game-discussion

[cosmic lava]

no it's not

the word you're looking for but are too lazy to look up and use correctly is nationality

He's being nationalist - aka insulting a nation

[frozen umbra]

Sorry for not having a fucking dictionary on me at all times.
Must be real fun at parties.

[cosmic lava]

You mean sorry for being ignorant and then defending your own ignorance when corrected rather than admitting it was possible you were wrong

[distant bay]

Can we not have a race war in the chat?

[cosmic lava]

ackshually it's a nationality war 😛

[frozen umbra]

I was wrong, I was just saying that you don't need to be a smart ass about it.

[distant bay]

🤓 👆

its going away in a week

[lofty ruin]

thank god.

[vital scaffold]

if you arent a smart ass on this server you get banned

[frozen umbra]

???

Clearly you've never played with random duos from the discord

[stark flint]

You did good pointing that out. Brain-washed ppl using "racism" card without thinking. Good job mate.

[vital scaffold]

i did, but then they got banned

[frozen umbra]

I'm still on the server.

[vital scaffold]

for not being enough of a smart ass

[vital scaffold]

you must meet the minimum requirement of smart assery then

[tropic anchor]

tbh multiclass should be in the game but I think that a person should be able to use max 1 perk from a different class

[frozen umbra]

Which is

[vital scaffold]

enough to not get banned

[frozen umbra]

What makes a dumb ass get banned as opposed to a smart ass
out of curio-osity

[vital scaffold]

as paradoxical as it sounds, a smart ass is more often than not also a dumb ass

[frozen umbra]

But then by your definition, shouldn't the smart ass dumb asses also get banned?
Ah nevermind, but how is that possible?

[fringe crag]

Technically someone who is nationalist is someone who has an undying allegiance to their nation (sometimes at the expense of the wellbeing of others). Discrimination is the more proper term in this very specific instance. Hope this helped 😎

[vital scaffold]

one of the great mysteries of life

[frozen umbra]

bruh

[frozen umbra]

Nobody cares, disappear for eternity.

[fringe crag]

typo detected. opinion invalidated

[frozen umbra]

nuh uh

[raw helm]

Dissappear

[quiet grove]

hate the forced dunny rotation BTW. Have quests on 1 specific map, don't enjoy the forced downtime.

[frozen umbra]

Nuh uh?

[raw helm]

It's like three minutes lol

[midnight peak]

man the only reason a decent amount of people came back was for multiclassing ...

[quiet grove]

that's 3 minutes longer than before

[fringe crag]

idk according to doomers multiclass was killing the player count but I don't have any metric supporting or disproving either claim here so idk.

[vital scaffold]

people really do have wildly different perspectives on this game, its crazy how people can say completely opposite things like they are proven fact with absolute confidence

[fringe crag]

it's just weird right? you got a camp of people that swear multiclass was saving this game and a whole other camp claiming it's killing the game and no one can definitively prove either claim so it ends up being hearsay nonsense. (this isn't an attack on the person I replied to but this isn't the first time I heard this)

[rapid fractal]

I had fun. All i really care about at the end of the day

But i had fun without it too, so 🤷

[midnight peak]

its fun and different i guess i should refraised my friend group isnt gunna keep playing its just lame . The one class system was feeling stale this added some spice

[jaunty topaz]

I can't believe Sprint and Slayer dodges nerfs yet again lmao

[raw helm]

Multiclass has very big highs but very low lows

[fringe crag]

you did read about how their adding class progression right? hopefully we'll see you back when they add that I think that's what people really want more than MC

[jaunty topaz]

At least Cancer Reflection and Blow of Cancer got nerfed

[raw helm]

What's the class progression about anyway?

[fringe crag]

as a warlock main it was fair. If you had 10 shards it was a garaunteed 100 damage

[fringe crag]

We aren't sure but maybe I assume an incentive to level up by giving you maybe new perks or morphs to existing perks and etc.

[jaunty topaz]

Yeah I play alot of warlock too and I know that those 2 were OP but it's just silly seeing sprint and slayer never get nerfed despite being arguably just as cancer

[fringe crag]

well maybe the fact that it's going back to fighter only will help some. I still think slayer fighters are kinda busted but idk

[deft vector]

Can I have tumble as well for other classes?

[digital niche]

what happened to the ruins map?

[subtle heart]

HEY! When we gonna BUFF Ranger Traps?

[knotty kernel]

I knew multiclassing wouldn't last 2 weeks.

[knotty kernel]

Slayer fighter is worse than regular fighter, it is only strong in norms where +5 weapon damage matters.

[smoky coyote]

why is double jump even in the game the only use for it is to get in spots your not supposed to be in

[knotty kernel]

It was initially added as part of an overcorrection on IM part to try and make Rogue stronger, back when every other class was OP. Double jump turned out to be so fundamentally broken of a perk, that they nerfed it to oblivion, and every time it becomes useable again they have to take it out back, and break its legs again.

[raw helm]

This is a good idea

[fringe crag]

double jump is quickly becoming the "this is useless" kind of perk when running rogue. I don't see why they can't maybe keep some jump ups in the maps to give it an actual use aside from being able to do parkour faster lol

[knotty kernel]

Double jump should be removed from the game. It is a broken ability, that can never be made to fit into the game. It was wrong of IM to add it in the first place.

[white bane]

Hopefully next patch I can play wizard

Sprinting barbarians with 50% mdr in fullplate makes game not fun

[azure ibex]

indeed! so very Fun!

[fringe crag]

aside from jump ups that people complain about I don't see anything else "broken" about it though. Sure it's not a good fit in this kind of game but it's not like if I double jump in the wide open everyone's neck instantly snaps lol.

jump ups are the biggest concern for double jump from what I see. although some jump ups are intended to be there like the secret chest room in crypts

[knotty kernel]

So the reason double jump is so broken, is that it allows good players to protect their head hitbox. By double jumping in melee combat you can force your opponent to only ever hit your legs, effectively tripling your health bar. This was abused super hard by good rogue players like Repoze prior to the nerf to effectively never lose a fight. Combine with that the added advantage to mobility and the fact that every map needs to now be made with double jump in mind. You can see how the perk starts to break the fundemental interactions that make up the gameplay.

[wind venture]

So what is the best way to grind towards demigod?

[deep galleon]

Okay so hear me out on this regarding Double Jump (and also limb damage).

[orchid spruce]

can someone clarify what attribute bonus ratio affects or how it works please

[fringe crag]

right but in terms of protecting the head hitbox tumble does that too. I guess the mobility advantage with double jump is why it's more broken than tumble?

[vapid arch]

insulting a nation is xenophobia

[fringe crag]

right but you might be a cat so we can't trust you

[vapid arch]

i can certainly trust your lack of a father figure based on your profile

[fringe crag]

bro got hostile cause I made a joke about his about me. crazy.

[deep galleon]

{Limb Damage}
-Damage dealt to limbs is now 85% of the damage dealt to a body.
-Damage dealt to the arms now reduces action speed of that arm by 50% or disables shields for 2 seconds.
-Damage dealt to the legs now increases hit slow duration by 30% and abilities are adjusted accordingly.
-These changes do not affect magic, daggers or bows, which effectively nerfs them considerably while buffing other weapons.

{Double Jump}
This is assuming that double jump becomes a universal perk like in my concept.
-Double Jump no longer reduces move speed.
-Double Jump now increases damage received from attacks by 25% for 5 seconds after performing the second jump. This is to reduce its effectiveness and add significant risk in combat scenarios.

[vapid arch]

its not because you made a joke, its because i wanted to

[fringe crag]

how sweet of you to think of me 😄

[fringe crag]

double jump doesn't make sense as a universal perk since I can only imagine double jump barbarians to be absolutely busted

[scarlet badger]

🇮🇱

[knotty kernel]

Tumble does not do that, because you can't attack at the same time you are protecting your hitbox. Im sorry, but double jump is broken. I say this as a rogue main, and someone who beleives rogue is underpowered. Double jump is not the way to fix rogue, it never was.

[deep galleon]

Double Jump Barbarian would be funny.

It IS funny, in fact.

[knotty kernel]

That is why we are removing multiclassing. It is funny but horribly unbalanced.

[deep galleon]

Yes but double jump isn't technically that unbalanced. It enhances the game more than it hurts and every class having it puts things on a level playing field.

[minor prairie]

5 seconds is quite a long time dont you think? even 3 seconds would still be fine

[deep galleon]

Rogue having it specifically makes no sense and I'd rather see everyone fooling around with it.

[fringe crag]

I feel like you could still balance double jump. Just making the jumper a bit more vulnerable for a short duration during and after the jump could probably fix your one biggest complaint though. it would deter people from jumping like a rabbit mid combat as it would increase their damage dealt during the action.

[deep galleon]

Backstep + Double Jump, for instance, is probably the single most interesting thing to come out of multi-classing. Is it busted? Absolutely not compared to most other builds (even non-MC ones).

Does it enhance the gameplay experience and add more depth to combat? Hell yes.

[minor prairie]

should give rouge a perk called Acrobat and allow backstep to be used once more time mid air for ultimate shmoovment >:)

[deep galleon]

But going back to Double Jump, it'd be fair if using the second jump (specifically) either:

1. Reduced your move speed by 30% upon landing (50% if you don't wear shoes).
2. Increased damage taken by 30% for 3 seconds after jumping.

[minor prairie]

or at least let you tumble further or change the animation to a backflip so your legs dont get hit in the animation

[minor prairie]

I feel like this would work better.

is Tavern the new anticheat?

[fringe crag]

yeah that's what I was talking about. The individual above (I say "individual above" since everyone is now a famous streamer that cannot reveal their profile name idk what's up with everyone under the sun suddenly using streamer mode.) had a specific complaint about using it to reduce damage and I think it would be super easy to fix just add a short duration where double jump makes you take more damage.

[boreal gulch]

if you join just before a rotation you get empty lobby 😦

[knotty kernel]

Rogue has it because, rogues are usually the acrobatic parkour asssassin class in most games. So they added it as part of the class identity, but I would argue that double jump simply has no place in a game like dark and darker it adds too much dynamism to combat.

[dense bay]

kinda let down about multiclassing being removed shouldve just put two different game modes for people to swap through one with multi classing one without rogue sucks again

[knotty kernel]

I feel such a change would make double jump too much a liability and it would merely end up in the same place it is now. Think what other perks in this game have a nerf to your character for using it. The only ones that do, are rarely ever picked. Double jump is simply a perk that can not be fixed, what it does is fundementally broken, it can only either be super OP or not worth picking, there is no middleground with something like double jump.

[knotty kernel]

Rogue is in an ok state, and multiclassing was never the way to fix rogue. We weren't event he class that benefited the most from it.

[deep galleon]

Dynamic combat is fine. We need more things to make it dynamic.

Also, Rogue's identity isn't that of an "acrobatic" character, it's of a class that uses stealth, deception and swift dexterity to gain the upper hand on foes while combatting them or not. Agility is (unfortunately) a part of the class, but double jumping doesn't necessary for them exclusively at all. Making it universal would just make sense and not ruin Rogue's class identity.

[dense bay]

but was still a benefit and they're never going to fix rogue they nerfed them 10 (more like 5) patches in a row

[fringe crag]

it's originally a movement ability to use to get verticality. It wouldn't be so bad to pick if there was some more map verticality and you can use it to be sneaky like rogues typically be lol. I mean there is some map verticality and it can help you utilize verticality a bit easier. it's not a "liability" unless you think it's a bright idea to parkour while a barb is pushing you

[knotty kernel]

You are correct we need more dynamic combat, but double jump is simply too dynamic for this game.

"and swift dexterity" that is the double jump part. I am telling you I don't think rogue should have the ability (No one should), but that is the reason it is gated behind the rogue class. It is common in RPGS for the stealth assassin class to get the agility abilities.

[fringe crag]

My idea would only add like a short vulnerability like a split second in the jump and the landing not like a 5s debuff.

[knotty kernel]

It wasn't a benfit, all the classes that beat rogue IE Fighter and barbarian, got even stronger than rogue did. And as a class we aren't as bad as we used to be. We were in a far worse state for quite a while than we are now. Yes we need some buffs, but rogue is at least a Playable class again, and we should take some solace in that.

[deep galleon]

Y'know I do have something I wish the devs would start to focus on more and it's to just step back and re-evaluate where they're going with the game.

[knotty kernel]

As I said Dobule jump isn't a perk that can fixed with numbers. It is either overpowered or not worth using. It fundementally breaks the game. I must ask why you are so attached to the ability.

[deep galleon]

Like, if they stopped working on things and looked at the current state of their game, I'm pretty sure they'd consider changing the game's direction in order to actually make it better. Keep the things that work, remove what doesn't work, salvage what might work.

[latent jewel]

is there a place i can see the percent scaling for spells?

