or cleric. I feel like this would be better than an overall higher movement speed for certain classes/gear strats, but I could be overlooking more downsides in my idea than the move speed

cobalt bone
#

SANS DOMICILE FIX

obsidian bolt
#

🇨 🇱 🇺 🇪 🇱 🇪 🇸 🇸 anguish 🇩 🇪 🇻 🇪 🇱 🇴 🇵 🇲 🇪 🇳 🇹 IRONMACEseal

small inlet
# inner olive "no crutches for shitters" -sdf seethe

Except the good players that already ran gear still shit on people now in squire it’s just far less enjoyable and no purpose. So it turns out gear was never a crutch 🤣 time in the game should = more power in the game it’s the basic principle for most games

naive wolf
#

"To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now"

pastel garden
wooden gulch
#

"We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy." makes absolutly no sens, why would you get more gold if you have nothing to do with it ?

bitter citrus
quaint timber
#

Farewell DND

last spoke
#

someone pls send me a pfp of the rat from the druid transformation

median holly
small inlet
#

Last wipe felt so good to me the way they did unique gear and then all the Timmy’s cried endlessly and now we’re here

indigo mountain
#

gg I started playing last wipe thought the whole idea of the game was so unique then they done this update and cooked the game? idk if will see this but that vison isn't visioning

hard jacinth
small inlet
# hard jacinth skill issue

Almost a good rage bait, I think I found one of the 900 people still playing. Building high end kits was a big part of skill expression 🤯

steel juniper
#

what is best way to make money in this new wipe

languid pine
#

selling ur gold chest from drops lmfao

mystic marsh
#

SDF kitchen messages today officially killed the game. Ggs

heavy cypress
hard jacinth
#

"lol look at this loser, playing the game of the discord we're talking in" lmao what an own

imagine having so little regard for your own time

small inlet
dull olive
#

guys i can't take the loot from the leader board why ?

median salmon
#

sub 2200 now in dungeon! SumDumFuks vision of 1500 player base is getting closer!

steel juniper
soft otter
#

where tf is sdfkitchen bruh

median holly
visual mango
#

Please man fix the fucking game @glad thunder

vital wharf
#

@cursive portal quit tryna be everyone knight in shining armor, I don't care about whatchu gotta say. We played once and you suck, there's a reason why I left.

uneven hare
#

WYPE HYPE

covert void
#

it's honestly sad to see how this game has turned out..

slate peak
#

What is this game right now half the people I queue up with Have crap connection and time out all the weapons are broken Everybody gets one shot now no good loot What are they doing to this game!!

mental halo
#

Like what else
Is there to even play ….

willow terrace
arctic laurel
night lintel
#

only reason im not playing is so they dont think this is good for it id like to play but i know if we keep playing it even while its getting worse it will make em think we approve of them ignoring player base and players oppinion and i dont like that they demand so much respect from us while not respecting our oppinion ether give us the players some respect or dont expect respect from us

wraith nova
#

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow wake uppp

peak stream
#

@zinc sparrow i love u

cursive portal
vagrant timber
#

sdf fell off

lofty cave
#

i hope sdf goes god damn bankrupt at this point bc its beyond completely deserved. lmfaooooooo, take away solos, ruin all gear value and progression , ruin the economy, ruin the integrity of core mechanics, keeping the game unbalanced in favor of the druid. not to mention when the game was in a "good state" it still had that restarded weapon for barb people could stack for invulnerability and people were real world trading for 1000's of dollars for the weapon and accounts with the weapon lmfao, and then sdf literally pulled a fast one and got people to pay a bunch of money for a false product just to basically replace that product with one that dosent serve the function people payed for lolololol .

o7

hardy stump
vital wharf
zenith bramble
hasty parrot
#

this trash sucks , ive played this when it was a tor download and i cant believe how backwards the progression went, it actually baffling, hope the devs get aids

tidal sable
#

PLEASE revert the game back to boosted loot and ADD CONTENT! That is what the community wants!!!!

shy ingot
#

enable QUADS and BRING PPL BACK TO THE GAME!

neon tiger
#

wtf happend to this game

dark sluice
cursive portal
# vital wharf I didn't lie about anything LMFAO

You said you have played with me, and you left the game, because I suck. Post the game. You are lying, and I have just made my point in the LFG, and I will make my point again here. There is a reason you wanted to take it to DMs, because you were exposed. Then you wanted to block me because I backed you into a corner where you can't lie. Then you take it back to LFG because you are despereate for attention. Then when you get told to keep LFG to LFG only, you start back in DMs, you ping me in tavern, and you ping me in general. Post the clip. One look into your search history will show you are a habitual liar. You are lying about everything. I will post the entire DMs here, and I will go through your post history, compile a list of your lies and people speaking out against you, and I will post it here. Hundreds of people have you blocked for a reason. You are seriously un well.

vital wharf
# cursive portal You said you have played with me, and you left the game, because I suck. Post th...

you didn't expose me for anything, everything that you had is not new news. You are relying on what others have said. We have only played one time and I left because you suck. I messaged you in DMs saying that I don't care what anyone has to say because I know it's not true lol. You and plently more other commonly known LFGs suck at this game and I'm not saying this to say that I'm good either. I am still learning and understand the game. I didn't lie about anything. The post I most was true, we we're both going geared hr pvp and in doing so we made good come ups and was able to have back up kits without spending a single coin. You have wasted an hour of your time preaching old news to people who already know these things. Palpatine, you are the most immature player I have yet to come across on this game. I hope you have a great rest of your day and good times in the dungeons today.

fallen shuttle
#

Love how the game randomly rubberbands me all time even tho i have a gigabyte down

tidal sable
#

📢 WE DO NOT NEED BALANCING WE NEED CONTENT 📢

cunning jolt
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This game will never recover from this patch. its over guys and im so sad

near jasper
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@glad thunder we all paid for the game the way it was. Not this embarrassing deathmatch it has become.

cursive portal
# vital wharf you didn't expose me for anything, everything that you had is not new news. You ...

You have never played with me. Post the game. You never left my game because I suck. Post the game. You lie about your posts everyday, and dozens of people just agreed with me in LFG. Go read the LFG page. No one makes coin when they go in with you, only you. Lets show everyone here your post. "purps+ barb and ranger lf1 bis trio for HR pvp" You don't play this way. You are a rat looter. Everyone says so. You claim to be BiS PvP, BUT YOU WONT PVP. Yu sit in the back, and when someone dies, you run red. You don't share loot. People who go down and spectate you see you holding BiS that is not your class, and you won't share it even when they confront you. You lie about your playstyle, and then you publicly shame, lie, and slander players. You tell them they aren't good, but it's always YOU BRO! You lie about everything. Nothing you say is true. You are a habitual liar.

sturdy agate
#

Man you two stop spamming this channel lol who cares

vital wharf
misty stone
#

I see they wanna add like a passive tree to classes, thats ok. But bro, add solo and duo again

cunning jolt
#

@cursive portal @vital wharf you both suck and are bickering like babies. go play a different game and leave this garbage to die

vast ravine
#

Real

smoky basin
#

curious how old either of you are lowkey
i wanna see you both be 30 yr old men arguing and trying to protect your image

wooden gulch
#

bringing back solo and duo wont chagne the fact the core game got destroyed imo. Not saying that because I like the fact they removed q tho, I don't. Having only trio in LR and the 3 q in HR just like before this massiv nuclear b was fine imo

cursive portal
# vital wharf I brought it into DMs because I'm not going to get banned/muted because you want...

You are the only one seeking attention. You have blocked me in DMs, then unblocked me, and you have pinged me in tavern and in game discussion, after you were told to stop in LFG. EVERYONE search this dudes history. He is a habitual liar. You are the only one seeking attention. I have said my truth. I am not looking for any attention. I am looking to save people from you in the LFG. For years now you have been causing issues. You need to stop lying, you need to show people respect, and stop wasting their time.

median holly
fast marsh
#

everyone else's loot disappearing on extract? f

cunning jolt
small inlet
#

They need to bring back rolls on gear and for all the timmys that cry about gear diff they make this cool game mode called normals where there isn’t any gear

fading garnet
#

wtf are you two arguing here for
Relax a little

haughty swift
#

Daddy chill

cursive portal
marble slate
#

I have a silly question -- I noticed that the Squire seems to be providing white gear instead of just gray gear. I also notice his selection is bigger. What is making this happen? In other words, how can I upgrade further the gear the squire offers?

slender orchid
vital wharf
# cursive portal Please don't troll me. What am I trying to protect? What image am I trying to up...

