game-discussion

[delicate minnow]

Yeah it is kind of crazy and killing my drive for the game. There is no rhyme or reason for when the game wants to decide to not stutter. They even acknowledged it in annoucements.

[dusk dove]

so whats up with goblin caves and the mountains being locked?

[deft vector]

I like how the launcher sometimes takes a full minute to pop up and I have to stare at a logo the whole time blocking every other windowq

[dusk dove]

like its been a hella kinute since Ive played

[fiery mural]

all maps should be back in 2 days, it was just crypts only for this pre season week i think they're doing changes to the other maps.

[analog summit]

people really be complaining about everything these days

[lunar mesa]

dummies not registering and offering accurate hit numbers?

[velvet shard]

Yeah sometimes they don’t register but some in game like not the lobby have armor ratings pretty high

[surreal rapids]

so we're capping throwing axes and nerfing movement speed all around on wipe patch right?

[cursive aurora]

Someone buy my cinder its bis

[brisk lava]

theres literally a timer in game that tells you

[trim crystal]

Wipe the game already.....

[daring wedge]

How long does the client say till wipe?

[vernal trench]

🙏🙏🙏

[daring wedge]

Dont be silly we are nerfing rogue till even greyson himself cant pve with a castillon

[subtle heart]

cant wait for wipe

[karmic topaz]

a swamp map would be badass

[terse dust]

dude barbarians are dumb in normals. ranger shot me with tripple shot, then shotgun thing then stabbed me with a spear twice and i still killed him in 2 hits, i never healed even

[dense forum]

Why did they change the wipe countdown timer to say season timer instead?

[dense forum]

Devs really fucked balance by introducing all these stats that make classes scale so unevenly.

[agile frost]

idk about u guys but for me its not the class balance or lack of content that makes this game boring but the combat system as a whole seems unsatysfying at all and needs complete rework imho

[hollow thistle]

True, shielding and parrying feels a bit off, sometimes ur enemies attacks go completely trough them

[surreal rapids]

Even after all the add damage nerfs and gear changes, it's still a 3 second TTK for decently geared players in all scenarios, unless you're wizard, the "best" solo class in the game. In that case all you have to do is space properly, hit every skill shot, pick the right spell in the right scenario, dodge melee swings, dodge arrows and then you kill everyone

[terse dust]

i laughed so hard i woke my son up

[surreal rapids]

Ie: there's little skill involved for most classes. It's survive, buy good gear, use it to kill people in 2 seconds.

[long rain]

Game’s Combat has as much depth as Morrowind or Minecraft. Obviously a revamp would be great, but how about instead we get 6 new classes, 6 new maps and 6 new rogue nerfs.

[wicked nest]

Rogue I don't feel like is op I got kills with him and I've been killed by him I don't get why people hate him

[long rain]

People died to a rogue 3 updates ago and now live rent free in their walls

[wicked nest]

Lol I got one guy who was healing stabbed him like 6 times and he still killed me he still had another 2 hits in him

Killed me in like 2 hits

[pseudo plover]

WHEN IS WIPEEEE

[wicked nest]

When yall stop asking for a day 😆

[twin magnet]

Whys the iceshield AR 20 forced to have a cooldown

[surreal rapids]

because sdf and graysun have girlfriends that are turned on by men that shout loudly, take steroids and have the ability to throw axes. Their significant others also like men that can run really fast and have regenerative cells

[wicked nest]

Anyone know where I can look to see what all the little icons above your health mean so I know what buffs and debunks I bave

[wicked nest]

Also are all red spells curses for warlock or is it only the ones that say curse

[hybrid mist]

no cd was way to poeerful and it was a means to i directly nerf bonk wizard

[sullen vessel]

Does savage roar from barb not work anymore on dogs in inferno? They just ignore it....

[vestal silo]

When is the new wipe/season starting?

[young mulch]

Should be wednesday if they don't delay it

[sweet nymph]

what quest do i need to do so i can craft gold coin bag next wipe

[rigid palm]

is there any fucking way to ban teamers if i have video proof?????????

[tranquil talon]

Dm @cerulean delta with evidence they'll get banned

[gilded prairie]

From my experience; I think it depends on the type of dogs. It seemed like it worked on normals ones for me; but not elites.

I could be entirely wrong though

[sullen fossil]

can someone explain why theres a leaver penalty for leaving a lobby???

[cursive shuttle]

How many more days until wipe?

[cosmic saffron]

To stop players from scouting lobbies on a throwaway character to either snipe gold teams or avoid certain players

[cosmic saffron]

Wipe will be around 5pm est on Wednesday this week

[woeful plume]

I would rather they just do away with the entire basecamp situation. There is no need for it. It's a waste of programming, you should go from your personal lobby, right into the dungeon.

[sullen fossil]

fair enough

[gilded prairie]

I feel like a big reason why fighter is so strong right now is just the sound design.

By the time you hear them come up to you; they're close enough to pop sprint and just W key.

Was standing completely still and didn't hear any footsteps until he was close enough to sprint.

[cosmic saffron]

Their thought process was that basecamp was a location where you could scout out other teams pre lobby in order to get extra information. I don’t think that’s a bad thing they just need to do away with the inspection

[ebon stag]

I think audio is bugged honestly. I have had multiple barbs come up on me making no sound. I'm not deaf and I am always listening for footsteps. Usually I would hear them, but recently people are literally in melee range before I hear a sound.

I think it is crypts audio. Never happened outside of crypts.

[ebon palm]

I have a feeling there's a sound queue and footsteps aren't high on it

even though they absolutely should be, same level as call of duty footsteps

[digital dock]

I want to be able to throw my main slot weapon at an enemy just like when you throw a torch, im not asking for a lot of damage...maybe just scale it based on weight of the weapon you throw (2h maul hits harder, cant throw as far/1h mace light damage goes further). Risk reward of being able to get that final kill shot on retreating opponent + losing your weapon momentarily.

[ebon palm]

lmao imagine you missclick and throw your Named weapon at someone and they pick it up

[digital dock]

Exactly! or the person is ready for it and does a quick turn to catch it, new dynamic gameplay.

[limber atlas]

poison swamp map

[pallid notch]

I think audio in general needs an overhaul, not just footsteps. Should never be a reason I dont hear a door open in the module im in

[gilded prairie]

I just want the monk class to come out.

Lemme beat people with my fists

[ebon palm]

but you'll have the right to bear arms in a little while

bear fists>monk fists

[digital dock]

Does anyone know if its possible to catch an arrow/bolt out of the air before it hits the target? Franny axe ect...

[pallid notch]

No

[gilded prairie]

They need to have collision with something before they're able to be picked up

You CAN however parry them. My buddy parried a franny the other day and it was insane

[ebon palm]

I don't believe the interaction is possible, best you can do is block it with a longsword

[digital dock]

Im adding that to my wishlist then. Parrying franny axe is awesome though

[gilded prairie]

That'd be way too cheesy. I can see people making a hotkey that spams F so they can just toggle it when they're getting shot at

[digital dock]

Now yall got me wondering if its possible to hit an arrow with another arrow or out of midair with a weapon swing, those things have the collision needed correct? We know you can stack arrows end to end, i have had the happen and i shot a pot 4 times not realizing they were all stacked.

[gilded prairie]

A weapon swing doesn't have the same kind of collision that a block does; so I don't think it would. You can swing two weapons together and they would phase through eachother instead of collide. I have not tested it though

[mortal ledge]

what the hell happened to this game. barely any players, crypts is not the default map anymore and always 1 op class

[ebon palm]

the consequences of terrible patch after terrible patch

[sweet nymph]

my boy its 2 days before wipe

game will be back to normal after wipe

[mortal ledge]

so sad, i was so exited to play with ma boys and then few months and its went in the crapper

[sweet nymph]

nah the game will be poppin again in 2 days when season 1 starts

[gilded prairie]

Been complaining about portal spawns for a year and a half and they're still brutal... Shouldn't have 6 different portals in one room

[west junco]

I'm betting the number doesn't go above 15k, but I hope I'm wrong.

[reef island]

Cleric?

[gilded prairie]

Cleric and Monk are not even close to the same

[reef island]

Smite qstaff cleric

[sweet nymph]

me too

[gilded prairie]

That's not a monk. That's a cleric with a quarterstaff.

[reef island]

Monk

[wicked nest]

I have officially realized how useless pickpocket is

I thought I'd have access to their inventory it's just a random steal that's so stupid

[delicate minnow]

Wanted to share a potential fix for the input lag / desync I've been getting...just reload the game. I had tried everything from updating my drivers, changing settings and even scan & repair option. The only thing that worked was a simple reload and I had read that it stems from you loading into a fresh aspect of the server. Just wanted to share this fix with anyone!

[plain bobcat]

so how do I allow for lobby game chat or is that just not possible

[gilded prairie]

Lobby game chat is disabled for everyone. Not possible right now

[hasty gazelle]

I’ll try this

[pulsar hound]

i just lost like a 500 gold kit i put on to skeletons because i spawned on the furthest place from the circle and couldnt fight through the horde fast enough

i fucking hate solo HR

takes two years to kill pve unless you bring a god kit

[gilded prairie]

I was gonna comment saying how I clear through mobs base kit fast enough; but with the CIRCLE being the way it is; you're definitely right.

If you get a shit spawn, it's just sprinting through room, after room, after room, trying to chase zone.

[pulsar hound]

yep, and fighting a PACK of mobs in HR where they are all stupidly fast, is near impossible to live through without a team

youre ONLY chance is to try and get to a door fast enough

circle is already fucky enough but i was it was closing and i couldnt even see the circle, meanwhile 20 skeletons on me that would take probably 5-6 minutes to kill all of them

[fading plinth]

Circle encompasses entire map after the latest patch, if you're getting caught in the zone, even with full grey's, you aren't clearing well enough

The only class that I'd say struggles with clearing in greys would be wizard, but ignite can help with that a lot.

[gilded prairie]

It was better when zone didn't encompass the ENTIRE map. It will SEEM like you're in zone; only to get one or two closes that completely send you to the other side.

It's much more than just not clearing well. It'll go from one side of the map to the other with two closes; when previously you'd at least see that it was going to land far away

[unreal wren]

wipe day when?

[pulsar hound]

just had probably one of the luckiest HR runs ive ever had in my life, went in with mostly green shit and a purple falchion and got out with a little over 300 gold and another purple falchion

[cosmic saffron]

Gamer

[pulsar hound]

pure luck i found a room that some chad rouge just opened half the chests and left like 150 gold worth of blues

[fiery mural]

now spend 150gold on a luck pot and get double profits

[indigo edge]

probably cause lobbies r dead, mobs ai get frozen, and no golden bois left. everyone is waiting for the wipe that is not gonna happen for another week of "testing"

[pulsar hound]

i dont like high roller its just so stressful knowing EVERY SINGLE ENEMY is going to have full unique, legendary, purple gear, every time

[pulsar hound]

honestly i like playing the game when its not a bunch of ultragear lords that are impossible to win against without some crazy advantage

but thats ALL that HR is, ive never seen anyone playing at my level in HR

it makes no sense like HR is free why isnt there baby rouges just sneaking around n shit

[indigo edge]

well you cant play this game unless you have a team full of people who know mob mechanics , attack patterns, and on discord with a mic lol... too many other golden boi teams to compete against you are already at a huge disenvatage if you play any other way

[pallid notch]

Except they dont

[pulsar hound]

thats what i mean, theres no seperation between the noobs and the chads besides solo/trio queue, which just makes it a 1vsgod instead of 1vsgod times 3

[pulsar hound]

they do, ive never seen a single green on anyone in my lobbies that ive looked at, meanwhile i am almost always wearing at least blue and green stuff maybe a few purples

ive never even seen a cloak but EVERY enemy has some crazy one

i think there needs to be like a midtier queue where max gear is purple or blue

seeing a unique in every single game gets tiring

[limber atlas]

when exactly is wipe

[fiery mural]

they have an EXACT timer ingame . not sure because i dont have it launched right now

[fiery mural]

what server do you play on? i rarely see fully kitted people on OCE i see full gold armor maybe 1/5 or 10 games

[pulsar hound]

west NA oregon servers, so id guess thats a big part of it youre probably right

i see uniques every 1-2 games minimum, with full purple/legendary 100% of the time pretty much

i think i could count how many blues ive seen on my hands, and they were just rings or necklaces

its why i rarely play HR

[fiery mural]

yeah danm i would hate being in full lobbys of kitted people

[fiery mural]

i play with a guy from NA east & when we que together he readys up on NA east and then i swap it to OCE servers and ready up to que and he says he gets 0 lag playing a ranger, perhaps you could try this ?

[pulsar hound]

yeah i tend to not lag much on oce servers, but i feel weird switching servers to play with lower level queues bc it feels kinda cheaty to me, ill defo try it tho

[grave sundial]

did the servers wipe yet?

[terse dust]

no

[brittle barn]

Anyone know if life drain has different scaling for additional/true magic?

[barren ingot]

Putting in bets now that wipe will be delayed

[shadow raft]

dang whats playercount at nowadays? discord looks empty df

havent looked in on this waste of potential in months

[barren ingot]

Wipe about to happen so no one playing nor talking

[shadow raft]

game went to trash a few months ago, thats when everyone quit, but fans gonna cope

whats the meta right now? still barbarian buffball?

Or did they never nerf the clerics and fighters like they were supposed to? XD archers still one shotting? mages still feel garbage to play?

[thorn plank]

Every character is pretty usable right now, rogue is the weakest

[shadow raft]

did we ever get the new classes? XD

[thorn plank]

Druid supposed to come out next season

[formal moon]

Rogue is usable like a BMW. Needs costly parts and services

[ebon palm]

BMW reliance(aka awful) at a Bugatti Veyron oil change price

[formal moon]

[red cipher]

[fleet merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1216783897304764561

[patent rampart]

when is wipe SUPPOSEDLY happening

[ebon palm]

leaderboard ends in 2 days 7 hours 5 minutes

[gilded prairie]

Quick thought

What if the Slayer perk reduced the sprint speed.

