game-discussion

[inner elbow]

i will send you a dm

[smoky temple]

Do lobbies get merged when you enter the next level?

[dense pine]

Back after 6 months. is fighter still OP

[visual gale]

perfect @glad thunder remove invis from the game and give the rat etards poison smoke

[daring arrow]

Why did the mobile release get character “customization” and a whole voiced cinematic introduction?? Kinda wild not gonna lie

[vague grove]

what is pdr cap % rn?

[blazing crown]

75

[vague grove]

without fighter abilities

[woeful zealot]

No 124

[quartz bolt]

im not opposed just broke lol

[blazing crown]

60

[shell cove]

Hi guys, which map is more popular for 123 gear score (OCE) ?

[fervent anvil]

Ice caves

[shell cove]

bet ty

follow up question (returning to this game after 1+ year) how does sorcerer fair as a class?

[fervent anvil]

If you learn it then its good. If you dont then its bad

[smoky temple]

Do lobbies get merged when you enter the next level?

[leaden lake]

not icecaves haha

[white blade]

this game is bad, why are mobs in 0 - 24 gear range dungeons so hard to kill? do better

[sturdy coral]

U can kill a skeleton in one arm g sword combo

[devout flare]

Already received two of these damned bangles... Sooner or later this chest will be mine...

[white blade]

It would make sense if the Mobs in Gear range 225+ Are hard to kill, but in 0 - 24? this is a waste of my time. No thanks.

[sturdy coral]

hit their heads

[devout flare]

Become a bard. Under the melody of defense reduction, most enemies die extremely quickly.

[inner elbow]

the game is intended to be hardcore. they're not too hard once you get familiar with their attack patterns, but offer a challenge

[blazing crown]

ice caverns says hi 🙂

[inner elbow]

[inner elbow]

you still hunting bangles? lol

[devout flare]

When I was young and innocent, Cyclops was a terrible threat. I couldn't see in time that he was about to stomp. And I simply didn’t have time to escape... Nowadays it seems that I know that the stomp is approaching before the Cyclops himself.

[inner elbow]

[blazing crown]

simple gold legit dont drop

[inner elbow]

it was the patterned one for me. when i finally got it i almost didnt believe it because it was my first pile hit lol

[weary pine]

anyone knows how the armor rating to pdr conversion works ? I'm not finding the right pdr with the wiki stats

[steady mortar]

mobs in sub 225 are super easy once you get used to them, give it a few weeks and you wont die to mobs at all in lowbies

[weary pine]

nvm i think i know why 🙂

[white magnet]

If you're a new player how are you supposed to get your foot into the gold storage game? It takes two whole stash tabs of gold coin purses just to store the gold it takes to buy your first gold coin bag. Ironmace please implement some form of control.

[steady mortar]

just buy wolf pelts and trolls blood to store gold

[west gulch]

its really funny how much more effort the mobile game has in it

[steady mortar]

you can sell them pretty quickly and probabli at a markup, bougth a bunch of trolls blood a few weeks ago for 600-700 gold now its 1 k a pop

you can "store" even more gold in keys since those will not loos price either, basiclly everything that is a consumable will hold its price pretty well

[fervent anvil]

Boss

[toxic oyster]

Make crystal sword one handed 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[white magnet]

Telling new players to kill the troll or store wealth in keys or pelts or something is not a good solution.

[steady mortar]

you dont need to kill anything

[fervent anvil]

Ah yes. Telling new players to learn different parts of the game is a bad idea

[steady mortar]

but if you lack storage buy pelts, the price usually stays good and if you really need gold you can sell them fast

also i never lootad a troll pelt still have about 10 gold bags

[white magnet]

I have 15 bags got no pelts this wipe i'm a vet idc but like imagine a timmy who joins late wipe

[steady mortar]

it doesnt matter when you join you have to learn sooner or later that the samll pouches are a horrible way to store gold

[blazing crown]

youd tell a noob the first thing they do is kill troll XD

[white magnet]

like a new player will want to do normal progression to expand his gold storage capacity how can he buy his first bag when it's 18k. I think this game is hard enough to understand without this. At least make purses store a bit more maybe even 100 gold, upgrade the pouch to 400

[steady mortar]

ther are pouches you can make from batwings old cloth and bowstring

[barren ingot]

They cost like 4kgold and only hold 200g. They are not worth it

[steady mortar]

all are easy to get and it holds 200g you can farm one up really fast

[white magnet]

like I got 15 bags but i didn't craft any of them. I got the ball rolling early when bags were 9k then 11k and so on. Imagine joining now, you can't do shit

[barren ingot]

I feel this. Joined late into wipe like a week ago and all my gold had to go into ore just so I could store it. Iron mace need to remove the crafting part and just make it a flat price so R.-M.-Ters can’t just manipulate the market

[silver bloom]

having an advantage by playing earlier isn't a problem unique to dark and darker and silly to acknowledge like it wouldn't happen out of nature

[white magnet]

You get gold for vendoring stuff. You get gold for selling stuff on the market. You need gold to use the market. You tell noobs that they need to some commodity to store their wealth and they will just say no thanks to this game. We got enough people quitting after dying to their first goblin

[sturdy coral]

wtf are you even talking about

[white magnet]

People who start early in wipe and vets in general have lots of advantages in game, they don't need to have an interface / quality of life advantage

[zenith arch]

Yo i simply love getting barrelstuffed by magic missile. Best melee skill in the game.

[barren ingot]

I’ve played everysingle season since the first play test and I’ve never seen bagprices this high

[sturdy coral]

if you're storing more than 10-20k gold you're doing it wrong fr

[inner elbow]

pouches are very easy to craft and learning troll isnt terribly difficult to get his pelt. its one of the easier bosses. if you cant get a troll pelt, i dont know what you need all that gold for, because you have a lot of learning to do still. the progression is fine.

[soft valve]

quick question, whats the slot above the glove slot, it just looks phallic to me

[barren ingot]

Sash

[sturdy coral]

you put your sleeve there

[soft valve]

ah ic, thanks :D

[inner elbow]

ive been playing since day 1 and ive never had this much money and these many bags either. the prices are high, but its never been easier to get money and gear. gold storage included.

[silver bloom]

there's a reason games like fortnite were/are so popular, because if you make a player do more than just drop them in a world and shoot anything that moves they'll hook off lmao

[undone rampart]

WHEN BANSHEE WILL GOT REWORK AND BETTER LOOT sry caps

[sturdy coral]

banshee is a fun boss

[inner elbow]

would be more fun if the last phase was reworked

[dry osprey]

Would be more fun if there was any loot worth anything

[blazing crown]

me getting max ghosts but still taking 40+dmg per tick LOL

[smoky temple]

Do lobbies get merged when you enter the next level?

[barren ingot]

Sure gold easier than ever to get I completely agree but you saying bags are also easy to get is a lie. Look at bag prices right now and tell me how the average joe can even afford half of the material cost. How can you buy a 20k bag when you can only store 5-10k gold? Most people can’t

[inner elbow]

honestly banshee could used some more health. the first 3 phases fly by. the only reason the boss fight takes longer is because youre chasing ghosts like a weirdo so you dont die, while not able to hear lol

[inner elbow]

thats not possible (edit: unless you found a bug) btw. you must not have had max ghosts. max is 8 and you wont take damage.

[sturdy coral]

he's buying his bags 🤣 🤣 🤣

[inner elbow]

i dont know if you are aware, but you can farm the mats, too. you dont have to buy them.

[blazing crown]

carry me T_T

[inner elbow]

i can run banshee with you tomorrow. i need to get to sleep now.

[barren ingot]

Ohh dear you’re one of those. You do realise troll is farmed 24/7 right? So not only do you need to get mega lucky to get the pelt but now you need to survive the 3 troll campers who are waiting for you to kill it. I honestly don’t even think you can comprehend what is being said just by reading that last reply. Yikes

[sturdy coral]

man this guy really can't help himself

[inner elbow]

one of what? the people trying to help you? get blocked. im not reading your BS.

[barren ingot]

You haven’t helped a soul in your life kiddo

[sturdy coral]

hey Hogg #the-tavern is where you flame ppl and rage about the game, this is where you discuss things not just sling poo

[silver bloom]

most civilized discourse in all of dark and darker

[inner elbow]

crazy how my gold storage in shared tab is 30k. weird. how did i manage to do that? huh..... night yall

[sturdy coral]

perfect illustration. wtf you need 30k in liquid gold for besides the flex

[inner elbow]

thats 2 chests and 4 spectrals. this isnt as much as you think it is.

[silver bloom]

making a full arena kit at xx29 then needing to do it again cause you got bad rolls and npcs reset

[sturdy coral]

??? no I'm saying why would you ever need 30k gold?? any gear or items you're trying to buy you would buy in trade post anyway

[dry osprey]

That poor hogg guy really being bullied by pve for chump change

[inner elbow]

so i dont have to spend 5 min in marketplace every match, and i can hold gold. what do you mean whats the point? its so i dont have to sell and buy so often. ??????????????????

[sturdy coral]

having so much gold in your stash is like putting cash under your mattress

[barren ingot]

Tf you on about

[inner elbow]

i do love the dramatic multiple question marks

[sturdy coral]

honestly shocked the bot didn't grab it for spam 🤣

[inner elbow]

i thought that as i hit enter lol

[sturdy coral]

it just seems more worth to have real items in your stash vs liquid gold. I've got like 15k in gold storage and as soon as I hit that I spend it on mats or gear

[inner elbow]

yeah you really dont need much liquid, but it is nice to not have to worry about as often as before.

[steady mortar]

also a there is the fact that if you dont play HR with bis rolls on every slot realistically you dont need more then 3-4k storage, and if you only play 124 even less

[white lance]

Where.

[smoky temple]

Do lobbies get merged when you enter the next level?

[carmine hearth]

is anyone else struggling to find ectoplasm for the last collector quest? I swear i have killed 100+ ice ghosts and not one has dropped.

[karmic moss]

Is UE server laggy af or its just me?

[barren ingot]

That’s what it was like to get entrails from wendigo.got mine on my 40th kill running both norms and HR with luck set. Over 50 kills on cocatrice and no feather

[spiral quarry]

Oi UE

[karmic bluff]

Sorta. Same thing as first floor. They just keep coming dude.

[cosmic nimbus]

bro you are just unlucky, altough its the same with me and yetis tooth

[modern token]

I died on HR entering the red WTFD, who else had this bug?

[smoky temple]

thanks, i was looking for confirmation for a while now

[tacit mist]

Because I like the big number.

Is anybody super rich rn? I need a skull key or two. I got scammed for my gold chest 🙏 (4 gk)

[stable tiger]

BRO RUBBERMALLET PLEASE STOP PUTTING TIMMIES ON MY TEAM LMFAO KEEPS GIVING ME PEOPLE WITH 30 HOURS IN THE GAME THAT DIE TO MOBS

[tacit mist]

KEK that’s why solo is best (until u get assaulted)

[analog knoll]

Yo are we done with quests or more are coming?

[stable tiger]

I KEEP GETTING ASSULTED T_T

[tacit mist]

Fr cuz im done every task in the game almost and there’s 0 reward for completing all of em like in tarkov there’s Kappa

[stable tiger]

solos is just filled with rogues barbs and warcvnts i hate it T_T

[tacit mist]

How so? Like violent assault? Assault in a good way? Bad way? Maybe u enjoyed it?

[small prairie]

Dark and darker mobile> dark and darker

[tacit mist]

This^

[clear atlas]

Man I'm running solo in duos because I just hit people with a club, and I keep dying to duo warlock builds with melee, what is this, every one group i just slam but they just don't die. 😭

[wet carbon]

https://youtu.be/sxW5NX3VMIY

[nova loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu73bLdZNBo&ab_channel=RobNeptune pre teaming report

[fervent anvil]

because this is clearly the report channel

[nova loom]

where i report?

[tight sierra]

how do people learn to dodge efficiently? i try to do what i see from videos but It's inconsistent for me. Do you guys just do the motion, refine it as you go but also just pray it would work?

[fervent anvil]

in the channel that says reports ...

[dry osprey]

just get beat up, heal, and do it again, eventually it becomes fluid

[tight sierra]

thanks, looks like that really is the case ye

[clear atlas]

Yep, just suffer and learn 🫡

[quick trail]

god i love running around crypts looking for longbridge with no headphones on

[fair wren]

WHY DO SORCERERS GET LONGSWORD

[stuck cedar]

i want to do a quest where a have to kill specre knight can anyone mby help?

[cosmic nimbus]

how to time hell

no matter when i go down i come in 1/3 of game already elapsed

[tacit mist]

Lol

[quick trail]

whose dingdong i gotta make sticky to tell me where longbridge is

[cosmic nimbus]

its in cyrpts

[quick trail]

yea bro i know its there but where? ill milk you more than mark suckerberg milks our private data from websites

[plush quarry]

patch when wtf

[pseudo forge]

Ktoś jeszcze zauważył że ta gra od roku cały czas jest coraz gorsza?
Did anyone else had noticed that the game in the past year has become worst and worst?

[cosmic nimbus]

check map on internet

[delicate steppe]

Same w warlocks x P

[dry veldt]

Hot Rogue Take: Give Rogues the ability to pry open crates and barrels through interaction like with the gold pile or door if they take the traps and locks perk, with lowered sound and the crates/barrels don’t explode like they have dynamite.

