game-discussion

[deep galleon]

As if it isn't. Move speed is still supreme in trios.

Especially in engagements with melee classes or Ranger.

[elfin fern]

it may not be intended, but the fact is that they have a playerbase that likes solos and have a ranked leaderboard built around it. if you're going to have any kind of competitive queue you should be balancing around it as well

[opal token]

Rangers are some lint lickers

[scenic hornet]

Solos is what will keep this game alive if it stays alive imo

Also how is ms a non issue in trio ? Legit curious cuz i almost never trio

[elfin fern]

i think i have encountered maybe one friendly ranger in the ice caves, every single other one has been an instantly hostile hard-chasing sweatlord

[deep galleon]

The only other way I can see them reducing kiting is by making everyone's move speed universal and make Sprint a mechanic that replaces slow walking and has a stamina system. And Vigor increases the duration you can sprint.

[brisk mason]

I mean dodge there ranged attacks. use burst abilities, you dont need to infininelty run down a kiting class. thats not how you play the game.

same thing as how you dont run and try to strait up 1v1 a pdr fighter as a squishy class like rogue or ranger.

[opal token]

Make crafting great again. Cut that squire boy off from giving these abusers unlimited free ammo.

[elfin fern]

i'm a bard, i don't have burst abilities. they are better at dodging since they move faster, and they outdps me with quad shot and true stack. my only play is pretty much to run

[deep galleon]

Another way I can also see them reducing kiting is by literally nerfing Rogue and Ranger's agility stats.

[warped raft]

making it universal will make all the squishies useless, they should have never lowered it in the 1st place and left it alone so the squish classes still stand a chance. the way it is now all the powerhouse classes like fighter and barb can max ms

[deep galleon]

Which I mean, Ranger's agility stat should actually be hard nerfed since that's how you balance a zoner class character in any video game.

[gilded prairie]

I'm a trios player; and I can say confidently that both trios and solos is hurt by the map design and zone control.

Whether in solo or trios; in my opinion you should be able to set yourself up in a room for a proper engagement, and have some sort of choice in the engagements you're putting yourself in.

The way the modules are set up, and the way zone pushes you together; that isn't exactly the case right now. That might be fine in some circumstances; but after hundreds or thousands of games - it starts to get a little tedious constantly getting pushed into bad positions or third parties because of map design and zone.

I never really said anything about move speed lol.

[brisk mason]

bard can go rlly fast with buffs, can fight back with ranged. doesnt need to just chase in a strait line endlessly

[elfin fern]

i know that, but my point is that it's overwhelmingly a losing battle with no chance to melee engage

[brisk mason]

its not though lol

[gilded prairie]

If a geared bard gets a shriek of weakness on you, he will SHRED you in melee combat lol

[scenic wren]

brother. you have a survival bow, arguably the best ranged weapon in the game. wtf are you on about

[warped raft]

problem is you see mostly beefy classes and others cant toe to toe with them so why would they engage in melee as opposed to running and poking to win the fight, going head on is just suicide for the weaker classes

[gilded prairie]

Everyone talks about balancing this and balancing that, changing stats, nerfing damage - blah blah blah.

In my opinion; we just need much more utility added to the game to change how we engage with classes.

People mentioned one time scrolls you can use for spells, maybe add an oil slick that slows enemies, dangling chandeliers that you can shoot and have it fall on someone, barrels that you can push down stairs. Idk

These are all pretty shitty examples; but my point is that I think the game would be better served thinking of unique ways for us to engage rather than everything just be about damage and speed and health.

[warped raft]

we need a stamina system that involves dodging and parrying. the way fights are now it all comes down to someone looking like a complete idiot twisting and jumping and what else to try and dodge attacks or ranged weapons. without a way to properly dodge or parry an attack there is little strategy involved in any fight

[soft birch]

skills are like stamina

[scenic wren]

We do not need stamina, it wouldn't change anything. The kiting classes would realistically have more stamina

[soft birch]

with cd

[gilded prairie]

Everything will be fixed if they add a Monk class.

[scenic wren]

yeah, a stamina system would just slow the entire game down, as if it wasn't slow enough

[soft birch]

true

[gilded prairie]

PLEASE IRONHAMMER. GIVE ME MY MONK

[soft birch]

stop nerf stats but make changes

[warped raft]

the game should be slowed down, otherwise why not just make everything a one hit kill and whoever lands the 1st blow

[soft birch]

it has been slowed down already

[warped raft]

of course no one wants stamina cause you all like to jump around i get it

[undone belfry]

tru damage needs to be out of the game or only applied to melee attacks

[scenic wren]

like for real, the game is already slow. The TTK could stand to be a bit longer, but stamina wouldn't really affect that

[vestal falcon]

was 8k this morning on tue at 11 AM est

[warped raft]

then no one will ever want to engage in a fight with a fighter or barb unless they too are running the same classes

[scenic wren]

This is pretty much the solution to reduce TTK and make the game more balanced

[undone belfry]

warlock lifesteal cancelled when taking damage so they cant run out of zone and full heal off hydras. its a bit ridiculous

[warped raft]

you mean raise the ttk?

[soft birch]

what is TTK plz?

[vestal falcon]

time to kill

[undone belfry]

yes raise TTK

[scenic wren]

I do mean raise ttk.

[soft birch]

ok ty

[sonic harbor]

Anyone can tell me exactly how to complete the interact with 20torches quest? I did turn off 30 yesterday in 1 raid but didnt work, is it a bug or am i not understanding the quest?

[vestal falcon]

has to be torches

[soft birch]

they are torchs that arent torchs u have to read when it says torch

[warped raft]

i think it has to be a torch no one else has touched yet

[undone belfry]

do torches in crypts, has to be the big ones

[gilded prairie]

Can't be turned back on after as well

[sonic harbor]

Ohhh make sens then! Ill be carefull next time

[scenic wren]

has to be on Crypts

[soft birch]

np gl for ur quests

[sonic harbor]

Yes i did on crypts

[scenic wren]

really makes you wish there was some kind of quest tracker in-raid

to make sure you're doing it right

[soft birch]

do u know if they will upgrade merchants on every class when u do the quests? so i can play more than 1 character

[scenic wren]

its per character

[soft birch]

ye ik thats why, i played a lot and i havent done every quest on 1 character

like its like the game force me to main 1 character

[warped raft]

you want the quests to be account wide im guessing not per character

[soft birch]

ye

[scenic wren]

I think there's something to be said about squire being clunky the way it is. By the time you unlock BIS common by finishing all the vendor quests, you're probably running exclusively HR and dont need whites anymore

[warped raft]

this would be nice cause some quests are better done with certain classes, like if you main a warlock you can solo pretty much all the bosses with ease

[elfin fern]

i am talking about bard v ranged, which is basically just "quick light armor class gets outdpsed by other quick light armor class and has to win ranged engagement with lower ms and dps". there is no play

[elfin fern]

of course, but what i mean is that the primarily melee class has no chance to use their primary form of attack, which forces ranged battles, which you lose; so what exactly is the way to make this not the case in solos?

i'm not saying melee classes should be able to just w key anyone they want any time they want, but it also seems they have no chance in many scenarios because there is simply no realistic way to close the gap

[warped raft]

i guess they need to tone down the amount of ranged a class can do that is not a ranger or just go the other direction if you think there is no way to win the fight. i hate to say that cause it goes against the grain but sometimes you just cant win every fight if they have more or better utility than you

and if that player follows you to continue the ranged bombardment that is your best chance of catching them off guard

spec with a bow out cause of how slow they move

i can tell by the direction they have gone with certain nerfs that they are trying to close that gap and force more fighting but the sad fact is some classes the way they are now just cant compete in that arena so they are left with range play in the hopes to poke you down enough, its going to be a nonstop battle for balancing in that regard due to the diversity they want each class to have

[sonic harbor]

Might want to add a dps drop at certain range distance. Could be a good « fix » so people with range just dont kite and run away forever.
But for exemple barbs should not have that much hp with perk, should nerf it just a bit

[elfin fern]

i would prefer fewer nerfs and perhaps more abilities that make it so that you can get around perpetually kiting, but balanced so that you the meleer can't just constantly be on their ass and they have a chance to escape or to poke. Sprint is supposed to do this, but is controversial because it's such a good ability with no downsides other than its cooldown

[warped raft]

problem is then you are stuck always taking those abilities instead of how you want to play to be able to deal with so much ranged

[elfin fern]

there are a few ways we could try to deal with that , like expanding num abilities but perhaps making it tree based to prevent op stacks, or perhaps nerfing something about how range is done currently, or simply accepting that if you get a better pursuit ability you give up something else, and vice versa

if i were in IM's position I would have several testing grounds, and award people cosmetics or stones for helping out with different sets of changes with specific loadouts

[warped raft]

game def needs more sacrifice/gain when it comes to each class, ie: you pick a lot of ranged items then you move slower for carrying them all so you need to rely on aim and not speed to keep players away from you or if you go all tank with gear you can take damage but you should not be dealing it out as well etc etc

[formal moon]

Game needs to go back to trios only. Game just doesn't work with solos and duos

[vestal falcon]

@spartansumo1 we won't have a game legit 80 percent of games are solo and duo

[warped raft]

would never work, there has to be options, you keep forcing people to play trio only or constantly forced to play 1v3 or 2v3 it will get stale and players will drop off, solos outnumber them all

[scenic wren]

They already have ranged damage drop off. It's pretty severe too. The problem is True damage, it ignores all modifiers and reductions. So True damage is the thing that makes the engagements feel bad. I'm a fan of added damage, but not True damage.

[scenic wren]

That's not true. Trios lobbies have definitely been way more full this week. By a lot.

[floral onyx]

there's zero data to suggest that solo player count is the highest lol. i love when people get on here and just spew out random "facts" with zero evidence to support it.

[warped raft]

this is true, removing all of the exaggerated stats would help a lot with this, keep base stats on gear as well and not super stats like + all or true or additional and it would require classes to depend on the skill of what they come with and not just stacking a certain stat to get over on others

[scenic wren]

ikr, the first 3 playtests had no solo or duo queues, and that was the peak of the player base

[warped raft]

so where is your data on trios ? seems to be those lobbies are complained as being dead more than most so you are swimming in the same pool sir

[vestal falcon]

They legit said it man trio is the least played

[formal moon]

Except this Game has experienced all of its population highs while trios was the only way. You don't need duos or solos at all. @vestal falcon because everyone quit the game due to scope creep (solos duos) and having too much to balance

[scenic wren]

got a reference for that? I haven't seen that anywhere

[vestal falcon]

Sdf said it months ago when they took duo away

[formal moon]

The reason trio isn't played as much is its significantly harder and punishing for not going meta. You see duos/solos because it's much easier

[warped raft]

all i know is when i play solo i get packed lobbies each game, if i jump into a duo or trio as a solo the lobby never fills

[formal moon]

Well we know you're capping. Solo lobbies are dead af

[scenic wren]

All the trios run crypts. If you're running goblin caves and ice mountain, its slow. Also, US East servers are very slow right now

[warped raft]

maybe you are playing a less populated region ? i play on us east and solos are always full unless its an odd hour of the morning

[warped raft]

actually crypts has been the most dead for trios for me lol

[scenic wren]

are you running norms or hr? Hr above 300 is packed right now, people are dumping their gear to prep for end of wipe

[formal moon]

Nope, on east. High gear = solo. Low gear = waiting for the timer

[warped raft]

not sure as far as HR goes cause i stopped playing it a while ago but for norms on us east i get full lobbies on any of the maps

[scenic wren]

🧢

[formal moon]

Lol. Like I said. Too many lobbies, game just needs to have 1 lobby until they figure out a bunch of core issues

[echo sparrow]

i always get full lobbies on east. this is not cap

[digital dock]

I was in solo HR US west, heard a dude in the next room so i stood in the doorway hidden, he runs past me and i toot my flute once for fun...he immediately turns and buffs up then slaughters me. Im not built for this game...