Proof as in other small minded players like your self complaining in the LFG because of my playstyle? You are trying to protect your image as someone who wants attention and good reptatuion in discord. If it wasn't that. You would have completely ignored me and went about your day but instead you decide to start preaching old news that everyone knows about already. You are an attention seeker and drama starter.

I brought this entire conversation into DMs for a reason, solely because I know what happens when you break rules in the LFG. Sadly there's nothing I can do as our direct messages because everything you have said about me "cursing at you" "lying at you" is not true. I simply told you I don't care and have a good day but you wanted to drag the entire thing for another hour over something that literally has no means. It's a game that is currently dying and the fact you can continue to sit here and constantly repeat the same things to people who don't care. Currently I am speaking with a warden who will be looking into this with more details

subtle oxide
#

We paid for a game that no longer exists, and now they want to make it disappear, because that's it — they already sold what they had to sell. They're no longer interested in the game and would rather slowly kill it off. I mean, come on... only someone extremely stupid would do something like this, and I don’t think that’s the case — this is being done on purpose. There’s nothing left to sell here, so they’re leaving. Let’s be real: these people aren’t good at making games, only at playing them.

misty stone
wide oxide
#

This vision killin our game boys...

acoustic forum
#

PU*T ME IN THERE. I FIX WHOLE GAME. 4 FREE

brittle marsh
#

there is no war in ba sing se

cursive portal
# vital wharf Proof as in other small minded players like your self complaining in the LFG bec...

Now I am going to show proof. Here is DMs from @vital wharf https://discord.com/channels/@me/1389340088152101006/1389348986837795020 He is a habitual liar. He just says whatever he wants, and expects you to believe it. I do not care about image. I do not care about being muted in a channel for speaking out against @vital wharf. The reason that @vital wharf Lies so much is because he is trying to protect his image. He always projects his insecurities on others. This is why he calls himself a BiS PvPer, but is a rat looter. This is why he says he leaves people games, but they are the ones leaving his games. This is why he says he makes gold, because no one else makes gold when they are in his party because he will not share your class loot and take it. You are speaking with a warden? You must care about your image, that's why you lie so much about it. This is why over a hundred people on the server got him blocked.

marble slate
haughty swift
#

Daddy chilll

vagrant timber
#

SDF is gonna bankrupt ironmace with his insanity lmao

small inlet
#

I’m giving the devs until it wipes to fix gear or I’m uninstalling. Let me grind my ass off for some new unique weapons that do nothing but have a skin on them yeah no thanks

fair yacht
fleet pelican
#

So now reward tokens are just op and the easiest way to get good non-hr loot, right?

sudden meadow
#

Ain’t no way they bringing multi-classing back

acoustic forum
#

PUT ME IN THERE SDF
I WILL FIX EVERYTHING
FOR FWEE

vital wharf
sullen flower
#

POWER!!!!

UNLIMMMMITED POWAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!

cursive portal
# vital wharf Proof as in other small minded players like your self complaining in the LFG bec...

"It's a game that is currently dying and the fact you can continue to sit here and constantly repeat the same things to people who don't care" I am not constantly repeating the same things. I told LFG to be careful playing with you, becuase you are not a BiS PvPer, and you will have a bad experience. Over 10 people chimed in instantly with the same reaction. You started defending yourself, started lying (like usual), DMd me, blocked me, DM'd me again, pinded me in general, and pinged me in tavern. In my mind, the battle is won. You have been desperately yappin trying to defend your nname, but you just keep lying on lying. You are doing this in front of the entire discord, and every single thing you say is linked in your chat history, and can be searched by everyone. I feel great bro.

lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

rustic oar
#

Would rather have a cracked out tweaker off the streets balancing this game than Sdf

cunning jolt
#

@cursive portal @vital wharf for the love of god please have your petty argument in a different chat

sudden meadow
#

We held the line, and SDF snorted it…this anguish anguish anguish

fervent anvil
elder bolt
#

"All of us will continue doing our absolute best to help the game grow and evolve. We are truly grateful to everyone who continues to support us through all the challenges." i love that they are acting like some random challenge or upset is happening. Like bruv you created this YOU can change it LMAO, and if your watching the game dwindle in playbase size your are NOT doing your "absolute best" to help the game, your doing your absolute best to make sure you make the game YOU Want

old goblet
#

What would it take to bring back Dark and darker guys, I feel like obvs Rolls on items, but no need for superhero builds. But what Else ? Storm? Random ports ?More new maps consistently, new layers? removing druid(does not fit in the Dark and darker aesthetic) and nerf barb so stupid u have characters that can one shot. Type shi ?

opal schooner
#

yo how do i view sdfs kitchen?

subtle heart
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

cursive portal
# vital wharf I don't have any "image" to uphold. I am simply just trying to enjoy the game

Then why do you keep saying you are a BiS PvPer, and why do you keep blaming your teammates on not being a good PvPer, when you are a rat looter who sits in the back, and runs red as soon as someone dies? Why can't you just say "Rat HR. Loot N scoot only. No PvP." Why do you keep claiming you are innocent in blame, but you keep lying and mistreating your teammates? You keep defending your position, even when people speak out against you every single day.

sullen flower
lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

bronze anchor
#

Yea this game is cooked

lofty sun
#

Im not reinstalling until solo/duo lobbies are re-added and/or random modifiers return

cursive portal
upbeat crest
#

Tf is ice abyss now

rustic oar
#

A extraction game with no loot is genius. He finally got rid of Real Money Tradlng pikahappy

old goblet
lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

opal schooner
#

I miss playtest 2

elder bolt
#

anyone wanna hop on legacy with me?

dull cipher
#

how do i build warlock with BoC and plate armor? which weapons and which stat?

lofty sun
full nacelle
#

yo just checking in, they announce the rollback yet?

sullen flower
lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

austere sand
frail ermine
#

FrauDF basically said he doesnt care about destroying a game people enjoyed as long as he changes it into a game he enjoys, great mindset

solemn maple
#

relax guys the rolls on gear are just gone so next patch when they come back look like new content

grim wasp
#

The new sdf post makes me sad. They're really sticking with this patch. Honestly so upsetting.

native bone
#

so many open doors with empty rooms in this game, and we still see only balance changes

full nacelle
#

just read his post.

the problem with this games leadership is the language they use. its "my vision" "i think" "my game" its not "we, us, our community" leadership is selfish and this game will die because there is a disconnect in empathy between the developers and the customers

fallen vale
#

scam and scammer

shell grove
#

Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.

lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

low flame
#

He did say he wants to explore what to do with the gems with modifiers in mind, which i do kind of support. He also said he wants us to be abled to make different builds by synergizing modifiers. Would not hate it if random modifiers were gone, but we could create our own with gems. For example better rolls based on the rarity of weapon, legendary giving better rolls etc. Then it would still be fun looting for legendary’s and uniques because it actually matters in term of rolls with the gems.

narrow pike
#

Lunatic dev

grim wasp
#

SDF is literally going to change a game we all fell in love with to a game that personally pleases himself. That is not ok. I feel betrayed. I feel like once this comes out of early access I will almost definitely refund the game. It's not what I paid for. I am not trying to be negative. I've been a huge supporter of this game. I'm just fed up with it, and with SDF's post today, I think I'm done having hope.

wicked stirrup
#

Sdf is making a game for himself. He took a literal shit in a gold mine. This game was trully amazing. First time I see a game just die because of bad management and decisions. What a shame

granite copper
subtle heart
old goblet
solemn maple
#

seriously adding a quiver is not possible in sdfs little brain because of arrow amount? how about making a limit of arrows in the quiver. nice pvp balance . a class is to good to take out the same loot amount than others hahahahahahahaah

lofty sun
#

I would even be against something where the gear has a number of modifiers slots (same number as before) and then you HAVE to get gems to put modifiers on it (maybe lower the max that gems can put on it so that then there isn't as much of a gap for gear)

So like for a green bardiche you start with no modifiers then have to get a green gem to put a modifier onto it

marble jackal
#

Guys all your ideas are shit they aren’t sdfs vision of intentionally ruining his own game just be quiet

dire hare
#

getting rid of random modifiers makes it so more skill is needed? lol

lyric grove
#

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

low flame
mint patio
#

@marble jackal they won't listen

spiral totem
#

if our forced teammates just kill us how can we report it? Im getting TeamKilled all the time and its super annoying, im about to start doing it too

shell grove
sturdy badger
#

"To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now" - SDF

there are 40 people playing the game but im glad youre satisfied. reading what he "cooked" in his little spill session was disheartening. there is no more dark and darker. there is only a game made for sdf.

those who were on the fence about uninstalling can just go ahead and click the button. This trash is done.

