game-discussion

[midnight moon]

I would say it's the absolute opposite. New players are barely making it out of matches at all. It's bad enough they don't know the maps. They are now facing up against teams who not only have experience they don't, but also kit after kit with best stats on gear. Trade isn't some magical place that they can easily gear up and hop in with. They have to extract against people who can fill up their gear over and over.

If they manage to beat a geared up player, that player just hops back into trade and buys a whole new set with perfect stats. It's not like they have to re-earn that gear.

[formal moon]

This version of trading is never fun and always terrible. Why it needs to be improved, not removed. @solid ocean obviously look at WoW, they literally just joined up with gold sellers because it was too much to manage. However, simply giving up is not a solution and will only do more damage than good.

[knotty canopy]

trading is ass because of the time needed to sit there waiting to get your trade not for any other reason

[spare horizon]

@knotty canopy @cinder berry you have to have a small IQ to be fascinated with small objects, im not. so i will not do anything with your little nutz.

[pulsar pebble]

Only time the trading channel isnt a pain in the ar$e is when im just looking for cheap, usable greens/blues. Not BIS. Not perfect rolls. Just a fast blue falchion with an okay roll just so my friends arent waiting for 30 mins while i try to race a bot to open the trade first lol

[warped raft]

plenty of other reasons its ass, the waiting forever part just makes all the rest of it even worse with that on top of it

[prisma marsh]

Exactly my point. Solo self found solves nothing, it just increases the gear gap. Top tier players can and will grind multiple sets of BIS-tier armor with or without trading

[simple echo]

maybe do like unique messages every other message or you could make a tavern for person to person trades like in game not class specific

[crisp marsh]

Gotta love watching someone sell an item for 50-100 gold, you click to trade and it says they are already trading with someone…then a few seconds later you see the same item now being sold for 500+ gold…

[midnight parrot]

Bards need buffs those nerfs was not needed

[solid ocean]

You want organically found loadouts. You want people that can play well to have the advantage and not people who play the market well or get gear by paying. Open markets do not allow for this. Maybe try playing something like Last Epoch and then compare to PoE.

[wild jay]

Like y'all are legit telling me you've never been hunted into the ground? The circle saves me.....I'm half convinced that the people who don't want the circle are the people who want the freedom to just mow the lobby down without any pressure whatsoever...and yeah I mean I'm looking forward to solo self found but why would it be any different from what's happening now?

[cinder berry]

Why u mad 🫥

[midnight moon]

How are people who come in new or fresh expected to even afford a set in trade? Saying they are at a disadvantage without trade doesn't make sense. They are at a disadvantage with it because they can't afford to shop there. Their enemies can, over and over.

At least without trade, it's harder for people who have time to play to maintain sets. And the sets they have certainly won't be perfectly optimized the way it is with trade access.

[spare horizon]

@cinder berry no anger just fax.

[pulsar pebble]

Ya the ol "i dont know what this is worth so ill test the waters and see if im lowballing myself"

[empty sigil]

No, I think normal lobbies were actually harder/sweatier/more overgeared when gear cap was in place

[formal moon]

You want player interaction, this solo self found is just going to get abused and it's funny to think otherwise. The reality is you're just proposing more systems that will benefit the exploiters than organic players.

[warped raft]

bard can literally be a one man army even after the nerfs so yea it def does not need any buffs, plus there are other classes out there that really need to be toned down cause they have the ability to be like 5 classes in one

[solid ocean]

Explain how it benefits exploiters more? I'm sorry but you've got an entirely empty argument.

[prisma marsh]

Because exploiters know where to get the best gear. Newer players don't even know where to get decent gear.

[simple echo]

People who are more intuned to the meta will know the best spots for gear its not hard

[pulsar pebble]

Ill take self found lobbies over the train wreck thats on the servers right now. Lol
Im sorry the seal clubbers arent going to be happy tommorow but something is going to be added to control what you can bring into the match. Its that or servers will be sub 10k within a few days

[formal moon]

because they'll still sell gear and just die to the ppl that bought it and the pub stomping will still happen and the meta will still get blown away and min maxing will still be the thing

[crisp marsh]

I can’t wait for all the drastic changes coming tomorrow. There will be so many people bitching and complaining…

[solid ocean]

So you mean that people that know more about the game will do better? So we need to have trading? 😂😂😂

[wild jay]

Starter gear only mode> solo self found.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491199/starter-gear-only-lobbies

@solid ocean wym, they're just gonna build meta stats and kill everyone the same, but the difference will be no one will even have the chance to have good armor. You understand that "iron man" mode came from RS? Correct? It's more hardcore. There's more incentive for you to kill everyone because you're reducing competition. That's what some players CURRENTLY think. But now they just won't have access to trade so?

[pulsar pebble]

Im lowkey hoping they dont nerf rangers and they nerf bards again. Just so i can watch this channel have a ment@l breakdown in real time

[prisma marsh]

Moreover, lack of trading means that in order to get decent gear you're funneled into the EXACT same style of play. Rush bosses and HR Hell runs, kill everyone else in the lobby in case they got something good, and avoid other people from even having a chance of getting loot

[eternal surge]

do we know what the exact time is for server maintenance/wipe?

[warped raft]

how dare you think you can plan for such things !!!

[crisp marsh]

Nope…

[pulsar galleon]

totally

[solid ocean]

It's way way way way more friction to have to die and get looted in the game as well as the person having to also extract. People will see it happening in the lobby and be able to report. Logs/Server heuristics would easily be able to detect it. There would be way lower volume of it. Instead right now it's an absolute cancer on the game.

[simple echo]

I hope they cry harder as they farm the 15 unique item as they rub lotion on their nipples @solid ocean not understanding is ok but purposefully not understanding is annoying its the coffin rooms that most people dont know about its the spots for jewelry its the spots for skele champion spawn how to market blue items how to farm spawns alot of the shit im saying you have to be in the loop to know if not your wandering around like a bot for hours getting out no loot

[knotty canopy]

all of you are stinky poopoo heads hehehehe

[wild jay]

@solid ocean so essentially it will just reward the people who are still currently good, bbut now those people have an even larger incentive to let no one escape. for the record im still gonna try it out cause im like addicted to this game. Im open to being wrong! also i like the idea of a hardcore mode. but also Im a Hr enjoyer so

[pulsar pebble]

Itll probably be like 9pm cst again (thats the start of the SK office hours on their end). With a delay. Meaning if yoy have a job you should just plan to play on the 27th lol

[prisma marsh]

With trading, players can have multiple avenues to get enough money for gear. Even a shit-tier player can buy a few keys given enough time and dedication. Trade enables upward mobility for gear.

[eternal quiver]

Dude this is what I’d like to see for not as skilled solo players like myself. Base kit lobbies 🙏🏼

[crisp marsh]

Base kit cleric will stomp all of those…smite on base kit cleric is busted…

[hexed ermine]

or just limit the words availble (no .com / . c o m or any combination of https and com furthermore flag trades that exceed 500G without any items received

[pulsar pebble]

Just gotta kite the cleric when he pops it. I actually think mage or ranger would be the strongest starting gear class

[wild jay]

i dont even pay attention to gold chatters? like im busy filtering anyways what chance would i have to see it..

[formal moon]

So people are exploiting for gold\irl money are just going to stop because it's more difficult? You said yourself they're going to adapt with the change. By that logic alone you'll see that will hurt more organic players

[white sorrel]

+13 magic damage per hit for 7 seconds is definitely nice, except when they run away from you.

[simple echo]

Hot take- take the trader system out so no one gets anything until they work for it >:) the market is a good way to break the early game wipe so take it out or make the cap at lvl 20

[prisma marsh]

No trader system also makes it mean nothing when you get good gear for a different class...

[signal venture]

just go to GREED IS GOOD!

[wild nexus]

GiG playtest is over

[polar atlas]

what time does wipe happen?

[pulsar pebble]

Yes, go to the sh!tty mobile game looking clone

[limber verge]

that game is horrible

[crisp marsh]

That’s why you start with casting holy strike until they come into range, then activate smite

[simple echo]

To be fair its how it is now but the stats are just for not the class you want its the same thing

[solid ocean]

@simple echo People that know how to play the game and know where to loot stuff should have an advantage. It's called playing the game.

@formal moon Right now it's just an open market with possible ban if they detect it. Adding friction is how you disincentivize things. Adding friction makes it less profitable. Adding friction makes buying gear more expensive. Less people doing it the better it is for everyone. The more gear you find actually matters.

[pulsar kayak]

You're right I think but for the wrong reason. The roughest part of being new is getting to 15 within 3-5 hours then not being able to trade for a week.

There are so many contingents because of the maps and whether you play as a team or not. But if you can't extract in GC normal these days, literally not at all, then its a skill issue nothing else to be said. I had to die 10-20 time before I figured it out, and I was profiting with a 30% extraction rate and with everything I know now I have like a 90% extract in GC with portal changes. Crypts is difficult because the portal spawns are largely unchanged so you will need to PvP at the end unless you are lucky. I imagine they'll make some sort of change to crypts in the near future.

[white sorrel]

Yup, base cleric does 19.5 damage per holy strike before MDR. And most classes don't have high MDR.

[signal venture]

YEAH exactly like D&D @wild nexus

[formal moon]

You're not talking about friciton. You're talking about hurting everyone because of a smal group of players

[wild nexus]

what

[prisma marsh]

The shop can't possibly account for what random stats are meta. It would also make gold LITERALLY MEANINGLESS when there's only so much you can spend on shop and and crafting.

Trading system is an integral part of Dark and Darker. It adds a social element to the game, a gold sink for wealthy players, and a way for lucky players to go from zero to hero with a good find.

[simple echo]

I agree but how much is playing the game an how much is looking up cool double jump spots to sit all game/ what stats do i need to not be hotdogwater the yt vid the meta gaming is killing the game imo

[limber verge]

I recommend blocking this guy. He's very soft.

[knotty canopy]

trading is ass, just admit it

[formal moon]

The meta isn't killing the game. Bad class design and worse servers are.

[midnight moon]

I'm really happy to see someone with some logic in here. You're absolutely right. I keep seeing your responses and it's like that Leo DiCaprio meme where he's pointing. You're saying everything my SO and I have been thinking for months with this game.

[white sorrel]

I always hear people say "it adds a social element to the game" when the only trading I see is right clicking on someone selling something and putting the money up and clicking 2 buttons to confirm trade. About 1/20 trades do I even send a message to the other trader. I also see you said zero to hero with a good find, you can do the same with an action house where u don't have to wait for your item to sell and you come back to get the money later after actually playing the game and making more gold in another run.

[prisma marsh]

Trading is indeed ass. That's why we need an auction house.

[simple echo]

@limber verge is that why im blocked keep yelling you have soft hands to the world are you the fighter is too op rn guy!! 😂

[crisp marsh]

Bro you are all over the fucking place. How is an auction house going to “add a social element”. You would post a fucking item and go back into a game. Then get gold when someone buys it. No interaction with anyone. Period…that’s not a social element. This discord is a social element.

[prisma marsh]

It adds a way to disseminate information and give players an idea of the relative value of items. Even if you're not saying "Hi how are you how's the kids" the community element helps people get an understanding of the game just from looking at some numbers in a chat room.

And again, how in the fuck are we supposed to get players to spend 4000 gold otherwise.

[formal moon]

No one is saying this version of trading is adding a social element to the game. But having players interact is almost always a net positive.

[knotty canopy]

i dont want to sit there and "interact" i want to sell my shit and get back into the dungeon in the meantime

[simple echo]

Maybe just sell it to the vendors and keep it pushing

[midnight moon]

Players interact in the lobby, waiting for the match to start. That is where I get a lot of laughs and good times socializing. Or banter in the middle of the match, that's some good socializing. In a trade window? No ty.

[limber verge]

dont expect any of the complainers to be consistent with any of their nonsense

[prisma marsh]

Social element != having a conversation. You don't have to have a conversation with someone to have a social interaction. Is it super fulfilling? No. But it adds a way for players to communicate through prices.

[simple echo]

Is that why you haven't make a point about the pdr and why fighter is fine rn in the meta. Cause if not lets see how consistent you wanna be

[white sorrel]

@prisma marsh If you're talking relative value of items, in an auction house there should be sorting by certain criteria and you can see prices of similar items. So you can just "look at numbers" there as well. You can also spend 4000 gold in an action house.

@formal moon There's not much interaction in an action house, I suppose. But, if you want interaction go VOIP in the game or go into LFG and go find a group. You could always go into the discord for different classes and talk to others there. In game, your only real options are the gathering hall, inside the game in a raid, or trade right now. (And, I'd consider trade very limited.)

[prisma marsh]

I want an auction house too. I am pro-auction house. I am against removing inter-player trading.

[formal moon]

having items you vendor because you can't trade them feels bad. Commerce is interaction. Ya'll just haven't played long enough to know how everyone hated no trading and made the game and loot bad

[white sorrel]

Then, why can't we just have it all? Maybe there can be a chat for the action house where people advertise what they are selling?
@formal moon Maybe if vendoring items actually was worth at least half of what the vendors sell for, it would be worth it. I do agree that commerce is interaction. I don't believe I played Playtest 1 or 2. I believe I've only been here since playtest 3. If there was no trading I never saw it.

[knotty canopy]

no one is saying to remove the ability for players to sell to each other, the way we are forced to do it is what needs to change

[simple echo]

@limber verge Yo babygirl

[prisma marsh]

I agree. Auction house for the win. Other people are arguing that we shouldn't allow for players to transfer items among each other AT ALL

[formal moon]

if vendoring items becomes worth it. Then gold selling just becomes easier and gold sinks more in demand. @white sorrel trading didn't exist the first two playtets

[pulsar kayak]

what I want is a lobby like the tavern where 300 people can be put in there at a time and we all have to use voip to sell our items like its the New York Stock Exchange

[warped raft]

trading right now is ruining the economy, gold is worthless unless its in the form of a key so now you either have to farm those or spend a ridiculous amount of time grinding gold then trying to buy keys just to trade for something half-way decent, its a mundane process and needs some serious work or redone entirely, at this point anyone defending the way trade is now is complicit in its exploits and downfalls

[pulsar galleon]

I am the almight 8-orb. I can see beyond the veil into the patchie

[simple echo]

Im in favor for that until the gear gets reworked

[eternal quiver]

Let’s forget about trade for a minute. How about letting transfer gear between our characters 🤔

[thin sand]

What time is the wipe

[prisma marsh]

If you hate the market, you really don't need to use it to compete. You can get very good gear without ever opening trade chat.

[warped raft]

yes a player account vault would be really frikkin nice and some fucking floating damage number please, so i can see just how many times my hits never caused damage in the 1st place 😉

[white sorrel]

Ah, I see. I wasn't here for the first 2 playtests as I joined on the third.

[pulsar galleon]

outcome unclear. ask again later

[lilac skiff]

was the wipe today?

[formal moon]

That is a problem of game design, not trading. Trading enables it, but it's largely due to things like ruins have map specific loot where you can only get that item. SO the value blows up. As well as HC GC where gold sellers can get BiS items of all ranges and walk out with it with zero effort

[woeful bay]

I think no matter how you limit or enable trade, players will find some way to transfer items (even if that means super sketchy mid match transfers). And they'll do this because collating specific gear and exchanging things is just powerful. I don't think there's any reason to take away the trade support the game already has, but I think for many people the game would be more fun if the power gained from trading was less extreme.

So basically good stuff at merchants all the time, great drops from the dungeon itself. Gear modifier system that makes most items good instead of most items trash.

[prisma marsh]

Yes.

[pulsar kayak]

you know ultimately this trade argument boils down to gear being too powerful

[gentle zodiac]

anyone else notice an uptick in trolls and teamkillers in the days preceding a wipe?

[woeful bay]

bwahaha, the gear disparity agenda strikes again!

[warped raft]

it boils down to having to spend way too much time trying to buy something mediocre cause everything else of half-way decent worth is only selling for keys

[formal moon]

It really doesn't, because gear will always have a BiS stat no matter how toned down it gets. It an issue of poor implementation

[faint cosmos]

What time is wipe tomororow?

