game-discussion

[burnt moon]

I built a couple kit blue bis and only can use it in HR while I wanted to use it in solos blue but hey no more solos in normals

[inner egret]

There’s no conversation here at this point man let’s be real

[summer cove]

I built a couple kit blue bis and only can use it in HR while I wanted to use it in solos blue but hey guess what-no more solos in normals

[torpid wave]

what conversation this is game discusion where theres curently 20 people typing at the same time we dont share one brain dude

[outer ledge]

This channel is for discussion of Dark and Darker, from game mechanics to party composition strategies. - from the discription of the channel.

[versed trench]

Wheres the channel to know Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[lone heron]

#sdfs-kitchen

[hasty ice]

Ive got a strategy for dark and darker

Don't play until the game is good

[inner egret]

You’re just as bad as Dave

[fallow idol]

Former Hall Monitors everywhere

[sullen finch]

me rn

[summer cove]

at least dave has a cool thing next to his name

[torpid wave]

me when i finally get to play the game when it gets good :👴

[gleaming blade]

Iso a baddie

[hasty ice]

More like a coffin

[inner egret]

That’s actually fair Dave has a cool thing next to his name

[outer ledge]

No idea who that is. Nor do I really care.

[summer cove]

java are u fuckin blind, i wont be mad but itll make things make more sense

[inner egret]

You’re telling me how the chat should function as a newcomer and you’re not even keeping up with what’s going on like just stop typing plz

[fallow idol]

Sassy wassy

[spiral carbon]

Make DND great again 🙏

[torpid wave]

hey man don bully him thats against the rules bro

[outer ledge]

You name drop some dude with no context and expect it to make sense?

[gusty granite]

Meanwhile at Ironmace headquarters.

Terry: alright guys, our playerbase is dropping and people have felt this has been an 'eh' wipe. Any ideas?

Sdf: remove solos!

Terry: No, sdf, we need to make the game more accessible to new players for our playercount to go up.

Sdf: remove gear brackets!

Terry: how does that help?

Sdf: it's part of the vision!

Terry: Dude, we've had TWO steam releases and they didn't help at all with our playercount, and with these ideas the f2p experience is even worse, meaning those new players are leaving even earlier than before.

Sdf: game was meant to be played as trios, it's the vision!

Terry: ....

[summer cove]

on god i think he just smacks his keys and hits send no thoughts

[versed trench]

please only positive feedback like Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[outer ledge]

I can read the purpose of the chat and see spam. It really takes no effort to see what's plain as day.

[inner egret]

Future ironmace developer

[summer cove]

lmaaaao, get him to korea

[vapid needle]

lmao fr

[hasty ice]

Buffs druid "guys i can't believe we nerfed druid" buffs druid diffrently "Really im so sad about these druid changes"

[sullen finch]

You cracked the code 🫣

[torpid wave]

this whole chanel just straight up halves everyones iq as soon as they start typing in it

[summer cove]

real

[shrewd tartan]

Nah, just reading it is enough...

[subtle heart]

i miss the times when people would just complain about druids and not the whole game, way to go sdf

[inner egret]

This is actually so good can we spam this ?

[gusty granite]

Ask Dave

[summer cove]

i swear i could tie my shows before i got here, also real, cant believe i dont even care abt druids anymore cuz the game is so shit… wait is that the sdf vision

[versed trench]

the problems with druid is Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[inner egret]

Hey Dave can we spam that ?

[versed trench]

im not spamming im just having my vision

[inner egret]

It’s pretty good Dave I think we should

[summer cove]

@mossy wing

[subtle heart]

@mossy wing

[inner egret]

I feel like Dave was told to not use his authority as it might negatively effect the games already declining player count

[torpid wave]

@mossy wing

[versed trench]

@dave do you know Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[desert spire]

can i still migrate account from epic games? my friend ahve a problem when his game crashes

[summer cove]

“dave were gunna need u to make sure they dont spam that game discussion channel, it might hurt our reputation and decrease player counts”

[limpid lava]

no shot youre doing this over mutiple days

[outer ledge]

Yes, there's instructions in their FAQ on the ironmace site. You need to add a file to your directory after install.

[torpid wave]

Bro theres bigger issues going on rn 😭

[shut mural]

That chick blitz got mad I blocked her so she got a mod to time me out for asking why SDF forced me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[summer cove]

dont worry u cant even play duos lol

[inner egret]

“But also Dave don’t ban anyone we have data to suggest that if we ban them they don’t come back” “good luck Dave”

[limpid lava]

ill pay you whatever you paid for those kits to never type that again

[valid kettle]

LOL

[hallow pawn]

**im Voting for Blue Lobbys with a 🩵 🫡 **

[summer cove]

poor dave man would hate for him to have to come tell us to stop spamming

[shut mural]

Bro I’m asking the same thing

[versed trench]

its notabout the money i want to get into the vision and understand Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[summer cove]

its not about the money i want to get into the vision and understand Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits??

[subtle heart]

To solve the issue about gear and ghost towns: @glad thunder

1. Add back gear score limit, no more super geared people, no more squire people in hr. Keep 0-25, 0-124 or idk increase it to 192 then HR.
2. Bring back the gathering lobby (or have a player count) so we can have a number of players before the game even starts.
3. Remove the gem socketing and add something where u can roll the bonusses that u have (kind of how scrolls work in metin2) so this way the loot u get in drops actually have value and at the same time if u have a piece u want u can roll it till u get something decent.

[lone spear]

Wait, so “free to play” player don’t get to build kits, use market, use any gear at all, and are forced to play in full trios unless somehow by the grace of god got two unfortunate friends to download the game with you? How is this in any way good?

[inner egret]

I need more Dave lore tbh

[torpid wave]

OMG ITS A SPAM REBELION LETS GOOOOO

[desert spire]

we have plenty of friend dotn worry

[outer ledge]

SDF provided an answer: it's temporary and until he figures out a solution to the "gear gap" issue. That's a real question you should ask. What is the "gear gap" issue and how do you fix that?

[valid kettle]

I'm NGL i really felt that the blue gear lobbies was a nice sweet spot in the ladder. No getting one shot by an ultra souped barb. And still enough gear to actually feel its effect on your movement and strength. It felt perfect.

[gusty granite]

"that's the neat part, it isn't, please buy my game before I ruin it." -sdf

[inner egret]

Ask Dave

[desert spire]

where is it exacly, there is no FAQ cattegory or anything o nther website

[versed trench]

so the first gap was 120 normals and then he increased to full blues and now the solution is quires gear ?

[cinder mica]

Bring back Solo's!!

[outer ledge]

I think gear score was arbitrary and didn't play well with classes that want a lot of utility items. Maybe item rarity breakpoints make more sense? The other points you made are worth looking into though.

[torpid wave]

dude this game was peak last summer what the fuck went wrong

[hallow pawn]

Hey, what do i do with my Blue & Purple items now???
sdf told me to vendor

[valid kettle]

Can't be real?

[outer ledge]

https://www.darkanddarker.com/support/search

[lone spear]

Wow, thank god he’s gonna revert it like every other decision he’s ever made.

[inner egret]

A lot tbh and it’s all Dave’s fault

[elfin fern]

in general, a bunch of utility items should never have had gs or had lower gs

stuff like luck pots, pickaxes, etc.

[summer cove]

it was peak and now that u mention it i didnt see dave back then

[outer ledge]

Please explain what the deal with Dave is?

[subtle heart]

no... u go into rare lobbies and it goes like this, u either are full blue geared or u just lose. this why the gear limit would solve it, u are able to bring just a couple of the good gear things not making u op (when i say full blue geared i mean full rolls)

[versed trench]

dont rant on dave is a good guy

[shut mural]

Yeah but he forced us into it rares by removing the other lobbies. High roller should give more than enough Gear disparity data. Just watch any stream. Gear disparity everywhere. Rares didn’t feel anything like high roller does. So I don’t really think that answers my question.

[summer cove]

also can we remove boss spawning in hr!?

[inner egret]

You just gotta l2read man

[lone spear]

Brother it is

[elfin fern]

the biggest problem with gear score was that people would just stack true damage on ranged classes rogues or panthers

[lament kite]

Hey guys i dont like how crystal sword works with wiz since i cant block and damage isnt good (running int squire build) what weapon do i use?

[summer cove]

oh cool, didnt see it in the patch notes, wait yes i did i forgot

[shut mural]

Yeah unless you ask the hard hitting questions.

[hallow pawn]

removing an entire game mode for the whole game for the whole game

[balmy cedar]

Spellbook is the best option for wizards. It lets you cast the fastest.

[subtle heart]

and the gear roll that i talked about would also solve the issue, u would not be able to perma stack full rolls

[lone spear]

Thank god too l, it was lame as hell

[outer ledge]

No, it just means you have players who work out optimal gear (still full rolls) that fits up to the gear score limit and those who don't and lose to them. But with rarity breakpoints you don't get messed up by bringing in one extra explosive bottle or other throwable.

[summer cove]

fr, i havent been on since tht update, excited to sell my boss summons

[lament kite]

I mean secondary

[burnt moon]

stack true dmg on panther? and so what? if you dont have agility on panther its useless lmao

[outer ledge]

Please send me the chat message to read.

[balmy cedar]

Oh. Try running rondel dagger. If somone gets on your face you're in trouble the rondel lets you sour spot them so they wont kill you quite as quickly.

[lone spear]

Worth a lot from what I understand. I just stopped bossing and ripping piles

[fallow idol]

I work all day, come home, kiss my wife, have dinner, hop on my pc ready to run a decent norms kit, just to find there's no lobby for it, get on discord a channel just to ask, from the bottom of my little heart, Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[summer cove]

rarity breakpoints just leads to everyone running the same exact builds and bis not exactly fun and if u dont then boom gear gap, gear score had more flavour

[hallow pawn]

please please please change the lobbys

[elfin fern]

well yeah they just do quickness rings and fox or frost. shit like you could have a +3agi frost this season. but they at least attempted to fix scaling earlier this season before shitting the bed

[inner egret]

🇼 🇪 want 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦

🇼 🇪 want 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦

[subtle heart]

but u dont get the full kit with rolls, now lets be honest how many blue pieces u were able to carry into dungeon when the 0-124 limit was there?

[lament kite]

What should secondary for rondel be? Lantern?

[summer cove]

thats what i like to hear, i stashed up a bunch incase the price went up after people got more confident mid wipe

[summer cove]

full blues and common weapons

[balmy cedar]

I don't typically run a secondary. It used to be you could run a crystal ball and use it to add your bonus magic damage onto your rondel but that doesn't work anymore.

[lone spear]

Smart move. I’m using hammers like keys rn they sell for like 4.5k to vendors

[outer ledge]

Your question was why did he take away the rare limit lobbies. The answer was that SDF wasn't happy with how the gear gap played out in them. That was SDF's answer. I'm saying that instead of asking him to repeat that response we should question the underlying issue at hand.

[balmy cedar]

Dagger is for PVE and last resort against players on your face. Your spells are where you're going to be doing the bulk of your heavy lifting.

[subtle heart]

when we had the gear score gap it was really balanced

[hallow pawn]

🇼 🇪 want 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦

[brave oriole]

I miss blue common lobbies lowkey

[versed trench]

i highkey miss them

[fallow idol]

Remember when we could play solo with blue gear, good times

[old latch]

Why did SDF force me into rare lobbies just to remove them after I built all my kits?

[burnt moon]

only quickness rings and fox pendant is irelevant it doesnt give you enough

[elfin fern]

im high key missing white solos dawg

[hallow pawn]

player realizing blue lobbys was the shit

[winged ruin]

We hate trios!

[subtle heart]

u could go with budget kit not having to spend 3-4k to play in normal lobbies cause u d get rundown by 330 ms full geared people

[summer cove]

the gear scores were nice and i never thought i would miss them mostly cuz i never thought they would go away

[cinder mica]

Blue solo was the most fun this game has been in a year

[hallow pawn]

cool i found blue items im gonna stash them for later 😉

[outer ledge]

With gemming around any gear can have full rolls is what I'm getting at. Were you the one also proposing getting rid of gemming? Maybe I missed that part of your proposal.

[summer cove]

at least it was just a few min maxed blues instead of a full kit of them womp womp, also maybe just balance ur items and classes instead of changing up the queues?

[inner egret]

I feel like Dave is writing his letter of resignation rn tbh

[outer ledge]

Gear diversity and gear power are two separate design considerations. I agree there should be build variety.

[brave oriole]

Bro raid bossing solo into duos/trios with a laboratory built god kit and surgs was goated. Big loot pinata running around gear diffing until the end

[fallow idol]

New routine. Come home, Kiss dave, have supper, go to bed. Thanks SDF

[subtle heart]

replace gemming with a stone that u would get all stats random, landing 2-3 stats would be something, this a piece of gear with some good stats would actually mean something. now u can craft a legendary piece with full stats for 2k xd.

[lament kite]

Fair i was just curious because leaving a slot closed felt odd

[shut mural]

So I guess he didn’t have any data from how the lobbies were operating before he FORCED us into those specific lobbies.

[summer cove]

gemming did really kill finding like psuedo bis in the dungeon cuz ur like ope gotta gem tht stat off or its trash

[subtle heart]

exactly

[balmy cedar]

It is a bit odd. Your first goal if you're in melee as a wizard is to get out of melee, the extra MS helps with that especially in squire gear.