Instead of +50 it's +20.

Either that or make it have limited uses like second wind. 3 uses and you need to campfire.

+50 move speed with a low cool down and infinite use just feels a little busted these days

[sturdy mauve]

havent played in a long time just reinstalled anyone wanna explain why I cant go goblin cave or the new map?

[warm tendon]

We are in a limbo state, between seasons and they temporarily disabled the other maps. As to why I'm not 100% sure, I believe it's because they are testing some things and probably to keep the queues somewhat short.

[sturdy mauve]

ahhh

[indigo cape]

compared to what? warlocks infinite use phantom form which they can use to gain distance and kill you in 3 casts.

[gilded prairie]

To be honest I don't feel like almost any class should have infinite use on skills. It can really easily be abused and reduces a lot of the strategy around fights

[ivory cedar]

Comparing rogues to BMW’s is a massive insult to BMW

[gilded minnow]

Yoooooo developers! Lets get the goblin caves back im bored as hell

[stable urchin]

i feel like there should be a difference between abilities, and skills. By putting them under the same umbrella, i feel that abilities, which shouldnt have a cooldown, influenced skills which should have a max number of uses

[floral dawn]

When is wipe

[ebon palm]

after you shit

[floral dawn]

Original.

[barren ingot]

55 hours roughly

[floral dawn]

Thanks

[inner sundial]

Pls stop posting pregnat emojis

[ebon palm]

sorry after seeing people ask every 15-30 minutes I have to get creative with the response sometimes

[subtle heart]

have people had any luck with the lfg or is this too competitive and do people just team kill?

[fiery mural]

the audacity for people to ask when theres been a sticky post with the time & date and there's a timer ingame infuriating tbh they should be auto banned

[frank crown]

i've has varying luck and no team killing

[ebon palm]

I understand some of them haven't updated or logged into the game in quite some time though but yeah the majority of them are just lazy-asses

[muted verge]

Why some of us have been waiting a month plus several weeks for this wipe. We're not opening the game until wipe.

[rancid moon]

ruins > crypts

crypts = camping, teams hiding until the last 30 seconds to have a fight, boring tight hallways that get held, bis teams always at a stand still cause no one willing to push, you try pushs a doorway cause youre BORED out of your mind and then u die by cringe gamer sitting back

BRING BACK RUINS IT IS THE BEST MAP HANDS DOWN

ALSO - PLEASE DONT RUIN RUINS WHEN IT COMES BACK I BEG

[fiery mural]

ok ? use some initiative and Google it. Look at sticky or launch the game and check ?

[muted verge]

That channel you're in is literally called game discussion. Just don't reply to ppl who ask. I would have never know there was a clock in game. This game is so dead I wouldn't google search either. I would just use discord as it's intended use. It's not that deep man.

[tulip ridge]

What if hes at work and thinking about it and cant check. Help a brotha out

[fiery mural]

Q-A is not a wipe timer update service

[tulip ridge]

But… it can be

[muted verge]

Guy must be on the spectrum I will just mute lol.

[muted verge]

Bro I'm worried about the same thing. Ruins is the best map by far.

[tulip ridge]

Hopefully they make it bigger, 6x6 maybe with more players? Thats my dream

[muted verge]

Yea some of the spawns were a bit close and I wouldn't mind if more space was created. I just love how open the map is because like the other guy said. Those doorways and tight hallways fights are just boring.

[formal moon]

Lol, ruins was the most rushed map

[heavy yarrow]

THIS

Ruins is goated

[rancid moon]

i know man, it was already scary when they started blocking jump up spots.. i can understand some areas needing to be blocked if they dont want people rushing spawns but some of them just werent thought out AT ALL.. like bottom right of the map.. that jump up was so fun and allowed for outplays but NO they remove it, its like they dont know what fun is sometimes

[formal moon]

Ruins is really good for ranged classes and kinda mid for everyone else

[rancid moon]

yessir

[mental sierra]

what exactly is going to be wiped?

[heavy yarrow]

Playing crypts is painful. Just door camping and people never clear mobs

[formal moon]

Everything, but character/name

[mental sierra]

so level inventory etc?

[formal moon]

That's because no one is really playing the game anymore

[muted verge]

Yep I think they should just make ruins have it's on version of hell/inferno. I hate going down to crypts just let me live in ruins lol.

[warm tendon]

Your character will be reset to level 0, all ranks, quests and stashes will be wiped. Everyone will start fresh again.

[rancid moon]

i know hahaha, they are OBSESSED with 3 layers! NO ONE WANTS THAT

[warm tendon]

I really like the layered design, tho for me, Nightmare is a bit on the difficult side. I often find myself spawning between 2 berserkers a wraith and a couple skeleton archers which I rarely survive.

[muted verge]

Sadly thats where the pve only ppl exist and there's a lot of them. I read about that cringe stuff on reddit. Players like the 3 layers so they can avoid pvp. It makes me sad.

[heavy yarrow]

True asf

[rancid moon]

yeah that is really cringe, they could just make a separate mode that is more for pve.. ice map is perfect for that, they need to give people exactly what they want and not try fit it all into 1 map/mode

[warm tendon]

I'm mostly a PvE player but I absolutely do not want to play a PvE only version of DaD, having hostile players in the game is what keeps things exciting.

[rancid moon]

you like what you like, i just dont think it its good the way it is right now. player base numbers prove that something is very wrong

[rancid moon]

i know i never said pve only map, ice map would be best for people that wanna pve with some pvp

[muted verge]

Yeah then comes the next problem. They're spliting the player base up so much. Like there's 3 maps and arena now. They need to get the game ready for steam release so we don't have dead lobbies and have to add in rotation. Honestly I hate rotation. I think they should just increase wait times until x amount of lobby is filled then game starts. To give us something to do let us play with the market while in lobby.

[rancid moon]

100% bro, id rather wait 10 minutes for a full lobby than 3 minutes for 1 freaking team

[wooden thunder]

Let us PvP while in lobby and just reset our spells when we load in

[muted verge]

Arena lobby!!

[wooden thunder]

Team deathmatch while we wait for lobby to fill

[muted verge]

The lobby could give us all sorts of things to do while we wait. Idk why they haven't tried that

[wooden thunder]

Give us a corridor with different bosses in different rooms so we can practice while we wait

[muted verge]

well i jsut thought of one negative about longer wait time lobbies. I think it would make teaming easier by allowing players to get into the same lobbies. That could be fixed though

[wooden thunder]

Until they get more players I think they need to reduce restrictions a bit on how they form lobbies. Right now split by rank should go away. Just lump everyone into the same. Demi-Gods vs Neophytes. Fill it instantly

[warm tendon]

Question, how do you fight a skele champ on a barbarian? I'm not a barb player was just messing around a bit but keep getting killed by the champs. Any ideas?

[wooden thunder]

Bait his attacks, he'll either do a 2 swing or 3 swing, you can tell by the animations after a while. Back up while he does it and time your swing to happen right as he's finishing his last attack

[muted verge]

you need to pull him into a cleared room as well. You need space for sure

[wooden thunder]

Actually, Barb can use shields now right? If you can use a Buckler then it's really simple. Agreed on needing space if you don't have a shield though, his attacks lunge him forward quite a bit

[warm tendon]

Hey @wooden thunder, I gave up on trying to block the Elite Wraith I did find a very nice way to dodge the attack. When he stands in front of you just crouch jump to your 2 'o clock. Even works on slow ms classes. Yeah I was hoping I wouldn't have to bait his attacks, that makes for really long fights. On other classes I use a buckler to block his attacks was hoping barb had something similar. I tried stat checking the skele champ with a felling axe using Rage to lower the champ' DPS and using blood exchange to claw back some HP but did not survive sadly.

[wooden thunder]

Thanks for that update! I remember you 😄

[tulip ridge]

Try to jump on a ledge he cant get to, then just hit him non stop if its a high enough ledge, or time a jump after each of his swings if the ledge isnt high enough and hit him when u land

[warm tendon]

Thank you Japapa for the tip but I'm looking for ways to fight it fairly without cheesing.

[dusky raft]

When is the wipe scheduled for?

[formal moon]

Half the reason ppl don't want three floors is because ruins is a terrible first floor. You have to have a map that can hold 30 ppl+ plus multiple points of interest/ static downs and ups

[ebon stag]

Three floors is just too long. It isn't even about the map.

[fiery mural]

yeah i think devs had in mind 15-30min games max 3 floors would exxagerate match times

[ebon stag]

2 layer max

[random echo]

nah its all about pacing

[formal moon]

Three floors is unironically the answer to a lot of the games balance problems

[warm tendon]

I should have tested dodging/blocking the wraith way sooner. It always ways a scary mob that I would avoid at all costs, now I can just straight up 1v1 it and get the kill in a reasonable time.

[formal moon]

Especially for bad/new players

Ya, agreed IM is just clueless because they lost the plot pandering

[ebon stag]

If they do three floors, they have to change loot. There needs to be an actual reason to go down three floors other than killing a boss that 90% of people will never kill because it takes so long to even practice it.

[random echo]

there is pandering and then there is taking constructive feedback

[formal moon]

Yes, they would and more. Which is why it will never happen. IM only does things without thought

[ebon stag]

Inferno should have high legendary drop rates form everything on three floor system

[formal moon]

If you think this is a result of constructive feedback. You are lost

[ebon stag]

Epics only drop in 2nd floor. Blue only on first floor.

[formal moon]

Nah, just make new sellables worth more + lower thr chances of getting greens and imp everything else

The point im making, is I don't think they've listened to constructive feedback except for "rogue needs work" then they gave them DJ and haven't really done anything good since

BTW, I'm not saying adding dj was good

Ya, because they got dumpstered and no one really plays them

[ember egret]

nah they aint but i get ptsd everytime i see them little purple hands in the corner

[formal moon]

And it was smoke pot. Which just shows how the class is down bad.

[random echo]

thats a good point smoke pot isnt really used to deal more dmg or jump people it was purely for survivial. so they nerfed rouges defensive ability. i think the smoke pot nerf was also bc of all the ratting that happened on ruins. but when you have 3 mans full gold and named items doing anything but ratting will most likely just get u killed.

[formal moon]

Which is why they should just delete the class. They decided the game was for timmies shortly after GC. So just delete rogue, seeing as reworking seems to be impossible to even attempt

[muted verge]

Rogue is actually better off without stealth and there lies the problem. Everyone want to play a rogue with stealth but if it can't 2 shot classes then losses for the most part. True stealth is impossible to balance. Yes a few classes can counter but not all. Its also annoying to send light orbs in all the team out of fear the landmine rogue is here. If they want to bring landmine rogue back they need to change stealth to something other than true stealth. Even then it's not going to be fun for other players and rogues will be everywhere agian.

[pulsar hound]

how are people so rich and good at this game 😭 ive got 500 gold and one stash tab fighting full gold guys 😭

[formal moon]

This is only true within the context solos exist. Before, it was fine

[frank crown]

you should stick to normals then

[onyx valve]

When is the Q&A?

[muted verge]

Thats the other problem buff something for 3s and it's stupid broken in solo.

[pulsar hound]

i have no choice, because i dont have the gear to win any hr pvp, but normal drops such shit gear that i cant get anything to HR with

[onyx valve]

Don't PvP in HR till you get gear. Just play safe

[formal moon]

The game wasn't ment for solo. Adding it was a bad idea that has removed more ppl than adding

[wooden thunder]

Adding it was a bad idea that has removed more ppl than adding
Dang, where did IronMace mention that? I must have missed it

[muted verge]

While I want to agree i think last time I checked majority played solos or it's at least half.

[formal moon]

@muted verge I would be surprised if those were even 50% real players. @wooden thunder if you've played the game. You'll see there isn't even 15k ppl on wipe days when new content comes out

[wooden thunder]

I mean, that has nothing correlated to solos... and I've seen 14,000 in dungeon and 12,000 in lobby this season 🤷‍♂️

[formal moon]

It actually does, the implementation of solos changed the game for being balanced around 3s to 1s. Which has driven more players away, due to unfun gameplay

[muted verge]

I expect 30k-50k first week of wipe but it's highly dependent on patchnotes.

[formal moon]

Too bad this doesn't happen

[muted verge]

Based of what data? This is the first real wipe they have done lol

[velvet shard]

I think you’re just wrong here I don’t think they’ve done much balancing for solos at all if they did they would of made bosses more feasible for every class to attempt solo like what specific balance changes do you think were added for solos?

[pulsar hound]

just lost another hr kit to skele's ughhh

[velvet shard]

Was it an axe skeleton?