[vestal falcon]

Same

[warped raft]

[formal moon]

Cool, you either get empty gear lobbies or have to play the new player mode

[echo sparrow]

idk why i dont have this guy blocked yet. non-stop terrible takes

[warped raft]

HR is a problem unto itself mainly imo cause there are no fun fights when everyone can one smack everyone else, its like we may as well all be playing rogues lol

[formal moon]

This makes no sense

[unreal obsidian]

Don't break the game this time. Don't break the game this time. Don't break the game this time. Don't break the game this time. Don't break the game this time. Don't break the game this time.

[scenic wren]

If you're running no gear in HR you get "one smacked" but if you're similarly kitted, the fights are some of the best and most drawn out fights I've ever had

[warped raft]

not in my case, ive gone in with bis gear and still got one to 2 smacked by someone stat stacking and you just cant do that in norms so in the long run i have more longer fights than i ever did in HR, you may have a dif experience but i dont

[swift ether]

What servers are dead?

[scenic wren]

Singapore

[elfin fern]

yeah, realizing that someone can tag you in the foot and still deal a starting minimum of ~8% of your health from true alone is absolutely crazy. unless im misunderstanding how true damage works

[scenic wren]

Nope, your understanding is perfect for true damage. If you're a 70% pdr fighter and a ranger with 6 true phys hits you in the foot from 200ft, you take 6 + whatever rest of the damage formula kicks out

[sinful gull]

YESS! creep changes lookin great!

[scenic wren]

Yeah, this is nice. I like the quiet, but not silent walking

[sinful gull]

My whining will come to an end. My return to the DaD is imminent.

[sinful gull]

Yeah it sounds even better than just removing it, which was my hope before this. But we will have to see what it feels like with what they call 20m

[formal moon]

Shocking people that have gear do dmg and people with rags don't. Shocking

[scenic wren]

well, if it's 2000 units, and base move speed is 300 units. It's the distance a naked man walks in 6.667 seconds. So sounds like about 1 module

[scenic wren]

[floral onyx]

"The server will return to full service 2 hours after the patch starts."

[unreal obsidian]

Anarchy

[scenic wren]

I mean, patching doesn't really start until everyone is out of lobby. They gave people in-match 40 minutes to finish out a game. Patching probably started around 1050/11. Just give it a bit, they'll eiher announce a delay or servers up soon.(probably the former)

[elfin fern]

ideally they'd push fixes at like 2 pm KOR time. The US is asleep, EU is just waking up, OCE is still working (assuming standard working hours)

but good on them for pushing on a tuesday* jesus

[rare finch]

comunication with the emogis xd

[topaz warren]

im loading in

seems to be back up

[cunning pasture]

go go go go

[topaz warren]

everybody get on so i can play

[scenic wren]

It's probably a false positive. Give it a minute for the update button to pop up in your client lol

[uneven nebula]

Game back up - who has an idea of what's gonna be wrong and require an instant fix? Any guessers in chat?

[final moon]

when arena mode?

[warped raft]

did i read that right, they are removing the test server package? that mean they are making it so anyone can use the test server ?

[brisk mason]

most likely.

[warped raft]

so they are saying to what then get that blue torch before its gone lol

[brisk mason]

they prolly gonna give something else as compensation for the test server. but yeah its a bit sad now

[cosmic swan]

Maybe a new bunch of cosmetic? I don't think there just removing the 50$ version of the game

But if you want the blue torch, white skel etc you have to get it now

[brisk mason]

yeah

[ebon crane]

yo fellas, do u know if we will get any discounts, for the game? Me and my friend wants to buy it

[brisk mason]

they do sales every so often. they might do it on wipe if it does get released on epic games like ppl think

[cosmic swan]

Maybe with the next wipe, it's a huge update. They're taking risk and want to attract new player with it so it would be a good move

[ebon crane]

thx, when its comming?

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[odd pier]

So now that it's correctly implemented, What does no knockback for iron Will mean? Is it just talking about the knockback from fireball? So it like resists any magic that would push you back?

[ebon crane]

🤝

[cosmic swan]

Fireball, forceful push from ranger, shield slam for fighter (nobody play that)

[odd pier]

If that works for the rangers arrow, that's amazing 😍 thanks!

[cosmic swan]

Np, it may have more thing who knokback but i don't remember them

[robust sigil]

i keep getting error code 16 when i try to launch 😦

[cosmic swan]

#discord-help Try opening a ticket here

[scenic wren]

close and reopen your client and verify game files

[robust sigil]

did both of those

[scenic wren]

yeah, submit a bug report then. If you're running a vpn or proxy, maybe disable that just to see

sometimes cheaters use vpns and when IP bans kick in, it bans the VPNs IP address. not sure if that error code is network related, support will know though

[robust sigil]

nah i dont use a vpn, i did just cclean and malwarebytes though

i might just reinstall

[twin magnet]

did you dl on ssd or hdd?

[subtle robin]

when was the last wipe? is there a wipe soon?

[twin magnet]

its gonna be next week I think

[subtle robin]

nice

[robust sigil]

ssd

[peak crypt]

game gonna need to go f2p to inject new players

[robust sigil]

i uninstalled tavern and blacksmith and it worked

[warped raft]

esp is getting really old, stop being pathetic

[cosmic swan]

Last wipe was like April 15 and the next one is June 7 so a bit more than a week

[lime junco]

Anyone got luck gear they dont want?

[subtle robin]

thanks

[solar cave]

Hey, how do I direct message in the game?

[cosmic swan]

."/w CharacterName" and "/r" to answer a direct message

[terse karma]

anyone know when the wipe is?

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[terse karma]

thank you

[solar cave]

thanks!

[cosmic swan]

Np 👍

[lunar summit]

Did this patch break anything major?

[cosmic swan]

Too soon to tell I guess, but they didn't touch anything big so it should be ok

[high fractal]

The biggest break in this patch is probably gear based matchmaking. Everyone tries to stay just under 300 because everyone else above 300 have gold maxed everything

[rocky plover]

if someone were to bring their friend to a solo game or something, the friend having bought 20 of a certain item, and the friend then drops all of those items on the ground for the 1st person to pick it up, are those items technically "collected" for the purpose of completing a certain quest?

[cosmic swan]

Imo they were forced to do this porr decision with GBMM because of the lack of player, to avoid splitting people in to much lobby. It was split in 3 at the beginning but they had to do the -300 / +300 because lobby was too empty

[zealous nova]

Ales are so god damn elusive

[shadow bough]

GBMM fine TBH people complain about "min-maxxing" but all that gear usually leaves your Vigor and PDR at minimum, atleast for non plate wearing classes. They just need 1 more lobby, not just 2 (0-150. 150-299. 299+ fpr example)

[cosmic swan]

But with the new patch people should come back. Also they talked about a new matchmaking system, that I think will solve the empty lobbie issues. But I don't know if it will change how GBMM work

[warped raft]

too many barbs and fighters anymore, feel like cant have any fun unless i play one of those now

[cosmic swan]

Yes imo 0-200 / 200-400 / 400-600 would be perfect Or maybe 200-450 something like that

[high fractal]

I think you’re right gear based was necessary because of low player count. I just play normals now and hunt player. I don’t worry about loot that much anymore

[shadow bough]

And Yes, just cuz you have lesser gear does not mean there is no outplay potential. Simply refuse to believe that, granted if your going fully naked base gear and running in Melee what else do you expect?

[cosmic swan]

Nop, it have to be found and extract from the dungeon. The only thing that work like you said is Handle equipement on ennemy player, they become Looted when looted

[shadow bough]

Norms seem like the best balance and questing at the moment. Hopefully new content incentivizes the grind cuz leaderboard rewards are weak this season

[rocky plover]

so if an "enemy player" drops an item and you pick it up it's handled?

[cosmic swan]

Only stuff. Weapon and armor

[cosmic swan]

And you shouldn't try to go in the same game as a mate without being grouped for any reason, you might get banned/ it just suck

[warped raft]

lizard barbs should be paper wearing nothing but shoes and pants and yet they may as well have armor onlol

[echo sparrow]

cant you just find the 20 ale?

[cosmic swan]

They should but Barb don't tank thx to PDR but because they have a ton of HP

[warped raft]

either way they need knocked down a peg or 2 so that 1/2 to 2/3 of every map is barbs

[shadow bough]

Just play with a Bard, Shriek and good engagements are enough to kill any tank

[cosmic swan]

I agree Barb is one of the most powerful class right now. Let's hope the "drastic balance test next week" will do something about that

[shadow bough]

I do agree tho that Lizard Barb is a bit much for GBMM min maxxing lol

[high fractal]

Only reason barb is strong is because vigor and move speed. A move speed nerf would be perfect

[warped raft]

they should not have lowered the ms cap

[cosmic swan]

No, I can't be agree with that. Barb also have some of the best perk and skill of the game

Everyone was half a barbarian when multiclassing was up

That's for a reason

[shadow bough]

To account for Ranged meta, its a rock paper scissors, 3 barbs will never kill 3 rangers given the right players

[cosmic swan]

Yes but almost never happen

[high fractal]

Some of barbs skills translate better to other classes and aren’t as usable on him. A lot of his perks are strong but without excess move speed it’s hard to execute his game plan so those perks are needed.

[shadow bough]

Tbh if you let a Barb get in range, its your fault. Post Multiclass and Creep shenanigans this game is the most balanced its ever been

[cosmic swan]

And that's kind of the point of the game, some class are made to be good against some other (But thats what you just said with rock paper scissor

[high fractal]

Yea keeping barb away is where the counter play has to be because if you can fight a barb close range and win what’s the point of the barb again

[cosmic swan]

Well it is the most balanced it's ever been now that both those thing are gone xD

[shadow bough]

Exactly what i just said lol

[high fractal]

Blocking with shields is always an option too hard to be consistent but it can be a legit strategy

[cosmic swan]

Yes sry, i just read it again and noticed that (English is not my 1st language mb)

[shadow bough]

If you play fighter, once you hit that crossbow and have sprint thats the name of the game. Sucks that the game is range and poke, but in reality you should do everything you can so that you have an advantage before fights with fighter/barb

[high fractal]

Oh did they take out creep again?

[cosmic swan]

You've said it all, make shield consistent and I would love to play shield

[cosmic swan]

Yep check #📢announcements

[shadow bough]

Shield is underutilized. The only class i feel bad for rn is cleric

[warped raft]

teams of 3 and 4 running around in solos lol too many punks these days

[high fractal]

I might just start practicing the shield that sounds fun

[shadow bough]

Thats been an issue from the jump. I wish the devs took a hard stance against Pre-teaming, it was fun in early days and made for some hilarious moments if it was organic. However, nowadays its so idiotic

[warped raft]

not sure they were pre-teaming, just thinking its funny to run around and team bash everyone, the usual young punk crap

[cosmic swan]

I would love to play a fighter with shield perk and shield slam. But that just not good right now, and Shield slam don't benefit from most of the shield perk as it's not a "Defensive stance" when you use it

[shadow bough]

only downside to shield is lack of attack speed, and its basically useless unless your playing duo/trio. You may block one slash or stab, but what about the rest

[cosmic swan]

Imo, you can do teaming as long as you don't kill player. Want to kill boss together? Loot together? Clear room? Ok no problem, but if you just kill other player you should get banned

[astral saffron]

anyone else gettin the connection failed while trying to jump into the dungeon? sikk patch

[cosmic swan]

If it's organic of course

[shadow bough]

In order to keep the spirit of fairness it should be bannable always. Sure you can PvE together, but thats the whole point of duo/trio...........

[warped raft]

there are some instances i can see it being fun like say a rogue is getting bumrushed by a barb and you chip in and help then take off afterwards stuff like that is ok or what you suggested but yea teaming just for the purpose of advantage is just effed up

if i wanted that i would go solo in trios

[shadow bough]

exactly

[cosmic swan]

Yeah of course, but some people don't have people to play with. Or are try harding solo leaderboard. If you find someone that don't want to obliterate you, why not?

