game-discussion

[prime needle]

go outside once in a while buttercup

[smoky tendon]

They gotta add a torch that isn’t able to be picked up at least for like 10 seconds or something

[cold talon]

I’ve been killed at least 10 times already by people with +25 magic or weapon damage today

[frank delta]

This game is deadly, you will die, a lot. Choose your battles, don't rush into rooms, play your strengths.

[modest canyon]

is it possible that other players are the ones causing inventory reset bugs? ive killed a couple juicers and then have no loot from the last raid in my inv when i escape and it just seems a bit strange

[fluid kelp]

Oh yes, I do think that +additional magic and physical needs to be nerfed. Wizard should be the next target of nerfs but I don't feel like I fight them as often as I fight rangers, fighters, and barbarians. Or rogues and fighters for high roller

[whole moss]

no problem this is what text is for, leave a message for someone to read later. On your answer I can't find anything to disagree, very true, people tended to run scuffed purple in normal lobbies, the minmaxing has definitively gone up in the sense of certain modifiers being garbage and some SSS+. BUT you can find purple in the dungeon, I think the point of this patch is incentivize people to go down in RedPortals and rush the PointOfInterest on the map before the reds appear. I think purple should have better "maximum" rolls to make them extra powerful. And legendaries should be fixed same stats, thus making fulldeckeed legendary all about skill and not gear diff

[half frigate]

You can say I’m nitpicking all you want, I played well over 4 hours last night and it was every game. Not an over exaggeration. Just the truth and almost every time it was the same comp. I’m not nitpicking I’m simply explaining that as a fact. Without purples in normal lobbies people are going to continue to run Bis or almost bis blues with basically no consequences

[sonic solstice]

the server lag is fucked

[lofty arch]

Not everybody's running buffball lol. You're definitely overexaggerating and this is from someone who runs 2-3s all day. The only thing I noticed is that sellables are maybe slightly harder to find but it doesn't take any time at all to find an inventory full of sellables/sellable gear. I have three characters reserved for a stash-full of gold and strong blue gear pieces. I find maybe one buffball comp every 5 matches or so and it's because you need decent gear to pull it off.
I have a feeling I'm right when I say there's a very small difference since the patch notes say:
"

• Slightly lowered the drop rate for Trinkets and Treasures from Chests.
• Very slightly lowered the drop rates for Armor and Weapons from the high grade chests (Ornate, Lion’s Head, Golden, Marvelous).
  "

[spare elbow]

Just to clarify did you run a lot of Hr or normal? I ran all normal and the lobbies were pretty darn chill. Maybe one great gear team each match but overall more chill than before for sure at least with my small sample size playing on NA servers

[vapid oyster]

#game-discussion message kek

[willow pecan]

WTF DID YALL DO TO MY AUDIO FILES FOR GAME

[half frigate]

I ran normals almost exclusively last night
@lofty arch yeah they can say that but what % did they actually lower it? Because until you can show me that we don’t know how much “slightly lower” is

[whole moss]

maybe you just play a bit aggressive? you paying solo? It's normal to get rolled by a team of 3. If you pick a fight you should expect to punish the weak link at best and If a miracle happens maybe you win. Perfect rolls on blue can still be punished, fights feel much less to be predetermined before the fight even began that's what people mostly feel

edit: also not everyone has that good gear, I'm actually contempt* with running scuffed gear and winning some fights. Slowly building a perfect gear for THAT run where I try to kill the redportal mob with my friends. new gear limitation brought back a lot of casuals like me that were getting stomped by purple-gold geared people in Goblin Caves

[lofty arch]

Yeah and I play 8+ hours everyday. I'm burning all my time on this game so it's easy to tell what changes they've made. I'm pretty sure you just need to recognize lootrooms, do bosses, loot around hell in normals, and learn to fight players for the BiS blue pieces you're looking for. Even with BiS blues being a thing, it's fairly easy to outplay in normals when the cap is blue.

[echo plume]

Eldritch Shield is now practically useless at 25 for 15 seconds given that it costs health to use - better off just doing damage instead

[fair marlin]

you clearly never did eldritch shield barbarian chain lightning

[compact mantle]

100%. Not to mention that it's pretty easy to fight BiS blue with BiS green. The difference between the two is pretty small, which makes the fights a lot more about actual skill and movement than just flat out stat-checks.

[whole moss]

This and the comment under it
@last oriole what do you mean by junk items? like golden pouches?

[last oriole]

how do I trash junk items in my inventory?

[half frigate]

If y’all think that bis blues are easier to beat than non bis purples and that zero to hero and loot runs haven’t been heavily nerfed then honestly y’all haven’t played this game in both casual or competitive settings. I’m a casual player and having to constantly go against bud blue teams by people who play this game “8 hours a day” honestly have no right to talk about how it’s so easy to get loot when you probably put in 15-20 more games than the average player a day. The game was better pre patch 💁‍♂️ yes new players getting stomped needed to be addressed but do that by giving them a week of queueing with only people who have bought the game in the last week

[gritty flume]

Devs should focus on ai fixes for a patch or two. Skull bats shouldn't fly through you and get you stuck. Ranged mobs should have a melee attack so they're not disgustingly busted at close range where they're supposed to be weakest, infinite turn speed headshot-aimbotting. Wraith shouldn't slow you by 60+% or sometimes fly through you. Spiders shouldn't be able to suspend you in mid air guaranteeing your death. Mobs shouldn't just wait for you to come out of invis if you hid out of line of sight, still knowing where you are. Mobs shouldn't just WAIT at the door when you close one on it. Crossbowmen ABSOLUTELY should not do 50 ish damage if they're going to aimbot your skull literally every time, ESPECIALLY if the servers are bad to the point where you'll lag back into it, taking guaranteed SEVENTY FIVE damage. I die to stupid, nonsensical pve interactions ALL the time. It is actually unbearable

[last oriole]

I mean junk gear/arrows and stuff. I can't stash it, and can't remove it from my inventory unless im in game. Is there a trash button

[compact mantle]

Just sell it. It's your starting gear or someone elses starting gear most likely. SEll it to weaponsmith or any other trader. We don't have a discard option yet.

[whole moss]

no not yet, some npc will still buy arrows just for 0, the gold pouches are currently a problem being "legendary tier" and not being bought by npcs.
also answering to ExScaliba, queues are at MAX 120seconds, generally around 20s. I'm sure most people can agree with me on this Maybe don't play in AntarticaQueue 💁‍♂️

[last oriole]

If it sells for 0 coins anyways I feel it would save time and headache for a discard option. Hopefully one gets put in

[true plume]

i think its just u m8

[half frigate]

You miss understood what I was saying, I’m saying instead of a 15 and under queue that should have done a timed queue for new player to play strictly other new players. Let none new players play the game with no restrictions

[last oriole]

Anyone know why solo goblin caves Im getting a "remove anything above rare" message? Im a beginner and only have 1 blue neck item and below. Is it a bug? I don't have a coin pouch either

[lofty arch]

Nobody's saying bis blues are easier to beat than non bis purples so not sure where you're getting that from. I played the game both casually and competitively and you've got no clue what you're saying man. Queueing new players with people who only bought the game in the last week is a terrible idea lol. Unless you're dealing with an insanely high player base that isn't inevitably going to decline you're just signing people up for a boring and dead experience. Learn how to outplay and learn how to loot properly.

[whole moss]

but that's not possible, you overestimate the playerbase amount, and you still don't adress smurfing problems, this game has a very hard learning curve, and it certainly doesn't hold you by hand and tell you how to dodge ZwheiSkelly. Also theres no queue anymore, 100% mixed playerbase based on gear limit

[buoyant flicker]

U r legendary I love u

[spare elbow]

Having a 20 or 40 hr play time closed que for new accounts would be fine, even if their lobbies were empty being able to learn pve for a few hours would immensely help new players

[lofty arch]

Until those players who bought the game are given the wrong impression of the game and might possibly think the game's dead

[half frigate]

all i am hearing from you is that oh i couldnt handle normals how it was when everyone could bring in everything. so the limit to blue to incentive players to bring in better stated blue gear is better.
@whole moss either this game is going to hand hold or its not. it needs to choose, if its not going to hand hold then it needs to go back to the way it was pre patch with the loot limits, not necessarily the drop rates the just the gear limits

[dense grove]

This is a problem fixed with an announcement and maybe a slightly shorter window or a window based on number of games not time

[last oriole]

I had arrows and no bow and I think that's what bugged it

[rare venture]

Matches are fantastic right now, 3v3s are actually fun because while someone might build a whole set of weapon damage, they can't also have insane defensive stats etc.. with less possible stats you have less Supermen walking around. Even fights we lose no longer feel helpless. Step in the right direction.

[lofty arch]

You're definitely not hearing that from me cause I didn't say anything like that. Again not sure what you're even saying LOL. I actually really enjoyed last patch because I was running purples every match without a care in the world of losing my gear. What I'm trying to tell you is that you're complaining for the wrong reasons and the game isn't the issue. You're complaining about not finding BiS blues in 4 hours time when you're probably skipping the best loot rooms and hell. You say every game is running BiS buffball but everyone knows that's not true. Stop overexaggerating and learn to play

[whole moss]

it's not going to hold your hand as you play, but its going to hold your hand back when you intend to bring legendary or purple gear that visibly don't belong with un-geared people, they are most likely working on how powerful some modifiers and gear can be depending on it's rarity but they wanted to implement a band-aid fix for now because people were getting pushed out, player base was slowly dropping, this new patch really brough people back. instead of complaining about what they did, why don't you propose a different alternative instead of saying work harder?

[dense grove]

You're dichotomizing a sliding scale. There are more options than yes and no. Why have a hud that states your hp you should know your hp or open your inventory to see it. Why give weapon stats? Use the scarevrow to figure it out or just feel it out. Prevent classes from using weapons? Just make them do 1 damage if it's not the right weapon for your class and don't explain why

[graceful storm]

Have the LR lobbies been less sweaty with the sweats wearing blues instead of blues?

[novel plover]

a fking skeleton axe man killed me from inside the room when i was outside how have they not fixed this stupid bug its so annoying

[whole moss]

depends on who you're asking people are now complaining about perfect rolled blues as their new scapegoat, but yes personally it feels better. Not less sweaty, you can still pinpoint the sweaty players but at least you stand a better chance at punishing them if you play well

[dense grove]

Your PFP is giving me Vietnam flashbacks

[rare venture]

This.

[midnight mantle]

Everyone can make the same repetitive arguments for why their changes are fine. You cannot argue with the numbers. When loot was tweaked and significantly higher, they had 19k players in dungeon consistently. They now have 11-12k daily. On FRIDAY AND SATURDAY RESPECTIVELY. The changes they are making are objectively bad for the game, wake up.

[zinc gulch]

fix the chinese cheater problem I go high roller they use esp, i go normals and they use range hacks cool stuff dying game

[novel plover]

a year old bug kills me and my friend in the same game i get the whole EA thing but these bugs have been around for months and months

[whole moss]

Just curious cuz i'm not throwing numbers around just a general personal feeling but where are you getting these numbers from? I tried looking it up and didnt find any reliable source?

edit: also a good 5 of my friends didn't know about this patch and are only coming back this weekend because I told them about it, and also rust wipes took their time away for now. Just saying mouth to ears does a lot, some people left the game and got no notice it changed it simply left their mind

[midnight mantle]

Ingame click player list and you can see how many are in dungeon and Lobby. Last week before the loot changes to make them worse we had 19k in dungeon at peak hours every day DURING the week. It’s not consistently 11-12k

Your anecdotal evidence of your friends doesn’t indicate anything. Most people have quit and won’t come back until GOOD changes are implemented and are well aware of this new dogwater update.

[runic stone]

People need to get rid of their gear fear

[primal oasis]

w update really. now crossbows are undodgable due to lag. great changes

[whole moss]

Alright, It'd be nice to have a tracker of this on a website page and track it overtime. Tyvm for your answer

My anecdotal evidence is what it is. just another stone in the pile we are making, I'm coming back because I liked the last patch, I play a lot more because I like the last patch. I see why you trust data, but dismissing opinions to follow numbers is foolish. Look at this discord's opinion on the matter, which is only anecdotal evidence, I see more people agreeing it's more fun. And the people complaining argument is solely based on "modifiers bonus" and number regarding the latest patch. Which btw is quite new you can't really rely on numbers about it yet

[midnight mantle]

No problem dude. And yeah I agree. Pretty easy to track manually though if you just check each day during peak hours

[half frigate]

btw just so you are aware 1 game, died to bis buff ball just now. not an exageration literally just fact at this point

[whole moss]

fac and points about nothing, i dont have his Gearscore in my face or yours and I don't really care I'm not a dev, this is your opinion. a guy said he got 1shot by a guy with a grey starter bow earlier, his anectode his factually false, but I get why he might have felt like he had no chance against a ranger if he was a low level fighter now matter the gear

[lime fractal]

can someone explain why everyone (not just rangers) look me dead in the face and attack me while I'm invisible. Mind you I've been invisible for a good few seconds and they look RIGHT at me like I'm standing there with a flashlight in their eyes.

[midnight mantle]

Well yeah a full BIS blue set only costs like 3k gold and now you just get to steamroll lobbies indefinitely

[lofty arch]

Are you walking while invis? Are you swapping weapons in invis? If you popped invis right when you saw them it’s easy to see the white outline/smoke that appears on you

[whole moss]

mightbe a bug or in worse case a cheater, but sometimes people do be soundwh*res and have insane good 7.1Surround and know where your footsteps stopped and try their luck
im a culprit of such practice, me like a good surround sound

[zinc gulch]

everyone is running full bis blue so its fair fight for everyone except timmies

[mystic yarrow]

Is the tooltip for 'Locusts Swarm' on Cleric wrong? Says 2 damage per 0.1 seconds but the wiki says 2 damage over 1 second, for 8 seconds

[lime fractal]

no, I'm usually using Invis pots so I can't do anything or I'll cancel it. It's actually less prominent when I play rogue. Like so I assume it's something about the pots themselves

[midnight mantle]

Ttk is too low in full blues with all the flat additional damage modifiers that exist in this game. If you AREN’T a Timmy you know what I’m saying is true so why are we arguing? Full BIS blue teams stomp non BIS blue teams and BIS blue vs BIS blue TTK is insanely fast. Horrible game state I don’t want to destroy timmies AND the only good teams we face simply because we’re running meta comp.

[mystic yarrow]

While I agree the TTK in full BiS blues is too damn fast, it's a lot better than seeing full purples/uniques, as we saw from the previous hotfix, they will be removing Weapon Damage/Additiona Phys on everything but weapons/shields/lanterns, and all attributes will only be an affix on amulets

[cosmic lava]

Wait, you're drinking an invis potion and a few seconds later someone is coming in and you don't understand how they know you're there?

They can hear you drink the potion -> Huh a guy just drank a potion in this corner but the room is empty -> It was an invis potion and he can't move

[lofty arch]

Well that’s probably the reason. Drinking invis pots is hard because of the noise it makes.

[dense grove]

What he's not covering is that he's assuming a causation without relevant proof. This patch happened and this weekend has less players may be facts but there is nothing directly linking them without longer term data collection and the ability to remove other factors

[rich owl]

That's trash itemization and it will only benefits those with high dps by default.

[whole moss]

Gold answer hahaha

[midnight mantle]

? Are you daft? They increased the quality of loot and for 4 days during the normal workweek had 19k consistently. And then they made the recent changes and have not once broken above 13k since then.

[mystic yarrow]

Well, that's the whole point of 'balance', they have the data, they have their intended item balances coming up, then they will review what needs touching upon and work from there...

[limber badge]

lmao ran into a fighter with 68.7% PDR in blues, how could timmies even compete

[dense grove]

You're welcome to say that as much as you'd like but there's a similar correlation between average happiness and cigarettes being properly labeled with cancer warnings. Since that's happened human happiness measured via poll has gone down. Are they related?

TLDR; correlation is not causation if you want to prove a point temporary player data isn't enough you have to remove variables

[rich owl]

They never said they were going to makes changes as you mentioned besides the hotfix 15 patch which was changed in just a couple of days with a better patch. They can still tune some modifiers but making gear less relevant defies the purpose of this game. @limber badge you bring a wizard, cleric or a warlock to them and they just die.

[velvet finch]

High Risk is a failed concept. Scratch it and add deep progression elements for end game like questing, crafting, long delve raids, etc. The desire of the devs to get skilled players out of normal and into HR is going to destroy the game.