[pulsar hound]

and the first person i spectate has a cloak worth more than my entire inventory

[pulsar hound]

longsword spear and axe combo'd me lmaoooo

[velvet shard]

Yeah everyone is trying to use all their best gear before wipe so it can get kinda rough if you’re not in that tax bracket yet

[wooden thunder]

Nasty combo there

[pulsar hound]

yeah and you cant even get into that bracket without killing players 100x more powerful than you, or by just getting lucky with a pvpve situation

which ive NEVER had happen to me in this wipe

i give up im playing barb everyone says its easy imma try it

what weapon/build/skills for barb yall reccomend

[velvet shard]

I mean you can it just takes time if you’re not murdering people and with all honesty if they are running gold kits consistently they’re doing that because they’re very good at the game

[pulsar hound]

yeah so how do you win against someone thats not only wearing gear that takes 5 warmaul headshots to kill but ALSO theyre incredibly good, how do you ever win against someone like that? like im decent at combat but i could never win a fight against someone like that

[velvet shard]

I don’t think anyone is taking 5 grey warmaul headshots but yeah it’s kind of a no win situation sometimes where the win condition is to 3rd party or just avoid them all together

[pulsar hound]

3rd party? in these lobbies? what are those

ill be lucky if theres a second party lmao

[velvet shard]

Like attack them while they’re fighting someone else

[pulsar hound]

im making a joke about the player count lol

[pulsar hound]

there isnt a someone else 99 times out of 100

[velvet shard]

I haven’t had a dead lobby this whole time you playing on Brazil? Or something

[pulsar hound]

Na west, but i mostly play during early hours so i get alot of dead lobbies

i also play normal about 50% of the time which RARELY has people

[wheat fractal]

You should play normal lobbies if you're sick of dying to geared players, it's the end of wipe

[pulsar hound]

I do, but then its just pve 😭

[wheat fractal]

Yeah it's like 3 days till wipe

[pulsar hound]

i hope the game actually isnt full of hard sweats who are unkillably good, im decent but ive seen some of those crazy dodgers who just skill diff ppl every time 😭

[wheat fractal]

It definitely will be, people who are good at the game will stick around more then those who die all the time

[pulsar hound]

i skill diffed a barb once i was so proud of myself

[formal moon]

I haven't seen more than 20k players in 6 months. @velvet shard in interviews the devs have said they balance around solos. Several times

Because the game is dead

[velvet shard]

I think they made a big mistake letting people see the playercount and choose servers people seeing numbers go up and down the way games do naturally results in doomers

[formal moon]

That definitely was not the mistake. That's like saying the problem with monopolies is not enough colors on the bill boards

[muted verge]

Yes that's due to several issues that have already been fixed. I haven't played in almost 2 months because I have been waiting for a wipe with all the new changes. This is the longest they have gone without a wipe. So long as they do significant balance changes we could easily reach over 30k returning players.

[formal moon]

This is copium.

Yes and no. Stage 4 cancer isn't dead. But you wouldn't expect them to compete in the tour de France

They are, but just like white cells. When they gone, generally never reach their previous number

[velvet shard]

Giving hard numbers to people like you is inherently negative, just giving fuel to people that are gone have a negative impact on the game. If they only discourse people ever saw was from you they would never buy it. So giving negative nellys more to talk about and say “dead game” is just bad for the health of the game

[formal moon]

Just as bad as a noncritical eye giving praise for bad choices

[muted verge]

we shall see. Thousands of players left based of the trade system alone and that issue has been fixed it was just late into the season. Ppl will be coming back from that change alone. I'm just not sure if the servers are ready.

[velvet shard]

The market has greatly increased my experience and I can’t wait for more UI updates

[formal moon]

I think you just doubled down on copium. If you think trading is going to bring ppl back. I think you don't see the Forrest for the trees

Like most ppl that played the game knew trading was terrible and just went about their day. Don't think having bad game systems will change that

[velvet shard]

Then why are you even here why not go play something other game that you’re happy with. If you think the game is dead why not move on

[muted verge]

It's why my entire group quit playing and we can't be the only ones who felt that way. It was exhausting sitting in trade waiting for the gear to come by and if you got distracted you lose the clicking race. With bots also snaking items cuz they're faster. idk how some of you guys kept going honestly lol.

[formal moon]

Because I hope one day I'll read patch notes with a shread of thought and come back.

Plus some ppl have opinions they're capable of having a conversation with. This can be good

[formal moon]

Trade discord, cba to use the game one. Was trash from its implementation

Even before it got buffed. 2 links than I just vendor to move on with my life

[muted verge]

Trade discord is not for the average players it's for the sweats. @random echo Yep thats what we did as well just vendor everything but you couldn't escape buying time sink. I wouldn't even be here right now if not for the market place. I think they should have wiped sooner.Almost 4 moths since last wipe.

[formal moon]

Full loot games are pretty sweaty regardless.

Honestly, trade discord is for ppl whom respect their own time

[velvet shard]

Unless it’s an artifact I don’t see the point in using it rn

[wooden thunder]

Sitting on trade mousing over dozens of items looking for the right stats and then hoping you noticed and clicked faster than the other 500 people in there...whew. Marketplace is one of their huge wins this season; that thing is fantastic

[muted verge]

Trade discord was an unfair solution to a broken game. Not everyone knew about it. Once I learned about it I didn't want to deal with finding a trustworthy fence. Def wasn't going to list my own items. Just admit the new marketplace is a big deal and could bring back players this upcoming wipe.

[ebon stag]

The fact that you felt it necessary to sit in trade chat at all is the real problem. Gear is too powerful.

Self found mode saves the game.

Please devs save your game before its too late

[wooden thunder]

Certainly makes the barrier to entry lower for newer players. Imagine Tarkov without its marketplace lol would by awful. Players want to snag gear and play, not wait and fight for gear and hope the person doesn't insta-close the trade when you offer 500g instead of 515g...

[muted verge]

Actually bringing up nightmare fuel right now.

[ebon stag]

The marketplace is a bandaid on a gunshot wound. The game cannot survive when people reach certain gear thresholds and everyone is capable of 2-3 shotting everyone.

Self found prevents this by making you acquire your gear by actually playing the game and finding it in the dungeon. Giga geared BIS sets would be uncommon. Most people would be on more even ground. Fights would be more fun.

[void lantern]

This is why I love that they added AP to normals. Most people think of normals as beginner mode, I see it as the actual competitive mode where it's more skill based than gear based. Balance issues not withstanding

[ebon stag]

Self found is the only path forward barring major gear and stat changes.

[random echo]

i agree. did you ever play the pre 15 lobbies when it was capped at blues? they had it around awhile ago in a diff wipe. it was prob the most fun ive ever had on dark and darker. i totally agree self found or no marketplace lobbies should exist and would 100% be more fun/ challenging

[void lantern]

When I find good gear in HR, it's cool and all, but a good peice of gear found in normals is game changing for that match. And if they succeed on the multilayer dungeons, then even moreso.

[muted verge]

Yep and that's also a symptom from games that lack mechanics. Game is like 70% gear 30%skill. I played a lot fo wipe lobbies to get around the gear gap but the downside of white lobbies is some classes are dog water compared to others since they cant increase their damage threw jewelry. I kinda hope the new white lobbies get bumped up to green or some kind of change to allow more builds/stats.

[timid sky]

The biggest issue with the game (as I see it) and the main reason behind many players quitting recently is largely due to the fact that less experienced/skilled casual players (on average) are having a very bad time in high roller lobbies. These players are consistently matched with more experienced and more highly skilled players WHO ALSO HAVE INSANELY BETTER GEAR. Even in equal or lesser gear the experienced players will still win out more often than not. No argument there. However, for the more casual players it would be a less frequent and less brutal experience overall. It's easier to brush off the deaths and push on when the guy who 1 tapped their 81 hp rogue with a throwing axe isn't dripped out in glittering gold.

[random echo]

100% it is. i am playing norms rn for that exact reason. im playing tumble rouge vs barbs and fighters. i feel like the even gear makes me a better player especially bc im playing a difficult class like rouge in these white lobbies. my only choice to win in pvp is outplay which makes it satisfying to win pvp even if its just in norms

[ebon stag]

Self found will be the pinnacle of DaD. The devs might not have the nerve to do it especially after all the work put into the marketplace.

I will spread the gospel of self found until the end times.

[wooden thunder]

SSF is niche I'd argue. There's a lot of dopamine in chasing "getting rich" and the social aspect of interacting with players. It also helps lower gear fear, as well as the slog of dying and knowing "eff, it'll take me 8 hours to build that kit again by myself"

[random echo]

true also. its feels very anti casual especially later into the wipes.

[void lantern]

I think bumping up the gear level on normals is a bad idea. The whole point is to have everyone on an even gear level jumping in. Then it's all down to skill, PVE clear and looting speed, and enough with loot drops that each game is different.

[analog summit]

evry now and then a game with no people is fun and then there is still sometimes a person you didnt see. but as long as i get a game with some people in it then the playercount doesnt matter

[void lantern]

There is talk of having a white gear merchant, so you always have access to all the white gear for your class.

[ebon stag]

Gear fear is a phenomenon that happens because the gear has "value."

In a self found mode, nothing has value. The game becomes more of a survival game than a pvp battle royale.

[wooden thunder]

Gear does have value though, whether you can trade or not. Finding the BIS main hand wep in SSF is cool, then you die and know you're about to grind for 30 years again to find it. So you play safe so you don't lose it

[muted verge]

Yeah i get that trust me I do. It can just get stale thought that gear is meaningless and no build diversity. I think it would be cool if any gear you found in normal is white listed to bring back in. This way ppl could have better gear but it's not like they can have it all the time through marketplace. or even pick out the best of the best.

[ebon stag]

The value is ONLY the fact that it let's you survive better and longer. There is no outside value.

[subtle heart]

whens the next patch coming?

[ebon stag]

That's exactly what self found mode would be.

[random echo]

i agree w you. i dont think farming gold and then buying a bunch of good gear and then using it for pvp is very skillful at all. building a set by surving takes more brain/skill than farming money then buying anything you want. if you want good gear you should have to find it. that would also incnetivise more players to stay out of trade/marketplace and get into the Dungeon.

[muted verge]

Yes lol just implemented in a different way.

[ebon stag]

Self found is the way. I wish they would ask the devs in these q&a about self found

[wooden thunder]

If they launch on Steam and gain traction I could see it being a possible split. Like Hardcore vs Softcore in ARPGs.

Like if they get to 100k concurrent someday (let's pray), it'd be a cool niche mode players could opt into

[void lantern]

I see your perspective. I see this as the core issue of the game. Everyone has a different vision for what they want the game to be, and the devs can't pick a vision to balance towards. I want a fantasy esport BR with no meta progression, others want a D&D Borderlands, and these just aren't compatible.

[lilac girder]

This game is hindered by the developers it will never be what any of you want it to be.

[ebon stag]

I think self found would be more popular than any other mode. Nobody WANTS to spend any time in the market making a gear set just so they have a chance.

[lilac girder]

Greed is good

[muted verge]

The no meta would be fire but it's almost impossible in these types of games. who knows maybe they will figure it out someday.

[void lantern]

Most BRs have no meta progression, LoL has no meta progression, most of the most played and competitive games have no meta progression, so I'm not sure I agree.

[ebon stag]

JCMK is a minority. He would say no stash, no quests, etc etc. He wants warzone in fantasy dungeon.

Even more of a minority than wanting self found

That is what he means by meta progression. No character progression at all. Everyone starts equal every match.

[void lantern]

Totally accept I may be the minority. I'm okay with the meta-progression tutorial, ie. leveling up to 20 and unlocking the merchants, but anyone who plays a little will quickly achieve this. Just wish IM would articulate what their goal is so we know.

[muted verge]

I'm not sure if we are thinking of the same thing. what is meta progression to you? When I see a meta example is Fighters sprint/heal. It's been the best since the start of that classes design and 95% don't use other skills. In brs meta to me is the S tier guns that on average net more kills because they're easier to control.

[ebon stag]

That would be the meta game. He's talking about progression of your character outside the dungeon (i.e. building up resources and your stash to give you an advantage)

[void lantern]

Meta progression is your progression in previous games giving you and advantage in future ones. Has nothing to do with meta.

[muted verge]

I see that makes more since.

[void lantern]

Yep, exactly. And we can disagree all we want, but ultimately the devs have to decide what kind of game they are making. I'll probably still play if they go the other way, but yeah I want a D&D CoD Warzone, I admit it.

[ebon stag]

Nobody would play DaD except a few people if the game was like that (except those weirdos like JCMK 😁)

[wooden thunder]

Maybe IronMace surprises us with the talent trees in the new season. Beefs up the burden on balancing, but gives us a new shiny to care about on that meta progression 😄

[vocal bramble]

i wish old school runescape looked like dark and darker

[muted verge]

well I think you're in luck because If I was a betting man I would bet that's exactly what arena will be.

[void lantern]

Possibly, though I'm thinking it will be more literal arena, like in WoW. I like the PvEvP aspect. Normals as it is is exactly what I want, they just need better balancing. I really enjoy the concept of a rogue, but I have to outplay someone so hard to stand a chance, and I'm not that good. I'd like to have a 50/50 chance of killing someone who is my same skill level. With maybe a 10-20% probability deviation due to class rock paper scissors.

[muted verge]

yep rogue in normals is def the weakest due to lack of base line stats. I hope they make arena interesting.

[analog summit]

wow in normals i hit a rogue 5 times in the back with common rondel dagfger on ignite lol LOFL oh yea i forgot to say he stabbed me twice and lived \

how do you stab a rogue in normals who has 86 hp got gassed from a zombe and almost zapped too 5 times with an ignited dagger for him to to 2 shot me without rupture even on

fuck that\

[void lantern]

Rondel and stiletto have some hitbox issues. It is very possible you didn't actually "hit" him as many times as it showed on your screen. If you are using a dagger, I recommend kris, or the first two swipes of the casti. At least until they fix the hitboxes/netcode.

[analog summit]

with fire mastery literall ass yo. like over the 5 stabs hes getting burned like 10 damage

[analog summit]

yea as wizard

buff rogue. rogue is fing g..

[grave sundial]

when is the wipe?

[void lantern]

IM can't buff rogue. The class is too fun, and even nerfed to hell, too many people play it. If they buff rogue, all you will see in lobbies is rogues, and they need class diversity.

The only way they can buff rogue is if they also take away all the toys that give the class identity, and then what would be the point?

[wooden thunder]

in 2 days

[formal moon]

Just delete gc and duos. Game will instantly be more balanced and rogue can go back to landmine.

