game-discussion

[obsidian beacon]

He pressed me when I had advantage in the dark. I landed two hits undetected, until we both popped second then. Then i got one more hit in between the two he swung at me.

That is nothing but a numbers comparison

[rancid pawn]

does vampirism work on hydra drain?

[vapid arch]

brother thinks dagger demon was fun and engaging

[lapis quest]

Getting gear takes skill just saying didn’t mean to reply

[timber remnant]

Fair enough broski. Goodluck whenever you come around to start making it. Godspeed

[sharp nymph]

What does express man do?

[clever swan]

all my rubysilver cuirass were at 106 and 107 armor now they all 103 lol wtf

[raw flint]

How come he could afford good gear and you cant?

[lapis quest]

I love the hp nerf make the ttk faster with out killing the gear

[night folio]

Noooooo I think dagger demon was fun to play. Incredibly op and needed nerfs. But just taking it outta the game was too harsh I think. Giving us a different dagger that doesn't have a double hit and the demon form hp cost increase would have been better

[obsidian beacon]

Hard to grind when players go for gear diff and rushing

[cold hamlet]

revert is crazy. super shtty community cried enough to get an ACTUAL GOOD UPDATE reverted. yal lsuck

[lapis quest]

I don’t understand what skill your trying to show. W keying a fight is not skill parrying is and block is not w keying

[raw flint]

I play a few hours a week and i run 10-15k kits every game. Sometimes i die and lose it. Most of the time i dont. It’s not a grind at all. You need to get better.

[grave peak]

when does arena open

[flint ingot]

Why is there so many idi0ts asking to go back to that horrible patch that ruined the game wth

[unkempt lily]

spoken like someone who can't imagine the experience for 95% of the playerbase

[frail dome]

I’m not a fan of fast TTK myself but the game is class based sadly the damage of ranged classes should be offset that if you manage to close that distance they have on you or trying to keep you at bay should reward in a two-3 tap to the higher slower PDR classes and if they kept it to where there is no double health or MS rolls on items it will feel rewarding for catching them as a melee

[tardy tusk]

Game is officially dead... first all the cheaters now the chaos with devs not knowing what to do with their lives and now the cheating is even worse.... how hard is it to get a anti cheat system???

[obsidian beacon]

My brother in christ. The 10-15k kit is what ALLOWS you not to die. You admitted to taking advantage of gear diff and calling it a skill issue.

This is insane lmao

[runic turtle]

Making money so easy man. Farm bosses or farm ruby ore

[raw flint]

So what allows me to get that 15k kit consistently??? Cmon buddy you’re almost there

[runic turtle]

Don’t even need a 10k kit.3-5k does just fine

[unkempt lily]

getting carried in a trio? idk

[obsidian beacon]

I usually go for spider silk, people will literally go to troll for pvp.
Ruby ore is either the one (guaranteed) node on ruins, or deep dive into hell. I'd rather not waste 30+ of my time to just sit through an animation.

@raw flint Farm gold, buy kit, enjoy gear diff... 10/10 game loop

[raw flint]

I play solo wiz exclusively. I started this wipe with 0 gold just like everyone else. There is no point to this conversation because saying gear diff is a lot easier than actually trying to improve and you’ll continue to blame gear/cheats/the weather/anything except trying to get better.

[runic turtle]

Sooo you just admitted you don’t bother farming to make gold lol

[void mountain]

Just farm wolf pelts for 600gold each

[lapis quest]

What do you mean

[vapid arch]

zzzzzzz no one cares

[unkempt lily]

repeat after me

MOST PEOPLE NEVER PLAY GEARED AND ONLY STUMBLE INTO 124 ACCIDENTALLY
MOST PEOPLE WILL NEVER PLAY GEARED
DISCORD IS AN ECHO CHAMBER FOR THE TRYHARD MINORITY

[obsidian beacon]

I farm spider silk for gold

Curious, what lobby you suggest i farm boss/ore in?

[runic turtle]

Also there will always be pvp at troll. You have to kill ppl then do boss. It’s free money once you clear it. If you think you get gear diffed every game play sub25. Sub 125 is easy to farm all of it

[graceful storm]

Actually the lowest IQ response I've ever seen

[raw flint]

Imagine typing this and pressing send. Close discord and go outside man.

[lapis quest]

The delusion is crazy. New player stumble into 124 and even them it not like there at a massive gear disadvantage yes it takes time to build up you wealth but its like a day of grinding a boss. Im a casual player and i dont think that ive ever play 124 seriously i either play hr or learn to do bosses in low roler

[obsidian beacon]

"If you think you get gear diffed"
That sounds like youre trying to suggest boss farm in HR

Of course <25s would be easiest for farming but then the drop chances are ass. 15 troll clears and no pelt.

125s might be the way for me. But I'm trying to get AP for the skin at the end of season (if they are giving one)

All of this with limited time since I'm in my last semester to get my degree. Seriously, 69.1 was great, y'all just too impatient to let the ttk be balanced out

[void mountain]

Question- when theres a GIANT popup window warning you about over gs 24 before you queue EVERY game
How is it stumbling

[raw flint]

And bro i dont even know what to say to this. Yes thats the entire play loop of this game. If you dont enjoy it go play something else? Why waste your efforts on a game you clearly dont like? And after a certain point you dont even farm anymore. I just go into hr crypts and play the game and the money comes in.

[sick pewter]

I side with you, but as a counter point, the game doesn't fairly explain how important gear is, yet alone gear score. A perfect 124 kit can beat a shit role 500gs kit. The popup only warns for 25 gs, which sorta means nothing to a new player. I think GS should actually account for rolls as well.

[void mountain]

Add survival rate and K/D to matchmaking not just gs
There

[plucky helm]

That’s not a bad idea ppl are gonna see their kd and whine tho

[runic turtle]

There’s still a lot of time left for next wipe tho. Just farm gold and get a couple kits going you’re just making it harder for yourself. And once you’re in HR you can still farm ruby and dire wolves. HR ruby farm is easy money

[obsidian beacon]

I honestly like the pvp, when it is balanced. I'm a sucker for medieval combat games like chiv which has similar pacing, range, and controls to DaD. I would love to fully explore and dive into the melee combat, but it's being restricted since at some point gear is all that matters.

Literally, 69.1 was the better DaD then when I started, and all it did was make the game skill based

@finite yoke Nah, skill based. If the players gave them time to nerf barb and ranger, the pvp would've been fine

[finite yoke]

class based*

[sick pewter]

The next thing this game really needs is better hit reg and more in depth melee / blocking / dodge / parry mechanics FOR all classes/weapons

[graceful storm]

jay and ken just killed the HR troll in 10 seconds with triple wiz magic missle beams

[strong ember]

barbs still onetap everyone?

[runic turtle]

The genre of the game is an extraction looter tho. The entire point is to loot up and gear up. Sounds like you just don’t like the genre

[raw flint]

Squire gear giving the same stats as uniques is not good design in a looter. Of course newer players will like it, that doesn’t mean its good. Last patch i put in like 2 games and i wanted to cry. You need to have some progression for the better players otherwise the game gets stale too quickly. Last thing ill say: good gear is a privilege you earn. The people running around with legendaries would probably kill you in squire kits as well. The more you learn the more you will recognize just how much you dont know. Gear diff is VASTLY overstated by noobs

[unkempt lily]

enjoy your echo chamber i guess

[earnest silo]

That never works, players don't like peer to peer fights.

[late jetty]

Left dungeon(hell) after clicking exit dungeon the lil box popped up n game froze anyone else had that? Nvr had it freeze before

[finite yoke]

He's just angry he can't run around as a ranger and kill people by hitting 2/5 of a multishot longbow anymore. 3/5 is too hard for him to hit

[strong ember]

the fuck? if you want to practise <25gs is for you there is no gear gap

[graceful storm]

dark and darker will never be a battle royal. go back to fornite shitterz

[runic turtle]

He wants HR rewards at the same time

[sick fjord]

The increased damage and lower TTK removed a lot of the skill expression, as fights could be ended in a single hit or two, rather than being won by the person who was more consistently better.

Also I agree with @runic turtle I think you want the game to be closer to Chiv/Mordhau, but this game is fundamentally not those and never was intended to be. If you want a (relatively) balanced and high skill PvP melee combat game without loot and gear making a large difference, there's no reason not to just go play those games.

[strong ember]

ohhh yee i missed that, then hmm go and buy gear timmy

[shadow bobcat]

anyone know how to get the twitch drops? I wanna get the Felidian xD

[rare shore]

so health and pdr stats are back to normal but all my bis that lost stats in the patch previously are now permanently worst. Give me my stats back

[grave geode]

increase on hit slows against enemies but increase ttk significantly so there is actual combat instead of hit and run meta

[graceful storm]

the people who loved patch 69 are the same type of people that go into a steak house and order chicken fingers. Need I say more

[earnest silo]

Barb and Barber is now back to Fight and Fighter.

[fervent wigeon]

This is hilarious. Literally blocked 7 people a few hours ago and there now isn't anyone flaming in here about wanting the 69 or 69.1 patch back. Thats how few people LIKED it. Makes me happy that the game got saved with the revert.

[runic turtle]

That was a couple weeks ago lol. Don’t think you can get them anymore, ended sept 27

[lilac tinsel]

bruh

[shadow bobcat]

Welp, rip

[graceful storm]

revert and reverter

[grave geode]

you can get the male version from gob merchant questline

[runic turtle]

Yea can’t get the cat girl tho. Just male cat

[shadow bobcat]

Oh shit am I gonna have to fight some bosses to get the male cat? xD

[runic turtle]

Just cyclops kill. I think

[shy narwhal]

Softgums is a known cheater, you’ve been reported

[hallow berry]

are the 3 normal brackets present or no brackets in normal?

[grave geode]

all 3 should be in

[versed hare]

surprise for hallows eve? hopefully its a gajillion red shjard

[obsidian beacon]

I wipe lobbies in squire gear.
Gear diff is not overstated. Ive seen streamers and youtubers put 8+ hits into a second wind fighter in order to kill them. It makes that much of a difference.
If gear diff is overstated then last patch shouldnt have changed anything. Just use your skill to beat them.

@strong ember I've done <25s. I'd like to go for HR for the leaderboard skin, Can't since the 'game play loop' is grind gear to gear diff.

@sick fjord The TTK was insanely low yes. But Like i've been saying, instead of letting the devs balance out the madness everyone cried about how it was too different.

And the reason why I cant go play those games is simple. They stopped producing updates for chiv, and there is better build crafting here

I guess the 'correct' answer to this gear diff problem is to just not fight HR players and run away. That was the mistake I made guys, I see taht now

[modern kiln]

Can we please consider nerfing max hp by ~10 PERCENT instead of 15 flat across the board? That would be much more balanced, at least from a mathematical standpoint... 15 flat means that classes with lower health pools to begin with are getting an unfairly disproportionate nerf. Not even an opinion, it's just math 🤷🏻‍♂️ I will never claim to know more than the devs, but I do know simple math.
I also like the idea of universally nerfing heals/prot pots a lot more than max hp, personally.
Thanks for considering our feedback, love this game

[strong ember]

you just said you want to practice if you are not skilled yet practice on squire, if you will learn how to play you will start winning on hr.

[raw flint]

Your mistake is being entitled enough to think you’re going to change this game’s genre by posting on discord. The backlash for last patch was justified because it completely killed progression. Seriously, go play mordhau, youll save yourself a lot of frustration.

[runic turtle]

if you can wipe sub 25 lobbies just farm gold ore? ive made so much money just farming gold in sub 25 since lobbies are free

[loud moat]

How in the FUCK is ruins still in the game holy shit

[cerulean bluff]

pls for the love of god make completed quests in 1 character to be completed in all characters...

[earnest silo]

[shadow bobcat]

that would be really nice, having all quest be done by just 1 xD

[runic turtle]

yea but then you wouldnt be able to get all the rewards multiple times.

[night folio]

It'd be so cool to keep progression on quests instead of losing all progression so I can re earn the trash green rewards

[obsidian beacon]

There is nothing more to practice on squire kits. The only thing that can change is gear stats. Squire kits do not allow for the amount of customization as increased gear does (action speed, pdr, physical damage). Cant explore that without going up in gear score. If I leave <125s its a gear check game, that simple.

@raw flint Not looking to change the genre. Just for a better exploration of the mechanics, and a fight that isnt rigged against me.

@runic turtle Grinding to gear diff... thats just... god thats so boring. I only have so much time.

[azure helm]

If I can get infinite free gray items from the squire why do all of the vendors still only have starter kit garbage in limited supply? Make them also have stuff that I can actually spend my gold on, ive leveled 3 characters without spending any gold at all, only thing I think ill need is more tabs in my stash

[cosmic mirage]

What time is arena open again?

[grave geode]

Gear diff is a problem, but its a pretty small one especially right now with how good the drops rates are. It only costs like 100-200 gold or one norms run to get into hr and farm a better kit. I think the easiest method would be to increase base stats, or tap down scaling curves towards the higher end of stats

[runic turtle]

once you hit around 300gs you can kill juiced players. its only gear diff if youre in trash gear

[undone peak]

i love how panther just 2 shot me in a good kit

[raw flint]

It’s not rigged against you, you’re just extremely entitled lmao.

[strong ember]

i said it few times and will say it again you can win against ppl with higher gear score

[obsidian beacon]

250 kit lost to a 400+ kit. My 3 hits against his 2. My gear was randomly looted so yea, it wasnt BIS, but its better than nothing

@raw flint 3+ hits to kill vs two. How isnt that rigged?

@strong ember Not a 200 diff m8. You'd have to mind read hard.

[grave geode]

you need to do quests and they will start selling greens and blues, but its not really worth it. Would be better to just spend gold on gear in the market. It is worth it if you want the cosmetics and crafting unlocks

[covert mist]

stop doing major changes mid wipe

[runic turtle]

well theres ur problem lol, random looted gear will be ass. you have to actually make a kit and get the right stats. 250gs means ur in absolute piss barely hitting HR

[graceful storm]

all gear is random looted other than crafted stuff. You just only keep the good stuff

[earnest silo]

An Iron man bracket could be cool. Only self-found/crafted gear can be brought in. They would have to fix that you can use handled mats being crafted and you have to farm the mats on the character itself.

[cerulean bluff]

skill issue

[strong ember]

depends on class, if you just w rush or play with brain.

[raw flint]

Look bro it’s clear you’re a newer player. You should really drop your ego and listen when multiple people who have been doing this a lot longer than you tell you you’re incorrect. This conversation is over.

[soft valve]

this is a half joke, but are their builds that use bare fists?

[shadow bobcat]

when am I gonna play as a monk, who needs weapons? >:(

[grave geode]

No lol

[runic turtle]

yea but he means he literally didnt buy any gear and just wore what he picked up

[soft valve]

alright ima make one, hit people with fist funny

[runic turtle]

nah, barb can go crazy with the quarterstaff tho

[clear dagger]

How do you dodge wolves attacks? Going diagonal forward isn't consistent at all

[grave geode]

😭

[cerulean bluff]

go right or left

[twin stream]

not bare fists, but strength druid makes ise of bear fist

[obsidian beacon]

@runic turtle Thats what I'm hearing now anyway. I need to farm a 15k+ gold kit before I enter HR.

@cerulean bluff Bait harder

@raw flint If youd like we could fight in squire kit. That would settle this honestly. You win then gear doesn't matter. I win then gear does. Since you know, this is all a 'skill issue'

[cerulean bluff]

im not baiting. its the reality of the situation anyone can beat anyone with any base gear just dont make mistakes.

[hoary flax]

Im pretty sure base ranger with a spear could beat even geared classes right now

[grave geode]

ermmmmm, I highly doubt that, you would have to missplay really hard for that.

[obsidian beacon]

Almost there buddy, you got it!

