game-discussion

[hasty gull]

For me it seems like I’m getting 1 to two hit by a long sword no matter what. So I might take it off and add the 10% will

[cosmic swan]

Actually no, maybe on Demon build. If you don't play spell at all, like Demon + Blow of corruption

[hasty gull]

So what should I replace shadow touch with

[abstract spire]

what you got rn

[cosmic swan]

+10 will, extend curse, vampirism Warlock have a lot of good perk

[hasty gull]

I’m running torture curse extend vamp and 10% will after changing shadow

[abstract spire]

Vampirism , Torture Mastery , Malice - must have
Dark Enhancement if you run Bolt of Darkness as additional damage output
or just Curse Mastery probably ?

[tidal lintel]

is ranger and bard a good combo

[vestal silo]

i really wish we could sort items in market for the roll that we have selected. For some reason we can only sort for price

[oak jewel]

Im trying to decide between a barb and a fighter.

Can someone please give me some info on both?

[abstract spire]

Fighter - most perks are for defense , making him very tanky , can use every weapon with Weapon Mastery perk
Barb - high health pool , healing potion upgrade perk , can break doors and crates making him loot faster , can lower enemies damage and movespeed by himself via skills

[vestal silo]

fighter is able reach higher levels of armor rating and therefore physical effective health. Barb is able to reach higher levels of maximum health and lessa ble to achieve the same levels of armor. Barb has more damage innate. Barb is more of a bruiser and fighter is more of a tank. This of course also depends on the build you go for. Barb has no option for range weapons. He can only use throwing axes. Fighter has access to crosswbows innately, but can also grab a perk to enable him to use any bow in the game. So fighter has more ranged capabilites.

[cosmic swan]

Barb is High damage, good tank. Need a lot of gear to be fast or sacrifice the tankyness. No real ranged option. Really good skill and perk.

Fighter is really versatile, can go fast, high attack speed rogue like, or full plate really tanky. Have ranged option. Really good skill and perk too

[abstract spire]

ngl the part about good perks on fighter is not really , most of them involve staying in defensive stance via shield , i do agree that swift and weapon mastery is insanely good also a dual wield combo being able to rogue-like style but most of them are just for shielding

[oak jewel]

Since I cant send three seperate messages.

@cosmic swan
@vestal silo
@abstract spire
Thank all three of you for such detailed answers on such short notice. I really appreciate it!

[cosmic swan]

Well sword mastery, both dual welding, swift, weapon mastery. And the shield perk are good the probleme is that shield suck xD

[abstract spire]

i think the only viable option for fighter is
weapon mastery + swift + dual wield + combo attack

allowing to make a tanky rogue-like character

[oak jewel]

For me it's mostly a toss up between

-Fighter
Being able to be versatile
Slayer dual hand seems cool
Ranged capabilities (though throwing axes exist)
And innate healing/sprint

• Barbarian
  Being able to smash objects
  Innately higher damage
  Innate health pool

[lethal rock]

yo does anyone know how to do the interact with traps quest? do i really have to buy 12 disarming kits?

[cosmic swan]

Yes. Find/buy/craft (with iron ingot) the disarming trap kit

[lethal rock]

oh shit you're so right

[cosmic swan]

[abstract spire]

so the only thing that carry from character to character for f2p is Customize tab and Shop tab ?

[karmic moss]

hey where is the lever located in the ice caverns and the bottom left of the map (maze) i cant find it

[drowsy iris]

What the...casting weapons don't retroactively receive the resistance-penetration buff? That sux.

[abstract spire]

what should i have on my bard squire ?

[cosmic swan]

A drum, I think

[abstract spire]

thats all ?

[cosmic swan]

Yes, naked with Drum and throw it on people

[abstract spire]

ooga booga time

[cosmic swan]

No seriously, you can ask to the pro in the Bard channel. You can join it by clicking on the Role and Channel tab on top of the channel list

[abstract spire]

there is so much channels i didnt even see those

[nimble needle]

Does troll pelt only drop in HR?

[cosmic swan]

Nop normal too, and same drop rate

[nimble needle]

Okey, i killed him 5-6 times now, no drop. How low is the drop chance?

[cosmic swan]

15% so pretty high actually, you might have been unlucky on that one

[nimble needle]

Okey thanks

[nimble needle]

Btw, is it the same for normal <25 GS and >25 GS with the drop also?

[lost phoenix]

Is there a channel for suggestions?

[cosmic swan]

Yes the only loot difference is between normal and High roller. No difference between gear score bracket

@lost phoenix #suggestion-discussion

[rose herald]

Do stats like Magical Healing and Buff/Debuff Duration Bonus affect the relevant spells/buffs/debuffs outgoing from the caster, or is it also incoming to the wearer?

For example, if the Fighter in my Cleric/Fighter duo is wearing a +Magical Healing item, will they see any benefit from that when the Cleric heals them?

[humble jay]

FWIW - Using any luck actually increases your chance at the troll club, inturn decreasing your pelt chance

[rose herald]

Similarly, if the Fighter is wearing +Buff Duration equipment, and is then buffed by a bard, does the buff last longer on the fighter?

[cosmic swan]

Nop, the magical healing need to be on the caster to be effectiv. The buff duration need to be on the guys you cast the buff on.

So yes if your fighter have a lot of buff duration your bard buff will last longer on him.

[rose herald]

Wait really? So wearing +Buff Duration on my bard for trios is only affecting the duration on self-buffs?

[cosmic swan]

Yes, but the bard have a special stat that increase buff on both him and the other. Called Persuasiveness, you get more by stacking Ressourcefulness

[lost phoenix]

ty

[rose herald]

So that makes me curious about Debuff Duration Bonus, which I've only ever seen as a positive number - is this essentially a poisonous stat roll? +Debuff Duration Bonus seems like it would make incoming debuffs last longer, if we're staying consistent with the buff duration bonus applying only to incoming buffs.

[abstract spire]

how do i know whats breakable and whats not , been hitting a barrel for 12 hits to realize its not breakable

[cosmic swan]

Well it's weird but the more Debuff Duration Bonus you have the more negative your Debuff duration stat will be. And the lower the Debuff stat is the shorter debuff will last on you

@abstract spire That depend of the weapon you need. Rapier and dagger can't break anything

[wanton sage]

Does being crypt 1 guarantee inferno 1 and vice versa?

[abstract spire]

so even a torch do better at breaking stuff ?

[cosmic swan]

No

@abstract spire no torch don't break box and barrel too

[rose herald]

Well it's weird

Yes, yes it is. Thanks for the info, I'm gonna be keeping a closer eye on the Detailed Stats page when I'm messing around with equipment now.

[cosmic swan]

You can have more info here https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats

[drowsy viper]

How long does the longest ranger trap ingame last?

[urban lance]

I am getting my ass kicked consistently by people with Spears(I'm Cleric).

Even if I catch the block, the delay means that they can keep backing up and I still can't him em.

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Hunting_Trap

[abstract spire]

are you using judgement + faithfulness ?

[drowsy viper]

14 seconds, thats crazy for a green

[echo turtle]

get on close. you can out dps if they aren’t in spear sweet spot

[cosmic swan]

Yep but you can disarm hit even after walking in it. Look at your feet

[urban lance]

That's the problem; I can never get close enough to hit em. As long as they keep backing up and poking me, I never close the gap to any meaningful extent unless they back themselves into a corner or something stupid.

[drowsy viper]

Yeah thats argueable if thats doable if you get trapped, haha

[nova sphinx]

eu down again ?

[jolly bone]

where can i report?

[echo turtle]

are you running judgement? usually clerics can poke at druids from far away until they are able to get on close- druids have little range

[cosmic swan]

#in-game-reports

[urban lance]

Smite.

[abstract spire]

judgement + faithfulness is a great way to slow them down

[simple peak]

hey what do i do if i bought the founders addition but never got any of the items for it ?

[manic shell]

Ranger spear is on another level

[abstract spire]

when did you bought it ?

[simple peak]

ages ago

[manic shell]

How much do you bought it? 35$?

[cosmic swan]

And you're playing on Blacksmith or Steam?

[simple peak]

no it was more then that i cant quite remember but it was around the time of one of the betas i believe... and i have it on both but i used the black smith usually

[abstract spire]

so the 50$ game variation ?

[dim cloud]

Add control clicking loot to pick up when naked without FkG EQUIPPING IT. Please...

[manic shell]

Cause theres 2 edition, the 35$ and 50$ ones, if you sure its 50$ ones, you should get stuff

[cosmic swan]

Ok and even on Blacksmith you don't have it? Are you sure you'r on the same account that you bought the Founder?

[simple peak]

not really sure brother it was forever ago... and yes i alwayed use the same account just the first time im actually looking at the items and everything

[cosmic swan]

Maybe you need to activate it on the Dark and Darker website? If you need real help open a ticket here #discord-help

[simple peak]

yea i tried i honestly can remember my password like an idiot but ill just change it later. im doing some stupid online training for work cause i gotta go to a pse&g and while im doing the training i figured i could come here and get a quick anwser but in all honestly im not to worried about any of the items really just thought they would be cool to have

[thick token]

Can you still kill the cyclops when it’s not moving

[cosmic swan]

Nop. It's a bug he become unkillable

[errant spindle]

anyone else think that druids nature tooth spell is way to strong?

[wind venture]

I think rat form should take a bit of time to work... it's so broken ands easy escape mechanic

[thick token]

Nothing a cleric can’t deal with

[fair geode]

is europe server bug? i cant play in europe

[spare stag]

are they going to add more druid spells? Also, why do I want to seek out herbs? (noticed a perk option)

[drowsy iris]

Damn, seems like blood pact doesn't give a flat +50 hp when activated. Kinda sux.

[fair geode]

guys why i cant join any highroller europe match? wtf? anyone with this problem

[primal niche]

are server down? anyone have same lag like me? other internet acitivites is normal but when play dnd around 100ms++ even on same server with my location

[dry kite]

Servers are being goofy once more

[cosmic swan]

Yes probably Druid is the newest class so it'll be improved in the futur

[spare stag]

makes sense, any clue why Id want herbs?

[stone falcon]

potions

[spare stag]

Where do I craft them? Thank you @cosmic swan

[cosmic swan]

It's used to craft potion. Look at the Alchemist's "Service" tab

[cosmic swan]

[stone falcon]

[drowsy iris]

Goddam. I think I need to clear room for FIVE HUNDRED gold in my inventory before accepting this quest reward even though it comes with two coin bags.

[abstract spire]

did the game die

[echo turtle]

???

[deft lintel]

does it have less players than 3 weeks ago. yes. Is it noticable? hmm, maybe if you play NA or OCE

[green mango]

Hello everyone, I have a question: could I use the same account for the test and the original game? because when I go into the original version of the game it tells me that I can’t create one because it already exists

[abstract spire]

i mean the queue takes too much

[latent brook]

Eu proly ded

[undone belfry]

treasure hoard goblin cave quest still bugged?

[deft lintel]

if the queue is taking long it has nothing to do with players. Just stop matching and try again

[latent brook]

Its working again

[undone belfry]

i think he means waiting room

[deft lintel]

He's a new player, he dosn't

[wind venture]

Sooo I just had a cheater who took 0 damage. lost my8k kit.. I hate this game and their anti-cheat.

[unborn spruce]

What questline will unlock Grimsmile Ring crafting?

[wanton sage]

Can you break stone doors?

[devout dune]

nope

[hard rock]

Why not if I had a pickaxe I could mine it

[spare stag]

why is it that sometimes stairs dont have blue torchs?

[south maple]

do revive shrines come back?

[keen lichen]

what is the gear score range for matchmaking ? can someone confirm ?

[tawny coral]

Innit 0-24 25-125 125-?

[jade pike]

WAS JUST 100VS 350S MARK

[cosmic swan]

No game never had an anti cheat system that work. But they're actually banning people when you report them

[granite stump]

is there anyone that can help me? my map timer is not right its say less the one but my friends has more that 2 mins sometimes like its advance

[cosmic swan]

Oh that's weird, try #report-a-bug and/or #discord-help

@south maple no they don't

[exotic sparrow]

Did they change something to match making? Queueing solo GC <25 was instant. now I tired 3 times

[cosmic swan]

Server still have issues I guess

[winged prawn]

im having a lot of fun running staff bonk cleric and winning every fight. Ironmace killing it as usual.

[spare elbow]

Does one of you have inconsistent internet connection?

[wind venture]

Windigo hooves are such BS to get. I killed like 30 and only got 1

[granite stump]

its seems fine to me but my map timer always start at 2 mins but theirs at 5mins

[plain stone]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1259515685386715168
LF1m Norms pvp/questing

[cosmic swan]

15% drop rate, don't play any luck it'll reduce the drop rate of green item

[plain stag]

Sad truth. Not even multi-billion dollar companies can fully stop cheaters.

[lethal prism]

That is false. They can, they just dont give a f***

[plain stag]

League of legends just implemented the most aggressive anti cheat of all time, and cheaters were video posting ways to bypass it two weeks later.

[lethal prism]

Valorant seems like doing a pretty good job, sure some might find a way around but as far as I know it's ok

[plain stag]

People said the exact same thing about league until Riot themselves released data on the prevelance of cheating. Trust me, it's more rampant than you think.