EDIT: anyone have the actual player count? i uninstalled a week ago so I cant check

void kestrel
solemn maple
#

next season we have machinegun class. can kill all classes 1 shot but has not itemslots to take out loot as balancing BIG W

grim wasp
# shell grove "I came to believe that this structure hurt player accessibility and would ultim...

That's just plain wrong. Tarkov started as an extreme niche. Had dark and darker got more content, more common sense design choices, it could have worked. A game like Dark and Darker launching its original playtest shows that a lot of people liked DaD, and it was INSANELY new player unfriendly. Much better to stay at 30k players and iterate on what people liked already vs. Throwing it all out for one man's satisfaction.

runic jacinth
rustic socket
#

This game is so bad now man. Guaranteed more people in this channel complaining about the game than actual players. Youre down to 2k people in your game even at peak times. And they aren't going to revert. Congrats to SDF for killing your game in one patch. See you never Copper Mallet

dire hare
#

i dont understand why you guys liked ranomd modifiers so much lol the game takes actual skill now and you guys are mad? he took the luck factor out and now everyones mad? git gud forreal lol

round jackal
low flame
# void kestrel imagine playing diablo with nothing but crap loot. Anyone can see it would be t...

I do get what you’re saying. I would prefer it if random modifiers stayed in the game. But i also think it could be really fun to build your own sick gear out of the dungeon by using gems for random rolls based on item rarity. Legendary items for example giving between +5-+7 on gear based on what gem you are using. Would give more depth by exploring different builds, possibly reviving the YT scene to some extent. Would also make it more fun to just loot gems and not only PvP.

devout surge
#

spectacular vision sdf when the pve does 50% of your hp with one shot

sturdy badger
rain dagger
river mortar
wanton otter
midnight dirge
#

SDF- I CANT PLAY the game , I wish I could, but being a solo player I'm just not able to play anymore. 1v3 will never work. If you made this a SOLO game you would save this game. You would have the those big player counts back. Most people just don't want to be forced to play with strangers or sometimes even friends. Re think your vision my friend.

runic jacinth
plain fox
#

Just read the part about rangers quiver that won't happen for a while for a weird reason. I'm confused..

ps. editing it here because of 5 min timer, its at #sdfs-kitchen.

spiral totem
golden pawn
#

the game is getting dark and darker

lyric whale
#

sad to watch this game die. was fun while it lasted.

bitter citrus
#

no quivers because they thought about making fire arrows at some point over the past 2 years... or some point after they saw legacy and chroma have fire arrows at least

humble oracle
main lintel
#

Did anyone see sdf playing this current patch.... the dude was horrible and died to normal.mobs... every game

void kestrel
# dire hare i dont understand why you guys liked ranomd modifiers so much lol the game takes...

Sounds like you want to play chivalry or mordhau. Dark and Darker is a loot-focused, dungeon crawler. sdf essentially removed half of the features and allure of the game because of personal reasons. Without focusing on loot, wtf am I going deep into the dungeon for? Oh wow, I found a legendary item with +3 movespeed. I move 1% faster and/or I do 0.5% more damage. Who cares. If that's you're playstyle, he could have saved a bunch of grief and just made a squire-level arena mode, ffs

wet inlet
#

Does anyone know what’s the point of playing this game now?

rustic socket
spring cave
gray rivet
old goblet
#

Dark and darker needed a bit more rewarding for grinding HR. For example, exclusive maps with exclusive loot for only voyagers and up type shi.

Invest in your fucking game. Make Big tournaments with a pricepool or sum unique loot you only Can earn by winning these tournaments or sum shit idk. To make a competitive scene in the game. It obvs works for other games.

Its an online game after all

smoky jetty
#

sdf is going sicko mode

sturdy badger
jolly sequoia
inner olive
dire hare
#

@inner olive thank you

ruby fossil
smoky breach
spring cave
vocal bramble
#

one of my older vids is a pickpocket guide i recommend watching that and let me know if you have any questions

runic jacinth
plain fox
# spiral totem where is it? what does it say?

Not sure if you found it, but its at #sdfs-kitchen . Reason is because rangers are strong as it is, so giving it a quiver will make it stronger. Having more inventory management is being seen as a nerf to counter its strong class.

Its just wild, especially coming from the developer itself.

Just make ranger less powerful and give the quiver, but punishing ranger mains for a bad QOL is just plain bad...

void kestrel
main lintel
wide reef
#

Smash bros melee was an accidental masterpiece, why not dark and darker, why make it in a new vision

inland patio
#

@zinc sparrow
Dear IRONMACE Team,

After reading the recent message from SDF, I appreciate the transparency and insight into the design direction. However, I was extremely disappointed to see no mention at all of the ongoing lag issue that occurs whenever a new player enters a match.

This problem has been present for months and consistently causes a lag spike of 1 to 3 milliseconds that negatively impacts gameplay for everyone. It is not a minor inconvenience—it breaks immersion, disrupts combat, and causes real frustration for the player base.

Meanwhile, the post spent paragraphs justifying intentional design choices such as the Ranger's inventory limitations, while ignoring a core technical issue that affects every player regardless of class or build.

We’re not asking for philosophical insight—we’re asking for action. This is a technical issue that demands investigation and resolution, not silence.

Please take this seriously and prioritize a fix. Continued neglect of this issue sends the message that technical stability is not a priority, and that’s deeply disheartening for loyal players who want to see the game thrive.

Sincerely,

fringe lynx
south vigil
hearty herald
#

I Wanna know a slur that hits korens now because of sdf

civic marsh
#

SDf doesn’t have the library and database of gameplay mechanics and experience. He can’t develop because he isn’t an experienced gamer. He has no library of systems or mechanics to pull inspiration from. It is why his development lacks creativity and depth. It’s not inspired. +1 here, -3 there, empty statements an about wealth and player power.

He can’t articulate himself because he isn’t a gamer. His experience is shallow so his statements and development are shallow.

Saying things like “developing a game for people who like games like I do” is maybe the biggest red flag I’ve seen from this guy in the last 2 years.

This recent announcement sounds like a high school stoner trying to discuss politics.

SDF is not a good developer and it has become very very apparent why Nexon lost confidence and dropped the project. He was likely spinning tires there for months at a time and they had the sense to cut the fat.