[midnight mantle]

Dawg you are the reason why game companies make changes, pretend everything is fine, the community rallies behind them, and then the game dies. Happens with countless games. There is a correlation between the players playing daily and the changes they make. You’re trying to sound pedantic and intelligent but really you are just playing mental gymnastics.

[mystic yarrow]

It was only changed due to the backlash it received frorm peoples gear sets being ruined, they certainly will be making those changes to which affixes will appear on what gear on the wipe as they had mentioned on hotfix 16. Whether they keep Weapon Damage on weapons/shields only and all attrirbutes on the shadow mask implicit and amulets only, I obviously cannot say, but those affix changes are coming whether you wish to believe in my words or not /shrug

[dense grove]

I mean I work on a successful mod team for mw5, you're welcome to play merctech+piratetech sometime and see some of my work.

Secondly you missed the point so hard you agreed with me on accident. Yes there is correlation we agree.

Edit: you don't sound pedantic on purpose. Pedantic is an insult and you used it wrong.

[midnight mantle]

Mod team for mw5? Are you bragging about that or something? Yikes!

[plain marsh]

All the bard crying is hilarious right now. Literally a broken class gets a nerf and all the timmies that used it as a crutch are getting exposed

[lime fractal]

Then I wanna know what kinda settings or hardware they have because never once have I been able to hear someone pop a potion that was more than 3 steps away.

[dense grove]

Do you do any dev work? At all? It's less of a brag and more that I have actual relevant experience and you seem to be an armchair general? If you'd like I'd love to try something you've worked on and see your skills? Also by mod team I don't mean moderation I mean I worked on a mod for that game.

TLDR; you can literally see how I balance weapons and interactions, and also how pretty my vfx are!

[rich owl]

I don't mind any changes since i will still be winning most of my matches but, and once again, they never mentioned they were going to stick to hotfix 15 itemization and i doubt the backlash from the community would have had any impact over the patches since the community mostly complains about any single patch. But if they proceed they will notice the only complains (as it happened after hotfix 15) would be for the bad itemization and providing 0 motivation on the grind since gear itself sucks.

[mystic yarrow]

It was only ever so slightly nerfed requiring a total of 3 more knowledge, otherrwise it got a large buff on the duration of it's team buffs, not sure what there is to cry about

[desert cosmos]

can we stop nerfing bard? I used to main bard but lately i dont understand how any of this is broken. the movement speed is only 9, which frankly is the equivilant of being glitched so whats the point?

[plain marsh]

Bard mains built different. And not in a good way lol. Literally everyone crying about it is struggling to not die to pve as the class with the strongest base kit in regards to pve

@desert cosmos skill issue.

[velvet finch]

Give bard healing the ability to work while moving again but keep it at +2... Then I'd consider playing it again.

[dense grove]

My issue with the bard nerfs is I feel like they've taken the fun out of being a bard. Like I miss running around playing tons of different songs but that's no longer possible and it's stripped the identity. I'd rather each song be weaker but be able to play more variety than whatever the heck they're doing so far

[midnight mantle]

Bro you are irrelevant in the gaming industry, as am I. I am a consumer watching the product I purchased lose its daily player count. You are talking about a mod team for a reboot of a game that has a significantly lower player count than this game. Your game you work on is 100% irrelevant to me and almost every single human in the world. Stop overplaying your importance or understanding just because you’ve done something irrelevant.

[cosmic lava]

I have my audio set to like 10% and i can hear people drink potions from outside a room..... absolutely close enough to walk to them in "a few seconds"

Do you play without headphones?

Playing over monitor speakers is very different

[mystic yarrow]

"Additionally, with Hotfix #15, we were so focused on not having to worry about legacy items that we made the mistake of making drastic balance changes that wasted players' time and effort. I am really sorry about this oversight. To apologize and give back to our player base for their hard work, we will be taking this opportunity to roll back the balance changes to a slightly altered level at Hotfix #14. This should bring all items back to their original state as of October 5th.

We will take this time to fine tune our upcoming balance patch even more.
We will test our intended balance during the next Wipe after the new leaderboard season to avoid inconvenience to existing players."

This was a big issue that goes directly against what you had just stated about the devs not listening to everyones backlash and complaints with their gear being drastically changed mid-season (before wipe). Once again, they may not keep those exact changes as I've singled out (not to mention the plethora of other affix changes) but those werer the most significant ones that prevents 'Additional Damage' stacking to be able to 2-3 shot a player in equal armour but not BiS affixes..

[dense grove]

Ah so you have no idea how code works, you clearly have no idea what the phrase correlation is not causation even means, and honestly I'm kind of worried you don't know what those words mean alone. What you're saying is you're looking at numbers change and hypothesizing. Which is fine. I'm just saying that others should take what you say with a grain of salt because you don't have evidence for causation only correlation.

@spare elbow EXACTLY
THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS RELATED TO THIS YOU CANT JUST SAY IT WAS THIS HOT FIX

[spare elbow]

Player count always spikes beginning of wipe and slowly drops off to a more stable number after a few weeks. This exact cycle played out the last few wipes, only difference is i think its holding players a bit better this wipe

@dense grove 💯

[lofty arch]

The game is fairly quiet in general. Unless you’ve got some $10 earbuds on and 15/100 volume you should be able to hear someone pop a potion. If I’m in front of a door and you’re on the other side popping an invis it will rarely work. Try rogue

[velvet finch]

Player population will continue to drop until the next big content update. Game is stale as fuck. Needs end game goals and progression that are not HR related or dumb leaderboards.

[desert cosmos]

oh i am NOT complaining about pve. I am strictly complaining about pvp. id agree to bard having some weak buffs and weak spells, but why the hell does a bit of armor cost as much as hellfire now? Its not a skill issue, its a class issue. Bard is undisputedly worse than any other class

[oak juniper]

wtf, just realized that gold coin purse cannot be taken into normal dungs XD

[spare elbow]

Normal dungs 💩

[rich owl]

Brother.. they are saying it right there. They will fine tune the upcoming balance patch after wipe not that they will go back to hotfix 15 itemization.

[dense grove]

I literally just said "take this with a grain of salt he hasn't proven causation" and this dude takes that as a challenge. My man just take your L and go it wasn't even that bad. You had a thought and that's fine there's just no legitimate evidence for it 🤣

[mystic yarrow]

Fine-tune, yes, slight alterations, not vastly different alterations 'brother', but I'll be happy when I see the changes arer exactly as I mentioned.

[velvet finch]

I don't find PvP anymore with the last few hot fixes. Goblin caves is just a PvE snooze fest since like 7 portals and 1 stair so everyone can get out. And mob density makes it so you can't just scoot through the dungeon to seek PvP. Boringggggggg.

[spare elbow]

100 other jokers have been saying the exact same thing in the weeks following wipes but even when player count bottoms out its a great number for a niche game that is not on steam

[rich owl]

I will end my comment with this. They never stated they were going to go from hotfix 15 patch and fine tune from there. They just mentioned they were going to fine tune the upcoming balance patch period. Whatever happens they will figure it out sooner or later what they need to do regardless of backlashes or not.

[midnight mantle]

For sure dude, the numbers just dropped in the span of 2 days last week randomly, not because of them reverting a good change. Clearly you haven’t watched the metrics ingame at all or you wouldn’t be saying this. My understanding of coding is IRRELEVANT here you are just trying to brag about something irrelevant so you feel more relevant in your own life. Weird.

[dense grove]

We are definitely not in the same gobbi caves but I can see how the caves do tend to err towards pve over pvp.

@midnight mantle yep you've proven correlation I'm proud of you.

[velvet finch]

Riots MMO is being announced in two weeks with a release date next year. DaD is yesterday news bebe.

[drifting comet]

Stop allowing traded items into normals

[knotty basin]

No

[lofty arch]

Is that confirmed? I’m pretty sure it’s still years away… there’s speculation it still needs several years since they’re still hiring senior devs for the early stages of the game.

[main raven]

Oh wow, so this game is just completely unplayable in trios now

[midnight mantle]

Nice time to get ready for a game with a real dev team

[lime fractal]

At some point I have a diminishing threshold and I can barely make out noises at all. If I can hear a noise I can't always discern a direction and certainly not that precise. as for my hardware. They were a gift after my last set stopped working. In my settings my headphones are called V07, but I have no idea who made them. I've had these a while so I might just get a new set.

[knotty basin]

Its fine? Whats the issue?

[spare elbow]

I googled V7 headphones and they are 20$ on amazon, so probably pretty terrible quality audio

[lofty arch]

Might be hardware then. I personally also use software called Dolby Atmos which helps with 3D sound

[main raven]

Every single team we run into is full-stacked BiS blues. Good to see that "gear-based matchmaking" working as intended when the insane attributes and trading both still exist

[dense grove]

Ew. Riot games. Hard sell on that alone.

[warm wolf]

What does BiS stand for?

[sturdy tinsel]

Guys you cant go into solos in blue gear anymore?

[knotty basin]

Bis blues arent that hard to kill my man get a half decent green set for 400g and you can take them down with ease. If not base kits should also be able to take down someone with pretty decent blues as long as its not a full damage reduction fighter. Be glad their giving you a chance to take their shit

[maiden bough]

Make gold coin purses vendor-able. Cant even drop them in normal runs anymore.

[rapid vapor]

There is a max hearing distance where sounds cut out entirely. Ranger even has a perk to increase that threshold

[drifting comet]

Why are you lying?

[spare elbow]

Early LoL was pretty good before they added 300,000 different champions to choose from 😂.

[lofty arch]

He’s not 🙂

[main raven]

We were running either triple Ranger OR Wizard/dual Ranger, and we end up losing to pretty much every single team

[dense grove]

Hmmm I wonder why you might be losing with zero Frontline

I think that this person is either trolling or very new to the game

[bleak echo]

Not surprised with that comp tbh

[knotty basin]

Where is the lie? That question is kinda ambiguous. @main raven thats your issue. You have no front line, when someone with a team comp rushes you and all 3 of your players die to 2 swings thats kinda on you, play a barb or fighter or some shit

[full jewel]

So you are trying to cheese and are losing? Good. 😛

[lofty arch]

Triple ranger works very well for me but you need good positioning

[main raven]

We aren't dying from getting rushed; we literally just get shot to death even with all our ranged shit and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

@full jewel Because Barb buffball definitely isn't cheesing, right?

[rapid vapor]

It stands for Best in Slot. An ARPG term to mean your gear cannot be any better than what you have in that slot. Though in this game it's been watered down to mean little to no dead stats on a piece of gear

[dense grove]

The cheese strat worked a lot better before the slow nerfs to bows. Thank God for those.

@main raven idk what to tell you man. I beat rangers with a hand crossy as rogue half the time

[bleak echo]

Sounds like an aiming issue then

[warm wolf]

thank you broski

[knotty basin]

“Shot to death” as i said you have no front line, run someone who can shield or get your boy to put on pavise honestly, you can counter what your issues are you just gotta use your brain. This one is a skill diff

[spare elbow]

Your comp is very situational and it takes way longer for you to all gear up since youre fighting over the same gear. There is a big benefit to having 3 classes that share almost no gear demand especially doing 0-hero runs, because you all gear up way faster especially thru hell

[full jewel]

I didn't say it wasn't, but triple ranger is worse, imo

[lofty arch]

Unless you’re going against another 3-man ranger team then I think the issue is your team if you’re losing a 3v1 ranged battle as triple ranger

[earnest current]

Devs dont know what Gear score mean , Blue sure better than few purple gear and now all normal full blue +3 and Bard sure got buff not neft

[rapid vapor]

It was a little irksome to see Graysun say Purple BiS is only 33% better than blue. As if those levels of differences aren't meaningful

[dense grove]

33% more stats is wacky

[knotty basin]

Would you also cry when you die to a full green team, if they lower the gear score again of course

[main raven]

It's harder to gear? We all just ran 14-dollar Crossbows lol

@knotty basin Probably, when +3 Weapon Damage still exists

[dense grove]

Idk what they're talking about the solution they should actually look at is way more complicated than gear gating. Gating is too heavy handed and not really going to fix the problem unless you chop up queues and increase queue times which just makes the game worse. The better method is to intelligently control player distribution based entirely on stats not rarity of gear.

@proud aspen personal attacks aren't helpful and are kind of dumb and garbage my guy

[spare elbow]

Lets assume in a single run you get a pair of gloves, pants, boots all with plus weapon damage. Your options are one of your teammates gets stacked damage while the rest of you get almost nothing benefitial, or you split it up and you all get marginally more damage.

Alternatively if you have 3 classes who all want different types of gear benefits, you all couldve collected 3 or more good gear peices to upgrade yourself. Your benefit as a team is 3 times ish better than running all 3 the same class…

[knotty basin]

But… you can also get +weapon damage. Also wtf do you think you are going to accomplish with just grey crossbows? My man youre swinging at ghosts, like???

[main raven]

So far, the only answer I've heard is running a kit that costs at least 400 dollars, and I don't currently have that much cash on my Ranger or Wizard.

So basically, I have to farm Goblin Caves solo to even play the Trio mode. That's fantastic game design and definitely not complete BS.

[fresh atlas]

DaD is generally far too reliant on having good gear

[bleak echo]

You honestly just sound bad at the game go give COD a try

[dense grove]

I could buy y'all a few kits but I don't think it would actually help....

[spare elbow]

No just dont go all 3 same class, try to build a team with some synergy and you should have more success. Especially if your goal is gearing up with basic runs, having 3 of the same class is awful. Having 3 of the same class leaves you vunerable to more counterplay while your options are more limited

[knotty basin]

Run a normal comp > get gold and or use some skill to murder someone and take their shit > buy gear > run games to get more gold. Rinse repeat. My man……

[zinc gulch]

hard to outskill someone who does 3x ur damage

[spare elbow]

Dude totally ignored everyone telling him to change his team comp too. Clearly just doesn’t want help 💀

[dense grove]

The only class you should be running in triplicate is warlock so you can suck each other off

Clearly some people have no idea what a joke about bjs looks like.

[midnight mantle]

Your lack of game knowledge is showing again. Triple rogue triple ranger triple wizard are all viable.

[bleak echo]

Viable if your good at the game

[oak juniper]

Do you get xp from the loot value you extract with?

[knotty basin]

He can use traps,setup in rooms, use invis pots, play highground(hes running wizard&double ranger after all), you can def do it. Its not the blue teams fault they want to risk their decent kits. This is a get gud angle

[dense grove]

Triple warlock is viable if at least one of you swallows. No other requirements necessary.

@spare elbow do you think I made the joke obvious enough this time or do you think it'll sail over their heads again?

[mystic agate]

Why am I randomly getting 5 fps this update? 3080ti

[spare elbow]

Most people take everything too seriously here

[main raven]

Thank god someone said this shit

[worthy escarp]

Can someone please tell me what causes the weapon swing bug? Actually tilting losing fights because of it.

I'm talking specifically of when you cast a spell and then your character starts nonstop swinging their weapon (without touching any buttons) and it doesn't stop no matter what you do until you open your inventory and wait for it to stop only for it to start again next time you cast a spell.

[spare elbow]

If its viable and you’re getting stomped, then you’re just admitting you’re too bad to use it well? No offense…

[dense grove]

You should probably check the context for that since he was only trying to gotcha me because I proved him wrong earlier as opposed to support you. He also did it to my joke about warlocks sucking each other off which is a bad look 🤣🤣

@worthy escarp idk what causes it but I usually fix it by swinging the weapon on purpose. It's faster than the inv thing

[mystic agate]

anyone else?!? Me and my friend both getting fucking mega lag 5 FPS

[main raven]

I don't care about sweating at this damn game anymore. I'm already playing another game and won't be coming back until this shit gets fixed

[worthy escarp]

I'll give that a shot next time it happens. Literally kills me more than anything in this game cause it disables my other actions lol

[bleak echo]

Go away then

[subtle heart]

so is there a way to block with a rapier or can i just not block until i get for a shield

[spare elbow]

Okay. Enjoy your game!

[dense grove]

https://gyazo.com/e2dd7212ab1160666a42b375465bd5be

I AM CACKLING HE IS SO SALTY.
Ironically the person who can't say the difference between correlation and causation is telling me to get educated. Thats pretty rough :c

[spare elbow]

Only a few weapons have a block or parry mechanic. No single handed weapons have one that im aware of only 2 handeds

@dense grove lol i love when salters slide in my dms 😂 im like bruh you realize im just chillin i dont care at all.