Soft-cheating continues to work even with programs like Vanguard.

Can IronMace do better? For sure.

But it's not black and white, they can't just dump some money onto a team of people and expect to eliminate all cheaters overnight.

[grave stone]

When was stealth split into 2 perks? I dont remember seeing it in the patch notes

[marsh gale]

i got extra blue stones, what race should i get for fighter?

[grave stone]

I would guess orc but dont take my word for it

[compact moon]

Is troll stronger on duo / trio ?

[exotic sparrow]

what is that default button to use the lock pick...there is not enough time to see and I just used 2 for nothing. Tried clicking or F...didn't work

[cosmic swan]

Nop, but the way his aggro work make it easier to do alone anyway

[cosmic swan]

What do you mean split in 2 perk? (I haven't played sine the hotfix)

@exotic sparrow Space bar

[grave stone]

Stealth was (if I remember correctly) hide lasts 3 times longer and you get to take 10 steps in stealth but now those two abilities are split

[sweet umbra]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C89-MINpeih/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

[cosmic swan]

No Stealth was always 10 step. The 3 time longer (2 time longer before) was an other perk

[grave stone]

Ive gone mad

[warm carbon]

How does one buy the game?

[frigid yacht]

what are the brackets for normals

[compact moon]

Warlock hellfire is scam, it disapears if you cast 2 or more...

[subtle heart]

Unrelated but are seasons confirmed to be roughly 3months?

[final gale]

Thing is, triumph level didnt reset this season at all, so its even harder.

[stoic adder]

Normals needs a GS cap there is no outplay to vsing guys with 450GS

Normals needs a GS cap there is no outplay to vsing guys with 450GS

[inland bobcat]

So are we going to get option to buy legendary edition from steam shop?

[stoic adder]

Normals needs a GS cap there is no outplay to vsing guys with 450GS

Normals needs a GS cap there is no outplay to vsing guys with 450GS

[frigid hound]

EU serv are re-up ?

[hollow cipher]

Has there been any discussion about removing the circle - I should hope to see it's return soon

[wind venture]

https://imgur.com/fQAfopr

3 claws, 0 hooves... why....

[honest tinsel]

will there be any changes regarding the rogue class?

[snow smelt]

It will be in arena obviously, maybe on a new map where it makes sense but not on the current maps as it is bad design

[spare stag]

Is it beneficial for any reason to hoard collectibles?

[cosmic swan]

I hope so. The Hide build has always been an issue either too strong or too weak. Can really get balanced so I hope it'll be replaced. A really good suggestions was made about a replacement https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons

[hollow cipher]

I disagree - it actually encouraged people to fight each other and enter areas of the map that they normally would not. It made it a much more dynamic and pvp focused game overall. I feel as if this game has moved in a negative direction encouraging more static pve content than the dynamic fun that a proper battle Royale encouraged

[ionic coyote]

why are people messing up the price for wolf pelt? just post all wolf pelts as 400g each and enjoy profit. Man...

[snow smelt]

The game is not designed for battle royal. Circle forced shitty fights most of the time. There are better ways to encourage pvp with poi. You can still find plenty pvp no issue

[hollow cipher]

The game was literally designed for battle Royale. That was it's original design

[rare adder]

i HATED the circle, having static exits makes the game actually enjoyable

[hollow cipher]

As far as shitty fights go, I believe that was another part of the charm where sometimes you have a positional advantage and sometimes you don't. It created fun scenarios where you would have to either wall or push against the enemies

[dark mirage]

GOT a BIS bard kit DM ME

[snow smelt]

Idk a square map for a circle is a bit weird, you can have really bad spawns

[still cloud]

Realizing cyclops aint worth the smoke, convince me im wrong but besides the double boss kill for chance at artifact quality the cyclops drops ass loot and is nottttt at all worth the danger of that double rock drop damage

[hollow cipher]

How would you encourage pvp while still maintaining a dungeon exploration aesthetic?

[deft lintel]

Look, you didnt play the game, so you didn't actaully experience the game at all when circle was at it's peak. So don't talk. Everyperson who still plays this game since early access, agrees this is much better.

[rare adder]

Theres so much pvp in this game im not sure what youre gettin at

[snow smelt]

A lot of the time it removed map knowledge, positioning and strategy from the fight. And anyway if you wanted to rat you could still sit / campfire in the storm

[still cloud]

Troll drops gems and pelts worth thousands, wtf does cyclops drop thats worth?

[hollow cipher]

I played this game on release, played it during the torrent era, blacksmith client era, and am playing it again for the steam re-release. I think I remember the game how it was

[snow smelt]

Point of interest, like the middle room of GC. Encouraging players to go to specific rooms with quests

[smoky dock]

Not everyone, I'm a fan of it and have played since EA. Though I also agree that POI's could work just as well, though not offer the same sense of urgency, which is the part of the circle I liked

[worn magnet]

if you do the "take no damage" quest with warlock do you have to not cast any spells?

[deft lintel]

Agree with POI's. If they have enough value then i belive the urgency is still there. It's why goblin caves is the most well rounded map right now

[smoky dock]

Yea there's nothing worse than a ''supply drop'' that's not worth going for 😅

[subtle heart]

ok skeleton warlord has spawn 5 times in a row for me on solos is it not a 1/3 chance for each boss?

[stoic adder]

Normals need a GS cap no reason 450GS should be in normals

[humble jay]

My team used to call it 50/50 - "it's either warlord or it's not" lmao

[cosmic swan]

About the "Add back the zone" : #q-and-a message

Objective on the map are the real answer. Zone was never meant to stay. Good ridance, let's do good suggestions of new point of interest

[deft lintel]

There is a very good reason. It's so free to play accounts don't complain

[vestal silo]

can golden dreams still be completed the old way?

[fallow tree]

is eu working?

[edgy zinc]

can't find match\

[fallow tree]

ye same

[dry kite]

Time to invade US east again xd

[rough whale]

It's crazy that I used to have more players in my HR games when there were >6k players playing the game compared to now.

[waxen wadi]

what if you had a map like goblin caves where the only exit is a lift in the center. that way players arn't forced in, but strongly urged to go in because of the timer. it would create super chaotic and frantic fights in the last couple of minutes that would always be memorable.

after wining a fight you would always also have the option to bale before the next team comes in, adding more desicion making and strategy into the fights.

you might also walk in on players trying to leave, possibly walling them off before they can get onto the lift causing even more mayhem.

[tired flint]

Do we know what the AP rewards are for this wipe

[cosmic swan]

That's because they open the gate of bringing gear in normal. Thx the f2p player for that. (And because there is no gearscore bracket in HR but that's also because of gear in normal)

[fresh bridge]

is there any rouges willing to teach me the game? 19 and new

[pastel roost]

Can Bards get Lantern Shields in Squire?

[sly jackal]

No sir

[calm oasis]

then why am i in a default kit fighting a cleric with 400? this games match making is so inconsistent

[cosmic swan]

Well some people have made suggestions to get it back, barely get more than 5 vote. I think it's a loud minority of people who want that back

[cobalt halo]

where do i find iron ore?

[zealous chasm]

So glad that this game is here!
HellDivers2 is such a complete waste of time.

[calm oasis]

nope. playing solo mining iron with a grand total of 11 gear score and a cleric in full plate is faster than a rogue with only agility

[zealous chasm]

You aren't, you are mistaken, and don't have a clear understanding of the game or it's rules.
It's okay, wisdom comes with age.

[calm oasis]

least obvious rage bait

[rough whale]

I hope they fix the matchmaking soon. I was having the best time playing this game prior to wipe when they had the -299 gearscore lobbies.

[zealous chasm]

There is nothing to fix, this is the best the game has ever been.
Multi-Classing was pre-wipe...and most cried like Trrumperrs about that status

[fossil coyote]

Hi can anyone teach me how to get out of dungeon to bring home my loot? Thx in advance

[subtle heart]

what are some spells and perks i should be using as warlock?

[rough whale]

You're blind. There's next to nobody in HR with 50k players and fights are more unbalanced then before wipe.

[zealous chasm]

You are mistaken.
If there was no one in HR...then everyone would be in HR taking advantage of the all the loot in the empty dungeon.

[spark remnant]

Gob Caves HR has plenty of people and I've run into many in Crypts and Ice Cave. We must be playing different games

[hard rock]

I played the free trial for this game maybe a year ago, and now I want to continue with the full version. Problem is, I don’t have access to a computer very often. How viable would it be to get the PC version and switch version and switch back and forth?

Right now I can only use my brothers computer once a week. I’m considering doing non story stuff on my switch and continuing the story when I have access to the PC.

[cosmic swan]

Maybe different region

[rough whale]

I don't think most players like mindless pve and no pvp interaction but thats just me. Makes the game boring beyong belief.

[spark remnant]

Its PC only and not really a story (aside from quests??).

[rough whale]

We definitely must be I'm seeing max 1-2 groups or a couple people in solos.

[calm oasis]

use hydra and the one that siphons. u can place your hydra and heal off of it while it can also distract mobs, block doors, and damage mobs/players. it can seem really useless if youre using it as your main form of attack because it does low damage but it is a great distraction and blockade while you can heal from it

[spark remnant]

what region are you on?

[zealous chasm]

Timing is important, this game is mostly USA players.
Most of them blew their wadd in pvp trios last night.
Today will be low US pop as it's Sunday.

[broken coyote]

is the game working for you guys?

[rough whale]

US East

[spark remnant]

Try US West next time you play, see if that changes anything. That's where I mainly play on. @rough whale

[native vector]

why am i going into lobbies where people have 700 gear score vs. my 150 gear score?

[cosmic swan]

In HR it's normal. In Normal it's normal tol the limits to get in lower bracket is 124

[native vector]

so the limit in low roller is 124 and below, and then anything 125 and above is the next bracket of gear score?

[spark remnant]

yes there's actually 3 brackets at this point. 24 and under (basic squire gear), 25 - 124 and then 125+. So if your gear is 150, then there's no limit to who you could be fighting against. In High-Roller there are no brackets

[strange stratus]

i've done a fair few quests over the past week or two but ive noticed all the merchant affinitys are 0 again, do they reset daily/weekly or something?

[sturdy birch]

what's the most needed class?

[worldly pewter]

Anyone know i can play through my quest 2, like if i hook up the steam play to my oculus, do you think i can play dark and darker?

[vestal zealot]

What does it mean when someones name is blue when ur spectating

[sullen stirrup]

Does the goblin merchant affinity have any impact on the rarity of item I get back?

[crisp creek]

you get same item back from goblin merchant wdym

[young yew]

i just did my first troll + cyclop run im so happy, didnt had a pickaxe tho soooo its sad

[white saffron]

what setup would u guys go for pure pve ap grind on crypts ? for cleric ?

[chrome igloo]

good job man I am still learning the troll i just get slaped every time

[sudden bronze]

why is iron powder in the game? (asking for a friend)

[young yew]

i play warlock for the bosses

I GIVE EPIC ZWEILHANDER GOOD ROLLS (the weapon doesnt sell for much, so i give it for the person to play it!°

[proud bluff]

is lycan better than lizard now

[oblique pecan]

can ranger kill troll/cyclops and do hell runs easily or should i keep a bossing character like bard and do my pvp on ranger

[past path]

Rangers are scum.

[oblique pecan]

clearly a fighter main

[past path]

i play everything, Rangers have always been scum in this game.

[oblique pecan]

[hallow garden]

Where can I leave a game suggestion?

[gritty flume]

Why does troll aggro swap completely randomly? What's the point? All it does is make it dummy hard to kill it as a group. Plus it messes with his attack pattern; he only starts with the backhand swing if there's more than one player in the room its so cringe

[chrome igloo]

anyone who have played this game for more than 2h knows that fighter shits on ranger. Wiz is problem for fighter

[rare adder]

i understand this is early access but i feel like im hitting a wall with the quests and gear progression? for example getting ruby silver and killing wendigo 10x times is quite difficult, for me atleast, and i receive these quests super early in the game i feel like, maybe im just bad? it took me like 50 raids to kill the cyclops lol, and ive only survived down portals a few times. I either get stat checked or rng'd.

[young yew]

as he dies fast enough, i'll never do it as a group tbh, either the other person goes for the other boss, either they stay at the door but solo is better

[past path]

They made this game free to play, because it's going Nowhere fast. Ive been playing since playtest 2 and this game feels so dry and boring. Same rinse and repeat games every single time.

[brave storm]

tell me why im almost done with all the quests and i still only have 4/7 of the elite crossbow men on frost mountain what theres only 1-2 on the whole map or something? shits busted.

[steep basin]

is a wizard that i can kill for this damn quest I've played 50+ matches and have not ran into one yet

[soft karma]

Tell me why tasks arent cross progerssional but still able to be done for the rewards

[rare oracle]

My group just lets one person do it and the other two guard. For this reason

[arctic drum]

Same here, feels like im spinning my wheels!

[empty matrix]

when are we bringing back ruins and the circle????

[empty zealot]

No resets, sure you had 25 or more?

[winter marlin]

HR solos at least is quite empty compared to normals

[random galleon]

When is the next/coming wipe?