[fringe cliff]

I was thinking socketing should be an ingame mechanic like at a boss altar after it’s killed and you can socket 1 stat (not +all or MS tho)

[brave oriole]

The ability to rock blu rares and find purps and legendaries was neat.

[outer ledge]

I don't know. Maybe we should repeat that question until we get a satisfying answer? "Where's the gear gap data?"

[shut mural]

It’s laughable that gear disparity is why everyone got trolled into making blue kits when high roller has the worst gear disparity out of everything. It’s a non answer.

[subtle heart]

gemming should not be something to do very easy, this kills the whole concept of finding good gear in dungeons

[brave oriole]

Commons rn play like fortnite bro gotta get the purples from the loot box or else u die

[summer cove]

oooh in the same vain a mechanic like if i have a purple ring of quickness i can use a blue looted one or greater to socket one slot

[lone heron]

what do you do about the big wide swing you can't run from, duck or jump that the spectral knight spams sometimes

[outer ledge]

You want a PoE kind of system. Interesting. Is there a reason you don't like easy access to good stats?

[fringe cliff]

Agreed that’s why I was thinking it should be an in dungeon mechanic that can be done once per match and you need to risk the gem, I’m not saying doing boss is hard but for sure it’s better than what we have now.

[subtle heart]

the main reason of changing the gear brackets rn is because of overpowered gear. do i have to say more?

[summer cove]

easy access to good stats isnt always a good thing

[quasi tangle]

Yes

[outer ledge]

Why?

[fringe cliff]

Personally id like to see them nerf socketing again (remove +all and MS stats), Nerf loot because you shouldn’t be able to find 10+ Legendaries a HR run and nerf modifiers.

[opal dawn]

6 LAD PULV KUMA EUROPE NOOBS GO SNIPE THEM

[outer ledge]

I thought it was because of gaps between players not because of overall power? Maybe there needs to be a gear minimum rather than a maximum for lobbies?

[worldly wedge]

I think i stand With sdf, about gemming , since not all players have all Day to play and this game isnt grinder and grinder. Gems are Good.. but i feel Like they have tô add more artifacts would bê huge

[subtle heart]

the maximum is for normals, if u want unlimited gear there is hr

[summer cove]

it waters down the authenticity/rarity of good stats making op builds much easier and worth whileness of finding good gear much less

[outer ledge]

Aren't we talking about gear maximums in general? HR or normal doesn't really matter - they played around with maximums on either mode.

[summer cove]

fuck it one bracket from normals one bracket for hr both 0-infinite

[brave oriole]

Whuh...

[subtle heart]

we talking a bout normals, hr is for geared people, they can make 2 brackets for hr.... wait, they had that before but removed it, but if they add it back its again that we have too many lobbies

[outer ledge]

Ok, I see what you're saying. But doesn't that create a new kind of balance when everyone can get the build they want? Players who don't have time or gold can still compete. Stuff that is good is still somewhat valuable regardless.

[quasi tangle]

Lowkey wanna see how that plays out at this point

[outer ledge]

There's always going to be someone who min maxes their gear within the bounds they are provided. HR or normals doesn't matter in that regard.

[opal dust]

Have these devs always been like that, just make changes & 0 communication with player base?

[fringe cliff]

They will still get skill diffed even on the same level, also it destroys the market like we have now. Then there’s taking out the grind and making the game too easy like we have now. Don’t get me wrong I have a full time job and a girl but I still have time to be able to get gear np.

[subtle heart]

man i m talking from experience, i ve spend 3-4k for gear in rare lobbies only for me to insta everyone, 3-4k is meh but for most players is a lot, its not fair

[mossy wing]

You can check out graysun's messages 🙂

[summer cove]

not everyone wants to play build a kit tho, i prefer my self founds that are slightly less optimal than bis gemmed slots, plus decent greens blues and purples are barely worth anything which means finding them doesnt yield enough gold to make the risk worth it, thts why squire highroller is the best imo and just play arena for pvp

[outer ledge]

Skill should play a role in your winrate. Wouldn't an even gear playing field make skill even more pronounced an edge? And those who win more will definitely get more gear/cash than those who don't.

[undone swan]

anyone know how long the goblin merchant will hold onto my items for?

[subtle heart]

1 hour if u talk about the lost things

[undone swan]

yes my lost things

[subtle heart]

nvm we cannot bring anything above squire kit so it doesnt matter

and goblin merchant doesnt work in hr, only normals

[outer ledge]

Yeah, that's definitely an enjoyable experience. I have heard a lot of people ask for some kind of SSF only mode.

[undone swan]

he has my items from pve

[limpid brook]

Can we please remove the ability for invis to instantly deaggro all the mobs, rogues bringing a train of 15 nightmare skeletons into my tile 5 seconds into the round is absolutely stupid

[fringe cliff]

Sure you can make that argument but from my experience most people have gear fear so they won’t run that gear. You don’t get more cash because that majority of it is worth jack because of how easy it is to find it. You can look it up yourself there’s plenty of good +all legendaries for 100g because of how much loot there is in the game. It’s supposed to be a hardcore game not sissy find 10 legos a game bc it feels good.

[subtle heart]

a yes, 1 hour

[summer cove]

hmmm new strat for farming gear in 225+ hr

[agile timber]

its a duck while looking up i believe

[verbal spindle]

@undone swan It usually takes until the match ends, but can be longer. If you fell off the map (in ice abyss for example) he will not return it.

[lone heron]

ah I didn't think the difference was that big. that's good, that one has a distinct sound so that should make him easier if that works

[ruby dragon]

with highly nuanced arbitration ofc, there is a standard of operations that can be devised to make sure certain things are consistently met at any time, while being coupled to a rotation queue. its too many words for me to paste here, but feel free to dm me if you want a detailed opinion

[agile timber]

it keeps it from clipping your back hitbox just get ready to put your weapons up if its one that your hands stick out farther than most

[undone swan]

he has it, im just too poor to buy it rn

[elfin fern]

why don't we do the dead simple approach first and have if(playerCount > playerMinimum || elapsedTime > elapsedTimeMaximum) startGame()

[subtle heart]

when he says die, in normals u jump then crouch+look down, hr is crouch then jump

[novel dirge]

Now im not saying anything bout my friends name, But my broski does STILL have access to duo's and its quite funny

[outer ledge]

I see where you're coming from. But maybe the difficulty can come from knowing how to stat out your gear and builds as well as actual skills in PVP and game knowledge? Rather than an artificially scarce gear economy. When legendaries are easy to find you also won't see as much gear fear since you'll be able to get more. Also, there should be reasons to get more cash other than just more gear (I think the religion system was intended as a gold sink in this way).

[lone heron]

ok those are voice lines I thought I was hearing words in them but it also might have just been weird sounds

[ruby dragon]

isnt that wat we have rn?

[fringe cliff]

If you need some gold I got you boss, just dm me your ingame name.

[elfin fern]

if we do, it's clear that the reason we had dead lobbies is that the variables weren't tuned correctly

[undone swan]

wow, thank you

[novel dirge]

SDF fix yo game, my boy is in his own fuckin server on duo's, bro has pivate servers for free, Bro is playing DUO, on NORMALS, and theres NO ONE ELSE in the servers

[ruby dragon]

fair

[warm juniper]

Wow, always wanted to play this game, but I just watch from afar the shit show and continued bad decisions by the devs. Insane.

[fringe cliff]

It’s not artificial, that’s how the game was for a long time and the market was healthy due to that, now it’s all socketing and buying a piece of gear to use as a stat sheet. The main reason for money is buying gear but I agree vendors should have more stuff to buy. Regardless I’m HR only and don’t pick up the majority of peoples items when I kill them because they’re actually that worthless. I want the game to feel more hardcore and a lot of the current systems would benefit from that.

[vale citrus]

do you stil get ur items back in pve if you die?

anyone know?

[elfin fern]

imo they need to revert to 85, then poll "what minimum number of players you want? how long are you willing to wait?"

and maybe unilaterally remove purple HR. but leave solos/duos and blue lobby alone

[verbal spindle]

yes, unless you fall off the map

[brave halo]

brainless random teammates destroy my game ty nice patch

[agile timber]

honestly W take because whats HR about a bunch of purples?

[outer ledge]

I think there definitely needs to be a balance struck here between gear power and availability/scarcity. I know the devs would share your sentiment about hardcore feel - they've mentioned similar in the past.

[outer ledge]

You should. Some exceptions: falling in the void and teammates handing your gear to other players.

[severe coyote]

You know I bet sdf lets this bad decision simmer for awhile because he’s scared of being called out for the constant flip flopping.

[hybrid hearth]

when does the cockartrice start giving gems?

[outer ledge]

I've heard it's when it hatches. Once a day.

[hybrid hearth]

is it worth it?

[summer cove]

tell my why i just now read they are consolidating hr into just trios next ranked season

[outer ledge]

From what I heard, the amount you spend to get there is not. But for completionists, maybe.

[formal tide]

Is it next ranked season or this rank season

[summer cove]

it said once the adventurer rank ends so im guessing next season

[fringe cliff]

The thing is if they nerfed loot along with current socketing and random modifiers It would be perfect. Also nothing is stopping people who play all day from being better and having more loot (which imo seems fair since they play all day).

[hybrid hearth]

whats the reward quality?

[elfin fern]

because sdf used the empty lobby issue (which he created) as an excuse to force everyone to play his vision of threes only

so that he wouldn't "have" to keep balancing around solos, even though nobody was forcing him

[summer cove]

not as a flex but ive been demigod in duos for 3 seasons, its what i enjoy and knowing it could just be eliminated from the game really sucks, womp womp, gotta go play some knock off, really wish i could remember the name of tht other game, it has like all the same classes and its in third person

[outer ledge]

It goes up as you get higher affinity with the vendor, but I've heard many times it's not really worth it. I recall a streamer saying they got a purple gem or two.

[fringe cliff]

Its not worth it, Im very far in the quest line and it gives worthless gems 99% of the time

[elfin fern]

i enjoyed ratting solo in hr before circle, after circle it was a lot less fun but i could still do it.

now i'd have to find two other people to just queue as rogues and we all just hide :circus_entertainer: uninstalled last friday instead

[lament kite]

Where to get caps for the cap quest guys

[fringe cliff]

Used to find them a lot in crates/barrels not sure if thats the case anymore.

[outer ledge]

True, but I suppose there should be a limit to that in that you don't want people feeling like they can't compete unless they play all day.

[outer ledge]

You mean leather caps? Try ruins and opening all the tiny chests, barrels/crates, and killing all the mobs. You'll run into some common ones eventually.

[agile timber]

leather caps? good luck

[lament kite]

Thats the problem i aint finding them often there anymore

[vapid comet]

Why am I forced to play solo in trios? Im getting bent over and fucked every time I try to play this game. Idk how to clear in HR, so am I just fucked?

[lone heron]

I've found one in all my matches so far, it's a weirdly rare item to find in common quality

[lament kite]

I used to frost mountain that quest easily in the past and had trouble wiht the armour quest

[elfin fern]

we are all fucked unless IM decides to revert

[outer ledge]

Yeah, they tend to show up when you don't want them to lol.

[vapid comet]

When did they do that? I just tried to start playing back? Its not playable. I dont want to play with random ass people

[lament kite]

Oh yea i wonder if SDF sat and coded that into the game
if (LeatherSmithCapQuest == Quest.Clear) {Cap Spawn rate = 0];

[fringe cliff]

Im not a god gamer and certainly not the best player on this game, if you spend enough time you can kill BiS players with blue/purp kits. Ive done it hundreds of times and even this wipe with mega gear disparity ive done it. Its not easy and ive died many many times but its not impossible. The kits theyre running are full unique kits worth something so thats fair. It could be a lot easier if they just nerfed socketing and nerf random modifiers tho, which i think would help the game a lot with gear disparity. People that play all day can still have the edge but now they cant just stat check you for free if they run on you.

[woeful zealot]

same I shot an ice block and the guy died to wyvern

[fringe cliff]

LMAO id be mega tilted if that happened to me

[verbal spindle]

Could end up like me... spend the time and money to hatch it, only to receive no gems (been over 2 weeks, not a single gem). lol

[cinder mica]

Bring back Solo!!!

[scarlet sedge]

Bring back Solo!!!

[north pollen]

Bring back Solo!!!

[brave oriole]

Bro randoms in the trio queue need to stop farting into the goddamn mic

[silk trench]

My bad

[brave oriole]

I swear if ur zazademon30

[cold tide]

That’s happened to a lot of people so I’ve just ignored his quests

[silk trench]

😅

[outer ledge]

Sure. Makes sense you can outplay people at times or they make a mistake in the fight. Lots of possibilities that make gear less impactful. Also, the thing with uniques is that they can't just socket them, while rare/epic stuff might pose more well rounded and meaningful stats. Especially if you socket ideal rolls you can equalize some power gap. So I wonder if them being in uniques actually backfires a bit? It might be the case some of the time.

[brave oriole]

Bro shit a tornado

[silk trench]

Sorry

[fringe cliff]

No it doesnt backfire, I have uniques that are well rolled and theyre turbo good. If you use badly rolled ones for sure they can backfire but nobody really runs those. Its fairly easy to grind them out in HR tho imo, plenty of times ive had pretty dead lobbies or people are just scared to fight and i can free hit piles.