[white sorrel]

Sometime within 27 hours

[warped raft]

they def need to make classes stick to what they are meant to do, like for instance there needs to be a gain/sacrifice involved like if you build all tank then you should sacrifice much damage and vs versa, the way it is now some classes can build the best of every world and with the gear stats being so high this is super easy to do

[prisma marsh]

If the difference between BiS stats and non-BiS stats was reduced, the problem would be less pronounced.

As it is, +damage stats can be stacked far too freely, allowing +3 damage rings and necklaces to get added together letting you one-shot ungeared people with your fists. People weren't complaining a few wipes back when gear was weaker.

[cold talon]

Wasn’t a few wipes back the +3 all on every piece era?

[formal moon]

I'm fine with all the + being toned down. But that means you have to change EVERYTHING else. Or we just run back into the tank staking being unkillable because no one has good gear that can counter PDR

[pulsar kayak]

Yeah you wouldn't need to spend so much time in trade if the stuff you were finding were worthwhile. Idk! I don't suffer from this problem, my only gripe is the current array of secondary stats being completely stupid with 20+ junk stats that don't do anything for your power at all, 5 stats for attributes, 5 stats that are alright but aren't really that good and then 5 damage stats that take priority over everything else. The % chance of getting even 2 good stats on gear is stupidly low with the amount of combinations.

[warped raft]

like i said above if you build tank you deal hardly any damage and should focus on tanking/debuffing, no one should have the ability to build 90% pdr and still hit like a semi

[prisma marsh]

PDR is already countered by magic damage and armor piercing. Add access to magic damage or armor piercing that isn't reliant on having weapon damage to let you hit like a freight train on geared and ungeared players alike

[formal moon]

And you remove dmg stacking. That goes away....like it did last time. Now esp cause you have MR items

[woeful bay]

yes, certainly the case. +Armor and %damage resist could easily create problems, in fact I think pretty much all the stats not derived from the base Attributes (Str/Wil/Agi etc) are a bit problematic. Physical healing is low key a bit busted even.

And if you sort things out so that people can customize with armor but not overpower... You're also going to need a PvE pass to reduce monster health probably.

[spring jacinth]

will gold be wiped aswell tomorrow??

[cold talon]

Any game like this with multiple classes doing all different things and team comps and complexity will always be incredibly hard to balance especially with random gear rolls. I just hope the community is okay with the devs trying different things until they find something that works

[prisma marsh]

There are ways to combat tank meta that don't lead to everyone having rocket launchers in their hands because their shoes double their weapon damage. It's more fun to hit the same guy 50 times and he survives than to get one-shot before you can even react in my opinion.

[formal moon]

Just shows a lack of game knowledge TBH. Damage sponge games in pvp feel terrible universally. You're pretty much saying elementing PvP is as good as having PvP

[narrow scaffold]

Make meds stack again

[prisma marsh]

And besides, damage stacking means tank meta anyways. You look at high level play, it's all Fighters, Barbs, Clerics, maybe a Wizard or Bard to make the tanks stronger. Now the tanks just also one-shot everyone else. PDR stacking is the meta precisely because damage is so high.

[cyan basalt]

how to split items please

[pulsar kayak]

not true the top teams are barb, wizard, cleric and sometime subbing the wizard or cleric for bard. PDR stacking doesn't work in high roller because the barb will just 1 or 2 shot you anyways with a warmaul using reckless strike or the wizard will melt you. You won't block it, no one ever does.

[calm copper]

what time does wipe occur tomorrow??

[simple echo]

Lack of game knowledge how the games in alpha make it make sense if +weapon dmg is a problem it should get adjusted as such not to mention its annoying when archers stack it cause then its COD lol

[pulsar galleon]

I don’t want to buy gear I want to. Spend my gold on a nice plot of land and build a peasant shack

[warped raft]

this, tanks should be about debuffing the other team and trying to draw attention from the squishy damage dealers while they try to take out the other team, tanks right now can hit harder than classes that are actually meant for damage dealing

[woeful bay]

I'd like to see armor and magic resist locked pretty hard to coming from item base only. So the devs know exactly how much PDR and MDR a player can get by combining all the highest options, and devise what disadvantages go along with that.

The plate +armor -magic resist design is interesting. Heavier things slowing you down is interesting. But so long as these stats are available as enchantments you're going to see a ton of high PDR with no downside or weakness.

[cold talon]

It’s funny that the devs nerf bard because of their over representation in HR when I’m pretty sure cleric has like 99% pick rate. Maybe cleric a little too strong? Especially with a free rez

[prisma marsh]

Is that fun though? And would removing the ability for people to trade fix it? Neither of those answers are yes. The meta is damage stacking and the meta isn't fun, especially for players with less gear.

[wind prism]

Possible Suggestions:

1. scale back + weapon/magic damage a little more and increase magic/armor pen

2. Newbie lobbies that only allow starter gear and are capped at green drops maybe occasion blues off lions/min bosses and maybe a slight chance for a purple of horde/bosses

3. Put a bigger focus on balancing risk/reward on some the content I mean i see 90% player base cheese cockatrice/wrath/champs
   Prob controversial maybe a new pot that can only be looted. used in starter lobby that reveals players on mini map for 15-20 seconds(don't work vs invis/stealth)

4. Maybe add a reroll system you pay X gold to reroll one stat on any green items to allow people to min max greens little more you only get one effect so I don't feel a reroll on the green stat line will be overly powered.

I don't know if any of these are good ideas but, maybe one or a few can be used as a starting point to balance things. IM has done a decent job so far given the court battles and trying to keep players happy but, I feel sometimes they way over correct just to revert stuff I would rather see slow down scaling them the wild swing from over powered to under powered.

[flat mountain]

?

i don't get how people think that removing circle will make it EASIER to kill ungeared players. the reason they are steamrolled so often now is because circle is removing most of the map that they could have hid in, and forcing them into the same space as the geared guys for. saying it will be easier to kill ungeared makes literally no sense

[formal moon]

TBH almost every problem brought up in this channel is solved by a first floor with a larger player pool

[pulsar kayak]

Fun? Yeah, actually. I do agree with you though 100%. Thats why I mentioned the arguments earlier boil down to gear disparity, they are just dancing around it because they accept it is like it is and instead want to nerf trading to make it harder to become geared. They don't even need to nerf, they could just globally buff gear by getting rid of stupid crap like physical and magical interaction speed.

[warped raft]

cleric is 5 classes in one, buff/heal/mage/fighter/tank and has pretty much always been this way, its not a cleric its frikkin Paksenarrion!

[cold talon]

Yea cleric is just an insane class right now. It’s almost required to pick it. Has some of the strongest utility in the game. And can single handedly win a fight

[devout yacht]

you know the biggest weakness of the cleric? having to constantly heal/buff your team. You can't be a mage/fighter/tank if you're busy trying to dodge attacks and heal

[simple echo]

maybe make the fee 30 per trade more money would make it feel better at least for abusing the trade

[prisma marsh]

Cleric has always been the strongest class in the game. This is because having the ability to heal is inherently strong in a game where every health point counts.

[warped raft]

which is why i laugh when everyone wants to keep nerfing other classes into the ground like rogue all because they can hide yet you let the cleric/Terminator just roam free without any kind of sacrifice

[formal moon]

just have the cleric push and get inbetween the dmg. tank two has arrived with spells and the same PDR. While the other frontliner heals himself

[cold talon]

It’s like their tankiness can get insane. The Magical healing increase can literally offset 3 people hitting a fighter or a barb at the same time (just dealt with this in game) and they do pretty good damage with bonks. And on top of that most of the higher end clerics can just Rez both teammates instantly with all their gear on them if cleric is last one standing.

[formal moon]

All of the problems this game faces is just bad design of classes and bad aid solutions that have actually made the game worse

[warped raft]

lets not forget the spells that can hit you a mile away and damage you like they are coming from a wizard

[last zealot]

I have to agree that this game should be less about stats and gear and more about skill. Nerf gear in some effective way. Personally I think theres simply too many gear tiers. One of them could be cut with no problem.

[formal moon]

Another L take. The problem is class design how "supports" are actually just better versions of the other classes. cleric is a better fighter and bard is a better rogue AND they're the two big pieces of buff ball

[cold talon]

Let’s not also forget the physical damage shield and physical damage bonus they can give someone too. And that they can equip a big ass heater shield so if u garnet them they can just block and crouch until their team kills u

[warped raft]

ill never forget, most of the time if i see a cleric i just avoid the fight and it gets boring cause i see a lot of clerics

[pulsar kayak]

the trade fee would need to be a lot higher for it to impact anything, increasing the fee by 30 would just make items sell for a minimum of 100 instead of 50.

[formal moon]

Most of the things being proposed in this chat for the past hour have just been old implementations that were abused and reverted. Ya'll need to think about the average DaD player who isn't a brainlet. What makes that person play, because that person has left the game in droves

[cold talon]

I have a little bit of an issue with fighters versatililty too honestly. The fact they can just become a tanky ranger and half health u from across the room before hitting 1 button and sprinting at u with 330 ms then when u hit them once or twice then can just full heal

[warped raft]

sadly that road map is littered with many potholes and the hard core player demographic tries to shut this down any chance they get

[formal moon]

No they don't HC players don't try to shut that down at all. They shut down things that are factually bad. Like almost everything proposed in this channel. Just fix the servers. Make the classes specialized. Give us a first floor that can house 30 odd players

[last zealot]

The game isint near completion, huge changes must and will take place, I think gear will be reworked in a big way before completion wether you like it or not. Again, there is way too much emphesis on gear instead of skill in this game.

[fiery atlas]

Say it with me PVE MODE - Tired of trying to play with Fam and getting rolled by a full team decked with Purple and Legendary's is getting old

[vapid oyster]

pve mode lmao

[gentle zodiac]

weak

[warped raft]

no they most certainly do not want any catering to the casuals and if you have been watching this chat like you say, you would be seeing this each and every time

[tropic anchor]

guys when is it wiping?

[rustic pecan]

100% needed. pve is healthly for new players. all of you saying otherwise are icels.

[cold talon]

Pve mode would straight up break the gold market. Never have to worry about losing my troll pelt when i can just free pve and make hundreds of gold per run with no risk

[formal moon]

No one is saying gear can't be reworked. But cutting out a rarity tier is just an L take. They need to make greens and epic's actually different rolls. Everyone adovacting for a PvE only mode literally just need to play a diffrent game. GC is literally that already or as close as the game needs

[prisma cape]

people asking for pve mode still get rolled when they have to fight people in equal gear

[fiery atlas]

Yes but then take it into PVE and get Rolled by someone else with same gear and lose it all instantly

[warped raft]

i can agree that pve only does not fit in this genre, not saying it could not make for a fun game but, it just does not fit in here

[rustic pecan]

idiotic of you to assume PvE mode would be your own private match with 0 changes... ofc they would change it so you generate nothing after extraction. PvE mode is needed so new players can learn the map. pve. inferno map and pve as well. PVE MODE AND LESS CHEESING SPOTS.

[last zealot]

Not sure what youre on about, but you dont seem to disagree that right now gear is more important than being actually good at the game as a team and as an individual player which is "L" as you put it.

[cold talon]

Nope just make low roller lobbies. Base kits only. Green is rare. Blue is very rare from lions head maybe. Timmies need to learn pvp too or they are in for a very rude awakening when they leave those lobbies

[formal moon]

Universally the PvE only mode players can be wholesale ignored. Imagine coming into a game that is advertised as a Hardcore PvPvE game and saying to remove PvP. Might as well go to a hotdog vendor and as where he gets his trout. @last zealot "the need to take out a rairty tier" is what i'm talking about.....lol don't even know what you suggested earlier

[white sorrel]

I'd be fine with a base gear only lobby as long as you can't find a lot of good stuff and it has a lot of utility you can find like campfires, potions, and oil lanterns/explosive bottles.

[warped raft]

gear stats has been the bane of many games to the point they have fundamentally changed some games in favor of it and stuck with it even after losing a mass amount of players over it ...insane

[rustic pecan]

yes separate the player base more! idiotic takes back to back.

[cold talon]

Weren’t u the one that just suggested a pve lobby what does that do if not separate the player base lol

[formal moon]

Instead of a PvE mode, i would rather see a PvP arena. Where you can go in tournament style and just fight. However you literally gain nothing but a leaderboard spot and lose nothing.

[warm ravine]

Ty HolyTemptress for the Golden Key 😄 ❤️

[warped raft]

the player base could have handled this a bit ago (not talking about a pve mode either) but after the last few decisions they have made pertaining to gear scores or sep lobbies have led to a mass exodus of players from the game, the average has nearly been cut in half over the last few weeks, and it follows a pattern that aligns with the choices they have or have not made

[jovial ledge]

maybe they should go hunt showdown type of items, with prefix suffix, Long blade of rending, give the blade more reach and bleed, or swift hammer of staggering, fast hammer that drains stanima, then have everything white

[rustic pecan]

a private match for day 1 players to learn PvE is less separation than some idiotic other lobby. a private match will only hold 3 players. your low roller lobby will hold 10+ USE YOUR HEAD you think u have pve under control bc you know cheese spots. pathetic.

[formal moon]

A 1 day PvE lobby would do literally nothing for a new player. Especially because an entire new element of the game would be thrown at them they're not prepared for

[cold talon]

Pve is incredibly simple in this game. Cheese or no cheese. The Timmy can learn the map and pve at the same time as pvp. With low roller though a Timmy doesn’t get destroyed by BIS mid range players get normals where they can do whatever they want. And sweats get a rewarding HR. Everyone is happy

[rustic pecan]

sure let my new players fear pve AND pvp at the same time. they need to know the map and know how to deal with their surroundings before dealing with me. they are scared of bow skeleton, im scared of buff ball. use your head

[formal moon]

Yes.....because they're going to be afraid of the wrong things. You can literally learn the map already for free AND have a chance to get loot......funny that you would say for someone else to use their head when you don't seem to have one at all

[rustic pecan]

do u even remember being a new player? when u see PvE killing ppl within the first minute i dont think that person got to learn much. but if they had an option to just kill the pve for a runs and go back to a normal lobby.

[signal nymph]

They give you a base kit for a reason.. no need for a pve mode.. just keep going in even without pots until you understand where to go

[formal moon]

If they died to PvE already...how is just making another lobby filled with PvE going to change anything? You're really not thinking this through mate.

[cold talon]

Ur talking about a tutorial not a different lobby

[last zealot]

Never even said anything about "pve" im talking about the fact that right now you HAVE to sit in trade between matches to be competitive which is nothing but boring and time consuming.
If you think this game should be about numbers Im almost inclined to say youve got bad skills and are affraid to meet people on more equal terms.

[vapid oyster]

I almost never buy gear, you're bad lol

[formal moon]

You don't even know what you're saying. I literally quoted you and you brought up PvE, which is not what i was quoting you about. go to bed mate

[prisma cape]

gen chat proves this game has one of the dumbest player bases

[noble trellis]

equal terms? this aint a fighting game bruh rethink lmaoooo

[fading pasture]

nerf ranger LOL

[rustic pecan]

indeed. tutorial mode for the chad new players. im sure they cant even imagine inferno. but a simple tutorial mode to beat thru with ur fellow new bros would be great. theres 0 tutorial and you have to look up cheese spots. shameless gameplay cheesing PvE is. the day theres no cheesing is the day everyone shits the bed

[cold talon]

Yea an equal fight does not exist in this game under any circumstances. Positioning timing zone class gear. Ur always going to have either advantage or disadvantage

[fiery atlas]

To help - No I agree we need a straight up PVE mode - no PVP - Enjoy game, enemies, have not been able to dive into bosses as everytime I start to build I get rolled by a team fully decked out. they have all the pieces there so I don't see a downside for making a PVE mode for those who WANT IT. Only downside I see is the geared gucks who have fun trolling noobs. -- "they'll make gold trivial" no cause as soon as you get good gear - you die once and LOSE EVERYTHING. lol -- To help balance make legendaries only drop in the PVPVE mode

[formal moon]

Or you could literally just back pedal and kill everything without cheesing anything. Only special mobs require any kind of cheesing (champion\wraith). The tutorial is having greys and getting good in the current game. The thing you're suggesting is just a bad idea that literally doesn't need to exist

[signal nymph]

This game is about killing each other.. not the mobs... lol

[random mist]

What time wipe?

