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and especially if ur plate fighter kiting ur felling swing would be easy
youd get spaced by any decent player
nu uh
Idk how arrogant can you be ironmace to let the barb be the best class since release full speed running high hp high dmg iron will and much more thats so disgusting no matter what class im gonna play W key holders will rush me anyway
uve stumped me
Does extra luck make a difference?
tisot died to a hatchet barb im calling it and no luck is a scam dont waste ur time
Skill issue
barb player?
johnny plays barb calling it
I played barb last season. Now i switch between rogue, wizard and bard
w
literally 3 times today since i came back to play some games
I kill more barbs on rogue than barbs kill me so idk
Yeah clerics can counter bear Druids pretty well
When do the next quests come out?
its a plague in solos and rogue can out dps anything if u play hide like a freak and get the jump on someone
yes. However, luck decreases frequency of white/green, increases frequency of blue/purple, but legendary/unique comparatively is still pretty low drop chance even at high luck. best way to go IMO is to get luck and hit inferno, you get the extra Luck from going down 2 times
how do they compare to barb
quests are out at 12 tonight
Nerf barbarian, too fast
fax hide rouge can slam barb also multishot ranger but wheres the fun at?
Barbarian is broken, devs need to nerf the speed
fun is at bard the only skillfull class... everyone main bard pls so i can survive the dungeon
Its easy getting a jump on barbs tho, doesn’t take playing like a freak. Barbs have high hybris and are cocky, they maie more mistakes than any other class cause of this
Bard only skillful class is a crazy take, not everyone wants to play dance dance revolution to get buffs
they make mistakes bc bad players play barb and u can make 10 mistakes and still live
Bard vs barb usually ez bard win as well
Poke with couple arrows, have buffs and smack with rapier like crazy = good bye barb
only if you switch to ranger mode at the beggining of the fight
Is there a way to quick stash items to a certain stash instead of the first one?
When the sorcerer will be nerf ?
This is common sense, you use ur bow at beginning of fight what ever class u play against, its part of bard playstyle
i use crossy bows are lame
If you are accurate sure
can't be any more or less accurate with the crossy than a bow.. lol
i kill barbs when i play perfectly. i just hate making one mistake and losing bc of it
HR Hell loot and Norms Hell loot are the same its fckn crazy
When new quests?
yeah except one has giga loot from players, and one doesn't
thats jus not true hr boss can drop a name norms cant
just trying to find some mint shits impossible the loot is horrid 
ive had trouble too just find a legendary and socket it bro
everyone always giga looted when i play, why i always die :(
Well thats why you get pushed, bows decrease movement speed when you are shot. A good bard can slow you down through most of your rage while shooting you. Crossbow are basically a free excuse to push after your first shot, the reload is a huge opening.
Where do I find poor surgical kits
Yeah also luck is a fckn scam ive had like 350-400 luck at one point and didnt get shit
Yeah don't bother, the luck stat is a joke, only part that matters is 0 > luck potion
Anyone know when quests are added next??
well i dont reload it when they can catch be its for burst dmg u shoot it once then engage u dont reload in sb face thats stupid
probably today
Treasure hoard is much better in HR
For mint gear? Ive never really found anything for my class in a pile before
Somewhat better loot, maybe better loot from players, annoying enemies tho 🤔
Sorc nerf when holy frock
Anyone know how much a death loom and a life after death is worth?
Thank youuuuu fam
Brey sorc just used a spell, and walekd up a ladder still casting it, and it hit scanned me
Ah. I was thinking in terms of jewelry and royal gems. Those royal gems go for a lot. Also 4 royal bangles will be required for the treasure chest quest this season
boss and hoard are way better in hr. ive got half a stash tab of high rarity gems from jus grinding hr bosses and hitting pile
what? how you know bruh i've sold so many.
And norms pile has only a 0.5% drop chance for one of the bangles
Might try ice abyss for some mint gear see if its any better
Ice abyss always has better gear for me lmao
hr abyss gear is noice
There is a quest tracker website that shows what will be required. Not sure if I’m allowed to say the methods they used here xD
lmao bet ill give it a shot why not
Dam really think I just sold a bunch of them rip lol
Could always hit the Hr piles in castle and ice that don't need bosses, gotten good stuff from there
The quest tracker website is subject to change tho. It’s not necessarily set it stone
and since gems are socket items now they couldnt keep it the same
They shoulda just made bro require 4 ultimate treasure
This is the primary reason, yep
well finding the piles on crypts is annoying with the randomization
ice would just be more efficient
I’ve just been farming Hr Ic, but it’s always such a pvp fiesta lol
true, ice abyss is right there, always same spot, can isolate the mobs pretty easy, lot of people rush it though, got good drops there from players, and have given good egar my self.. albeit not by choice
Anyways I would link the quest tracker website in a DM later when I’m home, can’t link it here
s'okay, sure IM devs won't bother like they don't bother with half the stuff still broken 
And like I said it’s subject to change, so imo just hoard all the royal bangles
ive already got them all
I always hoard royals, gotta have one of everything..
Nice, I’m just missing the dotted one
looks pretty in the stash anyways
The dotted royal bangle seems to have an extremely low drop chance in norms. Gotta play stinky HR
im honestly bored without quests to do i finished all but nicholas and now i just farm troll pelts all day its getting tiring
stinky hr lolz i play 224 to stay away from the gold buyers lolz
Fair enough 224 is still pretty sweaty
yea it is but at least if im the better player i usually win
But at least you can throw a halfway decent kit together without breaking the bank
facts i never spend mre than 3 or 4k
What the… how much you got?! Bruh
well depends on the kinda day im having
after last night im rather broke for my liking
Meanwhile I’m over here just throwing on random garbage for 224 lmao
Fr like a 300g legendary kit
gotta comete with the min maxers dude if i dont have 5 true at least i feel weak
ran into RUSHFROG, ofc he played like a sweaty kid, and then he went down to the next level and died to sorc and rage quit to League lmfao
I love DND
WHERE FOUR ROUTES ON INCE CAVES?
It’s the elevator room top of map
its the elevator room yea
Feel that. First 225+ game I run into full BIS pestilence ranger lol
some idea... turn the Gathering Hall into a place where you can post a group or join a group which is looking for others...
thatd be good for ppl who dont have consitent teamates
nobody uses gathering hall anymore 😭 used to be able to find pugs so easy
hey vision i think the gathering hall is exactly what you said…
QUESTS PLS
I still think we need the plaza / training ground area Terrence mentioned months ago
buff druid back nerf barbars. increasse gs of onehanded epics legendarys and uniques
delete sorcerer from game.
fix your continous dungeons, joining a 8 min game is senseless
what the FUCK is a pugs ok
pick up group s
I wish there were ppl who play with artifacts on eu server
tried to get my new friend into highrollers so we went into his first 224 lobby and we instantly ran into soul scraper, pestilence duo and he doesnt play highroller now
Is a patch dropping today?
buy all 1 handed weapons legendary or unique & resell for aton of gold. let this meele pay for this build but pay a lo
I didnt specify that on solo mode cause i mostly play there
Rogue nerf needed TODAY, lobbies once again just filled with Rogues, they are like an infestation that is rotting the game's core gameplay, let us be heard! End the Rogue pandemic and nerf them into the ground! Repeat my message if you care about the game and are fed up with the Rogue pandemic!
Das how it goes das how it goes
Day 2 of wipe in a <124 i was already running into minmaxed druids
Anyone knows the names of the artist of the official splasharts in game? such as the one with the deer staring at the player or the guys falling of the bridge and so on?
Can i still play on the blacksmith launcher? I haven't played in like a year
Barb nerf needed TODAY, lobbies once again just filled with Barbs, they are like an infestation that is rotting the game's core gameplay, let us be heard! End the Barb pandemic and nerf them into the ground! Repeat my message if you care about the game and are fed up with the Barb pandemic!
Barb nerf needed TODAY, lobbies once again just filled with Barbs, they are like an infestation that is rotting the game's core gameplay, let us be heard! End the Barb pandemic and nerf them into the ground! Repeat my message if you care about the game and are fed up with the Barb pandemic!
Please use #the-tavern channel to post your rants and do not spam in this channel
Tis not a spam if it is the truth my friend, IM must do something about this stupid infestation of Rogues
asking for GAME nerfs in GAME discussion?
failed to connect , quit the game.
how to fix it ?
It's not even the Rogue class, it's their perks and abilities, Ambush, Hide is WAY too strong and SDF goes and gives them ANOTHER hide! Like What in the actual frick! How is THAT balanced?
Please listen to instructions from moderators and don't discuss them further, repeated messages including rants are to be discussed in #the-tavern channel. Please do not continue further.
nice try
Guy felt to much with warden role
Mods, this is a game discussion channel and you're telling me to not discuss the game? C'mon now!
sooooooooo... was all that a yes or no? 👁️ 👄 👁️
got a green torch and a sparkly cape so they gotta moderate the server!
Yes i only play on blacksmith
Thanks, you're the goat 🐐
blacksmith is unreliable now in my opinion i still use it because i cant be bothered to switch but its useable
XiJinChad always with helpfull hand
Whats wrong with it specifically, unreliable is vague
General chat was more entertaining than the game, it had to go.
Respect for ballin out but holy shit lol, can be a lil demoralizing
Can someone tell me how the equipment works in arena?