[barren ingot]

So pretty much you guys added a gear cap because the noobs are getting absolutely stomped by full purples right? Why not add back the lower level lobbies and give us free rain at 15? If you still have no gear at level 15 then that’s a YOU problem

[dense grove]

Hey honestly thats a really adult take and I wish you well man. If a game isn't making you happy you shouldn't play it.

@subtle heart Yeah its really sad that rapier doesn't have a parry mechanic that'd be so fucking sick.

@barren ingot I think they're testing some stuff? I mean they tried the sub 15s and said ok cool lets now try this out

[rich totem]

does blow of corruption count as dark magic?

[dense grove]

Assuming his pfp is actually him, this is a grown ass man getting angry because someone brought up causal fallacies to him on the internet. Sometimes I wonder what goes through people's minds.

@rich totem thats a good question I wish I had the answer. I'll google around and update you if I can figure it out but you could probably get the answer faster in the warlock chat

[short valve]

How to get rid of coin purses?

[dense grove]

Cry (You have to pay for HR and drop them there unfortunately)

@rich totem Everything I can find says specifically that BoC does NOT count as dark magic for the sake of Soul Collector (which is what I assume you're asking for)

[ripe wing]

Hold the line!

[spare elbow]

Yea BoC is “evil” magic damage

[midnight mantle]

You didn’t prove me wrong at all. The fact that you think you did while referencing irrelevant, unrelated things like your development experience and pretty graphics in a game no one cares about, shows how narcissistic you are.

[hard swift]

OOH what if items had durability and you had to pay gold to fix

[dense grove]

Probably a good choice tbh. I wish I could boost curses with soul collector though that'd be kinda sick

[spare elbow]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they did but also wouldn’t be mad if they didn’t just carbon copy tarkov features… pretty soon ill be bandaging my legs after jumping 1.5 inches too high from a barrel 😂

[pure owl]

Getting wierd inventory full errors when its not, also cant sell anything? 😕

[dense grove]

Hey don't give them any ideas. They'll do it as a nerf to double jump rogues! I can see it now," every time a rogue double jumps both their legs break and then we swat them IRL"

[jovial goblet]

bruh theres a bot in a trade channel that spams me with invites to the point I cant do anything

[charred lagoon]

Does dark reflection get the bonus from soul collector?

[tender badger]

I'm convinced no one actually knows what a Bis roll looks like, I've been killed by buffballs in all blues but most are mid rolls with 1 or 2 really strong items

[spare elbow]

Rouges deserve it.

[south summit]

Attempted ruins and damn I suck at pvp

[dense grove]

Yes unless they changed it recently .

@spare elbow how could you say that about your dear friend... Me?

[lofty arch]

Exactly, people complaining about seeing BiS buffball every single match and don’t think they’re exaggerating is baffling

[midnight mantle]

Watching this back and forth between pinky and goblin, two people who notoriously spout incorrect information on this discord, shows exactly why devs shouldn’t listen to streamers or this discord, and should make changes on their own. Should have all along. Game was so good in pt3 before these people incessantly spouted improper info. Truly is depressing to watch.

[south summit]

I like goblin caves the most, I manage to find chill players all the time there. Ran with 3 dudes and we all chilled and got out

[spare elbow]

They’re on their way friend better hide ya stash in the floorboards

[solar coyote]

hey, What are these two sections at the bottom of the inventory section that almost look like tetris peices?

[dense grove]

💀

Real talk what server are you? We should fuck around sometime

[misty idol]

KSI vs Tommy Fury relocated to The Ruins!

[reef umbra]

What perk do you use with no spells warlock ? Dark Reflection / Antimagic / Malice and ? All others are about curses or spells ?

[spare elbow]

Lol wtf dude? Ive just been in here messing around with people who are trying to have some fun convos, while ive also given helpful advice to ppl who are asking legit questions… who are you “notoriously spout misinfo” you got me dead bro.

@dense grove i play NA E or W ( only late evenings)

[lofty arch]

Dark enhancement to buff dark reflection dmg

[charred lagoon]

Why not soul collector?

[dense grove]

Sounds good. I threw you an add.

Secondly, is that dog still barking? The only one trying to mislead anyone was him by positing that his evidence proved his opinion

[limber badge]

Man rangers are just the epitome of unfun to fight. Doesn't even feel good when I win, just exhaustive.

[lofty arch]

O yeah I’m stupid I completely forgot about soul collector, would actually be perfect for no spell warlock since it would only proc on reflection

[dense grove]

Sunny what are you doing posting such a normal opinion. Where's the absolute wacky shit I've come to know and love?

[limber badge]

I've been playing ruins and facing constant rangers lol

[midnight mantle]

At least I posted evidence, showing a fact not an opinion btw. You just randomly popped off about your development of a mod for mw5 as if that had ANYTHING to do with the conversation. Then pedantically went on and on about correlation and causation without providing anything useful to the conversation in any way shape or form. Weirdo.

[spare elbow]

Knowing when to drop a dead argument is a social skill.

[muted gulch]

Cleric lfg

[dense grove]

That's... Understandable tbh.

@spare elbow the funny thing is I actually liked the game better with higher loot rates and never once disagreed with that just that his "evidence" wasn't relevant to anything.

@midnight mantle buddy. You can't even remember the flow of the conversation you should probably reread what happened before you make yourself look worse

[lapis veldt]

Warlock broken

[midnight mantle]

He keeps bringing it up and saying he proved me wrong. Sorry if I am calling out your only friend in the world now, but that’s what is happening.

@dense grove buddy if you want to be so kind as to grace us all with the actual evidence or point you were making other than the blanket, “correlation doesn’t equal causation” that all idiots say when they have no actual point to make, be my guest. But when called out you don’t even have a point to reference because you have nothing to say, just as you have had nothing to say from the beginning.

[plain marsh]

My gameplay loop is as follows:

Run GC, get some gear and money. Buy full kit of +wep dmg gear. Buy entire pharmacy. Get kit and stomp normals. Don't ever go to HR. See Timmy with no gear, know he has nothing of value for me. Shoot Timmy from across map with blue long bow with +20 wep dmg. Timmy somehow lived so I chase into the swarm thru 4 rooms and camp the final circle to make sure he will not live even tho I have no intention of even looting him. Repeat. I don’t see what is bad about this gameplay loop. If you run into me when I have my full kit in normals I am just trying pad my ego. To me this feels normal.

@bold glade i think i've come to the conclusion that you just like to hear yourself talk lol

[limber badge]

This is blue queue in general lmao
Them thinking blues somehow protected timmies is a joke and a half

[chrome plaza]

What is better for items % phyical/magical damage or the flat damage ? for example 2% or +2 flat?

[lapis veldt]

Take away ALL +weapon damage things immediately

[true plume]

except on weapons and jewelry imo

[plain marsh]

the goal was never to protect timmies. the goal was to incentivize high roller. people need to stop assuming it was done for the casual player lol. also that was a reddit post that a timmy made thinking he was clever

[dense grove]

Jesus Christ I'm gonna give you one more response then put this to bed because you clearly don't understand.

Your evidence isn't evidence. You say the player count is dropping and that this is indicative that this patch was bad. What part. Did the player count drop because of bard nerfs? Loot changes? Gear drop reworks? Do you have evidence of just ONE of those things being changed in a vacuum?

If you want to prove that x CAUSES y not that x CORRELATES with y you need VERY DIFFERENT EVIDENCE. Also this is the first time me and pink have actually really talked. I just remember them being generally nice to people and decided to make friends

[limber badge]

Well they missed their goal, then

[spare elbow]

There isnt even a good response to this i aint tryna argue is all im saying homie just move on

[midnight mantle]

So where is your evidence that the playerbase isn’t dropping? Oh wait you fucking have none and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Done talking to someone with literally no point to make, thanks for showing my point exactly.

[main raven]

My evidence for the playercount dropping was the fact that I ran into the exact same pickpocket Rogue in back to back games lol

[flint zealot]

I don't care for disputes on it, call it one-sided and close-minded. I love this game, but this patch has ruined my main class with no buffs (Bard), with 5 nerf patches in a row with the wrong kind of nerfs.
I can't stand that buffball hasn't been touched.
Blue only lobbies have actually made them harder because I can't use the random purples I find and beating other teams only gives blues bis for that character where purples were half the time worn just because it was purple and might benefit more than one person if it isn't BIS
Reduced loot on top of this means when you finally do get out, you only get max 200 g if you picked up any form of extra gear or campfires etc.
Dear lord I am done with this game till next patch with baited breath

[violet locust]

which class would benefit most from magical power leather leggings?

[trim ravine]

I can't stand that buffball hasn't been touched.
It's almost like... bard is the main factor in buffball

[limber badge]

Except that would be wizard

[dense grove]

The point wasn't whether or not the playerbase dropped the point was whether or not that was evidence for his next statement. Which it wasn't. He was making a leap in logic and isn't smart enough to realize what that means.

I have evidence that as more women go to work on average less wars are fought. Does this mean employing women affects likelihood to go to war or is there perhaps OTHER FACTORS

[zealous slate]

hate this game
just all time inbalance, laged game

[flint zealot]

Man, I guess I don't know what I am talking about because Buffball is cleric barb wiz

[errant cedar]

hello guys i´m going to share another DaD experience with y'all - me (ranger) and my fighter friend just went into the ruins with pretty good gear (mostly rare items) and we just had a fight against a duo of warlocks, one of them had pretty much the same level of gear as we had and the other one was new to the game lvl one without anything else than standard gear, the fight went like that - the warlock with gear just casted a curse of pain on each of us and in a blink of an eye we were just dead and we couldn't di anything against it - please tell me what we should've done to counter that

[midnight mantle]

I read your response as Scott Malkinson from South Park. Accurate?

[frank delta]

You're lying. You didn't die in the "Blink of an eye" unless you were already near death.

[tardy sandal]

Shoot them from very far away with crossbows

[weak star]

you should have deinstalled the moment warlock got into the game lol

[dense grove]

Holy fuck I have never seen that happen. Do you have a video of that?

[spare elbow]

Ranger and fighter can both outrange warlocks — if you have a fighter in blues without a crossbow youre playing wrong

[errant cedar]

have you ever heard of the phantomize spell

[last iris]

But curse of pans damage isn’t front loaded it’s mostly damage overtime

[mighty oar]

Hey, has anyone got a solution to fixing mass rubberbanding issues when playing the game? I'm talking about rubberbanding across entire rooms without touching a key lvl, YES I have good wifi and it is often better than my teammates, YES I have checked if my pc can run and it can run its equirements perfectly (apart from the rubberbanding) has anyone got any form of solution to this because I love the game but I literally cannot play the game in the state it is for me.

[dense grove]

It's a skill not a spell and they don't really get much Ms. Count to.. I think it's 10? And then one tap them.

Do you have a video though? I play a LOT of warlock and haven't seen a build that does that much damage that quickly

[spare elbow]

I have yeah but you can still keep distance during phantomize, or if he gets too close you can kill him cause phantomize plus spells means no BOC. It should be almost impossible for him to 1 shot both of you with a single curse though that sounds cheaty or you each got hit by some random ranger at the samw time he cursed you

[sick tapir]

I've heard other people take insane amounts of initial damage from curse of pain - I think it involves stacking as much +magic damage as possible and +5% dark magic damage per soul perk (+30% dark magic damage total possible)

[weak star]

yes you got it :3

[dense grove]

Yeah but that's once. It doesn't work on two people and the soul perk doesn't work on curse of pain anyway it's not dark magic

[spare elbow]

When i play fighter curses hit me like a truck even low gear locks. Id rather fight any other class all day

@sick tapir Actually very little of it is dark lol

[sick tapir]

Oh I thought all of warlock's magic counted as dark magic

[fair marlin]

curse did half my buddies health, cleric

[sick tiger]

Whats the going rate for Trolls Blood?

[dense grove]

No the dark spells are specific. Stacking + add mag and + true mag works but the soul thing would only work on something like dark bolt.

@fair marlin How geared of a warlock and how quickly?

[fiery vine]

Just ran into a rouge so fast all he did was hold S to a sneak attack and we couldn't catch him with daggers

[winter mulch]

I have only blues and down, in any slot, yet, can't go in the normal dungeon.

[dense grove]

@fiery vine S... to sneak attack? Do you mean S to walk backwards? Also if you swing you slow yourself down (not to mention if he out ranges you chasing into someones longer range while they backpedal is generally a really BAD idea)

@winter mulch You have a coin purse in your inventory. Am I a psychic?

[last iris]

Got a coin purse?

[midnight mantle]

False a fully kitted warlock can ONESHOT a kitted rogue with curse of pain. And that is with 110-120 hp

[thin igloo]

NERF RANGER, full blue barbarian, dying to off spawn ranger with nothing, quick shot shooting me three times and left me one shot. stupid shit

[spare elbow]

In ruins youre restricted on gear tho right? So bro would need full bis multi key cost set to pull this off in ruins.

[bleak echo]

Imagine been a barbarian crying about rangers haha

[frank delta]

With what spell? Mathematically there is NO spell in the Warlock Arsenal that can do 110-120 hp unless they have God Tier armor/weapons which is now banned in normal matches. Your Math ain't Mathin

[midnight mantle]

You can get a LOT of additional magical damage without full full BIS come on bro you know this. That set doesn't cost multiple keys. It costs like 3-4k max.

[fiery vine]

@dense grove We were caught off guard and they opened a door next to us. They saw my teammate and I was hidden in the shadows. He ran at my teammate., their faces were touching. I jumped out and he just pressed the s key and got away he was so fast. He had all blue crafted armor.

[thin igloo]

@bleak echo imagine ignoring anything realistic

[dense grove]

You're best off not interacting with this person. They're generally unpleasant and if you try to disagree with them they're more than likely to just insult you and then try to harass you in DMs xD
https://gyazo.com/06899bc27cc2b480319493369b1694a0
Well at least thats the correlation I've witnessed ;P

@fiery vine Thats crazy, he didn't like backflip or anything he just ran backwards (not that the backflip is particularly fast/good) Kind of an interesting kit to run into if nothing else!
Wait did he happen to have the speed shrine?

[bleak echo]

In HR barbs have 70%pdr 60% mdr 250 hp that is realistic

[bleak echo]

You okay?

[spare elbow]

Warlock needs more than 50 additional magic damage to 1 tap 100 hp with curse of pain

[split lynx]

This.

[dense grove]

Instantly deals 10 magic damage to the target and curses them with Agony.
Agony: Receive a total of 10 Magical Damage distributed over 8 seconds.

First part has a 1 to 1 ratio the dot has a 2 to 1 ratio meaning with 50 you'd do 60 damage and 35 damage. Yeah you're right provided you aren't adding in the DoT

[limber verge]

Lmao what does that even mean

[fair marlin]

it had a few added magic and alotttt of will

[granite wharf]

[fiery vine]

@dense grove I didn't notice any buffs, even after he abliterated us. All of his crafted armor had agility on it. Just too OP of a rouge, unreachable melee LOL. Yeah he just went straight back WHILE attacking us and we both died

[dry stump]

How am i getting two shot by a grey fighter w/ a long sword Lol

[limber badge]

It's wild to me that blue queue is sweatier/more geared than HR in crypts and GC. If I want capes and gear pvp, I go blue queue. Ruins especially.

[bleak echo]

I ran blue que all day and the gear I looted kinda sucked

[fair marlin]

hr sucks. going inferno and the purples suckkkk

[spare elbow]

If he parry the followup hits are 50% bonus damage and usually hit heads too so 50% more bonus damage.

[viscid hamlet]

Parry is huge, normally players just hold rmb tho so just put ur head into their body and click

[dense grove]

Will scaling is actually worse than Add Magic. If he had all add magic he might have done more but I'd have to see their kit in detail to math it out. Scary to run into though!

[limber badge]

My experience has been opposite, swimming in gold from ruins

[split lynx]

@mossy drum

[dense grove]

If ya ever need a little rogue or warlock buddy hmu <3

@lime fractal NO the poison weapon perk has a 1/4th scaling so +x = 4+1/4x damage. (Also pretty sure all DoTs have a total damage that is modified and that damage is just split across the duration

[lime fractal]

I need some clarification. If I have a weapon with +X magical damage on a rogue with poison. Does it 4+X damage over 4 seconds or 1+X every second?