[shadow bough]

Yeah thats the whole point of this discord that you type on every waking moment lmao. I haven't been solo grinding due to rampant ESP and preteaming, but I prefer duos anyway. 9 times out of 10 nowadays, some being friendly comes to stab you anyways. If this is PvPvE just keep it that way

[high fractal]

I am always using the voip to help myself out of situations whether it be through teaming or begging. I dont think teaming should be bannable unless its reoccuring for pvp abuse

[cosmic swan]

Still I agree but not every player are on the discord.

[shadow bough]

I mean if you refuse to communicate with other when the devs have given you gathering halls and access to look at every player online, filtering by class too. There is no excuse lmao. Sure you can be introverted but, you want the devs to spoon feed you too?

[cosmic swan]

I'm not talking about me, but I think we underestimate the number of player who play alone. That's it

[echo sparrow]

natural teaming can be fun though. just a couple of bros hanging out in the dungeon, who go on their merry way after

[rocky plover]

not fun when you're on the recieving end of that exchange and you're ganged up on

[cosmic swan]

As long as they don't just rush people to kill all the lobby

[echo sparrow]

i had a guy who ran from me all game tell some random i was a cheater and they both turned on me to kill me.

[shadow bough]

For every "organic teaming moment" theres 10 servers in SEA or OCE with full on preteaming lobbies. I too miss the old days of not killing every living being, but at this point the game is purely PvP then PvE

[echo sparrow]

i agree. if i ever befriend someone i dont go headhunting others. i often leave them before we even extract

[cosmic swan]

🤝

[echo sparrow]

there will always be bad eggs who abuse systems for their own gain. its unfortunately human nature

[shadow bough]

Yeah so the devs shouldn't be naive to the Gaming community they have. I would love to see more friendly chaps like you two, but sadly ain the case. SDF had noble intentions too with creep, to allow for solo players to have more room. In reality trios began using this mechanic agressively and we all felt that, the worst feeling is clearing modules with a new group and you turn around to a barb yelling.

[cosmic swan]

True

[echo sparrow]

preteaming is only an issue because there is low pop. i would think it would be near impossible to snipe a queue if we had the days of old

[cosmic swan]

Also true. People will surely find a way, but it would be harder i guess

[shadow bough]

I mean regardless, the players of this game have shown this is PvP game first and foremost. Preteaming as it stands is unfair to our SEA and OCE friends. Sure if pop rises, but only time will tell

[echo sparrow]

its just easier to notice the people who want pvp, as they will rush you, vs the people who just go around looting and extracting

[vapid arch]

I'm not opposed to teaming being bannable, but I find it hard to enforce the social aspects of how a game is played

[cosmic swan]

Imo the game is "PvP first" because of the lack of PvE content/ the fact that the gameplay loop didn't get any big change since the release of the EA. Stuff like this could change that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

Or smaller thing like that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/553985/add-more-objectives-to-maps

[shadow bough]

Yeah I think thats their hope with Ice Wvyern, but regardless PvE in this game is mind numbingly boring. Only things that give grief are the bosses. PvE is just their to occupy your time before PvP. Its not engaging or rewarding enough content, unless your bossing. And if you're bossing you basically have to either kill counters or kill players to earn your right to do it

[cosmic swan]

Yep maybe small change like randomised mob spawn or locking door when a boss fight start could be cool

[shadow bough]

And im not opposed to changes to emphasis PvE or add more loot piles behind PvE and puzzles, but im not naive enough to think it will change the gameplay. If they do add content like this, it will just incentivize players to hunt newbs doing puzzles. This game as it stands will always be PvP first

[cosmic swan]

You're probably right, but I would love to see more PvE thing and I think it would bring more variety in PvP too

[shadow bough]

Also when does the quest to get the ice skelly end do you know?

[cosmic swan]

You have until Wipe so June 7th

[echo sparrow]

ive said this a year ago. as much as i like memorizing each room and the spawns, it would be much better if rooms had random mobs. it would slow people down for sure

[shadow bough]

I think a better solution would be to make all gear, especially Purps/Legendaries very rare. With all the free reward tokens and the marketplace, its made it so that there is no room for bad gear. If all gear even blues were actually rare, it would slow down the game since killing players would have less incentive

[echo sparrow]

people dont kill people because they want their loot, people kill poeple because they want to kill poeple

[cosmic swan]

SDF talked about that a few day ago : #the-tavern message

[shadow bough]

Well as it stands, killing people is the best way to make money and get AP inthe game. So its only natural players will rush modules, especially if they know the map well

[echo sparrow]

id link to where i said it but its in a room you cant see

[granite gyro]

Is there going to be a season extension for all the days we'vel ost with fixing bugs

[echo sparrow]

it would be cool. i was talking about it when the spawn rushing was a bigger problem

[echo sparrow]

probably not if i had to guess

[shadow bough]

Tbh id say no since the free stashes for 50 g and prior update, but in the last few wipes they always ended up extending it by a few days

[lone garnet]

i don't think it would be worth for a few days, just let this season go, it's done and hopefully we don't get another one like this

[shadow bough]

Agreed, but you must be crazy not to try to get the most op skin in the game

[lone garnet]

it's fairly easy to get 10k points, that's where i stopped, oh and the quest one

[balmy agate]

is the game just laggy or just crpts

[lone garnet]

no issues here

[zealous nova]

What map is the best for ale spawns? 5 crypt runs and 0

[cosmic swan]

Frost cavern, focus smal and medium bronze chest and large wooden chest

[cosmic swan]

I got like 8-10 ale in 5-6 game this afternoon

[zealous nova]

RNG just hates me on these things

2 back to back frost runs, nothing, onto goblin

[arctic raft]

let us choose our map

[cosmic swan]

Not possible with the number of player we have actually, but why not

[arctic raft]

@cosmic swan wym?

[cosmic swan]

Allowing player to choose map and group size would split the playerbase in too much lobby. It would result in (even more) empty lobbie

Imo the actual system is really good compare to what they tried in the past

[agile jackal]

What changed about footstep audio? it is louder or quieter now?

[cosmic swan]

I don't know if we had the stat for the past system but they remove the global creep, now only rogue can creep with the perk

[agile jackal]

Rogue mains rejoice

[unreal obsidian]

anyone ever had this happen? i can't bring up my inventory or anything.

[pseudo coyote]

Just to throw some ideas out there: poison trap equipment for rogue, give a riposte to the Rapier because it fits with the actual historical fighting style, rework demonform to address melee range and camera issues (possibly a dark energy slash or reskin a weapon), rework evil eye as it is never used (possibly have it be a floating companion that spots traps & hidden rogues without manual piloting)

[unreal obsidian]

So the game glitched.. lost bis rogue gear.. i have a screenshot.. where do i report bugs?

[pseudo coyote]

@unreal obsidian there is a bug report channel in Discord

[cosmic swan]

#report-a-bug mb*

[fickle kraken]

why do the dummys have armor / mr and can u tell me how much ??

[cosmic swan]

I don't think they have any armor. Except if they change that on the hotfix 47

[distant bay]

add otto the dog quest, you must save him from the wolves and escort him out of the dungeon.

[fickle kraken]

cures is doin 2 dmg only on a fixed 3 dmg

[cosmic swan]

Oh yeah you'r right I noticed that too, but punch still do the same damage

[shy gull]

What do we think of the new creep update? I really don't know how far 1000 units is

[fickle kraken]

the curse headshot is also gone any reasoning ?

[cosmic swan]

Yeah I don't know why they speak in units or 10M. I guess you can get an idea of something near 10m with the Holy purification skill of the cleric, it's 7.5m

[shy gull]

i think they should have just removed it. hr is the worst when the lobby is just fighters hiding behind a door in the quad they started in.

[cosmic swan]

They did removed it. But they also changed to range of hearing for normal step, walking step and crouching step

But walking / crouch walking do noise again. Except for rogue with the perk

[shy gull]

still though, playing like a rat should only benefit the rouge. i don't think it should be across classes.

[cosmic swan]

? it's not anymore, that the point of this hotfix. Now you hear footstep of people walking at a 10M range

[cold wharf]

WHY YALL DOING A HOT FIX WHEN EVERYONE GETS ON

[gilded prairie]

I was just about to log on lmaoooo

[cold wharf]

DAM THEY HAVE ALL DAY AND THEY CAN'T WAIT TILL LIKE 1 AM OR TOMMOROW

[bitter citrus]

It's 630 am there.

[left solar]

damn they better give us some of them dosh garn reward tokens

[elder yacht]

crazy game honestly doing hotfix at these times, they should hire a 10 y\o who will them them how to do things

[abstract siren]

more downtime? wow. another great example of why the test server needs to be used.

[rigid gull]

what skin are you talking about?

[rapid roost]

i didnt get enough time with multiclass because why? if you were going to wipe the game in two three weeks why not just make this the multiclass season ironmace?

[cold wharf]

YALL BRINGING THE SEVER DOWN BECAUSE U CAN'T SEE UR WEAPONS JUST SWITCH OVER AND BACK BOOM HOLY MOLY

HOT FIX IS A QUICK RESTART NOT NO 2 HOURS

[silver geyser]

xd this game

[loud creek]

Okay so at this point, I think Ironmace really needs to look at hiring more QA/Testing members or fire the current ones, if they have any. sounds drastic I know but the last 3 patches, especially hotfix 48 is embarrasing

[shadow bough]

Collector Quest. ice skelly 1+ dmg -3 ms

[rigid gull]

oh

[abstract siren]

they have a wy to QA and test. The TEST SERVER that hasnt been updated in weeks.

[cold wharf]

I AM DOWN to grind that with you brother

[rigid gull]

does anyone know what the starts are for pathfinders frostwalker skin when that comes out

[loud creek]

no exactly that just adds to my point

they arent even using it as a testing ground to test their hotfixes

[jaunty topaz]

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[loud creek]

its hilariously bad

[woeful plume]

Yep, Test is so broken it's crazy.

[cold wharf]

HOTFIX= a quick restart not 2 hour sever thats a whole update

[livid shadow]

Are they going to be giving additional time on leader boards since the patch is 5+ hours in a single day?

[rigid gull]

they should but are they, prob not

[livid shadow]

kinda a bummer

[shy gull]

HOW DO I FIND WHEN THE SEASON ENDS

[jaunty topaz]

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[indigo nimbus]

I think the game is dead

[rigid gull]

the big ass timer on the leaderboard in game

[shy gull]

thank you sir

[indigo nimbus]

You can't release so many patches in one day, it's not serious

[jaunty topaz]

Ironmace taking notes from Riot on how to introduce dozens more bugs with ever patch 💀

[flat badger]

why is there maitenance grrrr 😠😠😠😠

[jagged lily]

Is there any reason to complete out all quests anymore or is it enough to get all cosmetics through the ear/ale collection quests ?

[flat badger]

[fluid juniper]

season rewards end on may 31st, next time wipe start on june 8

[glass trellis]

Cosmetic only cus season wipe is in a couple days

Sorry season ends not wipes

[floral onyx]

Ohh surpise, the game is going down for a hot fix.

[past bobcat]

how much is viola going for starting?>

[regal raft]

another hot fix? these devs are crazy im starting to think a kid is running this game out his basement with his discords buddys

[jagged lily]

Are there more cosmetics behind the final quests (aside from the frost skeleton skin, goblin coin flip etc)

[cosmic swan]

Nop

[glacial valley]

I really hope they extend the season

[winter tinsel]

Same

[cobalt moon]

is there a way to open the map and make markers and track them?

[icy cliff]

not tryna complain but man is this game not beginner friendly in the least

sucks to suck I guess...

[formal moon]

And it's the easiest the game has ever been

[subtle heart]

The wiki has a map with trackers available.

[jaunty topaz]

It's okay man the game isn't veteran friendly either 💀

There's no shortage of absolute bullshit or buggy jank that you can just randomly die to in this game

[icy cliff]

im gettin fuckin mopped bro...😢

[dull flax]

why are they updating during peak hours fucking update at 5 am or some shit

[formal moon]

end of wipe is another layer of bad for new players, but you have a chance of a monster come up. Just learn the maps, that's the best thing you can do and then figure out what the other class can do by taking fights

[brisk lava]

Play normals on gc

[lament wolf]

Alright boys its 5pm when everyone gets off work and wants to chill and play games, time for server maintenance.