[knotty kernel]

This is completely get behind. This is the most important comment made in this channel today. You are completely correct, the devs need to refocus on their vision for the game, and start to pursue that rather than interact with the community.

[subtle heart]

HELLO LF1 FOR HR BOSSES ON CRYPTS. DM ME FOR INV

[fringe crag]

I like to utilize double jump to get to certain jump ups and stuff like I figured it was originally intended for. Also saying "double jump can't be fixed with numbers" and "it's either OP or useless" aren't objective facts if I present to you an idea that could make it not OP but we keep the mobility option to use it when we want to use it? You can't prove to me that double jump can't be fixed by tweaking it partially since my idea of the ability usage has to do with mobility and not becoming a mid fight bunny rabbit?

[dense bay]

rogue copied the skills and perks fighters and barbs used anyway which closed the gap in fighting power which made rogue fun again

it was amazing for content too

[deep galleon]

Community interaction is still important, though, especially in regards to balance. If they want to ensure proper class balance, they should start becoming more aware of if something about a class or perk or skill is wrong.

And as for design choices, the developers should still host QnA's, and perhaps even summits, in order to explain what they're doing and gather feedback from the community about it.

And lastly, the devs definitely need to interact more with the "Testing" community that they do have and start implementing more changes to the test server for an extended period of time before seeing if they should go through with a design choice. Rather than just implement a half-baked system almost immediately after putting it on a Test Server.

[dense bay]

now shit is just gonna go back to warlock and ranger

[jaunty topaz]

Ah yes let's split the lobbies even further since we clearly have the players for that

[fringe crag]

I think removing multiclass is the right play even though I was starting to enjoy it lol

[knotty kernel]

So this is the problem. What you call Jump ups, are actually game exploits, they are areas the devs never intended for you to go. That is why they keep removing the so called jump ups. This game really is not very vertical, you can look at the original map, Crypts, and see the complete lack of verticality. The game is just not designed so as to be really played in three dimensions. This is quite normal actually from the genre the game borrows from. Ei Dungeon crawlers.

[dense bay]

they keep removing/nerfing the fun shit not my fault they cant keep player base

[knotty kernel]

It didn't close fighting power, With barbs running sprint and weapon mastery, rogues were useless against them. and fighter, well fighter I guess was a loser in the new meta (given everyone just played barb with all fighter perks.) Figher could still abuse multiclassing enough to stay above rogue.

I like this new map rotation thing, this is a much better way to handle solo queue, I think. Problems might arise, but I don't currently forsee any.

[fringe crag]

I'm not talking about cheesing my way up the ruins pillars i'm talking about jumping over, on and across certain obstacles and in certain spots that do exist and are intentionally there. I'm not trying to get onto completely unreachable locations i'm just trying to like get on top of certain objects and stuff and I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to do that? Also double jump allows you to navigate to those spots faster as well which I like.

[knotty kernel]

Those jumps can be made though with out double jump. You do a crotch jump, and you can make it, unless ofcourse you are wearing super heavy armor then you might have to unequip some of it.

[fringe crag]

that's why I said that I like that double jump allows you to navigate to those spots faster with less effort. being able to get into little hiding spots fast is valuable when I play rogue because I play rogue like a scumbag lol.

[unreal obsidian]

this fucking email verification code says it's wrong, but it's right...

[knotty kernel]

ok, so you play pickpocket rogue, where you just run away from people, and don't fight. I mean I respect it, its a legitimate gameplay strategy, but the game should not be balanced around that playstyle. Pickpocket rogue can take other perks, like extended hide, trap mastery, creep, jokester and the like. It doesnt need double jump to work. Sure it would help that build, but bothering with balancing it would be to troublesome for everyone else who plays the game.

[fringe crag]

HEY! sometimes when a timmy takes decent damage from mobs I stab him! I mean I guess I can concede to your side on this one. I mean it's not super important I just think it's fun and if they added a way to prevent people from abusing it mid combat it could still stay and be a niche option that some people could pick if they wanted. Not to mention it's not like i'm asking for an addition of the mechanic it's already here anyway. 🤷

[mint stirrup]

Game is unplayable right now with the way it locks my inputs, pretty lame

[cosmic lava]

Its the only thing that makes wizard even worth playing unless youre just ok being a weight on the team

[fringe crag]

As someone who's played wizard a lot I get where you're coming from but the strength of a wizard on your team comes from utility and damage output and it's very dependent on your composition. If you don't have any frontliners then yeah wizard is horrible to run with but with decent frontliners that can make space for you it's actually quite nice and enjoyable to play.

[velvet shard]

Why are you a big guitar hero guy or more of a drawing tablet person?

[fading burrow]

anyone know what Tavern is

[minor prairie]

me personlly I use a DJ hero controller

[minor prairie]

I think its the anti cheat

[fading burrow]

oh sick

[mint stirrup]

Is that what is causing all the performance issues rn? It broke my dad 👨

[alpine holly]

i would love to be able to hit the same map at least twice before i have to wait 6 minutes tbh the timer is so quick

[kindred dirge]

What version should i get when buying ? any big difference ?

[fringe crag]

hold the line just gives you a torch skin and test server access and a skeleton race (but standard edition can get a skeleton race too but red.)

[kindred dirge]

Thanks man

[vital scaffold]

test server access could be a nice benefit if you want to see a class before everyone else (like druid currently)

[kindred dirge]

I don't think i'm there tbh. I just really liked the look of the game

[vital scaffold]

makes sense to me

[kindred dirge]

Cant wait to get into this though. it looks dope.

[cosmic lava]

I don't count "follow someone else around" as super engaging gameplay

Yeah you can buff / throw out a little damage while the "real" players are fighting but I'd rather not choose to be the NPC sidekick in a dungeon crawler

[covert mist]

WTF is wrong with the servers

[blazing latch]

After the most recent patch notes and acceptance of what I’ve been complaining about, I’m starting to think Nexon was right about a lot of statements.

[viscid pagoda]

Omg this rotation is so bad

[whole lagoon]

even with the rotation, my lobby is still dead..

[blazing latch]

@tardy mural it’s because they dropped a garbage patch and needed to add random fluff to make it look meaningful. If they actually played their game or listened, they wouldn’t be making these changes.

[knotty kernel]

Wait, so what is so garbage about this patch, and what did they add that was fluff?

[viscid pagoda]

Yep, seems worst to me. And its painful to play

[blazing latch]

@knotty kernel 4th nerf on BoC, one of the least used skills in multiclassing. Back to trying to salvage matchmaking by adding rotation which the community ALREADY SAID was distasteful. Why? Because they can’t balance and fix their game so they have to fluff it to try and fix. It’s embarrassing for a 50 employee team.

[knotty kernel]

I disagree with your entire post, especially the part of them have 50 employees. There is no way there are more than 10 people working on this game

BoC is one of the best abilities in the game, and can survive another nerf. It's unnecessary, but it can take it. The dark reflection nerf went to soft, they should have removed all scalling from it, ridiculous it scaled in the first place. And what is so bad with this map rotation thing? If we are going to split the player base between solo duo trios we might as well let the maps rotate.

[solar sage]

Multiclassing is gone,Halleluija

[knotty kernel]

not for another week

[solar sage]

So,their is literally 0 new content compaired to last season once they remove multiclassing

[obsidian kiln]

What was in the test server update? Is there somewhere I can read it?

[solar sage]

We have the exact same 3 maps (-1 rip ruins) and classes,with like 4 new gear items

[blazing latch]

@knotty kernel they announced that they moved offices months ago and hired up to 50 total employees. Your opinions are now invalid, pathfinder hardstuck.

[knotty kernel]

I would be more happy if they just stopped trying and didnt release any updates for a season. Instead of reversing the ones they do.

[knotty kernel]

You believed them, You beleived anything IM tells you. HAAHAHHAAHAHH look at this guy. Stick around, you will learn some things, and obtain a grand appreciation for western game developers

[solar sage]

I wouldnt.
Its crazy imo that a 40 bucks game cant do a singular decent content update in 3 months during EARLY ACCESS

If they cant actually make updates in early access,imagine whats gonna happen when the game actually comes out

[blazing latch]

@knotty kernel what’s it like being stuck in pathfinder??

[solar sage]

Dont mock em,the ranking system this patch is fcked

You could get demigod last season 4 times as fast as you can get pathy now

[knotty kernel]

Buddy I don't even know what a pathfinder is, I stopped playing the game months ago, When I realized the devs have no idea what their doing. I just find it hillarious it took you this long, and that your reasoning is so pathetic.

[static rapids]

What they’re doing**

[blazing latch]

@knotty kernel your opinion is irrelevant, kid. Stop typing to someone as amazing as me.

[knotty kernel]

thank you

[static rapids]

Always here for the assist brother

[knotty kernel]

Not like you have one worth listening to. You came here to moan about your class getting nerfed, and can't substantiate it with even the flimsiest argument. You're funnier than the IM defense force.

[neon girder]

hey all does anyone have a trial code they would share with me? i just purchased the game to play with a friend to try out but it wont let me generate a trial code still 😦

[rapid zealot]

does advanced healer work with curse of pain?

[wet orchid]

how many people are in a full HR solo crypts lobby

[narrow pewter]

i spent so much time leveling multi class characters and now its absolutely worthless

[placid sparrow]

it will all be useless when it wipes mate move on

[narrow pewter]

i was planning to at least use my build until the wipe wtf

[placid sparrow]

use it for a week then

[narrow pewter]

yea im just venting like how are they going to completely remove it like that

[placid sparrow]

whats the build?

[plain shell]

yeah lets remove multiclassing and not remove the op tank perks. Great idea !

[narrow pewter]

pretty much a barbarian with demon, right now shadow touch, robust, poison weapon, soul collector, and war cry

[plain shell]

the problem is robust and ironwill in the class with the biggest hp pool

also with movement speed active skill and high damage, very fun

[narrow pewter]

yea thats why demon is so good, war cry and robust both scale soul collectors max hp too, and then additional hp from demon

also pre chugging a potion

[plain shell]

demon is a whole other level of stupid. But not like its not strong without it. barbs main kit is crazy strong

[placid sparrow]

you gotta give blunt weapon mastery and reinforced instruments a go lute hits crazy

[narrow pewter]

yea its just way faster with no weapon, honestly poison weapon is broken with that build, but lizard skin to just keep 62 armor un transformed

[rocky thorn]

what about penguin

[plain shell]

My only problem with barb is how little to no skill is required. Barb is just DnD easy mode lol.

[placid sparrow]

funny how they always die first tho

[plain shell]

Cause they're not used to learning the game. They dont usually need skill to fight, just unga bung w key.

[placid sparrow]

idk every one seems to be a unga bunga s key so its nice to have somting that wants a fight

with a little knowledge on the attack patterns its super easy to skill check barbs

[plain shell]

i play wizard i just get run down cause the dude eat spells

[placid sparrow]

well didnt have a very good front line did you

[plain shell]

i play solo

[fringe fulcrum]

why do i keep getting one tapped by mages

[viral moth]

is it controversial to think bard should go back to a support class and not a combat class?

[vapid arch]

magic stick hurty

[eternal wedge]

is there a way to upgrade the squire's base gear given, from junk to poor or even common?

[merry nest]

QUESTS

[deep galleon]

So, here's what I'd do in regards to the current projectile meta that will still be strong once MC is removed.

[hard sierra]

i just had a low lobby with a warlock with multiple 4 legendaries and tons of pots, clearly over 299; is gbmm gone and not documented?

[white bane]

Complete quests for other shopkeeper to get new items in the squire. Its tier never really upgrades but you do get more variety and some better stats (I.e in cleric's case the armor starts providing a small amount of strength, white tier)

[eternal wedge]

im mainly trying to get mystic gloves to start giving magic healing

[white bane]

Tailor I think

[eternal wedge]

man its a grind though, i barely see bards anymore and im being gatekept

[twin magnet]

bard usually tries to farm bosses in GC

[deep galleon]

{Throwable Weapons}
-Francisca Axes and Throwing Knives now have a maximum capacity of 3.
-Francisca Axes and Throwing Knives can only be put into your utility slots.
-Francisca Axes and Throwing Knives found in the dungeon will automatically equip themselves to the available utility slot unless all utility slots are occupied.
-Francisca Axes and Throwing Knives now drop to the ground when "removed" from your inventory.
-Francisca Axes and Throwing Knives are now destroyed if they hit a surface they cannot destroy, such as floors, walls, chests and doors.
-Throwable Weapons are no longer affected by Perk or Skill effects.

