game-discussion

[warm crane]

its fine, there should be a pve mode or something.. i like the dungeon crawler aspect as it reminds me of elder scrolls oblivion

[merry marlin]

Yeah it probably is, PvE end game players can’t live without every game they play being the same. Lowest common denominator syndrome is why unique games end up morphing into something they weren’t intended to be, just to appease the loudest whiniest crowd

[solemn shore]

Who even uses the light aketon

[late jetty]

Trust like tarkov has a mode like that, but no loot when you extract. Nice cause lets u explore map with just bots n see whats where n practice weapons

[rich stream]

can you stop trying to be contrarian just for the sake of it you obiously don't understand what im talking about but its fine ironmace does

[warm crane]

theres spt mod for tarkov which is superior to the online one, i only play spt mod, online tarkov sucks

[late jetty]

idk i aint touched it in year+, after a line bro no chacne im playing that my heart finna explode from intensity XD

[merry marlin]

No it’s not contrarian, it’s my genuine opinion that PvE focused players are the lowest common denominator of the gaming player base universally across all games and the more you appease them the worse your game becomes.

It’s happened to a ton of games and you aimless zombies have found something else to sink your claws into until it’s exactly like all the other games you play so you can get bored of it in a year and never play again despite all the crying you did to change the game

[rich stream]

and you attecked me over something that has nothing to do with your opinion

[warm crane]

play spt mod, it fucking rocks https://sp-tarkov.com/

[late jetty]

oh so like that mode i said but u keep ur stuff?

[cinder willow]

How much is skull key going for now?

[merry marlin]

Game developers do it because PvE players are more likely to spend their money on stupid bullshit, so you go queen. #slay #getthatbread. you’re winning for real

[late jetty]

i see notin on trade

[warm crane]

it even has AI that behaves like players

[rich stream]

you literally are just pushing you opinion over mine as if it where mine

[cinder willow]

Ya that's why I'm asking

[lavish ivy]

The main issue is that unlike Escape from Tarkov this Game doesnt have any mechanic that is standing out (Escape from Tarkov has its exemplary Gunplay for example, which is very different from other shooters, and while also having some balancing issues, still rewards skill alot), but rather has its atmosphere and the dungeon crawling aspect mixed with the extraction Genre, which while it is a really good Idea on Paper, the Execution is extremily horrible because the Looting, the different abilities for Classes with their strengths and weaknesses heavily favor towards a coop Dungeoncrawling Playstyle where your best bets of success would be a Party that balances out its own strengths and weaknesses to overcome the obstacles, however the very simplistic PvE enemies paired with static behaviors and spawns with static maps are a great source for a PvP centered extraction Game, and this is where the Games main problem is at, the PvP centered Gameplay makes alot of the PvE borderline trivial because of how easy it is to learn and overcome, however the large impact your classes abilities and the Gear you loot have on your Performance it almost completly eliminates the competitive aspect of PvP because unless you play in 24/124 gearscore lobbies the person with higher stats instead of the better player is more likely to win, which makes the aspect of balancing (which is already hard due to how classes interact with eachother) borderline impossible.
Long Story Short, the Game has a really good concept on Paper, but the practical execution is so bad that not only long term players dont have much from it due to most of the pvp beeing a stale statcheck except for low gearscore lobbies, which is also detrimental to the new player experience, because new players are spending most of their time in those lobbies.

[late jetty]

gaddamn bro finna wrote a script xD

[rich stream]

and that about sums it up yeah

[cinder willow]

How much is skull key going for now???????

[warm crane]

PvE tarkov is br4-inde4-d sadly

at least this game pve requires skill, tarkov is just dumb

[late jetty]

Yeah na i agree, 47hrs in the game cant say much yet but u pretty much said it all. but not all could be about gear/stats, skill or just pure luck also an aspect. New players just need theyre own side to learn xD

[rich stream]

add a sprinkle of r m t cheats and teamers on large scale the court case and you have dark and darker in a nutshell

[warm crane]

r m t is rampant sadly

[stiff drum]

WHY THE FK IS THE GROUND NOT LEVELED THE SAME EVERYWHERE IN THE SPECTRAL KNIGHT ARENA WHEN HALF THE MECHANIC DEMANDE YOU CROUCH

[gloomy wraith]

Hello
does anyone know when this comedy movie with lots of lobs -24 -124,-224... will end?
and it will start to be a serious game
NORMAL GAME MODE, everyone starts in white,
HR MODE, where golden items and legendarions come out and golden chests, after killing the bosses

does anyone have any information?

[rich stream]

idk that map is too un optimized for me to play

[late jetty]

Anyway to turn that lil pip squeak off reminding me of my gear whenever i click play?

[vapid arch]

True...

[lavish ivy]

Tbh both Games dont have great AI for their PvE enemies, the only difference in Dark and Darker is that you can dodge incoming attacks and that enemies are alot more versatile instead of just beeing a cheekibreeki with a gun, and the other saving Grace Dark and Darker has is that its PvE is alot more fair since Dark and Darker doesnt suffer from the infamous "Let's move on to the next Point." (Tarkov players know what im talking about), which really is Tarkovs biggest issue with their design of Boss enemies.
Plus, SPT does feature a good bit of mods that improve on the Games AI which does wonders for the Games PvE

[warm crane]

everyone is gangsta until factory boss explodes you

[lavish ivy]

Or you spend more than 0.2 miliseconds in Big Pipes Line of Sight as he annihilates your Cranium with a 100% accurate 15 round burst from 400m away

[plain flower]

guys how to send name of item in trade chat?

[remote stump]

Shift click or something like that

[plain flower]

yeah its work thank you man

[keen lark]

does antiheal work for surg kits or do those still full heal? 🤔 boc or fire mastery, either or

[latent ermine]

anyone maybe have a guide for starting players? like which class to pick and general explanation of everything going on?

[lavish ivy]

But honestly I personally would like to see Dark and Darker to expand in both its PvE and PvP aspects, because both of them do have alot of Potential for the Game, if PvP for example wouldnt count statbonuses from higher tier weapons and not count random statrolls either it would actually be possible to balance PvP, however this would be detrimental for the Games PvE aspect since it makes looting almost irrelevant.
So an Idea for example would be if the Default Gameplay would be based on cooperative gameplay, the PvP however would work pretty well on a base where you would have seperate queues similar to high roller, except that you would only be able to use Squire Gear and nothing else, which would be a big Improvement due to how little different pieces of Gear now affect your Performance, plus it would allow classes and different other stats to actually be balanced properly since you dont have to work with large amounts of bonus stats from Gear anymore.
The main Problem with the Game as it is right now is that it is centered around PvP (due to it always beeing directly or indirectly present), however the aspects that come with dungeon crawling such as looting new gear are contradictive which gradually worsens the Quality of the Games PvP, and without some adjustments it will simply fail because you either have new players refusing to stick around long enough, or more experienced players not enjoying it for as long as they could because the long term aspects of running higher gearscores come with the immense amount of balancing issues

[rich stream]

i would like to see weapon collision cause i think that would add an interesting element to combat also more weapon attack options/patterns maybe even later weapon specific skill tree's that would affect you attack patterns and maybe stats but im also heisitant to add more stat stacking also more pve mechanics i like the kobold shout that call over other kobolds i'd like too see more abilities like that from enimes that make the engagements with pve more interesting and chaotic i like ironmaces idea for early extractions as new players have a hard time fighting even mobs every time theres a new wipe or a big update you see low gear lobbys flooded with corpses of new players dying from thing you didn't even know you could die from and giving them early escapes seems like a good change even though they still gunna die to their own pride

[jaunty grail]

ill say it people would enjoy the game more if they removed awful solo there would be less crying about counters

[rich stream]

solo is where everybody plays thats why we hear so much about counters

[jaunty grail]

game was suppost to be teambased they shouldnt had added solos but keep duos

[swift zinc]

did they revert drop rates? I see a lot more white and green gear today

[hard rock]

But honestly I personally would like to see Dark and Darker to expand in both its PvE and PvP aspects, because both of them do have alot of Potential for the Game, if PvP for example wouldnt count statbonuses from higher tier weapons and not count random statrolls either it would actually be possible to balance PvP, however this would be detrimental for the Games PvE aspect since it makes looting almost irrelevant.
So an Idea for example would be if the Default Gameplay would be based on cooperative gameplay, the PvP however would work pretty well on a base where you would have seperate queues similar to high roller, except that you would only be able to use Squire Gear and nothing else, which would be a big Improvement due to how little different pieces of Gear now affect your Performance, plus it would allow classes and different other stats to actually be balanced properly since you dont have to work with large amounts of bonus stats from Gear anymore.
The main Problem with the Game as it is right now is that it is centered around PvP (due to it always beeing directly or indirectly present), however the aspects that come with dungeon crawling such as looting new gear are contradictive which gradually worsens the Quality of the Games PvP, and without some adjustments it will simply fail because you either have new players refusing to stick around long enough, or more experienced players not enjoying it for as long as they could because the long term aspects of running higher gearscores come with the immense amount of balancing issues

[lavish ivy]

Tbh weapon collisions and a more detailed impact system for weapons in combination with different movesets you could perform (for example by having stances or Light/heavy combos similar to how DS2-3 handled weapon movesets) would do wonders for PvP, but the fundamental problem would still remain since if you stick true to both types of genres you can see that they really dont do as well, you would either have to focus on one of those 2 aspects and sacrifice the other one. And considering that the Game does have a huge potential in both aspects, having different modes (like Arena for example) would allow Iron Mace to develop more specific content that goes well with both genres which would overall result in a better experience for either players looking to PvP or PvE

[rich stream]

i'd like to see intertwining content like how gear looted from the dungeon is unlootable in arena but also i would like too see pve play a bigger roll in the game play loop cause players dont fight ai and its sily seeing players run past hordes of mobs to run straight at their target be it a spawn cause they pvp hungry or a boss cause they have gold fever and see little to no consequence for that like you rarely see a good player get overwhelmed by mobs even though they aggroed 3 rooms of mobs

[warm kelp]

selling a golden key

[barren sandal]

yo

[night folio]

Congrats?

[solemn geyser]

wtf is the point of spectral hilt

[sand zenith]

Use the market?

[twilit geyser]

Use the market goofy

[tidal plover]

3k gold and I’ll take her off your hands

[spice knoll]

just pulled a legendary loose trousers with +6max hp +2vig +2will +1mag power. how much should i sell for?

[hasty hamlet]

60g

i raise you 3 lockpicks

[upper stone]

5 gold and mimic tooth

[mint flower]

guys does the game loads longer than usual since a few weeks? or is this just a me problem 🤷‍♂️

[naive charm]

Are you talking about matchmaking times or just loading in general?

[mint flower]

loading in general

[naive charm]

Nah, I haven't noticed anything taking longer than usual.

[mint flower]

aight ty

[tidal plover]

Longbow armor pen was such a good idea they should probably up it even more

[terse hull]

honestly makes sense the weapons they chose would have some kind of armor pen

tbh i kinda wish the rapier would get like 5% armor pen bc it similarly meakes sense it could be used to pierce armor ( like stabing throught gaps in armor if IRL)

but i think the daggers and bows getting armor pen is totally fair, esp when most builds running those are going true phys anyways

[fringe zealot]

I like it. Makes it so they can buff weapons against tanks without making them extremely oppressive to cloth/leather users

[night folio]

Gotta wait for everyone to load so maybe with people with worse hardware

% pen scales with the armor value so it's much less valuable against non pdr players.

[solar zealot]

What is the use of cockatrice lucky feather ? Why is it so expensive in the market?

[rustic pecan]

goblin quest

[solar zealot]

It works with handled status with this quest ?

[rustic pecan]

idk tbh

[solar zealot]

Thx anyway, maybe someone else will have another insight

[night folio]

I was pretty sure it had to be looted for the quest

[solar zealot]

Thus my question because i can't find a craft recipe with it and they are listed around 1k in market

[night folio]

Things just skyrocket sometimes. Maybe it's been mined that it has a recipe incoming or something maybe it has no reason who knows

[thorn rune]

I think it’s fine on most the items it’s on. I find an issue with just the ranged meta but I have no ideas how to fix it so it is what it is lol. If you’re in full plate, arrows shouldn’t really be hurting that bad but it needs to otherwise dealing with a full plate sprint is unbalanced

[nimble bramble]

can uniques drop in normals or only hr

[thorn rune]

At a point in time it was only hr but I think I’ve seen some people saying they’ve gotten them in norms. I still never have, the wiki may be updated

[vapid arch]

uniques can drop but i don't think artifacts can

[thorn rune]

Some some sweet unique bardic pants last night from warlord 😎

(I cried)

[bitter tree]

It can drop in norms from the goblin caves with like a 1250 chance from dual boss room I think

[paper forum]

Do Nature's Touches stack?

[vapid arch]

don't worry devs are bringing back resourcefulness working on allegro and accelerando, i saw it in a dream

[thorn rune]

As much as I hate the current bard wizard cleric comp being dominant I enjoy playing against it more than old buffball and just having to quake the invis barb

I hope your dream is right 🙏 I miss my buff ball trio

[robust crater]

Anyone else unable to filter by Doublet in the marketplace?

