game-discussion

[quaint tartan]

You say that
But people would still run it 100 percent
That goes to show how broken it is in it'd current implementation

[fervent lantern]

yeah i suppose so, thats fair i guess

[jaunty grail]

killed 2 lichs today didnt count them in the quest guys so be careful

[cunning summit]

why tf did i get legit 1 shot by centipede poison?

[hardy wolf]

How are you meant to prove pre teamers? fed up with it, and they've find a way to be hidden from the friend search, rogue and a barb, spectated both got there names and couldn't find them, said they didn't exist, Completely ruining the game, especially when you are getting Minus 450 points because of it.

[buoyant flint]

Anyone else see druid is on the runestone gloves required class

[wicked linden]

Does anyone know what d emigod ranked reward is

[somber kayak]

map rotation is great but mob density in solos is kinda stupid

[brave pond]

just dont agro everything at once, it gets better when you learn the spawns aswell

[inner thistle]

yeah, since this item is out

[astral vortex]

got into my first Tier 2? (Spooky red dungeon Dungeon) I had green weps but got my ass handed to me. What sort of gear should be expected for that level

[brave pond]

do you mean inferno or from ruins to howling crips, its a skill thing plenty of people can run through hell with grey gear (learning the cells and the attack patterns is even harder in hell however,)

[astral vortex]

No idea what it was called! I think i got there from the ruins though just went two dungeons deep! Many creatures ive never seen before in there

[rapid vapor]

It goes ruins, crypts, inferno. You don't necessarily need good gear for any of them, but for inferno you need to know what you're doing or have plenty of healing

[fervent lantern]

Doors are bugged in crypts, not opening even though the time was completed and door open sound triggered

[astral vortex]

ah was inferno then! tried to play it very slow but got rushed as a ranger and died in a few hits

[rapid vapor]

Most enemies in inferno are nightmare variants which have extra attacks or effects and deal a lot more damage

[hasty pawn]

does anyone know how to solve " failed to update pakchunk2001-Windows_0_P.pak (code: 0) ". I have this current issue today when I tried to update the game

[foggy herald]

U can die in that level with gold gear still lol

[wooden terrace]

just lost a 2.5k set because my game crashed

[low crypt]

[wooden terrace]

the money is not the biggest issue. Its that I spent an hour and a half finding the right pieces in trade chat

[lunar inlet]

The amount of times I've lagged and died to AI is alarming..

[rapid vapor]

is it intentional for arrows stuck in objects to block attacks?

[low crypt]

oh DAM that is unfortunate feels bad man

[visual burrow]

Are gold royal bowls worth anything?

[reef island]

Just sell to collector, royal gems however you should keep

[visual burrow]

Much appreciated

[rapid vapor]

shout out to the people who think their cheating is subtle when they are literally one shotting people regardless of where they hit

[gentle tartan]

yes it's and u can put trap on top of arrow

[fallen sorrel]

is the ap currently broken? i played 2 rounds got out with nearly 700+ but nothing changed?

[visual jolt]

range ban china, thank you

[solar sentinel]

Just tapped a golden mask rogue on a tablet from inside a bus using remote access to my PC, with a grey falchion.

Voyager is such a silly rank.

[solar sentinel]

It is already ping restricted you silly.

[solar sentinel]

You can do it in full greys, but like all other dungeons you need to learn the mobs, their attack patterns and so on. Think of it the same as red goblins whooping you in goblin caves soon after you started.

As you learn the mobs it'll be just as easy as the other pieces became.

[hollow lark]

what he said

pve improvement feels really good its just finding out black skeleton axe men swing twice the hard way feels really bad

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[solar sentinel]

What feels worse is already knowing his pattern but being ambushed by one making no sound in a dark corner that didn't agro until the moment you start to open the door.

That enemy spawn is literally evil, if you ever forget to check for the glitched skellie you dead.

[clear horizon]

Ironlagg add settings increase fps for shit pc hardware. this game shouldnt be that demanding. this aint AAA game , , this FPS game.

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[proper elk]

Hello! Is there somewhere I can learn more of where/how does the blue and red portals spawns? I'm quite confused if they're random or predetermined or a mix?

[glacial cape]

@proper elk They are random. Statics are fixed. You will have to listen for the spawns. It’s what I do.

[proper elk]

Thanks

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

fix stuttering

[rapid vapor]

They're sort of random. There are a bunch of possible spawns and the game picks them at random when they spawn

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[reef island]

Aren’t completely random, they have specific spots they can spawn but which are chosen randomly, final ring in gob caves has a blue

[heady parrot]

Just watch for the blue portal that spawns in a wall 😂 had one last night but was still able to use it

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[subtle cliff]

Just bring crypts back g-sus

[mighty meteor]

let me change my character name ffs

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[high depot]

We should get a temporary bag on down portals

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/N2Q9UEWokL

[unborn lichen]

so how do full plated people can run me down with no movement speed ? I have light gear and boots of speed

[ember carbon]

why cant i make a bigger coin purse?

[subtle heart]

just remove field rations from the game please

[unborn lichen]

to be perfectly honest if fighter can run forever field rations should be able to be gathered from food outside. or chance of harvesting from corpses of certain animals or beasts or bugs

[quick fern]

fix cheating rangers

[subtle heart]

Are potion of luck really worth it?

[rich jasper]

Guys i havent played game in a while and missed some patches, and now when im trying to update its stuck on 0%

[deft lintel]

Just wait. And if that doesn’t work after while, then shut down launcher and wait again after clicking update.

[unborn lichen]

potion of luck is actually really good. They last the entire game and you loot great stuff. 6-10 times I'll die with the loot but its fun to see. How do you know rangers are cheating.

[solar sage]

The devs refusing to buff the AP off player kills is so dumb its fascinating.

[loud bronze]

anyone else having an isue where they cant jump if they are moving? or rather the jump button seems to lock whatever movement action i was doing ie: if i hold space and move forward i cant stop moving until i let go of space

[gilded prairie]

Can't get in the game right now. My client freezes and crashes everytime I get into a game

[calm sierra]

does pot of luck stack with the crush perk for barbarian?

[plain hare]

IDK it has been nice not having comps literally trying to bypass all pve content to rush player spawns like in the pts. Now focusing on looting is a viable strat and you have to be strategic with how and when you decide to pvp now to balance your ap gain. Risk vs reward and now pvp is emergent content instead of the main focus

[hazy lintel]

Any place where you can price check legendaries?

[onyx valve]

Collector's Guild Discord has a Price Check channel

[haughty wyvern]

Is Poison Weapon still viable on Rogue?

[jolly wigeon]

Anyone else can't get into a game due to high latency?

[mystic fiber]

can you post it here I'm curious?

[coarse badge]

How do you know they’re cheating? I feel like I’ve been going crazy. I’ll be vibing (ie: hiding) in a random spot and get gatted down.

[indigo basin]

i just wish spiders had a decent collision

[gritty breach]

I don't wear deodorant and play ranger.

[graceful storm]

Rangers are the most cheated class because its less obvious when they have auto headshots on

[hazy lintel]

Is there a way to copy the last thing i typed in chat?

[light summit]

What is the golden key used for? Can it be used in duos and solo?

[frozen kite]

its worth gold for trading, that is all currently. You don't use them.

[broken wadi]

Does anyone else just get gangbanged when they play bard? because no one plays one and everyone needs the quest kills

[zinc tiger]

u misspelled barb

[hazy lintel]

If you control v you last message in trade post its not working so i have to manually click 10 items each time to advertise or anyone knows a way to make it easier.

[sturdy rune]

they should make it so spells regenerate uses after the hub, I had no idea and wasted nearly all my spells on my first match

[light summit]

Roger that!

[sullen kettle]

These laggy servers with the rubber banding and disconnects is really frustrating that it's STILL happening

[spring imp]

preach -fix the stuttering please

[shy narwhal]

So then what are golden keys actually worth using on?

[ember carbon]

can someone please tell me how to make a bigger bag or purse i dont see it in lether crafting

[shy narwhal]

You can make a coin bag for one troll pelt and four wolf pelts, not sure where it’s crafted though

[ember carbon]

yeah i know idk where to craft it i checked the lether guy but dont see it

[wanton shale]

Guys can anyone help me with installation error : "Update integrity check failed , try again " it keeps happening and i dont know why
Didnt know where to ask this so i put it here.

[pale pine]

why can i only play trio's?

[plain hare]

Just had a rogue absolutely demolish the lobby with poison wep, rupture and a hand crossbow with lots of mag DMG and wep spd

[rapid vapor]

You can still play other modes you have to change it in the map selection screen. It's at the top i think

[high depot]

We should get a temporary bag on down portals

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/N2Q9UEWokL

[cloud abyss]

love when its last zone, had no stutter or rubber banding at all the whole match, but last circle while using a blue portal, it turns me into monkey D luffey i guess, cus the rubber banding is HORREDNOUS

[deep mica]

this game is halfway unplayable because of the terrible ai

[graceful storm]

my entire team DC'd at the same time mid fight last night when we were winning : | lost all kits

[zealous linden]

stop playing until they fix it

[graceful storm]

plz hotfix server issues ironface plz

[zealous linden]

they dont care, stop playing until they fix it.

[sacred wigeon]

Hey, i just made a suggestion that i think is perfect for the type of game this is, just check it out! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/522167/the-maps-should-be-bigger-and-the-zone-should-not-exist

[kind anchor]

Would someone mind explaining how people does double memory (10 spells) on wizard. Do they bring a fuck ton of campfires to get spells back or do they simply only use spells in pvp?

[graceful storm]

You bring 1-2 campfires for emergency situations, and you just sit down whenever you need to get them back

[kind anchor]

thanks man

[boreal island]

campfires and pve with crystal sword yeah

[blazing pulsar]

so glad high roller is free, now i can get one tapped EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME without losing gold thanks!

[sullen kettle]

ThEy DoNt CaRe shut it dude you're not being helpful to anyone ever

[silk socket]

whats memory capacity for bc ive had it confused with the function of knowledge until about 2 seconds ago

[zealous linden]

well Im not an ironmace employee so I dont control the servers, sorry for the confusion

[sour basalt]

After you played in trios or duos, you have to manually change it back to solos. You do that in the map selection, at the top. iirc

[vapid arch]

skill issue

[sour basalt]

Memory capacity is more spell"slots". Same as knowledge, without the added bonuses. i'd say it's rarely, if ever, useful.

[wanton otter]

casting speed is tied to knowledge

[high grail]

gotta love a warlock doing 50 damage with a curse of pain

[blazing pulsar]

this is what happens when a great game is made by shit developers

[wanton otter]

shit take. :3

[graceful storm]

if youre a rouge, what is the best way to handle a barbarian or is there not one

[sullen kettle]

You don't tbh

[wanton otter]

U need to hit them 6+ times without being hit twice. In a vacuum there's no clear way to win. But if you can land ranged, double jump on unreachable surfaces, stealth to add mobs to them, and other stuff. Yeah it's tough. Requires more than it should. Hope they aren't full HP. :3

[graceful storm]

im getting really tired of trying to run solo and having good gear on, and then having a barb pop rage and run me down instantly chunking axes non stop. its not really fun and I feel like I have 0 chance because they more or less one tap me, even if they have no gear on, unless I notice them when they are a mile away, then sometimes I can escape.

[final wasp]

Guys as a warlock how can i dont lose life when j use spells like having more lifesteal than life used im new to the game and im dying couse of my skills XD

[wanton otter]

Smokepot or if u pog out a Caltrops will help in escape.

@final wasp There's a perk that prevents killin' yourself with your own spells, but I recommend using Torture mastery + Curses OR Hydra + Drain

[high grail]

anyone else having a bunch of teamers in their solo lobbies its getting annoying dying to people teaming

[final wasp]

I’ m using both perks of lifesteal but maybe my damage weapong is not high enough?

[graceful storm]

im about to go back to boring naked skele hide 9000 rouge, it just sucks I want to pvp but i have gotten ran down by giga chad barbed like 3 runs in a row down like 5000g feels baaad yall

[wanton otter]

Lifesteal only applies to Curses like Curse of Pain WITH torture mastery, or with the Drain spell. It's not an on-hit ability.

[rapid vapor]

When you say dying to teamers do you mean they're refusing to fight each other are they're obviously pre teaming

[high grail]

they are quite obviously pre teaming, but i also have people who refuse to fight and then i have to 1v2 still. Idk what can be done about it, but it really ruins the game

[quiet cargo]

In no world should a barbarian be able to chase a rogue down that shit is just stupid asf , he shouldnt be able to chase anyone down like that , you already have him with the highest health , the highest damage output and now you make a base barbarian faster than a rogue thats stupid asf

[rapid vapor]

Idk i havent run into many pre teamers but overall people in solos really do not want to fight, especially in lower ranks

[rotund pawn]

Wizards do like 60-70 with a zap…..

[limber badge]

Barbarian is quite over tuned right now. Buff ball is actually worse than ever lol

[high grail]

yeah all casters are in a weird spot with damage but atleast a zap has a smaller hitbox and doesnt suck health after it hits unless u have fire mastery

[pallid quarry]

Why isn't hand crossbow applying my poison weapon?

[steady forum]

what the hell is with this game. i have like 10 fun games in a row followed by 10 games of absolute shit spawns and spawn rushes back to back to back

[rotund pawn]

So you’d rather larger dmg then smaller dmg spread out? Wizards are alot harder to deal with than a Warlock and all range does that amount of damage so yea

[tardy kernel]

zap, my beloved...

[rotund pawn]

Zap is scary but not as scary as a Barb

[plain marsh]

How tf am I supposed to get 25 goblin cave extracts now

Also some of the solo spawns in crypts and he'll are broken and result in instant aggro

[tardy kernel]

Y'all how are we surviving inferno? I've gone down maybe 6 times now only to die in the first room and a half (Normal/High Roller, Either Solo or Duo usually)

[plain marsh]

High roller or normal? Solos duos trios?

@tardy kernel never underestimate the power of a shield. And avoid the big boi mobs. A shield will trivialize the nightmare skellies

@rotund pawn not with a heater shield

[rotund pawn]

Hr inferno is actually terrifying those ace men and spearman

[plain marsh]

The mobs you can't cheese you can still get stuck by trapping behind a door or making them lunge off a ledge

[rotund pawn]

I don’t play a class with a shield 😭 also doesn’t the axe go through the shield can’t it only be blocked by a buckler?

[tardy kernel]

You just gotta raise the shield higher/further out to catch the blade rather than the haft

[earnest plank]

When you click on the expand bank button it says RENT for 3000g. Does that mean the extra space is temporary?

[visual jolt]

I guess getting killed by Chinese cheaters last night on US East was only my imagination

[tardy kernel]

It's likely to be reset each wipe. We don't currently know how long it will be between wipes, and you'll likely lose all your stuff after a wipe anyhow, so it's still not a bad deal.