Seeing as they can't be bothered to rework

[long rain]

Fun OP, nerf fun please

[formal moon]

Lol, they already did

[long rain]

[void lantern]

They did, and still we play rogue. I've tried every class, and even though I do so much better with the others, I still enjoy rogue the most. And not landmine either, I'm constantly roaming, searching for PvP and loot.

[void lantern]

How will deleting gc and duos achieve this? And not all rogues landmine, nor is rogue the only class that can landmine.

[formal moon]

Can't really imagine anyone having fun with rogue. The past two wipes have been run simulator for the class and now we do that too well and got another nerf

[hardy plover]

when will goblin cave return?

[void lantern]

Having you ever played Getting Over It? It's kind of like that.

[formal moon]

Nope

Sounds like rogue.

[spare charm]

whens the new season coming out?

[twin magnet]

No i mean they shouldve left the 20 AR intact and the ability of it have the cooldown

[true plume]

ye 100 days was way too long and this 2 week gap has been rough. it could have been fun with neat experiments but.. it's just been nothing

[graceful storm]

I bet theres going to be some crazy changes on day 1 of wipe that couldve been released two weeks ago to find out all the broken stuff so we dont have rollbacks

[oblique gorge]

Land mines of any kinda ruin the game, at most 3 hits to kil when geared to give a chance and react. Unless you want to see every one landmining each other.

[oblique gorge]

as long as the RMTeamers can use lock pick doublejump and runn faster than everyone else I think there happy, cant have the class with the most utiltie a and stupid dps that has inbuilt armor pen, being any stronger than it is now. Your suppose to be tactical
and ambush to gain and advatage, out manuver and dodge, it should be a highskill expersion class which i feel like its getting there. We dont want to go back to 140hp landmine brainless W keys rouges that would be terrible, only the brained dead casuals want that.

[wooden thunder]

dont have rollbacks
Good god I hope there are zero rollbacks in this next season...almost killed all motivation to play after the 2nd one.

That nightmare of "We pushed out a major change while everyone was on holiday. We'll rollback in a few days. Enjoy your weekend" was absolutely horrendous

[bright gazelle]

did wipe every hit finally or no?

[formal moon]

Landmine refers to a time before DJ, generally. Either way, the reason rogue got DJ is because they were the least preforming class in kills aside from cleric. Even when you camp and W key some rando whom comes to you, you still had 2 teammates to fight. Even with the most movement speed, you were prone to die if you didn't time well. The class is down bad and had been down bad for a long time. Even in the landmine days, pre GC. You were kinda trolling brining a rogue that wasn't good, and even then rogue just wasn't very good in a team

[hard thicket]

pve trash

[subtle heart]

whats OP

[oblique gorge]

Not trying to troll mate but coming from and OCe sever perspective is the primary class for the RMTeamers, our games are jusy loaded with them, your talking about them have to fight 2 temates? what are you doing try to balance around a 1v3? rouges should not be able to take any fight head on in 1v1 let alone 3v1. balancing a rouge around 3v3s as a frontline is just insane, its about ambushing the backline and attacking from different directions. Try fighting a meta trio and 3-4 solo rouges teaming on you popping in and out from every coner. The issue being class most used by teamers cant be buffed at all other than more utilties and fun mechnics. Give them any more hp and more dps and your turning low pop severs into a living hell.

[formal moon]

You reached pretty far to get to that conclusion all the way to something no one is talking about

[oblique gorge]

the world dosent revovle around US West & US east severs mate

[formal moon]

mate you're talking to yourself at this point, no idea what you're getting at

[random echo]

combined some of rouges useless perks. for example hide mastery and stealth should be the same perk. rouge has multiple unsued and wasted perks. a good buff would combining useless perks with perks that feel like a waste.

[oblique gorge]

rouge does have some usless perks and more crestive and usefull one are needed, every decent perk added gets abused to the enth degree every time though..

[formal moon]

because adding perks was never the answer

[oblique gorge]

true

[formal moon]

half of the perks are based around a mechanic that is too OP in solos

adding solos + having rogue is too much to exist at once. Rogue needed rework before gc and needs one 20x now that gc exists

[lapis marsh]

wipe when ?

[charred scaffold]

How do you join additional - Class Discussion Chans # For example I can't see Barb rogue or Barbarian, I suspect because I didn't play those classes when I joined. (edited)

[formal moon]

pick more roles.

[vocal bramble]

hey guys, since rogue has such terrible QOL, if you want to solo meme in trios this is how you do the locksmith build #rogue message

[graceful storm]

they should make solo Q less desirable like you can only run that on the OG one level small GC map with less loot and not even worry about balancing towards that and leave the main Qs duo and trio only where you can pick maps and what not and balance solely towards those modes, would help with balancing issues and map population maybe

[graceful storm]

at the very top of the nav bar on the left hand side, you click on Channels & Roles

[vocal bramble]

I think in order to attract new players solo que should have selectable ques for all maps so they can learn quickly and to their leisure, and duo and trio que should be on rotation to make sure those lobbies are packed for pvp etc. I think the ability for solo player to join into duo and trio que can hurt the experience for duo and trio looking for full team pvp and not just a meme pickpocket/locksmith skeleton. this would in turn hurt rogues meme builds so they would need a rework, which they do regardless.

[kindred gull]

when game wipe

[vocal bramble]

announcements today at some point

[kindred gull]

bet i just got this whole week of work off 🙂

[frank crown]

wipe after shid before flush

[river dragon]

Ambushing in this game is a joke even when invisible. You can't do enough damage to kill them before they turn around and two tap you. You can't get away either because of either sprint or the other classes have about 3 percent less move speed than you and hit you with their long range weapon being falchion or horseman axe while you were up close with your little short range daggers. You just simply can't get out in time to do anything impactful before you die.

[formal moon]

No thanks

[modern ocean]

yo guys is it normal that i have to purchase this game again?

[wooden thunder]

If you got permabanned then probably

[modern ocean]

never got a email that i got banned

last time i logged in was 8.2023 and thats the last i was playing now i logged in and it says me i have to purchase again

[empty cave]

Did you migrate your account?

[modern ocean]

migrate what u mean?

[grizzled sage]

okay we need to be more harsh on people who are killing gold players

[empty cave]

thye recently migratged from Chaf to Blacksmith

[modern ocean]

im on blacksmith from the beginning

[empty cave]

ah nvm then

[modern ocean]

so i have to buy this game again?

for no reason

[vapid oyster]

idk file a ticket about your account

[oblique gorge]

you talking about a geared rouge? or budget kit/starter rouge? I have seem many mid/high teir geared rouges melt a pdr fighter with the rights perks, if there using cut throat and jump a warlock or wiz, even a cleric its gg. They balanced it a while back so rouges had to have some decent gear before they became a threat due to the landmime naked rouge crap that was happening

[dawn trout]

game is dead?? only 2k players

[river dragon]

I'm talking about both any kind of rogue. Cut throat is good for what 20 percent of the player base who use spells? Warlocks dumpster rogues, clerics also dumpster rogues. Wizards can run away quick because of the slowness you have while stabbing for cutthroat to wear off. And then cast magic missles, did you know if probably only takes 3 of those how many missles to hit and kill a rogue because their will stat?

[gilded prairie]

Meta for rogue is throwing knives. An ambush with a few throwing knives will do the trick

[river dragon]

Rogues do not melt anything pdr fighters dumpster rogues because like i said it only takes 2 hits to kill a rogue. Sometimes even one and a full armored fighter with sprint can run a fast as a rogue. Did I mention the crossbow that fighters carry?

[blissful zenith]

Bruh I thought the xbox lag switching days were over.

[river dragon]

It's time for a change and people know it. People just hate playing carefully. They just want to run into a cleared room like everything is safe because they don't immediately see anyone. They are lazy and cry about their deaths from a rogue. Calling it unfair. Well its unfair to stab someone 7 or 8 times for me to kill them and they only need 2 hits on me. We have to bring a perk to use a dang hand crossbow that does less damage than throwing axes

[blissful zenith]

I just tried to beat a base gear rangers ass and the entire lobby stopped, I insta died after like 5 seconds and he's wiping the lobby by himself lmao

[heavy jetty]

What day do the fresh servers start?

[haughty sundial]

Has anyone done the math on like what time the season ends CET or any timezone?

[wooden thunder]

March 13th @ 4:00PM Pacific is the rumor

[haughty sundial]

Ty :)

[flat haven]

What day wipe

[rustic haven]

just coming back to the game for wipe. im kinda excited. has the game changed much since the game got taken off steam?

[last iris]

Yea

[young mulch]

yeah alot lol i'd watch some vids and patch notes. Theyre also doing a q&a tonight

[rustic haven]

thanks. when I played back in the open betas, the game wasnt too competitive. has it gotten competitive? im more of a casual player

[dense heron]

love the servers ironmace my feet need to be placed right next to the angry barbarian and my spell doesnt need to cast just let me get axed and not be able to play this supposed video "game" how is it a game when you dont even get to play fix the servers for the love of god

[charred scaffold]

These listing fees are worse than ETH Gas...

[sly thorn]

I'm playing stranger of paradise and it would be the coolest thing for a crossover to happen. I know it won't but it would be cool

[gilded prairie]

I think it'd be cool if we could give karma when spectating people. I know players to know when someone's a piece of shit; or when someone's chill

[graceful storm]

I had a skeleton champ start fighting me upside down yesterday was not cool

[limber badge]

his power is beyond our mortal comprehension

[sweet nymph]

so when exactly is wipe?

[velvet shard]

1 day and 22 hours

[sweet nymph]

ty very much good sir

[velvet shard]

this just in wipe pushed back 1 day further

[sweet nymph]

where did you read this

[velvet shard]

in the dev Qna rn

its on twitch on onepegs stream

[sweet nymph]

damn 3 days it is

[formal moon]

QnA not lookin so hot

[limber badge]

yeah it's been...pretty bad lol

[outer scaffold]

whys that?

[main pawn]

when is wipe?

[frank crown]

qna lookin scuffed oh no

[fervent shadow]

what have they shown off in the qna

[long prairie]

It’s riddled with sweats especially Cus the lobbies have been dead near end wipe

[pliant umbra]

map select in normals only, HR map does the rotate

let Tim pick his lil map but big boys get what they get

[frank crown]

multiclassing being added but not functional until later date, supposed perk rework that could be good. but otherwise i dont hear any content coming

[formal moon]

They just added a grind where if you don't have enough time to play all classes, you'll be weaker than everyone else

[brisk mason]

hide rework is all i care about :)

[frank crown]

honestly yeh i wouldnt be surprised if double jump got removed or significant rework as well

[kindred gull]

where is wipe :/

[limber badge]

But not for at least a month

[brisk mason]

well they said they are working on it rn, they never said when it may happen. Its not the same as multi classing lol

[limber badge]

He literally said the perk reworks are at least a month out

[brisk mason]

oh damn must of missed that. I though that was just for the training

[limber badge]

Yeah the majority of this QnA has been "Things are delayed from illness and other such things"

[frank crown]

pour yourself a triple jim cuz its been delayed till the 15th possibly later

[kindred gull]

bro do they not know i have a hard ware store with rope and trees ifykyk

:/ i have D&D Addiction

[severe sinew]

So how are the QnA go

[limber badge]

it uh...it's okay.

[formal moon]

pretty massive L

[warm kraken]

For people that don't base their entire life around an alpha game, looks promising.

[torn stirrup]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538734/multiclassing-is-a-mistake

[severe sinew]

Oh great. Can't wait to get home tonight and view the QnA recap from my favorite DaD content upcoming content creator!!

[frank crown]

pre game lobby getting removed at some point

[formal moon]

you mean people whom have a job and don't wanna dump hours into each class so you can maybe get the multi class perk you want

[warm kraken]

A test for a system that probably won't work properly at first or will be shit to use. Yeah lmao.

[severe sinew]

Pre game lobby gone? Why. Wtf

[formal moon]

just imagine you miss the first day and get slapped by an ambush barb

[warm kraken]

Imagine you miss the first month and that happens. Or 2 months. Or 4 months. Same shit. You're crying about a system that someone barely talked about in a podcast 😂

[formal moon]

If you're not huffing copium, you can see the problems

[green tinsel]

Is it just me or like idk multi classing feels like such a miss I like the idea of set classes idk I feel like doing multi classing and arenas it’s gonna be a balancing nightmare and will take time away from putting out more core content.

[formal moon]

They just add more chores and people are tripping over themselves making excues for it

[frank crown]

potential shorter seasons in the future Pog

[frank venture]

Multiclassing means homogenising all the classes, also means unique and cool perks and skills cant be added due to other classes poaching them, making any new additions to the game have to be incredibly generalist and boring/tame, people will find ‘optimal’ set ups and will just all work towards that

[formal moon]

based.

[limber badge]

The randomization of perks is going to severely ruin some people's days, and benefit others. The "roguelike" element they mentioned sounds bizarre, to say the least.

[formal moon]

i called it a long time ago, they're so deep in pandering they've lost the plot

[frank venture]

While it would open up opportunities for people to make cool builds realistically people cant afford to grind a long amount of time just to try out something cool that may not work, meaning people will flock towards established powerful builds/multiclasses, bringing the strongest parts of each class until everyone is playing the same builds.
It wont be fighter barb rogue ranger for phys damage builds it will be ‘optimal dps melee’ ‘optimal pdr build’ ‘optimal ranged build’

The fact that its also grind related makes this 6x worse, you spend your time grinding towards an established build just for another optimised player to hard counter you, it would be like playing for 10 hours to unlock rock in rock paper scissors just to lose to someone who played for 30 and has all 3

Bad for casuals, unfun for hardcore gamers

[limber badge]

Yeah I can't think of a better way to completely annihilate new player interest

[formal moon]

[frank venture]

Perks arent randomised thats a different part, you get random loot to ur stash

[limber badge]

Oh I thought it was for perks, hence why they mentioned rogue likes

[formal moon]

I think it is

if it's just spells, what would you even get from a rogue or a fighter

[dense forum]

Anyone else walk away from this thinking that this wipe is actually going to make this very sick game even worse?