Hot Barbarian Take: Give Barbs the ability to pick up barrels and crates and throw them as weapons.

[subtle heart]

hot barbarian take: fuck barbarians

[delicate steppe]

Barbs could benefit from some ranged options other than axes for sure

[subtle heart]

no not really, thats the class. axes and throwing axes

[delicate steppe]

You don't think they'd benefit from throwing barrels ?

[pearl turret]

how can sorcerer still be legal with so many spells and just spamm it

[dry veldt]

Need to make the items around the environment more interactive. That should be a huge initiative, IMO. I really like rogues being able to take their dagger and pry apart a crate but it takes like 10+ seconds of interaction instead of trying to bust open a crate or barrel with a random weapon you found.

[subtle heart]

because ironmace is cooked

[subtle heart]

yeah being softlocked out of loot by a barrel gets at me sometimes. thats why i like to take pickaxes

[subtle heart]

no separate perk tho make it part of traps and locks. then we’re talking

[dry osprey]

bring a lute from squire its free

[subtle heart]

god youre right im so dumb

[thorny elk]

what a crap game dude i swear... if you lose internet connection inside a game and it restores in 1 min or something, you will just be back to lobby naked and your are just gone from that match, wont even see your items on goblin.
Devs on this game are horrible..

[trail blaze]

fix ur internet bro how is it their fault you dc and someone killed you and took ur stuff

[thorny elk]

i died on a corner of the map, i wasnt killed. There was nothing around me. Game used to hav ea way to reconnect they toke it off.
They suck di''ks thats the true

[dry osprey]

it didn't get removed you got killed

[fair wren]

great balancing lol

[trail blaze]

you got killed and looted bro otherwise youd be able to reconnect

[thorny elk]

you dont understand, the game kicked me out to lobby i restored internet inside the match itself.

[fiery mulch]

I did the death awakening quest on alchemist but I still cant make grimsmiles

[thorny elk]

Internet went back in 1 min, i saw the match still, i didnt die. Game kicked me out to lobby naked.

[marble remnant]

yo guys , do you have lags as well? whats up with servers?

[trail blaze]

If you got the rep with the vendor that unlocks a new craft you gotta wait for it to reset. Give it 30 min

[pallid badger]

Anyone have any good "off meta" builds?

[fossil geode]

with all the corny stuff all the classes have. BRING BACK THE SKILL CHECK on the hunting trap. Ranger is complete trash at a higher GS.

[quick trail]

i found long bridge, line up and drop your loose trou boys

[spare elm]

anyone else tavern error all the time ? cant play the game several pc restarts as if tavern exe broken

[dry osprey]

not even trolling actual skill issue

[fiery mulch]

Oh yeah, thanks so much for reminding me

[subtle heart]

they gotta buff hide, creep, and make double jump bareable. MAKE ROGUE A STEALTH CLASS AGAIN

[fossil geode]

@dry osprey ill dumpster any ranger. not even comparable

[tribal quest]

remove the class

[subtle heart]

i might have to find you

[tribal quest]

Come here bbg

[subtle heart]

😘

[kind forum]

skill issue

[tribal quest]

if it is so be it

[kind forum]

nah no stealth then it gets nerf into ground cuz ppl cry

[tribal quest]

rogue just isn't positive for the game rework the class

[subtle heart]

fuck do you call warlock then. or barb? are you stupid?

[tribal quest]

nerf them too

[dry osprey]

remove dungeons

[kind forum]

barb isn’t even doing that good this season wizard fighter bard

[tribal quest]

bards are getting cooked by warlock rn

[kind forum]

warlocks r not doing good either unless full buff ball but they need too much resources i don’t play w bards

[delicate steppe]

barb had one night to shine w that blood exchange :p
next wipe going back to fighter

[trail blaze]

my barb is sitting out this season while I main fighter gg

[delicate steppe]

lol I did the opposite - just went all out on support cleric/barb

[alpine warren]

was there just a wipe?

[trail blaze]

been playing smite/divine prot cleric in duo, basically a better barb.

[delicate steppe]

i was so sad when I realized that >.<

basically a drunken barb * x D

[quick trail]

barb aint doing bad but not amazing, timmys that dont understand positioning will always cry abotu them though lol

[delicate steppe]

yea its simple, if you got cloth kite the barb.. fight them in hallways if you can..

[dense wharf]

Is there somewhere i can go to see the 3 rewards for questing this wipe?

[rigid roost]

Yeah I’ve been doing that for solos and duos and just go shot for shot with barbs and usually win. Started dabbling in support cleric for trios and that’s fun too once I adjusted to the “my job isn’t to dive into combat” mindset

[subtle heart]

everyone knows how to fight barb, it just really does not turn out that way. barb is the new ambush rogue

[craggy valve]

What rewards?

[subtle heart]

Is not, is diferently.
Barbarian deals more damage and tank more damage. Cleric have more pdr but not life, also cleric uses mostly shield and mace so he have short reach. Barb uses bardiche and zwei.

They are diferently. Cleric is or was the strongest melee, now i think is warlock. But barbarian in this game was never weak, he is always on top spot. You can 2 shot anything with a good barb.

[delicate steppe]

yea i can 2 shot anything but they can run ;P

[dense wharf]

I did the research i had to. Basically every wipe they have 3 traders that give you cosmetics and stuff for completing all of their quests. The three merchants in question are the Goblin merchant, The Collector, and the Tavern Master.

[delicate steppe]

ambushing is my fave technique fr

[trail blaze]

am i cringe for playing invis pot smite cleric

[white lance]

WHERE

[cerulean crypt]

Sounds like the best way to play it ngl

[craggy valve]

How long are the wipes usually

[wispy lichen]

you are, but we dont blame you, may as well if you can

[cerulean crypt]

Biggest weakness of SmitePot Cleric is being kited and not able to use your melee skills.

[delicate steppe]

invis pots are kinda slept on

[cerulean crypt]

Once you get into melee it's basically gg outside of a handful of escape tools some classes have like Sorc or Warlock

[trail blaze]

108% move speed 65% pdr and 2 hit anything with cds active. Pretty good 👍

[cerulean crypt]

10-0 MU against Sorc though

That was how SoBad's win streak in HR came to an end as well. Cleric just can't do anything in that MU.

[little cedar]

Dark and darker mobile. Is this real chat?

[delicate steppe]

ye they reverted to patch 69

[brisk ledge]

Ruins map
Stables module
Map claims there is a zombie spawn here but I can't find one. Is this old data? or am I missing a spot to get into a basement/undercroft or something?

[wraith iron]

@brisk ledge there is underground spot, look button on ground

[brisk ledge]

dude you helped so much! I found it! Thanks!!!

[gritty ridge]

How many hrs before arena comes my dudes

[brisk ledge]

~8:26:00 from now

[gritty ridge]

Ok ty

[spark gyro]

Nerf bard wtf

[subtle heart]

Use drums while pursuing an spell caster/ ranged one

[pulsar obsidian]

where

[river fern]

is there any way to change the founder of an item?

[pulsar obsidian]

where is patch

[subtle heart]

Bards are bad right now because how absurd warlock new skills are. But bards 2 shot me with a lute while i was in bear form druid. Like more than 120 damage per hit, dunno how. I had some pdr like 40
So they can need an adjust but not nerf him.

[river fern]

is there any way to change the founder of an item?

[subtle heart]

i got two tapped by a survival bow bard the other day. made me angry

[cerulean crypt]

It can in theory work but generally it's not likely to win a fight using nothing but drums

iirc SoBad ran out of drums over the course of the match or something. So he didn't even have any to use against the Sorc.

[subtle heart]

survival bow? what was you playing with ? Survival bow to 2 tap you he need or to be in god gear and you low health

[subtle heart]

Dude u underestimate the power of a drum.
A legendary drum with a power cleric can deal like 60 damage per hit. More like 48 with true damage per hit. A ranged dude never get above 150 life so is like 3 drums to kill him if he dont already got hit.
The damage of the drum hit can be even bigger with drunk master cleric. Also u can always take out your armor to pursue someone, if is a caster will nevermind cause u need just mdr.
Also keep in mind you can throw and get back the drums while pursue.

And judgment keep them in check.
Is not an easy fight, any ranged class is supose to win the tank cleric. But the tank cleric win almost any fight against melees.

[cerulean crypt]

There's tons of things you're missing here sorry. Like I don't think you even understand why Sorc is such an impossible MU for Cleric. Taking off your armour doesn't help. Even if you have higher MS you still will never catch them.

[half spire]

Yo anyone got a video of the module skips in ruins? I remember watching a video of one, and my friend is tryna learn the game

[river fern]

is there any way to change the founder of an item?

[naive charm]

No.

[naive charm]

Best thing to do is go in with him and just teach him the jumps.

[cerulean crypt]

And yeah drums can do okay damage. Certainly nothing crazy when you compare it to ranged weapons like bows and crossbows or spells. But they're still not really a super effective means of winning fights when used exclusively. They're more of an addition to help. They have tons of downsides like other players being able to pick them up, a relatively slow travel velocity making dodging them not terribly hard, equip time and they take up a lot of inventory space limiting how many in total you can bring.

[half spire]

unfortunately outside for the week so I can't actually go in game with them

[heady remnant]

not sure if this is the right channel for this, im having an issue completing a quest. I have the items to give to the surgeon but wont let me complete the quest for some reason

[half spire]

They decided to play when I actually have something to do this week

[cosmic nimbus]

2 times in a row i die with bis kit on bard vs rogue camping on extract, im mad i go rogue, build a nice kit, 1min in a game bis warlock come and curse hunt me down ggs

[half spire]

is the item tagged as looted?

[cerulean crypt]

Cleric vs Sorc is ultimately one of the hardest MUs in the game. There have been harder MUs in the past like Ranger vs Fighter in the early days of the game.

[river fern]

GUYS, how to unblock in trading post?

[cosmic nimbus]

solo cleric just straight up loose vs sorcerer or wizard

[heady remnant]

i just started today lol, so not to sure, it shows loot state is handled

[half spire]

mm thats why, you have to find it in game and then turn it in, make sure you dont stack it with something else that is already handled, as itll make that entire stack handled

[cerulean crypt]

Wizard is more winnable

[cosmic nimbus]

if he knows how to play never can win that

[river fern]

GUYS, how to unblock in trading post?

[heady remnant]

ahhh so you cant use items gotten as quest rewards to complete other quests makes sense i guess

[cerulean crypt]

Nah don't agree.

[half spire]

yes

[naive charm]

You need to unblock the player from your blocked players list. Go to player list and then blocked list.

[heady remnant]

thanks

[river fern]

thanks!!

[cerulean crypt]

I hate that I've managed to get all 4 royal gems before getting the 4 royal bangles

[half spire]

tbh its just looting the pile

[plush sky]

Does everyone in a party get credit for quest kills? Aka cyclops, if I'm in a duo and my party member gets the killing blow do I get credit still?

[naive charm]

Yes.

[plush sky]

Ty!

[cerulean crypt]

My RNG in this game is just funny though. I remember one of the seasons where I went for the 4 royal gem quest I got a gold coin chest before I got all royal gems.

[sturdy coral]

desire sensor ... worked?

[keen perch]

When is the patch coming!!

[naive charm]

This wipe has been the easiest to make money since I started playing during playtest 2.

Gems are valuable, gear is more valuable and can be found at a higher rate, money storage is always going to be a problem and people have no problem paying top dollar to acquire the materials needed to make bags, etc.

All those things plus the player count has been higher this wipe than in recent months. I believe that's what's causing it.

Oh, and I almost forgot. Mining ore is so damn profitable this wipe. This is the most ore has ever been priced at. Arena is a game changer man.

What are your guys' thoughts?

[cerulean crypt]

The economy is self-balancing. They made making gold easier so the value of gold is lower. They made higher rarity gear more common so good rolls are worth more instead of rarity.

[sturdy coral]

continuous dungeon definitely contributes to how easy gold is to get, but I think a huge part of inflation this wipe was due to lack of starting bags for the hardcore crowd. this was the first season so far where you couldn't get 9 gold coin bags for getting Wanderer

[placid ginkgo]

gem socketing definitely added value to the game, loot is still valuable but now it is not too impossible to build a kit + you still have value for the loot

[naive charm]

Damn, I forgot about this. Good point.

[subtle heart]

Thrust me i understand. Sorcerer right now is busted. A good player with sorcerer not only deals toons of damage. but is also untouchable. I saying that playing mdr panther. Is really hard to kill a sorcerer because:

• massive amout of damage
• utilitary spells like wind not only pushes you but also deals damage.
• insta spells
• Dual spells, can cast 2 insta spells per turn.
• 10 spells you can cycle entire list of spells and you never run out of spells while dealing massives amount of damage.

The only class that have a chance against sorcerer right now head on is a iron will barbarian with focus on mdr and speed. The rest of the classes need to take them unprepared.

[sturdy coral]

crafting mats and gems being expensive because of arena is huge though. some people need that tip top juice

[placid ginkgo]

because all the real money in the game actually is in market, not in people's pockets and the market fee is whats keeping economy flowing

[cerulean crypt]

Is this a common view? I honestly think Sorc is kinda weak.

[placid ginkgo]

sorcerer is busted op, what he wrote is true, you can't touch it, it deals immense amount of dmg

[subtle heart]

What happening ? What is your kit focusing ?
Remember, you can change a lot the playestyle depending on gear.