Edit: Weird, I can now. I couldnt like 2 minutes ago

[midnight dirge]

SDF - I feel I know how to make this game great. The number one thing is removing the trade & market between players. With no trade it will make player loot the dungens for gear. Trade allows any player to buy the exact biz gear they need This forces all player to have biz gear as well. But if you remove trade players gear will be leveled up through killing players and looting. It also makes entering the dungen with your best gear dangerous.

[night folio]

It's the best part of the game just wrong

[vapid arch]

wdym be leveled up through killing players and looting, people do that anyway

[cold spire]

Congrats you just made gold and looting things to sell for gold useless

[midnight dirge]

of course but the go the the trade buy the exact correct meta gear to do so. if you had no trade you would not have the exact biz meta gear evetime. it would take time to build your perfect set, and it would be very scary to enter a game when it took a while to build that set vs just going to trade every time you die and getting what you need.

[vapid arch]

so you want to remove the ability for people to run good gear? what happens if you consistently find good gear for classes that you don't play?

[cold spire]

Whats even scarier especially for new players is entering a game where they cant compete after looting and selling some stuff to buy good gear vs the 24/7 chads that will have the good gear from playing too much

[midnight dirge]

well everyone would have the same struggle so you wouldnt have to worry so much about the meta biz evey game. items found can still be sold to vendors. gold should have a whole new purposes to the game vs buying meta biz gear every round

[vapid arch]

what this guy said, all you're going to do is incentivise top level players and content creators to create their own circles where they trade gear to each other in game which will cause an even bigger split between casual and competitive players

[vapid arch]

yeah i can sell purple low boots to vendor that have agi and double move speed for 40 gold or i can sell it on market for thousands

[knotty kernel]

Absolutely horid idea.

No one but the sweatest, players would ever have good gear.

[thorn rune]

I'd hate getting good gear for a class I dont play if that was the case.

[vapid arch]

also i don't think you understand how metas work, if you remove the ability for people to create the current meta builds its just going to be replaced by another meta that's more easily accessible and possibly less fun
that's why its called Most Effective Tactic Available

[solar zealot]

IM cooked for months for the marketplace, i don't think they plan to toss it haha. Before that, buying stuff was a nightmare.
Also, now with the buff on loot, we can have nice ssf games in <25 lobbies

[knotty kernel]

Nah trading post was based. Fucking amazing, people who knew what shit was worth made out like bandits. Plebs that couldn't play the market got hosed.

As it should be

[thorn rune]

It also wouldnt stop people from getting bis, it would just allow the people who get a full meta set fast to stomp everybody else without one more easily tbh

[midnight dirge]

but your missing the point everyone selling the gear for thousands and buying the meta gear. It way to easy to farm money and buy the perfect set every time. thats why you see the same meta all the time. no trade would make the game interesting and way more build diversity

[thorn rune]

It would just make the good builds win more. Theres a reason movement speed is expensive and its not just because people "think" its the meta. its because its just better. still will be if you had to find the gear

[knotty kernel]

Not at all, You fail to understand, that the people who are the best at the game in terms of skill and understanding the mechanics, are also the same players who have the best gear.

Is all that will happen is the good players, the sweats will get their bis kits becasue they can actually solo farm HR lich, and all the other players that can't will just have bad gear, with no ability to ever get better stuff. They will be the eternal pickings of the chads

[vapid arch]

no trade would mean only a select few would be running actual good gear that are lucky enough to find it while everyone else runs piss, which means that people aren't going to want to fight other people for gear which means people aren't going to want to play

[midnight dirge]

yes that one guy that get the meta set would be hard to beat but also have twice as much to loose.

[solar zealot]

*plebs that didn't have 1/2 h each time they built a kit haha

[thorn rune]

Nobody at the top is scared of losing items

[vapid arch]

gimme a stat check, how many hours you got in this game

[midnight dirge]

they wont survive foever trust me. if you do get your meta biz gear you have so much more to loose. look at players now. they get a unique and only use it a day before wipe lol

[knotty kernel]

Jokes on you, 100 of my 700 hours in this game is in trade chat alone.

[thorn rune]

yeah dude thats just wrong. Im burning 15k+ sets almost every day bc going in good gear is fun. Not as many people as you think are just holding on to good stuff and letting it rot in the vault

[midnight dirge]

a lot, and trust me i know how much gear matter in fights but everyine will have the same issue

[vapid arch]

you don't understand, no one is going to want to play your version of the game in general
there will be no one to farm the gear and no one to fight for it because everyone will be playing a different game

[vapid arch]

post pics

[midnight dirge]

2487 hours

[thorn rune]

and you're letting uniques sit in your stash ??

[wind venture]

It's going to be a good day when they gut PDR fighter. Armor stacking with range is too powerful -_-

[vapid arch]

that's not a pic

[midnight dirge]

nope i play the game.

[knotty kernel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, That will never happen.

Fighter has it made forever, it is SDF's pet class

[thorn rune]

Then I do not understand your issue

[vapid arch]

well they nerfed the range aspect a bit by reverting changes to weapon mastery

[midnight dirge]

watch some of these streams play hard core self found. it the way the game should be played, and i bet you all would love it

[solar zealot]

I still have ptsd of buying jewelry, with a hundred people racing for the trade requests

[cold spire]

if i wanna play hardcore ssf i will play poe

[wind venture]

@tardy muralI think a 180 HP 60-70% PDR fighter with a bow and hit with 30+STR is a liiiiiittle bit busted how easily you can make that

[thorn rune]

Im not too sure about deleting my class back to lvl 0 every time, that isnt fun. Doing self found is fun sure but should not be forced as trading is equally fun

[tranquil burrow]

I get 2v1d in normal goblin caves every match, AMA!

[vapid arch]

those streamers play self found because they've achieved literally everything possible at the game and are at the higher levels of skill expression, no normal person has the time skills or desire to play for an entire month to make 1 good kit to then lose it to a third party or bear trap

[knotty kernel]

I'm not joking, I loved the system it was like old runescape. Sitting outside Varoc spamming trade requests. It was a game in and of itself, which I miss.

[midnight dirge]

but every game shouldnt be about having the perfect gear. Why do you think SDF is going to squish the gear range.

[knotty kernel]

Rogue is a diferent type of encounter. It is a faced paced insta death match. You either hit them in the head and they go down or you die, But it is fair, even at the height of landmine it was an even match.

[vapid arch]

sdf thinks druid and fighter is fine, he's on some top shelf zaza and anyone who thinks like him needs to be ignored entirely
by removing the ability to trade you're actively stopping people to experiment with kit building, as bad as it was kris demonlock would've never happened if people couldn't trade among with many other builds
your idea is inherently flawed and no one will enjoy it and the fact that you think its good shows you have a tumour in your brain

[midnight dirge]

i agree,. I think that would be to much. but self found items is the way I feel

[thorn rune]

Yeah I just want to participate in HR and comp and I sadly work a job! I have to buy gear otherwise I'd just insta flop always. I don't want the queues split up more by gearscore either.

[desert orchid]

they gotta add auction where items get auto sold based on bid so I can get rid of my stuff

[turbid cedar]

can you not bandage anymore for wyveren pushing you off

[midnight dirge]

Wow- you are literally playing and talking a discord of DnD. And the guy who created all this for us, you say he's zazz??

[vapid arch]

i don't think english is your first language

[thorn rune]

lol

[cold spire]

Its ok we can play his game and criticize him about bad decisions when he makes them

[knotty kernel]

Your wrong, rogue is a glass cannon archtype (at least it has been.) It has the lowest defense stats of any class; (Wizard has defensive perks and utility spells). Every fight involving rogue was always if they can burst the other class down faster.

Under a traditional face tanking stat check, rogue always lost that engagement. Because their lower defense could never sustain the halberd, felling axe, falchion, headshot damage. So the rogue could only win by getting an advantageous opening.

And that adavantageous opening was always relient on the lack of awareness of the opposing player. People only ever lost to landmine becasue they simply were bad players who did not pay attention. And deserved their death

[knotty kernel]

SDF is incompetant, the worst dev in industry.

[boreal island]

you can't even spell the insult you're throwing at him lmao

[olive flower]

im deaddd lmao

[paper forum]

incompetant

[west marten]

Does any1 feel like the Spectral Knight Leap is bugged sometimes? Its like when the shielders locked onto you a couple patches ago

[olive flower]

idk but fix druid damage transfer on shifting

[desert orchid]

I found out about a bug where if u transform on a floorspike u take dmg multiple times instantly and die

[vast ravine]

is old rusty key worth opening or just selling?

[desert orchid]

always sell

[west marten]

Open

[olive flower]

i shift into bear and get hit mid shit and results in a one tap, wonderful

[unkempt lily]

If he bumps into you when leaping he drops there. Thats because he doesnt actually fly in the animation

[desert orchid]

#druid message

[vapid arch]

rest in piss druid player

[woeful plume]

You can fly, quit her belly aching. lol

[olive flower]

rondel fighter i presume, wanna be rogue so bad with pdr

[earnest current]

legendary gear 30% PDR + 30% MDR rogue got 1 curse + 1 ball die from blue gear warlock , with spellbook out still 315 move speed from warlock curse like instal , 1 curse drain 70%HP ye good game to dead game

[woeful plume]

I"ve been playing mmo's for too long to have class envy, I leave that to you kids.

[earnest current]

test 3 time PDR rogue i can make sure game are no place for rogue right now , noob ironmace want to delete the Rogue class but still keep the class in the game and it fking s..ck lose all other class , good gear still die to blue gear because u can't touch them , they got wall hack

i will make sure next patch they will nerf rogue again or will calm down player with useless buff for rogue and then nerf again

Season 4 like Sh..t - Season 5 like tr..sh and next after law suit with season 6 all player play for few day and all sure quit this sh..t game because update patch

[lavish ivy]

Yea no for me the new content for the next season is either going to make or break the Game

[frank silo]

can anyone tell me anytips on how to encounter ghost king, i went there 5 consecutive times already ang still no ghost king, its really wasting my time since i cant play all day due to work

[desert orchid]

keep going until u find him nothing but luck

[olive flower]

esp huge issue rn, i need sorcs

[lavish ivy]

Go to inferno until you hope like you get the right map

[modern atlas]

I will continue to enjoy the game for the game that it is. Then I go back outside 😂

[whole raven]

Goblin stealing last hit when im on the KILL player mission... jesus christ

[night folio]

Skill diff

[vapid arch]

skill issue

#in-game-reports

[karmic comet]

The games ina good spot rn keep it this way, pump out content and its chillin

[blazing shard]

Is there something wrong/broken with the Falchion vs Shield ? It seems that the first two hits of the combo are impossible to block... even on the death cam it literally goes though my shield and I take full dammage, not even half parry -_-

[thorn grove]

this is the best state the game has ever been in.

[verbal abyss]

agreed

[subtle heart]

Not really, they made inferno bosses even worse. 3 layer system with no fucking indication for what boss it is, but you still have 2 boss quests that require specific kills. 30 minutes for an attempt is absurd

[verbal abyss]

best state for pvp i'd say

[thorn grove]

devs are still reres in some regards, but yeah pvp is great rn

[verbal abyss]

^^ 3 layer system is bad and not fun, hopefully will be polished

[subtle heart]

Ghost king quest is so shit because of it. 30 attempts only 2 times have seen it

[verbal abyss]

Yeah thats the general idea lmfao, at least ghostking is ez

[young violet]

will crafted items changed to looted by when picked up in dungeon so they can be used in arena or nah?

[dapper junco]

unless they plan on changing anything, atm its just you either loot it fresh from a dungeon or craft it to get your own name marked on it, nothing changes it from there on, if its marked it stays marked regardless of who takes it

[vapid arch]

Lol

[verbal abyss]

hm?

[worn dragon]

any advice for brand new player?

[winter hull]

if u delete character races save?

[hollow raptor]

I wonder, how much is a lot of money in this game?

[rapid vapor]

anything cosmetic. like whats in the customize menu is account wide

[dapper junco]

theres people that easily have hundreds of thousands worth of stuff if not just out right liquid gold across their accounts

[hollow raptor]

Liquid then, how much liquid is a lot?

[dapper junco]

well its hard to hold all that coz of the storage space, a lot of them likely keeping it invested in stuff that retains value, so they can sell it if they need gold

[worn dragon]

meanwhile I die every 30 seconds. 😦

[hollow raptor]

A flat number, rough estimate?

[twin stream]

3 gold

[placid cipher]

Patch today?

[drowsy nexus]

How to recharge 2nd wind

[placid cipher]

Campfire

[drowsy nexus]

😔

[placid cipher]

Maybe just maybe potion of clarity too? Not sure -- yeah looks like just campfire

[thorn rune]

pretty sure just campfire

[worn dragon]

how do you get in and out of a dungeon???

[placid cipher]

Oh that guy. Blue stairs, red stairs, blue/red portals, gates, ropes.