Do I lose it when I lose the game or something?
I dont know really my friends who also use it experience way more game crashes or failures to startup and download speeds can vary from normal speeds to 70 minutes for a 5 gig update
It is not a rant when it is the damned truth, the fact is Rogue are a damn plague in this game and the wise SDF goes and gives them a massive buff, answer my question, how is that balanced? How does that make sense? The lobbies are literally FILLED with Rogues and Barbs making the game extremely lopsided, it's stupid and not thought out at all, just answer my question instead of trying to shut me down!
wardens have no control over gameplay they are just normal players with 2 exclusive skins thats all
So you don't know for sure, thanks for the heads up tho- i already have eh internet so I wanted to check before I downloaded
I get that, but he's telling me to not discuss the game in a game discussion channel.....
You are asking people to repeatedly post your message, thats not allowed. End of discussion. Please stop.
And this answer is EXACTLY what I am talking about, NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE GAME
Anyone had the bug during the steam outage 2 days ago that their account flea market timer was reset back to 72hrs?
dawg- im not even gonna lie- it aint that deep, you're getting heated on discord over nothing really
nah just timeout this guy fr 
Ok lil bro
only people that say that are under the age of 18 my guy, kinda cringe tbh
Glad to see you're all OK with Rogue just taking a massive turd on the game and nobody actually cares, nice.
brain rot of a clap back
Rogue is not that terrible, please calm down.
I want exclusive skins
You are not worth responding to, now sit down and be quiet
nah you got a purple name thats good enough
says the guy typing in all caps about pixels
Are updates on two week schedules now?
i needs a stick skin
we got a snowy lantern skin is that not enough!
lantern is for weird people
sup all, was playing trios in castle, 1 surviving party member took my heart to res me on the second lvl, but when he loaded in the heart was gone. is it intentional?
Its a bug, can't take hearts to next floor atm
don’t think so i had same problem tho
you cant rez a floor down
2/3 of all skills/perks/spells completely useless. why u even added them? its just 100% useless and u just 100% dont trying to make them better. rogue tumble - what is this?? a u rly serious? for what is this? its 100% useless (comparing to other skills that everybody run cus other perks just cant give u enough to win anybody .1 build for everyone, only illusion of choice)
yea same thing happened to me i think they made it that way
for fun
ty all!
well my illusion of choice is fun as fuck
its not rly funny when u spend resourses of a company on perk that mobody uses more than 5 min in a life
fighter has 100%usefyll perks
do we know what season 5 rewards are
ahhh 5 minutes to code a thing in game all the resources are fucking gone ahhhh
tumble gaming
not every perk/skill will be meta or the best why are you complaining ?
i dont rly know how to answer u. what is this that ure saying lol?) its just trash just trash. just useless. not non-meta but useless
bro's never been styled on by the tumble double jump
Of all the classes you want to complain about, you choose rogue. They’re not that oppressive
Just say you lack the brain power to utilize such useful perks/skills such as Druids herbal sensing
ive seen people try that. a bonk to the skull with the maul works against it
nerf druid herbal sensing actually its so broken
ahahaahh true i forgot about this. 100% skill issue just non-meta for now yeah
paaaaaaaaaaaaatttcccccccccchhhh
why you mad that alot of skills arnt used?
it doesn't make much sense to rage about the worthiness of flavor skills

Some skills arent even tried that much fun fact rogue tumble scales with action speed so get a bard song going and you get insta rolls
You've bankrupt Ironmace. How does it feel?
cus i love the idea. and i hate how they polish meta shit builds that runs everybody. its 100% stupid and boring. i want tumble and i have skill be sure, but its just useless in comparing. why u dont rage about game be not flexible? u like it?
terrible just terrible now they lack the ability and resources to nerf herbal sensing
do the crypt bosses spawn in different rooms everytime or something? no maps show where the boss arena is
meta builds are easy as shit to fight. most of the people running them are people like you who prob havent seen a mouse before :)
i think the game is flexibale if youre a 1 trick pony thats not my fualt lmao
yeah yeah try to continue repeat ur favorite "skill issue" boy
the game is flexible u just suck
you must be rage baiting
are more quests dropping today?
Nah, it's really not.
within an hour or two most likely
when arena comes out
so people just join games to hide near an extract now? lol
go do tubmle build against fighter/druid/bard or someone else
i dont play as the rat class. i play bonk
Gotta extract with that single oil lantern
i am now camping exits just to take that lantern from you
I guess so, but it seems more like people just trying to get kills / ez loot at an extract cuz they garbo
Can you bring in uniques into arena?
no
whos bright idea was it to re-introduce +1 all attributes as a stat for a green ring
i see. so u must know that on ur bonk u have 1 W button, no matter which build u have 1 playstyle, 1 "tactic", 1 button. so u can just try to go this tumble man. spoiler - if u have it u dont have invis or dont have damage. think what is must have here tumble damage or invis
That’s how it’s always been. Rangers camping with windlass. Rogue camping last portal. Druid rats 3rd partying. Ppl always gonna find the easiest way
i do bonk on all classes. i have many options
so mb u have bonk on rogue? or bard?
i bonk on bard. reinforced instruments exists for a reason :)
Drum, lute, pickaxe, fists, fuck even the flute. dude the list doesnt really go on actually
close to center
pickaxe dont do bonk >:(
yes it does its not sharp so it bonks
nope. it does poke
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! PICKAXE HITS ORE IN RETURN MAKES IT DULL LIKE YOUR HEAD!!!!!
it pokes the ore
can you let me win
no. i never lose
Please keep this channel as game discussion, thank you
we literally are discussing the game dave
pickaxe does not bonk ore. it pokes it right. like its not classed as a stick in the files
neither do the instruments checkmate bud
check the wiki on what the lute is classed at under weapons :)
is it allowed to kill gk together in hr? with randoms solo
naur nope especially in solos
shouldnt be, but people do it so often anyways. i usually report it cus i have often seen that if you attack one of them the other helps them out, so even if they arent activly teaming, they are working together
people keep doing it
Not in hr
sounds like a job for #in-game-reports
love this fucking game honestly its so good! mfw i kill three people and then more just keep comming and i get 3rd partied and ratted for the 50th time
Teaming is wide spread now with continuous dungeon. Only thing you can do is report with evidence
report it to the plastimace and wait 9 months for the response, yeahs ure i will do it
its not even teaming they are just sitting there waiting for me too fight someone else and then when im low they come in cause they cant play the game properly
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
funny how you can still write tp other players in the lobby after dying, giving information like living players position and gear, cheats built into the game since like 9 months at this point
they should just rename the game to 3rd party honestly
party and partier ^3
barb and sorcer is better
true
just killed a barb with a gk in normal goblin caves how did he even get that?
idk champion?
yeah champ exists in gc
oh ye forgot about that
If the alternative is doing nothing and accepting that you gotta team or be teamed on, then I’d rather report and wait 9 months still
a full gestation period eh
unpickable torches are the new anti-rogue mechanic love to see it
Give us a marketplace mobile app I need to sell shit while I’m at work lol
no fabrics today yet but i keep finding decent legendaries for arena :x i'll take it
im starting to feel bad for the cave troll bro cant get a minute of peace :c
12,903
playing 45 min ago games back in its state before wipe LMAOOOO dead and deader
depends what sever you on pretty late on a work night for oce players
always excuses for something, "tHe TiMe iS tHe prOBlEm" then that time comes and its worse or the same LMAOOO
Imagine wanting the game to be bead so bad you complain about it on the discord and try and convince people that somehow 13k is dead.
once this game gets a proper competitor its so over
its gonna get worse and worse HAHAHAHA
Its 22k in the actual game, ppl playing on epic and blacksmith too
not an excuse but a fact? im just saying timezones and sever population differs during the day at this time theres not many players on usually for my region anyway
It's gotten better and better? It's been trending up per wipe. Don't listen to the doom sayers. Been around this game for a long time.
no new quests today?
in 10 hours, from what ive seen so far it releases together with arena cycle
aids
Nah. Ultra niche market. It’d have to be an absolute banger of a game to drown DaD out
This game is ass and dead
facts
true, but the game fundamentally has many issues and the devs dont play their own game
The devs do play I thought? They told us they play
What do you guys do with the gold? I have 20k idk what to do
What happen to general chat?
the devs figured out how to break discord too while updating dnd
people were prolly too toxic lol
dead and deader
Smdh that’s tough as fuck they deleted there most populated channel in the discord
Changed to #the-tavern
Please keep this chat related to the game discussion, rants and anything else are to be posted in #the-tavern channel
what was wrong with general chat?
oh btwm while you are at it, remove mummy spiders, they are way to buggy for the game
take that back right now
the name change makes no sense like most things copperspoon does
i dont understand this discontinuing cross-platform msg. does this mean that blacksmith players cannot vs steam/epic players?
Devs play hundreds of hours per wipe.
Idk how some of this shit get through but mis info is just dumb
Yeah the devs told us they play I don't think they are lying
imo they should just revert the changes to the crypt's and inferno
The game isn't dead though right?
ironmace maybe gonna patch their game today or just more madrinas coffee sponsors ?
no
Its dying slowly but surely
This is the fate of every p.d
they had to give it away for free and the player count is still lower than blacksmith XD
Is odd isn't it
What the player count is?