[honest stump]

w key holders when they get shot 4 times in a row while running in a straight line

[clear dagger]

Doesn't dodge both

[runic turtle]

you dont need that much gear lol that guy was def exaggerating. 3-5k kits can kills those 10k kits. just try to hit around 350ish-400 gs

[left matrix]

DEVS RUINED MANA SPHERE, THEY MADE ALL MY MANA SPHERES GO FROM +2 TRUE MAGIC TO +1 TRUE MAGIC, THEN DIDNT CHANGE THEM BACK WTF

[cerulean bluff]

i hope everything's ok with life my man keep grinding

[dapper junco]

Spooky Halloween treat of course

[raw flint]

Yeah n you can craft 2 true spheres again. Insult to injury. Lmao

[chrome wolf]

sell the game to nexon - actually give it for free please

[left matrix]

@raw flint yeah if they kept it as only +1, i would be fine, but now my +1 on my wizard and warlock arena kits are just dogwater

[cerulean bluff]

wdym both what

[clear dagger]

Wolves have 2 attacks, a lunge and a bite

[graceful star]

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[grave geode]

I would rather not play a mobile game cash grab on pc

[opaque stratus]

If you're complaining about gear, you're not good at the game. Period. Gear is EASY to get. You can craft it, find it, buy it. You're simply LAAAAZZZZYYY. Or you can QUEST and the merchants will sell HR quality gear for super cheap. If this is too hard for you, ask someone for help. I teach people all the time.

[cerulean bluff]

+1

[left matrix]

can i complain about my gear they RUINED like my mana psheres 😦

[vapid arch]

https://tenor.com/view/true-john-wick-morgan-freeman-get-this-man-get-this-man-a-true-gif-7759561326776237427

[wild narwhal]

lol broke

[cerulean bluff]

nah ppl prefer kinder garden with 5 base stats on poor rarity items so we can all get bored of the game and quit

[trail flicker]

how

[barren ingot]

This will be the lowest demi pool season by a country mile. My region is completely dead now

[trail flicker]

people typing "dogwater" dont get an opinion since they are obviously 100% influenced by twitch and dont know who they really are 😄

[wild narwhal]

yeah seems like the only people complaining are free players and people who dont know how to play, and instead of learning sit in the discord waiting 2 minutes to complain instead of just playing

[graceful star]

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[cerulean bluff]

[nimble magnet]

brother, the gear dispairage needs work. he might have gone overkill but its still in a bad spot.

[loud moat]

remove ruins until you put real walls between modules or reduce # of teams

[slow rune]

quick question if someone can help a brother out..

I have a quest to interact with a gold chest on the ruins. I saw a reddit post saying it was the treasure horde in the centre of crypts 1 but I interacted with that and it didn't give me 1/3 for the quest (I escaped as well.) So I'm just wondering where is the "gold chest" even the map tracker doesn't have a gold chest in there.. if someone could point me in the right direction i'd be grateful (Y) 🙂

[earnest silo]

True, we want door and doorer.

[graceful star]

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[grave geode]

gold chests have a chance if spawning in the spots for random special chests, I dont think there are any guaranteed gold chest locations

[gusty hearth]

It’s the golden chest, interactive should have them labeled as random special chest because they aren’t all static you might have to check a few places they spawn

[brave storm]

I’d like to come back days later and say I thank you for the good luck wishes

[left matrix]

they changed them from +1-2 true magic add to +1 true magic but then reverted them to be 1-2, but if you currently owned one it stays as +1

[covert mist]

the only bad thing right now is that you can't molly wop a timmy with your fulgore

[cerulean bluff]

it does need work but also remember that we need an endgame to the game, the only endgame there is rn is grinding good gear, so if sdf takes that away there is no endgame for good players

[slow rune]

Thanks boss ! ❤️

[flint ingot]

General chat is such a joke now, all these poor souls not realizing that most people hated patch 69 and it's def not getting reverted back to that L update

[rapid vapor]

anyone else notice attacks going through people or shots going nowhere near where you aimed

[cerulean bluff]

[stray yacht]

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[soft valve]

People really be looking a couple days ago with rose tinted glasses, when patch 68 was live while the community wasn't this upset people were still dogging on thet game

[nova mauve]

@nimble magnet i didnt throw a fit about it at all, I was having a lot of fun with the 69 patch, its just I can see why others didnt enjoy it. And I would prefer to somehow find an agreement that can cater to both sides somewhat, but you cant argue that having gear tiers meaning something of value is bad for long term game health. That would kind of equate to an mmo making starter gear hit as hard as end game raid gear.

[nimble magnet]

i think if they stick with and fine tuned it a bit instead of caving in, idk. woulda been nice to see how it went

[graceful storm]

nope, w revert saved the game

[fervent wigeon]

Lol Gen chat hack, block the 7 people complaining about patch 69.1 being reverted to effectively 68. Thats it, thats the hack. I have seen one complaint sneak through in the last 3 hours since I blocked :D. Literally 7 people

[nova mauve]

That's the issue with competitive pvp games like this though, you cant really balance around both high skill and low skill levels at the same time. I think that's why keeping a bracket system is a must for the game, people can stick to the brackets they are comfortable with playing. At the same time the higher skilled players/ and hardcore players will be in their own brackets of play in high rollers etc...

[fervent wigeon]

Dude have to read patch notes. They reverted it. Loot matters again. Go enjoy.

[cursive shale]

Squire lobbies are perfect for getting the basics down anyway now that it seems the gear for squire sets is back to being not atrociously overtuned.

[lime elbow]

logging in and seeing my grims with reverted stats 😄

[static pike]

This game is a big shit

[minor gulch]

MAKE SURE TO LEAVE A NEGATIVE REVIEW SO WE CAN GET BACK PATCH 69.1. REMEMBER WHAT WEVE BEEN TOLD “Review bombing is a tactic” we are close to being negative for the day. 69.1 enjoyers keep the negative reviews coming (btw this message is a copy with some tweaks of a message 3 days ago) 🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🇴 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 9️⃣ ⏺️ 1️⃣ 📉

[small vale]

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[fervent wigeon]

Lol I have now blocked the 8 people that are complaining. 8.. and not a single spam complaining post left. This shows how OBVIOUS it was that the patch needed to change. Excellent call reverting and yes @earnest loom 124 are back

[earnest loom]

are 124 lobbies still a thing?

[tired maple]

yes added back

[small vale]

yes, they added 124 lobbies again, a sad day to pickpocket

[orchid hinge]

Yo does anyone know if I can chain lightning a homies hydra and jump to nearby enemies? Does that work?

[graceful storm]

yeh

[nova mauve]

you can chain lightning dead bodies and it will jump to enemies lol, unless they removed that and im unaware.

[shell grove]

We back to 69-1 yet?

[thick grail]

are skins free?

[subtle heart]

Did anyone decode the morse in community announcements?

[vague grotto]

They removed that a few patches back. Unless they added it back in and I'm unaware ;-;

[nova mauve]

@vague grotto no clue brother, i havent used chain lightning in ages so im unsure if its there or not.

[plucky helm]

Reverse your reviews

[graceful storm]

facts

[sand jolt]

I say skip to patch 75

[craggy plover]

Anyone know why the word PEAR is marked on the hallows eve riddle?

[rugged sierra]

Just a reminder to be nice to each other
We all have valid opinions

[deep echo]

Based Fine the Human moment

[nova mauve]

yea all you lazy fools that dropped like 3000 negative reviews demanding the patch 68 rollback, needs to go back and change them, it takes like 2 minutes. I said this would happen lol, they will be like eh i'll "change it later" and they wont do it.

[graceful storm]

very important part of changing reviews is changing them back ^^

[vague grotto]

Yeah the game is just going to be more negatively reviewed on Steam for a long time sadly. None of 'em are gonna change it, so hopefully Ironmace does shit cool enough to make it click in their head that they should.

[small vale]

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[glad pulsar]

Rofl Die in a fire you shill!

[karmic grove]

Ignorant fuck

[hollow bronze]

i wish there were more floors

[small vale]

Trust the vision!

[marsh ridge]

Thank you Ironmace for the revert! Today i had a great day again!

[subtle heart]

Give everyone free BIS Stinky Stick for halloween, no?

[steel prairie]

When i finish a quest on a char other chars don't get affinity for that quest?

[shadow bobcat]

bruhh these fetch quests suck. Just let me buy a bug shell oml

[dull nacelle]

Gotta be honest

[compact kiln]

Now that people are satisfied about the dumpster fire that was patch 69, how about we talk about a minor change I had in mind. Why dont we put the event merchants BELOW the rest of the merchants so that our muscle memory of buying stuff from them isnt messed up. Why does he move every single one a single spot over right after goblin merchant its just an inconvenience I cant tell you how many times ive accidently clicked the tavern master instead of the collector because of this 😭

[modest wadi]

did they remove regular interaction speed as a stat??

[subtle heart]

Yes

[nova mauve]

the merchant quests are account wide now right?

[hard rock]

L Patch, shame on you!

Shame on all the players who put Ironmace under so much pressure, that they had to revert the Patches.
Shame on you! Shame on your Cow and shame on your family!
Let them cook for god's sake! It was fine! You're just big cry baby's because you want to gatekeep and dominate everything. That's not how the game will be successful and survive! You are killing the game FFS!
You want to win every time no matter what? Go play Solitaire.
This game was never intended to be like this, never. And they tried to get it back on track und you ruined it. I spent 3 years supporting this game, I've seen it all, I had rollbacks, +1 all attributes, no gear score caps whatsoever...multi-classing and the game was never this toxic. Shame on you! Shame on you for systematically trying to destroy a whole studio with negative comments and reviews, insults and even death wishes. It's a effing game in early access and we NEED new players. When will this get in your head? You can't keep gatekeeping a whole game!
Stop farming Timmies in under 24, you don't belong there if you have more than 400 h In game. Stop spawnrushing and hunting people down in under 24! How low ist your self-esteem? There is nothing there to loot! You're whipping a whole lobby in under 24 and think you're great? A good player? No, you're not. Fukcing people up when they train to kill the boss without taking the boss over? Why? Just why? Who hurt you? There are people who want to learn this game, we need them. This game will die without new players. Shame on you

[subtle heart]

The merchant affinity goes for all characters (you can craft recipes you have unlocked on one character on all characters) but still do quests on all of them

[graceful storm]

It's always been this way. It's the devs way of trolling us

[terse sable]

L take, patch 69 was hot garbage. reverting was W decision

[pearl venture]

VOTE IF YOUR IN FAVOR OF THE NORMALIZED GEAR BECOMING A NEW GAME MODE FOR DARK AND DARKER.

[grave urchin]

"sat1" ranger full on esper aim botter this game is becoming trash

[worn bear]

🐀

[graceful storm]

Wow ur really still going lolll

[compact kiln]

player numbers say otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[grave urchin]

i just want cheating to be stopped it's so stupid

[nova mauve]

@subtle heart ok cool

[subtle heart]

This also means you get squire gear on all characters after unlocking it on one btw 🙂

[hard rock]

Still riding the high of the absolute shit fest the discord was the other day man it was so funny

[grave urchin]

can anyone explain why you can't find someone in the player list ? you can search there very specific name and can't find them ?

[shell grove]

fuck yeah... found an epic flanged mace with memory capacity and magical power. Slap that baby on... so much damage...such riveting gameplay finding this great gear

[barren trellis]

You probably cant comprehend more than 5 words, given your answer

[dry comet]

wtf are people mad about now

[hard rock]

[subtle heart]

You need to search the name of the account not the character, if you go into player list you can see it below your character name

[compact kiln]

thank you default avatar profile, very cool!

[barren trellis]

Oh I am sorry that i dont get my discord profile nice and tiddy for such high esteemed visitors like you, should i get some edgy quote and a nice cartoon pfp like you, so u would be satisfied?

[hard rock]

I'm very surpsied you didn't fall for the bait

[modern kiln]

Can we please consider nerfing max hp by ~10 PERCENT instead of 15 flat across the board? That would be much more balanced, at least from a mathematical standpoint... 15 flat means that classes with lower health pools to begin with are getting an unfairly disproportionate nerf. Not even an opinion, it's just math 🤷🏻‍♂️ I will never claim to know more than the devs, but I do know simple math.
I also like the idea of universally nerfing heals/prot pots a lot more than max hp, personally.
Thanks for considering our feedback, love this game

[compact kiln]

Shouldnt have even answered this individual tbh obviously looking to complain and came here

[hollow sleet]

another ragebaiter

[vapid arch]

DON'T NERF HP AT ALL YOU'RE DUMB IF YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA

[brittle zodiac]

So if a random teamkills me at the start then we get matched together the match right after and I kill them back I get temp banned and a perma red name? I got a 2 minute ban from it 5 days ago and my names been red ever since even after 10ish matches a day, (I mostly play solo). Ive just hopped on and got another 5 minute ban from the same teamkill 5 days ago that I was already punished for 😦

[spice lintel]

I think purple gear should be extremely easy to drop in <125. This way, players can enjoy matches without gear gap, while also having the chance to equip and save valuable items for high-rank (HR). This would reduce the unreasonable feeling of having to grind HR just to be able play HR in the first place because of gear differences, while still allowing HR loot to remain better overall (oranges/uniques).

[wild narwhal]

then what is the point in getting gear? why would anyone bother if a bad legendary is as good as a green

[minor gulch]

and yet you took time out of your day to post a response XD

[modern kiln]

I would also prefer it not be nerfed at all, but obviously sdf seems to be sticking with it, so I'm suggesting a compromise that is less severe and more balanced. Calm down.

[craggy plover]

Using the Keyword cipher on the phrase "trick or treat" gives me this: TDKFM QD TDBCT, now what

[graceful storm]

looks like your the only 69 shitter left spam posting congrats

[nimble magnet]

It literally wasn't in 69.1 stop this nonsense

[flint ingot]

Sadshit

[hard rock]

Dude I saw you the other day too but it was really fun shit posting while people were steaming lol

[gentle quail]

but then that would ruin the alphabetical order of the merchants! That won't do! /s (don't forget collector isn't "c", it's "t" because his name is "the collector" lmao)

[subtle heart]

Anyone know if we will get hotfix 70 tomorrow? They would have made an announcement if we dont right?

[gritty flume]

i got shot by a bow a couple times and died again

[tepid falcon]

NO

[subtle heart]

Just pure speculation or did we get a statement?

[wild narwhal]

i constantly would not be picking up gear of higher rarity because it was worse than the squire gear and greens i already had

[sly adder]

RETURN TO MULTICLASS

[velvet cargo]

There are so many trolls and toxic chatters here, the community is killing this game and blaming the creators.

[latent cape]

@glad thunder
새롭고 흥미로운 무기, 경기장 순위, 미국에서 더 많은 광고

[woven granite]

Do we know what the Halloween prize is?

[gusty hearth]

Drop a negative review to celebrate the return of gear checking

[finite crescent]

lmao asked a teammate how he felt about the update in random fills, he said "I wanted it back the whole time" proceeds to get one shot by goblin mage LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO i responded with "oh you enjoy that eh" He left instantly

[tidal bough]

im still new to the game, but wouldn't matchmaking be better if it was ELO based? I'd rather play against ppl on the same skill level then get dropped in nearly every pvp encounter

[shell grove]

We back to something like 69-1 yet? still waiting

[oblique burrow]

Bring the ring back to dark and darker

[stark summit]

yes

[sharp nymph]

Let’s not, and say we did!

[native verge]

White riveted should be 3 str. Green should be 4 str and 1 affix, blue 4 str and 2 affix, purple 5 str 2 affix, gold 5 str 3 affix, unique 5str 4affix.

All itemization like that will fix the game immediately.

Oh and give us the 15hp back. Or at least make it a % of the previous classes max hp, so barb would lose 15 but wizard etc only lose 10

[finite crescent]

Barb today has 22 less hp than it had yesterday WITH the robust perk equipped

[nimble magnet]

this is very very good, This applied to all items would be an amazing change. because right now like it has been, squire items make you feel so weak you cant even compete with greenies

[native verge]

Are you saying that because the vigor changes on items, or completely naked? Nothing in the patch made them lose hp like that...