[twin juniper]

unless u run into barb on solo in maxxed out kit its just over

[vivid pawn]

This^

[cold tide]

Also unique gear is good with how high the stats are but it also has some down sides because you can only really do 2-3 things like hp, pdr, ms and to get action or high dmg you have to sacrifice something for it while legendary gear you can make all around kits

[twin juniper]

the best part is u dont even need name items on barb since everyone can buy the same best full kit for 20k with club and its jooover

[marble chasm]

in you guys' opinion, ignoring the +4 all attributes roll, which unique roll system do you think is more balanced a) with a single strong roll (e.g., +7 dex) or b) with 5 lower rolls (e.g., max 2 dex) ?

[lone heron]

I've never seen a unique item what. Is that. I thought people just meant items with unique stats

[outer ledge]

Right. That was more what I was getting at. Though if you choose off roll uniques it also hurts 😛

[twin juniper]

u can outplay any class in any gear but no barb this character is just insane man its like fighter back in the days 95% pdr

[marble chasm]

@lone heron unique is one rarity above legendary

[fringe cliff]

Most people dont run full uniques for this purpose though, firstly its too expensive second off you lose other rolls. When i go BiS i have a few uniques with +3/4all and some with 9% MS and then rest of my stuff is legos with good rolls.

[lone heron]

ok I thought it jumped straight to artifact

[marble chasm]

@lone heron a few patches ago artifacts were unique rarity , I beleive, but now they have their own rarity

[cold tide]

Max ms barb is pretty scary but rogue is good if you have a lot of throwing knives

[outer ledge]

It used to have like one more random stat than legendary, but this season they made them one random stat with up to 4 times the maximum value.

[fringe cliff]

For anyone who doesnt know artifacts are more obtainable than before so theyre actually sold on the market place and the cheapest ones being like 8-9k

[outer ledge]

I think I saw some Dryad's Wraths for like 6k last night.

[twin juniper]

ye i mean but like u get better heals u just outheal this and in final outcome u just kill the rogue anyway barb is just a stat checker he can do everything lke bonus hp from perk bonus hp from skill reduce dmg on skill reduce move speed on skill like if everyone can reach same stats 330 ms 30 action speed he just wins everyrtime

[inner egret]

The bad ones are 8-9k ye

[lone heron]

Ahhh that's actually neat.

[fringe cliff]

True forgot that one existed, dont really think its good enough to be one but ya.

[cold tide]

Yeah I normally run legendary rings, cape or boots to balance out some of my stats(besides rogue 21 true is insane)

[twin juniper]

i kinda liked the change with rolls on gems but now its just disapointing everyone is running same kit over and over u dont find anything unique nowadays

[fringe cliff]

for sure, but its 99% of the time pure stat checking people lmao. I just run on people and they cant do anything. (I dont think its healthy and should be 100% nerfed).

[inner egret]

All I know is me and my team died to cheaters both times we went HR since this patch on NA west and we’re not playing until they add back in mid range lobbies

[cold tide]

Yeah I get that and to be fair most the time I run rogue and fight a barb his kit is better but not by much

[twin juniper]

ye cuz like everyone can reach the cap pdr cap ms 30 action speed and he just has better kit perks/skills

[devout pollen]

cheaters how ? what were they doing

[cold tide]

Yeah I think the game is 70% gear 25% skill and 5% circumstance

[outer ledge]

Probably speed or reach hacks?

[inner egret]

Able to hit from hella far away

[devout pollen]

ah that blows man ...

[fierce violet]

Wow they actually did it. 10 armour scraps for 1 quest. I am not doing that lol gtfo.

[fringe cliff]

Completely agreed, when are we nerfing loot, socketing and random modifiers again?

[inner egret]

Guy had 6 life after deaths so it wouldn’t have mattered either way lol

[flat granite]

15% concentrated power of will

[outer ledge]

If you end up in great hall with all those living armors you tend to get armor scraps fairly frequently.

[twin juniper]

like last season gem socketing was good why they removed it i dont understand

[devout pollen]

Ive seen some juiced bots lose insane kits in the dumbest ways so idk xd

[fierce violet]

the frick they do I have gotten 3 armor scraps all season

[inner egret]

They literally just made it as good as it’s ever been

[twin juniper]

i mean u could roll up to 2 vig on neck etc no al lstats

[outer ledge]

Hey, I feel that way about cockatrice feather/egg lol. 0 for me.

[fringe cliff]

for sure, if they get too confident and make a big mistake it happens. Ive locked so many BiS players into a room with my squad lmao its the best way to do it.

[cold tide]

Idk I think items you sell to collector should stay the same in drops but lower the gear drops and the socketing is insane you can buy terrible legendaries off the market for cheap and just gem them into bis

[inner egret]

You can roll up to 3 now

You can literally max roll every stat in every slot now

[fierce violet]

I got 1 egg all season and 4 feathers. It took months.

[twin juniper]

ye thats what im saying its boring everyone has the same kit over and over

[inner egret]

I mean not really you roll 1-3 so it’s rng

[twin juniper]

kappa

[outer ledge]

Yeah, them making socketing full range might have been an experiment/excessive. Maybe they need to limit it to 2/3 range or so.

[fringe cliff]

Idc about the sellables since gold is easy to make regardless but for sure loot need a big hit, you can even buy 100g +all legos now to socket lmao shit is wild.

[marble chasm]

@twin juniper This system makes gear more accessible, so the gear gap is less in terms of accessibility (as opposed to stats between bis vs. poor gear)

[twin juniper]

ye but its just boring af bro everybarb i kill has the same shit same rolls its boring

[inner egret]

Most of yall don’t even know what you’re talking about or what’s going on

[cold tide]

Bought gear I keep seeing people send links to sites in the trading post

[junior wyvern]

Im convinced they dont have arena open at all times because otherwise no one would go into dungeons lol

[inner egret]

They definitely wouldn’t rn with the state of queues

[celest viper]

Do you guys have any tips on how a f2p can earn money?

[marble chasm]

@twin juniper That's fair, but poor more casual player this change is good, since it makes them have more of a chance to get gear to compete in a geared lobby. Otherwise it makes getting bis (or almost bis) cost way too much for a casual to ever be able to afford

[outer ledge]

I wonder if maybe they have to pay for extra servers for the arena games and they can't afford it full time?

[lone heron]

Run squire loot hard rat hard run hard survive. sell it all

[junior wyvern]

They can barely afford servers for the dungeons, they`ve always been dogwater

[celest viper]

What's hard rat?

[twin juniper]

it was like that since the begining of the game? and where we are now :D?

[outer ledge]

Play adventure mode and loot lots of treasure.

[lone heron]

Hey are scrolls good for anything I've been keeping them bc htey seem unique but should I just. sell them

[marble chasm]

@outer ledge I think it's a mix of dead lobbies (too many queues) and burning out the player base (too much arena made me burn out of pvp, which made dungeons less exicting personnaly)

[outer ledge]

They mean avoid PVP.

[marble chasm]

@lone heron just seel them to merchant as far as i know

[lone heron]

loot hard, rat hard, run hard. Rat meaning hiding and lurking and not taking fights head-on. If someone's got something you want, you stalk them until the time is right. Take potions off your belt and use shadows to your advantage if you want someone to pass you by, it's not just rogue that can hide.

[inner egret]

Nope they are not even good loot either bad value per slot

[fringe cliff]

Theyre going to lose that to someone who plays more regardless, Im sorry but thats just how these types of games go. Most of the casual players dont even run good kits/ never have. 90% of the players in HR dont run anything. A big change would be to nerf modifiers, nerf loot and socketing to fix gear disparity and stat checking for free.

[cold tide]

Run rogue with creep, poison, ambush, stealth, hide and weakpoint the just sit and wait

[outer ledge]

You need one ancient scroll of any rarity for a collector quest and then 5 unique ones for cockatrice.

[oblique snow]

wait solo still here

[twin juniper]

bro this game is same as rust but sadly rust aint dying cuz of stupid devs

[junior wyvern]

Want in on a little secret? they will get destroyed anyway and find another excuse to cry about

[celest viper]

Are there spots that I can rush to get and try loot? Also so far I've mainly only play the PvE mode I have not touched pvp before, and im a ranger... Ideally I dun Wana delete my character

[shut mural]

Y’all remember that time SDF forced us into rare and up lobbies and then after we all kitted up for rare lobbies SDF took them away and now all our kits are vendor trash?

[inner egret]

Cockatrice isnt worth even doing

[lone heron]

that's what i hear, it's only eaten valuables so far and I don't even know what it does

[oblique snow]

we good istopped playing the game cause everyone said they got rid of solos and i didnt read patch

[cold tide]

Go ice cavern and go to the middle for the pile in adventurer the loot isn’t amazing but better then most in adventurer

[dense pawn]

Grindiest quest to date, reward is very underwhelming... I just got my first legendary gem from it and it was an emerald of course xD

[marble chasm]

@fringe cliff @junior wyvern True, timmyes will lose, but in terms of game design, they have less of a reason to complain about "never being able to compete with swets due to lack of play time", since after 2 hours, you can easily a bis blue kit via the socketing system that lets you get any roll you want

[lone heron]

I am damn bad at these bosses

[outer ledge]

Yeah, you should look for high rarity chests. There's also spots that have crouching skeletons on maps you break and they usually have good loot.

[dense pawn]

I'm glad Graysun said he wasn't responsible for cockatrice quest or I would have lost faith in him as well xD

[celest viper]

The pyramid? Also I'm very new like 2 day old new so yeah...

[fringe cliff]

They will always complain regardless lmao its been that way for every extraction game.

[outer ledge]

Pyramid is close, but pile is dead center of that map. Has a yeti so watch out.

[frail jay]

probably no one is good with these type of bosses at the start, dont worry. They are like souls bosses, u learn by dying a lot

[outer ledge]

If they made the feather and egg handled turn ins I would be fine with it. But no, have to grind them out myself...

[cold tide]

Bad time to start the game but I honestly would just focus on learning the basics before trying to get good loot it will make it easier in the long run but you can probably find a vid on youtube on how to clear the pile room for ice cavern because there is a yeti and giant shielder in there which aren’t to difficult to beat

[celest viper]

Pile center...? So just go to the center of the map and it usually shld be fine? (Even in PvE mode?)

[fringe cliff]

homie watch a video and just send it normals, Theyre pretty easy after you kill it a few times. It will take some time but you got it.

[marble chasm]

@fringe cliff I suppose that's true. Then the question is more: a) is more healthy for a game to appeal to making gear more accessible for casuals or b) making it harder to access to due high level players finiding it boring to always encounter the same kit/builds in the dungeons? I'm leaning towards a)

[celest viper]

Why would u say it's a bad time to start the game?

[outer ledge]

Yes, the middle most part of the ice map has a gold pile that you slowly pull loot out of. You should be cautious of the yeti there and look up how to kill it or have someone else pull it.

[cold tide]

In pve you will probably have other players there who can help clear it but yeti and shielder you basically just keep circling him to the right (most mobs can be beat this way lol)

[formal tide]

Who’s quitting the game and if so let me hold your gold

[twin juniper]

bro back in the days i would q up hr with my friend and run into naarik lindstorm and u say its unlucky u just move on keep the grind

[lone heron]

I really do feel like I'm playing elden ring for the first time again. I see all their attacks and think I've got it and then my attempt ends before I even see a pase change

[cold tide]

The devs have been making bad changes

[outer ledge]

If you're just playing PVE, then don't worry about what they're saying. It really only affects PVP players.

[lone heron]

spectral just one shot decapitated me, like I was saying

[marble chasm]

@celest viper @cold tide I'd argue it's a good time to start playing. If you haven't experienced solo/duos and you started playing during the trio-only era, you are probably a happier player then the old-school player base

[celest viper]

Are players gonna bomb rush mid and by the time I get there, the loot is all gone?

[cold tide]

50/50

[outer ledge]

Pile is relatively slow to loot and you can't carry everything you get so you'll end up with something.

[frozen sleet]

When’s patch?

[celest viper]

I hav a simple goal... I Wana get a green bow becus all I got is a white one

[outer ledge]

Bring a Lute (from squire) or Pickaxe (from woodsman merchant) to speed up looting (hold them while looting).

[fringe cliff]

Its healthy because if theyre making it so HR is the only way to run gear you wont get gear gapped as easily. Theyve been catering to the casuals for the past year and a half and the player base has gone steadily down (ofc the multiclassing fiasco happened as well) but genuinely people want a hardcore game and as it stands now this game is fairly easy lmao. Comparatively to PT3/4 this game is piss easy. Tarkov keeps its players by having friction in the game and it being hardcore. People that play this game want goblin merchant to save their gear when they die to HR mobs instead of learning.

[cold tide]

If new players start with friends maybe but most people don’t like playing with new players so it makes it harder for them to learn outside of pve mode

[lone heron]

I don't like that the races have male and female versions you buy separately, they should conform to the character you attach them to

[outer ledge]

You'll definitely find that or even better if you loot the pile.

[celest viper]

Well in my case my friend invited me to this game but.... He doesn't play with me heh so I'm kinda getting my ass handed to me by the goblin mages they deal so much dmg...

[lone heron]

everyone worships the pile i've only looted one and it gave me a pavise are they rly that crazy they take so long

[outer ledge]

Yeah, piles are some of the best loot. Marvelous chests and bosses are probably the only better source.