Please use #the-tavern channel for topics like that
But did they forget about it? There hasn't been a patch in a while
Yeah it is man
I dont think so really. They are still doing patches right? As long as it's patching still I don't think it will die out completely
because epic games is shit
hi guys im new here, i just started the game and people are killng me in instance, im lvl 1 and they are abow lvl 100 what should i do
patch hasn't beed out for a whole year what are they doing
Barb and barber is really such a fun game yay so glad IM won the lawsuit
Grind 😂

that's a pretty good joke
bruh wharrado in front of 3 lvl 100+ with equipment
Play it safe, avoid making too much noise, listen to your surroundings to see if People are aproaching, get used to the game, then once you are comfortable with the PVE, then start being noisy and harrass your fellow adventurers
Get better (do pve, get to level 20, do quests, understand grades of armor, pips/rolls and understand basic player vs player interaction like spacing, damage control, protection/healing items and much more. I’d suggest reading the wiki for anything you don’t know.)
whats even the point of having shit like demonform when it just sucks and bearly even playable? if druid gets insta shapeshift let lock have it too, druid allso doesnt have a constant hp drain when in tank form, like there are multiple spells in this game that are never used cus they are just to bad lol, and then you have sorc that has so many good spells that they cant even fit them all, why give them such a kit and then have the other classes only have one or two viable ways of gameplay? like TM locks
But yeah game isn't dying goo much I don't think
Buffball demonform still good tho
boc hybrid is goated
whats that? isnt that just TM with boc?
Hey staff I don't know why you warned me when several people were talking about the same thing
quests up?
except for when people just take 2 steps back and youre useless and just drain hp, and then you gotta do the whole cast time again before being usefull?
there isnt runing option and every time even if we stay at spwan point people find us and its done, we cant even pve
Thats why you have a bard and a cleric 🫡
nah dont use tm
we are 1 pladin wizard and warlock
You could call a knight i guess
kinda what im talking about tho lol, youre locked into certain playstyles cus other stuff is just horrbile. if you need 2 other classes for yours to even work then idk man, seems way to bad
There is way too much good gear in the game. With the addition of socketing, the dungeon recovery system, and the higher drop rates there is just too much really good gear.
Minmaxing is kind of the point of a loot crawler
Yes but it's also a game which part of the fun is trying different builds.
depends on what people wanna do, socketing gives that freedom ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe its a bit weak this whipe i dont play it
Wouldn't an abudance of gear more easily allow different builds and play styles since you can find the rolls you want for your odd or different build?

its a good thing. helps the timmys get gear so theyre not struggling 24/7/365
who else has 216 hours lock on market place?
I dont think you « need » to have cleric and bard but buffball is just too strong in this Game, its meta but u can maybe find a way
I just feel the socketing system is really good and we don’t need the increased drop rates anymore.
What do you guys do with gold i have so much of it idk ehat to do
Condense it into gold bars/keys/gems
whats buffball?
Invest in items
We are talking about the meta here lol.
One carry + 2 supports
if youre asking, then you dont have that much
Uhh(?) Then your point doesn’t really make sense to me
So no patch today ?
if you kill an AI counting towards a quest does it give it to everyone in ur team aswell ?
CAN be wizard bard cleric , bard cleric barbarian , wizard bard barbarian etc..
I've noticed teh dungeon recoveery system really removes pretty much all punishing mechanics from this game. i've had thousands of gold saved by that system and while it's nice, it does feel a little too easy.
what about solo play then?
Yerp
20k and i don't know what to do
Buy gear
I prob have 200k worth of stuff and that aint shit. people have millions and millions worth of shit
I have 700k gold in items, just invest into items.
Solo is disgusting actually 75% of players are barbarians with hatchet 😭
so the lich quest coming up probs easiest in trios if u can hold down the room
yup, and still they dont see the problem
another patchless week
Suppose so, not sure if it works on bosses though double check that
the week isn't even over yet 😐
they wanna make sure people buy the game to get a sorc before they nerf it
Barbarian dominâtes under 225 lobbys after it can be discussed
What happened
Yeah that’s what I was trying to say there’s to many crutches right now. I think they should remove the recovery system and lower drop rates, but increase gem drop rates and let us build our gear. Idk just my opinion.
nah they dominate after too in buffball. barb has been a problem since day 1
We were speaking about solos
i feel like i see them all over, keep seeing full hippo barbs with max movespeed and a hatched, unkillable speedy gonzales
WTF SORCERER DELETE THAT SHIT CLASS, he cann pee on me with his electric whip through walls ironmace you suck !
I feel like that’s a horrid idea solely because then this just becomes a build game not a loot crawler, you’re literally changing the genre
solos, duos, trios. doesnt matter. theres always been a barb problem
Are the DAD servers down ?
hopefully
The gear drops are good right now. He'll rares sell just as much as legendary. My issue is it doesn't feel like the devs want to address class balance or more over the meta. Changing gear instead. I want to see unused perks and skills get buffed and for once maybe barb not be the best while also being the easiest to play.
I think when u got good gear above 225 u can delete a barbarian easly
That’s how the game was before? And it was the same genre minus the gem system?
did anyone else have to wait 216 hours to use legendary status privileges??
I feel like luck needs to be apart of it, sure socketing is a fun way of replacing unused stats but the entire point shouldn’t depend on it
you havent ever fought a bis barb with 220 hp and 60% pdr and mdr
but then they have goo gear too thom and they have max health, max speed, max pdr, tons of MR from perk, immune to knockback, rage button, slow, tons of dmg
The game right now is all barbs and bards thats it
Were you here for patch 69?
yeah the problem is most barbs dont run bis kits because you just need a good wep and some blue gear then you 2 tap people
One patch everyone talks about Barb being broken, the next patch we're playing Kite and Kiter. Repeat ad infinitum
he mentioned above 225 so were talkin bis because theres usually no in between unless its a timmy
This is why you don't believe everything you read in general chat lol
Apply for a job there I guess, I'm sure you'll do great.
Rare gear does not sell as well as legendary, it's all about rolls now. Rarity doesn't matter that much. Unless you're playing solos only which will never be balanced barb is not the best class. I'd say it's pretty balanced compared to previous wipes for trios, which they are balancing for. Been here since PT3
I did bro cleared few euw streamers and their artifact with off-meta comps. Barbarian with that kind of gear dont catch a bis rogue or a bis ranger
I’m talking about before that
thats fair honestly. most solo barbs I run into are in pis gear with like 1-2 on roll purps
I think its doable personally I struggle more under 225 than above with barbe
When Barb beats Kiting the Kiters complain. When Kiting beats Barb the Barbs complain. No matter what someone is in here complaining.
facts
Correct, and at the end of the day it's all just a skill issue
Thats just a problem with discord overall, everyones complaining
they keep talking about wanting shorter TTK's tho for some reason, yet they base the whole game around movespeed where people just run away most the match and drag out fights
Kiting takes braincells, playing barb doesn't
Nothing in this game takes braincells
I would say hands
Okay so druid is balanced then because it’s the best at kiting /j
Let's not go crazy, kiting is a pretty simple concept in gaming
Lets all just quit the game for a while so the devs can wake up
guys if something from the goblin buy off him can i use it in arena and not lose it?
No
I dont think so
You will lose it
lately it rly just seems like they put all their effort into making sorc and just abandoned the rest of the game, sorc has way to extensive kit, its harder yes but when you get it down you have a counter for allmost evrything it seems like, why even have other classes when the one class has more going for it than all the other ones combined, barb is mostly just rage and run, warlock is mostly just TM and run
I've quit for now, not by choice tho. I'm one of the unlucky people that got stuttering after last hotfix every 30 seconds so I can't play 😦
why arena is not open everyday ? just for us to warm up ?
Been here sense ea seasons. The game is in a good state. I just want the devs to stop with the new classes and maps just flesh out the shit we have. More perks and skills will break the meta, also BREAK THE META, nurff sprint for once Or rage. Re work barb, give him a rage meter to use skills.
if its allways out people get tired of it and then they dont have anyone playing the game anymore
I like this idea
Hard to really balance things when so many pieces are missing imo. You balance everything perfectly then add new gear or new classes, or new perks, now you gotta start over. It's not that simple. That's just me tho. I think they just gotta keep going
agreed, all the time they put into sorc with the massive kit that has everything coudlv been used to fix other problems, like how alot of perks in the game never gets used cus its just so bad lol
There is a freaking wisp in the tavern, someone kill it
Yeah and let Barbs use arming swords instead of just viking swords and let barbs have ranged abilities like handcrossbows or windlass or anything like every other class.
is the wipe in 6 days or is that when the season starts? just hopped back on after a long break
It was called Multiclass
That's when the season starts.
awesome thanks
how long til next wipe?
No multiclass was the dumbest thing in this game. Can you imagine a druid or fighter or ranger with Sorc abilities and spells? So F'ing stupid, dont ever mention multiclass again
damn this dude angry af, traumatized from multiclass xD
lmao your not special bud maybe you need to takea break
What you described was Barbs having Arming Swords and Crossbows. That was Multiclass.
when was the last wipe?
where can i find roadmap for D&D? or something similar?
That's every game. Just think about it. And no other dev decides oh well we can't balance this section of the game becuse I think this other section could be better. They do both, minor adjustments. Why is it that the gear stops us from buffing party maker? Or that stupid herbal perk? Give double herbs easy, buffed. It's complicated sure but there are lots of easy easy wins to be had here and this doesn't even feel like all the perks and skills we should have.