Edit: how so? Nothing else changed...

[finite crescent]

lmao i said with the robust perk a barb did lose health compared to yesterday

[little sun]

Well i tried, patch is boring cya later

[nimble magnet]

they didnt lose health, they arent as geared as before starting out. he really needs to bring up the base stats of gear from one. doing it like what thundufin just suggested would be perfect.

[worn bear]

AYO on the real, flattened attributes got me and a couple other homies back on the game after almost a year of break. I definitely feel that patch 69 was a step in the right direction, albeit maybe a bit too far. Optimal is for sure 4 points up to green, 5 up to purple, 6 upwards. A good blue should be better than a shitty legendary. (THAT IS THE KEY). I respect whatever direction you go in, just consider the fact that the 12k ppl online are the same 12k ppl online yesterday with the changes. To appeal to a larger audience you need to stop appealing to the 10% of the playerbase that plays 16hrs a day and spam this chat with their 3 friends and appeal to people that play games more casually, yknow, for fun. Take for example rust, when the changed the recoil to "pull down" instead of a pattern, they lost me as a player and 10k other veterans but they gained 70k daily players in that absence.

[native verge]

I'm asking how

[terse sable]

Okay so everyone that actually liked patch 69 is either A - a barb or ranger main. Or B - a squire kit player. Both of which are the only reason anyone could like that patch. Or C - you lack braincells

[finite crescent]

lmao when im looking at a characters raw stats changing why would i be wearing gear if i wanted to see the RAW stat? are you okay?

[shrewd kelp]

if you dont like finding gear this game isnt for you simple as. just go play fortnite or valorant

[twin pier]

ok so things i would like to see is claws for rogue a whip for fighter rogue ranger druid a pole hammer for fighter barb cleric bolas for everyone u can reacquire throwables off of enemy's bodies ex barbs with frannies or rogues with knives. also add short spear that can be used with round shield

[nimble magnet]

The raw stats are kinda low is what im saying. early game kinda feels like a slog. like thats the whole argument between the gear disparage. its too wide it needs to be crunched just maybe not as hard as 69

[plucky helm]

I got curious and looked at steam reviews and damn it’s like 30% negative

[finite crescent]

you are asking how it lost health? lmao with no gear on i had over 155 health with the robust perk equipped YESTERDAY. and now TODAY with NO GEAR ON Barbarian has 138 health WITH ROBUST ACTIVE

[graceful storm]

yeah some of those are gonna be permanent unfortunately but a good bit have been reverted I bet. Everyone who hasnt done that yet should definitely do it soon

[little cedar]

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🇹 🇭 🇪 🇷 🇪 🇮 🇸 🅰️ 🇬 🇪 🅰️ 🇷 🇩 🇮 🇫 🇫

IT'S JUST NO LIFE SWEATS WHO DEPEND ON GEAR TO STOMP LOBBIES IN A 8️⃣ 🇰 🇬 🇪 🅰️ 🇷 🇸 🇪 🇹
EVERY UNDER-GEARED PLAYER IS NOW JUST 1 OR 2 SHOT BY ANY SWEAT IN THEIR BIS 🇬 🇪 🅰️ 🇷

THE BEST KITS ARE ATTAINABLE WHEN YOU HAVE NO LIFE AT ALL.

IT TAKES LESS THAN 4 MINS TO KILL SPECTRAL IF YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME PRACTICING IT AND MASTERED IT ALREADY.

New players don't have time to learn how to kill spectral knight in 4 mins.
New players don't have the same ability to put together a "usable" BIS kit.
They get access to a market function that sells their items at a small fee, which new players probably don't care much about.
They get access to a market function that allows you to buy listed items, that they probably don't have the time to farm anyways.
They get access to 3 first floor bosses (Sorry cyclops, ur worth rags) that can drop thousands at a time for just 4 minutes of fighting them, but they'll probably get killed mid boss fight by a sweat farming the >25 lobby bosses.
They're able to play <25 gs (easy) lobbies to fight mentioned bosses, assuming they can even make it to inferno.
Historically the most boosted item drop rates in the dark and darker times, which is great for those with tons of time to play and can filter through all the gear that has bad secondary stat rolls on it now.
How are you still content with your weak mental state that depends on "gear-diff"ing other players? There are countless thousand+ hour players still getting mopped by people who chose to play all day to farm the best gear, and then 1 or 2 tap them in combat.

WE'VE COME SO FAR FROM THE PLAYTEST ERA, YET WE'RE STUCK IN THIS DUMB MINDSET

[drifting finch]

Why? From all those changes barb has been buffed by removing 15hp to everyone. Please delete the barb.

[dire cedar]

This person was in favor of multiclassing don’t listen to their opinion.

[shell grove]

69-1 yet?

[native verge]

By "no gear" do you actually mean full vigor squire kit? If not screenshot or don't believe you lol

[last spoke]

playtest 1-3 were the best this game was.....

[little cedar]

AYO on the real, flattened attributes got me and a couple other homies back on the game after almost a year of break. I definitely feel that patch 69 was a step in the right direction, albeit maybe a bit too far. Optimal is for sure 4 points up to green, 5 up to purple, 6 upwards. A good blue should be better than a shitty legendary. (THAT IS THE KEY). I respect whatever direction you go in, just consider the fact that the 12k ppl online are the same 12k ppl online yesterday with the changes. To appeal to a larger audience you need to stop appealing to the 10% of the playerbase that plays 16hrs a day and spam this chat with their 3 friends and appeal to people that play games more casually, yknow, for fun. Take for example rust, when the changed the recoil to "pull down" instead of a pattern, they lost me as a player and 10k other veterans but they gained 70k daily players in that absence.

[native verge]

AYO on the real, go back to general chat with your copypasta cringe bullshit bruv, nobody cares

[fiery pilot]

and yet we have less people playing then patch 69-1

[little cedar]

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[hoary talon]

they won't change it bc they already cucked out. Squire gear and Legendary gear having same base stats was mad, but the difference shouldn't be too much. Also they should give us "socketing" options to edit and modify or reroll bonuses on any quality of item

[native verge]

Fighter/Rogue main... copy pasta nonsense.. yeah easy block, GL with those mental issues bud

[cursive shale]

Look world of whorecrafts fucking gem shit only worked for it. We really don't need more power unless it's specifically bumps to other things that stats normally influence.
It also means grinding for things in slots which may not be bad but makes putting together a BiS kit not only longer but makes them ultimately more sweaty.

[twin pier]

ok so things i would like to see is claws for rogue a whip for fighter rogue ranger druid a pole hammer for fighter barb cleric bolas for everyone u can reacquire throwables off of enemy's bodies ex barbs with frannies or rogues with knives. also add short spear that can be used with round shield this is new content maybe even change how the game is played slightly like adding a way to counter oncoming attacks with a parry system to make less run away game play possible for the kite classes

[native verge]

@finite crescent I take it from the silence that your numbers were including the 5str or 5vigor white items from squire kit...

Lol

[wispy steeple]

@cursive shale that guy messaged me who didnt prove his point about barbarian last night. spammed my dm and then said goodbye and that he knows my kind XD kinda rascist.

[finite crescent]

lmao i went to grab a plate of food bro calm down LMFAOOOO and no when i say NO GEAR ON, i meaaaanannnnnn ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THE BODY im convinced you've never looked at raw stats before

[cursive shale]

BAHAHAHAHA

[twin pier]

guy cry u got like 200hp naked other classes dont even get 100

[last spoke]

playtest era with 4k players was fine lol go back to the old ways and let the noobs and people with no skill leave lol fight for portals, grind for gear. this is no longer a hardcore game, need to go back to why it was popular to begin with

[finite crescent]

That got nerfed LMFAO barbarian WITH robust has 138 right now while having no clothes on.

[desert orchid]

I was playing hr earlier and relived ppl are actually geared and not squire warriors

[twin pier]

u still have 1/3 more hp then everyone else in the game...

[native verge]

(X) Doubt.

Have proof? Also doubt

[hoary talon]

How does it make it longer when right now your bis is farming until you get it right or buying it from the AH for billions of gold?
Just give us the option to reroll bonus rolls on the items we find and make it account not character wide. Suddenly you are more closer to your bis by playing the game instead of trading

[finite crescent]

LMFAOOOOOO pick a VC and i'll join it to show you, you are sounding like a free player thats stuck on one character

[graceful star]

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[native verge]

Barb has been 138hp naked with robust since the -15hp.. last hotfix didn't do anything to their health lol

[cursive shale]

Because part of that is if you lose the sockets in your gear as well it means having to find more of it.
Unless you're going based on a character rune setup similar to how perks work for character slotting, then we are frankly just padding on extra stats for the sake of doing so.
Apologies if I may not fully grasp what you're getting at.

[little cedar]

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[atomic condor]

do buffs and healing snapshot when they are applied? or do they change as you switch your gear. So like if you drank a potion or cast natures touch and then swapped to magic healing weapons for example,

[twin pier]

rogue 90 wiz 85 ranger 90 fighter 100 barb138 bard 95 druid 100 whats the odd hp pool its barb bc hes a hp tank

[minor gulch]

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[small vale]

based

[finite crescent]

lmfao even with 15 hp more, yall do no dmg anyways so whats the point, go tell me your raw strength stat if each character with the -15 hp loss had a bit more strength raw i think it would be a decent impact

[native verge]

So you concede? LUL. My raw strength stat on which character?

[knotty kernel]

Barb is also a magic resistance and tank, and can also get an absurd amount of PDR as well. Barb is a stat check machine

[finite crescent]

You do no damage anyways. 15 health doesn't matter as much as yall cry about it LOL that's not conceding to anything you've said actually, i've just said everyone should have higher base strength without gear involved

[native verge]

15 health doesn't matter as much on barbarian as it does literally every other class. Overheal on cleric isn't worth taking now, because max hp-15 etc also I wasn't the one crying that 155 hp barb is now 138 hp barb LUL

[crude berry]

feels good to be able to loot again 😂

[atomic condor]

it also isn't JUST -15 hp, that's 15 less hp to scale with from %health bonuses

[little cedar]

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[main phoenix]

please lift my hardware ban i’m going through withdraw

[paper forum]

What class/classes do you think goes best with fighter and bard

[ancient jungle]

Legitimate gameplay question, if this isn't the place for this please yell at me about it lol.

I have about 120 hours in this game and suck horribly at pvp. I am unable to play most weekends so arena is off the table, but what do people recommend for practicing solo pvp in an efficient manner?

[earnest cliff]

Spawn rush people in ruins or goblin caves

[frail ivy]

go to forgotten castle, run to the next spawn as soon as the game starts

[crude berry]

ranger/wizard to help in those ranged fights. rogue if you want to bait

[native verge]

If you want sweat solo pvp, can't really beat GC, pretty compact. Or can go Ice Caves if you want random PvP encounters with less sweaty people. I'm assuming normals <25gs

Ruins map is dogwater IMO and as soon as you start winning the fight most people will just try to disengage over walls etc

[earnest cliff]

I think it's great practice for that reason, people are gonna try and run always, might as well get used to stopping em

[frail ivy]

Question: if i buy 15 redstone and use it to get legendary, is that permenant or is it a seasonal thing (edit: I assume its permanent, but you never know with games)

[ancient jungle]

Alright sounds good, thanks all

[native verge]

Just as long as he's not cleric it is good practice. But still gets incredibly annoying, especially with how many druids/rangers there are usually in ruins

[earnest cliff]

Yes it's one-time purchase. @native verge yeah cleric is having a tough time rn I hear

[frail ivy]

ty

[paper forum]

Arena opens Thursday night so there's that

Otherwise I recommend rushing to mid in goblin caves <25gs. Learn how to skip modules (run past all the mobs to the next door, without bothering to kill any mobs)

[distant fiber]

guys is barb back to being mid now

[native verge]

Ye Cleric in ruins is the same as previous ruins iteration. The only way you're going to get kills as cleric is if the person lets you kill them.

[worthy mica]

HELP: A friend of mine who got the game through Steam (~200hrs) logged off from a run, logged back on to a fully wiped in-game account--characters fully gone, obviously including inventory. He was fully updated and has been playing daily. Has anyone seen this before? Any recourse?

[plush quarry]

when we get back the -15 hp ?

[past lark]

ur friend just played a lot without u and felt bad about telling u so he wiped his progress

[ancient jungle]

Also, follow up here.. I know this question is super subjective and kinda redundant but I basically only play Solo, and I started with Cleric while I was learning, moved to Ranger for a bit last season, and have spent most of this season playing rogue.

From a longevity standpoint, not current patch, if you had to go with your gut, which of these classes would be best for solo content for both pvp and pve and then strictly for pvp?

Just having a hard time committing to one

[worthy mica]

I was on a call with him as he logged on and saw it. Trust me, it was genuine.

[native verge]

As a Cleric main, shit is rough in Solos, I usually AP grind on a different class in solo if I have to grind solo. I usually go between warlock and rogue, both incredibly easy to AP grind and decent at PvP, just depends on what style of char i want to play

[past lark]

sure, pal

[deep echo]

Heard claric has good survivability, with healing spells and such and plate armour, but they seem kind of bad at range which makes them in my mind a good pve class mostly, as someone with range and speed will have a good advantage
Ranger seems rather good for a mix honestly, with a lot of range they kill melee classes very well and of course many enemies are melee or easy to dodge at range
Rogue probably also pretty good, they are hard to deal with when played right, and can open locked chests which is pretty nice

[fiery pilot]

To all the people who enjoyed patch 69 and 69-1 apparently if we down vote the same as all the sweats who are controlling the future of this game. We might get a revert

[desert orchid]

how expensive is chocolate chip muffin

[flat haven]

There’s not enough of you:)

[deep echo]

Still a minority

[charred sparrow]

At least 40k

[desert orchid]

nice, I found my first one today

[fiery pilot]

tell that to the player numbers

[deep echo]

I played a little today, and got excited to find a green pair of boots
You can not make this up, collecting gear should have a purpose because this is not a battle royal game

[bold mesa]

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[charred sparrow]

Congrats it'll now stay in your inventory forever and never be used or sold because it's almost impossible to hold the amount of money you'd get off of it. I'd honestly suggest taking screenshpts of it in your inventory and show off to some freinds then sell it to a noob for 1 gold amd tell them to never get rid of it since it's a end game item that yoy need for the last quest

[past lark]

this is beautiful poetry, it reads like a reddit reply

[mossy canopy]

Range meta is so boring.

[upper willow]

Do with need Blacksmith Launcher for who bought the game?

[deep echo]

I can not tell if this is a compliment or sarcasm, so I will take it as a compliment
Happy hallow's eve good sir

[native verge]

Player numbers mean nothing this far into a wipe, half the people got demi and stopped playing already. Especially after they completely just rerolled literally everyones entire stashes LUL

[bold mesa]

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[fiery pilot]

then why was everyone complaining if it didnt matter this far into the wipe

[hoary talon]

Nah I don't mean actual sockets. Just give us a consumable currency like silver coins or candy corn and let us roll 1 of the modifiers of an item. Could also make a smith and place it in Inferno or Ice Abyss too to make it challenging

[cursive shale]

OKAY THAT CLEARS UP ALOT.
that's actually pretty baller of an idea

[deep echo]

Because they want it to be improved upon into a better version of the unique game it was, rather than changed into a different game which is ultimately just a worse version of many others doing similar things

[fiery pilot]

You are all the same people that were here at 7 am when I went to sleep wtf are you guys doing with your lives that you have to shit on anyone that enjoyed patch 69

[bold mesa]

@ionic forge i responded to one and tagged the other, is ur brain 2 small to understand?