[cold talon]

U do know no cheesing makes it harder for the Timmy right? Instead of telling them to jump on something high and the wraith can’t hit them or crouching on stairs ur gonna make them memorize attack patterns and spacing on every enemy? A pve tutorial makes no sense because it’s about 5% of the complexity of the game

[rustic pecan]

this guy def doesnt go into inferno... inferno mobs are all killed via cheese.

[formal moon]

You can literally kill every red\black skele by back pedaling or body bumping. At most you have to side step the spear and axe skele. Go to bed mate. Oh i forgot the revolutionary circle the bat \ dogs. or crouch circle the centuar. Wild revolutionaly game play

[prisma cape]

exactly wtf is he talking about, " inferno mobs are all killed via cheese", bro your dogshi

[last zealot]

@formal moon Never did I mention PVE. Show me a qoute then. Lol eat your ADD meds bro.
@noble trellis LMAO this game isint a trade simulator either.

[prisma marsh]

Tips for landing the lockpick minigame?

[silent oxide]

I mean i know the attack pattern of the centaur and beserker, but i still cheese them its just way lower risk

[formal moon]

Mate you can't read. I literally said i did not quote you about PVE. Public schooling failed you. I literally quoted you and you still can't figure out what i'm talking about, it even highlighted what you said my man

[rustic pecan]

you know youre not doing that though. you just ledge glitch the centuar/demon swordsman. demon bat/ dog are free yes. u still climb on certain ledges for said red/nightmade skeles so u dont have to move side to side. cheesing makes it all easier. dont act like ur not cheesing everything

[cold talon]

I’m actually convinced your the one i see dying to a goblin archer in the first 5 seconds of a GC run. Bro nobody cares about cheesing mobs

[last zealot]

Brow, stop mentioning PVE when qouting me then, simple. Got nothing to do with what I said.

[prisma cape]

i understand berserkers(sometimes), but its so much faster to normally kill everything else, i cant play with teams that need to cheese every mob, you move through hell 2 miles an hour, but fr if u need to cheese everything go watch a youtube video lol

[formal moon]

Of course cheesing makes it easier. No one said it didn't, but you literally do not have to even cheese 90% of the mobs. @last zealot now you're just trolling go to bed

[prisma marsh]

The player on the top of the leaderboard for veteran adventurer cheeses centaur and berserker 90% of the time

[rustic pecan]

and if u dont see the problem with everyone cheesing PvE bc its safer, then you dont look at all aspects of this game.

[midnight parrot]

to be fair the mobs are OP in Pve

[rustic heath]

Is wipe at 4UTC? midnight EST?

[cold talon]

Who cares if cheesing is safer it’s not the hill to die on in terms of changing this game. They have 1000s more things they should be doing before they should touch cheesing (maybe 1% of what people do in game)

[formal moon]

of course....it's more effective. No one is saying cheesing isn't the meta. But you literally do not even need it 90% of the time. You're talking about a mob that has 3 spawns in hell acting like every mob has to be cheesed or you die

[rustic pecan]

100%. cheesing is a problem swept under the rug right now. none of you want to face this game without cheese.

[prisma marsh]

I don't think that's a problem though. Allowing players to make PvE easier through map knowledge is a good and healthy thing, especially with how deadly the monsters are in this game.

Cheesing also tends to make you more vulnerable to other players as well since you're usually standing still.

[cold talon]

I’ve seen heated discussions on here about weapon damage and class balancing and map changes and different lobbies and gearing changes and all kind of interesting conversations. My boys is screaming at the top of his lungs about cheesing a centaur lol

[subtle heart]

QQ all, Do both howling crypts maps have a golden key room or just the one?

[formal moon]

Cheesing is such a small problem it's a waste of breath. If mobs were uncheesable that would be great. However, the game has much bigger issues that need to be looked at. @cold talon facts

[last zealot]

Ikr

[prisma marsh]

Allowing players to cheese mobs is good, it adds an element of knowledge to PvE and rewards players for learning how to traverse the map effectively. Fighting monsters directly has its advantages over cheesing as it's more flexible, so it's not like the skill of dodging AI is at all made irrelevant by the existence of cheesing.

[rustic pecan]

cheesing creates said issues, gear in inferno is insanely easy bc i can cheese it. Golden Keys are easy to farm bc well champions are easy to farm. look at the bigger picture? loot would be harder to grab.. why? bc the giant demon swordsman blocking the lions head is a actual sub boss. not a standing still HP bar

[prisma cape]

"you can sit on you ledge buddy, imma kill that centuar everytime with zweihander, not because it is easy, but because it makes me look cool when i do the spinny thing"-quote from Martin Obama King Luther Jr

[last zealot]

If item/gear stats were reworked gold would be less of an issue, I think youre starting in the wrong end with that argument.

[formal moon]

TBH mobs are made irrelevant one you have enough gear to two shot them. @rustic pecan the issue is that you can go into GC HR and break vases and fight izi mobs and walk out with 800g in sellables if not BiS loot. The need to funnel people into HR for that kind of thing and make craftable gear more attainable\farmable

[subtle heart]

Anyone know if howling crypts has a golden key treasure hoard room on only one version of the map?

[cold talon]

I’m just gonna block them with my hydra if anything. Even if they remove all cheese spots in the game

[prisma marsh]

PvE is in a fine place, if anything it takes too much time, especially in High Roller Goblin Caves where solo players have to spend so much time grinding PvE to escape the extra fast circle

[chilly crag]

Stare under the cancel button

[rustic pecan]

thats completly fine, makes warlock even more viable. the real PvE class. u have to now sacrafice ur insane buffing wiz for a simple PvE warlock.

[prisma cape]

no they got rid of it you sell golden key to collector to get more stash space

[formal moon]

[subtle heart]

yeah thats a troll

[void merlin]

Why it’s legit easy to kill everything legitimately

[prisma marsh]

Good tip. Is it wise to bring extras? In case I screw it up?

[lapis veldt]

Is the sky blue

[cold talon]

Idk cheese being a priority just doesn’t fit right now. I think the game has much bigger issues that i would prefer the devs focus on

[prisma cape]

play rogue with lockpick skill and practice

[rustic pecan]

cheesing needs to not be swept under the rug is what im preaching. the gear problems still do come from the ease and access cheesing allows to gear/keys.

[formal moon]

Cheesing is such an irrelevant issue, we simply need a bigger map as the first floor so more juiced players end up fighting each other inadditon to having wolves \ gold mines \ big spiders for more crafting

[cold talon]

I get it makes the game easier to cheese but doesn’t it also make it easier for Timmy to get the good gear too? He doesn’t need to learn how to do the centaur legit. Get on a bridge and cheese it, free loot for Timmy.

[chilly crag]

It’s just experience honestly, I have so many hours that I don’t miss anymore. But you can still get unlucky and get it right at the beginning

[void merlin]

No like I’m saying why cheese It’s easy to kill things the correct way

[rustic pecan]

thats not really rewarding. wheres your dopamine in that. i want new players after all. i dont think pve being cheesed is a solid standing point. makes our game look imcomplete.

[cold talon]

The dopamine has never EVER come from killing a pve mob it always comes from what they drop. They can all start dead and i just loot them for all i care

[formal moon]

Trust, people aren't quiting in droves because the PvE is cheesable. Pretty sure it's bad class design and the dev's not doing anything to change the meta, forcing the same 3 class to be in every match and dominate anything that isn't a mirror to that

[midnight parrot]

I mean I agree with your point cheesing isnt good for the game, but we got other priorities right now

[rustic pecan]

pro play will always be pro play. but you know whats makes buff ball strong, that barbarian farming wraiths and skele champions WITH EASE for bis roll blues. raw buff ball is not strong.

[formal moon]

If you think that's what's making barb strong you're clueless to the real issues. It's rolling everyone and picking the best most sellable items from them. With just decent gear and a good comp. You can just face tank any wraith\champion

[cold talon]

Wraith and skele champ are extremely ez to kill without cheese.

[rustic pecan]

say it all you want, youre not killing them without cheese. you NEVER will. you dont want that RISK. theres ZERO risk

[cold talon]

I do it all the time. But also if i don’t have to risk i won’t. Because there is almost never reward. I’ve killed so many and i rarely actually loot them

[formal moon]

Mate, with just good greens you can all just bonk any wraith \ champion and you're done. I'm just convinced at this point you were an eternal >15 remaking lvl 1 toons

Anyway, I hope they add talents Game needs more than just sliding a number up or down to be good

[rustic pecan]

easier said than done hahaha, you can all just hit it! just heal urself up after duh! skilled player only thinks in skilled player mindset. im thinking of the new players that i want for this game.

[cold talon]

U know what’s easier for a new player to understand? Stand on top of a health shine u can hit this champ for free. You know what’s harder for a new player? Memorizing their attack patterns and spacing and probably dying

[rustic pecan]

if thats what you think will help this game grow... ok.

[formal moon]

You're thinking of an issue that doesn't exist

[cold talon]

What will help this game grow is fixing the PvP situation a Timmy is not turning off the game cause he spectates someone sitting on top of a ledge hitting a champ they are leaving after getting 1 tapped by a buff ball

[formal moon]

If anything all timmies probably started to get loot watching someone cheese

[rustic pecan]

LMFAO! so... be me new player. i just got buff balled... unlucky. i was already low from PvE. i spectate a rogue cheesing a champion.. you know what i think? "shit game, buggy and full of exploits" BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY THINK

[cold talon]

I’m actually convinced you’re just trolling now we have had the same circular conversation for too damn long. I’m going to bed u should too

[frozen wren]

New player here started 2 weeks ago got all claases 20 spent my first 90 hours getting one shot by everyone didnt discern me from the game at all if you arent willing to play meta then you bettert be cracked at your individual class thats just how every game works stop speaking for new players like they are special needs is just annoying get good

[formal moon]

[dusty thorn]

REAL

[rustic pecan]

stay blind to the issue of low risk highr reward PvE. if u really spent 90 hours u got no life just like me. thats what it costs to learn this game? ur average guy isnt gna suffer all of that. our game will just stay like this, a game for no life addicts.

[formal moon]

What you're actually talking about is GC/HRGC. It does way more dmg to the economy than standing somewhere and killing a champion

[frozen wren]

Well to be honest im in a position where yes i can play nearly as much as i want? but in a world where youtube and numerous sources of information exist im sure the average joe could pick up on the pvp in this game within 1 month which i think is a normal rate to learn? if you cant survive a month of a game being bad i got news for ya

[lunar sand]

Praise Brother!

[high sapphire]

yall know when the wipe happening?

[formal moon]

Any way add a first floor that has 30 slots, fix the servers, and let's get a taste for talents. Gg I'm out

[rustic pecan]

i can survive it. i just know average noobs dont suffer it. our game will just stay the same, tryhards only. all g tho.

[deft falcon]

please dont leave redacted please!!!!!

[frozen wren]

i do have a max in nearly every mmo under the sun so my take definitely isnt from the average grinder but dark has that Dark souls vibe where the skill check should be part of the game sadly 😢

[quiet forum]

in about 45 mins

[frozen wren]

That being said crossbows on fighter r busted nerf ❤️ hahahahahha
@rustic pecan i back that but the no cheesing is a little unfair for some solo classes 😛

[rustic pecan]

new attack patterns to learn and no cheesing would break everyones ankles. we would UNITE against the new profound PvE. look at the bigger picture man!

[outer forum]

fighter isnt even broken he has so many counters CLERIC IS THE MOST BROKEN CHARACTER IN THIS GAME

[thorny basalt]

when wipe？

[fiery atlas]

Facts - You want to cheese go for it. Some enemies need it (looking at you Skeleton with horns and giant sword n shield) -- getting rolled & 1shot at full health has you thinking "Is this game for me..."

[frozen wren]

cleric being the first class i twentied i do not disagree with your take bahahahahha

[uncut tusk]

game feels quite dead atm

[white sorrel]

Most people will just tell you to run away, but then u got Earthquake and Holy Strike to worry about. I do think Crossbows are similar to falchions before they got nerfed. Crossbows should get more armor pen and less damage.

[simple echo]

can we make a better solo dungeon i feel like it would fix alot of issues and maybe make last day of wipe random stats or something to keep people on Ive ran into the same warlock 2twice back to back in ruins

[midnight parrot]

3s map is too small for fights

[white sorrel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504061/end-of-wipe-events

[simple echo]

Upvote this please god make it less stale by any means ^^^^^^^^^

[urban quarry]

Does the end of this wipe show the devs how unbalanced the gear is in this game? I really hope that is the focus on the patch, if not then we have gotten nowhere. The game is at an unplayable state right now, you either run full bis or die by it.

[shadow raft]

If they dont actually balance the game within the next two months they wont be outshining the competition. Thats not doomer speak that just fact. GiG already have better PvP that isnt anywhere near as statchecky. It just doesnt have the PvE polish D&D has. IM has to step it up and fix these issues immediately.

[distant timber]

so whens wipe?

[shadow pecan]

Someone said that its apparently 11am est but i dont know how true that is

[urban quarry]

what game is GiG?

[shadow raft]

Greed Is Good, its basically a copy and paste of dark and darker, but the TTK is MUCH longer. Its on steam and one of the playtests ended this morning i believe. Its also in EA

[dusky gyro]

lol the combat in that game is dog chit

[swift wadi]

Been rubberbanding really hard lately, anyone else experiencing this?

[simple echo]

after saving all wipe for a full ruby cleric its kinda nutty over here mate you really have to play poor to lose (or get teamed on)

[dense ledge]

1000% unplayable gear gap

[simple echo]

But for me when i notice someone teaming i tend to play more passive an force noobies off portals

[silk mango]

^^^^^

[shadow raft]

The PvP is better in there than it is here. You cant one tap people. Its more skill based, so i can see where so many of the hardcore fans of this game hate it. You cant play like a coward and then proceed to one tap the world. You have to play it smart and dodge actively while doing ACTUAL combo's with attacks. The people who keep talking smack about it seems to only be seal clubbers who opinion isnt respectable. Though i must say melee is slightly clunkier in there. But its also more important to aim your swings, unlike Dark and Darker you dont get a bigger hitbox, you wont land a hit that doesnt actually connect with the model. The arrows move a little slower to enable dodging, and spell casting is more streamlined and combo oriented rather than single spell cast, plus you arent stuck in one spot while you have a spell going off

[fervent nacelle]

Agreed

[simple echo]

What i did was save up little by little and essentially saved up for my iron man suit but ik better players can achieve it in sooner time to roll lobbies because of numbers and the meta spots

[dusky gyro]

the threat of pve doesnt exist, pvp is dominated by melee.. nothing about it is balenced lmao.. the ONLY benifits it has is an auction house style trade system

[dense ledge]

Honestly id rather you wipe the game now and let us not play for 48hrs

[shadow raft]

Both games are essentially the same, yet they play in DRASTICALLY different fashions. Dark and Darker you have to play it a lot slower, especially when unkitted. In GiG its more nuts to butts run around fight and loot. They are very different games. And yes I do agree the PvE in GiG is super unpolished and crappy, but it is ALSO in EA. They are competitors, but GiG is on steam. D&D better step its game up cause if GiG can polish itself better it is what it is.

[shadow raft]

Gotta disagree with the melee thing, i actually mained the support mage and i was the main person to fear in every team i was in. I immediately loved the spell combos that were possible and the strategies i could pull off. Even if i got rushed by a melee, id tank one hit and be okay, id reposition and I could outplay my opponent. And even when I lost I still felt like i put up a fight and was happy regardless. That feeling is EXACTLY what is needed in D&D. We play games for fun, if its not fun we got issues.

[umbral moth]

Joined Oct 6

Something tells me someone is just a shill for a literal copy and paste bootleg

[shadow raft]

Itd be really nice for wizard to get some QoL, more spells, give us some cool spell combo's we didnt know what we were missing.

[dusky gyro]

wizard is powerful enough, and we are getting a few utility spells soon such as ranged magical door lock

[umbral moth]

Again, this person joined the discord Oct 6th, half of what they say is shilling for a bootleg of a damn indie game, and obviously said person never reads announcements or the q&a

Its not worth talking to them

[dusky gyro]

fair point

[wide zenith]

have they said anything about time of wipe?