{Bows and Crossbows}
-Bow-type weapons now deal 33% less weapon damage across the board.
-Bow-type weapons can no longer receive physical power and physical damage bonus attributes.
-Bow-type weapons can now receive draw speed, projectile damage and flight speed bonus attributes.
-Crossbow-type weapons now deal static weapon damage regardless of their rarity.
-Crossbow-type weapons now have reload speed as their upgradeable attribute per rarity.
-Crossbow-type weapons now have weapon sway that is affected by your movement state; running with them will increase it, slow walking and crawling will reduce it, and standing still will remove it.
-Crossbow-type weapon reload speed is no longer tied to Dexterity or Agility, but rather, Strength.
-Crossbow-type weapons now require you to unequip them normally when switching from them to your utility items or other weapons. This is to prevent players from shooting and instantly equipping their other item.
-Hand Crossbows now have a very slow removal time that reduces your movement speed by 40%. This is to prevent players from immediately dropping them in order to kite after shooting them.
-Bows and Crossbows are no longer affected by Perk or Skill effects that do not directly apply to them.

[narrow pewter]

i think they made it way easier for mages to roll the spells

[crimson osprey]

why is my timer for map cycle off? anyone else experiencing this?

[hard sierra]

IS SOLO LOBBYS NO LONGER GBMM or bugged? I've played 3 <299 gear solo crypts and have found MULTIPLE people with 300+ Gear Rating?

[solar sage]

I remember you,dont you copy paste this like every patch?

[solar sage]

Because casting spells as mage is unoptimal sadly.
Im a spell TM warlock,its fucking awfull.Id be so much more powerfull if I one tapped.
The meta forces us into this.
Its either one tap,or get one tapped

[carmine vigil]

They removed gbmm

[obsidian kiln]

What was in the test server update? Is there anyway to check?

[hard sierra]

ait what,

[hard sierra]

am i blind, i dont see that listed in the notes?

yes please, I've reread it 3 times now and see no mention of GBMM being gone

yeah.. searching "in:announcements gear" shows the last message at all about gear is about moving to a 400+ to 300+ GR

[untold lily]

what is forest boot?>???

[fluid imp]

where can i upload a video of a cheater to report him?

[shy onyx]

anyone else have to download tavern to play dark and darker?

it literally wont let me get on unless i install 'tavern' to my hard drive

[shrewd beacon]

Is wipe next week with multiclass being removed?

[sinful gull]

Devinestrike, ignite, axe spec, slayer, bloodstained blade, smite = +25 +10 weapon dmg... today is the day guys.... im doing it...

[deft lintel]

So install it then? What’s the problem? You installed their launcher, and you installed their game. Now they add another program and you get scared?

[deft lintel]

Unlikely

[shrewd beacon]

Thanks @deft lintel

havent played inu awhile i want to get back into it badly

[deft lintel]

Good to hear some excitement for once 🙂

[rare oracle]

is interact with torches quest broken?

[jade mulch]

Next Wipe should be in June.

[muted verge]

Some good changes. Now if they just bring back my pvp ruins map and drop GBMM I think this game has a chance. O and delete creep not a fan of that.

[merry nest]

Hehehe got a nice ambush build going, Ima call it "Here's johnny" savage/axespec/backstab/ambush w victory strike, 155 damage with squire felling axe

[muted verge]

I'm assuming most here would like creep to be gone. If not what do you like about it? I'm not a fan of silent 3rd party gank. It's already bad enough when you're getting 3rd party but at least you might hear them coming giving you a few seconds to dip out of the fight as well.

[sly pebble]

can we implement a quality of life quest tracker where we can look up the quests needed to be done mid dungeon

[sinful gull]

hehe nice

[sudden aspen]

Good luck catching up to people

[pliant kite]

Landmine with ambush

[sinful gull]

catching up wouldnt be part of the plan, but movespeed bonus from hide ambush will help with that too

[merry nest]

ya the movespeed from ambush is enough for me to close distance and start the axe hits, which slow

im trying it out with rage instead rn and its pretty nice

only lose 10% power but it lasts more than 1 hit and makes me faster

[dusty sage]

Quitting the game if they remove multiclass

[high tartan]

if they remove it there will be again only full games with ambush rogues and slayer fighters because losers cant play anything else

[rustic heron]

Yeah, damn those ambush rogues! They should be running those other perks instead. You know, the ones that have no direct impact on combat and instead turn them into loot pinatas, pickpockets, and parkour rats.

[analog spire]

or IM could rework rogue into a class that isnt anti-fun

[rustic heron]

I wouldn't mind a rework based around actual stealth and ambushing from actual darkness, as opposed to literal invisibility and a handful of perks improving it in various ways. Just give them more options to sneak around, open things silently, some night vision, and options mess with things like disguising dungeon traps or cause distractions they can then take advantage of.

[potent marlin]

dagger mastery or jokester, if you could only pick one which would you use for rogue

[subtle heart]

How to write a fanletter to the dark and darker devs?

Nevermind found it, ironmace you are the best.

[foggy plover]

I can't believe they still haven't realized that both demon form and shapeshift are hugely undertuned in terms of damage. There's no reason for any of these supposed combat forms to be dealing punch damage. They seem to be trying to balance this by giving them some kind of other advantage, but it just doesn't work.

I was afraid they'd do this to the druid, and ignore feedback or think demon form was actually "Good" because they forgot to give a slow during its worthless bolts and punches, and gave it a life drain that's too strong and anti-fun.

While I'm at it, demon form shouldn't have bolt at all, it should be a capable melee form including having better damage and probably better reach. The core warlock is already capable of casting the spell. It completely fails to live up to the fantasy it's supposed to be portraying.

[rigid field]

Do you guys think if any possibility they will change their mind and not to remove MC next week?

[steep creek]

it could definitely stay with some restrictions. perks/abilities that are not available to classes other than the original. at least thats how i imagine the possibility of it staying. the whole lobby running sprint is not fun :c

[rigid field]

agreed everybody having sprint no good indeed.. would be nice if we still be playing around MC

[hot grotto]

does rangers crippling shot affect mele attacks?>

[winter tinsel]

Isn’t there a silhouette around stealthed rogues now? The have to actually be in the darkness

[lavish sable]

Am i the only one thinking why they didnt put a option to rotate items in the inventory?

[winter tinsel]

Seems kinda low prio but ye could be nice

[lavish sable]

IT is low prio but at least in the stash IT would help in stash organization

[winter tinsel]

I just want to fix the rug under the upstairs table in pre-game lobby 😅

I’d take an auto-sort stash button first but ye, both would be cool

[lavish sable]

That is a good ideia too

But first, DRUID! 🤣

[winter tinsel]

I’d also like to be able to highlight items in stash by attribute/stats.. similar to how you can sort in auction house

[lavish sable]

Yeah like a filter

[winter tinsel]

Ye.. content then QoL

[unborn lichen]

In death cam you can't see rogue outline while invisible. But when playing you can see the outline of rogues. Seems counter productive

[mild lake]

what is the point of making rotation every 3 minutes? why they didn't just make it that you choose which map you want....

[unborn lichen]

kind of agree especially if you are a solo player

[winter tinsel]

Cuz the playerbase isn’t huge. Too many queues splits the playerbase and makes the lower pop regions dead af

[lavish sable]

That would be kinda hard to make players join certain maps and the lobbies would be like 2/3 players

[mild lake]

yeah but probably people would wait for the map that they want since it will only take 3 minutes or 6 while they are trading

[winter tinsel]

Th pretty much explained why in the announcement

Yeah that’s why it’s only 3 mins lol. So ppl don’t have to wait long for preferred map

[mild lake]

yeah but poeple would wait any way so why not just make it that you select the map...

[winter tinsel]

We already have effectively 9 queues (HR and gear based Mm pools) so letting any party size choose any map would increase the pools exponentially. IM already tried this and it didn’t work very well cuz dead lobbies

So we get rotation, best of both worlds

[high tartan]

time to remove those naked homosexuals making this game look like shit show

[winter tinsel]

Tho I believe IM will return to the free map choice idea once game releases on Epic, and we get many more players

[static rapids]

is there an actual date for the release yet?

[serene mesa]

it's so fucking annoying there needs to be a -500% PDR penalty for not wearing a full set of clothes

[prime maple]

great to see rangers are still the class all the shitters play.

[fresh plinth]

Would be really nice QOL improvment if the 1/2/3/4 buttons and icons could be a little brighter

[rough whale]

Can we heavily nerf damage stacking? shit is the eqivalent to +3 all now just people running around with ~+15 dmg

[left hornet]

Have we figured out what the tavern.exe is?

[sinful gull]

4th mindwipe in a row to get this build now ... this gonna be expensive

im at mindwipe number 8 now still not even close, wow

[desert fractal]

So ? Is there going to be a wipe next week with removal of multiclass?

[sinful gull]

16 mindwipes 8k gold ... if i dont get it now its uninstall until next season

[limber verge]

barbarian tag...

[prime maple]

ranger = worst player group in the game.

[coral mulch]

**Cat eyes **- You can see in the dark
**Shadowmeld **(Replaces Stealth and hide mastery) - While in shadows, you again X ms and are partially invisible.
**Hide **- For 10 seconds, reduce the time required to *Shadowmeld * by 2.5 seconds

this way you can trigger ambush a few times if your good

all defeated by simple torches

[deep galleon]

Y'know I think that this game would be a whole lot healthier if Trade and Marketplace were outright removed, and inspecting a player doesn't show you the random attributes of gear they have.

Because then at least when you're killing someone for their gear, there's this big mystery as to what you'll get.
And also players would have to actually engage with the game to get good gear rather than just buy it off the marketplace and be super juiced up.

[ornate silo]

no

[deep galleon]

It would also significantly increase the amount of players actually in dungeons at any given time.

So it's a win all around.

[ornate silo]

this all sounds good, but then you just get one team with BIS and they cant die

and gold would be worthless

[steady scroll]

game one absolutely smoth no fps drop, next game stutters non stop

[analog spire]

this is why i play normals. its not a perfect fix but it helps a lot

[brisk lava]

No then wtf is the point of finding better gear..

[quick ginkgo]

Gear \ Gold is too easy and too plentiful to have meaning. It's no longer fun to grind because progression is so fast. Each update feels like we are approaching a battle royal instead of a high risk high reward combat game like in early playtests.

[brisk lava]

When troll pelts are 1 in 5 and 3k each it's a bit fast

[quick ginkgo]

You can make 1-3k a run without trying just by knowing what attributes sell. Every box you hit is going to have blues->purples which will eventually roll +all or what ever stats you are farming.

[brisk lava]

Eh..gear is cheap af rn

[quick ginkgo]

I haven't played much since the MC stuff. Did player population drop off hard?

[brisk lava]

Last time I played blues with +all were 100g lul

[quick ginkgo]

Before MC a +2 all was at least 600+ gold on good slots

[brisk lava]

If you wanna make money troll pelts are the easiest..I got 3 in a row before made 10k in 3 or 4 normals games

Nah after they removed +2 it's only +1 now

And gear is literally worthless unless it has actually 3 good rolls

[quick ginkgo]

The whole reason they messed up gear in the first place was and I quote "They don't want a gear gap to exist". Seems strange they would introduce an even more complex gear gap in its place

[brisk lava]

No gear gap is cursed cause then there's no point in finding good gear..then people cry about gear gap

No one wins

[quick ginkgo]

That is why I stopped playing. The game doesn't feel rewarding. I don't care what I equip when I go in anymore and I barely loot my kills except for blue \ purple collectibles

[brisk lava]

👍

Too many white kit spammers whining they can't get gear when it takes literally no effort

[oblique hinge]

kit spammer wtf

[wind venture]

What I really think is always shitty with the seasons, the moment you hit demigod, I bet 90% will stop playing that character cause you can lose it.

[brisk lava]

Yup..I didn't stop playing but I just stopped playing solos which is what I got it on..what theybshould do is once you hit demi, you can't lose it

[quick ginkgo]

Removing the gold price of HR and increasing the amount of gold in game by 100x also feels unbalanced. Are there any holes for gold to dissapear in now or is it locked within the economy?

[shadow bough]

They should also rescale the ap costs for entering the dungeon in voyager and Demi. I’ve seen good streamers stuck in voyager even tho they wipe whole gc lobbies and boss

[brisk lava]

Nah voyager is easy..exemplar 2 and 1 and demi needs an adjustment atleast in gc

I think 200 less

800 exemplar 1 1k demi would be more balanced

But hitting exemplar is not hard

[wind venture]

Did they remove low HR and HR???

my points are at minimum 230 and I'm here with full golden players

[brisk lava]

Gold is purple

Not hard to cheese full purps under 299gs

[wind venture]

Well they are also legendary with 30 meds and 30 pots lol

[brisk lava]

🤷‍♂️

[hard sierra]

You're not the only one finding this odd and not documented, see my posts last night and by others as well last night

Somethings off for sure it's especially apparent in solos right now where Timmys and full legendary/purples can be seen in same lobby

What I'm guessing is when they reintroduced rotation system they never updated it to use GBMM so it's the old code using ranked MM

[coral mulch]

someone test it ;D

[deep galleon]

So hear me out on this:

{The Treasurer}
-The Treasurer now has a new service known as "Banking", which allows you to store any coin type within a vault.
-The Treasurer's banking service has a maximum limit of 50,000 Gold, 100,000 Silver and 250,000 Bronze coins.