[cold tide]

Yeah the best bet is youtube and then going into pve and just learn it’s like souls you can only learn by constantly retrying

[lone heron]

what classes are a no-go for solo bosses

[median anvil]

They need to revert pre patch 69. Game is boring now. Loot everywhere. Take loot to HR. Repeat. No difference really to me between norms and HR now cause it's so easy to get loot to go in with. And questing is so easy going into a dungeon isn't an adventure anymore, plus no map rotation and the quests are really only for ruins so no one plays anything else.

[fringe cliff]

Its pretty mids in PvE and normals but can be a good startup for some gold if youre new. Id suggest getting a hang of the mobs and looting every chest you see then sell everything including your kit.

[celest viper]

So the best map to farm is not goblin but ice caves?

[cold tide]

Wiz

[outer ledge]

You can get good loot there, but goblin tends to have more lower rarity loot since it is a one stage dungeon.

[lone heron]

I got that, mm seems to be its best move and you CANNOT stand still with these guys

Bard got any potential? I've struggled to get in close with banshee, so that might be a problem, but the buffs could be a lifesaver.

[celest viper]

What about the castle one? Does it mean that's the best place for loot?

[fringe cliff]

No if i were new id stay to crypts and just learn mobs there and just send it to the lower floors for better lot (red staircase)

[junior wyvern]

People are going to complain regardless if they have actual merit on their complaint. Timmies die and immediately cry about class X or Y being overpowered and need nerfs. (meanwhile having less than 3 hours of experience to actually know what is or isnt strong)

its the timmy way, they dont put effort to get better at a game, they cry for the game to bend and twist to accomodate them.

[agile timber]

very uninclusive of you 😄 joking

[outer ledge]

You can get good loot there if you go down floors. But the monsters tend to get harder. Use the expressman to carry more loot out between floors.

[fringe cliff]

Very trueee, getting gear and gold has never been easier lol.

[celest viper]

Also regarding lute what do I swap out?

Right now I'm using a

3: red potion 3 bandages 1 torch
4: blue potion 3 bandages 1 campfire

[cold tide]

I haven’t fully learned banshee and I’m not a bard main but he is really good once you get him down but for ruin bosses on all levels long sword fighter is good because you can parry (atleast that’s what I do)

[outer ledge]

I'd drop the blue pot. It's only really good at preventing headshots in PVP.

[lament iron]

Do not remove solos.

[lone heron]

So I found that all of sk's attacks go through parries. I'll get the clang, I'll be aiming at the attack, and i'll still take damage. And banshee really has no melee so.

[celest viper]

Btw r u able to advise me on ranger stuff as well?

The ranger channel does not seem to be that helpful

[outer ledge]

I've played ranger before, but I'm sure there are other more experienced people in here.

[sinful harbor]

where can i suggest some feature for UI?
(little colored triangle to show rarity. so to not have to hover with mouse.)
(little icons to show which stats are boosted)

[cold tide]

I’ve only done banshee once on rogue but blocking/parrying is bugged and needs to be fixed because many attacks can go straight through but that’s something they’ve said would be fixed since the first wipe

[agile timber]

Devs hear this guy as the UI dev

[lone heron]

I mean it might be intentional the spectral knight is...spectral. maybe his sword is like. a ghost sword.

[celest viper]

Like I've been relying on yt videos to try figure out what ranger is all about but most of them require me to get like really good gear? And little explanation on the progression side so... I'm kinda stuck in between "do I just farm gd get good gear" vs "do I just do a squire only build and that's it, that's the end game"

[junior wyvern]

2 things that this game will die before they fix... Servers, and Colission.... Fundamental aspects of the game that have ALWAYS been pisspoor quality

[inner egret]

Right now that is the game

[cold tide]

Longsword works on him you just need to do the right angles you can go on youtube for tutorials for it

[fringe cliff]

Nah parrying is for sure not perfect and blocking is worse but you can still get hit by attacks even if you parry if the weapon goes beyond your sword and hits your arm or shoulder + it can just hit your arm hitbox randomly when parrying.

[junior wyvern]

you will get good practicing with squire gear, once you feel like you can perform well even with no items, thats when you improve

[lone heron]

wait I didn't know there was a difference am I cooked

[cold tide]

Lmao so true we’ll get the pregnant goblin before they fix it

[glossy wadi]

I hope sdf’s pillow is hot as fuck at night

[fringe cliff]

Nah parrying is blocking essentially for LS but the way youre looking/facing matters a lot so you dont get hit if you do parry.

[void glacier]

certified bruh moment xDDD gangster gamer squad

[agile timber]

and moist humid even

[glossy wadi]

type shih

[narrow carbon]

https://youtu.be/IV-G0_qmvVE SirRodion teaming like this is crazy

[cold tide]

What did I just watch😭

[lament kite]

Why is 1v3 so common
i saw a 2 spell skill druid get chased to death and just got murdered by three fighters

[narrow carbon]

wym lmao

[agile timber]

SDF's dream pfft that shits cringe

[cold tide]

People casually teaming I’ve only ran into it once

[narrow carbon]

Unreal aint it, like we just letting this slide??

[lament kite]

Why is the lead developer doing game design
Weird company are there no game designers in korea

[cold tide]

Need to start making an anti teaming unit of just six people teaming on the 2-3 that team

[lament kite]

i just got 1v3 again

[clever wolf]

Google srslysoapy and watch his YT vid on Ranger. Extremely helpful. But in general Ranger is tough at first solos as you do fuck all damage until you learn to hit heads and unlock perk slots. My best advice early doors is to practice with all bows. It's tempting to only go long for the damage/pen but the others are very viable.

[silver smelt]

Now they have time to fix these things

[subtle heart]

To solve the issue about gear and ghost towns: @glad thunder

1. Add back gear score limit, no more super geared people, no more squire people in hr. Keep 0-25, 0-124 or idk increase it to 192 then HR.,
2. Bring back the gathering lobby (or have a player count) so we can have a number of players before the game even starts.,
3. Remove the gem socketing and add something where u can roll the bonusses that u have (kind of how scrolls work in metin2) so this way the loot u get in drops actually have value and at the same time if u have a piece u want u can roll it till u get something decent.

[cosmic nimbus]

MAKE BARD GREAT AGAGAIN PLS

[silver smelt]

50% of playerbase plays 0-25
Whats the point of 124?

[subtle heart]

for the other 30%, and 20% for hr

[silver smelt]

Who would even care about player count. People like to be alone into a dungeon especially HR so they can easily make money.

[subtle heart]

i go into dungeons for fights xd, cba about money if u cannot defend it to get out

[silver smelt]

I guessing 9% plays 0-124
How do you solve empty lobby issue?

You also have to pay lots of money for empty server

[subtle heart]

u know most servers are pay as u use no?

[valid kettle]

Is it true that SDF plays druid?

[subtle heart]

ye, the only reason druids are not getting deleted

[pallid ledge]

no wonder why this game dying

[long iron]

Druid Main tbh

[silver smelt]

So why devs added CMM

[valid kettle]

no wonder the stupid mouse can still jump through the peep holes in doors lololol

[frail jay]

not only that but rank 1 druid at one point:D

[subtle heart]

cmm?

[silver smelt]

Continues MatchMaking

[subtle heart]

ok? now corelate

[tidal sable]

If they added more content I could give a fuck less about the game queue balances

[clever wolf]

We'll all be the skeletons populating the dungeons by the time anything new is added 😂

[muted verge]

Omg I can't way to see the streamers que into trios!!!!! Finially sdf is cooking here.

[fallen hill]

@glad thunder please i want to know whats going on inside your head

[still wolf]

yea he seems like a druid player... just a sad little boy

[viral vapor]

Blue lobbies + Goblin item retrieval was peak D&D.. anyone else agree?

[azure vapor]

yep

[lone heron]

what's y'alls preferred rest animation

[lone heron]

#sdfs-kitchen

[azure vapor]

@glad thunder when can we play again with things we extract??

[tribal zodiac]

They should close low populated servers tho (i mean real low).

[muted verge]

Pure galaxy gas!!! But he's right on this choice. If you're not going to balance the game for solos then you should drop it and actually balance the game correctly. Without fear you're going to break a class in solos. Just keep in mind most the player base plays solos. So the chances are your lobbies will prob only have 1 or two trio teams on average. We shall see how it plays out lol. By that I mean I will be watching not playing this trash game.

[weary herald]

does shield count as a weapon for quest

[novel condor]

500players left in the game btw "the vision", why play solo, go make some new friends on discord. man i am working and i have maybe 2 hours to play, why would i wanna waste 30 mins on discord trying to find people with different gamestyle, die, lose my gear and not even be able to grind solo as those morns deleted solo lobbies?

[hushed hazel]

Normal mode is now limited to Common items - wtf is this shit

[woeful zealot]

no game has ever been balanced, idk why thats such a big deal

[tribal zodiac]

Other games has stat capped classes. This doesnt. So thats main balance problem here

[viral vapor]

The problem with high roller, is the mobs are just cancer to deal with while trying to pvp. IMO mobs should be easier in highroller for the pvp mode so you can focus on players and add all the OP hard PVE mobs to the pve only queue..

(Also reason the game is so hard to balance is movement speed, just simplify that shit and keep it consistent per class)

[silver smelt]

Continues dungeon system😎

[fringe cliff]

LMAOOOO, no way youre complaining about HR mobs in a hardcore game.

[subtle heart]

i m looking at the player list and the game has been halved since all these stupid changes XD

[warped echo]

Another day, another no play D&D , Day 5 and still no DUO/SOLO. GREAT JOB IM

[mellow charm]

Lmao it’s the causal takes like this that is why IRON MACE LISTENING to y’all is awful.

[woeful zealot]

Yeah they should really add a guy that lets you rebuy your gear back if you die in HR. I think it should be called a goblin merchant.

[lone heron]

yk what...remove marketplace

[muted verge]

Just curous since we know there's a lost of solo players it's actually the majority. AFter this change how many trios do you even think will be in your lobby for vs solos or even duos?

[viral vapor]

I play the game to have fun pvp fights, not to cheese a NPC mob standing on a block shooting down at it

[limber badge]

#dnd-memes-only message

[woeful zealot]

A goblin merchant will let you get your kit back so you dont have to spend forever rebuying it, and then if someone loots your gear you wont get it back. Do you guys like my idea?

[lone heron]

cancer take hard pve defines the mode almost as much as superior gear options

[viral vapor]

it's not hardcore, tbh, the mechanics are bad. There are better PVE games, darksouls etc. standing on a platform and cheesing bad ai isn't fun, the pvp is fun

[low helm]

time to learn team play or move on lmao

[fringe cliff]

People really want this game to just be the most free shit lol at this point they should give yall BiS kits for free when you enter HR bc you cant deal with mobs 😂

[lone heron]

then don't cheese them. Just fucking hit them. In the head. It always works. Universally. I think u just can't learn them.

[tribal zodiac]

With Better gear mobs get same like at normals. They just dont have combos

[warped echo]

wow this guy still here trollin

[viral vapor]

the problem isn't the AI, it's the balance of PVE and PVP, which is what I was talking about

[lone heron]

literally wtf are these people on about "see it'd actually be more hardcore if it was easier and everything was free"

[outer ledge]

Learning the AI and boss mechanics for the first time is fun too.

[woeful zealot]

will probably play to grief only in the future

[wind ibex]

does goblin merchant let you buy kit back in HR?

[azure topaz]

so if i want to wear gear at all i have to do hr?

[woeful zealot]

No it used to, hince the meme

[muted verge]

Nah see I think you guys are crying over nothing. I bet there maybe 2 trio teams in every lobby on average. You have to remember we have continuous dungeons and the majority of players run it solo. I bet there's going to be more rogues and druids than ever before though lmao

[low helm]

yea that sounds about up to par with this community. hopefully its mostly the solo's who are toxic and they get a move on next wipe

[outer ledge]

According to SDF, that is the case for the rest of this season. Well, for PVP. You can still do PVE in gear.

[bright yacht]

Yeah I asked mod, what can I do with the gear I get from quests and exactions you have to pay for legendary

[wind ibex]

yeah i was wondering my loot wasnt popping up in there lmao

[fringe cliff]

I mean to be fair to them this is the majority of the playerbase now since all theyve been doing is cater to the casual players by making everything easier. Now they get pushed into HR and cry bc mob too hard 💀 Idk maybe learn patterns and take better fights.

[woeful zealot]

yeah I never got to enjoy it much doing bossing and pvp on ice caves, void was a real thing

[lone heron]

I've had more fun in HR fighting mobs than I have in pvp in normals so far, I think they're just disillusioned with it all or something.

[fringe cliff]

No they just want everything handed to them and like to complain when they lose something in a Hardcore extraction game.

[viral vapor]

lol hardcore, the mechanics are terrible what are you on about

bad mechanics = hardcore i guess

[fringe cliff]

The game is a hardcore extraction pvpve, if you cant handle mobs and pvp this sounds like a skill issue im sorry.

[viral vapor]

have you seen people play this game?

[fringe cliff]

No never

[viral vapor]

they stand on top of blocks and hit things in the head while they stand still, that's not hardcore that's bad game design

[outer ledge]

Sounds like a platformer with mushrooms.

[severe bluff]

Blue lobbies + Goblin item retrieval was peak D&D

[fringe cliff]

Sure if you want slower clear you can do that, I know all the patterns for the mobs and can do them faster without sitting on a platform. Theres plenty of guides on YT for patterns and clearing mobs if youre having issues than look them up.