[gaunt crescent]

Can't boss, rubberbanding, every solo lobby teaming. Disgusting animal patients, where is your reporg button? dissapeared in smoke. Incapable company, incapably employee's, disgusting. Thank you for refund

[spring mesa]

[steady forum]

barbs are so op its dumb

[solar sentinel]

Then their pings aren't high enough to be restricted, also, are you sure those were chinese, and specially chinese cheaters? Since the panic started half the time i go trios with the brazilians on US west we repeat the same 3-4 sentences in mandarin we learned for this and people seeth so hard.

I specifically made a rogue named just a number string just to help on that meme.

[vocal bramble]

if you want to get it over with stack pots/meds/fireplaces and sit to static blue exit. youtube just recommended me medieval lofi beats

[lofty shadow]

Honestly what ive resorted too. I just get gunned down by a ranger who never gets within 25 ft of me

[plain marsh]

extracting isnt the problem. it's the fact that goblin caves appear 1/3 of the time

[lofty shadow]

As a fighter, i can confirm it sucks in ruins

[plain marsh]

what sucks in ruins. you dont even really need a campfire. 3 health potions and meditate and you can survive for minutes

[rapid vapor]

Cleric ratting has never been easier. Just do swarm stuff until you can go down where no one really is

[fringe hemlock]

Are they gone fix the DC

[vocal bramble]

I think it still counts even if you go in as a solo into a duo/trio que for goblins

[plain marsh]

thats not my point tho

[fresh swallow]

I haven't played for a month but I've heard that they've changed the game so the fights are longer. Meanwhile I'm getting oneshotting by Clerics/Fighters and Barbarians , while Rangers and Rogues deals 0 dmg

[solar sentinel]

i did that one by just going solo/duo/trio in rotation, mostly solo into all 3

[plain marsh]

good tip thanks

@vocal bramble i've got no trouble ratting my way out. the problem is that for every goblin caves rotation, there's 2 ruins rotations, so it's very time consuming to queue into that

i guess goblin caves matches are super short in solo

[vocal bramble]

im not sure I understand then my appologies

[sterile scroll]

why does the optimization of this game gets worse every updates icant play goblin caves anymore cause of that big room in the middle with the elevators

[lilac willow]

yo does anybody think this guys cheatinghttps://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/1PsaN3ddNF7KeU/d1337ckd02zc?invite=cr-MSxtSnYsMTkzMzg3MDg2LA

[solar sentinel]

Back when we had crypts there were only one caves rotation for every 2 other rotations(ruins and crypts) so nothing changed in the frequency of caves

[plain marsh]

True

[pallid tree]

@glad thunder if only this wasnt a laggy mess it would be enjoyable

[wise mason]

Do we know if crypts is gonna remain the the way it is cause idk about yall, but being able to choose this way feels way better than the old rotation

[subtle heart]

how is a bookworm wizard gonna start out with more hp and strength than a shady rogue who's been swinging daggers and swords most of his life ?

[fleet owl]

bruh my game lagged so hard and im just insta dead, this game should not be $30

[pastel dome]

When people say "ING" in trader, it means gold ingots or is it something else?

[zealous linden]

the game is unplayable from lag

[boreal island]

gold ingot yeah

[white sorrel]

Meanwhile, me, a wizard bonking people in the face with a staff and shooting them with a crossbow.

[subtle heart]

you've put more training into learning the arcane arts than i've put into perfecting my body to be a kill machine? you're a book worm

[white sorrel]

No books here, only big stick on fire. BONK

[plain marsh]

nobody likes ratting in ruins for 8 minutes to get into crypts ironmace

[subtle heart]

your damage comes from empowering your weapon with fire magic. you shouldn't start with more str and vigor than rogues cause you're not arnold schwarzenegger, i am usain bolt.

[pallid tree]

oh i know

[plain marsh]

if you want us to test out a specific game mode, give us incentive to run it. dont force us into that crap it's getting very very tedious to play this game

[subtle heart]

crypts was always meant to be under ruins in their head. they've been trying to do that since hotfix 5 but i agree crypts is too fun to play on it's own

[steady forum]

awesome. game crashed. come back and at 25% health in the storm. make it to safety only to be 1tap by a barbarian..... not like it would have mattered if i was 100% health anyways i guess

[plain marsh]

and i am still sitting behind my favorite barrel in the dark in ruins. top tier gameplay

[lofty shadow]

rubberbanded into a group of skellies on high roller, this was last time for me. its been a pleasure everyone. I might be back if i hear it gets fixed. Have a great life

[plain marsh]

awesome now that ive made it into crypts i am once again waiting for 2 minutes for the lobby to pop. there is a lot of waiting in your game IM

[brisk prism]

ok what is with the rampant teaming in solo ruins right now ? every game is 4/5 teamers running around killing everyone! its impossible to rank up in ruins playing legitimately... have to wait 1 hour for gc

[humble raft]

Fix longsword?

[solar sentinel]

Dropped to voyajer 3, killed 5 runs in a row by the exact same cleric throwing torches, i don't even know how to handle that

[final spruce]

IROOOOOOOOOOOOOON MAAAAAAAAAACE

people are not teaming, they are just friendly... just lost 800 ap in a row because i got disconnected from the server 3 times, i love this game and i wanna play but this is definitly not fun

[solar sentinel]

omfg i can't with this, being 3 shot by cleric torches what even is this shit

[final spruce]

you can just be friendly and gain a lot of ap

[idle sun]

Is anyone else having major lag issues? its been fine prior but today all i do is rubberband and die, or dc and die, either way

[solar sentinel]

its over for plate fighters with pdr torch clerics around, legit taking 50+ dmg per torch, can't believe i'll have to build MR not because of mages, but because of torch clerics

[final spruce]

feel ya

[solar sentinel]

If you're a ranger, if you're being caught by a bard you kinda deserve it. Also wiz and pdr fighters that eat up barbs, rangers should just outright stomp them. Apparently barbs are supposed to be good facing locks, rogues, bards and slayer fighters but i'm still 3 taping barbs with dagger rogue.

[steady forum]

the concept of the game is great but the follow through feels so bad. the only reason anyone can really do the HR Inferno is by cheesing everything. so its just a knowledge check kek

[fading root]

Rangers are in fucking diapers

[limber atlas]

I'm not against the tri-dungeon system completely except for that they got rid of Qing into Crypts. Also it feels weird to have that and only 1 layer for the goblin caves. GC 2nd floor coming when?

[mild sinew]

debuffs should go away when i go to deeper portal

[gleaming ibex]

I bet there'll be ogre/troll tunnels at some point

[pastel pier]

is there a map of updated goblin caves somewhere?

[fading root]

I genuinely have not had less fun with this game than this latest hotfix. The only 2 available full raid experiences (PvPvE) are the laggy tedious new GC, and the same old boring ONE LAYOUT of ruins.

Class balance has always been a mess, and I could always enjoy the game despite it, but not anymore. Both of the available layouts to play right now suck. All of the classes i find interesting are nerfed while the tanks are still out here one tapping me and hitting the speed cap. Its been a year, you guys made well over 20 million dollars. DO better.

[hasty bluff]

nah, feel like other classes are in decent spot

[opaque geyser]

pls IRONMACE do something against this teaming in SOLOS you cant pvp without gettin jumped by the whole lobby

[rapid vapor]

How would you guys feel if we could set a default loadout per map? Kind of annoying to have to remember to swap perks and spells when the maps change imo

[plain marsh]

id much prefer if they just let us pick what map we wanted, and if they want us to test out ruins, then give us incentive to go into ruins rather than forcing us

@fading root spot on

[snow pawn]

fellow clerics: warhammer, morning star, or flanged mace??

[wary igloo]

Love me some rangers just sniping me through doors

[lean plover]

2 things:

Servers. I had terrible lag 30 minutes ago. Actions not registering, rubberbanding, etc. I always run a ping test in the background, I had 0 packets lost from 3000 packets sent.

Luck Potion: why are we limited to 1-2 luck potion purchase for 8-12 hours (until merchant resets)? The merchant doesn't even reset when I complete a dungeon.

[opaque geyser]

merchant resets every 30 mins

[rough locust]

how tf can you stop the crashing mid game

[hardy wolf]

pre team is obvious with spectate mode, I had a rogue watching me loot ruins on the wall last night, I then had a barb come from the opposite side, they both collapsed onto a ranger so i tried to join in and 3rd party, The barb was saying 'i dont trust you rogue stay away' but they both immediately switch on me and killed me in about 2 seconds, when i spectated they were both standing over my body looting, The problem is theyll never get banned, cant prove pre teaming, the barbs name was 'Badgamebroken' If you're in here you are low af.

[smoky meadow]

Luck potion resets earlier than 8 hrs. The timer is incorrect.

[opal breach]

flanged mace 100%

[snow pawn]

o rly? whys that? bigger sweet spot...?

[plain marsh]

nothing beats waiting behind my favorite bush in ruins for a red portal to spawn

[opal breach]

decent swing pattern and range. Warhammer short range can feel limiting on cleric but it has better smite dps. Morning star is similar to flanged but slower swing.

[snow pawn]

so if you were going a smile focus'd buiild warhammer might be better but for general purpose, flanged mace?

[plain marsh]

does war song give you weapon damage or only your allies?

[limber badge]

I can't confirm myself as I have played bard like 8 times but you can see in your character details if it does I'm pretty sure

[fiery socket]

whats the best duo comp

[rapid vapor]

Since when do the knight statues' shields in the great hall module on ruins glow gold

[fiery socket]

its actually very easy to test you just gotta play a single song 💀

whats the best duo comp

[earnest plank]

always, i think. but idk

[zealous linden]

you want a cleric probably and something with range. at least one person (or both) should have reliable ranged option. ive done ranger fighter and it feels very dirty

[worthy dirge]

it feels very ruberbandy today

[dawn dune]

@ironhammer please for the love of god change invis back so that it doesnt reveal the wizard's position. the spell does next to nothing for escaping melee encounters as a wizard, which is the whole reason you'd use it in the first place. It would be completely reasonable to keep the position reveal on other players, but for the wizard it makes his only viable escape tool no longer allow you to actually escape from people.

[raw gorge]

doesn't it let you escape mobs tho?

[hollow lark]

lagged off the server twice in a row must be lagging server day

[void cedar]

Skill issue

[gentle tartan]

Hi if i hit someone and mobs finish him does that count for my quest ?

[dawn dune]

as soon as it ends every mob in a room re aggros to you

[oblique bear]

No, you have to kill

[gentle tartan]

So damn borring to get 50 kill with cleric

[knotty igloo]

I've lost far to many wizard kills to them blowing themselves up

[blazing pulsar]

plz fix the hit boxes

[dawn dune]

i have been radicalized into an invis buff shill. ironhammer plz

[alpine scarab]

how should I stat a torture mastery warlock? how much knowledge, will, vig, hp etc

[sturdy rune]

so far my experience with wizard has been, see player, make range, try to hit them with missiles, they either strafe and avoid them then run straight at me or run straight at me tanking them and one shot me

sometimes get the player that runs around the room aggroing everything and then drops a smoke bomb or disappears and then everything aggros me, I'm assuming those are rogues

[gentle zodiac]

Why are you playing if not to kill? not trying to be any kind of way, I'm honestly curious

[brisk mason]

Skill issue

[sturdy rune]

yes?

[prisma chasm]

How much magic damage do rogues want for poisoned weapon? Not sure if it’s worth

[zinc minnow]

So how am I suppose to play solo when Im being ganged up on by the entire server cause I wanna "PVP"

[blazing pulsar]

BY FAR THE MOST UNBALANCED GAME IVE EVER SEEN

[plain marsh]

new ruins meta: gear exchange on the bridge waiting for the red static to open

[merry stag]

Poison weapons has a scaling of 25 or 50% on magic damage, so if you want me make a poison build you need around +10-15 magic damage for it to be worth it

[gentle tartan]

Well i play on team so get kill as cleric is not easier than get kill as fighter of ranger

[charred tendon]

Make teaming in solos punishable.

[timber lynx]

you know, because when will there be a reset or when was it????

[shadow widget]

slow -> fireball

[opal breach]

so whats up with the occultist robe only giving 3 strength base at purple? (or occultist tunic i cant remember)

[dawn dune]

magic missile is your lifeline for when someone is already in melee range. dont use it like a regular offensive option, instead use zap, fireball, lightning strike, ice bolt on players trying to approach, they either back away or eat tons of damage on the way to you. if they arent dead by the time they've gotten into melee range thats when you fall back on missiles to finish the job

[gentle zodiac]

I main cleric and I shred folks like the quarterstaff is a weedwhacker

[plain marsh]

i feel like everybody who says this has played one game where they got teamed on then immediately posted how bad the experience was on reddit and every discord server they are a member of. possibly even facebook

[opal breach]

just some fellas pushing AP

[charred tendon]

I just spent the 4 hours playing hr where i saw 6+ barbarians in the lobby, only for them to go in the middle and just make a deathball. All different people. its no longer a matter of if you win the fights, its a matter of if you can survive cod zombies wave 25.

Also now that i mentioned barbarians, 108% movespeed, 170+ hp with nukes for weapons. 🫃

[red holly]

any hotfix planned for the game freezing issue. on chaf games atleast

[brisk lava]

another 5k kit lost to rubberband 👍 fun game

[subtle heart]

why so many teamers every solo game almost has been teamers ;-;

[vast kayak]

The crashing issues should be an instant hotfix. It's gamebreaking to disconnect every other raid. Reinstalled the game completely and still broken.

[vapid hollow]

hello
my friend has bought the game, played for like 3 hours then never touched till now. he tried updating it kept at 0% end then crashed every time he tried to interact. he did the uninstall-reinstall thing but now the download line has some dark dots in it and it wont continue installing. anybody knows something?

[graceful storm]

omg hotfix trash servers

[red holly]

apparently if you reset every game or two it won't crash but still annoying

[swift turret]

hey new here i cant seem to get the game to pick up my mic and cant change the input device in the game and have tried the windows settings any guesses why

[gilded prairie]

Are you on chaf games?

[earnest current]

The reason why players play teaming is because collecting items and killing monsters is enough points. Killing monsters gets 7 points and killing players also gets 7 points. It's not worth the risk of fighting with other players, so lobby teaming also helps. For a bunch of Chinese people in the lobby to gain momentum, why not make the game so that killing the first player gets 15 points and when you get a double kill, you get x2 the player's kill points?