[trim ravine]

loot is still too easy to get imo

[dry stump]

no its not

[gloomy fox]

anyone have problems with voip? i cannot use!

[oblique pecan]

where do you report game breaking bugs?

[trim ravine]

I literally just made 300g in one normal gc from troll sellables plus two +3 wep dmg blues from pvp which sold for 400g quickselling each

[dry stump]

you killed a boss and are upset you were rewarded?

[dense grove]

See my previous message but also def double check me cause I'm cooking and can't double check myself

[lime fractal]

i would check in game myself, but I can never make it to a training dummy in time before the game starts

[tidal scroll]

#report-a-bug

[limber badge]

[drowsy field]

best warlock perks?

[dense grove]

Wiki should have info on it also try checking rogue group

@drowsy field try the warlock group

[peak sleet]

How much does green and blue pickaxes cost now ?

[drowsy field]

i dont see the warlock group

[dense grove]

You have to add yourself to it there is a way via the intro pages

Edit: CHANNELS AND ROLES AT THE VERY TOP

[mossy drum]

yo! what's up!

[split lynx]

Whats goood sir?

[limber badge]

Your videos bring me life

[fossil jackal]

when 95% of the strength of an item are in its rolled stats(and only like 5 stats matter) does restricting items by color grade make any difference?

[radiant dome]

@zinc sparrow Holy light is not healing players in goblin cave. Is this by design?

[trim ravine]

I've been rewarded too much honestly. troll is way too easy for 300g.

[dense grove]

Alright there evanescence you ain't gotta wake me up inside

[mossy drum]

ty my gamer, I hope your weekend will be filled with high tier loot and great gaming memories

[sterile acorn]

anyone else finding teams of players with the best blue gear youve ever seen just so they dont have to play in harder lobbies

[clever mesa]

Once or twice

[short mason]

did they take away loot pile after you do the lich in normals? there was no pile when we killed it

[bleak echo]

Been gone for ages

[keen umbra]

GUYS how much is a troll club value????

[fossil jackal]

Only thing the color restriction really did was make crafting weapons not interesting for a lot of players and ruining end of season streamers fulgors GC videos

[trim ravine]

I made a 1000g run in gcaves, devs pls nerf loot

[split lynx]

What colluded here Had some good points attach attached to he to a it.

[keen umbra]

someone know?

[river shell]

are gold purses considered higher than rare quality? I can't enter normal dungeons

[prime heath]

this game is so busted i actually just got one shot by a blow of corruption crystal sword in full gear. ttk is waaay to fast in this game

[flat brook]

I died to a fighter using a recurve bow. How is that possible? Gear? Cheats?

[sick tapir]

yes, they made them unique quality for some dumb reason

[vivid pendant]

.... perk ......

[brave storm]

@orchid quartz I love trash talking anime pfp havers 🤣 go smash a real girl and stop beating to cartoons 🤣

[river shell]

amazing. I can't even sell this garbage, no merchants accept them and my stash is full

[lapis veldt]

Warlock broken

[flat brook]

Oh. haha. I'm glad I didn't report him. I haven't messed with the fighter class yet.

[brave storm]

All you can do is sell them for free in the utility player traders market that’s what I did or misc I forget

[dense grove]

Both? Both.

[umbral ginkgo]

the only true nerf that needs to happen is crossbows

[dry stump]

holy strike is not instant cast

[charred lagoon]

Is the market for gold ingots ever going back up or am i just losing my tail end on them

[trim ravine]

HOW MUCH FOR ONE GOLD INGOT

[finite yew]

go check misc chat for 5 seconds youll have the most up to date price

[rapid vapor]

Judgement being .35 seconds is hella wack especially given it's damage and slow

[eager current]

day 365 of buffball being the only 3s comp

[bleak echo]

The damage difference between holy and lightning is massive do not even compare the 2

[finite yew]

zap is “instant cast” by your definition and wizards do have it

[main raven]

Holy Strike seems to hit like a truck, unless I was just up against juiced Clerics

[bleak echo]

Cleric I play with is pretty geared and I can take 4 as a ranger with little mdr

[worthy escarp]

Don't forget arcane missiles (with arcane perk) or the 'instant' cast perk that people tend to avoid.

They do have it, just most choose not to run it.

[ripe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-oh-my-god-crypto-eth-ethereum-gif-27338613

[spare elbow]

Yeah holy strike is strong but its range is low and leaves you open to being pushed since cleric has limited escape options. Wiz has more long range magic options and mobility to escape pushes

[rapid vapor]

It does 15 and has max scaling so a basekit cleric is doing 20 if you have 0 mr

[main raven]

Should do 29 when you factor in starter staff and 30% Power Bonus

[spare elbow]

I think 20 was factoring base will magic power bonus but with staff yeah like 4 or 5 more so 25 even but many classes have some initial MR

[viscid hamlet]

so whats the best way to condense money? gold coin bags selling pretty ludicrous prices

[rapid vapor]

I forgot to add in the start staff that brings it to 26 because the staff benefits from power too

[main raven]

Oh you're right I apparently can't do math lol

[worthy escarp]

You can craft/buy leather pouches that hold more or buy/find chests that hold like 1000 or something

[mental lily]

if i buy the 35usd version will i be able to play when the game fully releases?

[spare elbow]

Then again starting with holy strike prioritized makes you unable to have both heals and protect without any added knowledge if i remember correctly.

[rapid vapor]

Point is for a relatively low cast time and how it's basically hit scan it does a lot. And yes you can push a cleric but they're not like wizard and can at least defend themselves in close range too. They're just really hard to fight in solos in general @spare elbow holy strike is 4 slots they have 12 base. Protection and bless are 1 each and lesser heal is 3

[spare elbow]

You forgot about big heal, i didnt know we were talking about solos i play trios almost exclusively

[honest pasture]

Let's be honest, in this game you can see the lack of balance at first glance, where the cleric is actually a better fighter than the fighter himself, if he has smite. Support should be a support, and the tank should be able to take hits, and not be dead with full gear when Warlock's bonk him with random stick or bonk him cleric with smite. A Bard with throwing drum is a killing machine that can kill dressed players with two hit, and hitting them is not an art with giant drum hitbox. Mage plays every role in this game, from dps to support, and is even a better rogue than rogue. Archer has too high dmg, thanks to weapon dmg on each item, he can kill a dressed full AR fighter with 3 shots. Rogue after nerfs mainly serves as a farm bot. Warlock with his Hydra, heal and hellfire can easily solo bosses without much cost in gear, nor the skills of the player. The game is broken, and stupid changing % on the characters will not change it, the only solution is to rebuild the gear, or remove some skills or perks on the characters. However, I think the first thing creators should do is reach for their brains and make a sensible gear division where weapons are weapons, armor is armor, and accessories fill in the gaps in the build. Because you can't balance characters when gear is poorly designed. There is always a loophole when you can bet the same statistic on 11 pieces of gear, and build something broken.

[worthy escarp]

I like sanctuary over holy light :> so juicy

[rapid vapor]

Big heal is 5+small heal 3, so if you take both and a strike you'll be full on basekit. But you only need 2 slots to carry barrier and buff too

[spare elbow]

Yup

[bleak echo]

Okay haha, you okay? Seem a bit touchy did you just loose some gear to a cleric?

[tardy bay]

just got banned from game when i never cheated and they said i was using unauthorized progam when i have video of me playing too shit company

[honest pasture]

Good luck with waiting forever for a response from support.

[rapid vapor]

I won't lie I think they're a little overtuned in general. They just kind of do everything and they do it well.

[dry stump]

How much do golden keys sell for?

[brave storm]

naw bruh not both.

[dense grove]

ToO lAtE

[crystal sedge]

did you tried not cheating? Ive heard that usually works

[spare elbow]

Yeah their casting and melee capabilities are both a little strong especially since you can build both easily bc base will is so high

[tardy bay]

i never cheated lol

[left plinth]

thats something a cheater would say

[agile tangle]

I've never been banned for cheating, not once, been gaming since EQ1 was actually popular. Just sayin...

[honest pasture]

Even your avatar reminds me of cheater kek.

[crystal sedge]

im sure itll happen from time to time, but dudes been playing since Aug. Just take the L and stop cheating

[spare elbow]

Did you uninstall the anticheat or sum?

[scenic hornet]

How to deal against warlock as cleric in GC ? New to cleric pretty much

[quaint stump]

run

[left plinth]

cheater rhetoric

[honest pasture]

antycheat of this game takes screenshots, you just need to use game filters and you already have a ban.

[crystal sedge]

been playing the game since close testing, never been banned... skill issue i guess L @honest pasture ohh, you mean , like a 3rd party software??? wonder why that would get you banned

[scenic hornet]

Yeah legit what I told myself after being stomped by a warlock last night lmao

[honest pasture]

buy weapon dmg gear, and play ranger, ez.

[rapid vapor]

There's some software that will get you banned even if you just have it open. Like a reverse engineering software some devs and crackers use

[crystal sedge]

working as intended

[vivid pendant]

that's what all liars/cheaters say, though....

[quaint stump]

he said as a cleric

[left plinth]

or MapleStory

[rapid vapor]

Holy strike/judgement is about the same distance as their curses and you do more upfront damage. If they try to close in and use boc then either block, wait it out, or at the worst try to jump and take it in the knees. If they phantomize not only will holy strike still hit them it'll do 50% more damage

[tardy sandal]

Tank blow of corruption using protection if you aren't confident with blocking, protection bubble negates body part damage so boc won't get the headshot multiplier

[dense grove]

Anyone want 3 free white rapiers?

[scenic hornet]

Thanks ! I feel like they run so fast compared to me so i cant cast judgment ever while they just dot me

[honest pasture]

Pro tip. accept the fact that pvp is more like call of duty, if you expected dark fantasy with epic duels on swords, shields and axes, just write to support that you want a refund xD

[dense grove]

If you're in the circle and they're outside you can hold corners and force them to close range where you generally have a much better shot since they can't have time to cast.

[summer pulsar]

Why accept that the game is bad?

[honest pasture]

yes. I'm waiting for them to add sprints and sliding, no fall dmg, jumping and spinning 360 nonscope is already here xD

[true plume]

i hope next patch they see what the game would be like without the zone 🙂 make the game 10x better

[foggy loom]

I'm not the only one who gets random glitchy audio like an early 2000s cellphone right?

[sand zenith]

Make the game 10x slower. Slower to get into queues by proxy and then when you lose gear and can’t get back in fast it actually feels like a hard loss. The fast loop keeps the game afloat. The circle is a good thing just saying.

[honest pasture]

they could also add wall-running for Archer if he chooses the elf race, and sliding down the stairs on the shield xD

[summer pulsar]

Maybe nerf zone timers by a quarter would be nice.

[dense grove]

good reference if nothing else xD

[warm quiver]

Has anyone else thought they should add in an option for a choice in weapons for start up gear?

[spare elbow]

This should be an alternate use for the pavise tbh ( the stairs one )

[cosmic lava]

Good for balance testing by forcing fights

Terrible for gameplay

[dense grove]

You could limit total match time solely by having a universal timer and still not have a circle. Nothing about removing the circle inherently ends up with how you've painted it.

@cosmic lava Honestly a very good way to put it.

[sick tapir]

why does disabling a hunting trap require a skill check?
I mean theoretically you should just be able to toss a torch onto a trap and spring it

[spare elbow]

So you don’t accidentally crush your hand in it while disarming it

@wheat spire skill check to disarm it if it hasn’t been triggered, no skill check if it is triggered.

[wheat spire]

It shouldn’t anymore, didn’t they removed that?

[dense grove]

Because god hates us and we must be punished for our sins.

[crimson inlet]

how much god power would be needed for a second page

[honest pasture]

I know how to make a fighter back to top tier class, you have to give him the abillity to rolling. Trust me this is great idea.

[wheat spire]

Ooo ty for the info Pinky

[night oak]

is it worth it to use a luck potion on a standard GC HR run?

[honest pasture]

take Bard you'll have luck potion for free. Just do not write later that the stash in the game is too small.

[sick tapir]

bard + luck potion is awesome
purples everywhere

[tame arch]

Where do i use old rusty key, since i cant bring it in ruins with the new only blue update

[true plume]

does anyone know if luck potions work for broken boxes/barrels?

[split cypress]

Crypt HR has rusty iron door spawn

[rich crest]

gods i love how no one buys purples unless rolls are god tier

[snow badger]

You dont like the market being so screwed that everything is 400 or a key?

[steady valve]

All my gear is purple so I can’t even play with randoms anymore unless I go buy an entire new set or go in naked feelsbad

[honest pasture]

I'll tell you how to win this game, you make a bard, you hit Level 15 to unlock the trade. For the collected gold up to level 15, you buy garbage for 50 gold % movement speed from people, trust me they are cheap because they are not meta. You look at video on YT where there are golden treasure chest on ruins, after which you run and play at flute, escaping from pve and pvp. Next u take some friend, trade with him to get ur item to others class, and go terrorize whole goblin cave lobby with GG set. Easy. if you do not know how to play, take a cleric dress him full MR, and AR, you will be like terminator, and u can bonk everyone for 70% their hp with staff+smite, healing urself, and dont give a fuck about anything, u dont even use other weapon, staff is good, trust me, im a PRO. Eventualy still play as bard and take 10 blue drums to kill everyone at lobby.

[rich crest]

economy so bunked frfr

[keen silo]

High roller. 🙂

[dreamy vine]

There is a high skill and gear difference for most people that want to run their purple kits

[lament spear]

i need to redownload my blacksmith launcher why is it gone from the website???

[dusky zinc]

game is done

[errant moat]

the people running full blue BIS kits in ruins are so cringgeee

[lament spear]

yo there isnt a ticket section anymore so how do i even ask a question

[scenic hornet]

Why

[cobalt echo]

how 2 get rid of coin purses

[rich owl]

At the moment, by trading them or dropping them on high roller.

[main raven]

I've seen people mention HR a lot. Can you not bring them into Normals at all or something (i.e. are coin bags considered Epic+)?

[peak crypt]

Correct

[cosmic lava]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1030185258345304094

maybe? I'm not sure the kind of question you need.

[main raven]

what the fuck

[empty sun]

#discord-help this what you mean?

[lament spear]

yea i dodnt even see that as an option in my discord

[quasi kindle]

So are purples jsut useless now?

[cosmic lava]

if you're too scared to HR, then yes

[snow badger]

Pretty much unless you manage to find one without and bad rolls. Otherwise, since the stats are so crunched that purples dont really offer any extra dmg or armor, they are trash tier

[lament spear]

i had to click on your extension to even have that option on my disc

[empty sun]

Scroll to the top click channels and roles and in there I think there an option to show all

[turbid latch]

Yo the game is actually playable now that only rares can be taken into normal dungeons, lfg

[lament spear]

is this new what the heck thank you i had no idea

[empty sun]

Yeah it is it confused me and many others too

Pretty recent

[noble remnant]

Game is way better after patch.

[dry stump]

How rare are golden keys? Anyone know the drop rate?

[true plume]

the final circle could remain to put a time limit on the game.

[main raven]

Either 1% or 3% from Skeleton Champions; the 3% is from the Elite variant

[zealous chasm]

Real progress!
Finally we are experimenting with the first gear based matchmaking pool and have temporarily implemented a gear cap to the Normal dungeons.

[trim ravine]

gear based matchmaking is gonna be the death of this game and it's the reason why I haven't died in the past 20 games

[quasi kindle]

How will it be the death?

[trim ravine]

A) The entire point of gear is to be rewarded with an advantage when you do wear it, at the risk of your gear.
If you are just going to play against similarly geared players, gear becomes meaningless. Might as well just remove gear entirely then.

B) Gear based matchmaking would lead to insane queue times, imagine the queues if you want to wear very good gear, waiting for a whole lobby of juicers to join up. This would also affect queue times for all players, not just geared ones.

C) Low geared players would no longer have the chance to kill a juicer, and the reward of getting that loot. It removes the best highs the game has to offer, and flattens it into a boring PVE grind for gear. You can't gear up from PvP, because everyone has same gear as you.

D) The gear in this game is not easy to matchmake with. A green with all attributes is often better than a legendary with bad stats. The matchmaking would be inaccurate.

[umbral moth]

what's the price of golden keys rn?