[low helm]

the games main focus is pvp. not pve. who cares about cheese

[outer ledge]

I've repeatedly heard the intent is to get rid of cheese spots for AI.

[limber badge]

they've already tried in the past but the AI is extremely basic, with "walk directly at you" logic

[viral vapor]

just look at what the playerbase is doing, you maybe "uber neckbeard skilled" but everyone else is cheesing every mob, it's not even fun or hardcore. Though when you couple in what they are doing plus PVP engagements, that's where shit needs to be reworked, if they aren't going to redesign their game, at least make the standing on top of blocks cheesing mobs less of a factor and let people fight and get the balance of the pvp right.

[half zenith]

No mobs need to be cheesed you can kill them all normally

[fringe cliff]

Im not some god gamer or the best player in this game at all, I just learned through trial and error. Ive lost plenty of really good kits and it sucked but thats how the game is. Youre not supposed to have the same kit for the entire wipe lmao.

[viral vapor]

how do you guys kill the cockatrice, i stand above it while it stands still. I hit it for about 30 seconds then move on

[half zenith]

Learning how to fight all the mobs normally feels really good once you get it down.

[viral vapor]

"hardcore"

[outer ledge]

Plenty of cheesy ways with magic too. You can also get it stuck on terrain. Or block it.

[fringe cliff]

Theres 3 attacks it does, 1 is a snipping bite which you block, 2 is a dash claw attack which you side step and 3 is a CC scream ability that you just look away.

[half zenith]

The nightmare cockatrice that breathes fire is ironically the easiest. Just circle it it’s free

[limber badge]

Give mobs the ability to jump and 85% of cheese is resolved right there

[fringe cliff]

The abomination cant be cheesed from what ive seen but I dont look for cheese spots lol. Maybe you can if you get it stuck somewhere after it dashes.

[frail jay]

yeah the experience is similar but tbh the bad part about dad bosses is that they are not as polished as ER bosses (havent played since patch 69 but litch/warlord for example were bugged as fck back then, not even goin to talk about wyvern)

[half zenith]

You can cheese it by jumping on the little tentacles next to where the wraith stairs are

[outer ledge]

In that platform room people usually get the abomination to run off into a pit and ignore it.

[fringe cliff]

Oh really? thats a shame lol it seemed like that one was hard to cheese.

[half zenith]

You can also do it up by the chest with a spear

[fringe cliff]

True this is what normally just happens tbh, It doesnt drop anything good anyways.

[half zenith]

He’s definitely the hardest sub boss imo.

[fringe cliff]

Really? I think his patterns are mega easy lol, I personally think beserker is the "hardest" even though theres multiple ways to dodge his attacks.

[outer ledge]

How do you do the wood spike guy in the altar room? Yeah the berserker and centaur suck if you don't have space (or a cheese height position).

[tribal grove]

Beserker is only hard bc his weapon hitbox is super scuffed rn

[half zenith]

Yeah you need a lot of room for berserker sometimes

[fringe cliff]

I dont think its hard tbh , I just think its harder than other sub bosses. You can legit just dodge right the entire time and its free but i choose to do the back and forth crouch method.

[golden oasis]

The nightmare axe man is the hardest mostly cause the duck is inconsistent on whether it works.

[outer ledge]

Yeah, the side swing can clip you. Need a prone position lol.

[half zenith]

Little Rock’s op

Just block his horizontal swing if you can

[outer ledge]

True. Sucks for classes without a shield though.

[fringe cliff]

Nah you just need to duck early enough and make sure you dont duck into his swing lol. I always duck into it when im not expecting him when i can just look left instead of right..

[outer ledge]

Yeah, I mean it can clip you if you find some uneven ground.

[half zenith]

I use ranger and spear to block it all the time

[hasty marlin]

Just played the new patch for first time today, DAMN is it good. New queues feel amazing. I love this game.

[fringe cliff]

Oh for sure the un even ground is just that. For sure shield makes it a cake walk tho.

[outer ledge]

👍 Glad to hear a happy customer.

[hasty marlin]

We need to keep heading in this direction, it will only make the game grow and succeed. ❤️

[lone heron]

so when should u use ur second wind

[heavy venture]

is this reverse psychology 😭

[fringe cliff]

I just want them to nerf loot, nerf socketing and nerf modifiers and then I feel like the game will be in a much better spot.

[outer ledge]

It heals 40% max HP. So when you near that threshold.

[hasty marlin]

😏

[heavy venture]

nerfing socketing and such is just going to increase gear gap, not a good idea

[lone heron]

Actually for real though a little bit it needs refinement for sure but I do think people are too blinded by the unusability for new players and the broken balancing right now to realize the benefits. this wasn't a totally blind and stupid decision, it was just...badly handled

[fringe cliff]

Gear gap is already mega high and 95% of players dont run good gear. The better players will always have better gear than you, If you nerf socketing and modifiers the gear disparity will be lower.

[shell root]

the que times on eu primetime are so bad,, what a brilliant idea to force trios xD

[outer ledge]

I wouldn't bother with all that. That's just flip flopping the numbers again. The game needs new systems and content. Socketing and mass gear availability in fact seems to lower the disparity already compared to gear scarcity and no socketing modifiers.

[rustic laurel]

is there still gob loot recovery because i have piss internet and i often die to mobs because i have a 20 second lag spike

[sacred iron]

we need quill arrow holder & gorilla shapeshift for druid

[golden oasis]

Removing lobbies increases gear disparity quite a bit. Blue and green gear is essentially useless now cause you are just outclassed in high roller.

[outer ledge]

If you're in PVE, yes. Otherwise it won't apply in other current modes.

[rustic laurel]

welp im cooked

[fringe cliff]

Its not though I dont think you understand how this works, do you truly believe more than 10% of the playerbase is socketing lego gear rn? No they dont, so who is? The better players/the players who play more, also it increases it with how modifiers are atm.

[outer ledge]

You can just go on the market and half the stuff is socketed already.

[fringe cliff]

Most players dont even have 5k-10k in their stash

[outer ledge]

Where do you get that stat from?

[hasty marlin]

I'll be honest I love this game but I'm also a 1.5k~ hour player with 95% of that being solos and duos only.. so the choice to remove both of those is keeping me from the game. Every time I've tried to queue into trios as a fill it's terrible. I either get teammates in HR that are all butt-naked, leaving me solo-geared, people yelling slurs over voice, people complaining because they ran 1v3 and we weren't glued to their cheeks.. the list goes on. I think if putting in trios only in the middle of the season with no other systems setup was a terrible mistake. Give us a proper gathering hall if going to force one game mode that forces to interact with randoms, if you don't have a trio, imo.

All my friends have already quit over the last 3-4 months with badly timed updates out of nowhere, so my buddies that I could queue with have long since given up. The only times I've had a good encounter with another player at random is in HR solos where technically it's bannable to not just rush them as soon as you see them

[fringe cliff]

everyone constantly complaining they get gear gapped in their blues

[outer ledge]

You mean this echo chamber of a few dozen discord users?

[fringe cliff]

Echo chamber? I dont even need discord the amount of players i kill that have either no gear or shit blues in HR is 90%

[flat granite]

What if:
-remove HR
-bring back lobbies based on gear level. Adventure mode, common, rare, artifact.
-all PvPvE modes give AP
-PvPvE mob difficulty scales with lobby type (gear rarity limit)

I dont think id care as much if trios only was enforced under these circumstances

[outer ledge]

So you ask all the players you kill how much gold they have?

[sacred iron]

they needa add snake serpent form for shapeshoft druid

[twilit cargo]

bloking a nightmare axe man as a ranger will make you wobble, by time you're able to do anything he already swinging again so gotta block lol. The duck works whenever it feels like it XD

[fringe cliff]

Its truth they dont my guy, If you were to nerf socketing and nerf modifiers the "juicers" cant geat gap you as much since gear is weaker overall lmao..

[light oasis]

Fuck sdf and his vision

[subtle oxide]

I love to enter HR in squire gear ❤️

[static zodiac]

I think it's funny that the problem is "communications tools in game", which won't stop people from doing their own thing, quitting party, team killing, or griefing for randoms lol

[lone fable]

i second that.

[golden oasis]

The last time most of that was in place it was a failure. Their matching system is rough and people can exploit with like 1 high level weapon and white gear

[light oasis]

I can’t switch servers 99% of my lobby are chineese players.

[frail jay]

they are Thanos for a reason, dont mess with skelly axe man

[fringe cliff]

No but if they cant even run purples socketed, Which is very cheap rn then the probability they have not a lot of gold is high lmao

[sacred iron]

they needa add a gear slot for socks

[lone fable]

they need get rid of the marketplace all together straight uo

[outer ledge]

@fringe cliff You're asking for a contradiction. If the gear is more scarce then it compounds the effects of gear power. Only the better or more hours played players can get good gear. You will be gear diffing even more people.

[gusty zenith]

They need to remove all queue's and it becomes a marketplace game . where you sell and buy items on the market

[fringe cliff]

Youre talking to someone who legit runs uniques well rolled and Legos socketing in HR lmao, I know what causes gear disparity bc im the one gapping people lol. If you were to nerf socketing and Modifiers I wouldnt be able to gear gap all these players as hard and it would make me have to think more than just run down teams. Regardless I will always pretty much have the edge since ive been playing for a while but thats how extraction games work.

[sacred iron]

i like the sound of thAT

[low helm]

they need to... keep up the good work. iron mace is cookin

[outer ledge]

I think you'd gear gap them harder. You'll be the only one socketing with better rolled modifiers.

[hearty brook]

honestly, I just prey that the game doesnt dig its own grave after all is said in done, whether SDF ends up cooking with his vision and has 20/20 foresight, or he reverts the change. I really like this game and I desperately want for the game to remain fun and populated. Cheers to that optimism. Lets hope for the best

[fringe cliff]

How? If socketing is nerfed then It would be harder to get better gear if i want to run bis, if modifiers are nerfed then stats go down and I cant just run you down lmao.

Ive already experienced when modifiers were nerfed and it was way more balanced in terms of gear disparity. Im legit saying to nerf myself and youre arguing with that lmao

[golden oasis]

They just really need to focus on a few things
-Balancing
-Class identity
-Fix basics like inventory management, adding quivers or larger arrow stacks
-Update Ai

Those will bring players back more than a religion system or deleting queues. There are glaring issues with certain classes having almost no weakness or having everything from range to damage to mobility to support (looking at you druid).
Ms is a huge problem and has been ever since the flat cap was set to 330. Classes need different mobility. The lower TTK they forced made class disparity worse.

[outer ledge]

So by nerfed you mean make it less accessible. Make gear nerfed more meaning less available. So only the best players would win and take the best gear. They'd be the only ones to afford the best gear and it compounds the gear gap. More people socketing currently means the gear level evens out. If people don't bring in good gear then they are intentionally making the gap themselves, but they still have the options. Maybe a gear floor is needed to incentivize people to bring in gear of a minimum level. You should push for that.

[dusk shale]

Simple: 3 modes

Common gear lobbies up to Epic loot

Rare Lobbies up to Legendary loot

1 HR matchmaking pool- up to artifact gear: artifact loot.

make Hr the HARDCORE dungeon like it’s intended to be. unforgiving and hard.

have normals be a space for learning. it’s still hard and unforgiving regardless.

[unkempt raft]

DONT WORRY GUYS
WE'RE GONNA FORCE TRIOS
WE'RE GONNA NERF THE LOOT
WE'RE GONNA MAKE LESS QUEUES
ALL THE CASUALS ARE GONNA HAVE TO LEARN TO SWIM
OR THEY CAN FUCK OFF
YOU THOUGHT THE SWEATS TIMMY CRUSHING IN NORMAL SQUIRES WAS BAD?
WE'RE RETURNING TO MY ORIGINAL VISION
GL HF SCRUBS

[mental rivet]

^

[unkempt raft]

TURNS OUT IT WAS ALL A PLOY TO ENCOURAGE PLAYERS TO SWIPE MORE

[fringe cliff]

Nerfed meaning remove +all from the pool and MS rolls from items also toning down % numbers, This in turn makes gear disparity lower. Nerfing socketing so you cant freely get BiS if you have gold (remember the majority of players do not even run socketed gear lmao) The better players that play more will always have and advantage and gear gap. If you nerf the numbers the gear gap goes down its simple math. Nerfing loot is so I dont have to see 10+ legos every HR run and gear is actually worth something not just a socketing stat sheet.

[outer ledge]

That is a dream that only exists if they remove the market. You should really look at my idea of a gear minimum to enter HR.

[unkempt raft]

"remember the majority of players do not even run socketed gear lmao"
HARD TO RUN SOCKETED GEAR IN COMMON SQUIRES
MEANWHILE IN HR ITS ALL ANYONE RUNS
PEOPLE STILL BUY GEAR IF THE PRICE REFLECTS THE BASE COST OF LEGENDARY + THE GEM PRICE
BAIT USED TO BE GOOD

[acoustic plover]

im confused why there isnt sub blue lobbies and artifact lobbies arnt epic+

[fringe cliff]

Its not all anyone runs idk if you dont play HR but thats all I play and 90% of players run either squire or unsocketted random shit. Legendaries go for 100g each lmao, that doesnt sound right to me. Also Java theyve tried gear min HR lobbies and theyre dead bc nobody wants to risk gear and its basically just free loot.

