game-discussion

[rocky plover]

when does this season end?

[sour fable]

if by "better players" you mean "more geared players" then yes

[frail rampart]

There is a rogue in my game right now that is cheating. he has permanant invis moving at 330 move speed, anything i can do?

[sour fable]

report him in-game, that's pretty much all you can do

[cosmic lava]

stop playing cheater infested game?

[naive oxide]

Imagine being so mad you lurk in a game's discord and tell people not to play it

[stuck geyser]

do you guys have less fps today in the game?

[sour fable]

Not less fps, but I’ve been jittering and rubber banding heavily

[slender light]

Does Smite scale off of ANY modifier??

[formal moon]

Well, it's actually pretty solid advice

[echo sparrow]

you can report ingame, i think its R when you are spectating them. if you have video evidence you can also report it here on the discord.

[chilly crag]

Most geared players are ass that bought there shit

[hard rock]

Game is ass

[sturdy dagger]

Sorry, already used mine, but game is fun

[echo sparrow]

i love being able to recongize the doomers and gloomers by name. they need this discord just as much as they want to leave it.

[naive oxide]

Your car’s check engine light will come on the next time you start it.

[hard rock]

Why

[naive oxide]

Because cursing people is fun

[naive oxide]

It will take three weeks to find that last quest item.

[echo sparrow]

no way i finish my quests by wipe.

[sturdy dagger]

Let me try. Your socks will be slightly wet next time you put them on

[naive oxide]

I’m already wearing socks

[sturdy dagger]

Well then, TESTICULAR TORSION

[naive oxide]

You testicular torsion wizards think you’re so tough. Lets see how you handle this combo: MEND BUTTCRACK + UNHOLY DEFACATION

[sturdy dagger]

I would cast REPEL MAIDENS upon thee, but it seems ANOTHER WIZARD BEAT ME TO IT.

[naive oxide]

[lean ginkgo]

Any ideas how much could I sell a purple fox pendant with 3 true phys, 2 phys pwr, and 6 max health?

[sturdy dagger]

A gummy bear

dunno, probably around 300 gold

[naive oxide]

That’s it. I cast my most powerful of curses: LOWER CREDIT SCORE

[fallow linden]

is druid on main branch yet?

[sturdy dagger]

You fool, my credit score can't get any lower

[naive oxide]

God rolls for a ranger. Try 2k and work it down

[sturdy dagger]

not yet, i suspect it'll be at best a couple patches until it's added

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah, don't trust me, I know nothing about the market value of items

[naive oxide]

Then you leave me no choice: I cast HOMOEROTIC VORTEX

[sturdy dagger]

NOO, I BECAME FLORIDIAN

[naive oxide]

SUMMON FENTANYL GORILLA

[sturdy dagger]

I CAST ALLIGATOR SWARM

[naive oxide]

I CAST COMMAND SKELETON - ON YOURS

[sturdy dagger]

That I hadn't hear before, nice one

I concede, you win this round

[naive oxide]

jolly good show

[vestal falcon]

So when we going to fix all the cheating

[sturdy dagger]

Reporting usually works, all cheaters i've encountered have been banned

[vestal falcon]

Play 299 plus and it's completely out of hand

[sturdy dagger]

I am not good/confident enough to go 299+

[naive oxide]

I’m at the point where I pub stomp normies but get absolutely deleted in high roller

[sturdy dagger]

I stomp and get stomped on, doesn't help that I always try to meme

[naive oxide]

My problem is I refuse to use cheese builds I think. Or kite. If you get close to me I’m throwing hands as a ranger I just don’t care that much.

but if only that actually worked and I didn’t get two tapped by every class, even the ones I “counter”

[sturdy dagger]

that's why I only run longsword

[naive oxide]

Based

[sturdy dagger]

I miss shield mastery on warlock

[naive oxide]

I miss having rupture achilles on ranger

[sturdy dagger]

I don't miss you having that

[naive oxide]

Achilles was to stop them from RUNNING AWAY 😈

[sturdy dagger]

Oh lord, I hope they do a good rework on multiclassing

[naive oxide]

Same. Some playstyles just aren’t viable really without it

But then again do I really want to go back to cactus wizards that also have cleric spells?

[sturdy dagger]

The whole iron will/robust/savage roar meta was even worse

[naive oxide]

Do I really want to go back to sprint rage barbs?

Literally every class running slayer?

[quick fern]

no multiclassing add more perks to every class

[naive oxide]

Smite rogues? Holy shit I cannot keep my eyes ipen I am gonna take a nap goodnight lads

[sturdy dagger]

It'd be nice if we had weaker versions of other class skills/perks

[sturdy dagger]

Or make the non viable ones viable, when is the last time you saw a warlock use evil eye?

[quick fern]

evil eye doesnt work scouting is viable

[sturdy dagger]

that doesn't answer my question

[quick fern]

warlocks cant use the spell cuz its not functioning not cuz what the spell does is bad

[sturdy dagger]

What?

the spell does work, it's just ass

[quick fern]

its not working for me

[sturdy dagger]

dahecc

[quick fern]

yeah free intel is super strong in every video game its just not working

[sturdy dagger]

It doesn't last long enough for that intel to be useful tho, you can just listen and get more info than the evil eye ever could

[quick fern]

youre suppose to be able to summon a thing and move around and control it im psure, so you could see exactly what classes they are what gear etc its more info than hearing

[sturdy dagger]

Dunno, I don't think you have enough time to gather that much info in the little time it lasts

[quick fern]

i only need to see them for 1 second to know their class and weapons

and i think its more value in teams than solos too

[brisk mason]

its disabled cause of a bug

[sturdy dagger]

Absolutely

[sturdy dagger]

Gotcha, didn't know it was still disabled, thank you

[proven pewter]

omg omg omg I am so full of rage... I couch ducked and looked down, 3 swings in a row and this skele longswordsman still hit me all 3 swings

LF someone willing to help me 2man the cyclops. I can't get him past the rockfall phase without dying, especially not a 2nd rockfall phase.

[cosmic saffron]

You were probably on a slope which is why the skele hit you

[frozen umbra]

Make it so ranger traps take priority over bodies when disarming it, it's completely unfair when you're trapped in place with the ability to do LITERALLY NOTHING but dodge in place.

[cosmic saffron]

Or they can make it so you can’t place traps on covered terrain

[rocky plover]

did the devs say anything about player housing?

[frozen umbra]

Or they could just remove them, the only reason why they exist is to make ratting easier.
Or just make them equal to the caltrops in every way, making them more based off of damage then "haha you can't move for 6 years"

[indigo cedar]

I don't play ranger very often but just jump over pretty much any door you cant see the ground over. If you think a ranger is camping close don't walk over dead bodies. It's how I avoided the all mighty 12G trap.

[frozen umbra]

I ran into one, then ran into a second after getting into a two minute fight where I got outsped every second. If you actually expect me to use my xray vision to see under: bodies, dark terrain, around corners and etc then idk.
(I'm not upset over being outsped, I'm upset over traps btw ignore the outsped part of me coping)

The amount of damage one small mistake causes is goober-esc

[indigo cedar]

That's why I resepct rangers, don't fight them on their land. Even without traps rangers are still GREAT at holding chokepoints.

If a good ranger sets up shop, you best believe he aint leaving until the storm evicts him.

[jaunty topaz]

As a former wizard main who switched to be a ranger main I can confirm that we are pure evil and get a huge dopamine rush from a poor soul walking into one of our 40 traps

[frozen umbra]

I can't do shit when it's the final part of zone

[stoic fog]

do we kno when druid comes out?

[silent mauve]

Grayson told me he’s gonna release it on my birthday

[glossy barn]

If devs didn’t waste 9 months of development time on solo mode, think of all the things they could have fixed or added

[scenic hornet]

Wasted on solo mode ? Woooot

[scenic hornet]

Fuck rangers tho

[stray marlin]

are test servers crashing for anyone else?

[wind venture]

CAN WE FUCKINGGG DELETE CREEP ALREADY!!!!

[misty idol]

Is a wipe due soon?

[brisk mason]

around a month from now more or less

[high sapphire]

no i like it

[green wigeon]

if i get last hit butt they die to swarm does it count for my quest?

[scenic hornet]

You didnt get last hit then..

[high sapphire]

hahaha rat ranger so fun. free loot yummy

[outer ridge]

Remove ranged from the game

[high sapphire]

pen shot windlass baby

[bleak mural]

yo so super random idea. the maps are tiles with optional door ways in the same spots on every tile. it would be awesome to allow players a separate editing program to make our own tiles and allow more randomization of the maps. to allow more fairness between new and high experienced players but also more content and variety. also it would be cool to set up our own 3x3 labrynths with a boss on the end and we can rate them by difficulty.

[misty idol]

ah cool. thanks

[indigo cape]

game is dog

[lean harness]

Is there a lot of ESP hacking going on? or is it me?

[high sapphire]

idk some days are worse than others lol

3rd parties are so shit in gobby caves

every kill i get i stg

[high sapphire]

fucking hate barbs. hes 197 hp with 324 ms and like 50 pdr. talking shit while hes killing me. cant wait for a barb nerf its fucking stupid in solos. i dont even understand how those stats are even allowed. never going into above 300 gs again lol

[quick fern]

cuz game is balanced around trios and barb is weak in trios 🤓

[high sapphire]

how exactly is that weak in trios. please explain how that barb that killed me would get shit on in trios

[stable echo]

Idk how barb is weak in trios since it’s the only class now that can effectively build both mr and pdr

[high sapphire]

dont forget the ms due to the ms cap change. def a huge buff for barbs

[quick fern]

fighter too

[high sapphire]

ok explain why barb is weak in trios please

and not absolutly dominant in solos rn

[stable echo]

Imo the biggest thing is the physical dmg decrease ability. That is nuts broken

[high sapphire]

for me its the ms u can build along with other crazy high stats. u get hit with achilles and ur dead on most classes

[mellow shoal]

hey, i cant see very far away compared to my friends with all my setting turned up. any ideas?

[scenic hornet]

What is the ms cap

[vapid arch]

change them around and restart the game, should work

[vapid arch]

330

[woven matrix]

wind locket seriously needs a buff

[dry plank]

is a necklace with 5 physical power expensive? the only offers are 1500g+ but i cant tell if theyre trolling or not

[proper hollow]

5 phys is good but there are better rolls, what do you have ?

[dry plank]

3% max health and the implicit is 7 max health

[proper hollow]

It's a decent necklace, if you're patient you could list it for over 1k I'm sure

[dry plank]

cool ty man

[outer ridge]

Like a top hat?

[pulsar perch]

Hello, I have a request of y’all;

If you have time, can you reply to this post with your current feelings about playing the game lately? I want to hear how it’s been going for you guys and maybe 1 system you are currently unsatisfied with at the end. Thanks!

Hah

[outer ridge]

[mental jungle]

We went full circle to same meta basicly with no new content since multiclass. Just anything new would be welcomed

And buff/revert cleric top priority

[brisk mason]

i agree. same garbage meta they have never been able to fix. creep hasnt been removed. and there has been nothing new.

Even druid got released to test servers, had tons of issues and you couldnt use any other weapons or gear. The test server died after a day and the class still hasnt been updated since

[low harbor]

When you say meta, do you mean 3s or solo?

[static rapids]

They killed the game taking out MC mid season. Made everyone grind for nothing, then took away the one fun part of this never ending season. Wipes need to happen more frequently, and they need to continue to add things to the game to make it interesting. It’s the same thing over and over again, and I enjoyed the fuck out of this game since the alphas, just now it’s losing its luster for me

[raw helm]

Just throwing ideas around but does anyone think it would be a better idea to have a mana (or mp) bar instead of spell memory, that's basically right next to a spell casters health bar and is affected by knowledge, kind of like how vigor affects hp?

That could also allow them to bring back clarity potions or whatever to refill the bar

[pulsar perch]

Thanks for some of the responses so quick. I’m curious now if you all have any thoughts on the marketplace as a system after having it for a few months. Is it overall a positive system, or do you find it creates problems in the grand scheme?

[static rapids]

Makes everything you find not worth a single thing, previous format was better I think to get your golds worth

[pulsar perch]

Thank you!