[warped raft]

i think this is more so we can get a glimpse of the fighter or barb you haste/invis so not everyone gets to be a rogue 😉 just be happy you can still run and take as many steps as you want until the timer is up

[dawn dune]

i am completely fine with revealing people who have the buff casted on them, the problem is that invis is the only way a wizard could escape from melee encounters, which almost guarantee the wizard dies. now that the spell reveals you, people can just follow it, its only useful as a speed buff, which defeats the whole point of the spell, as its just what haste used to be

[warped raft]

idk i see many escape from melee encounters by crouching and firing magic missiles and everyone dies lol i guess try not to get into any melee encounters as much as possible, i mean its the same for ranger, yea they be annoying but once you get to them they are usually dead fast and they have no invis whatsoever to get away from melee

[static onyx]

Its so hard to farm bosses with the 3 layer map rotation now... either its on GC or by the time I get to the boss after a 20 minute run its the wrong boss🫤

[dawn dune]

the problem is that magic missile dps is not enough if you're not at full hp with a protection pot against anyone with gear more than greens. it is not uncommon for people with ranged options to shoot at the wizard then chase them down. dont get me wrong, missile is an exceptional get off me tool, but not every situation can be solved by casting it and praying it does enough to kill the guy coming after you, this doesnt even account for there being more than one person involved. you cant always choose to not be in melee range of people, which is why you need invis to get out of those situations, but if they can just see you anyways then it doesnt really do much. invis also helped with avoiding getting into those situations entirely, because people couldnt see you, but now they can, allowing them to force you into melee way more often
edit: sorry 4 wall of text

[fervent pond]

has anyone else been having problems spawing in the same spot for each location whether solos or with friends????? i keep spawning in the SAME SPAWN every match i play no matter what

[warped raft]

i see your dilemma from someone who mains rogue, no one likes the hiding feature and even less so from a wizard mainly i think cause you are able to give this to classes that really should not have access to it, could you imagine if a rogue was as powerful as a barb or fighter and could still be completely invis, n2m be able to move as much and fast as you want while invis, its still a pain to deal with even when you blink into sight for a split second

[fervent pond]

ruins mainly and it happens on both casual and high roller. its been happening to me for several weeks and i was hoping i wasnt the only one and it couldve got fixed but it continues to be an issue for me espeically ruins

[dawn dune]

wizard needs an escape tool because hes got no health, pretty much any class except low gear rouges can reliably 2-3 shot a wizard. he needs an escape option because otherwise you could just suffocate the wizard by holding w at them. wizard is a zoner class, and his zone is extremely easy to break because of cast times, so being able to make distance between yourself and other people is vital to survival. i find it super frustrating when a slayer fighter or barbarian can just follow the crumb trail my invis leaves and get a free win because i come out of invis and im still right next to them. if wizard had the hp to not die instantly, this would be a non issue, but because he's a class cannon class he needs something to escape with

[warped raft]

can i ask you, does this seem to be more of a problem for you when soloing or just as much when in a group as well ?

[neon loom]

How often is wipe?

[plain marsh]

This literally sounds like pre-planned teaming..........

Anyways what stats should you focus on for solo bard?

[dawn dune]

i play almost always in groups, usually team fights start with people trying to single me out first, and if that doesnt work then they go for my teammates, i use invis mainly buff teammates to enter rooms and to escape from people who sneak by my teammates to kill me. a most recent example was a duos run i did earlier today, where a slayer fighter sprinted past my barbarian over to me, I invised as soon as i saw him get by, and he was able to follow directly behind be all the way down the side of the map through all 4 of my invis casts, i wasnt running in a straight line or anything, but the pulses of invis completely gave up my location, once i ran out and i was forced to missile him he just won the dps race. because of the invis giving me away i had no room to make space with other spells, my teammate couldnt get between us because he was a slayer fighter with insane move speed, it was essentailly a free kill for him.

[red holly]

yes

[dry nebula]

resourcefulness is nice for song duration

[rapid vapor]

Has anyone else noticed crossbow skeletons are really inaccurate now

[indigo basin]

server is sucking rn

[blazing pulsar]

game*

[weary fractal]

yeah they used to be laser accurate, i had one actually miss me while i was standing still with my hand in a chip bag earlier. Wasn't even looking at the screen lol

[rapid vapor]

Seems like half the time their first shot is slightly to the left or right

[queen palm]

ruins is not made for the amount of people that are on it in trios its almost impossible to fight a team without being 3rd partied

[blazing pulsar]

IRONMACE!! WHY THE FUCK AM I GOING UP AGANST PPL WITH LEGENDARY KITS IN MY FIRST HIGH ROLLER??? BALANCE YOUR FUCKING GAME!!!!

[hollow lark]

you didnt go into your first hr geared did you?

[ocean furnace]

any1 have proximity chat problems tht voice dont send?

[pulsar ferry]

is luck rolled on mob kill or on mob loot?

[bright pike]

Anyone got the actual numbers on Oil Lantern or Explosion Bottle? Initial damage? Does the mdam AoE scale with your own stats? How much do they slow? etc

[zealous linden]

it says how much damage it does

[languid cedar]

pls fix server lag holy what is going on

[slim stream]

game sadly doesn't feel playable with server lag at the moment 😔

[hollow lark]

does the black shield skeleton have a shield that damages you if you hit it? idk how i died there..

[slim stream]

nightmare mobs (the black mobs) sometimes have lightning on parts of their bodies (like the shield skeletons shield) that if you hit theyll do damage to you

[desert gull]

is there a graphics setting I don't know about? it seems like some people can see straight through smoke while I and others can't see more than a couple feet through the smoke

[hollow lark]

kay

[woven grove]

NERF WARLOCK PLEASE

[tiny cairn]

just ban this class frl

[main garden]

buff dark reflection to 20 base

[cedar spindle]

So I haven’t played in like 6 months or so. Have there been any significant updates? 🙂

[echo perch]

This game is turning into more Cod Zombies than it is dark and darker
mindless npcs sprinting at you while screaming

[solar sage]

Hot take:They should add a treasure hoard to ruins.

[silent rapids]

Hot take: there already is one

[sage mountain]

is there any new news on the druid class coming out?

[solar sage]

Whut?Seriously?Where?

[solar sage]

End of the month

[rapid vapor]

Where did they say that?

[solar sage]

Since they're dropping the ice cave update end of the month, its likely druid will come up as well

[flat ferry]

When are they gonna re nerf rangers? they win literally any fucking engagement

[rapid vapor]

Crypts can't be chosen you now descend to it from ruins, goblin cave got reworked and the game rotates between ruins and it, warlock can wear plate at the cost of 75% less incoming magic healing. Mimics and barrels drop proper loot now. Gears inherent stats now go up by 1 per rarity tier instead of 1 every other tier

[sage mountain]

thank you pookie

[silent rapids]

behind a rusty door that requires the rusty key below twin towers. not really worth it in my opinion

[solar sage]

Oh yeah knew about that one, I meant for them to add a gold pile accessible via a bossfight

[paper kite]

They should make it where clerics prot protects you against swarm

[median gazelle]

Is demon armor worth it?

[lucid pagoda]

do people actually get banned for teaming

[plain marsh]

the current meta is gear swap on the bridge in ruins while you wait for the red static to open

[silent rapids]

theyve said they planned to have a boss fight for every floor but idk if thats the plan for ruins with the current layout

[keen geode]

Why does a thrown drum deal 97 damage?

[gleaming edge]

only drums doing that are purple or above if that

[hardy wolf]

The problem is they cannot prove that they are 'Pre' teamers, so i dont see any of them getting banned

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[thin heron]

anyone elses screen just randomly freeze in game forcing you to force close and reopen app again after this most recent patch?

[spring imp]

fix stuttering

[subtle heart]

HOW ARE THE SERVERS STILL SHIT

[spring imp]

I guess its the new norm for this game. It blows my mind that everyone here is discussing balance issues and upcoming content when the game literally isnt even playable for a large portion of the base. Like please people can we focus on fixing the god damn stuttering, rubberbanding and server lag. walk before running please

[subtle heart]

HOW MUCH R KEYS WORTH?

[fluid marlin]

True dude it’s annoying ASF, I can send you a clip from earlier where I got domed on troll from lag. Not even just that teleporting into arrows and bolas is normal it’s annoying ASF and a major downside of the game

[subtle heart]

ngl for the game to be this shit tier from all the lag

idk how the fuck they released this as a purchasable game

[pallid quarry]

Damn fighting a barbarian as a slayer fighter feels so fucking rough. Dodge every hit but one and die lmfao

[warm lodge]

is it just me or is goblin caves nearly unplayable because of game stutter?

[glacial wave]

how often does the game wipe?

[faint bear]

It didn't used to be this bad, but it has been steadily getting worse for the last 3 months

[fringe oyster]

yeah its terrible. idk if its my internet, i usually dont have problems like this

[pulsar ferry]

is luck calcualted on kill or on searcvh

[rotund pawn]

I’m pretty positive it’s on the search

[rapid vapor]

Search

[pulsar ferry]

people keep tellign em iits on kill

[turbid crag]

Has there been any news on a possible console release?

[wooden thunder]

Am I misunderstanding Ambush? It says +50% dmg for 3 seconds...but it only applies to my first hit. Must be bugged?

[winged tinsel]

when did they change it to make it so only greys/whites can be brought in normals?

[wooden thunder]

Been like that this whole wipe

[coarse nova]

first attack within 3 secs deals +50% dmg yes you misunderstood

[wooden thunder]

"Gain an additional +50% physical damage bonus for 3 seconds after leaving hide". That tooltip needs updated then

[coarse nova]

that i do agree if it is

[small ferry]

they should add an ability to one of the magic classes where you eat ppls soul hearts for health

[wise bison]

match is still in progress eternal loop? is there still no fix for this? has my team just lost all our items

[fallow wigeon]

how much is a gold coin chest?

[brisk lava]

It's not your internet it's the game

[gilded prairie]

Getting really tired of the small map designs and the fact that you're seconds away from 3 other people every spawn. The whole thing has gotten exhausting

[brisk lava]

It's not bugged just badly worded

[rapid kraken]

Anyone here know if cleanse is still bugged on boss fights?

[deep birch]

Check with Pepe Silvia

[pallid grove]

Current state of the game reminds me some shooter like Tarkov everyone having crossbow or range weapon and mostly fighting while keeping distance

[earnest current]

The most typical hack that helps one Chinese guy win against another is using lag switch. Every time I look at it, it's normal, but just one attack and the game lags. There are times when just looking at that Chinese guy causes It lags immediately, when that Chinese guy dies from monsters the game returns to normal and no longer lags

[dreamy frost]

hows the state of the game rn is it worth buying? on sale n all that. havent played since playtest 5 thought it was rlly fun

[gleaming ibex]

its worth it, I'm having a lot of fun as a new playuer

[neon rune]

My favourite thing right now is sneaking up on people, then going BOO! or some other sudden noise into my mic, watching for their character to jitter around because you know you made them jump. I don't even really try to extract, I'm just here to cause problems

[fiery onyx]

Can people hear the little sound affect of rogue's going invisible?

[neon rune]

I would suppose so, otherwise they'd have no warning about a rogue going invis nearby.

[fiery onyx]

Ty

[dreamy frost]

i respect that, playing not for the victory, but for your own satisfaction at other's expense. that's me in league 😩

[neon rune]

Most of my time so far has been blaring around the ruins with Knowledge Fight coming through my speakers, and the game wont default to my Nvidia Broadcast, only my unfiltered mic input. Anyone within a mile radius in-game has to deal with hearing the most insane out of context stuff, while I'm stuffing my pockets with crap, wandering around.

[gilded prairie]

Biggest issue with the game right now is the map design. Ruins spawns are way too close together; I have 4 people fighting me within a minute of spawning. Feels like like a hardcore extraction and much more like a battle royale

[neon rune]

Think thats what they want, rather than these big empty moments in gameplay. Enemy density can sometimes feel too high. Though if you know where a mummy or skelly will spawn, and dragging someone desperate for a kill through it, you can benefit a lot.

[lilac prairie]

What’s a good duo for a barbarian

[gilded prairie]

It's super unrewarding to grind and grind for gear just to constatly lose it to third parties or map design. I'd much rather long, intense, focused fights; than juggling 3-4 people at once before I even got to loot anything

[gleaming edge]

games good def not balanced enough to really care or get into especially with gear scaling rn most classes just one or two shot you with anything past blue gear and then the obvious unbalanced mess of any rogue with gear just two shotting every class in the game

[zealous linden]

game is unplayable due to lag and rubberbanding

[solar zealot]

I'm playing in EUC, yesterday was almost fine until late evening but right now I feel quantum. I even joined an empty trio lobby and it was all the same

[snow bobcat]

every highroller solos there is teaming this is crazy no talking no communication clearly premeditated

[vapid lark]

ADD BACK CRYPTS I HATE THIS AP FARM PLAYSTYLE EVERYONE IS DOING

[wild jay]

Been sayong for a while, ruins rework. Please! Or just bring back a crypts map lol. I dont wanna have to play ruins to get to crypts. Feels more fresh to just be in crypts at the start of a run sometimes.

[wheat light]

increase drops for all of the "common" rarity quest item drops

if you think common quest items are too hard to find please upvote my post on the forums https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/522281/increasing-the-drop-chance-for-quest-items

[wild jay]

Rogue is literally garb rn lol unless ultra giga geared

[versed ore]

What if red door open in less then 3 minutes
Case the game last for 10 minutes

[proper sail]

Did they do a hotfix and nerf wizard even more?

[peak crest]

Haven't played since before the lawsuit, but I just bought the game and I'm curious as to what classes are currently top tier?

[rotund pawn]

Depends on if you’re playing trios duos or solo. Solo barb is pretty strong and then duos and trios kinda depends on team comp but fighter is universally a good class to play cleric is also very good

[peak crest]

Mostly trios/duos for me. A buddy of mine loves fighter so he's got that covered.

[karmic lantern]

my update wont start its at 0% all the time ... anyone know why or mabey had same issues ?

[rotund pawn]

You like more of a support class or dps? Barb is still great in a team but I feel they need the extra support like a wiz cleric or a bard in the mix

[peak crest]

In trios my other buddy plays Barb, so I am def okay with running Wiz, Cleric or Bard. I prefer a little more DPS if possible though, full support is a bit stale to me.

[neon rune]

portal theft feels so good

[rotund pawn]

Wiz deals crazy good dmg and the haste invis on a barb is very strong cleric also does good dmg with smite but no ms buff for barb and bard is crazy good but personally I am not a fan of playing his songs they are very strong as well for dps

[untold aspen]

what is the best way to earn ap?

[rotund pawn]

Just open portals collect treasure and interact with as many things as possible also killing mobs

[brisk lava]

This is cap every class two shots except rogue

[untold aspen]

how many people enter solo dungeons

[icy yarrow]

hey i have a question can a fighter or a warlock wear a barbarian helmet?? I just played solo ranked and killed a player who had fighter gear with a straight sword and a halbrid. he had an enchanted weapon that did extra damage to me so i knew he must be a warlock but what threw me off is he had a barbarian helmet on can someone check this photo for me and see if im not going crazy. because i play fighter and a barbarian main so im not sure if a new update or what.. keep this in mine i took of his helmet to pick up his gear..