It’s been 2 years and aside from a few new classes, there has been no new content. Lots of promised content, lots of removed content. But mostly fiddling with what SDF refers to as “balancing”

jolly sequoia
#

"When we design a game, we fundamentally do not chase after currently successful formulas or create games specifically for target audiences we don't fully understand—just because that audience is large. The simple and honest reason is that we’re not particularly good at developing games in that way." HUH?!

finite current
#

I LOVE THEY GAME ANY ONE WANT TO BUY ZIRKI EYE

void kestrel
prisma flax
#

Thank God I didn't buy the legendary part of dark and darker lmao

barren cove
#

Sdf really put the nail in the coffin with these posts. He actually showed to everyone he has 0 understanding about the game. Does not have any sense of priorities and is completely delusional. So sad sdf killed the game and is now taking the bag and saying idgaf about the game.

solemn maple
#

we cant just add a quiver. do u even know what this means. it will change the whole meta the whole balancing everything. but do you know what we can do. take out all stats from items. this wont will have a less impact to the whole game loop

median holly
jolly sequoia
primal fiber
inland patio
#

@zinc sparrow & IRONMACE

We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game.

void kestrel
#

1.5k in lobby, 2,011 in dungeon ♿

full ivy
#

i

terse tundra
#

Rip dnd. Could’ve been the best game of the decade

nimble ledge
solemn maple
#

there is 1 thing this company is really good at. so many possible ingame purchases even seasonal . all this buy mechancis in a alpha version is just amazing. u can buy the game for 30 u can buy a stash for season where u dont even know if ur items in the stash get erased based on moods hahahaha . brilliant .

sturdy badger
next saffron
#

damn that's sad

slim robin
#

DU7DE EZ FIX WIPE IT TMMR AND REVERT PATCH THOUGHTS

median holly
inland patio
vital nebula
# inland patio <@137654101692383233> & IRONMACE We, as long-time players and supporters of Dar...

@Graysun & IRONMACE

We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game. ²

orchid bane
civic marsh
void kestrel
#

Imagine being an employee at Ironmace right now. Watching this golden goose get burned down. JFC you people working in the office need to have an intervention for your boy before it's too late.

cursive portal
quiet finch
#

"We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy."

This is the type of bs this guy keeps saying. So, in a game where gear has always been directly linked to your power and wealth. Now we shift towards not having power but wealth? So what is the wealth coming from if not gear? And who gives a f. about gear if it doesn't give power?

Like this statement alone sounds like SDF never even played Dark and Darker.

solemn maple
sturdy badger
leaden kettle
# vital nebula @Graysun & IRONMACE We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker,...

@zinc sparrow @glad thunder

We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game. ²

next saffron
#

every1 should mass uninstall, if you like this game, you'll stop playing it, clearly they dont want to make any proper changes, just shit patches that they go back and forth on. They've made it so that there is completely no motivation to play the game at this point, all of my friends stopped playing months ago cause of it. @boreal flame get off ur knees already

hexed folio
#

Everyone uninstall

tired ferry
#

guys its actually more fun being a rat now cuz the servers are empty lol

sullen flower
spring cave
mystic sky
uneven osprey
#

Dark and darker and it does indeed keep getting darker

boreal flame
#

Fuck dev hate, DnD new update has been fire

void kestrel
rough plinth
#

games since the beta when the game came out I saw how all the streamers played it I was surprised I said this game has a future I saw how iiTzTimmy played DND a player who only plays Apex surprised me but it seems I was excited thinking it had a future I saw how imitations of Dark. Dungeon Borne and others came out and not one dethroned DND and I thought at that time that DND had no rival it seems I got carried away by my illusions.
at its peak when it came out 150,000 players
2025-06-30 nu exceeds 3k players

spiral totem
sage vector
#

game is no fun

tame elbow
#

game is no fun

solemn maple
#

i thought that the game atleast will sink in the underwatermap. but i guess i have to see the ship sink in the gobo caves

wicked stump
#

loot is pointless on an extraction looter

native bone
#

fun no is game

next saffron
#

uninstall

mystic sky
shell grove
# mystic sky 💯

Looking forward to build diversity being more about class skill trees and multi classing, and not gear disparity

upper wolf
mystic sky
#

Agreed. The big issue of this game has always been that the devs were pushing gear to be the meta, and most class skills were nerfed to 💩 So this may be the first step in the right direction. They wasted so much damn time balancing it's unreal; other games have died sooner with the amount of wasted dev time.

More PvE will actually get more new players into the game too, and keep the game somewhat interesting for hardcores.

spring escarp
#

ranger is strong enough as is we will not be adding quiver system

native bone
#

iron hammer are you seriously?...
...who is does a promise for 3 floor? your sayjng somebody is go the make dungens and is choosed to release map unfinished for game ?
many ramember. Hundreds want. Infinate gain...And then is a put they in 2 floor only.? This is doesnt sense.......
remove void die by push from you game . How many time im keel to void by a egg mumm.y wyvern.... becaus she is infinate coming from the far, are to quickly.. ..... stop this nosense

pliant nimbus
finite current
#

GUYS IF I KILL CHAMPION I CAN GET GOLDEN KEY?

tame elbow
#

THERE IS NO NAMED NOOOO NAMEDDSSS, WTF WHY FARM BOSSES??' WHY KEEP PLAYING FOR NO NAMEDS OR LOOT?

sturdy badger
loud silo
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@finite current no, you need to salsa dance with him, then he will invite you to meet his parents. after that, you have to impress his dad (with more salsa dancing obviously) and THEEEEEEN, you get the key

fleet surge
civic marsh
# mystic sky "Developing a game for yourself" is actually the first good approach IM has take...

If SDF was an actual gamer I’d maybe agree. I am a bit surprised that IM didn’t have a strong hiring gameplan to ensure the longevity and growth of their company. 2 years later, buckets of financial resources, and so far we have seen gimmicky executions of content come and go. Anyone remember religions? How about the skill trees we had teasers of way back in alpha, or maybe it was the comical take of class hybrids. 90 patches later and we have had adjustments implemented, taken back, reimplemented, now talks of multi-class again? It’s clear there is no real vision for this game. It was indeed lightning in a bottle. We all have some great memories and experiences with Dark & Darker. But it will never meet the potential it had when it is in the hands of weak, inexperienced leadership with crazy-ex-girlfriend level flip flopping.

That’s just my opinion. But I think many would agree that the best of Dark & Darker has past, and that its future looks as bright as its grimdark setting.

inner olive
#

“Dark and Darker is…” Quiet everyone, @void kestrel is talking LOL.

quiet finch
# mystic sky Agreed. The big issue of this game has always been that the devs were pushing ge...

I dunno what you are smoking, but PvE has never been and will never be a thing that interests hardcores.
Gear being dominant part of builds isn't directly linked to actual skill buffs and nerfs.
And this patch being a step in the right direction? Game has already lost near 80% of its playerbase in a single hit and backlashes are even worse due to SDF's badly worded clueless communication.

final robin
#

i would like to ask all paid sponsors of SDF to cease ragebaiting your payment is being processed and further ragebaiting is not covered by our expenses thank you

median salmon
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oh yeah! 2k players in dungeon! SumDumFuk's vision of a player base of 1500 active is about to come true!

potent tide
dim epoch
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why did they remove solos man like how did sdf think that was a good idea thats stupid then why did they add it in the first place

candid ermine
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I remember starting dark and darker like less then 2 months ago and game had 13-15k player count and now it's not even cracking 4k daily peak i've never seen a game kill itself faster then this lmao

arctic laurel
void kestrel
earnest current
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All playerr it's time to say goodbye and Delete this game , no solo mode , dungeon give only green grass let those Devs and boss in IRONMACE eat it

native bone
sturdy badger
loud silo
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@mystic sky yeah bud, im sorry but pve in a PVP focused game, isnt gonna do anything. especially when its as simple as it is. even bosses were figured out within hours of being released, and then farmed nonstop. no ones gonna be hardcore about farming a 2 mechanic boss over and over, and if they were, they would just play runescape instead

solemn maple
#

My inconsistent decisions and shallow responses to feedback from various types of players have led to the current state of the game, and I now believe that this outcome is not ideal. That was entirely my mistake, and I will not repeat it again.
the same guy write 1 hour later that he wont add quiver because of balance issues
and wants to add multi class

median salmon
mystic sky
pastel garden
#

So many people are upset they can't just gear check their way to victory, I pity these skilless noobs who are unable to compete on a fair footing

haughty gorge
#

never cook again lil bro @glad thunder

lofty cave
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blows my mind sdf stated he is "saddened" that people think hes ruining the game on purpose but i mean come on blatantly is by not listening to the community. like am i wrong ? im so baffled it has to be a mistranslation or something

potent tide
void kestrel
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"To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now, and I plan to use this point as the foundation for further tuning." . . . . Pack it up boys. Game is in an excellent state and sdf has no regrets

sullen flower
#

BRO I CANT WAIT FOR 2 ARTIFACTS THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE WILL SEE AND YOU HAVE TO PLAY BOSS FORTNITE TO GET

winged herald
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game is dogsh1t

grand verge
manic prism
solemn maple
#

what if add after multi class (perks) multi spell? . that would be a fresh air in a stinky pit

fleet surge
#

Pretty sure they took artifacts out of the game. I haven’t seen anyone get one this wipe yet

still cloud
#

was going to play just now finally, but then realized I have to wait for my friends to get on to play or else im stuck with randoms. Great change why am i still here again?

median salmon
#

globally, there are 1900 in dungeon. This game is a MASSIVE hit. The vision is REAL!

inland patio
#

@zinc sparrow @glad thunder

We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game. ³

woeful tartan
#

how much longer until he realizes this games doesnt exist without solo/duo ? any bets ?

mystic sky
# quiet finch I dunno what you are smoking, but PvE has never been and will never be a thing t...