[smoky coyote]

when was last wipe

[static rapids]

Over a month ago, and it won’t wipe until next month

[scenic hornet]

what is bis weapon for barb rn

[scenic hornet]

auction house is the best change dnd ever made and its not even close for me and all my friends. the old system was utter trash

[maiden bough]

i think they need to wipe soon to bring the numbers back. MC addition and removal both cut away the player base

[scenic hornet]

ppl said MC killed the game but since MC was removed player base is even smaller than during MC tbh

[maiden bough]

yeah because the people that hated MC left by that point before it was removed. and the only people that stayed were the ones that liked it or tolerated it. when it was removed the ones who liked it left too

[scenic hornet]

make sense

[maiden bough]

at this point i think people in both camps just left and said they would play again once it wipes

[scenic hornet]

I wish they add a replacement to MC when it wipes tho

[maiden bough]

just like a limited MC or class progession/specialization

[scenic hornet]

yep

[maiden bough]

the game will get to a better state. just needs time

[pulsar perch]

Thanks

[maiden bough]

they need to add the game to epic already. and get it relisted on steam honestly. so many people not playing because of that. i remember alphas on steam having 100K+ concurrent players

[scenic hornet]

yeah so many ppl wont ever play a game if its not on steam sadly

[pulsar perch]

Steam might be good, but there’s a ton of indie games that have been big successes on steam that went the same way. I think of phasmophobia as a notable example of a game that essentially is the same game it’s always been, if not worse, over 4 years

[scenic hornet]

phasmophobia is a pve game tho so it make sense it died imo

[pulsar perch]

Troof

[pulsar perch]

Continuing this, what do you guys see as pros and cons to GBMM, APMM, or possibly other types. Do you think these things make the game overall better or worse and why?

[scenic hornet]

to me GBMM is a good idea but needs tuning it clearly made the game better than it was at launch, so many of my friends quit cuz of sweats stomping timmies in norms back in the day

[pulsar perch]

Back when normals was any gear?

[scenic hornet]

Yea

[maiden bough]

i truly think that for GBMM to work and be balanced they need to reduce the number of tiers. like theres currently 7-8 gear tiers. i think its too much. they adopted the mmo gear progression in a pvp focused game. it doesnt translate neatly. i think if they reduced it to 5 tiers or even 6 that it would be much easier to balance

[static rapids]

Player base grew 4K when MC dropped, then when it left player base dropped 5k

[maiden bough]

thats not true. MC was hoving around 6k last week lol

[pulsar perch]

Gear tiers meaning the quality rating?

[static rapids]

It was literally 10k for at least a week and a half of MC every day lmao

[maiden bough]

yea quality of rating. and no it was like 6-7k during peak times. it may have rose 4k initially because people wanted to try it. but people became bored of seeing the same perks over and over

[slow holly]

Apparently lanterns can roll spellcasting stats...

[maiden bough]

and im not shitting on MC by the way. i would like to see it come back but in a more limited format. Not everyone using iron will. smite/BOC, robust and sprint lol.

[scenic hornet]

yeah limited MC like no abilities and only 2 perks and some perks maybe idk

[brazen mason]

There’s only two tiers, up to 299 and 300 and above currently. Last month it’s was 0-199, 200-399, 400+

[woeful plume]

That's what I was saying...but I would limit it to 0 skills, and only 1 perk per character.

[scenic hornet]

yeah would make sense

[maiden bough]

when i say tiers i was referring to the number of gear tiers not gear score tiers. like brown, grey, white, green, blue, purple, orange, named uniques

like the gear is the problem more so than the classes. and it would be easier to balance classes and GBMM if there wasnt so many tiers of gear. it would be easier to bring the stats in line to a more manageable position. instead of trying to fully adopt the MMO gear tiers they should cut it down to a few less tiers

[brazen mason]

Ah I see, yeah tbh that needs to be squashed quite a bit. Grey->unique is a disgusting gap, and that’s not even taking junk quality into account

[maiden bough]

yeah its just too much, because you have to have a power increase per tier but when you have too many tiers the stats get way too inflated because of the forced progression from tier to tier

[quick fern]

you can buy blues for 40-50g from the vendor after some quests

[sullen hearth]

I miss MC it was more Fun

[scenic hornet]

true

[deft vector]

true

[warm warren]

Lets just remove all the classes together with a giant perk and skill pool to pick from and we can all play 'Call of Medieval Fantasy Duty'.

[zealous chasm]

Let's make Cleric Great Again!

[maiden bough]

i just got 1 shit by a long sword riposte when i was full hp 104 health and it 1 tapped me.... that just doesnt seem right. no move in the entire game should be a 1shot lol

[maiden bough]

MC was fun but super problematic. it got old very quick being run down by barbarians with sprint and savage roar lol

[zealous chasm]

You should see me after a few beers....an animal!

[maiden bough]

i would laugh react but it wont let me lol

[warped raft]

i see IM is working on a new game. its call dark and darker: the cycle edition

[hearty cove]

I MISS MULTICLASS

I MISS BEING ABLE TO USE FIGHTER, WITHOUT IRON WILL ALL MAGIC USERS JUST INSTA KILL

[warped raft]

it matters not, game will fall to cheaters since they dont seem to think its problem enough to deal with properly. temp banning cheaters is just padding numbers at this point

[high sapphire]

they temp ban cheaters????

[hearty cove]

i see, that sucks

[zealous chasm]

The Garbo....I mean Goblin Caves

[high sapphire]

thats how it feels rn sadly

[warped raft]

dont worry, im sure they will temp ban them 😉

[proven pewter]

Anyone interested in helping me 2man (or 3man) the cyclops? I don't care if it's normal or HR I just want to get a cyclops kill for the quest.

omg I hate dying to the cyclops stomp while I am in the air... I took double jump for a reason damnit!

[jaunty topaz]

Goblin Caves is fun for pvp but that's about it and also it can get rather stale since it was the only solo map for so long

[wheat fractal]

What server

[proven pewter]

any server you want baby

[wheat fractal]

What's ur normal one?

[proven pewter]

I am on US East Coast but I play on brazil and sydney sometimes too

[winter anchor]

Is leaderboard rewards broken for anyone else?

Cant seem to recieve them

[proven pewter]

No sir not for me, I don't think.

[wheat fractal]

Make sure you have the correct season set

[winter anchor]

I did

[wheat fractal]

I've never had the problem does it say claim and when you click it nothing happens or it doesn't say it at all

[limber atlas]

I guess there's a cheat out there that keeps lights on for you at all times even though other players turned them off? because when i watched a death cam it clearly showed the light i turned off as being on, which is the only reason he could have seen me. my screen and everything around me was completely black cuz i turned the only light off and for him it showed the light was still on. wtf is this

[wheat fractal]

Did you clip it?

[limber atlas]

my fking game crashed shortly after so no

did get the report off though

[wheat fractal]

The report won't do anything unless you actually report with a clip in the discord, the only time a report will give you a ban notification is if someone else does the proper report and you'll get a notification when they get banned

[winter anchor]

It says claimed like shows the check for claimed but never recieved items at all

[limber atlas]

So I have to be recording at all times if I want to hold cheaters accountable, otherwise i just have to deal with having cheaters in every other lobby?

[high sapphire]

yeah its a stupid move on their part

[limber atlas]

yea that is probably why cheaters exist in just about every lobby it seems like

[wheat fractal]

Yeah feels like it, I just have that gforce thing running in the background to clip things when I need, but yeah in my experience they don't get banned just off reports and I wish more players new that

[limber atlas]

I've been playing for a while and I have had ppl get banned and a notification for it but yea I didnt know that. It rly feels like cheaters are more and more prevelant lately and probably because they know and understand that a majority of players arent going to be recording or even know how to fill out a full report for cheaters

[elfin fern]

i do hope full game replays become a thing, that would be sick and so needed

teach noobs, catch cheaters, and immortalize great fights

[limber atlas]

I agree. any systems where players have to gather all video evidence is already a flawed system

[wet leaf]

How come i play 2-3h a day and barely seen any cheating so far..? When in doubt i check deathcam and spectate a bit, 99% of the times i see why or how shit happened

[limber atlas]

2-3 hrs a day during prime times isnt an adequate sample of the game lmao. i have over 2k hours on this game

[dense heron]

I have been playing since before goblin caves existed

Have been lucky enough to avoid cheaters

[twin magnet]

when are they gonna add in raid mechanic

[outer ridge]

Play rogue, you’ll find tons of cheaters. So many people blatantly hit you stealth’d 😂

[dense heron]

Idk man stealth ain't as good as it used to be

[outer ridge]

It’s the exact same as it use to be lol. They only changed the part where if you take the perk to be able to move then you’re a blur and that’s not what I’m referring to

Atleast once a day I find one 😂

[cold dock]

delete wizard buff longbow

[wet leaf]

Once a week i have an epic moment where i hit an invis player because i have the feeling someone is hiding right THERE! Hope i dont get banned for intuition...

[outer ridge]

🚮

[limber atlas]

demon form giving +10 all is fking ridiculous and needs to be removed from the game idgaf

[limber atlas]

intuition my ass you cheating fker

[silver geyser]

@cold dock CONFIRMED STREAMSNIPER 🙂 EXPOSED

[cold dock]

[edgy fossil]

how do I actually progress in the game? i have a level 34 archer and i normally play with my friend who runs healer, we both keep running dungeons, getting loot, using it in high roller, then dying, rinse and repeat but i wanna know how people are getting all these legendary items, uniques etc when i haven't even seen one anywhere, now that i've gotten marketplace, all my skills and a decent understanding of the game, where do i go next?

[narrow plaza]

Whats a gold bag worth rn

[cosmic swan]

Around 3.7k

[cosmic swan]

I guess your next step is trying to kill boss, that's where you can find good loot (in inferno, goblin cave) their is a hoard middle of ice cavern too less loot but you can still loot thing and no boss here

[edgy fossil]

killing a boss i can understand, but wdym with the next thing you said?

[cosmic swan]

They're is also some room locked by golden key with descent loot

[edgy fossil]

what’s a golden key?

[cosmic swan]

I'll explain ^^

[cosmic swan]

Behind every boss you have a small room full of big chest and a hoard of gold that you can loot multiple time and that give ton of random good loot. Golden key are an item dropped by some boss/ mini boss (actually only skeleton champion for the mini boss if i'm right) that allow you to open special door. And behind those door you can find the same room that behind boss

But be careful many people want to go there so it's risky

You should take a look at the wiki of the game (All the page are not up to date but most of them are). It's a good source of knowledge and you can find map of every map of the game

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Dark_and_Darker_Wiki

To the other, correct me if i'm wrong or missed something

[edgy fossil]

oooo thank you

i'll look into all of this and let my friend know, i really appreciate it ‼️

[cosmic swan]

Np that why this discord should by used for xD

[smoky temple]

Barely any players? Joined a few lobbies and each only has 1/2 teams in it

[hushed shell]

Time and region has an effect

but yeah I've heard that currently player counts are between 5-7k

[smoky temple]

sounds like a red herring to me, compartively there are barely any players

[hushed shell]

that is a tiny amount

[smoky temple]

sad, i was enjoying it so far

[hushed shell]

it sounds large. but you have to remember most people will play for like one or two hours, maybe only a few times a week, and that's spread between all the different servers

[cosmic swan]

Ah, just in time i was about to ask a question about that. I saw this in the IM website, is this a real thing? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

If yes why people dont speak more about it? Everybody blame gearscore for empty lobby (and so don't see the good in it) while this is the real problem

[hushed shell]

that is also another reason too

honestly I dont mind all too much, makes the experience of having chill games late at night much more common

[cosmic swan]

For me it look like the main reason if every lobby are split into 3-4 that's why we have empty lobby. If you remove that and keep GBMM i think lobby will be full or at least not 1-2 team per lobby

[hushed shell]

It absolutely would help, maybe doing a split, where during peak hours in larger player regions they do that, and then in the other downtime hours or less busy regions keep it to be the single lobby queues

[cosmic swan]

And the opposite will not be true i guess, remove gbmm may make thing a bit better but won't solve the issue (and remove a feature thats can be good with some change)

[cosmic swan]

Yeah why not

[reef kestrel]

How is the lawsuit going, are there any news?