{Bronze}
-Bronze Ore, Bronze Ingots and Bronze Coins have been added to the game.
-Bronze Coins can be found in the dungeon or through selling low-quality items to vendors.
-Bronze Coins can be created through Bronze Ingots at the Treasurer's "service" option.

{Vendors}
-Vendors now accept all coin currency as payment for items.
-The higher the quality of the item, however, the pricier it will be through vendors.

{Coin Carriers}
-Purses, Bags and Chests are no longer restricted to holding Gold Coins and are renamed to reflect that.
-Purses, Bags and Chests can contain any coin type and now have a UI element saying how much of which coin there are. Their original limits remain the same, however.
-Pressing Shift + Left Click on these containers will open them up to allow you to extract coins.
-New Small Coin Chest has been added, allowing you to carry 5,000 of any coin.

{Item Rarities}
-Coin Purses are now Common rarity items, allowing them to be taken into dungeons.
-Coin Bags are now Uncommon rarity items.
-Small Coin Chests are Epic rarity items.
-Large Coin Chests are Legendary rarity items.
-Bronze Ore, Bronze Ingots and Bronze Coins are Common rarity items.
-Silver Coins are still Common rarity items.
-Gold Coins are now Common rarity items.

{Marketplace}
-The Marketplace now accepts Bronze and Silver as currency for an item, but the amount cannot exceed 10% of the Gold Coin cost to prevent inaccessibility to items.

[mild lake]

is their a solution for the doors? I haven't finished a single fight the entire season without someone escaping

[wide herald]

I mean 500g mind wipe is a sink

[shadow bough]

I mean depends on the player…. 500 g is enough for many players to spam re roll till they get their desired perks. Good thing multi ass is on its way out

[silk thistle]

this.

[wide herald]

Then they don't ever roll again anyway

Cause meta slave only

[shadow bough]

When you give players all the tools in the world it doesn’t promote build variety, since there is no restrictions people will always build what’s “best” glad this shit is leaving

If this community was chill like that, we’d see more goofy fun off this patch

[wide herald]

I've been trying a bunch of things on a ton of classes

[shadow bough]

What’s the most meme build u made

[sinful gull]

i rolled 16 times today for my fighter trying to get my dream build of: slayer, axe master, spell mem,devinestrike, ignite, smite, bloodstained blade for +25 weapon dmg +10 magic dmg and I didnt get it... 8000 gold

[shadow bough]

Damn Ironmace really hates you then looks like it. They should lower the cost or give one free daily till end of Multi class

[sinful gull]

sdf really owes me a hug rn.

well i got allmost everything on my cleric and figured its trash... instrument barb was probably the most memeish thing i did but there isnt much to it just 1 bard perk

[shadow bough]

I saw someone post Caster barb on Reddit and i never knew magic missile scaled with stats 🤣 . The dude fired what seemed like 8 very slow moving missiles

[quiet grove]

spellspeed = knowledge

[static inlet]

Bronze ore doesn’t exist dog

[quiet grove]

It does but it pretty much only spawns in top right mine of goblin cave.

[deep galleon]

That's why I made sure it was a "hear me out" concept. And also why I said "Bronze Ore" has been added in concept.

[static inlet]

no i mean bronze is made of tin and copper. I was just shitposting

[sudden aspen]

The majority of players experimented rather than building only meta builds

[shadow bough]

I disagree, the build variety definitely decreased. They even had to nerf key spells and abiliites such as smite, and dark reflection and ambush windlass combo in order to account for this. I bet you too after the data they collected, it will show players gravitating towards "meta" builds.

[ionic kayak]

anyupdate or dev input on tavern.exe being flagged as malicious by antivirus? 😦

[static rapids]

Majority of the people I run with are still changing shit up and trying new things, it’s not always about what’s best. A lot of dudes wanna try new stuff and have fun, no diddy

[shadow bough]

And i appreciate all the lads who do, genuinely but im sad to say our SEA and Chinese friends would disagree with you. Also no fault of their own, if the devs give you the tools to break the game go ahead and do it! Im just glad the regular game is coming back soon!

[deep galleon]

Well in a fantasy game, it can be a naturally occurring resource. lol

[limpid grotto]

I never understand how anyone could release a game that's loot and time dependant and allow rampant cheating. Goodbye

[hasty gazelle]

you guys think they're gonna bring back ruins? man i miss that map

[final gale]

Rogue with hide and phantomize and playing piercing shrill. You can play instruments while in phantomize

[snow magnet]

why i always feel like enemy is doing more damage?
are hits not registering?

i always got the feeling he is "1 hp left" but then the enemy is like 50-60% hp left

and its on normal roller, so gear is pretty much equal

[gritty breach]

You might be slapping arms @snow magnet

[snow magnet]

everytime?

something just feels off idk

[chrome birch]

WTF DID EVEN DO this patch footsteps are litterly silent while running the game is rubberbanding like creazy litterly unplayble rn

[steel fulcrum]

@zinc sparrow @rugged lintel new map rotation thing and removing multiclassing is such a great choice, thanks for caring thats all

[marble wharf]

GET rid of creep sooooo boring rewards absolute rat behavior

[vital scaffold]

ratting will always be a part of the game

[glossy current]

Did they remove trash multi classing yet? Haven't played since the rogue lobby bug.

[vital scaffold]

not quite yet but they announced it will be gone soon #📢announcements

[desert gull]

they have said this should be the last week of multiclass

[glossy current]

Thanks lads.

[elfin fern]

witcher build PLEASE

[finite flint]

is there an Admin avalibile ?

[wooden pasture]

Cannot wait for class mastery to go away

[mystic trellis]

multiclassing adds way to much confusion to the game tbh

[wooden pasture]

It was fun the first few days but it ruins the dynamic of the game and encourages stupid min max meta builds

[mystic trellis]

can you stilll be seen while moving in stealth

[wooden pasture]

Yes

[mystic trellis]

k

[solar sage]

Staff boc staff mastery bonk one shot

We're at a point,where spellcasters are forced to play melee,its one shot or get one shotted atm

[wooden pasture]

Bonk mastery

[whole lagoon]

rip people literally duoing in solos and there's nothing we can do about it

[solar sage]

Actually USING SPELLS as a warlock/wizzard is absolutely useless

[solar sage]

"man man look hes here help help help"

[eternal latch]

Anyone having problem with kaspersky telling tavern.exe is a trojan?

[south sierra]

anyone know what the cyclops club is for?

[wise coral]

yes and now ever since its been downloaded my game keeps crashing.

[hoary vortex]

my game keeps crashing

i played in the morning fine

[eternal latch]

kaspersky keep deleting the file

[desert gull]

as of right now I don't believe it is used for anything, though it is rolled on the same table as the Cyclops Eye and Rags which are both crafting materials
its likely there will be something, probably a weapon given the object in question, we will be able to craft in the future
but since the crafted item will potentially be added in a future wipe and the size of the Cyclops Club, its up to you if you want to hold onto it just in case
there is also the possibility it will be used in a future quest, the wiki does label that particular drop table as "Quest_Cyclops_Common"

[eternal latch]

saying its a trojan so you need to limit it in kaspersky

[cunning fulcrum]

FIX THIS GAME!!!!! this is actually terrible

Multi-class is not it.

[brisk lava]

Man can't read announcements ig Kekwoo ayluhmao

[vapid arch]

one of the weapon crafts i think

[desert gull]

oh is there actually something you can craft with it? I'd appreciate knowing its name if you're able to figure that out :)

[vapid arch]

its the epic club craft

i forgot the name

[desert gull]

oh, yep, just found it
Boneshaper, purple club with a small boost to its armor pen
neat, I've never heard of this one

[cunning fulcrum]

npc

[brisk lava]

Says Mr illiterate

[cunning fulcrum]

i read it now.. but go on

[brisk lava]

[vapid arch]

club use to be 20 armor pen and the craft use to be 30 but they nerfed it because it was just a pocket maul

[scenic hornet]

Allow lmfao

[twin viper]

anz fix problem tavern an error has occurred.code : 21?

[stuck ridge]

dude with the death of multi class, the devs need to add as many weeks to the end of the season as Multi class was long, or straight just make this a double lenght season

[torpid scaffold]

@glad thunder why is longsword requiring you to be almost pixel perfect with very obtuse high guard from HEMA when bardiche is this piss easy to block literally anything with?
Riposte? when bardiche blocks arrows with air?
https://youtu.be/XWqkqw1-8Ro?si=QwTCJOh28S9YfsV0

[brisk lava]

wat.

[brisk lava]

sounds like a skill issue longsword riposte is so easy lul

[torpid scaffold]

ok

[brisk lava]

not as easy vs arrows but melee its not hard

[torpid scaffold]

but watch the vid, why is it so easy to block with bardiche

who tf cooked it

[brisk lava]

oh thats cooked..bardiche should be changed if anything not ls

[torpid scaffold]

call me shit at the game but for me blocking first swing of falchion with longsword is a gamble, it's piss easy with bardiche

[torpid scaffold]

[brisk lava]

well yeah cause bardiche hitbox is big as fuck lol apparently

[torpid scaffold]

imma abuse that shit weapon then when im back in game, perfect block counterattack

[brisk lava]

atleast it doesnt do 900 damage off a block but i get your point

[merry nest]

this +25 damage wizard build i rolled is pretty troll

[proper hollow]

Lmao I was playing ice cave teaming with a naked random I just met , he stealth and some warlock exactly knew where he was , hopefully I can get out before him to report him
Update : Rofl I forgot to report 🤣

[left fiber]

how much would a viola normally sell for?

[merry nest]

I CANT WAIT FOR MULTI TO BE GONE I AM MALDING AT THESE RNG ROLLS

[unkempt raft]

Whats the matter? Tired of Cast Speed Hand Crossbows?

[merry nest]

nah just mad that i had to spend like 8k gold to roll a build ig

[open sky]

whats the max capacity to play this game with friends? 3 player groups or is there a 5 player dungeon available, anyone?

[bold wolf]

WTF

[high sapphire]

when are they gonna get rid of gbmm. every person i run into is a boss that can chase me around the map because of ms cap change. i bring in my mid kit and one too many health pots and everybody is a god im fighting. its not even fun it just makes those lobbies that much sweatier when you inevitable get in them for not min maxing gear score. its a shit system remove it please

[bold wolf]

I go HR with a good kit and I get DC and lose it FIX THIS GAME!!!!!!!!

[torpid geode]

this is gnna happen without gbmm regardless 💀

[bold wolf]

I spent 4000 gold on a kit and I lose it because of a bug in this game that causes disconnection and game crash. That's absolute BS @zinc sparrow

Lower the stakes in your game if you aren't going to prevent game crash and server DC. My career is less frustrating.

[high sapphire]

nah but its a suprise and it might be more rare running into someone with op gear. in that gear zone or whatever its like everyone is op as fuck. maybe im just mid at the game but i never survive in those higher lobbies i just get gear diffed by anybody i run into. gbmm has been shit for me and i think its bad for the game

[pliant osprey]

self-preservation quest not working for anyone else?

[bold wolf]

I'm rocking best internet service possible and 3K $$ PC so it's not on my end.... Disconnection and Crashing. Anybody else having these issues?

for me this is just today specifically that it's been happening.

[torpid geode]

gbmm isnt the underlying problem, its just how much stronger one piece of gear can be than another in a lower tier. Best to fix/complain abt the root cause of the problem than to redirect it to a band-aid fix they slapped on the game

gbmm is actually a good thing when done right, they can do a lot of tweaking to make it much better but they still hve to figure out how to lessen the power between gear rarities

since its just their first iteration ig they have a long way to go

[bold wolf]

You can farm 400-1200 gold per game in commons and ppl sell fantastic gear and weapons for 200-5000K gold so you could be a juicer too if you grind a little bit and have enough skills

[high sapphire]

im ok with gear being good but when the whole lobby is full of juicers it just feels crazy. i liked the other one better it felt more balanced

[high sapphire]

i try to build some kits but ive been using poison ranger so its not like i need much. im getting ran down by people with their weps out when i have like 125 ms?

[torpid geode]

i get what ur saying tho, it makes sense but even with the previous system, it just takes a lil longer to get steamrolled by a juiced player. So ig in this case ur choosing the lesser of the two evils

[bold wolf]

Sounds like a multi-classing issue. everyone is running sprint for MS

[high sapphire]

true. i think ranger will be a lot more fun again with multiclassing gone. it was fun with sprint backstep tho lol

[bold wolf]

Normally it would just be fighters and you can destroy the slayers since they have very little projectile damage reduction and the PDR boys even with sprint aren't that fast usually.