[spark remnant]

true but that's cause the lobby cap is lower than in duo or trio. I mainly play solo and lobby is generally full, if not, close to it

[empty zealot]

Just spawn with squire gear, run to xbow spawn and kill,suicide and repeat, thats usually how I do kill quests

[winter marlin]

Ironhumble please can you buff Warlongs? Actually worst class, phantomize lasts way too little and curse of pain should deal 30-40 base damage.

[civic juniper]

You probably feel this way because you are talking about the game as if completing quests is the main objective. Quests offer a modest amount of xp/gear/gold to try and get you to experience all aspects of the game. They should not be your main source of gear progression. I would encourage you to watch some videos on how to survive inferno/abyss, you aren't getting "stat checked or rng'd" every time, plenty of people run them and consistently escape in default gear.

[covert mist]

how the fk have the devs not fixed stuttering

[lucid jewel]

when will dnd get new maps and i see videos of a map set outside can anyone tell me what that is

[worthy jungle]

Ruins is the name of that outside map. it is not currently in the map rotation.

[leaden salmon]

anyone know if you can still get uniques from goblin merchant or is legendary the highest rarity?

[marsh gale]

what class is orc good foor?

[lucid jewel]

will it ever be back in rotation it looks awesome

[autumn tinsel]

where is death altar on howling crypts

[subtle heart]

Thoughts on fighter? watched a youtube video that said it's a useless class.

[civic juniper]

Any build valuing strength>agi, it's a decent skin to run for really any physical damage based class

[chilly nebula]

this game is broken, why are ppl in full plate armor catching me when im wearing all agility gear with my weapons away and jumping as im putting them away as ive been told. i check their stats and their movement speed is less than mine . there is no explaining it , the stats are just broken, or there is severe desynch

[subtle heart]

my experience is the opposite of that every running away and getting two tapped by clerics

[dusk willow]

anyone elses "mimics and money" quest broken? it says all mimics killed, but never accepts the mimic teeth to move on

[chilly nebula]

Sounds like it’s similar to mine , happens all the time where I’m wearing light gear with agility and my weapons away and a cleric can catch me in plates and a Morningstar out

[subtle heart]

if you main rogue I see other players easily maneuvering me as a fighter

[civic juniper]

If it were actually the case that what you are saying is true, meaning that the movement speed stat is completely irrelevant, there would be far more outcry from the community. Make sure to account for movement speed enhancing abilities such as sprint (for fighters) or slowing abilities such as judgement (cleric)

[chilly nebula]

I’m accounting for it, it’s broken or desynch , after trying to figure it out for months .

[lusty prawn]

am i the only one who thinks barbarian needs a buff?

[fluid thunder]

outskilled in what itt does by other classes, mid at all master at none

[cosmic swan]

Yes. The other class need nerf, the barb is good right now

[subtle heart]

Damn that sux

[fluid thunder]

i enjoy it on solos but havent played it in others bc my friends usually play frontline so not sure. fun in solos bc i can use a bow and sword lmao

[winter marlin]

don't run in circles

[civic juniper]

Unless you somehow have terrible desync, I don't know what to tell you other than your pathing is poor and you are allowing people to close distance on you purely through your own error. Movementspeed is one of the most highly sought after stats in the game and clearly makes a difference

[reef herald]

do eu servers work yet

[fluid thunder]

is it hard to try it yourself

[rapid night]

HR struggling

[wind venture]

I honestly wish they would make normals that you can go blue max, and if you want purple and above go to HR.

[viscid lark]

how come when i got invis to swap agro of pvp to other players as soon as i uninvis the agro swaps back to me

[wise hollow]

THIS BIG PROBLEM

[cosmic swan]

Imo they should make the Normal mode lock to common gear like it used to and do 3 bracket of gearscore in HR only. Grey to Green/Blue (with one or 2 blue piece) -> Green/Blue to Blue/Purple (With 1 or 2 purple piece) -> And everything above that

[cosmic swan]

Because the mob remember, if no one hit them while you are invis they come back to you

[viscid lark]

nah bro high roller shouldnt have brackets

[small chasm]

nah killing juicers with a crap kit is good

[viscid lark]

its has ranks an norms shoudnt have any matchmaking because there is already mmr in ranked

[slate skiff]

How is Horseman's Axe build currently on Barb?

[plain stag]

Agreed. Highroller is already empty, we don't need any further segregation.

[cosmic swan]

My suggestion was to add Gearscore bracket to HR if you remove the gear in normal. So people have to play in High Roller to use gear. So no empty lobby in HR anymore

[zinc spruce]

Nah high roller shouldn't have gear score brackets, it's a risk reward thing, and it used to be you needed to play high roller to wear good gear but that messes with F2P people

[prime egret]

How do I unlock more base squire items and how do I transfer loot between characters?

[main bay]

rogue or warlock

[young pewter]

do quest to unlock gear

[brazen tangle]

Do keys become cheaper or more expensive during the wipe?

[coarse dock]

curse of pain actually needs to incur a 3x health loss penalty if u miss

[plain stag]

I've watched golden keys go from 3k>6k>4k and back to 5k over the last few weeks. I'm not sure, but I'd expect the price will drop once most people finish the related quest.

Skulls, I have no idea. They already seem overpriced for what you can get with them, people are just using keys as a currency which makes valuation difficult.

[brazen tangle]

mhm okay im looking for a better way to store my gold, bags are too expensive

[plain stag]

I have my money split between keys, bags, and gold ingots. Hope this helps!

[tardy sandal]

Skull Keys are 1/3 of a coin chest

[plain stag]

I saw people selling chests for 2 skulls on trading post the other day, I think the price has dropped with the quest reward giving chest.

[tardy sandal]

Damn

[jagged ice]

do you think i could sell a 1+agility, 1+vigor,1.5% movespeed bonus purple lightfoot boots for a chest?

[tardy sandal]

No

[wet crow]

Keep dreaming XD

[zinc tiger]

Good but i think double axe is better

[lean crane]

Need to add a gearscore indicator for your party while you're in the lobby

[jagged ice]

damn i need a way to store like 10k ish gold and that is the most valued item i have how much gold would i be off

[plain stag]

It would need flat movement speed bonus, and even then the price doesn't go that high. Those are worth far, far less than additional movespeed bonus + movespeed bonus

[brazen tangle]

would be off by about 80k

[tardy sandal]

Would need +5 ms, movespeed bonus, and 2 agility if you want to even consider that and even then

[jagged ice]

GOD DAMN, i did not think it was worth that much lmao

[plain stag]

Just buy a golden key.

[tardy sandal]

Personally, I don’t like golden keys, I feel like theirs more stable things to put your money into

[plain stag]

Bags will probably retain value better tbh. Everyone wants bags, and will continue to want bags.

[jagged ice]

how much do bags go for?

[neat cloud]

i feel like wyvern honestly needs a rework. Its a bit strange for aboss in a trio max game to need 4 people and have a hp pool so large that if you dont just overwelm it with numbers it wrecks you

[tardy sandal]

I’m actually putting my money into frost stone, when crafts for them come out they’re going to skyrocket from 6k per stack to like 12k prob

[plain stag]

I picked up my gold coin bag for 4800, last I checked they were selling 5600. Idk what they are now.

[alpine star]

anyone know if warlock self-inflicted damage from spells counts against the "take no damage" quests

[tardy sandal]

They’re like 5kish

[zinc spruce]

Pretty sure they do

[jagged ice]

so how much would this actually go for then?

[plain stag]

Just check the market for similar items.

[tardy sandal]

Probably 1k?

[jagged ice]

only like 2 or 3 out there but i think roughly 5-6k (that is only from what i have seen from the store idk)

[vestal silo]

not even close

[jagged ice]

yeah lmao i had no idea how much that thing was worth

[subtle heart]

That’s like trying to trade a pair of Jordan’s for a Bugatti

[jagged ice]

yeah also does it drop from a quest now?

[cedar dragon]

how often do the vendors refresh their crafting options?

[oblique pecan]

im tryna figure out what i want to play, which is better atm?
rogue, wizard, or ranger?

[cosmic swan]

Every 30 min

@r4venn._. In solo Rogue. In duo trio Ranger, with really good gear Wizard

[fluid thunder]

neither

[oblique pecan]

nice, thank you

[abstract valve]

how do you whisper

[cosmic swan]

"/w CharacterName" then press space

[night pulsar]

How do the exit gates work?

[dim fractal]

anyone else not able to right clich attack with felling axe??

is that weapon bugged? I remember before the hotfix patch I was able to side swing

[ember dragon]

thats the battle axe youre thinking about

[thorny osprey]

my game keeps crashing every time i enter my stash or class tab

[blissful eagle]

does anyone know if a chart exists for how XP gain is determined?

[dim fractal]

Dunno but Dark and Darker Wiki has a lot of info of almost all things in the game

[cinder kayak]

@tame radish Fancy meeting you here 👋

[blazing pulsar]

@sdf cant cast fireball over a corpse, it blows up mid air...

[worthy wyvern]

asd

[vestal steppe]

Have you tried using -dx11 as a steam parameter for Launching the game?

[wind venture]

Instant druid changing shouldn't be a thing anymore, it's just super broken. People turn into a rat, quickly change intp panther and hit 1-2 times, turns back into a rat.

[vestal steppe]

Fr its like having Phantomize every 2 seconds. About to get hit?, just turn into a rat fast enough and the swing will go pass 1 meter above you

[soft veldt]

1

[vestal steppe]

Also I've seen people use the instant transformations to speed jump across an entire room in less than a second

I get it. It's fun playing druid as it is. But it really ruins the game for people that play other classes. The only way to kill a "good druid" is to Molotov their way as the run in rat form. And good luck trying to do that before they escape through a door and vanish

[nocturne vault]

Time to nerf clerics 2 HITS !!!! ´fucking annoying to die to

[fluid thunder]

thats the point? you use the mechanics of the class to do what the class can do, any sort of DoT kills rat, anyone with range and good aim kills rat, unless youre only solo melee or yorue team is all melee youre complaining at nothing

[zealous galleon]

Does anyone know how to unlock Grims?

[cosmic swan]

Do Alchemist quest, if they didn't change the merchant

[brave cedar]

bro...tell me about it...seeing a cleric in solos is like looking death in the eye....

[inner sundial]

Is there any warlock out there enjoying the current state of demon form ?

[zealous galleon]

Do you know what reputation?

[vestal steppe]

People can't shoot a bullet at a dot in CounterStrike and you are telling me we are all supposed to shoot AN ARROW at a moving rat before they go away through a door?

[cosmic swan]

Probably the max we can get for now. I think the quest that allow the craft got released 2-3 day ago

[fluid thunder]

hilarious comparison considering both games are completely different, if you cant hit headshots in cs and cant hit the rat youre at fault not the game lmao

[gilded turret]

rogues need nerfed just sayin

[vestal steppe]

Lmao you are just trolling at this point. Nice try

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons Need that to replace Landmine rogue (Hide build)

[fluid thunder]

keep crying, i get killed as a rat by arrows all the time

[vestal steppe]

That's most of a skill issue than not being able to do headshots in CS. You are trying to force people into do something really hard to counter you because you barely can do something really easy.

We got Equity in videogames before GTA VI

But I get it. Really easy classes are needed for player retention. There are classes for every type of person and their individual skills. Same reason Yuumi exists in League

[fluid thunder]

youre bad at the game bro stop crying, i never run away with rat anyway i fight bro haha grow up

[cosmic swan]

Yes but the probleme with that is that most of the time those easy class in the hand of a great player are broken and make the game unbalanced

[limpid grail]

Anyone know if or when we're getting Ruins back?

[cosmic swan]

The maps is definitly coming back but not now. They're reworking it

[lapis forge]

It would be nice to introduce skill ceilings to the low skill floor classes. Maybe less head shot damage for those classes or make their weapons harder to land head shots

[limpid grail]

Ah okay, glad to hear it's definitely coming back at least, miss that map heheh

[lyric maple]

Can we please just get rid of all forms of invulnerability? Just compeltely get rid of it. Hard enough to get someone cornered in any of these maps to begin with. Finally do and they just become literally invulnerable and fuck off

[red scaffold]

Can you farm skull keys on normals?

[wind venture]

Welp, I'm taking a break. ATM the game is just shit, I'll see what the future holds.

[dry silo]

game seems fine to me

[wheat summit]

man i miss when golden keys were 5k/ea, they've climbed to 6k now 💀

[cosmic swan]

Yes. A bit less chance to drop but you can

[round mica]

Yo, I play a LOT as a solo in duo and trio. Often times the lobbies are pretty empty for high roller at this rank. However in the lobbies I'm in, even when there are only a few people, I find myself getting hunted down RELENTLESSLY even when I just want to farm mobs and grind AP. Is there some way people are able to find other players I don't know about? Or are these guys just running from spawn to spawn to find me? I'm genuinely confused

[royal violet]

spawn to spawn usually if ppl are high geared they can clear rooms really fast

[round mica]

keep in mind I do play as a Bard so I'm literally a walking noisy ass lootbox - but when i'm getting chased, I'll run through like seven rooms and sit in a dark area (after my buffs drop) and just wait for multiple minutes but you literally cannot shake people in this game. does anyone have some suggestions for how to hide better when i know i'm pursued?

[red scaffold]

i mean i saw on the wiki and it doesnt display anything about unique is it only on 1 boss?