[sudden ether]

what if the lobby was a tavern with a bar keeper who gives you quest?

[low harbor]

"The court found that 'Ironmace's game does not infringe on Nexon's copyrights or trade secrets,' and therefore did not accept the allegations and suspicions that Ironmace used Nexon's trade secrets and infringed on its copyrights to develop Dark and Darker," the statement continues. "The court also found that Nexon's allegations and evidence were not sufficient to shut down Dark and Darker's service."```

[reef kestrel]

Thanks~
What's the source of that statement? Anywhere I can perhaps read more about this?
Does this mean DaD is coming back to Steam?

[low harbor]

This was a statement from DaD, translated from Korean, on some random gaming news site.

As for steam, I wouldn't hold your breath, any time soon. EG got it. Steam maybe on full release? Who knows. DaD hasn't said anything.

[reef kestrel]

Certainly hope so, it'd boost their numbers. Would hate for the game to sort of vanish slowly after all this

[glossy barn]

games been slowly vanishing since devs spent 9 months prioritizing solo mode instead their actual game, Dark and Darker. No druid, no ruins, no new content, just months of wasted dev time on a whiney bunch of social rejects that collectively cried so hard it confused the devs into compromising their game forever. Solo mode killed Dark and Darker

[reef kestrel]

I haven't been following the developments for a while, there was/is a Solo Mode? Aka, no PvP? Heck

[glossy barn]

solo players certainly enjoyed the empty lobbies last season while they ratted their way to demi god. The lack of PVP was a feature for most of the shiney cape wearers

Remember when devs said they never wanted to add a solo mode to the game becasue it would split the playerbase and compromise dev time moving forward? Then they added solo mode, it split the player base, compromised development time on other aspects of the game, and now Dark and Darker is the lowest pop its ever been

I guess the solo players DIDNT save dark and darker like they claimed XD

[reef kestrel]

Sounds rough. Well, here's hoping they'll turn it around again. I still love this game, there's nothing else quite like it

[glossy barn]

Naw, its too late for them. Devs lost their vision a long time ago

enjoy the few patches here an there every once in a while, but games a shadow of what it could have been if devs didnt waste 9 months appeasing friendless rejects with a solo mode

[maiden nymph]

Dungeonborne on a rise the day it gets released

[glossy barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA oh IM, if only your devs had the same Anti-Nexon backbone towards their playerbase. You wouldn't have compromised your game with a solo mode. Which you knew was bad for the game way back when

[cosmic swan]

Again for the reason of the empty lobby, you should look at that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system That's why we have empty lobby, not solo or gbmm

[low harbor]

It's definitely not JUST that system. Regions + that system + gbmm brackets + solos/duos/trios all adds up.

[cosmic swan]

Yes of course but it's like 1 + 4 + 1 + 1, that system is the main reason

[sinful gull]

The answer is no: there is no solo/pve mode. He means just solo que and tries to convince everybody that solo que ruined the game, repeating himself over and over again..

[thick egret]

They just needed good patches and focus on real gameplay not MC and useless shit

MC broke this game , dumbst thing ever. Other successful EA games have such amazing patches ,

[cosmic swan]

If MC broke the game why is their less people now than when mc was up?

[low harbor]

Because there wasn't also a wipe, truthfully.

[cosmic swan]

It was imperfect sure, but it was new stuff and could have been cool with a bit of time and balancing

[sinful gull]

It is too complicated to pin it down to 1 specific thing. MC was introduced terribly, and the way they removed it was also a blunder. And even before that we had a million lingering problems.

[thick egret]

Because they fucked up everything with it lol they changed the whole game mid way and then go back . Rankings all messed. No one likes that

[cosmic swan]

Exactly

[cosmic swan]

Yeah ok, so the probleme is not MC it's the way they handled it

[thick egret]

Thats the same thing bud

[sinful gull]

We just had a rough season... Barely any progress made with balance or the gameplay loop. I hope we will be moving in the right directions in the future, they need hires that is the true main thing, whoever makes the decisions for all those things we complain in here needs help or needs to be replaced. And by help i mean both at his job and by a psychiatrist.

[cosmic swan]

Not really, because that's two different problem with two different solution. And it wasn't totally useless too, it help them spot a lot of bug or weird interaction on skill/perk etc

[reef kestrel]

Ah okay. I personally don't think Solo is an issue, I play it a lot.

[cosmic swan]

But in the end i'm kinda agree with you, MC was messy af and didn't did good on the playerbase

[thick egret]

They lost alot of streamers which is really bad. They need a road map that they can actually follow

New class and skill tree, man mc was so dam bad….. honestly its like a custom game mode for dota just so bad

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, but they're not organised well enough or not enough people. They keep missing deadline and all

And that's why I think it's important to spot the main problem and not cry about everything because they listen to us and split their effort on multiple task because people cry about everything

That's why i'm talking about that Multi lobby system because for me it's the main issue about empty lobby, not solo/duo and gbmm

(if it really split lobby by 3 like the guys in the video explain, remove it and lobby will have 3 time more people, for a low cost just few people to ban)

[sinful gull]

We had many ups and downs. But this is the darkest it has looked for the game in my opinion. We are also on a downward trend, since the last things people were exited about that they implemeted all been botched. Druid scuffed, MC scuffed, MM scuffed what are we looking forward to now? monk? It will just be completely out of place and badly designed. New maps? all new maps since crypts were mid/bad. What will bring back 20k on a fresh wipe? Arena might bring us back to 20k... for 2days. The foundation is not there to build new stuff on currently.

[neat tundra]

Where the gamers at this is the 5th game in a row in us east and west (rotating) where the lobbies are empty. dous and trios

[thick egret]

Arena lol another terible idea

[neat tundra]

What is arena

[thick egret]

Do these guys never learn lol

[sinful gull]

They confirmed it, im not saying i want it 😄

[thick egret]

The game is def downward spiral. They need to release classes and not care about what player base thinks. But keep making classes

[cosmic swan]

I think equivalent to hell for GC and Frost cavern could be cool (or just put hell ont both for now)

(Or make like Ruin -> GC for now, the map is already here, use it)

[sinful gull]

Totally, there are still classes to come, MC should not even have been a idea until we have all the base DnD classes in. Map content also makes sense but its just not gonna be the same hype as it was in the past.. look at ruins hype then Ice was way less. Cause the trust in IM delivering an solid patch is at a all time low.

[slender panther]

I think this game i dying 😄

[cosmic swan]

Well i'm not agree with you about new class. Ok it's cool and new but on the other hand that mean a lot of balancing, new stuff (so even more balancing), and so dev time. New class take a lot of time

[sinful gull]

To me balance is also more important but we know all the base DnD classes will be in. IM said that in some of the interviews. We cant balance perfectly now, cause monk and sorc isnt in yet, we need a rough balance and get all classes out. If IM said that they arent sure if they add more i would be totally with you.

[cosmic swan]

For me one of the main goal should be make TTK longer, by nerfing stat on item, and that multy lobby bullshit

[thick egret]

Exactly as you release classes it provides better balance opportunities

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok, i get your point. But it will take a lot of time and effort, no content will be out for a long time

[sinful gull]

Yeah ttk is big for me and range meta, door close meta and creep removal. Im taking a break currently for a reason as you can see...

[thick egret]

Content is the classes. These guys gotta study other successful games and implement. Look at dota or LOL same loop just diff heroes

[cosmic swan]

And i guess thx to all the mistake that they made and the actual status of the game, it's a bad timing to go in on new class

[sinful gull]

true, mc is such a massive step back we need next season to get balance back in place and economy is shit imo, too.

and as i said, how would i still look forward to druid, it will be a mess.

[cosmic swan]

Ok but they're like 20 dev, we can't compare DnD to big game like Dota and Lol

[thick egret]

But you can sir, they started small too one point

[cosmic swan]

Yeah but how many time did it take to be there

[thick egret]

And let me tell u, the gameplay loop exact same since day 1

[cosmic swan]

Yes that's one of the main issue too

[low harbor]

... Tencent was already big, before LoL.

[cosmic swan]

yes, but it wasn't tencent at the begin no?

[sinful gull]

ive played LoL since early beta and they started relatively small too. They knew how to grow, the patches were allways thoughtful considering how many champs they have to balance. Im out of LoL now, but i loved they way they handled the game in the early days.

[thick egret]

Ya man and thats what these guys need to do, is copy other successful games like the WoW skill tree, etc

[cosmic swan]

I think that's what they're going for, for the next version of MC

[low harbor]

Reading into it, LoL sort of copied DotA 1 with a f2p model and like a dozen staff, some of them being former dota 1 players.

But the game really took off after tencent acquisition. And even at launch, tencent had partial shares in the company.

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok

To sum up, when we criticize something in the game we should come with idea to fix or change it. Just say "The game dead lol" is useless. If we're all here talking about the game it's because in the end we like it and want it to become better. So we have to work for it too, by talking to people who just trash talk, using the suggestion channel and vote for good suggestion on the IM website

[neat tundra]

What abt having main classes then u can do one sub class and each sub class is somthing unique while thje main class is very broad

like a fighter who is a slayer or a dual wielding rogue maybe a scout subclass or idk there are alot of ideas you can take fron dnd

[cosmic swan]

They talked about the next step for MC in the patchnote of Hotfix 45, they didn't say much but it might go in that way of sub class

[opal saddle]

They need to get a handle on the cheater situation.

[cosmic swan]

Is that really a thing? I play a lot and don't feel like seeing a lot of them. On which server are you playing?

[neat tundra]

Their cheats are usually esp and range hax hard to tell due to lag and stuff but ya there are vids of ppl advertising their clients

[cosmic swan]

Sry but english is not my first language. Esp and range hax?

[neat tundra]

Cheats that tells you everyones location is esp hacks. and range hacks as in they can hit from further away usually clerics like this one bc it helps with the mace

[broken nova]

i just found this 2 kids teaming, make sure to know they are cancer https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/2d4YdB8EgI5GjP/d1337S57nNX1?invite=cr-MSxUMTEsOTQyMDQ1MCw

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok, well range hack maybe. I did get really weird hit. But still they're not that much of them it's still pretty rare

[opal saddle]

US east its not as bad as some others but it is getting bad. People are able to see all players and are able to damage you from farther then they should.

[cosmic swan]

I think their is a channel to report people

[cosmic swan]

Or you can mp @cerulean delta i guess?

[broken nova]

i already reported them but i just make it public, people should know whats the name of this 2 rats

[neat tundra]

Dude east is dead 7 games in a row only one other player and i didnt see him the entire game

[cosmic swan]

Sry but i'll keep spamming it xD https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

[spiral epoch]

sorry man id report this if you actually got killed by two of them lol

[neat tundra]

lmao ya he got fucked should have played it better. Why would u push 2 barbarians that are teaming?

[spiral epoch]

as a ranger of all classes who already had an advantage

[turbid shoal]

I think that after druid they should focus on skilltrees/progression instead of classes(i would love to see other classes in the future but think that progression is more needed then those)

[elfin fern]

the biggest immediate issue is queueing into dead lobbies, it allows people to get ahead for free or to be bored stiff from no competition

perhaps it might be helpful to leave the previous map/player-quantity up so long as there is a lobby waiting on people, and have it expire when it is filled

[warm tide]

quick question:

• does killing bosses in inferno only counts for one person dealing killing blow for quest purposes?
  (today "we' killed our first lich in duo and to our surprise none of us got the quest checkmark - we think that skele archer killed the lich in the end)

[rocky frigate]

put on a 20k+ kit and watch them pop out of the walls LMAO ull get esped every other game

[low harbor]

I know for AP purposes, mobs getting kills denies you the AP.

[warm tide]

oh - thx for answer. Quite possible that it works like that for quests too then.

[rocky frigate]

it works like that for everything only the last hit on something matters for the kill/xp

[warm tide]

hmm - i could swear we played together and were killing centaurs/berserkers and both were getting kill count up on quest

plus i am 100% sure it worked even better for this one quest where you need to kill 15 demon skulls 9flying ones) in one go - i killed all 15 and friend killed 0 and we both got quest marked as done.