[acoustic plover]

you have your under and over and those gaps are both stable to wrk with squire should literally be if you lose all your crap

[hearty brook]

at least we still have Dark and Darker mobile right gentlemen hahaaah

[outer ledge]

Wait, are you asking for patch 69 style gear? Where the gear power is largely flattened and the modifiers barely matter?

[fringe cliff]

NONNO

[unkempt raft]

shit rolled legendaries are 100g, sure, especially off meta pieces
and their prices climb the moment its actually rolled properly and people will buy it - myself included
yea, i play hr - this season its almost all i play unless i want to get into random trios and troll my teammates
and you just repeated what i fuckin said lol
there is no way for anyone to run socketed gear except for hr or arenas
either way, youve been making these complaints for like a week or so now, maybe even more, and youre as disingenuous as the last time i saw it so gg i guess

[fringe cliff]

Off meta pieces brother have you looked at the market? Dark plate legendary with +all roll on it is 100g go look rn. The price climbs pretty shallow tbh for most pieces. Idk man you seem very worked up and i think you need a break im just talking my guy. Also about the socketed gear its available in plenty but the majority of people still dont run it in HR which implies people are scared/broke. idc about normals i dont play that

[outer ledge]

So if it's not that, then gear power levels still have meaning and market value. It will create a gear gap. As in some players will have a gear advantage in some games over players with weaker gear. If everyone has access to good gear at affordable prices then that won't be as big a gap. If you make it pricy and scarce then only the best players can get the best gear. That's a larger gear gap.

[pine roost]

I've never seen copper ore deposits where are they

[torpid wave]

holly fuck man this guys has been here for 5h just spitting fax and throwing crazy rage baits omg

[silver flax]

gob caves has some but you’re probably better farming ruin golem if you want copper for some reason

[unkempt raft]

now you can start to talk about cockatrice merchant - to me, from the surface, it looks like btc farm from tarkov in its own way but meant to surrogate gear/kit creation with gems
it just needs a massive buff

[subtle heart]

steam svs down?

[unkempt raft]

yea, why the fuck would i care about dark plate lol - again, disingenuous conversation
worked up? if you say so - in the meantime, gl with whatever youve got going on

[hallow violet]

2900 Cl*wn reacts : 100 thumbs up and no reversion of normal item change 💀

[torpid wave]

no pregant man reactions tho

[hallow violet]

29:1 is a crazy ratio

[fringe cliff]

The best pieces 99% wont touch and I can promise that lmao, so thats out of the question. Gear rarity will keep its meaning but the modifiers that are on that gear are lowered hence the power of the gear people can run is overall lower so you will get gear gapped less at the higher end. Theres no reason to have +all or MS rolls on everything. Also %MS and %HP rolls go crazy as well. Im not sure how many times i have to reiterate for you to understand what im trynna say lol. everyone has had access the entire time to the best gear and they still dont run it even when its cheap and socketing is available so idk why you keep bringing it up.

[fringe cliff]

It was an example of a piece that is good with a +all for cheap, Theres plenty of other pieces that are meta for cheap as legos. Casters for sure have the hardest time in a market since theres not a huggeee amount of caster gear so they have to pay a lot more but yeah gear is piss cheap and people in HR still dont run it but want to complain about gear gap.

[pine roost]

Copperlight sanctum plate armor.
I see alot of ingots and idk do I have to do quest to progress the vendors item selection

[feral karma]

We didn't go from 36k+ average players to 10k by accident.

[unkempt raft]

you bring up some of the worst shit to buy and complain about the price though
this game is a min maxxers playground and we chase meta for a reason
dparmor is not that

[junior wyvern]

Hell yeah, we want hardcore experience

[outer ledge]

So you're saying people choosing to not run the pretty good (since you say 99% won't touch the best) gear means they shouldn't have the easy access to do so if they want to? That's a disingenuous argument. You run good gear so you can have an equally good advantage. If you choose to handicap yourself then that's not a gear gap. If you talk about the overall power level of gear being too high, that is a separate issue from gear gap. Don't conflate those two. Maybe there is a case for it. That's besides the gear gap issue.

[fringe cliff]

Im not saying dark plate is the most meta piece in the game, Im saying that its a good piece that you can buy for 100g with a +all roll already on it. But people still dont run gear, like I also said theres plenty of meta legos on the market for piss money. Idk if youre turbo broke but yeah, min maxer paradise because modifiers are too high and socketing is too free.

[last stump]

no it was the solos/duos that did it trust

[grand elk]

what map are people running the most juiced in for solos? crypts feels dead

[feral karma]

Solos/duos are the same reason they never balanced anything or added new content. Oh and leaving negative reviews is the reason we don't have new content

[last stump]

yeah its a shame these things physically prevent new stuff from being added :(

[unkempt raft]

i didnt say you said that
i said you brought up the worst shit you could possibly use as an example
use the right pieces and suddenly youre making money
this isnt about what you say it is

[cold steppe]

can please take solos back again, fuck the duos but at least solos

[fringe cliff]

No they wont even touch it because theyre not good enough to either get it themselves or buy it for a fair amount of SK, Its not disingenous. 99% of players havent even owned or ran an aritifact and theyre more available than ever to buy and run. People dont run gear bc theyre scared or broke the higher end players will run gear because theyre not. If you nerf the higher end of gear and rolls then that means that they will gear gap you less. Yess the overall power is high and it is gear gap because back then you could get someone for their juicer gear pretty easy in blues that are well rolled. Now its a lot harder if they dont make a large mistake.

[lone heron]

can you actually parry any of sk's attacks? i had my sword right in the middle of a few of them and fuck all happened.

[dawn condor]

as a solo and duo can i not play casual anymore only HR

[last stump]

yeah if crypts feels dead everywhere will feel dead. Crypts is the most popular by far.

Did like 10 ice caves runs last night and the 6 people i saw were dead players wearing squire gear that died to mobs

[runic parcel]

Not even that in a month.

[snow wharf]

just go to boss room, i got third partied by 2 rogues 1 warlock and a barb

[wanton otter]

2.5k downvotes in #sdfs-kitchen out of 8-11k concurrent......

[dawn condor]

this game just isnt it then time to go back to tarkov

[subtle heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240740423731773510/1347386295135109140/SDF_aura_farming.gif

[ancient iris]

After years of this now I can confirm for you all that SDF is not cooking anything worth serving. #failedchef

[feral karma]

#the-tavern message I found this an amusing read.

[grand elk]

man that sucks. thanks!

[junior wyvern]

Managing this game isnt even hard... Fixing the servers would make the game not look like some cheap garage indie project

[last stump]

i would rather crush my b a l l s than do wyvern as 300ms barb

[snow wharf]

oh sorry didnt saw ice caves, i was in crypts

[last stump]

yeah ice caves is even more dead than it was b4 the queue changes

[wanton otter]

Honestly duos is much more manageable. At least if you're trying to revive your partner you can potentially clutch up the 2v1 but idk abt 1v3 personally if they have any healer whatsoever

If they have blue bandages you're fkt

[junior wyvern]

Here`s to another day HOPING TO GOD a competitor makes a decent version of this game

[dawn condor]

this game went from 7k in game to 5k in game after matchmaking changes #sdf cooking

[main garden]

It’s only going to go lower

[wanton otter]

removes game modes instead of adding content

[snow wharf]

have you seen anyone doing wyvern?

[last stump]

its the trios queue times

[wanton otter]

Sdf decided we were playing his game wrong. Feels league of legends man

[last stump]

yeah in duos i see some peeps doing it maybe once in 5 games. But solos i very rarely see ppl doing it.

Maybe its more popular in trios? idk

I also dont think they ever officially announced its loot table being fixed so its possible ppl dont know its fixed

[wanton otter]

Bruh why do I feel dirty continuingly playing this now?

[feral karma]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2413960/Dark/ a meme honestly, but still amusing

[lofty hemlock]

[junior wyvern]

Goes to show, making something similar isnt that hard... Making Dark and Darker better is so fucking simple.... they just need an executive director

[feral karma]

Stolen Idea, purchased assets, and chatgpt development. 🙂

[outer ledge]

It was disingenuous because you were using gear fear handicapping as a reason to say you need to lower the overall power of gear down and that would somehow affect the gear gap. They're all separate issues. You could address the lower powered players by enforcing a minimum gear power level for high roller. Overall gear power level is something that Ironmace will need to look at, but that has more to do with overall TTK rather than a gear gap. The gear gap is neither of these things. Gear gap is caused by players having an advantage over one another. Socketing evens the gear gap out. Lowering the overall power of all the gear does nothing to gear disparity between players nor does it force players to have less gear fear.

[lofty hemlock]

ironmace needs a marketing budget. @zinc sparrow Spend the money for the exposure and tournaments

[wanton otter]

right- the haunting loss.!

[junior wyvern]

I used to be on their side, but the more the game goes on the more im convinced they actually stole the idea and have zero clue on how to go forward with the project lol

[last stump]

maybe the game will go under and the rights will be sold back to nexon 🙏

[feral karma]

Mhm, incompetence at every turn, they couldn't even code a single new merchant

[pine roost]

What's the barracks tile look lkke

[wanton otter]

Gonna grind demi god against full unique trade chat chuds and drop this season. All my homies refuse to continue to play, crazy that.

[wanton otter]

Long table, blue exit, skele champ

[fringe cliff]

This is not what i was saying but lowkey im trynna chill with my lady so if we dont understand each other thats cool. GL getting gapped by other players in HR

[runic parcel]

Id say thats already mostly neg. 55% neg 45% pos.

[pine roost]

I'm looking at the map. Gate exit or stairs.

[shell flicker]

dumbest fucking devs in the world, they worked on gear/rolls for like 6 patches and then they pull this cancer and gear is totally fucked again.
Too bad there is nothing else that scratches the itch like this game does but defending the turds that run this game got harder and harder

Hopefully Elden Ring Nightreign is any good so I can finally take a break from this toxic ass game, where the devs are the biggest problem

[wanton otter]

Hm.. i wonder what changed that is sparking so many negative reviews......

[lofty hemlock]

squishing 224 and 225+ together. s a d g e

[wanton otter]

I can't convince my friends to duo into HR against uniques. XD

Its like asking them to learn to eat glass

[lofty hemlock]

[outer ledge]

If you weren't saying the gear power level needs to be dropped but not to the point of patch 69, and it would somehow affect the gear gap, then I guess I don't comprehend. Regardless, have a nice day. I won't resort to personal attacks unlike your outro.

[runic parcel]

Danm. Nobody likes logic anymore lol GS

[wanton otter]

Barrier to entry be like, make a full 12k kit and maybe we'll not explode to rogues and barbarians in a run, or sorcs wall cheesing

[lofty hemlock]

get thirded by triple Barb in turbo bis (chinese)

[junior wyvern]

ive gotten to demigod on mostly a white kit

[rustic laurel]

The leadership in this game is actually depressing lol, lookin like people's careers are in shambles

[lofty hemlock]

miserable grind. run from every fight

[wanton otter]

Me too, my friends are not that tough sadly. And stacking uniques are crazy rn

[unkempt raft]

its possible to lose ap this season
9, exactly
if you die and do nothing

[wanton otter]

Gonna make a full escape teleport sorc to grind ruins. Just gonna run on top of walls to demi

[junior wyvern]

So we agree you can actually improve and progress despite not having gear!

[wanton otter]

Not rly raising casuals to 12k kit uniques is untenable. And asking them to run whites into hr is misery

[lofty hemlock]

literally no. Z2H loses to BiS every single time

game needs to be SSF

[wanton otter]

Yeah a shame its a shopping mall sim

[lofty hemlock]

market manipulation rich get richer whale economy

[charred pollen]

Cant you play solo exept for HR?

[wanton otter]

Tradechat is the most op thing in the game.

[shell flicker]

thanks for the tip, looks alright but meh, another shooter.
think what makes this game so good for me was it not being a shooter, but ah well. like you said with the DAD devs it doesnt matter, they turned it into shit anyways

[junior wyvern]

Gotta play better mate, if ur running at full kitted players ur gonna have a bad time... My point is that you are easily able to gain currency playing the game right

And if ur looking for a fair fight, then perhaps an extraction looter might not be the game for you. Because the core gameplay loop is about you getting items that differentiate you from others. Its asymetrical at its core

[lofty hemlock]

pLaY bEtTeR

[last stump]

game can only be ssf if getting full, viable, kits isnt such a grind. SSF is good for streamers and people with no life.

I dont want to spend an entire play session getting a couple kits then lose them to some landmine rogue

[outer ledge]

Isn't the Arc Raiders game publisher Nexon? How do you all feel about that?

[junior wyvern]

"let me whine about loot disparity in an extraction looter" lol

[lofty hemlock]

224 was fair fights at a good price point

225+ is for no lifers and rats

[thorny kettle]

hey guys, im running a action speed/dexterity demon's glee build in pve right now. is the visored barbuta niche ?

[wanton otter]

Gems exist.

And if you do die it's a fair loss

[thorny kettle]

like is there a better helmet to keep my speed and health

[dusk shale]

blue lobbies was the most balanced the game has ever felt for everyone, change my mind

[lofty hemlock]

based

[low helm]

true for trios, not for the rest

[lofty hemlock]

anyone arguing for squished HR lobbies or squished norms is an Ironmace scab

[dusk shale]

duos felt great idk what u mean

[low helm]

if ur talking balance its trios

[wanton otter]

2.5k downvotes in #sdfs-kitchen and only 8k in game rn...