[amber notch]

Why tf are "coin bags higher than rare grade" thats fucking stupid

[rich owl]

I used to think like you but this is wrong. A matchmaking like this would provide fairer fights and for those who know better a more stable way of gaining gold to gear up for high roller. Low geared players (greys and white) will enjoy the benfits of killing blues geared players with more possibilities to outplay since gear difference is significant lowered. Blue geared players will still rip the benefit of getting more blues or gold. Finally green armor against purples or higher have way less chances of outplaying since purples and higher provide more base stats and additional modifiers. As long they don't push it down to green lobbies or worse it is a good idea.

[worn jetty]

who else games are getting reverted when they exfil

[jolly halo]

High roller more dead than before?

[stable echo]

If someone is a juicer with a clerk and your not in decent gear there is literally nothing you can do to kill them. Also just anyone in a juicer gearset it’s stupid hard to kill them even if they play bad. Someone with broken gear has to play so unbelievably bad to die to someone not in good gear

[fallen ravine]

👍

[cold talon]

People in BIS blues in normals now are just as juicy as people in mid purples last patch

[turbid latch]

All of what you said is objectively wrong lmao. The queue times havent changed at all, although some times for highroller may be slower/faster depending on TOD
The whole point of GBMM in normal dungeons is to further help with newer players, or less geared players. Once you get passed the threshold, its all risk and all reward in High roller

[trim ravine]

GBMM isn't restricting normals to blues (which still won't change the gear disparity), it's players with gear score similar to eachother getting matched up.

[wispy turret]

Impossible since purps have an extra stat, you can have damage, utility or survival but it's much harder to have all 3, at least they have to sacrifice in a field

[next tiger]

WTF IS up with this game in a lobby w/ two others and we all get sepatated into separate lobbies instad of the same one for HIGH ROLLER! i mean jesus f christ how dificult is it to make sure i sppawn in the same game as my team especially in high roller!!!!

[cold talon]

Now ur talking about BIS purples though i rarely saw people in BIS purples in normals last patch. Maybe on ruins but that’s it. It was usually a mid purple with 2 useful stats and 1 shit stay

[warped raft]

you should be able to fix this by remaking the group

[trim ravine]

Restricting normals to blues won't change anything when I'm still running +13 wep dmg on my blue and green rogue set.

[dry stump]

I'm throbbing

[next tiger]

i was loaded into the the game alone how am i supposed to remake the group???!!!! LOST FULL KITS TWO TIMES!!!!!

[turbid latch]

Tell that to the full 3 man with the same thing lmao

[cold talon]

I’m on ur side man

[main raven]

Everyone's running +damage green/blues right now

[trim ravine]

I've been telling the timmies in GC that all day and haven't died in about 72 hours now
In fact this is the richest I've ever been

[steady valve]

I feel like the lobby change sucks, how do you guys feel about it?? I just feel way more restricted even though I have 30 gold ingots on my rogue I could still buy an insane kit and just go farm normals if I wanted, it just makes playing with random people feel awful since I have to either buy whole new sets or go naked

[neon harbor]

If you are running geared in GC then you are a loser Vag just saying lol

[turbid latch]

Exactly, thats why the argument doesnt hold
Also Goblin caves isnt crypts lmao

[trim ravine]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Plus, I made it out with 1100g in a single raid of GC earlier today. Why would I do anything else?

@turbid latch exactly how is a combined +13 weap dmg friendly to new players?

[quasi kindle]

So you want people to keep thier wealth in thier stash? why not bring it out

[split lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKriWDwPiJo

[weak umbra]

nobody is buying purples anymore

[turbid latch]

What youre saying is anecdotal lmao. Its very much proven to help new players already

[rich owl]

They are planning to tune down the + weap dmg modifiers. Then rats will complain that they can't kill anyone.

[neon harbor]

Use your gear in trios like everyone else does that wants a challenge

[novel plover]

nah wtf how tf tommry fury won that complete robbery

[zinc spruce]

I love the the lobby music, however I have slight grown to hate it. Maybe next wipe we get new or rotating music. Thoughts?

[steady valve]

Repoze was hitting over 100 with a fucking torch yesterday, weapon dmg can def get toned down a bit lmao

[cold talon]

If they tone down weapon damage and magic damage the gear based lobby’s would be fine

[trim ravine]

I'm a solo, I'm not gonna hamper myself because you feel like it's unfair.

@turbid latch >Its very much proven to help new players already
How? Every class but maybe fighter and cleric don't need the AR scalling that purples provide.

[dry stump]

Lol i enjoy his streams its funny seeing him just not think and dieing with 15+key sets on

[snow badger]

Yeah Im confused at how people think this helps. If you couldnt afford gear before then you cant afford the new price of good roll blues that are 200 old and up (if lucky)

[pulsar basin]

how are people shievling their weapons?

[worn jetty]

lf1m grey rogue for pure money runs hell experienced

[rich owl]

You are talking about solo but in group play fighters get killed by any caster and clerics just get killed if caught off-guard. GC shouldn't be your indicator that the game is ruined.

[steady valve]

Has he died once since leaderboards came out? I was like #3 escape artist until his group popped up with a 100% success rate lol. Took a big dump on my 85% smh

[dry stump]

He died twice in the stream i was watching yesterday hahaha

[turbid pumice]

do we know when the next wipe might be?

[dry thorn]

anwherer to get weapon appraisals

[warped raft]

well yea i meant after of course, same thing happened to a group of mine, all 3 of us got loaded in on separate parts of the map 2 times in a row, then we remade the group and it did not happen again, sry bout losing the kits, welcome to EA

[charred lagoon]

Market for candy corn is dead. Can't sell for 5g ea.

[radiant bluff]

greens only for normals

[steady valve]

Apparently people don’t like getting scammed by the Jack o lantern who tf would have thought

[rich owl]

Well.. i got plate pants with +3 knowledge +2 agi +1 all, Clerics went mad over it.

[steady valve]

How much did you sell them for? I haven’t been able to sell much cleric gear for anything really worth my time since the patch. I’ve had the easiest time selling purple ranger gear so far

[rich owl]

Pretty sure i sold it for dirt cheap for 1.2k and 1 (decent) ring. But guess it was the right decision since current patch.

[charred lagoon]

I converted 9k to gold bars and now i can't get half that back post patch

[rich owl]

Who knew gold stock market in a game could crash.

[whole moss]

Going price for a Troll Pelt?
tyvm Hxnd, very much a response

[wraith pagoda]

at least 1g
then go test the waters instead of asking me dawg
p.s. this is really cool - fuck them wait times

[jovial gulch]

Around one key or a little more

[novel glacier]

The amount of shit stain people I've run into who crouch and then walk up to you and hit you I've run into recently in gobo is unreal

[round tundra]

So. No gold coin pouches in normals? I know IM said they wanted to reduce gold output in the game, but that's just a wee bit ridiculous.

[steel pebble]

anyone know what volcanic ash is used for?

[subtle heart]

bro this game feel like it doesnt want new people to play it everytyime i fight something feels like i gotta fight the game more than the enemy

[warped raft]

erasers

[onyx yew]

Hey hey. suprised they went with gear score so soon. cool!

[whole moss]

sentiment shared but not by all it seems

[steel pebble]

what do you mean

[warped raft]

it can be used to make erasers, like on the back of those sticks we used to write things with 😉

[jovial gulch]

Useless atm

[steel pebble]

soo you trollin? its a useless item to sell to the collector?

[novel glacier]

Can we just remove the gear limit in regular. So now we can't even run a single peice of shitty purps and we have guys like this. Who is running max damage roll +all min max blues.

https://gyazo.com/8e53714f7aa0e3f5b240c01af716c08f

[onyx yew]

shame that. I remeber talking about it like 2 days ago for possible gear consistency changes and matchmaking. I think that shows us that the devs keep up on the disc too. I think thats neat

[foggy loom]

I just used a lockpick twice without it disappearing - is this a bug?? I thought they were single use. I even failed the skillcheck the first time.

[normal forge]

You can vendor it for 5g each so don't worry about that

[midnight mantle]

When the average good player starts to realize that HR is not nearly as worthwhile as rolling other teams in partially BIS blues while running full BIS blues for only a couple thousand gold, making huge returns in these normal lobbies by making “Smurfs” I don’t think people will be happy about this matchmaking stuff. But it sounds like they will be changing it more in the future with an actual ranked system

[rich owl]

So you can have guys min maxing purple?

[warped raft]

im sorry i will try much much harder next time to not be funny but, i believe it is used in the making of crafted magical gear

[novel glacier]

Min max blue kits are CHEAP compared to min max purples. If someone wants to bring a 8k set to make 200g per run sure.

[midnight mantle]

It may be worthwhile when leaderboards aren’t up. But the average good player doesn’t have a 50 key kit like Repoze’s rogue. And repoze is running around HR killing as many people as humanly possible, whilst not dying a single time since leaderboard came out. With actual juicers like that running around HR crypts, with the nature of it being a BR fiesta now, rather than an extraction game, people don’t want to run that. And will simply sit in full BIS blues in norms. Now let’s take into account that SOME BIS blues like wolf hunter leggings, are better than any purple you can get.

[rich owl]

They are cheap NOW and will go back to full price if patch is rollbacked.

[onyx yew]

I think that is a valid, but negative standpoint - and I agree, it can happen and eventually will. There are always people who will try to find the most exploitive way possible. However Id like to hear from you what this change also helped or fixed? and whether it is a step in the right direction. I believe its easy to look at every change and see the coming problems because of them, but making critisim constructive is what id like to promote for this game

[uneven ermine]

blue items sell for more than purple..... makes sense

[novel glacier]

Which it wont be. Devs said they are relatively satisfied with where the gear drop rate is.

[midnight mantle]

It is definitely a step in the right direction. The game needs to be more casual friendly, but they need a system that can’t be abused. Each additional + modifier (for example 3 str) should have a gear score, and then rarity for items can have a number as well (0 for grey, 1 for white, 2 green and so on) and the culmination of this score should be the gear score overall that the character in question has. Otherwise this can be abused and is currently being abused.

[warped raft]

do you have a coin purse on you ?

[rich owl]

What? The reason purple dropped prices wasn't because of drop rates, thought it was nerfed so it doesn't help your point, but because normal maps gear limit is blue and people only want to run normals. The price for blue sky rocketed and purples dropped because of the limit not because of drop rate. If you want to use your purple just go to HR.

[onyx yew]

Nice! Thank you! Now, can anyone think of ways to exploit this if it were implemented? maybe ways it would be abused? (I am eating rn, and not braining sorry) and I do agree with it needing to be more casual. Hard core gamers do not understand that casual gamers are its life blood. there are just more of them yknow? I do think whatever ideas we come up with need to keep both parties in mind though.

[novel glacier]

No I just want people to not be able to run BIS blue at 0 risk. Before there was always a risk of someone was running a better kit or hard counter. Thats not the case with blues only.

[rich owl]

And then people will run on BiS purple at 0 risk, your logic doesn't stand. At least now there's a better chance to outplay blues than purples.

[uneven ermine]

ALL OF YOU SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE MORE CASUAL GOOGLE WHAT YOU ARE PLAYING "An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure."

[midnight mantle]

No problem, and my system may not be perfect but it just seems harder to abuse than this.

[novel glacier]

No they could be running all uniques. There was a limit on reasonably obtainable kit. With BIS blue not nearly to the same degree.

[onyx yew]

I think this idea keeps to the games identity, but what could replace it took make the game still feel accessible? @rich owl why does his logic not stand? @uneven ermine Its not that the game itself needs to be less Hardcore. its that it needs to be more accessible, and that naturally makes the game more casual. whats wrong with a lot of hardcore and a resonable amount of casual? I think its needed for beginners because early game almost always looks casual to seasoned Vets. I forgot how hard Monster hunter was for newbies myself.

[clever phoenix]

how much do mana sphere generally go for?

[warped raft]

they made the right decision by making a lobby for more casual players and a lobby for the more hard core, now there are choices and thats what it all comes down to. the gear stats will need to be ironed out to keep the normals from feeling like anyone in all blues represents the same problem as before cause they will run the lobbies. so as long as they work on that and make it a smaller gear gap i think it will be smooth. as of now since this patch the normal lobby is less hectic and more enjoyable and the fights last longer and have been such a blast. and if you want to go all out against some of the best and be more competitive you can throw on the big boy gear and have at it 🙂

[novel glacier]

There is absolutely nothing you can do against a ranger with BIS blue with half a brain. But if you have purps and higher you can actually stack PDR or or agi/ms or damage on throwing weapons.

[midnight mantle]

Exactly, you truly get it. The game needs to be accessible or it will not succeed on steam release with the casual playerbase. Has to appeal to both.

[rich owl]

How would it be reasonably obtainable kit if it's locked behind prices, just as blues are atm? The drop rate for blues is a lot higher than purples and getting uniques is not anywhere near easy. @onyx yew He's parting from the thought that normal maps are dominated by blue BiS gear, would it be different if purple are taken into account? Won't purple do the same to everyone else? The chances for whites to outplay purple is significant less than trying to outplay blues.

[uneven ermine]

so make a no gear requirement lobby and let nakeds play with nakeds. but we all know that wont fix it because the reality is you wanna be able to kill someone who put in work for their kit.

[novel glacier]

Yes it was different because there was actual counter play because you stack modifiers enough. Good luck with at best 50% PDR against a survival bow ranger zooming around the map doing 30 damage through pdr per shot.

[slender ravine]

how much do keys go for rn?

[brazen tinsel]

anyone have a guestimate of the next wipe? is it monthly?

[fervent ferry]

Rogues in full bis gear HR sitting in dark corners/ sitting on portals is beyond sad

[rich owl]

Good luck fighting the same ranger with purple gear instead of blues?

[midnight mantle]

With purples you can. You can stack damage reduction alongside your necessary stats.

[uneven ermine]

lol like theres much of a difference when you have no gear on

[novel glacier]

With 80% PDR and 60 damage throwing weapons I sure will.

[native verge]

While said ranger also starts stacking armor pen lul

[regal oasis]

Gear score is a joke, im glad its just a test just to shup up all the crying babies complaining about difficulty, once it fail they won't have argument anymore

[onyx yew]

I like the way you think Delver! Very clear and concise! If I had to raise a problem, I dont want players who perform at a high level to be capped by equal gear issues, so naturally i'd like to see more skill expression and knowledge requirements (about the game - like how stats work or what) @midnight mantle Yes! and I want it to succeed! its sucks phone games are the largest market by a wide margin, but facts are facts. @rich owl I see, you are right! how would it be different? frankly a faster stomping at most I think lol. but I am saying that in any context for any game. what do we do about this issue then?

[warped raft]

they will need to solve this by modifying the gear stats again and most likely again after that until its at a reasonable level and you wont have to worry about any class being able to become exponentially more powerful than another due to over-powered gear stats

[weak umbra]

you can hit 80% pdr with maxed rolls on blue gear and shield

[rich owl]

And they can stack physical damage or armor penetration or additional physical damage + stats + weapon damage. @novel glacier don't they ignore PDR anyways? What good would it do in the same scenario your stated?

[novel glacier]

Yeah but good luck rolling all of that. There are 2 modifiers for PDR and like 6 for damage. Its much easier to stack ranged damage.

Armor ignoring PDR again is 1 stat so odds are only 10ish damage avoids PDR even with BIS.

[weak umbra]

you can still out damage any ranger with crossbow and +wep dmg

[onyx yew]

For my Warlock its a pretty big deal. Has something changed to make it less important for rangers?

[rich owl]

So are they lucky they rolled all that on blues? Your logic doesn't stand brother.

[honest grotto]

is anyone else aware of the "brightness filter" you can use on your pc to literally see in the shadows?

[novel glacier]

I feel like you are the loser who plays regular gobo with BIS blues ranger.

[umbral lichen]

I wish they’d let me close the client while the games running. Ever since they switched to where you can’t this game is unplayable with the lag from running everything on my computer

[warped raft]

for whatever reason they seem to have not touched the ranger very much in ways of balancing, which leads me to believe they are going to really have something big in store for them perhaps with the release of the quivers we have been hearing about, im sure they are aware of the complaints due to how nasty they can be, look how long it took them the quell the rogue. this is a now problem and im sure it will be worked out

[onyx yew]

also lets not forget training. thats a whole avenue I think we all keep forgetting about. that could be a really unique way to balance out classes and gearscore / modifier issues. but im just throwing that out there. @novel glacier can we not get insulting. attacking the person instead of the argument is the same as admitting your loss. Id like to see your point from your perspective instead.