[subtle heart]

100+ damage spells with squire kit is not weak

[placid ginkgo]

doesnt matter if you are max ms aswell, because class' spells doesn't allow you to get close to him and you get melted in seconds

[sturdy coral]

100+ damage? what did you stand there and let the slow moving projectile smack you right in the face???

[naive charm]

I've seen sorc one shot squishy classes through a door window multiple times. Sorc has crazy dps and escapes with the push backs and knock ups.

[subtle heart]

No

[cerulean crypt]

Have you guys seen the Yami clip of a Barb just ignoring all of Sorc's damage

[sturdy coral]

75% mdr will do that

[grizzled meteor]

Yeah insta casting on spells you can't even dodge or block is a bit much.
And you don't even need to aim either. Windvlast is aoe, fire arrow is homing, lightning is homing beam. Don't even need to land hitscans that the other player could dodge and can't be blocked either

[placid ginkgo]

mdr

[subtle heart]

im saying it is possible for sorc to deal 100+ damage right out of spawn. i havent been victim to THAT yet, but lightning bolts and sphere yah

[sturdy coral]

o shit ya thats what i meant

[subtle heart]

besides, it is totally feasible to get one tapped by squire sorc

[sturdy coral]

sorcs who can manage and play around their cooldowns are scary. sorceres who unzip the longsword are easy to deal with

[placid ginkgo]

I have been killed by sorcerers with weakest kits they could have and I was in quite good ones, they didnt even give effort or any skill its all aoe spells windblast all other bs that melts you in 3 hits, especially fighter with no mdr

[plush patrol]

where to find warweed?

[naive charm]

Goblin Caves.

[subtle heart]

level 2 castle is where i found some. theyre usually in hidden rooms

[placid ginkgo]

goblin caves, anywhere

[grizzled meteor]

I saw a video of someone in a 2k sorc kit killing a bard with viola elven 25sk kit and the bard couldn't even fight back

[subtle heart]

Sorcerer never lose if they dont get unprepared omg. THere is like 4 spells that can 1 hit kill you if you have like 120 life and base mdr.

[plush patrol]

ok thx

[pulsar obsidian]

this game is dead no patc gg

[placid ginkgo]

no way, post it I wanna see that nonsense

[sturdy coral]

good lmao

[cerulean crypt]

Sorc has some powerful strengths for sure. They're really hard to catch with their pushes and area denial spells (unless it's a Barb). But their actual damage output seems pretty low outside of landing headshots with Flamefrost or Bolt.

[subtle heart]

Dude, the slow spell. Can be caster instant. So if you push a sorcerer they can insta cast 150 damage spell to your face.

[naive charm]

Game is not dead man. There can't be a patch every single week. Sometimes devs need to get Metadata from a patch for a while before putting out the next patch.

[placid ginkgo]

normally in games, range is the poke damage not the high damage but in this game range has more dmg than melee which is absurd

[molten forge]

spear of rot or frostlight?

[velvet raptor]

Seems like everytime i get someone banned a week later they are just unbanned

[subtle heart]

getting barb rushed as sorc is actually kinda fun

[subtle heart]

Thats depend on the build. You can build a pdr sorcerer also. with the freeze spell that make you -20 action less. And he have a golem helping his ac and dps.

[grizzled meteor]

https://youtu.be/07FuMw82lnI?si=3eVq0p0hleFWYQj4&t=53
2k kit vs 2mil kit and the bard got to shoot his bow once then had to run

[pulsar obsidian]

almost 3 weeks since a real patch

[subtle heart]

Fighter vs sorcerer is a bad match for fighter. But sorcerer is busted. Dont need to be THAT bad.
Also never aprouch a sorcerer. Most his spells are more easy to dodge long distance. Remember, he can insta cast. So if you push him, he throw the slow fire ball that deals like 150+ damage one a good sorc build.

Bow is your best friend, and MS second.

[nocturne walrus]

does agility or add move speed scale better

[subtle heart]

add move speed most of the time except for low agility i think

[cerulean crypt]

https://www.twitch.tv/y4mi/clip/CooperativeTawdryCatSoBayed-ulxTZAYaLrcx4BoL

I feel like this Sorc clip is very telling

[subtle heart]

That is not true. You are looking builds diferently. There is also gear. And where the hit land.

[placid ginkgo]

what is a good match for fighter, I dont seem to find

[naive charm]

You're also forgetting about move speed bonus. It depends how much MS you already have. If you have low MS I would get additional move speed for the flat amount. If you have high AGI and over 300 MS already, I would get move speed bonus.

[vast prawn]

IMO they actually messed up by doing weekly patch because it made every baby in here crying 24/7 to expect whatever the issue they’re currently throwing a tantrum about to be fixed in less than 72 hrs

[naive charm]

This.

[subtle heart]

No its not, sorcerer gear there was really bad or the mdr of the barb was high, or both. Iron will is the only class that can pushes sorc.

[placid ginkgo]

yeah this just straight up shows what that class is, the sorc just has random items on him and still bard cant do anything

[broken wadi]

still blatant teaming in HR - i report, not sure it does anything tbh

[grizzled meteor]

just cant push him with windblast and taking too much damage while getting chipped down by spells you cant block or dodge. need knockback resistance to rly fight it

[subtle heart]

Druid if you use long sword/bow, rogue if you have high pdr and life.

[cosmic nimbus]

problem is whatever playstile i go for i meet my counter

[placid ginkgo]

fighting a druid with fighter is pain

they will reset 50 times and kill you eventually,. rogues can stat check you now idk why but every lobby 2/3 players in gc are rogues facetaking and killing people. State of the game not looking very bright

[cerulean crypt]

Cope

[subtle heart]

First you need to see what you build with.
For me the best way to build a rogue is focus on invs atack. So is true phs damage dagger. Also get some pdr and life. Most rogues dont get that.
And last but not least, have poison daggers. Always have like 20 daggers on backpack.
Kite damage with daggers you can kill anyone. Druids are the easiest if u understand how.

You need to know that a rogue who is kitting, and people advance on him and he became invs, is a scary thing. People never advance on rogue cause the push damage.

[cosmic nimbus]

i do all the things, usually 140hp+ 315 move speed, but then i miss 2 throwing knife and he hit 2 survival bow hits i cant do kiting no more

but usually i just die to less geared rogue camping some cheese spot, probably timmies , so i dont really care about gear

[subtle heart]

Fighting a druid is pain point. Druid is the most reclusive class. They can just get out of combat if you dont deal damage over time on them. But you need to understand. With a fighter long sword you dont need to run from bear. You can just push the bear and 2 tap them with a parry.

If the druid is good, after the first hit of the parry he will became rat them chicken panther away to recover cause that is scary damage from riposte.
So you need to use your bow.

[balmy minnow]

have you considered doing all the things, but just a bit better?

[subtle heart]

Up your pdr also. Pdr also means life.
If they do 50 damage and u have 20 pdr means each shot u gain 10 life from not getting the extra 10 damage.
A rogue can easy reach 30-40 pdr.

[cosmic nimbus]

cant have movespeed and pdr bro

[subtle heart]

With that in mind you can evade and fight your way.
But remember. Ranger you never go to his space you need to let him go to yours. Is a class.

You can have both. Just push the status on the gear.

[tawdry mortar]

Anyone else think that this game would be better with just fighters and barbarians and maybe melee warlocks

[subtle heart]

Would be boring as hell. And warlocks right now rein supreme. So they would do that there.

[placid ginkgo]

thats the "if you hit your parry" scenario, if you dont you just die and lose your maybe 10 20k kit. Also ls cant be ran as primary weapon, its a noob bait weapon in most cases, and even "if you hit your parry" he just rat forms. Trust me had this scenario in like 10 times in a row with a druid in piss kit, in the end he might just kill you with his 20x comeback which is the nonsense developers just insist on keeping in game. "we will strenghten the other classes" thanks pal, that 7 ms with breakthrough really helped me, my main skill is worse than other class' perks.

[tawdry mortar]

Yeah, but running away and chasing is also boring

[molten forge]

I love killing druids with swarm of locust when they try pushing in rat form lol

[potent lark]

what happened to general chat

[subtle heart]

Dude as a fighter u need to have a high pdr and life.
The bear atacks are really easy to parry. And you can atack some times. The reach of long sword outclass the reach of bear tap and claw atack.
Also bear tap is ridiculous easy to parry, just aim upward. and you can fake an atack them parry the tap so he dont evade the atack.

[naive charm]

Or Judgement also. Lol. Their bodies just pop up in the air. Haha!

[molten forge]

loool

[placid ginkgo]

I can parry the god damn bear, are you not listening? You dont run longsword in highroller as fighter unless you are a timmy

[subtle heart]

I had the oposite cenario. Im 7 kd ratio druid. I kill 7 people every time i die.
And i run mostly from fighters, pdr/life people. A druid cannot sustain combat. He need to leave and heal back. A fighter with second wind can sustain combat.
The healer druid can sustain combat. But that druid is like a cleric. You just need to bait him cause he is slow as fuck. And like cleric he is one of the strongest melees, you canot push him while he is healing and expect to outdone damage.

[tawdry mortar]

How is the TTK lately

[stable meteor]

Ranger is actually the worst class rn, unless you are very skilled

[placid ginkgo]

OH MY GOD A DRUID CRYING TO ME BECAUSE THEY NEED TO LEAVE COMBAT AND HEAL?!?!?!?! THIS IS FUCKING MAKING ME BURSTTTT A FIGHTER CAN SECOND WIND TOO, take me out of this bullshit chat

[subtle heart]

I had the oposite cenario. I get 2 3 tap from fighters in bad gear while playing hybrid druid or bear.

And you are incorretly. Long sword is the best fighter weapon in the game. If you say is for timmies, you are bad with fighter.
Look the videos from good youtubers. They are always using long sword.

[placid ginkgo]

oh my god I cant, just stop talking this is pain

[subtle heart]

Timmies have hard time hearing the truth. They suck.

[cerulean crypt]

What melee weapon do you run on Fighter

[naive charm]

A man of culture I see. Colm is a cool dude. I love Sacred Stones. TTK is pretty quick right now. All classes can pump damage with the right build/gear.

[subtle heart]

So chose another game to play. One that you playing against cones that dont react on what you do.

[tawdry mortar]

Thanks man

[subtle heart]

That is a good tatic. As any area damage spell will deal the trick.

[stable meteor]

yup, they need to rebalance weapon for class / block of every shield

[subtle heart]

funny he did not repond.

[tawdry mortar]

I just want incentive to fight. All interactions should be about opening the opponent up for damage not running until someone gets bored of the chase just to heal

[naive charm]

Yes, this has been a problem for a long time. Shields are very inconsistent when it comes to blocking. Spears go right through them at close range.

[stable meteor]

it's not always about killing player, it's an extracting game

[tawdry mortar]

You extract to get better gear to kill players. The end goal is murder

[stable meteor]

yup, they should add repose to other weapon imo

[red kindle]

A mark of any good game

[subtle heart]

Dude...
First this game is not only pvp. Is also pve, there is people who will just run away from you cause they like to do bosses and pve in general.
Second thing is. Every single pvp game you run. Cause when you are in a bad position you do as tatic to get a better spot. So even if this game would be fighter only. People would run away from a fight, hide, camp, get back second wind and try again to fight.

You are being lazy ass saying chasing is boring. It is dificult. I cant chase a good rogue while im playing anything. Because a good rogue hide games are scary, they can output more damage than you can tank it.

[stable meteor]

nope, the end goal is bossing in HR. It's not always about killing the player you got in front of you

[lyric current]

How do I add another class to my roles on here?

[ember pond]

I feel like I have better luck getting better gear from players then boss

[tawdry mortar]

This

[stable meteor]

Sometimes, but killing players isnt the way to make money

[subtle heart]

yes it is

The end of the game is murder. But not pvp murder.
People join matchs to get better equip just to murder bosses. Test skill against them like a souls game.

If there was not pve players, there will be no itens to pvp to loot. Most pvp players dont ever open a chest, or just golden ones.

[stable meteor]

nope, i have 100k and its from flipping in the trade

[naive charm]

Yeah, only 3 things that can riposte are lantern shield, flute, and Longsword. A fighter can use all 3. Lmao! 🤣

[stable meteor]

you guys are just dumb to think pvp is the way to make money

[subtle heart]

It is a way, maybe not the best. But it is a way.
Killing king boss getting skull keys maybe is better. But i dunno.
Sometime you just camp kill people there.

[subtle heart]

im not dumb i just loooove killing

[stable meteor]

and you poor junky

[subtle heart]

Well he is a fighter after all he supose to understand weapons better than most.

[subtle heart]

kinda. 10k

[plush quarry]

patch when

[stable meteor]

like i say, pvp isnt the only way to make valuable money

[subtle heart]

thats fine. pvp is still more fun

[stable meteor]

its fun, i agree, but i dont fall into the dopamine circuit system of killing player just for the thrill, i want to get good gear to run bosses in HR with my mate

and then i can get skull key or golden key and get unique

[stable meteor]

they added parry to a lot of weapon lately, they just have to add some riposte to it, there's no way a Warlock / Sorcerer can wear a Longsword but not the Wizard

[cerulean moss]

it's actually quite common for warlock's to have weapon proficiency and for wizard's to not

[smoky jetty]

sdf is typing ...