I have a photo of his gear if anyone wants to see it for proof of what im talking about

[robust spoke]

With the new demon armour the warlock can, but a fighter cannot.

[severe crescent]

@icy yarrow make a warlock and look at their perks

[sage inlet]

Game keeps freezing, losing all my sound and then it crashes when loading screen anyone lese has this?

[icy yarrow]

yeah its a warlock perk

[digital phoenix]

landmine rogue is so fun

[tropic ferry]

done with the game, the lag issues are so bad. when you are wearing a good kit and the game stops for 10 second and you die to centipede like cmon what is this, this is happening far too often

[reef island]

Then don’t run a kit if you know it’s an issue

[neon rune]

works on my machine, but then again, im playing in Japan on the Tokyo server so capacity is probably low as shit

[brisk lava]

The rubber banding is so trash for everyone plz don't defend it

[reef island]

What’s the drop rate for mystical gem? I’ve had 3 in the last 15 cave troll kills

[neon rune]

not defending it, because im not experiencing it in the first place 😏

[untold aspen]

is teaming in-game allowed?

[reef island]

Organic teaming yes

[plush girder]

can i cleanse the ghost king suck? or is it still bugged?

[untold aspen]

what is organic teaming

[neon rune]

saying "hello, do you want to be friends" and not having the other person burying an axe in your skull

[reef island]

Yeah teaming formed inside the dungeon,

What are your guys names tho, prostatepuncher and ihitwife

[neon rune]

nothing wrong with some self defence but wife-beating, i draw the line at

[brisk lava]

I seen a name ihitchildren lol hopefully it's a joke

[latent furnace]

How much is old rusty key worth?

[reef island]

9 ingots my friend sold his for

[latent furnace]

Thank you

[surreal zenith]

why the hell is mining in this game, and why the hell is it I get the farthest fucking spawns when I'm using a Pickax

[subtle heart]

Not fun when you are in wide hall and the mob stands directly in the middle and you can't move around when there is visually soo much room to move.

[plain grotto]

damn lanterns and other invisible edges extending past the visual Q_Q - every Zwei user

its like all the ruins jumps that got nerfed, so now it sucks for everyone without doublejump. remove doublejump, bring back ruins parkour!

[cedar hound]

enough teaming

i ve played a solo q high roll, there were 4 ppl teaming, there's no way you can beat that... Start punishing this behaviour or ur game will be a fucking disgrace

[torn jasper]

today big update?

[rugged trellis]

should Warlocks have unlimited sustain, a grey warlock can stay 100% health in the storm (heal) wear all armor (tank) and have insane damage (dps) this is a trinity all in one class that shouldn't be, it is not a fair balance vs other classes

[lean musk]

Paladin after Druid?

[cedar radish]

Paladin would be sick

[visual burrow]

Why u think that

[torn jasper]

in the devs' interview they said January 16th big update

[visual burrow]

Ah word. Hope that’s still true. I’m sure they’ve been busy af with everything

[worldly warren]

do we have any clue what the rewards for voyager + are going to be? seems kinda weird to grind for stuff not knowing what the rewards are

[smoky meadow]

I hope barb gets nerfed into the ground once Druid comes out

[stoic thorn]

where do i find the giant worm ? at the usual spawn in goblin cave it does spawn a shitty mummy everytime and in ruins i find only the golem D:

[visual burrow]

I think it’s just a roll. I get worm a lot in ruins haha

[jagged seal]

Please make "Ray of Darkness" work on the training dummy

[solar sentinel]

dude inspects me
thumbs down
connection terminated abnormally
i'm gonna lose my kit won't i

[viral stag]

Hi, serwer down so im been in a game, i lost my items?

[sterile fossil]

The default Magic Staff grants 5 Magical Damage, while a Poor quality spellbook grants 2 Magical Damage. Does this mean the starter Magic Staff is better?

[clear horizon]

well u cant hit mobs with the book

[sterile fossil]

Yeah, I'm asking if the spellbook is just objectively way worse? since you cant hit mobs with it, and since it grants less magical damage

[clear horizon]

spellbook casts faster,can be good or bad depending how u play it. if ur wizard u might take the book , if ur warlock or cleric u might take the staff , is up tou

[steady forum]

im a bit garbage at this game, but i did this one simple trick to improve. i made a barbarian

[royal imp]

feels like that this stupid lizard skin is a little too op

[leaden sentinel]

Is there a triple escape portal in goblin cave trios?

[steady forum]

at high end its not. but when you combine lizard + shirtless barb perk its like free gear

[rotund pawn]

Yea the very last circle spawns one

[light lantern]

How tf my last 5 solo q HR i lost was vs team of 2-3 player preteaming?? even out of HR its the same bullshit

[hollow lark]

why are people so eager to kill you for doing a boss? back in my day you'd be like lets split the loot but now its like gar im a pirate and it's really sad to see.

[steady forum]

cause pvp playerbases are terrible and thats what its become

[limber atlas]

bcuz pvp buttheads ruin wholesome interactions and fun gameplay

[limber atlas]

ngl tho i did have a gc game a month back where the whole lobby killed troll together, and half of them died trying, that was pretty much peak gameplay

[hollow lark]

we could form a guild that subscribes to a doctrine of basic manners like only killing as a last resort or in the context of an official duel. stuff like that. insist that the politest of greetings is crouch spamming with a torch out ideally but the simple crouch spam will do.

but yeah the less we kill eachother the greater the overall survival rate and thus the greater the supply of good gear driving down prices and making the ranked expirience more affordable for the common gamer.

[old steeple]

I dont like killing players, feelsbadman. good reasons not to

[rancid gyro]

do people buy grimsmile rings?

[solar sentinel]

first golden pot i found and had to drink it immediately

[real hemlock]

Is a zweihander with +5 physical power and +3 weapon damage worth 350 gold?

[void cedar]

How much does it do

[solar sentinel]

like 10 seconds to heal 15 or something. i was on the zone and panicking, found it, spent half a second in wow then took it

I don't even know where they drop, dead rogue had it, never saw one before and i did plenty of golden rooms and HR inferno bosses

[void cedar]

I would assume it’s a rare drop like the rest of the golden stuff

[fervent pelican]

anyone know max dmg on divine bow?

[solar sentinel]

I mean, golden shields and weapons aren't that rare, at least some of those weapons, but i literally enver saw a golden pot

[void cedar]

I would group it with golden gems when it comes to rarity, definitely not worth as much but still rare

[ruby cedar]

Has anyone else been having freezes and rubber bands since the patch

[subtle heart]

I normally avoid killing people but now everyone plays to kill. Backstabbing when they have a chance . Although it's funny it become less friendly

[empty compass]

does regular interaction spped affect bow draw speed?

[solar sentinel]

No, thats action speed.

@subtle heart it seems HR still has people avoid fights if they can on mid to high ranks. Ever since i reached voyajer everyone i see around is just trying to max out their AP, and only ever fight if they couldn't find enough treasure

[subtle heart]

I died to 4 people ? Yesterday will full inventory of trinkets for sale. The killing was unnecessary. Although they did take my pots and bandages lol which is understandable

[rugged trellis]

you shouldnt be able to cast hydra then get back 20x the amount in life... balance...?

[compact hill]

imextremelybad barbarian esp hacker watchout

[hot grove]

is mimic tongue used for anything?

[subtle heart]

I'm more interested about all these 1 shot kills with warlock. Might be time to change class

[visual burrow]

You need 1 for a quest later on

[hot grove]

for which shop?

[red sluice]

Anyone had trouble updating the game at all? Keeps sitting at 0%.

[limber badge]

UI bug, it is likely updating in the background

[wild jay]

Youll still probably lose to a barb.

There was a lot of gear hype but im sure the player base dropped off again cause people were like "oh barb is clearly broken" lol

[subtle heart]

Yeah but mage atm is super easy to play . Warlock seems fun if I can often one shot people with a 2 h

[red sluice]

In hindsight, I probably should've posted this in #q-and-a , but oh well. Hopefully that really is the case

[wild jay]

Try it first lol. I was just doing it. I mean its not so bad.

[subtle heart]

Which means it's simple enough and fun to see body go down

[wild jay]

Ehhhhh youll see

[compact hill]

Lemmesmellthosefeet barbariam esp hacks

[rapid imp]

what actually going on with the game. Legs getting worse and worse

[graceful storm]

still no word on a fix for the servers being terrible....

[onyx valve]

When we get druid will we get an extra character slot?

[zenith fiber]

i want to use halberd but I just hit the walls and roof

[sharp temple]

does anyone know if the old rusy key still works? does the door only sometimes spawn on HR?

[earnest prawn]

how much do gold axes sell for

[plain marsh]

i just want to be able to pick and choose what map i want to play on

@earnest prawn ill give you 300 for one

[graceful storm]

warlock and barb are both so stupid rn. I lose all sense of fun when I see one of those in a match. lmao its run for your life or die if youre playing a rouge theres no way to play against it and win that I have found. Even if you get the first 3 hits and screw up its an easy one tap for them

[serene hazel]

Yes the key works

@graceful storm You are rouge you can literally just run away. 🤨

[scarlet bronze]

cutthroat for warlocks

[plain marsh]

i was playing a bard last night and a barb was terrororizing the lobby. i just literally circled around the bridge area until the red portal opened. all u have to do is run lol

[zealous linden]

the game is unplayable due to lag and bad servers

[paper fiber]

trying to learn to kill troll right now and no joke most of my deaths are from the lag and not being able to walk without being sat still by lag

[serene hazel]

Yet I play and have a blast/great connection while sending people to the main menu. Check your internet bill cycle.

@plain marsh I didn't account for cardboard setups.

[plain marsh]

@serene hazel i think it has more to do with pc performance than internet connection

@paper fiber none of the people complaining have amazing pc's... unless someone else has info i dont have

@graceful storm rogue should not be able to fight barb in a 1v1 straight up. if you think this is the case you should not be making suggestions about the game...

[graceful storm]

yes and ive gotten very good at this recently, but this shouldnt be the case in a PVP game. There should be some way to trade and fight with the other characters in the game and actually have some kind of a chance to win. And the servers are bad for everyone rn if you play enough you will run into issues

[paper fiber]

alot of the community felt it this update yall playing it off as player side is sad

[limber badge]

It is interesting to see iron hammer say they disliked the quick TTK and then made TTK faster than ever with +6 stats among other things

[gray moon]

game just crashed while fighting mobs had multiple legendarys

[plain marsh]

i still kill poeple in 2-3 shots for the most part

[serene hazel]

You do have a chance, all characters have a 1 dimensional meta.

Barbarian has - Broken until rage abilities wear off. Still has to much health afterwards. 1 taps on headshot.

Rouge has - Be completely invisible in plain sight while being rewarded with extra damage without being stealthy and is faster than everyone at all times without sprint.

You chose your niche meta when picking rouge. You cannot take head on fights ever unless they're injured, trash or you're invisible.

->against barbarian<-

[plain marsh]

ive been actually countering barbs very hard as warlock

[limber badge]

Invisibility needs to be entirely removed from the game, change my mind. Woops didn't mean to reply lol

[serene hazel]

They need to remove 2nd wind, invisibility and warcry. Or buff the other abilities.

[subtle heart]

To everyone who say you can just Play x class and run. . That's a bold face lie lol I played rogue naked and get chase down and killed. Only time I survive is when I do double jump or something. Unless recently they buff rogue movement speed. Rogue I'd 3rd slowest class in the game and not only that other classes start with boots lol but even if you remove the boots they're still faster than rogue.

(Haven't touched rogue in like 2 months so maybe they fix it? Oh wait they gutted them several times again)

[glad sinew]

iron will pretty op atm
@limber badge counterplay off top of head - warlock hydra sees thru invisible / wizard light orb reveals in decently wide area / ranger detect footprints sees those made even while invis

[plain marsh]

try putting your weapon away. double jump slows you down

@limber badge 4 classes counter it

[limber badge]

Complete Invisibility in a game like this is just rediculous. It's easy to find one minute long invis potions and land mine anyone with any class. There's no counterplay to someone being invisible with an invis potion.

[serene hazel]

Tell me you are bad at dark and darker without saying it... you have no idea what you're saying at all.

@limber badge it makes a drinking sound & then they are no longer there. Best way to catch invis user. I will say rouge going invisible on command infinitely while being able to move like that is stupid

[subtle heart]

I tested this on all class lol and yes no weapon . Example press X.

If you think rogue is op well you can find invisible potion which give you a rogue class ability lol

Also technically counter play to invisible potion. Listen to sound you can hear people drinking potions

[plain marsh]

now you are just responding to a different point. rogue with weapons away will not be caught.

[fringe hemlock]

lol wizard can use x bow

[limber badge]

Wizard does not counter it because light orb doesn't reveal invis pots.
Ranger steps maybe if they're lucky enough but one minute of invis is for too long for that to be viable.
Bard maybe if they happen to use din of darkness I guess but I haven't seen any bard use that in weeks.
Not sure what the other option is.

As for sound, what I do is hear people in another room, drink a minute long invis potion and wait. It hasn't failed me yet even up past pathfinder.

Total and complete invisibility isn't a fun mechanic to play against is my point. Unless they provide means to reveal invis pots or make it give you an outline. Maybe do what wizard invis does.

[serene hazel]

Then keep running into bots who can't hear anything/check their corners. Invis pots are not op at all(except when agl barbarian uses them sometimes).

You cannot do anything whilst invisible at all except jumpscare noobs.

[limber badge]

https://youtu.be/TBV4ePZARRI?si=xZz74kpErur3q3ar
What would the counterplay be here? I am genuinely curious.

[steady forum]

real talk. how come barbarian is a blonde in game but in the lobby he has a brown beard

[limber badge]

There's no danger to drinking an invis pot. No negative side effects besides being unable to move (oh no!).

[plain marsh]

hydra and bard weakness work well

@subtle heart i think the craziest part about this interaction, is that we have tested it ourselves. we've seen it ourselves first hand on both sides of the equation. and you still arent listening it's pretty hilarious how incompetent you are as a human

[serene hazel]

Attack, run away, strafing? Anything but standing there terrified like bro did.

I will admit that was cheap af but he is playing rouge so what comes around goes around 💪

[subtle heart]

If the wait time on all messages weren't one minute lol

But yeah I was replying to other posts. I mean I'll test it again but probably never touch rogue again. They are a fun concept but get killed with nerfs too much

Or you can test it yourself. Log into every class strip off all their armor and see what their movement speed are. Some classes starts with boots and we know boots don't negatively affect your movement speed. Compare via armor vs non armor. (If you wondering this is what I did when I notice a significant lost on movement speed on rogue like 2 months ago) but also hopping back on mage I'm Hella fast. I move like I have steroids lol

[serene hazel]

You aren't testing anything by running away in base kit rouge against people who aren't base kit. Especially if this was 2 months ago.

Rouge is the fastest in the game just go look at the stats. He is almost faster than fighter w sprint in base gear.