[cosmic swan]

People in HR right now are animal. They're full stuff and here only to PvP. That's due to the fact they allowed gear in normal so more chill people go in normal (and New player don't buy the game because they don't need to go HR to use gear)

[pallid fable]

are gold plate pants bugged or did they really take away all its armor

[round mica]

if there are any suggestions on places to hide or ways to hide / lose pursuers i'd love to hear it. i have tried just about anything i can think of and i have a hard time believing it's legit sometimes so i report people and do get a fair amount of ban messages. but i know some of these people are legit and i could be hiding better i feel like

[amber gust]

what is better to max for warlock, will or knowledge?

[round mica]

will gives magic power, knowledge gives more spells / faster cast speed

[wind venture]

@dry siloBesides druid being a broken mess. Barb got nerfed into ruin. phantism warlock is a problem. HR is a joke cause most geared players play normals and destroying new players. Warlord still bugs out for half a year. Judgement is still very buggy for more than half a year, and many more lol.

[royal violet]

25-30 knowledge is the goal for will base or 30 is gud and 4-8 true md and go for hp over ms

[cosmic swan]

Not really if they're good and fast they'll find you

[abstract valve]

Rogues just leave me alone i just wanna farm Bosseshttps://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/idPAQ49ZNMzu-wu8X/d133759tIIZk?invite=cr-MSx5OGssMTk4MTYyNjgwLA

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons Upvote so they replace Hide by that

[amber gust]

@round mica @royal violet thx

[dry silo]

im not gonna lie to u, i have like 300 hours on this wipe and ive only died to druid like 4 times. people not being able to hit the rat is an actuall aim skill issue. It makes a noise and has a visual effect on it. i think barb is fine in a team setting, i also think HR is fine, what does geared players being in norms have to do with anything? what warlord bug are you talking about? Ive never experienced it (i dont think) and my 2nd highest class is cleric and judgment doesnt even have an issue?

[hybrid pagoda]

Best place to have gear appraised?

[abstract valve]

Dont understand your comment xd

[tiny minnow]

why are fighters never getting buffs? legit the worst class in the game for a while

[round mica]

not gonna lie you would imagine running through like 10 rooms with unchained harmony and shutting the doors behind me with each one, looping back and hiding in the dark of a room they already cleared would be enough at least once x.x it really does seem like completely impossible to hide sometimes.

[cosmic swan]

Don't worry I just try to put my suggestion each time I see someone angry about rogue xD

[dry silo]

have u heard of PDR?

[wind venture]

@dry silo1200 hours in the game. fight actual geared players, especially druid that can rat, turn into panther, hit you 1-2 times, turn into rat, and repeat. And sying 'aim issue' is just BS with a tiny target that is fast, jumps, dodge and weaves. And yes, I know your next comment 'use explosion bottles pepega'
with solo, HR is full of naked timmies because geared players go into normal mostly. Warlord gets often stuck on the edges, can teleport outside the room.
Judgement has the issue of not working properly and instead you just clap your hands.

[dry silo]

🤷‍♂️

[tiny minnow]

the easiest stat to counter in the game? yea. PDR stat normally is attached to low MS or lower range which are the only 2 things that matter anything, in addition to it everyone can easily bypass almost 100% of any armor on %pen stat stack. Also magic damage just been buffed and guess what most magic damage also comes from range

[lethal tendon]

GUYS did they changed gear score brackets or something? i was in a trio we were all under 124, and there were ppl with 300.

[tiny minnow]

did anyone carry items for ya?

[subtle heart]

Pots off your belt, lights out

[cosmic swan]

It happen some time, don't know if it's a bug, exploit etc

[fossil trail]

how long does it take for the dungeon recovery system and does it work on hr?

[lethal tendon]

only in trio i see it happening..

[tiny minnow]

they could be stacking items on someone else

[round mica]

go ahead and read all of what i wrote i guess

[lethal tendon]

yeah true

[tiny minnow]

They could also just loot in the run itself

[lethal tendon]

i mean i always check in pregame lobby. not in game. And i dont hear or see them droping items

[tiny minnow]

no clue then lol

[spark vortex]

Why does using second wind in the pregame lobby take it away for the whole match?

[timid sky]

where does gold ore spawn now?

[native ingot]

How do you OPEN THE ICE DOORS IN ICE CAVE HELL TF IS THIS

[royal violet]

gc double boss room

[timid sky]

try "F"

[native ingot]

Bruh they dont look like doors at all the fuck why does the regular caves have normal doors and hell is pieces of ice

[royal violet]

anyone else think that they make it to were the bodies become easier to loot after its been looted once before?

[fossil trail]

how long does it take for the dungeon recovery system and does it work in hr?

[grave tiger]

anyone else getting a desync issue where you get kicked and have to relog

[subtle heart]

Too be honest that’s reallt all you can do is make space as bard and either reposition to fight or hide

[round mica]

yee i do make sure potions are off the belt to clarify, and i try to turn some lights out where i can it's just brutal

[amber gust]

how do I get the coins out of the purses?

[sullen fossil]

can you duck the wendigos combo attack? or does it hit u anyway

[sterile lily]

guys can someone help i reported it as a bug and sent a ticket but if someone can help me sooner i will be grateful the game doesnt wanna join i am in the frankfurt server and it keeps saying Failed to connect to the server and then quits the game

[atomic stag]

ok so what are the actual gearscore lobbies? does anyone actually know

[vestal steppe]

You mean the gear score boundaries of each lobby?.

0-25

26-124

124 >>>

[lethal vigil]

for the tailor quest needing copperlight gear, does it have to have the substats it shows?

[brave wyvern]

I posted a gameplay video in the Reddit but doesn’t seem to be showing in the Reddit group only on my profile? Anyone know why

[atomic stag]

yes....but this cannot be right ...i saw a youtube video also claiming this but i just went into a trios and we were all under 124 and there were several ppl in the lobby 300+

[vestal steppe]

Did you try sorting by "newest" ?. Usually the default in groups is "most popular" so it will show the ones with more upvotes on the top

[brave wyvern]

Ya I put it to newest I must be shadow banned or sum lol

[atomic stag]

this has happened several times today

[vestal steppe]

The gear score only matters on Normals, were you on Highroller by any chance?

[atomic stag]

No, this was normals

[sullen fossil]

if u werent in highroller than one of u were over 124 and thats why u got put there

[vestal steppe]

There is also a chance one of your teammates had higher gear score. Or maybe the numbers changed since yesterday patch

[atomic stag]

i promise you this is not the case.

[sullen fossil]

its the most likely case. either that, a bug, or they changed the values without telling anyone

[subtle heart]

You should practise on your offence, because if you can’t show some force they won’t respect you and will just run you down. Either make sure you’re in good gear for HR or run sub 25s so you’re on even playing field and try to use your ranged advantage on bard to make space.

[sullen fossil]

also how can you be so certain? did your friends post screenshots of their gearscore or what

[subtle heart]

You generally won’t win a fight if you just turn around and stat check as a bard so use your bow, you have full control of every fight if you play properly due to your insane move speed and range.

[atomic stag]

i understand that it is the most likely case...but several times today we get in a lobby....and we inspect ppl and there will be 2 ppl in a trio that are under the threshold and the third will bring in full kits for the other 2 .....I have argued with one of my friends several times but he was right

[vestal steppe]

Or play Cleric and stat check them going all greens

[subtle heart]

Even if you hit them twice with a bow and you run, they will likely stop to heal and give you 2x as much time to run away if you feel the need to.

[sullen fossil]

yeah they abuse low gearscore lobbies that way. but theyd have to sacrifice two players for it

[subtle heart]

Cleric has literally made me 30k in past two days 🤣

[atomic stag]

you arent understanding.....the third person is bringing full kits for the other 2

[cosmic swan]

Maybe they changed the rule to make it the sum of all team gearscore and not the highest one whi defini which gearscore bracket you go in. It was like that at the beginning of gear score. But I really don't think it's that

[sullen fossil]

that would put them above 124 so that isnt true. two players bring in a kit for one

[vestal steppe]

I almost forgot. Under 124 are kinda unbalanced right now because a trio could bring enough high gear for just 1 person and the other 2 naked, finding Green stuff on chests is not that difficult so the other 2 can just gear up PVEing for 4 or 5 minutes

[subtle heart]

That has to be the saddest possible thing, all that effort to farm greens off new players 😭

[atomic stag]

....yes....i know this....you are def. not understanding

[vestal steppe]

Yeah some people just want to "win fights" or complete assassination quests. That's why some people play <25 even tho they could afford legendaries and purples

[jovial goblet]

Total Warlock Death

[sullen fossil]

ur the one not understanding

[vestal steppe]

That's not possible. Not equiped gear also increases GearRate. So unless it's bugged it shouldn't allow anyone to bring gear for the other two in 124

[twin kindle]

WHEN IS RUINS BACK? ANY NEWS AT ALL? ITS BEEN MONTHS

[subtle heart]

You’re not understanding @vestal steppe 2 people are reaching 124 each, then giving their gear to one person

[rustic laurel]

why is everyone so bad in normals, im dodging everybody's hits just tryna mine

[hallow sandal]

Hey guys. What classes are good as a tank?

[cinder yarrow]

whats going on with gear score? just got put against 600 and we both had <300

[rapid vapor]

If you mean frontlining, barb, fighter, arguably cleric and platelock too

[quick oriole]

how do you fix black screen on launch

[subtle heart]

Pdr warlock, pdr fighter, cleric with spell memory

[sullen fossil]

no theyre saying the third person is bringing kits to the other two lol

[rapid vapor]

125+ get matched with each other. HR doesn't seem to have GS

[vestal steppe]

@subtle heart That's what I said. 2 people naked and 1 super geared because the other 2 gave their gear. Let's say all of them bring 2 Blue items and then give it all to make a full kit for a single person

Then the naked dudes farm a little and now you have a team of one líder 500gearscore and two 90 gear score dudes

[cinder yarrow]

thx man

[hallow sandal]

Pdr?

[opal plank]

HR US EAST ... TTv player with a cheating friend. The cheater has a weird string of letters and numbers. Blatant ESP. WEnt all the way to the corner module with the bats on the ceiling to race to kill.
All full gold capes and what not
The guy's name is CAROTTV
Reported them all but not like anything will happen. The guy who is actually cheating is likely on a throw away account.

[rapid vapor]

Pdr stands for physical damage resistance. Plate gives the most pdr by far. Barb can be tanky just from hp and dmg output

[hallow sandal]

Thanks boss. Where can I find a good build?

[vestal steppe]

I was wondering. Isn't HP more OP than resistances?,

[cosmic swan]

You can join the class channel you need by clicking on the Role and Channel tab on top of the channel list

@vestal steppe I think so, there is no HP penetration stat. But I guess the best is a combo of the two. Or a lot of HP and damage so you kill the target first (That's Barb strat)

[hallow sandal]

Thank you guys

[opal plank]

Lol can someone tell me. Wtf is the point to grind for good gear only to die to cheaters.

[rapid vapor]

Not really since you can kind of build both. 150 hp at 65% pdr is almost the same as 225. but pdr is a lot easier to reach. The drawback is you typically wont have much magic resist

[vestal steppe]

I mean some classes cannot build as much PDR

[steep fox]

Farm enough gear to finally kill them

[cosmic swan]

That's the same in every game unfortunately... Cheater are ruining every game and no game ever succed to stop that
But IM are actually pretty good at banning them, so keep reporting. Better if you do it via #in-game-reports with a clip

[rapid vapor]

Right, but we're talking about frontlining and typically that'll involve either a lot of hp, pdr/plate, or both

[cinder yarrow]

cheaters are nerds whose lives suck so much that any dopamine will do

[opal plank]

They all have BIS gear though. So it can only be equal gear, but with them having the advantage of seeing where you are on the map, Possible aim bots and all this bull shit, like long reach

[coarse dock]

Because lock has access to dark bolt, curse of pain should only be a dot, no initial damage

[rapid vapor]

Ngl I've been thinking the same thing too. It probably shouldn't double dip like it does. It's not helping the situation at least

[cosmic swan]

Become the best ranger ever, put only headshot and play the Chase perk so you hear them coming

[brave cedar]

cherry aint a berry, its a stone fruit

[opal plank]

And you would still only be as good as an aimbotter... all this encouragement is purposeless when these people can make real money off gear.

[vestal steppe]

Sure, but I mean, if you had to choose only one. I could kinda see a Rogue, Ranger or Bard going high HP high DPS build and stat checking other people with Armor and Magic penetration gears

[plain stag]

Against rogue I'd say yes.

[warm topaz]

i played dark and darker 6 months ago and the new system is very bad after playing 3 matches deinstalled it

[vestal steppe]

Wym new system?, please elaborate

[plain stag]

What system? Lack of circle or gear score brackets?