[fair tinsel]

NAH wizard have canonically weaker wrists so they cannot fuck with the longsword

[subtle heart]

none of them should have riposte.
Should be something of bard and fighter. Casters having it is bad.

[stable meteor]

I mean, plating warlock is just a figther but just in better suit and can get a longsword + can instant heal

[tawdry mortar]

Wizards should get a cannon for non-magic missle

[cosmic oak]

how do you guys fight nightmare wraith as barb? or any melee besides fighter with parry

[stable meteor]

I know

[stable meteor]

I understand how mob work?

[subtle heart]

barb can have shields also, i think u can just use it.

[tawdry mortar]

Cheese most likely

[cosmic oak]

if i try to dodge swinging left or right, it works, but if i screw up which is 50% of the time, im fucked after the slow

[stable meteor]

Why a spear doesnt have riposte?

[tawdry mortar]

Find a staircase and duck

[cosmic oak]

the cheese use to be the stairs with matrix, but i im pretty sure his downward 45 degree angle swings will still hit me

[stable meteor]

Thats what I'd say too

[cosmic oak]

ah okay, ill try that instead of matrix , thanks!

[ember pond]

And quarter staff. Every kung fu movie I sawed had immediate rebonk

[stable meteor]

yep a quarter staff too, indeed

[tawdry mortar]

Hopefully you hey improve the game so cheese isn’t as attractive

[stable meteor]

they are trying hard lately to change this, but it's always gonna be part of DnD

[spring cave]

Beg they make some sort of thing where the pve lock onto the player that first aggro’s them because it’s so stupid that people can run through the whole room with mobs following them but as soon as I come no where near them they all still start going at me

[blazing blaze]

You can dodge the wraiths by just timing moving right around them in a circle. Its a little weird to learn but as long as you dont get hit its fine.

[stable meteor]

they actually changed the way mobs interact with player in this season, i think if you go far away you can loose the agro and they come right back to their places if they can

[spring cave]

Ye but I’m on about how the other guy can bait them in the room then he runs at me and I shit on him then as he runs away they all just block me or start shooting at me

[stable meteor]

indeed, its common ;/

[sturdy coral]

as far as I can tell it was not changed. you could always move far away and they would slowly reset, but elites/nightmares have a much longer range.

[cerulean crypt]

I also don't believe they changed how mobs behaved

[blazing blaze]

Yeah they seem like they do the same shit they've always done so far

[timber girder]

hey can someone asnwer me this, how do portals in inferno work? is there a fixed amount that spawns? are all static portals? or are there random portals too

[stable meteor]

if you make damage to them they are gonna agro you, but if the attacker is out of reach and players come near by the mobs gonna attack them

[ember pond]

The one thing that annoys me most about mobs is they are chasing someone, then do that sudden turn around and bonk me.

[sturdy coral]

aggro recalculates at certain points once their target moves out of range, it also recalculates when they reach their target

[stable meteor]

but this season it's a bit weird I would say

[tawdry mortar]

Used to have to use an invis pot to make that happen

[sturdy coral]

which is why you have that phenomenon of a mob chasing your teammate, reaching them, then turning 180 on you

[random oar]

Guys I have like three storages full of high end gear. I don’t have enough time to sell all of it on the market, and I don’t want to tailor it or else I’d lose a lot of money, but now I’m out of space. Is they any way I can offload a ton of good gear without losing too much profit?

[ember pond]

That's exactly what angers me.

[stable meteor]

just put them on another of your account bro

[sturdy coral]

nah you could always do this if you moved far enough out of range or the mob spent enough time trying to path to you (and not reaching)

[sturdy coral]

if it's really good, take it to the Trading Post and list it. people will request you

[random oar]

I’ll try that thanks

[blazing blaze]

People that don't have the time to sell off their gear either stash on other characters or they get a fence to sell it all for them. Fence's usually charge a big upcharge for the time they spend selling it all though. Somewhere around 30%

[ember pond]

Invis pot should be poured over your head rather than dranked. I feel that would just make your innards invisible

[random oar]

Where do I find a fence cause that sounds good to me. I grind hr inferno/abyss and end up with tons of legendaries and purples and they take forever to sell lol and I wouldn’t mind losing 30%

[random oar]

Does touching coffee cafinate you

[tawdry mortar]

Man cures viral infection by confusing virus

[dry osprey]

It would slightly because your pores absorb

[peak salmon]

so when are they gonna remove sorcerer? this class is absolutely disgusting

[weak crater]

Hey everyone i m new in game can anyone introduce me to the game and show me how to play

[random oar]

Just learn their kit and how to counter them. I don’t have that much trouble with them but then again I rarely encounter them 🤷

[random oar]

So if you poured a beer over your head you would get a buzz because your pores absorb right?

[quaint raptor]

buff rogue throwing knive costs. nothing in game to stats. just make it so there is a cheap craft for it because as a class that needs so many throwables that have small impact. buying the cheapest ones for 60 gold per 10 dmg is really insane

[weak crater]

^-^

[next tiger]

anyone have a collectors guild invite ?

[quaint raptor]

it just forces people to embrace landmining and more harder styles. and barbarians and fighters really hard counter rogues which are super popular. 0 counter to them unless u have lots of them. of which they can heal back.. francisca axes arent used as a way to deal dmg but as utility. throwing knives are for chip damage so making them cost so much to craft should be buffed

[tawdry mortar]

Landmine rogue always seemed fun. But i agree that throwable should be more accessible for rogues.

[random oar]

If throwing knives were strong you would just see max speed rogues Perma kiting you while throwing shi. Rogue is an assassin stealth class, not a ranged one.

[main charm]

guys thoughts on soul collector shards being consumed by Blow of corruption?

[weak crater]

Yo whats up ppl tf is wrong with yall somebody introduce me to the freaking game

[tawdry mortar]

Oh no, not buff damage, just be more available

[random oar]

Would make boc even stronger than it is already. As a warlock main, it would just be broken lol. I alr have great burst with boc, doubling that would be crazy

[mint wadi]

nerf fucking barb for fuck sake

[void basin]

Anyone know, when starts 6 season?

[warm berry]

does we have a feedback/game sugestion channel here?
started to play last month, kinda have few things to suggest

[weak crater]

let me guess this a american server that s why ppl don t wanna help 🤷‍♂️

[mint wadi]

2 hatchet hits and i am dead, what i n the hell is this???

[dry osprey]

If I remember correctly it used to and it was bonkers and they just flat out pulled the plug on that; but that was some time ago I could be wrong

[sinful gull]

I do agree with the costs. Rogues are OP at the high end, but useless without gear and the throwing knife prices are a big factor in that. But honestly if you are a barb or fighter in solo, the most scary thing for you is a geared landmine with armorpen perk, as it is for literally any other class.

[ashen meteor]

any suggestion what i should play like 40 dex barb or smth or run gold key what ever 0 to hero any suggestions you decid i play

[quaint raptor]

yeah but thats BECAUSE throwing knives are nerfed + expensive. they really need to make them like minimum 6 stacks from the merchants

[limber geode]

I cant seem to hand any gear to the goldsmith to socket a gem

[velvet imp]

gawd dayum, just popped open a barrel on inferno and got a pair of unique laced turnshoe worth almost a gk

[austere zodiac]

Always break the barrels in hell

[blazing blaze]

Was it working before for you?

[sinful gull]

well, yeah lol... if you would buff the throwing knives across the gear grades, that would be even scarier than a landmine with deathbloom that kills you in 0.4s .. throwing knives are insane you can throw 6 knives in like 1s and do like 100dmg with rupture poison. They are strong its just stupid that you have to pay 500g for knives to keep up..when other classes can get arrows for free

[sturdy coral]

Oooohhhh that’s nice. 😮‍💨

[limber geode]

No, I was never able to, tried dragging gear, tried click and left clicking, also tried all those on gems as well

[velvet imp]

bruh 5 add ms, 2 strength, 1 will, 1.4% mdr 1.6% pdr

[blazing blaze]

Weird, I just go to the goldsmith menu and click my gear and it lets me. Try repairing the game maybe?

[hard falcon]

Will there be rewards for arena season or just for HR?

[velvet imp]

you know you cant goldsmith equipped items ya?

[remote jungle]

Yall know about dark and darker mobile? This new?

[sturdy coral]

Oh my god 4/5 god rolls

[velvet imp]

it is known - yes it is new

[dull grail]

Does panther do more damage if I stack phys power

[velvet imp]

ya i nearly shat a brick when i looked at it.. got it listed for 12,500 atm

[random oar]

All throwables are pretty expensive, so it evens out. Also one gold ore run pays for like enough for a week

[tawdry mortar]

What is the price of gold ore up to now?

[paper forum]

I could be wrong but I think there's always 4

[soft hazel]

Can we please take survival bow away from Bard, im so tired of that shit

[velvet imp]

looks like around 380g each

[tawdry mortar]

Are knives around 30g each still?

[random oar]

Idk at the moment but while arena is open it’s usually like 480+ per ore when turned to powder

[sinful gull]

and rondel and lantern while we are at it..

[tawdry mortar]

If so yeah, one gold run will last you like 10-12 games

[soft hazel]

agreed

[velvet imp]

honestly rubysilver might be a better bet than gold anyway, less competition, rubysilver ore at ~310g each when converted to powder

rush worm/golem module in middle of ruins and hope for a key

[random oar]

Is duping ruining game economy? Because I have found god roll unique items and then they are worth nothing, and then I will see how half of the items of that same item are from one guy

[sturdy coral]

got my first rusty key from the worm this wipe

[velvet imp]

ayyy nice, me too, gotten 3 so far

[random oar]

Yeah but if you run gold you can get a pelt or a gem and you get a ton of gold ore on high roller. Ruby silver is better for early game profit, but gold is better for late when you can run it confidently

[trail depot]

not even kidding you have gotten 3 keys in 3 days it’s so worth

[faint verge]

Loading..............

[random oar]

Fr lantern on rogue is so op is not even funny.

[molten forge]

warlockandwarlocker.

[livid surge]

fix the game

[verbal gust]

i love just sitting in corners all game and getting bis!

[random oar]

Upgrade servers to start lol. Im rubber banding like crazy sometimes which completely locks off some bosses for me lol. Also will fuck me in pvp. My favorite was when I was kiting a barb and then rubber banded straight into a axe headshot.

[compact kernel]

They gonna drop a patch today

[vapid vault]

is the only way to leave inferno the boss ??

[sinful gull]

You aligned your inner eye to achieve full SDF vision! I envy you

[random oar]

No, there are many rooms with extracts, you just gotta find em

If you are having trouble clearing mobs just watch a video on how to cheese in inferno (spoiler there are a hundred spots to do so)

[peak shore]

I’ve been saying this for ages, ranger should only have bows

[dry osprey]

Add ghost king as new race

[random oar]

So how would other classes handle ranged threats?

[peak shore]

Crossbows or spells

[random oar]

Crossbows in a fight get maybe one, max two shots off. Melee classes don’t have spells

[sinful gull]

I feel like its one of those things, where the change is direly needed for solo, but not THAT much of a problem in teams so they dont care. But 100% this would improve all ques to some degree.....

[woeful plume]

@zinc sparrow QOL change, move "Gold Coin Purse" to the "Common" catagory please.

[peak shore]

Wizard and warlock and cleric do tho , fighter has cross bow, rogue has hand cross bow, Druid is just Druid and same with barb

[soft hazel]

i whole heartedly agree

[peak shore]

I agree in teams it’s not that bad but getting machines gun by a survival bow bard hurts my feelings haha

[random oar]

Ok and what is so different from a bow and a hand crossbow. Also this game is going off of dnd classes, and more than ranger can uses bows in that lol. Also to say that a experienced fighter shouldn’t know how to operate a bow is a bit silly

[peak shore]

Thats why fighter has a perk but i understand your point too

[trail blaze]

I wish they did a gold squish. Keys being worth 19k and having to hold 20k+ without chests is really annoying. I feel like it was never this inflated?

[random oar]

I understand why you suggest ranger should only be class that can use bows, but they already have class specific bows like the recurve, and that idea doesn’t really solve any of the balance issues in the game.

[sinful gull]

the difference with all bows and crossbows is that you are extremely vulnerable during the reload and generally need cover or disengage unless you stack dex(with cb). Bows can put constant pressure on people in ranged fights, which especially with bard and fighter is busted since they are so fast.

[stuck falcon]

Do i need to keep the candy canes at this point?

[glad rock]

No

[random oar]

Yes, hand crossbows you can move while reloading though do it’s like a bow in that sense. And yes bows have a lot of pressure they can apply, so how does limiting that power to one role balance the game, or fit with the theme of the game

[timber girder]

how do i claim the wooden crate quest from golbin, tells me I dont have space?????????

[stuck falcon]

ty!

[random oar]

Then you don’t have space. Have a empty inventory or make space in your stash

[jovial bloom]

Anyone else getting booted from the game?

[gray helm]

Nerf druid you short bus riding ffffecks

[cobalt siren]

make space

[random oar]

Yeah my game has been crashing mid dungeons a lot recently

[last acorn]

Can you get named weapons from goblin merchant?

[random oar]

I’d assume so, unless they were taken to despawned

[arctic agate]

Is arena out?