[deep echo]

Pretty sure different time zones exist
But uh, people that enjoyed patch 69 were people who were after the game not being a loot and extract game anymore, which is not really a great path for the game tbh

[hollow condor]

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[vague grove]

I was just playing in ice caves & died before extracting with at least 10 seconds left it froze me the timers off or whatever

[past lark]

🇬 🇷 🇪 🇬 🇳 🇦 🇳 🇹 🫃

[floral pendant]

W DEVS

[deep echo]

Gregnant

[bold mesa]

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[vivid pendant]

it's been like that, freezes at 10 seconds, something to keep in mind

[native verge]

Wasn't here at 7am, was dropping my kid off at school then working on my land. I kind of enjoyed the patch but quickly realized that there is zero incentive to find gear if you can complete the entire game without breaking a sweat. Squire gear 1 shotting any mob that isn't nightmare/elite shouldn't be a thing lol. I would rather have a mixture of the two.

Take riveted gloves for example. Common should be 3 Strength, uncommon 3 str 1 affix, rare 4 strength 2 affix, epic 4 strength 3 affix, legendary 5 str 3 affix, unique 5 str 4 affix.

With the tightening and removal of useless mods, getting 2+ on rolls on epics is nearly guaranteed. Why do they need 4 affixes?

[half saddle]

is anyone having crazy frame drops in raid?????????????

[dire cedar]

Game is bound to end some day, might as well make it fun while it lasts, nobody would learn bosses in patch 69 because wtf was the point of farming bosses? Nobody cares about loot.

[floral pendant]

Nah

[deep echo]

Because affixs really do not add much overall

[fast vector]

Is season timer starting extra late this season or is this normal

[unique nacelle]

im honestly loving the update to make hunting traps duration slower, and thats coming from a ranger main. traps were way to op. thank you sdf

[native verge]

They don't need to if innate attributes were slightly buffed like I suggested, instead of flattened at 5/6 per item

[past lark]

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[bold mesa]

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[past lark]

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[karmic comet]

Game is saved

[pallid grove]

Wish I could get more inventory slots for quests/gold/monster items, could be a nice post lvl 20 progression

[dull nacelle]

runescape bank

[hoary talon]

just transfer it to an alt

[pallid grove]

I am not talking about stashes my dude, extra inventory slots, maybe backpacks or pouches or something

[bold mesa]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🫃 🇹 🅾️ 🫃 🇬 🫃 🇷 🫃 🇪 🫃 🇬 🫃 🇳 🫃 🇦 🫃 🇳 🫃 🇹, sike, return to 69.1

[earnest cliff]

accurate

[little cedar]

I said last 30 days were 52% negative. The majority already down voted. Btw: MAKE SURE TO LEAVE A NEGATIVE REVIEW SO WE CAN GET BACK PATCH 69.1. REMEMBER WHAT WEVE BEEN TOLD “Review bombing is a tactic” last 30 days the reviews are at 52% negative. 69.1 enjoyers keep the negative reviews coming.

[keen wren]

reviews never recover

So guess cleric is back on S tier?

[little cedar]

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[hard rock]

Didn't ask brotha but hope you have a good day

[torn inlet]

The game fixed?

[river rampart]

review bombers need to get toot of terrored on 👎

[earnest cliff]

This trap nerf is awesome

[languid mantle]

helppp

[supple dirge]

most based comment in general chat

[keen wren]

this is game-discussion

[next oasis]

we POE now?

[thorn crown]

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[barren stump]

does boss loot get rolled by whoever gets the last hit to kill it or whoever opens body?

[fiery pilot]

and yet the steam review go down again guess its not just a minority that enjoyed patch 69-1

[dire cedar]

Crying while his favorite patch was dropped, and now he’s crying even after the changes were made. When do you actually play the game in between all of this moaning?

[past lark]

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[keen wren]

😢 shit you can tell im crying fr fr

[ocean gale]

Whats the dealeo with this halloween stuff in the announcements

[analog valve]

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[sharp nymph]

What does the #hallows-eve-announcements thing mean? Is there something to get?

[lethal anchor]

nerf ranger lol

[dire cedar]

Been in here consistently since 69 dropped, you’re in shambles that your opinion isn’t validated by the rest of the community. Back to Fortnite for you bud

[keen wren]

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[delicate gull]

ok since gen chat is clearly full of complaining andys i guess i ask a question here. is anyone else having frame issues alot? my game keeps going to 25-40 fps every now and then and all my stuffs updated i have a good pc so it shouldnt be my pc

[hoary talon]

Idk ab poe but it's a good system I think

[sharp nymph]

What does the #hallows-eve-announcements thing mean? Is there something to get? Can someone help me out? All I’m seeing is people whining and crying.

[lethal anchor]

yes ever since 69 everytime it happens i click window key and go back in

[ocean gale]

Thats what I'm trying to figure out

[weary pasture]

I think the main issue is that cleric is a turtle

[compact sandal]

@sharp nymph Unfortunately, there's just so many people complaining it's hard to filter through it all.

[karmic comet]

💯 .
Game is saved

[sharp nymph]

@compact sandal @ocean gale wouldn’t it be nice if the community could come together for once instead of being toxic complaining garbage?

[ocean gale]

This game has a pretty cringe community ngl.

[compact sandal]

Unfortunately, because of the review bombing causing slight roll backs, the community now believes that if they bomb enough they'll get what their hearts desire; however, they fail to realize that they're just tanking the entire game.@sharp nymph

[dire cedar]

Trust I know let them squeal like the swine they are

[karmic comet]

Right like theres always Fortnite, CoD, Mordhau and Chivalry 2 for all the people that need to be fully kitted by the squire

[sharp nymph]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well done, and I totally agree @ocean gale I wish there was a friendly community run discord for this game sometimes

[graceful storm]

review bombing doesnt do anything, sdf played himself and didnt like it thats why they reverted

[ocean gale]

100% false. @next oasis, bad reviews steer away new players. While this game does have a community, it's only an average of like 20k. This game needs MONEY to keep alive, which is why we are seeing an increase of price of items in the shop. A great way to make money is new players, but if someone sees a fat "negative" on steam, they aren't going to touch it

[next oasis]

You both need evidence to back up your words. Especially if you're throwing 100%s around.

[quiet sun]

Can we get an in game tutorial that teaches the non gamers how to play the game I think that would help new players
Or maybe a campaign like for honor

[sharp nymph]

“I can’t pursue what I want while ignoring our players’ grief” -sdf

Meaning he saw how the community was feeling, and reacted accordingly

[graceful storm]

🥱 its in general chat. sdf didnt like his own patch

[subtle goblet]

Catering to the sweaty streamers got us to 2k playercount last time. Hopefully not this time

[compact sandal]

@graceful storm Fair enough; however, the community now believes that it can move mountains. So, instead of just letting it cook, they're continuing to carpet bomb, which is ruining the game and creating more toxicity, which in turn makes obtaining more peeps more difficult

[sharp nymph]

Yeah this 1000%, community is going to kill this game unfortunately. The constant review carpet bomb shenanigans are just pathetic.

[graceful storm]

this is true. They will have one more really big chance to bring in players in the future, other than normal wipes, which will be the game coming out of early access. Hopefully they get it together by then

[quiet sun]

You can't make dark souls an easy game to invite new players

[pallid shoal]

don't forget pooping

[compact sandal]

@quiet sun I don't want an easy game. I want the community to actually come together and help to build a good game, instead of tanking it to try and get what they want.

[ocean gale]

Dark souls you are primarly fighting the environment, not some neckbeard who is going to throw slurs at you after they kill you

[thin fulcrum]

Why does "Found by" Or "Crafted by" go away if you put it into another characters stash but not use it?

[solid harbor]

Hey all so whats the change in the gear score is is 125 now for normal lobbies or still 25?

[subtle goblet]

and thats why its a better game

[candid river]

what is the armor scrap used for besides quests

[ocean gale]

Thats it. Quests

[lean dagger]

when the game released on steam it was nothing like the playtest, a completely different game, game was the most successful when it was a pvp focused Br with pve elements, when playtest enjoyer found out its not the same game anymore they quit. Thats what a lawsuit does do a game ig.

[graceful storm]

it did change a lot. Im torn on the circle I like it both ways. without it seems like less action per match, and with it I would sometimes get pissed when you couldnt find a port at the very end of a match after killing everyone. the circle did used to be insane tho it would get nuts toward the end of a match and everyone had to fight or die lol

[livid copper]

Looking to start playing - What game server has more people on it?

[wanton otter]

Go to Marketplace, filter by Legendary, Hold W to gear gap.

[frosty rose]

can i pull a named unique from cyclops

[void wasp]

Me complaining about unskilled gearcucks after walking in a straight line at the Ranger in BIS (a green frost amulet and a cape(I have never seen loot better than squire before))

[signal osprey]

crybabies won i see

[ocean gale]

Yes they did

[karmic comet]

GAME IS SAVED

[keen wren]

[young belfry]

Leveling a new toon level 70 fighter clearing lobby in 24 gs. Wonder why new peeps dont stick around

[ocean gale]

Yeah all of my friends I tried to get to play quit after getting spawn rushed in sub 24s one too many times

[red nacelle]

I dont understand a rollback like this. The way they develop and then immediately back out is not good for business. So much wasted time and resources

[thin fulcrum]

how far back they rollback?

[ocean gale]

Bruh you gotta blame the people that play the game on this one IMO. Negative reviews are bad PR, and a solid 60-70% of the community started screaming to review bomb the game. Doesn't matter if the patch is BAD, or whatever your opinion on it is, starting to review bomb and leave negative PR for the game is going to make them think twice, especially with how small the community is

[grave rapids]

would love a (single) map with the closing circle back and the portals. thoughts?

[red nacelle]

Shoulda stuck to their guns , they still had a lot of support. The whole point was to get new players not keep the old stale ones who are reluctant to change

[thin fulcrum]

Only issue i had with circle was not being able to find an extract at the end and dying..but with recovery that issue is resolved.

[ocean gale]

Yeah like I said before, non of my friends really want to even try to play the game anymore lmao. This community is very gate keepy with the "git gud" mentalility on how everything in the game is supposed to run. I can respect being upset that legendaries aren't SUPER crazy, but the current system reaaallly benefits the people that play this game 24/7

[gaunt flax]

I find either system fine to play with. I only wish that they would considered something right in the middle, to satisfy both sides. Where gear score doesn't affect skill, but there are still a difference between rarities.

[ocean gale]

That's the GOLDEN way to do it. The reality is you need to cater to the new player in a way, obiously don't try to piss off the long term players as much, but this game doesn't really have a good way for new players to get involved. Yes sub 24s exist, but the amount of times I personally have been spawn rushed in those lobbies tells me enough how new players are going to experience the game.

[young belfry]

24gs is broken also. Sweats come in and clear lobbies

[woven matrix]

anyone else realize how there are a lot of gamers in the DaD community that use the F slur?

[cinder prairie]

why doesnt the long bridge quest complete for me

[young belfry]

Not surprised pretty toxic community they have now. Caving will only make it worst

[woven matrix]

cause you went to the wrong long bridge.

[cinder prairie]

WHERE IS IT THEN?

how is that even possible? it checks off when im in the match but doesnt complete when i leave

[ocean gale]

The community will 100% kill the game if this game dies ngl.

[analog valve]

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[woven matrix]

its in crypts, the room with a bridge going diagonal with some deathskulls and a chest in the middle. if you get the checkmark are you escaping?

[cinder prairie]

yeah im not decending, ive done it three times cause i thought i did it, figured i musta died, then did it again actually checking that it was checked on in the quest log

[gaunt flax]

After playing both of the sides for awhile, I came to like being able to choose the attributes I would take in high quantities. It allowed it to be fast paced. But at the same time, the problem was that gear felt weaker. There was no difference to account for.

But I do admit, after playing this new patch, that it does feel a little slow to play below 25 lobbies. People who claim that below 25 lobbies are the way to go for people who do not like "gear diff" fail to see that it can be tedious and less fun to play with weaker characters.

The worst side to all of this? People who want a singular defined thing without considering what is good and bad of each side. Yes, they should have tested this on the test servers before bringing it in, but the worse part was the lack of communication. Acknowledging the players from each "side" of this argument could have resolved the toxicity and given them time to fix everything to an equal level. There should not be "majorities". It should be playable for all of those who enjoy the game.

[past lark]

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[ocean gale]

I think the problem with the test server stuff is that I don't think there's really a solid amount of people who even play on the test servers.

[quick shuttle]

Return the 15 HP, that is all

[prime egret]

WEAPONS AND SHIELDS CANT GET ACTION SPEED NOW??? this is the best patch ever

[keen wren]

I think with the overhaul of 69 and 69-1 people would have started playing it and commented on it tho. since the changes were so fundamental

[rare oracle]

You can play normals in protected brackets. and in two games have a 2k set and literally kill anyone in hr. It is 100% a get good issue

[past lark]

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[ocean gale]

This was before the loot patch, and you are a PRIME example of the type of person I'm talking about LMAO

[gaunt flax]

Agreed. They could have absolutely made an announcement and reward for people to be incentivised to try it. Even a community poll would have helped, instead of the chaos of spamming General-chat and Game-discussion with the gigantic letters we commonly see.

[rare oracle]

Did zero to hero like I just described with my duo today. Started squire under 25s. No gear diff. All the way down to hell looting. By Game 3 we in hr and killed full bis kids + 10k gold. Get good

[ocean gale]

How long have you played the game buddy? How many hours. You are literally the definition of gate keeping mentalility LMAO

[hexed root]

Don't enjoy the sudden drop in stats :-p... I liked the interim stat change they made.. dungeons feel quite difficult after that boost.

[shrewd kelp]

Not all games are for everyone. Gate keeping this game from people who want everything to be easy and handed to them is a good thing. Go play Valorant with your e-girl pretend gf

[eternal surge]

bro all they have to do to the game now for it to be fun af is just make ranged less oppressive and aggravating to deal with as melee

[earnest silo]

Bows should be exclusive to ranger. That would help a lot.

[eternal surge]

no it absolutely would not tf? that would just mean rangers are better than every class in the game because theyre the one with access to the most op weapon type atm

i can see where youre coming from, but im 100% certain that would make the meta even more annoying

[ocean gale]

Lets just nerf rogue again tbh

[cinder prairie]

Is the long bridge quest bugged? because i havent been able to complete it

[earnest silo]

It would tone down ranged fights a lot. Force the other classes to use crossbows and increase the reload time.

[shrewd ledge]

Patch 69 was bis

[eternal surge]

it would turn into ranged vs melee and the melee user would just quit the game or swap to ranger after dealing with it a handful of times

i just seriously think all they need to do is rework the mechanics of ranged so that melee users can reliably catch up to bow users and not get kited infinitely. i believe bows should be at most an initiator and not a main source of damage

[vocal venture]

how to kill a game 101

[earnest silo]

How would you change it?

[eternal surge]

ive had a few ideas, but i like the idea of ranged weapons slowing you down for a short period after every shot, or have a more immersive mechanic that is like a stamina system which slows down successive shots until your arm is too tired to fire more arrows. maybe make it so you can only fire 3 in a short period before it being disabled temporarily, something along those lines

only thing with the second idea is people would just kite you until they can fire again, which wouldnt entirely deal with the issue

[shrewd ledge]

Just make bows heavier

[earnest silo]

Probably just delete ranger form the game and get rid of bows and crossbows would be better. With weapon master fighter just a better ranger anyways.

[hexed root]

I used to agree with you, but I think the lack of buffs for ranger after gear is applied make it hard class to play. With the limits on high roller etc.. I think range game play is pretty well balanced atm with the exception of Warlocks. their range ability/ area denial ability / pure damage ability / melee weapons available... make them currenty OP IMO, but it is a shifting forumla.... they were worthless before... so...

[keen wren]

Probably just delete the game and get rid would be better. Anyways.