Death also

[worn dragon]

death just ends. no gold no gear. I've mastered that outcome

[placid cipher]

Same. F

[karmic comet]

Agreed!

[worn dragon]

So is it recommended to start out solo or what?

[karmic comet]

TRIOS ONLY

[verbal abyss]

its recommended to start with a few buddies

[worn dragon]

maybe that is why I'm dead 😦

[placid cipher]

Solo and Rat lol warlock with hydra/life drain spell book and longsword

[verbal abyss]

but if u aint got that play some solos

[late jetty]

rubysilver only in hell?

[placid cipher]

Use it with vampirism and heal off the hydra, its great and simple.

[placid cipher]

No, hidden in ruins aswell

[woeful plume]

There's some in the ruins.

[copper ivy]

In the central room of the ruins and in the treasure room

[rich elm]

Someone know how to calculate the DPS on a weapon?

[late jetty]

ty ❤️

[copper ivy]

https://dndcalc.com/

[rich elm]

Where can i do it here?

[nocturne marsh]

dont use it, its outdated

[worn dragon]

Finally got lucky and had blue stairs on spawn

[nocturne marsh]

I dont give a FUCK

[verbal abyss]

hm?

jhit has a bible verse in his bible but needlessly spreads hate, mr. hypocrite

jesus would be ashamed

[worn dragon]

Thanks @nocturne marsh

[vapid arch]

i recommend not playing

[daring kiln]

does someone know how to access the underground part of the chapel in ruins? (the one with two harpys)

[remote relic]

Theres a statue and the hand of that statue is a lever

[swift grove]

(
(
(
+ (Base Damage + Buff Weapon Damage) * Combo Multiplier * Impact Zone Multiplier
+ Gear Weapon Damage|Magical Damage
+ Divine Strike Damage
)
* (1 + Power Bonus)
+ Additional Damage
)

• (1 + Hit Location Bonus)
• (1 + Race Damage Bonus)
• (1 - Race Damage Reduction)
• (1 - Damage Reduction * (1 + Damage Reduction Mod) * (1 - Penetration))
• (1 - Projectile Reduction)
  )
• Projectile Falloff

• True Damage

(Source: https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage )

[thin bear]

Day 21 Asking Ironmace to add a playable Medusa/Gorgone race skin.

[rich elm]

Thx for this, but I'm asking for DPS, not damage ahah

[swift grove]

sorry, idk a tool that calculates DPS. took a minute for me to figure out just how many variables would be involved to do that accurately (weapon type, action speed, physical damage bonus, weapon damage, armor pen etc etc). Hopefully we get that social space they've been talking about soon so we can go into an area with a target dummy whenever without risking gear

[vapid arch]

aprox 7 hours till games death. rip good gear

[vapid arch]

no

[thin bear]

Yes.

[small current]

i am f2p user and i got in normals skull key wtf

[vapid arch]

it can spawn and drop in normals

[unborn cape]

i killed about 200 skele champ and drop this key once

[small current]

i thought it drops only in hr

[rugged elbow]

Question, can you buy the redstone shards from a friend? or it's a personal?

[vapid arch]

no

[tender karma]

ARCANE SHIELD IS NOT WORKING fix your game please

[rugged elbow]

I mean, for a friend

[desert orchid]

Dont think so. Best he can do is sell steam marketplace stuff to get the money in his steam wallet and use that I guess

[rugged elbow]

https://www.darkanddarker.com/shop
Looked on the main game's store, but I'm not sure if I can get a code, or it's linked to the account

[delicate jetty]

let us pick a fucking map

[hoary flax]

For the quests that go interact with X trap. that means you have to disarm them with the kit item right?

[swift ether]

Higher chance in hr

[rugged gale]

is ranger op

[thorn rune]

??? Wym

[rigid pivot]

its about that time

[night folio]

Yes indeed

[uncut pagoda]

Is there place to post msgs for devs like balance changes

[subtle halo]

I am rubberbanding all over the place... what is up with the servers?!!

[tidal lynx]

guys i have so many jewerly its all uncommon. But i dont have enough listing space like everytime. what to do

[grim wing]

So Is going to be a rollback tomorrow or a miniwipe?

[limber badge]

why

[solemn shore]

No tomorrow is a Thursday

[grim wing]

they are saying that

[ripe wigeon]

i got some dude twice in a row matching with me trying to kill me instantly and when i kill him saying thx i just wanna watch im new o-0 ended up getting tk penalty

[cinder prairie]

How do people find others do help them with bosses?

[ripe wigeon]

lfg channels, which bosses?

[cinder prairie]

I need a spectra knight on two quests and a banshee kill on two others so if I get one spec knight kill and one banshee kill I'll do three quests.

[ripe wigeon]

i can solo spectral if u want, are u on eu servers?

[cinder prairie]

I don't even need the loot but the lag from people rendering makes things impossible to dodge. I can't dodge shit when I have 3 fps for six seconds

[uncut pagoda]

Vender it. It's only like 3g profit if selling it for 25g on market after fee

[cinder prairie]

Then fine for six then, the crashing for six, etc etc.

I'm on NA I think

[ripe wigeon]

why does it happen lol

[cinder prairie]

As I understand it, they haven't optimized the rendering so it just tanks ur CPU trying to render a fight with people hopping in and out of render range.

[ripe wigeon]

u have weak pc?

[cinder prairie]

I'm doing banshee but it's also trying to render the fireballs and effects of a fight happening a tile over. I mean I have a 2080 graphics card. It never used to have this issue until it started happening to everyone.

[ripe wigeon]

weird didnt hear about it

anyway u can add me ingame (re1nn) and run spectral if u want

[cinder prairie]

Yeah like a month or two ago people started having dips in performance cause of player rendering and how it basically told you people were near. I play on medium setting with no cloak animations and stuff like that, I've tried reducing it more but it's the same constant drops no matter my graphics settings are.

@ripe wigeon I'll be on after I finish eating.

[night folio]

🪝🎣

[cinder prairie]

Huh

[night folio]

I'm getting horrible tearing on my over clocked 3080 when wizards use flame weapon so it's not your PC. I go to 40 fps instantly

[ripe wigeon]

if it tanks the cpu like mik said mayb its not about gpu

[cinder prairie]

I didn't think it was mostly cause it was an issue for everyone and then I heard about two weeks ago they still haven't addressed the problem but it makes the harder bosses even harder. I can still do cyclops and a very slow barbarian lich cause they are relatively easy, boss mechanic based fights. Shit like spectral and ghost king when I need to react or move quickly it just doesn't count the movement.

Oh if you mean like CPU the game never goes above 35% usage but whenever these lag happens it says the application isn't responding. @ripe wigeon

[ripe wigeon]

oh i think it did happen to me few times but not every match

[night folio]

Mine isn't constant but I have identified what causes it. To be fair I player spawn rush before bosses especially now with the frame rate issues from other players

[cinder prairie]

So like I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do if the application just tanks like a mfer. It feels more like an optimization issue.

I def don't think the game is graphics demanding inherently, just poorly optimized but it makes bossing difficult and it costs me in PVP when I have to half a hurt box in two places but it never counts any attacks I do as hots because "it didn't know if I was there" I just have to take the worst of being in two spots without any of the benefits which is just wack as shit

[drowsy thicket]

@glad thunder can you maybe do a pull on what kind of reskin people want for a demigod reward and like id like to get a cloak since some of us couldn’t before 😤

[ocean gale]

big tiddy gobo skin. nuff said

[drowsy thicket]

I’d be pissed if that’s a demigod reward instead of a pathfinder reward

[ocean gale]

pathfinder is small tiddy skin

[drowsy thicket]

💀 oh ya you right probably we got a female cat then a male cat instead of doing something diff for the quest idk why I expect so much from them

[hardy dirge]

The lag really is wild, I had a dude kill me and take no damage where on my end I had hit him 3 times on his end I looked at a wall not moving for a few seconds

Sent me video evidence and everything

[late jetty]

Y expressman not loading my stuff? been like 30mins after dungeon

[night folio]

Are you for sure on your correct server? It changed for me automatically at one point it's worth the check.

[cinder prairie]

ARE YOU TELLING ME I COULD BE PLAYING IN A DIFFERENT SERVER AND THATS WHY IM TANKING? IM GONNA BE SO PISSED IF THATS TRUE

[night folio]

Wohhhhh hold up the campfire cosmetic from the quests are cool. Too bad we got trash for the other two tho

[night folio]

I had it assign me saopaola at one point despite being in Texas. Played like that for who knows how long

[cinder prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/future-noway-no-smh-gif-19905969

[night folio]

@cinder prairie how'd it goooo what server you on

[hardy dirge]

Even on the correct server you'll still tank randomly

[tough blade]

What is tmr's patch 🥲

[night folio]

Yah but if he's getting it constantly maybe it could be an improvement

[cinder prairie]

im finally on my PC, how do i check

[night folio]

Left side of screen on the main home page server select button above queue

[karmic spade]

Bards songs should have charges and need to be campfired. Class is a problem and clear bossing king.

[cinder prairie]

bard is up there with druid for best design imo

[karmic spade]

Druid spells have charges xD

[cinder prairie]

bard is balanced by needing to switch instruments, it rewards quickly switching and playing the song while dodging and being aware of whats around you

[karmic spade]

More like shriek fish and 3 shot anything with 30% action speed. Hardly balanced

[night folio]

@cinder prairie you check server?

[cinder prairie]

yeah but performing it quickly and effectively is hard

@night folioim starting now, it takes a while sometimes

[night folio]

Alrighty. Are you on a hard drive or a SSD?

[cinder prairie]

thas a good question, probably hard drive since it has the most space

[kind glen]

Hey! I don't really know where to go for stuff like this, however I recently started playing this game
and I suck lol
however I'm having issues getting practice in for PVP
anyone got tips for that?

[sleek lark]

run at ppl in normals ull start to learn the spawns

[cinder prairie]

it says im us east which is right

[vapid arch]

bum rush people and learn how to space in a fight, land ranged attacks, and how to dodge ranged attacks

[late jetty]

nice SSD never heard of it

[cinder prairie]

huh?

[night folio]

Hmmm well that's not it. Might have hard drive failures. Idk man

[kind glen]

noted
I shall be rushing people with my base gear and hoping for the best 🙏

[late jetty]

Wut problem mik

[cinder prairie]

my laptop is about 5 years old but it says i meet all the demands and it doesnt drop frames any more or less on higher or lower graphics

[night folio]

Ahh it's a laptop? Idk might just be that time. Or it's the game. I had to yeet mine recently as well they just aren't built to last gaming. Even the gaming ones aren't built to last

[bold pier]

upgrade....

[cinder prairie]

i mean it didnt do it until it started happening to everyone, its only reasonable that i dont think its on my end

[late jetty]

If other games run fine then 🤷

u lagging?

[cinder prairie]

thats why i wanna show like an iron mace technical expert, so they can see the issue cause it could be on my end but i wanna get a professional oppinion first

[night folio]

If it's constantly all the time it might just be you everyone I know of is specific

[sand citrus]

hi do yall know when arena is out?

[chilly ginkgo]

weekend

[covert mango]

is goblin merchant bugged on wyvern? didnt return my loot twice now

[opaque stratus]

Is there a way to check if you're chat banned? I can type to people but my mic won't work. It works everywhere else and I can hear others. If I am I would at least like to know it.

@covert mango Can't get loot back if its in the void

[worthy mica]

Any chance you accidentally hit VoIP toggle like I constantly do

[slate swift]

If you die to a player/if someone takes your loot off of your dead body then the gob merchant will not return your items

[finite tulip]

went into trio HR gobo caves with randoms my one teammate extrated waiting on elevator to come and looting underneath and my rogue teammate just runs me down such a fun game

[late jetty]

Nvr trusting a red name again smh ;p

[desert orchid]

never trust no one

[subtle heart]

Don't hate the game, hate the player

[umbral mantle]

Problem is complicated by the fact that weapons have fluctuating DPS based on where they are in their animation. The DPS for one full attack combo is significantly different than the DPS over an extended period of time.

If you want the DPS of a weapon over an extended period of time, you'd calculate the weapon's damage and go to the weapon page on the wiki, find the box that lists the weapon's attack speed, add up the time of every animation, including "windup," "hit," "combo activation," and "recover" time, note that these are in milliseconds so 1000 ms is 1 second, use the combo section to see the hit multiplier of the attacks and add them up by how many attacks are in the combo, then divide that by the time it takes to go through the full combo.

For example, the rapier has a combo of 4 attacks, first hit in the combo is 100% damage, 105% second, 110% third, 115% fourth. Add up all the animation times and you have .446s + .056s + .112s + .669s + .079s + .180s + .651s + .081s + .239s + .596s + .083s + .688s, which equalls 3.88s. So you make 4 attacks in 3.88s dealing 430% combo damage in total. You'd multiply the damage you calculate for the weapon by 4.3, and divide that by 3.88.

Assume the weapon has ~30 damage to give an example, your long-term dps would be 30*4.3/3.88 or roughly 33.25 dps.