Check annoucements for exact date, was a couple weeks ago.
Don't nerf sprint wtf
Or in your words, "REWORK" Barb so they have ranged and a "rage meter"
Nerf sprint and give it to cleric
There's a reason Barb doesn't have ranged
ya cuz cleric isnt strong at all rn 👍
Where the new patch at?
Sprint already got nerfed hard and then buffed to a usable extent
Melee cleric do speed bonk
Sdf about to drop bolas for barbs
Functionally already have that
What's the reason? Because Fighters do? Druids have Bear form to 1 shot people and they have range.
give demonform a way to be viable
I think part of the barb stick is that he sucks at ranged. But maybe this should be reconsidered as it means putting crazy power into his melee
Stick. Evil bonk
press x, run away, come back when demonform is over
Yea but imagine 40 in a backpack with no cooldown cause heaven for bid we have a cap on ranged utility
Could you imagine not taking sprint? You have to take it 100% of the time. I think this sould be looked at.
If they changed the animation on viking sword so its not one motion and the easiest weapon to block, it wouldnt be so bad.
viking sword is the best weapon in the game tho
Taking sprint 100% of the time is a result of the meta, not a result of the ability
Or you can choose not to, it’s upto you, yes it’s broken but you don’t have to take it
Plus, I already don't take sprint in Arena

nah have you seen how inconsistent hatchet is? hatchet windup is like 500 frames so you dont start hitting till the weapon is forward shit is crazy to block
Not sure if there's much of a difference between the two. If something was useless in the meta of the game I think it's hard to argue it's still balanced.
The gamemode where you don't gotta move between modules ?! You smart asf bro
This was my comment earlier, sure I can, but the amount of fights I would then lose would make the game far less fun. And yes I have not taken sprint before but I like to try stuff.
I understand what you're getting at. I'm not sure what's going on in the office, but as far as I can tell they still need a lot of content to keep the game population stable. I think that's their main concern, people have short attention spans and doing QOL or Balance adjustments don't feel like actual changes to the game. I think their plan to rapid fire different types of content to keep attention is good enough until they figure out how the majority of players want the game. I agree it's not super enjoyable if you're playing it day after day, but if you're looking at the long term I think it works best for keeping the game alive and funded. I personally am very happy with the state of the game.
does anyone know if there is a way to play on the test servers anymore? I have the game on steam now and I don't see the option to do it if there still is one
Hatchet is fine, give barb a shield with it then, let hatchet be a primary weapon
Adrenaline Rush, Victory Strike, and Taunt are all good skills, but they don't mean shit if you can't catch up to the enemy. Which was made even harder by then getting knockbacks for some reason
45 ms will always be super powerful, how would you fix that?
Taunt had to be nerfed.
they messed with the animation of the weapon and its crazy how dumb the thing is. its basically a thrust weapon
When is the next patch ??
I have played 400 games and I still can't find the 4 rooms location
Give barb bolas
I heard hatchet goes through shields right now?
That’s the point, you will lose fights because you’re not complying with the meta. You get satisfaction after you beat a metamancer with an off meta build
im not sure of the scruples of that statement
400 hundo games
One handed Fighter weapons are typically -20 or -25 MS, with shields usually between -10 to -18 MS. Two handed Fighter weapons are usually around -30 to -45MS
Usually when playing Fighter your primary weapon will weigh you down at least by -30MS
Patch today? Saint Nicholas still here
give warlocks instatransform like druids have, why not
is arena gonna change or is it still only minted gear?
the issue with it is the wind up animation doesn't max the actual animation so you are mid swing and there are no hitboxes untill its basically Infront of you giving the illusion of hitting thorugh shields and long swords but its really just the hitbox being activated midswing
10/10 reply thank you
yeah lets perm ban people for using a dup that you guys accidentally created and then shift the blame to the players/customers who paid you money for the game
Sprint is genuinely one of the single strongest skills in the whole game, used on every single fighter build without fail, being taken over 40% free healing.
How do you want this thing buffed
sounds like someone got cought duping x3
holy crap it's the guy who duped the Life After Death
i keep getting failed to connect to sever any clue whats going on?
I would have tested it out but im deep in the throes of testing out new crystal sword on the spell blade classes
Someone help. What can you craft with bat wings and why are they so expensive right now?
Video by "Oggieson " if your curious. I alos tested it earlier in the wipe and its crazy how bad it feels
nope just think its absolute bullshit that that is how they handle that type of situation
golden coin pouch
My game full on lagged out in the middle of match and I had to restart, luckily I survived when it re-synced.
I never said I wanted it buffed, I said it shouldn't be nerfed because it's a slight Ms buff for 2 seconds, then it offsets your weapon for 2 seconds, then it's just completely negligible
Is that really it? That's all that's making it so expensive?
yeah ill check it out! Thanks again, love having hitbox hurtbox knowledge.
+30 ms is not "negligible" 💀
Counter attack perk does not work with hand block, IRONMACE
I never SAID it was negligible, I said +15 is negligible.
30 Ms only offsets your weapon though
why is demonform and dark offering even in the game when its so bad? sure lets spend all the time making sorc with a massive kit that does everything but heal, and then just leave the other classes with a bunch of stuff thats useless
I'm pretty sure they were very light handed with dupers previously, and warned that bans would be handed out multiple times. I have no sympathy for someone choosing to dupe when the method is something you have to go out of your way to do.
yup prices of items that can hold more gold are always very inflated espeically at the start of wipe so all the items u need for crafting them are also hella expensive
You said negligible after 2 seconds, after 2 seconds it drops from +45 to +30
I'm happy with the game relative to where it was. But adding another map is not the go. And if swimming sucks the backlash... and the thing is people still just grind crypts for gear and get bored again. If they made ice caves a 3 layer like FC then I could see the vision but looks to be another stand alone map, why? Some thing that would keep it interesting the full force on the random dungeons and more so for random mob spawns and chest, that would Make the repayable way higher then another stand alone map that people will ignore for crypts, just look at ice caves. Also cool idea is in game events, how about a shrine of combat that summons mobs or inversely a shrine of sacrifice that needs mobs to be killed near it to activate.
When kris warlock?
"slight Ms buff for 2 seconds, then it offsets your weapon for 2 seconds, then it's just completely negligible"
theyre gonna pull the pubg move just release more maps instead of fixing the game a classic
yeah starts his message out with "im pretty sure..." youre a joke dude
making maps is like like the worst thing they can spend their time on
This just means I want to take sprint more?
15 ms is negligible yet a +5 pair of boots will run you a lot of gold, why would people pay so much for a "negligible" amount of speed
Because 15 is NOT negligible, and when combined with frannys let's you catch whoever you want
when is the next wipe?
Got nothing to say, got it 🙂
"Nicholas will disappear on the 8th"
Looks at calendar:
Jan 9th everywhere in the world
Nicholas still there
🤔 Hmmm
wheres gen chat can somebody link it
Respond to my message sempi
Played the first day of the season only, what should I know before coming back to the game
i think they should add a layer to goblin since it seems half the player base goes there i'd like another boss for gobbo at least
my game keeps crashing anyone know why
second game in a row ... i ran into two teamers in ruins. so fun.
i don't think maps should be on the top of the list rn tho
well when you start with "im pretty sure..." all validity is lost with whatever follows, so since you have nothing valid to say in the first place, i have nothing valid to say in response
Ice caverns boss/bosses should be top priority imo. Only layer that has nothing to offer RN
MAKE DEMONFORM INSTANTCHANGE LIKE WITH DRUIDS! this druid was able to silence me with panther, hit me with bear, and buff in humanform, before i had even gotten into my damn demonform, like dafuk xD and once im en demonform he just S walks backwars and i cant reach lol
make it take a perk slot like druids then
does anyone know if there is a way to play on the test servers anymore? I have the game on steam now and I don't see the option to do it if there still is one
They said that all maps are planned to have 3 layers so I think the ice caves is still cooking. They also confirmed random dungeons are coming in full force to all maps asap. Some people have suggested random events that show on the map when all the maps are randomized which I also think is similar to your combat shrine idea. I think all your suggestions are good, and a lot of them were covered on the most recent darkest hour podcast dev Q&A, I recommend you give it a listen they covered a lot of the plans for this wipe.
yeah id take that, sounds good to me
it honestly does not sound like the worst
anyone else just not like endless dungeon?
Sorry let me adjust my message. I read in the annoucements channel mutliple times they they threatened to ban dupers, and did not act on it until recently. Is that better?
all them light classes can do nothing about it, maybe sorc if you play hella well but otherwise it's just death
it has a lot to offer with wyvern but they fs need to add another boss cause every time i got to wyv there's at least 2-3 other teams fighting for it and only way to make any real gold there is with the wolf pelts and it's not even as good of a farm as forgotten because they add a whole new higher rarity pelt that Luck will give you more times than not over the original pelts
When BDSM armor for bards?
For lower armor rating but more persuation
what about druid insta transforms=?
where is hotfix? 😄
i love it but inferno should be adjusted
its okay imo, had a funny moment where a nightmare axe skeleton spawned in my face and scared the crud out of me
Yeah wyvern is abyss. Everyone just afks in caverns lol
If you socket an item you should be able to bring it into arena...