[low harbor]

Could just be mobs that steal it, if the mob did indeed get the kill

[warm tide]

most likely - it was a bit chaotic and i have poison on rogue but then archers were shooting non stop 😄

[spring cave]

Anyone know if there is a cap for magic power bonus and if so what is it?

[rocky frigate]

dont believe there is any damage caps it may have diminished returns once you hit a certain magical power or will point though where % magic damage on gear might get more value

[empty zealot]

Kills are shared for quest purposes

[wind venture]

Is it still cheating when you encounter a random in the dungeon, make a peace gesture to team up on someone else?

[nocturne acorn]

no but u will prob get reported anyways, organic teaming im pretty sure is allowed but it wont look like it to the other person

[wind venture]

Yeah and the automatic ban system might think you would be teaming

[high sapphire]

even organic teaming is cringe asf. team aainst a boss or something. dont make solos a teamfest again. its so ass losing a kit just because its a 2v1 when u ment to solos for a reason

[nocturne acorn]

why have VOIP then, they should remove it. atleast keep it party only

[high sapphire]

make a freind in solos and then play duos lol. its just ass getting teamed on. happens a lot cause i play ranger most of the time rn

[nocturne acorn]

im js if i wanna talk to someone and convince them to not kill me i think it should be allowed. game gets stale quick for me when everyone is just rushing each other every game and there is no time to do anything because the barb is looking for easy kills lol

[naive cloak]

Why havent they adjusted AP and HR entry fees this season? We've known it was broken from the first few days of the season when we calculated how long it would take to get to Demigod.

[safe locust]

is there any channel for finding easter eggs like repoze and jay is doing rn?

[vapid arch]

what easter eggs are they finding?

[safe locust]

they are looking for the leathersmiths daugther, from following the quest flavour text

[high sapphire]

agreed

died to one that was 297 health and 225ms. never going into 300+again

[rough whale]

300+ is honestly just a waste of time. I've been having the best experience below 299. Fights actually are fair.

[vapid arch]

do you mean 325ms?

[high sapphire]

yeah lol. my b

[high sapphire]

just wanted to build a super op 1 shot windlass build. got run down and one shot by the barb

[high sapphire]

thats ok but the second one of you jumps in on a fight after being friendly. its a loser move. if u find a friend do 2 fair 1v1s lol. its more fun that way. and if it was rp motivated wouldnt u think thats way better than what most do and just team

[scenic hornet]

And this is why gbmm is a necessity imo

[brisk mason]

It isnt a necessity. The current system is just making it worse imo.

If they did the system right it would be good but they are doing it horribly

[naive quest]

they need to add content and stop this adjustment of stats anyone can come up with anything but this game will always be unbalanced it doesnt matter if they remove stat 1 or stat 2 at the end of the day people will play meta and it will be considered unfun for everyone who doesn't want to conform to it

-Make a guild system that has a leaderboard, guild rewards, guild hall which people haft to work together and upgrade together that gives benefits and QOL

-Make a faction system which lets you align to a certain faction and queue up for daily battles which changes the tide of battle,

-create new points of interests like for example a ritual room that makes loud noise spawns a bunch of enemies but at the end gives a lot of rewards, prolly add a quest for it to force people to try it out atleast once

these are just random things but they need to add SOMETHING, this game is legit the same game its been for over half a year at this point we reverted back to old crypts with battleroyale circle kill everyone, completely removed multiclass without trying to restrict it (there were tons of suggestions just pick one you like ) and keep something fresh in the game

if you are gonna do a wipe by todays standards people expect some new **content **added to the game

[rough whale]

Care to elaborate?

[woeful plume]

It feels like Dark and Darker is a part time job for someone who has almost zero risk in it's development.

[brisk mason]

I mean with the current system its just hella inflated price of gear ppl can use to min max under 300 and get farmed. Also heals get effected by the system and which is horrible. Say some newer player accidentally goes over 300 with heals they get stomped by 800 gs players. And they still get stomped when under by min maxers.

Imo what needs to be done is gs needs to take into acount gear and its roles. NOT heals. Then bases off that gear score you can queue with a pretty wide range of other gear scores. For example 400-600 or something like that.

This way it is very hard to cheese the system. You will still be able to fight higher and lower geared players.

The only other issue with this system is queue time. Ideally we would see a matchmaking system as opposed to tavern that will take longer to fill lobbies. It could maybe even make the gs range wider depending on queue time.(im assuming that implementation wouldnt be easy)

[empty sun]

you can use #in-game-reports now for these just a heads up

[cosmic swan]

At the very beginning it was split in three like 0-200 / 200-400 / 400+ it was a bit better this way but they change it to 0-300 / 300+. Probably because it split lobby too much but they should'nt change GS work for that reason when their is stuff like the multi lobby system (https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system check that for more info) that's what really make lobby empty if it work as said is the suggestion

[brisk mason]

Idk the 3 lobby has the same issue and its never rlly gonna be good when it takes heals into account, doesnt take into account roles, and splits the system that much

[cosmic swan]

I don't get why heals is a problem? For me the main problem is that people min max to have full blue gear with good stat. It's better to count heal no? So people who do that at least won't have lot of heal in their pocket

[woeful plume]

I agree, many games just pop an instance, fill it with people, and launch it. Easy peezy.

[cosmic swan]

Exactly for me that's the main thing to change right now. vote for the suggestion it might help

[cosmic swan]

I feel like people don't even know about this and blame solo/duo or gear score to empty lobby

[woeful plume]

If they did that, it might even provide a PvE option with the same principal.

[brisk mason]

i mean when a warlock can run full purps and purp spell book with no heals and get 299. meanwhile you need to sacrifice like 60 points at the very least for heals. its just bad design.

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok, i get it. Hadn't seen it like that

[native verge]

I greatly enjoy those med-less warlocks on my white recurve naked ranger shenanigan runs. Just killed another one last night with some bis blues. Chest and hood sold for 1500 each lol

[jaunty topaz]

A smart lock would have kept a punching bag nearby to heal off of idk what that guy was doin

[random echo]

my friend that has 100 hours had that exact scenario happen to him. we had a solid snowball going from some normals and decided to continue it in HR. my friend had like 3 rows of pots and bandages we had accumulated from like 3 games of normals. his gear score was like 315 in a mixture of gray plate pieces and a couple blues and half and inventory of meds. our lobby was full of people in full purps with easily 500+ gearscore lmao. we got rolled in like two fireballs from a wizard in purps

[spiral imp]

What does someone without a lot of stash space do with the Life After Death axe who isn't a barbarian? Also I think it may be the absolute god roll

[cosmic swan]

You can go in the trading post and try to trade it or go in the barbarian channel and ask what it's worth

[jaunty topaz]

Can we just not do gbmm anymore it's clearly a failed system and only serves to further divide queues and make gear feel pointless

[cosmic swan]

But i don't know at all what it's worth maybe try to trade it against an other named item that you can play

[scenic hornet]

What weapon to use as barb

[wild ridge]

are they gonna add a reporting system for racism or hate speech in game ?

[cosmic swan]

In this state it's not perfect but i think it's necessary. And what's divide queues is that thing more than gbmm : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

[sinful pecan]

Double axe or zwei imo

[scenic hornet]

Really double axe ? 😮

[high sapphire]

double axe with axe specialty = ez mode

[jaunty topaz]

For me I like the Felling Axe, that fast hit speed is satisfying

[scenic hornet]

Ez to dodge tho 😦

[scenic hornet]

I just feel the double axe animation is weird xD maybe Im not used to it.. also i see lots of barb with zwei is it that good rn?

[vapid arch]

zwei is your best bet for the main weapon but its massive arc means its susceptible to hitting doors and walls easily

[tranquil burrow]

Game is fully uninstalled. Hope dev team fails and game dies, oh all of that is happening, gg shit game go next.

[tranquil burrow]

Game is dead, literally give up bro.

Devs asleep at the wheel past year-2 almost now, go home guys. Spend your time on something that is growing not dying.

[cosmic swan]

Well quit the Discord then, it's useless to stay here and say that if you don't like the game anymore. I'm not seeing the same think that you about how the game evolve and i prefer to think about how to improve it instead of doing like you

[high sapphire]

HAHAH I WAS GONNA SAY THAT

[cosmic swan]

It's crazy to see people like him who spend their time here saying "Game dead lol" and telling new player not to buy it. Just leave wtf or admit that you like the game, want to see it become better and make suggestion to improve it

Spam the discord with bullshit like that just ruin the game and confuse the dev on how people like the game or not

[high sapphire]

im just pissed at barbs rn. only class i see and only class i die to. its fucking stupid. they are absolutly running solos again and i hate it

[woeful plume]

Can I have your stuff?

[cosmic swan]

xD

[scenic hornet]

So cringe dude

[high sapphire]

bro was broke and angry lol. he aint got shit

[scenic hornet]

What about secondary? I tried bardiche but I felt it sucked against longsword lol

[vapid arch]

second is either horseman axe or viking sword, club use to be good but idk anymore

[cosmic swan]

It's nice to see that people start to speak positively about the game and try to improve it, the discord was so toxic lately with people like him

[rocky frigate]

my personal favorite is zweihander with viking sword but if u want axe specialization you can go double axe and horsemans axe the downside is its slower but ull hit harder. horsemans axe ain't that terrible for bossing either in gc.

[rocky frigate]

Take a lantern with ur secondary if u got Achilles u can throw the lantern to trigger it good way to counter getting kited

[mellow wraith]

Whats the best class for solo?

[jaunty topaz]

I think they recently nerfed achilles to only work with melee weapons or bladed thrown weapons?

[echo perch]

Be me, a Cleric
My teammate, a Barbarian, keeps timmy stomping other teams
I get a letter from Ironmace
”Cleric, you are upsetting the timmies too much. You shouldn’t be able to heal your teammate while also dealing damage. Your holy strike has been nerfed”
Now I can’t put up a fight in solos so I stay in Trios with my barbarian teammate
He keeps stomping timmies
Get another letter from Ironmace
”Cleric, you are healing your teammate too much. We reduced the power and quantity of your heals”
Reluctantly keep going into the dungeon with my Barbarian, because having him take fights is the only way I can survive
He keeps stomping timmies
I get another letter from Ironmace
”Your skills are too strong, so we’re nerfing those too”
My Barbarian teammate keep stomping timmies
Maybe next update they’ll finally revert some of the nerfs?
I receive another letter from Ironmace…

Child protective services?

[jaunty topaz]

[ashen glacier]

I’ve seen people complaining about ranger and throwables a lot here, do you think adding projectile resistance to armour instead of nerfing damage might be a good idea?

Also add Monk when?

[brisk mason]

No. Ranger really isnt an issue people just like to complain. Casters and buff ball is way bigger of an issue and they are better off giving ranger actual utility and different arrows in return of nerfing dmg a good bit

[ashen glacier]

Fair

[high sapphire]

i get stomped by teamers or a ms barb every time i play ranger lol. its just an "annoying" playstyle that people hate to play agasinst for obvi reasons. clerics have no chance against it tho its funny and sad while u kill them

[scenic hornet]

Damn interesting

[scenic hornet]

Why horseman over hatchet ?

Also what perks are you running with that sword build?

[brisk mason]

Most ppl just play dumb against rangers and dont know how to strafe. Then they cry the class is broken

[high sapphire]

thoughts on barb rn?

[brisk mason]

Idek. Pretty stupid, im tired of seeing buff ball barbs

[high sapphire]

u dont play solos much? im so over it rn

[fathom snow]

.

[brisk mason]

I play solos a good bit. But its kinda dead and just unfun

A lot of cheaters in there. And so many matchup diffs or dumb stuff to die to

[high sapphire]

i need to find a team fr. i love playing crossbow ranger i wanna see how well i can do in trios tbh

[scenic hornet]

Why are barb mostly using horseman axe over hatchet?

[cosmic swan]

probably because you can get a lantern in the other hand and use it to proc achille strike

[vapid arch]

less damage and worse attack pattern

[stiff marsh]

@scenic hornet i see a 299 gs lizard barb build, guy use hatchet but he says its absolutly ugly weapon what needs only for make more powerfull 299 gear

[graceful storm]

SDF is typing

[scenic hornet]

Very little less dmg for more ms tho

[vapid arch]

2 weapon damage is more valuable than 5ms, especially when all barbs run achilles

[scenic hornet]

I see most barbs running savage roar and rage no?