[white sorrel]

See the thing is, I've never been 1 tapped in this game ever. But, I never play rogue so I guess it makes sense.
Also, bump https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504061/end-of-wipe-events
2 tapped I have been.

[prisma marsh]

yes when

[earnest current]

say 26 but always 27 and hope no Bug log-in

[shadow raft]

What class do you play then?

[white sorrel]

Literally every other class than rogue. I've never even been one tapped as a Ranger by a barbarian. Though I suppose they're just bad at hitting me in the head. I'm mostly playing Cleric right now though, got bored of most of the other classes and poor bard got hit with too many nerf darts. Not playing bard until they get more skills.

[vivid pendant]

GiG has yet to break 5k players LOL

[silk mango]

time to find a new game. its broken. every single lobby has at least 2 people in solos with full purple sets that 1 shot you

[chilly crag]

anybody know what time its wiping?

[vapid arch]

when it wipes

[unborn vigil]

Wipe is today, people are using their good stuff:)

[white matrix]

2 man version of Crypts would be sick

[pseudo slate]

anyone got tips for doing troll?

[tepid hazel]

What is gig

[shadow raft]

Greed is Good

[copper grotto]

Better wipe soon. I'm getting really sick of EVERY raid getting one tapped by people invisible in a corner with all purple gear in normals. Can't even learn the game.

[torpid radish]

broke ass game

[fickle cape]

can't wait for patch in 15m to fix it

[tall cobalt]

hey what door does the gold key open

[bronze yarrow]

self found mode getting added this patch?

[tough pollen]

it is literally the last ~12 hours of wipe. no shit people are running their best gear rn

[rustic pecan]

bear traps are the most shameless item in this game

[dense hound]

please fix rolls for items required only by those classes plz and thank you

[quiet condor]

All games with "tarkov like" loot system unplayable for newbie few days before the wipe

[broken hound]

Honestly the amount this dev team has done to please and yet scold us players is a god send. First Dev team to actually care about there game in a long time. I honestly feel like every other game is so bland and just a money bag compared to dnd I LOVE THIS GAME

[knotty canopy]

glazin

[wild jay]

I keep seeing this but all that ever happens to me is Barb, fighter, wizard. Just lost like 5 kits to a 3 stack of these kinds

[olive crest]

Hopefully we see a reduction in the amount of random stats and weapon dmg.

[brisk mason]

anyone know how to fix my fps lag and crap on this game? I have a 4060 ti, the game is using my graphics card. all low setting yet i still have terrible fps half the time and stuttering. there is also rubber banding but that is a server side issue.

Similar issue happens to my entire 3 stack and they all have great pcs

[dense ledge]

woah guys my 16th lobby doesnt have anyone over blue!

[lament moat]

bc the game is wiping tomorrow xd so everyones running best in slot stuff , and if u learn rogue u csn pick them off 1by1 like i do n get juiced

[static snow]

where can you use the golden key in HR crypts?

[elfin stag]

rusted key?

[jagged dew]

look at the wiki map and search by golden room

[warped raft]

game has no optimization yet so it dont matter what you use, i get 120fps in cyberpunk with all the bells and whistles on and here my fps is all over the place lol

[inner sundial]

What is this patch gona bring ?

[ionic carbon]

hi

[brisk mason]

yeah they need to fix it, becomes so hard to play aim related classes when i move my mouse my game stutters or fps all over the place

[warped raft]

sadly tho they prioritize content over functionality, kind of hard to enjoy content with fps stutters and server lag etc etc

[wild jay]

My game is great fr

[sacred basin]

tomorrow ? i thought it was today

[brisk mason]

They arent even adding content rlly(im ok with that) but they arent making the game stable, balancing the game and have barely any content. Kinda makes me wonder what they are working on

[warped raft]

no stutters or server lag huh ...im sry but i just dont believe it

[frigid depot]

does anybody know how to use life drain on warlock? i just started playing and i cant seem to get it

[midnight parrot]

just stand still after casting. it is a channel

[wild jay]

I mean idk man, lag is a natural phenomena in any game. Your IP at any time can throttle you for any reason (because you could be hogging all the bandwidth in your area) - that's what the whole net neutrality thing was about.

[scenic mirage]

hey guys i was going to get this game today but just wanted to know if the oceania servers were active and have many humans or not

[warped raft]

making sure we have op classes and one hit builds 😉

[brisk mason]

why nerf wizard or cleric when we can nerf bard 🙂

[dense crystal]

any news on when the wipe is coming?

[warped raft]

yes my ip only throttles me when i play dark and darker lol all i know is i get 120fps solid on one of the most hungry games out there and this game its all over the place and the server lag happens at the same time for my buds and i when we play together, its intermittent, then i have to constantly lower and apply my graphics then put them back to full to get rid of the wierd fire LODs and my hair looking like its alive

[frigid depot]

alrighty ty :)

[cobalt wharf]

anyone have an idea when the wipe is happening today?

[split lynx]

I hope we are wiping warlocks out of the game tomorrow entirely. I am so fucking sick of being one-tapped by a caster class as fighter in full plate. Its disgustingly stupid.

[rocky ore]

if anyone has a rare ign for trade dm me

[cobalt wharf]

I don't think that needs to happen. What shouldn't happen is the barbarian I ran into the other day. He had like 65% PDR and 60% MDR. That's wild when paired with his health boost. Tanked a kitted wizard and ranger shooting at him

[tight oasis]

put em in front of a warlock

[cobalt wharf]

or the rogue w/ 26 extra weapon damage on his kit. Homie was running around with a short sword slaughtering everyone lol

[vivid trail]

Did they have the Defensive shrine active ?

[wanton otter]

+weapon dmg should be limited to weapons/jewelry

[warped raft]

then everyone will start wanting 10keys for a piece of jewelry lol

[safe heron]

nah i dont think the cost of jewelry will go up all that much, I think thats an amazing way to limit +weapon dmg.

to prevent overly expensive jewelry, they could just remove rolls like interaction/action speed from jewelry/weapons so that its more impactful when you find one yourself rather than buying a crazy expensive one off TP. +weapon dmg is way, way too strong to be available on every piece.

[wicked arch]

they would absolutely go up that much they become a must have instead of a bonus

[safe heron]

...its already a must have if you want a strong physical (some magical can benefit) build.

[bleak lodge]

can we take crossbows away from every class , not every class should have access to them

[warped raft]

yes and i see people asking keys all the time for weapon damage stuff, imagine when its limited to just jewelry which pretty much already the most $$ gear to buy

[subtle heart]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[bleak lodge]

it hurts my feelings when i get shot by it though

[dusky stratus]

what time is wipe?

[knotty canopy]

wipe deez

[safe heron]

im just saying the +30 extra damage people are getting on weapon swings has to be reduced. it already costs a lot to buy a +weapon dmg set but its like the S tier stat that nothing comes close to.

[sudden aspen]

Idk, armor rating is pretty up there too

[simple stone]

I dont know about you my friend but in the limited time I played this game I havent run into people like this almost ever

[safe heron]

crazy, theres 1-2 in every other lobby for me. +2-3 extra weapon damage on every slot is fairly common for geared players.

[spare stag]

Same on every games... We should not play the same game...

[simple stone]

Maybe its cause I play mostly goblin caves or IDK...

[potent marlin]

ended abnormally ? whats going on

[safe heron]

could be reset and also @simple stone i also play almost exclusively goblin caves. if you get 2-3 tapped from a player, spectate and check their gear. they'll be decked in +2-4 weapon damage gear.

[simple stone]

Thats crazy cuz I feel like everyone does that, and I do that to them aswell lol. (Only expection is ranger I cant shoot 15 arrows into you and you will still run me down)

[safe heron]

yeah we're not playing the same game lol. Ranger propaganda.

[spare stag]

you don't have to check their stuff, just check the kill feed, its so sad lol 😄

[thick owl]

not even that is necessary, just look who has a cape in the goblin caves

[safe heron]

yeah when you check kill feed and every 10 seconds the same player is getting a kill.

[simple stone]

I gave up on ranger lmao. Wizard cleric main as of now. Wizard can go naked and still kill fully geared peeps so I like it for that 🙂

[plucky flicker]

when is wipe

[safe heron]

wizard is very solid for ungeared play for sure.

[wraith quartz]

if you see ACCURATESTWONG and unseenazn report they can see peeps through walls and invis

[tame violet]

WIPE TIME

[ebon vortex]

is it?

[scarlet bronze]

what, you can see accuratestwong pov, he is a streamer called grimmz. and you can see they didnt use hacks

[cold spire]

dumb dumb alert

[wraith quartz]

we was in game with em watching them track

[safe heron]

not saying hes cheating but you can cheat and only capture the game window.

[scarlet bronze]

i mean, we can see grimmmz pov, even if we could not see the esp he isnt using it. he has died multiple times to rogues invis in fact. don't know if the other player streams

[rocky ore]

if anyone has a rare ign for trade dm me

[mint dragon]

did it wipe yet

[sudden aspen]

No, not even close to wipe yet

Probably in another 12 hours or more

[remote yarrow]

Isnt every ign rare cause they are unique?

[stoic meteor]

Why is west coast gathering hall always so empty

[wraith quartz]

if you think streamers cant cheat like saying esports pros never found out cheating

[remote yarrow]

Isnt it Like 2am on US west Coast?

[mint dragon]

oh okay sick

[stoic meteor]

It'll have the same problem in 12 hours though, and consistently, are you guys forming teams through reddit or something?

[safe heron]

@scarlet bronze idk man, im watching him play, hes got clips turned off and im not wearing headphones but ive seen a couple sus callouts plus the fact that hes got 1900 viewers with 10 chatters, 255k subs on youtube but his videos get less than 500 views a piece. all of it is mad weird to me.

[cold spire]

stop just stop

[valid lily]

what is the countdown timer in the Merchant's menu?

[safe heron]

seems sus to me tbh

[zinc kestrel]

When is the wipe?

[gleaming nebula]

about 15 minutes

[uneven cedar]

It usually around this time we get an update im usually heading to bed whenever they post and also the big man is "online" and not "away" so maybe soon

[hasty sorrel]

Anyone else feel like this game has lost its way already? The fights now all have devolved into spamming out other teams at doors until you get a pick or til someone is dumb enough to walk in and die.. it's so boring. Ruins is better than crypts by far. Solos is even more fun

[worldly kite]

Agreed ! If this update won’t be good , the game will die I guess. Already 30k players less than 2-3 months ago. They must start gives us the patch note way before the update not 1 hours before.

[simple stone]

I really like the game, maybe what you are saying is corret but its a great alternative when I dont feel like stressing on tarkov.

[fringe condor]

the wipe is coming out today right?

[tawny hornet]

Ahh so hasnt happened yet then?

[worldly kite]

I love this game too ! It s a banger but like a lot of games, the futur is in devs hands and you can not do nothing about that. Just hope ..

[cedar dagger]

what time is it wiping?

[wise trellis]

I could be wrong but I feel like updates happen at 6 pm EST

[scenic plume]

i really hope warlocks get nerfed to kingdom come

[cedar dagger]

agreed cap

[slim vector]

i havent had much problem with warlocks, its honestly mages or rangers that have been shreking me, but if they nerf the additional damage then those will be fine

[scenic plume]

nah warlock is the most trash unbalanced class nerf BOC like weakpoint stop the mega stacking

[north perch]

Nerf barb, ranger cleric

[modest aurora]

I have to admit warlock with kit is kinda just unfair to most classes with low WILL. One single corruption and you have to back up heal and re position assuming hes not up your ass with a buff ball xD or you die to the first corruption

[rocky ore]

If you have a rare ign you'd trade dm me pls

[modest aurora]

No

[fickle cape]

pay attention to #📢announcements

[visual dragon]

cleric is fine where he is

[mortal talon]

Most of the streamers cheat. It wouldn’t be fun if they didn’t win all the time.

[worldly kite]

Fact ! Not all ! But when you got 4-5k gold in stash and you keep asking for free loot from your viewers it s a shame. #Gri….

[fickle cape]

seems like a broadbrush to paint the picture with, unless you use some finer tools you miss the finer details

[bleak thistle]

Do we have any information on the wipe hour ?

[north perch]

Sarcasm

[spice jay]

Wipe already out?

[north perch]

There should be no one shot's. Its not call of duty. I shouldnt feel like i just got sniped with a 50 cal. Getting one tapped with no counterplay doesnt feel good.

[orchid quartz]

nerf everyone
I want the fights to be a wet noodle fight

[wispy ridge]

Yes!

[thin patrol]

with they update late at night or in like how many hours?

[subtle heart]

WIPE WHEN ???

[muted quiver]

If you dont nerf Boc and warlock ability cooldowns this patch I am uninstalling and converting to greed is good..

[copper marlin]

whens wipe

[low portal]

WHAT- some guy named ChautheC just gave me a golden key and 1150 gold for free

im rich now- idk where to use the golden key lmao

[subtle heart]

wipe when?

[weak umbra]

read yourself

[loud hornet]

Everyone asking whether or not wipe is out just keep your eyes on #📢announcements they will post it there when its done

[visual dragon]

I will actually dedicate next wipe to making sure i can get as many people to not buy this game as possible if they dont fix this burning trashheap

[rustic pecan]

speaking like the no life this game is meant for, DaD is not for the weak casual noob. its for the no life tryhard do the same thing over and over again farming addict. stay addicted baby rager

[visual dragon]

lmao, if you believe it or not. i actually got a random to not purchase it from this chat alone lol

[loud hornet]

That honestly wont help much at all, I feel like this next wipe which today unless you are talking about the full wipe coming mid-November. The stash wipe prolly have much of anything in it besides small balance changes and hopefully some changes to trade, like the auction house they are wanting to test. We will only know when patch notes release.

Besides the point of it, if you reduce the new player base that will give them less of a reason to change the game because its still going to be the hard-stuck on keeping the game the same so they can just bully everyone one of the noobs that come in. I get kitted reletivly easily and run hrs and shit, but I try to keep peace when someone is learning the game and help newcomers out to keep them playing. The more good experiences new players have with the game will bring more and more in, just a waiting game from starter improvement.

[void lodge]

Im not home, servers already down and wiping ?

[short sparrow]

How many troll pelts do y'all think each extra stash slot will cost?

sounds reasonable

[loud hornet]

Oh boy cant wait for economy to inflate again and have to pay around 8k for a trolls pelt so I can then spend another 10k on other items to increase stash space

[visual dragon]

Boycotting or striking reduces their income which believe me does wonders on game development. It also harms their stock value and their reputation, especially because i hear they're trying to expand their offices and dev team.

[rocky ore]

If anyone has a rare ign they'd trade dm me

[short sparrow]

They're already developing actively and listen to the community

[cyan plank]

finally someone with a brain...

[delicate solar]

Why do you dedicate your efforts to "educate" people like this? Seems arrogant and condescending. You think you are capable of evaluating the game quality better than the person you are trying to convince? What's wrong with people deciding for themselves? If the game is indeed so bad as you say it will lose people regardless of your efforts. You're not "opening eyes" to anyone, you're just sabotaging people's work for the fun of it. Also hearing you talk about "Stock price" says you know nothing about IronMace at all.

[worthy cradle]

"stock value" lol. It's a private company

[brisk shore]

Have the servers gone down for the wipe yet? If not do they usually go down at a specific time or?

[fading solar]

In 7h maybe, like last time.

[visual dragon]

ey, i didnt do anything. i just told them to ask the game discussion if the game was worth the 35$ and guess what they said? it is my right as a comsumer to be displeased with my product and i have a right to tell people my opinion if it is worth the buy lol

[gaunt wigeon]

WTB STINK STICK

[sly frost]

me me want wipe me me want now

[dusty gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/wipe-hype-rust-wipe-hype-gif-24751809

[delicate solar]

You have the right, no one says you don't, just don't present it like a "crusade for justice", don't say you are doing it to "do wonders on game development", when in reality it's just sabotage for fun.