You can't? Damn I thought that was the whole point lol
i only like crypts. every other map feels forced without random nodes. and i hate that i have to spend 15 min looting or i wont stand a chance in a 1v1 in crypts
Next day And we still dont have sorcerrer nerfs 🥹
Pretty sure you can, but a gem doesnt magically mint the item to be yours
update is today lol
oh, i dont know how it is on solos
Nope, literally can only bring gear that has been found by you. So even Saint Nicholas or Goblin gear you roll, you cant bring in either. Well you can bring it in, but as soon as you lose a match, you lose the gear
Equip shapeshift mastery buh
lol i only play solos unless im w friends. this season is hell for solo spellcasters
Ahhhhhh
Like I said, haven't played since they released sorcerer. I've just been out of town for weeks lol
That's nothing new then. If it wasn't minted before, it's not minted after. Makes sense to me
i tried, cant find it in my warlock kit sadly
its a druid perk.
that's highly unlikely demon form takes at most 2 seconds to use and you're using one of the worst warlock abilities if you're running that and not building movespeed to run and catch up to people backpeddling with s with their move speed halved you should prob drop the ability
is warlock demon form affected by cast speed? it seem slike it would be
The biggest problem with arena right now is you have people going in with blues and grays....
all other magic buffs effect demon. good question tbh
It dont looks like cast maybe action speed but dont know 🤔
thats my point, why have these things in the game if they are trash? sorc obviosly took the whole class creator team away from all other classes, and they were just abandonded, even with movespeed the other guys is gonna just have more or as much cus thats the meta
to be fair they said it was a druid im pretty sure so chances are they were pack pedaling with panther, still a pretty bad ability against a really bad matchup
yo guys i have a question team kill giving -karma ? or only someone report me
Nice new class SORCERER you can't even get near it. THANK YOU!
linking emojis? are we in the 80s?
naah dont worry, its a caster, dies rly quickly when you catch it (hint, you cant)
🤓

and MMR keeps them at the ranks they should be at? What's the problem
Im almost 30
also dont worry about catching up, they have a pushback ability too
But nobody can catch sorcerrer 🫣 just barbar with iron will but anyway sorcerer just nuke him xD
yeah again, its an issue the devs created by mistake in the game, its their fault, not the customers
im 21 but 5 years of blue collar has me feling 40
Infinite deceleration -how hit it?
Yikes, we be getting old
In theory yes, but if somoene is at 1600 they can get people trying out arena for the first time and take an instant loss.
the joke was that you cant catch it, and when you get close they teleport out of the map lol

and the lightningbolt that locks on, slows, has massive dmg, goes through walls, rly helps
it's got a high skill ceiling and you shouldn't even be touching demon form without shadow touch vampirism and magical healing but even then after taking dagger off warlock demon form has 0 sustainability unless you're min maxxing dex actionspeed and the agi to keep up the speed if you want a melee focused warlock just hit yourself with sacrifice and bloodstained blade with shadowtouch infinitely better than demon
If you were to play an MMO and dupe in it, would you not get banned? If you were to play in any game with any type of economy and duped, would you not get banned? Don't most EULAs cover things related to this? The answer is yes. You break the terms of service when you exploit and ruin the game for others in any other game. This isn't something iron mace just came up with. There's a punishment for a reason.
Nerf plate fighter and barb movement speed.
Move speed cap with weapon out on those 2 classes is a fucking joke.
idk if you can call it a skill celing man, its more of a "needing to have bis gear and a shitty oponent" kinda deal
or just dont die to them
I have listened to them, part of reason I defend IM is because I know they do want this game to succeed. I just question some discussions and they don't give reason to about 80% of them. We shouldn't be doing a risky water mechanic map in our unstable EA game. Where is GC 2 or 3? Or IC? And maybe they know this but I'm also talking to the community, people should stop asking for another class this soon. Stop talking about Munk or paladin, especially when something like multi/subclasses/talent tree whatever can make those happen in future.
you, me, unsanctioned boxing match,$500 on the line, ill win, %100, you need a hand sandwich, period. people like you are the reason that california is the way it is.
yo eriously why is this game still laggy, it's been a week
gotta be one of the cringiest things i read in this dicord LMAO calm down mister tough guy
nah i've seen people destroy a team with PDR plate demonlocke with longsword but it's just not worth using unless you're kitted to hell just use bloodstained blade and sacrifice with the dark shield so it negates most of the health drain from sacrifice and you get passive healing with shadow touch
your device i think, turn down the settings
is something worng with the gathering hall ? im trying to squad up with people who have mics but all the gathering halls are empty ?
Lmfao what? I think you lost the plot, maybe just take the L and go to bed man.
Like next class will be chuck Norris you will just run around and inatantly win evry fight oh wait we already have sorcerrer newer mind 😂😂
grown man adult saying cringe
SDF WHERE IS IT
here
Ya know, its crazy how people of any age can use language from any time.. almost as if words have existed before you were around...
so? you gonna give me a "hand sandwich" too? hahahaahaha
i feel like you just repeated what i just said there but phrased it as a counter argument lol
WHERE IS THE UPDATE SDF
Don't bring real life comments like that into the game discussion though. Or anywhere on the Dark and Darker Discord
what you cant read all of the sudden because you lost control of the conversation? you are a control fr3ak, you and all of californians are the same way, you MUST control, others MUST do as you say, you MUST alter others life choices
sticks and stones people..
I tink this guy might genuinly be mentally unwell... kinda funny tho
or what?
Are the Californians in the room with us?
why are common surg kits selling for allmost 300 but the green and blues beearly even sell for 90?
Shall i bring smth from the Gas Station?
Gearscore
I’m sure IM will fix the sorc lightning going around corners and through walls and hopefully we can get the diddy hands bug fixed. If that gets done sorc isn’t looking too bad.
Because commons don't up your gear score
ah ok ty
Couple lottery tickets, we winning big champ I can feel it
can u get me a 7up pls :)
They have already said theres no GC 2 or 3 its only a 1 floor map
im failing to see the humor in a person being "mentally unwell" that seems like bringing a real life thing into the dark and darker discord
new quest out?
That is also correct
You need a snickers my guy
well your rambling about californians controlling everything are quite amusing cant lie keep it up and rogan might invite u for a podcast lol
I get what you're saying about the underwater thing, I don't think it needs to be a priority either. I'm not saying they have the best sense of what should be next, but from what I can tell they have a lot of plans that I like. I don't care what order they come in, but that's just me. If for some reason everyone stopped playing and the data showed their moves are failing I think they would change course. But so far it seems okay to me. For awhile before this wipe I wasn't sure if I'd even play anymore, but this wipe really re-ignited my interest in the game, and if they can keep doing what they did for this wipe going forward I say let them cook. I just hope they can keep the game alive long enough to do all the stuff they're planning. I don't think anything you've said is wrong, it's all opinion and hard to know what's right. I think we both just really enjoy the game and want it to succeed. We just gotta hold the line 😛
Hey now, leave Rogan outta this dudes ramblings 😛
no im good and calm, i just dont agree with placing bug issues in the game, duping or not, on your customers, thats all
Please keep the channel on topic. This is for Game Discussion and the Discord as a whole is for Dark and Darker.
nah you said there were prerequisites to using demon armor i basically told you i've seen plate demonlocke take out a whole team in both under 24 and HR it's just got a high skill ceiling which means if you're not kitted to hell you most likely don't have the skill set needed to run it hence high skill ceiling it's not exactly a requirement to be bissed out but if you can't get the bis for it 9/10 times you'll also be lacking in the skill needed for something as advanced as demonlocke
man I love dark and darker but I feel liek californians are kinda controlling the narrative in the goblin caves
There's a ToS and EULA, you should know using duped anything and not reporting it is a failure on the users part not the company, thats why the EULA and ToS exist.
I just think "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
I can not stand druid, PLEASE NERF IT ALREADY. Panthers in 224gs walking around 2-3 tapping everyone, including barbs with 180 hp 35% pdr, I just spectated a druid who legit 3 tapped a full HP barb and killed him in under 1.5s. PLEASE just gut that class how do people think its okay
another teamfight lost to door blocking
it's crazy how bad pepole do not wanna play high roller, atp just remove the gear score cap on norms
wat? im not talking about demonarmor, im talking about demonform
Doors are the real villains of this game 🚪
You threatened me with violence because you couldn't form an argument that stood against anything I said. I think if anything you've decided to lash out because someone told you the truth and you lost control of the conversation hahaha. It's honestly so sad and weird that you're now talking about california when we were originally talking about duping in a video game. Then said you wanted to fight me? You must not get out much, this isn't how normal people have conversations.
door and doorer
Are the new quest out yet ?
When is update
That’s why “I’m getting in there!” Is my teams most used phrase lol
I think they should make more/most doors double doors
As I Barb I love yelling this “I’m going in!!!”
if you are not running plate armor on demon form just forget the ability even exists plate is literally made FOR demon magic resist plate helps with spell damage negation
Legit suggestion
I think you should be able to use crush on stone / boss doors, and that all bosses in crypts should have these.