[junior wyvern]

I feel like they should have won the lawsuit, considering how ironmace handled DaD

[dusk shale]

removed a bunch of match making pools and yet i’m in a 8 minute que for Hr. GO SDF YAYYYYYY

[outer ledge]

Who should have won? Didn't Nexon get the ruling in their favor? They got paid in the end?

[dusk shale]

2.5k downvotes in #sdfs-kitchen and only 8k in game rn...

[junior wyvern]

Did they? i thought that since DaD got published on steam it meant that it went in favor of Ironmace... Im not entirely in on the details

[lofty hemlock]

[last stump]

gems i cant buy and have to spend time getting. Spend time getting the gear, getting the gems, etc etc.

I dont mind dying and losing kits rn because i can just buy more in a couple mins.

A few minute and some gold setback is way less painful then several hours

[honest snow]

Ya if Nexon committed to finishing the game it would be better than this, at least in the state its in right now

[wanton otter]

Enjoy your shopping mall.

[last stump]

will do, market is fun

[outer ledge]

The latest ruling had the South Korean court ruling that SDF used expertise he learned at Nexon to create the game and therefore owed Nexon a bunch of money. The portion where the DaD assets were claimed to be from Nexon got thrown out.

[feral karma]

Yeah, Hunger is closer to DnD but has guns as well, and IM is adding a gun to dnd next season anyway.

[dusk shale]

IF U THINK PATCH WAS AHHH— DOWNVOTE https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713

[feral karma]

I changed my steam review to negative.

[dusk shale]

don’t blame you. at this point the “vision” is going to drive every last player away.

[wanton otter]

Imo weapons and armor shouldn't be marketable

[shell flicker]

lol really? did they say that in some random twitch chat again or where did you get that?

[desert orchid]

We need rare lobbies back for bis pvp where everyone is on equal ground in blue bis

[fast crescent]

Work full time play a couple hours a night and only play high roller

[feral karma]

https://www.twitch.tv/ironmace__/clip/RudePatientWhaleFUNgineer-fhWF2wP8AQGWlZ_J it's an 11th Century Firearm.

[outer ledge]

I heard something about an arquebus as well. Edit: It was a comment on reddit that was speculation: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1j1crls/guns_and_spells_additions_not_the_wiki/

[subtle heart]

fr

[elder bolt]

Checking discord everyday for this revert

[desert orchid]

does it count if i check every day but im also on every day?

[subtle heart]

just like me

[honest snow]

I love reading all these trio mains shit talk solo and duo players. While they're to afraid to play these brackets because they rely on being carried

Makes sense why SDF in a trio fanboy

[hollow depot]

how do i change the max gear req for dungeons, its been common for 3 days for me and my stashes are full

[subtle heart]

you cant change it, unless you do HR

[outer ledge]

Unfortunately SDF said it will be that way for the rest of the wipe.

[hollow depot]

damn alright, kinda lame

[low helm]

solos has been 99% rogues for over a year now. it had to go brother. sorry

[copper chasm]

Quick question, if you dont interfere with other peoples fights and avoid fighting (is it okay to loot pile or stuff like that with other people that are like that?) or is that teaming in hr ?

[feral karma]

It's crazy to see all the cool shit the renamed mobile version has that we should have but never will. 🥹 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLMONdkoZHQ

[shell flicker]

thanks, and good. hopefully they push more and more of that dumb shit so I can actually stop playing this game

[subtle heart]

solo is so much fun, i dont even play rogue. its just nice to play when my friends aren't on

[low helm]

not for the devs

[shell flicker]

what the fuck are you talking about?
last wipe solos was fine, a little bit of everything, and still is just everying is cancer now with the rolls we got this wipe

[lofty hemlock]

Want a cookie? Who cares

[icy solar]

This is normal, only for killing, say, 2 vs 1, transmitting information, etc. Sometimes I dont kill dummies, i just scare them

[subtle heart]

doesn't even really matter no one is ever gonna be completely happy no matter what changes they make

[copper chasm]

appriciate it, just checking if that considered teaming or just 2v1

[low helm]

tell that to the devs. let them know you think its possible to balance classes around team comps and solos

[warm locust]

apart from rogue, what classes were a problem in solos?

[hardy stump]

true. but they can have 20k happy players or 2k happy players based on who they want to appease

[subtle heart]

true

[shell flicker]

LIKE THEY LISTEN, SDF IS LITTERLY A MONKEY COOKING SHIT IN HIS KITCHEN

[low helm]

thats one talented monkey when it comes to coding

[copper chasm]

barbs

[hardy stump]

Stardew Valley was a passion project made by a guy who wanted to play a game like that, but market didn't offered him anything, so he made one, but he also didin't flip flopped on the core features depending on the mood of the day

[shell flicker]

They had a gem and instead of making it better they turned it into crap, This game has so much potential but I guess they dont like money or they got enough already and just wanna let this shit die

[feral karma]

They lost 100% of all profits in the lawsuit with nexon. Their private backers must be dumping money into them to keep them alive.

[clever wolf]

Is anyone else having issues with team mates getting kicked from server? Or has SDF made this solos only now?

[icy solar]

Sdf just had a concept like apex with extraction in rpg style. And he's been trying to do it all these years. He doesn't give a shit about the community, he came up with the perfect concept in his head and will continue to do it.

[shell flicker]

Think hella people bought the gold skin/shards too

[low helm]

youre blind if u cant see whats happening here. they fought last year trying to balance team comps for 6 diff queues and balancing solo classes for 3 different queues. now they dropped the queues and theyre game will be easier to develope

[hardy stump]

trios will never work in a game like this, where team can just go in random directions due to different objectives and there is endless ways to grief people, behavior enforcement and penalties for breaking it would need to be their top 3 priority and even then, how do you tell a difference betweeen accidents and deliberate hostile actions against your own team?

[feral karma]

Yeah, I am curious to see where the new lawsuit goes, and how their fight against the previous choice goes.

[shell flicker]

I hope it man, this game is the best game I played in years but they just have no clue what they doing anymore...
they "balanced" gear since patch #69 and turned it into shit to do it all over again this wipe

[feral karma]

They can't even ban actual cheaters with video proof, or people violating HR Teaming Rules. Shit will be giga cancer, random queue will not work at all, it already doesn't.

[icy solar]

It's true, maybe it's a bubble effect, but roughly 10 of my friends play solo or duo more often than trios. Everyone loves arena. You can just go and chill with friends.

[hardy stump]

I know, I recorded a team killer and sent it directly to them for review and they didn't banned the guy

[feral karma]

Team killing isn't bannable, use the ingame karma system. That's how they expect it to be handled.

[shell flicker]

his only concept at this point is the class he mains and keeping that on top

[low helm]

well sdf and the devs stated they putting their foot down and will suspend appealing to certain audiences, hence removing solos. theyre back to making the game they want not what the community wants. the game they wanted is what started this all

[stuck briar]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKITTKXpExX/?img_index=1&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== some of yall need this

[hardy stump]

except that system does absolutely nothing, especially since 90% of the time they don't even appear on recently played with list

[feral karma]

Oh of course it does nothing, it's beyond useless. People that actually want to grief just hit you until you are low enough to die from something else.

[shell flicker]

well if they like everyone being 330MS with weapons out and zero kite/movement plays I guess this game aint for me after all

[low helm]

its a new age. time will tell

[keen pecan]

anyone tryna run some new and "improved" update?

[fossil crescent]

Please. Please devs, make a common only hr que. It can be trios. But i need to be able to compete with people in hr. Anyone else want a squire gear only hr trios que?

[sand cape]

i got sandwiched between 2 3man streamer teams. They worked together, clapped me, then proceeded to boss together. Went to the stream and saw them discussing how theyll divide the loot...I feel this hardcore lol

[wraith wigeon]

wait the rare lobbies are gone!?

[shell flicker]

Elden ring nightreign till they get a grip again 👌🏽

[hardy stump]

tbh with solos gone, ms meta isn't really all that scary, its advantage to be faster, but its not automatic win anymore

[honest snow]

That's a poor excuse for removing solos. If its a problem either learn how to counter play like everyone else

[low helm]

trios requires team play to win

[feral karma]

Mhm, I've encountered around 30 instances of teaming in HR this season from fighting together, or sharing piles and filed reports ingame and on discord submitted video evidence of it including names and all that and nothing came from it.

[honest snow]

There is no better mode than solos, best way to learn the game

[stuck briar]

@low helm We dont want to play with you yapping losers this is why we play solos, im not trying to hold your hand in a dark dungeon

[low helm]

they removed solos and other queues to make development easier and efficient.

[feral karma]

Please don't believe that shit man, it's untrue.

[fossil crescent]

Im begging for a squire gear limited hr que

[sand cape]

There needs to be a better system in place, because this just feels like a failed honor system. they gonna TRUST people to not team? seriously bad judgement call.

[low helm]

time to move on then isnt it

[stuck briar]

If they remove solos the game will die, no one wants to play with you nerds we like solos we like winning ALONE not sharing my damn hard effort

[low helm]

why do you think they removed solos then?

[feral karma]

Mhm, this new enforcement system is still very new and it might work I have no clue, I've uninstalled and left the game until they figure out if they are actually removing solo and duos

[light oasis]

So battle bit did that, and went from 80k to 400 players pretty near design idea.

[last stump]

something something sdf bowl cut

[sand cape]

I.....found love in GZW lol. Its been pulling me more than DaD lately

[low helm]

maybe see you next wipe maybe not. but i know ill see many others

[feral karma]

The same reason they removed expressman, evil eye, modules, 80x Market slots (resold us 10x), and 8x Stash tabs, and ruined repeat questing after they fine tuned the affinity so people didn't need to quest on multiple characters.

[low helm]

lol

[stuck briar]

No you wont, and the game will die like it should if they remove solos, sdf loses everything, players, lawsuites, sleepr

[wanton otter]

2.6k downvotes in #sdfs-kitchen out of 8k-10k players left.

[low helm]

no i dont think it will

[feral karma]

You should see the features Abyss of Dungeons the DnD mobile version has. It would blow you away.

[shell flicker]

thanks for the reminder, I forgot to c l o w n emoji the last one!

[sand cape]

isnt mobile getting shut down?

[low helm]

im not following u here lmao. what does this have to do with removing solos?

[feral karma]

Nope, it rebranded as Abyss of Dungeons, it has social spaces, guilds, more spells, and tons of shit we should have.

[shell flicker]

Evil Eye will be next wipes buyable DLC

[wanton otter]

bold move to just chop 25% of the players off with an axe.

for um.. uh.. hm..

[sand cape]

Oh thats what it was lol I read somewhere it was changing companies and rebranding, but thought I read that it was shutting down to restructure

[summer shoal]

Because they didn't want to do business with ironmace

[feral karma]

The answer is there isn't a reason, they are just doing shit, they have no roadmap or plan, they are winging it. Solos and Duos isn't the reason they haven't balanced the game. It's also not to blame for them adding a gun to dnd next season, or a water map.

[shell flicker]

So all the things we got promised like a year or more ago, please dont tell me they actually have quivers...

[last stump]

no solos and duos im sure. Thats the only way those things can be added

[wanton otter]

nexon threatening to not do business with ppl who do business with Dark essentially.

[feral karma]

it has all the game modes and more content. How crazy.

[sand cape]

"quiver" you mean 1 row of your inventory dedicated to just arrows lol

[jaunty ruin]

Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin

[wanton otter]

You mean a 3x6

[low helm]

quit cl ownin around lol

[sand cape]

might as well just store them in my back...with all the knives lol

[last stump]

what!!!! no way!

[feral karma]

it's not funny honestly what they are doing, look at how shit this game is compared to the mobile version.

[wanton otter]

rangers gotta choose AP or their class identity.

[shell flicker]

"Developer Comments:
We are extremely sorry for the extended downtime and interruption of service over the last week. The inventory refactoring was one of the biggest technical challenges we have faced thus far. It was an overly ambitious project, trying to clean up years of complex functionality in a single swoop, and caused many unforeseen issues. However, we are finally starting to see the light at the end of this tunnel.
We foresee these troubles paying off for the future with more solid features like the quiver and backpack systems down the road."

Hotfix #49 btw
If they dont wanna/cant do it, dont say it then

[low helm]

never touched mobile never will. i enjoy this game and this version lol

[jaunty ruin]

Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin Stop SDF, bring back Odin

[wanton otter]

thinking abt this makes me actively lose IQ.

[feral karma]

Yeah for sure mobile games are usually shit to play, but the mobile version has far more QoL than this game does, and it has solos and duos. If those game modes are to blame for everything how did they get there in less time?

[honest snow]

Love that the game direction is coming from a guy who relies on being carried in trios & plays druid, the best class for ratting away and running.

[feral karma]

But either way I am playing other shit now, odds are they will repeal this based on the feedback in discord and the review bombing on steam, and if not oh well I will move on and play other shit.

[low helm]

idk if u read what sdf said but they have been fighting balance for a long time. now that balance load just got shorten we up from here

[feral karma]

They've been moving sliders up and down on repeat. Changing values doesn't take a lot of time man.