[short sparrow]

Go in collector's guild

[visual dragon]

I think you misunderstand, its not for fun; it is because i am rightfully pissed. I also never said it was for justice, i belive it to be more of a spite thing personally

[gaunt wigeon]

collectors guild?

[hallow reef]

Has the wipe happened already?

[short sparrow]

Dm

[analog spire]

over under on getting an overall stat reduction across all gear tiers? i sure hope so

[robust river]

How are you rightfully pissed?

[delicate solar]

Well, you say you bought the game, it's quality didn't please you, so you decided to make the game even worse for everyone who bought the game same as you by driving off the new playerbase? You do understand you are punishing your fellow community members as well as developers, right? Is it me or is it slightly illogical to answer on something you don't like by making it worse?

[restive brook]

Just one more day of "wondering when the devs will post information in regards to wipe but dont" 🫠

[candid cargo]

gear cap isnt the problem, the problem is how easy it is to get good shit. it takes no effort, anyone can get together a purple kit by playing for a couple hours. Gold shouldnt be only in ruins and it shouldnt be common. Items should get trade banned to stop flipping. gear and gold should be hard to get, and only place where you should find a lot of good stuff is highrollers.

[vapid patrol]

Yo when do wipe happen today??

[loud hornet]

Boycotting isnt going to help at all. They are already a small dev team as is and what is going to reduce their amount of pay going to achieve that will just make them from deving the game further. They are essentially an indie dev

[dusty gorge]

15 minutes

[copper marlin]

wipe hype

[visual dragon]

How will it make the game worse when this game currently feeds on the newer population? If there are no new people joining or playing it will simply die, and that i am ok with(at this point and time). I really dont understand why my methods are upsetting, its the same thing as leaving a bad review on steam, although with a little more effort and editing skills.

[analog spire]

i genuinely think they dont know rn either. i think they play it by ear aka 'when its ready'

[hollow remnant]

WIPE CONFIRMED FOR 11:00AM APPROX 5 HOURS FROM NOW. #📢announcements

[loud hornet]

Unless Im blind I dont see the time in #📢announcements

[visual dragon]

Go slip on an upright cucumber

[rocky ore]

If anyone has a rare ign they'd trade dm me

[pliant patio]

when wipe?

[pulsar galleon]

The real wipe was the friendship we never made in this chat channel

[worldly kite]

😂😂😂 perfect answer , I think he ll like it

[delicate solar]

Oh. So you are pissed you lost 35$ and now out of spite you make efforts to kill the game and make everyone else around you lose their 35-50$ as well? Ok, now when you came clean about your intentions without any "justice warrior" bullshit like "I'm going to do wonders on game development" I'm content. You have the right to be a person who doesn't care about those around you who are in the same position, I was just pissed you are trying to present it nice like you are "educating" someone and help them not to lose their money.

[visual dragon]

to be fair, i am. it just displeases you the game and community will be harmed in the process. but i promise you it will help long term especially with this new streamer event coming up. i can smell their intentions of getting fresh meat and by god i will be Moses splitting the sea of new fishes.

[loud hornet]

How is the community going to be harmed in the process when its clearly advertised as an unfinished product

[elfin holly]

Dude is talking like a politician lmao. If you're mad go outside and step away from the computer

[pulsar galleon]

Why are we still here

[olive crest]

Why can a barb swing a war maul faster than a fighter can swing a falchion...

[visual dragon]

i guess you can consider no new people as harming the game but i dont really feel that way, he does though which is fair. hurts the company's money and longevity or sum shite

[main plaza]

A G I L I T Y

[elfin holly]

Just to suffer

[olive crest]

Even with agility, still kinda dumb to be able to swing that thing that fast.. really hope this patch tomorrow makes this game more balanced..

[loud hornet]

I dont know what you are going on about no new players, Ive personally gotten about 10 people into the game and them knowing its in a shite state. And I also run into a bunch of new people to the game In GC if you have any stats or graphs showing new player count I would be so inclined to see what you are talking about. I know that the early game in this game is ass its not friendly twards new players. Yes at a dev standpoint they need to work on that but also as a community we can help with the wound ourselves. Like you know if you clearly see someone in grey gear maybe dont go up and shit on them immediately and help them out so they will retain a will to play the game.

[knotty canopy]

i like turtles

[fallow mica]

When does the wipe starts?

[delicate solar]

Ok, now you are making it look nice again so I'm not content )). Here's we go again with "justice warrior" bullshit "I promise you it will help long term". You don't know a single thing about the developers company, talking about their "stock value" and want me to believe you know what you are doing? You don't. IronMace is a tiny company who is currently battling a huge multinational corporation (Nexon) as well as some other contenders. You are not trying to "restrain the greedy corporation", you are beating a tiny company who already has it hard. You can promise all you want that "it will help", but you are not here to help at all, you are here to harm everyone who already bought the game out of spite without thinking twice.

[gritty rock]

Add more players back into goblin cave and get rid of the + damage stats on items. No + addition damages no + weapon damage

[restive brook]

Wipe in 15 minutes - onepeg

[knotty canopy]

"Wipe in 15 mins" - Obama

[arctic cove]

If this wipe doesnt come with major balance changes the game is just gonna be dead again after wipe

[hollow remnant]

How large is the cucumber?

[dense coral]

anyone knwo what time the wipe is?

[subtle heart]

probably late utc like 10pm

[visual dragon]

ey, im just stating why i believe shipso is upset about me telling people the game bad is harmful. i really dont know why he thinks so, i figured id respond since shipso is having me in the most volcanic anticipation for his new response
nvm, here it comes lol. homie really upset about my moral and alignment lol. bro, i do not care if this game was ran by starving children in Ukraine or if it was ran by a box of kittens. i dont understand as to why i have to know what i am doing to convey my opinion unto another person, you know what. just for that nexon comment, I HOPE THEY LOSE. like idek why the legal battles even matter in this discussion when we all know it is a false accusation at this point and either way, i really dont care.

[worldly scaffold]

I mean about all my friends that got in the game already quit playing it leaving me by myself. Which I don't want to solo this game so I'm gonna stop playing until some major update

[hollow remnant]

Why dont you go check the time all the other wipes were held at

[visual dragon]

as large as u want it my little victoria secret model

[hard wharf]

Anyone know when wipe is

[delicate solar]

I am not talking about legal issues, that's the tiniest bit of it, I'm talking about everything else Nexon is doing to harm IronMace. Real harmful actions like DDoSing their servers, funding Greed is Good and such. I understood you don't care long ago, I just wanted you to come clean with it without any "my actions can do wonders on game development" and "I promise you it will help long term" bullshit. Here you said it flat and I'm content again.

[arctic cove]

The only people left playing the game are rmters, hackers and bots, id be really surprised if it ever recovers after this. Even past wipes game never got this dead

[visual dragon]

i have never said i wanted to help the game, just that it would. also i think you scaring my ekitten away

[loud hornet]

I think I threw up a little reading that

[tulip cloud]

I wonder what nerf Bard is getting this hotfix. Any ideas?

[arctic cove]

Any idea when the game is getting actual anti cheat

[visual dragon]

look man, i seen you hop on league of legends and you also play xenoblade chronicles. i really dont wanna hear u e kitten shame me, unless youre jealous, now thats a different story. a wizard can have as many apprentices as he wants

[loud hornet]

What does me likeing Xenoblade and playing League have to do with a cringe statement

[short sparrow]

Stamina bar so we need clarity potions to use songs

[devout yacht]

bards will no longer be able to use crossbows or rapiers and mainly just instruments to fight with

[final fox]

They are adding skin flute

[waxen ether]

holy shot

[tulip cloud]

But still unable to play chorale of clarity while resting. I like it 👍

[visual dragon]

that statement does infact make me belive you play the skinflute

[loud hornet]

You know it, the best one in NA

[short sparrow]

Nah you can only play songs while resting

[polar steppe]

hey how does pulverizing works?
is it 25/50/75% armor reduction or is it 25, then 25 of whats left, then again 25 of whats left ?

[visual dragon]

offer still stands to be my little apprentice

[keen path]

when the patch is plane ?

[eager oracle]

Is any of this real or are you memeing Nexon the one ddosing and funding greed is good?

[loud hornet]

No thanks Master Oogway

[forest relic]

someone sell me a deathbloom or viola PLS

[rocky ore]

If anyone has a rare ign they'd trade dm me

[loud hornet]

Bro just wait until mid november wipe

[knotty canopy]

i have tigglebitties

[devout yacht]

@rose finch you're the man lmao

[delicate solar]

Just to know how deep exactly I will need to go in my answer to that, have you played GiG?

[tranquil latch]

what time is wipe

[mighty ibex]

Soon™️

[eager oracle]

Yeah I played it The game was awful there were teamers everywhere and the discord staff was ignoring compliants and questions.
At first glance it looks good

[loud hornet]

Welcome to most nexon games look at Veiled Experts

[devout yacht]

yall should be uninstalling gig, don't support that trash company lol

[proven merlin]

when is the wipe today?

[subtle heart]

im begging you please wipe now my cat is not happy with the recent decision to not wipe this very moment please do the wipe or you will make him very upset and when my cat is very upset he is very upset to the point that is he is so upset 🐱

[mighty ibex]

Gonna guess the wipe is going to be Soon™️ As today is currently the 26th for everyone, besides some outliers because timezones.

[half vessel]

Guys wipe is gonna be like 5pm EST deal with it

[twin spear]

most likely wipe wont be til after 5pm EST like @half vessel said
also it will likely be the 27th for ironmace when it happens

[arctic cove]

Wipe is usually at the very end of the day they announce it on, so expect 7-8PM EST. Yes likely will be on our 27th

[twin spear]

anyone got viola i wanna use it before wipe

[mighty ibex]

I mean, at the end of the day I work midnights, I have also only been playing for like, three days, the wipe does not concern me, I am awaiting it with open arms.
It comes quicker if you have a nap.

[pulsar galleon]

no nap. only patch

[hollow remnant]

Time to go to sleep until wipe! Just got home from work perfect timing.

[pulsar galleon]

no sleep. only wheepe

[arctic cove]

The real question is how tf are servers still so laggy and bad with only 3k people in dungeon

[twin spear]

the constant ddos attacks from hackers and teamers when they die so they dont lose gear
also 5k in dungeon not 3k

[sharp spoke]

it’s also like a day before wipe player count should go up

[earnest current]

game update ????

[twin spear]

when they update it always is announced in https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/988662112454836234

@sharp spoke yeah when wipe happens i would expect 40k-50k

[hollow remnant]

China

[eager oracle]

It would be nice if at the minimum between updates you got to keep one of the 500 GP gold bags that you made from the troll pelt . I don't think that would really affect the economy badly and it would keep people coming back if they didn't have to farm for the same item every time to have enough inventory to do stuff they want to do

[knotty canopy]

or you could just play the game

[earnest current]

wipe in 26 but right now is the end of the day still no update dont say announced

[twin spear]

its been confirmed that the update with the wipe today will include purchasable stash space with in game gold
proof: https://youtu.be/f2bYsrdwk1g?si=y9pIHTvWqjPmX5H9

@earnest current wipe will happen at end of day sometime around 5pm EST if not later more than likely the 27th for korea

[eager oracle]

Or you could give your perspective on if you agree or disagree with me. If you look above and see the title on this thread this is called game discussion. What you're doing is just saying or you could not have that idea. Which isn't a discussion.

Now that the goofball is cleared up let me repost that:

It would be nice if at the minimum between updates you got to keep one of the 500 GP gold bags that you made from the troll pelt . I don't think that would really affect the economy badly and it would keep people coming back if they didn't have to farm for the same item every time to have enough inventory to do stuff they want to do - perdrios believes you can purchase stash space in this update

[glad path]

PLEASE change the censor ship coding i cant spell my name in game cuz it cotains night

[knotty canopy]

purchasing stash space is not the same as keeping one of your items after a WIPE

[sharp spoke]

buh the funny nig won’t let you 😹

[twin spear]

i dont just believe it, its 100% confirmed

@knotty canopy yes i know its not the same but its part of @eager oracle's point since the whole reason to keep the gold bag is to save space

[versed tinsel]

when humanity is so inlove with a term or a word

[earnest current]

Basic hack from china player is Lag switch , speed hack and wall hack , 3 basic hack work all game

[eager oracle]

Exactly, @knotty canopy bro we'll keep rolling you if you keep crap posting while we're trying to have a discussion

[thorn rune]

You can purchase stashes this update, watch one pegs video. At the end he said sdf leaked it to him

[knotty canopy]

roll these nuts around in your mouth

[twin spear]

this isnt just for you but i have to stress the fact that the purchasable stash space is the only 100% confirmed change so if other people try to say other stuff dont believe it without proof some guy was trying to point out ironman mode was confirmed yesterday but when i asked for proof he linked rick roll

[eager oracle]

Oh ad hominem he has nothing else to say so he's going for verbal attacks . Impressive I've never seen this before. Anyways just going to block this dude thanks for ur patience everyone. Won't be replying to you again chef so go ahead and get your last word and I won't see it

[earnest current]

hope we got more stash and another way to take money out from 5000g chest

[sharp spoke]

where did u hear this lol

[twin spear]

https://youtu.be/f2bYsrdwk1g?si=y9pIHTvWqjPmX5H9 sdf confirmed it to onepeg

[burnt wind]

they should remove longbow. Thoughts?

[knotty canopy]

you want people to have thoughts for you? where are your own thoughts? you brought it up

[arctic cove]

If devs dont fix netcode the game deserves to die

[sharp spoke]

real

[tawny hornet]

"omg fix netcode" lul

[burnt wind]

I think that removing it will give more reason to run the windless as a longer range option and it makes ranger not an absolute glass cannon. the recurve bow has enough damage and range to be the longest bow option and if you want a longer range with higher damage you run the windless that takes forever to reload

[arctic cove]

Games in 2023 releasing with 0 server side checks and the most basic netcode you can imagine and gamers are lapping it up. PC gamers lost its a mobile gamer world now, no one even asks for community servers or proper moderation anymore.

[worldly scaffold]

Remove gold bags entirely and have it as a counter in the stash like in every other game :/ boom so much more stash space, no grinding cave troll for pelts

[mellow mortar]

Its that simple!

[visual dragon]

curv stomp rangers
federally regulated sterilization for rangers
throw a pregnant ranger in a running woodchipper

[loud bronze]

Tarkov dose not do this

[earnest current]

keep gold like diablo 4 just use number dont use bag is the best way

[burnt wind]

everyone is on edge in this discord lol get some sleep

[worldly scaffold]

It's fine as an item in the dungeon but like it's almost always better to take a junk item bc it sells better. I have also never played or looked at tarkov so idk how it does currency

[pallid tree]

Fighters shouldnt be able to use string weapons

[verbal oyster]

nerf druid

[hollow remnant]

GUYS JUST TAKE A NAP AND WHEN U WAKE UP ITLL BE WIPED

[loud bronze]

That won't work for this type of game because it will cause massive amounts of inflation @worldly scaffold tarkov does the same way this game does with 3 different currency, the only difference if you can hold alot more money In One stack on Tarkov

[earnest current]

so give us more stash and done , but Devs dont want us got more stash

[left plinth]

Honestly I think the biggest quality of life thing they can do is raise the gold slider cap from 10 to 50

[loud bronze]

It's been said that it was leaked that you will be able to buy more stash space this wipe, will find out in a few hours.

[worldly scaffold]

Just remove gold entirely, barter economy ftw

[crisp marsh]

they are removing trade....you won't need gold for much...

[warped raft]

Or at least double bags to hold 100 coins

[tulip cloud]

Just buy gold satchels and chests from Xiao Pao he’ll hook you up

[worldly scaffold]

All my gold goes to merchant items anyways bc I can't stand dealing with the glue eaters in the trade chat god forbid I want a specific item and I'm waiting on someone to offer it

[earnest current]

remove trade and lost 20% player and after 1 week 40% player and soon no one play

[crisp marsh]

who knows what it will do...you have no idea...you are just guessing...same as they are

[naive seal]

New Warlock Skill Suggestions;

Displace - Place a Mark on the ground, Max distance 30 Meters, Reactivate skill to Channel 1.5sec teleport back to Mark

Leech - Increase Magical healing +15 for 8 Seconds

Cataclysm - Erupt the ground around you, 2 sec channel the ground echoes with damage in a 5 meter range around the warlock doing Physical Dmg

Reflection - Cast a visual shield on yourself reflecting 50% physical damage back as Magical damage last 4 secs

[worn slate]

No trade would be horrendous lol, yall dk what yall are talking about

[loud bronze]

No there is a sizeable amount of people who like trading, removing it is a horrible idea

[warped raft]

They just need an auction hall. Trading ruins the gold economy when all anyone wants are keys. MAKE GOLD GREAT AGAIN!