Also what are you smoking? Yes it has been. Gear is the reason why they couldn't ever have wizard and rogue hit harder, or their weapons deal more damage. True damage anyone? You literally couldn't play those classes without all the true damage.

@loud silo All they have to do is add more moves and randomize the movesets more if they really wanted to get people to struggle, but bosses are kinda terrible as they are, just because of how buggy they tend to be. But for common mobs it might work better. They haven't made PvE harder because they haven't been trying to begin with, but it's very much possible.

@potent tide True KEKW

If they went back to adding crap like all attributes or true damage I'd probably leave again and not look back. Whoever thinks that was good for the game was either making rl money off of the game or likes winning pvp just from having gear and not skill.

robust mica
#

nah hes saying he doesnt give af about your crying if u dont like it play something else fr bc its not changing just bc you cry

median holly
worldly pilot
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everything else thats wrong aside are the servers lagging or is it just me?

loud silo
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@mystic sky "just change the entire dynamic of PVE dude its easy HAHA" brother. just play a different game

lofty cave
civic marsh
void kestrel
whole stag
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crazy fun game, im enjoying barbarian so much. I just wish i had more access to range, maybe longbow or crossbow or something. Also i think adding a circle like in fortnite would fit this battle royale game better. Hope they try circle and maybe some solo/duo q's soon!

solemn maple
median salmon
#

holy shit, we are quickly approaching 1800 users in dungeons world wide! SumDumFuk's vision is becoming a reality!

rare sphinx
#

How dead is game now been some months

next saffron
#

uninstall, dead game

mystic sky
# loud silo <@105033621781364736> "just change the entire dynamic of PVE dude its easy HAHA"...

You're the one complaining about them changing the game to something you don't like 👀 What do you think that says about you?

If DaD ends up being turned into a different game why do you feel so entitled to think they shouldn't do it? Just go develop your own game

@void kestrel If anything, cheaters don't really have any monetary incentive to do it now, because gear won't give you good profits IRL and playercounts are so low. I haven't been E S P'd once yet in the new update

sullen flower
#

1,526 in Lobby
1,817 in Dungeon
🥴

median holly
bitter blade
# mystic sky You're the one complaining about them changing the game to something you don't l...

SDF is nothing short of a genius in game design—his work on Dark and Darker proves he's not just a developer, but a visionary. While other devs play it safe, SDF dives headfirst into bold mechanics that challenge players and revive the hardcore spirit gaming has lost. He understands tension, risk, and reward like few others, crafting experiences that are brutal, fair, and unforgettable. Every system he touches feels intentional, every moment in the dungeon shaped by a mind that truly gets what makes games fun, punishing, and addicting. Simply put, SDF is built different.

upper wolf
inland patio
loud silo
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@mystic sky im not complaining about anything actually. Im trying to express to you, that YOU are asking for an entire aspect of the game to be completely changed into something it is not, and has never been. You are asking for a different game, brother. so just play a different game.

mint lodge
whole acorn
inner olive
whole stag
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i have belief that sdf's vision is good. We just need to give them time to pivot from the game this community has forced them to make. SDF let the community decide too much, and what we were left with was a toxic bunch of gear diffing dungeon dwellers who gear crutch! SDF can turn the boat around into a true PVEpvp game, and i hope he makes it, and all the toxic dungeon dweller gear crutch players go away!

glass viper
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ok then. guess they are taking the game down the path of death and nothing anybody says or does will change that. We might as well help them, make sure to leave steam reviews.

bitter citrus
rare sphinx
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what did they do now? someone give run down lol

mystic sky
# loud silo <@105033621781364736> im not complaining about anything actually. Im trying to e...

Good bait. I don't really care about your opinion, though. If I throw an idea out there it's not your problem whether or not it's heard. You're the one whining that I'm giving out my opinion/ideas.

Idk why people feel the need to rage when I say PvE could be an enjoyable part of the game.

And regarding cheaters, the only things I imagine will be worth much now for IRL profit are artifacts and gold storage items, and both are rare to get with or without ESP. I imagine the amount of cheaters will be minimal from now on unless they bring back true damage, all attributes and other highly expensive stat bonuses

inland valve
median salmon
#

It is a sad state of affairs that I would rather spend my time commenting on SumDumFuk's vision, and the amazing player count in the discord channel while playing other games, than bothering to log into DaD. I spent about 20 hours playing in the semi-wipe, and I felt like I accomplished absolutely nothing. SumDumFuk even managed to screw the quests up. Touch 200 torches? are you insane? I would rather jack off with sandpaper than waste time with a stupid quest like that.

loud silo
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@mystic sky ok but, Let’s say, hypothetically, I am a barbie girl. Okay, let’s even say I’m in a barbie world. Right so, in this scenario, I would obviously know from personal experience that life in plastic is fantastic. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume you could brush my hair and undress me literally everywhere? Imagination; you can derive from the fundamentals of basic logic that life is your creation. Do you understand now, you silly goose?

solemn maple
pastel garden
# sullen flower BRO I CANT WAIT FOR 2 ARTIFACTS THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE WILL SEE AND YOU HAVE TO...

The recent update has everyone grumbling, but it's clear that SDF's vision is pushing the boundaries of what the game can be. Though many balk at the drastic changes, these tweaks aren't mistakes—they're calculated moves designed to challenge our skills and deepen our engagement. SDF knows that true progress often comes wrapped in discomfort, forcing us to adapt and evolve. In time, as the balance and depth reveal themselves, it will be evident that this update was not a misstep but a bold leap toward a richer, more rewarding gameplay experience.

void edge
main garden
bitter blade
# whole stag i have belief that sdf's vision is good. We just need to give them time to pivot...

SDF is nothing short of a genius in game design—his work on Dark and Darker proves he's not just a developer, but a visionary. While other devs play it safe, SDF dives headfirst into bold mechanics that challenge players and revive the hardcore spirit gaming has lost. He understands tension, risk, and reward like few others, crafting experiences that are brutal, fair, and unforgettable. Every system he touches feels intentional, every moment in the dungeon shaped by a mind that truly gets what makes games fun, punishing, and addicting. Simply put, SDF is built different.

grand verge
jovial marten
ivory lantern
#

see this is what I mean by people who just don't understand sdf's vision

inner olive
#

yo SDF confirmed player houses

glass viper
thorny parrot
#

ive been here since the 1st play test i have been around and it feels alot like the 1st playtest again not getting gear checked and having fun fighting through the dungeon but everyone just wants to be so op and have a huge skill gap and gear thats op im still having fun with the game but alot of these changes should have been making progress not going back to day 1

fossil vortex
#

The Prowess of the Ranger

This archer, with their keen eye and swift hand, doth excel in ranged combat, a true artisan of the bow. From afar, they may safely fell great beasts and humble other players, all whilst keeping out of harm's way. Verily, they are the bane of any who would close the distance.

Their traps, cunningly laid, are a marvel of guile. These snares serve many a purpose: to ensnare foes in a deadly ambush, to command the very field of battle, or to grant a swift escape from peril's grasp. Woe betide any who stumble unawares into their hidden devices!