I mean the last few times in Hr it’s max move speed bard who 3 taps me or Druid appearing out of no where 2 taping as panther. I don’t want to play those classes so basically I just give away free gold every time I join HR and loot always sucks there too
Weird idea but sure
Is there new quests?
i feel like you are missing the point
And then 2s later “jk I’m not!” Lol
people will do anything to not play high roller bruh 😭 kids are running 124's with +all true phys on everything with legendary weapons n shit
That’s me when my teammate is standing at the door with a health pot out “MOVE BACK!!” As I get longbowd in the back of the head
dude the guy names fabric farmer is the goat
Sorc needs buffs
As a barb having no troll pelt I like to tease people n pretend that I do.
Ill do it in an old mans voice, and sometimes ill run to an extract just to make it seem more real : D
when did i insight violence? i offered you a consentual bout with a cash prize for winning, this isnt a threat or a street fight, it is a challenge to a physical duel that both parties sign a "ToS" and agree to
Nah i charge in screaming FOR THE EMPEROR
anyone think they will actually change hatchet barb?
you're literally using the ability the most wrong way possible wonder why it's straight garb then when i explain what you need if you wanna make it work it's like i'm speaking another language or sum

Yes it’s *cking broken
Hatchet barb isn’t even as bad as bard and Druid atm
Go to bed, but be sure to eat a snickers first cuz you're acting like a diva
WOW HAHAHA YOURE SO FUNNY
Sorc is the biggest one to be nerfed atm
Yes and its like that in a bunch of games, if you have good gear you can carry pretty hard, chance for them to have it is 3x, chance for you to have that is 2x
I mean why would they?
Did they change rondel fighter?
Crystal sword fighter?
Longsword fighter?
Most classes have several styles to play barb seemingly had 1 for forever 😂
Why would one problematic build be changed, but not the others?
I bet you eat snickers either texture side down 😉 jk
I'm trying to use levity to defuse a situation, why are you so angry? lol
Yes lets make the lighting Sphere like passive around you And the lighting bolt will be like Tesla Cannon on your head automaticly targer evryone in proximity ofcourse true wall 🫣
@glad thunder Why is banshee such a bad boss?
druid isn't even a problem barb hatchet infinitely better than druid druid has been nerfed to hell and yall still suck against it it's the easiest class to take care of the amount of times they are 1 shot running around is crazy
ive been out ran by a sorc as im druid panther and chicken jumping and insta dying to them
youre trying to say its my fault and there is a skilcap to it, when literally all you gotta do to counter it is just run away for a sec then come back when its down, takes so long to activate youre allmost dead even before it pops, and even then its plenty time to get away, and with everything being movespeed meta then most people will have the movespeed to do so lol
hatchet barb also has the advantage of a fkn terrible hitbox
they need to buff sorc hes so weak i got two tapped by a fighter after using lightning sphere and glaciate on my weapon and hitting him 2 times why didnt he die wtf
You dont wash that side off?
It is, but a simple fix of letting socket gear being changed to your own gear as said person modified it or just requriing a gear score for arena would overall make the quality of arena better for everyone.
Still the most frustrating class to fight no matter what you play
it's not that bad of a hitbox at all i ran hatched barb and won most of my fight in high gear and low gear it has 0 faults
that went over my head, care to elaborate? was that a shot at the" gee aye why"community, because if it was, thats a hate crime and you will be banned from this discord
Sensitive much go cry
W key right click to victory
hit your torch throws and druid will never be a problem again
the 2nd and 3rd attack are giga broken, watch the Oggieson vid on it.
I really love the anti barb bias people have here lol, go ahead lets just nerf barb again so people can stop whining 😂
I eat tortilla chips vertically
MODS? anyone gonna do anything about this hate speech?
Eating a snickers texture side down means you like the veiny texture on your tounge take it as you will
I'm going to take your advice, and say you didn't give me a valid response so I don't have a valid answer for you I guess. Womp womp. Maybe just don't dupe stuff and then cry when you get banned? Can't give you any more advice than that.
hatchet isnt op, its just the gear score system that is bad, a legendary hatchet costs less than a rare quarterstaff, while weapons in no way are balanced to be weaker for being 2nd hand
Why do people think 1 class being unbalanced trumps another class also being unbalanced? Both can be unbalanced.
yeah man, just hit the torchthrow as they slip through a 2 mm gap in the wall that you cant get through or thrwo anything thru
I mean a lot of people I know say barb is op, sorcerer is op, but they all agree ranger is most OP, also most ESP using class.
But I mean lets not bother those poor fellas 😂
Sooo make stick onehanded?
You’re the only one hate speaking. why you making It about people that’s the problem
I wish two handed weapons weren't so bad on every class that isn't a Barbarian
skill issue you let them get that far
Right legendary hatchets in <224 just dominates
Disagree, feels much better finding your own loot and socketing it after with gems you also found to get those sick items, like I just for example found a legendary str ring with +1 all and + max health u bet I got out of there instantly to save it for arena kit

hatchet it self isnt op yes. the Actual hitbox on the weapon is
My maul and stick cleric got something to say to you in the dungeon
quarterstaff is so bad, make it zero gearscore no matter what
I love the socket system
lol how so? 2 second casttime on the form, no slows, no speed boosts, maybe hydra if they are in a door but thats a stretch lol, and what do you mean far? doesnt take much to outrange melee
This 100%.
Can not take a legendary bardiche in 224 or most gearscore gone, purple swallows most.
Same with felling axe.
Legendary / unique hatchet? Go use that 3 slot sucker, 50 gearscore 😂
Like they feel okay to use, but without the damage perks barbs get, running a 2h weapon does not output the same DPS as a dagger or rapier will

But they are cooler
barb needs changes, sorc needs changes, druid needs changes I think that about sums it up
Bard as well but bard mains will yell at me for saying it
But dw watch a class that doesn’t need any changes will still get changed around while these stay the same
bard screech is op and outclasses every other class at bossing
Cleric needs some changes too, and ranged dmg in general is a bit strong but overall agree
hellfire goes through walls flamewalker keeps panther off you curses and invis for bear boom as someone who mained warlock there's obvious skill issue here
and I killed a fully legendary and unique barb yesterday with +1 all, + True Phys, +Action Speed, +Max Health in almost everything he had and I cant use any of it in arena...Granted I can sell it for a lot of money but can't use both ring of finesse that will sell for 17-20K a piece or the monkey pend. So i can use it to do runs and eventually lose it or just sell it. But the gold doesnt help me as I cant use any gold for arena pieces. How it was last season was perfect.
bruh i died in 224 yester day on my barb with 180hp + 40% pdr to a longbow ranger in 4 shots lmao two of which were definitely body shots 😂
flamewalker also massively takes druids forms out of the equation
only a shitty druid is dying to a flamewalk
Thats nuts lol like who in their right mind thinks something that can hit from across the room should do that much dmg lol
Never seen someome defent a class so much😂 clearly no interest behind it
what is hellfire gonna do if they range you out? flamewalker has a casttime and only lasts so long, so they can hit you a couple times then back off before it even does anything, im assuming you mean to use that while you are transformng but like i said thats when they back away anyways, curses cant be cast while in demonform so they just range you while you are demon, then jump in again when you take it down to cast, obvisoly your ego doesnt make up for your lack of brain
and the smart ones? how are they changing in fire? invis with fire on infinite cast serious skill issue
you realize for most of last season arena it was minted only?
yeah idk lmao it was frustrating but at the end of the day I will load back in 😂. he also had full true damage and 20% phys power so that probably had something to do with it
They trippled the loot to hold on, but game still dead 20k peaks LOL.
It wasnt when I played it. I bought my kit off the market place
ait this dude is just ragebaiting now might as well not answer this guy any more xD
Yeah just with the hope one day maybe they'll actually realize how to balance 😄
i told you to drop demon form if you wanna make the mistake of being the worse locke in history be my guest but you not making it far with demon at all
again, youre just ragebaiting now, no point in arguing lol, loses argument so you rat your way out of it lol
theres no rage bait i gave you advice you didn't take it now you're complaining when sum doesn't work your way
Should see this ranger that somehow is always in my game he sits in ghost king doors full dark with 2 unique windlasses and a leg longbow waiting for people in boss room to stand still then he one taps you with a headshot windlass
I’ve been seeing him for like 3 days and I only killed him once the other times I fought he nearly one taps me so I run and get out
you are arguing about it not being bad, i make counterarguments, you just say, " naah u just bad just dont use it" as if thats a valid argument xD
I’ve had success with demon form in arena, plate armour and magic reactance/physical resistance, buff weapon before form and run in while transforming then take down one or two and it’s usually 2v1 left
Is it worth playing this game with other people? Most gamers turn out to be PSTD, Drug using nut jobs. The net is a scary place.
As I keep saying, nobody talks about how ridiculously OP rangers are here, or call from nerfs, even though most people I talk to state exactly this, especially casters that die in essentially 2 arrows.
Ranger is the most ridiculous class, most ESP users as well.
And gl facing the shotguns 😂
i gave you every reason why if you're illiterate and can't read again skill issue at it's finest
LOL 225+ is a cesspool 😂
Crystal sword is great for fighting Espers it blocks face
if you find people who are chill yet still willing to learn and just try to get better with you, the game is pretty fun
bruther my bard/fighter homies were getting MULCHED by that ranger. legit body shots were 60% of their hp but they werent nearly as tanky as me
Ooof someone got temporary ban from me
Yeah I’ve met some chill people on this game
Useless for most classes, wizards cant block and select spell they need to choose one or the other.