I get deleted by rangers when I play slayer and push them aggressively.

[merry nest]

just be a slayer ranger ezpz

[cerulean mason]

goodluck tryna be that after this week

[bold wolf]

perk sacrifices suck tho @merry nest running weapons mastery is annoying and any other class that can use bows has better action speed with bows from base which makes it a lopsided fight at range. I just play the no you push me first game with rangers when I play slayer so if they really want to die they can get super close and then I pop sprint from close cover.

[merry nest]

ranger can still use arming/shortsword so its not that bad even with no perks

[cerulean mason]

but then its not a slayer

[bold wolf]

rangers melee damage and HP/PDR/MS on base junk kit is horrid

[merry nest]

just soften them with arrows then your piddly melee attacks can finish them off xD

[spring sonnet]

Is there a big with Rusty swords, had one handed in 1/2 handed second in and it took the item and showing 1/2 still

[deep galleon]

I'm gonna be real, PDR and MDR cap should be reduced to 35%. No sense in having no-nuts getting 60% PDR and removing skill from the equation of a fight.

[merry nest]

The weapons all suck too

only a select few ever get used and it shows

Ya idk about that, the population already lookin kinda sad

they gonna need new content to bring people back, not taking away current stuff lol

[fringe crag]

need to launch druid asap frfr.

[merry nest]

hopefully not as it is now, cause that shit is trash

[fringe crag]

No not as is lol. I just mean that I think Druid will breathe more life into the game when it's worked out proper. I for one am excited for a class progression system

[merry nest]

same, multiclassing is fun but really imbalanced

[smoky egret]

does dark still have trial codes does anyone know??? my friend is trying to get his and cant.....

[fringe crag]

if you go to the website you can generate a trial code for you buddies

[smoky egret]

i already used mine but my friend is gettin an error

[fringe crag]

I figured it was imbalanced on purpose. sdf said that they intentionally made it that way to test how it would go.

[fringe crag]

idk if they have a support team but maybe see if someone can help you with the issue your friend is having

[mental kelp]

does victory strike work on bows

[mild lake]

I think it does because it doesn't say melee weapons

[merry nest]

It does

its not that great though since its only 1 hit, trueshot or rage would be better imo

[safe juniper]

very happy they brought back map rotations
playing the same map x100000 because ur a solo or duo or trio sucks

[meager stag]

Just build pen man !🤓

Biggest issue is the lack of anti heal on basically all the classes

[deep galleon]

No it isn't.

[meager stag]

Yes it is

There is no counter play to perma healing cleric and warlock comps

[winged hatch]

When get it Fixed, that the Tavern AntiCheat is no more a Virus for Antivirus Prog Users?

[subtle heart]

Yo can anyone help I just got abnormal detection error code 2 times then got perm banned what does this mean, Ive been false banned once before is this the same?

[ruby vine]

well came back to play dark and darker ..... get killed by a adrenaline rush bard, GOSH that sucks xDDDD
do you know when the game will be good again with "classic classes" ?

[lunar summit]

next week you will be able to come here and cry about something not multiclass related don't worry

[unkempt raft]

Why are you lying to him? He can do that now.

[vapid arch]

a lot

[mild lake]

they will remove multi classing next week

[tropic light]

hunting traps should count as a kill

[jaunty topaz]

That Hunting Trap guy is the best player in Dark and Darker, he gets so many kills but never dies

[ruby vine]

Thx

[vivid bay]

Is gear based still here

[past light]

Kind of new and I am struggling with the Wizard, am I missing something?
I got them to level 33 and I have gotten only one kill in that entire time with a very unfair advantage.

[vapid arch]

due to multiclassing everyone has access to iron will and anti magic which is about 45% mr not including base stats and other stats of armor/weapons

wizard is best at bonk/cactus rn but that defeats the point of wizard

[fringe crag]

Yeah, bonk wizard is very counter intuitive to wizard gameplay, but it's the best thing to run rn and you still have caster options but 10 spell isn't worth rn.

[past light]

I see. I don't feel like that is what is happening most of the time tho. Most often I die to muticlassed rogue or barbarian with all damage/attribute perks.
Usually I just 1-2 fireballs, then they are ontop of me and I am dead. Having haste up lets me run but doesn't actually let me gain any distance so its just delaying the inevitable.

[vapid arch]

everyone's using sprint as well

[wicked gate]

hello guys do somebody knows aprox the end of this season ?

[past light]

Is this just as common in normals?
Really I just feel like Ranger is the same thing as Wizard but objectively better. No less damage, faster fire rate, faster projectiles, etc.
I mean I feel more potent at range as a Fighter with a crossbow...

[vapid arch]

multiclassing makes everything stronger so if you're doing normals for whatever reason then you're still going to use them

im spamming normals cuz im bored and im doing rogue with slayer dual wield robust blood exchange and savage roar

ranger and wizard provide completely different forms of damage and utility

[crystal fractal]

early june

[vapid arch]

what do you think they were doing before multiclass?

you dont like multiclass because its strong, so what's going to stop people from using the next meta thing when it goes?

[brittle vault]

are res shrines back in gc

[grand yew]

i hate this map rotation system being able to play all maps is cool and all but if i get shitty timing why do i gotta wait 6 mins for the map i want im trying to learn troll and its just such few tries per hour because of this rotation system

[vapid arch]

you're so right babe i should run ambush dagger mastery jokester and hide mastery and sit in a corner all game with stealth and double crossy

the game had issues before multiclassing and will do after its gone, if you're mad at me running random builds in normals then somethings a bit too rent free in your head

[knotty kernel]

You are correct, @random echo will lose to those same players whether multiclassing is in the game or not. But Mutliclassing is still bad, and needs to go

[vapid arch]

why would i respond by showing how the game still has flaws to someone zerking off over the removal of multiclassing like its the saving grace of the game, gee iunno bro

[knotty kernel]

Map rotation is great

[vapid arch]

i think multiclass should be removed and i think it is bad for the game, but it was definitely a breath of fresh air compared to what we had to put up with before and will have to indefinitely

[polar talon]

map rotation is great yeah

[knotty kernel]

true enough

[polar talon]

multiclass have is home to the game but not for now and it needs to be completly revamp

[vapid arch]

i think it also showcased how certain perks and abilities are strong which were otherwise overshadowed by others, so if anything the removal of multiclassing might bring more diversity in peoples builds

[polar talon]

we shouldnt think of choosing class has a ''base stats''. we need to kepp class identity

[knotty kernel]

yeah for multiclass of any kind to work it will need to be revamped into an entirely different system

[vapid arch]

i always wanted a subclass system instead of a multiclass system

[left fiber]

is it only the one quest for explosive bottles and ale?\

[vapid arch]

yes, there's also a quest for 15 oil lanterns

[prisma lava]

So I'm trying to get back into the base warlock perks. What is the higher end warlock builds ? Torture mastery still the go to?

[left fiber]

ya, already have that one just trying to clear uneeded stuff out of my inventory

[vapid arch]

you should probably read the message i posted after that

yeah bro's just going on some egotistical rant no one cares about and doesn't even read other peoples messages

zzzzz

[fringe crag]

I appreciate that they're gonna give us a progression system and I agree floppa I wanna see a subclass system

[vapid arch]

someones using whacky builds in normals, time to flex on a made up stat to feel superior

[supple pier]

tbh you don't need a lot of skill to reach high leaderboard. Not to say you aren't good, it definitly is challenging to use the weakest melee-focused class and reach leaderboard, but you can totally do it by solely grinding mobs and collectibles whilst avoided pvp.

[vapid arch]

also this, i think the old leaderboards were a better indication of skill

[fringe crag]

subclassing is a way to add "multiclass" without completely screwing up the whole game. I think a trickster rogue would be really cool tbh.

[supple pier]

Also would be cool to see the average kill amount per match, deaths oer an amount of matches, amount of mobs, sub-bosses, and bosses killed of the players on the leaderboard. would help newer players easily see how they should play to "grind" ranked

[vapid arch]

well im also the #2 rogue on trios so this can't be true

[supple pier]

Aren't we all #2 rogue actually?

[fringe crag]

yeah I think it'll be cool! Also I might be the only one that wants this but I think monk would be a cool class to have lol. They mentioned paladin and that might actually convince me to make a heavy armor character if it ends up being good

[supple pier]

If you ain't #1 rogue, you're actually last rogue tbh tbh

[supple pier]

like the opposite of barbarian? lots of small attacks using fists as opposed to a couple big ones with an axe?

[vapid arch]

i think the issue with a monk class is they'll inevitably try to make some fist combat their main form of offense, and given how jank it is to melee with demon form it probably won't be the best

[fringe crag]

yeah! so like instead of one big hit it would be like multiple flurries of hits

[fringe crag]

I think demon form has it's own set of problems lol. I don't think it's just a problem with fist fighting I think the model is bugged or something

[polar talon]

monk will have 80 vigor base stat

[fringe crag]

I mean they would have to make it fit within the game in a balanced manner but I just think the idea of me going in with like a quarter staff and my fists and just punching people and doing parkour would be cool lol.

[supple pier]

That is completely fair lol, I just meant more so that if you had infinite time (or just played the game like a thousand hours per wipe) that you could safely grind to at least Pathfinder or Exemplar. But definitely super unlikely and unobtainabile in a 3-month span for most players. So I do agree with you, it definitely is a cop-out to say lol, but great job nonetheless! What build do you usually run?

[supple pier]

give monk triple jump

[vapid arch]

getting X rank on the leaderboards is merely an indication of getting treasure and extracting, other than the ability to farm and extract it requires no other skills. this is a fact.
i brought up the generic rogue build as an issue because you're so opposed to multiclassing as its causing issues for the game like the combat and builds before weren't, look up the definition of juxtaposition and comparison please.

[fringe crag]

I think he's referring to the fact that AP isn't strictly combat based and you can easily farm AP and boost your leaderboard rank by just huddling around some torches and opening every portal you see etc.

[fringe crag]

and wall run naturally

[supple pier]

yeah that, especially for maps like Ice Caverns with guaranteed outs.

[supple pier]

+2

I've had matches of Ice Mountains where a raft spawns in under 2 minutes, so I just clear like maybe 10 mobs, take as much as I can, and dip

[fringe crag]

you think ranger is OP and you hate getting toothpicks shot at your face? screw it catch it and throw it back at them for 25% more damage!

[vapid arch]

raft next to wolf cave always spawns at 15 minutes

[supple pier]

bottom right raft spawns a lot lol

[fringe crag]

they may have patched the torch tech I think that was an old tech I was just giving examples and remembered that farmers used to huddle around and interact with torches

[supple pier]

truth, demigod this season is insane compared to previous ones, keep up the good cooking, king

[fringe crag]

so you only get AP for one portal opened now? that sucks

[supple pier]

what is a torch tech lol

[fringe crag]

torch tech was a big thing in the previous seasons where people (typically ap farmers) would huddle up in a little farm village and interact with torches and stuff and it would always give you ap for every interaction so you could spam it and gain a ton of AP for nothing. They fixed it now I think

[supple pier]

wtf why would they make repeatable interactables count lol???

[fringe crag]

the worst part was people who would team up in like groups of 8 in solo ruins and spam the crap out of it lol. If you tried to fight one of them they would all jump you at once

[supple pier]

so does that mean taking a static up or down gives zero ap?

[fringe crag]

I don't remember if statics give AP

[supple pier]

i mean 10 ap is like nothing at all when you can get 1k+ in a single match lol

[fringe crag]

Well it made a difference leaderboard wise if you opened like 12 portals around the map before leaving

[supple pier]

ah i see

[left fiber]

what drops bug shells?

[fringe crag]

Very boring gameplay that was lol

[prisma lava]

Bugs

[left fiber]

wow thx, now which ones?

[fringe crag]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1071628538391830719

[supple pier]

only the Death Beetle mob

[fringe crag]

damn so they made it way harder to keep the higher tiers huh? aside from just not playing after you hit demi

[supple pier]

most common in GC.

[fringe crag]

so doing decent and extracting is basically worthless in demi this season? I feel like that's very punishing to people who still play after hitting the rank

I think making it easier to maintain the rank and adding rank decay would help player count a bit. For sure part of the low player count problem is likely cause people wanna keep their rank for the season so they just dropped the game till june lol.

[supple pier]

takes me nearly the entire timer to just clear a couple HR tiles in Infernal, can't imagine clearing the whole floor

does reaching a rank on one character give the ranked rewatds to all your characters or just the one?

so does it give rewards to all characters you make for the entire next season, or just the ones you already had?

like if the reward is like 15 potions lol?

ah okay

[deft vector]

cosmetics and races are for all characters but like the other guy said stuff like potions and coin bags do not. I barely made rank for black skele and can use it on every character.