@plain marsh If there was less misinformation about this game it'd be popular.

[plain marsh]

at this point ima just laugh at the stupidity, chalk this one up as a loss, and move on. this person is 14

[limber badge]

No one can catch rogue when I poop out the smoke pots after emptying their inventory

[subtle heart]

The entire point is movement speed is important.

Unless there's an up to date stats on all classes. I highly doubt it besides lately there are updates to the game where the tweak stats so you don't know if anything change at all until you play.

I haven't touch rogue specifically because they keep getting nerfed. They get 5 nerfs before the get one buff which maybe negate it back to neutral state of 3 nerfs . Who knows at this point.

[glad sinew]

as a warlock main sometimes I'll do the drink a pot and wait in the next room thing. Being able to get off a boc head swing from behind before the fight has even started usually wins it for me - but thats a pot thing not a rogue thing. I've had barbs do it to me as well
@limber badge maybe devs could put in a truesight potion, lasts twice as long or something

[zealous linden]

I think limitting how many invis pots you can bring in to like 1 might be a decent fix

[serene hazel]

"Who knows at this point" you don't lol

[limber badge]

It works wonderfully for any class. Barb it's funny as hell roaring from an invis.

[last iris]

The fk. Bro rouge is strong af rn

[sterile fossil]

Guys my character cant get up after resting, I'm stuck. What do I do? Nvm, found out. Pressed F and I magically got up (think it might have been meditate that was bugged)

[glad sinew]

rogue smoke pot is pretty strong, slows me down enough that I'm just like w/e, see ya
@sterile fossil you rest in peace thats what you do there - fr though tab in out if that does not work then gotta close client / reconnect as quick as you can and pray 🤷‍♂️ same as when dc'd
F to get up - good to know ty, just started messing with cleric so sitting down more myself

[stuck cobalt]

Alt +F4 will fix it

[rapid vapor]

I swear they buffed its size when they fixed the bug

[pearl dome]

the jokester perk says "gives all party members +2 all attributes", is it still an aoe aura or does it just always apply to everyone in the party now?

[limber badge]

Aoe aura
You can see if they're affected by it if the icon appears above their portraits

[serene hazel]

3k hrs the game has barely been up for a year bro

[last stump]

love how laggy us east servers are ❤️

[graceful storm]

this is not really true in my experience, Against barb, if they see you first and are close enough they can slow you and chase you down if you try to run. If you see them literally a mile away on ruins you do have a good chance to hide and get away. If you go invis they just wait it out and kill you 20-40 seconds later and take usually a small amount of damage before getting the one tap in. I have been maining rouge for the past month or two mainly to farm solos and have had a ton of these encounters. Rouge is still strong against other classes im not saying it needs a buff, but these other classes are just obviously at least a little bit overpowered right now and need some adjustments. I think warlock isnt that overpowered its just the one tap meta part of it, main beef is with barb. and Ive also never met a barb that is even slightly cool and will interact in game, they just pop rage and hold the W key no matter what kind of gear/no gear you have on

[plain marsh]

what rank are you?

[limber badge]

Barbs W keying is at least thematically appropriate as they are the hot heads of DnD lol
But yeah any barb or ranger I meet is almost always aggro

[last iris]

So you playing over 10 hrs a day

[serene hazel]

This is skill or build related, distance should be created upon encountering barbarian. If you got invisibarbed then your only hope is them missing the 1st swing and you reacting fast enough to not give them another.

Wear speed items if you plan on running.

[tawny dune]

what is the best weapon for rogue for dps?

[spring mesa]

Post rank + stats

[limber badge]

Kris dagger is pretty good

[subtle heart]

I think it's stilleto but it's a little hard to use

[serene hazel]

Fastest attack speed + dex build + dmg.

[chrome dragon]

Hacking is so bad right now - Devs - do something about this or I'm requesting a refund. Every other game has a hacker in it tracking stealth. Freaking wack.

[plain marsh]

what rank are you

[subtle heart]

You say this but all games have hackers . If anything hackers want to ruin the game. Probably want the game to fail lol just youtube dark and darker hacks. They probably give you a link to it

[static onyx]

Yo, for HR death night, what is the starting move where he spawns that oneshot circle? How do I dodge that?

[chrome dragon]

@plain marsh - have a mix of Wander and Pathfinders. Bridging all Voyager. @subtle heart - obviously, but there is a difference in the amount of hackers when anti-cheat is properly adjusted. And saying a game has hackers becasue hackers exist is a shitty defense for a game.

[graceful storm]

lol yep same here, I usually have some chance of at least getting emotes out of the rest or the occasional voip. Still even see it more with rangers than barbs. and @serene hazel I am running loot builds 99% of the time, 330ms, resourfulness, but I have also tried dropping 3-4k on a really decent pvp kit and still end up getting one tapped by a barb. It probably is somewhat of a skill issue I dont main rouge unless no one else in my crew is online so my pvp skills may be a little lacking but I have been playing the game pretty consistently since the 2nd play test im not a noob but im not a rouge god either. It just feels like an unfair encounter to me (warlock or barb vs rouge) based on my experiences.

[serene hazel]

Cant get a refund if you've already played the game for hours. Call your bank.

[plain marsh]

the refund request comment made me think you got the game yesterday and were delusional . that rank is full of em tho

@chrome dragon i've already determined that @subtle heart is 14 he isnt worth your time

[subtle heart]

Nah I'm thinking it's more along the line of they're doing it purposely because they side with Nexon. They want the game to fail.

[limber badge]

I do not take on a barb in a fight with rogue unless I am fully sure that man will die in 3 hits

[chrome dragon]

@plain marsh - thanks for the insight. Was going to say that Hackers are not siding with nexon lol. They're just making money selling it to a non defensible game. And since it's not recurring revenue on IM - it's not like they're truly incentivized to block it -- they get more revenue when hackers rebuy the game.

[plain marsh]

well generally hackers are purchasing their accounts from shady sources and frequently use stolen credit cards. this will result in a bunch of chargebacks against IM and is more expensive than just refunding

[chrome dragon]

@plain marsh - nah. Hackers are generally buying an account and buying hacking software thats constantly updated. These hacking companies get paid for giving monthly access to hacking tools that exploit dark and darker. A lot of hackers with video games aren't the actual "Hackers" themselves, they're just script kiddies that are paying with moms credit card for a hack.

[serene hazel]

It's just the hard counter melee dynamic. Barbarian hard counters rouge unless the rouge uses rupture hand cross or throwing knives with poison.

Or use mobs to weaken the Barbarian. Or dodge the attacks cause barb is usually low dex if they're fast.

When I play ranger or fighter I make sure to put 1-2 arrows into them before using spear or longsword.

[drowsy merlin]

what if they add a second level to goblin caves now and call it dragon caves and have a bunch of kobald running around and a dragon boss

[serene hazel]

I'll start mewing

[graceful storm]

the new ice map is supposed to have an ice dragon I heard the devs say at one point, dont know if thats still the plan or not

[limber badge]

I've heard there'll be giants as well, and it will be three layers

[graceful storm]

were supposed to get that update at some point this month I hope theyre able to get it ready and also fix the server issues

[main garden]

Too hopeful

[subtle heart]

Dude trolls dragons? Epic add on to dark and darker lol

[heady mountain]

how much can i sell a token of honor for?

[woven grove]

NERF WARLOCK PLEASDE

[short thunder]

cringe lords in bottom tier of hr with full leggos and purps are annoying, that is all

[graceful storm]

its also very cringe when full gold gigachad teams sprints down solo players with no gear on just trying to feed his family with some mid loot. speaking for a friend

[sinful holly]

just got mercd by jaygriff on a z2h run rofl

[zealous linden]

dont think they really care about fixing servers at this point, its only gotten worse

[graceful storm]

im starting to think this too

[dry nebula]

They said it was a priority on the QnA they did two weeks ago

[zealous linden]

so what? servers were better two weeks ago

[subtle heart]

There has been random lag spikes . It was better when I turn down graphics

(Edit)
Which might sounds strange but if it works it works lol I never had that much rubber banding previously

[analog spire]

so how bad is the cheating situation? two a match in na prime?

[lunar carbon]

is there no longer a treasure pile for boss rooms? the loot is just on the ground?

[zealous linden]

it probably is there but to me teaming is bigger issue

[graceful storm]

I know deep down they are working on it I just wish it was more of a priority. My friend and I both DC'd at the exact same time 5 minutes into a really good fight, we were winning and in total lost around 6k+ of gear because the team obviously insta killed us as soon as they realized. and our 3rd who didn't dc had no chance of winning solo and also lost his kit which is another 3k or so. It's just a lot of time spent to get the gold and then sit in trade to get the gear to lose it like that sucks

[subtle heart]

Tbf if you are good you could probably just go high roller and get decent gear and escape. Lately I haven't seen many high gear players in high roller but then again I play solo

[astral vortex]

my blacksmith launcher™ isnt downloading the big update. is there an issue with browser?

[granite swallow]

jesus, I just realized the amount of pre teaming in solos. did two games both duos didnt communicate or used the game's VC.

[vapid oyster]

implying it's impossible to team without vc or that teaming didn't happen for months and months before they added it

[granite swallow]

i dunno, maybe it wasnt, maybe it was. At the end of the day I can only GET GUD

[lunar carbon]

i feel like if your hope is to have comms in duos or trios with randoms your best best is it use one of the lfg channels and find a group thats matching what you wanna do whether thats pvp bossing or lowkey runs

[graceful storm]

I ran into two full trio squads teaming the other day. I don't care how good you are you cant do anything with 2 fighters, 2 rangers and 2 clerics all geared af sprinting at you. They cleared the whole lobby other than one naked rouge who was ratting. I have a video of it and I tried to find out where to report it but never got any answers other than "send it to the anti cheat account" which I couldn't find.

[vapid oyster]

complain about teaming in solos
bro just use lfg
kek

[last iris]

its weird I almost never encounter teaming in solos

[fringe hemlock]

Fuck i am tired of warlock with blow of corruption

Not even a auction house are they able to set up, the trade channel is trash....

[signal olive]

What do y'all think about giving every class/weapon some way to block or parry? I believe this would help but not solve the dominance of ms stacking and discourage kiting as the main tactic against melee classes. This has obvious benefits to all classes, but I think it would also open the door to more unique abilities as well.
I know it would be a lot of work for something like this to happen, but I seriously believe the game needs this eventually. It would also make it reasonable to actually fight some mobs instead of cheesing them.
Anyway, what do y'all think about this idea?

[lament oyster]

I like the idea a lot, although by default it would be a Nerf to melee classes, as the classes that can kite will also have potential to outplay in close quarters. But with proper balancing it would be really nice imo. I find the melee combat in this game to be rather boring and straightforward apart from spacing.

[fringe hemlock]

Yes and they already showed that balance is what they do best.....

[lament oyster]

A very interesting comment that is definitely helping to keep the conversation alive!

[signal olive]

Yeah there would definitely have to be some move speed standardization since melee wouldn't be a complete death sentence for wizards and rangers lmao

[lament oyster]

To me, movespeed being meta is just the counterpart of the "range and ranger" meta. The game is very rock-paper-scissory, so to avoid being kited to death by axes, knives, crossbows, bows, and books, melee users need to stack ms or they will just die before they get to make an attack. As a result all of the range classes need to have similar specs to keep the balance. In the end, everyone is a little faster and either doing less damage or being less tanky because of it.

[silk gyro]

so a kite game?

[slow eagle]

nerf spiders, they too annoying

[lament oyster]

tbh, I think that the game would benefit from everyone being a little more durable, and having a parry would certainly help that. The only reason fights last long right now are because people are playing range and kiting. The only people that realistically survive more than 3 melee attacks are PDR fighter/cleric or Barbarians. Most other classes will die in 2 hits (sometimes 1), which I dislike.

[silk gyro]

with a shallow amount of plate and a longsword they will get out of range before your hit will even start to enter hitmode

[limber badge]

We need sainte and grunch races, that's what will benefit the game.

[lament oyster]

My complaint is also focused primarily on the solo experience, because most of these issues can be solved by having variety in your squad. And trios seems to be where most of the playerbase is.

[silk gyro]

ive tried trios, it is an disadvantage to have melee in your group

[lament oyster]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Having a frontline to stop your ranged teammates from getting rundown by rogues, bards, barbs, and sprinting fighters is a big deal. Plus sometimes you're simply backed into a corner and are not able to kite properly. (Also Cleric and Bard are both insanely good in trios with the amount of utility they have imo)

[signal olive]

Yeah, and cleric is practically useless in solos just because of ranged damage.
Honestly maybe they could lower the damage of ranged in general but increase the portion of that damage that can't be regened. But then I guess more things than bandages would have to actually be restricted by that regainable HP which tbh I wouldn't mind.

[lament oyster]

In my ideal world everyone is tankier so that movespeed isn't as big of a deal, and ranged classes (Ranger and Wizard in particular) have better close-range capabilities.

[signal olive]

We share a dream and I can only hope that Ironmace makes it a reality someday

[subtle heart]

they should add fishing

[vapid lark]

Ranger damage is already - 20%

[signal olive]

Then let us hit people with the fish

[signal olive]

Ok? I'm talking about all ranged damage. Axes, knives, fighter longbows, everything

[vapid lark]

I meant ranged, crossbows, longbows, everything got a 20% nerf basically except magic Ok? Ok?

[wheat light]

why can heals target dead bodies? i get mobs that are alive but a corpse wtf?

[sacred wigeon]

hey what do yall think about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/198dqsd/more_apperances_for_chests/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[haughty cipher]

fix ur game pls 🙂

[plain marsh]

the zweihander is ass on warlock

[mint kindle]

hardly any portals in goblin cave, a load of horse

[zealous linden]

well there is a revive spell , but it is annoying

[sweet kestrel]

since recent patch me and my friends are having issues with FPS espaciality when it is the last zone we don't have bad computers pls fix, sometimes it is really unplayable

[sour basalt]

I really hope we get a patch for Goblin Trash this week, it's at the point where the game buffers so hard, my attacks don't happen

Lost 15 ore because the caves are complete garbage performance. Also think the quest for 25 bars is bad and needs to be removed or changed. It's incredibly unfun to stand still in one spot and watch a progress bar fill over and over and over for one ore at a time.

[limber badge]

Quests need to be toned way down. It gets worse when you play almost every class like I do. My rogue has most quests done and that's about it. The others are just left in the dust with crappy merchants and unfinished goals.

[sour basalt]

I'd prefer them to be account-wide. Think that'd be way better. Especially considering how rare some of the drops seem to be (looking at you, Leather Caps!).

[limber badge]

It's a really significant issue to me that I can hit pathfinder with a class like warlock but still need to deliver X amount of leather hats because you need fifteen and it's purely RNG. It also makes me laugh that they give exp drops...who is benefiting from exp from these quests?