This is a somewhat poor estimation though because combat isn't usually holding left click in someones face for too long. Often it's broken up combo by combo with some degree of kiting or other factors. the rapier gets its first attack frame at at .447 seconds meaning it has dealt 67 dps at the .447 second mark of attacking. You can have dealt 2 attacks (2.05 combo multiplier) in 1.284 seconds with 47.9 dps, 3.15 attack modifier can be dealt in 2.194 seconds with 43.1 dps, 4.3 attack modifier of damage can be dealt in 3.11 s for 41.5 dps. After a combo ends and the recovery frames kick in, your dps drops severely.

[exotic crypt]

not to mention each enemy has a different amount of armor 🙂

[rich elm]

I'm not talking about that

[rich elm]

I think that "hit" doesnt count in the calcul

Thx for help btw

[torn arch]

I just died in HR Goblin because of the timer, do I guarantee get my gear back from Goblin?

[wooden lichen]

SERVERS ARE SO LAGGY HOLY SHIT

[exotic pulsar]

is their a coaching channel?

[night talon]

am i dumb or did they change keybinds, right click is dropping things instead of equiping them

[ripe wigeon]

its a bug, alt + tab , press shift , it will fix it

if u accidently press alt+tab and shift, the shift might stay as "pressed"

[smoky tangle]

does the goblin get your stuff back if you died from the map ending

[vocal thicket]

if you expressman an item out its not minted. if you bring it down and leave with it will that mint it or no?

[boreal island]

yes

[cinder prairie]

how to keep miasma banshee away?

[boreal island]

dodge with weapon sheathed

[cinder prairie]

okay but like how do you dodge it

cause that thing will just turn on a dime point blank and fuck me up

[ancient glacier]

so when are they gunna fix the ladders

[copper island]

who wants to boss farm gobby caves with me in hr?

[round mica]

does anybody have any tips for dodging the banshee 4 shot attack? i've tried strafing perpendicular to the spawns, tried the same with a jump, tried standing still and then starting the strafe when the first orb shoots, tried jumping away when the attack starts, tried circling boss and jumping behind it. move still kills me 90% of my attempts.

sitting 298 movespeed with bard rapier out for the fight

[storm stratus]

There is currently a bug where bodies can de-render (or never render at all) and when you walk through it, you glitch the fuck out and bounce around. Please fix thank you (by bodies I mean player bodies).

[round mica]

i try to sit middle of the room because she bounces off the walls. it's fast as f though and hard to dodge sometimes

[cosmic swan]

Yeah i've seen that too. Hopefully it'll be fixed in tge upcoming hotfix. You can still #report-a-bug if you manage to clip it

[storm stratus]

I just glitched tru my friends body trying to grab his soul because his body didnt render and then it bounced me off the edge. Feelsgoodman. At least we died together shrug

[teal jolt]

What is the gear score cut off limit?

[zealous jewel]

why are the gathering halls so dead...

[ripe wigeon]

cause u can just random queue or invite through player list

[glossy flax]

nerf rogue

[abstract rune]

25+, 125+ correct me if it changed

[frank path]

yo i havent played in a long time and i wanted to ask what is the best class to play and why?

[abstract rune]

You’re never gonna hear a correct answer because it’s really all personal preference of playstyle, overall fighter has the strength armor and weapon capabilities that other classes do not have. - he’s the most well rounded

[umbral mantle]

Hit is the animation frames where the hitbox is active (where damage can be done), windup is the frames in the animation before that, and combo is the frames in the animation after it supposing you are continuing the attack combo. The attack frames are a separate window of time from the other listed frames and thus are a factor to the calculated dps of a weapon. That said, in listing dps values of 1 through 4 attacks, I ended the calculation on the first millisecond of the listed attack times of the last hit that would be made, because once the attack frame has started, the damage can potentially be dealt.

[runic turtle]

fighter is generally good, tanky lots of variety. wizard is good for pvp if you can get good at it but is slow at killing bosses so its mostly good for trios. ranger is good in general when fully geared. bard is always good. lots of classes are pretty good rn tbh

[remote stump]

Does expressman loot count in arena? like do you retain it when you lose?

[vapid arch]

no

[bitter tree]

When will the HR rewards release?

[river halo]

anyone willing to take me through im 2 days in but old mates gotta sleep and im still taaaraaaash

[umbral mantle]

No objectively correct answer here.

That said I personally find that the bard is a great class to play. Ranged gameplay tends to be strong, often a melee combatant may not be able to catch up to a ranged combatant because of speed differences, the bard can relatively easily gain a large speed difference advantage over many other classes considering with songs and beer he can increase his speed by 20 and even reduce enemy speeds by 10. He can very easily hit the 330 speed cap when unarmed by buffs alone giving him equal speed to barbarian or fighter that popped their sprint or roar. The bard is the most mobile class relative to other classes except in the case of druid, but unlike druid the bard has great ranged options.

I also like shields in general for when an enemy actually gets close to you, which a bard has access to. While the buckler is still useful, even though it isn't as great as a heater shield IMO, getting good at using shields in close combat will be game winning for a lot of close-combat encounters.

[heavy relic]

Players: There are traps in the game...

Dev: Just look down

Players: Ok I uninstall your old crappy game

[earnest silo]

Fighter shields are strong, and fighter doesn't get many nerfs. Best melee class in the game with shield mastery besides demonlock.

[hidden zephyr]

It’s been a while sense I’ve touched the game, has there been a wipe recently? Or is there one coming up?

[storm stratus]

how do i convince barb friend that double axe is the one and true only way to play barb?

[hardy dirge]

Oh no traps in the dungeon who woulda thought

[vapid arch]

my favourite part is when they're hidden in the terrain so you physically cannot see them

[heavy relic]

yes clearly

[storm stratus]

are ppl whining about the big ass traps that can be easily avoided? wot

[limber badge]

Just look down ecks dee

[storm stratus]

literally just use your peripheral vision. If you need to look down there something wrong with ye eyes

[vapid arch]

they can be hidden in terrain and bodies and stacked on top of each other, which people consistently do while just waiting in a corner for someone to walk into it
the fact that the 20 gold investment and 3 second deployment of a trap is enough to guarantee a kill shouldn't happen

[limber badge]

I just set like 6 up in front of a down portal in ruins and it gets kits 100% of the time. No exaggeration, 100% of the time. Try it.

Especially since you can set 300 of them. So I place them in a way where jumping over the first set forces them to land on the second.
15 second true damage and no movement babyyyy

For real though they need to be nerfed or reworked, but ranger needs to be uplifted in other ways to compete with the fact that bard/fighter are just as good, if not better, ranger classes.

[vapid arch]

traps should just be damage and movement slow, they shouldn't lock you in place

[heavy relic]

im totally agree with you

just a slow like Achille's Strike and some damage

[cloud shale]

why is dark matter 9k on the market when the items it makes 2k?

[limber badge]

stonks

[light aurora]

Druid is the craziest thing to be added to this game besides + all attributes to clothes the class is so versatile and can play almost any situation to his advantage

[finite jay]

what time dose the lawsuit end?

[bold pier]

what quest gives you the mummy emote

[ocean gale]

I don't think the AVERAGE person here is gonna have that info

[tall token]

are they wipping next week for item changes>

[earnest cliff]

nope it'll just update them

[lost chasm]

does anyone know if items that u put into the expressman give u AP / count for the item achieve on HR

[earnest cliff]

They do not

[lost chasm]

kk ty !!

[earnest cliff]

np

[naive depot]

I am having an issue trying to find a game me and my friend I live in canada and my friend in the US and the map change for me 10 or 11 seconds after it change for my friend this causing a long time to find a game usually 2 minutes in que or 3 trying to find a game and we tried different regions and same issue any suggestion on what can I do 😭

[limber badge]

Wow that's a really bizarre bug. Interesting. Genuinely unsure how you'd approach fixing that, though.

[limber badge]

Is it the same regardless of who hosts the lobby?

[swift grove]

update your system clock. right click, adjust date/time, sync now. have your friend do this also

[grim wing]

Hotfix #69 is scheduled to be released within today (UTC). should i burn my ARENA kit?

[olive socket]

y?

[honest oriole]

cause supposedly this is gonna be the gear squish hotfix but nobody actually knows

[olive socket]

itd be funny to see them nerf additional stats and buffs but keep tru phys. Just let bards and rangers go even harder. We'll see tho.

[solemn zealot]

if you buy items from the market can you use them for turn in quests?

[stray heart]

what should i run doing hr as a wizard

[unique light]

No they will not count as 'looted'

[tiny briar]

Do cheaters get banned?

[grim wing]

no if they sorry to IM

[tiny briar]

always see "This has already been reported"

like man that feels good to see after an Tab aiming player kill

[tiny briar]

only if the Loot state does not say Looted in the items required. The gold ore can be bought t o make gold bars

[grim wing]

it wont go away never. so its up to you. in my case if this situation increases am out

[hardy dirge]

It only says that after you report because you can't click that report card again

[tiny briar]

I thought a BIG draw for this game was anticheat design

like the problem of cheating in games like this, literally is so bad, and is almost a mark of an online games success, because cheaters are making $

[upper mist]

is teaming in hr only banable or in norms too cause i think i may have been teamed but it was norms

[tiny briar]

can evidence of cheating still be submitted via discord to @cerulean delta ? I will record every game sessions if so...

[wanton otter]

predict the patchnotes

[subtle heart]

is there a way to see your overall stats? like how many times youve died or is that not possible?

[olive socket]

teaming in norms = A OK

[knotty kernel]

where do you get froststone? do you have to kill the frost dragon?

[wary magnet]

yes

[flat juniper]

Romance options with merchants finally 🙏

[umbral mantle]

Slight item stat adjustments, but for now (no wipe yet) we keep the random modifiers. 25+ and 125+ lobbies merged.

[tidal kelp]

if hotfix #69 doesn't have something significant then we have to riot.

[wary magnet]

at 200 affinity you get a special cutscene with each merchant

[tidal kelp]

Only if they're pov shots

[distant pivot]

how come fighters with 270 move speed can catch me with 325?

[wary magnet]

if you kill 100 harpys you get a secret cutscene

[sturdy surge]

why is the dark matter tunic even a thing its basically a scam. 2.4k for the cheapest when I could buy a legendary adventurer tunic with 2 knowledge for 2k less than that

[rose summit]

Honest question because im trying to save my friend some time, but does anyone know if the game is playable on steam deck? Ive been playing and showing them the game since pre alpha, and instead of buying a PC they get a steam deck, but they love the game and its idea and wanna play it with me. Curious if anyone knows? If not ig we gonna be the first to test it out!!

[umbral hearth]

just got a glitch where cyclops was immortal, went through 7 rockfall phases out of spite and got killed by timer running out

[fast wave]

He can just test it with the free version?

[rose summit]

Mhm is able to be installed off the steam deck, but lots of games are able to be installed. Not all of them are formatted, just trying to save time like I said.

Mainly asking if anyone else here has tried or knows lol. WE LAZY IN THIS HOE!!

[untold bear]

I saw skinny Pete play with a steam controller once but idk steam deck lol. He prob can

[rose summit]

Oh?? Ill let him know that thanks 😊

[untold bear]

On a side note how do we get into the big room in demon gate inferno on normals? Went in there once with a trio on normals once but idk what the guy did. All the info I see online all specifies about high roller

[azure socket]

you mean the skullkeyroom?

[untold bear]

Yeah, I thought you could only use it in hr; can you use it in normals too?

[azure socket]

yes , you just need a lockpick

[untold bear]

Oh that's sick

[stray heart]

what sstat should i mostly focus on for wizard

[junior glen]

DnD General chat is now a complaint forum for people who die and complain about the new meta class lol

[knotty kernel]

I think you move slower going backwards, and they also have more range on their swing, and you slow down while doing just about anything

[green thunder]

Just had a 6 man group run up to me in solo hr gob caves, say nothing, loot the hoard I was on in the blink of an eye and then run away. I keep hearing talk about it being a cn player issue, is there any evidence to this and if so why are they able to queue on NA servers?

[rapid vapor]

You can queue up for any of the servers you want by selecting it above the find match button. It's not just CN players. I just had a group of Americans grouping up in solos

[green thunder]

I'm optimistic that it's not one country lmao. What server were you playing on? All I got was "no english" before they all scurried off

[rapid vapor]

NAEast it's the only thing i play on because anything above 50 ping feels miserable

[green thunder]

Lol fair. Maybe it's prejudice on my part but didn't just feel like a teaming issue it felt like server invasion lmao

[deft lintel]

XD

[ember cloud]

Loving the loot shadow-nerf

[fast wave]

Gross don't tag me

[limber jolt]

Why they ninja nerf it?

[grizzled panther]

anyone know how to beat banshee legit without getting super mad

[calm oasis]

i found a spot where i got stuck

[desert orchid]

ranger traps nerfed today

[sullen pilot]

wtf is this games aggro bro i literally NEVER touched the fkn mob and it aggros on me after on my duo for 15 seconds????!!!!!

[obtuse harness]

Anyone else hopping around checked int and everything seems fine on my end seen alot of players hoping around in NA

[half zenith]

They nerfing the loot today?