It feels like all the casuals have quit already.

Serious case of survivorship bias when looking at the statistics here from Ironmace. We don't need infinite grind.

[formal moon]

Yes, been feeling that way most patches

[frank venture]

says random item not perk, you choose the perks

[formal moon]

random item who cares. That's just gonna be a lottery roll on if u get money or not

[frank venture]

well yeah

[dense grove]

anyone have a breakdown of what they're going over? Don't have time to sit and listen

[limber badge]

I don't know if that makes me feel better or worse

[dense grove]

please god tell me theres a text breakdown I have no idea whats happening

[formal moon]

they're trying to focus on the best solo experience and added extra chores for fun in the form of multi classing

[dense grove]

I also heard hide is gone?

[frank crown]

basicly everything is delayed, hr gets map rotation. multi classing isnt finished but we have a rough outline. perks getting "reworked" to fit into multi class system

[dense grove]

Oh god that sounds really bad

[limber badge]

Basically anything and everything was delayed one way or another. Illness has plagued them for a month.
No Druid, and no ETA.
They teased multiclassing. It's confusing enough to warrant watching the QnA when you can. It is coming with the wipe but won't be implemented. Basically you level a char to X level and they become master, which allows other master ranked characters to use perks from other masters.
They want to rework perks first. Hide is still in, this is likely many weeks out.
Solos will be GC only, duos ice map, trios crypts. No ruins, no gold gear.
A squire NPC is being added that can customize your starting kit, up to green, based on merchant affinity.
Quest drop chance buffs up to 20%. Quests will be in chapters, released weekly

[wooden thunder]

Trying to recall all of it (don't take this for gospel, just what I can recall):

• Wipe pushed to March 15th by end of day GMT.
• No Ice Abyss / Ice Wyvern, it's in progress.
• No Druid on wipe, still in progress.
• No account-wide quests yet, the quests themselves will be simpler this go-round though.
• Quests will release over time via Chapters (will prevent hardcores from having gold kits craftable in the first 4 days)
• Maps will not be a rotation: Solos GC, Duos IC, Trios Crypts/Inferno
• There is a "multi-classing" type system coming; levels are to be determined. Example though: Level your Barbarian to 100, Rogue to 100, you then earn Mastery Tokens. Spend the tokens to randomly get some Rogue skills on your Barbarian.... so get ready for Barbians with Hide + BoC lol
• Balance and skill changes / overhauls are in the works, no word on what exactly for the wipe though.
• Wipes will likely be 90-days and possibly have the 2-weeks between but they are figuring it out and if they have 2-weeks between they want to be prepared with more things to test out.
• Quest items drop rates increased. Worst drop rate is still 2x from what it was this season.
• Considering removal of the waiting lobby. Will still find a way to give you a training dummy, but want to remove you seeing who will be in your match ahead of time.

[limber badge]

Oh and no ETA on arena

[dense grove]

Wait perks only or perks and skills? Starting kit changes sound actually good.

[limber badge]

I believe both

[fossil jackal]

If I don't have 40 hours to play is it even worth it or will I just always be at an even bigger disadvantage to all the stay at home sons? Multiclassing seems gamebreaking

[frank crown]

you already know the answer my friend

[limber badge]

It is a sweats wet dream

[severe sinew]

Damn. Really sad to hear they killed this game.

[fossil jackal]

Well hopefully the streamers who remain will have a good time thats whats important

[frank venture]

Why does everyone think the perks are random, you get random loot for leveling characters not perks

Fight misinformation

[severe sinew]

Wait what? Wym random loot for leveling characters? This is vigor now?

[frank crown]

you need to level your guy to make him become a master also you need to earn tokens it seems by leveling. still seems like a grind

[limber badge]

I swear he said it was perks, like swear. I need to re-watch.

[severe sinew]

I'm sure onepeg will drop a video in a mim

That's what I'm waiting for.

[wooden thunder]

I think it was "Spells and Skills, not sure about Perks"

[dense grove]

NGL though rogue with ignite is gonna be funny af

[frank crown]

they would need to be able to wield crystal ball which they cant currently afaik

[severe sinew]

Rogue with ignite? The wizard spell???

[dense grove]

I'm assuming if you can multiclass spells then you'd be able to wield at least one spell focus

[frank crown]

that would make sense

[dense grove]

Otherwise why have it right?

[sand tapir]

"Its a bit of a roguelike in the sense that each new learning token gives you 3 random abilities from another mast class."

From the QnA Word Document itself lol

[limber badge]

Okay IM NOT CRAZY

I KNEW IT

[frank crown]

[sand tapir]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zU6bkVFXCY1z6qn39ZOL5_DEEInfhf_k77ssgu8ebjE/preview

[limber badge]

Thank you for this link

[severe root]

he said perks and abilities and a spell wheel is an ability to im assuming its covered

[iron shuttle]

id rather see more perks and abilities for the existing classes than random perk soup

[frank venture]

oh my god

[sand tapir]

it is indeed Random Perks/Skills

[limber badge]

Weird way to circumvent players stomping timmies

There's gonna be that guy getting good rng

[midnight shale]

So if there is a quest in crypts next season and you are a solo player you will be forced into trio's? Do these dev's even know how to balance a game for each gamemode.

[limber badge]

Rev up those lich kills

[tall pebble]

i guess you'll never know the game looks like more dead heach days we get close from wipe. And the announcements are making it worst. XD

[midnight shale]

I just hope they use outside brains to figure out the questing system and not they themselfs you already know they will fuck it up.

[dense forum]

🪦 🎮 🪦

[fervent shadow]

ian readin allat

[sand tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[fervent shadow]

someone tldr it

[frank crown]

look up a couple pages its been done

[fervent shadow]

they musta been off the reef

[elder vault]

tbh felt the game was in a good state as-is with some minor balancing tweaks needed. now we're getting multiclassing? rip

[frank crown]

i just wanted a wipe

[digital dock]

Did they really push the wipe back...ouch. FML

[frank crown]

myes

[elder vault]

I support the devs and love this game, but it's crazy that they think multiclassing is a good idea. They have a hard time as-is balancing the current classes.

[heady current]

buff rogue nerf barb. give wiz a spellbook baseline

[dense forum]

Locking OP synergies behind dozens of hours of grind and RNG? What could go wrong?

Were you a gold team that gear diff wasn't enough for? Are you sad that your enemy could loot you? We've got the solution for you! Class diff is going to be your unlootable, earnable, no-life advantage you've waited for! Just grind dozens of hours and reroll characters if they don't get the RNG skill combination you wanted!

[severe sinew]

Gamez dead bud don't worry.

[dense forum]

🪦 🎮 🪦

[muted verge]

just allow me to stand and play the game like everyone else. That's all I want now.

[green geode]

can we only play one map now?

[waxen lion]

Does any body know if that wipe is actually happening? if so when?

[patent vigil]

when tf is wipe they are taking way to long

[vocal bramble]

#rogue message

[vapid sluice]

just checked on this after 6 months, what is the multiclass, unlootable thing?

[sand tapir]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zU6bkVFXCY1z6qn39ZOL5_DEEInfhf_k77ssgu8ebjE/preview

[rare oracle]

They actually did address this saying there would be some development of a level of decay or rounding down of the experience gained by people no lifing.

[alpine turret]

. @formal swallow

[formal swallow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[alpine turret]

🤫 🧏‍♂️ 🗿

[frank venture]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538734/multiclassing-is-a-mistake. Vote if you agree, hoping the devs get our worries and rethink the addition of multiclassing

Even in a version where you can only get one perk, it limits what fun perks they can add to the game since they have to balance every ability on every class

[rare dew]

If the intention of removing the freedom of map choice again is to solve player counts, it should be noted that there are people (like me) who will choose to uninstall the game and never play again until maps are free to choose at any party size again. I don't know if it's a majority opinion or not, but I just straight up will not play this game unless I can play any map as a solo and only queue into other solos. It was a good ride, but i'll see you guys when they revert this. For now, back to SPT.

[tough imp]

👋

[rare dew]

👋

[frank venture]

i think the longevity gained by having full lobbies will make up for the few people who feel that strongly about queuing into empty lobbies on every map so thats ok

[sullen fossil]

agreed. also the added bonus of saying good riddance to those crybabies

[hollow fulcrum]

if they can balance the multiclassing it can be awesome but all the games are that have multiclassing are broken some point so gg xD

[wintry python]

With a 90-day life cycles.... I really don't think multi-classing is that big of a problem. Of course some people will get some lucky r&g and get some cool perks... But think about how many people that will drive and fill the lobby and drive to play the game. So they can get some cool OP perk if they get lucky. Ultimately, I think that keeps the lobbies filled up and new players interested in playing the game because maybe they get the lucky rng roll. In worst case scenario is there's a few players that are OP for what 45 days maybe? Assuming that there's a super OP perk to be had.

[spice wasp]

slayer rogue moment

[hollow fulcrum]

ofc hard grind ppl should be have fun in the game too so this is not a bad idea i guess

its hard to make happy both casual and hardcore players ppl will never understand

[inner sundial]

Goblins 3x3 map is the little one right ?

[inner sundial]

RIP SUSIE 🙏

[void adder]

On to appeal number 4 after being falsely banned 🫡 . Ironmace still hasn't given a reason as to why they think I've violated their policies, and they're now ignoring me. I am innocent!

[frank venture]

luck based grinding? Yippee! im also sure the casual players are super excited to be weaker than people who have more play time in an extra way than they already are!

This will be good for playerbase numbers im sure!

[uneven sparrow]

Would be really good if they added adventure ranks with rewards for normal trio too, like in current preseason

[cyan crane]

yo any one got list of what was said in qna

[sterile acorn]

no plesae no

I do not want to have any reason to get demigod ever again pls remove ranked pls

[raven nymph]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zU6bkVFXCY1z6qn39ZOL5_DEEInfhf_k77ssgu8ebjE/preview

[deft lintel]

This. Now with the new leveling system, they should just remove rank, or simplify it. AP grinding killed the spirit of the game IMO

[brave sorrel]

the multiple push backs, major changes, and failed promises killed this game

[sterile acorn]

games not dead yet but they arent exactly instilling hope

[brave sorrel]

with that being said its a downhill slope

[glad orbit]

perks cheat when

[mighty mauve]

The QnA was so sad. I was excited 😔

No druid, and the ruination of the class system

[spiral kernel]

Check the subreddit

[leaden dragon]

Who else plays once a week if that?

[livid oracle]

is goblin caves back?

[slow dune]

Does demon form aoe that deals 2 magical dmg actually work and can be scaled?

[brisk lava]

It will be for solos yes but the old maps

[loud basin]

has wipe happened

[velvet shard]

No

[loud basin]

let’s fucking go i was about to lose my set i’ve never used

[rotund ember]

lol wipe is extended by another day.

[gusty kindle]

this multiclassing stuff sounds whack

[icy solar]

I understand correctly, instead of making one of the most gorgeous maps for solo duos and trios. Do they just remove solos and duos and leave the rest of the crap maps? A brilliant choice to remove part of the audience who play solo and duo

[subtle heart]

who tf even plays duos though

[dense forum]

👆

[icy solar]

All my friends play either solo or duo. We rarely get together in a trio

[granite tapir]

I did when it was ruins #bestduomap

[long prairie]

Fr didn’t they get a bunch of hate for saying those taking out duos. And now their going back to rotations. Which is the reason new people don’t play

[waxen wren]

Last night I was spectating in Trios and I was watching this group only mine ore. The three gave it to a rogue who took static extract and then the other two extracted with nothing. Are these bots or Chinese farmers? It wasn't even in HR, this was LR trios, the rogue ended up extracting with like 2 stacks of iron and rubysilver. It's literally a couple days till wipe.

[velvet temple]

wait what happend what did I miss?

[gloomy halo]

Farmers. I have heard stories of somehow cheaters stashes not being wiped. Also why theres tons gold easily accessible start of wipe on the online gold shops too.

[mighty mauve]

I think theres a summery of the QnA in some channel. But most notebly they pushed back wipe another day, druid wont arrive but that doesnt matter anyway cause they are adding a multiclass system. Which makes it so you can combine classes and strive away from the whole class-fantasy and individuality system the game is built on.

[waxen wren]

They were so bad at the game lmao. Was seeing them almost get wiped by a single skeleton footman. Crazy to think people just sit here and mine all day for money.

[mighty mauve]

But we’ll see how it plays out. Im not optimistic though.

Feels kind or sour that this is what we’re getting after the month long wipe push back. Kind of hoped for more.

[gloomy halo]

Might also be bots but most likely just people that grind and sell the gold. Some make good money out of that in their countries.

[bold pier]

whens wipe

[mighty mauve]

Friday, think thats the last thing that was said.

[velvet temple]

I just found a trancript and I agree... The game is starting to become a drag to play and this sounds like it is going to be worse... Guess I will have to wait and see.

[waxen wren]

Wish we could ban em..

[gloomy halo]

Can only pray and believe. 🙂

Im not sure if they take any more video footages of people teaming / cheating in matches?

[digital dock]

Maybe its the "praying" that is not working, we need to switch to ritual sacrifice

[mighty mauve]

Just hope and pray this wont be the last nail in the coffin.

[gloomy halo]

We can try that also yes.

[gloomy halo]

its almost buried already.

[mighty mauve]

Hold the line…😔

Oh well. It will atleast be fun for a week. A wipe is always fun.

[gloomy halo]

Definitely. Not going to play myself if they dont have duos or chance to choose map ourself. Then going to skip this one out.