[polar talon]

i think merchant even at 0 affinity should sell white stuff.

[blazing fractal]

is thuss game still ran through blacksmith

?

[grand yew]

got my 1st troll kill so i dont mind it anymore pog

[knotty kernel]

gratz man

[grand yew]

thx i cant really get it down but im trying it does a combo swipe sometimes which gets me

[vapid arch]

if he's comboing at all then you're moving towards him too early

all you have to do is circle to his right and he'll only do a right to left swing, an overhead slam, and the massive overhead where you have to back up after every 4 attacks

when he does his right to left swing then only move back in once his hands nearly back to his right side

you'll get 1-3 hits in depending on weapon and action speed

he's got another attack where he slams the ground with his fist but i haven't done HR troll yet so idk about that one

[frank field]

how do you mindwipe? dont see it anywhere

[vapid arch]

fortune teller - services

[cedar vector]

Do we know when next week multi class is being removed?

[subtle heart]

i thought multiclass was gone

[analog thunder]

can you not vedor the divine weapons you get from the quests? or am i just glitched somehow?

[vapid arch]

its getting removed next week

[vapid arch]

you can't vendor any craftables, you have to sell them or drop them in game

[analog thunder]

oof

[subtle heart]

oh well i just died to a rouge with boc and achellies

[vapid arch]

sprint and smite is more funny

[fast delta]

Did they change the cave trolls wobble attack? keeps getting me somehow

[vapid arch]

the what attack

[teal parcel]

Everytime i try to play this game im just met with toxic people and no one is willing to teach me anything its kinda wild

[indigo lily]

fuck multi classing. update the game already

[vapid arch]

hardcore games have a tendency to attract a hardcore playerbase

[outer ridge]

nerf double jump, give everybody creep, just remove rogue bruh talk about class identity

[ionic wave]

anyone else getting result code 10 error message?

[cunning canopy]

Is gold chest 0.1% drop rate each hoard pull? Or 4 times that since each pull rolls 4 treasures?

[formal moon]

Soon, but I want them to yeet gbmm yesterday

[wise coral]

Has there been any update about why the tavern is detected as a trojan?

[deft vector]

ya getting snuck up on by a barbarian as a rogue, fuk this game

[left fiber]

is broken skulls used for any other quests than the first tavern masters?

[subtle heart]

Gaathering hall seems extremely quiet. Is this normal now?

[potent marlin]

is dagger mastery worth it? would replace with jokester or smthn else

[shrewd spire]

if u want remove mutant , do it quick. life is short, dont waste 1 week.

[shrewd spire]

if u want remove mutant , do it quick. life is short, dont waste 1 week.

[untold cape]

i think they should implement a queue system like in league of legends would make gathering hall obsolete

[scenic hornet]

Lmfao how

[near jackal]

VIGOR PLEASE

[deep galleon]

I wonder if a lot of this game's problems would be resolved if China was removed from the game.

[quick fern]

queueing for a full lobby of players would make too much sense

[wind venture]

Why the hell do I keep getting thrown into the GIGA GEARED HR when my gear is barely 200 points (And yes, counted meds, 3 potions 3 bandages) gear is green/blue

[quick fern]

theyre 299 min maxed

[wind venture]

@quick fern It's not, 4 legendary gear, purple,. 30+ meds

[rancid pulsar]

What do u guys think will be the best class after multiclassing and why?

[deep galleon]

Here's a unique concept (pun intended):

{Unique Weapons}
-Unique weapons (named items, specifically) have been removed from the game for a multitude of reasons; one is that players tend to not even use these weapons due to their perceived value and most players would tend to sell them for real-world currency rather than in-game currency or items.
-However, the names of these named items will not be removed, rather they will be repurposed.

{Enchantment System}
-Replacing the named items is the Enchantment system that can be done through the new Enchantress vendor. Enchantments allow you to give one enhancement to your weapon that is from a pool of different options.
-Weapon enhancements can range from things such as "magic damage", "weapon damage up", "action speed", "experience up", "lifesteal" and even actions that activate under specific circumstances.
-Weapon enhancements can be done starting at poor rarity items, but the enhancements will actually increase the higher your weapon's rarity is, although it does come at a steeper cost.
-When a weapon is enchanted, they receive a unique name based on that enchantment, as well as a level based on their current rarity.

{Legendary Weapons}
-Legendary Weapons will now innately have an enchantment on them already.
-Legendary Weapons can also have an additional enchantment added to them through the Enchantress merchant.
-Legendary Weapons cannot be sold in Trade Chat, so as to prevent players from RMT'ing.

[restive whale]

so is everyone having to waste thousands in gold and mindwipe 10 times for one thing or is it just me

[coral mulch]

I got perfect roles on my rogue but I have had to spend almost 3k on my Barb in one day just to get sprint lol

[pseudo lance]

is anyone else getting random game crashes since the patch?

[wind venture]

Does anyone got a map where gold spawns?

[copper ivy]

Does anyone know if they will add a gear score interface? so that you can play this game without a third-party calculator

[deep galleon]

Someone suggested the idea that uniques should be significantly less rare but have worse effects and I gotta say, I like the idea.

Mostly make them boss drops, like a 50/50 chance of getting it.

That'd probably solve the issue of RMT'ing or a main part of it.

[wind venture]

the HR fee is too fucking high man :.

[summer bloom]

full on custom multi classing should be an event imo would be fun

[limber verge]

multiclassing is fun, it's just too bad people will always find a meta and minmax the fun out of things.

[summer bloom]

yeah i think Ironwill Slayer rogue/barb/fighter is just basically finding a way to gain the most HP/most dmg/ most % dmg reduction . There are some crazy fun builds out there though

[cosmic lava]

blame the devs for making such a small selection of perks and abilities actually good

[sinful gull]

damn im gonna miss phantomize on ranger ...

[hard sierra]

See Mine and others msgs the past week in this channel. It seems like gear score is gone but idk..

[knotty nova]

this, its insane how many trash perks there are

[mint stirrup]

This tbh

[scenic hornet]

Ppl min max with or without MC

[rapid turtle]

@glad thunder Any plans to introduce an anti-cheat system or are legit players just intended to be victims of ESP cheating until further notice

[limber verge]

Any plans to be genuine or are you going to be bad faith for the sake of being bad faith.

[ivory cloud]

anybody got a fix for error 16 while launching the game?

[rapid turtle]

how do those boots taste

[limber verge]

how does being bitter about a videogame taste. I hope you get some real problems so you can grow up and stop being a child. Weird entitlement to ping the dev lmao.

[deep kayak]

zamn

[rapid turtle]

"Leather" is what you meant to say

[shadow bough]

Also gtfo outta here if you’re gonna flame like children go to general chat.

[limber verge]

how about this guy stops associating himself with this game if he doesnt like it lmao, like a normal person.

to clarify again, this is a videogame and you involving yourself with it is 1000% voluntary, if you don't like it what is wrong with you if you continue to subject yourself to it?

[slow compass]

its been great brother xx @lapis grove hmu anytime for another session

[rapid turtle]

bold of you to assume I don't like the game - maybe your peanut brain is incapable of understanding that someone could genuinely enjoy a game while hating certain aspects of it @limber verge enjoy the taste of leather

"how dare you ping a dev"

[limber verge]

"I dont like this! But I will keep playing this!!" okay

[rapid turtle]

LMAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOA

Manchild has to fully enjoy something without any critique in order to keep playing it

Ever heard of someone saying "Man this sandwhich is good, but it's missing something.."

[limber verge]

4 blocked messages.

[slow compass]

@lapis grove my stomach still hurts from lauging

[rapid turtle]

"My name is Vulgar and I personally insulted someone for having a controversial take"
"I then flexed the fact that I blocked this person by saying 4 blocked messages"
"Mmmmm leather is soo yummy"
@limber verge

[timid sky]

are common grade weapons unlocked at squire by completing the third or fourth tier set of weaponsmith quests?

[prime maple]

how do you get the red gates to open on the howling crypts level

[mental lily]

is gear based matchmaking here?

[pseudo lance]

yup

[true plume]

they'll open before the round ends

[prime maple]

is there a way to predict it tho or is it random

thats what im trying to figure out.

[scenic wren]

The red gates open when there's only 2:45 left in the game.

If you're talking about the static staircases with a gate in front. Portals are semi-random, but circle based.

[slow compass]

@lapis grove Good night then ❤️

[smoky coyote]

thank god there removing this cross class bullshit the game will finnally be playable again

[scenic wren]

It's been completely playable in duos and trios. Goblin caves has been a bit of a nightmare though

[eternal wedge]

for the "kill X class" quests, does it count if your team kills them?

or do i specifically have to kill

[mental lily]

i think u gota hit them once or smtn

[scenic wren]

For PVE it seems to be anyone in the team. For PVP it seems you have to get last hit on the player. Can anyone else confirm?

[deft vector]

ya more of the same shit being overpowered and no variety. big fun

[gritty flume]

Weird that warlord is still 5x the difficulty of the other bosses despite having been out forever

[formal moon]

warlod is the newest boss

[formal moon]

i finished mine on my bard and didn't get any kills. So idk

[stiff drift]

does the red text on the druid abilities mean those abilities aren't enabled yet? can't seem to utilize any of them,

[deep galleon]

I don't see why the Castillon and Stiletto have high damage bonuses on the final hit. Seems like they need to tone it down to like, 110%.

[vagrant furnace]

Yes red is not yet in game

[cosmic lava]

you have to kill

[indigo ginkgo]

How are the Disconnections coming? USA getting discoed?

[lyric lark]

why tf am i getting people in full legendary stuff while im in full grey

[crystal heron]

Is this game dead… or dying?

[fleet harbor]

no

ice shield or reactive shield

[jaunty topaz]

Players are abusing the gear score system to bring exacty 299 points worth of gear into the game to get matched against guys with low gear score since 0-299 is the range for "low" gear bracket
And for reference a legendary weapon is only worth about 56-120 points while legendary armor pieces are worth around 24-40 points

[devout dune]

Like 10k average players on weekdays and up to 20k on weekends

[elfin fern]

@wise raptor yo dude i thought you were bullying my teammate, but he told me you were gonna get offa him. sorry for the bm! if you want a gold key or whatever dm me man

[signal osprey]

SBMM>GBMM

[vapid arch]

SBMM is tested throughout the years through various different games and has always been bad, GBMM has failed in its current implementation but i feel is the best idea

[wise raptor]

Lmfao nah I’m cool that’s just how it goes some times 🤣 @elfin fern

[vapid arch]

a lobby perfectly balanced in skill means that any equal engagement is decided by gear
a lobby perfectly balanced in gear means that any equal engagement is decided by skill

[narrow pewter]

the whole point of buying gear is to be better equipped

[devout dune]

Sounds like the same thing for me

[lament crystal]

i like the 2nd choice

[vapid arch]

i think you might have dyslexia

[echo hedge]

In the past 2 months, they nerf cleric 3 mans yet?

[zinc tiger]

so what? they cant bring healing items like crazy so u can poke them to death

[jaunty topaz]

Don't need to bring meds if they 1-shot the timmies and take their meds

Also the gear score abusers do bring some meds and prots to the lobby, just not much

Again, they just track down and murder timmies to take their meds

[scenic hornet]

How is that abusing the system ?

[jaunty topaz]

It's all about intent

[scenic hornet]

U want the best gear so of course you bring 299 why not?

[jaunty topaz]

What were the developers intending with this gear score system?

[scenic hornet]

Gear balanced pvp?

[subtle folio]

it's unfortunate, but if we consider each possible variation of map, (solo, duo, trio / goblincave, icecave, crypts) (9 total), and double that for the high/low gearscore (18 total), from my testing the majority of those queues are empty lobbies, even on peak population regions. for low population regions, only a few have any players. as it stands, the current queue system will lead people to empty lobbies, and to quit the game

[scenic hornet]

What region? I play solo mostly but get full lobbies all the time

[jaunty topaz]

Players complain about gaps in gear power levels and wanted to fight players with similar gear power so the devs tried out a gear-based matchmaking system to try and see if it could relieve player frustrations but all it ended up doing was creating a meta where sweaty tryhards with legendary weapons can still match against John Doe who can only play a couple hours a day and wear basically rags

There's many, many issues with GBMM and I could rant about all day but even at the most basic level this system has failed at doing what it was intended to do

[scenic hornet]

I mean getting a 299 gear score aint that hard or expensive

[onyx flare]

So I interacted 3 times with treasure hoard and doesn't count any, what am i missing? (cyclops hoard/not my kill/didn't extract)

[eternal wedge]

do the "kill classes" quests count if i kill a teammate of that class?