[trail blaze]

tonight

[gray helm]

not anymore nor from reward tokens i dont think but it doesnt matter if you get it the most broken class in game druid will just kill you for it

[sturdy coral]

6 hour 10 minutes arena opens

[sinful gull]

Banlance would be my only point. So you can kind of reload while not loosing speed with bhop, yes. but other than that even the handcrossy slows you while reloading, but I mean no fighter or bard would ever use that thing. A cb is one shot and you either choose to reload and give your opponent space/initiative or engage. I think that is what it should be for bard and fighter for many reasons. 1 is that a plated fighter allways will have a insane advantage on a normal ranger build in range fights, which is bad balance since the fighter is a tank/hybrid and the Ranger is a specialist. many more reasons especially on bard but this is allready too long 🙂

[last acorn]

Nah i dont run them, i just like gambling

[gray helm]

oh yeah, im about to start i have a stockpile of chest and skull keys and a few db's and life after deaths. druids are single handedly gona make me quit the game again the so call nerf does nothing in high rollers they can still just back off insta heal and start transforming again games super unbalanced atm imo

[random oar]

Ok then rangers shouldn’t take those fights lol. Not every class needs to be great into each other. Also it’s not like anything is forcing rangers to take fights, they can just leave a trap in a door and dip

[last acorn]

its kind of crazy that druid has a heal imo

[random oar]

Rangers can control how the battle plays out, so just because their opponent also has ranged doesn’t mean they are at a disadvantage at any point

[green rivet]

When did iron mace license the game to be made on mobile devices?

[dapper junco]

It's not really, but it's crazy that they're better healers than clerics now

[gray helm]

he legit has everything and the cooldowns while geared are like nowhere they just need to make him sit to get transformations back idk why thats so hard

[last acorn]

I think it should be like maybe a buff to magical/physical healing, not direct healing

[random oar]

Yeah druids broken rn

[sturdy coral]

i think like a full year ago, maybe more? they had a couple betas for it last year

[main charm]

@zinc sparrow pls open arena and update for when i get home from work ty

[dapper junco]

It's honestly a bit of a joke with Druids major ability in picking and resetting fights is also now capable of being the best healer lol

[white lance]

ITS OVER

[sinful gull]

So your solution means run/camp and grief.... My solution is fun fights. Think again. Fighter hits 330MS with heavy plate pdr, are you telling me there is no other way a fighter can approach this. And tell me why does the fighter have to have the hardcounter weapon against Wizards, why cant the wiz just counter the fighter?(by your logic)

[sullen urchin]

can we put heals in the same merchant pls, is so anoying to buy pots and bendages from diferent one

[random oar]

Druid kit has literally everything in it, and is the strongest class. Change my mind

[sturdy coral]

you.. you know they can't do both at once right? 😅

[dapper junco]

That's not my point, my point is Cleric is doing neither lol

[blazing blaze]

Longbow ranger has very little issues in the ranged fight against plate fighter tbh. If your build is decent you should win that fight 100% of the time. The armor pen on longbow and the amount of true you build makes you shit on fighter unless you miss all your shots lol

[gray helm]

you do know they definately can in decent gear lmfao

[sturdy coral]

??? no like the healing perk literally disables shapeshift

[blazing blaze]

Cleric is much better all around than druid tbh. If you need a straight up healer only druid beats cleric. Clerics strength comes in its ability to heal well and still brawl if needed

[dapper junco]

Druid has plenty of versatility without also being able to take clerics slot of being good healer. SDF has a hard on for Druids tho so no surprise

[blazing blaze]

Yeah but if it wants to be a better healer than cleric it has to take a perk that removes ALL of its versatility lol

[dapper junco]

That's what versatility is mate

[last acorn]

Druid just causes chaos, like everyone is fighting with swords, bows, and axes, then suddenly there is a bear flying on top of you

[sturdy coral]

druid catches one of the most significant nerfs to it since release and gets a new build path and it's not enough 🤣

[random oar]

I’m sorry but I’m kinda confused at what your point is. You don’t have to go head to head for a fight to be fun. You don’t need to take every fight. Using your class kit isn’t griefing. I think you are thinking of one specific scenario ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of scenarios when it comes to fights in this game

[sinful gull]

if the fighter has a equal quality longbow that simply isnt true. He will do ALOT more dmg to you than you to him and all he has to do to avoid your %as advantage is find ANY object to peak out of..

[gray helm]

druids can healthemselves and transform what are you talking about

[sturdy coral]

wtf are you talking about?? you're talking about a class having more build paths like it's a bad thing???

[blazing blaze]

I have not lost a ranged battle to a single fighter. Longbow fighter literally shoots at half the speed LOL. No fighter runs longbow if they have a brain

[worldly wedge]

Is New quests out i am in school rn

[random oar]

Fr the meta with fighter rn is 50. Cal bolt

[dapper junco]

Druids being better healers than Clerics is a joke, is what I am talking about, but go off Druid main

[sturdy coral]

no but fr what do you mean by this? the other guy was complaining that druids can have a ton of versatility, but they have to choose one build or the other. IDK how that's versatility since you have to go outside of game and re-set your build

[gray helm]

no they dont they can build for animal form and heals its called good gear ?

[snow nimbus]

where do i farm ale

[random oar]

Every fight I have had with a Druid, they were able to engage, disengage, full reset in seconds, and then come back rinse and repeat

[lime burrow]

Mebe we turn Druid healers into trees that move slowly

[sturdy coral]

i don't care lol nobody was talking about their self heal

[blazing blaze]

They literally give up all their ability to melee going healer druid right now. Yes they heal better but they become near useless in melee pvp.

[devout hull]

chests and shelves i think are your best bet

[rotund musk]

Longbow on fighter is garbage it’s all about the crossbow, fighters don’t have the move speed or action speed to win a bow fight vs ranger

[gray helm]

thats how it is they are beyond broken you cant beat a good druid unless they make the mistake its dumb

[random oar]

I was running juiced full phy power long sword riposte fighter, ran into a piss gear Druid in inferno, got three hits off on him, and a double riposte while he was in bear form, and it did half health, and he two shot me in full plate

[sturdy coral]

yea i think u gotta rethink ur strategy then

[sturdy coral]

55 strength gives you a lot of hp, i can't believe you tried to trade with a bear form 🤣 like who comes up with these tactics you guys are using???

[worldly wedge]

A druid cant kill u if u have a least a little ranged weapon , only if He gear diff u or He just keep reseting

[gray helm]

lol you must be a druid main thinking you any fight with a druid is not on his terms.

[sinful gull]

ok lol, just before you forget again: we are talkingg about"should only rangers have bows" I said yes "i think its better: here is 1 example", then you say im focusing to much on 1 example xD.. so bards have +3wpn dmg after playing it gives the surv bow over 10%extra dmg and the base AS of bards makes this busted on the high end with +dmg. You just seem to be kind of new, no disrespect... Fighters shouldnt counter both Rangers and Wizards and even without a bow they counter rangers. You tell me you dont have to win every matchup? what are you even talking about then?

[random oar]

Buddy he snuck up on me and cornered me I had to fight. Buddy was in rat form following me around

[lethal fossil]

Patch Today?

[rotund musk]

you can fight bear and win easy this guy just has bad spacing

[sturdy coral]

vent chat -> #the-tavern this is where you rage and vent about the game

[final bay]

i wish we had a room we could queue into like the pre-lobby to test out our damage and 1v1 people.

[white lance]

2 weeks

[gray helm]

strength doesnt give you hp like that anymore idk this guys def doesnt know what hes talking about

[lethal fossil]

2 Weeks?

[sturdy coral]

i feel thiis way too. that means they made a conscious decision to be in the bear's range which is ... quite a play

[blazing blaze]

Strength still gives you hp, Vig just gives you more

[feral comet]

Chat can someone tell me when the next wipe is ?

[random oar]

Fr I want to test out how much dmg my kits actually do

[random oar]

When did I say I chose to to trade in bear form lol like I said I got cornered

[sturdy coral]

obviously a bear druid is gonna have health

[sinful gull]

I will try to hit 15str even with pure casters just for hp sometimes, its not even that bad tbh.

[gray helm]

yea like.5 per 1 strength maybe even less

[rotund musk]

Sounds like your tactic to playing ranger is standing still and shooting, rethink your strategy ranger is strong rn

[peak salmon]

its actually insane how garbage this game is lmfao

[loud moat]

Considering this wipes HR season has been up for a week, probably ~2 months

[sturdy coral]

nah this too weird there's a whole chat for raging and venting and complaining about druid but we wanna sling poop in the discussion channel 😭

[sinful gull]

Not playing ranger this wipe, plate fighter and sorc mostly... Ranger is dead in solos(gc at least), but really good rangers allways have a place.

[dull sierra]

Hiiii

[thin bear]

Ngl, DaD mobile has some stuff i really wish was in the base game
What are the chances Ironhammer imports some of them into the pc version?

[rotund musk]

I don’t play solos only trios and there’s a lot of rangers rn purge shot is strong af rn

[wispy steeple]

Dark and Darker needs a maze map

[random oar]

Who is raging? We are discussing the roles. Having a discourse about a subject isn’t raging

[dull sierra]

Im a new wizard i need tips for pvp

[random oar]

Watch wizard pvp videos

[sinful gull]

Yeah i totally agree, ive said this earlier in our"debate"here 🙂 this is way more of a solo problem and thats why it wont be adressed

[last acorn]

Have you ever fought someone with purge shot and multi shot? I was thinking about if it would work but havent actually dedicated a kit to it

[blazing blaze]

Considering you only deal 15 true when you remove buffs, theres no point in running purge+multi

Edit: I am stupid and was thinking of quickshot not multishot

[vapid vault]

i go to reds and i get stuck on loading forever is this normal

[last acorn]

Does purge shot remove base damage?

[rotund musk]

I’m pretty sure it’s 15 true per buff isn’t it ?

[random oar]

Speaking from a strictly game theme or lore stance, it makes sense for all the classes that have bows, because they have them in dnd. And again it doesn’t make sense that no one would know how to use a bow other than ranger, and also ranger isn’t a class where you just sit still and exchange shots.

[naive sigil]

when will we get rid of longsword riposte? it makes no sense to riposte to a war maul for example

[blazing blaze]

I did a dumb thing. I was thinking quickshot. I run purge and multi but I never pop them together. I play trios though so I just sit backline, tear buffs off with purge and play for multi if anyone gets too close to me

[naive sigil]

and why does a longsword riposte on a grey longsword do 100 damage each hit?

[abstract spire]

what is yall opinion about best heals in game
(include like both self/allies/both situations)

[last acorn]

Ah, I was just thinking for solo just to shotgun people.

[gray helm]

anyone know of a good vid that explains the ruins bosses I just got "outplayed" by another druid in an expensive kit so im going normals to beat up timmys and learn the new bosses

[serene mesa]

I went into a red portal, got stuck on a loading screen so i closed the game and now I come back but I have all the stuff I collected WTF

[exotic sluice]

average cant hit my shots ranger being a doomer

[blazing blaze]

Its a flat 15 true for taking buffs off at all. If it was 15 true per buff Bard would instantly die if you shot him lol

[sinful gull]

That is true, for me it is just the balance. I dont insist on it and have 0 hope for this to ever happen, I just responded to another guy. In solo it would be better, im convinced. more realistically : just nerf bows and buff the perks for bows on ranger.. i would prefer that anyways..

[abstract spire]

it is more than 15 BECAUSE THATSHIT SCALES

[subtle heart]

Omg, ranger is strong as shit. U need to use your traps dude.

[random oar]

Riposte is balanced, hard to land, easy to space out, and takes skill to reliably land. No point in punishing mechanics that require skill. Also it doesn’t nothing into builds that have nothing to block so there’s that as well

[subtle heart]

On dnd not all classes have bows. Druid have slings, like the goblins.
Is there is some races like elfs they have the bow prof.

[random oar]

Yeah one trap is a guaranteed fight win and can lock off entire choke points on certain maps

[subtle heart]

vs druid is really easy to land. But i dont think is unbalanced. People cry out louse unbalance when they can't fight against it. Make me mad. And sdf take notes and nerf stupid things because this.

[sinful gull]

Didnt know that. Interesting to hear, for it is potential future DaD content.

[subtle heart]

Yeah, Also bow damage is great and is ranged, you dont need to engage the fight, you can kite and win just kite.

[random oar]

Druid can tank full riposte builds, so again that’s fine

[serene mesa]

who wants to give me a full gold coin bag in exchange for a mystical gem? (bag is worth 18.5k gem is worth 20k)

[random oar]

Yeah I’m probably gonna start a ranger character soon after I demigod on my warlock (so close)

[subtle heart]

No he cant. A 65pdr bear can tank 4 shots. ANd to have 65 pdr bear you need to focus.

[abstract spire]

i think sdf once talked about slings that gobs have being avaible for every class as a one of the ranged options
but it was so fucking long ago along with quivers i dont even think that shit gonna make it

[blazing blaze]

yeah I dont talk on the scaling since none of it seems to be confirmed atm. It's believed it just scales with +True but Im not gonna make comments till I know for sure how it scales

[random oar]

@subtle heart

[subtle heart]

They took out the hability druid have to fight of melee by going down pdr panther, damage and making 4 shapes.

You can win noobs for sure. But good player space you out of existence.