[subtle heart]

Why did they ruin bards again

[uneven ermine]

where is my wand for wizard wtf

[rich owl]

Actually i only play fighter since i find it easier to fight against rangers. But it seems i touched a nerve, have a nice day. By the way... your logic is seriously crippled.

[somber creek]

how do i fixe the issue where i cant go in normal even tho i dont have any epics or higher on me

[novel glacier]

My entire point is that regular is off way worse since they introduced the cap. There is 0 threat to certain BIS builds unlike before.
@onyx yew I would but hes not making a counter argument. Just your logic is wrong.

[warped raft]

you're a wizzzzzard arry !!!

[vagrant chasm]

Why is focus being consumed even without casting a skill?

[uneven ermine]

I wanna be a gryffondor wizard like harry potter!

[proper meteor]

Where can I get input on how much an item is worth?

[midnight mantle]

He doesn’t get that I can get full BIS blue Ranger set for 3k

[onyx yew]

Okay, how is it worse off in the short term, and the the long run? what would you propose fixes the issues that the cap aimed at taking down that would naturally return after it being reverted without one? also, I totally understand your frustraition, but dont lower yourself for anybody G.

[warped raft]

try smacking pve or another player with a wand HAHAHAHA 🙂 i guess it would be like trying to hit something with a spell book 😉

[snow badger]

Idk if you regularly kit up a lot but the market is absolute trash rn. Blues are going for as much or more than purples since people value them more so they can win reggie lobbies. Doesnt make sense

ALso, a 3 man that can afford optimized blues is still probably good enough to roll regular lobbies just like people in purps were.

[blazing sinew]

hotfix this gold coin purse nonsense, jesus christ.

[warped raft]

give it time, things will level out, they always do. in the meantime try something different, i have the most fun only using what i can find during play until i end up having a nice kit going, so much more rewarding then just buying my kits, plus it really lets you try out many different builds you would never have thought could be effective

[onyx yew]

Purps being less valuable than blues is always a problem in any game. but long term focused fixes are more important. Tell me if im wrong but, I think your point is that people can more easily afford to roll lobbies in blues? and its not really different from purple (aside from the fact purples do it faster) - from a gameplay experience point of view.

[snow badger]

Nah my point is the change doesnt do anything. If you really wanna be technical, it would actually be easier to afford blues and outplay purps BEFORE this change. Now everything is so pricy that I guarantee people getting rolled before are still getting rolled by people with enough cash

[onyx yew]

Okay. so the change doesnt do anything? so what do you propose? to keep or revert it? and why? and if you are feeling spry, what would you want to see long term from the change you propose?

[covert stirrup]

hello i would wondering if som1 can explaine me then : before the update we had more loot more gold and every stuff was super cheap and now we have less loot less gold and everything come from 50G +2 wep damage now its 400G pice lol

[lofty ruin]

any solution to i cant enter the dungeon. remove all the items higher than rare!

[warped raft]

it sounds more like you have a problem with making money to afford the better gear or have trouble finding better gear than with getting rolled by better gear. are you playing more than one main and have found one that is way better at making you gold and funneling it to who you enjoy playing most?

[snow badger]

Remove weapon dmg. Literally that alone makes outplaying people with money 100 times easier.

@warped raft Not even close. Im rolling high roller GC and making hella cash. Im saying if I want reggie caves rn I could eat anyone I wanted alive with blue gear, it would just be more expensive blue fear than before

[thorn rivet]

please message me some trrade discords ill give u free gear

[onyx yew]

alright, and how would helping people outplay each other with money be helpful the the long term health of the game? how would it compare with skill growth and skill expression? @warped raft lets be positive and see where it goes. you never know!

[warped raft]

ok so you dont like that its more expensive to go seal clubbing ? or am i missing something else here ?

[snow badger]

You are missing my entire point yeah. Its literally the same price to do the same things just with blues, which makes the in game economy suck because now even greens are expensive. FOr people like me, whatever. For casuals? Nothing has changed its just more expensive lol

@onyx yew And Im confused here. It helps the game because the whole point of putting a gear cap is to remove people from rolling lobbies. You dont need gear cap, just make the game more skill based and less gear based

[onyx yew]

and there it is! things are too expensive!

[marble tangle]

A lot of people want it to be gear based. They want to see big numbers when they hit the damage dummy in pre-game lobbies. They want to spend a lot of gold on perfect sets of gear, and then 1-tap people.

[snow badger]

If thats all you got out of everything I said, then idk how to even continue conversing

[warped raft]

maybe in your perspective, to me and mine though i feel its been a huge change in the entire atmosphere of the regs since they made this change, so far i have not seen anyone in blues just running the lobbies and i can now run basic gear if i want and still be able to put up a fight or in the least defend myself better should i decide to bust myself down to private and start over. i do get what you are saying though for anyone of your caliber and how it may look to you compared to someone who is not playing for those reasons

[bright ravine]

why i cant start with coin bag 😦

[marble tangle]

Bug (most likely). I expect it'll be changed in the next hotfix.

[snow badger]

I mean... I havent seen lobbies without people rocking full blues but if thats your experience more power to you. With how bad the econ is right now for people who are actually buying gear tho, dont expect the change to stick.

[brazen mirage]

How does one get rid of empty gold pouches.

[broken dome]

Drop them in HR

[onyx yew]

while I niether agree or disagree with the gearscore, its purpose isnt for the high skill players so much as its for entry and casuals. Not to mential people do (i personally dont care that much but i like looting. Im more of a ability looter, less number looter. Like DnD item skills). - No that is not all I got out of what you said, but that IS what you rounded it all down to that answer. You yourself did not include how removing weapon dmg is the fix other than that it "literally makes outplaying people with money 100 times easier" - then jumped to the game economy sucking because greens are expensive too? how am i suppose to connect these points for you? rather - am i suppose to do it, or arnt you suppose to make your point clear? right - to include, I do not mean any of this in a negative light. just inquisitively

[robust mica]

You same idiots that held the line are killing the game. Teamers somehow queuing together in normals with BiS blues. Gathering hall is dead on a weekend night. ggs

[warped raft]

the economy was in no better shape before this patch imo so its not really a fair assessment to make on that basis alone, plus after any patch there is a pattern of economy spikes due to everyone adjusting to what is going to be worth more and lets not forget the trading post is def not the best example of how any economy should work and will hopefully be fundamentally changed in the future for the better of us all

[rich owl]

The economy should stablize and if it doesn't is because some (or most) are following it along. Blues have a higher drop rate and people are just taking advantage (god knows i have) of the situation. When the market gets flooded of blue gears people will compete by lowering prices... hopefully.

[keen silo]

As opposed to running all that except purple. Yes, of course, what an improvement that would be.

[snow badger]

Between this game and my many hours in Tarkov, once its been like 2 days, thats just how the market it. So blues are the new purple prices.

@onyx yew Simple concept here. If you cant outplay a team in purple gear because they have the gold to afford it, how can you outplay a team in blue gear when you also dont have the money to afford that with how the new prices are. My suggestion is to remove dmg because that is the main stat that makes most fights feel pretty unwinnable. Gear rarity DOES NOT enable rangers to 1 tap heads. WEAPON DMG does.

[warped raft]

😂

[limber verge]

Your profile says: "ur mad cuz bad ezz lol"

[robust mica]

Your next ban is perma so

[onyx yew]

awesome reply! I hope the devs notice it! but what can we do with the dmg removed? It has to go somewhere? or does it? any thoughts! This questions for anyone included!

[quiet blaze]

hey, some feedback: new traders suck. limited stock is reta

[warped raft]

we have a gathering hall ?

[snow badger]

Nah it doesnt. Both times it was removed the fights felt the best. No mages half healthing with zaps, no ranger 1 taps, no barb 1 taps, etc. You just stack attributes to up dmg. And this way, it doesnt make crappy purples literally useless (Because you cant run them in regular and you cant run them in HR because they suck and dont make the cut) and the econ isnt screwed

[orchid crystal]

is a grimsmile neck with +1 all, +2 Weapon Damage, and +10 armor worth crafting?

[icy pulsar]

Petition to get an offhand cast for cleric

[warped raft]

felt the best for those who can play the game all day and sit on the best gear forever because they have that time and as for the rest, they were just fodder that collected loot for you

[keen silo]

While this patch was an excellent step in the right direction, it's definitely true that modifiers like weapon damage and all stats could stand to be looked at as well, yes. Rarity matters and makes a difference, but gear has revolved around those a bit too much.

[rapid vapor]

Is judgement bugged? I just tested it on a dummy and it always shows 39 damage

[last oriole]

how much support is there for removing the circle/dark swarm? I feel like the game might be better without it (still keep portal spawns as is and die after a set time)

[dense grove]

Depends on who you ask

[onyx yew]

I see your point. Thank you! I think the only thing I'd worry about after this, is maybe the loss of a sense of progression? lets say the dmg stays capped and doesnt go higher than what you have proposed right? I still think something needs to take its place, though not take its operation, otherwise people will think "oh no they nerfed me again. I mean some form of progression that matters, but not in the direct dmg department. I dont think im being concise, but I hope you get what I mean

[warped raft]

never trust a dummy....buckle your seatbelt

[onyx yew]

Oh! I have an idea, What if, through trainning, you unlock new or better attack patterns for melee weapons. dont ask me to think of anything for mages.

[primal zephyr]

if they remove added damage they need to up wizards dmg a bit, he already has around 20 will while the soft cap is 25 so he barely gets damage from it

[icy pulsar]

Anyone else feel like a warlock with full buffs shouldn't 1 shot anything in damage redux and high def gear? Cause that shi cray. warlock with full wiz and bard buffs comes running in and 1 shot everyone on our 3 man team in decent gear lol (2 clerics and a fighter)

[trail wraith]

Whats going on with this high roller teaming shit in GC, every game there's like a ''duo''

[warped raft]

2v1 = better odds 😉

[robust mica]

You know why the game is like this? Because it was a scrapped project that was stolen lol. Also, the base characters are freaking TRASH just buff them and add subclass loadouts

[trail wraith]

Both of these ''duo'' would be stacked and run down lobby...

[icy pulsar]

No? Guess I am the only one

[steel crescent]

how do i get rid of my gold coin purses now? nobody wants em for free? and cant take them in

[warped raft]

yea that sucks and sadly as long as they did not plan this ahead of time and our only using in game comms there isnt much to be done at that point, although i think it would be rather hard to get into the same GC as someone else with as many players are queuing in, so the chances it was premeditated in that way are slim

[robust mica]

This game was designed to be pay to win AF but they stole the nexon project and took out the micro transactions. The balancing factor was always meant to be players’ credit cards. It’s so obvious

[narrow geyser]

When you're trading people try to sneak in a few empties

[rich owl]

This guy is evil below scammer levels but getting there.

[trail wraith]

Idk about the High Rollers queue being many players queuing as i only do HR and it takes a good full timer to have players in depending on the servers

[warped raft]

i do not play HR very much so i can not be sure there, i remember way back the queues were longer so im not sure how they are now, best i could say then is clip it and send in a report and see if they can figure it out, they said they were implementing ways of telling if players are doing this so put that to the test

[icy pulsar]

I wish that for HR that the spawns were a little more random. I did 4 today and got the same spot each time

[vivid bay]

Crazy double lag spike while fighting a red archer awesome

[nocturne walrus]

PLSSSSSS fix the rubberbanding for the love of god

[sick tapir]

When fighting giant spiders, is there any way to avoid their poison attack in melee range? It launches so fast, that moving to the side, or jumping, crouching, look-dodging, or any of the above doesn't seem to work.

[vivid bay]

is there an attack rn or sum whys game suddenly so shit rn?

[unique ibex]

bruh how do i get rid of my coin bags??? cant bring em in, cant sell em. Suggestions?

[vapid oyster]

make more money lmao

[sudden aspen]

You can Dodge it by staying at mid distance and just jump strafing as soon as it shoots
@sick tapir

[vivid bay]

u can just give em to me 😋

[unique ibex]

bet meet me in fighters barracks. SirLancesAl0t is my name

[modest sonnet]

who wants coin bags?

[flat brook]

are mimics cranked? Just did crypts, and had 4 mimics in the first two rooms we were in. haha

[sick tapir]

mimic rates feel like a randomized setting per map, not sure though
I've had times where there's no mimics, then other times where I killed over 10 mimics in a single map

[noble cradle]

Why cant you bring coin bags into normal games wtf

[quiet blaze]

is everybody running esp now? cheaters are full out of control.

[pseudo hemlock]

Bug

[pulsar galleon]

I can't believe they haven't added the creature yet

[heavy shoal]

What is volcanic ash used for?

[dense grove]

Not a bug the announcements SPECIFICALLY say they increased the gold coin container rarity

I'm not sure if that's a specific one but that means they for sure know what the grades of the coin purses are too since they thought to increase a different container as well.

[vapid cedar]

Best way is to go into hr spend the 75 gold on goblin and drop them and try and make it out lol

[unique ibex]

lol yeah thanks

[dense grove]

Because they're unique grade iirc

[wraith mason]

people who pretend to ally with you and then kill you are genuinely the lowest of the low

[limber badge]

I know this diddly feelerino

[limber verge]

just dont ally with someone and you wont have that problem.

[blissful briar]

do headshots ignore PDR?

[wraith mason]

what a bleak outlook on the experience at whole.

Its not even a maneouver where I think "damn, they got me, I was outplayed" but rather, "this is a low quality person"

[tardy sandal]

Nope, just deals 150% damage

[obtuse pumice]

imagine if we had an AH so you dident have to waste 30 min every time you die, and they wonder why people dont go to HR

[cyan basalt]

is there alot to loot in the red down portal places

[limber verge]

It's a solo game mode, I believe the entire concept of "teaming" with someone should be frowned upon. I imagine ironmace takes their blasé stance on it simply based on the fact that they cannot police every single goblin caves lobby

[limber badge]

Yes, but it can be dangerous if you're fresh to it

[limber verge]

You don't "have" to.

[obtuse pumice]

yeah let me just go to HR with my grey daggers, im sure thats gonna be fun

[plush canopy]

Yooo does anyone know how to fix the glitch when you can’t load into a game because it says you have too high of gear when u don’t?

[lofty arch]

Gold pouch

[plush canopy]

Thank u!!!

[nocturne walrus]

uh... whole server rubberbanded me and guy were frozen but could talk, and a rogue just killed me and another guy while we were frozen. Is this lag switching?....

[fervent badger]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LET US SELL OUR GOLD BAGS TO TRADERS OR JUST TRASH THEM

[fallow basin]

does stacking magic damage on the rogues poison ability add damage? cuz i added +4 true magic damage on my set and it did nothin

[outer sparrow]

Avatar Customization on this Game would go hard lmao

[warm venture]

a goblin rogue

[outer sparrow]

I was talking more about facial hair/hair itself. Maybe scars, not that it matters too much since its to dark to see what people have either way, but id be cool

[peak crypt]

It has really bad scaling. Also low will makes it scale lower.

[thick warren]

Yea I think you need 5/10 will to get magic damage to do the right damage

[warm venture]

yeha I know I was joking but that'd be cool tho getting rid of that bowl cut on fighter male

[rich owl]

Steam provides their own server and security measures... but yeah, i think?

[warped raft]

2nd match tonight and im killed by a wizard that could see me while invis lol so pathetic, cancer would be too good for you

[limber verge]

That's a bit unhinged

[warped raft]

so are people who cheat

[real python]

can you still get second wind back from campfires

[sly stream]

You should

[warm venture]

yes from white or high tier campfires. Grey campfires will almost get your second wind back but that's it

[clever breach]

so can i just not join normal goblin caves with green armor?

[fallow basin]

you have gold or gold bags on you

[modest canyon]

how do i fix the bug where silver coins dont sell

[clever breach]

thanks youuu - gold bag it was hah

[rich owl]

exit the merchant and go back in and try again.

[toxic pollen]

anyone wanna run some duos tonight?

[spiral nova]

Q: wow is there a hack/cheat that the moment when someone engages you your screen freezes but only keyboard and mouse and you watch the engager stabb you and you cant do anything but watching him?(so basically screen doesnt freeze but your movement ability/ keyboard and mouse) just happened to me WTF? right after i was dead i could use controls again

[tardy sandal]

They were probably ddosing the server to get free kills, if it happens again just report whoever kills you since only the cheater moves during that

[wraith mason]

You know why they call it the Ruins? its ruined by how many people farm gold ore in full blue BiS 🙂

[limber verge]

So they were right huh, people would complain about blues after they took out purples and legendaries.