[abstract charm]

i hate this game

[vocal venture]

wah wah log off

[summer solar]

Since everything is getting reverted, can we also get druid nerfs reverted? I'd like to play bear druid again 😎

[eternal surge]

nah i want ranger to exist cuz i still have hope for an entirely melee focused playstyle for them. id love to see more melee oriented ranger perks, its such a core part of what ranger is just like the bow, but i feel like a lot of people ignore that because of the name of the class

[analog valve]

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[abstract charm]

and love it

[elder bluff]

can caltrops PLEASE regenerate slowly???

[earnest silo]

That would just be rogue. It's funny that ranger can't use daggers, but bard, wizard, and druid can.

[fleet jasper]

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[eternal surge]

nah nah like a dual wield sword setup, which i understand we have slayer fighter, but theres a lot you can do with melee ranger, and considering where this game takes obvious inspiration from, id say look to that inspiration some more. imagine a ranger with a small companion or something of the sort, what if they add favored enemies to pick from for the sake of pvp? things like that. i suppose neither of those are just for melee, but my point is theres a lot they can do with the class, and melee ranger could use some love

[idle grotto]

Melee playstyle alrdy exist

[eternal surge]

yeah but ranger melee right now is just 1 perk

use spear, more damage with spear

other than that, they just use utility perks like faster traps and see footprints. id love to see more than 1 melee oriented perk

[zenith ferry]

anyone else's mouse escaping to another monitor? regardless of Display Mode.

[flint silo]

I kinda miss the old patch, though it was a little extreme, perhaps a middle ground? squish the stat gain in half, so white would be 3, blue 4, legendary 5, unique 6 , and then green would gain armor or whatever secondary stat, same with purple?

[idle grotto]

There is no need for anymore perk cuz the backstep skill is alrdy annoying enough

Backstep spear kiting playstyle alrdy annoy the hell out of ppl

And longbow with multishot

[past lark]

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[loud bane]

anyone know what is the Cockatrice Feather?

[cursive shale]

a cockatrice's feather... like what more do ya want? it drops from a cockatrice.

[fleet jasper]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 the..

[spice mauve]

I want to put it in my hat duh

[earnest raft]

Do NPCs have armor? also, do they have stats?

[keen yew]

Should Warlocks be able to use the Horseman's Axe? I think it would be nice being able to use something that's not the Falchion when I wanna run shield. Thoughts anyone?

[quick marlin]

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[loud bane]

yeah the lucky feather is it worth something?

[earnest cliff]

I say warlocks can use plenty of weapons already. Give barb halberd and pavise tho

[cursive shale]

i wouldnt mind all the weapon proficiencies if they lumped it in with the plate talent; choose between good weapons or kiting spell kit.

[carmine hawk]

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[past pier]

They reverted everything except the HP, I honestly didn't care about anything beside getting one shotted every other fight.

[earnest cliff]

I would like to see more perk-specific benefits for certain weapon types. That way classes that have more weapon identity can benefit in more unique ways with those weapons

[sly furnace]

@glad thunder Needs a Will buff. He really should not have caved to these cry-babies. Gearscore, split gear lobbies, GBMM were all band-aid solutions to the fact that high-end gear posed a a serious hurdle to the vast majority of players (Yes, yes I know you, the master gamer, the grand-daddy hardcore, OG gamer could wipe full legendary teams blindfolded, with one hand. We get it it.) but the remaining 90% of the people who own this game could not.

Its time to deal with this issue once and for all. Flatten the gear when the next wipe begins. Don't let these fools tell you that your Dungeon Crawling game is actually supposed to be a Slot machine game dressed up like dungeons and Dragons.

[carmine hawk]

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[cobalt oriole]

Literally what the game is based off DnD

[brave storm]

REMOVE LONGSWORD PARRY DMG BONUS

[earnest cliff]

Either the gear diff needs to be able to be surpassed through an equal skill diff, or gear needed to be flattened for the lobbies to be combined like they want

[sly furnace]

Yes it's a game Based of DnD. But the main point of the game is a dungeon adventure, not to be slot machines for BIS rolls.

[brave storm]

did anyone else fill there invetory with legendaries that were going for super cheap during that trashy patch and now have 3 tabs of legendary gear to sell for sum epic stonks or is it just me?

[carmine hawk]

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[main raven]

How about, I don't know, Rangers being allowed to use the goddamn Buckler?

[next oasis]

Why are you trying to make therangert good at everything?

They have access to the best ranged weapons bar none, and you want to give them a decent defensive option too??? You want to give them a crutch to rely on when they misposition and get forced to melee?

[spark trout]

I think the argument of low impact looting = not an extraction game is dumb my key example is Hunt: Showdown. Is that game not an extraction game? The answer is it is and sdf was making the game more like hunt in my eyes were the focus needed to be on high value pei with sellable stuff with pve being less of a focus than pvp. Id say sdf has, and continues to, have 20/20 vision. W dev L vocal minority with influencer buff
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[main raven]

Fighters have access to the exact same ranged weapons Rangers have with a joke penalty and a lot better armor and weapons.

[next oasis]

Fighters are the og all rounder martial class of D&D they do everything.

[nova mauve]

did they shrink the player pools per match? I feel like I never run into anyone.

[main raven]

I'm just confused as to why Ranger can't have at least some melee capability. They shouldn't be balanced as a "ranged-only" class because you end up in this catch-22 of either "the class being doggerel because they can't stop people pushing them" or "this class is insanely OP because nothing survives to get to them".

I especially find it odd you're against a Buckler when Backstep exists and is arguably less balanced on a Spear Ranger than the Buckler would be.

[charred scaffold]

wth is this riddle

[earnest cliff]

I agree with this. Also, isn't HR the competitive format? People totally ignore that when talking about the gameplay loop. Imo the goal should be to get as many people as possible to participate in the competitive format. This is more of a comment on the goal of the devs and them wanting to reduce the amount of different queues, rather than this recent patch specifically. I think the average player should be encouraged and feel empowered to participate in HR. If the only people who play HR are those of us who can already reach demigod no problem, then what is the point of the middling ranks?

[keen wren]

20/20 vision without a backbone

[spark trout]

what would you do in his position?

[keen wren]

Keep making the game better building on 69-1, for example by increasing loot disparity at the top end again, or increase roll cap by rarity, instead of reverting all the changes that made the patch good and keeping the changes that were bad, such as -15hp

also he should have just used the test server for all this

PvE too easy because of increased stats and hp?
Make PvE hit harder

[steady pebble]

@iron gyro letsgoski

[spice mauve]

Let me cook:
Remove Poor and Unique rarities.
Common has uncommon attributes just no modifier.
Bring back 15 hp
Shuffle Map Tiles every rotation w/ fog of war per tile
Remove Rat. 5 sec per transformation CD so no chaining panther chicken.
Wizard Teleport Ability (net negative distance if not using insta cast)
Remove Traps for Quiver
Remove Hide for no MS penalty on DJ
Customizable BIS for Arena
Combine all Bard instruments to 1 to unclutter utility slot and loot poolrities.

[narrow fern]

ive always been a painter myself some would say i go and waste buckets of paint those pesky shapes always take so much time all for what a mere distraction

[bleak leaf]

finally i figured out the riddle

[narrow fern]

i think i solve it

[granite pendant]

GUYS VOTE ME FOR DARK AND DARKER I WILL:
fix the shitty bosses (wyvern, cyclops, banshee, lich, ghost king)
add new skills and perks (esp for druid who desparately needs different playstyles; earth spells sound fun)
make mobs / dungeon more difficult and give a greater variety as well as better AI (esp elite and nightmare)
make the dungeon darker (more torches off, some can start removed)
add volumetric fog & effects
remove attributes from clothing, just armor and speed
add enchanting system to armor and weapons to introduce player choice for playstyle
add experience and class training system for minor buffs and classwide permanent skills (e.g. druid's herbal sensing) that deserve to be a class perma-buff and not a selected skill
add adrenaline; when you get within a range of an enemy (5m) you get a visible screen effect and buffs/debuffs to affect running away, fighting, etc (works with invis rogues; they can be buffed again now)
add more artifacts that are not necessarily unique
more utility spells for wizard / druid / warlock / cleric
REMOVAL OF GEAR SCORE AND RETURN OF COMMON / HIGHER THAN COMMON LOBBIES
give rogue pots/caltrops/ranger rations ability to be found randomly in the dungeon to recharge them through breaking crates etc.
give more time in the dungeons and an inter-lobby rest period (20-25 minute lobbies where escape times are the same)
drastically change boss fights to prevent annoying rat-style interference and actually make bosses scary
an idea for this is to make the hell arena a drop-off into a fiery arena for more atmosphere
wyvern arena could levitate upward with the beginning of the fight
guilds / clans and community / town notice board systems
guild-issued random quests / party / clan quests
perfect parries result in ripostes but otherwise block as normal
MAKE EVERYTHING WORSE WITH A WIDER RANGE TO SCALE UPWARD
GIVE NEW PLAYERS SOLO DUNGEONS TO GET USED TO DaD
MAKE A COMMUNITY BOARD THAT WILL GIVE FEEDBACK ON UPDATES BEFORE THEY LAUNCH

[shell grove]

I miss 69 looting. Lame just throwing blue/purple gear onto my fighter that's got stupid useless caster stats... only to kill players who are also using colorful armor with useless stats

[gloomy willow]

Game feels awesome right now, W patch

[spark junco]

69.1 was amazing for new players and people who dont play as much, 68 was amazing for sweats/loot goblins

[chrome haven]

lich, banshee, ghost and cyclops are all amazing bosses that mostly work when fought as a trio.

I think you mean fix the garbage solo only bosses:
Wyvern
Troll
Warlord
Spectral Knight

[subtle folio]

LOL

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[steady pebble]

@iron gyro double letsgoski

[jade hollow]

Is it a bug that it takes heavy boots to craft golden plate boots

[shrewd kelp]

your kind is not welcome in this game. play some casual pvp game and stop trying to turn every game into the same slop

[glossy flax]

I don't understand how to fight a good ranger.

[plucky torrent]

can someone help me for spectral knight

[restive iron]

Is the grind for demigod difficult

[limber badge]

they hated him for he spoke the truth

[smoky iron]

I'll pay someone 5000 gold to carry me through lich

[jade crypt]

I do genuinely with no bait think it's pathetic how the sweaters try and gatekeep this game so hard lol

[jade hollow]

this game wasn't fun where looting didn't mean anything

[jade crypt]

Loot was still important unless you were just spamming normals, is that to say you're fine with all sub stats being removed and only base stats being important? The squish was perhaps a little heavy handed but it made each class feel viable without high investment and made it easier to experiment with other builds.

[jade hollow]

Also resulted in fights lasting 1 or 2 hits. I would just rush spawns and stomp over the lobby.. it wasn't fun after like 3-4 games. whites should maybe give like +3 base stat but 5 was insane .

[jade crypt]

Because you're playing normals and not HR where people are using good gear haha.

[jade hollow]

No i did it in HR though

[chrome haven]

I will admit, barbarian in HR was hilarious fun, like stupid, broken and not healthy for the game.

But just running battle axe move speed barb and going solo in trios was hilarious, ruined entire teams of geared players because you could get into the back like and one tap the cleric/wizard in a base kit, you lose ? load up go again.

[chrome haven]

Really ? Lich is easy AF, do you need HR or norms ? HR is honestly a pain to get too because sweatlords, but norms is trivial

[jade hollow]

I did that but with ranger lol

[smoky iron]

Yeah lmao I don't have too much time to learn the boss and I want to get the spectral cf before the season's up

[dense ferry]

why does the trading post keep scrolling when i scroll up. i cant read anything...

[prisma elbow]

Well goodjob you guys killed the game through review bombing. Game pop is getting smaller day but day. It’s sad to see

[sly moss]

why is a greeen bow 50+ GS? You going bak and forth with these useless ass changes accomplishing nothing, but a green bow is 50gs?

[sly furnace]

Everyone needs to understand that this game is supposed to survive for a decade. It's lost HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of players in 1.5 years

[chrome haven]

Double windlass was also fun, but the solid "bonk" of double axe was irresistable for me.

@smoky iron I'm OCE so if you're OCE once im finished at work I can help you out. but honestly the fight is circle right and win,easiest to learn imo.

[exotic crypt]

died instantly to 2 curse of pain in HR to someone in a 20k+ kit lmaooo. brain rot character.

zero counter play to that other than literally hide, don't make sound, don't get hit, don't get caught, kill them first, (very likely when the fight starts from 20ft away getting CoP'd to 1/2 hp)

[scenic wren]

every 2 handed weapon is the same

HR is still just barbarians with bardich running everyone down with 1 taps. Can we fix this shit?

[spice mauve]

That's the neat part. You dont. Cleric basically hard loses. You need to play doorsy and make them impatient

[sly furnace]

Yeah, encountering a good ranger as a slower class is just death.

I run into the MP5 Rangers (Survival bow) and you get turned into a pin cushion within seconds.

[nova mauve]

fighting an archer on wizard feels like such a pointless fight i just run away lol

[spice mauve]

Just hit ur fireball 4head

[nova mauve]

by the time i land a fireball i get shot like 3 times and im dead lol, and it takes multiple fireballs to kill an archer

[thorny tusk]

Genuine question: Does anybody on the dark and darker dev team (or whoever is in charge of making changes for the game) actually play the game? Like at all? Like all gear scores, all classes, uses a variety of perks, and tests solo duo and trio lobbies before making any type of update to the game? Because it really feels like they don't do any testing whatsoever or listen to any feedback from people who play the game... just me?? It feels like all they listen to are people who DON'T play the game and are just babies who refuse to learn the game before whining to make it easier for them.

[spice mauve]

Clearly not Michael Jackson levels of movement

[sly furnace]

I think they listen to streamers, and REALLY good players. Which is bad because you can't design games around those people. They're too good, and there aren't enough of them for a game to economically viable.

[nova mauve]

kinda sucks too because I feel like 90% of the fights i get into its just rangers everywhere in the dungeon.

[narrow fern]

There Morse code at the bottom of the cypher “haha tricked you! Next time maybe it’ll be a treat!” @zinc sparrow

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[trail flicker]

Well you're just makikng this all up so dont worry too much about it 😉

[smoky iron]

Ah damn I think our time difference might make it impossible, I'll be in bed soon

[earnest current]

Game so dead , hacker leave the game , Farmer leave the game , Player who play to enjoy leave the game , no one in the game on my sever region , another good game dead

[narrow fern]

The cypher
“ive always been a painter myself some would say i go and waste buckets of paint those pesky shapes always take so much time all for what a mere distraction. “

Then there Morse code at the bottom that’s decoded as “haha tricked you! Next time maybe it’ll be a treat!”

[earnest current]

If Ironmace have brain just update the beta test patch better than a years of patch right now , so mjany useless buff and keep targeting one class and nerf to the ground and keep buff the ranger fighter and barb

[neon quarry]

that last patch was some booty

[sly furnace]

I wonder what the average age of people here is. I swear it's like talking to 14 year olds.

[valid smelt]

@prisma elbow Hardly the player's
Fault. It's the devs releasing patches that are made by someone who doesn't seem to play the game.
Why did it take so long to nerf traps, for example?
Or why warlock and druid are still the way they are?

[earnest current]

all the game right now not the patch , release new class new thing make game more unbalance , broken stuff not fix but still want to have new thing , game dead when you see no player in the game , hacker and farmer getting bore to play

[neon quarry]

there will never be a balance.

[gusty egret]

why does my triumph level say max? The blue shards

[chrome haven]

Well if you still haven't got it do e on the weekend @ me I have no plans this weekend

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[spice mauve]

Is there a point to rank up? I hit wanderer 1 but I feel like if I keep ranking up I'll just start losing gear more often and it doesn't feel like the gear has improved.

[smoky iron]

Will do, thanks

[eager dew]

Every normal human being are stimulated to getting better, mechanics and things in life should reward experience and skill. Listening to noobs usually kills off games. Listening to good players usually result to a healthy game.