[earnest current]

that for sure no guessing just try and sure all play another game , what the point for take gold and gear that you can't use , all solo player will give up , and squad team buy gear from who

[rustic socket]

when is wipe

[crisp marsh]

they only have like 10k players left......not much to lose

[pulsar galleon]

wipe is at yes

[rocky terrace]

when is wipe

[drifting ingot]

9:15

[loud bronze]

That's not tradings fault that is the fault of there being no way to easily story larger amounts of gold and the key rooms themselves being less valuable to actually go to.

[worldly scaffold]

Auction house is the way to go actually get to look at stuff in the chat and rarity, they pull tons of influence from wow, DND, and Diablo copying the wow AH wouldn't be that bad

[earnest current]

another toxic try to be smart eat ban kid

[crisp marsh]

ban for what? telling the truth? There are currently 10681 people in the playerlist.... it was a similar amount yesterday...

[warped raft]

I find it to be a way for players to extort higher than worth prices on junk. Auction hall will fix a lot of those problems. You want keys so bad, go farm them instead of trying to get them for every little item

[twin spear]

10k this soon before wipe is alot, not to mention 10k is alot for any indie game especially when its not on steam

[drifting ingot]

Look at every single wipe game. Rust, tarky, ect. It dies late wipe best at early and starts to die off mid to late

[dusty gorge]

Truuuuuuuueeeee

[supple sapphire]

10 k player tradeing Pool is geting close Low to get a real pick up you cant sustiain a game with that number they need to Make it look good for new players to try if evry youtube and steamer is Downing the game Were not gona get a a biger Pool they need to adjust For more Cas Players or they kill the game in crib

[west socket]

For the love of god nerf fucking chain lighting and mage

[tulip cloud]

Just farm keys lol

[worldly scaffold]

Isn't allowing us to hold more gold and what not going to inflate the market too since more of it is going to be around?

[fickle locust]

Cool skills, there’s a suggestion tab for that if you want it to have a better chance of being seen

[loud bronze]

Yes, it's not a good solution unless they also changed how much gold we can trade at once. @warped raft acution won't fix the problem because it's not the root of the problem. The 2 things I stated are.

[twin spear]

for all we know they could be changing this

[delicate solar]

Quick answer to your question would be that I absolutely believe this is real due to spending a ton of time investigating the issue to be absolutely sure who I should back up on this before I do, while I admit there is no 100% hard proof, especially with DDoS.

Now to the long part:

About GiG I am absolutely sure because having this many tiny details in GiG exactly the same as in D&D just mathematically impossible. Weapon attack patterns, most skills, core mechanics, same items that are just renamed like "Rapier dagger" with the same rondel model (wtf), the exact same combo cursor ffs, too many tiniest stuff is absolutely the same as D&D which leaves no real room to chance, even considering Unreal Engine Store. Somehow especially that relates to the stuff that was in D&D from the start. GiG is visually not bad, but some game mechanics are so bad that it's almost like someone left them with all the visuals and game design documents, but no understanding of the key mechanics of the game. Nexon's closed P3 project footage I saw somehow had absolutely the same look GiG has (sterile anime'ish style) and D&D has not, due to most P3 visual assets being left to Nexon. An absolutely anonymous studio without any public presence whatsoever (Flame Dragon/The Fool's Studio) popping out of nowhere and making a game looking like this into playtest so quick after their competitor succeeded is a huge feat. Almost like they plenty of something to work with. Coincidentally Nexon while being South Korean also has a big presence in China where The Fool's Studio is based, but of course I was unable to track a 100% clear paper trail.

About DDoS as I said I have no possible way of having hard proof, only assumptions based on Nexon having both ample resources and the biggest motive among everyone else to do that, especially after losing US court. Coincidentally that's about time IM started to have major problems with their hardware, while earlier playtests were perfectly fine.

[warped raft]

Not if you can actually spend the gold in a decent fashion. Right now if you want anything good you have to hustle keys that cost way more than what any item should really be worth and now everyone just sits on gold cause they don't feel like trying to play the "obtain gold keys all day" mini game just to buy stuff

[woeful plume]

I think the mantra from the BR gang is..."skill issue"?

[dry bay]

Anyone know what time wipe is for Europe?

[warped raft]

I would like to play game, make gold, spend gold, play game some more. Not play game then spend the rest of the day sitting in the trade post trying to beat out snipe bots

[cold reef]

15 minutes

[worldly scaffold]

They should make a gold progression system like an in game guild hall for a gold sink since there's no reason to be spending gold

[wise gyro]

probably like 6-8pm utc+1

[twin spear]

no confirmed timeframe for wipe yet but speculation is late in the day for EST

[earnest current]

sure 4 hours more they will do that at 0:00 27/10

[boreal root]

just got 1 tapped by a warlock stacking magical damage, i was a juiced cleric fully buffed please remove damage stacking

[warped raft]

There used to be a way to spend gold right up until there was no way to filter out everyone wanting 1250 or keys for every decent item. One little filter would have helped this greatly. For now I just max my block list out every time I shop in order to hide gold farming or coal raked pricing

[ripe kiln]

Guys what time is the Wipe?

[dusty gorge]

15 minutes!!

[worldly scaffold]

I always thought the prices were unreasonable anyways, so I just merchant everything then again since all my friends quit I hardly play anymore so what do I know

[pulsar galleon]

Release wap

[gritty cove]

Keep the trolling for General chat where it belongs

[gleaming carbon]

Have some sort of practice queue been thought about? I'm sure it has but it would be nice to spawn in on your own or with a friend to test out max hits and learning basic 1v1s etc

[warped raft]

Go take a coma and when you wake up it will be wiped. . .

[drifting ingot]

Told ur momma the same thing.

[arctic cove]

Im watching some peoples hits just not register, like a warlock swung his falchion through a rogue 2-3x and it didnt register. Rogue also had a few rapier swipes that just went straight through with no reg.

[unreal obsidian]

They should do the wipe ealy today

[void ember]

No only the developers have the ability to do that in test builds atm. Us plebs aren't worthy.

[dusty gorge]

Its wiping in 15min actually. Sourse: trust me bro

[warped raft]

I believe this happens far more than anyone realizes. Why we could use those floating damage numbers in game as well. No floaty number after a hit, you can clip that and be like wtfmate?

[pulsar galleon]

She died

[gritty cove]

Rogues are slippery

[worldly scaffold]

Bruh the numbers don't even show when you hit the sides or body of the dummy

[wise gyro]

they said it would be a nice feature for players but they wont be doing it

[warped raft]

That's my point. Would be nice to actually see this happening in game so when you spec someone you just hit 10 times seconds later and they still have next to full health you can have some proof as to wtf is going on

[worldly scaffold]

They want you to learn through error and punishment for learning, I've said it before this game is a masochism simulator in the truest sense. Where's the hardcore in training so you don't just get dinked by going in or trying a weapon out

[warped raft]

Want us to learn that half of landed hits are not registering at all ?

[drifting ingot]

As useful as it would be it sadly would not work. So many people would just keep track of health at that point

[worldly scaffold]

They do that so you won't come to disc and complain that you lost a whole kit bc the game isn't working as intended. Do you have any idea how much work it is to fix something so critical?

[mossy viper]

When’s wipe

[warped raft]

Granted you specced everyone before a match and kept track of everyone's hp and how would you really know who you are fighting. it would still be a large guess to try and keep track of that. It would be nice though to actually see what you are hitting for. Plenty of games have this and it works just fine.

[drifting ingot]

Yeah but I’ve never seen a survival/lose all ur loot game do it, because people are mad competitive and it’s easier then you think to keep in mind who ur fighting from the pre lobby

[warm wolf]

im gonna say it
remove trading, you should only be able to use what you loot or but at merchants
PD: if you don't agree, you are wrong

[woven matrix]

Wipe gonna come at 6pm and be 4 hours lmao

[worldly scaffold]

Is that really a bad thing? Only variables missing are how much str they have stacking their HP (which HP should be on a different stat in the first place) or how much health they have before. If a player is able to keep track of all that in the middle of an intense combat situation more power to them it added some skill to the game. HP is displayed in a ton of other games as an HP bar and it makes no difference damage numbers as well

[warped raft]

GiG has it. Clone of this game. That and shared vaults to trade stuff with your own characters 2 way better things than offered here imo

[azure depot]

anyone giving away named to a poor mane like me

[worldly scaffold]

Seeing the numbers only lets me know if I need to gtfo bc I do no damage or if my build is working as intended. Since this game will always be a burst damage/dps meta that's all that will matter

[drifting ingot]

Well let’s say I’m running BIS cleric I got a average of 65 to 70 pdr “that’s pretty typical” and a rogue hits me “oh shit I hit him for 8dmg never mind boys back out” that’s what I’m getting at it would scare people from@making plays also.

[loud hornet]

Removing trading isnt going to solve anything with loot disparity changing how trading works and how its is utilized is a much better way of handling the situation itself. Like the auction house idea functioning like the GE in runescape isnt a bad one. If you outright remove trade itself from the game it will still have high geared players just stomping on low gear players. There has to be a balance here, like them investing time into making HRS more enticing to the higher geared players. There is multiple problems that needs to be fixed but outright removing them from the game isnt the play here. I agree with you they need to do something but I disagree with them removing something so important to these types of games

[warm wolf]

ah, you seem to have mised the last part: you are wrong

[warped raft]

Yes you are right. Let's keep using deception to keep your already largely over-powered class stepping on
unsuspecting rogues. . .

[inner sundial]

Any news about the new patch ?

[tame jewel]

Is it true wipes normally happen after 2PM est?

[worldly scaffold]

That's a good thing, if you engage and do no damage you are now tasked with escaping and should have had a better build and kit

[drifting ingot]

So I’m not against the extra loot room me and my trio literally have our naked characters just for gold and no loot we just trade it over because no room, also back to what you said about the over powered thing I never said it wasn’t I just was making a point it would just make so many fights a wild goose chase

[warped raft]

So you don't want fights you want to continue to seal club and not have anyone be the wiser 😉

[worldly scaffold]

In my experience yes this is accurate I get the notification around 1pm while I'm at work but there's been a couple Instances where it occured later

[loud hornet]

Just saying something/someone is wrong without giving anything to the current situation doesnt help your case out at all. All you said was to remove it without giving any valid suggestion to overlap with removing trade itself. Then you just go onto to saying that I was wrong with what I said about gear disparity and actually giving ideas over just remove something is interesting to say the least.

[umbral moth]

Usually later, as they are based in South Korea

8am for them is 4pm Central time

[drifting ingot]

I could be wrong with this I’ve just been playing survival games like these for a while and it never works out or gets removed the patch after

[keen violet]

Wipe hype!?!?!?!?

[worldly scaffold]

There should be a acct shared stash, not only does that help with the extra stash space problem it makes it easier for solo players to have alternate characters and gets rid of a middle man

[tulip perch]

[warped raft]

Could you name a few? I'd like to check this out.

[loud hornet]

I understand the whole chasing around and TTKS being to slow during fights if they get rid of dmg stacking. But something does need to happen. My only suggestion I have in this matter is making dmg attributes on weapons and armor to only be applied to weapons. Armor should get resistance/mobility. Rings can get dmg aswell necklaces can be for mobi/resistance and cloaks purely resistance. Raise the base dmg of weapons up just a bit to counter removing all the dmg stacks and that should be fine because people would be forced to run resistance on their armor.

The only thing that scares me if they were to changed it this way is by leaning into bis builds focusing on tanks. I can imagine an unkillable fighter/barb/cleric

[drifting ingot]

Or just go the tarky way and make cases for everything, weapon cases, armor cases, junk box for craftables ect.

[tulip perch]

We are getting buyable stash extensions with this update or novembers

[worldly scaffold]

Ok but I want to give this awesome halberd to my warlock but I gotta use someone else to do it adding bags like in EverQuest doesn't fix this issue

[tulip perch]

Shared stash with transfer fee would be nice.

[worldly scaffold]

Unironically they'd give us an acct shared stash and it'd be the size of the horadric cube from d2 just enough to hold like a pavise and a long sword

[drifting ingot]

Rust being the main one, it was a popular thing on modded servers awhile back when they added it where you could mod servers and shit then people hated it so every dev removed it from there servers “was never a official update” more a community vote, only see it on pve servers now

[cobalt cairn]

i really hope they make it cost bluestone and not redstone

[twin spear]

this update and it will cost gold

[tulip perch]

gold, its on Onepegs video.

[worldly scaffold]

Xfer fee is unnecessary, I don't need to be bled dry of my gold for something I earned myself to begin with

[drifting ingot]

I’m assuming it’s not gonna be that bad maybe like 1k

[tulip perch]

I was thinking 30 gold since that's what it cost to trade 2 times anyways.

[warped raft]

rust is a dif genre, its survival not extraction. i would compare it more to the forest or other survival games and maybe that would be odd there, but here where learning is done by fighting it would be nice to actually see what you are hitting people for, not just to learn but to also see how fucked up the code is when half those hits are not registering

[pure owl]

Update @ 6pm est

[haughty shell]

says who

[arctic cove]

The previous patches have come between 3pm - 12pm EST

[worldly scaffold]

I'd figure 500, I've never had 1k gold in my stash and w/o a troll bag that's like half your stash wasted for more stash

[warped raft]

also wanting to keep that hidden just makes me think you dont want anyone to know how to adapt so instead when that rogue is trying to chip away at the cleric and sees "well shit this is not working" they will try another build or approach to counter that, thje way it is now and speccin players after a fight just leaves quite a bit of confusion in the end, i want to play a game and not have to be Neil deGrasse Tyson to figure out my damage ratios during a fight

[cobalt cairn]

it depends on how big the expansion is, if its an entire second stash i think 1k for it is on the cheap end

[quasi kindle]

How is this possible just make it out like 5 times and you got 1k if you suck at looting

[charred violet]

Maybe a stupid question but if I use 1weapon in both hands : a rapier +2 additional magical damage and my second weapon is a short sword with +2 additional magical damage too . Can you tell me if the additional magical damage stack even if I only use one of them when I hit someone ? So +4additional magical damage by only attacking with the rapier for exemple ?

[warped raft]

you are getting both stats cause they are out at the same time, does not matter which you hit with

[twin spear]

yes bonus stats are counted as long as the item is equipped actively so dual wield counts but not items in the other weapon slot
this applies to utility items too like bard instruments with bonus stats only count if that specific instrument is in hand

[charred violet]

Ty Boyz 👌

[dense grove]

I keep seeing Reddit posts about druid WTF. I opened the game earlier and it's still locked

[drifting ingot]

No I didn’t mean it at all like that lol I was just trying to explain what I was sayin I’m pretty sure everyone knows how to deal with the slow pdr guy

[warped raft]

your 1st mistake was listening to reddit 🙂

[rigid gorge]

No question is a stupid question. (Unless it's "when wipe" and then the answer is 25 minutes after the last person asks it)

[cold reef]

The solution is to never got to Reddit ever. Reddit = 💩

[dense grove]

Like one post or one person and I would have discounted it. Maybe it's some large-scale inside joke I'm missing

@cold reef ironically I get better info there than here a majority of the time. Discord is exactly the same.

[warped raft]

yes which contradicts what you were saying, you dont want someone to hit you and run away, you want them to be a lemming and keep hitting you while you 1 bonk or mika them, god forbid if someone uses a floating number to see they cannot deal with you and run off causing you to "wild goose chase them" as you put it

[charred violet]

Yeah i ask that because I recently discovered that there is some exception, hand crosswbow doesn't stack magical damage with poison with a rogue for example but throwing knives do

[warped raft]

isnt there too much time between reloading and firing a bolt to stack anything though ? or did you mean the additional mag dam does not count when hitting them ?