[versed spoke]

can anyone tell me why they nerfed wizard lock 20 to 8 seconds?

[icy cliff]

lol, youre not wrong

[formal moon]

Just be glad you didn't start while multi classing was around.

[cobalt moon]

I wish the wizards had more spells and versitility or you could find new spells in the dungeon. I thought maybe the scrolls in the dungeon had new spells but they are actully useless items

[rough whale]

Is this game ever up lol. I've been trying to rank up and then after get all my characters to wanderer for rewards. It's kinda impossible with constant downtime especially since I work.

[blazing latch]

Can we get an extension on this season? This is absolutely insane at this point. Get out of work to a 2 hour patch? Are you KIDDING me. HELLO?

[subtle heart]

BUFF RANGER TRAPS TO HOLD PEOPLE LONGER. BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LENGTH. MAKE AMERICA, OOPS I MEANT TRAPS, GREAT AGAIN!!!

[pseudo coyote]

I would recommend that the DEVS release the Season Rewards at the beginning of the season. I myself enjoy seeing what I would like to invest my limited time in as a working adult with 1-2 free hours a day.

And even that "free time" erstimation is generous

[subtle heart]

YES! THIS IS IT, WE NEED THIS

[versed spoke]

still no cantrips and no wand and they nerfed wizards lock spell for no reason and nerfed staff mastery instead of nerfing ignite which was the problem

[waxen zodiac]

extend the season

[cobalt moon]

They did us wizards dirty. I really hope they go in another direction with wizards. they are glass cannons but so far they feel like glass slingshots

[blazing latch]

Legit need to extend it at this point. Release rewards with 1 week left and patch daily with extended maintenance? Are you fucking kidding me.

[pseudo coyote]

Old School Dungeons and Dragons didn't have cantrips. That idea came around in 3rd edition and they were down right bad. Wands would be an interesting mechanic or even spell scrolls that are a one time use of a spell that you may not have access to

[cobalt moon]

i like that ideas of one time use spell scrolls^

[versed spoke]

sure but nerfing everything on wizard without adding anything new is actually a joke when u have rangers just triple shot you dead just shows they cant cook

[pseudo coyote]

to throw an idea out there, rather than an evil eye rework they could give the warlock another curse that makes a player have the same darkened vision as when in the dark swarm. Not completely blind but would help with the ranged meta

[waxen zodiac]

dude I have life to deal with, so when I do have time to grind. server maintenance.

[pseudo coyote]

If there was a "cantrip" like mechanic, I would specifically tie it to an item like a wand

[jade mulch]

Before Hotfix we wanted to fight the ghost king and he was freaking invisible anyone else got to see this bug?

[cobalt moon]

seems like wiards most powerful spell deal dameage to the wisard too close range. so if you walk right up to a wizards they are as good as dead and long range its super easy to dodge a wizards spell also when they do hit the damage is very low.

[versed spoke]

spell to block arrows for a short time

[pseudo coyote]

a stationary wind wall, a darkness spell. There are alot of options for a spellcaster to combat the ranged meta.

[serene mesa]

A darkness spell would be so amazing for warlock they should get you on the dev team

[cobalt moon]

had anyone noticed the announment of maintnece was less than 10 minutes before it went down...

[pseudo coyote]

I only have ideas. The act of designing and implementing are completely different. It wouldn't be true darkness but rather the darkness equivalent to the swarm

[versed spoke]

so they appease perks to accommodate HR players but what about normals like whats even the point lmao quit nerfing wizard then buffing then nerfing again its pointless

[pseudo coyote]

The best way I find for improvment is looking at current game mechanics and systems that already exist and reshape them

[versed spoke]

like what mechanics?

[pseudo coyote]

like before make a darkness spell based on the swarm darkness. Make a poison trap able to be set by a rogue using the zombier gas and triggering mechanic of hunting trap

[versed spoke]

pretty sure a majority of people like normals balance more mainly because you aren't put in lobbies with people just cheating the system going as close to the gearscore gap just to have the best gear in the bracket

[elfin fern]

i disagree, norms is great as a casual time killer or quest progression thingie so you dont have to stress over kit

[versed spoke]

I don't understand how people can defend nerfing wizard after they buffed it from it being terrible its hilarious

[cobalt moon]

do we have any eta of play or am i gong to play some league of depression(legands)

[pseudo coyote]

I miss being able to go right into high roller to knock out the Weapon Smith quest on a new character., Tailor initial quest needs a rework because it really gimps the cloth classes.

[versed spoke]

how so?

explain how u gonna deal with landmine rogue with kit as wizard?

really explain what spells one shotting?

besides ignite the main problem

[cobalt moon]

bto just move left or right or get right up on them. I play wizards and it is too easy to avoid MM

[unreal obsidian]

MM is the least of my worries.. in other news, game is down again.... jesus

[pseudo coyote]

MM is for mobs and players who only know what the "W" key is

[cobalt moon]

the real question is did you know the missile knows where it is at all times

[versed spoke]

so ur telling me because someone ran at someone and they charge magic missles wizard deserves a nerf is a joke

they already nerfed scaling of magic missle

[elfin fern]

i feel like before classes are balanced further we should remove true damage from the game and see where we land

[cobalt moon]

chain lighing and fireball will damage the wizard if too close even mid distance. so just get close and Game over

[versed spoke]

so why nerf staff mastery along with it

[elfin fern]

i would be fine with additional staying if AR and MR actually counted a bit more

[cobalt moon]

true damage is a pain

[pseudo coyote]

I would like to see a greater depth of spells for the casters

[versed spoke]

explain how its op? compared to other classes because u ever go against a insane ranger?

[elfin fern]

maybe also if high extra % or flat damage was added to heavy slow weapons to make DPS match the faster tippy tap ones with add'l stacks

[versed spoke]

so ranger who can do instant quick dmg then theres wizard charging a spell just to be constantly shot when peeking around a corner to charge a spell lmao

[cobalt moon]

wizards may be able to deal damage but thats the pont of being a glass cannon. they are easity one shot and the build should be able to deal greater damage. Its litelry what they do. ever play dnd and a wizard cast fire ball. its the same idea.

[pseudo coyote]

Isn't staff mastery now just +1? You can get that with the Frozen Skeleton Skin and all you lose is 3 move speed

I missed the scale damage

[cobalt moon]

i need to go to your dungeons where are you finding these items.

[versed spoke]

ah yes staff mastery was the problem not ignite or scaling

[pseudo coyote]

Ia still rememeber when everyone rolled with ignite, haste, & a dagger as a wizard. The Stabomancer was unstoppable

[cobalt moon]

bro i was just in the market place best staff your getting had +6 magic damage for 500$ pretty sure it was around 600$

[versed spoke]

if staff mastery didnt really change then no point to nerfing it is there

[pseudo coyote]

Ignite is just a better Bloodstained blade in everyway

[dreamy ember]

It also looks cooler

[pseudo coyote]

except a 5 sec shorter duration

[versed spoke]

u literally were talking about its scaling so we just nerf the -3 dmg instead of scaling

[pseudo coyote]

BSB should have a higher cost with no additional cost per swing

[cobalt moon]

nerf casting time or somthing else its too easy to dodge it really shouldnt even be a skill thing. you just move out of the way

[versed spoke]

its good you don't cause your take is terrible sounds like you dont play wizard at all

thats what they all say

[cobalt moon]

if you got a good team its not bad but solos suck and im sure your aware

[versed spoke]

didnt say that but no offense to your takes tho its fine whatever you think

[unreal obsidian]

guess we are getting a few more hours of downtime?

[versed spoke]

yeah well sounds like you just keep running into timmies

[cobalt moon]

you keep saying abuse scaling you cant abuse your class build it literly a wizard thing to scale?

[versed spoke]

exactly my point u dont have a clue lmao

[formal moon]

timmies can't really choose, you can be base kit and be in a 300+ lobby

[cobalt moon]

i dont doubt your skill or experience i just want to understand where your intese rooted feeling that wizards ar OP are? you honestly might just have a super high level that makes your cool down and other stuff super short.

[dreamy ember]

I think they should change movement speed penalties to inertia penalties.

[versed spoke]

timmies more than likely arent gonna be good at knowing exactly what to do so they will have a mixture of different gear you wont see a timmy rocking bis usually

[formal moon]

what does that have to do with what i said

[cobalt moon]

whos two shotting people mid rages except the desperate

[versed spoke]

nah im just saying

[formal moon]

Wizards having been in the top 3 classes if not the best class since day 1

[versed spoke]

so wizards arent suppose to 2 or 3 tap thats only rangers with headshots and barbs and other classes gotcha

[cobalt moon]

if we removed or nerfed true damage im sure everyone would be happy

[formal moon]

oh well, did you know bees work in a hive

[cobalt moon]

thank you for your wisdom

[versed spoke]

so with your take lets nerf wizard cause ranger does to much dmg thats genius

[dreamy ember]

Wizard kinda feels like playing an arcade shooter sometimes

[versed spoke]

yeah except you have to charge your spells and rangers can triple shot you in a second

[cobalt moon]

honestly it woulnt be too bad ranged if magic missile targeting system worked a bit better. its soooo easy to dodge

[dreamy ember]

You're absolutely right

[versed spoke]

well its pointless you already made changes to the class for it to be nerf then nerf and rebalance the game then possibly have to buff it back

[rich sky]

sdf is wiping

[versed spoke]

lol true but nah fr like its sad seeing wizard get nerf honestly id rather see them making new spells or innovating than doing the same changes back and forth because they can't find a middle

[neat tundra]

What did they nbreak how was ap messed up?

[versed spoke]

i'd be suprised they even tried anything remotely impactful at this point

[shadow idol]

my bad about the last week guys. I keep asking my friend if he wants to play and everytime he says yes and shows an interest they shut the servers off to do 6 hours of maintenance and im starting to think those two things are related lol

[dawn sparrow]

did grayson quit?

[unreal obsidian]

fired

[dawn sparrow]

did i miss something? lol

[cobalt moon]

you missed out on the previous maintenance but you made it just in time for this one.

[gritty breach]

Are they ever going to put an update without apologizing.

[potent mulch]

Does anyone know what exactly was the issue with AP?

[cosmic swan]

When they'll start using the test server correctly. But I guess they wont until the wipe. They want to find and solve as many bug as possible before the next patch even if that means that the end of the season is "ruined"

[formal moon]

the whole game is a test server, adding it was just another waste of time

[cosmic swan]

I think like you but I also understand that people can be frustrated to see so many hotfix that bring new bug so maintenance last 5 hour instead of 2. It's true that most of the hotfix have issues and end up with a 50-1 then 50-2

[jaunty topaz]

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[cobalt moon]

this is actully the game. dark = maintencece and the more time goes on it will get dark and darker.

[wet ether]

we have less and less players everyday 😭

[pseudo coyote]

Game is Early Access. We all paid to enjoy a game still in development which includes bugs & unforeseen issues. We have a dev team that communicates very well with its community and makes updates every 1-2 weeks. Granted, there is a trend that each patch creates an emergency maintenance. This could become more frequent as they introduce more content and mechanics. Would you rather have a Triple A Dev Team that is trying to meet corporate and shareholder dead lines to push out a game that is crap (Battlefield 2042, Evolve, Anthem, etc), a game that is just a reskinned carbon copy with features taken away to be added again as a new feature, (Fifa, Madden, CoD), or have a Dev Team that doesn't care about the community or their input and goes silent for months at a time and expects you to just keep eating out of their hand (Escape from Tarkov)? It's not perfect but there is a lot of effort going in we don't see.

[jaunty topaz]

Game is Early Access. We all paid to enjoy a game still in development which includes bugs & unforeseen issues. We have a dev team that communicates very well with its community and makes updates every 1-2 weeks. Granted, there is a trend that each patch creates an emergency maintenance. This could become more frequent as they introduce more content and mechanics. Would you rather have a Triple A Dev Team that is trying to meet corporate and shareholder dead lines to push out a game that is crap (Battlefield 2042, Evolve, Anthem, etc), a game that is just a reskinned carbon copy with features taken away to be added again as a new feature, (Fifa, Madden, CoD), or have a Dev Team that doesn't care about the community or their input and goes silent for months at a time and expects you to just keep eating out of their hand (Escape from Tarkov)? It's not perfect but there is a lot of effort going in we don't see.