[spice mauve]

Weird cuz the reviews have been coming more positive seems all you NPCs are the minority after all

[eager dew]

What are you talking about? New players to this game can go sub 25/125.

[spice mauve]

Minority? Then why are the steam reviews slowly going up again. You'd think you guys advocating for down votes would mean an even bigger downswing especially since a majority of people won't take their negative review down.

I'm a new comer and you know how I broke the "gear disparity." You practice by taking budget kits into HR till you actually win a fight it's not hard and they're cheap. A single troll pelt is like 8 budget kits. The game is described as hardcore unforgiving. Not baby casual game. It's not supposed to have a monster pop

[swift crater]

funny how the game existed without the patch for 99% of it's life and had the worst numbers we've seen in a while when it did.

[sand jolt]

wierd sense of humor

[spice mauve]

I am so proud for leaving a negative review on a product I no longer like nor trust the devs

[swift crater]

I said nothing about negative reviews, and you people are literally doing the exact same thing, you're no better.

[eager dew]

It’s nice to see the same 3 names that are disappointed about 69.2 hotfix

When 69.1 hotfix came, hundreds disliked it

[zealous skiff]

691 is the best patch by far. No grind and can kill drip player.

Now all no life player complaining they revert it back.

[swift crater]

I could list several individuals who are way better at the game that genuinely don't need gear to win anything who also think the batch was badly timed and shouldn't of been put out, but instead I'll just say this whole situation is because of miscommunication and flip floppity direction. You can like or hate patch 68/69, but I'll never understand why people think it had to be implemented right in the middle of wipe.

Ok.

[eager dew]

I love how you are spending most of your time here rather than doing anything else.

[subtle swallow]

what is the hallows eve thing

[keen wren]

[fallen ravine]

far too reasonable, f this guy, streamer glaze for life

[keen wren]

😭

[elfin acorn]

yea the streamer glazing in this community is crazy when it comes to balance

and then disagreeing with any popular opinion makes you a timmy. my bad that i liked 69.1 and the direction it was going, i had fun with it

[keen wren]

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[errant stream]

if u aint got gear start looting chests noobs

[tepid quarry]

Some people have a life. I recommend trying that. It's not only about gear, but time. This game needs bigger player base. Ironmace should succeed.

[errant stream]

game had 50k players last wipe and gear was alot harder to get

[wanton otter]

most grounded take yet.

[errant stream]

its like playing diablo with base gear and wondering why you can't beat the final boss

[tepid quarry]

Was that 50k when the game was released on steam..? If so, that's a big factor, which doesn't necessarily describe of the health of the game.
This is a looter/extraction game, not a generic MMORpg. Diablo does not equal Dark and Darker.

[errant stream]

go play tarkov then and try and kill someone with a alten and t6 armor with 10 pen ammo

[tepid quarry]

I was interested in tarkov, but since the cheating fiasco happened I never got into it. Sorry, can't relate.

[errant stream]

what's the point of extracting if loot is irrelevant

[timid juniper]

They just want to pvp with bis squire.

[tepid quarry]

Loot should be relevant. But not to the extent that people come up with terms "gear diffed" and so on. That's just unhealthy, I'd say. Gear diff is a bit too high and I'd like that to be toned down a BIT, not removed altogether.
@timid juniper Yes, someone that's good at PvP should have a slim chance, exactly.

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[wary wagon]

Call me a Timmy or whatever but all you founders edition people, or highroller exclusive skeleton guys need to chill on going in on normal matches and killing just for fun just to extract with nothing but maybe to 3 or 4 pieces of gear that are worse then the ones you bought. God forbid i try and just go in and play casually and just loot normally. if i through my hands up and crouch and you kill me just to not take my loot why go after me. ive been killed by you guys more then the mobs in the game its absurd. maybe loot is irrelevant for you high hr people because you already have the best gear gold can buy while im trying to look for loot scraps.

[swift grove]

Alot of people think they should have an easier time in video games because they dont have time to devote to earning rewards. Imagine if other recreational activities were like that? You don't see me sweating profusely at the starting line of a marathon demanding a scooter because I don't have time to train running.

[warm glacier]

what are all unique sellables for ? do i just vender them or

[timid juniper]

You can run from almost any class if you know map well.

[tepid quarry]

@wary wagon They just want to gear diff people to make them feel fuzzy. There is word for that in other games, usually called "griefing".

[chrome haven]

Pretend im a cleric, I have a barbarian chasing me.
How can I run ?

[warm glacier]

does no one know what the unique tressure is for?????????

[frosty violet]

How much should I buy a mid kumas fang for

[timid juniper]

Barbarian vs cleric might be best matchup for cleric, even if barbarian has good kit.

[summer bloom]

getting hit by a felling axe multple times from like 5 feet away is one of the hacks going around rn right? pretty sure just found one i reported anything else i can do?

[wanton otter]

git gud

[tepid quarry]

@swift grove If you want to be a notary in Italy, you can only do it if your family did that in the past - it's a monarchy of some sort.
Same here. You need to invest hours into this, just to have a chance to compete. That's not fun for most people. Ofcourse, it's good for you if you were lucky to be born in that family. Otherwise you're screwed.

[timid juniper]

You have to invest hours in every game to be good wdym, it's same here, want to be good invest time and learn.

[swift grove]

then most people should find an easier hobby, instead of demanding to be catered to and insulting people who are successful at the game

[chrome haven]

I'm talking <25s

you're 3-4 hit from horsemans as a cleric and you move at ~ 280 weapon drawn
barb moves at cap.

They dont need buffs to chase you down aor deal bamage you do, "I pop smite" and the barb walks away.

Unless the barb is full zugg brained he wins that fight every time and it's not even close

[wanton otter]

Go to Marketplace, filter by Legendary, Hold W to gear gap.

[timid juniper]

I was Masters in League, you think people in lower rank or in normals give a flying f, if you're good or bad, invest time and you get good at the game, I'm immortal valorant, was faceit level 10 on cs, want to be good at something invest time, and don't whine that it's a gear gap.

[tepid quarry]

@timid juniper Not necessarily. Have you ever heard of the term "p2w"? Some games can also be "broken", as some would say DnD is really close to being. Skill can be irrelevant in some games. You can be "good" and still get wrecked.
@swift grove Man, I played EVE Online, finished DS games too. It's not about something being easy or hard. DnD is not hard, it's a time sink. The game is fun and easy, it's just that time investment to even have a chance is too much and could be toned down.

[timid juniper]

Y'all want to do nothing and be strongest and best in game basically, what game has any of that, that's ranked and pvp based, and has something you can lose.

[swift grove]

Everyone starts at level 1 with a stash tab, no gold, and some shitty greys. We all build from there. Being upset that other people were able to accomplish more with it because (no life, more time, unemployed, some kind of savant) is a waste of time. Learn what they did that you're not doing and earn it

[spare glen]

Approved

[tepid quarry]

@swift grove Learn to have more time or be unemployed? Come on, man... Is that really a good game design?

[timid juniper]

It's not even that, you can get infinite gold by kikling troll and spectral, they just don't want to put in any effort and just do pvp, you call them freeloaders in other games.

[inner elbow]

Ty

[swift grove]

I ran a single 24gs game on a brand new f2p account and ended the run with 300+ GS and reasonably competitive stats. Its a skill issue and some people just can't come to terms with that

[wanton otter]

Protip: If a rogue gets the jump on you, just kiss them. The sudden shock of love and affection in their drab and dreary lives CC's them just long enough to land a lethal strike.

[spice mauve]

So true

[brisk herald]

We call them losers or commies in real life

[timid juniper]

Obviously it is, I do mostly pvp in game, i have full stash of grimsmiles and I'm demigod just from pvping not even farming ap.
And i go in with mid kits, like 3-4k gold.

[tepid quarry]

@timid juniper I don't really PvP in most games and please, don't call me a free loader. I could say that you're trying to cover up your lack of skill by having no life, but that wouldn't be nice, would it?

Idk, I'm going to do a run in 25-124 matching pool, since only that makes sense in the current state of the game.

[left fiber]

Whats the gibberish post in hallows eve announcements?

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[worthy vortex]

Oh shit it's back to the giga chads running HR because I cannot be asked to spend every waking free moment I have hunting for better gear to compete or to make the money to compete in HR,

[wanton otter]

it's called whimsy and holiday spirit.

[swift grove]

if it takes every waking moment for you farm a reasonable HR kit, thats your first clue that there are gaps in your ability. gear drops like candy. pick it up and leave the dungeon with it

[timid juniper]

I work 9hrs a day I come home and I'm still better than you what do you want me to tell you. I play game max 2-3 hrs a day.

[left fiber]

Think you may have replied to the wrong post

[worthy vortex]

so you're telling me you leave the dougen every time with full kits of uniques.

[wanton otter]

anyone get a unique monster kill yet? I havent encountered any such thing as of yet..

[tepid quarry]

That's a lot of time for a video game, good for you. I don't doubt that you're better, but gear disparity means that you being "better" is irrelevant. All I know, you might be barely having a pulse, your gear carries you.

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[swift grove]

a) you don't need a full kit of uniques to play HR. b) I leave the dungeon consistently enough that I could go 2 wipes without making a single cent and still be fine. gear is easily farmable. good players do fist-bis runs all the time, whats stopping you?

[pure oracle]

How do i add someone i ran in the dungeon and i want to add them?

[supple condor]

when spectating u can see their name and try to /w write em and if u spelled it correctly u can search for em in player list to add as friend

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[plucky helm]

I took 2 named items today in trash purples while they were in bis if you can’t farm a bad purple kit and kill ppl it’s a skill issue

[tepid quarry]

I'm new, so it definitely is a skill or knowledge issue. But gear being broken doesn't help either. It's just funny to see how many people boast here that they're "better", but they cling to their gear so much. 😂

[swift grove]

you'll get better faster when you lose the idea that gear is more important than skill. with skill comes gear

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[tepid quarry]

With knowledge, not skill. Skill is for PvP, gearing is more about knowing maps/move sets, etc... But yeah, I agree.
I just wish that white/green/blue gear was a bit better. Maybe in between of now and p 69-1.

[plucky helm]

If your new then you don’t understand that gear needs to be strong in order for the game to function if gear is not worth getting there’s nothing to grind for if you want to get better watch a YouTuber play go on some rat farm runs and build like 3 budget kits then run those the best way you can learn is to die 1000x and question why you died you owe the game a lot of deaths before you can get good

[pallid shoal]

Bruh get out of here with your ranger hate. Rangers are not anywhere close to needing a nerf atm.

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[woeful plume]

lmao

[maiden forum]

• full inv of traps is just not fun in the game
• bunny hop being fixed would be best patch ever

everything else is unneceseary

[worthy vortex]

FR this community kinda sucks to get into late, everyone just wants to claim that someone has a skill issue because I haven't spent the last 3 years of my life sweating behind some fucking keyboard for 3000 hours playing this game and telling a new players that they have a skill issue. kinda sad, The people who cried about the gear changes were the people I was killing in my squire kit in HR's last week, but now immediately after they reverted the changes I cannot get a kill in HR everyone has double the stats as me now and if I am not a sweatlord of the dungeons HR is now again only feels like a gear/stat check again,

[tepid quarry]

There are plenty of people who want this, it seems. Like there always were people in WoW who would spend their time griefing lower level players. I just don't see why that is fun or good for the game... And the fact that this makes the game a time sink is just eww.

[analog valve]

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[worthy vortex]

and yeah the game was broken when everyone was on an even playing field and this isn't okay 😉

[swift grove]

"I want to be on par with people that have more experience, time invested, and understanding of the game than me" it must be difficult to be so gifted at the game to stomp supposed 3k hour players in the dungeons but also not be able to bridge the gap in how they can acquire gear. You're so strong yet so weak. Truly one of god's mysteries

[tepid quarry]

I mean, maybe p 69-1 came too soon and at the wrong time, like it's work in progress... I wonder if they're going to try to squeeze gear together when they wipe the game again.
@swift grove Oh come on... Time sinking and skill are two different things, don't mix those up. And no one is saying that gear should be identical and irrelevant. Gear diff should still matter, just not as much as now, because now, the game is basically broken.

[worthy vortex]

this is what I am talking about, You feel attacked and now you run your mouth without any intelligent input, Please feel free to have a wonderful day!

[surreal gull]

is there any halloween stuff to hop on for ?

[swift grove]

im not attacked. I don't even PVP lol, I play as a pacifist. Gear diff means nothing to me, every fight is easily avoidable. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and how you're kinda playing victim while also bragging? its weird dude

[worthy vortex]

you are emotionally challeged if you cannot continue this conversation with your words instead of attacking me as a human being

[swift grove]

you can farm a competitive HR kit in 1-2 normals runs or just buy 225gs throwaways and go squire kitted, avoiding PVP. I do it all the time, never needed to shop for bis. From my perspective, it seems like people just want their hands held past the parts of the game that seem most difficult to them rather than learning to overcome it

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[tepid quarry]

I give up. I'm one of those people who told all the people who shouted "make dark souls easier" to suck it up. But this time, in this genre of the game, in this state of the game, that's not the case. Again, don't conflate skill with time sinking or game imbalance.

[swift grove]

again, what time sink? strong gear is more available than it has ever been. Its as simple as going into the dungeon, grabbing it, and leaving. 1-2 normals runs yields a kit that can at least not lose HR pvp engagements if you play well

[hallow garden]

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[tepid quarry]

So that means, if Squire gear had base stats (grey stats) that are close to Blue or even Purple, let's say, that would break the game? I just can't see sow that's the case... Idk, I don't want to argue anymore. I just liked that blue options mattered more, that's all. And it made the game easier to start playing.

[jade delta]

rogue invis needs to be removed or when he enters it, he must make loud ass siren noice. nothing can counter a rogue who camps under 1 door for 15+ mins

[topaz lintel]

lol

[spare aspen]

Does anyone wanna do wyvern farming if so DM me

[analog valve]

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[trail flicker]

You seem way off here. There is a reason they reverted. It was good for them to experiment but clearly just awful. The nonsense "dont conflate skill with.." comment was cringe though and the emo dramatic "i give up" no one cares, pce

[nova mauve]

whats the best loadout currently if you want to play caster wizard

[loud laurel]

If im in a party with someone who kills spectral knight would i still get quest progress?

[quaint burrow]

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[crimson beacon]

i think you do yes. I alos need to kill him but dont have the patience to solo fight him

[loud laurel]

Thank you, im in the same boat, dont have the patience to fight him solo so im hoping to find someone who is good at doing it

[crimson beacon]

Ye i dont feel like dying 20 times to learn to fight him

[glossy pike]

I can help to u guys i can do easy but i play on eu and im gonna be at home arond 3 pm

[loud laurel]

Im probably not gonna be up by then, its pretty late for me but thank you for the offer

[crimson beacon]

that would be cool, i also play EU

[tepid quarry]

Yes, talking of "skill" here is pretty cringe, that's why I don't want to talk about it. At least someone gets it, haha.

[analog valve]

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[glossy pike]

Text to me please and i will text u back when im gonna be at home 🙂

[eternal lily]

I dont like rangers but you might as well just remove the class at that point

[umbral zenith]

The warlock said, laughing to himself

[eternal lily]

I dont even play warlock

[modern atlas]

That's the point of progress

[crimson beacon]

well enjoy your progress then 🙂

[midnight ember]

These guys are just apes with ape brains. Latest patch is fine.-15 hp is wack but whatever. I just wish they didn't nuke gearsets with the affixes they removed then not add them back when they readded them. Lol IM. Who needed that 40k gold anyway

[stark tundra]

Experiencing audio bugs and what seems to be some sort of spell desynch this patch, anyone else noticed anything?

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[pine flower]

what vendors give skins as quest rewards?

[next seal]

.

[shell root]

Did anyone figure out the crypted messages?