[shell tide]

me and my friends thought about playing again but a lot of steam reviews said they removed unranked duos/trios(?) Is that still in the game?

[low helm]

it got even worse for them. do you know why? becuase they had too many diff game queues. well they dropped a lot of queues so im hopeful

[last stump]

yeah this is the case, you and your friends should leave an accurate review based on how that makes you feel about the current state and direction of the game

[feral karma]

They are scape goating game modes to blame for their shit development path. It was even said that leaving negative reviews stalls out game content, that's a load of trash. They didn't spend two years failing to balance this game, they spent two years treading water. First they blamed the lawsuit for why they were doing nothing, now they lost that and they are blaming players for it.

[jaunty ruin]

Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN Stop SDF, bring back ODIN

[honest snow]

At the cost of a good portion of the player base. I personally would rather sit in a 5min que than lose my two favorite game modes

[dire cedar]

who's ready for bugfix patch 295!

[low helm]

hope it works out for you. i see hope but thats just me

[dire cedar]

honestly we just have to get rid of players like you so the game can thrive in the future. it was a decision that needed to be made long before people got attached to solos

[feral karma]

You know in less than two months they are adding guns to the game yeah?

[low helm]

its a cost that they need to make sure was worth it in the next patches and the next wipe

[last stump]

yeah, if sea of thieves can manage to add content to their broken and unbalanced game for the past 3 years then DaD really has no excuse.

And the SoT management is somehow worse than Ironmace

[low helm]

whatever they do is their business. im just here to play the game

[dire cedar]

remember folks, ironmace allegedly employs over 100 people, most dev studios produce consistent content patches with much less than that number

this was a 2 man company when 90 percent of the content in the game was put into the game, add 90 plus people to the roster, and literally nothing gets done, interesting how that works

[harsh coral]

What time does arena come?

[jaunty ruin]

I guess they're busy making the water map and carrying out every stupid idea the SDF comes up with.

[feral karma]

That stupid idea is adding guns to DnD.

[fringe condor]

in trios game with randoms ( High roller ) you get against random trios or also premades?

[honest snow]

By players like me, you mean a good portion of the player base. These kind of changes only make the game more difficult to gain players. Its already on the decline and next wipe when hr solos and duos are removed it will only be worse.

[low helm]

womp womp

[honest snow]

This game may survive, but with maybe a small consistent playercount...

[honest snow]

Lmao

[gritty flume]

Current troll/cyclops artifact drop rates?

[dire cedar]

no i just mean solo players, by trying to cater to you, the game was thrown off track and balancing changes needed to be made for both solo's and trio's the problem is that the game was never designed to be balanced around 2 + modes so we've been in dev hell, yeah sure we'll lose a good chunk of players but it's more of a good riddance situation as we've always known it had to come to this

[barren pollen]

there is no way this dude is in chat spamming still, he did this yesterday all day

[feral karma]

Regardless of how you feel about it, can you not see how dumb it is to remove the two most popular game modes for the least popular one?

[shell tide]

so if im reading this right you can no longer play solo unranked or duo unranked, but every other game mode is still in? That seems pretty ridiculous, not sure why all loot and extract games I play just get shot by devs (marauders, dungeonborne and now this)

[fringe condor]

in trios game with randoms ( High roller ) you get against random trios or also premades?

[jaunty ruin]

Wally is the ultimate SDF sucker what's wrong with him?

[last stump]

yeah, i really hope next wipe brings the water map and more to do. If it is just a single map with new enemies and bosses then idek.

The community have beem screaming content ideas at ironmace for years and we barely get anything.

A couple merchants some new enemies and a long list of repetitive 'quests'

[feral karma]

You can't use any gear above common outside of HR or PvE, and Solo and Duos are being removed from HR, and they have already been removed from Normals. Marauders was so fun

[honest snow]

Ya this guy has no real feedback. Hes a trio fanboy who clearly requires being carried like our dear SDF

[molten marlin]

instead of cutting game modes just stop hosting oceanic servers since they just vpn to na/eu anyways

[shell tide]

Wow.

[low helm]

not one bit. imagine working for iron mace when u found out they have 10 diff queues to balance. on tops of balancing classes around team play and around solos. a darn nightmare

[unreal stirrup]

he's just trolling on an alt acct. notice how he doesnt have any discord roles. main acct is @keen wren

[last stump]

16 day old account, probably sdf himself

[jaunty ruin]

Wally should get a life. I see him day and night here.

[frail jay]

imagine just leaving map rotation instead of just going back and forth:D

[feral karma]

Then there is zero point to continue, you are acting irrational.

[jaunty ruin]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a camouflaged SDF.

[dire cedar]

I'm not a 16 day old account, and i can tell you with certainty that removing other ques just makes logical sense, if you really think about it, the game will always be stagnant if solo's are allowed to continue to exist, it's a balancing nightmare and it's the reason we've been in hotfix hell for 2 years

[junior condor]

which classes would you say have the highest skill ceiling?

[feral karma]

Druid and Sorc

[low helm]

sorry solos. when next wipe comes, either adapt or find a new game. we do not care what you choose

[last stump]

the game will always be stagnant if they keep giving excuses for not adding new things

[feral karma]

You will when the company has such a small player base that they aren't making enough money to continue to develop the game and eventually shut the servers down.

[jaunty ruin]

calm down SDF

[honest snow]

Thats true, doesn't mean these people cant give their feedback and hope the devs change their mind.

[low helm]

shooot the servers can shut down tomorrow and i wont miss it. i love the game but theres other games to move to if this game falls off like the cycle

[dire cedar]

most of their excuses are stupid, however, balancing 3 different gamemodes that all function fundamentally differently, is a complete nightmare, and is about as valid of an excuse as one could give. I am no fan of the lack of content, but i see the excision of solo's to be exactly what the game needed

[vast kettle]

Your in here talking all day everyday what other games you got

[low helm]

amen brother

[low helm]

this is game discussion not ask Q&A

[vast kettle]

Awe poor guy

[dire cedar]

these people are usually personally attached to the game, so an attack on their game mode is an attack levied against they themselves. They can't see past the emotion glasses that the game is in dire need of a massive change like this.

[low helm]

so poor

[jaunty ruin]

There were much better ways to reduce queues, but they only implemented what was easiest.

[fast crescent]

Just saying your statement is wrong you just suck 😂

[vast kettle]

Go play your RuneScape old head

[low helm]

i would feel bad for them but when im in here saying i undertand the direction sdf is taking here they send personal attacks lmao

[dire cedar]

wrong

[low helm]

another personal attack from a salty solo

[last stump]

other games can balance solos duos and trios and also add new things. At the very least new things could have been added.

i usually only play duos or solos because trios is a chudlord mode with like 10% of the total playerbase. Its just weird what sdf is doing

[safe birch]

When is arena opening?

[vast kettle]

I’m rank 40 trios on leaderboard

[low helm]

anyone in here ask for this info?

[honest snow]

The devs are full of excuses. Look at sfs kitchen, comment after comment about taking shortcuts early on that on responsible for so many short comings that this game now faces. This is the developers problems, not the customers

[safe birch]

Yo rank 40 in trios can you tell me when arena is opening?

[vast kettle]

We don’t need your opinion you main pve

[dire cedar]

yes and this is a swords and sorcery game where balancing all 3 gamemodes would be a nightmare due to class synergies and inherent strengths/weaknesses in each gamemode. it's a balancing limbo and they never win

[low helm]

thats three personal attacks. all for voicing my opinion. lmao

[vast kettle]

Should have 2k hours + to have an opinion

[honest snow]

Buddy, like you havent being the same

[low helm]

show proof

[unreal stirrup]

it's hard to maintain order when you let chatters like wally troll all day. i miss real game discussion

[honest snow]

Like you've been giving any sort of real feedback

[lofty hemlock]

bring back 224s

[jaunty ruin]

womp womp

[low helm]

never

[last stump]

idk. I feel it is entirely possible but IM is plagued by incompetence

[lofty hemlock]

any game discussers? or only r*tards?

[woeful tartan]

sdf announced no solo/duo next season and ppl still cry here xpp ? just wait few months and he solds it to someone who cares

[obtuse halo]

Cant we be both?

[limber badge]

"shooot the servers can shut down tomorrow and i wont miss it."
then why are you here anytime I poke my head in?

[jaunty ruin]

Well, it would be a good name change for the studio.

[dire cedar]

I wholeheartedly disagree and have 2 years of proof backing me up.

[low helm]

who are you

[lofty hemlock]

corporate buyout is maybe the best solution to Ironmaces problem of not knowing how to launch a game

[limber badge]

sunnyrustles, says it right there, are you legally blind?

[obtuse halo]

If fromsoft bought D/D Id kum

[lofty hemlock]

corporation either guts the project (win) or the game goes for real (win)

[low helm]

idk u were talking to me like u knew me irl

[last stump]

Thats okay

[limber badge]

wut

[lofty hemlock]

frick holding the line SELL THE LINE

[safe birch]

HELLO WHEN IS ARENA OPEN?

[obtuse halo]

No

[lofty hemlock]

usually Thursday nights

[jaunty ruin]

You misunderstood, people here complain that SDF implements whatever comes to mind and doesn't listen to its community at all, it's just killing the game.

[past scarab]

i too would like to enquire as to why sdf forced us into blue lobbies and then hastily removed them once i had squired such gear

[obtuse halo]

Honestly blue lobbies were kinda nice, I liked the progression

[low helm]

game has a 10 year developement plan btw. this year 3. my kids are gonna be playing this game

[safe birch]

Thanks dude.

[hardy stump]

I bet all the f2p players did, they woke up to a system shock

[jaunty ruin]

Removing them solos was the height of incompetence

[obtuse halo]

Are you just assuming Im f2p?

[hardy stump]

no, I'm saying f2p players had a surprise

[obtuse halo]

I feel like the basically just throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks

[wintry tundra]

game down>

[obtuse halo]

Not a great strategy but not the worst either

[wind wind]

seems so

[jaunty ruin]

It's stupid to limit normal to common, people who play free mode don't gain anything by looting

This only shows the great incompetence and disconnection of the studio with its community.

[last stump]

welcome to the last 3 years

[obtuse halo]

Eh if I were them I wouldnt be targeting f2p players with content. They have to make money after all

[blissful zodiac]

Hmm i think the trios common lobby enables people with less gear and less time a more casual way to play the game 😄

[sand cape]

Can F2P players even do anthing besides load in and sit in the Tavern? What mode does f2p even have access to now?

[jaunty ruin]

I played since the play test 5, and bought the game upon release, and I am really disappointed.

[low helm]

keep wishing on the downfall u solos. we have the lord sdf on our side so u cant win

[subtle heart]

no doing anything else is forbidden

[grizzled saddle]

Relax guys, either people will stop playing and they'll revert back to before the change (again) or the game will just die 🙂

[subtle heart]

holy glaze

[dry osprey]

F2P can either play trios with 0 gear or fall asleep with gear in pve mode because everything’s already dead from the turbo farmers in unique kits

[fair dagger]

even if they revert me and my friends gave up, game is gonna die foir sure

[sand cape]

Ooof thats rough

[low helm]

they call me krispy kreme

[obtuse halo]

Im not so sure, there arent really any other games similar to DD, people who like this game style dont really have another choice

[jaunty ruin]

and people who spend a couple of hours on it wouldn't be able to use their items in the normal dungeon (I'm talking about free players)

[subtle heart]

it could definitely die, its a very niche community

[sand cape]

No Predecessors or current competiton to peacock against lol

[fair dagger]

Hardcore extraction? yes there is, fantasy extraction Look at mistfall hunters or steel and sorcery tehre are games JUST like it. ITS GONNA DIE

[blissful zodiac]

High roller no?

[gritty sparrow]

funny. didnt destiny say the exact same thing and within a few years D2 came out? lol

[obtuse halo]

Steel and sorcery is awful lol

[fair dagger]

So is DnD now so its gonna die. tf you think i care about steel fopr

[dry osprey]

They really do need some good competition, it’s what makes games good. Look at studios like blizzard, for years all they did was steal ideas other companies were doing, and do it better. They started making their own creative ideas because they killed all the competition and they started going down hill, such is the fate of companies with no competition

[jaunty ruin]

I'm talking about the people who play the free mode of the game

[sand cape]

What...closest thing to this honestly was Spellbreak. Then you got ESO, WoW, Dragon Age(for the solos)...uh Chivalry or Half Sword if you want to be bare bones...DaD really is a game of its own

[tardy tendon]

this is a hiccup guys chill out, acting like this is going to kill the game. Wild, and if your F2p how about you buy the game,,, lmao

[low helm]

idk i never played that boring game

[fair dagger]

Bro no it isnt, you load in loot and leave while swinging a sword/

[subtle heart]

im not f2p and i still think this update is awful

[sand cape]

So name a game like that so I can go main that lol

[light oasis]

Yeah so, battlebit did this at 80k players and now they’re at 400 lol.

[fair dagger]

I already did, maybe pay attention or use your eyes

[obtuse halo]

Fr, this happens literally once a month. IM make a bad decision, everyone freaks out, they change it

[tardy tendon]

this isnt Battleshit

[grizzled saddle]

Yeah it's funny they've done this exact thing before and didn't learn then that everyone hates it

[sand cape]

your suggestion was Arc Raiders? THATS what you say is similar to this? lol

[blissful zodiac]

I dont know what you mean by free mode?