[vapid arch]

personal preference then ig

[scenic hornet]

What other abilities to run with achilles?

[vapid arch]

there's a funny combo in achilles + blood exchange but i did achilles and savage

[silver escarp]

Love having map rotation back and multiclassing gone, fun factor has definitely improved for me!

[keen patio]

anyone crash just now?

[whole belfry]

Q: Does the Cleric Cleanse spell remove the Lich purple curse??

[proper kindle]

on yourself yes on teammates unsure.

[long compass]

No

[copper lava]

gotta love stealing ice cavern exvils then my barb killin da fighter

[rocky frigate]

Horseman has more range a better attack pattern and does more damage damage scaling on barb does a lot because you hit so hard with your weapons u can make it so that horseman basically 2 shots any non pdr user also you do get that benefit of carrying a torch or even bringing a round shield if u want but I find any more move speed penalty is too slow. Also should note u can get weapon damage and even more phys bonuses on the lantern can pretty easily hit +20 weapon damage +2 weapon, offhand, cloak, both rings, and gloves. +3 necklace and +5 from axe specialization.

[faint trellis]

can more than one person go in the red stairs?

[frozen umbra]

HEY DOES KILLING YOUR TEAMMATES WITH QUEST ITEMS MAKE THEM FOUND IN RAID???????!

[hollow stirrup]

what would be a better solo class? cleric or ranger

[noble hemlock]

GUIDE TO DO ALL QUESTS WITH A FRIEND:

Give quest item to friend
Kill friend
Revive friend
loot quest item it turns looted
(iron mace hasnt patched this for 1week+)

[crystal tartan]

ranger is the best class in the game. wins every fight if you hit your shots except maybe pdr fighters. use a survival bow with forceful shot and you can kite anyone endlessly

[blissful vigil]

anyone know if theres a gold pile in norms goblin caves?

[lone prism]

for the gem no

[blissful vigil]

nah like for bosses

just any pile

[hollow stirrup]

hmm how abt fighters? was thinking slayer fighter

[stable echo]

for some spells like dark bolt and ice bolt for example, that are projectile based, should get their damage reduced by projectile reduction. Also overall more items should be given projectile protection and maybe even increase the maximum and minimum for the projectile protection modifier

[jaunty topaz]

So it's kinda obvious that true dmg and maybe +dmg is getting nerfed next patch right

it's like on 100% of kits now

[crystal onyx]

is there a weird hotkey bug of some sort that puts your mainhand weapon into your inventory for no reason at all? didn't even open inventory

only does it for me on the warlock which is weird

lost a 15k kit due to it.. pop boc and turn to melee the guy at 20% and no weapon. lol

clipped it. go to open a door, someone else starts opening so I cancel, and then it just goes into my inventory for no reason at all

great game

[cosmic swan]

Yes, they don't close when someone go in

[cosmic swan]

There is actually 3 hoard of gold in norm goblin cave one behind each boss and 1 more between those 2 that open if both boss are killed in the same game

[cosmic swan]

I think it already work that way for spell that are projectile bases, they do get damage reduced by projectile reduction. Maybe have a look on the wiki it might have the info

[copper lava]

JUST SAW A CLERIC WITH A LONGSWORD WTF

[cosmic swan]

Sure it wasnt a warlock?

[copper lava]

100% sure he had smite and was inspected literally 2mins ago on sparkykawa's stream

on god wind his yt vod back to pregame lobby

[cosmic swan]

Ok well maybe he haven't played cleric since the MC was removed and still had a longsword equiped (yes that's dumb but a friend kept a spear in his inventory as a barb just after mc)

[copper lava]

hhmmmm yea probbabbllyyy, idk but it was weird to see cause im like tf that shouldnt be possible. esspecially they got the perks and skills reverted but not weps? weird

[cosmic swan]

Or a weird glitch/cheat maybe. Report it on the #in-game-reports or maybe #report-a-bug

[cosmic swan]

Yes weapon or armor was still equip but was red in the inventory

[copper lava]

weird but yea makes some sense funny to see someone waited to use it like week after mc was removed

[cosmic swan]

Maybe it's not that tho, you should still report it imo

[chrome elk]

I just got scammed is it against the rules or nah?

[faint trellis]

Thanks brotha, one more question is there red stairs in Frost Mountain map?

[cosmic swan]

Unfortunately no. No hell or equivalent in goblin cave and frost cavern so no red portal/stair.

[faint trellis]

ah damn that sucks, appreaciate the info tho, its been a while since i touched the game

[cosmic swan]

Hope they'll do something like that, or like put Ruin back with red portal who lead to goblin cave or ice cavern

[cosmic swan]

Anytime 👍

[hollow stirrup]

used to but something abt stream sniping

[distant bay]

how tho?

[deep sky]

just got a mystical gem why is he so much on the market? do ppl really spend 5k on it?

[hollow wasp]

I think theres a chance to get a unique

[deep sky]

you think its worth sell or trying to get the unique?

[hollow wasp]

Personally id sell, I don’t believe in my own luck. If you do get one, there’s a chance you could get a unique thats only like 1-2k or some rogue landmines you

[deep sky]

good looks brother thanks for the input

[hollow wasp]

You could also get an 80k unique, it’s all luck in the end

[dawn depot]

Remove gearscore and have one U.S. server not east and west just central. Bring back ruins with the ability to pvp rush. Hurry up and get on Epic Games

[cosmic swan]

Why removing gear score? I really don't get it

If it's about empty lobby you should look / vote / speak about that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system A lot of people don't know about that will it's the main reason why lobby are empty right now

[fading hound]

Probably more about Ironmace making a series of bad decisions to ultimately cause the player base to start playing other games

[versed shore]

Yo I need help, what's the best solo warlock build as of this patch

[sly frost]

Hot take i miss multicast

[viscid lark]

honest question like when are they gonna remove everybody being able to creep

[small marsh]

probably never

I don't see any issue with everyone being able to creep if you're actually like paying any attention to your surroundings or closing doors behind you

[small marsh]

ah yes, kill the ping for over half the playerbase, excellent suggestion! LMAO

[tardy sandal]

Average American

[knotty kernel]

GBMM needs to go. It is the primary cause for empty lobbies, and is entirely unnecessary since normals exists

[late crystal]

lol just loaded into a lobby out team average GS about 300 the other guys in here sitting at 500 -700 its so dumb, just giving away kits at this stage 😂 id rather an empty lobby then load in and get stomped bc of gear difference then have to re q and do it all again

[knotty kernel]

Why are you even queing into HR if you are so scared of gear diff

[late crystal]

not scared at all, its since they brought in the merged lobbies when there is low pop

[kindred crane]

Shadowplay doesn’t work anymore. Anyone have a fix? This only happened after most recent multiclass removal

[maiden nymph]

This will kill u more often than creeping, if u re closing doors behind u often

[small marsh]

Depends on the situation

I know for a fact the majority of people dying to creep are dying in a situation where the door being closed behind them would save them the surprise

If you're being rushed, yeah, door closing is gonna kill you, but it will prevent the creeping

[cosmic swan]

Again that's not true. This is the main reason for empty lobby : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system . Gear score is a good thing (maybe not in this state it can be improves) that i think most people like and want to keep

[chrome grail]

Does anyone know when the next wipe will happen?

[cosmic swan]

They said start of June. Or end of the season start of June so Wipe 2 week after that

[cosmic swan]

If my memorie is good they talkes about it in patchnote for the Hotfix 45

[scenic hornet]

U were in high gear score lobby if u were at 300 gear score so make sense..

[maiden nymph]

Low pop regions dont have separate gbmm anymore. So its either that or they went too high in gs as u mentioned. Also there is no average anymore aswell.Lobby is decided based on highest gear score in party

[winter tinsel]

Join warlock channel under roles

There’s too many builds for a clear answer on that one imo

[flint dune]

wait what? where do you find this?

[winter tinsel]

It says channels and roles at the top of the discord channels. Click on it and scroll down; then select the classes you play

[flint dune]

where? - btw i for the first time found a check thing that says "show all channels" wtf!! never knew this.

[foggy plover]

Just saw sdf thinks animations are bad for druid.

Balance is bad for druid. They deal no damage in shapeshifted form. Just like demon warlocks do no damage in shapeshifted form. It's startling how long this hasn't been addressed for.

natural weapons need to scale with gear somehow - you cannot have them do fist damage but be super tanky and invulnerable and think that is a good design

[winter tinsel]

Top left above welcome, rules and announcements channels

[flint dune]

i found it.

omfg, never knew this existed wtffffffff

[winter tinsel]

Lol welcome to the club

[flint dune]

bruh im flabbergasted

aight good tip 👍 im gonna have to check all my discord channels now 😄

also i wonder how much % of my friendlist knows about this. i've never heard them mention this.

[winter tinsel]

Ye you’ll find better answers there lol

[foggy plover]

A complete cope. A proper geared and buffed demon is objectively weaker than a regular caster lock.

[foggy plover]

They are awful and poorly designed, and having infinite durability and hitting like a wet rag is not a good design. That kind of ridiculous trade off where you need an extreme amount of gear to make it do more than punch damage is stupid and I wish people like you would stop defending this worthless, limp and fundamentally just unpleasant to use ability.

[cosmic swan]

For me Demon Warlock are perfect it's all the other class that deal too much damage xD Stuff give way too much stat and make the TTK really short, fight should be slowed by reducing damage overall. Buff something to make it do as much damage as the other is not the good way imo

[foggy plover]

This is a problem caused by the design, obviously.

"It's this way, so it should stay this way" is what you just said.

It shouldn't be like this at all.

platelock should be the tank lock

[gilded prairie]

No, I explained that they have high PDR and health, and hitting 80s is pretty decent damage for that.

But we can agree to disagree

[cosmic swan]

He said "It work this way it's just not used to make damage but to tank"

[foggy plover]

No, he said they have high PDR and health and therefore should not get any additional damage.

They shouldn't have high PDR and health to the point where it's not okay to have basic amounts of damage. This is self-referential logic.

Demon form should be a buff, not be so janky that in order to offset its mediocre damage and constant self-damage that it makes you ridiculously tanky and steal life.

[gilded prairie]

Why are we acting like hitting 80 is bad? Demons attack pretty fast so 80 is a lot of DPS; especially for how much health and armor you get

[cosmic swan]

Yep

[foggy plover]

What are you even talking about 80?

First of all, what kind of obscene amount of buffs are you talking about that you can get to that without a weapon? You're talking complete nonsense, or in hypothesis.

[dawn depot]

it has super short range and now they take a good bit of dmg from doing it, run grievous wound on your weapon

[gilded prairie]

Power of sacrifice / blood stain blade with a full stack of souls and stacked phy power / str will make a demon hit hard; and it doesn't take much to achieve that.

Warlocks have the best gear in the game for stacking strength.

[cosmic swan]

Blood stain blade don't work if i'm right

[foggy plover]

Lol you're talking about a melee demon lock. Okay.

I did just compare it to a caster, but I'll redirect. A platelock is vastly superior to a demon lock in melee too

A falchion utterly outclasses a demonlock. The range on the swing is awful, even outside damage considerations.

All of those buffs go onto a falchion just as well, too. And don't interfere with running BoC

[gilded prairie]

I'm not gonna argue here anymore lmao. Was just pointing out the fact that demonlocks are meant to be tanks; and that they hit well if built right. That's my experience.

Not gonna argue which build is better lmao

[foggy plover]

Okay so you're admitting that in both cases you don't have a leg to stand on that demonlock has any comparison to the other builds of warlock.,

[gilded prairie]

Sure

[foggy plover]

That's pretty much what I have been saying so good. Demonlock needs to go or be overhauled. In context with the rest of warlock, it is worthless.

[gilded prairie]

And I disagree but that's fine

[foggy plover]

I know. There's way too much people who like the idea of it so much they're willing to pretend it's good.

[gilded prairie]

I imagine we just have very different experiences with it.

[foggy plover]

I imagine we do, yes. And you're wrong, lol. Your experience doesn't make you correct. Not everything is subjective - If you cannot actually relate your fun with it to some kind of idea of logical balance, you're having fun, sure, but that's not a good excuse for it to stay the way it is.