[next seal]

"THE SECRET LIES IN THE ALTAR ROOM, BEHIND THE FALSE WALL. ONLY THOSE WITH THE MARK SHALL PASS. DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO FACE THE DARKNESS?"

[hardy stump]

people wearing 40k gear sets can make much more in a single evening, so yeah, not much of a loss for them

[vague grove]

Yes

[shell root]

And for people who aren’t that long in the game? Is that meaning the double stone door behind spectral knight or an inferno boss?

[next seal]

I think its mean goblin caves

[ripe wigeon]

JUST LET US PLAY ARENA 😭 😭 😭 😭 l

[barren trellis]

I think the goblin merchant gives the male felidian +2 dex skin

[analog valve]

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[crimson beacon]

I have an idea : If a players GS is much higher than yours: Have some kind of indicator bar that shows it (Like 150 GS higher is yellow, 250 GS higher is red etc.)... this solves the GEAR CHECKING and GEAR DIFF problem? so at least you have some kind of idea and can choose to take the fight or not?

[gusty verge]

if i start a boss fight and then run out of the room to reset the boss to heal, will the boss regen hp too ?

[umbral zenith]

Yes he fully resets

[gusty verge]

fack

[umbral zenith]

What did you expect, you Litterally leave the room?

[eternal lily]

Goblin, tavern and collector if i remember correctly

[royal urchin]

Uhm just go 124 lobbies 😂

[gusty verge]

idk, maybe some type of cheese?

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[jade crypt]

L take

[inner elbow]

• Hunting traps are no longer a looted item and removed from squire. Hunting traps is now a ranger skill that can be used twice and recharged with a blue rarity campfire
• Ranger skills no longer reload bow. Using a ranger skill with less than what the ability requires will use the remaining arrows you have currently loaded.
• Backstep distance has been nerfed by 0.5x
• All bows damage reduced by 0.25x and a 10% damage reduction every 10m
• Bunny-hopping has been removed. Continually jumping now applies a 0.5x movement speed debuff for 0.75 seconds
• Ranger shotgun skill projectile damage reduced by 0.75x per arrow

[crimson beacon]

The real GS diff problem comes after 125... or HR. Lets say you go in with 250 GS ... you face someone with 500 ... you can win but most of the time you lose. Its a gamble.

[ripe wigeon]

timmy mindset bhop>

[inner elbow]

Mouse scroll + bow + backstep = never die. Much skill.

[slender ginkgo]

He just sad he can't run after them as a barb

[spice mauve]

Does it matter? If someone is higher GS then you and you see them you're fucked already especially vice versa. If a geared player saw you and you weren't glowing he could run you down since he knows it's a free fight. Also that breaks immersion noticeably.

[ripe wigeon]

many classes can counter that

[graceful tartan]

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[inner elbow]

The only stat you need in this game is movespeed

[crimson beacon]

You can always just run? It doesnt show him that youre lower, it only blinks red or whatever if the player is much higer in GS . Like Remember that eye lense the sayans had in DBZ? 😛

[spice mauve]

"always just run" higher GS player definitely has better mobility then you since his gear is better. If it's one sided sure but that still means if they don't see you blink they know you're not geared to "compete"

[dull nacelle]

The satisfaction lies in being good enough to win despite the gear diff and take the prize

[crimson beacon]

Completely agree, but if someone is much higher and there is little chance, you should have the choice to not get slaughtered.

[jade crypt]

Second wind flat health instead of percentage

PDR caps at 50

Sprint removed

Can no longer recharge second wind with campfire

[umbral zenith]

I would gladly trade a second wind Nerf for a phantomise Nerf

[spice mauve]

Remove weapon mastery too

[dull nacelle]

Well, the geared player takes more of a chance? I mean, if you fight someone with a 10k kit and you have a 1k-2k kit, then it's safe to assume that 5 fights could equal in 3 out of 5 wins if you are more skilled? Because that's how the rich players get stacked quickly, and bossing as well

[slender ginkgo]

Well games that doesn't require some type of skill is not fun imo, I like I have to struggle and polish my skills to earn my rewards. But that's just me. and if I lose the fight if I'm super stacked. That's fine, just have to grind for new set. I don't mind that.

[inner elbow]

I like it. Let's keep this going. BTW I have all the roles selected. I don't main anything. Fighter was the first role so it shows as a tag. It's very typical of you to immediately go to fighter though, I'm used to it.

[spice mauve]

You should check out realm of the mad god 🙂

[hasty valley]

kids want this game to be something it isnt every day, amusing how they think devs actually would read this channel

[slender ginkgo]

I've had my fair share of that game

[crimson beacon]

Ye, maybe you're right, just making suggestions based on the complaints ive heard over gear checking / Difference.

[grand pendant]

Is healing from potions & bandages physical or magical healing?

[spice mauve]

Physical includes campfires and ale I think

[grand pendant]

Thank you, Sire.

[magic dirge]

Pot is mag heal, camp and bandie is physical

[jade crypt]

No stealth rogue

Pergenant goblin skin

[magic dirge]

This is how you completely ruin a class 🤣🤣🤣 L take from a 2.5k hour fighter

[peak delta]

Anyone want to explain to me how 12 skeletons (6 of which were nightmare) 2 red slimes, 2 red wisps and about 8 chests only netted me 3 pieces of treasure. A white bangle, green candle plate, and blue bangle? In highroller obvs

[crisp bramble]

Skill issue

[dapper junco]

wow spooky, halloween accurate

[proven kraken]

can i report flint99 for teaming in solo? and how?

[supple condor]

it needed to be in HR and u need recording

[proven kraken]

funny how its not against the rules for newbs too, you would think thats just as needed

[paper path]

does dungeon recovery works if i fall into the void?

[nocturne sundial]

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[umbral zenith]

Nope, how tf you expect the goblin to recover that

[eager dew]

nobody wants 69,1

[stray yacht]

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[crisp bramble]

Anybody know what the community announcement was about?

[versed mantle]

i wish there's 3 levels in every map.. currently only the castle one seems more worthwhile

[supple condor]

save up ur candy corn for some quest from the halloween npc for some cosmetics probably

[paper path]

hahah i see, thank you

[nocturne sundial]

nope. many ppl want return to 69.1

[eager dew]

noobs wants it to return

[nocturne sundial]

bro, noobs also want to play or u toxic?

[rugged valve]

anyone down to help a new player learn?

[dry briar]

look at alll the spam from all the one person who liked 69-1 lmao

[rotund maple]

垃圾运营商，乱封号

[odd ermine]

Are the Solo priest still viable ?

[umbral zenith]

English please we don't need more cyphers

[eager dew]

yes, but use your brain (sorry for responding toxic, but you need to wake up)

we cannot tailor a game for the bad players. Everyone start as a bad player, hone the game and get better

[nocturne sundial]

Bro, the barrier to entry is too high in this game. Why doesn't anyone understand that people with gear worth 10,000 won't give a chance to ordinary players?

[west slate]

I ran a 10k kit when I had 25 hours. Not that high

[eager dew]

2k kit can easily fight 10k with skill.

you have 25/125 lobbies to practice. Risk and reward

[rigid pivot]

Yea guys too bad gear scores have no restrictions or anything

[hardy stump]

cleric? No, you can't build PDR without sacrificing speed, if you sacrifice speed for pdr and hp, wizards, rangers, fighters, rogues, bards and warlocks just kite you to death, I haven't seen a single cleric in days outside of trios

[stray yacht]

Yeah this is full of shit u have to be a bot to lose to someone with 2k

[odd ermine]

last time i play this game was patch 34... sorry 😦

[round marlin]

Wrong a 2k kit can't easily fight a 10k kit if your fighting a 10k bis kit

[nocturne sundial]

I understand perfectly well that there are chances, but only not against rangers with unique longbows with strong characteristics. now meta rangers. you like it

[rigid pivot]

Just skill diff. Ez clap.

[round marlin]

The gear difference in high roller is immaculate and impossible to balance when someone with bis purples and above fights someone with even random purples for their class they'll get steam rolled easily. But people want that they wanna feel more powerful then others but getting bis takes away the fun of wanting to loot and wear what you find completely what's the point of putting on gear or exploring the dungeon if your already running unique +5 move speed Lightfoot with strength dex vigor and a full set of legendaries

[slender sorrel]

whats up with the hallows eve thing

[brazen mason]

To be fair, when we were learning the game there was no gear score, and no -25 lobbies. We loaded in base kit and it was like a horror game trying to get out. On the flip side, that might be why many seasoned players don’t have an issue “punching up” against BiS while wearing PiS

[long compass]

You can stay in sub 25 if you dont want to get geardiffed

[round marlin]

I do

[odd grail]

any server to sell buy stuff and ask about item prices

[rigid pivot]

I salute those poor souls 🫡

[signal ibex]

There is definitely a difference in loading up HR and getting trucked by guys with triple your gear score and then just losing to some people that were better than you and I think we can all agree that getting trucked isn't a good thing. Right? Like logically we can agree? People shouldn't have an impossible advantage, but they should have one, that's hard to balance

[round marlin]

Game was made to benefit no life depressed boys who play 5 hours a day +

[vapid arch]

which is why gear score lobbies in normals exist, if you're going into HR with piss kit then expect to be stomped

[odd grail]

exactly

[rigid pivot]

Bookie bomb

[fair fable]

I think the main issue with that tho, is the player base is realistically tiny. It needs to increase. That won’t happen if new players hop into HR and just have a negative experience the whole time. It’s a hard balance.

[weary pasture]

did they revert the gears loot buff?

[proven kraken]

agree, and teaming in any scenario should be punishable

[odd ermine]

yes you need to go to high roller if you want to get some good gears

[rigid pivot]

Maybe put a warning in big red flashing lights then putting sirens and a huggies diaper ad when you click to queue into hr so newer people know its not for beginners

[balmy harbor]

I agree but anyone hoping into hr needs to be lvl 20 no? Which does mean at least a few hours of playing

[hushed carbon]

Correct. Just like Rust, WoW, CoD, or pretty much any successful multiplayer game in existence. There are many, many great single player games for people with busy lives.

[vapid arch]

a playerbase of 10-20k is a good size for an indie game like this, realistically speaking any new players to the game came in from the steam release and there's only going to be a slow drip of new comers from then onwards

[weary pasture]

they didnt say that in the patch tho
oh well that sucks, very much

[hard rock]

Can a 2k kit beat a 40k kit if you have rousing rhythms online?

[rigid pivot]

If youre good enough at your femboy impersonation and if they have voip on

[midnight ember]

A cheap kit can beat any kit if you outplay your opponent. Gear checking is only viable if you choose a bad match up. You don't have to swing at everything that moves.

[balmy harbor]

You can’t really say just because you’re busy or a casual don’t play multiplayer. The majority of games player bases are casuals with maybe the exception of games like rust or ark that have unrealistic time requirements

[shell root]

anyone figure out the secret yet?

[cobalt mica]

I was gonna ask if there's any chat where people are working on the riddle

[hushed carbon]

What big multiplayer games are topping the steam charts that you think are casual?

[weary pasture]

the friends we made along

[eager dew]

It's not an easy fight but its possible.

@round marlin so tehre is different between 10k kit vs 10k bis kit?

@nocturne sundial rangers are op because of the -15 health and the removal of health secondaries. It's not because of base gear. After the patch ranger are not that powerful like before

[rugged valve]

would really like help learning this game

[hushed carbon]

My recommendation is find a couple people you really enjoy playing with, and see if you can find a discord channel of like-minded individuals. There are a TON of discord channels dedicated to this game. It's a really big community.

[cosmic swan]

In the main screen of the game (the tavern screen where you can choose map and group size) look at the top left corner. You'll see a pop up saying something like "Hire a Knight" click on that. It'll lead you to a discord channel made exclusively for that. People will help you and even join you in game to guide you

[hushed carbon]

Jackal you still trying to figure that out man? I've seen you type and erase about 5 times for the last 8 minutes lol

[balmy harbor]

I haven’t looked at the charts in a long time so I couldn’t tell you however from my experience playing massive multiplayer games specifically multiple cod, destiny and other games the majority of players are regular people that have a life and a 38-45h week jobs. The expectation that the majority of people can play more than 10 during the week the week is unrealistic. Yes there is a lot of variables in that but like I just started a new job after 8 weeks off, I probably put in 80-100h in the last 2 weeks and this week I’ve played maybe 5-6. Damn bro actually pocket watching me

[wheat fractal]

^

[hardy stump]

"I went to school every day for 3 hours one way, during a blizzard, running away from wolves and it was uphill, both ways, you kids have it too easy"

Need something grandpa? Meds? Cane?
And you don't have issue punching upwards, because you have 2000+ hours of experience and practice on your accounts, I fail to see how it relates to players with 20

[hushed carbon]

CoD progression requires at least 100 hrs to get any decent gun attachments, and even then you get shit on by players with 1000 hrs. It's completely dominated by people with more hours. Casuals stand no chance unless they already invested 5000 hrs earlier in their life. Destiny 2 averages 600 hrs per player even though main quest line can be done in 15 hours because it has LOADS of content. What is the 500 hours worth of content in Dark and Darker? 3 dungeons and 6 bosses?

Dark and Darker is also an extraction looter which is based around the risk reward of being able to bring acquired loot, and steal gear from others. Even the game style is obviously based around being competitive.

Anyways it took you 10 minutes to try and figure out any examples and you found 1 partial example, Destiny.

Multiplayer games aren't casual by and large.

[hard rock]

CoD progression requires at least 100 hrs to get any decent gun attachments, and even then you get shit on by players with 1000 hrs. It's completely dominated by people with more hours. Casuals stand no chance unless they already invested 5000 hrs earlier in their life. Destiny 2 averages 600 hrs per player even though main quest line can be done in 15 hours because it has LOADS of content. What is the 500 hours worth of content in Dark and Darker? 3 dungeons and 6 bosses?

Dark and Darker is also an extraction looter which is based around the risk reward of being able to bring acquired loot, and steal gear from others. Even the game style is obviously based around being competitive.

Anyways it took you 10 minutes to try and figure out any examples and you found 1 partial example, Destiny.

Multiplayer games aren't casual by and large.

[hushed carbon]

It's a simple concept really, people who invest more hours in anything in life tend to beat people who invest less. It's true for anything in life. Chess, math, construction skills, it doesn't matter. So casuals will be stomped by non-casuals in pvp games. That's life man.

[weary pasture]

loot so ass, my addiction is crying

[cosmic swan]

Why? They reverted it no?

[hushed carbon]

The only thing you can do to mitigate skill gaps is separate by mmr. But they won't do that with this player count.

[weary pasture]

they reverted the loot rarity too, only way to find decent loot is just by going to inferno ruins or abyss, its just so ass and we are going in a loop
@cosmic swan yes

[cosmic swan]

You mean the loot drop increase of patch 68?

[weary pasture]

@keen wren alright you win, 69 wasn't so bad after all

[cosmic swan]

Wtf seriously? Can any one else confirm that?

[foggy plover]

Just reposting again that I think the -15 HP nerf needs to still be reverted. Overall I disagree in the extreme that TTK should be low. Skill expression in this game comes from having to do multiple actions under pressure, and not twitch-reflex ranged attacks to the head.

I still really like that we have gone back to a really good loot system, but I won't be reverting my own negative review at least until this second, awful change is also reverted. @glad thunder

To add as well, once that's reverted and we have a good baseline you should not be focusing on any more balance changes, you should be focusing on delivering content. There's dozens of systems that were promised that have yet to be added
-Inventory, bags, quivers
-Sorcerer
-Wands
-Layers for Goblin
-The Last Layer for Frost Cavern
-Randomized modules and map variety
-The additional promised Druid forms.
-Gems

There's plenty for you to do, and you shouldn't be making sweeping balance changes at this point in the game. The core gameplay is fundamentally good.