[wheat light]

trying to heal myself in solo and because the game thinks a corpse is Infront of me when i look down to self heal it heals the dead goblin beside me because dead ragdolls are client side

[zealous linden]

yea thats annoying i agree

[sour basalt]

Ressurrect is also way too high tier. in D&D, the first res is Spelltier 3, with material costs. Making it cost ... 8? Spell Memory AND a slot in your limited spell selection is way too limiting. I get that it is considered powerful, but is it really? You're calculating that you will not be able to keep your teammates alive, give up a potential buff/heal spell, and I don't even want to consider anything beyond this already.

[zealous linden]

do clerics at high level gameplay even use it? my buddies and i normally do not bother

[thorn plank]

solo ruins is so weird right now

[sour basalt]

I don't think I know a single cleric that runs it. It might as well not exist, and it will probably get massively tweaked once the game is considered feature-complete and they are going into the balance phase.

[wheat light]

depends on the play style and how much your barb likes to W key into fights i'd say most don't because of spell memory people just take sanctuary

[zealous linden]

yea sanctuary super strong

[sour basalt]

Ruins could also use reduced starting points. Because it sure as shooting is FUN spawning next to two warlocks, left and right, and getting bumrushed right at the start ... ruins is an asinine map and needs to be changed.

[mental mauve]

druid when

[zealous linden]

i really like how ruins feels but really think its balance is much worse than crytps

[sour basalt]

I'm biased, I never liked Ruins in the first place. And it just keeps making me loathe it more and more.

[split shore]

guys, barbarian rogue or fighter for a new solo player?

[thorn plank]

its moreso the extreme teaming culture it has created that confuses me

[wheat light]

it's a little too dark imo but i do like the layout if they added just a bit more moon light but the spawns are sometimes questionable but i feel it's the same for goblin caves plus goblin caves has like 0 portals and horrible module connections

[limber badge]

Fighter

[zealous linden]

i dont think any map is too dark but i agree on gc portals being too slim. i think ruins is way to open at the edges

[serene hazel]

Fighter

@sour basalt Fighter plays fine with longsword.

[sour basalt]

I'd say barbarian, if you like to go smorc. Fighter, thanks to the increase in attributes from items, has a little more oomph, but they broke shield mastery perk, so you pretty much go slayer or don'T play it. Rogue is nice, but you're just one more of the least liked class. A class filled by psychotic murderers that have nothing better to do than ruin everybody else's day to make their own misery slightly less depressing. Barb for fun, fighter for future versatility, rogue if you hate yourself.

@serene hazel It is fine, but they still broke the Shield Perk for Shields. Also Longsword takes quite a bit of training, and its unlikely a new player will find success with it quickly. It might actually be frustrating at first when you just want ot try out the class. Slayer is a far better build to "get into it". And Fighter in general is a good class. I just think Barb is more fun. Me go smash face/door/chest!

[split shore]

thanks guys LOL guess ill go for Fighter

[zealous linden]

fighter for sure. you get good ranged options and good armor options for little money. the option to shoot at someone with a bow or xbow dissuades alot of fights

[dense pumice]

Do you guys only have two maps rotating? The goblin caves and the castle ruins. What happened to the catacombs?

[sour basalt]

Crypts are now what you get when you take Ruins' red portals/stairs

[mint kindle]

if you get goblin caves just go make a coffee and don't play it

[graceful storm]

Barbarian it's the easiest takes 0 skill

[dense pumice]

Ohhh okay thanks nemm

[sour basalt]

It's also fairly PvE-centric, because a LOT of people will murder each other in Ruins, or take the blue portal to secure what they have.
Looking at you, psycho rogues and 'locks~

[spring prairie]

Can we fix the meta where you get more AP for opening portals than actually PVPing?

[zealous linden]

that is kind of odd , but why do people care about their rank

[main garden]

because the next wipe superiority is defined by this wipes rank, and you also get exclusive cosmetics ^

[vast junco]

this game is cool but plays like ass ranged is op and you can never out melee barb as a fighter solo with same gear

[main garden]

If you want to outplay a barb as a fighter all you have to do is be very good with a shield and somewhat decent with a crossbow, your welcome @vast junco

[plain hare]

It's easier to hit around shields than it is to block due to the shit servers and desync. Equal skill barb wins every time if they can get into Francisca range

[vast junco]

@main gardensuck nuts Barb has mor health and damage output

[brittle sinew]

is Earthquake weak against Barbs I have often had them just run across it and kill me?

[zealous linden]

figher can use throwing axes too lmfao

[main garden]

@plain hare are you the de$en I run through who thinks holding right click is blocking? Lmao @zealous linden congratulations on actually playing the game lol these guys are hopeless tho

[hazy bobcat]

i used chaf games to get the game and it says sign in from browser and it wont work any tips ?

[plain marsh]

goblin caves sucks and will continue to suck until they add red portals to it.

on top of that, the AI is clearly not performing as intended. they are not reacting to me when they should and it's very obvious the servers for those maps are strugglin

[wet crystal]

Skeleton Warlord is an awful boss

[main garden]

Tbh I would say the greatest downside about all the bosses is that it is not something you can learn yourself without it taking an insane amount of time, its annoying that I actively have to leave the game in order to learn how to play it, skeleton warlord is the worse offender of this, but they are supposed to be like a raid boss so I guess that is what is expected of us

[serene hazel]

Sound like a rouge player. Fast boy holds left click just the same.

Invis and double jump take less skill than the normal mechanics.

[zealous linden]

hes difficult to deal with for ranged charecters

[plain marsh]

barbs are oppressive in the lower ranks lol

[wet crystal]

the assasins teleporting + throwing kinves is just terrible, I can't do anything at all whatsoever w/o dying. Movespeed isn't enough, get blocked all the time, every single throwing knife connects it feels like, but if i strafe to dodge them, the assasins catch me quick af, teleport block the door, or some other bullshit

[serene hazel]

Not when I fight them at all. You can kite/space or wiff punish their slow attacks. My issue is strong longbow rangers or fighters who can reposte. Viking sword is the only argument cause barbarian moves to fast using it.

That I can agree with, ranger is imo the strongest class yet also takes skill.

[plain marsh]

you either need to kite them or just run away. people are bad at that in the lower ranks

[main raven]

apparently you can crouch and look down to avoid the knives I saw someone do it

[plain marsh]

assassins?

[limber badge]

I genuinely like the layout of the new goblin caves, and with mob density reduced it's less cancerous. However, it has way too many damn people and too few portals currently.

[wet crystal]

good to know, thanks. I'd just rather avoid the boss altogether. The diffuclty jump from the other 2 bosses, its not even close to the same difficulty.

[serene hazel]

Yeah 100% agree I just take a blue whenever he's there.

@rare turret Yes they do

[limber badge]

Warlord boss sumons assassin skeletons. They're super cool and I wish they existed outside of that boss fight.

[plain marsh]

oh. man im really strugglin with ruins teamers right now. preplanned teams are a common thing without question

[rare turret]

have the devs confirmed that you can get named uniques from goblin gambling cookies? never even heard of anyone getting one there, only rumors that you can

[serene hazel]

As fighter/barb that means I just kill more people when they team up. If I play ranger it is painful tho.

[limber badge]

What class you rocking the most right now? Not really relevant to what you said lmao just curious

[plain hare]

Watch oggiesons vid he clearly shows how reacting to block attacks is next to impossible and you have to predict everything or your shield gets phased through every time

[plain marsh]

warlock. it sucks becasue i win most 1v1

[limber badge]

are you running plate lock or spell lock? Or perhaps both. I tried running duos warlock but duos is nauseating with how many people run ranger so I stopped that lol

[serene hazel]

You can predict attacks based on the weapon. Shields are broken but longsword works fine.

[plain hare]

Yes, you can predict, but reacting and flicking a block are pretty much impossible which cuts out half of the skill of the defender off the bat and heavily favors the attacker to just spam attacks

[plain marsh]

platelock is terrible and should never be used. even without the mgical healing penalty the movement speed is enough to make it objectively terrible

@plain hare you can only really parry weapons that heavily telegraph their attack

[serene hazel]

I have parried after being hit. I also have landed an attack into a parry. Its for sure not impossible.

@plain marsh Not to mention the armor not helping much against rangers since it slows you down reversing it's effectiveness. Also warlock doesn't have sprint so its even worse.

[plain hare]

You may be thinking you reacted completely but the attacker may have incidentally dragged themselves into your parry too. Watch oggiesons vid on it, he clearly tests and shows how it isn't actually realistic with how the servers are now

@plain marsh yah, zwei and the war maul, but stuff like the first hit falchion is next to impossible it's so fast

[plain marsh]

falchion is parryable. second swing arming sword too

[serene hazel]

I mean I heard the metal noise and cut bros head off. Do I need to convince myself it was super talented and skillful? I won the fight who cares.

Also falch is easy you place the tip of the blade on opponents lower right shoulder(aka his right pectoral location) and you get 1st falch swing parry.

[plain hare]

Yah, I know it's parryable but only by predicting it. There is too much server lag to react to it in any way

[limber badge]

Platelock in trios with a cleric and bard is actually super nice, you can become almost completely immune to magic in fact. I wouldn't take it into pathfinder obviously but my friends and I had fun with it in lower ranks. Got some good kits out of it.

[gilded prairie]

** The crashing issue is fucking game breaking....... Have they addressed this at all? **

[limber badge]

They said it was a priority fix in their recent QnA

[low talon]

This game has become call of duty they should call it RangeAndRanger on full release

[main raven]

Landmine Rogue sure is fun to fight isn't it

Dead before I can even do anything

[plain hare]

The wanted to increase ttk and then giga buff stats on gear and now the 2 shot rogue meta is back

[zealous linden]

no

[main raven]

I was on Lock, and I DID have Hydra, so it was still a bit of a misplay on my part, but Christ I died before I could even activate Phantomize.

Sure is cool that the "stealthy" class doesn't even have to TRY to be stealthy to kill you

[limber badge]

It makes me laugh that you see them say "We want TTK to be longer" then introduce +6 stats and gear that ascends you to godhood

[main raven]

Rogues can become 100% invisible with Hide, 100% silent with Creep, and get a free damage boost with Ambush once they DO jump your sorry ass

I think the Stealth perk alone is part of why Rogue is so broken. Without it, they'd at least need good positioning

[gilded prairie]

Any idea on when the next hotfix is? I'm really struggling to play right now.

[peak rock]

i miss being able to queue the Howling Crypts yo

[limber badge]

Typically it's like once a week, last one was the 11th so I expect one thursday or friday I'm sure

[limber verge]

If all gear has more stats ttk doesn't drop dramatically

[limber badge]

My point more being that +3 all was an issue and made TTK within two or three hits. They removed that and instead added gear with +2/+3/+4 to stats like strength, but they can also roll +6 to phys bonuses. So no matter what, with high-end gear, you are deleting most characters within a hit or two. Which is what I thought they didn't want based on older QnA's and talks.
You have warlocks running around hitting 200+ with BoC and Zwei barbs cleaving heads off in a single blow. It's wild right now.

[main raven]

Well, it sort of does though. While health has been increased, so has the damage. This creates a problem when classes that can mostly avoid taking damage in the first place (Rogue/Ranger/Wizard) can just build enough damage to delete you from the game.

There's a reason Barbarian is currently meta; you already have a fair amount of survivability AND damage, so you just build for movespeed and maybe some more Vigor and you can just frag everything in the game.

[limber badge]

Don't forget vigor boosts health recovery so you can just tank the zone and completely ignore it in its entirety haha

[vocal bramble]

I find it hilarious that now that the pvp for the "loot mule" (rogue) has been nerfed the whole meta has switched to peaceful looting for the entire lobby as everyone wants ap and rogues no longer have incentive to attack anyone as its counter productive to ap grind 😂 demigod will be so easy this season

[main raven]

I still find the Health Recovery scaling odd; at 15 Vigor it's 0%, at 31 it's 100% iirc, and at around 36 its only like 130%

Looking at the actual numbers, the scaling is insane up to 35 and then falls off drastically. This isn't very good considering Barbs already start at 25 lmao

[limber badge]

It's kind of funny, lower ranks feel way more dangerous than pathfinder+. Because when you hit those upper ranks, people understand pvp is relatively pointless, unless you're trying to kill someone for an impressive kit you saw in lobby.

[vocal bramble]

💯

[main raven]

Wait, actually the scaling is insane from 15 to 25 with a 7% increase per point, and Barbs fckin start at 25 rofl

[limber verge]

And this tbh, I think ruins to crypts is good but I just wish the statics opened a little sooner. Ruins has me so anxious for some reason lol.

[wide wharf]

Can you for the love of god do something about the crazy amount of cheaters in SEA servers?

[torn comet]

Play rogue then get back 2 me

[subtle heart]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[limber badge]

It's wild, like you can actually sit and rest and out heal the swarm. No campfire needed.

[main raven]

I find it hilarious that you don't have an actual argument whatsoever that refutes anything I said. Doesn't help that everything I said is true (at least in the first part)

[torn comet]

Rogue isn’t completely silent with creep 1st off and I have yet to see somsoen run it, plus there’s plenty of counter play. Not to mention do you know how hard it is to sneak up on somsone?

[main garden]

@main raven I watched a demigod rouge ambush a barbarian and then get angry when the barbarian turned around and 1 shot him in the head with one of the heaviest weapons in the game, bardiche, rouges get angry when they can't instakill the tankiest classes in the game - the guys name is Kobienan or whatever, some trash player

[limber badge]

I said this earlier today but invisibility is not a fun mechanic to play against. Complete invisibility in a first person game with PVP sucks, be it rogue invis or invis pot. Editing on mobile is horrendous.

[main raven]

You don't have to sneak up on someone. It doesn't even matter if they know you're there or not; you STILL have the jump on them anyway since you can move around while completely invisible and get a damage bonus if you're using Ambush.

Hide has exactly three counters; Light Orb, Hydra, and the Ranger's tracker perk. Out of these three, I'd argue that Hydra is the only counter that's actually effective

[vapid oyster]

lol 3 counters. literally any aoe works fine, I kill rogues with songs all the time lol

[main garden]

Bard didn't exist before this latest hotfix tbf ^

[torn comet]

If ur running fighter, or barb you don’t get 1 shot, in fact you’re one shotting them! only classes getting “landminded” are ranger warlock bard

[limber badge]

I legit have never been taken out of invis by a bard, but I also know that if I hear a bard playing a song, I'm not sitting there letting him finish. He has to put his instrument away, and that is precious seconds to slap him in the face.

[north arrow]

are the goblin caves still making any of yall crash cuz it still is for me

[vapid oyster]

it's also super obvious sometimes. Any time I hear footsteps and open a door and see nothing I just run around swinging my falchion around. Kill rogues all the time. Somtimes I fireball a corner just to be safe. If you get ambushed a lot you need to git gud and turn your volume up or something. It's going to happen sometimes but if it's a thing that happens a lot it's on you lol

[main raven]

Its obvious sometimes, but they still get the jump on you. If you start blindly swinging they can punish you instantly.