[small marsh]

the only time I've ever had an empty lobby was at like 4am in a trio goblin caves lobby

[jaunty topaz]

-GBMM does little to actually balance gear gaps
-GBMM further splits up lobbies and queues when we don't have the player count to fill, you will often find dead lobbies
-GBMM denies some opportunities for pickpockets and low gear players from taking super strong gear from players that died in high gear
-Wearing super strong gear can feel pointless sometimes since you don't actually make notable improvements in strength when above 300 score (everyone else will be super juiced in that bracket)
GBMM is simply a failure from a conceptual and logistical standpoint and it needs to go for the health of the game

[subtle folio]

do u ever think u will find a full 300+ goblin caves trio lobby? 9 times out of 10 nobody is gonna be in there. how am I supposed to know that before I push the queue button?

[small marsh]

You obviously seem to know that already - without even really providing any evidence for it, even. So why ask this stupid rhetorical? It isn't even true, lol

[small marsh]

I don't know about you but I don't think GBMM is even running most of the time. I run bare minimum gear occasionally and get queued with people wearing orange/purple in every slot.

[subtle folio]

I've literally checked a lot of the queues to see how many people are in them, I think you should re read my original comment. Your experience of playing one of the popular variations at peak time on us east is not reflective of my argument

[small marsh]

So it's just like the old system! lol

[jaunty topaz]

Yeah it's really dumb

You can fit a surprising amount of purple gear within 299 score parameters

[small marsh]

Your observations of dog ass timezones is not reflective of the rest of the game

[subtle folio]

go queue into trios goblin caves on us east right now and tell me how many people are there

[small marsh]

Will do

[small marsh]

I got a full lobby.

Regardless - I think this rotation system, perhaps a bit slowed down, is the best system we've had that makes a compromise between what's fun and what the game needs.

If I ever have to play exclusively goblin caves again if my friends are busy I will literally just not play

[past crown]

it need to go

[elfin fern]

@wraith whale get shit on dude deserved

[scenic hornet]

Gbmm clearly balance gear wayyyyyyyyy better than it was before so its a massive W if that was the intent

Splitting lobbies can be an issue I agree just remove white lobbies then also lobbies aint dead you damn doomer

Pickpockets ? Wtf lmao next

You say ppl abuse the system and then wearing super strong gear is pointless what am I missing ? Doesnt make any sense

[jaunty topaz]

Reading comprehension can be hard sometimes, I know

[scenic hornet]

Lmao how about you explain yourself you just contradicted yourself dummy

[regal bough]

If you think GBMM doesn’t work or it doesn’t matter try using the excel format to calculate it for you. Everyone else is using it so might as well hop on the train.

Can get your gear to a perfect 299 every time.

I don’t believe it is a good system at all but it is better than always being matched with full purples/golds all the time.

[jaunty topaz]

You do still get matched with purples and golds tho

[shy rivet]

Nah bro come on it’s a good system it’s totally not broken and not working

[regal bough]

Yea I guess so but they can only run like 1-2 purples in the kit compared to the fully epic kit. If you’re in the sub 299 lobbies.

[spring veldt]

Is this cross class ability system permanent or is there any indication they might revert it

[scenic hornet]

Lol

[jaunty topaz]

It's totally intended for me to bring a legendary magic staff and 140 HP and max magic damage into the same lobby as Timmy Jones wearing squire gear! The system works like a charm ✨️

[scenic hornet]

Removed in a few days

[spring veldt]

Thanks!

[scenic hornet]

If ur on squire gear go on white lobby wtf are you on lol

[jaunty topaz]

Timmy is wearing squire gear
I bring Legendary bonk gear

Why are we able to match

[scenic hornet]

Ur not if timmy is in white lobby wtf lol

[jaunty topaz]

Delusional or just trolling, call it

[scenic hornet]

Do you even play the game ? Like do you know what is a white lobby lmfao

[jaunty topaz]

I'm talking about High Roller's "low gear" bracket

[scenic hornet]

But why would you go HR with squire gear and complain about gear lmao ppl that do that are just dumb af

[lyric lark]

yea i know that but i had a guy in my lobby with a leg longsword leg boots with everything else purple while im in grey shit i think that they just found a way to break it lmao idk but its getting annoying asf

[jaunty topaz]

Believe it or not some people are broke or aren't that good at the game

[scenic hornet]

Trios ?

[scenic hornet]

So stay in white lobbies is my point.... if ur broke or bad I mean its ok

[jaunty topaz]

White lobbies is trash for looting tho imo, HR much better

[scenic hornet]

Ofc yeah but get free gold in white then go HR 299 its ez to get gold in white lobbies

The only issue with gbmm I think is it considers the squad average and that can be abused that I would agree the rest is ok if they just change that imo

[lyric lark]

solos, duos, and trios

i think that GBMM is just broke or people find a way to break it

[scenic hornet]

maybe Idk never encountered any but I guess its possible who knows

[jaunty topaz]

Low gear gbmm people calc to bring legendaries against grey timmies and for High gear gbmm everyone is a sweatlord wearing uniques and you don't feel any stronger for wearing your good gear

Oh and not to mention you often find dead lobbies in high gear

Joke system, needs to go

Isn't it enough that the lobbies are already split by rank AND by Normal/HR lmao, we don't have the playerbase for this gbmm nonsense

ESPECIALLY when gbmm isn't even working as intended

[scenic hornet]

if ur grey in HR u deserve to die

wizard noob here.. do ice shield proc ice mastery ? XD

[jaunty topaz]

No

Right now only Ice Bolts trigger the effect of Ice Mastery

[scenic hornet]

ty

[willow trail]

anyone elses game just randomly freeze

[undone schooner]

whats the diff in magic power and magical damage bonus

[deft vector]

oh god reading through here I thought they were allowing legendary weapons in normals now my timmy heart skipped a beat

[jaunty topaz]

Last year that was true lol but now they did make normals only allow white gear

[deft vector]

ya that time was hell

[jaunty topaz]

I remember watching a jay video where he brought Fulgor into normals 💀

[deft vector]

I remember being in a lobby with a full purple barbarian and he was just full speed mowing down people with a warhammer

[marsh lark]

which quest unlocks white gear in squire?

[deft vector]

I would also like to know this

[velvet shard]

It is not rank based matchmaking atm

[vivid bay]

womp

did they say when or if its changing back to ranked

[sharp bluff]

PRICE CHECK ANYONE?
https://i.imgur.com/7WQCVn0.png

[turbid cedar]

When it gonna come to steam

[viral finch]

Hey, Ironmace. Why are ya'll sending me verification codes I literally cant type in because there is invalid characters? Fix your shit.

[elder mulch]

I just ran into a golden cape fighter with all purples in hr below 299, how cooked am i as a naked cleric, ranger, wiz

[brisk lava]

Deep fried

[lyric lark]

ong it does

[elder mulch]

update, we stuck him in 2 traps and an earthquake but he just got heals, he had 75% pdr and 50% mdr

[viral finch]

I wish. I can't even log in. Guess I'm just never playing again.XD

[elder mulch]

in below 299 gear cap 💀

[vapid arch]

just compare it to others on the market

[elder mulch]

Y'all I think the gearcap needs to be a little lower

Holdup I looked after death, his whole team is bissed the fk out wtf?!?

[scenic hornet]

What gearscore did ur crew had?

[zinc tiger]

yeah it should be 199 like some weeks ago

maybe split in 3. 0-99, 100-299, 300+. but i think people will still complain in the lower bracket because some guy went with a single purple weapon lol, people like to complain in this game idk why just git gud or bring gear

[jaunty topaz]

We used to have 3 different brackets but the problem is that the lobbies are always super dead

The middle one especially

[jagged cape]

ded gam

[hard sierra]

@marsh lark @deft vector doing 1 quest doesn't unlock all common gear, each quest chain with their respective gear vendor unlocks more and more tiers in squire.

@elder mulch you're not crazy, I've had legendary+purples and many meds in solo lobby when I'm <299 and even other people are straight naked.

[undone schooner]

just hit demigod for the first time

[polar talon]

this is the best map rotation system so far tbh. its compressed and if u want a specific map u just need to wait 6-9 min

[minor prairie]

so basically give named abilities on normal weapons and make legendarys broken? This seems worse than multiclass imo

[rocky void]

Anyone know why they got rid of ruined castle map?

[undone schooner]

is was made poorly

[polar talon]

reworking it right now

[worldly kite]

Sporting campeao caralho 💚💚💚

[elder mulch]

naked

[runic isle]

someone told me that this new Tavern.exe scans your whole pc and checks all files you have, also looks into your browsing history

Any one knows if that's true?
Is that why my bitdefender antivirus counts it as a threat?

[digital dock]

mite as well just assume nothing on your computer is secure, thanks NSA

[mortal frigate]

hey, anyone knows if the ruins will come back?

[polar talon]

never i heard that it was haunted. like u could clearly ear ghost voices in game

[river seal]

damn

[polar talon]

especially over 3h00 am

[mortal frigate]

shit, that seems true

[polar talon]

it is true what do u mean ?!?!

[acoustic geyser]

ya kaspersky says tavern.exe is a trojan and constantly bullies you about it. Some DLL and something with dvd access

[runic isle]

that's because tavern is scaning your whole pc files

[deft vector]

thats rather disgusting

[proven hamlet]

This game is brutal for new players. Too much Meta going on and players leveling alts for a new player to stand a chance in a fight. They need tutorial games for new accounts. I'm watching a new player video and it's torture for this guy. Combine that with a marketing push on Epic Games and i could see the player base pick up

[polar talon]

we want all trought this bro. its okay just accept u gonna die alot on your first 1000 hours

went *

[proven hamlet]

I know, i am not a new player. That's a terrible way to ease new players in, a lot of people give up early if they are getting stomped every game. We want the game to grow

[indigo ginkgo]

Getting harder to fill the basecamp....

[indigo ginkgo]

New Players need to learn the ropes in solo queue maps, so they have more time to practice vs. NPCs.
I agree with you that this game could use a solo campaign to finish quests and collect some gear.
It may come.

[formal moon]

Just delete MC and normals is good enough as is for new players

[carmine lodge]

they will get rid of multiclass and all the people who left will still think twice about coming back. sorry to say devs i used to be the biggest fan of your game but your destructive testing has burned the playerbase

i just played a few games and the game makes me feel... i dont know... whats the point

when multiclass is gone i hope it doesnt feel so pointless

i cant believe im such a doomer now

[polar talon]

i can understand why the playerbase is burned but, i would rather test crazy experimentations, for the future of the game now than later.

[formal moon]

Ya, devs fumble the bag in the dumbest ways

[formal moon]

Was the token system first implementation crazy or stupid

[proven hamlet]

The knowledge gained from the multi class data can be used in other ways to improve the game.

[carmine lodge]

yeah great, current playerbase is recyclable i suppose

bye bye line holders, hello people who play for two weeks and drop it

[polar talon]

i will probably be the last one playing this game

[proven hamlet]

You think everyone will leave when MC is gone?

[polar talon]

no people will comeback

[carmine lodge]

no i dont think that. i think there is a sizable group of people who were burned by destructive 'testing' putting multiclassing in when many could see how hard it would fail. and 'gathering test data' while turning away a large portion of players is not a nice thing to do to a loyal fanbase

but i, personally, am anticipating coming back after multiclassing is gone, just to play a few games and think... did i really miss it enough? and then just stop playing. when you burn your playerbase, some people who quit wont be able to come back. it just wont feel the same

[earnest fiber]

anyone know why ruins hasn't been in rotation for a while?

[proven hamlet]

That's early access man, I didn't play much when the loot was reduced to nothing, i came back. What's the big deal?

[carmine lodge]

when multiclassing is gone, GBMM and creep will still be in the game. enough said

"that's early access" is not an excuse for developers making decisions which destroy the spirit of their game

and my opinion is that gathering test data, in a test that most of the players knew would be imbalanced and chaotic before it was even implemented.... the data they collected was flawed because the systems that were tested were flawed as well.

all they did was identify the most broken, obviously busted perks and skills. which they could have identified without pushing multiclassing to live servers

anywys, my opinion doesnt matter, im just one person. but i feel personally that even after multiclassing is gone, my love for the game has been affected

[proven hamlet]

It is literally The excuse. You're here to test stuff, sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad.

[fervent prawn]

Real. GBMM is literally just norms/HR don’t know why they added another GBMM.