[cosmic swan]

I totally agree with you, I didn't meant that in a bad way

[livid shadow]

Guys I just heard that it’s gonna be another 2 hours, give or take

[gritty breach]

They should just do an update stream. Then we can watch them being stupid.

[lunar mesa]

Game is Early Access. We all paid to enjoy a game still in development which includes bugs & unforeseen issues. We have a dev team that communicates very well with its community and makes updates every 1-2 weeks. Granted, there is a trend that each patch creates an emergency maintenance. This could become more frequent as they introduce more content and mechanics. Would you rather have a Triple A Dev Team that is trying to meet corporate and shareholder dead lines to push out a game that is crap (Battlefield 2042, Evolve, Anthem, etc), a game that is just a reskinned carbon copy with features taken away to be added again as a new feature, (Fifa, Madden, CoD), or have a Dev Team that doesn't care about the community or their input and goes silent for months at a time and expects you to just keep eating out of their hand (Escape from Tarkov)? It's not perfect but there is a lot of effort going in we don't see. Thanks IRONMACE

[lunar mesa]

i like this idea

[jaunty topaz]

Game is Early Access. We all paid to enjoy a game still in development which includes bugs & unforeseen issues. We have a dev team that communicates very well with its community and makes updates every 1-2 weeks. Granted, there is a trend that each patch creates an emergency maintenance. This could become more frequent as they introduce more content and mechanics. Would you rather have a Triple A Dev Team that is trying to meet corporate and shareholder dead lines to push out a game that is crap (Battlefield 2042, Evolve, Anthem, etc), a game that is just a reskinned carbon copy with features taken away to be added again as a new feature, (Fifa, Madden, CoD), or have a Dev Team that doesn't care about the community or their input and goes silent for months at a time and expects you to just keep eating out of their hand (Escape from Tarkov)? It's not perfect but there is a lot of effort going in we don't see. Thanks IRONMACE

[potent pine]

what was the ap issue, did some people get ahead abusing a glitch or smt

[unreal obsidian]

yea yea.. rookie dev ops cycles with no regression testing... game still down.. we paid to play a game.. not spend the majority of days in patches

[royal fulcrum]

take a trip to ironmace headquarters and smoke their buttox

[undone belfry]

I love it, I left early this morning and it was down and ofcourse not working, so I thought it's all good I'll be back late..... just got back....down again lmao

I guess ill go watch videos of me playing the game

[cobalt moon]

bro i need like at least a 2 day notice that we are updating for a whole day

[undone belfry]

ikr

[left solar]

THEY BETTER GIVE US SOME REWARD TOKENS FOR WAITING ALL DAY AGAIN!?!?!?!?! @glad thunder

[proper prawn]

extra time to hit demigod would be nice

[fallow grove]

I've waited more time for this game to patch than actually playing it.

[undone belfry]

no just wipe the game please no more stalls

anyone know if Healingbook was ever banned? POS aimlock warlock?

[zenith valley]

games up

[dusky kestrel]

not yet

[zenith valley]

yes it is

[undone belfry]

good call out

[dusky kestrel]

youre forgetting the other 4 hours of maintenance

[zenith valley]

XD

please no at least be tomorrow

[fickle stream]

Give everyone the cosmetics for free at this point. Once again during peak us east hours. Like, c'mon IM. I try so hard not to be a doomer but you guys make it difficult

[blazing latch]

Extend the season. This is insane BS

[dusky kestrel]

not dedicated enough to give up sleep hours?

[zenith valley]

im okay wih free ap and reward rokens XD

wipes not even 5 days out

[fickle stream]

Did that last time. May do it again, but new job so probably not. It's AP season rank ending this Friday, right? Then quests go until next Friday?

[wheat hull]

I still see maintenance. was I duped?

[dusky kestrel]

idk, my hours line up with when they like to do patches so i rarely run into problems luckily

[cosmic swan]

Quest go until the 7th

[blazing latch]

extend season to the 7th

[potent mulch]

They have had a patch every single day since they announced rank rewards no?

[cosmic swan]

Almost, we had 2 day between this one and the previous hotfix

[undone belfry]

I update twice and still down for maintenance

[elfin fern]

yeah like what are they actually doing lmao

[leaden ginkgo]

how much longer

[solar cedar]

I hope that we get an extension to the leaderboard for all this downtime. Personally my time to play has always coincided with the game being down. Voyager at the moment. No way i make it to demigod in 2 days.

[cosmic swan]

They're trying to find and fix as much bug as possible before the next wipe. They've said it, it's an all in on the next patch and wipe, even if that mean that the end of this season is hard for us

[elfin fern]

The timing could not be more awful

[cosmic swan]

Yes but they're forced into that because of the Summer Game Fest. They have to show some good stuff to attract new player / bring back (and keep) player who leaved the game

[unreal obsidian]

Merica

[wheat hull]

Rah

[lunar mesa]

we shall see i have faith

[potent mulch]

Honestly the vague timing is what’s killing me here

[undone belfry]

4 hours later

[unreal obsidian]

There should be some type of update at least

[cosmic swan]

Me too

[dusky kestrel]

i have hope

[unreal obsidian]

not asking much. a 5 second message that says.. "we don't know how much longer.. " something

[potent mulch]

I’m trying to grind demigod and idk if I stay up and wait for it or go to bed

[night rose]

vote to change season reward to bottle of lube for all the times you bend us over

[elfin fern]

They should be putting these patches into effect off peak hours then, not when all of america or eu has downtime to play

[wheat hull]

The devs are currently running on faith, trust, and pixie dust to make it through this patch

[undone belfry]

exactly do the hotfixes in the middle of the night

[dusky kestrel]

i mean, for their location they started this one at like 2am or something i think

[cosmic swan]

True, but it's always peak time somewhere

[blazing latch]

@cosmic swan That's not true because the majority of players aren't in asia. They're U.S. and the games down

[cosmic swan]

I don't know about that, do we have any stat somewhere? It would be interesting

[flat oak]

also, if they done it during office hours of korea then they wouldnt be doin patching while running on midnight oil

[blazing latch]

@cosmic swan Look at the discord? Look at how every other server is dead lobbies. Use brain next time utunga?

[elfin fern]

Right like, if they wait until their 2 pm to actually apply patches they dont frustrate their players nearly as much unless theyre breaking it for oce, and even then they get 3 hours to fix it before their time zones work is over

[undone belfry]

all i know is i'm taking this out on the poor souls I find in the dungeon when the game is finally up tomorrow night....

fuck their location, its full of cheaters

[zenith valley]

tomrrownight?????

[undone belfry]

sarcasm

[blazing latch]

Nobody to cheat against in a dead game

[cosmic swan]

Yeah ok

[undone belfry]

sadly this is what happens to most games, they cheat them into the ground

[deep sky]

if this maintenance is already this long , expect for it be fixed tomorrow ggwp

[wheat hull]

@undone belfry agreed, even if I die, I'm holding that W key to victory

[elfin fern]

I rarely see cheaters tbh, but then i'm in sub 300

[timid temple]

how am i supposed to get these quests and leaderboards done when the whole last week is under maintainence

[undone belfry]

ive had like 30-40 bans on US east

and a lot more go untouched

[elfin fern]

Aimbot? People hunting you through walls? Teaming? Do you only report them in game or submit video?

[undone belfry]

most toxic is the warlocks/rangers/wizards with aimlock... ESP is more evident but rarely banned and I can still kill them

[cursive shuttle]

I run into cheaters daily. I see at least 5+ bans a day on my screen pop up. It's ridiculous and super easy to tell when most people are cheating.

[undone belfry]

Ive even seen some range cheats for melee weapons

I just use the in game report but I save all clips just in case

I got that little POS NoSkillBruv banned who was top solo HR player

[high sapphire]

theres so much esp and i always ambush people. its really easy to tell. especially when im pickpocketing and invis before they even turn the corner

[undone belfry]

thats why i dont play rogue, I anticipate most people already know

[vagrant furnace]

Jesus fuck seriously? Still down? Test your fucking hotfixes jesus fucking christ

[naive storm]

calm

[high sapphire]

ive been playing windlass ranger lol. i like the 1 taps

[undone belfry]

thats one way to handle them lol

[naive storm]

what perks i have bis gear on my ranger rn with windlass

[dense bay]

yall think they gonna extend the season with all these maintenances taking up the entire day

[fallow grove]

Even the test servers are shit

[high sapphire]

usually run xbow mastery, sharpshooter, chase so i can hear people from hella far away and ambush them, and spear ofc if the first hit doesnt kill him

[naive storm]

[high sapphire]

im a scumbag lol

i feel bad but the money makes me feel a little better

[naive storm]

i pulled unique adventure cloak

sold it bough 5k gearset ranger with like 10 true

[high sapphire]

nah just get add and phys dmg. if u got true run the surv bow duh. im just too broke usually

[naive storm]

copy

tru dmg build survival

[vagrant furnace]

Instead of doing random hotfixes after the bugs are fixed. Try testing them out on the test server that way we dont have to do 6 hour maintenances every other day. It's like clockwork with these hotfixes...oops broke the game, down for 6 more hours just to find another game breaking bug.

[high sapphire]

if u got the funds hell yeah. oh and run pen shot and not true if you so a xbow build. trueshot is so fucking loud u cant sneak up on anybody with that

[elfin fern]

i really dont understand their release SCHEDULE. like, 2 am their time, 6 am their time for the fix to the fix?

guess the maintenance takes all day their workday?

[naive storm]

ty

[high sapphire]

backstep for spear fighting is BIS btw

[scenic wren]

I mean, they're removing silent walking (creep) so this advice is slightly less relevant. People will probably hear you walking before they hear the skill

[high sapphire]

thats so true. im pissed abt that. let me be a rat

[elfin fern]

back to turning off all the lights in module

[high sapphire]

omfg nooooo

ranger dead

[high sapphire]

at least the way i played it. i just fucking hunted people lol

[elfin fern]

just get good bro stack 12 true and then true shot your windlass from across the room before quad shotting with your surv bow also from across the room, 100% skill

[high sapphire]

might have to try machine gun now tbh

real machine gun with true shot lmao

[fallow grove]

Test server just crashed on me, this game is dead

[icy cliff]

lets GOOOOO

[pastel dagger]

terence?

[icy cliff]

WERE UP BOYS

[obsidian umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/black-kids-gif-18842918

[wheat hull]

I second that

[obsidian umbra]

RRAAAAAAAAAAAA

[jaunty topaz]

Sorry, we have discovered a serious issue and are in the process of fixing it. It will take a little longer than expected.

[wheat hull]

dont you dare

[torpid geode]

what was the issue with ap?

[slow wing]

Does Jokester give +2 to yourself or only your team? From what I understand it doesn't give it to yourself?

[cursive shuttle]

Is there one map that is better than others for gathering ail.

[primal raven]

It give to yourself

[gritty flume]

Is shotgun arrow balanced? Getting hit with five 50 damage arrows at the same time is mega cringe. And can you still shoot down and have it not spread out? If so, that's 100% the next thing that needs to be fixed. Immediately

[mild sinew]

why not barb use longy swordy

[potent mulch]

What did Terence do to SDF

[timid sky]

is hide bugged? was killed in stealth. in deathcam i was completely visible while in stealth

was running stealth + creep perks

[slow wing]

were you moving? or stationary?

[timid sky]

completely stationary

and when i mean i was visible, i mean completely visible. not just the camo effect

i have a recording

[slow wing]

hmmm, idk it maybe a bug, I'd see about recreating it if possible.

[deep sky]

opened my last token and got 3 options for legend item; great helm, crossbow or magic staff which one yall choosing?