Moreover, the Ranger is a creature of swift movement and elusive grace. They possess the uncanny ability to maintain their distance, leading their adversaries on a merry chase whilst peppling them with arrows. To kite an enemy, keeping them ever out of reach, is a skill they have mastered.

And mark this well: their tracking abilities are beyond compare. No foe can long remain hidden from their sharp senses, for they can discern the very path their enemies have trod. This knowledge grants them a potent advantage, for to know where thy foe is, is to hold power over them.

In essence, the Ranger is a deadly and elusive opponent, a phantom of the battlefield who can dominate from afar through the clever use of their many tools. Cross them at your peril, for they are masters of the distant kill!

gray rivet
#

1800 dungeon 1480 in lobby love it

loud silo
#

@mystic sky 🫃 (me)🫄(you) 🐐 (SDF watching from the closet) this could be us, if you'd just calm down, bro.

median salmon
#

You will know when SumDumFuk finally realizes his mistake. 2 things will occur. Player counts will be removed and tracked internally to hide the obvious results of his "vision", while regions that have completely died will be "merged" to help streamline the user experience.

mystic sky
candid gate
#

Put one roll on the gear and maybe people will play the game again dear fkin lord

clear pendant
solemn maple
#

what if we buy some big streamers and make fake hype about the game?

void edge
# bitter blade SDF is nothing short of a genius in game design—his work on Dark and Darker prov...

No doubt SDF has a unique vision, and Dark and Darker nailed that raw, high-stakes dungeon crawl vibe early on. But genius in game design? That’s a stretch when you alienate a huge chunk of your player base. Removing solo/duo/trio queues, ignoring feedback, and leaning too hard into 'vision' without adapting—that’s not bold, that’s stubborn. A truly great designer evolves with the community, not in spite of it. Hardcore doesn’t have to mean hemorrhaging players.

rapid lava
bitter blade
# void edge No doubt SDF has a unique vision, and Dark and Darker nailed that raw, high-stak...

The recent update has everyone grumbling, but it's clear that SDF's vision is pushing the boundaries of what the game can be. Though many balk at the drastic changes, these tweaks aren't mistakes—they're calculated moves designed to challenge our skills and deepen our engagement. SDF knows that true progress often comes wrapped in discomfort, forcing us to adapt and evolve. In time, as the balance and depth reveal themselves, it will be evident that this update was not a misstep but a bold leap toward a richer, more rewarding gameplay experience.

void kestrel
severe coyote
#

On the bright side there's a few games releasing this year that will dominate the genre, nobody will miss dark and darker and sdf's vision will forever be remembered as a joke and a big L for south korea.

median salmon
#

actually HR is the place to be if you just want a PvE experience. I played 2 hours solo on Saturday and never came across a single player. You can kill bosses and get some sweet green gear, that has the same stats as your white squire gear with just a slight armor bump. It's awsome, and rewarding getting those quests out of the way, but once the quests are done, there really isnt much of a point to que back into the game in HR. All thats left to do is just squire gear into normals and go PvPing with the other 17 people playing

loud silo
#

@mystic sky That's offensive, biggot. Don't make me call Bill Murray. I'll do it and he's gonna take a bite from your sandwich and no one's ever going to believe you.

bitter shadow
#

can we make a party when it goes bellow 1000 players?

south vigil
#

Almost below 3k player count lol SDF IS SO TROLLL

shell root
gloomy gale
#

from 45k+ to 2k in a year

opal wadi
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

inland valve
median salmon
#

I know what SumDumFuk's vision really is. He wanted to have a DaD meet up party at Ironmace HQ, but their conference room could only accomodate 47 people, so he is dwindling down the player base to just the most loyal, most committed, players before he sends out the invites.

loud silo
#

@median salmon big brain plays tbh

muted hull
#

@glad thunder THE VISION IS COMING STRONG, ATLEAST THE VISION OF LOSING YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYERBASE

grand patio
#

SDF and their dev team have to understand, we are the game without us there is no game. If they don’t follow the community their is no community, you can make whatever game you want to, but you have a fan base of dark and darker why risk losing it all to change the game away from what the community wants. Why risk getting rid of your content creators who make the game what it is. Why remove random modifiers without adjusting class balance (no bard ale build) no true damage stack, so on so forth. Why ruin your reputation even further?

low helm
#

alot of yall either didnt read sdf kitchen or didnt get the message but hes not reverting. hope that helps

mystic sky
low quarry
#

Did they disable in game audio

inner olive
hearty forum
crisp wren
sweet quartz
main lintel
steel radish
#

im not playing this game anymore but man is it hilarious to see SDF coping as hard as he can. "Im generally satisfied with where things are now". There is no way someone is watching their game decline into the abyss and thinks... Hey man this is pretty good! we can use this.

north breach
#

I've been against the doomers this whole time, but after reading what sdf has in store for the game I'm done playing I think. Who knows maybe he can create something worth playing but as of now getting 1 tapped or shot 3x is just not fun for me. This shit literally feels like call of duty

opal wadi
loud silo
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@mystic sky oh yeah!? well; @fallen schooner @fallen schooner. GOT EM. Get rekt, nerd. DOUBLE rekt, even. That's right, son. Sit down. You don't want this smoke.

void kestrel
low helm
gloomy gale
#

beacuse sdf doesnt actually run the game he want a game thats fun for him when he cant play it without dieing
you could be in max unique gear and get 2 tapped by a skelton axe man

devout surge
empty sun
#

@loud silo@mystic sky both ignore each other please

inner olive
#

everyone here is so blessed that this is their biggest problem in the summer of 2025

crisp wren
#

While I generally hate the situation just as much as everyone else, I have to say that I've never encountered a gaming community with as little reading comprehension and common sense as Dark and Darker's

golden oasis
#

#sdfs-kitchen
Bruh this is a no win for you at this point. Either you are actively sabotaging the game (which apparently the accusations hurt your feelings) or you are extremely incompetent and shouldn't be in your position. These posts just reinforce that either way the game fails till you leave.

mystic sky
main lintel
echo void
#

Ironically my main reason for not playing the game is the low player count. In Australia there’s barely any players so it’s boring

tame elbow
#

The max player count was like 50k , so 50.000 players multiplyed by 30usd, like 1.5 M so... they dont care about players actually like theirs game, the already have all the lettuce dudes, dont keep wasting energy

rustic oar
low helm
low quarry
#

Why is the team chat VOIP disabled

rare oracle
#

My team and I all have over 2k hours each. I own a fooking 45 dollar coffee drinking emote. We have all quit

keen cedar
#

rip game Skull

sterile anvil
#

Wow so from the kitchen channel im getting that the game was good because of community feedback, but SDF's ego got in the way so they made it total shit and blamed the community. wonderful.

radiant dew
#

@zinc sparrow n @glad thunder f

We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game.

SA Servers need to be fixed.

winged herald
#

game fucking sucks. 1shot by pvE everywhere. so clueless

delicate gull
#

Can anyone confirm if artifacts are or are n ot in the game right now please!!!!

flat pelican
#

CAN I CLAIM MY TWITCH DROPS NEXT WIPE I DONT WANT TO WASTE THESE TOKENS ON USELES ITEMS STUPID DUMB ITEMS

final robin
#

i love how the entire kitchen blog is just sdf telling us its our fault for not having the same vision as him and he doesnt give a fuck if the majority of players leave or not

scarlet osprey
#

Game is butt

low helm
tired ferry
#

honestly i think im done. without random modifiers i cant achieve the gameplay that i grew to love

opal wadi
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

worn kernel
void kestrel
devout surge
#

Lmao just extracted from dungeon and inventory has NOTHING that I grabbed in raid.

sterile anvil
#

SDF wants a fundamentally different game from the players. we want skill expression and balance with longer TTK, he wants one taps and instant wins, total chaos and no semblance of balance. For a while they were willing to give us what we wanted so we'd spend money, but their egos wont allow it anymore and they would rather no one plays the game than give any ground on their "vision". they got their money, they dont care anymore.

lyric grove
#

how in the fuck did you manage to make shields worse

final robin
#

we fixed shields btw and they block even less

woven terrace
#

It's actually completely unreal how awful this patch & update is. LOL. this game is so stinky ❤️

sour gyro
#

WHY CANT THEY SEE THEY ARE KILLING THERE GAME!!!! THERE IS LITTERLY 3000 PEOPLE PLAYING THIS GAME!!!! I REMEBER A TIME WHEN 20,000 WAS THE AVERAGE LIKE WTF DUDE... GREED CONSUMED THIS COMPANY

low helm
#

its never this serious. seek help pls Salute

unreal obsidian
#

<2000 in game and <2000 in lobby.. still dropping

void kestrel
#

1.5k in lobby. 1.9k in dungeon. This is fine ☕

fossil vortex
#

The Prowess of the Ranger

This archer, with their keen eye and swift hand, doth excel in ranged combat, a true artisan of the bow. From afar, they may safely fell great beasts and humble other players, all whilst keeping out of harm's way. Verily, they are the bane of any who would close the distance.