[flat juniper]

Changing gear stats

[high ruin]

is anyone else's game stuttering? jsut been stuttering non stop lately

[viscid socket]

ranger is busted change my mind

[high ruin]

any ranged class is busted bro, relax

[viscid socket]

true nerf bows

[high ruin]

all casting and ranged weapons need to slow movement even more, or maintain the slow while jumping

[half zenith]

Not my minted crafts 😩

[flat juniper]

Have you updated your drivers

[high ruin]

Just did, hope it helps

[flat juniper]

Your mint is lint

[bold pebble]

im new to this game is there any videos anyone could recommend me that would be good for starting to learn more

[flat juniper]

Ryan6daysaweek

[bold pebble]

thank you

[sly frost]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Can you please explain to via interpretive dance why you think hunting traps are even close to being balanced at the moment.

[viscid socket]

just look down obv

[weak sleet]

Not like this (the guy) also has some good videos on dodging skeletons and basic game sense + teamfight tactics

[unkempt lily]

i heard a story of a guy who became so good at dodging skeletons he separated from his own and died instantly

[stone falcon]

He became a skeleton soldier himself fated to walk within the dungeons for all eternity

[green thunder]

Please stop announcing the patch until it's ready and being shipped. How have over half the patches this wipe been delayed and now it's being pushed a full day with no accurate eta? This seems like an elementary reoccurring issue and is so unprofessional @glad thunder

[wooden lichen]

bro forgot to look down

[hushed shell]

Name checks out

[green thunder]

mine doesn't

[wooden lichen]

[subtle heart]

Bring back random portals

[deft lintel]

Please don’t.

[subtle heart]

plz yes

[deft lintel]

Portals will make it so that new players quit at a earlier rate

[subtle heart]

I don't care bro

[weak kernel]

Didn’t affect us during the PT days…. I agree random portals and erase bard/warlock/druid

[strong ember]

soo force ppl to run around the map other way

if its problem for new players maybe make random spawns only for hr or 125<

[earnest current]

Dead game

[distant pivot]

YO DEVS NERF PDR FIGHTER YOU FUCKING DUMBSHITS, 170 HP 60% PDR MAX MOVE SPEED, DOES MORE DMG THAN ANY OTHER CLASS AND IS A TANK LIKE WTF

[earnest current]

dead game no body care and Dev say Nah why nerf they want to think how to nerf Rogue again like all other patch only aim the Rogue

[distant pivot]

based on what statistic? your reddit degree? pretty sure game player base was 5x back when the game was a BR.

[calm musk]

why can u enter solo in any normal lobbies (not filling the team when playing duos/trio) and cant in high roller

[distant pivot]

to prevent timmy squads getting frustrated dying to 1 vet player then insta quitting

[calm musk]

lol that kinda of a lame reason but oh well

[fringe condor]

why sometimes i can't check the deathcam?

[distant pivot]

based on my reddit degree (Real reason is Devs have no direciton have no idea what they want, and only make patches based on the most popular youtube videos) (I can almost gaurentee they are going to nerf Ranger Traps from the "Just Look down SDF Meme" When in fact the meme for fighters with every single charcter in the game "Just Kite us" like bro their aint no kiting you i legit couldnt even kite a 270 move speed pdr rondel fighter earlier today i was hitting shots turning around kitting him and he was just W keying me at angles and cutting me off because you know gemoetry and the modules are square. like wtffff

Fighters gonnna be like "skill issue" and im liek 60% pdr 170 hp and 10%+ projectile resistance .... (skil issue)

[deft lintel]

It was ironmace that removed portals and zone. Not players asking for it.

They experimented with the ice map, and it was successful

[distant pivot]

Grats bro, 20k player base, and going down as we speak

[late jetty]

Aint possible getting previous twitch drops right?

[deft lintel]

Due to rat and rogue players waiting for a fight to break out and snipe all the loot with zero risk. That’s the reason.

[deft lintel]

Considering it was 10k two weeks ago, that’s pretty good.

[distant pivot]

was it really at 10k?

[deft lintel]

Probably at a low point. Let me check steam charts

[deft lintel]

Before patch, lowest point on steam was 9.7k. After patch lowest point was 12.6k. But that’s patch hype, so not really THAT drastic

[calm musk]

well a better reason all tho, in a game in wich u should have freedom doesnt seem like something that should be a bother... i mean druid flying is much more game breaking in my opnion

[deft lintel]

I agree somewhat. But these solo players filled half the lobby sometimes. So you would only actually have like 2 or 3 teams, while everyone else was just waiting for them to fight. It got really bad in some regions.

[desert orchid]

sdf gave us 1 day before he deletes gear 😢

[deft lintel]

One Extra day. Saint.

[tepid falcon]

bro im really curios what this update will bring

[desert orchid]

I hope they nerf zombies cuz the farts go crazy when theres 3 zombies

[tepid falcon]

xD

dont forget the three zombies in the spawn point of ruins xD

[desert orchid]

they have the perfect zombie in ice caves why they had to make the crypts zombies so annoying

[tepid falcon]

ice caverns is the goat man i wish it was more love ;(.

[desert orchid]

it has highest enemy density and u get debuff if u get hit

[tepid falcon]

they should remove the mobs in the middle square and boom u have a good map

or make a daytime version of ruins that would go crazy

[cold spire]

bright and brighter?

[tepid falcon]

bright and brighter

[cold spire]

bright and brighter!

[ocean temple]

They need to get rid of dreamwalk and phantomise

[desert orchid]

why dreamwalk?

[tepid falcon]

dreamwalk?

[unborn cape]

only ruin maps re dark,they should make ice cavern and goblin cave darker

[ocean temple]

That druid ability u become immune

They broken af no counter play

[tepid falcon]

goblin is already dark and ice is alright.

[tepid falcon]

they should make it that u get slow by 5% when it activates

[ocean temple]

Should make it so you take no damage from mobs and can walk through them, not other players or remove abilities all together they’re busted

[tepid falcon]

@ocean templeu knows they might do it this patch that is coming tomorrow

[iron oak]

When did bards start using rondels? Also man does it hurt.

[tepid falcon]

when there wife left them and took the kids

[ocean temple]

The only counter was a silence on rogue and that got nerfed to 2 seconds. Druids get a free pass because silence doesnt stop that dreamwalk. And we all know druids are bad, but good druid players are really good. Warlock is absolutely cancerous. They can clear whole modules without issues

[gritty iron]

longsword > everything, change my mind

[tepid falcon]

felling axe and rondel have enter the room

[ocean temple]

Rondel bucker @gritty iron change the game

[iron oak]

Longsword is great until weapons that have so small of an impact power stat come in and deny parries.

[gritty iron]

felling axe: 180 parries (actualy not that hard to pull off) rondel: damn it you got me

[tepid falcon]

until u fight a barb that is trying to hit youre toes

[gritty iron]

after using longsword for a while thats a non issue you start reacting real fast, problem is parrying a dagger is just not duable

[iron oak]

That is what I meant, dagger even if you deflect is literally unable to trigger it.

[gritty iron]

space 'em till they get crippling depression and go for normal hit

[tepid falcon]

thats hard part just like rondel. felling axe will hug u to death and most of the time the barbs are faster then u

[gritty iron]

its possible to trigger yes, just need to react extremely fast its doable problem is getting that parry on the dagger so yeah fuck daggers i guess

[gritty iron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wrld-tour-gif-14702468268550282905

[tepid falcon]

xD

[gritty iron]

what yall thing should be done to fix rondel fighter?

[tepid falcon]

make it a rogue only weapon

[vapid arch]

add subclasses and make it so if fighters want to use plate they can't use daggers or bows

[ocean temple]

Remove warlock from the game would be a good start. And add more armour penetration to rogue gear

[vapid arch]

rogue has 65% armor pen by just existing wdym

[cosmic swan]

Make Weapon mastery two perk, one for melee weapon, one for ranged weapon with -10 or 15% PPB for melee and -15 or 20 for bow. So at least the rondel fighter don't have a bow

[gritty iron]

i see that way rondel fighter would be affacted emotionaly...

[ocean temple]

Lies! Its around 20%

[tepid falcon]

warlocks or rogue hhhmm this is a hard one

[vapid arch]

weakpoint, thrust, armor pen on daggers is 65% total

[ocean temple]

Weakpoint doesnt get used because of warlocks its cut throat invis, need to remove warlock 1st then we can discuss

[cosmic swan]

Or cap PDR at like 50-60%. The issues is not the dagger, it's that a tanky fighter with a bow can use it

[desert orchid]

do what they did to kris warlock

[gritty iron]

all the ideas sound solid ngl

[ocean temple]

Especially remove warlock.

[vapid arch]

a class shouldn't have the option to counter every other class at the same time, its pick and choose if you want to counter pdr or casters

[ocean temple]

Silence is 2 seconds. Warlock have the kit to abuse everyone. They need removing

[gritty iron]

exactly, rogues could vanish aswell no?

[tepid falcon]

or just heavy nerf dot damage. warlock is a pretty versitile class

[gritty iron]

make the game just 5 dudes with longsword locked in a room

[ocean temple]

😂😂😂

[cosmic swan]

That's Arena

[ocean temple]

Nah thats 5 warlocks and 1 cleric

[cosmic swan]

5 Warlock with a Longsword xD

[ocean temple]

And cleric buckler bouncing longswords off his eyebrow

[gritty iron]

nah bro arena is got rogues wizard lock hell no

[ocean temple]

If they made rogue not have the ability to landmine IE through invis, but gave them a decent disengage like the rangers dash back, then rogues wouldnt be so much of a landmine style of play.

Warlocks come in cast dot and if you get anywhere close longsword comes out and if you look menacing enough they phantomise whilst healing and killing you with dot to then rinse and repeat.

[gritty iron]

they have the thingy that goes back, never played rogue so tell me is it shite?

[vapid arch]

did they buff ambush or something, why are people suddenly going back to invis and not sticking to mosquito

[ocean temple]

It dont work its troll AF

[gritty iron]

god damn wodden mallet

[ocean temple]

Its the same speed as a and d away, which is alot easier wheras ranger is like an instant 3m back.

[onyx summit]

Rogue is still playable at low lobbies but extremely harder than the other class

[ocean temple]

Rogue is the most underwhelming class. Warlock is busted as its only counter was a silence from a rogue which got nerfed. Statistic wise cus the lobbies are all warlocks which are busted they nerfed their only counter. They fuck everyone else. Phantomise is busted.

[onyx summit]

I believe rangers chase needs a nerf , like they shouldn't see footprints if tou crouch

[vapid arch]

pretty sure panther druid shits on warlock

[onyx summit]

I believe you haven't played for a while , warlocks now are not that much , and the lobies are full of fighters

[ocean temple]

Rangers are in a good place. They get countered by barbs and fighters.

I have player recently I know that warlocks cream everybody and fighters are rife too. That being said druids dont shit on warlock they have too much kit and can phantomise and run into a module. No skill.

[vapid arch]

you know druids can move faster and go over terrain right? if a warlock pops phantomise and runs away the druid just sits on top of them
i think you're not very good at the game

[onyx summit]

I am rogue main with more than 2k hours i understand you about rogue .. its the weakest class and you need to play extremely good to be in the same page with the most of the classes . But warlocks are not that busted as you think they are . Im not saying beccause i am playing warlock or smt . I dont play warlock at all . I know that rogue needs an extremely buff and rework . Right now bard is a better rogue fighter with dagger is a better rogue even mage with dagger is a better rogue .

[desert orchid]

they didnt remove all spawns where u die in goblins I guess, just died while getting a drink when I started queuing

[vapid arch]

bro took too long and blamed the game

[desert orchid]

found the guy who never died while spawning in goblins

[vapid arch]

you're right i don't spend 5 minutes getting a drink while queuing

[desert orchid]

I was gone for 1-2 mins after pressing queue and I loaded in and died when I came back

[vapid arch]

you're right its entirely implausible that you spawned into the game normally and a mob aggro'd onto you and killed you while you were gone

[desert orchid]

i watched my screen recording and I was attacked in 4 seconds after loading in by bola and and sword goblin wtf

[vapid arch]

i wouldn't have died there if that was me

[desert orchid]

they didnt remove the bone pile spawn with the bola and sword goblin in the royal coffin room lol

[cosmic swan]

#report-a-bug

[desert orchid]

nice optimism but ranting in general at least has some devs chilling in here sometimes unlike the bot in report a bug. I reported a few small bugs months ago but nothings fixed so its probably a 1 in a few thousand chance anything gets fixed just like how often suggestions are accepted in the official site

[cosmic swan]

Well that's not general, and you don't really lose anything using the bot

[willow monolith]

Hey dudes, is there any convinient list of "valuable" items? Not only in terms of quests but also crafting.

[last marlin]

There is a guy who posts "Daily check if there is Medusa race" or smth, I'm new to F1.
Anyway I'd like to see one

[willow monolith]

medusa race sounds cool

[thin bear]

The cult is growing ever larger.

[last marlin]

Omg thats you?! 🥹👉🏿👈🏿

[vapid arch]

skin tone...5?