It's the same excuse you see the idiots trying to fight for MCing the way it was.

Just inverted.

[gilded prairie]

I have no desire to be right; just sharing my experience with the game because I have a lot of it lmao.

[azure terrace]

@foggy plover you're wrong. Stay in school. Everything related to an experience is subjective to interpretation by those who experience it. Hate to break it to you, but if you suck at lock you just suck at the game. xdddd

imagine calling people idiots because they have a different opinion about an in game experience. how many chins you got homie?

[foggy plover]

Gonna cry?

[azure terrace]

Sorry, I hurt your feelings (:

[foggy plover]

So mad... "xdddd"

Don't be sad, baby. I'm jus' teasin'.

[azure terrace]

Sorry for hurting your feelings. You're so smart compared to everyone else.

Maybe instead of working at a gas station you can become a developer, because you're just so insanely smart.

[foggy plover]

k

[heady trench]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-we-be-friends-freddie-kreuger-darth-vader-dracula-jason-voorhees-gif-5469319

[stable echo]

I think a thing they should do for all classes is have 3 different type of subclasses that have different types of abilities, perks, and spells. For warlock there would be 3 subclasses one with curses, a dark magic based one, and a summoning based one. Another example is wizard with ice, fire, and arcane magic as subclasses. An example for a non caster would be ranger having a crossbow, bow, and spear type subclasses

[boreal island]

i think better wizard subclasses would be elementalist, battle mage and arcanist or something. Those are meaningfully different playstyles (elemental blaster, melee mage with stuff like ignite/crystal sword/staff mastery and arcanist with quicker casting, buffs and illusions etc.)

[gilded prairie]

What we really need is a Monk class

[elfin fern]

all i will say about demon lock is that it seems to pretty consistently wipe in norms just because it's way too goddamn tanky and the punish is too low for using it

[cursive shuttle]

Do I have to interact with floor spikes by disarming them?

[subtle heart]

i wanna know why it says i dont have dark and darker anymore i bought this game before they switch the game to one platform and now wasted money and i dont own it anymore? lol wat happened to my purchased product from when u first released this i have played during the play tests and everything.

[vapid arch]

yes

[cosmic swan]

You should look at the #discord-help I think I remember the dev talking about something about your issue

[copper lava]

DO NOT PLAY ON TEST SERVERS THEY ARE NOT FIT EVEN FOR A LONE ONE MAN IN A LOBBY

like unplayable lvls, not meaning player count for pvp, but for overall the game just froze after i hit a kobold 3 times i relogged and was ded. like im m/f done

[cold spire]

who the fk cares about the test server. Its for testing. Report what happened and keep testing

[whole belfry]

I was under the impression that Cleric Cleanse removes Lich Curses...the Blue and Purple Curse. I've casted it on myself when i have the curse and another player...both times it did not remove it.
PLEASE FIX.

[hot kettle]

It works for me @whole belfry

[rapid turtle]

Anyone know if there will ever be an actual anti cheat for this game?

[unreal obsidian]

This game is dead... 😦 Played normals and high rollers all morning. Only ran into 3-4 teams in all 15 games or so

[shut iron]

About the quest Hidden Truth:

It would be very much appreciated if the task to kill 15 Elite Frost Crossbow Skeletons is (1) changed to less, (2) changed to a mob spawning more often with the same kill count of 15 or (3) make the Elite Frost Crossbow Skeleton spawn more often

the task as it is now, is just very annoying

[noble zodiac]

youre the kind of person that probably just shouldnt exist

[sturdy dagger]

I think there are a few guaranteed spawns

[foggy plover]

Have you considered that repeatedly @ing someone makes you the ass hole?

How about fuck off?

[noble zodiac]

lol so you are dumb too. That was my only @ but go off

[echo sparrow]

[noble zodiac]

attacking people on discord then getting butthurt when they call you out is poor behaviour. Your parents raised you better than that cmon

[foggy plover]

Don't care didn't ask. Cry some more.

[noble zodiac]

but hey, we are just sharing opinions here, Right Zen?

[foggy plover]

No, troll, you're just trying to annoy some guy on the internet hours after a conversation happened.

I'm not interested in hearing your opinion or giving my own. Fuck off.

[undone belfry]

Nail on the head, they didn't raise him well. Little shits with no netiquette are evidence of that.

[noble zodiac]

real angry and tough behind that keyboard XD

[foggy plover]

Okay then I'm just going to message you every three hours. Claiming you're the one having no sense of decorum, how does that sound?

[shut iron]

I know

[noble zodiac]

Big I N C E L energy on this one

[foggy plover]

Like everything out this trash talking kid's mouth has been an insult. All I've said is go away.

[undone belfry]

Tantrum stage, If I ignore the 2 year old they should get bored and fixate on something else

[foggy plover]

Both you tools are blocked.

[noble zodiac]

but mommmyyyyyy he said the bad wooooords to meeee after I did!

[undone belfry]

Don't mind me I'm just gasoline lol

[foggy plover]

<@&988703997378584596> Admissions of trolling btw:/

[noble zodiac]

LOL this mans

[cosmic swan]

Look and vote for that to fix the empty lobby issue : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

[unreal obsidian]

Done. Thanks

[cosmic swan]

Np, talk about it. It's one of the main issue in the game actually. Theey talked about a new matchmaking system for next season, hope i'll fix that issue

[hollow stirrup]

i hope next season isnt too soon i just started wipe

[cosmic swan]

Start of June if i'm right

[wind venture]

This game is just full of auto aim cheaters man. This game is so dead

[cosmic swan]

Keep reporting them, make clip and post them on #in-game-reports

[wind venture]

@cosmic swanWon't do anything. Cheaters will always cheat

[odd spindle]

just found someone with zirkzis eye below the gear score

[cosmic swan]

Maybe but if they have to pay for another game each time it make money for IM xD

[wind venture]

@cosmic swanThat does not do anything, has no direction for the game, bugs still here since last year.

[cosmic swan]

Then make suggestion about how to improve it. I feel like it's useless to just say "Game is dead"

[wind venture]

Range meta is still in the game, never left, when most player base hate it. Arrows deal too much damage because of stupid damage stacking. Magic resist is terrible because of how the resistance scale up. So many things, yet they don't do anything about it

If you trigger a mob, they not only follow you 3 cells away. But if you close the door, and a door is 2 cells away open? They will walk through the entire 3 blocks to get to you. What is also unbelievable stupid, especially in a fight.

[left zealot]

I was sure the devs said they would balance the random stats on weapons.. this is in no way useable for a weapon only wearable by rogues.. memory capacity bonus, magical power and magical healing on a Stiletto (I have a screenshot of it but can't post it here?)

[scenic hornet]

either that or everyone has bis

[elfin fern]

@marble gorge thanks

[cosmic swan]

They did it but reverted it I don't remember why

[left zealot]

I mean there are some items where some stats will not show up like on bows you won't see anything "magical", but unless we have MC which might or might not be why we need to remove some more stats from all items :/

[brittle vault]

QUE 300 PLUS PLEASE

[noble stirrup]

this

[elfin fern]

imo what the game needs most right now is fixing/upgrading blocking mechanics, it is still very finicky/unreliable

[noble stirrup]

also this

[noble stirrup]

actual question, do you run longsword?

[elfin fern]

buckler, i'm a bard

occasionally flute lol

[noble stirrup]

flute reposte goes HARD

50 damage headshot in under 2 seconds, perfect hitbox to block barbarian's double axe and felling axe (the metas)

real talk tho, I played a lot of bard during multiclassing, and well, yeah the buckler shield works approximately 60% of the time

the hit box is a lil funky on the round shield too, otherwise I kinda like the blocking in this game. I like that the combat is simpler than mordhau but still has complexity to it if you take the time to memorize weapon attack patterns

[left zealot]

memory capacity on secondary weapons is useless for any circumstance unless there is ever a main hand magic stuff/interaction with utility items

[modern breach]

how do you dodge the warlord knife throw? and the mobs knife throw? like if my squad havent killed the ninjas in time

[wind venture]

CHEATER AFTER FUCKIUNG CHEATER IM1!!!!!

[whole belfry]

i tried on 2 diff occasions, and it did not work for me. i saved the death cam replay. i clearly get the Cleanse spell off...but still have the curse and die.

[hot kettle]

Weird.

[heady trench]

Moreover dead rolls shouldn't be a thing. For example spellcasting speed on a bow

[hot kettle]

I’ve never tried self cast. But it always works on my team

[brittle vault]

GUYS QUE 300+

[cosmic swan]

Cleanse on the wiki ; Removes all harmful magic effects from the target.
Several debuffs are not removeable, including Lich curses (needs retesting).
Confirmed debuffs that can be cleansed: Warlock's Curse of Pain and Power of Sacrifice.

[cosmic swan]

If you'r sure it work it need to be change on the wiki

[hot kettle]

I agree

[whole belfry]

🤷‍♂️ i play solo....it works for Warlock Curses and ive seen other Clerics use Cleanse to remove Lich Curses...but idk if they changed that now. thats an awesome Spell to have, why remove that? Solo Lich is so hard now. rip

[hot kettle]

Fr

[cosmic swan]

Anyone else can confirm that Cleanse remove the lich curse (Blue and Purple zone)?

[elfin fern]

yOu CaNnOt HuRt UuUuUsS

[silent mauve]

I love it when the game crashes in front of a mob and I lose my 5k kit wow wonderful

[cosmic swan]

Maybe try to run a file check or reinstall the game. I got crash at the end of a game or right before getting back to lobby but never in game. Maybe update your driver too

[rigid roost]

Or when you use a bow you’re casting shafts so it should improve your shaft casting 😎

[lucid saffron]

This game is too dead to have GBMM empty lobbies constantly

[cosmic swan]

It's not GBMM that make empty lobby, it's that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

[cosmic swan]

But yesterday sdf said that a new matchmaking system will come in the next season. And it will probably solve this issue

Because he also said that the pre lobby will disappear. So i guess it'll work as follow : The timer start for each map, people choose a map, then we have to wait for the timer to end, and the game pick in the pool of player to create and fill lobby. The problem is for the last lobby if there is not enough player does it start anyway or cancel the last lobby and force people to restart on the next map (maybe with priority for the next lobbies)

[vagrant furnace]

Ayo anyone else having fun or just me?

[pulsar perch]

Holy shit; game is currently cooked. I actually thought today that the best thing they could do would be to disable the game for like a month or two

[scenic hornet]

do achilles work when u throw a drum?

[rare venture]

That makes no sense let people play. My group is using this time to master the bosses. Just cause there isn't a boatload of PVP doesn't mean everyone has to stop playing.

[pulsar perch]

Yeah I feel that, but it actually might be better in the long run to just disable it and trick everyone into coming back with a big new thing

[rare venture]

I mean, they are free to take a break and come back.

[hard rock]

This game is dead?

[cosmic swan]

Read my message just above, it seem that IM is coming up with a solution for empty lobby for the next season

[dry marten]

if they announced some fancy season rewards more people would play

[rare venture]

Should be tomorrow!

[pulsar perch]

You gotta think big picture. Obviously everyone’s free to leave and come back, but if they actively restricted everyone’s access for an “emergency” and came back with good content, they might get a lot more benefit

[cosmic swan]

I think they actually did in one of the latest patchnote

[pulsar perch]

They aren’t actively gaining anything from having people play it right now, but could stand to gain a lot if they restricted it, marketing wise

[scenic hornet]

no

[dry marten]

What? Why would restricting access to the game create a larger playerbase?

[cosmic swan]

"Finally, we apologize for the delay in the reveal of the season rewards. We are working on a better ‘themed’ reward set and hope to have them announced soon. We hope these rewards will serve as proper motivation to grind the leaderboards once they are revealed. " In patchnote for the hotfix 45

[jaunty topaz]

Man bossing takes so many hours and so many deaths to learn, I just wish the bosses could get toned down a little especially for those solo players

[pulsar perch]

For any product or service, this works in marketing

[rare venture]

We begged to get the game in early access for months. We got it. Now we need to let them cook and help test and give constructive feedback. They will get a huge bump when they release on steam, but for now this is a great development environment to iron out systems/features/content. Small player base doesn't matter in the big picture the steam release will be the bump.