Their traps, cunningly laid, are a marvel of guile. These snares serve many a purpose: to ensnare foes in a deadly ambush, to command the very field of battle, or to grant a swift escape from peril's grasp. Woe betide any who stumble unawares into their hidden devices!

Moreover, the Ranger is a creature of swift movement and elusive grace. They possess the uncanny ability to maintain their distance, leading their adversaries on a merry chase whilst peppling them with arrows. To kite an enemy, keeping them ever out of reach, is a skill they have mastered.

And mark this well: their tracking abilities are beyond compare. No foe can long remain hidden from their sharp senses, for they can discern the very path their enemies have trod. This knowledge grants them a potent advantage, for to know where thy foe is, is to hold power over them.

In essence, the Ranger is a deadly and elusive opponent, a phantom of the battlefield who can dominate from afar through the clever use of their many tools. Cross them at your peril, for they are masters of the distant kill!

cold venture
low flame
tired ferry
#

wow hes actually a d bag

obsidian frigate
#

they just want to milk as much money as possible atp

molten marlin
humble bloom
#

"We aim to build a foundation and refine it."
Is what I would say if that's what was happening lmao
"i didn't want to use the random mod system from test server " then why even have a test server?
"I wanted different elements for arrows like ice fire and poison " then "no quiver cause Rangers are strong enough"
Bro is typing stuff just to read what he wrote. None of it made sense it's all full of non answers and going in circles.
I don't usually care enough to write much but man he really doesn't care anymore. Change whatever lets get axe specialization to +5 again

low helm
#

Hes not gonna revert yall. pack it up and move on

boreal umbra
#

At this point the best course of action is to shutdown the servers, take 6 months to refine and tune, and "re-release." They need time to get their shit together, and I think that's fine 🤷🏻‍♂️ I can play other games for 6 months and come back to a more finished product with no hard feelings

sterile anvil
void kestrel
humble bloom
low helm
subtle heart
#

Future systems seem cool but gear not mattering is dookie

golden oasis
main lintel
blazing zealot
#

Honestly just go make a steam review of ur honest opinions and rate it how u think u should.

delicate steppe
#

Bro y'all just need to chill and let sdf cook.. play a diff game or something haha

knotty acorn
#

fr unplayable cant go into a fucking room with stutter or desync, i bought the game before the epic giveaway and was fine cuz was having fun, now its just pure trash, uninstalling and going to nightreign

pine shell
#

i love dark and darker right now ☺️

topaz star
#

I honestly have been enjoying this semi wipe a lot (No I'm not baiting ffs)

solemn maple
#

no worrys the new database from multiclassing will ensure a good balancing for the new season

dense folio
#

bad morning sdf

rustic oar
#

“We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player's character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy.” Pack it up guys this game is never going to be good again

warm condor
#

sdf should take a long walk off a short bridge for what hes done to this game

zealous pecan
#

This Game is so dead ngl

humble bloom
#

Bro that's crazy. I didn't know it was that bad. I figured it wouldn't be balanced properly. But at this point? Anything goes. I have plenty of other activities to partake in until he figures out what to do

wet kindle
low helm
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man the new baseline for gear is going to turn into something great. im excited to see the end of this new path

lethal crag
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can i get a refund?

modest tulip
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me too ?

dapper mortar
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firt time i saw it under 2k. in dungeons

sterile anvil
waxen totem
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I can't even arena anymore, I can't find a match

runic parcel
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GOOD THING DUNGEON STALKERS FINAL PLAYTEST IS LIVE. Free, nothing to lose but time. They give free 3k currency to get the pass all charcters and some skins. Also free gold just for playing to get your items. No gold stash cap! Dont need to use space holding thoes usless bags. TTK is actually balanced

signal rivet
toxic charm
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Wakeup 🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 Wakeup 🇹 🇭 🇪 Wakeup 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 Wakeup

pine shell
severe hill
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The game is dead comrads. At this point they are just selling our data. There is no other explanation good bye im leaving the discord and uninstalling love you

flat pelican
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I DONT WANNA USE THE TWITCH DROP REWARD TOKENS FOR THESE TRASH ITEMS CAN I KEEP THEM TILL NEXT WIPE UNCLAIMED?

main lintel
inner olive
wet kindle
rough plinth
waxen totem
dense perch
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Its third person garbage

wet kindle
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now would be a great time for them to attempt it again

jovial marten
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Wakeup🇼IRONMACEseal🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭IRONMACEseal 🇼IRONMACEseal 🇻 🇮 🇸 🇮 🇴 🇳IRONMACEseal🇸 🇩 🇫🔥 🔥🇬 🇴 🇦 🇹🔥

inner wing
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im loving this game still

main lintel
granite nest
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Wakeup 🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 Wakeup 🇹 🅾️ Wakeup 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 Wakeup 8️⃣7️⃣ Wakeup

mystic sky
glass viper
distant comet
vapid dagger
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game buns eveyone quit

signal rivet
solemn maple
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so the wipes goal was : Combat Feel Balance – We want skills and tactics to have a little more influence on the outcome of combat and fix things that feel “off” in combat.
Class Balance and Build Viability – The outcome of battles shouldn’t feel hopeless based purely on class matchups. And thats why we add multiclassing next . yes baby and quivers decide the pvp matches to hard 😄 ... open d gates sdf

flat pelican
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🇲 🇾anguish 🇹 🇼 🇮 🇹 🇨 🇭 anguish 🇩 🇷 🇴 🇵 🇸 Skull 🇮 🇻 🇪 Wakeup 🇧 🇪 🇪 🇳 Wakeup 🇸 🇨 🇦 🇲 🇲 🇪 🇩 Wakeup

gritty stump
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sdf is satisfied with the game losing 100 players a day ok good luck buddy

tardy tinsel
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its crazy how there are more cl0wn(word is literally blocked cuz they know the game is so bad) emojis on the announcements then there are players in the game

arctic laurel
analog stirrup
devout surge
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hot fix when

cold venture
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1963 in dungeon lol

solemn maple
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if he dont care who plays and who doesnt why he makes announcements to the game . if the game is anyway just in the way he wants to have it? why does this discord even exist? 2025 full of Ouroboros

latent yew
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We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful,

While not yet fully confirmed and therefore not included in our internal roadmap, I would like to introduce systems such as a mastery system that grants additional bonuses based on your proficiency with individual weapons or armor—for example, gaining +1 True Damage

a contradiction already

trim zealot
queen spruce
# latent yew We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s c...
  • "I would like to introduce systems such as a mastery system"
  • "we’re also considering a training system"
  • "We have no intention of keeping things in their current state forever"
  • "this doesn’t necessarily mean that random modifiers will return in the future"
  • "we’ll consider whether it’s possible to create something interesting through the Goldsmith"

Can't have contradictions if nothing is actually concrete

severe coyote
mystic sky
lyric creek
gray rivet
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does sdf actually speak/write english? No hate at all but just wondering if everything he says is going through google translate

rustic oar
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The only feedback Sdf listens to is the voices in his head. Constantly telling him to change axe specilizatiion for the 9th time

solemn maple
latent yew
mortal crest
sullen vector
lyric creek
# latent yew its another system that will make new players weaker because they didnt put enou...

new players are weaker at level 1 from not having the passives... new players are weaker simply from not learning the game and getting facerolled by not knowing the monsters. new players always gonna lose in team fights cause they dont have the play time experience.... the subclass system he was talking about was something that you get level 20ish no different than your passives...guys giving y'all variety and unique ways to build and y'all still choose to play picked on.
If you hate the current system because its a battle royal and a pvp sesh and you dont get to even enjoy the pve aspect, why are you hating on him trying to find a non overpowering way to let you collect and do new things with your character ?

rustic oar
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I don’t understand what Sdf is trying to make this game into. You can’t have an extraction game without risk/reward. It’s like he’s never wanted this to be an extraction game. I’m incapable of seeing the vision. Is he going to switch genres

pearl crest
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lol

queen spruce
spiral totem
sullen flower
# pastel garden The recent update has everyone grumbling, but it's clear that SDF's vision is pu...