[willow monolith]

I wish there was map filter in quest log.

[gritty iron]

when you get in game it filters to the map you are thats something

[void wasp]

A gorgon?

[upper kraken]

when is next wipe?

[covert mango]

is jumping slowing you down just a little bit on the impact?
would just running be a little bit faster?

[lyric latch]

From my experience, a single jump while running does not change your speed as long as you continue your momentum

[river mountain]

Guys, what happened with the number of people? It feels like there are 5 - 10 times fewer people playing. I constantly see the same nicknames. Several times it happened that my trio was the only one on the map 🤔

[hard rock]

You a douchebag my guy

[river mountain]

Can you please respond constructively and to the point? If, of course, your IQ is more than 20 ☝️

[umbral arrow]

https://x.com/IronmaceGames/status/1849453925772001712

New IM post just dropped. Lobby skins are coming!!

[hard rock]

My IQ is 19

[river mountain]

That explains everything. No complaints. I wish you health and good luck 🤝

[tepid falcon]

what about weapon skin;(

[umbral arrow]

seems like a new torch skin

[vapid arch]

cthuluz has severe debilitations of his mental state

[tepid falcon]

longsword skin when are we getting it;(

[inner patio]

where is the long bridge in crypt?

[umbral arrow]

Crypt 2 - Upside left side

[inner patio]

thank you

[umbral arrow]

I just want a new cape skin 😦

[night folio]

I just want any motivation at all to play HR to climb ranks. Cause rn its just cheater fest with no AP gains

[flint dune]

this entire playerbase has turned into little rats that wait for third party, none of them have the balls to go in a fair fight. its absolutely disgusting, i'd rather go back to the old days with buff ball being overpowered, its a lesser evil

[kind forum]

^^^everyone used to brawl it out at least

[dusty gorge]

this game still shit?

[tepid falcon]

50/50

[dusty gorge]

played early wipe, didnt exite me enough to grind 2k more hours 🙂 feel like its just the same every wipe xd

[void wasp]

Solo games are 8/10 fighters with Crystal Sword and a bow so you decide

[weary pasture]

when the next wipe?

[dusty gorge]

gravy just had to make it popular ...

[cosmic swan]

Should be early december, but rumor are that it might be sooner this time, to apply the new big change SDF want

[weary pasture]

interesting, so excited

but isn't this update the big one or that's a week later?

[cosmic swan]

No one really know, there not very good at communication. As far as I know they never said a big hotfix or an early wipe is a thing. If you read SDF message in #📢announcements he said that change will be made through the futur hotfix, little by little to test things

[flint dune]

wtfffffffffffffffffff is this netcodeeeeeeeeeeeeeee why am i still playing this gameeeeeeeee

for the love of god, someone make an actual better version of this type of extraction game

[cosmic swan]

If you want a game like this one with better server it'll be by some bigger company and that mean the game will probably be way more friendly and less hardcore than it is now. The economic model will probably change too, with potential pay 2 win mechanic. I'm not sure that's what we want

[hard rock]

Quit whining bro

[flint dune]

right now its so bad though. the animations dont sync with the server side part of everything. it makes hardcore gameplay and kiting a pain

[cosmic swan]

And what I said above is not even sure, I don't count the number of game like Apex or R6 with shitty server.

[flint dune]

almost everyone looks like a rangehacker right now, or even dmg mod hacking when you see them hit your leg, and you watch the deathcam and they are hitting your head.

its a problem in todays gaming really..... all games are saving so much money on networking. its like a trend now. just look at what they use to "optimize" netcode.

bring back real servers and real netcode, instead of smoothing things out client side, giving them the false believe something normal is happening.

infact i might do a video at some point, where i will run two clients in 1 server just to showcase how ass it is

[cosmic swan]

I don't think that all their fault, surely they don't have the best server ever and that's understandable as they're a quite small company. Myself I never got any rubberbanding or major lag/desync issues. Try to look what you can improve on you side too.

[flint dune]

rubberbanding is not the problem though.

when you make a game where distance and animations are this crucial to winning a fight, we are talking about the small desync problems.

[cosmic swan]

Difference between deathcam and gameplay are totally normal, that's happen in almost every game. And yes it's a more general issues, there's very few game with decent server

[flint dune]

and making sure that the angle of the players center view and animation que are 100% perfectly aligned.

[dense kernel]

Seen this as well yolo. Not talking about death cam either.

[cosmic swan]

That could be really cool indeed

[cosmic swan]

Totally agree about that, but way bigger company than Ironmace, company who have the money to afford better server don't do it. So I'm not expecting much from IM there probably doing what they can

[flint dune]

if you scroll back enough through my chat history, could also be on my other account. but i used to spam the solution to their stutters 1 year ago. for weeks.

it was so blatently obvious what was causing it from knowing the new unreal engine networking from personal experience using it.

[cosmic swan]

Could you resend it? At least summarized?

[strong ember]

its because fights take so long soo you can just wait for third party

[flint dune]

it had to do with the early unreal 5 physics frequency the physics would run offset from the general game frame rate and that caused that exact type of stutter you would get, so i knew it was not server side. cause rubberbanding feels more like the word says where you shoot back, because you have physics on the player model and the server resends your correct/wrong position it shoots back like a rubberband feeling.

the jitter is more of a not in sync framerate issue.

the problem with this game is that they do not have highest priority on the players direction and the que of the animation, which is why you have 10000000 clips of people claiming rangehack, when in fact its terrible coding.

[dense kernel]

No it's just opportunistic full loot pvp mentality. Why fight fair when you can swoop in for the kill as third party.

[flint dune]

with this little people in a lobby and this little physics happening, its an absolute emberassment that animations and character models are not lining up.

the attacks dont even have any type of extra physics or direction modifiers, so its the tiniest amount of information ever.

anyways rant over.... sorry.... just getting frustrated with it. i know they can do better.

[kind forum]

new patch tmrw let’s pray

[cosmic swan]

I guess you already made a ticket about that?

[flint dune]

prolly better than ranting here yes

[hard rock]

Patch my as s hole pls

@flint dune any tips for raising IQs

[strong ember]

no, it was not a problem with old gear (like high damage, less hp playstyle)

[flint dune]

you keep trying till you get it, the longer it takes you the more satisfying the end result.

[tidal plover]

It’s like rust grubbing, except the nakeds fight eachother and the full metal aks third party them to get there rocks

[strong ember]

but it appears in every game where you can leave with loot. what do you want ? soo lets make this game like only 25 gs lobby batttle royale

[flint dune]

Player variable (list of people that dealt damage inside view range)
Player Dies(people that did damage can loot body) - people who did not cannot loot
Player that did damage dies(Remove from all body lists)
That means that the player who dealt damage if he is dead then everyone is free to loot the body

Tada.. problem solved. now ratting has zero use, and it makes people engage in fights more.

with the added plus of Creating a positive feedback loop and healthy playerbase.

[strong ember]

it changes nothing, still when you kill someone there will be another ppl jumping on you as thisrd party and get your loot and the other one

[cosmic swan]

That solve ratting but not Third party. It might even increase it does it?

[flint dune]

I'm solving the ratting problem. not third party.

[trim kettle]

that happens on every game though third party is a way of life

[flint dune]

i can tell you a third party solution if you want. its not even original. you can simply look at any other BR type game.

Third party solution:
You kill a player, player soul hovers over body and stays there for (limited time)
You can in the case of third party walk up to your kill and hold E for 4-5 seconds and it will reset your HP and spells.

Now this needs some testing and refining to make sure it wont give a too much of an edge into the actual fight currently happening

Perhaps by only making these soul orbs accessable if all enemies of that team are dead or far enough away from those friendly teammates bodies.

but the idea of a game where you invest heavy amounts of time into a set to fight with, to have to run away and sit down stationary at a campfire in order to reset while there is also PVE, is ludacris, and im baffled its still like this.

nobody enjoys third parties, so it should not be incentivized simple as that.

and if there is the case where it does happen (since you share a dungeon with another team) you should be able to absorb souls like i said above so that you are rewarded for actually killing a team.

[past garnet]

If I get hit by the roar from cave troll how do I dodge the next attack? He usually does a low sweep from left to right and seems impossible to run out of

[flint dune]

he has a low and high swing (most often it is the low one i think)

low swing you can jump crouch
high swing you can crouch

theres also the trick where you look to side and strafe slowly and it makes him stop (but i don't know the full execution of this trick yet)

[cosmic swan]

You don't, If you'r too close when he roar you have a 50/50 survival chance. If you'r too far he'll rush you and same 50/50. But there is a sweet spot where he's close enough not to rush you and you are far enough to just walk back a bit and avoid the hit

[vapid arch]

not really something you can stop without making some hard fix mechanics that'll probably also be detrimental

[flint dune]

yeah it needs a lot of testing, perhaps they can use the test server as intended

[weary pasture]

guys, vigor max health&bonus legendary forest hood... if it was a plate

does it lose all its worth because its forest hood tho? i mean maybe druid tank

[uncut pagoda]

So a Bard fighting the banshee in the next tile over crashed game so hard I had to restart my computer

[rocky lodge]

can anyone tell me how to fix stuttering because optimization is trash

[weary pasture]

Must've been an epic battle to a crashing degree

[cosmic swan]

Can try this #suggestion-discussion message

[serene mesa]

when wipe? does anyone have an estimate?

[cosmic swan]

Should be early december. But rumor say that it could be sooner to release some of the change SDF want

[serene mesa]

thank you

[hard rock]

But honestly I personally would like to see Dark and Darker to expand in both its PvE and PvP aspects, because both of them do have alot of Potential for the Game, if PvP for example wouldnt count statbonuses from higher tier weapons and not count random statrolls either it would actually be possible to balance PvP, however this would be detrimental for the Games PvE aspect since it makes looting almost irrelevant.
So an Idea for example would be if the Default Gameplay would be based on cooperative gameplay, the PvP however would work pretty well on a base where you would have seperate queues similar to high roller, except that you would only be able to use Squire Gear and nothing else, which would be a big Improvement due to how little different pieces of Gear now affect your Performance, plus it would allow classes and different other stats to actually be balanced properly since you dont have to work with large amounts of bonus stats from Gear anymore.
The main Problem with the Game as it is right now is that it is centered around PvP (due to it always beeing directly or indirectly present), however the aspects that come with dungeon crawling such as looting new gear are contradictive which gradually worsens the Quality of the Games PvP, and without some adjustments it will simply fail because you either have new players refusing to stick around long enough, or more experienced players not enjoying it for as long as they could because the long term aspects of running higher gearscores come with the immense amount of balancing issues

[strong ember]

trust me if there will be no item grades and no benefits from looting ppl will quit this game

[hard rock]

The issue is that here it is encouraged in multiple ways, and the playerbase has a high percentage of people on the spectrum who will literally be toxic the whole time they play because thats what they got used to and they wont change, but try to conform others to their toxic view. I remember when we could have 6 people rushing the boss in inferno to kill it and having a good time. Nowadays your own teammates will damage you so you die to something and they take the shit you would've gotten.

[weary pasture]

Pvp expands with pve, just a generator will do a favor for both

[wild finch]

they need to nerf the mobs like if one noticed u it will follow u untill the end of the map they should make it that it cant go more than a specific didtant

[hard rock]

Nice bait

[weary pasture]

No really i sometimes enjoy pve even after killing them thousands of time, imagine i have a good 1 minute of pure killing and looting without a flying chicken interrupting or a naked dude

It would be hella fun, so map generator would be awesome but too complicated for devs ig

[cosmic swan]

I'm not trying to be rude but you're probably new to the game. PvE isn't the problem when you've played a bit and learned how they move/attack. Some would say PvE is pretty boring and too easy but there is a learning curve. Keep trying and mobs won't be that much of a problem anymore. Some youtube video can help you too to learn how to dodge almost every mobs

[wild finch]

im saying that i want to skip them and look for people to pvp

[desert orchid]

Why does a fighter have the stinkiest legendary loot u could vendor instantly but grimmies ontop 😭

[wild finch]

killing them is easy but skiping them will make them follow u until death

[cosmic swan]

I think what could be really cool is random monster spawn, with rule of course like you can't have any mobs on any map or room full of Wraith but right now more than learning mobs we also know how to cross every room really fast because monster are always the same at the same place. If that was random you wouldn't be able to rush that fast through the map

[weary pasture]

Thats the main reason why we want that

Oh well devs have plenty of time to learn hope for the best

[cosmic swan]

Yeah but people often ask for random module placement but that won't change anything if monster in them are still the same, we'll cross room as fast as before

[weary pasture]

More modules is always good, not sure about random because that will suck for quests.

But just random placement thing will do the job, can't think of an example because no game does what dnd do

[cosmic swan]

You mean different variation of the same map? Like we used to have for Crypt?