[gray helm]

okay put some gear on and back up for 2 seconds you get all 4 shifts back lmao

[blazing blaze]

Oh god, AssassinThor is here again. Everyone hide

[random oar]

So you put them in a spot where they can’t or just don’t take the fight

[naive sigil]

balanced 200 damage with 1 riposte sure

[subtle heart]

you are the only one complaing and making fuss about it. troublemakker.

[sinful gull]

Im gonna say if you dont build much extra dmg on a fighter a average bear build takes 3 ripostes.. of course not with 40phys power and +30%dmg and non headshots

[abstract spire]

no isnt it already known that is scales off anything ?

[random oar]

Skill issue. You can complain about any skill or weapon in the game being overpowered just because it’s strong in a scenario or two

[naive sigil]

longsword being able to do all bosses solo

[subtle heart]

Skill vs noob
biss vs piss

Saying that, i did not saw the fight. But you cant 2 shot with bear. Only if u are playing vs a cone. The bear up atack you can dodge near him by crouching and looking the oposite way. He cant hit you that way.

[random oar]

Bear shouldn’t be able to face tank two ripostes and a full longsword combo into a full juiced physical power long sword build imo. Especially when they can just disengage and full reset come back.

[sinful gull]

both the LS and bear are busted, how you like them apples boys? im out now, abuseing LS warlock a bit..✋

[subtle heart]

You are supose to not take some fights man. If you are pdr slow char you dont supose to take ranged fights. Druid is better at it just because 2 thing. Jump doors, and chicken jump. AFter that he is a shit melee and worst ranged.

Panther was good before damage and pdr nerf. Now is also a shit. But you can always kill some unprepared people, or 3rd party with.

[random oar]

I got put into the worst possible situation to go into bear since the piece of shit (quite literally a rat) was stalking me waiting for his perfect moment. But he was shit lol and I got so many hits off and tanked all of it with bad gear lol, that’s my problem. A class with such a versatile kit shouldn’t be able to out tank a build that is full damage tank riposte. He does my own role better than I can with half the equipment.

[gray helm]

lmfao this guy just said panther was shit

[formal hull]

Do you ever unlock arcane garb in the squire?

[subtle heart]

Druid is supose to rat right now. I cant fight face to a face a same equip person. Im not bad. But the nerfs on druid where manny cause noobs complaining shit. So now the only good tatic to a shifter is 3rd party the ass out some low life people with panther. So the 2 hit die dont matter.

[gray helm]

druid is the strongest class by far in the game you are slow in the noggin

[subtle heart]

You saying that because you dont know how to fight against it.

[drowsy igloo]

Maybe how to add a friend from Steam on Epic in the game?

[gray helm]

you just said panther was bad your opinion is no longer relevant in here bud

[subtle heart]

Also saying that ignore the fact that is claimed by every single good youtuber that the warlock is now on top spot, behind him is always a barb and the broke sorc.

[random oar]

Ok then don’t bash on me when I complain about getting ambushed and then say “well you shouldn’t have taken the fight”

[subtle heart]

For you maybe. Noobs always complaing about others opinions without facts.

[random oar]

Also druids do not have to rat lol they are the most oppressive class in solos rn in the game

[empty sun]

lets keep it civil

[vivid linden]

Just saw a dark and darker mobile ad lol? Is that a thing

[drowsy igloo]

Maybe how to add a friend from Steam on Epic in the game?

[empty sun]

yeah, its made by krafton who made pubg mobile, they where given the rights to make the DaD mobile version

[vivid linden]

Ahh interesting thanks

[empty sun]

you search for friends by there in game names in game to add them in game

[random oar]

And the fact that such a versatile class can out tank a tank role, with half of the gear score, is kinda crazy to me

[subtle heart]

Nothing bashing man. Some fights you cant avoid it. That is for druid also.
I died manny times to wizards trying to run from them, also sorcerer air spell just kill rat outright.
So no, there is not an invencible char.
But there is char who are worst and char who are better.
1 warlock 2 sorc/barb
This is counting what i say before.
biss vs piss
noob vs pro

[solemn forge]

Think we get a patch today?

[subtle heart]

U never fought a good sorcerer have you ? Or a iron will barb with a good player doing it.

[drowsy igloo]

dont work

[random oar]

As a Druid? I have only played a little Druid. As a warlock/fighter I have ran into a few. I’d inmagine sorc being a good counter to Druid but idk how barb counters Druid

[subtle heart]

He cant. It is versatily. But you changing into bad stuff to counter good stuff.

Sure a panther will obliterate any low life char that have trouble with melee. Counting off sorcerer because air spells. But warlock and wizard if you get near or ambush with panther. Is great.
bUT to get near this two is another big story.

Bear is just clumsy. If you just straith go to bear, the chance is if you are not a pdr long sword fighter or a barbarian you will die.

[random oar]

I see what you mean, but doesn’t each of their forms counter a class? Bear counters fighter/melee, panther counters ranged/mage/ and chicken and rat provide great disengage

[subtle heart]

A druid cannot kill a good barb. Just that. Bear outspace bear and will 1 to 2 tap a panther.
If the bear corner a barb, druid have a chance. But is a bad match to druid.
Fighter pdr is also. If he have a bow. Longsword counter bear every move. Panther cant get near or die in 2 3 taps.

When druids had not the 4 shifter. you could change fast to hit. But you always get hit.
Now with the 4 shifter counter, you cant shift fast enough.
They can just change bow to kite you and them sword to be agressive. you cannot win that.

[flat quarry]

are there any treasurer crafts? Theres a service tab but nothing in it (ive done all the quests for it)

[random oar]

Yeah but they get the luxury of just being able to run from said barb, other classes who are in the same boat have to take that fight and lose

[patent gulch]

Quick question ... Woodsman Quest Haunting Presence. It use to say Death altar A,b and c ... now it just says Explore the Death ALtar Location 0 out of 1

[random oar]

Nah leather smith gets any crafts that treasurer would provide

[subtle heart]

Not counter, supose to have a chance to that class. But there where too manny nerfs. Now u can try to fight some noobs. But good players outspace you, outdamage you.

When you see someone crying because druid, they prob get 3rd party or died to a stealthy one. Druid cannot fight 1x1 and win.
And people saying they can run and reset. Yeah if they run and reset also can you.
13 secods full heal kit is worthy not much. Druid need more time than that.

A druid healer is diferent story.
He can be opressive in the right hands in teal composition. Would need an adjust i think.
On solo he is good vs melee and bad vs anything ranged.

[subtle heart]

Yep, that is the class. He can run. Druid is the best at running from people. Is all they do.
That is why i think the playstyle of druid need to be stealth and 3rd party people. They dont have chance one 1x1.

[random oar]

I’m going to say this and then we can end the discussion and change subjects, but everytime I have ran into a Druid, they got to pick the fight on their terms, and if I’m not running barb i usually get fucked. Especially when I’m bossing and I’m in a loot room/don’t have an exit and have to fight, and I just think it’s a bit unfair that they have such a versatile kit, and great reset and disengage

[rustic socket]

druid nerf did nothing. still broken af. next hotfix just remove that shitty class

[random oar]

Removing Druid contributes nothing to the game and fixes no problems.

[rustic socket]

fixes having druid in the game. are you dense?

[subtle heart]

True, like i say. They are the best class to run away. Even better than a rogue who is still very good to run away. But that is the class. There is nothing more to it.

If you having trouble, changing on what you doing.
For me as fighter to fight a druid i need. Pdr, life, long sword, recurve bow.
True damage is always good to kite on recurve bow. Is also good to have throwing axe to slow down when they are running.
Any thing that deal damage over time take out the possible way to them scape by using rat.
Chicken panther also takes major damage from things that damage over time as both lower a lot the life he have and that is passed to the main char a lot.

[vital bobcat]

they should make it where if a warlock uses phantomize they just fall through the map

[woeful plume]

There are no rules that say you have to have a counter to every perk, skill or class.

[random oar]

If you aren’t actually going to suggest anything worth while of discussing in not going to engage with you

[subtle heart]

Hahaha nice. That makes toons of sense. Druid stuff would do it also.

[blazing blaze]

Hey man, Ima give you some advice. Don't try to have a conversation with that dude. He really don't listen to what you're saying and he'll go on for hours with no relevant facts

[thorny pier]

Make Dark and Darker Great Again

[rustic socket]

youve already taken the bait.

[random oar]

Thank you I will keep that in mind

[subtle heart]

Exaclty. If you build druid you have mostly 3 paths.
Go full panther, so you can kill low life chars.
Go full bear to try kill melees
Or go hybrid.
Either way 1x1 head on is always dead to the druid. You need to take people umprepared.

[random oar]

Anyways does anyone else think the servers are ruining the game right now? I’m dying to rubberbanding too frequently/ getting kicked from lobbies mid raid that it’s making me want to uninstall

[subtle heart]

Also hybrid is extremely expensive. But is the better bet.

[empty sun]

it should, that's how ive added all my friends regardless of platform as the friend system isn't based on steam or epic friendlists

[subtle heart]

I going to report you. You are not adding anything positive to a discussion and just making people fight each other. You should be banned from this place.

[random oar]

Also is duping a problem in the market right now because I feel like high quality gear isn’t as expensive as it should be, and when looking at the sellers, you will see certain names pop up over and over again, which is a clear sign of duping.

[silver smelt]

tomorrow best patch in this season?

[subtle heart]

what ? are you getting kicked ?

[random oar]

Idk what you are referring to but I had no problem in my discussion with him and you are only spreading negativity in this space for no apparent reason

[empty sun]

knock it off

[subtle heart]

When gear gets too expensive. it takes out the possible fight from noobs.
Is good that is not that expensive right now.

[fallow basalt]

max hp rouges running around the "squishiest class" is somehow also the best dps and tank lul

[random oar]

It says like an error occurred or something. Like I will be going from ruins to crypts and my game will just close and I keep my kit, but lose anything I found mid raid. And I don’t think I need to explain the rubber banding issue lol I think a lot of people suffer from that

[sullen urchin]

servers off?

[subtle heart]

yep. they are strong and scary. i was panther druid, running from a rogue with 40 pdr and 40 atack power bonus. That was really scary.
I always run from fights i think i cannot win.

As barbarian, you need crush to do that, but work same way. If you build a barbarian without iron will and too slow, just run from casters/rangers.

[random oar]

I guess so, but it is annoying when I pull a unique piece of gear and it’s worth 300 gold. I’ve had a unique sallet on the market for 5 days now with good rolls for like 400 rolls and no one has bought it

[fallow basalt]

dont even get me started on hide being a free win button or reset button so even if they do make a mistake they can just reset as often as they want

[subtle heart]

The fact you keep your kit is because no one found you. When you crash like that your char remais on the server, and if anyone find it they can kill it and loot it.

[crude raft]

Hey, does anyone know what happens if you shoot someone with pestilence and then switch to zirkzis?

[subtle heart]

Oh, is not like that. Is just unique legendary epic rare are not really what makes prices.
Is the atributes.

If you get a +2 agility ring with all atri and true phys will cost like 1000 to 1200. While you can buy an bad +5 agi ring for like 800.

[serene mesa]

is there a new cheat that stops people spectating you? I just died and went straight to lobby no spectate

[balmy minnow]

does the gloves need to be found by me for the rubygloves to be crafted by me?

[random oar]

Nah just no one left in the lobby

[serene mesa]

? I was killed by another player and I don't think he died to my poison weapon I got shit on

[subtle heart]

But that is the class. I know rogues can be opressively strong, but i dont think people need to do like they did on druid and destroy the class. Balance is dificult to archieve. You need to understand Good player vs bad players biss vs piss, cenario other variables in count.

The way i see, you just need to adapt to rogues like that. But yeah, a close look can be done to see if the class is too much.

[stuck swan]

guys dark and darker mobile is like, really good

[subtle heart]

you can buy common, to craft anything.

[serene mesa]

we'll see if I get my kit back but that was weird that I didn't get to spectate that's never happened to me before I didn't get to see death cam either

[fallow basalt]

yea adapt to them sitting crouched in hide in a doorway/extract and by the time you can react your already dead from landmine dps

[subtle heart]

Hmm maybe he died. Or left. But there is no cheat about that that i know off.

[random oar]

He could have died/ your game could have bugged, or a multitude of different reasons. But yeah he could have been hacking. I ran into a warlock who was blantant cheating (disabled my movement and then one shot me) and I couldn’t spectate him either

[cosmic nimbus]

FUCKK MEE LOST 6 KITS TODAY , WHEN I EXTRACT ITS 8'00 COLECTIBLE

[subtle heart]

What you are playing with ? I help you.

[serene mesa]

so there is anti spectate cheats, nice I love this game

[subtle heart]

wow really ? what server ?

[random oar]

I’d just get medal and clip a encounter if you think they are cheating

[random oar]

I’m north east servers. They suck. Worst kind of players and the servers themselves are very unstable

[serene mesa]

It wasn't the kill that made me suspect cheating it was a pretty standard landmine, it was just the fact I went straight to lobby with no spectate

[subtle heart]

Damn man, i hate cheaters. They should respond criminal. That is not only ruining people experience. Time is money, they are taking that away from people who come back from home to have some fun.

[random oar]

Yeah that doesn’t mean they are cheating. If they kill you legit it doesn’t rly matter anyways

[mild sinew]

why not make Arenas an everyday thing

[limber badge]

dungeon population would plummet

[serene mesa]

wait I got my whole kit back he did die to poison you guys were right lol, should have waited instead of crying in discord

[austere shard]

im stuck in a loading screen after taking a red in HR....am i going to lose all my gear and AP?