[slow wing]

I just had the same issue, it's bugged

[primal raven]

Aww man they scuffed rogue again…. How am I gonna rat grind for the cosmetics

[jaunty topaz]

Ain't no way bro the game is STILL BROKE LMAO

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[cold wharf]

why yall buying this lol

[dark canyon]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/2fYCKywszC8FEb/d1337Q0hlNNU?invite=cr-MSx3OWssMjA4Mzg5ODgxLA am I supposed to see his hands?

[glad sequoia]

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[jaunty topaz]

🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇷

[gilded prairie]

60 seconds into the game and there's 3 teams fighting in one room.

I'm gonna say it again that map design is a big issue with the game.

[jaunty topaz]

That sounds like good design to me

PvP is the only fun part of this game

[gilded prairie]

It's fun to PvP; but I disagree that it's fun to get spawn rushed so easily; especially when some spawns are worse than others.

I prefer my fights to be relatively fair and feel rewarding; but getting dropped on 30-60 seconds into the game while you're clearing your first few mobs is pretty unfair to that team.

The game isn't meant to be a battle royale.

[severe epoch]

Why is the only way to close blacksmith CTRL+ALT+DEL? Why is it so invasive? You aren't even stopping cheaters, you're just annoying people

[ebon elk]

guys quick question im having issues sharing my screen here on discord it freezes whenever i try and i have to restart my discord do u guys know how to fix this?

[undone belfry]

Ranger in HR with all true dam,, honestly probably the most skilled player and build i've ever seen. What a fucking joke. fisher price fuck heads

[formal moon]

The first floor needs to be a much larger floor and we need more players in the lobby, but we have servers

[warm lily]

Is this game fun again or is it still mid?

[jaunty topaz]

PvP is fun
Everything else is a boring grindfest

Unfortunately that "everything else" is 90% of the game

[warm lily]

[jaunty topaz]

The game would be massively improved if the grind was made alot more reasonable for the average joe (like me) who works full time

Also imagine if Joe had a family too, even less time (if any) to enjoy the real game

Normals is nice and all but it does get stale

Not to mention that some quests are High Roller exclusive and skill-intensive

[frosty sedge]

I feel like with squire its much easier

[fervent prawn]

Which ones

[jaunty topaz]

Squire is a major quality of life improvement to be fair but it probably should have been in the game the instant they banned colored gear from normals

[jaunty topaz]

Fortune Teller's Luck Potion quest is the first thing that comes to mind
Also a handful of quests require slaying elite grade enemies which are extremely rare in normals

There's probably more but I can't think of them atm

[fervent prawn]

Go in naked and use a rapier

[frosty sedge]

buy three use em in goblin caves and then exit to lobby

[jaunty topaz]

Of course going in naked with nothing to lose is an option, but I just wish it was easier for Joe to obtain strong gear in the precious few hours he has to play the game each day

So that he can take on other players in pvp

[fervent prawn]

The game isn’t meant for those who only have a few hours a day

[jaunty topaz]

at least my guy is honest about it

[hazy rain]

I mean its not like it isnt either... you can hop in there, do a dungeon and be done

[fervent prawn]

He isn’t talking about the normals experience

[hazy rain]

15-30minute activities is a widespread standard adopted by many game devs to, in part, attract your usual working man

[frosty sedge]

but fr the luck potion quest is one of the easiest quests in game, the only thing stopping you is the trader refresh. you dont have to survive

[hazy rain]

A noob cant do hr but doesnt mean they wouldnt eventually be able to. You get plenty of gear to have spares and i run naked hr all the time

[fervent prawn]

We’re talking about whether or not the beginner experience should be made easier to accommodate those with no time

[frosty sedge]

HR ice caves easy ash if you avoid the big men and the wendigo, and even then you can learn to fight them not too bad

[hazy rain]

Training grounds for learning to fight/dodge each mob would be the solution to that

Cause current difficulty is what first made this whole game interesting

[blazing latch]

Gear based matchmaking but every lobby i've entered, everybody has 550+? broken system or what

[woeful plume]

I would go with a 'yes'. I go in with squire gear and get setup with 400+ or even 500+ sometimes.

[static rapids]

No it shouldn’t, why cater the game to the dudes who play the least lmao

[fervent prawn]

My thoughts exactly

[swift ether]

does silver weapons undead damage apply to skeleton cosmetics?

[static rapids]

Just grind through norms if you have an issues with mobs and you’re comfortable then go to HR. If you don’t have time to play the game then you can’t complain you aren’t getting any good gear lol

[trim fern]

I hope we don't have another 24hr maintenance 😦

[swift ether]

just curious

[blazing latch]

So i get punished for using their system cause they killed their game ok

[faint trellis]

is there any good barbarian guides?

[trim fern]

Look up "Dimo Dark and Darker" on Youtube. He's got a bunch of barbarian guides.

[faint trellis]

Thanks brotha

[rapid roost]

skinny pete

[unkempt cobalt]

agreed

[dapper sky]

do we have to complete the quest on every character to get the cosmetic for that charatcer or is it a account linked thing

[wary magnet]

account linked

[slow wing]

For all the Rogues:
If people don't know Hide is bugged on Rogue.
If you proc Rupture before hide it shows a floating purple that's around the hands, through Hide, (poison weapon might be the same).

[silent bison]

@sdf do you mind giving us an additional week to grind on the leaderboard due to longer maintenance in the last few days?

[unreal tiger]

how long have ice skeleton archers been able to shoot three arrows at once?

[snow copper]

@unreal tiger if they are black they do

[jaunty topaz]

yoooo

[hasty trout]

hey i completed the goblins shiny quest and he said he gave me his lucky coin but i didn't see anything. what do you get from that quest?

[gilded prairie]

It's an emote

[slow wing]

Go to customize

[hasty trout]

thank you 🙂

[empty zealot]

nothing wrong with playing normals man, HR is just the same, but with grind

also just getting 50 affinity with most merchants is actually pretty easy and you don't need more than that for the squire and white gear availability in merchants

the initial tailor quests are pretty tough if you don't have friends to run trio hell with, but otherwise it's quite manageble

[empty zealot]

yes, it's all about punishing you, specifically, that's the plan, devs don't like you

[faint hull]

i think a cool change would be randomizing mimic appearances randomly throughout the progression bar instead of guaranteed at 50%. it would make mimics more surprising

[empty zealot]

well, I didn't even know mimics spawned based on the timer...? so now i'm less surprised xD

[cosmic folio]

really wish they would fix the spiders. so they cant trap you with no way to jump over them

[empty zealot]

that would only happen if there's something blocking above you, otherwise you can always jump them

you can also get stuck yes, but that's a different issue which can happen with any enemy, if you go into a floaty state and cant jump

[cosmic folio]

nah i could do a jump. just wouldnt let me go over.

[faint hull]

they should def make it smaller at least you shouldnt be able to spider surf

[empty zealot]

again, nothing to do with spiders, most likely the environment around you

well it's indirectly cause of the spiders, but with any other mob you wouldn't be able to pass them at all, with spiders you usually can

[cosmic folio]

one of the most frustrating things. is to win a fight then have two spiders gank you into a corner..... the environment around me was a door.

[empty zealot]

yea sounds like you hit the top of the doorway then

[cosmic folio]

dont know if youve looked at the doorways but there really isnt much there to blo0ck you

[empty zealot]

there's the top of the doorframe...?

[cosmic folio]

which in all the times ive jumped over traps.... ive never got stopped by the door frame

[empty zealot]

fact is you can easily jump over the spiders, but not if something blocks you otherwise

[cosmic folio]

agree to disagree.

[empty zealot]

well, i've done it 100 times, so...

and i've also got stuck on the environment and died to spiders, but that was mostly the enviros fault

[cosmic folio]

same. so when i get trapped in a spot that i cant get out of that i should beable to... i get a little salty

[empty zealot]

well every other mob can trap you in a corner also, it's not really the mobs fault, it's your positioning

some times you end up floating and can't jump though, that's kind of a glitch

[empty zealot]

but the trap doesn't block you, the spider does, so you are not able to get over it when you bump the top of the door and then the spider

[cinder crane]

‘Cleric's Smite damage scaling has been changed from 50% → 100%. 'It hasn't worked until now. so stupid shit😆 😆 😆

[uneven nebula]

Should there be a mechanic to open blues faster for people who are in a completely dedge lobby?

[vestal raptor]

man im new and love the concept of this game but im getting my ass handed to me every game. Any recommendations on a class thats good for both solos and duos?

[knotty kernel]

fighter

Fighter is the best class in the game, they have the most movement speed, the most armor, the highest damage weapons, they can even heal, and use bows. Fighter is this game on easy mode.

[winter tinsel]

Warlock is pretty noob friendly. Heal passively with shadow touch, life drain, or use torture mastery and heal with DoTs

[woeful plume]

It's a tough process. The PvE alone is a lot to take in, memorizing maps, etc...

[abstract siren]

How much downtime will there be today?

[woeful plume]

Let me consult the Oracle...

[woeful plume]

The Oracle does not know.

[naive wren]

keep crashing as soon as i chose my character ?

[surreal fiber]

run into trio team when we queued duo..please explain???

[cursive shuttle]

You qued wrong or got teamers

[unreal obsidian]

@abstract siren at least half the day

[timid sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZL2uG4VJ8 Hide is still bugged from weapon effects

[sly adder]

There were supposed to fix it last patch….

[solar sage]

Dead and deader

[empty zealot]

some times i'm getting ghost hits it seems, on the death cam i'm missing hits I saw register with blood during the fight.... anyone else notice this?

[left smelt]

Guys (and gals), what is your approach to loot sharing in the teams you play with? I play in a trio as a Cleric and I spend 30-50% of my time sitting and regenerating spells because my teammates are taking hits from mobs, so I extract with about 50% less loot value than the others.

In the game, you can check your stats to see how much loot you've extracted (Player statistics button in the bottom right corner of the lobby screen). Since it's a team game, I suggested that we try to keep these numbers as similar as possible (i.e., we aim for the person with the lowest "extracted loot value" stat to extract with the best treasure, since we only play "trio mode" together, so these are only out team's stats). Unfortunately, this was met with strong opposition, and the dominant approach is "what you loot is yours."

Please don't bash my teammates, just share how you handle this in your teams. I'm looking for solutions 🙂

[ember holly]

@left smelt What I did with my team is stop healing 😂🤣 let them actually learn to fight the mobs the way I use heals are mostly for a pvp encounter most times or right before a fight. Sounds messed up but I can actually loot and not have to worry about them ruining my runs now that they can handle mob clearing.

[onyx ginkgo]

Dont heal them when they are against mobs, only heal in PvP situations. That way your teammates learn how to PvE without being healed, and you get to play and loot more than just sit waiting for spells]

[ember holly]

No way me and Lucius are cracked like that whatttt

[onyx ginkgo]

great minds think alike XD

[ember holly]

Better drink a potion my boy 🤣🤣😂

[onyx ginkgo]

next potion i drink is in ur name, cheers!

[ember holly]

@onyx ginkgo 🤣

[elfin fern]

I honestly think spell recovery should work differently, and i say this as someone who doesn't play a caster. Nobody likes popping a squat to recover

[left smelt]

well, I really don't mind to be honest, I'm fine with slower gameplay, but in a case like this, it's not worth to be a caster 😛

because you sit more, loot less and extract with less

[lone garnet]

or the best one, mana

[elfin fern]

Idk since it seems like universal ammo, and while itd probably be tied to character and stats instead of invy i still see it being much more difficult to balance

Meditate is nice but taking up a whole ability slot is kind of insane

[lone garnet]

agreed should be perk atleast

but even so the waiting time is not fun, since you have a timer and looting to do

even a "bandage" for spell recovery would be nice

atleast that way you move a bit

[sly furnace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1d3cen8/poll_should_all_players_except_rouge_give_off_an/

Go vote.

[lone garnet]

?

[sly furnace]

Its a poll i made on reddit.

[lone garnet]

didn't we got exactly those changes recently ?

[sly furnace]

They reverted Creep. Which i disagree with. Beacuse my answer to the poll question is NO.