[carmine lodge]

it is not a given. you do not have to test things which are known to be destructive. if you HAVE to test them. leave it on the test server. "early access" is not an excuse for that degree of destroying the spirit of your game. when people who have been playing the game non stop since release, decide to stop playing... you know its bad

streamers who are 100% dark and darker streamers, many were saying "this is not the game i've been playing since the playtests". they absolutely do not have to do that degree of testing on live servers

"its early access" imagine if they removed friendly fire damage.... that is not a test that is worth doing. it would greatly affect the spirit of the game. they dont have to test things that are so obviously counter to the spirit of the game

imagine if they removed bosses and all pvp. my point is the degree of what deserves being tested is not multiclassing or creep... or even gbmm. stupid tests

[lusty panther]

Yeah they need to just yeet that system and squish the gear discrepancy a bit

[fervent prawn]

Yup. Plus, GBMM isn’t needed at all if the devs would just add more to the skill ceiling. In a game where skill mechanical ultimately matters more than the gear, you literally do not need a system like this.

[carmine lodge]

gbmm is even more cheesable than ranked based matchmaking

i know they said they are going to remove gbmm and test another matchmaking system.. hopefully its better

but idk... my feeling right now is, once you make someone walk away from the game, how many of those people are not going to come back

i used to play a ridiculous amount. now i want to play, i load up the game, do one or two matches, and quit, and then feel sad like i wish i had a fun game to play.

[lusty panther]

The new system should be if you play ranked, You play against other ranked people that’s it. Maybe you get a juiced squad maybe you get Timmies . The randomness is attractive and the chance of a huge come up if a team gets lucky on a third party. Less queues is better for the game

[fervent prawn]

Wait where did IM say they were removing GBMM?

[carmine lodge]

if that's how your limited playerbase feels about the game... thats not a good thing, at all.. in a multiplayer game, a healthy playerbase that loves the game and looks to it as a consistent source of fun, that is 100% the most important thing. systems / cool features, whatever. if you dont have a healthy playerbase you got literally nothing. once lobbies are empty its joever

Unfortunately, based on our current matchmaking data we realized that splitting the player pools for the solo matchmaking would be unsustainable due to player flow at off-peak times, even in high population regions. Our goal is to get players into good quality matches in a quick manner while offering map variety, and this has led us to consider a complete overhaul of the matchmaking system which we will share with you soon.
dev notes

#📢announcements message 4th paragraph

[fervent prawn]

Oh they were referring to GBMM as splitting the pools?

[carmine lodge]

"complete overheal of the matchmaking system which we will share with you soon"

personally here is what i think would be the best matchmaking system for this game:

you extract, you gain 1 extraction point. you dont extract nothing happens.
within a 24 or 48 hour period, a threshold is set, say 15+ extractions in a 24 hour period puts you in the second tier of matchmaking.

if you are a player that struggles to escape, you will be in the lower tier. if you play a lot, even if you die half the time, you will be in the higher tier if you extract more than 15 times in a rolling 24 hour window. if that matchmaking is not inclusive enough to capture the right split, maybe its 25 extracts per 48 hour window.. etc.

this way, we have a matchmaking system which hinges on the core component of the game, getting out of the dungeon.
you do not lose points for dying, so people can't cheese it. people are motivated to go in and get out. if you get out enough, you deserve to be in the higher tier, so you are not stomping new players. if you dont get out enough you deserve to be in the lower tier, so that you are not facing sweaty 16 hour a day gamers.

[undone belfry]

how about you fuck heads address the cheating problem.

go into HR with legendaries and watch the bot rush your room immediately and aimbot you

[deft vector]

don't worry bro thats why we have tavern now. it will totally sweep away the cheaters

[maiden bough]

i love bards running around with 300+ ms just spamming din of darkness.... really fun counter play if youre say a cleric... cant run away and cant catch them. bards should not be able to maintain such high ms while playing din of darkness.

[undone belfry]

yeah im about done with the game after this, you can spectate these people and see their movement and game sense is garbage but yet they hit every shot on you. just a waste of time, let them destroy the game and fuck the devs since they dont want to address it

[limber verge]

Do you really think that you saying this will change anything.

"they don't want to address it" okay man...

[candid kite]

DaD won't launch. I see bs open tavern and then tavern closes and the button goes back to 'Play'. I've disabled A/V F/W for testing. No luck

[proven hamlet]

Do a scan and repair?

[undone belfry]

90% of the leaderboard are cheaters.... across all games its a money game dude. they make money they don't care as long as the pop is there. enjoy getting farmed, because I'm done.

[candid kite]

Yea tried that. This is a new rig.

[sharp bluff]

if im going for loot items like wendigo sharp claws that are green, would it mean i should prio lower luck to maximize that or no

[hybrid mist]

skeleton archers aim for teh chest/legs on the second shot right?

[wary anchor]

remove the fucking bow from the game its fucking pointless bringing a knife to a gun fight

[covert shale]

I am lvl 123 on fighter/ Trying to get barb leveled up for the dual class. what should I go for and what lvl barb do I need?

[gusty kindle]

imagine a map or parts of a map in which the darkness is taken to the max lvl. there arent many wall torches, so you basically have to hold one in hand if you want to see anything. this map could be like an underground setting, with a bunch of tunnels, there could be some big scary mobs waiting in the dark, and of course, other players, specially pickpocket rogues. dad rly should have a harcore total darkness map/mode

[wheat saddle]

Lvl 30, multiclassing is ending soon though, I wouldn't invest into it too much unless you just want to try it for a bit. I'd say get robust and iron will for sure.

[tardy sandal]

Robust, iron will, and savage roar

[merry nest]

literally just got a norms solo lobby with 1 other person, game officially dead?

[static rapids]

its 1 am on a sunday, people have work or school in the morning lol

[outer ridge]

slayer and axe mastery

[narrow pewter]

game keeps lagging, crashing, error code 21

[narrow pewter]

dont multi class theres only a few days left its pointless

[scenic wren]

Not true. It's only here for a few more days, enjoy it while you can. Go make a bonk lock and an axe slayer. Be a hooligan until it gets taken away this week

[gloomy halo]

Its fantastic that its not staying. Might actually come back to the game. Super choice devs. Appreciating it.

[small marsh]

Do people really have an issue with Creep?

[uneven nebula]

Yo wen is wipe? i didnt see the noti and i cant seem to find it ( i am dumb irl )

[small marsh]

No wipe announced as of yet, but expect within the next two months

[scenic wren]

I think so. I think people just like to complain about getting jumped (kinda why they hate rogues, despite dozens of nerfs). Most people that hate it are the gigachad stat-check buff ball machines that like a straight up confrontation.

[turbid shoal]

I like roques gameplay and even to play against them. if your team reacts well then you can a lot of the time kill the roque before he kills 1 of your teammembers. roque 100% should be able to do a lot of dmg if he gets the jump on you its the entire idea behind a roque

[scenic wren]

Oh, I'm just relaying what I've heard people complain about. I've played a lot of rogue in the past and it's a fun play style. I think people that complain are just the kinda people that panic and fumble weapons when they get jump-scared by the rogue. A lot of the time a barb or fighter will just turn and one shot you with your measly 114hp and little pdr.

[turbid shoal]

100%. i would like to have roque be buffed in more teamplay oriented ways with some abilities cause currently he is prob the weakest class to have on your team and 1 of the strongest solo classes. it would be nice to see him bring more utility then opening the closed chests

[scenic wren]

I think it's pretty weak in solos too. I think they're great at ganking an enemy's backline, like their wizard or cleric, and then dying immediately after. The poison can also be good for pressure and denying/mitigating heals.

I think if they nerfed poison weapons damage, and instead gave it a healing debuff, it would be way better for team fights

[turbid shoal]

Thats fair approach. i think roque did get nerfed way too much. i feel like everytime they nerf roque and just put it away in a perk. like with the invis perk or the handcrossbow

[maiden nymph]

if rogues were not landmining all game long and basically killing people without even having chance to react is probably what caused it nerfed. So rogues made it themselves with such a rat boring playstyle

[scenic wren]

Yeah. The invis duration nerf, afterimage and the movement ripple I think kinda make hide borderline useless because you need 3 perks to do anything with it. I'm fine with Hide nerfs, they should just wrap the 10 steps, and creep into the skill.

Here he comes. The whiner®

[turbid shoal]

Have you ever played roque in any other game? its an assasin like character. its meant to rat boring is subjective and is no argument just a inrelevant opinion with 0 arguments backing it up. A roque is meant to play smart/sneaky to get the jump on someone to take them out and in a headon should loes 90% of the fights. i cant help you dont like that playstyle but i absolutely loved baiting ppl into me by letting my friends retreat and things like that. the invis time decrease also affected that. at this point roque is good for nothing and they should adress that

[static rapids]

yeah player base went up about 4k when multiclass dropped, cant wait to go back to 6k in dungeon and lobby total!!

[maiden nymph]

as long as ttk is too short then i have nothing to argue with you

[turbid shoal]

Ty for being honest that i wont have any chance of changing your opinion i respect that. I hope you have a good day

[jaunty topaz]

Wow man I tried queueing for Ice Caves but right when I clicked ready it changed to Crypts and forced me into crypts when I didn't wanna go to Crypts, waste of my time

[gray lagoon]

crybaby ass lmao

[small marsh]

But what's your point?

It's okay if you don't have one, it's just odd to say "I didn't look at the timer on the map switch" without anything to really add to it

[jaunty topaz]

It is annoying how the exact seconds arent shown during the last minute before rotation

[small marsh]

I'm sure there's some sort of deliberate reason for it. It's a niche problem to have. At least crypts is fairly easy to get out of.

[cinder mountain]

I would take crypts over ice cavern any day of the week

[sinful gull]

It would do that for any major balance shift or content patch. MC in this manner was terrible for new players, but i will miss the shit out of it if they are not gonna bring it back for end of wipe events or so.

[static rapids]

they nee to rework it for sure, but I don't think they should just pull it when they've gotten a cinsistnet 4k more people playing because of it. Keep it in at this point until wipe. they've already fucked everytone over with the grinding shit they made everyone do for this and now its literally for nothing lol

drop the amount of points you get for it, make it cost more to mind wipe and fuck with the stats a bit

[sinful gull]

yeah I agree though, we are in this.. why stop now. Just drop some patches adjust it on the fly until end of wipe. We really just had 1 week of testing it properly.

[static rapids]

right, I'd rather play this out and then skip a wipe of mc so they can fine tune it, seems counter productive to jsut toss it all together right now

[frosty thunder]

hey how much does coin chest cost?

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

lmfao right, of all the classes with MC rogue is the one that's ridiciulous right now LOL

[woeful plume]

People tend to believe that the class that kills them the most, equals an OP and ridiculous class. lol

[lucid kayak]

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[turbid shoal]

The fact that you resort to namecalling shows that you are not worth having a discussion with. have a nice day buddy.

[turbid shoal]

This happens quite often in pvp games. blaming the class is easier then accepting that you fked up and need to improve

[lucid kayak]

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[turbid shoal]

Why would you have an argument as useless as your mc build?? mc is being removed that so called op build of roque is not even relevant anymore.

[lucid kayak]

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[stuck patrol]

fix match making system please, blue vs unic/legend every time bruh

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

rogues have about 84 base health, if you can't hit them twice before they hit you 5 times you are just bad at the game.

[turbid shoal]

for your lovely knowledge i main fighter/ranger/warlock/wiz i dont even play rogue. so thats a lovely incorrect assumption youre making

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

and if they ahve to take perks pertaining to sustain then they lose all the damage they could be doing minus wepaon and armor rolls

wow so you get a rogue with 100 health in HR,crazy crazy!!! you clearly have a skill issue in the game, it's not the characters

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

none of my boys have issues with rogues unless it's a 3rd party, you're crying to cry

once agian you take everything for sustain and you lose all your damage lmfao you just are not good at this game

[lucid kayak]

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[subtle heart]

feels bad. Invisibility potion doesn't give you ambush anymore

[lucid kayak]

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[subtle heart]

I spent 2000 g to get knowledge for my barb just to find out it doesnt work with ambush

[static rapids]

you've been lying this entire convo acting as if rogue is the most busted of with MC so you wouldn't stop now

[subtle heart]

3000 if you count class rerolls

[turbid shoal]

Feels bad :(

[lucid kayak]

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[turbid shoal]

stop pretending like mc is relevant. they are removing it. its basically complaining about something being op when it is already being removed in a few days.

[subtle heart]

imo multiclass is great for grinds and for fun. It makes the game more fun but obviously there are broken builds. But at some point you play the game to have fun and try wacky things. If anything most broken build is Bard if you just buff everything then get sprint and damage modifiers

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

nice so you ponted out one single person who lioterally plays this game for a living, really proves your point LOL you are the only dude crying about rogues with MC homie, sounds like you need to get better

yeah put down the fent brother

[turbid shoal]

look at the roles he/she has. its only wizard this explains enough. prob a wizard main that has never heard of having teammates cover for you etc, its basically crying about being countered by another class.

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

name another player doing it then

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

I'd cry foul about everything if I played wiz as my main too