Plus, while you'd lose out on damage, running Hide AND Smoke Pot basically means no one can touch you or catch up to you

All in all its just annoying to play against. I do think Rogues should be sort of annoying to play against just by design, but they should be more of a trickster/utlity class than a Ctrl+E+W class that deletes squishes from complete invis

[limber badge]

Being caught pick pocketing then using smokepot to run away while screaming "Thanks for the loot" is some of the most fun you can have in the game right now

[vapid oyster]

99% of the time it's impossible to be invis, and in position, and not making any noise. They can move 10 steps, slowly, and it last 20 seconds. If you're getting ambushed every game you're not listening or something

[fading root]

does eldrich shield work on ghost king

[gritty breach]

I love that they keep this open for constant debate. I hope Ironmace keeps this going.

[main raven]

I mean, while the landmine Rogue meta sucks, its currently their only viable playstyle besides roleplaying as a far worse Ranger. In a straight fight Bards are basically better than Rogues in every way, and Bards can even lockpick chests for free rofl

[vocal bramble]

as a rogue main, until there is pvp buffs for rogue imo the friendly lobby looting meta wont change. Lets say they change a large portion of ap points to pvp, we are still underpowered in HR lobbies so a rogues incentive is still to farm whatever points they can with the statistics of getting out alive with ap (farming). If people chase a rouge then they just need to run getaway perks and skills and max agility/move speed and when enough people realize chasing a rogue provides 0 ap they will shift back to fighting amongst themselves and allowing the rogues to free farm or everyone free farm imo

[limber badge]

Isn't it something that instead of adjusting landmine rogue, they just made default kit rogue worse with the latest nerf? I find that amusing. Instead of boosting up other strengths, the just...made default rogue worse. For some reason.

[vapid oyster]

ya rogue loses any kinda straight up fight, and even with an ambush you might lose. I've played a lot of rogue and I prefer to just play bard lol

[main raven]

They didn't just make default Rogue worse; they literally killed every other viable playstyle BESIDES Landmine. The Short Sword nerf in particular was insanity.

Its a weapon with fairly short range, but fast attack speed and high mobility. Then everyone starts using it and now it's literally just a worse Rapier.

It really says something when the Rogue's best PvE weapon is a Rondel Dagger lmao

[limber badge]

Oh yeah, the shortsword nerf was also super weird. I don't know how they thought reducing a squishy classes' hp even more punishes/discourages landmine.

[last iris]

watch somekindofdogs recent zero to hero and say landmine rouge is the only one left...a blue kryss naked does like 300 damage in its combo

[brisk lava]

No it doesn't lol naked? It does like 120 or less

[vapid oyster]

rogue weapon choice is so ass. I'll be on my ranger and see a rogue and pull out my arming sword and just chop em up. Absolutely hilarious that rangers have better melee weapons than rogues

Meanwhile on my bard I'm rocking a falchion and an xbow/surv bow

[main raven]

Why does everyone use a Kris dagger? Last I checked its not very good

[vocal bramble]

It was more challenging to get to demigod as rogue with the incentive of fighting and knowing I will lose some exchanges and ap in return. I would also allow more opportunity for people to kill me and get a ton of BIS. Now with the barb/plated warlock meta its not worth it at all to fight and lose a fight where im at a disadvantage even with a protection potion popped. All I need to do to GUARANTEE demigod is literally stack bandages, potions, max agility/move speed, and farm in the swarm.

[limber badge]

It has good damage output, less movespeed penalty, and the shiv animation is extremely powerful

[marble tangle]

Wait, plate Warlock is meta?

[weary fractal]

Honestly I like the Plate Warlock so far lol. Feels weird cuz it is weird.

[stone prism]

what the usual rate for cobalt ore?

[limber badge]

It's just SO slow in a meta where movespeed is king, which makes it hard to use. I liked it in trios with a cleric and bard/wizard.

[vocal bramble]

it can counter play barb

[weary fractal]

true, but with extra PDR you can take more hits and get more value out of Dark reflection.

[scarlet trellis]

which stat helps with pickpocket speed? Is it resourcefulness or just "regular interaction speed" like on gloves?

[marble tangle]

I haven't tried plate Warlock in HR, but I imagine it's just.. You get kited by anyone that knows what they're doing.

If you go out with BoC + Phantomize, then you have the one gimmick, and you're still slower than every class, right?
If you go out with spells, then you're going to be doing a lot of bandaging, which leaves you vulnerable. Since healing potions give 4HP back.

[main raven]

I think the Rondel and Stilleto are easily the best daggers due to their attack speeds

@marble tangle Your curses actually don't delete any recoverable HP, so plate caster Lock isn't as crazy as it sounds

[limber badge]

Stilleto and rondel suffer from pinpoint accuracy whereas the kris is a slashing attack that can land hits more easily. And the shiv is like holding out a falchion for some reason, with the hitbox.

[dry nebula]

This is completely accurate

[marble tangle]

I know the curses leave you with recoverable HP. You still have to bandage it all the time though, since plate Warlock can't just use a healing potion to gradually recover what's lost while casting.

I really feel like for plate Warlock to be viable in HR, they need a ranged option (throwing knives, hand crossbow, whatever), and potions need to do something for them.
But again, I haven't played HR Plate Warlock. I just can't imagine a world where the slowest moving character with no movement abilities, ever gets to kill a Ranger/Bard/Rogue/Wizard. Or a caster Warlock, for that matter.

[vapid oyster]

pretty silly that it affects hp pots

[dry nebula]

genuinely if it just had its healing not nerfed it would be good

[marble tangle]

I see no reason why healing potions should be "magical healing". That said, I don't think changing them to physical healing, would make Plate Warlock good. I think it'd make Plate Warlock viable, and more fun. As it is, I just play Plate Warlock in white lobbies as a suicide bomber.

[spring mesa]

this guy cheating or legit? https://clips.twitch.tv/FreezingUninterestedPoultryHeyGirl-3RG_tJMq1Dn2Idc1

[nova onyx]

what is volcanic ash worth???

[vocal bramble]

with plate warlock you have so much hp you can sacrifice it to use spells like enhancing dmg on your weapon + boc, still utilizing hydra & flamewalk, or soul collector its a different playstyle just bring bandages, campfires, and surgical kits. bardiche buffs works well with him too

[vapid oyster]

lol

[vocal bramble]

I recommend doing plate warlock landmine style with invis pot just like the barbs do to close the distance initially or trapping them off from the exit/door with hydra and forcing fight

[marble tangle]

No, yeah, I get the strat of "Buff my damage until I'm hitting for 140 in white lobbies." The problem comes in two forms. One, healing as a plate Warlock is a pain. If you're missing non-recoverable HP, which you're going to be after a fight, then you have to campfire or surg kit. So, every fight ends with you spending a campfire or surg kit.

And more importantly, you have no catch. A Bard with a Survival bow can kill you. Because you cannot do anything against it. Your only option is to hope he backs into a corner, so you can finally kill him.

Barbs have insane movespeed though, lol.

Hydra doesn't even block doors. You can jump over them. At least, I've never successfully trapped anyone with one, and never been trapped by one. They've always been jumpable.

[main raven]

I think Hydra is more-or-less to flush people out of cover. After all, even if it kinda sucks in combat, turning a 1v1 into a 2v1 isn't particularly fun for your opponent lol

[marble tangle]

Agreed. Hydra is a great form of harass. Especially when you just heal off it, so it costs nothing at all.
Which Plate Warlock can't do. (The healing part, I mean.)

[vocal bramble]

yeah idk in white lobbies people dont care about dying as there is no skin in the game so I can't speak for it there, I play in hr and where im at people only care about ap so a warlock isnt dying to a overcomitted player as they need to farm ap and there is less incentive to fight at high rank hr vs friendly farming lmao. So in regards to hr fighting its usually 1v1 or occasional 1v2/1v1v1 where its a different story and that is what it is. Imo the you will mostly encounter a 1v1 in hr lobby with enough time to bandage/surgical heal after. there is plenty counter play to plate warlock, just my opinions (for solo que hr)

[marble tangle]

I haven't played any solo HR this season. Exclusively duos, where I got Pathfinder in the first few days, and stopped caring about the grind after that. Don't get me wrong, I still play HR every now and then. But I'm not worried about the ranks at this point.

In Ruins specifically, I still just can't imagine Plate Warlock doing anything, lol. I feel like you just hope people don't fight you, and that's it. Because otherwise, anyone that wants to kite you around in circles is going to do just that. That's certainly what I'll be doing, if I ever see a Plate Warlock in HR Duos.

[limber badge]

Just lost the run of my life on warlock to a DC, how tragic.

[jaunty topaz]

The final boss of Dark and Darker
||It ended abnormally||

[marble tangle]

Is it just me, or every time you disconnect, you have to launch the game twice? I get a disconnect, and it shows the error, closes the game.. I relaunch, and before I even get to the character select screen, it closes again with the connection lost error again.. Re-launching again, it works.

[spring mesa]

having a hard time getting to wanderer, any rogue tips https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068515184689283123/1196972445358375062/image.png?ex=65b99275&is=65a71d75&hm=125617fca5e425d0940203e44e9a623677ed621e9208fb7c37c9f114f1f4d94f&

[limber badge]

exactly what happened lol
Time to just play normies and not care about losing white kits
@marble tangle Can confirm

[abstract siren]

Nerf blow of corruption already Jesus how has warlock not been balanced yet

[jaunty topaz]

It's a known issue, I get that too as well as alot of other people

[vocal bramble]

Im being completely literal when I say that 90% of solo que hr lobbies are friendly looting lol, i definitely know that duo and trio is agro as I will go solo rogue into those ques to farm (easy gold for solos as the people are either fighting in one area of map or are looting together in certain areas of the map which allows solos to farm safely in more areas of the map. I imagine a lot of flaws with duo and trio plate warlock, but solo hr in this friendly solo que meta exists

[spring prairie]

Warlock is the newest class. balance rogues, rangers, and barbs first

[spring mesa]

@placid ibex https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068515184689283123/1196976782163836948/image.png?ex=65b9967f&is=65a7217f&hm=19a3d43df7bc4a863dab0a8af3dfe04d2d58d5281eccb65b07978e04dfe41b54&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068515184689283123/1196976782725894214/image.png?ex=65b9967f&is=65a7217f&hm=58906555d285bee3e4dbaf95de83071894128a5a80a3c3c3b04eb5ebca66369f&
This is what you can see from that window. So yeah, cheating

[placid ibex]

atleast we know lol, everyone else can cope but that guy is 1000% cheating. nothing he did made any sense. could hardly see you from the window, ten steps with creep, comes up and hs you as if you were visible. some bs my dude

[jaunty topaz]

Blow of Corruption is basically the only "good" thing about warlock lmao

[lilac prairie]

If I’m voyager will I get voyager only In lobby’s

[zealous jay]

pathfinder+ can que up to demigods

[lilac prairie]

So lobby’s don’t change after pathfinder?

[dry nebula]

correct

[fallen loom]

yo im looking for people to kill lich for quest either on my bard or fighter any takers?

[zealous jay]

yep so you can find full gold teams after hitting pathfinder pretty easy

[weary fractal]

what if he just had a little desync lag because of server issues lol what if 80% of sus cheating scenarios are literally just Desync, and High Ping Issues. Not really far fetched when half of the player base are getting disconnects, rubber banding, and severe lag routinely.

[placid ibex]

so desync explains him seeing someone invis and tapping them hs? does desync remove invis? and tell you where people are? this opinion is bad lol

[weary fractal]

Desync and lag can cause all sorts of weird issues. It could mean something as simple as shadows failing to render fast enough and looking at a wireframe model of a character before the game renders the graphics properly. It can mean movement desync too like a person thinks they are hidden but the server hasn't registered their movement yet and shows them as still standing there.

[placid ibex]

the invis bug has not been a thing for ages and the rouge invised himself ages before it would have been useful if he didnt already know. he opened the door with the play in mind and he couldnt tell where he was because of creep. its literally 99.9% i dunno why you guys are coping about it. he is literally clearly cheating, he has a barb he needs to worry about but somehow he invisis out a doorway and headshot stabs a rouge that was invis 5-10 seconds before he got there with creep and 10 steps? are you delusional or what? there is 0 chance thats the play he makes if he doesnt know for sure. like why would you waste invis and shit for a chance at stabbing someone who might not be there. just make it make sense

[weary fractal]

So there's literally a history of an invis bug like this happening and you think it can't reoccur especially after they recently reworked stealth code?

[placid ibex]

thanks for not replying to what i said at all

[weary fractal]

Yes.

[placid ibex]

yeah i would say that too if i had literally nothing else to say after typing for 3 mins. you are wrong

[wintry sun]

Anybody know if buff duration bonus actually increased the healing of stuff like second wind? Does it elongate it so you heal the same 30%, just over a longer period, or does it heal 33% with 10% buff duration bonus?

[dense heron]

Swarm shouldn't sting you in phantomize you aren't physically there to be stung unless the bugs cast spells tell me ironmace these bugs casting spells???

[spring mesa]

Queued into repoze as a neophyte today. Almost had him too

[idle sky]

As far as I know buff duration actually has a negative interaction with second wind. It increases the duration but not the healing received, so you receive the healing slower than you would normally.

[weary fractal]

You are Vulnerable to magic damage with phantomize and Invulnerable to physical afaik

[compact hill]

love getting 2 shot by a rogue within 1 min of normal solo start wtf is this game

[wintry sun]

I'm guessing this is the same for debuff duration, so if a Warlock has +10% debuff duration, it actually lowers their DPS

[idle sky]

Don't think so. I think curse of pain actually works as you would expect.

[dense heron]

Yes but the swarm still hits what is the lore behind the swarm stinging you in phantomize? Are they magical are they all evil little wizard bugs? How do you take swarm damage whilst not being there to be stung???? Ironmaaaaace get in here

[spring mesa]

I’ve killed people behind the wooden board spawn in gc before they had a chance to break it

[placid ibex]

simply the storm is a magic force of nature, the zone that sorrounds us isnt physical but magical. and i mean i can see that being the case it doesnt seem too "physical" to me lol. makes perfect sense if you down a half litre of whiskey and squint a bit

[wild jay]

Orrrrr people are just cheating. Cheating is common. Like 30% of people cheat in games. So thats like 1 in 3 people

[placid ibex]

he doesnt want to believe it. just let him live in fantasy land

[subtle heart]

FIX THESE SHIT ASS SERVERS

[dense heron]

Lmao I bet

[plain marsh]

the goblins in goblin cave barely react to you half the time

[weary fractal]

All Im saying is it could also be lag in some cases. The servers are far from stable for a lot of the playerbase and not all of are blessed with decent internet on the client side.