[tardy sandal]

Ruins is such a poorly designed map

[crystal sedge]

worse update by far. I feel like it just gets worse and worse

[pallid bloom]

@limber verge theyll always complain lol. they want pve not pvp

[raven quarry]

once enough of the BiS blues are lost to the dark it'll quiet down I bet

[topaz sonnet]

Can someone help me ? my game is freezing in the middle of the game, it freezes out of nowhere

[silver escarp]

Best update they've yet done imo, game is finally playable and pvp enjoyable past the first week of a wipe for those who don't want to devote all their free time to the game

[limber verge]

It never took that long to make a little gold and buy a purple or two. Or to even get your own.

[tender wedge]

who asked

[limber verge]

Game discussion channel. Leave if you don't want to discuss things. Strange you say, "who asked" when you weren't even the person I was replying to, lmao. Blocked, low quality poster.

[pallid bloom]

add hr to ruins/duos and id say update is a win

[static yacht]

I feel like they should get rid of the closing circle and make the exit portal spawn throughout the whole map. Forcing PVP I think can demotivate people trying to get gear or start a new character.

[gleaming blade]

wh3en is the next wipe?

[mossy tartan]

anyone else else have that issue? Just escaped from a match with a ton of things and ended up with nothing? even though i survived?

[vapid arch]

Because people should go naked when farming one of the most expensive and contested materials in the game

[last oriole]

why do the portals not show in the center/last or second to last circle? Extraction shooter and you get punished by battle royale storm that doesn't even have a way out in the final area

[crystal sedge]

loot in the map should force PvP, not a BR circle.
such a shitty and lazy mechanic

[brave storm]

anyone feel like with this new update purples going for cheaper then ever?

[orchid quartz]

🤓 with maxed blues i am the top dog no one will have better loot. maybe theres someone in there equal with me but i have no worries anymore of running into giga chad squads the quote theres always someone badder out there is no longer true i am the baddest one out there. and i used a word this channel did not like but im glad you found such offence to how long it took me to type back glad the bullies are giving you ptsd. really shows how much you need to be protected and shielded from real life. 🤓

[dull yarrow]

great, you cannot take coin purses to normal goblin caves xd

[tender wedge]

🐒

[cold talon]

Hot take: fighters should not be able to use bows. I get crossbows but even then i feel like only windlass it’s insane that they can be one of the strongest melee classes. Have great move speed with sprint. A self heal. And be able to shoot just as fast as a ranger and do just as much damage from range as they close the gap to you

[sand zenith]

Yes removing the circle and slowing down the pace allowing people to camp and prolonging games for hours sounds like a great mechanic. Totally wouldn't affect how fast you get back into game and especially as a new player how your opinion on dying is, knowing how long it takes to get in and out of games.

[earnest carbon]

Torture Mastery not working with Curse of Pain randomly, any ideas?

[rare venture]

Play wizard.

[orchid quartz]

they need to nerf bard more

[grand flower]

TAKE CROSS BOW AWAY FROM FIGHTER

[tardy sandal]

They hear people asking for bard nerfs and don’t even check what makes the bard strong and just nerf everything he does

[cold talon]

Take all bow away from fighter

[warm rune]

Take bows out of the game period

[odd shard]

leave the bard with 4 fingers in each hand

[gusty narwhal]

what is the stat priority for rogue nowadays?

[last oriole]

You can set a hard timer, and reorient extractions to still force players to points of interest. It's a dungeon crawler not runner/fortnite adhd. I play hunt showdown with a 40min timer and it's fine

[pulsar galleon]

I got a lot of problems with you people, now, you're gonna hear about it

[eager oracle]

there needs to be a way to save up to have a stockpile of whites of a few base pieces of gear you're always using. I always want a war maul, lightfoot boots, and riveted gloves. the only alternative would be having multiple accounts and selling myself the base loot whenever i need it

[cold talon]

This is what i have been telling people is wrong with this patch. People in BIS blues don’t have to be scared of shit anymore they can just W key any team they see. At least before they would have to be cautious entering a fight and the grey team might be able to land a couple of spells but now they just rush because it’s physically impossible for someone else to be better geared

[orchid quartz]

shops should always sell everything(weapon,armor) as a base loot tbh I don't get why they don't just do this

[sand zenith]

Getting into a hunt game takes a while comparativly and in hunt the looting is a lot less. The reason to stay in a game is because of the bounty tokens and when they're taken the game forces you to leave. Both games have timers and want you to get back into game as fast as possible to keep queues moving.

[warm rune]

There's really not much of difference between bis blue and purple it doesn't make a difference.

[last oriole]

I cannot recommend this game to others until the swarm/circle is removed

[brazen crest]

stupid question but driving me crazy: how can i make sure trade fees are always deducted from the troll pelt bag?

[cold talon]

That’s what I’m saying. Before u could afford a couple of shit purples for 200-300 gold and be a threat to the bis blue team but now there is no shot of that unless you spend thousands of gold

[orchid quartz]

now change "blues" with "purple" and it's still the same except blue stats are a bit lower
the fact is they're trying to see what will make people go play HR instead of just farming nakeds in normal that's why they're trying to add soft gear matchmaking

[sand zenith]

Its a dungeon crawler PvPvE, it is not just a PvE game where you can avoid everyone and the circle makes sure of that and keeps the games moving.

[warm rune]

Greens were better then shit purples so now you lost me. You always had to spend a lot on "bis". Nobody was running perfect triple roll purples it was 1-2 rolls that were good. Greens and blues are just as good as purples with the same rolls.

[civic maple]

does magical power increase clerics healing amount
?

[cold talon]

Well maybe 1 good stay purple. But even 1 good stat purple weapon is doing 7-10 more damage per hit to those bis blue guys. That means a lot. But what I’m saying is 2 good stay purples last patch were probably 200g but they had slightly higher base stats which can help make up for the difference to BIS blue. But 2 okay stat blues still don’t stand a chance against BIS

[urban violet]

@frigid vector was that you in goblin caves? The barbarian?

[warm rune]

Purps only roll 1-2 damage higher then blues? Armor its like 1 rating point

[quick sonnet]

Hey guys,k new here, how do i change my spells are acleric?? in match i only see 2..

[torpid dirge]

So can u not go into normal dungeons with blues?

[last oriole]

does escape from tarkov have a storm?

[craggy dagger]

trade them to someone

[hybrid sundial]

lmfao

[unkempt marsh]

can anyone tell me what is better for wizard, will or magicl power?

[karmic thicket]

High Tier Armor, Possibly Trinkets Should be changed so the main difference between Epic & Grey is % rather than +

More specifically in SubStats that give Alternates to +1ALL,+STR for example
10% Physical healing
15% Magical Interaction speed
10% Regular Interaction speed
5% Equip speed

TLDR:
Armors should still have +stats just the focus on % Stats preferable SubStats as the Diff for Tiers of loot

[civic maple]

Does will increase the cleric healing amount? if not, what does?

[warm rune]

Somebody in the exact same armor and weapons. One blue and one purp. The purp dude gets like 2 weapon damage and 10 armor rating it doesn't make much of a difference.

[sand zenith]

Yeah we should base our changes off a game with twenty different queues, long games, and instant ttk. Very comparable.

[weak chasm]

Magical healing lol

[last oriole]

you said there HAS to be a storm because it's a pvpve game

[sand zenith]

Tarcov also has notoriously long queue times.

[warm rune]

Thats a server issue. Tarkov has really shitty servers.

[sand zenith]

I think it has a lot to do with queue dillution and slow games but sure I guess that could play a part?

[karmic thicket]

But like what functionality does the storm have past funneling any surviving players to a small area for slaughter
Idk bout tarkov but we also have a notable difference in stats between gear in THIS game so
I'd rather have a longer queue, than No people playing at all cause they struggle to escape AND Fight**

[warm rune]

Theres a lack of servers compared to the playerbase so you are sitting in a queue waiting for the game. Its not lack of players.

[daring wedge]

Just join the oceania region, we get heaps of lobbies 🌛

[undone talon]

can we get a real gear score please

[warm rune]

This game needs a big content dump to get people interested or the game is gonna be dead when there is more maps/queue. @daring wedge Dirty cheaters.

[quick sonnet]

Voip not fucking work? jesus fuck everyone so quick to murder.

[rapid vapor]

Is it possible to kill the troll in basekit gear without being rogue or warlock? Or will it just take too long

[cold talon]

I guess my main point is 2 things: 1 the gear based lobby’s only made challenging the BIS teams more expensive to do, it did not slow down pump stomping in the slightest, people just complained before when they saw someone was wearing purple cause it’s purple. 2. Normals lobby’s are now just showing what classes are insane with scaling mid tier loot, wizards, rangers, and rogues. It makes the classes that need more gear to feel powerful pretty shitty.

[mental halo]

Please fix empty gold bag being considered Purplke ++

[undone talon]

this game is doomed with out better gear based match making

[daring wedge]

Haha its early access bro chill, full release aint even on the radar. stop stressing bout playerbase, balance, etc

[warm rune]

Its not worth the time on anything but warlock.

[karmic thicket]

With how gear has been for long time now you gotta wait to build it up to make a powerful kit
Possibly getting killed before getting out
After you do actually accumulate it you die to someone whos had practice in combat due to your avoidance of such

Not rambling about anything new tho Tbh these issues have always been there just not utilized or realized how bad til we saw? Or a stat patch not sure
Tbf tho its not actually as hard to make a kit as people claim Just sell spares

[pulsar galleon]

thank goodness we have such bright minds working tirelessly to deliver these takes

[karmic thicket]

??

The weapon dmg, Build up, or Malgeo & xTRNT discussion?

[vivid pendant]

he means too many crying ass hos

[sterile marten]

g*59

[karmic thicket]

We're in a channel called Game Discussion, People are actually giving a reason to their argument here
Wouldn't call that crying unlike the storm that is general chat

[twilit pasture]

Is purple gear now suddenly worth less than good greens/blues on trade?

[warm rune]

Yeah they may aswell be worthless

[vivid pendant]

oh there's plenty of crying/whining in this channel as well, everywhere really

[karmic thicket]

#📢announcements message
Last On Patch Notes:

[pulsar galleon]

that's not an answer to his question. he already knows about that change, and is stating that blues/greens would apparently be in higher demand. great work

[twilit pasture]

I'm not intentionally trolling.
It makes sense the changes are experimental.
Having a hard time selling decent gear is all.

[karmic thicket]

Until you give an example of recent discussion I'd say your more crying at this point
should go play the game and ignore said whiners
afterall it is the internet my dude

@pulsar galleon That change would be the answer to Why the gear is more expensive

[pulsar galleon]

🗣️ 🧱

[crystal sedge]

so fun now after last shit update, regular map, ppl in BiS blues, go to HR.... ppl are BiS too. cool, ill check the game when i dont have to sweat on every single match now

[restive frost]

idk the games in a such a weird and bad place rn like the only blues in goblin caves does nothing its still imposible for new players to get a start really its just fucked

[vivid pendant]

examples just flow like water

[orchid quartz]

idk maybe it's just me but I think new players should play in a group until they have a good grasp on how the game works
goblin is punishing if you get hit compared to skellys

[rich owl]

Most of the times i wish you could confirm who bought the game in this chat. I feel like there's a bunch of people repeating the same thing someone else said just as precisely as the original comment.

[restive frost]

goblin caves is just fighting goblin archers all game and like one player not that great anymore

[trim sentinel]

i shid my pant

[pulsar galleon]

devs can't even get this guy some new pants what is this game coming to

[cloud venture]

guys what is price of 1key rn also what is price of mystical gem

[keen silo]

yeah man there's like zero difference between regular pants and shat pants just remove the gear cap guys it'll be fine I swear

[pulsar galleon]

for all we know they could be BiS shid pants

[twilit pasture]

Although it may seem strict, reducing the item cap to green quality and making blues or higher scarce in normal dungeons might be healthier for separating the matchmaking.
The 100g entry fee is definitely doable but I feel like reducing it to 50(cave) and 75(crypts) would incentivize more people to play that mode, especially if blues become available where you can start really building your stats.
By limiting the normal pool to greens, you can get a taste of beneficial gear without getting overly imbalanced, and progressing to high roller feels more rewarding

[vivid pendant]

you're a few patches late on the reduced cost, didn't change anything except for the fact that there were mostly naked rogues in HR

[rich owl]

Doubt this will work but it depends on dev's. The reason i believe it won't work is because blues get shit on by purples, imagine struggling to get blue gear just to go to high roller, lose money on the entrance fee and losing your gear on top of that. Plus breaking even is not assured from sellables in HR and avg profit of 150g with just treasures. With current patch at least you can get blues on normals and have a decent chance on extracting while still getting the feeling of getting stronger.

[twilit pasture]

Aside from the other rogue issues at that time, yes it got a lot more engagement even if many people were going in naked

[eager oracle]

every time i try to play a high roller match, there are rouges and rangers camping the center circle. they have no obligation to loot the map, they just wait in silence completely kitted to kill another player, grab the portal and go away. it's hard to counter something that has no tasks required of it with such high movement speed and skills made to be stealthy and fast, when the game is balanced around movement speed.

the regular lobbies are a bit better but not much has changed. now all good loot is reserved for rangers and rouges kitted in almost full purples in gobbo caves.

[cold talon]

I personally thought the game felt it’s best before hotfix. Hope it gets reversed

[terse crystal]

bro people actually out here using esp

[tender wedge]

🐒 🍌

[limber verge]

careful, if you say you like trade here you will get attacked.

[eager oracle]

i have no desire to go out with more than a ragtag of greens and whites in HR because I know a rouge or ranger that doesnt intend to open a single chest is going to take it from me in the first 2 minutes, 50% chance

and no excitement to finding purples because i cant use them in normal lobby

[terse crystal]

Honestly the game aint fun no more . Same people running down lobbies over and over . People buying gold to get bis . People using esp to know where people are. Its going down hill for sure

Gob cave is the only thing that is fun anymore honestly

[ornate crystal]

Skill issue

[thorn frost]

what idiot thought it was a good gameplay feature to make you sit in the lobby and wait for potions to restock like genuinly

[empty compass]

is therea price check channel?

[icy mulch]

What is the channel for making suggestions? As a newbie, I would like the merchants selling bandages and healing potions to restock their inventory more quickly and offer lower prices. We are playing as a pair, and we have to wait a long time for the healing items to replenish because we don't have enough gold.

[terse crystal]

Lol best thing i herd all day. Skill issue is lack of explanation. If that is all you can say about the subject then shut yo smergle self up. Go touch grass

[eager oracle]

ur missing the concept of that, intended feature. you either pay more money to go back in and queue faster, or you wait. if you queue faster, you are making more money clearing more rounds while others wait for stuff to restock like you.

[ornate crystal]

triggered by two words

[deft cloud]

Games not new player friendly at all. It's an undisputed fact. Game will retain this sweat niche player base. May or may not be enough to keep it going.

But there's been no effort on devs part to address it.

[terse crystal]

Wish i was triggered cause then i would actually care

[trim ravine]

Games not new player friendly at all. It's an undisputed fact.
It's not supposed to be. Git gud or go home.

[limber verge]

The game is advertised as hardcore. Not new player friendly means what? They have to learn the game before feeling rewarded?

[ornate crystal]

Skill
Issue

[vivid pendant]

they've stated they don't want to baby new players too much, numerous times
they are already babying newbies too much lol

[terse crystal]

The Devs are doing things but just cranking the switch to far right and too far left

[icy mulch]

I don't believe that resetting the healing cooldowns more frequently will make the game stop being niche (it would only help new players). And a game that makes the player 'wait' is a game that is losing both players and money (a mistake that I don't think Ironmace will make). So, is there a channel for making suggestions?