[mighty mauve]

Think someone said duos will be locked to icecaves for atleast the beginning of wipe

I play mostly duos myself, and I liked the Icecave. So I think its fine.

Atleast duos are still in the game…

[gloomy halo]

No surprise there. My question is why tho? Whats the point in that.

[mighty mauve]

Not sure actually.

[gloomy halo]

Maybe they still need balancing on ice cave and they know that duos are their highest player rate in the game?

[mighty mauve]

could be

[barren ingot]

Multi classing and map locking is the worst thing you guys could have done for S2. You are killing you’re own game and all this hard work you guys have put in will all be for nothing when you’re player base leaves and doesn’t come back. I really do love this game a lot and have been playing since the very first play test but the decisions you guys are making are terrible time after time. I get it, it’s early access and you are trying new things but these ideas are so far out of the scope of what is balanced and fun it’s not even funny. Such a shame

[severe sinew]

Wow. No onepeg video highlighting what was said? They must've really fucked up if he didn't even take the time to make a video about it.

[pallid notch]

The interview was late asf give the man some time to rest and edit lmao

[severe sinew]

The last interview was just as late. And he stayed up to put out the video, as is exactly what he said in the video "I had to get it out"

[pallid notch]

For someone whos been playing since Pt1 you not knowing multiclassing was ALWAYS on the docket is comical. Let the devs develop ffs

[pallid notch]

Yea there was no insane new news from what I heard so why rush to get it out

[mental matrix]

dont get why everyone is dooming over multy classing we've barely heard anything about it. At least wait for it to drop to complain

complain about map locking all you want tho at least we've experienced that

[dapper breach]

I personally am quite excited for multiclassing! Would love to get evil eye and cleric heals and bard buffs and become a support machine for my trio. Of course liable to RNG

[severe sinew]

Think we're more worried about their vision of making duos play the sane dog shit map with the same dog shit mechanics. I can't be the only person who doesn't fuck with the slow effect from ice caves

[dapper breach]

I love ice caves tbh, hard PvE is my favorite part of this game

[pallid notch]

What do they even mean by map locking, like its just gonna be 1 map per gamemode?

[mental matrix]

ye

[pallid notch]

If so then w/e the only real effect is on trios who most of the populus wanted crypts anyways

[dapper breach]

1 map per group size so that they can fine tune maps to the party sizes

[mental matrix]

solo is only 3by3 goby, dou only ice, trio only crypt

[pallid notch]

You can still duo/solo on any map above your queue size tho yea?

[mental matrix]

pretty sure

[severe sinew]

Lmao solos are og goblin caves (3x3 map) duos are in shitty ice caves where you take one hit and are slowed down 30% and trios get to have fun

[mental matrix]

just dont get hit tho

[pallid notch]

Ice caves is by FAR the best map idk why people think its shit

[barren ingot]

Unless it’s officially announced from the devs saying it WILL be in the game then I don’t believe everything I read online. You have no idea what’s good for this game

[dapper breach]

They said that one thing they're not good at is making maps which are good for solos, duos and trios. Which I can understand. Design is really hard

[pallid notch]

The multiclass skill tree has been in the game under the training tab since the playtests it wasnt something said online. It was something that was IN GAME in progress

[mental matrix]

yeah with 0 info about how it was actually going to work

[severe sinew]

Yeah but that's just it. One hit is so punishing in caves that if you get hit, you are damaged, and much more likely to get hit. Not fun imo

[pallid notch]

Hes not mad about how it works hes mad that it even exists

[dapper breach]

I'm also excited for multiclass but I think a lot of people (myself included) thought it would be more about class-specific skill trees than multi-classing

[mental matrix]

yeah thats what i thought it was gonna be

[pallid notch]

P sure thats what everyone thought it would be

[barren ingot]

Doesn’t mean it can’t be removed. Unless you can use it then it’s not in the game officially

[mental matrix]

i agree that itll be hard to balence but it still looks really fun

[pallid notch]

Expecting things to be removed then getting upset when they arent is wild

[barren ingot]

I’m not expecting anything. Why you tryna put words on my mouth

[pallid notch]

You JUST said you didnt like it and that you thought it could be removed theres no putting words in your mouth

[barren ingot]

Can you read or?

[dapper breach]

Putting someone's words back into their mouth pog

[mental matrix]

gas lighting popping off today fr fr

[pallid notch]

Evidence 1) you dont like it

[barren ingot]

Yea it’s a Terrible idea

[pallid notch]

Evidence 2) you thought it could be removed

My case stands, either way if you dont like the way they are taking the game feel free to develop one of your own and go wild 🙂

[barren ingot]

That’s out of context. You said it’s always been in the game. (Not useable) I said just because it’s in the game doesn’t mean it can’t be removed

[mental matrix]

eh i mean it CAN be removed

[pallid notch]

HOW is that out of context

[barren ingot]

Multiclassing has never been a thing that we could use since PT1. Therefore it’s never been implemented in the game. It’s probably aways been a concept but that’s as far as it’s gone

These things can be removed at any time

[raven ether]

No one else is talking about false bans on here, it happens a lot more than you would expect.

[soft pumice]

hows dark and darker getting on? havent played since the warlock got the hydra minion. thinking about jumping back in but dont know what state its in

[digital dock]

If it were a state it would be California.

[fervent canyon]

what day this week is the wipe?

[frank dust]

late on the 15th i think

[fervent canyon]

okejj , thx!

[soft pumice]

can you elaborate in non american measurements

update: my american friend has assured me thats not a good thing

[woeful plume]

Can we do away with the 'basecamp' please? It serves no good purpose.

[frank dust]

planned to be scrapped. Assets from it will be utilized in guild halls in the future though apparently

[woeful plume]

Converting to guild halls...good idea.

[frank dust]

I mean right now it's kinda gotten stale, but it is the end of a 4 month wipe (thankfully in the future wipes will be much shorter), so that's no big surprise

[soft pumice]

what about actual state of the game, new content etc - last i remember they added was that golem in the ruins

i also heard about an ice map?

[pallid notch]

Your best bet is to wait until wipe in a few days to hop back in, currently its end of wipe juice fest and only 1 map

[woeful plume]

After the wipe might be a good time to hop back on and check things out.

[soft pumice]

hows general game health tho? does it still feel good to play, ignoring those issues of it being end of wipe - also do we know whats coming with the new wipe?

[frank dust]

Well aside from class additions and changes they added an ice map, marketplace, and a few new perks, skills, and weapons. I'm probably not the best to answer this question since I've only been playing since December but i'm afraid of people saying "they did literally NOTHING in these past months.... dead game...." and giving you the wrong impression

[soft pumice]

marketplace was always in the game no?

also sounds good that theyve just been slowly adding to it with perks and things - any new class?

also how is the ice map? is it polished or fleshed out at all or in beta stages

[frank dust]

we know what to expect and what not to expect. There was a dev QnA just yesterday on onepeg's channel with a transcript, but idk if i'm allowed to link either of them

[soft pumice]

could you dm it to me?

[frank dust]

No new class this season nor at the start of wipe, but Druid is planned to release sometime next season

Trading was in the game but not a full-on marketplace, it's much much easier to use since you just list something and forget about it and not have to actively advertise and barter.

I think Ice Map is good and was used to test and showcase new extract methods and an alternative to the swarm circle. I think it looks nice and the enemies all have to be kited slightly differently which helps it feel fresh. There are some issues where enemies aggro way too easily though. I'm sure it'll be polished up well enough by the time it gets its second floor

[soft pumice]

ok sounds good thanks

[swift trail]

is the patch released on the testservers already?

[frank dust]

no

[fair bluff]

For anyone who did not watch the discussion with onepeg here you go :

TLDW:
Multiclass system

• leveling up multiple classes gives perks from other classes 3 GIVEN AT RANDOM,; ONE TO CHOOSE to equip
• when leveling up first class you will unlock things like " agility master +3 agility, longbow master (ability to use longbow +1 longbow dmg)"
• basecamp is removed to cut back on teamers finding each other in the beginning.
• druid delayed
• technical problems solved
• solo is 3x3 GC
• duo is Ice caverns
• trio is Crypt / Inferno
• ^^ the above is because players were split into 3 person games over last 2 months instead of 12 - 16 person due to queue splits
• Ruins is being worked on until they add it back to Crypts to make it Ruins / Crypts / Inferno. Express item bank service in between levels will be added to minimize storage issues during 3 level dungeons.
• Goblin Merchant will eventually have an "item retrieval service (IRS)" (costs money) that can find gear that was NOT looted from your dead body in the most recent game
• Killing players will result in MUCH MORE AP gained than currently. (To cut back on teamers). They want to reduce the AP gained on items to a more normal format.

I hope this helps y’all 🙂
WIPE FRIDAY (prolly at night)

[hasty bluff]

they're killing the game, sad to see

[fair bluff]

Disagree. Content over balance is needed. Balance should be done after all content is added

[hasty bluff]

taken wayyy too long to wipe the server

[fair bluff]

Hotguy they r 15 ppl and dont have the resources to wipe at season end

[hasty bluff]

this season has lasted for how many months?

[fair bluff]

They said in the future the season will not be longer than 90days

This was a test. It was the first real season

[hasty bluff]

and then they extended it for how long?

unfortunately, the updates that were supposed to take place in this limbo have been pretty lackluster

[fair bluff]

Yes to fix technical issues. They have been gettin ddos’d since release

@hasty bluff then dont play if ur not having fun

[hasty bluff]

i understand, the issue is with how long its taken. The buzz from this game has fallen off a cliff

I haven't. Got demigod a couple months ago and then just waited

[fair bluff]

They are advertising on twitch as a company now

Okay good for you. Wipe is friday. I havent played since September

[hasty bluff]

only thing that saves this playerbase at this point would be launching on steam

[fair bluff]

Steam is whatever and still WIP

[hasty bluff]

so you haven't had any interest in the game either

[fair bluff]

theyre adding a gifting code system so ppl can gift for friends that arent buying cuz steam issue. Yes i havent but the update looks fun and i have faith in them as i have in the past

[hasty bluff]

would love for the game to succeed, but unfortunately it seems like they didn't have enough resources.

[fair bluff]

Besides the steam reasoning is stupid. Other games have their own clients without issue

[hasty bluff]

the game would be far more popular if it were on steam. That's a fact

[tardy sandal]

The game would have extremely unpopular as its rating too

[hasty bluff]

because of the lawsuit?

[tardy sandal]

Because of the rogues

[hasty bluff]

whats wrong with rogues?

[fair bluff]

God the steam thing has to be the most normie concern ever, havent yall played minecraft

[hasty bluff]

normie concern? you're comparing minecraft to dark and darker? Minecraft is an exception, not the rule

[fair bluff]

Minecraft is a standalone launcher that is extremely successful. Also on the rogue comment they are reworking Hide completely

[hasty bluff]

so you think that it's very common for standalone games to have minecraft level success lol?

that's like. Well bill gates dropped out of college. You should too

[serene mesa]

PLEASE do not release this absolutely cursed multiclass system

[barren ingot]

The worst possible thing they could have done. It’s going to cause more balance issues than what’s it’s worth

[serene mesa]

it's actually over this time I think I'm gonna skip this wipe

[barren ingot]

It’s not looking good that’s for sure. I’ll still play it but not sure if it’s gonna last more than a month tbh. Could be wrong but not very optimistic about this season

[silent rose]

Why? Don't you wanna play Barb with longbow mastery, double jump and ambush??

[serene mesa]

what do you mean my survival bow ranger with sprint and smite is overpowered? are you some kind of Nexon shill?

[silent rose]

LMFAO.. Foreal, if they release this, the balance in the game will be officially DEAD... They reworked Ruins, Gob caves and crypts, only to remove ruins 2 days later, give us back OLD maps, and keep the "Coming Soon" sign on druid for another year and a half.. Clearly, progress is being made..

[deft sonnet]

Just need them to drop druid and continue focusing on reworking maps and already established classes ngl

[scarlet stirrup]

Yeah it's absolutely crazy how many issues the games has with map design and overall structure on top of class balance... and the devs undertake a massive new feature like multiclassing that will surely lead to more issues when no one was asking for it? Devs treat this game like a school project just randomly experimenting with ideas on a whim with zero forethought. Getting laughable how they refuse to listen to people when it comes to the maps.

[hasty gazelle]

the money go where i go

[warm moss]

Im askin for it

[scarlet stirrup]

Saying you like the idea after they announce it is not the same thing as you asking for it. I'm looking back and I'm not seeing you having made any posts in this discord asking for it sorry, you're wrong there.

[warm moss]

🤓

Nah but in seriousness it should bring longevity at least

I can definitely see a perma banner on “so and so perk disabled due to blah blah blah” basically all the time

Victory strike disabled due to being combined with blow of corruption doing 999 damage or something lul

I sunk many hours into DBD just for the purpose of bringing my perks to my other characters and trying new combinations, it’s a feature I enjoyed in that game and I’m excited to get the same feeling of progression/experimentation

The game definitely needs another way to “level up” or prestige

[median dew]

Multiclassing? really? You are trying WAY too hard to be dungeons and dragons while also being a PvPvE extract game. Most DMs in D&D don't even allow multiclassing because it takes away from class identity and makes the game infinitely more complex than it needs to be. If you truly want to be like dungeons and dragons, why are you adding a niche mechanic that most people don't even use before class archetypes? OR THE DRUID? Is the codebase that bad that it takes multiple months to add a single class? Is it the spell vfx? surely it's not the meshes, considering everything else has been ripped from the asset store. Honestly Ironmace, wtf are you guys doing?

[frank dust]

I think having a class whose entire identity is transforming into animals would be more complex to add than most. They said they have the actual hard content for Druid down, they're just polishing the class to a point that makes them fun to use

[coarse badge]

Druids is currently being finessed by a graphic guy. Different person than who would be doing map design.