[weary pasture]

Yep

We still have 2 now, why "used to have"

[cosmic swan]

We used to have 6 different layout of Crypt. There's a lot of module that exist but are not used right now

Like 2 wipe ago

[drowsy nexus]

How much health does the giant in frost mountain have? Headshotted him with the beginner bow like ten times

[desert orchid]

around 25 to 35 arrows I guess to the head

[cosmic swan]

815/1015/1215 Normal, Red, Nightmare. With 15% res to projectile

[sudden mural]

just got this cool cape too bad I'm a coward who will never wear it in a dungeon

[sudden mural]

Phantsy Star Online 2 has random maps that are made of modules

[ripe wigeon]

explosion is just that insane?

[vapid arch]

not really

[solemn shore]

Didn’t they nerf it a couple patches ago

[ripe wigeon]

hit scan 28 magic damage u can stick on someone? xd

[vapid arch]

wait till you see this crazy ability called curse of pain

[ripe wigeon]

mmm u got a point

[vapid arch]

i have every point

[drowsy nexus]

Ohhhh

[solemn shore]

Is it a good time to panic sell my grimmies because they’re gonna remove random rolls

[honest oriole]

Yes sell your entire stash. They’re removing all gear

[stray heart]

anyone have a good wizard solo hr build

[drowsy nexus]

Why am I levelling up much slower on a new character than my first one

[cosmic swan]

You shouldn't, maybe you just manage to extract more with your first character that's what give you most of the XP

[astral oak]

As you level it gets harder to level up, so going from level 100 to 101 is harder than going from 1 to 2

[indigo ginkgo]

The Test Server has silver and gold currency/collectible, must be for some Halloween event!

[tepid falcon]

does the test have upcoming patches?

[sudden mural]

how is test server play compared to regular play? I'm one of those guys who likes playing with default gear and hoards all my actual good stuff

[drowsy nexus]

Like literally getting from 1-10 on my first character felt easier than my 2nd

[astral oak]

Oh

[thin bear]

Day 22 Asking Ironmace to add a playable Gorgone/Medusa race skin.

[drowsy nexus]

Why didn’t the exit that looks like a square activate

[echo sparrow]

the drawbridge? you have to turn the wheel

[tepid falcon]

only 18k players on today cuz the devs delay the update kinda blue balling people

[drowsy nexus]

I didn’t know, specially when there were 5 monsters that entered when I dropped down

[echo sparrow]

can you show me which module

[drowsy nexus]

What module

Scale of 1-10, how worth it is legendary status, and are there legitimate ways to make it cheaper

[strange girder]

Please change the circles that spawn in lich to different colors. I am red/green color blind and cannot see the difference between blue and purple. Please

[zealous vapor]

How do we fix the whole players logging in and hitting us to only make them kill them and we get a penalty?

[tepid falcon]

HUH?

[vapid arch]

if you're planning on playing the game for awhile then yeah if not then no

[zealous vapor]

Just walked in a threes, warlock hits both of us, we heal and he only does it again and blocking our way out. we have no choice but to kill him so we can move on. Just ruins our experience, literally

[vapid arch]

lol

[zealous vapor]

Play High roller, got it 😄

[thorn rune]

I’m sorry you get penalized for this, it’s hilarious reading

[zealous vapor]

haha, Its just toxic like thank god it was under 25 😛

[distant bay]

we need more emote slots

[steel sun]

is rogue good class rigth now'?

[sleek lark]

rogues playable for sure i wouldnt call it good when bard exists and invis is still nerfed this bad

[karmic comet]

Please don't ruin the game with this next patch its in a good spot rn

[subtle heart]

Is Druid a bad duo with ranger? I feel like it’s hard to synergize with ranger as it feels like every ranger wants every door open so they can kite and I want every door closed so I can eat jump and escape. Also during fights Druid has no range so it’s only close combat and ranger is ranged so in a 2v2 fight it seems like they will just 2v1 me or the ranger and we can’t just hold hands because then one of us is useless, ranger up close or Druid at range.

[blissful stirrup]

bard wizard and cleric need nerfs

[thin bear]

Facts

[lavish shell]

Anyone know if the new lobby skin will be a quest reward, store item or just automatically applied for the event?

[obsidian beacon]

Weird how they nerfed rondel dagger on fighter and now you see a bunch of cs sword fighters

[sinful furnace]

is there any skins in the game that is a quest reward? or do you have to buy all of them

[obsidian beacon]

male cat person

[blissful stirrup]

goblin merchant quests give you a skin

[errant stirrup]

PDR fighter is fn broken

[clear hound]

didnt play since last season how is the game

[vapid arch]

ass

[vapid dagger]

Trash ass game

[charred oasis]

why my time left to enter the dungeon is different to my partner? while i have 5 min, he starts it with the counter on 3...

[swift grove]

IM check his files. Wouldn't it be hilarious if homie's injected code was interfering with his map rotation and he just accidentally self-snitched? He said he already sync'd the system clock. Sus

[charred oasis]

?

[hasty badge]

Why do i get Tavern is not working please restart the game everytime i open the game?

[thick veldt]

does anyone know how long it takes for goblin merchant to give you gear back? and also do you get your gear back if you fall into the void in ice caves? had a lil mishap w a harpy

[sand zenith]

You don’t sorry

[thick veldt]

ahh damn, thanks

[obsidian beacon]

Apparently even moreso if you build will cause it extends the duration of second wind but keeps the healing rate the same

[tired sail]

Bro i swear my solos is just filled infinitly with freaking crystal sword spamming PDR fighters

[unborn cape]

do i need any key to open double stone door in inferno?

[swift grove]

in normals, no. In HR, yes. One of the stone doors is unlocked in HR, but the door beyond the bridge requires a skull key to open

[main phoenix]

thats when u play warlock or wizard with 320 ms

im a ranger main and i can confirm solos are pretty much impossible with this crystal sword pdr meta

[sand zenith]

It’s a meme build lol

[bronze scarab]

Not if you are in norms. But if you are in high roller then yes

[bitter creek]

When will they add fishing

[sterile pond]

what do we thing a ring of quickness w 5 armor rating, 1 phy dam reducation, 1 magical power, and 1.7 debuff duration is worth

[vapid arch]

whatever double pdr is worth on legendary quickness

[clear hound]

SO GAME BAD AY

[jolly sun]

Lmao same here made me use reckless attack on barb

[wild elm]

i will never never u7nderstand teaming im QUEUING SOLO why do i get ju7mp by 3 ppl teaming and trash talking as a grou7p in a solo match why is teaming a thing...

[opaque stratus]

Any way to see how long you're VoiP banned, why, or appeal? My mic stopped working in game but works everywhere else. Maybe its a bug that someone knows how to fix?

[tired sail]

there is a button in game that turns of VOIP completly, mabye you accidentally enabled it

[opaque stratus]

Nah ive spammed my toggle keys for on/off and prox/party. tried to manually turn it on and off. reinstalled the game. ect. I can hear others but only talk via text

[tawny cape]

wenn is the next wipe?

[latent cape]

can we spread the word, this game dies 100% if they change random rolled loot to shards

[vestal barn]

General chat has better looking people than game discussion

[edgy fossil]

been playing with a friend for the past few months, dont understand the game at all except for spawn in, loot chests, kill monsters, leave, would anyone like to be a fabulous guide on how we actually get further into this game?

[subtle heart]

You continuously remove the power fantasy from DaD, it’s no longer the same game for me. Squishing gear over and over again is not the answer. This game took off and blew up when gear was the most OP and since then all you devs have done is squish and squish and squish gear you may as well give us dummy helmets and sticks with foam ends on them to fight each other with.

[sly furnace]

Power creep is bad for games. This is something that the gaming world has learned very well over the past 20 years.

This games worst periods were when gear was too strong, and the power balance between ungeared, and highly geared players was too wide.

[astral meteor]

Yo is blood sap short sword any valuable ?

[woven kiln]

Check the market homie. What’re the rolls on it?

[native pine]

is arenas up

[bitter flare]

a little over 3 hours left

[astral meteor]

In the dungeon rn, camping with it ^^

max health bonous, magical power, memo capacity

[woven kiln]

Gotchu. If it’s good rolls it could be worth a bit, but average rolls are relatively cheap from memory. I’ve sold one with good rolls for a couple hundred for reference

[astral meteor]

Thx !

[woven kiln]

My guess is 150-200g for it

[bitter flare]

sometimes people in this game are losers man. whole lobby but me was rouges all sitting and waiting for me to kill cyclops then they all bum rushed and killed me. i got double move speed rolls on lightfoot and troll hide lost out on like 5k cause of that bs

[desert orchid]

I had to fight 3 rogues in the same rat module and the 3rd one got me because I didnt think a 3rd rogue would come and the steps I heard were him just 10 stepping in my face

[bitter flare]

this game is sometimes my least favourite thing ever

[desert orchid]

always expect another rogue

[violet bluff]

Do we know the HR rewards yet

[desert orchid]

u need green on all for sure

[vapid arch]

lol get shit on

[bitter flare]

you def play like one of those rouges

[vapid arch]

no i kill everyone in the lobby then kill the boss

[bitter flare]

and im supposed to do that how? like i said they are all hiding

[dusty fjord]

so i broke a barrel in center room of crypts with the treasure pile and got this. Is it an easter egg or something else? Its a small anvil. Cant post screen shot

[vapid arch]

step 1 don't bum rush the boss then be surprised that you get bum rushed

[bitter flare]

look at what you are reading before you say smth stupid i didnt bum rush. never once did i say that

[vapid arch]

if you're doing the boss before at least half the lobby is dead either you're doing the boss as soon as you spawn in or you're in a giga rat/teamer lobby and you should just leave

[bitter flare]

i never rushed the boss i saw noone for 7 min then i decided to fight it only for every single rouge to be hiding in the boss room in the dark

[vapid arch]

now THAT'S funny

idk should've just done troll

[warm crane]

im tired of suffering, i need a build/class that i can stomp anyone, any recommendations?

[vapid arch]

if that happened to me i wouldn't be crying in discord i'd be too busy laughing

[warm crane]

got 700h in the game, most classes cant make a single mistake its so annoying, is crystal sword fighter the meta thing atm or is there another?

[bitter flare]

bro are you ok? like why you gotta come here and act all high and mighty talking shit to others?

[vapid arch]

pdr crystal sword survival bow fighter is really strong and brainless

[warm crane]

sounds good, i need something brainless and that i can make mistakes when im not 100% focused thanks

[vapid arch]

because its funny
why are you taking the game so seriously when outrageously silly shit like that happens

[bitter flare]

i never said i was taking it seriously i just said its a pretty stupid thing to happen didnt say it wasnt funny but under the impression that i was about to walk away with a load of money i was a little upset the whole lobby teamed on me. pretty fair to think that no?

[vapid arch]

that's a whole lot of yapping bro, if you weren't upset you wouldn't be this invested
just go next

[bitter flare]

mb forgot i was speaking to a child

[eternal helm]

what's the best luck value for epic armor hunting on normals

[woven kiln]

Max luck roll is 50

[gleaming remnant]

Do you gain AP from items you give to the expressman? Such as armor or trinkets

[woven kiln]

I don’t believe so. Just what you extract with in your inventory

[gleaming remnant]

Alright ty

[plucky helm]

What do you guys think they can do to get player count back up right now it’s pretty bad imo if they added a lobby you can load into to test dmg talk to people and maybe even have a little trade booth it might bring some people back

[vapid arch]

make the game not shit

[compact kiln]

ran into some warlock teamers in the goblin caves 😢 it was normals so I guess its okay

[plucky helm]

Valid

[sly furnace]

Not having a lobby to test your build is terrible to be honest. I really miss the pre-game lobbies.

[lavish ivy]

Same, it was alot more fun to just interact with other people before you were in a lobby, and obv the dummies

[acoustic cairn]

Considering they banned teaming in hr, they could maybe bring back pre game lobbies? Ive been on both ends of people teaming to take down the people in turbo bis

[runic turtle]

both ends? yikes dirty rat

[swift grove]

keep banned cheaters banned. overhaul the "ranked" grind system to either actually require player skill or get rid of it. add a pve mode, even if its just a dumbed-down 3x3 variant of an existing map (cough 3x3 GC) so NEW players can experience the game without getting ran down, improve the player reporting system ingame to include teammates for toxic communications, teamkilling or suspected cheating. and keep banned cheaters banned.

[runic turtle]

i agree with the ranked part, its kinda annoying ppl use AP as a scale of skill when its just how much time you have to grind it. doesnt really mean anything skill wise

[grim oxide]

The AP system is just a disguised battle pass that encourages trash ratty gameplay

[sly furnace]

Everyone has teamed before intentionally or not. 3 way fights usually end up with 2 people killing 1, and then the other 2 fight.

[runic turtle]

thats third party not teaming. two different things

[subtle heart]

someone finally said the truth!

[runic turtle]

teaming would be they would just go their sepreate ways after and not kill each other

[sly furnace]

They often end up looking very similar.

[ember cliff]

does anyone have recommendations on what classes to pick for a beginner duo?

[sly furnace]

like sure if they kill eachother afterward it's not teaming. but you've never been in a situation where you see someone, yall both do the crouch spam quick. go your separate ways. a few minutes later you see that same dude getting chased down a by a Barb.... you never stepped in?