[rapid vapor]

To be fair most classes aren't going to be building hp, at least as a main stat. You're more likely to be building damage or movement of some form

[warm topaz]

With the Circle its very lame no need too fight just leave

[rapid vapor]

Does anyone know the theoretical max buff duration a player can have from gear

[daring lagoon]

problem with Barbs is, now almost all other classes either outdamage/outlive them or kite them to death, if you want to be tanky you are too slow, if you want to be fast and hit hard you die almost instantly bcs armor/pdr kinda outclasses HP as a defensive stat. Fighters struggle a lot too nowadays although there is more room to outplay and there are more builds viable, and in teams fighers are beasts when paired with Bards/Clerics, but nowadays almost no one plays Cleric as a support cause maces hit fast, hard, penetrate some armor and you can be immortal at the same time. Warlocks are monsters too now - if they spot you at range you are dead. Rogues are strong too, although here Barb has some advantage cause I've seen rogues getting literally one-tapped by barbs, but you need to land that hit first and it do be hard. Druids just smack you over the head and if you manage to get close they just go bear form and they statcheck you hard.

[vestal steppe]

Sure but that makes more players be alive throughout the match. You can go to high concurrency zones and PVP there, now the game makes you HUNT for players, I believe it's better this way

[cosmic swan]

60% with 100 Will. 35% with 50 Will

[rapid vapor]

Is that just with Will though. I was asking more about the random stat bonus from gear

[cosmic swan]

Just with Will yes. The wiki don't talk of any cap (It do on stat who have a cap)

[daring lagoon]

I've seen items with up to 9,9% buff duration bonus

[vestal steppe]

Buff duration bonus stats comes as a percentage. So I guess you could reach 80% combining both Will and Buff Duration Bonus from gear

[karmic igloo]

does anybody know any third party tools/apps for quicker price checking or overall cost estimation? or like something that can read my kit and tell me what the total is, etc? would be cool if it exists

[plain stag]

There are people developing them, but nothing is really ready yet.

[karmic igloo]

i see

[cosmic swan]

70% if you have the max Buff duration roll on every item. So in theory 130% max

[daring lagoon]

and the build will most likely be abysmal with only magical damage and buff duration bonuses

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Enchantments for the gear roll

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#Buff_Duration for the stat scaling

[vestal steppe]

Wouldn't that mean a Rogue could theoretically go Invisible for more than 60 seconds with both the perk and the buff duration bonus?.

[hardy imp]

Am I just bad or is base gear druid actually unplayable? First time trying druid and none of the shape shifts do over 20 dmg a hit im dying to regular mobs bc it's taking over 7 or 8 headshots to kill anything even using the staff or mace for example

[cosmic swan]

Yes. But that's never happening. Same a Second could full heal you (almost)

[daring lagoon]

shapeshifts are weak, yes, but that's why you play spear and spellbook and you are a pve clearing monster with sustain almost as good as warlocks. dont use forms in pve, spear is goat

[cosmic swan]

Play the spear, panther against mage/warlock/ranger, bear against melee class

[vestal steppe]

He's asking for PVE

[hardy imp]

Yeah it's a really hard gameplay shift from barb im dying constantly and also can you start with spear or is that something you have to buy

[cosmic swan]

Yes that's the spear part xD

[atomic stag]

No matter how you say it. Whether the entire trio should total GS of 372. Or an avg of 124. Either way what I’m telling you is more than once today my friends and I were put in lobbies where that was not true. Last game I had when I first commented here. There was a trio. With these three GS. 52, 119, and 459. I thought this wasn’t possible. So unless I’m extremely bad at math. That’s an avg GS of 210. How I understand it, is each person can’t be over 124 to be put in the 25-124 bracket. Idk if it’s a bug or what but this is what has happened several times today. I guess I will have to record it and post it.

[daring lagoon]

if you level up and do some quests squire will start offering you a starter spear and with strength items from him like riveted gloves, padded tunic, heavy boots and straw hat you can 3-head skeletons and goblins easy, and in a pinch you can buy some from market or sometimes even weaponsmith

[rapid vapor]

You'd have to probably wear some will gear to negate the -buff duration they start with

[cosmic swan]

Recording it and #report-a-bug is a really good idea indeed

[cosmic swan]

Also in which server are you playing ? They used to turn off gearscore in server with low population last season. Maybe it's that?

[rapid vapor]

You shouldn't be using animal form on mobs. Basekit druid is on the weaker side, especially for their forms because of how they scale. I suggest clearing with spear and book and shifting for things you need like rat/chicken for mobility and escape, bear to push people away or to face tank, panther for chase down. You always have the option of getting out and healing up or trying to lock them down with wall and ent as well

[spare stag]

Are there any spears available as squire equipment?

[rapid vapor]

Yeah, if you want it for ranger you need to equip the perk that lets you use them. I think you need to do weaponsmith quests to unlock them, but i could be wrong

[atomic stag]

See I thought this might be the case as well. Which would make sense. And not sure either NA eat or west.

[cosmic swan]

You should have enough player in both NA tho

[daring lagoon]

exactly, with base knowledge you can run 4 spells, I like to use natures touch, mending grove, summon and thorn wall/entangling vines. For passives natural healing, sun and moon, shapeshift mastery and thorn coat and it does wonders in <25 lobbies

[marsh shuttle]

guys, at what movement speed would you be considered slow without weapons out?

[spare stag]

Want one for my Druid build I’ll try the weaponsmith quests thanks!

[cosmic swan]

329ms (I'm joking, i'll say under 300)

[daring lagoon]

depends on the class you play, eventually squire will start giving you spear, I'm not sure though if his offers expand on leveling or quest progress as he has no quests but my guess is that he levels up as you do quests for other merchants

[rapid vapor]

Once you do enough quests you can come in with a bit of knowledge gear and run most spells. But in solos you don't need access to most of them

[cosmic swan]

Nice guess. That's how it work

[rapid vapor]

Squire stuff becomes available by doing merchant quests. I just assume it's the weaponsmith specifically for all melee weapons.

[hardy imp]

I mean that makes more sense but it's really dumb that a man with a pokey stick does more damage than a 600 pound killing machine

[atomic stag]

agreed, especially for this time of day...and honestly it seems to be the 25-124 lobby only ive seen this

[rapid vapor]

If you stack enough strength you'll do arguably the most damage in the game in bear form. ~203, 225 with the buff active

[daring lagoon]

the only thing I'm left wondering is if squire expands his wares depending on whose quests you did, like if you do quests for weaponsmith you get more weapons etc. or is it more like checkpoints, so after doing X random quests he will start having more items in general

[cosmic swan]

Imo it's either cheater, or there is an exploit to go in lobby you shouldn't be

[hardy imp]

Yeah I've been destroyed by bears before it just sucks its unusable with squire gear/brand new character

[rapid vapor]

its linked to their affinity iirc. https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Squire

[daring lagoon]

I hit a traininig dummy with right-click for 300 damage with 42 str build, active E skill and bard buffs so yeah, highest one-hit dmg source in game

[daring lagoon]

Oh, there you go, 25 affinity for weaponsmith and squire gives you spear, literally one affinity quest

[atomic stag]

i hope neither...i hope im just dumb and dont understand...cause i really like the this change...otherwise whats the point of blue and green

[kindred remnant]

Does cleric cleanse work on ghost king stacks?

[dense yew]

how do you whisper people ?

[lyric maple]

You get HR rewards for your highest rank, right? Even if you for some reason go backwards in rank?

[daring merlin]

is there a reason why there are no training grounds to test damage etc whitout being in a game or something like testing the bosses whitout gaining anyloot ? because i want to try warlord but every run taking min 15 minutes just to be able to try him 1 time ( and this is not counting the 3/1 change for him to spawn) is kinda trash

[desert mica]

does anyone know if there is ap decay from not playing. can you just get to a rank and stop playing?

[cold spire]

you lose 10ap/hour after 2 days of not playing

[arctic rune]

are golden plate pants bugged rn?

[desert mica]

is that 2 days of not playing highroller of that bracket? or just not playing at all?

[cold spire]

at all

[rose herald]

Is there any way to know which version of Howling Crypts will come next? I need to visit Barracks and Old Tomb, but it's rolled the other version 5 times in a row.

[desert mica]

ok so i can get like demi god in 3s and then never play 3s again as long as im still playing that character doing like any other mode?

[cold spire]

i am kidding there is no decay. You can get to whatever rank u want and chill

[desert mica]

Rofl ok you sure

[vestal falcon]

Zero decay

[soft karma]

Make squire tasks cross progessonal

[cold spire]

yeah lol i was just messing with u

[rose herald]

No. I refuse to do that.

[oblique pecan]

why does everyone run the skeleton race on their characters

[rustic axle]

any updates on the training system, its been in development for years atp

[dry kite]

nightmare skeleton gives +10 armor rating and -10 magic res, and since armor rating matters more than magic res in general (as there are a lot more characters/moves involving physical damage), it ends up being a slight buff (+ skeletons are cool )

[vestal steppe]

I believe IM haven't say a word about that in a while. But I'm guessing next Wipe we'll gonna get something related. They seem to be taking the "Balancing" a little more serious lately, and now that druid released there's no reason to hold back the Training System

[coarse dock]

Ngl, the only thing keeping cleric from just straight up being better barb is the fact that he has no movement. Has decent pdr, healing, super slow on hit + similar damage to a barb, free prots

Cleric better frontliner than barb

[empty zealot]

Sucks how I paid extra for the white skeleton skin, but the really nice black one is locked forever

[finite wave]

HI How can I deal with the darkness? it's so dark and I get desperate. I can deal with the difficulty overall but what is the meta on lighting?

[empty zealot]

Maybe with 300-400+ gs

[coarse dock]

Honestly barb and fighter feels like they need some love

[jagged epoch]

Does anyone know what is the average filter after the combat score which is 25? Or directly after that number there are already purple people?

[deft lintel]

Throw torch with right click, go into settings and put brightness to max

[finite wave]

thanks

[rapid vapor]

It goes <25, 25-124, 125+

[summer geyser]

can anyone tell me where lever for wendigo is in dividing hill?

[arctic drum]

anyone want to pick up a new guy and help advance their learning in dd? ive got several level 20s

[rapid vapor]

behind the ice pillar you need something thats impact 5 or greater to break it

[shell aurora]

does copperlight armor have the same gear score weight as a regular green

[worn magnet]

Has anyone else busted open a barrel and found an anvil on top of a stump inside???

[sour osprey]

I found an am 47 once

[summer geyser]

thanks

[hearty pier]

What was the point of us buying the hold the line edition? Lmao

[finite island]

Yes, actually. Specifically in the circular room with the champion and wraith in it on Castle.

[dim cloud]

supporting devs

[dry kite]

funnee blue torch

[brazen finch]

yall rubberbanded too? Started insanely rubberbanding when i started fighting a warlock and died because of that

[barren minnow]

hey guys how do i get in the underground area in the pyramid in crypts?

[dry kite]

There's a lever on the south wall

[dawn sluice]

the quest "explore dark ritual room" is just entering and leaving enough?

[barren minnow]

thanks man

[vapid wind]

When they going to nerf the druids changing 3 times in mid-air with a macro?

[unborn spruce]

yeah

[cobalt comet]

Anyone down to try to do Frost Wyvern?

[dawn sluice]

thanks

[wheat ferry]

Boo this man

[plain stag]

To take your money and use it to build the ice caverns out of default unreal engine assets 🙂

For as cool as this game is, the devs are really technically inept.

[wheat summit]

second wind should not be a heal for 40% of your HP. it should be like 25% at most.

[lucid oar]

dwarf?

[tall canopy]

dwarf?

[raven turtle]

Being able to sustain a fight is like a fighters whole thing.
Is also based of DND second wind

[empty zealot]

then it should be changed to cooldown instead of campfire....

[raven turtle]

I do like how the incorporated essentially the mechanic of “short rests” using campfires. It’s actually a pretty clever way of doing it

[wheat summit]

yeah, i think no campfire is fair, but if its based on D&D second wind then they did a piss poor job of it, 5e fighters roll a d10+ fighter level, that is never 40% of their max hp, its 15-20% at best.

[sullen fossil]

who the f cares what it is on d&d lol

[empty zealot]

that's kind of a moot point, since we don't gain hit dice on level up... at lvl1 2nd wind is actually potentially more than 100% of the chars hp 😅

[wheat summit]

because a 40% max hp heal mid combat is actually so stupid, its not sustaining through a fight, its virtually full healing as soon as you start to lose.

[sullen fossil]

whats stupid is you complaining about fighters as a ranger

[wheat summit]

thats the icon i chose because i usually play ranger in d&d, doesnt mean i exclusively play ranger in dark and darker, you just sound stupid.

[raven turtle]

Did they change second wind recently? Feel like it used to be stronger
In dnd5e

[sullen fossil]

the sentiment would be true even if you substitute it for other ranged classes. you sound moronic

[empty zealot]

so now 40% is a full heal? 😅 also lets remember it takes 12 seconds, plenty of time to outdps it, so it really only helps if you let them get away and drop pressure on them

[raven turtle]

I think there are many much more egregious problems in DaD than second wind lmao

[wheat summit]

i play fighter, i still think its too much, just stop, youre only sounding like more and more of an a** with each message you sent.

[sullen fossil]

once they get past 10 hours of playtime theyll understand how dumb theyre being

and id rather sound like an ass than confidently wrong and stupid

[raven turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-good-garfield-hey-good-looking-hey-handsome-looking-in-the-mirror-gif-20294451

[wheat summit]

i have 100+ hrs this season alone, maybe 30 of those on fighter, just stop.