ChatGPT reply, ChatGPT response

While it’s tempting to frame drastic changes as bold innovation, the reality is far less inspiring. SDF may claim to be pushing boundaries, but what we’re experiencing feels less like evolution and more like experimentation at the players’ expense. Discomfort doesn’t always signal progress—it often reflects a disconnect between vision and execution. Rather than deepening engagement, these updates have disrupted core mechanics that once made the game enjoyable. Until SDF prioritizes stability, transparency, and meaningful feedback, no amount of poetic framing will mask the growing discontent within the community.

spice coyote
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does anyone know why it wont let me click the twitch link for twitch drops

lyric creek
rustic oar
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Sdf has to be some sick fuck with a humiliation kink or something. It’s the only explanation that make’s sense

latent yew
# lyric creek i know right sure wish he would make a pve mode that the new players can go worr...

I would like to introduce systems such as a mastery system that grants additional bonuses based on your proficiency with individual weapons or armor—for example, gaining +1 True Damage when reaching max proficiency with a Stiletto Dagger, or gaining a slight increase in Armor Rating when maxing out proficiency with a Fine Cuirass.
this is not multi classing this is leveling up your weapons and armor to gain additional stats so yes on top of all of the other things you listed this is one more thing to make the balance even worse

inland patio
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We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrated. Patch after patch, promise after promise, the situation keeps deteriorating.

You announced a semi-wipe with new items. Where are the new items?

You brought up the quiver delay again, only to repeat the same vague excuse from a year ago.

You continue to justify poor class mechanics—like the Ranger’s inventory punishment—instead of improving the experience.

Worst of all, you completely ignored the single most game-breaking issue of all: THE ENTRY LAG.

Every time a new player enters the dungeon, the match stutters—1ms, 500ms, 2 full seconds of input lag.
This has been happening for MONTHS and yet it wasn't even mentioned in the latest 2,000-word post.

This is no longer a question of “balancing” or “vision.” These are critical, unresolved technical failures combined with empty promises and misplaced development priorities.

You claim to build a game for “players like you.” Well, the actual player base is telling you now:
This game is becoming unplayable.

The community demands a real response—not philosophy, not poetry, not another excuse.
Fix the game.

coral pulsar
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how about we give the game back and put the product we are testing BACK IN THE TESTING SERVER

If you want to use this setup as a base for what your trying to make, let the people who want to test, test it in there own area then start adding stuff in there INSTEAD OF MAKING THE GAME BORING AND FORCING US TO TEST IT

EVERYTHING IS BUGGY, THERE IS NO REWARD TO PLAYING, THE GAME WILL DIE BEFORE THE THREE MONTHS U WANT US TO WAIT

sullen flower
# inland patio We, as long-time players and supporters of Dark and Darker, are beyond frustrate...

We hear the frustration, and it’s clear that the current state of the game isn’t meeting the expectations of many longtime players. The concerns raised—about the semi-wipe, the quiver delay, class design, and especially the entry lag—are valid and deserve more than vague updates or silence.

While it’s true that ambitious changes often come with growing pains, that doesn’t excuse technical issues going unaddressed for months or feedback being met with non-answers. Vision means little if the foundation isn’t stable.

The community has shown patience, passion, and loyalty far beyond what most early access titles could expect. That goodwill is fading—not because players dislike change, but because they feel unheard.

If SDF wants to continue saying this game is for “players like us,” then the next move has to be more than words. Fixing the entry lag, delivering promised features, and engaging in honest dialogue with the community aren’t just expectations—they’re the bare minimum now.

lyric creek
# latent yew I would like to introduce systems such as a mastery system that grants additiona...

do me a favor k.. go to the squire on each character and build the sets that you'd use on them, take the stat bonus -> ratios then cross them between what class vs what class that class would be good against. Then let me know when that 1 damage would ever make a difference or when that 1.2% damage reduction even matters to stop you from getting headshot compared to hit in the arm for 100% damage difference ( yes 1 damage cause thats all true damage adds no multiplier ) then run that scenario over 1,000+ times and reallllly let it sink in that its so minimal that you either die or dont regardless of what you use.... after grasp that concept you'll understand why the people that are experience and arent new can go squire kitting people in purple sets right now.

trim zealot
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All this chat gpt chit is wild.

hybrid vapor
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Yall should look at Rust Legacy and see the difference from the current Rust. it was early access for legacy. things changed from the original and people hated it. I hated it. but now the game has a massive player base, and its still a game i enjoy. I loved legacy. it was simple clean and fun. But so is the current Rust.
The in between though? It was a filthy fucking ride and SO many things changed, flipped and flopped, and many cool concepts were gutted half way through just to be brought back later in a patch after its full release. Its just how things work with smaller companies.
Idk how things are gonna turn out but i just find other things to do when im not interested or enjoying something. There was a time i didnt like Rust but i like where its at now. Legacy released in 2013. They remade everything from scratch to release Rust as a full game in 2018. 7 years later they still have patches, hot fixes, and content updates to improve the game. Let them do their thing and find your own thing to do if you dont like it rn.

cold venture
quiet flume
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i feel there is more people in this discord giving them hell....rightly so.....than actually playing the game

queen spruce
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I wonder if it even matters what system he builds to introduce build variety. He just eliminated like 90% of the balance variables in random modifiers and still managed to instantly create an insanely biased ranged/barb meta

green beacon
hybrid vapor
# cold venture still got lawsuit

and? Legacy was fucking DEAD when hackers figured out how to run rampantly without repercussions. This is where the part about them starting from scratch comes in. Did you even look at an image from rust legacy? or are you too busy trying to find something to validate your feelings? My question to you is why are you still here if its to be doomed by lawsuit?

cold venture
rustic oar
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Sdf has to be some sick fuck with a humiliation kink or something. It’s the only explanation that make’s sense

latent yew
deep notch
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So the response from sdf is that it's the fans' fault that they couldn't pick a direction to go with the game? And that him and terry were fighting amongst each other over the balance and ttk? Feels like a really bad response lol game is cooked

plucky haven
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After reading the blasphemy in sdfs burnt down kitchen, im positive the game is going to die more than it already has, at least last season there was almost a constant 11k people active not all together, and blaming the community instead of taking the blame for himself is the most selfish thing I've seen him do yet.

coral pulsar
opaque pivot
gritty stump
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was gonna buy legendary but u guys had to ruin the game cuz ur so full of urself and think the way u make the game is the right way u just ignore ur community cuz u think ur doing the right thing ur not buddy yall really thought u were unstoppable and u wouldent lose players over changes u want lol

trim zealot
near jasper
hybrid vapor
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It was a good time. Viva la Frog Boots!

mortal crest
sturdy badger
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whats the player count at? uninstalled last week but i like to get updates on the number dropping lol

quiet stump
pearl crest
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200

final niche
coral pulsar
sturdy agate
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Imagine if the devs of dark souls were this bad

north fable
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he is really making a mmo style mastery system at this point
And why is he adding a mastery system, when his whole rambling was to ensure new players wont get outclassed by veteran players with the amount of time spent in the game

trim zealot
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Im glad all these kids left a majority of them were cry baby elitist shiqqers so im glad yall are gone #dontcomeback

sullen flower