[vapid arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211350321020936212/1300199845193191424/trust-me.gif

[hushed carbon]

Loot rate and rarity is increased substantially in all dungeon modes.

[cosmic swan]

[sly furnace]

Barbarian is still a completely broken class. I don't understand why the class with the most HP can also be one of the fastest.

[balmy harbor]

I do agree that time investment will always win without mmr but my point was that expectations of the player population not being made majority of Timmies is just wrong. Maybe for this game I’m incorrect but for other massive pvp games like cod and destiny casuals have the majority

[foggy plover]

The problem is entirely the HP system being hobbled. Any class that naturally has a huge hp pool and focuses on heavy weapons will naturally dominate when everyone else has small hp pools and less focus on weapons with high single-hit damage.

As soon as we all get our +15 hp back the advantage of barbarian will become manageable again.

[quiet sun]

At least HP rolls are expensive now

[sly furnace]

What's crazy is that this problem predates that -15 HP nerf. Barbs HP has been a problme for a long time. They had to create the Vigor stat because of him (HP used to be entirely based on STR.)

[hushed carbon]

In those games "timmies" get shit on. Destiny being an exception because it's content based. Destiny is more a single player game you can play with friends imo.

"Timmies" like the idea of last patch as an example because it normalized gear. There's 10 reasons that was a bad idea. But even the core concept that gear is the reason new players are losing is missing any comprehensive thought.

Dark is in a state right now where in less than 100 hours you can have full legendary kits, since barrels drop blues in HR. The rest of the game is up to you to learn. This IS casual friendly. They'll still get stomped by skilled players, and no matter what the gear is they always will. The reason some people felt strong for a bit with the gear normalization isn't that they got better, it's that a huge number of the players with more than 100 hours left because there was nothing to work towards in the game. I GUESS one solution to making a game easier is give it no progression so people leave after 100 hours... not my recommendation though.

[foggy plover]

I don't know why they reverted/nerfed hp either. It was universally loved when they added more hp to all classes in the steam release. The game feels so much better with room to breathe hp-wise, and we've already been down this path.

[raw torrent]

Arrested development. This is how greatness dies. Now we squirm in the mud forever. Thanks to the youtubers and their bandwagon.

[vapid arch]

what bandwagon

[dense pawn]

Since there has been a lot of back and forth on gear these last few patches, here is a system I would love to see in the game:

• less gear rarities: 4 instead of 7 would do
• every gear item (except basic squire) has an extra random modifier that is stronger based on rarity
• gear items above basic have a number of sockets for gems/enchantments, based on rarity, but can vary on same rarity (example: blues can have 1-2, legendaries 3-4)
• items can be broken down into components for crafting or for enchantments (gold sink & good recycle for items)
• you can loot gems and ancient scrolls that can be identified by alchemist/other npc, who uses them to upgrade your gear

If you agree, leave and upvote here: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/590621/total-gear-rework

If you don't, let me know why and what would you like to have instead?

[wanton otter]

#suggestion-discussion

[hardy stump]

how are you surprised by this?
If vocal sweaty try hards screem every waking hour at any kind of change, the end result is bound to be abandoning all changes and forcing back status quo and stagnation

[wanton otter]

i'm glad they didn't revert the HP stacking.

[hard rock]

Just reposting again that I think the -15 HP nerf needs to still be reverted. Overall I disagree in the extreme that TTK should be low. Skill expression in this game comes from having to do multiple actions under pressure, and not twitch-reflex ranged attacks to the head.

I still really like that we have gone back to a really good loot system, but I won't be reverting my own negative review at least until this second, awful change is also reverted. @glad thunder

To add as well, once that's reverted and we have a good baseline you should not be focusing on any more balance changes, you should be focusing on delivering content. There's dozens of systems that were promised that have yet to be added
-Inventory, bags, quivers
-Sorcerer
-Wands
-Layers for Goblin
-The Last Layer for Frost Cavern
-Randomized modules and map variety
-The additional promised Druid forms.
-Gems

There's plenty for you to do, and you shouldn't be making sweeping balance changes at this point in the game. The core gameplay is fundamentally good.

[hardy stump]

yeah, feels great to have 81 hp as wizard and being 1 tapped by every single 2h weapon except staff

[balmy harbor]

As someone who could probably be considered a timmy pre 69 I enjoyed the game. I didn’t get a chance to play much of 69 but I enjoyed it personally as more of a haha fuck around get my questing in -24 done quickly on extra characters. I think caving and reverting the patch was the wrong move but I also like that I have things to pick up in dungeons again. I have the opinion that games in EA need to have shit patches to understand how to properly handle balance. Is the game state great rn no but I’m hopeful for the upcoming patches. Coming from games that did updates every few months and a hotfix here and there this weekly updates is a nice change

[rich willow]

i would love to can bring a bag of KFC as payment for cave troll to let me in

[night folio]

He is trolling for sure loot is still turned up

[weary pasture]

Too late now, sdf confidence is broken

[hard rock]

He doesn't like KFC

[tropic monolith]

Hi, is there suppose to be a halloween secret? or is that hallows-eve announcement just a "happy halloween" thing?

[loud roost]

In my professional expertise of gibberish, it basically says they’re going to release a surprise soon

[abstract charm]

🇱 🇴 🇻 🇪 ❤️ 🇩 🇳 🇩
🇹 🇷 🇺 🇸 🇹
🇮 🇷 🇴 🇳 🇲 🇦 🇨 🇪

[hardy stump]

I -REALLY- hope for games sake its not, I used to work as game designer for couple of years as well, I also made some people panic, however changes I did at the time were only placeholder values and on test server - whole test crew was terrified and I had fun 😄 I also had people always complain on changes on live server, they always threatened to quit, but I did way before them.

You don't listen to complainers, you listen to statistics.
Forums might be on fire, but if concurrency remains or increases and revenue is unaffected, you just keep doing your thing.

I feel like sdf needs to learn that skill

[odd spindle]

Yo they need to remove gear limit for HR it has always been way more fun without requirements for highroller

[loud roost]

And the stats weren’t even bad for almost 2 months into wipe. Cross check data with previous wipes, with same life, and it is around the same. Dark and darker is always on a long term down trend since the start of every wipe

[tropic monolith]

is it one of those secret messages? where the letters are other letters that make an actual word?

[spiral canyon]

hall of knights discord. click the request a knight button in the lobby on dark and darker

[tame lantern]

Honestly, it was an absolute W update but the problem was that he did it in the middle of the wipe with no guidance to the community, all they had to do was make it during the new season and it would have been WAY more adjustable

[loud roost]

I Dmed you what it says

[hard rock]

Are you a knight yourself

[spiral canyon]

hell no

[keen wren]

Welcome to the right side of history brother

[tropic monolith]

i dont see dm 😦

[tardy otter]

Has anyone done the secret message yet?

[vale cedar]

🤢

[crimson beacon]

💯

idc about the community. i just play the game and have what fun i can.

[odd spindle]

im sorry but bro if you wanna boss its just lame and you can still kill geared players without the gear requirements

[hard rock]

Can you boss solo though?

[prime maple]

no it is not yo u're just bad. i killed 4 barbarians easily last night as a grey gear slayer fighter.

[odd spindle]

yes

[sly furnace]

"As a slayer fighter". One of the best (and fastest) builds in the game.

[covert mango]

are these the highest rolls for void blade?
47wpn dmg
4magical

[frail rampart]

I'm so glad all you overweight underdeveloped Karens cried so hard last patch. It is so much better now winning by out gearing people. Thank you Karen playerbase for all the tears its so much more fun now

[frosty knot]

any riddle solvers in here? Im getting some nonsense about painting?

[vale cedar]

thanks, 50% of the player count thinks so too

[young belfry]

did they nerf the loot too ? seems looting went back to 68

[native bone]

Can't get my head around it aswell x//

[onyx glacier]

Hi guys, i am playing as cleric and was wondering is their any faster way to regen spells than just sitting down? I know campfire and the clairty pots, aswell as bard can boost too

[little cedar]

That’s it

[vale cedar]

campfire is the fastest

[sly furnace]

Yeah you pulled that # out of thin air.

What about over the long term. I made this point earlier, and actually was using numbers that were more conservative. Looking into it further, This game sold 500k copies on BLACKSMITH.

Turn out this game has lost nearly a 1/2 million players in 1.5 years. Why did they all leave? Well it turns out nobody actually wants to play a game these feels fundamentally unfair.

The only people who are willing to do so, are the people who can take advantage of the unfairness of the game.

The people who still play (That's us, myself included) are crazy gamers. We aren't normal people, and likely all have an unhealthy relationship with video games. There aren't enough of us to keep this game alive for a decade.

If we keep demanading that the Devs cater to how we want the game to be, there wont be a game in 2 years.

[onyx glacier]

Fuuuuuuu kk

[cold hamlet]

what are you on about "crazy gamers" 🤓

[prime maple]

pound for a pound a barbarian dishes out more dmg and can take more of a beating. Perks got nerfed. zero excuses for dying to one. they're largely one of the worst classes in the game always have been. the changes were reverted get good.

[verbal abyss]

👶 Need ur baba?

[onyx glacier]

Is cleric, bard or druid best for supporting noobs?

[sly furnace]

Wait are you calling Slayer one of the worst, or Barbarian? im confused here?

[verbal abyss]

slayer is really not meta rn

[sly furnace]

No it's not, to be fair. however slayers have always been a solid build. Fighters really are just always good, never really underpowered, never really overpowered (theyve had their moments). Fighter has been the most consistent class in the history of this game.

[karmic grove]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🇴 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 9️⃣ ⏺️ 1️⃣

[pearl rivet]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🇴 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 9️⃣ ⏺️ 1️⃣

[sly furnace]

NO.... never backwards... always forwards. Me too i liked the direction that #69 was moving the game towards, but we need progress. It will serve nobody to get stuck in a loop.

[karmic grove]

the irony in that statement is unreal

[vale cedar]

🇸 🇹 🇦 🇾 🇴 🇳 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 9️⃣ ⏺️ 2️⃣

[sly furnace]

Im not sure you know what that word means. There was nothing ironic about what i said.

[grizzled meteor]

🇸 🇹 🇦 🇾 🇴 🇳 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 9️⃣ ⏺️ 2️⃣

[wintry fiber]

yo the new lobby screen

[vale cedar]

he literally said he liked 69 but still clings onto the idea of moving forward, basic reading 🤓
expected no more from patch 69 lovers

[sly furnace]

What exactly are you trying to say? Yeah ithink the changes in #69 were needed. They had to flatten the gear attributes eventually, and they will do so eventually in the future. They cannot balance this game without those changes, and we've known this since they added base attributes to gear.

[vale cedar]

that we should not revert from 69-2?

[karmic grove]

we just went back, that's irony ya ignorant dummy dum dum

[near jackal]

Which class is the best to learn game mechanics and bosses solo? I currently have a leveled ranger, would that be good?

[sly furnace]

okay let's try this again. Forget about Hotfix #. We get so bogged down on this tiny details that really are just tiny details.

Think about what they were trying to achieve with the changes, not whether they worked, but what was the intent, what was the design philosophy behind these changes?

They wanted to create a baseline which they could then use to balance the classes. They will not be able to achieve balance on the classes with there effectively being different versions of each class based on the rarity of gear they are wearing.

Wizard is all whites, is not the same class as Wizard is all Purple. This presents a MASSIVE issue when it comes to balancing class abilities, perks, skills.. ETC..

[cold hamlet]

you have no clue what you're talking abt

[abstract charm]

probably bard

[near jackal]

🙏

[sly furnace]

Obviously you don't play this game.

[vale cedar]

we've been balancing classes for 2 years, game needs to move on and have new content added to it, people already like the classes and the current "balance" (as unbalanced as it is)
new maps, new class, new weapons, not making gear obsolete and trying to balance the game with a total reset AGAIN

[vapid dagger]

remove gs off hr

[cold hamlet]

probably far better than you 🤓

[abstract charm]

why so serious?

[sly furnace]

That's the point. It can't move on. No amount of content will keep people playing this game if it remains feeling unfair. They need to find a way to achieve a more balanced experience or people will stop playing.

@cold hamlet Your skill is irrelevant to this conversation. I don't care that you're good at the game.

[abstract charm]

you cant balance solos and duo and trio are in an ok spot imo

[keen wren]

We had such a good patch. Wish they didnt cave to the toxic gold buyer minority

[sly furnace]

In a sense you're correct. Balancing across the different party sizes poses a serious problem. There wasn't even supposed to be a Solo mode. I remember when they added it. SDF said it was supposed to be temporary, and then saw it was really popular and decided to keep it.

[foggy plover]

No they don't. That's a complete cope. You've been here for years and you're actually pretending the game 'feeling unfair' is some sort of serious problem.

There will never be perfect balance

Ah. I see you're one of those who advocates for the removing a mode I bet.

[graceful storm]

Game is fine they fixed it

[onyx glacier]

Does bard use up his songs or just cycles them? Like is their a limit then i have to rest to get them back?

[abstract charm]

thats what im saying

[runic fractal]

Its really popular cause not everyone either got friend that want to play this game or just want to hop in play 1-2 games and finsih for today without waiting for anyone

[green thunder]

If you think nerfing 70% damage + duration off of LITERALLY ANYTHING IN ANY GAME is ever a good thing then you are an stupid @glad thunder '

[inner terrace]

They are just buffs you play to keep on yourself and party. No sitting just playing when buff falls off(Bottom left above pictures)

[young belfry]

seems like the loot went back to 68, its not very good

[obsidian sparrow]

Is crystal sword fighter still a viable build?

[karmic grove]

right???! oh yea fk any skill in the game should just rely on gearchecking ppl with bis

[vale cedar]

game can never be fair with 9 different classes, pve, and so many different abilities and variables... its just not possible, so focus on making it fun rather than 100% balanced, cus thats something that we've been trying for too long now

if balancing games such as cs, valorant and overwatch are so hard, imagine what it's like trying to balance a game like dad

[onyx glacier]

Tyyyyy

[foggy plover]

No it's ruined. I hate that they did that by the way. It feels like they hate the crystal sword to me, they accidentally gave it a big niche in fighter when they were trying to make it viable for wizard, but the truth is the core design of that weapon is a fighter weapon because it's not primarily magic damage and it's not more effective than a staff with the perk.

[karmic grove]

pdr got nerfed so not really.

[sly furnace]

Stop using stupid buzzwords like "cope" when you don't know how to counter arguments that actually have thought behind them. There will always be a level of imbalance in this game because of thow it's built. Im not disputing that. Certain classes retain advantages over others. That's built in, and can't change. It's not an arean type game.

There is however a certain level of balance that needs to be achieved in order for the game to not feel like it's telling certain players to go fuck themselves.

[obsidian sparrow]

That sucks, they really don't like that weapon. No other class really uses it as much as fighter did. Here's hoping Sorc has a perk for it.

[foggy plover]

I'll use whatever words I feel are appropriate. And cope is the appropriate word when you're acting with feigned or deluded ignorance over your own behaviour and that of the playerbase. Would you prefer the scientific term because you have clear cognitive dissonance?

Their balance efforts have always been bad and sweeping and turned a lot of players, including me, off the game for big chunks of time.

[sly furnace]

" when you're acting with feigned or deluded ignorance over your own behaviour and that of the playerbase."

Explain please

[cold hamlet]

get a job

[foggy plover]

You are obviously heavily engaged yet the majority of their efforts in the past years have been to spin their wheels over balance. And yet you're saying they need to make sweeping balance changes. And yet that's what just happened and literally everyone hated it.

Your ideas are not based on some sort of player-driven data, they're just your misguided opinion. You're really no better than SDF in that regard. Only unlike them you're still doubling down.

[keen wren]

Everyone hated that they didnt do it on the testserver and worked it out before releasing to prod

[native bone]

I wish there would be more free stuff in the emote section. Grinding for a week now and can only afford one thing with them blue shards 😦