[empty zealot]

i'm just questioning your arguments, comparing it to D&D 2nd wind just makes it sound like you don't understand the balance of the game

[sullen fossil]

you have two other people disagreeing with your sentiment and youre telling me to stop?

[raven turtle]

To be fair DND5e only got Brought up cause I mentioned it

[wheat summit]

i havent lost a fight as fighter i can remember where ive had second wind up and i wasnt against a barb who can outdamage the heal.

[white bane]

Where the actual balls do I get a glimmer bangle?

[empty zealot]

sounds very anecdotal at best

[terse night]

Making a game is hard , unreal does a lot of heavy lifting for you but if something goes wrong you gotta experiment

[royal canopy]

Fighter is terrible this season, and will lose any matchup against any class that isn't wizard or rogue (which are in a terrible place)

[white bane]

Man how does it feel to be THIS wrong

[wheat summit]

youre just wrong.

[royal canopy]

Feels great kiting you silly fighters to death :) You dummies beating people who have no idea how to build for this meta and feeling good about yourselves

[glossy dawn]

love when a warlock abuses mechanics to be unkillable by barbs

[white bane]

What did he mean by this

[empty zealot]

fair enough if you think it should be changed, but nobody ever complains about this ability, it's balanced by taking a full 12 seconds and being 1 time use per fight

[glossy dawn]

getting onto a pole and just jumping because you have no range option for one

[wheat summit]

the one time use 99% of the time is all it takes, and you just keep extra campfires so you have it up for every fight.

[white bane]

How is that warlock specific at all? And you do have range, throw franciscas and disengage, just because you can't ooga booga statcheck him doesn't mean they're broken

[glossy dawn]

thats just one example and you can't be serious if your advice is francisca

[sullen fossil]

ur not contesting a warlock with franciscas come on bro

[royal canopy]

No one is contesting a warlock period, the class is broken af right now

[wheat summit]

nothing is forcing you to stay in that fight. they cant kill you if you just leave the room...

[empty zealot]

you can bring 10 campfire, but you can still only use it once per fight, compared to most other melee class abilities that has a 20-30 sec CD

[white bane]

If someone is standing out of your reach and not doing anything, just leave them be if you can't contest. They're not gonna add longbow to Barb just because you tried fighting with the low ground

[glossy dawn]

people going out of their way to miss the point

[sullen fossil]

why are you being so obtuse? idk if ur just as bad as dinen

[royal canopy]

Do you even having a point? @glossy dawn

[wheat summit]

you going out of your way to get yourself killed because you cant disengage from a fight

[subtle heart]

Literallt just Fran axes and Achilles will solve everyone problem

[white bane]

Nah, he's saying warlock is broken because he stood still on a high object. Anyone with any range ever is going to win a fight if you fight uphill against them with no sustained damage, just disengage, learn to use tactics

[empty zealot]

bringing achilles means you can' bring rage or savage roar though and frans are super limited and slow to throw now

[sullen fossil]

which is why the consensus is that ranged damage is overtuned right now? you could just not be dumb and agree with them. of course your only option as a barb is to disengage but thats to the merit of the warlock who is getting free damage in

[glossy dawn]

Dear god people, reading comprehension. Again it's one example but if you demand a second sure. they can literally just self heal their way and run away if they even begin to lose

[subtle heart]

Just like a solo archer can’t bring 5 shot and quick fire if they want knock back for solos???

[wheat summit]

what are you smoking so that its obtuse to say what to do in that situation?

[sullen fossil]

because theyre not asking what to do? you look dumber for every post you make so im just going to block you

[glossy dawn]

there's no counter play to warlock they just win

[white bane]

His example was that he was staying around a warlock he couldn't reach and taking damage, rather than just disengaging or throwing francs. I could easily say "wtf barb is so broken he just runs at me since I had no high ground"

[empty zealot]

just saying if a barb builds to chase and slow, they will be weak in melee, so it's not that easy, it's big tradeoffs, like wearing light armor so you wont be kited, but then your HP melts aways in melee

[wheat summit]

and you sound like more of an ass with each post you make so i guess we're even then.

[plain stag]

Still, I literally haven't seen a game outside student projects that uses pre-packaged assets this shamelessly.

[sullen fossil]

but that would be a poor argument because warlocks are superior to barbs because of the nature of their abilities and range, regardless of whether or not theyre on high ground. warlock is overtuned, period. you dont need to dispute a truth

[white bane]

What class is Worrior? Worrier? Does it worry you to death? Does it use anxiety to kill?

[wheat summit]

Dungeonborne...

[plain stag]

Look, I don't think there's shame in doing so, I just don't think you can pretend to be a "real" game developer while doing that. You're at a stage of learning.

[elfin fern]

how often do you guys see preteaming in norms? had a couple shitters where i was cooking one and the other came from the back

[white bane]

They have different purposes... Barb stat checks in melee, Warlock very slowly kills at range. It's asinine to say one's broken because you don't know how to play around it.

[wheat summit]

how many games have you made that have garnered any amount of attention. if you arent a "real" game dev yourself you have no ground to stand on.

[glossy dawn]

the irony of calling something else asanine

[sullen fossil]

your advice is to disengage and trade them at range with far worse damage. there is no playing around it. whats asinine is ignoring the consensus regarding a overtuned class to pretend that its perfectly balanced

[plain stag]

I'm a dev by no means, but I've made very small commits to a game called Beyond All Reason

[royal canopy]

It's asinine to call warlocks not broken lmao. There's no way you're playing this season

[white bane]

Your example of them being OP is they can stand on a pole. So... Most classes are OP because you unbound everything but your W and left click.

[sullen fossil]

never said any of that. theyre op because they can cast infintely with self heal and have utility

[plain stag]

@wheat summit I'm mostly just a backer of the game, but I've at least had a little taste of what it means to be a game dev. If just a small crumble.

[royal canopy]

You're also wrong. The only reason they're OP right now is because of this terrible movement speed meta that allows them to kite forever at MS cap

[wheat summit]

i dont think anyone is saying warlock isnt broken, we're saying they arent broken solely because they can stand on a pole and range down a character that doesnt use range, because ofc they can do that, thats how range works.

[sullen fossil]

why arent wizards op then

[white bane]

I wouldn't even call warlocks broken when Rangers just do what warlock does at 500% efficiency

[wheat summit]

ranger doesnt heal off every attack they hit you with.

[royal canopy]

Go figure it out yourself lmao Tell me how it goes

[warped solar]

Heal to full life ? Teach me your ways

[white bane]

They also don't have to expend health to do so, and can hit you from across a module, for several times the amount of damage a warlock does in multiple casts.

[sullen fossil]

so its because of the reasons i listed that wizards dont have access to you idiot

[white bane]

Don't give them free damage and you'll be fine. They can be frustrating sure, but I'd hardly call them overpowered.

[royal canopy]

Tsc Tsc, you're a bad player and it shows. Warlocks have been bad-average ever since they released. This is the first season they have been strong, guess why

[white bane]

I'd rate them 3rd as far as ranged heavy classes go personally. They require a lot of investment that can be done better for cheaper elsewhere

[wheat summit]

warlock attacks are almost hitscan, heals them, no cast limit. ranger is projectile, doesnt heal, and have to fill their inv with arrows, theyre not comparable.

[tawny robin]

magic heal warlocks have been one of the strongest builds in HR for a long time now lol.

[sullen fossil]

your argument is ms. wizards can reach the same ms if not higher so why arent they as strong? if you dont have an argument why are you replying? grow up

[nova ginkgo]

i love goign in lobbyies when i just started the game and i have to fitght lvl 180 rouges what a truley balnced game

[white bane]

Wizards are just as strong imo. The spells are much stronger and reach farther.

[wheat summit]

careful now, you dont wanna come of as "obtuse" do you? 💀

[sullen fossil]

i get it bro you struggle with producing an opinion that isnt moronic

[royal canopy]

This chat has the combined IQ of a redditor, I'm out

[white bane]

Joe Rogan out here saying my opinion is wrong. Lmao

[sullen fossil]

bro said ur wrong and had ms cap as his only argument as if its not accessible to other classes. idiots

[plain stag]

Skill issue

[white bane]

They're the best at kiting, but in straight up fights they are outdamaged and outtanked by most classes.

[royal canopy]

What class can better abuse MS than a class that can self heal and damage players while running around? It's the only class that can abuse MS this much lol It's so obvious. Now add that to the fact they're the only class with HITSCAN abilities in a meta where people are running around very fast, making it harder to aim.

[sullen fossil]

then use ur small brain for a second and add their ability to reset and skirmish to their strength as a whole

[wheat summit]

so that was a lie 😂

[plain stag]

Jokes aside, as a warlock player myself, the class really does need a nerf.

[white bane]

That is their entire strength, yes. Their lack of range and upfront damage makes them good in single games, but they're terrible in threes outside of buffing teammates and minor chip damage. Their lack of range and proper damage leads to lots of lost fights. They're overtuned a bit in higher ranks, but weak at mid gear. It's not that crazy.

[royal canopy]

To be fair, the first part wasn't lmao I'm on the lobby waiting to get in

[sullen fossil]

so how am i wrong when i said its UTILITY is part of what makes it strong? you literally only said MS when i talked about what you just said. god you are so dumb

[royal canopy]

How is dealing damage while running "utility"? Infinite resources isn't utility either. The only utility warlock has is phantomize as an escape tool. You haven't given a single good argument buddy

[white bane]

I'd rather kill someone in 3 shots on ranger than use 15+ spells on warlock and have my entire team be dead.

[noble zodiac]

hydra is one of the best utility spells around, can block a whole hallway in crypts

[glad pasture]

what can be best class with cleric for duo and trio pls

[royal canopy]

2 more clerics

[sullen fossil]

i said "never said any of that. theyre op because they can cast infintely with self heal and have utility". virtually what you proceeded to say. use a dictionary and work on your reading comprehension you uneducated idiot

[royal canopy]

Tsc Tsc Someone is angsty

[wheat summit]

who are you killing in 3 shots as ranger other than a rogue or wizard...

[sullen fossil]

who in their right mind says tsc tsc whered you even get this from? tone down the anime

[plain stag]

Warlocks xD

[surreal fiber]

how else to get a looted royal gem besides looting? been hunting them since wipe. im 3 of 4 now and ive lost patience. cmon ironmace. why make the drop rate so effin poor????????

[royal canopy]

I have god and anime by my side, buddy. You're cooked

[white bane]

Cleric, PDR fighter. Pen Longbow headshots

[devout briar]

why doesnt the Static Attribute filter work on the market

[wheat summit]

bro had nothing else other than to start attacking your vocabulary 💀

[royal canopy]

Should I make fun of the fact he doesn't capitalize words correctly? Is this a good argument? #iamverysmart #nerfwarlocks

[wheat summit]

[balmy fable]

apparently my in game mic has pretty low volume, in discord and every other game its fine, I even cranked the input to be 100 any fixes?

[novel vector]

yelling should work

[ember beacon]

Anybody else notice how magic weapons with MAGIC PEN as a random attribute, lose the 5% 10% 15% magic penetration that came to the updateupdate was suppose to be

[royal canopy]

@ember beacon Wait really?

[surreal fiber]

check. maybe you're on proximity, the farther you are the lower you are heard.

[balmy fable]

i was checking with my friend in duos, and was standing next to him

[spare stag]

Any clues if they plan to add character customization or is it only through micro transaction skins ?

[barren minnow]

i mean were they dropped after the update or before?
cause if they dropped before they still have legacy stats

[royal canopy]

Wait, it does lose the static magic pen. All of them. This is a pretty huge bug

[ember beacon]

yea its weird af like if you go to trade and check the magic weapons with magic pen they lose the weapon modifier

[barren minnow]

and i dont think they should be able to roll it now (since you cant roll stats you have bye default)

[runic veldt]

if we get to demigod do we get rewards when they release the season rewards? for season 3?

[royal canopy]

Maybe that's why it's bugging out with the static magic pen

[sly frost]

Hey guys other then a land mine or unbelievably stupid positioning, what is the counter to a 320 + movement speed warlock. God tier ranger maybe ? Solo i mean

[ember beacon]

well they dont do legacy items anymore and so its weird that the items are still being droped with the stat bug, either way needs a fix

[royal canopy]

None. Unless they fuck up, you are dying, if you choose to engage

[barren minnow]

O they stopped with it?

[glossy dawn]

ms meta is crushing my soul

[ember beacon]

yea they will change the items if the patch changes you wont have a original version of item ever

[waxen wadi]

what happens when you are killed on the escape rope?
does your body fall?

I had an opportunity to magic missile someone on a escape rope in gc, and I was just a bit slow and unable to kill the person. that being said I wonder what would have happened.

I found a glitch a while back that allows you to keep your weapons equipped while climbing the rope. this would allow you to shield or cast spells against other players on your way up. (to be clear this is done by opening your inventory while interacting with the rope).

that being said if you are unkillable while climbing, then this would be irrelevant.

[royal canopy]

It's trash. Worst meta ever, somehow even worse than Barb/Wizard/Cleric deathball

[glossy dawn]

how dare I try to run anything other than 300+ ms 😭

[tender tartan]

does the demon form abilty heal with magical healing?