So probably only fighters would have a chance.
Oh yeah way cooler. But see, the problem is that every two hander, with the exception of the felling axe, requires spacing and positioning, also known as skill, to be effective.
This is not required when using a dagger or rapier, which output higher damage with less aiming required that are also used closeup which punishes 2 handed weapons due to sourspot
It’s so aids literally just sat in the dark with them 2 ranger ability’s that give armor pen and the no bolt drop and they just headshot you as you loot boss or open portal
felling axe requires spacing 🙂 if you miss you're bad
I killed Frwog yesterday in 225+. He was shooting me with a crossbow while I was doing HR Warlord
I hope they fix bosses, its so toxic to start GK and every door in hell has a dude waiting at it for you to finish
One of the most satisfying weapons to use on people 
Ive been aware for a full season last season, and this entire season.
Imagine being a barb and needing to "w key" into that, without anything you can do, and face a shotgun even if you do make it.
Ridiculous at its finest.
ah yeah youre not ragebaiting youre just dumb lol, i legit counterd every argument you had and you turned into a kindergardner and just said, "nuh uh"
this is facts i keep hearing bs about druids and barbs but i'd rather fight and parry a barb head on then fight a ranger they're incredibly op rn especially with shotgun and the cripple perk it's stupid op but still gets overshadowed by the skill issue druid haters and the can't parry axe barb haters
best classes to play in solo?
lol a sorc tried to kill me and got back attacked by the spectral
The one you have the most fun with. Or the prettiest.
Fighter
im new lol
you didn't counter a thing you just complained about your own skill issue then when someone with way more time on not only warlock but the game in general tries to tell you sum you don't take the advice you'll forever be a trashcan if you can't learn correctly
you talk about illiteracy but obviosly you werent able to read what i answered to your arguments
Easiest: Fighter and Barb. But I recommend leveling every class to at least 15, so you know how they play and find what playstyle you like. It'll only take a few games to get there.
okay sir
Bard for utility Fighter because it's tanky with good dmg and easiest to learn on out of all the classes
yeah the best way to kill a ranger is with another ranger 😂
Fighter can use all the weapons with weapon mastery if you want to try them and you can use plate to mitigate damage from mobs. Its has a healing ability. It’s new player friendly
I love getting killed by BLATANT cheaters who can somehow hit you from a mile away.
Or if it's not cheaters, which it usually is designated by the ban comment I ALWAYS get, it's the super crappy desync in servers showing them one thing and me another.
My lord IM needsa better detection system.
Why is the limited items still in the shop
Why can only barbarian/sorc/wizard/warlock break doors? I suggest a jar of enchanted termites that take 5 seconds to eat a door after having thrown the jar at it.
Are we getting the numbers adjusted this week or what
i back this, but then allso have it deal dmg if you throw it at people
thats wild
i mean bard can unlock doors with a song
all you did was complain due to your own skill issue i'm already set for wipe have multiple stashes of HR gear for all classes and am flying by with no problems in the wipe but aye what do i know over a kid complaining cause he can't take care of literally the easiest class lockes like you are what filled my warlocks stash
Yall still fighting? o.o
I want to break the door, rogue no longer circle kiting my ass as easily + it allows you to open break a door as any class without having to just pants down stand still jiggling the door knob, give termintes a time frame to break the door so they still have to dance for a bit waiting for them.
idk what to tell you man, go back and re-read it, im not gonna type it all again for ya buddy, now youre even more of a child using the im richer than you argument out of nowhere which is hillarious xD
@glad thunder it’s been weeks and sorcerer lightning still goes through walls, do we not care about game balance at all anymore?
They're bored
nerf the fucking barbarians 190 of life and they kill you in 3 hits maximum they are stupid
Stop facetanking barbs, done
ya just run from them, oh wait
Lol yes that helps.or kite them .
Ruby silver crafts today I hope
well i mean i took the advice i was given and made money that's the difference between us i take the info and use it to make me do better you keep going at it without knowing a thing until you burn out and drop the game cause it's "too hard" i've seen too many players like you do the same exact things before dropping the game
be naked and have faith in your god
is today supposed to be new quests? i oretty much finished all the ones out so far so i'm hyped if they are
wtf are you even talking about now xD you are rly just all over the place, swapping subjects now from a losing argument to trying to brag about your skill and stash xD
patch day?
does bardiche still count as axe?
Idk I'm hoping so because I got Ruby silver stashedd
same subject different outcomes i'll come out with a lot more than you by the end of wipe and when it happens make sure you take my advice and try better next season if you last that long you're fs not making it far in this season
are you american? cus that would make alot of sense
can you use uniques in arena yet ????? or still a no
Speaking of quests, anyone got any tips on how to complete the gingerbread quest for Santa? Or is that one just pure luck
are you not? makes sense the common sense is lacking here
stick dont need spacing. its just bonk bonk bonk
haha, a lil too much american influenser brainrot happened to you growing up
a no no
that's ong tho i do too had ruby in my shi waiting since day one
they gotta soon, artifacts in arena just makes sense
I got that powderrr
nope
I was wondering if anyone could show me the ropes .my first time playing this game and this genre period. And I don't understand the lfg
Lmao just caught a hatchet barb legendary hatchet gemmed rings and ammy got spanked by me. If it was a bard I’d be dead
you can random queue, you have to wait for the planets to align and such to get a group from Gathering Hall ..
Love this game, just got teamed on by 2 players trying to not make it obvious but they got the same names, "HRboone" and Hrb003e
What class were you ??
anybody tell me where are the patches ?
Do people talk in game chat ?
never cared for influencers they're just self centered people that only care about cash but by the way you spelled the word influencer wrong maybe you should stop trying to learn our language and stick to ya own if me being american is a problem
some do
Only if same party as you ..otherwise yes voip
to talk smack
Used yo be way more common, but its not anymore because everyone is very aggresive and teaming isnt allowed anymore
in a separate gs lobby then
Rip homie said English is American
Warlock long sword
if solo que rarely you'll hear voip more from enemies than you will from teammates
maybe they should do something like that, its still in beta so fingers crossed
I was hoping to talk to teammates and maybe make some friends
Cooked him w the curses then parry ??
never cared for them but became like them, cool shit
just start queuing and start talking bruh
Does anyone know if potion chugger affect beer duration ?
Nope just blow of corruption 3 headshots he missed one hatched because I back peddle once they engage with hatchet
how did i become like them? you're making absolutely no sense and your statements are purely fallacy go back to school kiddo
bro def became like them
update today?
Nice man. I'm gonna try warlock out next wipe
you're some random you don't even know what's going on broski stay in ya lane
you just told the dude to stick to their own language, tf, its a joke lil bro lets calm down
That part was goofy fr
Play trios without auto fill. If you're just looking to gain friends to play with I'd main cleric. Everyone loves a good healer.
he just talked shit about me being american but got my language in his mouth LMAO
nice, be an adult
cause american is a language
Now this may seem sacrilegious. But how good is controller input with steam overlay
I'm amazed that someone seeming relatively educated is saying English is American
becuase youre obviosly just feeding into your own bloated ego, and you are too delutional to see when you are wrong, because your brain automaticly deflects common sense and tries to counter by moving blame or changing subject
and im supriced you know what a fallacy even is but cant seem to realize how many of them you stumble over unironicly xD
pretty sure its okay, a big streamer plays on controller, forgot who and he hits cleric heals like nothing
when is santa leaving?
no one said american was a language i said keep OUR language nice try but you got no foothold kid hop out my replies
Omg yall still fighting, this like 30 minutes now? Thats madness lol!
eventually
I play on steam deck I like it
haha yeah i gotta go do something else i guess, it was kinda funny tho
thats my goal, play dnd at work HyperShake
No update today?
when patch
Shout out to people with jobs
they gotta give diamonds more mods 
and if u go look at what they are fighting about its even funnier this guy thinks druid has no counter playing warlock
Remove +1 all attributes or add to gem system for 1 of all the gems, all same gem rarity required
Fix hatchet animations
Reduce barb movespeed by 5%
Nerf cleric smite scaling
Sorc changes needed
Make lightning zap like ray of darkness
Lower orb damage per tick
Nerf teleport damage by 30%
Lower the timer to join the map to first 3mins - maybe 5 mins
I think with just these few changes we could save the wipe
if i was ultimately wrong from telling you not to use something then why do i have so much more? make it make sense from the start i tried to help you of course the new player doesn't want help i tried to explain it you didn't want it like i said at the end of the day my wipe is going great max stashes and filled em
when is the new map coming?
you don't need any of those sorc things except to reduce the lightning dot dmg
Listen to this guy IM
do people not queue goblin caves? why am I queueing into the exact same people 8 runs in a row
Clerics are already in a wheelchair, why would you take the one good thing we have left
brother he thinks druid has no counters playing warlock there is nothing you can say to him to make him understand
it's a list of "things i died to recently"
Lmao 🤣
Why the heck did they buff barb
obviously his wipe just gonna go shit and ima be laughing with all my warlock kits from people like him
cleric should not be the strongest melee class in the game sorry fellas
yo guys does anybody know anything at all about the new map????????