[lone garnet]

well speaking of creep and sitting down, they don't go well together

[analog meteor]

rogue is spelled "rogue"

[sly furnace]

i know i know i know. Mon Clavier est en francais. C'est la faute de "Auto-Correct"

[analog meteor]

ah explains the rouge lol

[sly furnace]

Lol yeah

If you look at the body text. I spelled it correctly the 2nd time 😛

[vagrant furnace]

20 ales. It's over, its done.

[steep leaf]

does some1 know how to prevent lags from wizard haste or ignite?
my game gets fcking crazy when someone cast these

[sly furnace]

Really? That's the first time I've seen that issue

[steep leaf]

XD

[sly furnace]

does it happen only when seomone elses casts it? or when you cast it

[steep leaf]

someone else

[sly furnace]

hmmm. Maybe check your video setting a turn down Particle effects?

[steep leaf]

where do I turn it off then

[sly furnace]

look around in your video setting. Don't have the game open so i can't check right now

[steep leaf]

from what I know I can't change it

also I have all of the visual quality setting turned to low

And lags appeared after one of the recent hotfixes

[sly furnace]

Damn well, then sounds like they broke something

[unreal obsidian]

What's my cinder worth?
+3 weapon damage +3 max health 9.2% buff duration 14.7% magical interaction 10.5% reg interaction

and what does "sk" mean in the trading post when selling named weapons

[tardy sandal]

Skull key

[elfin fern]

@feral comet god i hate true stacking so goddamn much

[feral comet]

@elfin fern thats so funny i was going to message you how sorry i was here about it

u are always in my lobbies, im sorry man

[feral comet]

are you pushing demi? lemme help you out

[elfin fern]

im not even exemplar

[feral comet]

what are you in duos?

[elfin fern]

wanderer

dw about it i just dont know what to do in those situations

i thought once mc was over i wouldnt have to deal with w key rogues

[feral comet]

can i compensate for the cheese push? i have too much

[elfin fern]

nah i gotta learn one way or the other but the price is i vent like a baby

[high sapphire]

I LOVE BRINGING IN GEAR TO TRY AND GET SOME AP AND A RANDOM BARB WITH NOTHING CAN FACE TANK ME AND 4 HITS OF A 100 DMG SPEAR. in conclusion please fucking nerf barb its the fucking dumbest solo class and the only reason i cant fucking stand playing this game rn.

[feral comet]

okay, brother. just know i instantly recognized you and was unhappy to see it was you i did it to

[elfin fern]

if you still have the necklace ill buy it back i suppose, depending on the price

[feral comet]

brother i will kit you out for the rest of the wipe

[elfin fern]

i think i have what i need for now, ill lyk tho

[feral comet]

i didnt pick the necklace, just your hat, rapier, gloves pants

[elfin fern]

yea dont worry about those gg

[feral comet]

yea i was a little extra there, ggs

if u got ur bard buffs up, you should just turn and attack me. its the only chance i think

i think 3 hits and you kill me buffed up

[elfin fern]

theyd have to all be headshots and the prot pot makes things tougher

i dont remember if i even heard you up to that point, i just did the standard "turn around to see my situation" and you were like 8 feet behind me

[feral comet]

if i spawn in that room i get the hell out immediately

typically that back north side and head straight across. its a murder hole in there

but yea, i timed the door opening with the wizard fireball

[earnest loom]

does anyone know how much pdr / mdr the dummy has?

[worldly plover]

how do i report preteaming to devs

[echo sparrow]

#in-game-reports

[mellow perch]

whats the best way to get ap currently?

besides kills

[zealous nova]

Trinkets still

[mellow perch]

like sellables?

[zealous nova]

Exemplar+ is still ass for AP gains imo

[mellow perch]

yeah im pushing to exemplar from purp2

[echo sparrow]

hit the pile, open the beeg chests, get those good trinkets, kill the bosses

[mellow perch]

yes chef

[echo sparrow]

i have faith, for afterall, im a cleric main

[mellow perch]

you werent the cleric that just asked ab the ale were you?

[echo sparrow]

in game? no sir.

[elfin fern]

🍞 🇱 🇪 🇹 🍞 🇺 🇸 🍞 🇨 🇱 🇮 🇨 🇰 🍞 🇹 🇭 🇷 🇴 🇺 🇬 🇭 🍞 🇹 🇴 🇦 🇸 🇹 🇸 🍞

[mental halo]

Can someone explain what the inventory rework the devs have been doing REALLY means

[carmine bronze]

when is it suppose to wipe?

[echo sparrow]

refactoring is backend stuff. its basically rewriting whats already written, to add more stuff onto it, without breaking it later. more or less

@carmine bronze june 7th

[carmine bronze]

@echo sparrow thanks

[muted crow]

@glad thunder PLEASE REMOVE ALL THROWABLES FROM GAME.

@glad thunder ALSO REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR THE DRUM TO BE THROWN. IT'S JUST BAD GAMEPLAY STANDING THERE THROWING SHIT AT EACH OTHER PRAYING TO HIT MORE. IT'S GARBAGE PVP DESIGN. THEN AGAIN YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT DESIGNING A PVP ENCOUNTER

[echo sparrow]

sounds liek you are taking part in the drum throwing

[muted crow]

that's Throw and Thrower for ya

[echo sparrow]

sounds like you lost at dodgeball xD

[muted crow]

nobody wins dodgeball

[echo sparrow]

Use a shield next time

[muted crow]

oh yeah shields guarantee you won't get hit, i forgot.

[muted crow]

it's not a me problem it's a @glad thunder problem. the throwing meta is just stupid. remove, easy fix.

[echo sparrow]

Have good time yelling to the void then

[muted crow]

it'll be more fun then playing this game

[brisk shore]

Does the dungeon recovery system not work?

[elfin fern]

its worked for me a few times, the main thing is to make sure the dungeon is closed when you go to check the goblin merchant

[brisk shore]

yeah it didnt work

[elfin fern]

its possible someone took everything

[brisk shore]

lost some bis in hell to zone

[elfin fern]

no way anyone could have reached you? dark grew darker?

maybe goblin doesnt go down to hell

[mellow perch]

just got esp'd i love my life

[formal moon]

Dead game who cares

[hard rock]

🍞 🇱 🇪 🇹 🍞 🇺 🇸 🍞 🇨 🇱 🇮 🇨 🇰 🍞 🇹 🇭 🇷 🇴 🇺 🇬 🇭 🍞 🇹 🇴 🇦 🇸 🇹 🇸 🍞

[silver rapids]

is there no way to search by in game player name, only account name? homie rogue died to cylcops and directed me to his body trynna help him out lol. bro had grimsmiles

[minor nacelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/xsCu8PV2fx
I shared some thoughts on how thought we could reduce useless stats and deal with the gear diff issue and I’m getting mindlessly downvoted with no actual discussion. Could anyone articulate to me why my ideas are so bad outside of “flat damage bad” given I add lots of logic and validation to this concept despite it allowing flat damage to exist in a different form. I’m not looking to fight just to understand

[warped raft]

so funny how many people sit right at 299 gs lol its almost like they dont want to face anyone they cant take some kind of advantage of ...

[shadow bough]

Just quest and chill till wipe. All of our problems will be solved with increase in timmies

[lusty spade]

I just don' want to spend 10k on a kit

[static rapids]

I know right haha how funny is it people do the same thing you could do, but you’d rather cry about it

[shadow bough]

The gear diff is not the worst tbh. It only feels like garbage when your melee vs ranged, even then theres room to reset or dip

Also its end of wipe if you dont have gold to use on kits what did you spend your time doing?

[warped raft]

or i could not try to constantly be a scum and just play and not always try to seal club

[shadow bough]

Honestly not the end all be all, unless your building even your cheap kits wrong. PDR, AGI, Ms all great stats you can build. I can confidently say unless someone is running at me with a unique theres room to outplay. Besides if your so upset at gear diff, just play ranger and buy a bow

I get being upset at shit like Sprint Barb or other Ambush Rogue that should'nt be in the game, but are you just complaining that your bad at PvP?

[zealous nova]

I swear ales can kiss it, most elusive item in the game for me

Countless runs across all maps I only have 15, i did ears in two runs cmon lol

[static rapids]

What exactly is scum about gearing up to the max for the lobby? Honestly they added the gear score in the game for a reason, use it or don’t. Don’t cry because you aren’t good at the game

[plucky talon]

Whats the advantage when everyone in your round can go to 299 you brainless little crybaby

[zealous nova]

Yo dude who just stabbed the warlock in the back after being friendly on ice caves, I hope you stub your toe

[warped raft]

defensive much ? must have struck a chord lol

[static rapids]

Okay so no answer at all you just aren’t very good, got it lmao

[warped raft]

your wit knows no bounds

[fleet pelican]

my barbarian just rolled a unique from reward tokens, aramet, dark plate armor, or occultist pants?

[static rapids]

Nobody is being witty, if you don’t have an actual answer why are you complaining in this discord about it? Because you’re absolute trash at the game, could be no other answer. Go outside

[arctic crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblsRxoOJmY

the guy goes in FIRST game he gets sniped and teamed on for his gear IRONMACE REMOVE LOBBY inventory PEAKING\

[proven prawn]

cosmicvoid gonna get some big money tonight

[vocal wren]

Yo are there any guaranteed static beer spawns?

I can't drop ale anywhere

[arctic crow]

nope you just gotta spam kill mobs for a random drop

[vocal wren]

it drops from mobs?!

I only found it RARELY in chests and sometimes in goblin caves on the goblin shaman shelfs room

[surreal fiber]

quick question anybody, if i have 10 additional magical dmg on my rogue. wont the poison weapon perk max damage be at 14 per tick?

[cosmic swan]

Ale don't drop on mob, the best way to loot them is on small and medium bronze chest and large wooden chest in the Frost cavern

[cosmic swan]

You have around 10% drop chance in those chest

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Ale You have the drop table here

[vocal wren]

oh man thank you so much

does luck help in any way or does it hinder the drop chance?

[cosmic swan]

No additional damage don't work like that on DoT attack. See the damage of poison and stuff like that as 5 damage split in 4 tick. The additional damage will add to the 5 damage, so with 2 additionnal damage you'll deal 7 damage split in 4 tick

Their is very few spell/skill/perk who really do damage per tick, like the Drum song on Bard who deal magical damage, or I think the dark ray of the warlock (not sure about this one). This few spell will add true/additionnal damage to each tick but most of the time they're scaling is terrible like the Drum song have a 10% scaling, that mean you need to have 10 additional damage to deal 1 more damage per tick

The wording in the description of spell and skill is sometime very wrong or confusing. Look at the wiki everything is not up to date but most of the time it describe better how spell work. https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Classes

Was it clear? English is not my 1st language i'm not sure I explained that well

[surreal fiber]

got it. thank you @cosmic swan. i was wondering why i have 10 add. mag. dmg and dealing only 9 per tick at the dummy. again, thanks for the explanation. i will check the wiki too.

[cosmic swan]

Also Poison weapon have a scaling of 50% if i'm right so you'll need to stack a lot of true/additionnal magical damage to make it efficient. It is way better to stack true PHYSICAL damage as they'll deal 100% of the damage. Unfortunately Poison Weapon is not easy to improve, I guess it's better to get a bit of magical power than true magical damage

[cosmic swan]

Np 👍 If you have any question, pls do

[elfin fern]

how do people survive in these lobbies, honest question. seems i get snuck up on in every other lobby, and even when i successfully escape there's someone laying in wait with a boc or a w key build

pdr build, vigor build, doesn't matter, i just die

[cosmic swan]

Yep everyone is full stuff it's terrible xD

[proven prawn]

streamer starts his first game with a big kit, instant getting sniped, second game sniped again and getting flamed in whispers

with so few ppl still playing its crazy having that many toxi ppl left

[merry sapphire]

Hi Guys, today ask me a Random Guy, i was Rouge and i was Invisible, he told me rouge are broking and he killed me, is the invisible working or not ?

[cosmic swan]

I guess toxic people and cheater are still here because they don't find their fun in the game but in trolling and killing other player.