[worldly ledge]

https://www.instagram.com/darkanddarkermobile?igsh=d213azVuczhxc2U2

[random oar]

Well one the arena heavily influences market, and crafting materials would just be more expensive all the time if arena never closed

[trail blaze]

50/50

[subtle heart]

Forgot to say about bear druid.
Remember, he atack at -25 action speed. That was one of the biggest nerfs to the class ever.

[austere shard]

do i exit the game...?

[random oar]

Also it gives people who want to run dungeons but grind arena times to do so instead of having to focus on one or the other

[worldly ledge]

Dark and darker rip off

[subtle heart]

Nah its ok. We are here to help man 😄

[trail blaze]

yes it might let you rejoin the game or kick you to lobby with your stuff. Depends on if your character loaded in the game or not

[subtle heart]

just stay on that . Sometimes take a lot of time the loading screen.
If dont work. Close the app. And rejoin. You can rejoin mid game.

[random oar]

Yeah this has happened to me a few times I was just talking about it. You just have to wait it out, but I have never lost gear from it so other than it being a inconvenience and incredibly annoying it’s not to big of a deal

[austere shard]

its been like 5 minutes, cant decide if I should close out or wait

[trail blaze]

restart game then

[subtle heart]

alt f4

[gaunt blade]

have they patched the game? now u see names above people when you view from the extract?

[subtle heart]

1 to 2 mints its ok on ssds. more than that alt f4 and rejoin the game.

[gaunt blade]

I started getting this too, today, taking red or going abyss

[random oar]

Usually it closes itself for me by that time, but yeah just restart atp

[trail blaze]

yeah its a common bug. my buddy gets it a lot but ive only had it once

[austere shard]

saved my kit but i lost AP i think, weird

[random oar]

Oh ok so then it must be a new bug introduced last patch because I started getting it Monday I think

[trail blaze]

gg blame devs go again

[kind sphinx]

yea it just puts u bk in lobby with gear its annoying af

[gaunt blade]

Only started getting this today, 2 times so far, can not rejoin either, dont seem to lose AP tho?

[random oar]

I’m wondering if it’s still best to grind ap on forgotten castle now since this bug is becoming a problem

[cosmic nimbus]

everytime i put decent gear on i die instantly, i cant play unless absolute bis

[random oar]

I remember losing ap because it put me down a rank, so unless it’s just for me the bug steals ap

[cosmic nimbus]

i put on 20k set just to get 2 shot from barb its inasne

[gaunt blade]

Maybe, I had 171 on journey 1 and me and my duo killed worm, golem and opened 1 or 2 lions but I dont think thats enough to cover the cost of entry

[neat quarry]

No patch last week I thought there may have been one today, any thoughts abt next patch?

[random oar]

Barb needs a huge buff rn. Weakest class in the game it’s not even funny. @ironmace buff barb again

[naive charm]

So there's this weird bug going on. If you take a red and alt+f4 as you start to go down (it needs to switch to spectating a team still in the dungeon as you alt+f4), you will keep all of the stuff you looted as well as your kit. Also, some people are claiming that you can re-mint gear found by others if you do this. I haven't tried it yet but it would be crazy if it works.

[smoky jetty]

nice name

[sly holly]

the 3rd parties....

[random oar]

I’m not gonna try that since I don’t need to be banned for exploiting, but If that’s true that’s crazy

[random oar]

Third parties exist in any competitive game.

[smoky jetty]

First of all you can not get banned for this since its not your fault ... its a game bug, I actually found out this bug existed like weeks ago its not eve due last patch, but nobody really noticed it before. Also its hard to track something like this like why would u get banned for this? I did that couple of times and it works wonders

[sly holly]

obviously its just frustrating sometimes lmao

[cosmic nimbus]

i dont think i know how to play after 2000 hours, everytime i wanan fight i find myself between two players

[random oar]

I mean people were looting hackers with duped loot and getting banned, and never getting appealed (thank you iron mace) so better safe than sorry

[smoky jetty]

wait instead of stating the fight if you wanna make sure to not get sandwitched

[random oar]

Yea for sure lol. Never play rust you will get 6 partied in that game lol.

[flint charm]

Stupid ass game, load in and my teammate for the second time cant load in to game so i die to duo spawnrushing while i wait for him to MAYBE load in. Legit fix your game

[smoky jetty]

that has nothing to do with this certain bug tho

[barren locust]

anyone able to help me with the wyvern quest?

[cosmic nimbus]

i mean then i can just rat and wait for guy to landmine him

[lunar fable]

What classes y’all like for solo/duo hr?

[smoky jetty]

pls dont play rogue 🙂

[cosmic nimbus]

it seems the only way

[random oar]

I would love to but everytime I try to kill wyvern, I die to rubber banding

[subtle heart]

hehe barbs do that. This game is always barbs and barber :D.

[cosmic nimbus]

im goona have to camp extracts for one day it seems

[barren locust]

I appreciate it and understand. thanks man

[random oar]

Warlock flame walk phantomize = fuck off

[random oar]

I’m going to camp your house extract with a dagger for a day it seems

[cosmic nimbus]

thats the thing i get shit on by landmine rogues whole day, then i go with rogue and its first guy warlock who curse me and chase down

[subtle heart]

you should use more choke points

[cosmic nimbus]

i come into hell with 2/3 time remaning bro

[subtle heart]

ranger barb druid. But that is because i dont like bard. Bard is good.

Warlock right now is reign supreme, and sorcerer is broken but extremely dificult to master.

[subtle heart]

sorry was thinking about goblin cave.

Im really bad at going down. I die a lot so i keep to caves where i dont die often.

[random oar]

A rogue should always be faster than warlock (unless huge gear diff) and anyways rogues get to dictate how they take fights (unless caught by surprise). Imo rogue is a pvp class, you should be focusing on pvp with him. If you want to run pve go like fighter or warlock

[plush quarry]

patch when

[quiet hemlock]

Hey guys, i've just started playing got a few hours in the game now and really enjoying it, should I buy legend status even while new or is there any reason to hold out, until later on?

[subtle heart]

Because hide, they are good pve also haha. You can even lure an enemy to a bunch of mobs surround and hide. They will all pursue him 😄

[random oar]

Yeah foreal that needs to be fixed. ATP you just gotta go straight to extract

[subtle heart]

Dont pay full price. This is not a release game is a alfa. The did not release there plenty of bugs and unbalanced classes.

[subtle heart]

But if you get a discount is worthy. And is fun. But devs are charging too much in all games right now.

[quiet hemlock]

23 isn't awful though surely and if it's alpha it helps support i guess? How regularly does it go on sale?

[random oar]

I mean for thirty bucks and the gameplay loop it’s pretty good

[subtle heart]

Join mid game on a unknow map is bad.

I understand to join mid games on a map where u know where is everything. But an unknow map, make pressure to you find a way to leave that map.

[random oar]

I have 200 hours ( and many more on the way) and for 30 bucks that’s a steal. If you like the gameplay loop then invest in legendary. Try out the free version for a few hours though

[white matrix]

2500+ hours. I have 3 legendary accounts i like the game so much. Two are hold the line editions. Game good. Game worth it.

[gaunt blade]

Urge everyone to report this bug

[cosmic nimbus]

now i go wywern and all rogues does is run around wywern shield for 3/4 timer, then goes away and griefs

i dont wanna play cause if i go 30k set, chance is im gonna get 2 shot (im mostly play bard btw)

[naive charm]

How do I make the devs aware of this?

[pearl thunder]

this quest called community service says interract with floor traps, ive done this on ruins and crypts and its not giving progress any thoughts?

[dry osprey]

Warlock says no buff for you bad dog

[subtle heart]

How to not play against a druid.

Just fought a rogue on goblin cave. He was doing Troll, i waited him to finish and rushed him.
He exit the place. I did not pursue him, pursue a rogue with a druid is a dead sentence. So i did go underground to check the pile, but expecting him. I put one blue potion ready if i heard the open door.

So he did check the door. I summoned tree, pot, bear form.
He just entered there and atacked me close while i was in bear form. OMG.
After the first bear hit to the face i think he became unknow what to do and did not run from me he just tryed to evade side way the atacks, and died to 3 hits. My build was hybrid with focus on life and pdr. 30 to 40k kit. He had an 5 to 10k kit. He died to 2 hits and to did bad stuff.

[oblique phoenix]

My game has been crashing randomly all day, anyone else had similar issues

[cosmic nimbus]

and i always run into unique crystal sword boc warllock, happened 3 times in a rows, yesterday in CRYPTS, so many games, so many modules, i run into same warlock 3 times in a row get 2 shot while i have 170+ HP

[subtle heart]

Let me tell you.
Everytime i go with a 15k kit more, i became really anxious and alert. And i started to play druid because his evasiviness of combat so i dont loose too much kits.

But them i discover you can make great builds with like 5 to 10k. And grab much more than they worthy. You will also not get so anxious.
It worked with my barbarian ranger and warlock.
Druid is kinda expensive to be good. The only kit right now that drui can affort that dont cost arm and leg is if u go full panther. But you will die to anything that have more than 120 life. Like, your meta is to kill low life warlocks, wizards or just 3rd party people for the last hit kill.

With barb is good kit. toons of life damage and pdr.

[tidal plover]

Trust the vision

[wispy summit]

how do i apeal for my loot back i just lost a 20k kit to pure lag i couldn't even play

[subtle heart]

warlocks right now are op as hell. i 3rd party one with an unique crystal. omg happy to saw that crystal minimum is 4k worhy.
I tanked 1 hit with panther, the next i was going to die. But i manage to killed him.

[cosmic nimbus]

im going in landmining people GL all my time to grief, lost around 40k today

[lethal fossil]

is souls from soul collector on WL considered magical buffs?

[wispy summit]

it wasn't my internet

[naive charm]

No. Purgeshot and spell pred will not remove it.

[subtle heart]

you can do it with any class with inv pots. Also some dark spots.
Just remember to remove any pots from your quick and dont use any crystal balls. they glow on dark.

[lethal fossil]

kk

[gaunt blade]

report a bug here

[subtle heart]

did the anime got new season ? miss this anime is cool.

[cosmic nimbus]

thats the thing, i think i lose most money with the 5-10k kits, cause i can lose 5 straight in a row, meanwhile if i go bis at least i get something

[subtle heart]

what class are you playing ?
walking in biss is so intensive. even with druid, i died too many times to just a fireball to the face. or flying as rat.

[rapid reef]

why the f*ck i spawn 2 times in hell and the round is like the half over and i have to clear 5 rooms to find an exit and die because no time

[subtle heart]

yeah that is bad design. The 2 maps that are random should enter only on 0 time.

[rapid reef]

yea realy i lost 2 times now 195 Ap because of this ...

[sturdy coral]

195???

[cosmic nimbus]

mostly i play bard, then rogue and some druid/cleric

when i go bis bard at least i have chance of killinh other BIS people

[rapid reef]

yes im Exemplar 2 and the entrance Fee is 195 Ap

[steady fable]

anyone else unable to parry nightmare skeleton guardsman with longsword? I aim in the same spot every time but their sword just goes through mine

[subtle heart]

bard u just need to kite a lot.
ms / true ph / life and pdr

I would use survival bow and rapier and shield. You counter almost everything with that. Shield counter bear druid rapier counter panther. Survival bow kite anything with true phys
The thing is you just to to see wich one is less expensive to every slot.

[wheat fractal]

Anyone else find sorcs uncatchable and unkillable?

[naive charm]

Sorc is a slow class. Just bait out knock back and full commit on the chase.

[subtle heart]

Sorcerer i think is the most dificult caster to master.
Saying that yeah. If the dude know to play it, you cannot touch it.

The only way to have chance is 330ms and have something like throwing axes to lower his speed. Or chicken jump panther. But panther die to 1 sorc spell.

[subtle heart]

People are stacking damage and ms with sorcerer. cause that is the only matter as you cannot get close with so many spells cast instant and 2 at time.

[naive charm]

They are slow while casting and if you can dodge, you win.

[subtle heart]

Im build a pnather with 50mdr and like 50 agi to just grief some sorcerer. That class right now is so unbalanced. But i fear they will nerf it to the ground like they did on druid because noobs.

[jovial spindle]

whats the point of shields if i can be hit through them?

[wheat fractal]

Sorc is a slow class in base kit but they can still build high move speed in uncapped. All the gear is super light and I've tried to catch them but find they often have 318-325 Ms and if I build that Ms with a melee class I sacrifice pretty much all my PDR and hp

[plush quarry]

patch when?

[finite marten]

Druid needed the nerf no argument otherwise is justified I heard druid mains arguing that it needed a nerf

[subtle heart]

dude, they insta cast. So they are slow for lest than 1 sec they took to insta cast. And if u push, they just throw a 150 fireball to your face. the slow moving spell. To the face is not avoiadable.

[naive charm]

Are you saying that their spells are undodgeable?

[subtle heart]

I disagree with you. They nerfed too much because noobs complaing. I never saw a druid kill skinny pete or dimo in live streaming. 3rd party ? yeah normal. But 1x1 ? Nope. not a single one.
Now noobs die a lot cause mobility so yeah.

[subtle heart]

Sorcerer almost all spells have big boxes, or they are homming. So yeah. It is dificult do dodge. And they cast insta. So if you push, they can just cast something bigger on your face.