[leaden vapor]

Need a geared cleric to play alongside a fully gold bard and fighter. Please DM

[dark thorn]

am i the only one who thinks not being able to start a match in crypts is dumb?

[brisk lava]

how is there still no announcement for this lag

[snow pawn]

has there been any annoucement on when Nicholas goes away?

[brisk lava]

bruh peoples internet is fine im on 1gig fiber local servers and im rubberbanding like a m f its the game

[long creek]

Can we get a gamemode where the extremely unfun pvp doesnt get in the way

[brisk lava]

he means unfun pve*

[vapid oyster]

it's the servers

[limber badge]

Phantomize + flamewalker feels so cheesy lmao, but I can't NOT use it when playing warlock.

[brisk lava]

ik thats what i just said

[long creek]

I actually did mean pve

[plain marsh]

forcing us into ruins has turned this game into wait and waiter. forcing us to play goblin caves means we have to wait even more if we dont want to play it.

[wet crystal]

Where is this so called trader channel? Not the one in-game. My friends are always posting items there, i got a good bow and I want to see what it's worth. Is it a channel in here, or a different discord?

[plain marsh]

maybe find a different game

[brisk lava]

[sacred ice]

yooo i need help.. Update integrity failed... my homie hasnt been able to play in months...

[limber badge]

Just reach pathfinder or up. No one ever pvps, and if they do, half the lobby swarms them. The current AP system does not reward kills or looting corpses well at all, and death is costly at those ranks, so fighting is few and far between.

[plain marsh]

there are some hell spawns i just straight up cant survive anymore

[limber verge]

huh.

[shy zealot]

Can buff duration bonus on crafted items please be removed? Basically no one wants buff duration bonus on anything, ever, and it is on nearly every single crafting item. Same with debuff duration bonus. These are not useful rolls to 99% of the playerbase and makes most rolls worthless on these items. Same thing with any sort of memory capacity or magic interaction speed on weapons where it cannot possibly be used. Memory capacity on 2 handed weapons is worthless, memory capacity on weapons like the flanged mace or Viking sword or bows are worthless. They are completely dead stats and shouldn't be possible to roll where they are not capable of being used.

Basically the only rolls anyone wants on weapons is +damage, sometimes +dex/actionspeed and occasionally +health. There are specific cases like falchions where mem capacity and magic interaction speed are useful to warlock, but those rolls should still only appear 33% of the time, not 95% of the time.

[long creek]

meant pve

[limber badge]

Okay real talk, how do you fight a cockatrice without needing to cheese it on a high rock or something? I get turned to stone 50% of the time even when I'm not looking at it.

[main garden]

Theres a guide on YT, but yea its so challenging that its a waste of time if you can't cheese it, especially since the loot is garbage most of the time - unless your on that AP grind

[limber badge]

Just needed one more kill for my warlock, I made the mistake of trying to fight it fairly. Thank God for infinite hydra heals.

[snow pawn]

does will/+buff duration ONLY affect how long buffs last on me?? or does it also affect how long buffs i cast on others last as well...?

[plain marsh]

i dont like hydra lifedrain. i think it's objectively worse. i've really had the most luck on a caster with boc

[limber badge]

You think so? Feels really easy to just suck the hydra off and get max HP even mid-fight
Phantomize + flamewalker also stop legit every barb or fighter from giving chase to me which is also extremely handy. Phantomize in general feels busted, press button to get out of jail free card.

[plain marsh]

You're a sitting duck for someone pushing you imo

[limber badge]

That's where phantomize and flamewalker come in handy to melt all who push me. I think it's nuts you can even use the two simulatenously.

[sturdy rune]

TIL you can leave through the blue stairs on the map, thought you needed a portal lol

[coral mulch]

youre leveling up

[limber badge]

there's blue AND red static stairs, in fact.

[sturdy rune]

I knew about the red ones to go deeper, just didn't realize about the blue ones, I thought they were just stairs to go into a room under the one on the map

So what is the game loop here is it just save up enough money/rare gear to go into high roller, rinse and repeat?

I play Tarkov and that's a lot more straight forward because there's no limit to what gear you can bring in so once you get money you can just bring better gear

[limber badge]

Honestly, if you are used to playing tarkov, I would just recommend going HR. It's free, and the loot you acquire there will beat basically anything you find in normals. It's going to be much more difficult though.

[sturdy rune]

I'm fairly new in Tarkov too, and this game is WAY harder than Tarkov for me

[limber badge]

Alrighty in that case, maybe stick with normals for a while to get the feel for things. But the core experience, in my opinion, comes from high roller.

[sturdy rune]

Ah cool, good to know, something to look forward to diving into

[subtle heart]

does crush give ap when u break chests instead of looting

[limber badge]

Yeah! It's a lot of fun going from Ruins - Crypts - Inferno in HR, surviving against the hellish mobs and other adventurers. If you can attempt that route in normals, I highly recommend it.

[coral mulch]

not sure, you would have to test

[limber badge]

Good profile pic

[coral mulch]

hahah you to thanks

[limber badge]

[ocean furnace]

does a white weapon do more damage than a grey even if the damage is the same?

[vapid oyster]

wat

[sturdy rune]

they're asking if there is a damage bonus from rarity, I don't think so but I'm a newb

[coral mulch]

no rarity doesn't have any special effect on the stats of a weapon

[limber badge]

woot another kit lost to disconnect, two in one night. Can't even be mad this time.

[hardy wolf]

Wish they'd take inspect out of the game, Its helping pre teamers find a target in pre lobby, to me its pointless imo

[gritty breach]

I am afraid of not teaming in solos because everyone is teaming. It is literally HORRIBLE.

[hardy wolf]

right now its shocking, there is no punishment for it and it cannot be proven, I lost a 50k set yesterday to it

[viscid hamlet]

Rough dude. I lost 100k set the other day to teaming

[hardy wolf]

What made it more tilting is i got stalked bya fresh rogue at the start just sitting on the wall watching me, The other guy came from the other side a barb and over voip he was pretending to not know the rogue by saying 'stay away from me rogue i dont trust you' then they both jumped on my face, spectated and theyre both standing over my body.....just cringe af, I wouldnt mind one bit but its the fact i receive minus 450 points for that bs, dont mind losing gear, its more the points lossed, can take 3 games to gather that back + the time sitting on market for a new set

[muted abyss]

ATTENTION WILL PAY BIG BUCKS FOR A COPPERLIGHT STRAW HAT. I NEED THAT DRIP SOS

[vivid bay]

is old cloth used in any quests?

[wild jay]

Just ban teaming and then make a mode where its allowed and then bam all the teamers can just play that mode for their "unique experience" youre welcome

[rapid vapor]

A few

[vivid bay]

damn

[keen latch]

IM JUST CONVINCED ROGUE PLAYERS ARE TRASH

[keen void]

This games ai is truly last gen

[hollow elbow]

How many cookies would be a fair trade for 20 ingots?

[warped raft]

this shit is seriously the cycle right now

[gusty pollen]

Any confirmed timeline on Druid?

[green sandal]

anyone got an invite link for the Collectors Guild

[brisk lava]

we going to nerf movecap barbs anytime soon or what is this shit?

[keen latch]

its crazy how people just skip mobs

[signal crown]

Love this game but so sick of getting 2-3 tapped with arrows every single match. Might as well get rid of every class and only have ranger available since everyone is running bows and playing like a ranger anyways.

[plain marsh]

goblin caves is not fun. you are losing players by forcing them to play a bugged map. it's literally an all out brawl every time. which is sometimes fun, but i dont always want that

[junior wasp]

Can anyone help me transfer some white items to another character? Been waiting all night for the vendor to sell me the items on the character I want but I’ve got unlucky. 100g when the transfer is done

[plain marsh]

just play the game dude it's not that important

[junior wasp]

Stay mad I’m playing the game how I want 🤣

[keen latch]

omg POOPSALAD

[plain marsh]

im not even mad? just tellin you that what you're tryna do is trivial. if you want to spend the time on white items be my guest

[junior wasp]

Dudes mad he’s getting dumped in gob caves quit talking to me lmao 😂

[plain marsh]

bro ur doin normals chill

[keen latch]

@junior wasp he does this every night

[junior wasp]

Not everyone has fun the way you do. Also the fact you’re in here whining about one of the two maps makes me question if you’re even having fun 😂 I’ve already got my items transferred and having a ball with my rondel daggers on wizard

[neon rune]

People spend more time complaining on here than actually playing in-game. Die to something a few times and immediately catastrophise that its the end of the game, their life, the world, and the devs must condemn it.

[gentle sigil]

does anyone have a spare uncommon viking helm i need it for the cobalt helmet

[south badge]

Any chance this next patch isn’t shit?

[plain marsh]

im not enjoyin goblin caves at all. if they just added down portals i wouldnt have a problem with it

@neon rune reality is that when you play solo you have a lot of downtime where you're waiting

[last cedar]

does anyone know about error codes in this game. i keep getting error code 60 and 10 when buying things from the merchants and game is really laggy

[plain marsh]

i've had that happen restart your game

[last cedar]

yea, i restarted and did a scan and repair. still happening i've never seen it before

[magic vigil]

what are volcanic ashes going for nowadays?

[brisk lava]

https://streamable.com/8tu6r6 yall gonna fix the game any time soon or do i have to continue losing 5k kits to this bs

[shrewd bolt]

hahaha thats so fucked

[brisk lava]

whether its rubberbanding or this shit it happens constantly so aids

[pseudo zinc]

I feel like enemy AI as a whole rn needs some love tbh. Its nice in the variety aspect but in the uniqueness aspect they all virtually do the same thing, Im not saying they need STALKER level smart or anything, just general things that make them a lot more engaging to fight.

[brisk lava]

trade chat simulator 🛌

[shrewd bolt]

getting rubberbanding alot but i havent got stuck like that yet, was it a bug with the door?

[somber cape]

any bad players need free gold? I need to offload stuff from this character's stash since im deleting it

[brisk lava]

i think so the mob kinda pushed me into the door but even when it broke i couldnt move -_-

[static onyx]

I’m only a little bad but I’ll take ur gold

[untold wasp]

i have a quest to kill litch 15 times, I am playing solos howerver, any tips?

[somber cape]

well how much gold do you have in your stash

[static onyx]

Uhhhhhh, like 2………..thousand…..and some ingots

But compared to streamers I’m middle income🗿

[neon rune]

got a chuckle out of me, imagine getting mad you made an ill-advised jump over a spider, got stuck, and died

[brisk lava]

imagine defending shit bugs like that like a low iq person

[neon rune]

never knew DarkSydePhil played this game

[uneven nebula]

The DCs on this game are so bad today lol. Client keeps on randomly crashing. Can y'all please figure out the game? Please lol

[brisk lava]

prostatepuncher might tell you it's your pc

[neon rune]

nah, your problem is your brain, because you tried getting between a door and a live enemy, attempted a jump over and got stuck, which to most people would be an insanely ill-advised move

[brisk lava]

problem is you should probably go back to reddit

[trim hazel]

They gonna rollback the server today？

[neon rune]

Please go back to making more quality clips for me to laugh over.

[brisk lava]

🤓

[drowsy cedar]

Best class to farm solos?

[brisk lava]

https://streamable.com/1e7nqg game is totally fine nerd

[neon rune]

see, this is what you get for being a naughty boy

[brisk lava]

cringe

is there a bug with invis pots? i think they make 0 sound when drinking

[tight vine]

updating game broken or something? stuck at 0% forever

[tardy garden]

can you buy quest items from other players to turn in?

[silk bluff]

Necromancer when?

[wanton otter]

Yes and No. Traded/bought items are "Handled" and almost all quests need it LOOTED from a run yourself.

but certain quests like ones for ingots can be bought on tradechat.

[deep kayak]

Ranger best class for everything if you can aim

[muted geyser]

how do I fix the crashing?

[torpid oxide]

"Serious issue?"

[native nexus]

What is the serious issue?

[honest obsidian]

LETS GOOOO I LOST MORE AP AND ANOTHER KIT

[brisk lava]

hopefully it addresses the aids lag

[neon rune]

the serious issue is the attitude of a lot of players, innit

[floral hedge]

What is the serious issue besides lag/desync

[grand lantern]

damn there goes my kit lmaoo

[hasty bluff]

kill 2 players, get down to crypts and die to disconnect. Feels good

[little salmon]

Whats the new thing being patched?

[fleet owl]

How do people manage how much space gold takes up? I have like a whole tab devoted to it x.x

[silk anchor]

close to uninstalling this . Barbarians are so broken its infuriating. cant even outrun them with 320 move speed lol IM are clearly barb mains.

[grand lantern]

they didnt say. some serious issue

[crude radish]

yeah barbs should have 0 gap closers and fall over when fighting any range class

[native verge]

learn2corners LUL

[brisk lava]

buying gold ingots to consolidate gold

[fleet owl]

They stay consistent in price?

[little salmon]

It's almost like fighting a barb up close is bad or something 🤷‍♂️ : D

[grave sequoia]

stupid question by a trading noob: What items should I focus to get out of the run for gold, I know about wolf skins, but are there any other monster drops or high value items which I should keep. Been throwing away stuff because I didnt know the value

[mighty sonnet]

barb should have more move speed and access to plate armor and crossbows. and a sprint ability

[brisk lava]

yeah they've been 300g ea for a while now

[fleet owl]

Thank you

[brisk lava]

kap

[soft sedge]

SERIOUS ISSUES EH..

[undone sierra]

can troll pelt drop from cyclops?

[mellow fable]

anyone know the issue?

[silk anchor]

Barbs.

[muted geyser]

went all in with my main loot, didnt even connect to the game before I was dead 😄

[subtle shore]

Be honest, which class do you think is the best right now

[lavish cargo]

wizard 100%

[devout night]

Wizard

[thorn rapids]

wizard is way too strong especially in solo

[subtle shore]

is that off the rip or with gear because any class can be the best with gear. I guess wiz with positioning and space, always wins, but only if you have enough spells. Ranger would beat wiz 1v1

[valid surge]

warlock and wiz busted in solo for trios its just depends on class 3 wiz can work but having a frontline and 2 dps or 1 dps and healer is usually better

[devout night]

nuh uh

[trim crystal]

YEAH i think its the crashes
it kills it for me. i am not going in with good gear period

[gilded lotus]

I haven't had any issue crashing

[grave sequoia]

it crashed for me all morning

[uneven nebula]

Yup this happened to a friend and myself the other day. I had multiple legendaries on me xd

[trim crystal]

well it does not crash its more like freezes

[quick fern]

@subtle shore fighter/barbarian/ranger

[eager night]

can they bring the servers back up already?

[hexed zenith]

Did they fix game crash issue yet?

[loud merlin]

extended for an hour

[plain hare]

servers REEE

[hexed zenith]

Oh, I didn’t know they started on hotfix already. I stop playing after losing 3full kits to those crashes…

[daring wedge]

what was the serious issue? server issues?

[bronze ember]

What was the issue in the patch notes?