[dry marten]

I'm fully aware of this message, but it doesnt say what they are.

[stable echo]

That’s true cause they would be a bigger difference in play style but just imo I always see wizard as a caster and the hybrid magic melee would be warlock or cleric

[cosmic swan]

And yesterday sdf said that "If everything goes according to plan, you will soon be able to receive a quest that rewards you with cosmetic items.
Additionally, adventurer rank rewards will be released soon." Still don't know what they are but we'll know soon

[pulsar perch]

Eh. Just not the best marketing strategy they could go with. But w/e just my 3 cents

[dry marten]

I see now, just never check pinned messages in GC when they should post information like that in announcements xD

[cosmic swan]

Thx you, finally someone who think and don't just post "Game dead lol" xD

[burnt marlin]

This is such a bad take. I'm honestly impressed with how dumb it is

[pulsar perch]

It’s in their best interest to stop this from continuing immediately

[rare venture]

That being said, I'm sick of all my games being all warlocks 😛

[cosmic swan]

ofc. Warlock : OP since forever

[pulsar perch]

Haha tell that to every major company in the world that had a product they wanted to get more sales on

This is a tried and true tactic. Idk why im even arguing. I said my peace

[burnt marlin]

Oh damn, I thought you were just pretending to be stupid

[cosmic swan]

Don't remember ever seen that for a video game but ok

[minor narwhal]

the game is so ass since last patch wtf happened man

[pulsar perch]

I’ll just say that companies and games do this all the time and it almost always works.

[rare venture]

People from crazy regions are queuing into your region and lagging your game cause their lobbies are empty.. it will resolve itself. If you are talking performance/lag spikes.. Haha.. Otherwise the game is great just need to address warlocks in HR (gear scaling) and naked lizard barbarians in normals.

I don't think warlocks are an issue in normals.. you don't even see that many.

last night every single one of our 3v3s was against 3 warlocks, different ones too.

For testing we ran a duo barbarian lizard group and with war cry and both popping rage we were at 221 hp in common gear, so one person took savage and we'd run teams over and still have 50% of our life W keying. so easy to hit insane move speed when you don't need helm/chest/legs

[snow charm]

I want to preface this question by saying I am not here to flame the game or the devs, but since this last patch is anyone crashing A LOT, even in menu/stash management?

[leaden tapir]

DOES STR increase all characters att dam?

[rare venture]

physical, yes.

[cosmic swan]

Your not the first person i've seen talking about that so yes maybe. But for me I didn't crash at all since the patch. Maybe reinstall the game, run a check file or update driver?

[leaden tapir]

so that means even throwables?

[rare venture]

yep

[snow charm]

I have done all of those things unfortunately

before patch, I had never crashed even once. Kinda weird.

[rare venture]

Did anything else change? our discord group is ~7 players and I haven't heard about any crashing issues.

[rare venture]

Oh and also if you have below 14 str it actually decreases your physical damage, look at the physical power stat your strength effects that and your hp (a little).

[scenic hornet]

just remove all range classes from the tame IM

[rare venture]

Yeah lets have all fighters and barbarians. That'll be awesome.

[cosmic swan]

How about no? pls

[scenic hornet]

way more awesome than this kite meta

[cosmic swan]

The problem is not range class it's that the TTK is to low due to gear giving way to much stat

[scenic hornet]

nah problem is move speed

[cosmic swan]

Yes and what give move speed?

[scenic hornet]

class

[rare venture]

they capped move speed at 330 not that long ago, that seemed to make it pretty easy on my barb to catch anyone

[silent mauve]

I did all of these but nothing is fixing

[scenic hornet]

cap it lower but yea its better still dumb af imo

[cosmic swan]

Well it seems your not alone with this issue, maybe use #report-a-bug to make a report

[scenic hornet]

u have to build ms if u want to compete ur forced to cuz of annoying kite classes

[rare venture]

I mean not really.. a peel PDR in your three man is a huge asset

[cosmic swan]

true

[silent mauve]

I sent a ticket a while ago and they didn’t answer but I did it again today so hopefully I get a reply, ty

[rare venture]

1v1 will NEVER be balanced, you will have to take some fights and leave others.. make that kiter come to you.

[cosmic swan]

Np, anytime 👍

[scenic hornet]

way easier said than done

and thats the issue kiter can come to u and just go away

[rare venture]

Get a group and play 3v3

[scenic hornet]

lol

[rare venture]

Its a lot less of an issue, you might have more fun.

[scenic hornet]

i mostly play duo I feel its worse than solo

[cosmic swan]

Sry but maybe you need to start questionning yourself

[rare venture]

solo on my wizard I have to avoid certain classes entirely.. just no way to fight them. Barbarian can take my whole spell salvo in normals, unless I'm stacked on true damage in HR I can't even kill them.

[scenic hornet]

and why is that

[cosmic swan]

I don't want to be mean, but maybe it's your play style that just don't fit, or maybe you'r missing something in fight to get closer to people

[scenic hornet]

i mean meta is kiting af so i dont think so

[rare venture]

What class are you playing? QC?

[scenic hornet]

duos is filled by warlock - ranger duos

[scenic hornet]

barb , pdr fighter, wizz sometimes with a cleric bud

[rare venture]

Barb you need to build MS, there just isn't another way to play it. Bring francies and run rage/achilles.. nobody can kite a barb that lands his axes and runs fast.

[cosmic swan]

Need to be check but i think lantern proc the achille too

[rare venture]

Torches too

[cosmic swan]

Nop torch don't i tried it (don't anymore maybe)

Didn't try lantern and drum

[rare venture]

A buddy of mine plays barb and chases down everything.. I've seen him achilles with drum and I hit him with haste a lot.

I don't play it in 3s really, only solo and when memeing.

[scenic hornet]

thats what I hate, u have to build a specific build to make it viable thats shit design, legit 0 build diversity

[rare venture]

Its early access my friend, play another class with build variety until things change cause they will.

[scenic hornet]

prob right

[rare venture]

I mean the entire class isa designed around low armor high HP, I know there are good barb chest armors, but unless you are running in a 3 man thats built to sling you into fights (bard/wiz/etc) you have to play to fit your situation

if you are in duos getting kited everywhere, build to catch those rats.

[scenic hornet]

thats what Im doing it just annoys me and even then they outrun me out of my rage

[jagged cape]

get on steam or epic and flux this communities numbers and personality thats left or this games ded in playtest

[rare venture]

I wish anyone who joined discord to claim a game is dead or make those useless statements was IP banned by a bot or something.

[cosmic swan]

+1

[scenic hornet]

XD ppl say this game is ded since day 1

[rare venture]

For real like I'm fine with people that have legit concerns and come voice them. Like getting kited by rangers/warlocks.. there is some counter play but there should be more and I don't know the full answer but at least we can talk about it.

Personally I think rangers are fine right now, they are so vulnerable if you do catch them.

warlocks just pop ghost-invuln and run through all the mobs you can't chase them through.. I have so many issues with them how they are.. a fireball at their feet works sometimes, but with all the garbage in the way and hydra its hard to even get a shot in.

I can get them sometimes, but man its annoying when it feels like 75% of the HR playerbase is warlocks.

and they can reset in 15 seconds if you don't keep the pressure up.

[scenic hornet]

yea warlock is def dumb imo rangers are just annoying af and i think they arent that vulnerable with their spears if they landed enough shots while kiting but thats just me.. I have a sincer hatred toward rangers since the 2nd playtest lmao

or 3rd wtv lol

[rare venture]

I started running lightning strike to try to deal with phantomize, but its hard to fit in a 5 spell overload build I gotta give up my ice bolt. Someone told me that explosive bottles/oil lanterns work too so I guess I should start going to that.

[elfin fern]

i take it you cant hit them directly, only the flames etc from the explosion and ground fire?

[scenic hornet]

i would play warlock tbh cuz its fun haha but my duo partner is cleric and i feel its a bad combo tbh

[cosmic swan]

They nerfer explosive bottle like last patch, it don't do any damage now

[rare venture]

Yeah but they take a boatload of extra from it so you can roast them

Most of the time they hit phantom when they are already low.

[cosmic swan]

Demon warlock with a cleric xD

[elfin fern]

i thought they just made it not scale

[cosmic swan]

Explosive Bottle damage changed from 3 to 1 and no longer scales.

[scenic hornet]

hahaha

i feel rangers are very good against warlock tho am I crazy?

[rare venture]

They are.. also fighters with crossbows. The good ones are going to phantom away and reset though.

[scenic hornet]

im thinking trying fighter other than pdr.. what are good builds options ?

[limber verge]

People just love to complain in this discord, it's obnoxious.

[wicked basin]

game will die an servers will be shutdown before it ever hits steam.

[cosmic swan]

Didn't played him much, maybe try asking in the fighter channel or the #q-and-a

[rare venture]

Thanks for your input, feel free to leave and find a game you like!

[limber verge]

How about you go outside or something.

[scenic hornet]

there's a fighter channel?

[wicked basin]

Salty lil girls. Going to cry? did i say something true

[cosmic swan]

Yes by clicking of channel and role on top of the channel list you can select a class and get access to this class channel

[limber verge]

Just what do you get out of complaining? Nothing.

[cosmic swan]

Don't feed the troll the dude is just dumb

[wicked basin]

Dude looks like he ate his feelings

[cosmic swan]

Sometime they come up with good argument after you point how dumb it is to just say "game dead lol" but him, he just don't look that smart

[vapid arch]

slayer and pdr are the two main things fighter has, but you can also do rondel pdr with true damage

[cosmic swan]

Shield slam is the best (no)

[vapid arch]

they should take the useless abilities and make them base kit, like make shield slam something you use to open up people blocking

so pdr fighter duels aren't two dudes just staring at each other

this game has a severe lack of utility and interaction

[cosmic swan]

Or combined some skill like the one who give more block power and shield slam. Like if you block a hit with shield slam you do a bit of damage and the ennemy got a lot of stagger

But that might come, IM do say they were looking at those weaker skill to buff them

[rare venture]

All great suggestions and only help the game talking about them.

[limber verge]

No they never have good arguments

[cosmic swan]

They do I swear, I seems crazy but yesterday and today i talked with people who started by "The game trash and dead" and actually got a good talk with them and made suggestion on how to solve the problem

[stable echo]

they could also nerf sprint and small buff other abilities so fighters run something other than sprint second wind

[cosmic swan]

For me the they should rework sprint like : Make it act like the perk that reduce the move speed penalty from armor but better, like reduce it by 60/70% like that fighter with light armor (who are already fast) won't benefit too much from sprint but heavy fighter would (Because I think it's why sprint was made for)

[gusty sandal]

stop tweaking the gameplay and add new content. MY lobbies are daed thanks

[cosmic swan]

Flat move speed is too powerfull

[stable echo]

yeah thats the problem i have is flat move speeds is WAY to strong

[cosmic swan]

IM is already working on that, sdf talk about it yesterday in general chat but to help lobby get full again you can look at that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/?order=trending&filter=allexceptdone&tag= instead of making that kind of comment

[stable echo]

its also really sad to see ONLY 2 skills ever used because they WAY better than the rest

[undone belfry]

they need to get rid of the range cheat users. just had one kill me in goblins and talked trash the entire time.... imagine

[cosmic swan]

Imo Victory strike is really good too

[stable echo]

yeah victory strike seems pretty solid but its hard to see it worth more than sprint or second wind

[cosmic swan]

Yep we can't really do more than report them in game and #in-game-reports

[gusty sandal]

Uh no the game is dead rn 😦 I can comment how it is.

[cosmic swan]

Maybe go touch some grass then and uninstall

[scarlet stirrup]

Don't worry someone on the top of the leaderboards got banned for cheating, got personally unbanned by Graysun and has now been caught lying about the account he cheated with. So they're doin a great job!

[cosmic swan]

They are implementing a new matchmaking in next season that, i think, will solve the empty lobby issue

[gusty sandal]

Or just add some content to the game

[cosmic swan]

So yes actually the lobby are empty but they do work on a solution

[gusty sandal]

Yea the game is dead

[cosmic swan]

Ok

[gusty sandal]

Go touch some grass

[undone belfry]

oh i have no doubt dude, I got a ban report for that little POS NoSkillBruv he's been cheating since last wipe, Imsure hes unbanned too

[scarlet stirrup]

He lied and said he bought the account which should just be a ban in my opinion period. Now someone has found an old clip of him playing on said he account that he
"bought". I'm sure @zinc sparrow will not bother even addressing. Dude's covered for cheaters multiple times now.