[charred violet]

The mg dmg doesn't count at all with a hand crossbow it's maybe a bug or a certified decision from the Devs I don't know but that's why there is a lot of rogue who ABuse of throwing knife (more faster, no reload, can stack)

[worldly scaffold]

I spend my gold, and no most runs out of caves nets you at most 80-100. Iv had runs so piss poor with loot I walked out with 20 some of gold bc I only found gray and white gear for off classes

[warped raft]

ahh yea i stopped using the hbow when they made it a perk/penalty to use it so i never noticed this

[drifting ingot]

I just don’t want a ranger or even a throwing knife determine if I should push or not, the whole point of a pvpve extraction game is making plays and taking risky fights and I just don’t think yeah my whole build is to counter wizards, why should wizards know that before a fight?, once again tho no reason to go deep on this at the end of the day it’s just my opinion

[worldly scaffold]

Devs already said druid won't be till later this year or early next year since warlock is still unfinished. They said they don't wanna work on a new class until the current class is finished. This was said in the qna

[warped raft]

tomato, tomahto 😉

[dense grove]

Yeah I figured out its some mass inside joke.

[valid lily]

Go to HR. You can easily get 150-200 in trinkets alone + the same or double in gear.

[warped raft]

none of the classes are finished though LOL, its def an odd way they go about things, its like they start all these projects them jump around from broken one to another lol

[worldly scaffold]

Devs also said in the qna "we know ranger is strong. But nerfs are just a tool to use as needed, not a goal" so we can assume the devs are biased towards rangers and we will not be seeing a nerf anytime soon

[vague flint]

I do think that ranger needs a debuff for his field rations skill

[twin spear]

bro normal goblin caves is easy average of 250 gold for me and HR is close to 400 every run just from trinkets

[warped raft]

a tool they really only seem to use when going after the rogue HAHAHAHA certainly was no balancing there, just turning perks into penalties lol

[devout yacht]

Nah man, they wrecked the gold farm of HR. You go in to get gear now and HOPEFULLY cover your entrance fee

[restive brook]

HR is not even worth it tbh everytime I go in I get more loot in regular

[worldly scaffold]

Correct, but warlock still has that WIP label on them so I assume they are still adding to them and not just nerfing/adjusting things like they are for the other classes. Bard needs better skills which is why double song sheet was the main thing to run

[warped raft]

has a lot to do with the player too, ive run into bards that could take out entire teams due to the many buffs and their uncanny amount of defense

[naive seal]

yeah warlock has two skills, lol of course they adding to them

[worldly scaffold]

I've not gone into hr a single time since I've played this game, nor have I killed a single boss. My PC struggles running the game in some areas and I can't hear players coming most the time (idk if that's bc of PC specs or if it's in the games end) I'd consider myself about as casual or average as it gets in this game

[glass apex]

as long as youre having fun

[worldly scaffold]

They have 3! Fake player spotted! It's ok hardly anyone runs phantomize over blow of corruption

[naive seal]

Spellbooks not really a skill, just opens up his spell casting

[warped raft]

i always tell anyone having gold problems to make a rogue and use "cant catch me" builds and perk out lockpicks and grab a pickaxe and you will be rolling in gold, i use smoke pot, hide and shadow runner to keep away form everyone and i would like to say its 90% effective i make great bank with the rogue doing just this and i never have to touch HR or the like if i dont want to 🙂

[shadow patrol]

I’ve been running phantomize with flame walker a lot recently.
With the current range meta it’s been working out for me a lot better than BoC

[worldly scaffold]

I'm not all my friends quit and doing the same old grind in caves as a solo has stopped being fun. I have almost no reason to play atm outside of seal clubbing lower lobbies in my full purple/blue set. I refuse to be that guy

[prime furnace]

When’s wipe?

[naive seal]

True Warlocks dont use BoC its a meme right now, we all know its getting nerfed to the ground.

[slate pebble]

probably tonight

[remote yarrow]

Today you little dum dum

[delicate solar]

Why seal clubbing when you said yourself you didn't kill a single boss or learned HR? Why not learn troll?

[worldly scaffold]

Which is a skill and not an innate feature. I think any caster class should have casting as innate and 2 skills at the cost of lower base stats

[prime furnace]

No shit I was asking a time.

[visual dragon]

stats which are already low af lol, wiz just needs reworked

[naive seal]

UTC 23:59 at the latest

[warped raft]

gets boring fast as well, plus the fact its only in a solo map kind of sucks too, would be more fun to fight it with a team rather than just following the same pattern over and over

[worldly scaffold]

Every time I've gone to troll he's one shot me or the zone isn't in a good spot for it. He doesn't even drop anything worth having besides gold for merchant items there's better uses for my time. As for hr, I'll pass I already have gear and gold why bother? the pay out isn't worth the risk and stress

[naive seal]

Practice troll, you can kill him in 1min-2mins once you get him down. Then you get juicy Purples + Troll Pelt. its worth your time, if you practice

[warped raft]

troll pelt drop rate is so low its really not worth farming it compared to say farming the ruins for coffins or gold chests

[worldly scaffold]

Practice or cheese? I'd rather not just sit in the corner spamming hellfires until he's dead. I also play very stingy and don't take my blues and purples in with me very often it's just green gear bc it's the minimum you need to play the game at what I think should be a base gear level

[naive seal]

its 2% thats high for rare items in my opinion, but im a Runescape & BDO vet haha

But troll is just extra, I go in kill troll, people come try to steal my loot, so I kill them get their loot, its like a player magnet when they hear it die. So then I just need to extract because im full by then.

[remote yarrow]

2% Droprate on Troll pelt. So 1 every 50 successful Kills. Lets say you can do it every 2nd raid cause you dont get disturbed or have a Bad Zone. Means you get one every 100 Maps. Nah thanks

[warped raft]

sadly not everyone is as omnipotent as you and can kill the troll and everyone else on the map each drop 🙂

[vast gate]

Any talk about removing epic+ gear from normal dungeons again ? Losing to gear is really boring

[sharp prairie]

wtf why do i still have gear? I took the day off for the wipe and it hasnt even started yet wtf man

[remote yarrow]

I guess Most people just Hope for huge nerfs on +flat damage mods. Purple Gear isnt the Problem, added damage is. You can get +50 on even blue Gear already if you really wanna minmax

@sharp prairie should have paid Attention. Updates usually Happen at 7pm utc

[hearty crypt]

10/10 troll

[worldly scaffold]

I get troll pelt just to have more gold in not using, or a mystic gem less valuable key trolls blood is ok I guess like man's likely not giving me a cape either. I'm not the best at pvp bc the devs don't want you to practice it without losing everything so after I down troll I gotta be careful not to get killed by a cheese rouge or a barb ohko'ing me

[delicate solar]

Well, about HR seems many feel like that, better HR incentive is one of things I would definitely like to see this patch.

[floral sluice]

what's more annoying is people blaming gear when it's more likely to be skill to be an issue

[shell flicker]

I would def not mind longer fights alto it does feels nice to 2 shot someone

[vague flint]

exactly. I took down an all bule guy with junk gear\

[naive seal]

Yeah, idk I can do good amount of Goblin Caves within a hour or two, and I can kill troll literally naked.

@warped raft yeah, just need to practice really for the troll part, the players part is hit or miss. Normally the guys coming down to steal loot do a few specific things and its a open area so strong advantage for warlock outside of Rangers.

[vast gate]

Nah when I lose a good fight theres nothing wrong with that. But dying to 1 shot after hitting someone 6+ times without killing them is dumb

[worldly scaffold]

How many times have the devs unsuccessfully tried to incentivize going into hr and the players still won't do it. Even when loot was insane and there was a chance for legendaries in high value chest they still don't do it. If that's not enough incentive what is?

[naive seal]

This is more because players haven't learnt all the attacks from the mobs. When I first started HR it was literally scary, now its another walk in the park even with no gear.

[shell flicker]

Like you said, nothing will stop some people, they just wanna noob stomp and feel good, but they at least trying to find something that works

[warped raft]

nothing will ever take away from seal clubbing, most easy thing to do when you can put in that amount of time compared to others, why bother with tasking yourself when you can slaughter a lobby and just take all the loot they gathered for you 😉

[timid field]

when is patch goin live?

[vast gate]

The fights were really fun / more skill based when the gear was restricted

[worldly scaffold]

I disagree whoever had the blue/green weapon practically won the fight

[shell flicker]

I hope it gets delayed a bit, wasn't able to play much last couple days and still have some gear/gold to lose 😂

[warped raft]

was much easier to deal with than full purple/leg/unique kits in the long run and much easier to attain to be able to match in gear

[remote yarrow]

No? You Just stacked +damage as usual

[devout yacht]

why are we calling it* seal clubbing? sounds like jerk practice lol

[gilded minnow]

runn into norms as a loot pinata lettin people kill me for nuts gear/money lol

[shell flicker]

Yea just more noobs back then so people didn't know what to go for, now everyone knows their best stats so you will of course find "better" geared players

[worldly scaffold]

Alternatively, I just play something else bc they aren't doing enough to hold my interest plus no friends in the game. I've had more fun in the game now than ever bc I was actually abl to make progress and not lose the few greens and I found. I have a full kit of purples over several runs and what not and I don't really wanna play anymore

[naive seal]

The gear difference between god rolls blues to god roll purples are unnoticeable. If a player is skilled enough and has the knowledge to know what stats to stack they are going to stomp the lobby regardless. Nothing changed in the game when they had gear restrictions for me except blue cost more, Positioning/movement is the strongest variable in pvp, sure a ranger can get lucky and 1 tap you from far, but also if hes out of position hes literally dead to naked anything lol.

[warped raft]

same thing, clubbing seals would make you a jerk and then some

[delicate solar]

Well, personally I go in frequently as soon as have some kit, I think stress is lowering pretty fast once you practiced and loot is good. But yeah, there is a problem that many people just don't see the reason to embark on this learning curve in the first place. We need something very interesting to be available only there, like, make normal lobbies bland in comparison. Special bosses, dungeon events, quests might be some steps to that.

[worn fulcrum]

Seals going clubbing sounds fun

[devout yacht]

nah, can't say the M word. Is male ejaculation allowed?

[shell flicker]

Just like with seal clubbing, those peoples wanna smash skulls with little to no resistance

[warped raft]

sure, granted they get to keep their skins in the end 😉

[worldly scaffold]

I'd be happy with more maps to explore, or a solo PvE dungeon I need an item to access would be great l. I just think the games gotten stale and the imbalances have ran players off for a while

[deft rampart]

Its like 60 gear 40% skill, unless the gear gap is too big

[delicate solar]

The new map already was announced and in the works, idk when it will be available though. And I'm sure the game will not be so stale after this patch. It took much more time than usual after all.

[tame dirge]

Honest thoughts on what changes happen today with this patch besides the wipe I’m excited

[devout yacht]

bambie hunting? pubstomping? neither of those sound like male ejaculation

[shell flicker]

They did say something about a dragon boss needing more than 3 people to kill, maybe that would be a PVE thing or maybe you need to group up with another party, either way would be nice

[worldly scaffold]

I'm largely waiting for patch 2 that they said will be next month doubt another hotfix of nerfs is gonna make all my problems go away.

[warped raft]

if it was only skill involved players would not be vying for all the best gear so they can one tap everyone, they would want an even-footed challenge and sadly that is never the case here, its always about leaving it alone so the kings of the hills never get toppled, if there was no gear and it was all skill based you would really see a lot of the top players who depend on gear starting to not be so top anymore i wll point out again how bad gear dependency ruined a game like new world where the skill involved with how you used your characters skills and movements could win you fights over players way higher leveled than you, enough complained about this and gear expertise was implemented, which now meant almost all builds were made to one tap and skill based fighting went out the window, if they are not careful this will/is happening here right now

[remote yarrow]

If that hotfix includes cutting +damage rolls by 80% that will solve alot for me personally

[inner flume]

I was gonna wipe the server, until i got high. I was gonna buff the bard, until I got high. Now i'm boc lock, and I know why. (Why man?)

[shell flicker]

You lol, I read it as its a jerk thing to do 😂
I def don't see how seal clubbing would refer to that, but maybe yours is little and cute too

[worldly scaffold]

That would be fun until the thing dies and the 2 party's kill each other bc they don't know how to be civil

[digital dock]

I mean we are in early access and they are trying to gather data, why not baseline it for an entire week and remove all gear. It would be a better foundational data point to start from.

[warped raft]

i was gonna get up a sweep the tomb but, then i got high 🙂

[delicate solar]

Today's patch is not really a "hotfix", despite being named that. One, it took much more time than usual, and two, "hotfixes" usually aren't announced as something that "will definitely bring changes to the game direction".

[devout yacht]

okay so you take a weird saying and make it weirder? no wonder you use terminology like that, some deep seeded fantasy i guess lol anyway was just wondering why you would use that but you answered it

[twin spear]

i think hotfixes for ironmace implies balance changes where an actual patch implies content being added so yeah just a weird way to put it but just something to pay attention to with ironmace is all

[worldly scaffold]

I'm gonna hold my breath on it. It's probably a translation issue calling everything a hot fix opposed to a patch or major update. I simply don't have much confidence in the devs making things reasonable. They'd of done it by now

[midnight mantle]

You gotta love how communicative they have been about update schedules!

[devout yacht]

yea look, "clubbing the seal"
Verb. When a man strikes his erect p-nis repeatedly onto a woman's v*gina, focusing his strikes on her cl-toris. Also known as, "clubbing the baby seal."

It is a s*xual thing lmao you guys are so ignorant

[valid lily]

Bring back 1-15 lvl lobbies. Or allow me to go trade on lvl 5.

[vague flint]

I like how im lucker in the normal goblin caves getting blue stuff and things, while i used a big luck potion and went to HR goblin caves and got worse stuff

[deft perch]

When is the WIPE????? How long to wait

[remote yarrow]

lmao

[worldly scaffold]

That's an urban dictionary definition if I ever saw one

[dense grove]

Literally no one uses that term like that. Its usually refered to as cckslapping and any specific part slapped is just added on.

[severe cypress]

can you get named weapons from the skull key room in hr?

[terse nova]

Is it clerics turn to get nuked? Or all eyes on bard

[devout yacht]

not sure why people are mad about clubbing the baby seal, sounds enjoyable

[flat mountain]

btw wizard chat is spammable rn, no spam filter

[twin spear]

what do you mean

[delicate solar]

By that logic we should expect balance changes, but ones that would take a lot of time. That gives hope for another massive take on gear balancing like the one which got reverted after EA patch #1.

@worldly scaffold "they'd done it by now"? Like make everything reasonable in a complex system is an easy task )).

[worldly scaffold]

Idk man there's a lot of qol I've seen the players ask for repeatedly that shouldn't be that hard to implement and they've done nothing

[dense grove]

Does anyone even play bard anymore? I feel like I never see them and I used to play bard myself and quit,.

[obtuse thorn]

I love bard honestly. its my main. what time is patch?

[warm mountain]

When is wipe today what hour?

[valid lily]

Yes you can often see 50+ strength 180hp bards in normals.
Or got headshot by a drum for something like 100+ dmg in ruins

[sick depot]

“Often”. No you are not often seeing 50+ strength bards in normals lol.

[analog lily]

Dont be a b****, never seen one before, not common

[dense grove]

If the most prominent playstyle for bard is stacking str and throwing drums then the bard class isn't a bard class anymore. I played bard since release and fell in love with buffing/song stacking/constantly playing instruments and the recent nerfs have made those options improbable at best while not fixing the core issues associated with the class.

Tl;dr I feel like they removed a lot of the classes core identity

[valid lily]

Well ok 40+ often, 50 is the top. Did see like 4 of them yesterday. But it is pre wipe gear craze so...

[wise gyro]

its still op ye, picked it up recently, with blue/purp kit can have 150hp, 100 headshot with falchion - 120 hs crossbow

[delicate solar]

Let's wait a bit. Bard should get some love soon. IM are like that, nerf to the ground then slowly nurture up.

[terse nova]

I think if bard couldnt use crossbow he would be stone dead, I havent played it since tranq nerf

[cold reef]

Cleric and Bard are only strong in teams. In the current Range/Movement Speed meta, they are only just passable in Solo.