[naive charm]

Druids needed the nerf. That is 100% accurate. Being able to run from anything and reset and fight on your own terms infinitely is a major unbalance.

[wheat fractal]

They literally are tho, they can water bolt doorways both wind spells are pretty much impossible to dodge when you're close and they push you so far away. They can pillar of fire doorways. Lighting chain and fire missile are homing and lightning orb requires you to get close. Idk man to me it feels impossible

[finite marten]

They simply had more sustain than any other class you cannot possibly argue otherwise, if they misplay they just endlessly run, full heal before any other class could have possibly healed while dealing crazy dps, just genuinely think about it unbiased.

[subtle heart]

tell that to rogues or rangers who can track you and never leave you.
That is diference between classes.
But it is ok, we disagree to each other.

[subtle heart]

All forms have big sponge bodies and you cannot fight in every place with them. This is a major dificulty that people dont exploit. But when they do they win easy, cause druid is that weak.

As barbarian i losed to 3rd partie druids. But never 1x1 combat.
Bear my zwei is easy to kill it.
Panther also, But what is even easier is when they try to run i throw a 5 true phys axe to the face.

[tidal plover]

Bro is comparing skiny Pete to a 200hr shi ter player lol

[onyx holly]

How can players join with 3 same classes in high roller? Seen 3 rogues in the same team numerous times.

[blazing blaze]

He believes the game needs to be entirely balanced around the professionals only. That's the only way to have a "healthy" game in his eyes

[subtle heart]

you dont balance a class based on low skill players that dont know how to play it.
A good player will use all what is possible to win. And that will show weakness and strengh of each class. Learn about that.

[wheat fractal]

If they all solo queue with fill

[onyx holly]

I cant even que trios as solo

[tidal plover]

You have to balance it around low skill players because the average player is low skill. Catering to the unemployment squad legit got us to where we are now

[silver smelt]

tomorrow barb buffs

[finite marten]

I understand your side of the argument but druid needed that nerf, it simply had too much sustain for it to be considered balanced.

[subtle heart]

omg, that is a crazy statment.

Imagine balancing something with people that dont use some skills of the class. Dont know how to evade an atack, how to use chicken jump from druid. Or understand the side atack from zweihander have more reach if you atack side ways ?

So this game will be a complete mess and utterly shit balanced.

[random oar]

Reread what you just said, and if you find no problem with it then respectfully, go play Elmo’s letter adventure, that would be more your speed

[finite marten]

Also to be fair SkinnyPete is slightly better than your average player

[silver smelt]

Buff hardest character because noobs are bad with them so that actual skilled player will destroy eveyone with good gear.

[blazing blaze]

You don't balance for the low skill players but you also do not balance for high skill. You gotta meet in the middle

[finite marten]

^

[wheat fractal]

Did you turn on fill?

[random oar]

It’s said that this has to be said lol

[silver smelt]

Zed in League was nerfed to the ground because best players were so strong with him. Devs should always look at best players not some unskilled noobs that cry when their W-key strat doesn't work.

[visual gale]

most people are just stupid of course it has to said

[finite marten]

That game actually exist if so I gotta download asap

[random oar]

Never use league when talking about balancing 💀

[visual gale]

apparently you cant have a job and be good at games thats impossible...

[random oar]

Yeah, I had to stop playing though too many sweats

[mellow summit]

How long has it got till arena open?

[random oar]

Don’t play skill based games if you don’t want to invest in getting better. Simple as that.

[subtle heart]

no, get out.

[blazing blaze]

If you balance a game for the professional players, you won't have a player base for them to play against for very long lol. All the casual players will just leave

I'm all for people learning and improving but making a game thats designed for only the sweatiest players is just bad game design

[wheat fractal]

Or have no job and be bad

[random oar]

???. Ok bud what do you propose

[blazing blaze]

He's said it many times in here. The game needs to be balanced ONLY around players like Repoze/Skinny Pete/Dimo etc

[mellow summit]

Anyone willing to check for me? 🥲

[subtle heart]

When you see soccer, or any sport in the world.
They make rules to the average player and professional fallows or is the other way around it ?

Just that, peace.

[candid moat]

4 hours and 6 minutes

[random oar]

That has to be rage/engagement bait

[mellow summit]

Thanks a lot

[blazing blaze]

From how he talks in here, I'm fairly certain its his genuine thought process. He's allowed to think what he wants just like I am allowed to have my own opinion. He just likes to come at me all rude every time I talk

[random oar]

Apples and oranges. What an insane comparison. Chess to checkers lol

[keen ivy]

FINALY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN

[finite marten]

Dude lets party up, I can’t wait to become Elmos friend

[blazing blaze]

Those are rules.... not "balance"

[random oar]

lol

[mellow summit]

It’s not designed for the sweaty players, there’s a separation between normals and hr for a reason

[snow agate]

what time arena

[mellow summit]

5 hours from now

[subtle heart]

Rules that balance the sport omg...

You can disagree with me. But for me, you should always balance on the exemplary players. Im not pro. But i will watch pros playing and try to upgrade my gameplay based on that.

I learn a lot from good players how to counter things that i would just say NERF IT TO THE GROUND.

[naive charm]

6pm EST (GMT -5)

[naive charm]

4*

[random oar]

Well Thor whatever credibility your points had you just lost with that abysmal take lol. Can’t take any point you make seriously now

[turbid sleet]

please nerf this fucking ranger class, i swear you cant play, running a marathon and 1 arrow is -100

[mellow summit]

Sorry I meant 4

[tidal plover]

Low skill player is the average player lol, unemployment squad took that one to personal lol

[terse garden]

the game is balanced around 9 people who make pure content highlight videos on youtube and need to show off 30 kills and make it look like that's the game. Might as well remove all the PVE because everyone just spawn rushes and circles map looking for people to kill. No point dungeon crawling and looking for new gear and upgrades, because you can just go on AH and buy a BIS kit in 45 seconds and if anything is even slightly less than BIS you just socket it. Used to take a few days to scround for peices and then sit in trade chat to try and find the last couple pieces of a kit. Now, auction house, 30 seconds, BIS, PVP only.

[subtle heart]

Im glad we live in a free world and you disagree with my arguments not just take it to adhominem.

[turbid sleet]

even more with new update with gems

[mellow summit]

The good gear you’re talking about is partially only attainable from pve especially things like named weapons making bossing a very significant part of the game.

[blazing blaze]

See, I think your comparison just doesn't make sense. Classes in Dark and Darker are way different when you compare them to each other vs 2 players playing the same sport. They have the same or nearly the same skill set. Theres no perks or abilities or anything like that. It's just not a valid comparison

[blazing blaze]

Yeah I wasn't saying DnD was that way. Just simply saying if it was, no one would want to play besides the sweaty pros

[white matrix]

💪🏼

[silver smelt]

I'm not gonna play HR because the devs decided rogue is too hard for the average noob player, so they gave him 2 invis charges.

[white lance]

a crumb of patch, good sir.

[random oar]

This is a skill based game. You don’t stay low skill forever. The game doesn’t need to cater to you because you don’t want to improve. Go play a single player game if you Don’t want to improve

[red epoch]

why boss when you can wait for someone else to do it then gank em

[meager stag]

gems make the game more accessible for everyone lol

[terse garden]

game peaked at 60K palyer base, down to 12K. If anyone wants to argue about the state of the game, just look at the player count. The game has turned into a battle royal and 90% of the mechanics are ignored. It's not a dungeon crawler anymore. PVE is almost non existent because you can just go on AH and socket everything. 60K players and growing when game mechanics were fun, 12K players and shrinking because it's just a battle royal now.

[subtle heart]

Oh and players are the same ? With same skill level ? Omg ... So a dude on nba who wins 20 milions a month same as other who wins 1 milion a month u saying ?
Messi is equal to Ronaldo or Neymar ? Or A goalkeeper ?

Omg man this is blind shit...
Like i say its ok you differ opinion but your arguments are bad holy shit.

[mellow summit]

Because the majority of people can’t do wyvern or warlord

[turbid sleet]

ok but its not a dungeon crawler anymore, just call of goblins

[blazing blaze]

I would say the majority of the player base is "Average" skill level (thats sorta just how the law of averages works out), not many players are straight up low skilled tbh

[weary magnet]

how do you get the roasting chicken emote thingy

[red epoch]

and? all one has to do is get good at pvp and let some pvmer do all the work, me and the lads just did exactly that as naked skelly bois

[meager stag]

how is it not a dungeon crawler?

[silver smelt]

Barbarian is too hard for average players. Lets buff him more!!!

[tepid falcon]

is next updater tomorrow?

[turbid sleet]

after level 20 i didnt loot any chest nor mob

[meager stag]

? what does this even mean

[blazing blaze]

The rules blanket everyone in the game. Not specific players. The way you are comparing them doesnt make sense. If we took game balance and incorportated it into say, the NBA, it'd look like this : Lebron is only allowed to shoot 15 shots a game because he is a much better player than everyone else

[mellow summit]

Then that’s the problem of the guys you killed, even if you’re bossing you should be able to kill people

[red epoch]

he kills people

[turbid sleet]

you saying that tell me that you are a timmy

[marble fiber]

Can I ask for price check here? I dunno what to put up an item for and don't wanna lose out on money. Yes I did compare to marketplace prices already

[random oar]

Then just learn how to? You act like it’s impossible to improve. It took me like 5 hours to learn troll now I can do it blindfolded

[weary magnet]

whose quest leads to the roasting chicken sit down emote

[terse garden]

yah but you can just rush GK and farm skull keys and get named weapons in a relatively short amount of time. I have 300K gold worth of store and it's boring just hitting AH for a kit. The game was much more fun/engaging when 4-5K gold was A LOT and it took a while to get decent gear. it's AH simulator and battle royal. Argue all you want, but when the player base is 12K and shrinking down from 60K and growing, I'm 100% sure i'm right. the player population can't lie lol.

[mellow summit]

That is the argument I’m making

[meager stag]

that doesnt make the game not a dungeon crawler just because he runs around is squire kits killing people in norms

[red epoch]

lol no, normaly the moment you stop looking at the thing that can one hit you, its normaly game over its not an if its a when

[hidden jay]

hi, does anyone have a route guide for the tailor interact with 3 shrines of health quest??

[turbid sleet]

i agree with youy

[random oar]

Ok I must have taken your statement out of context then

[random oar]

Look up interactive forgotten castle map on google

[mellow summit]

I agree, I do miss when it was like that, 5k gold is insignificant now

[hidden jay]

its not working for me q-q

[random oar]

Wdym it’s not working for you?

[hidden jay]

not loading, site is stuck

[mellow summit]

You can also wait at one health shrine for most of the game and get at least two uses from it

[meager stag]

using the 60k number is disingenuous cause thats when it launched on steam again you are never gonna hold on to a player count like that when most of them are trying the game out and then never logging back in

[hidden jay]

oh, they respawn??

[subtle heart]

DUDE LAST TIME I EXPLAIN, i will consider your case lost. In fact i already consider but lets explain the best i can.

Rules in sport. Is the same as rules in the balance in game.

You play with the rules devs give to you in this game.
In sport, you play by the rules oficial federations give you.

A good player is a good player, a bad player is a bad player.
Saying that.
Neymar footballer, was always stoping before shooting in a penaulty. He is top player he abused that he could do that. So the federation nerf it. The federation sayed that you cannot stop before shooting.
He did that because he knew all rules and he abuse it that.

With a game work same way.
A good player will abuse any advantage it have to win fights. So you can see if the SO CALLED RULE OR CLASS in the game is balanced or not.

And bad player or average will not do that. So you cannot balanced based on them because mostly they will not abuse something they could always like a good player would do.

More than than i would need to make anime or manga to explain omg...

[mellow summit]

Bottom left of the map, the room with the slimes and skeletons around a path with trees, and the worm below

[random oar]

Bard and warlock is the strongest duo in the game rn change my mind

[terse garden]

The games popluation is 12K peak at the literal start of the new rank season. The devs want to make the game they want, and don't seem to mind that they took away the game that the PLAYERS wanted. It's true SDF can do what he wants and create his vision, I will be cool realizing his vision with 6K players, 15 of them are streamers having fun, 5500 of them are hacking, and less than 500 are normal legit players who are tryiing the game out and likely won't play for more than a week lol. game is dead. move on.

[hidden jay]

ty!

[subtle heart]

healer druid and demon warlock seens to be very strong.

[meager stag]

there was literally 20k in game last night you arent using correct numbers if youre only going off steamcharts lol

[keen perch]

game aint dead at all lmao

[mellow summit]

I think cleric and a fighter with a pavise could kill then but warlock is very strong rn

[limber badge]

you seem upset

[exotic sluice]

Will there be a patch today ?

[random oar]

Apples to oranges bud. Rules don’t change. Game balancing changes all the time, and will never be perfect due to changing factors in the game.

[silver smelt]

Yes sir you are right unlike some average players

[meager stag]

says the one yapping in the games discord

[mellow summit]

Do keep in mind the game is still technically in early access

[random oar]

The duo is so good because warlock can farm free shards from bard without having to use that perk slot

[subtle heart]

OH MY GOD, RULES DONT CHANGE ? HOLY SHIT, this must be a dream. Im in the movie idiocracy...

[vague dew]

Why we still don't have sorting and sorting by attributes/slot in stash?