[royal canopy]

Bruh, got to the point where anything under 310 ms is death. CLERICS are outrunning rogues lmao

[glossy dawn]

everyone is jumping around like it's a kung fu movie

[waxen wadi]

it's buffed by vampirism. it's not affected by magical healing though, as the amount healed is 5% of the targets max health.

you can tell if it does get affected (like with torture mastery) because there arn't multipliable numbers after the 5%. for eg "curses inflicted upon enemies restores 2(0.1) health to the caster".

if the demon form ability heal scaled with magical healing, it would have a number in brackets beside the 5%, and that number would represent the amount of magical healing added i the form of your magical healing multiplied by the decimal.

in the case of torture mastery, the number is 0.1
so if your magical healing is 20, the you would add 20 x 0.1

[somber mason]

So whats going on with this games hit stun nowadays?? In mechanical skill based games like this, you are supposed to be PUNISHED for misplays/getting hit. It is most commonly in the form of hitstun/hitslow. Is it true that they have reduced this to essentially be nonexistent now? I am noticing that people can frequently just RUN away from you regardless of getting hit. This is very very frustrating. I remember the devs saying something about making the game more beginner friendly or something but this is making agility builds be beyond broken and skill-based play almost completely irrelevant. I am...very very annoyed.

[grand shadow]

anyone else want to play this game but there's no class that really speaks to you?

[fleet violet]

Wtf is wrong with the quest Unscathed Escape (Survive in the Crytps 3 times without taking any damage.) I've escaped 6 times now without taking any damage on crypts and it says 1/3?????

[zealous chasm]

Loving these unique items looted in High Roller!

[raven turtle]

Play fighter

You get to roleplay as half of the classes in the game.
They just need to add like an arcane knight perk or some shit now

[zealous chasm]

So many classes to choose from, but none speaks to you?
This is what happens when the poor are given choices...they can't decide.

[raven turtle]

💀

[remote zodiac]

how much are gold coin chests

[glossy dawn]

movement speed is busted right now period

[shy pine]

How come some player's names are red in game?

[tardy fern]

is renting additional storage space worth it? any weird catches i need to know about

[zealous chasm]

They received negative feedback on their play in game by other team mates.
Some deserve it, some asked for it as they want their name in red.
Don't play in teams with them.

[elfin fern]

you're able to rate teammates after the game up or down; up is blue, red is down. some people just get red for the hell of it

[blazing latch]

When is ironmace going to actually nerf clerics? are the devs playing cleric this season or something, wtf

[remote zodiac]

HOLY I JUST GOT ONE

[somber mason]

The cleric you see now is already nerfed. What issues are you having against them? lol

[wheat ferry]

Does the skewered food emote happen anytime you sit down or only when at a campfire?

[zealous chasm]

Everyone just get off the whole nerf train and get good.
No class is OP, people are just able to play it better than others.
The Wiz and Rogue have been nerfed hard enough.
Let's pardon the Rogue, give him taps he can spread around the dungeon that does elemental damage - like Teemo in LoL.

[raven turtle]

They just got buffed, they’ve been 1 tapping peeps left and right and are a hard counter to fighters

Fighter needs to land first hit, get a free hit in, and then not miss any hits otherwise Cleric just 2-3 taps him in the head

[zealous chasm]

They can only one tap people...if those people have garbo gear and are clueless how to fight.

[cursive phoenix]

do you guys know if gold counts for ap?

[calm mirage]

there is a trade section in the discord??

[raven turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/h3cO4Bhq85

[soft karma]

Make squire gear tasks cross progressional

[zealous chasm]

As soon as I saw reddit, I started laughing. Get off that toxic pile of text spam and join the real world.

[raven turtle]

So as funny as I want to reply to that statement, look anyway, it’s a video, and they’ve disabled posting videos here so it’s the best way I can demonstrate it

[zealous chasm]

Grrrr, fair enough, I'll take a look.

[zealous chasm]

Aye, but you have no idea how low that Rogue opponent was on life.
I had a Rogue attack my Ranger today, I hit him once with my Rapier and he backed off, way off.
I was like wtf? So I pulled out my bow and hit him once and he went down.
His corpse had no Health pots, so I assumed my first hit with a decent rapier and Rapier Mastery scared him enough to make him run.
Rogues pop like baby balloons anyway.

[raven turtle]

#cleric message

[cobalt comet]

The Barbarian faces a fundamental issue: it doesn't excel in any specific area. In character design, it's crucial to prioritize natural talents to ensure usefulness in high-stakes scenarios. Most players prioritize Melee Damage, Range Damage, Survivability, Utility, and Speed.

Initially, the Barbarian performs well in lower-level scenarios with strong base stats and high damage output. However, as you progress beyond the starting phase, it falls behind every other class. Attempting to specialize in any of the mentioned talents without compromising others is impossible. Moreover, achieving proficiency in these areas as a Barbarian demands prohibitively expensive gear, yet still fails to match the effectiveness of other classes.

Consider prioritizing Damage and Survivability. Despite starting strong, the Barbarian's lack of effective range damage severely hampers progress in later stages, resulting in sluggish gameplay and vulnerability to other classes.

Opt for Speed and Damage instead? While advantageous in some encounters, the Barbarian lacks survivability, requiring impeccable skill to avoid quick defeat. Certain fights may become insurmountable without exploiting enemy mistakes.

Choosing Range and Utility reveals the Barbarian's shortcomings: diminished range capability post-nerfs and negligible utility.

Overall, the Barbarian excels at nothing and achieves mediocrity in a few aspects only through significant investment and sacrificing performance in other crucial areas.

[raven turtle]

Check the link, dudes explanation of how he’s hitting over like 110 on a staff

[somber mason]

Well the are supposed to counter Fighters, as they are the armor pen class. Regarding them just getting buffed, I would ask what you are even referring too. Because blunt mastery was just nerfed, actually. As for one tapping peeps, I don't think so my man. I do think clerics can deal a bit too much damage with high tier scaled gear, but im assuming thats why they recently nerfed blunt mastery.

[raven turtle]

I don’t think cleric is supposed to hard counter fighters, otherwise why do fighters exist if clerics just auto win AND can cast magic to heal etc

[compact kiln]

Can you no longer access the secret room with the royal coffin in the high preists tile in forgotten dungeons? The one that you typically spawn right next to with the skeleton champion

[raven turtle]

This man explains he can do 112 through 30/30 PDR/MR, which means anyone that doesn’t die to 1 hit dies to 2

[verbal swift]

Will nightmare skeleton return? or even regular skeleton?

[somber mason]

No, they definitely are a counter to fighters, they are the armor pen class. This is also only if they take a tanky build as opposed to a light support build. And Clerics are most certainly not auto winning OR healing mid-fight against fighters if the fighter is competantly...."fighter-ing". haha. Overall I recommend getting a little more familiar with the game and fighting mechanics and you won't have as much of a hard time dealing with them. Although I do agree with you that higher tier equipment for clerics go a touch too far espeically if they stack blunt weapon mastery.

[iron panther]

Does anyone get an issue where they can't attack or switch weapons/interact?

[rapid vapor]

I had it happen once. I fixed it by putting them away with x and pulling them out again

[iron panther]

That doesnt seem to fix it :/

[turbid pine]

These enemy/room based quests are really killin me
I want to play more on my second character but I want to keep progressing quests on my first >:(

I wish all quests were item based

[wraith smelt]

love getting gassed through a solid wall

[elfin fern]

room quests are dumb with rng maps, i dont mind enemy quests as long as they're guaranteed

i also super hate item fetch quests, esp if they depend heavily on rng

[tired sail]

How the heck y’all beat cave troll I have cyclops down so that I can beat him almost every time , cave troll just one shots me and if I’m not perfectly positioned he roars and if it hits I’m basically dead, and then he chains attacks together sometime

[elfin fern]

what class are you? i have the exact opposite problem

[neat wagon]

Hi, when is the season end?

[zenith lintel]

anyone else having power over use on their pc when running dad?

[tired sail]

I’ve tried multiple classes , mainly rogue barbarian and warlock, beaten cyclops on like every clsss in the game but haven’t beat troll once

[unborn spruce]

for me troll is easy mode. Cyclops is hard for me

[tired sail]

Wth 😂, cyclops is a walk in the park but troll just one shots me with a combo or the scream every single time

[rapid vapor]

If you space yourself perfectly troll won't ever hit you

[tired sail]

Cyclops you just dodge jump right every time besides he’s special move which you jump jump duck , and during rock fall I found if you just sit on his butt and jump you’ll dodge most the rocks

[turbid pine]

the dust is hella inconsistent to dodge
so its better to just lean into your monitor and power through it lool

[rapid vapor]

As long as you're crouch jumping right you shouldn't be getting blinded. That said, it's not very impactful for me at least

[alpine lance]

is there a way to dodge the roar attack without relying on the 50/50 on cave troll? im trying to beat it with a trio and sometimes it switches aggro randomly so dodging the roar is not viable

[unique sun]

why is my push to talk not working guys!

[rapid vapor]

You don't want to do troll with more than one person or he will randomly switch aggro and unless everyone is perfectly spaced there's a strong chance 1 or more people will die. Usually you bait his attack by standing toward his right, wait for the leather squeak sound for the horizontal swing, then hit him, or side step the one handed overhand and headshot him. Repeat until he does the 2 handed attack then walk a safe distance and walk back in after the slam. Repeat until dead

[devout briar]

im so confused, i had a gear score of less than 200, and i just died to someone with a gear score of almost 400 in normals, isnt there a 299 threshhold before u can have any gear score?

[unborn spruce]

over 124 is anything goes

[devout briar]

wtf since when , 124 is like nothing, i thought it was 299, is this a recent change
also is gear score accurate, because everytime iplay a naked normals game my gearscore is default 9, but it says im over 25

[unborn spruce]

brackets are >25 >125

[rapid vapor]

It's been 25-124 and 125+ for a few weeks i think

[turbid pine]

the "recent" change was the 125 bracket
before it was just <25 and ≥25

there's never been anything past that lol

[devout briar]

idk where i got 299 from

[drowsy iris]

Do stash-tab prices always double? Trying to determine if/when it starts making sense to buy gold coin bags.

[raven turtle]

Tbh just play the game and you’ll end up in the quest rooms by accident

[turbid pine]

wizard seems interesting
how bad could it be

[raven turtle]

I went to hell looking for Ruby silver the other day and accidentally finished 6 quests

[raven turtle]

mans doesn’t know

[trail fiber]

I wish the inventory would sort vertically instead of horizontally

[buoyant flint]

druid door tech should not be in the game

[oblique pecan]

im having trouble picking what class to play. I'm level 47 on warlock and 43 on bard, so i know how to play each of them relatively well.

Which would be better for solos? trios? in general?
Originally i was playing warlock, then i thought that i could get into teams easier by buffing everyone. So i tried bard, but bard is very hard for me but im not sure if its 100% worth it for both solos + trios. Thoughts?

[glacial sedge]

there is no gear score rankings right? like we are split up by gear? Like either your in greys max ilevel 25 or you get people in any gear right?

[oblique pecan]

its sub 25 (>25), 25-125, and 125+ but it think theres another after 125

[rapid vapor]

Bard is great at solos and trios, but is very micro intensive. If you bought the game, which i assume you did, I'd try everyone until they're around 20 so you can get a feel for what you like to play

[turbid pine]

there are three lobbies for norms based on your gear score
0-24
25-124
125+

high roller has one combined lobby--gear score is not considered

[glacial sedge]

the only reason i asked is i see people in LFG mention it. But im like 100+ games deep and have gone into normals with legandaries and fought people with like 2 greens haha so feels made up

[oblique pecan]

i didn't just buy the game, i have 80 hours and i played it a ton back in the day, i started playing it again about 5-6 days ago, so i'm pretty confident i want to play either warlock or bard.

My thoughts - bard seems like the better pick, but it takes a ton of time to get good at especially in a team sense. Warlock seems more user friendly, but doesn't seem that powerful in a team sense. what do you think?

[rapid vapor]

HR has no gearscore bracketing if that helps

[glacial sedge]

yea no most of my games are in normals

[alpine lance]

I know doing it solo is better but yk i just wana beat it together with the boys on a saturday night. i wish ironmace would make the attack after the roar not a 50/50 and have the 2 attacks have visualy distinct wind up.

[raven turtle]

0-24, 25-124, 125+

[rapid vapor]

Bards a good pick if you prefer to buff/debuff and still do good damage. Warlock is better if you prefer to be more kill oriented

[oblique pecan]

gotcha, thank you

[tardy sandal]

Playing warlock will make you bad at pve in other classes

[topaz temple]

does anyone know where the death altar location is?

[dusky gull]

ssssss stuttering

[dawn coral]

thoughts on Druid's Spirit Bond?

[safe gull]

Holy cow the lag in servers is insane rigth now

[sudden grove]

someone now Why I have a recurve bow without the 10% pen ?

[zinc spruce]

anyone know why the game randomly freezes sometimes

[crisp oak]

What is the trick to the maze room in the ice cavern?

[lethal vigil]

are all the wolf drops the same chance? i need wolf fangs for a quest but only ever get pelts

[wise shale]

they should add a notification for a marketplace sale in the character select screen

[warm carbon]

Am I still able to buy founders edition?