[zinc tiger]

best counter to any mage

[undone belfry]

Same kid? NoSkillBruv or a different leaderboard cheater, bc they are 90% cheaters lol

[scarlet stirrup]

The very same dude. Graysun personally unbanned him just as he has done in the past with other cheaters and max fixers.

[undone belfry]

unbelievable, that guy is blatant as hell.... go watch his twitch clips, theres one where you can see his aimlock readjust for a headshot across the room... and you know hes played with other streamers in 3s. He sounds like a latino teenager with a lisp. Hard to fake that one!

[cosmic swan]

I guess keep calling him out is the thing to do. Cheater have to be banned. Dev have to be severe on that or the game will lose in credibility

[undone belfry]

@zinc sparrow would you care to explain why NoSkillBruv would be unbanned, when he is a blatant cheater? I just want to understand, and I'm sure the rest of the non-cheating community would also.

[zinc tiger]

Because he dont care about this dead game

[undone belfry]

I get it, I just want him to be a man and admit it.

[scenic hornet]

ive seen lots of longsword , bow combo

also how does dmg work as a demon warlock form like the dmg u deal

[cosmic swan]

" When you become a demon your other skill is replaced with Exploitation Strike and you cannot equip weapons. Instead, Left-Click: Bare handed attack that deals 10 physical damage x 200% Combo damage on every hit and slows the target by 20% for 1s. Slowed by 20% while attacking. Perform up to 4 combo attacks using both hands. Right-Click: Fire a bolt of darkness. (costs 3hp) "

from the wiki, so i guess it's 10 physical damage scaling 200% of your physical power bonus

[noble moon]

https://youtu.be/r0sRBdquVZE

[paper vault]

yoo when is the latest you can extract with the boat? i be dying in the frost caves too much, all the statics being taken at the end

[twin magnet]

It triggers every time it gets chilly, you only got 3 opportunity to get on before dying

[cosmic swan]

Yep the last one is quite late i'd say just after the frost start to deal damage over time, like 5/6 grey bar from the end (on the indicator on top of the map)

[paper vault]

tyty

[vestal falcon]

Can we fix the cheating already game is legit dying because of it and you have streamers doing it

[sleek pilot]

I do find it amusing that it's been a huge problem for 9 months, and only now people are seeing how they're not doing enough from a cheating streamer. 9 Months to give birth to life, 9 months to give birth to dying game

[velvet kelp]

🛎️ CALLING ALL RANGER MAINS 🛎️
what bow is BIS?

^solos

[prime copper]

Anyone else run into issues with the game soft locking or crashing on load in? If so any fixes?

[worn leaf]

best team setup?

[sly frost]

I'm curious to see what the first week notes look like for balancing after multi class

[somber dove]

I'm curious to see if they're going to fix the AP system or continue to bleed players because of how painfully boring the game is rn

[paper vault]

if you have additional wpn dmg on one weapon, does it apply to the other weapon if you are dual wielding?

[jaunty topaz]

I hope they delete gbmm and creep and also fix the ap system

[solemn cloak]

Yes. Proof: slayer bard with rapier mastery and sword mastery https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140226827336568903/1237379412064997416/1.jpg?ex=6646a3a1&is=66455221&hm=c512b026a88c4cffa7d11820a796739f85c9d6e6dd975df51d7901371f600589&

[cosmic swan]

Does anyone know if the Dark reflexion perk of the warlock (The one who do damage when hit) do more damage when you have your book/crystal ball or staff in your hand? Like does the magical damage of the weapon boost it. And when dark reflexion proc it consume the darkness shard, is it buff by that too? Does it count as a dark magical spell or does it remove your shard just for fun xD?

[jaunty topaz]

okay yeah nah not playing the game till they fix this damn shadow bug I literally couldnt see the guys sneak up on me because the dark ass render distance that I cant fix

[quick fern]

put shadows on epic

[jaunty topaz]

doesnt work, I said this already

[quick fern]

restart after with them on epic

[brisk mason]

there is litterally fixes to it. switch your shadows to a higher setting then restart

[jaunty topaz]

doesnt work, I tried that already

[quick fern]

leave them on epic and dont touch it

[jaunty topaz]

doesnt work, I tried that already

[quick fern]

i think it has 50% scaling

[brisk mason]

try this. change all your settings to low. exit the game, when you get back in change them all to high before you select a character in the character select screen

[tough pollen]

how do you use the creep skill? I keep seeing videos of people like fighters crouching hella quite and a thing pops up on the UI

[cosmic swan]

Yes that's what the wiki says but I want to know if darkness shard and weapon in hand when you are hit count or not at all

[cosmic swan]

There is a key bind to walk in the option. When used after like 1 sec a little icone pop and you don't make noise anymore while moving. Can be combine with crouch but it make you very slow. The rogue have a perk to use that with normal crouch so it make you be silent and move quite fast

[wheat fractal]

Doesn't work he already tried it

[brazen mason]

COOKIN

[slender dock]

It’s your RTX, turn on and it solves everything

[inland iris]

Fix login/lobby servers plz

[jaunty topaz]

Bruhhhhh I tried that shi dont werk

Idk what I'm doin wrong

[random gate]

yoo ima need ironmace to

1. remove gbmm
2. bring back ruins
3. release on steam

i need some actual gaming to happen on this dead game i miss fighting on the bridge ty

[knotty kernel]

What map would Ruins replace?

[weak star]

+1

[outer ridge]

Crypts, and you have to take a portal/static to crypts from ruins, like they had it before pretty much , but idk why you’d have to remove a map anyway just add another one to rotation

[cosmic swan]

For me Ruins could be a first floor map that lead to Goblin Cave. Maybe with like a middle module on Ruins where goblin have reached the surface and put up a camp with a Hobgolin mino boss

[knotty kernel]

Having to take a static to get to crypts was horrible. There is a reason they gave up trying to make ruins the first floor of crypts

[outer ridge]

Why would you have to remove a map to add a map tho?

[cosmic swan]

Adding another map would split people in even more lobby, will we have two map with only one floor. Just use it as first floor of GC or Ice cavern

[jaunty topaz]

Ruins should be it's own map that has the option to go down to crypts if players choose to keep going

[outer ridge]

Yeah that’s my first idea , use it as a first floor

[cosmic swan]

The more you add individual map, the more people will split to play on all of them (for quest or because they're special monster or mini boss) and that will lead to even more empty lobby

Even with the new matchmaking they talked about

[outer ridge]

Ur right, crypts prob ain’t the best map for it , it’s not fair for people who wanna boss n such, it was a bummer having to play for 45mins straight just to get a hell run and you get the wrong boss 😂

[outer ridge]

Yeah maybe they don’t need to keep adding quests to EVERY map 😂

[next galleon]

Yo guys what would you say is the best solo pvp class rn?

idk what to play...

[vapid arch]

warlock

or barb with high ms

[knotty kernel]

def staff wiz, they have the most utility, truly unbeatable in solo if you are skilled.

[shut iron]

ms ?

[gusty narwhal]

staff wiz is boring to play :/ go play spell wiz 10 spells with icemastery and icebolt + explosion as the second spell wheel

[flint dune]

if you are going to give your playerbase insane dopamine hit cycle's and something to aim for (multiclassing did that, you keep rerolling try new stuff and aim for a good build)
and you take that all away after letting them play with that for a while.
and all you give back is the same boring stuff.

what do you expect happens... 🤦‍♂️

dark&darker is like a unique ship on unique waters but has no captain and everyone just wants the f**kin boat to move. just somewhere any direction.

[cosmic swan]

Move speed

[cosmic swan]

Imo it's more like they have a Captain who's new at that and a crew with a small part who keep sabotaging and are retracting the sail each time the captain choose a direction (yes that's the people who cry about everything IM add most of the time for no or the bad reason)

[serene mesa]

I think that ironmace should use the king charles portrait as their next temporary merchant

He could 100% give quests related to hell

[tropic anchor]

guys what would you say is the worst item to get from a chest or just worst item in the game

[broken nova]

@languid geode doing team on crypts , 40 kg human being https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/2dpOsyFoBFORU2/d1337BTrKZ1k?invite=cr-MSxEblgsOTQyMDQ1MCw

[undone peak]

every hr lobby i join is empty what gives

[subtle goblet]

People are bored= low player count

[winter tinsel]

Turn your shadows to epic. Restart the game. Switch back to normal settings. Fixed it for me

If that doesn’t work, apparently reinstall fixes it but he hopefully IM addresses that soon

[digital dock]

we should be able to burn the zombie fart gas away with a torch or something, it lingers far too long.

[rocky frigate]

at the beginning of wipe everyone had crouch creep they slightly nerfed it so everyone has shift walk creep also multiclassing was a thing so anyone could just have crouch creep depending on how old the video ur watching is.
still a trash mechanic only rogue should have it as a perk tbh

[rocky frigate]

try us east 299 or less gearscore always people in there

[winter tinsel]

Agreed. Imo they should last about half as long if they can’t be dispelled somehow

[astral moth]

THEY NEED TO FIX THE STATS FOR SOME OF THE CHARATERS LIKE FIGHTER WHY DOES HE NEED KNOWNLEDGE AN WILL I MEAN HE HAS 15 IN WILL AN KNOWLEGE FOR NO REASON THEY DID THIS FOR MULTI CLASS I MEAN DOES FIGHTER REALLY NEED TO START OUT WITH 101 HP IF HE JUST INSTA DIES TO ROGUES

[glossy barn]

They need to get rid of solo mode and get back to making Dark and Darker before actual release

Instead of wasting 9 months of development time on a game mode the devs never wanted, rather than making new maps, classes, races, bosses, enemies etc.

[astral moth]

NO THATS A BAD IDEA TO REMOVE SOLO DUO

[astral moth]

BARBARIANS SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE BOWS

[opal saddle]

I am a solo, I don't want them to remove solo the game will die for sure without us.

[astral moth]

FR

IT ALREADY IS THO

[opal saddle]

It's end of wipe and there really isn't much reason to play.

[cosmic saffron]

Fighter stats in all games tend to be well rounded so he can build into anything that’s kind of a staple of the class

[astral moth]

WAHTS THE POINT OF BUILDING A CHARATER IF THEY REMOVED MULTICLASS

[glossy barn]

Devs never wanted to add solo mode, but friendless rejects collectively cried so hard that devs went against their instincts and forever split the playerbase and their development resources. Solo mode is why we don’t have druid, ruins, an ice dragon, combined hell lobbies, or any new content.

[cosmic saffron]

Most classes have 2-4 viable build options that you can choose from to vary up playstyle

[astral moth]

ITS NOT WHAT THE DEVS WANT PROOF YOU SEEN MULTI CLASS LOL ITS GON

[glossy barn]

Those were almost words that formed a sentence lol

[astral moth]

BRO IS MAD

[astral moth]

IM IN GAME BRO I DONT NEED TO SPELL CHECK FOR YOU ASS

[cosmic saffron]

Why are you typing in all caps brother

[astral moth]

CAPS LOCK

[astral moth]

My guy does need to act so childish

[astral moth]

im in game at the same time typing

[cosmic saffron]

Then wait until your game is done to have a discussion

[astral moth]

uhh nah im good

[astral moth]

ill do what i want thank you

[cosmic saffron]

Sounds good homie

[gloomy lark]

hello all

[vast lichen]

is it possible to get ban for teaming if 2 player agree not to fight using only in game emote and no vocal ❓

[abstract torrent]

yes

[vast lichen]

well fk

[dry nebula]

Give fighter 5 will so I can kill them in two spells

[sick depot]

Yes, solo mode is the reason for all of the games failures.

[obtuse robin]

Someone know the price of a verry good Fulgore?

[sick depot]

3-4000

[obtuse robin]

idk about that. someone tried 1 Golden Chest and 3 Gold Bags so thats around 4 Skull keys i think. so 80k 😄 but i thought its not enouth to be honest