[swift grove]

fighter+cleric. good offense and defense with fighter, and good defense+sustain with the cleric. weak to heavy magic dmg or range kite opponents but PVE is almost trivial

[sullen ferry]

if anyones looking for a party join me on trio party 100

[runic turtle]

by step in you mean kill them? yea? but im not really friendly anyway. but i would kill both. that still isnt teaming. teaming is very intentional. if i want to avoid combat i just run away from the area. you cant accidentally team.

[sly furnace]

okay pre-teaming is not cool. like trying to queue snipe and get in the same lobby is super not cool. But i have asbolutly teamed one super aggressive players with the help of less aggressive players.

If we all know this dude is running through the lobby, 1 by 1... why not stop him with help before he eventually catches you alone?

[runic turtle]

yea what u are describing is team on purpose tho. you dont accidentally group up and kill one person lol. like if someone says they dont want to fight i usually leave them alone, if i see someone try to kill them i just let it happen. thats not teaming.

[sly furnace]

no meeting someone in the dungeon, and deciding there, that you are going to fight another target isn't Pre-teaming. that's just a shaky temporary alliance.

[runic turtle]

that is teaming

pre teaming and teaming are different. pre teaming isnt allowed anyway

[sly furnace]

teaming is a shaky temporary alliance. I've also been the one to break that alliance.

[runic turtle]

yea but thats not something you do on accident. its purposely teaming

teaming is allowed in normals anyway. but thats bannable in HR what ur describing

[sly furnace]

i mean sure i guess. but i've accidentally 2v1 before.

[grim wing]

thats is just to dont ban free accounts and is WRONG. would u like being ram,med in normals by 8 guys?

[runic turtle]

huh

[runic turtle]

i mean no? but its allowed in normals to team. its not against the rules

[grim wing]

is allowed cause teh game is going down in termns of amount of players

[sly furnace]

Making it bannable was a band-aid anyways. there's actual steps they can take to curb it. play kills should be worth more EXP and AP. player Soul hearts should be collectible and used for something, or provide an extraction bonus. You need to incentivize killing other players.

[grim wing]

guys the solution is izi WHEN YOU ARE FLAGGED SECRELTY AS a TEAMER THEN YOU SHOULD BE PLACED IN A DIFFERNT POOL OF MATCHMAKING. THIS POOL SHOULD CONTAIN ONLY TEAMERS AND CHETERES AND NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER POOL EVEN IF THIS RESULTS AS A LONG WAIT FOR THEM

[sly furnace]

unfortunately, that would destroy everyone's ability to find a lobby. There are way more cheaters in online games than anyone actually cares to admit.

[grim wing]

this is the solution... all needs to be done in a secret way.

[runic turtle]

2v1 and you still fight the other person isnt teaming thats just third party.( in case of 2v1 third party you should just run. if they BOTH chase you without hitting eachother thats 100% teaming on purpose cause they should just fight each other when that happens. 2v1 and you both leave after or stay with each other is teaming.

[icy pond]

its pretty simple if you both help kill a guy your next step better be to fight over the loot, or else im potentially clipping the encounter.

"teaming" in fights is very big gray area and is easy to skirt, but two ppl killing one and sharing the loot, or working so hard to chase one down, just to let the other guy take everything and extract, is just bad for the game.

nobody ever wants to be that 3rd person being hunted down and looted by teamers. now you've crossed from being "friendly" to just using social status aggressively against whomever isn't part of your "friendly" group. (often just because they spawn further away and arrived later)

even boss teaming is a huge gray area. i show up to "your boss (congrats, you spawned closer)" and you and your boss buddies murder me for it, that's not really good behavior either.

its always strange to watch some timmy let the pro in the room loot epics and a troll pelt and just walk out, because they are "friends" and "they were here first so im going to help them boss", while having just aggressively disallowed other solos from getting their fair chance at the same loot.

often they'll give the timmy some potions or let them loot the bodies, whatever, for their truble -- as they themselves walk out of the dungeon thousands of gold wealthier 😆 very good and friendly behavior indeed.

[sand zenith]

Or that one tarcov video has made you think that there are lol.

[sly furnace]

it's not just that one Tarkov video, it's just the reality of online games. The industry has been dumbing BILLIONS of dollars into combating this issue. There's a reason it costs so damn much, it's because of how prevelant it is.

[sand zenith]

I just don’t see it, I’ve played two years of this game and have hit maybe one confirmed cheater.

[sly furnace]

Some of the most popular games can't even get a handle on the issue, because of how common it is.

[sly furnace]

I mean me too i guess. I can't really think of any time where i was like forsure that dude was cheating.

[runic turtle]

tbh i dont even think its a grey area. everything you describing is 100% teaming. to avoid teaming you just straight up leave the area and go seperate ways. forming any little war band and just chilling with eachother looting is 100% teaming

[sand zenith]

Don’t get my wrong I’m not in denial of the issue either! People cheat, I just don’t think it’s as prevalent as the “wiggle” video makes it out to be across gaming.

[sly furnace]

I guess it depends on the game. Im sure some games there's more incentive to cheat than others.

[runic turtle]

cheating is only bad in OCE/china servers. finding an actual cheater is pretty rare for NA. lots of new players assume being found in the dark =cheats or being spawn rushed =cheats.

[sly furnace]

Naa screw that. dude turns a corner while bandaging after i heard him take 2 arrows... lol im killing him. If his pursuer hits a crouch spam, or hops on voip for a quick parlay... well then the dungeon goes how it goes.

[runic turtle]

i mean thats fine in normals but thats straight up teaming lol. potential to get banned in HR. i mean im not anti teaming but teaming isnt very accidental. its purposely done

[median sand]

Just make it separate pools for hackers and teamers like one for each

[sly furnace]

again you're using the word accident. it's wasn't an accident, but neither was it really intentional. i would have preffered to not bump into a dude running away from another dude. but here we are, and i have a decision to make. Was it my intention to go into the dungeon a look for someone to team up with? not really.

Wait actually I have a perfect video.

[median sand]

Maybe this should be an April fools update

[sly furnace]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/ijbiZtY9tnPtLdrYk?invite=cr-MSxibHIsMjA3Mzg5MzMyLA

[runic turtle]

talking it out and letting him live and not fighting is definitely intentional

[sly furnace]

It's about whether you intended to be in that situation in the first place that differentiates it my mind.

[hoary marsh]

Known teamers in HR should be given the deadlock cheater treatment

[median sand]

Just make it separate pools for hackers and teamers like one for each
It would be funny

[grim wing]

WHEN YOU ARE FLAGGED SECRELTY AS a TEAMER THEN YOU SHOULD BE PLACED IN A DIFFERNT POOL OF MATCHMAKING. THIS POOL SHOULD CONTAIN ONLY TEAMERS AND CHETERES AND NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER POOL EVEN IF THIS RESULTS AS A LONG WAIT FOR THEM

[runic turtle]

nah, that vid shows teaming to kill teamers lmao. thats still teaming. you coulda just killed that dude at the start. youre also in normals where teaming is completely fine lol. thats 100% intended you cant do that on accident

[median sand]

No need for caps and split teamers and cheaters but yes

[grim wing]

the caps shows my anger on those

[sly furnace]

I was trying to kill him at first. then he made me an offer. this is fine, i think it should be fine in HR too (i get that its currently bannable tho.) but this kind of shit is actually fun. it makes dungeons dynamic.

[grim wing]

and also make the game even more toxic

[runic turtle]

nah, i think its fine with teaming in norms and no teaming in HR. HR teaming is just cringe

[astral oak]

Teaming in HR is dumb

[sly furnace]

Im not too mad about it. you can see in the video im not too fond of teaming in general (I only agreed to team to fight other teamers) im a pretty certified on-sight smoke demon to be honest.

[runic turtle]

its fine in norms cause theres no ranked system. teaming in HR gives an advantage in that aspect.

[grim wing]

teaming on HR makes R*M'T possible they need a separetd pool apart from us

[sly furnace]

Yeah, i agree the incentive to team in HR is way too high.

[urban lava]

Its cringe af but if it wasnt bannable it would be so worth

[ember cliff]

what are the inventory slots to the right of the helmet, to the right of the chestplate, and to the left and right of the pants?

[barren ingot]

They don’t ban people in Hr for teaming anyway. Send in proof and everything, clear as daylight and no ban

[sly furnace]

again it needs to be not worth it. Soul hearts need to be collectible or, maybe you get more AP depending on how many people in the lobby stayed alive. Right like if 10 people are in the lobby, and only 5 extract, you should get a bonus for being 1 of 5 extracts. if you're the only person to extract, even bigger bonus... not there's an incentive to not leave any player alive. there's an incentive for you to want to kill on sight

[median sand]

Necklace cloak and rings respectively

[sly furnace]

Jewelry and cloak

[urban lava]

Soul hearts being collectable would be really good... I honestly think when you kill someone you should gain atleast a % of the AP they gained if not all. Because you dont get AP when you die anyways

[sly furnace]

even better would be you have to turn in the soul heart somewhere, maybe even the Altar to unlock the AP they collected. This would incentivize collecting hearts, and also create new points of interest

[vapid arch]

how's that gonna work for duos and trios, is a team that's unfortunate enough to have someone die just not allowed back into the game with a res?

[urban lava]

Also 3rd parties make no one want to fight in HR... I had a game (most games) where we fight one team and get insta-pushed and ordont fight anyone because no one will commit

[sly furnace]

Protect the soul heart, don't let enemies take your allies body

[vapid arch]

easier said than done when you can get fulled stripped in 3 seconds after dying

[sly furnace]

dont die

[urban lava]

They could just add a CD on taking hearts like they had that shit slow loot mech but for just the heart, Be kinda weird though

[vapid arch]

right but your idea just means any team that does have someone die just has to sit in a corner and wait for blues to go next, if anything it's going to incentivise more ratting and third partying

[sly furnace]

Or like i said you need to bring the heart to the altar and offer it, that means you can get intercepted by the teamates of the person heart you have.

[urban lava]

Also why is this discord set up so shit? They just completely disincentives people talking anywhere with this 25 second CD

[runic turtle]

cause kids like to spam

[vapid arch]

in a 2v3 or worse scenario? if they lost the 3v3 what makes you think they're going to have success after someone dies

[urban lava]

Yea they love to spam in general (copypastas) but I dont see that in here like it is in general

[sly furnace]

you can't be against ratting, and 3-rd partying at the same time. more ratting = less 3rd partying.

[vapid arch]

i don't think you understand that people can rat around the map and then third party

[sly furnace]

Ratting =/ being sneaky. Ratting is being sneaky with the intention of avoid other players at all cost.

[astral oak]

Just admit ur idea wouldn’t work lol

[sly furnace]

you can also be sneaky with the intention of ambushing

[vapid arch]

yeah, you can avoid players and then engage when its most advantageous for you
IE ratting then third partying

[sly furnace]

can you explain why that's something that should be discouraged?

[urban lava]

Because it leads to people never fighting in fear of a third party

[vapid arch]

because it incentivises a boring gameplay loop where no one actually does anything

[sly furnace]

are teams and players supposed to run around announcing themselves as targets to others?

[whole raven]

is there a mission for perfect (purple) riches? Or only the basic ones and then legendary?

[north cedar]

Isn't that what arena is for?

[vapid arch]

no but they're also not suppose to run around the map avoiding people and only engage when they're guaranteed a kill, otherwise there's no point in playing the game

[urban lava]

No but thats the problem, its like a guarentee that they get 3rd party'd so why even fight if your just gonna die?

[vapid arch]

@sly furnace if you think ratting is so fun and engaging go play hunt showdown and get into 5 star lobbies then tell me how much fun you have, that game seems right up your alley

[urban lava]

Iron mace cant even do anything the only counter to that is faster reset time, less TTK (kinda) and or bigger maps

[sly furnace]

ummmm no that's literally why i play the game. I avoid fights i think i will lose, and pursue with great violence when i think i will win

[north cedar]

Hunt showdown is a great game.

[vapid arch]

hunt is great game, its just boring when people sit in bushes and don't do anything
just like this game can be

[urban lava]

Any game with loss of loot=crazy amounts of rats (tarkov)

[sly furnace]

look i understand what you're saying about it being boring when nobody wants to do anything because of the potential of another team waiting to mop up before you've recovered. I play this game too you know. all been on the reciveing end of teaming and 3rd partying.

[vapid arch]

so you sit in corners and wait and indeterminable amount of time until you're guaranteed to kill someone and you find that a fun use of your free time?
did you enjoy rogue when creep made no noise by any chance?

[urban lava]

creep rogue 😡

[sly furnace]

You know i didn't say any of that right? You're just making assumptions.

[vapid arch]

i can draw educated conclusions by the way that you think this game should be played

[sly furnace]

I actually don't really play Rogue. just game the class a proper try a few days ago acutally. only lvl 40, and it was the first time i acutally leveled him

[urban lava]

what do you main? fighter?

[sly furnace]

apparently not. Because you're conclusions were inaccurate.

I main Wizzy.

[urban lava]

Wizard chad smh

[sly furnace]

THis wipe been having a lot of fun with Platelock tho, lvl 155