[coarse badge]

Exactly, it’s all the graphic guys job to get the models for the individual animals refined.

[coarse badge]

They said they’re custom making Druid forms

[frank dust]

Its different people working on different things yeah. They have balance people, class people, and map people. This is like when people complain that a game is focusing too much on cosmetics instead of adding new items or whatever: they're different departments that obviously put things out at different rates (there isn't much issue in adding a new hat or skin, a lot of things can go wrong with rebalancing or adding new weapons or whatever)

[median dew]

I'm truly concerned. This has been my favorite game of all time. The simplicity of going into a dungeon, bonking some mobs and stealing loot from nerds is fun. It's genuinely just fun. Archetype skill/talent trees would have been the move. Instead, you're again trying to overcomplicate things. Remember in playtest 5 when you added ruins, no one liked it, so you took it out? Developing a game isn't just about adding things. You need to cut the bad things too. Players want content in the form of more room modules, more monsters, more bosses, more gear, more spells, more classes. Not multiclassing.

And to the dude above me saying that transforming into animals is hard, i 100% agree. Depending on how they have the players set-up in-game, it could be a huge pain. But the fact that wrlock transformation is already done leads me to believe that is not the thing taking the longest. If the druid visuals are what is holding the class back, then time management at the studio is extremely poor. It does not take multiple months to make a few high-quality meshes (the base of which are probably purchased from the asset store), and spell VFX takes a week at most.

[coarse badge]

Exactly

[frank dust]

like I said and like what was said in the QnA, the druid class is technically done, they're just polishing it

[west gulch]

man this game has no STYLE

[median dew]

I'm saying all of this as a guy who has worked on games in the past. I'm mostly familiar with unity, but dabbled with unreal. I'm telling you right now that there has to be something or someone at Ironmace who is making things churn at a snails pace. Once you have base content, it is not hard whatsoever to continue adding content. The codebase is already there, it just needs to be expanded upon. Visuals should be worked on from the very beginning, and should never be the bottleneck for completing content.

I'm not even complaining about the rate of content either, i'm upset with the priority of content.

[frank dust]

It's not the visuals lol, its the gameplay they're polishing. The devs have explained that a lot of the issues internally have been due to focusing on server issues, illness, combating cheaters and DDoS attacks, etc.
I think the priorities are fine enough. Trickle in new weapons and perks alongside hotfixes, add in new big content like Ice Caverns and marketplace while assuring and teasing the things that are in the near future like druid and the new various game changing merchants they've talked about

[median dew]

Keep saying that as the player base dries up. If you think there will be 90k players on after wipe like there was a few weeks after launch, you're mistaken.

[frank dust]

Well the devs are expecting the playerbase to about double on wipe. I don't expect a non-steam game like this to do all that well, but even just ~15k is incredibly impressive given the circumstances. I think this game will do just fine

[wooden thunder]

@median dew , I think it's an issue of split focus and lack of resources. They mentioned that the animator has only been working on the visuals from the players perspective for like 2-3 weeks, and it's 1 person doing all the animation work.

They desperately need a senior project manager to come in and help them focus their priorities. You can have 100 perfect ideas, but if you can't execute on any of them then they are all worthless.

[wooden thunder]

Highest I saw this season was 14,000 in game and 12,000 in lobby. If that doubled that'd be amazing

[median dew]

You're absolutely right. I had to pick up animating rapidly and it was the hardest thing I've ever done and wouldn't wish it upon anyone, so I can completely understand that. I just think this multiclassing system is a huge mistake.

Mars, the current playerbase is around 5k people. If it doubles to 10k after having around 200k on launch, that's not really a good thing.

[frank dust]

idk if they mean the peak of the season or the average of the season or just the player count around wipe, but that's what all their previous data suggests. or so they say.

[median dew]

I also imagine that a lot of people were planning to come back to the game because of new content. But once those players realize the only thing waiting for them is some extremely large headache inducing multiclass grind, they'll uninstall.

[wooden thunder]

Agreed that Multiclassing is either going to be a massive surprise fun mechanic or else destroy this game. I never desired having Barbs rush me with Sprint + BoC... it dissolves the relevance of choosing a class in the first place.

At that point just remove classes and let people combine whatever they want I guess.

I'm truly concerned this game could die because of multiclassing as they've described it.

[frank dust]

i severely doubt that they'll let you choose ANY skill on ANY class, it just wouldn't make any sense

same for perks: imagine slayer on a rogue or barbarian: practically free +5 damage

[wooden thunder]

So far it sounds like it's that which is why we're all concerned lol the info so far is pretty much "You get 3 randomly selected skills/perks/spells from the other mastered class"

[median dew]

It's a relic from dungeons and dragons. Ironmace is trying way to hard to rip everything from D&D, and they need to stop. Multiclassing lets you choose from multiple classes in dungeons and dragons, and like i said before, most dungeon masters don't even allow it because they don't want to track the thousands of different BROKEN COMBOS you can do with it. I just can't wrap my head around why they would add multiclassing instead of archetypes. If they are really trying to stay true to D&D, why aren't they adding the subclass archetypes to the already existing classes?

[hollow kindle]

As a new player I feel like priority should be tuning combat and movement, current classes and maps, not trying to make that stuff more complicated by adding multiclassing/more classes.

[wooden thunder]

After level 20 each new level will take the same amount of xp. Basically if your fighter gets to level 100 you are a master fighter and can teach each new character on your account all those fighter skills. We want to incentivize people to build up multiple characters and classes.

From the Q&A ^

[median dew]

welcome, hope you stick around. And you're right.

[hollow kindle]

I would like to! But I am finding the movement system in this game hyper punitive lol

[median dew]

when fighting mobs, walk sideways away from them instead of backwards lol.

[wooden thunder]

It'll make sense after like 10-20 runs @hollow kindle . It's a bit novel, but once you get it down it's cake 😄

[frank dust]

I think the core movement and combat are fine. I don't want this game to turn into mordhau or something lol

[hollow kindle]

Yeah, I am still learning! Everything feels a little.. Sluggish maybe? idk how to put it yet

[sage flower]

I've been playing for a hot minute, and I'm still terrible at the game lmao

[sullen vector]

rogue is fine idk why they are changing hide

rogue isnt even strong

[sage flower]

I think it's cause of the "landmine" playstyle? Like where boom rouge in your face and you're dead

[valid storm]

When exactly is the wipe?

[frank dust]

well we don't know how they're changing hide. If it's just adding sneak to basekit then that's perfectly fine. We just won't know until its released

[wooden thunder]

Yep, that's expected. Especially if you play tankier classes and gear.

If you swap to Rogue and put on some Movement speed gear you'll be like "wow I'm flying"

[wooden thunder]

March 15th by end of day GMT

[sullen vector]

any change to what it is now is just not going to make it hide you know what i mean?

[frank dust]

I think adding sneak to basekit will still make it hide lol. Or even just partially adding it

[sullen vector]

at most you maybe can see him if he is moving. like seeing the air move

[wooden thunder]

Imagine if Rogue's auto-hide after like 5 seconds of no combat and it's permanent until you take an action or are bumped into / revealed 😄

[frank dust]

that'd be very silly, especially if you have full range of movement

[sullen vector]

lol teemo passive

[hollow kindle]

Any general advice for combat? It feels like I am dying in less strikes than my enemy lol

[sage flower]

I think the pickpocketing should also be baked into the core Rouge class personally

[manic walrus]

So let me get this straight. February wipe STILL hasn't happened yet???? Wtf are they doing

[sullen vector]

make sure you hit first. bait attack then commit with tempo advantage. also use range before commit

[wooden thunder]

Where you hit is important. Headshots 2x damage, body is base, and arm/leg is like 25%

This applies to monsters and players ^

[sage flower]

Focus more on not taking damage than dishing it out (at least for monster)

[sullen vector]

you will normally almost always win a fight if you hit first.

[wooden thunder]

Unless you're a rogue against a 200hp barb. You'll hit him 8 times, he'll hit you once, he wins lol

[sullen vector]

ah yes lets compare extremes

[wooden thunder]

Was just jesting 😄

[sage flower]

Cheese is your best friend from what i've found

[hollow kindle]

Appreciate it!

[vocal bramble]

ranger/rogue will be a demon landmine im telling you now, no one survives 5 multi shot arrows all with the ambush proc extra dmg when barrel stuffed in the back of their head with backstab 30% dmg buff

what is balance

[wooden thunder]

Didn't even think about backstab. Barb with BoC + Backstab + shout hitting for 300dmg lol

[frank dust]

tbf barbarian is very popular, especially in solos

[sullen vector]

yeah im a barb main. so disgusting

legit switch from a rogue main to barb after that exact scenario

[sullen vector]

.

[valid storm]

Who you guys think are the strongest classes right now for solo

[barren ingot]

Barb and fighter

Bard is also good solo but high skill cap since you are squishy if they get ontop of you

[valid storm]

Also is there somewhere to see all upcoming changes for wipe

I saw they linked onepeg twitch but I missed that

[carmine ocean]

That barb in rogue chat also only has 30% power bonus he ain't 1tapping shit either.

[barren ingot]

For anyone who did not watch the discussion with onepeg here you go :

TLDW:
Multiclass system

• leveling up multiple classes gives perks from other classes 3 GIVEN AT RANDOM,; ONE TO CHOOSE to equip
• when leveling up first class you will unlock things like " agility master +3 agility, longbow master (ability to use longbow +1 longbow dmg)"
• basecamp is removed to cut back on teamers finding each other in the beginning.
• druid delayed
• technical problems solved
• solo is 3x3 GC
• duo is Ice caverns
• trio is Crypt / Inferno
• ^^ the above is because players were split into 3 person games over last 2 months instead of 12 - 16 person due to queue splits
• Ruins is being worked on until they add it back to Crypts to make it Ruins / Crypts / Inferno. Express item bank service in between levels will be added to minimize storage issues during 3 level dungeons.
• Goblin Merchant will eventually have an "item retrieval service (IRS)" (costs money) that can find gear that was NOT looted from your dead body in the most recent game
• Killing players will result in MUCH MORE AP gained than currently. (To cut back on teamers). They want to reduce the AP gained on items to a more normal format.

[valid storm]

Thanks

Multi classing being random kinda deals with the fear people have IMO

[gusty kindle]

multiclass sounds like the dad killer

[smoky fractal]

why seems kinda fun

[valid storm]

Wait, is it an additional 4 perks?!

You get the 4 perks from the class you are using then 3 random ones and one you chose from the classes you’ve mastered?

[smoky fractal]

i dont think we really know yet we will have to see

[wooden thunder]

This google doc is the full Q&A transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zU6bkVFXCY1z6qn39ZOL5_DEEInfhf_k77ssgu8ebjE/preview

Balance and other changes will likely be announced in #📢announcements when they wipe on March 15th

@pale minnow , thanks for writing up that transcript

[gusty kindle]

game already struggles with balancing and this seems to add a lot of complexity to the stat system. also this comes in a bad timing imo, since we had other expectations, like the druid, new map, further improving on balancing. but i guess well have to see, maybe this new system is cool.

[velvet shard]

If they open the arena it would be great for balancing data— obviously it can’t really replicate landline rouges well but it would help

[wooden thunder]

My biggest concerns with it are:

• Balancing is already difficult as-is
• Increased complexity on understanding the nuances of the game
• Increase in unforeseen absolutely broken builds
• Less class identity/meaning.. "Oh there's a Barb coming, I can do XYZ...oh he's shooting a fireball at me wtf"

Only takeaway to consider I guess is this is all still early access and they deemed the multiclassing as an experimental feature, so it could go away if it sucks 🤷‍♂️ I think most players at this point want the game to be refined like it's near 1.0, with far less chaotic mid-season shifts in how the game works.

[gusty kindle]

maybe im wrong but i dont think ull be able to acquire skills from other classes, only perks. which still, would mean a barb wielding a longbow or a windlass, which would basically be a barret m82 anti-material rifle

[dense forum]

My biggest concern is that 90% of casuals have already quit and this is going to keep them away. The remaining 4k concurrent actives will burn out slower but steadily until that's all she wrote folks.

[deft sonnet]

The point still stands, i didnt only talk about maps

[muted verge]

When talking about multiclassing he used the term skills and abilities. This will 10000% going to break the game. Also the ppl who just played one class rip.

[dense forum]

I remember last night when you were in here talking about how this multiclassing was great and defending the devs and calling us all d oomers. Wtf changed?

[muted verge]

I never said I watchted the q/a. I wait until the text file drops to read over it. That being said I knew it would break the game anyway but this shit is just way worse than I imainged it would be.

[dense forum]

LOL

[valid storm]

So we are unsure if multi classing is 4 or 8 perks. If it’s only 4 with 3 at random I see no issue with balance. If it’s 8 then wooooo its@gonna be fun

[dense forum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/989065417161048084/1216983403841327104

akshually u shud wait until a week after wype bcuz u r just doomer how can u kno t his will be bad until u see it actually happn

u shud wait until gaem akshually ded before u say it is bad

[muted verge]

I think pre 100 you can send perks for multi classing to other chars. After 100 you can start sending abilities. "There will be milestones after the master level 100 which give you a learning token that lets them select something from all the other masters on your account. Its a bit of a roguelike in the sense that each new learning token gives you 3 random abilities from another master class. "
Hope this is just misunderstanding and abilities are off the table.

[dense forum]

I wish I was as dumb as you, life would be so mysterious and intriguing.

[muted verge]

ok it's not my fault the devs use terms like skills/abilities and English is their second language. So it's within reason someone with a brain to think this is a miscommunication to some degree.

[dense forum]

Is English your second language? Or what is your excuse?