Well fuck I must have missed when we were
my question at the start was legit why they even have demonform in the game when its not propperly viable, and how they spend more time making a new class than fixing whats allready there, then you went on some rant about it was just me being bad lol, idk how you see thats helping but sure man xD the "then just dont use it" argument just didnt apply originally., and you keep going back to what i was talking about earlier with your stash being filled for some reason xD just gotta do some flexin i guess
it's supposed to add a swimming mechanic ik that fs
but do we know when?
I mean legit warlock is a direct counter to druid hit them with a curse and they cant rat form anymore without dieing u have phantomize if they get to close with druid or bear and u can just out range em idk what he was on about
dude the devs allowing people to reque into a game that they just died in is absolutely wild. Like we kill a team and they get to respawn in with full health and spells and just ape us? what are you guys even thinking?
Ay where’s update?
warlock is unplayable in solos
@elder mica wow glad i'm not the only one with brains here
that's wild that ppl can do it reliably. i've done it one single time by accident
Dont doubt it with every class in solos being Barb or longsword fighter
this isnt applicaple at all to what we are discussing lol, this is talking about rats running away, og and that you outrange bears, witch infact is the exact oposite of what we were talking about
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lol
same ive only had it happen for me once. had it happen to me several times lmfao. funniest was this one rogue, killed him 3 times before he couldnt queue in anymore
i've seen a match where this barb and rogue got in 5 times and died all 5 times in the same match i've even went in and accidently found my old body it's weird rn
hello, 200 francesca axes are calling. pick up the phone
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Yet another 🫃 who is bad at the game and thinks Barb is OP. Bet you’re a rogue main
the thing is you dont know you get in the same match cuz of no kill feed so the fact that they aped you was kinda just pure chance i guess
+1 all attributes on epic or better rings has become a functional system to spot active R,M,Tears
Its the only thing you can't roll onto your gear through gemming and it's nonsense
Either let us do it with 1 of all gems for that rarity or remove it
No 1 ring should cost 3 - 5k
lmao found the barb main who only plays solos
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/605144/ghostking-room-should-be-like-dark-souls-there-is-only-one-in-and-cant-leave-til upvote if you think this is a good idea
i told you how to deal with druid rat is what druid uses to run 99% of the time while panther chicken combo is on cooldown like i said you're not only getting ways to counter from me but from another person obviously you're in the wrong and should mute and take the advice idrc up to you like i said my wipe has been fine
Of course I only play solos. Have you met this community? 😂 But nah, I’m a wiz main
cancer
Sorc lightning sphere needs dmg nerf, bard needs ms nerf, all bows need dmg nerf
When does the limited stuff actually go limited
ah wiz in solos so you have like a 1% survival rate?
yo wtf are you on dude xD we never even talked about ratform wtf? xD ait i give up with you, you are delutional and in denial lol
Nah bro. I got 2k hours on wiz so I’m kinda cracked
Ive got a 60% survival rate solo on fighter 
yeah bro i almost 1 tapped a barb using the lightning dash after lightning bubble under 24 and in hr
nah there is no way u pulling wiz off in solos when its 90% barbs with iron will
Ngl, projectile resistance is silly. Should just remove it and leave the damage reduction to PDR/MDR exclusively. Change Projectile Resistance perk to something else
we didn't? aight lemme prove you wrong rq
game is shit change my mind
Ive got 18 gold bags and 18 spectral fabrics i have farmed up and am ready to be able to hold some wealth
Otto
When does this limited Christmas stuff actually go limited
Not seeing any patch notes or random issue threads from the team feels pretty good! its been nice and quiet while we all game.
It’s really not that hard tho. I’m faster, sexier, flashier, and I have range. Barbs can’t do shit against a ranged player who isn’t bad at the game. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely die to barbs on occasion. But I die to every class on occasion.
projectile resistance works on magic projectiles as well
Not even in the game anymore. Ggs. Game bad
I’m faster, sexier, flashier, and I have range.
yeah but dont lie its mostly barbs lol
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yeah man, just hit the torchthrow as they slip through a 2 mm gap in the wall that you cant get through or thrwo anything thru boom rat form talked about maybe you need some sleep your memory is shot @elder mica
🫃bring back Otto!🫃
And what do you want me to do? if with axe in hands they go to 320 movement speed.
not to mention that they have axes with relinquishment for their ability.



Are they updating today?
fighter moment
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3-5k gold isn’t a lot…
No, I think I die to fighter more than Barb even. But I mostly die to druids and rogues.
It cannot be that a character has 190 life and can kill you with 2 hits, it does not make sense, it is simply not balanced.
15k for 3 epic jewelry for a kit
Thats a troll pelt and a half
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with a 1 handed axe 
when st nicholas leaves
bruh this was some other people discussion xD what we were arguing was the demonform being so easy to counter xD
When is that
and at max ms with said weapon out
Dont know dont care stop spamming
320 with weapon out is max movespeed build, which means you can kill them very quickly. Literally nobody runs that anyway, you're exaggerating. No health+no dex is crap to play as barb
and 40% pdr
but you said it did you not? i think you're confusing yourself kid
With that one-handed axe, you'll get 2 in the chest and leave you in a wheelchair.
I'm pretty sure Nick is staying with us through the wipe
I don’t care if I’m spamming I’ve waited ages just to be ignored every single time
anyone else mining rn
just looking at discord whilst doing it lol
haha yeah and in that discussion i dont even think warlock was talked about atall, it was just him saying druids ara annoying lol
Whats the best barb build for trios you guys would say including perks?
Ah the hatchet is 100% broken yeah, they need to nerf that into the ground
Womp womp
Yall almost on the 1 hour mark, lets keep this show running!
The issue is you’re farming troll pelts, crypts/inferno boss’s drop some of the most expensive gear in the game. Pulv, DB, Fulgor, these are all items worth tens of thousands of gold each.
When does st nick leave
Warlord won't give me Fulgorrrrr
According to you I am exaggerating? if they are not broken why out of 10 games in 9 I find only barbarians in the whole lobby?
ong i can go all day only one losing out on kits is him sitting here i got everything waiting for AP
Hatchet is not broken barbarian hitting rage and running at u with it is what’s busted
@pliant pond The issue with going down is it takes longer and 95% of the time its contested af i spam troll for pelts also
they've definitely removed libarary right? stupid ass random module quests
youll get one eventually king 💪 👑
He's given me Kuma's Fang, he's given me Kuma's Claw, he's given me many skull keys, and many golden keys, and a reasonable number of sword blades, but no Fulgor
No the hatchet is legit broken, it clips through shields.
I can get those by farming troll and cyclops too tho
sometime half way through this month i think they said in announcements
Everythjng clips through shields
I find fighters in every lobby, rangers in every lobby... I guess everything's broken lol. Its only broken thing is hatchet, which they should fix asap, the rest is standard. If you cant kite a barb you either got landmined (unlucky) or you lack skill, simple as
Hatchet be goin through peopls shields bro what you mean. Its yet another badly coded hitbox in the game
The limited time says 8th of January this games actually a scam
Every weapon goes through shields… blocking doesn’t work
tbf it issss the coolest weapon in the game. he's just making sure youre the chosen one
no not anymore only layer 2 bosses and below drop named items
Blocking works, the hatchet legit clips through blocking lol.
different discussion, that discussion didnt talk about warlocks even, and even you were talking about torch throws , try again kid
Fuck, @elder mica u gonna take this? He's calling you broke
He set me up to kill Frwog, how am I not chosen
buff skull key
warlord got high standards I guess 😂
I’ve gotten two named items this wipe from the mid room in gob caves bud.
ong he is it shows by his lack of knowledge on the game
ouf yeah, that shit hit me hard dude, he keeps bringint up his stash so he must be rich and totally not compensating or anything
hi, any word on the next patch?
The same old excuse “you lack skill” or yes of course man I lack skill for a barbatard to come running with a sledgehammer hit me 2 to the body and kill me as if he could make me intangible with the cleric or the fighter.
Blocking at times does seem bugged all around but it is certainly way more noticeable on certain weapons, the hatchet being the most common example
Meanwhile I've gotten 2 stinky sticks and 2 illusories from Lich
I saw the library today.
i swear they put out an announcement that only layer 2 and below bosses give named items i've done troll and cyclops more than anything and haven't gotten one there's no way
Inferno bosses worth farming in norms or no ?
WOW im on run 11 with no library lol
I pulled a Life After Death from Ghost King 2 wipes ago now?
See now stinky stick is the best weapon in the game 😂 fart clouds are undefeated in hilariousness
when does new quest come out?
Today , hopefully
This is general chat
Play barbarain with crush rage and savage roar. Jusy run through the map and ignoe pve. Easiest way to do the quest.
It’s not from the boss itself. Both mystic gem room and mid boss room in goblin caves drop named items.
IQ too high to play barb 😛
On the start season will be wipe?
ohhhhhhh ok i thought it was the boss itself you were getting the items off of
No. It was renamed. It's #the-tavern now
IQ too low to finish quest in under 20 hours too it seems
Mystic gem room bard luck runs do me right Everytime
Mystic gem is mad expensive right now
nah this is game discussion dummy
I'm sorry you're seemingly unable to move or use any of your ranged attacks I guess. Or play PDR fighter and facetank the barb lol. It's literally the noob crusher class, people crying about it are telling on themselves (except the whole hatchet situation which is 100% busted, I don't play it)
Servers are shitting themselves