[sick depot]

40+ is still very rare. I’ve played bard a lot recently while trying out different comps and spent a lot of gold on bard gear. Agility is more important to the bard class once you get to 30+ strength anyways.

[obtuse thorn]

nerf earthquake. nerf ranger

[dense grove]

So can ranger and fighter? Both have better heals and skills. That doesn't make them more interesting or even really all that different from standard meta shit (ranger even does all of it better besides not offering buffs which tbh with a kit like that you really aren't buffing much)

[south flower]

add bunnyhopping it would make the game 200x better

[valid lily]

I feel like bard shouldn't hit for 100+ dmg and have as much health as barb. It should be a squishy support class if you ask me

[analog lily]

The funny thing is they nerfd its ability to support, so its less viable for it now, i main the bard and once you get a few buffs off its straight to dps

[shell flicker]

Wahahha, yea and you calling me weird... I didn't even call it seal clubbing, I just answered why some people do..
I'll stay ignorant so stop @ me

[dense grove]

I still have no idea why str is both the premier offense and defense stat. Its just really dumb and makes it uniquely one of the best general stats for no reason.
@valid lily I mean they took all the buff parts away unless you invest a ton of gear so no one wants to do that

@analog lily Imagine if instead of nerfing bard's actual identity they decided to nerf bard in other ways like damage xD

[pulsar galleon]

Can I get a karambit fade for my rogue

[grand kite]

I second this

[charred violet]

i hope a big nerf to cleric . god damn

[delicate solar]

Nah, cleric can bash solo pretty ok, at least in defense. True you won't be catching every foe, but you can survive many.

[sick depot]

Bards don’t have as much HP as barbs who actually have any gear. Nor do they hit as hard. Also a single ranger with any sort of +weapon dmg gear can absolutely annihilate a bard at range.

[terse nova]

equally chadded its just who can hit the shots really

[valid lily]

I would love it to have more and better buffs, that goes away once you kill him. Like glass canon, but for buffs.

[merry hornet]

Parrying drums with longsword and riposte on their face is fun

[dense grove]

This man has never seen a decent cleric with holy strike

@terse nova They have better reload speed more damage and a self heal. They should win that fight equal skill every single time (ranger vs bard both crossies or even bow vs crossy)

[analog lily]

You see, if they nerf stats they nerf the bards damage, they shouldnt have nerfed all of muh songs tho

[rustic socket]

i thought wipe was supposed to happen already

[dense grove]

Not to mention they removed the ability to take all the songs WITHOUT FIXING ANY OF THE OTHER SKILLS. double spellbook was the ONLY OPTION because the other skills are STRAIGHT TRASH.

[valid lily]

I would love if they decreased the gear gap. So BIS geared players wouldn't be like 3x as powerful in every stat as white/green timmies. Thou streamers would flip out again

[terse nova]

Some truth there for sure, but at mid skill often whoever gets the first good hit in can really set it up for a push or play, but ya i see what u mean

[worldly scaffold]

Imo to fix bard they should distribute the power amongst the instruments more and for you to pick 2. I don't think anyone was running lute with 2x song sheets. Ideally the instruments should be good enough to where you feel like you are actually missing out on something for not picking the instrument

[analog lily]

Yup, i run second spellbook even if i dont have the memory for the second one, because the other skills are so trash

[lilac plover]

any1 know the exact time of wipe? (EU)

[dense grove]

Redistributing songs would be good, but also more importantly tuning the songs so that each provides small but meaningful buffs would force you to play as quickly as efficiently as possible in order to make sure you keep your 4-5+ buffs up consistently.

Being a jack of all trades is good, they just can't let bard be better than any one specific buff focused build (can't be more powerful in the short term than cleric, provide more utility than wiz, etc)

[median grail]

since most of times it was around midnight, I'd say around 6h from now

[lilac plover]

TY

[earnest verge]

Do u guys think the update will take an extra 5 hours like last time

[pulsar galleon]

Depends on how much it changes and if something goes wrong with implementation like that one time

[narrow verge]

so is there a wipe today cuz i am not seeing anything about it

[tulip cipher]

yes

[analog lily]

No i feel like songs have a theme with their instruments, they should just add some useful songs to the lute, imagine like a loot song that lets you see portals through walls or something, i ran 3 instruments before the knowledge nerf, and i run 2 now unless i have insane spell memory, but ive never ran lute

[devout yacht]

you deleted your message that i originally replied to LOL

[pulsar galleon]

Who up darkin their darker rn

[limber badge]

My dark has never been darker

[pulsar galleon]

love that

[viral summit]

I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER

[maiden thistle]

check pinned messages in general

[earnest current]

Dev try to kill this game before fully release because Wipe , from 400k player down to 5k player that sick

[silk moat]

does anyone else not wipe until wipe happens for good luck

[upper temple]

donate your kits now

[twin spear]

#📢announcements message

[ember citrus]

do you guys think region locking china would solve a lot of problems (how in the fuck is that racist lol)

[chrome fog]

will never happen big dog bc that is literally racist and lawsuitable- move on

[dense grove]

Let us pray for bard buffs so I might follow you around and play my instrument

@cold reef I feel like whining about "whiners" (which are here as much as reddit from my experience), is just being a whiner.
Aww he deleted his message. Poor bby.

[viral summit]

IM NOT WHINING IM JUST EXCITED???

[delicate solar]

400k? Lol, I wish )).

[terse nova]

China is a Nation State

[gritty vale]

There should be an option where you can opt out of trade, way too many high tier gear sets being sold for rmb or duped sets going around

[cold reef]

Today will go as follows:
When is patch?
Hours pass.
Patch drops.
ThIs PaTcH sUcKs!
tHiS gAmE iS dEaD!

[charred violet]

They just have to block solding items from other countries . This will solve a lot of problem.

[viral summit]

F

[warped raft]

you forgot NERF ROGUE SOME MORE!!!!

[upper temple]

i gave away like 5 decent (full blue with purps with decent rolls) and like 3 cloaks yesterday

[earnest current]

season 4 i see more than 400k player , early access 250k after 2 wipe now 5k best way to kill good game

[chrome fog]

every early access survival game has had this problem - last oasis/hurtworld/atlas just to name a few, games that were actually super fun but most ppl never heard of them bc they died off due to a similar issue this game is facing. region locking isnt the answer, the answer is team growth and employees dedicated to watching the chat and banning them on the spot. that wont happen for a while but hopefully they do it. i know this isnt a survival game but the trend is the same

[dense grove]

Why you whining, go back to reddit please.

[delicate solar]

There never were such a player count, where did you take that from? Are you sure you didn't add an extra zero there?

[robust cradle]

He’s making fun of the usual spam on wipe day

[warped raft]

i was gonna say the highest i ever saw it was just under 100k

[dense grove]

I understand but given that his statement was deleted and then reposted I feel like he's really doing most of the whining.

[vague flint]

if anything, buff everyone

[earnest current]

you can easy see in gathering hall , player in dungeon , player in lobby . block , 2 wipe now all player drop and few player wait for new patch no one play im really get boring with this game now

[cold reef]

And buff ranged weapons and movement speed. 🤣 I honestly like where this game is going. I see the Devs putting out a lot of test patches to gather information. We just have to be patient.

[keen path]

could you please not release again the patch between 9 and 11 PM GMT+1 .... this is every time for the European to be in that patch evening schedule ...

[dense mauve]

I hope they nerf warlock. That’s all

[delicate solar]

I know where the counter is, what I don't know is how you were able to see 400000 players on it.

[robust cradle]

Give me my auction house, I want to see blues go for keys

[wise gyro]

nah cos i can stack lots of buffs on myself, have higher movespeed, atk spd, interact speed, weapon switching etc etc, all while being able to debuff my opponent so they die in 2 headshots rather than 3

[frigid ibex]

Please start updating the game at what time

[earnest current]

you can see the number all player in the game , how you dont know that , just log-in and try to see them in gathering hall , Game very very dead right now

[dense grove]

The damage buff you get is less than weapon damage being filtered through the ranger perks. The action speed is greater but considerably more limited than crossbow masters effect AND you can't heal 1/3rd your hp bar per ranger snack,.

Also any decent kit 1 taps (most classes) on crossbow headshots

[remote yarrow]

Usually in 2-4h from now

[delicate solar]

facepalm.jpg
I just told you I know that. And the game being dead hours before wipe is perfectly normal.

[frigid ibex]

Thanks

[patent saddle]

Player trading must be removed to make this game fun again.

[modest aurora]

agreed

[opaque pivot]

when is the wipe?

[timid ocean]

why

[earnest current]

they say 26 not 27 and they sillent now

[remote yarrow]

Today.

@earnest current 26th UTC. They still have Like 8h left

[gritty vale]

People selling high tier kits for rmb or real money, teaming, playing this game as a job, HR killing, regular lobby farming ect.

[timid ocean]

How does killing trading stop any of that?

[dense grove]

I feel like having a "found league" would at least let us test how popular an idea that is.

@loud bronze Makes all of that CONSIDERABLY harder. Can't trade gold for money or items for money nearly as easily.

[loud bronze]

None of these things will go away without tradeing

[frigid ibex]

After each update, there will always be a delay in opening the server

[earnest current]

the first wipe still see more than 100k player still stay , second wipe 40k player stick in the game , this wipe lest than 5k , is that normal to you , Dev try to kill this game and Nexon try this game on steam call greed is good

[remote yarrow]

EA never Had 100k Player. That was during playtesting. Around 45k was Peak

[delicate solar]

Ok. Imagine no ingame trading anymore. What's to stop ppl to continue trading for real money on third party site and then pick up the bought loot in game?

[dense grove]

dying in lobby

[eternal yarrow]

look at tarkov. tarkov has a smiliar system then people cheat to get their clients out of the lobby

[remote yarrow]

Nothing. Just a bit more risk involved but most likely insured by the service provider that guarantee delivery. Maybe a bit more expensive

[subtle heart]

bro honestly the devs didnt wipe and hotfix while i was in game so i can keep playing non stop!!!!??? i used to go to the bathroom but i cant miss them saying what time the wipe will be WHAT i didnt kill a whole team with one lunge this game is unbalanced going back to skylanders devs could takes notes i know more than everyone especially the devs i know way more me right me spend more time in discord than game but me know

[earnest current]

want to take risk when the game nearly dead

[gritty vale]

I would prefer an auction house where you can only bet with gold or other items. It will make it a lot more difficult to trade and sell gear, you would need to buy accounts or drop it in game which adds a lot of risk of being banned or killed. Right now the trade chat is a cancer, can barely sell good loot without waiting long periods of time for a buyer or seller and too much rmb/key selling.

[vapid lark]

It’s a hassle and u could also die so I guess but not rlly

[worldly scaffold]

I'd like a buyout feature bc I don't wanna wait like 8 hours for an item to expire so I can the bid

[remote yarrow]

I got an advice for you. Just leave the Server if you think its dead or dont enjoy it. Better for you and for us.

[delicate solar]

Jeez, you sound like a broken record.
#game-discussion message

[timid ocean]

rmb doesn't make your loot better or worse. Yes auction would be better, but if some loser wants to spend real money on a kit, who cares? You can still get it off them for free.

[modest aurora]

His issue is with people spending a week in trade chat buying all the B.I.S, yes its gonna exsist outside the game but just because that maybe true doesnt mean we should allow players to devalue the gameplay by allowing people to be 4x traders on DnD then seal club normal lobbys.

[wind pollen]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502581/ruins-hell-highroller-boss

[patent saddle]

you should be able to creep around and extract from 4 gobby caves then extract with enough gold to go buy basically full bis gear

[silk mango]

Lmfao all these people talking about the gear imba consistently, but the devs just dont care.

[pulsar pebble]

Oh god. The @utists are out early. Wipe isnt even for like 9 hours yet. Gonna be a long day in here

[worldly scaffold]

Broken record with bad English at that

[earnest current]

Keep wipe more and end this game , always post a Wipe up in random time they want to kick all player out , game need more stash.. No , Game need more loots in chest....No , Game need bug fix... No , Wipe... Yes

[gritty vale]

ANY trading with real currency in the trade shop should be punished. It's about integrity, they made this game to leave a pay to win scam company. If it becomes another one where you can just pay to get better gear than everyone else and you push out a large amount of the playerbase over time, whats the point?

[remote yarrow]

Bro you need some help. Maybe just take a break

[delicate solar]

The stash extension was CONFIRMED. Today. But how would you know that, the guy types, not reads.
@dense grove I'm ESL too, so what ))? Not an excuse for typing before reading.

[dense grove]

He's def ESL don't be too hard on him.

[worldly scaffold]

Issue is people are selling the gear for real money... Hell id do it if it were a good side hustle myself. People are also willing to buy it with real money I don't think you can stop players from doing this. Game only becomes p2w if I can go to the in game store and buy it

[pulsar pebble]

I actually sorta wish they wouldnt extend stashes i dont think people need to hold 200k gold on a single toon or like 20 sets of gear. I think it leans into the hyper try hard attitude that is poorly suited for this game lol. This aint tarkov, your not mining bitco!ns for 9 months for a wipe to help fund your 3m loadouts every round on labs lol

[mental viper]

gg wipe this fucking game idiots

[gritty vale]

Issue is how easy it is right now, if they had to risk the transaction or an entire account to make 4rmb they wouldn't do it nearly as often, the cost for an account is far more than a unique.

[dense grove]

I want a bigger stash for my shit sets so I don't hasve to dedicate so much space to them and not be able to hold up other stuff.

[narrow verge]

damn I am blind thanks man

[worldly scaffold]

It just becomes a more private matter and happens in the back ground I think it's foolish to buy bis gear w/ money in game that one DC/rubber banding incident causes you to lose the gear. Let alone when the gear wipes

[hushed carbon]

How bout something between 3 sets and 20 sets?

[pulsar pebble]

It gets so messy though. Lol. Its already so stupid people have created a fake currency using an in game item with no real value. 🤣

@hushed carbon current stash would be fine if coin purses held like 25 coins instead of 10. Purses take up like 40% of my stash at least lol

[livid shadow]

If you're able to store more gear in your inventory, it could possible help with them thinking about auction house ideas... who knows what the dev's are thinking

[empty sigil]

I think you should find different genre of game honestly.

[timid ocean]

Theres literally no reason at all to ban cash buying kits. It kinda sucks but honestly who even cares? Integrity has nothing to do with anything. Such a small amount of people will buy it will have no real effect on the game, because their is not nearly enough gear worth paying for in the market

[hushed carbon]

So 3 stashed sets is the correct number of sets we should be able to have on our characters?

Are you also content with the time it takes to sell gear in between matches because you have no stash space? I find it to be an interruptive process when I'm trying to game with friends and every game I have to take 10 minutes in between matches to sell things that I picked up.

[timid field]

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[gritty vale]

Idk man, its super frustrating, these hackers, the teaming, the lobby farming, the rmb selling, the ddosing. Feels like the games got something terminal and its on life support at times. I just want to play and not spend 10 minutes in a chat where everything costs money, or a play a game withing being disconnected.

[livid shadow]

Think bigger mate, they know about the current issues with the storm being to fast, to much time spent out of the dungeon, lets give it time.

[pulsar pebble]

Why would you assume more stash space would reduce the wait between rounds? Whats the difference if you have 100 inventory spaces full or 300? Bruh. Are you making the claim youd leave spaces open for trader selling? I think not

[empty sigil]

The effect is that you get exploiters,cheaters who farm the gold that spoil the lobby experience for people qued with them.

[worthy abyss]

Dude it just annoys me so much when i get home thatd when the games gonna go down wnd we not gonna be able to play and wait for the update

[hushed carbon]

What is the optimal number of backup sets you should be able to have stashed in your opinion?

[delicate solar]

"the devs just dont care".
Bet you didn't bother to open Q&A a single time. Somehow the more a person here tells about what the devs care about the less he actually checked what they have to say about that.

[worldly scaffold]

I agree I'm the same way regarding gold buying etc. It doesn't matter bc someone got the gear in the first place and someone just buys it whether it's the seller or the buyer odds are they are going geared into normal lobbies.