In the UI example that Terrence gave Onepeg, it clearly states that after reaching level 100, you'll unlock tokens, each of which can be redeemed for class perks AND abilities.

https://preview.redd.it/class-master-system-v0-pwcaici8ctnc1.png?auto=webp&s=637eb317cab2cb33919b7a49f5eb07431e4b20dd

[surreal marlin]

Damn my boy is coming out swinging lmao

[muted verge]

No I didn't have this UI in what I was reading. Not sure why you're so hostile not everyone is looking at the same info.

[dense forum]

This not you, broski? https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/989065417161048084/1216983403841327104

You spent all last night complaining that people were dumb for pointing out issues with the multi-classing system when you apparently 1) hadn't even read a text synopsis of what we were discussing and 2) didn't even see the source material.

And now, today, you're a born again genius who finally starts to think that Well maybe it's actually kinda broken - Only you can't tell if the devs have miscommunicated... because you are still ignorant.

And now, finally, you put the pieces together, because I had to be your private tutor.

[muted verge]

You're one of those I see. I still stand by what I said. Looking at this on paper is meaningless. For all I know and you for that matter is this sytem could be great after being palyed test or it could be dog water. Game is not dead and never will be dead until wipes no longer spike population and steam release failed. This is EA I expect mistakes to be made. This might be one of them who knows.

[limber badge]

[dense forum]

If I was as dense as you, I would be unable to reason out basic implications too, so I see where you're coming from.

[muted verge]

what are you 19 think you know everything. You look at a book cover and say yeah this a s h i t book?

[raven ether]

its kinda dookie

[signal osprey]

why does everyone complain about balancing when the games still in beta?

[muted verge]

Yeah idk anyone with a brain knows you have to test things before you call it bad. Things can look bad like in this case and end up being great.

[tepid void]

Cause deep down theyre mad theyre not always winning

[velvet shard]

Lmao yeah and the complaints in question aren’t even out yet

[twilit plank]

when is the wipe?

[signal osprey]

this game has so much planned for the future that i think its a huge mistake to make balancing a forefront issue when the balance will be changed after every content update. Why waste time on huge balance changes when the game isnt even 25% completed

[muted verge]

Exactly that's looking at it from a devs perspective. Which more ppl should be doing. Really my only issue with the multiclass system plan is I fear players who player more and palyers who are lucky will have even more advantage over casuals. Used to be just gear advantage but now it will be gear plus mixing the best perks/abilities.

[signal osprey]

yeah i dont see an issue with that personally its not a battle royale its supposed to be en extraction game with progression. theres the forsaken normals mode for all the battle royale kids isnt that good enough?

[muted verge]

True and arena plus matchmaking should help sort player advantage out. Again we will only really know once we play it. Anyone who says otherwise is a doomer lacking brain cells.

[worldly wave]

Probably already said but, nerfing the ability to equip throwables by adding an equip timer is absolutely trash. As a barb player (mind you I don't bring stacks on stacks like others) having no range vs skilled ranger wizard even fighter is a death sentence. If you're gonna nerf throwables then give barbs a gap closer. and don't say rage cuz that's was nerfed to the ground. Maybe adding knockback resist to an ability like crush makes sense to me.

[sage flower]

the 15th if im not mistaken

[twilit plank]

thanks bruthr

[forest fog]

hey guys check this reddit post out!!!!! what do you all think ALOT of people say its impossible do you think a blindfolded kill is anywhere NEAR doable??!?!? https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1bbobj1/is_this_even_possible/

[marsh loom]

get better

[blissful fern]

90% would disagree with you. Throwables had become the best ranged options.

[sage flower]

Anyone got any tips for a crossbow build? I realize it might be toxic, but having a windless crossbow basically be a 50. BMG sounds like a fun time

[ripe fossil]

whens wipe?

[vital umbra]

PVE mode would bring back a ton of casuals who are run off by all the giga-chad meta build streamers.

[wild marlin]

then how will timmy stompers get their dopamine rush

[surreal marlin]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres
Made a suggestion (if you’d like to talk about it I’d suggest texting in #suggestion-discussion )

[mighty mauve]

ew. no

[muted verge]

I think it will be better than you think in game. You 6 belt slots so you could have 3 or more with throwing axes. if you have to dig into your bag for more than I think its fair to have timer.

[vital umbra]

the gameplay loop if fun, but casuals can't compete with giga-chad streamers who play 12 hours a day.
Normals is not the answer. now with AP in normals, there gonna by giga-chads in there now.
any gameplay with PVP, means I can't play with my two friends who suck at the game.
We just wanna vibe and dungeon crawl. not be paranoid gazells at the waterhole

[vital umbra]

opening inventory should not be possible while moving.
max of 1 set of throwables should be limit. the range meta on this game is facts and needs to be fixed

[muted verge]

You won't be going against those streamers. After a few days the 1 % will be several tiers ahead of us and we shouldn't be matched with them.

[vital umbra]

normally sure, but we've seen in the last few weeks, people smurfing their account so they end up in lower lobbies and trading gear to their other accounts to roll lower lobbies
PVE mode is the only way I could play with my bad friends and actually have fun.

[muted verge]

I wouldn't judge the last few weeks at all. Ppl are bored out of their mind waiting for wipe and doing all kinds of weird stuff. Once wipe hits everyone's focus will be directed at advancement especially the top players. Your friends will get better the more they play.

[vital umbra]

yeah, you are right, but unfortuable,y they dont play enough to get gud. I already tried to tell them that.
They are full casuals but we love the gameplay loop. Ending up playing Torchlight 2 so we can get a similar expirence and hang out together

[wild marlin]

i have the same problem

[muted verge]

they prob won't like it but arena mode might help them improve faster at zero risk of losing stuff. Assuming arena mode doesn't require our own gear.

[vital umbra]

they wont, they aren't hardcore gamers like me. I used to go hard in CoD back in the day, they aren't like that at all. they like single player games and just chillin.

[muted verge]

Yep I have those friends as well. I just play no pvp games with them lol.

[cosmic saffron]

The game isn’t designed with your buddies in mind, it’s a pvp focused extraction game

[vital umbra]

That's pretty much where im at, but we like the gameplay loop

[river musk]

what abilities should i run as warlock i dont get it

[hardy harbor]

game not dead? have they even dropped talent tree yet? KEKW

[formal moon]

Game is dead, and they started digging the whole yesterday's dev interview

[signal pumice]

Can someone give me a quick recap what they told in the interview? Or is there already a summary online?

[hardy harbor]

very sad to hear, almost two years for a talent tree is not acceptable imo, where can i see interview?

[polar talon]

level unlocked to 100, no map rotation for now its the standard, Multiclasses coming, no druid at the wipe, wipe progress will be slower, they will focus more on quality than content for the next months

[muted verge]

We haven't tested it yet. It's EA and even if things are bad something good still can come out of it. Not like everything is set in stone.

[polar talon]

ahh and no more lobbies to inspect peoples

[fervent lantern]

my migrated log in creds arent working on blacksmith, it says theres no account associated with this email

[formal moon]

@muted verge Yes, but thats mostly just a copium response.

A kin to, I think the girl likes me. While at a strip club

[charred scaffold]

This multiclassing sounds like an absolute shit show lol.

[muted verge]

If this was full release and not EA I would agree.

[formal moon]

Ya it's just chores designed to force players to drop time in the game. As opposed to make content

[formal moon]

Thats that copium, 1 year of massively L updates. Who cares if it's EA the devs are clueless and choosing the worst choices

I think it's so funny when ppl say, ya but it's EA.

How come the game was better in alpha lmfao. More than a year ago

[muted verge]

I wouldn't be here right now if they didn't come out with the marketplace and I'm prob not alone on that one. SO it's not all L there's been a big W recently in my eyes.

[formal moon]

That's because you give out participation trophies and dub them W. While at the same time they give you chores and ruin the new player experience AND make the game even sweatier.

[digital dock]

The lobbies are not for inspecting people, that is the neanderthal brain layer of it. The real reason is to watch the people franticly inspecting others and judge them from across the lobby for trying so hard.

[formal moon]

The lobby thing is really pointless and was only done because the game is dead and they don't want it to be so obvious

[muted verge]

Lol participation trophy? Umm no I legit wouldn't ever touch this game again if not for the marketplace so no that's not a participation trophy and I know there's thousand's who prob feel the same way about the old trash trade system. Talk about a huge waste of time. For the rest like multiclass system yeah I see un godly amount of flaws. However I'm fully aware that EA means we're part of the develompent process. We tell them what is dog water and what is good. They will make changes. Just like they have always done. They never wanted a solo mode gues what they gave it to us and I still don't like that choice because it makes it harder to balance. However I know it's good for the games player base. The whole point of EA is for the community to help the devs. So yea voice your opinion on how it sucks once you play it.

[jade nexus]

Are we getting the Frost Wyvern? I was promised a Frost Wyvern

[void lantern]

Why "forsaken"? I feel like you're taking a stab at normals and those who enjoy it, but I don't understand why.

[wooden thunder]

Not at wipe. It's in progress with Ice Abyss

[wild marlin]

they hate casual players

[jade nexus]

But they said it was going where the treasure pile already is, soooo why do they need the Abyss first

[formal moon]

The implementation of GC has directly caused more people to leave the game than join. The balance was always bad and GC showed every Timmy they never had a chance and the teams had nothing to do with it

[signal osprey]

Because that whole part of the game is a battle Royale with extraction mechanics sprinkled in.

[jade nexus]

They basically delayed wipe for 3 weeks for no reason at all. They have added nothing

[wooden thunder]

Oh, hadn't heard that. Always thought Ice Abyss would be the down map and the Wyvern the big baddie of the down map

[formal moon]

Devs have proven they completely lost the plot

[void lantern]

And that's a bad thing? Why, just because that's not to his taste? Normals is so much more skill based.

[muted verge]

I want to know where you're getting that data from because here recently devs talked about removing duos not solo and that is based of player base data. Thankfully due to pushback the decided not remove duos. Now personally I just have GC and i would rather the game just be trio and we can que into it as solo or duo.

[signal osprey]

Yes cuz now you have to support and update 2 separate genres. Game was better when it was an extraction game, now it's plagued by battle Royale mechanics

[jade nexus]

They finally admitted it was due to server costs on the podcast. Not surprising

[formal moon]

From the fact that solos has a large portion of farmers on top of every update/wipe/patch. Since the short spike. Has been a large decrease in players

[muted verge]

So they just recently said they were removing duoe just soly based on cost nothing to do with player count?

[jade nexus]

They tried to blame player count again, but then said "also we have to pay for each instance, so it makes sense financally to do this"

[graceful swallow]

Yet they forced that on themselves with constant updates that do jack shit for the game

[formal moon]

That interview shouldn't have ever taken place. Massive L

[void lantern]

You're stating a subjective opinion as if it's fact. I think the BR mechanics are better, and if anything would ditch HR. Neither one of us is more "right" than the other.

[muted verge]

Hmm I could see that making sense at the end of the wipe if they were spinning up an instance for 2 players. I gues they decided to hold off as the wipe should fix that issue. But who knows duo is now ice caves not ruins so that's a problem. Guess we will have to wait and see how it plays and really depends how many ppl come back.

[formal moon]

This wipe will probably be an all time low

[graceful swallow]

Yeah not sure about that, Katie has hated zone since start as well as others.

[signal osprey]

No that's definitely wrong. Would be the actual downfall of the game. The game is inherently an extraction game

[jade nexus]

They delayed wipe 3 weeks for no reason causing a 50% decrease in players. They locked maps knowing there is a $5k tournament set to take place with massive free publicity, so now the tournament will be just Goblin Caves, and who wants to watch nothing but that all tournament? They are starting to look incompetent

[void lantern]

Who is Katie, and why does their opinion matter more than anyone else's? Unless they are a dev, I don't understand.

[signal osprey]

Yeah let's load into a match with nothing and loot stuff so we can not use it in the next match. Golden opinion

[muted verge]

FLip a coin. I think they will get the numbers they expect on wipe. No how fast it drops off is the big question.

[signal osprey]

I constantly complained about zone until we got ice caves I much prefer any mechanic over God forsaken br zone

[graceful swallow]

Say's the guy trying to tell Misthios his opinion is a minority lmao

[void lantern]

You do realize that all the top played games are like this, right? The vast majority of gamers prefer that style of gameplay.

[formal moon]

Once ppl realize you gotta deposit X hours in each class to be competitive. It's a wrap

[graceful swallow]

Did u relilize those games have atoxic community around it?

[signal osprey]

This game was pitched to only have a 10k concurrent player base. I am completely okay with the playing the minority game. All the children can go back to fortnite

[chrome fog]

are you insinuating that youre a grown man with a pfp saying butters empire

[graceful swallow]

Thats what I'm saying, early day of DnD we didn't have all these class's and abilities yet it was more fun then, than it is now.

[signal osprey]

It was leftover from my feeble attempt at a dropshipping store and my friend made the design I liked it. I usually just go by butter

[muted verge]

I said the same thing about the delay. Now we find out they all got the coof and shit. Shit happens prob just needed more time and while they prob should have communicated that they prob didn't' want to because discord is toxic.

[void lantern]

Why do you keep trying to be dismissive of those with different opinions? Calling them kids, calling normals "forsaken", saying "plagued by br mechanics". You don't have to attack it just because it's not your flavor.

[woven sail]

was it ever determined what we're supposed to be mutliclassing? perks/skills/both?

[graceful swallow]

Yeah they keep doing this to themselfs with constant changes that no one wants like smoke pot nerf like wtf did that accomplish?

[warped raft]

i said this from the start, server rentals are extremely expensive and this game is not going to be able to fund itself with the way they keep kicking all the paying customers in the teeth.

[signal osprey]

Because that's my opinion? In my opinion normals is the forsaken mode as well as the game being plagued by battle Royale mechanics as well as imo children enjoy battle Royale more than older people