[proven prawn]

yeah likely

[cosmic swan]

The last hotfix was supposed to fix the issue (people could see you when hiding) but I saw someone say that it was still bugged

[merry sapphire]

today i got much times killed in the invisible modus it was really shit...

[abstract valve]

How does the ingame chat work?

[cosmic swan]

Press Enter and type your message. If you want to wisper to someone you can type /w CharacterName then press space and write your message. You can also type /r then press Space to answer to someone who just wisper to you

[surreal fiber]

i spotted a rogue in invis during a run because his rupture or cutthroat was showing through the invis. i dont think it was suppose to work like that tho.

[naive acorn]

actual question, I don’t play dnd that often so i’m not up to date on current news. Why is the player base so low atm, especially viewership on twitch?? Did something happen 😦 love this game lol

[merry sapphire]

ahh yeah good to know, no this need to be a bug i was have rupture too in invis last months and i didnt have the problem but now i have

[cosmic swan]

Nop it's a bug, it was supposed to be fix in the last hotfix but seems it's still here

[surreal fiber]

this was last night

[merry sapphire]

today i was have the problems much times

[surreal fiber]

yeah dont use your skills that glow on your hands before you go invis

[merry sapphire]

Thanks Bro, but in the beginning this was possible tooo but now i will wait with the hand skills hope this bugg will be fixed

[surreal fiber]

like Dilo said, it is a bug, i didnt know until now tbh.

[cosmic swan]

It's more a addition of small issues and missed deadline who result in content being delayed. The playerbase have deacreased slowly and a few week/month ago they tried to add a multiclass system they didn't really tested on the test server before release on live server, that really split the community in half. Half of them really liked it the other hated it. So first people who didn't like multiclassing leaved then after sometime Ironmace choose to remove the feature and then the other half leaved the game. That's why the playerbase is so low. Imo the game is improving even if mistake are made or thing take time. I love the game and think it's going to good way. A big patch is coming with the wipe on June 7th. Ironmace said that they're going to all in on this patch, i'm really hyped about it and I hope it will bring back people and make them stay on the game

[cosmic swan]

People can see the hand skill but also the potion on your belt, be careful

[merry sapphire]

Thanks Bro

[timid temple]

ay to the warlock that chased a fighter across the map just now in HR goblin caves. I made it out. try better next time

[graceful storm]

Everyone who has been active in this disc since 2023 needs an 'OG' role once the game goes on major platforms and all the fresh timmies pour in

[surreal fiber]

just watched a live streamer found a rogue in invis with their hands skills glowing. dead rogue now. ouch.

[merry sapphire]

:/

[knotty kernel]

This game is never gone hit major platforms

[flat badger]

will dwarf and goblin race ever be added?

[formal moon]

Idk, both are bad ideas. So very likely

[barren ingot]

This game is completely dead next season if they don’t bring out an absolute banger update. And I doubt the devs are capable of that tbh. Even if the update is good they will ruin on some way or another which has been their trend since day 1

[gusty anchor]

UNPLAYABLE lag in gc again

[graceful storm]

if I had a nickle for everytime I heard that

[barren ingot]

If you knew anything about the game you would agree. A good update on S3 can save the game though otherwise it’s over

[flat badger]

man the rubber banding lately has been hell

[graceful storm]

I know plenty and I do agree, but it does get old hearing that before every single update. Games fun, theyre doing their best to make it better and successful. Wish everyone would try having a good attitude about it for once instead of being doomers 24/7 😀

[knotty kernel]

We are doomers because the game was more fun 6 months ago and more fun 6 months before that. The game has been in a downward trend and only gotten worse since EA launched. At this point the best change they could make would be to undue all 51 hotfixes and re-release the game as dark and darker classic

[wooden light]

is anyone experiencing a really HARD lag randomly throughout the game, alot when you start combat with really anything

[flat badger]

yeah rubber banding all over the place

[wooden light]

it doesnt even feel like rubber banding, theres no bounce back, just literally a freeze, and than i get damaged

[flat badger]

well im rubber banding like crazy like literally unplayable

[wooden light]

i feel like i really wasnt getting alot of that prior to last nights patch

[flat badger]

yeah last night it was playing fine

[barren ingot]

Dude I have been playing this game since the first week of beta. I’ve seen every single update from then to its current state. There has been way more bad updates than good ones in this game. “Ohh but it’s in early access” that shit don’t fly with me either. These devs do 0 testing and then break the game anytime there’s a major change, I’ve seen it that many times I’m suprised I actually stuck with it and kept playing just like many others who have had their faces put in the mud time and time again. We love this game and that’s why we are still playing but there does come a time when the player get sick of it , they get sick of the bad choices made by devs, they get sick of no content grinding the same shit over and over. People get tired man and that’s where alot of the OG players are at. If you are new great! You missed out on a lot of bs prior to the state of the game now

[flat badger]

[graceful storm]

I have been playing as long or longer than you but im not intersted in moaning about it. everyone knows the same stuff we do, you can be positive and hope for the best or waste your time complaining to random trolls in here which doesnt really accomplish much

[knotty kernel]

There is a difference between being optimistic and being delusional

[urban pivot]

anyone know when it’s wiping

[barren ingot]

If you can have any positivity left in you after playing as long as I have been then I take my hat off to you sir! That’s actually insane

[barren ingot]

This is spot on!!! Couldn’t of said it better myself

[slow wing]

@glad thunder Is Rupture still bugged and seen through Hide?

[knotty kernel]

yes it is still bugged, everything that glows can be seen while you are in hide, Rupture, weakpoint, cut throat, even poison weapon. I do not know if it applies to potions as well, but I have heard rumors potions on belt still appear while in hide as well.

[elfin fern]

please tell me the lizard barb who just took an elevator with a bard is in here

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[elfin fern]

why is ap at the end of game out of sync with ap on leaderboard?

@north apex not cool

[north apex]

LOL

what happen @elfin fern

[elfin fern]

i had the luck to be sandwiched between you and some ranger

the only other escape from that room is the slowing goo

[north apex]

I tried to be friendly man

[elfin fern]

bad time for my voip to not work

[scenic hornet]

what is the hard earned ale even supposed to be ?

[elfin fern]

rest emote

[elfin fern]

the fuck? i just lost 550 in voyager 2? get your shit together please

[mellow perch]

does weakpoint affect bosses?

[sleek rock]

how did that guy beat the troll in 14 seconds?!?!?!\

[buoyant wadi]

Wipe is on the 7th, yeah?

[bitter trail]

hide is not working on rouge

[high gate]

Yea

[warped raft]

being seen while invis?

[bitter trail]

yeah

[warped raft]

they keep trying to fix this but ever since they changed it, it has not worked right since, thought someone was hacking earlier then i watched the kill cam and they could see me plain as day

[bitter trail]

yup same

[spare jetty]

Im wondering if returning a week before wipe is worth it? I heard they changed some things? Is there any reason to download and play before the wipe hits? could someone whos regularly playing give me the sitrep please

[placid holly]

how long do you have to wait on dungeon recovery?

[humble slate]

you definitely wanna play a bit before wipe just for practice otherwise you will fall behind the average squad quickly on wipe week

[cosmic swan]

Arfreezy is right and also just to learn the new things, new balance etc so you don't lose time next season dying to thing you could have learn right now

[cosmic swan]

Until the game you were in end (don't know if for crypt that mean end of crypt or hell)

[spare jetty]

Thank you dudes! I saw they made it so you can do the final quests for all the traders without having done the previous ones but like, whats the point of that if its wiping soon anyways lol.

[cosmic swan]

https://youtu.be/2snCuZKfgpU?si=lPPdcbdqVHvVh_7i like this

[cosmic swan]

The skin you unlock with the quest are permanent they stay after the wipe (actually that's true for every skin)

[static rapids]

Parrying

[spare jetty]

huh? What skin? Which traders final quest gives you a skin?

Also can somebody please tell me what the previous sound falloff ranges were for footsteps? Because the new patch notes are lost on me since I havent played in a long time and never really knew what the pre-patch footstep falloff ranges were.

[fleet pelican]

collector gives you a skin, goblin gives you an emote, and the tavern master gives you a kin for your ale. as for the patch notes, there was universal creep before this, so people could walk without making footsteps. this just ended it

[sly frost]

@zinc sparrow @glad thunder I want you guys to actually go into goblin HR as cleric and go up against any opponent who is geared to the teath. I am level 260 cleric and have been maining cleric since playtest 2. YOU CANT FUCKING CATCH ANYONE who does NOT want to be caught and you do not have the spells to be able to do ranged combat for a extended period. And the ones who do want to be caught are more then happy to get into a 1v1 with you cause they are geared to the teath. PLEASE for the love of christ give us some kind of ability to do damage to people at medium range.

Here is the usual scenario

U chase them they run. Because we are in HR they probably have 310 + movement speed. You chase them with your hands out. They are faster because herp derp Cleric's base agi is lower then everyone elses. So then you have to either Lose on tankiness. Lose out on magic damage, lose out on knowledge or lose out on movement speed you CANT build everything where as any other class in the game can build exactly what they want. Unless you want to spend like 20 K on one kit. Then MAYBE you can kind of chase people.

The reason why this is a issue is if you run into a wizard or a ranger and you have not built movement is is fucking over. If you run into a barb and only build movement and he has movement it is also over. Go fight a geared ranger in HR who know what he is doing you are just fucked.

So anyway you are chasing them you both have 310 movmenet. The moment they hear you pull out your spell book they are going to turn around and stab you in the face. Bards are GREAT at doing this. By the time your weapon is out you have been stabed once in the face and the second one is coming. They just get free damage. When you are chasing if you have the audacity to judgment someone unless they have fucked up massively by pulling mobs or done something stupid they will just run out of range of your judgment.

If i can have ANY SPELL FEAT OR ABILTIY in the game as cleric. It would be ZAP staff mastery is a close second but ZAP prevents this ABSOLUTE bull shit of them just being able to run from you. ALSO try fight a geared to the teeth ranger even if you are geared they are getting 2 shots in for every one of your holy strikes. By the time you holy strike them twice which like 80 damage ona decent kit you are just fucking dead from being shot if they land shot for shot. And god help you if you miss a SINGLE holy strike

Play cleric is not about playing well. Playing solo cleric is PRAYING your opponent makes a STUPID descion in HR. Normals is a differnt story due to no one having movement. I will hapily fight ANY class in norms because in my opinion it is far more balanced since no one has anything. I think rangers and wiz need some love in that bracket thou. Especially wiz on low end just sucks.

A man can dream cant he ?

[feral karma]

Cleric outside of trios is just a shit experience. Endlessly spaced till death with zero movement.

[sly frost]

I wouldnt mind palying as a slow character

if we just some form of response we could do. The moment you run out of h oly strikes you are COMPLETLEY at thewhim of your opponent

And they know it.

[feral karma]

Yeah, the only class cleric can kill easily is itself.

[sly frost]

Playing cleric is like playing warlock but you only have 1 ranged damage spell and 4 charges

Thats how cancer it is

Im just tired of playing a class that endlessly is punished for wanting to support your friends in dungeon.

BUT IM ADDICTED SO FIX THE GAME REEE

The other problem is that every other class in the game other then bard when they wante to selfbuff its instant

[peak bane]

Hey, I'm guessing wizzard isn't worth running anymore right? I have only seen like.. maybe 20 the whole season. Has made it Nigh impossible to get 5 wizzard kills for that one quest.

[sly frost]

for cleric all of our buffing spoells take like 5 seconds to get out in solo and they are weaker then other classes INSTANT button rpess buffs

[sly frost]

In normals its like 1 per 20 games wizzards i mean

[peak bane]

Damn, is he just too weak now to be viable, or is it that Warlock is just much more stronger so there is no reason to run wizzard?

[feral karma]

Warlock is just one of the strongest classes in the game.

[sly frost]

Low gear warlock > wizzard

High gear warlock > wizzard

[peak bane]

TBH I feel warlock needs some major changes. Curse of pain is too OP in my opinion. Maybe give him like... set ammount of charges per game like a rangers food ration that can't be restored. and have it also use blood, but give eback more to compensate

What do you guys think?