[cosmic swan]

No, maybe they plan to add it back some day tho

[midnight crown]

the skeleton warlord has defeated me, i can solo every high roller inferno and goblin caves boss with ease, but i just cant with warlord, HES TOO STRONG

[cosmic swan]

He's the hardest boss of the game (With the wyvern)

[tame widget]

Let me guess your playing warlock?

[midnight crown]

duh, how else am i gonna defeat HR lich as solo... only possible really on warlock, and maybe cleric

warlock for bosses

Fighter for fun/pvp

[tame widget]

Parry fighter if your the goat you can kill warlord with alot of attempts

[midnight crown]

lich would be pretty hard on fighter

[tardy sandal]

Just do parry warlock against warlord, or you can just hellfire spam and learn to dodge him, he’s pretty easy to dodge if you know his attacks

[livid yoke]

On the 2nd layer of forgotten castle (normal gamemode) can u get unique drops?

[tardy sandal]

No

[devout trench]

Can you use magic as a fighter?

[tardy sandal]

No

[remote yoke]

when will they add dwarves as a playable race?

[cosmic swan]

If you have a book, the Spell Memory skill and a few spell you can. But those was dark time. We don't talk about it

[cosmic swan]

Probably never, a race with smaller hitbox would be way to strong and unbalanced. The downside of the class would be make it not worth playing to counter the small hitbox imo

[haughty hatch]

Is there no fog of war slowly shrinking in anymore? I'm playing solos and I just suddenly died to blizzard - is there more guaranteed exits and I should rely on portals a bit less since there's no guarantee they'll spawn in the small zone that the fog was shrinking to earlier in development?

[tired fractal]

is the server down rn ?

[storm gale]

I can't connect either nvm got in

[zealous skiff]

yes. it called second wind

[winged swift]

Yes there is no fog now and yes there are a lot more static exits and if on crypts more static red portals as well

[last light]

How do you get the frost skeleton race in 2024? It'd be nice to have on my rogue

[scenic leaf]

People that have the full game (Legendary), was the price worth it?

[winter dock]

how come my blow of corruption is not consuming my dark shards?

[echo wedge]

can someone tell me if i should buy this

[cobalt comet]

The Barbarian faces a fundamental issue: it doesn't excel in any specific area. In character design, it's crucial to prioritize natural talents to ensure usefulness in high-stakes scenarios. Most players prioritize Melee Damage, Range Damage, Survivability, Utility, and Speed.

Initially, the Barbarian performs well in lower-level scenarios with strong base stats and high damage output. However, as you progress beyond the starting phase, it falls behind every other class. Attempting to specialize in any of the mentioned talents without compromising others is impossible. Moreover, achieving proficiency in these areas as a Barbarian demands prohibitively expensive gear, yet still fails to match the effectiveness of other classes.

Consider prioritizing Damage and Survivability. Despite starting strong, the Barbarian's lack of effective range damage severely hampers progress in later stages, resulting in sluggish gameplay and vulnerability to other classes.

Opt for Speed and Damage instead? While advantageous in some encounters, the Barbarian lacks survivability, requiring impeccable skill to avoid quick defeat. Certain fights may become insurmountable without exploiting enemy mistakes.

Choosing Range and Utility reveals the Barbarian's shortcomings: diminished range capability post-nerfs and negligible utility.

Overall, the Barbarian excels at nothing and achieves mediocrity in a few aspects only through significant investment and sacrificing performance in other crucial areas.

[cobalt kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/WRHZ9Jr.png
Which door is this for the quest "Inferno's Iron Door"?
nvm got an answer

[raw inlet]

the silver undead dmg weapons stacks each other? like dual rondel + shortsword for 30% dmg?

[zealous skiff]

12% rage mspeed and 2 stack francesca would be nice

[dawn depot]

incompentent devs remove all the side lobbies only one lobby at a time we dont want crappy empty lobbies

[midnight cloak]

does anyone know how to fix game frame stuttering ill have 200fps but then freeze down to 40 randomly any fixes?

[livid berry]

dx12 version is completely unplayable for me

[zealous skiff]

try capping the fps 60/120. you dont need 200 FPS

[vernal moon]

to whoever that warlock was that I just fought for 8 minutes in ice caves, I hope a brick falls and hits your head

[zealous skiff]

brick fall wont kill warlock

[tired sail]

yall know if stacking will or knowledge is better for dmg on curse warlock

[hidden citrus]

bro theres stats called magical dmg and true magical dmg?

[vagrant furnace]

Just accidentally turned in leggo scroll and pot for alt quest. FACKK

[grave tiger]

game is pointless to even try and play for me now

[vagrant furnace]

You wanna talk about it Honey?

[grave tiger]

keep randomly desyncing and then unable to do anything until i get DC'd and can come back in

[drowsy iris]

Is Soul Collector good even if one is only using it for Bolt of Darkness and Dark Reflection? Also, does Dark Reflection deal more damage if it triggers while holding a spellbook as opposed to one's melee weapon?

[subtle heart]

Did the Server disconnect anyone else?

[hexed blade]

i've redownloaded the game multiple times, and i keep getting "can't connect to server" errors and getting booted. any ideas?

[cosmic swan]

That's the plan. if you had looked at the last hot fix (or even the wipe patchnote) you would know that a new matchmaking system is coming soon and that it should fix that

[proven wigeon]

so crystal sword just sucks huh

[plain hedge]

is using the skelly skin potentially throwing your game a bit because of the decreased AR? Like why do people run the skelly bro? Am i missing some hidden tech?

[proven wigeon]

i run it cause its badass

[zealous chasm]

Oh well yeah, they are going to turn the start of the game into a Hunger Games like Dash for gear!

[wheat ferry]

Waiting for map rotation kills me

[cursive arch]

anybody get a bug with cyclops not moving or attacking and not being able to be killed?

[woven grove]

nerf rogue

[winged swift]

Magical power increases how much I heal with my spells as cleric, correct?

[cursive arch]

i think only magical healing affects your spells healing effect as cleric i could be wrong.

[raw inlet]

magical damage affect magical healing

[narrow flame]

In past seasons, what rank did you have to be to get the season skin?

[mental sedge]

will is better knowledge only really affects your cast speed if you doodoo at landing spells knowledge if you can aim or know what aimlabs is then get will

does anybody even enjoy the kite and run meta? like even the people that play it? why the hell would they make it so people with range can outrunn you forever

[jovial goblet]

still no nerfs

[bright isle]

hey I bought the 15 redstone shards to purchase the full game and it took the money from my steam wallet I have the receipt for the purchase but Im yet to receive it in game its been more than a week and I havent got any help. No-one has replied to my tickets

[median tundra]

for the perk pickpocket does the player your pick pocketing have to be in your reach the entire time wile your pick pocketing them to steal an item?

[bleak cobalt]

I don’t believe so

[hasty valley]

nope, as long as u can start the pick pocket dont matter if they walk away from your range

[lament pine]

can someone help me, regarding teaming in solosfirst in normals, its bs, now i reach HR same shit grinder i have to go through, whats the ban for teaming

how do i record and where to upload, ive only 2.8ghz proc and rx580, hows the overhead will it affect my gameplay. do i NEED video evidence. Why isnt this enforced

*3.8ghz.

[fleet creek]

why did they give druid everything

games been on a downward trajectory since i got it like 9 months ago

[pliant zinc]

Terrible take💀 game has never been better except like a few things

[stone fog]

Remove druid momentum between animals and were good

[humble jay]

12s invis on wizard + no afterimage+ no footstep audio + ignite dagger hitting 120+ was really fun right?

[fleet creek]

Glaze me harder baby

[nova tulip]

is the game alright? i just updated and the game is stucked at the loading into match screen

[pliant zinc]

Imma glaze you then your daddy

[fleet creek]

So you’re just proving my point the games always been bad 😭

[humble jay]

EU Has been having issues past few days if that applies to you

@fleet creek and your point was that it was on a downward trajectory, i think it got better but go off ig

[stone fog]

Dies to bonk wizard says game bad lmao

[fleet creek]

From trash to trash

[inland apex]

nerf cleric please iron mace wtf if this meta rn..its cringe

[humble jay]

leave the disc then, dont wanna muddy up your server list with trash right?

[stone fog]

Rather cleric be broken then any other class tbh at least you can kite clerics

[fleet creek]

You gonna cry?

[pliant zinc]

That would require way too many wrinkles for his brain. It’s clearly too smooth to form logical thought.

[humble jay]

maybe, you gonna snuggle me and tell me everythings okay if i do?

[sour osprey]

damn next update looking spicy 2:23 is that an ice giant?

[humble jay]

2:23 where? 😮

[fleet creek]

You’re 🏳️‍🌈

[sour osprey]

on the trailer

[broken tangle]

they are the typical fantasy melee pvp gamer, just ignore 🙂

[humble jay]

The summergamesfest trailer is outdated if thats what youre talkin about, all that stuffs in the game already

[sour osprey]

yeah thiers an ice giant havent seen it in game yet

[fresh locust]

Agree. Honestly I dont see negative points anymore to this game. Trade system is perfect now, classes quite balanced. Im just waiting for an Arena to be able to 1v1 but even this... it will turn this game into a tryharder game so maybe bs idea. Dont know

[humble jay]

Inside the frost mountain map you can find 2 kinds of "frost giants" that are kinda ice giant-y if those are what youre seeing in the trailer

[broken tangle]

the problem with the arena is that a subset of gamers who want the ring and their one special rat strat back, dont want the arena 🙂

[mental sedge]

fucking hate kiters your like a rat dog nipping at ankles you always die eventually just accept it and play a better class

[pliant zinc]

For a bit arena will be ncie because it will take all the super PVP players away from the dungeon

[stone fog]

Ah yes let a caster or archer have a face to face fight with a 70% pdr cleric doing 120+ dmg a swing

[broken tangle]

i dont think they will go to the arena. im sure they will play shirtless kiters and pester the discord 😄

[fresh locust]

But i want super pvp in dungeon. I like the kinder surprise effect when i encounter a player like is he going to be good or not... for those who played sea of thieves, dev stop arena in SOT because it divided the player base too much

[humble jay]

Cant wait for arena, hopefully has a big enough incentive to play without completely negating the need to play the base game

[mental sedge]

hence the play a better class part if you learn to read maybe you woudnt look like a dipshxt, or have to rely on running with your tail between your legs for 5 minutes

[stone fog]

Play a better class lol a class your referring to is barb or fighter which both suck rn

[humble jay]

if youre dying to people running away then maybe you need to play the better class (sarcasm)

[plain stag]

How do I complete the kill wizard quest? I haven't seen a wizard in 30+ runs now

[broken tangle]

i think the responsibility is with the designers. The fact of kiting for me is a design is broken. But its difficult to design away kiting without punishing other interactions. My suggestion for solving kiting is more randomized dungeons with random spawns and hard hitting ranged mobs.

[mental sedge]

thats a skill issue on your part lmfao ive cleared lobbys with a barb and a fighter duo and solo in below 25 and 125

[humble jay]

<125gs lobbies dont count

[broken tangle]

can you move this conversation to general its stupid

[stone fog]

Below 25 and 125 exactly lol play trios into double warlock cleric see how u do

[mental sedge]

your joking anything above that is just getting out geared

[broken tangle]

can you move this emotionally crippled conversation to DM's or general where it belongs.

[plain stag]

Please for the love of god, buff wizard so I can see some wizards. I'm getting desperate guys. Can I snipe someone's wizard? Lmao.

[mental sedge]

thats why yall play like bxtches your so worried about your purple chest peice you have to run the second someone looks at you funny, also baburu were talking about the game balance if you dont have anything to add go to general lmfao

[broken tangle]

you arent talking about game balance you are trying to chat pvp. none of it is game discussion.

[stone fog]

Solos above 125 is prob ur best option and hope u can kill the geared bonk wizard i see one every few games

[plain stag]

ty

[humble jay]

i mean most of my playtime in the game is in HR where theres no GBMM. Positioning wins fights more than gear does in my experience, even a 200gs gap can be made up with just one extra hit depending on the classes

[fleet creek]

Just bc you agree doesn’t make it true bubba

[mental sedge]

chatting about how the pvp is trash because of kite meta because everyone playing those classes go " wahwahwah i cant fight solo when im a squishy damage dealer from range wahwah why shouldnt a run for 5 minutes to kill one guy wah wah wah" thats a game discussion

[fleet creek]

All y’all are goofy for not address class balance first and foremost

[oak summit]

They're balanced

[broken tangle]

no it isnt. all you are doing is trying to vent frustration about some peoples choices ingame and project a responsibility onto them that is 100% a design issue. your immature way of holding a conversation is gen pop stuff.

[mental sedge]

your absolutely right but its a shit shoot, the game is more gear than skill anyway so if people have neither they go for kiting because that the only way they can play and do anything, kinda pathetic

[fleet creek]

😭

[subtle heart]

Heh

[oak summit]

Idk man sounds like a skill issue

[broken tangle]

its a mistake to provide competitive game loops in early access because balance topics takes on abnormal proportions

[fleet creek]

Nah you just don’t have an argument 😭

[mental sedge]

bro are you still here? from what you say it seems you can read, unfortunately the brain power used to read inhibits your brain to understand what your reading lmfao