[eager oracle]

i think you'd have to post on the forums if you google for the dark and darker forums. but make no mistake it's not meant to be a new friendly player game, and not all profit is driven by newer players, see WoW with people buying microtransactions that have been playing for 10 years

[little fog]

IRONMACE needs to fix tranquility for bard only healing

[terse crystal]

they should increase healing while in rest ... since you have to sit now

[hearty dust]

I don't even play bard but bards should heal the same as right now except it should heal unrecoverable health

[little fog]

100% drippy dealer. But only for bard? Make it make sense that my team can recover all their recoverable and I can’t

[nocturne walrus]

zone speed is way too fast, if you spawn outside of the zone you literally cant loot anything in HR, just have to clear mobs asap and run

[terse crystal]

You aint lying there . Deff need to fix spawns and mob density

[icy mulch]

World of Warcraft has been dying for years, and there's no way to reverse it. Any reasonable video game company wants to attract more people and then keep them playing consistently (that's why making the player 'wait' doesn't understand the industry). Are you part of the staff or just players who really like the game?

[fading helm]

when can we expect next wipe

[little fog]

sounds like a skull issue lol

[unkempt flare]

i feel it is genuenly not fun to play anymore with this loot nerf

i simply canot go on any class than bard and rouge to make some proper money

what if all classes just havea lockpicking perk ? or just make it without the need of one ? , i feel this will make the other perks useless butr simply they are not neede when everyone just can do it .

what you guys think of this idea ?

[keen willow]

four capes teaming in ruins really fun love getting rushed by a wizard warlock rogue and ranger

[lofty arch]

Lol bad idea

[cyan venture]

how the fuck do i get rid of coin purses now

[gritty flume]

Once again back to complain about ai. Ranged ai shooting through walls if they're right on it. Skull bats fly through you for some reason and get you stuck because they surround you. Spider surfing is absolutely ridiculous. For some reason you can't consistently strafe crossbow skeletons and that means sometimes you just take 70% damage. Game needs ai fixes and changes soon

[topaz cloud]

anyone else getting crazy lag in game ?

[hearty dust]

Spent an hour in trade channels unable to play the game or be forced to vendor epic items. This is the worst trade system I have ever experienced in a game

[still abyss]

@topaz cloud no haven’t played in weeks 😂

[fast steeple]

what is the best class for first time players

[little fog]

what price are you selling them at?

[lofty arch]

There’s not really a lot of problems with the ai though? Maybe density but that’s it. Skeleton archers shooting at walls helps you with timing hits between shots. Crossbow skeletons are harder to strafe because they’re using a crossbow…. A weapon that’s a lot faster than a bow. I guess spider surfing is a thing but is that really an issue to complain about?

[grizzled adder]

kinda agree that building economy ( somewhere else than HR ) is so hrad when you're not a rogue or a bard , and the prices or farming of lockpicks is kinda stupid for what they do

[hearty dust]

cheap. Couldn't sell a rare felling axe with +4 power and +1 weapon damage for 30g....took 10 minutes. Took 20 minutes trying to clear 3 warlock items all 3 +1 all and + magical damage. This trade systme is a joke. Buyers are very rare in trade as 90% of the players are sellers. We need an auction house to dump and play the game

[keen willow]

got killed by four capes teaming in ruins getting gold for selling in real money transactions we need permas on teaming asap

[pulsar pebble]

Or....it could be that buyers have entire stashes of gear and gold with alt characters acting as banks. They loot drops were pretty high for like a week. Most steady players have entire stashes of backup gear

[lofty arch]

Cause you most definitely saw them selling gold for real life money. Or most likely you’re just making up stuff to complain

[gritty flume]

Through walls. Not at walls, they shoot directly through them if they're close enough. Crossbow skeletons aren't just harder to strafe, you have to be at their maximum aggro distance or you WILL get hit 1/4-5 times. Naked rogue cannot consistently strafe them any amount closer than their max range, i literally just tested it. I think the noobs just don't know better and the other players are too juiced to care. But I like doing zero to hero and the ai experience is very bad

[radiant dome]

Why doesn't Holy Light heal people in Goblin Cave?

[hearty dust]

I often have to vendor rares and epics and when killing players I don't even loot anything other than +weapon damage or +magical healing because it just takes me away from playing. I'm was forced to start buying candy corn just to save space. The logical way to save space is locked behind the fucking troll pelt which makes no sense.

@pulsar pebble Yeah I get that. Doesn't mean the system in place is intelligent in any way. I just wiped 3 players in full rare gear in caves. Looted ONE item. This game loses its "looter" tag once you fill your stash. It's pathetic.

[bitter citrus]

probably fighter. They are pretty easy to play and kind of introduce you to a bunch of playstyles. Use weapon mastery. That will let you use any weapon. Just use whatever the best weapon is that you pick up. Sprint and Second Wind are good get out of jail free cards. You can also use crossbows and should.

[fringe ember]

What does the old rusty key do?

[fast steeple]

can you only use one class

[keen willow]

there are dozens of players teaming in ruins and goblin caves farming for gold for cash trade reported by many many players but your toxic attitude automatically assumes someone is lying for no reason lol get unbent

[lofty arch]

I mean crossbow skeletons are one of the easiest to kill though, I can’t comprehend how it’s an issue. You literally bait one shot and rush him with 2 hits to the head while he’s doing the slowest reload animation in the game. I’ve also never come across AI shooting through walls besides prison walls (the ones with holes in them)

[pulsar pebble]

Yea but AH systems arent without their issues too though. The second they add that to the game, the buyout scripts will go live and you might be able to sell stuff easier. But you wont be beating some bot to anything priced correctly. Itll be tarky AH all over. Spamming refresh and getting "already bought msgs" for 5 minz lol

@lofty arch AI can shoot through walls if the model is right against the wall. The weapon pokes through the geometry and the arrow/bolt doesnt get stopped by the wall. But i only see it once like every 50 raids lol. No idea how other people see it often enough to be upset by jt

[bitter citrus]

no you can have 1 of each class.

[eager oracle]

there are definitely already bots in the trade chat for certain gear

[blazing wagon]

has anyone else experienced the game completely freezing in the middle of games causing you to loose all your stuff???

[gritty flume]

The crossbow skeleton punishes you 2-3x as hard for a slight mis-step compared to any rival mob. I'm not saying it's broken overpowered, but it is by definition unbalanced compared to other mobs. You're forced to use terrain to fight it effectively, while it does easily twice as much damage at double the projectile speed. It's nuts man

[lofty arch]

Yup and where’s your proof of that? You saw the people you died to selling stuff for real money? You’re just one of many who sprinkles some fantasy with your complaints to desperately gain some credibility.

[hearty dust]

I have NEVER had an issue with tarkov items in the AH with 8 wipes played. The only things that get bought out instantly are quest items which is its own issue. At least in tarkov you aren't forced to play the AH to PLAY THE GAME. In tarkov you build your own kits from scratch or through trades. It's ridiculous to even compare tarkov to dark and darker if it had an AH. The AH in this would be closer to wows AH. people would undercut each other until certain things would consistently sell at certain pricing as each type of item is needed. It's a no brainer. This system is trash for good players and forces them to either store on alts (which is RIDICULOUS) or simply not play the game for hours a day

[keen willow]

lol you are so toxic and angry i saw their names, player composition and inventories mainly full of treasures and made a very very accurate deduction based on numerous player experiences and you are just a jerk yelling at ppl who are trying to make the game better

[zenith cave]

Anybody know if you can increase the render distance for players or mobs?

I like watching them from the tower, like little ants

[pulsar pebble]

Yea thats the key detail though. 8 wipes. Means you never saw it before found in raid was a thing. Lol. Back when they didnt have that mechanic, people would buyout all the top ammo, relist it for 5x the price and literally run the economy into the dirt with bots. Found in raid was partially added to help curb it. Lol

[uncut ferry]

anyone else getting right click ghost inputs? its only doing it in this game i have no issue in any other games

[lofty arch]

You aren’t trying to make the game better though lol. Be honest in your complaints instead of complaining with your “deductions” and maybe you’d be helping. You’d be surprised how easy it is to get gold in this game and I have a feeling you automatically assume most people buy/sell gold with real money. A person trying to make gold by having their inventory full of sellables makes them a gold seller? Lol you’re silly

[hearty dust]

I took breaks in between...Yes I experienced that. Even when that was happening.....you weren't forced to AH to play the game. You could still go in with lesser ammo and leg meta or head/eyes regardless of any ammo you used (since it was glitched). Again, dark and darker economy and trade system is complete and utter ass.

[fallow loom]

Just want to throw out some positive vibes and feedback to the Devs. In my experience, the gear gate has GREATLY improved gameplay. The dungeons are challenging, but I am not seeing players in the scoreboard carving bloody swaths through lobbies. It’s been an awesome few days of gameplay.

[pulsar pebble]

Eh. I dunno man. Sure you could work around it, but you also couldnt always get the lesser ammos because the pool was regional. Im not saying your wrong, but i also dont think just slapping in a AH is going to be better in the long run lol. You do touch a point that i do agree with though.... DD lacks a "come up" or "catch up" mechanic like leg meta or player scav sneaky shit that gives a lowly noob a shot at taking down a titan. Once someone in DD is stuck in greys due to their stash being drained, its a real fight to rearm and rebuild the bank

[hexed pebble]

Is there a stat tierlist for cleric?
I remember seeing ones for fighter and rogue, but cant find a cleric one

[lofty arch]

Where’d you see the rogue one? I feel like cleric is as simple as getting decent knowledge for eq and then prioritizing will

[pulsar pebble]

Depends if your going battle cleric or caster cleric imo. If your backline you stack knowledge til unlocked. Then will and + mag damage. For battle cleric you do the samw but probably want some str and agility so your swing and move faster lol

[urban current]

i think the rarity gate is a step in the right direction but i feel like its more that certain modifiers are the main issue, for instance i just ran into somebody with all blues but the modifier on every equipment was +additional damage leading up to 18 total but if i get a purple with percentage modifiers that nowhere near as strong as straight additional damage i believe the gear stats should be put on a point system and if they add up to a certain amount then it should gatekeep

[hallow flicker]

nerf barb

[hexed pebble]

Im going for a battery build, pure support. Do magical power and will give higher heal scaling than flat +magical healing? Like is one will less or more than one magical healing purely in terms of how big it makes the heal?

[fringe ember]

rusty key just do nothing?

[eager oracle]

i jsut used a health shrine and it didnt work because i pulled away the milsecond it despawned

[unkempt flare]

why so ? , if so please explain .

[lofty arch]

Because giving everyone lockpick perk removes the entire idea of high valuable loot being locked behind rare chests. Also removes the point of rogue lockpick and bard spell. Lockpicks are only like 50g too, just buy lockpicks or play one of the classes that don’t need them

[pulsar pebble]

Id go leather and cloth then. Help you be fast, keep up with team. So magical healing was broken for clerics forever. They claim its fixed but i got into the habit of stacking mag power. Boosts your judgements and divine strike hits like a truck. But suppose it depends on comp. We run a barb and he has like 200hp whe geared, so i worry less about getting 10 extea healing and more about being able to smash a rogue that appears on me out of nowhere lol

[strong heart]

Anybody know what a fair price for troll pelt should be rn ?

[hexed pebble]

Yeah I go light aside from a hounskull when I build like this. The HS is just enough to stop the oneshot.
I play with a couple of crazy guys who like to roleplay leroy jenkins sometimes so I need the extra juice haha
We're pretty efficient already, Im just looking to optimize my stats to help us even more.

[peak bane]

So I heard the game is getting a wipe in 14 days. Can anyone comfirm this?

[pulsar pebble]

I hear ya. Ive been trying to sneak some agil in as secondary stats just to help with the swing speed.

[unkempt flare]

reach lvl 15 so you can have the abilit yfo finaly having good loot ? , the idea of high valuable loot is from earning from dangerous places , akak every single chest that has high end loot is always behinda boss of a huge clear of moobs like in the goblin caves and crypts , i think the reward shouldnt be locked behind a simple barrier but an important one that only 2 CLASSES have is like is mandatory to play with those so you can have high end loot , is absurd

so it would be better if they are behind a perk like every single class can have lockpicking perk ( the ones who dont) and the ones who already have akak bard and rouge should be as how they are . obviously the trade off being a perk slot that could be important to them , fair trade imo.

[thin pendant]

bro whoever lost their gold key to me im sorry

[vapid oyster]

yesterday: omg everything is going to be different now!!!
today: maybe the cap should be green items
LMFAO

[lofty arch]

.

[unkempt flare]

wut gthis new loot table is almost imposbible ,i ran every single class trough every single good place , clear it and still made under 100 g on each run because the loot s either normal or cracked , before it used to be all normal and rarely any cracked and that was good how it was

yea 50 gold from tradeing thats why i said you need at lerast reach lvl 15 to get any good loot by buying lockpicks.

[lofty arch]

If you’re making less than 100 gold then you’re definitely doing something wrong. Loot the better loot rooms, valuable drops, hell, and tombs. If you REALLY wanted to loot lockpicked chests you can make a new rogue/bard and take the lockpick spell/perk and clear with rapier. You shouldn’t feel like you’re gated by lockpick chests, especially when like half of the lion chests spawns don’t require a lockpick

[unkempt flare]

"loot the better loot rooms" of course ,sure , let me just run ona bis blue warlock and barbarian on the goblin caves isntead of being cautios , sure , let me just W key intoa room and die instantly sure , and the loot on riooms is quite gated by lockieped chest exept the lionhearts who are open on like 2 rooms .

[wraith agate]

seems like a skill issue.

[lofty arch]

Then loot the rooms whenever your “BiS warlock and barbarian” aren’t in the room. Lookup a looting guide for goblin cave, there are plenty of lesser known loot areas. Clear the mini bosses like the Centipede in goblin or Wraith in crypts. Seems like your issue is dealing with other people rather than a few chests being locked.

[unkempt flare]

borrring ,ant attack ! 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜

[somber shuttle]

what is max magic heal?

[eager oracle]

most people don't know how to PVP in a group of more than 2 in this game and those that do are very picky about who they play with. if only there was a chess score style rating for how well you performed.

most people i play with dont actually know cleric goes in the backline and heals and buffs them, they run and think cleric is supposed to heal them while they get into position. only we don't, we get targeted and killed and your heal potion goes away.

[lofty arch]

Don’t think there is a max

[marsh mulch]

can daggers get some love? nobody uses them anymore

[white sorrel]

Maximum would be +3 on all gear, jewelry, and a weapon while it’s out.

[feral ocean]

Is the current ranked model based off a set avg such as 20 or 50 matches or is it based off all of them

[mossy adder]

The spawn at the bottom of the mine in goblin caves is so god awful. Like seriously how is that still a thing? High ground is such a massive advantage in this game and they made a spawn that just puts you at the bottom of the map. Come on.

[marsh mulch]

it does suck

[earnest current]

make sure you will die , play 5 game and i spawn like that 4 time in a row

[grim vessel]

You mean the one where you're literally trapped in a tiny area with a goblin waiting for you the instant you break out through the planks? Yeah, that shit is straight awful, God help you if a class with range spawns above you

[vestal chasm]

look, yall are gonna be balancing for the rest of this game's life, just put balancing on hold, give us druid then do w/e

[subtle heart]

this game is so trash, like how is anyone thats naked and on a low level charachter supposed to get any gold or survive when there are chads in full blue including jewlery running goblin caves and other maps just wiping lobbies

[fiery socket]

please make coin purses not unique cant take them in to normal dungeons

[wispy carbon]

I like how we nerfed bard when we really need to nerf barbarian…

[gaunt shell]

having issues w empty coin purses and not being able to sell/take them into normal dungeons pls fix

[weak chasm]

Maybe run from them and pve till you get good enough gear? Tf do you expect

[remote yarrow]

Funny how it changed from chads running purple/legendary to chads running blue. It was never a purple Item Problem. Its the insane value of +3 dmg

Even a Green Item Set with +25 total damage and nothing Else will wipe the lobby

[weak chasm]

Just run blue armor, why shouldn’t you be weak in grey gear.

[rose lynx]

No its literally just a skill issue and this patch proves it

[remote yarrow]

Nah. The Patch does nothing. People still Stack wep and phys damage. They just removed the third Stat for defence or all Attribute. You can get a total of +50dmg on a perfect blue Set. Even Just 20 will destroy anyone

[rose lynx]

People will have new excuses after weapon damage is nerfed.

[remote yarrow]

Most likely but that is still the Most unbalanced Stat in game

You should Not beable to Stack more dmg on Armour than a weapon can have Base damage. Like Imagine Just for the lols a Gray rondel with +40 dmg on Gear hitting you for 85 in the head

No amount of strength or all Attribute + legendary dagger can do that

[rose lynx]

Yea the stat is pretty unbalanced that is true. And i think the in between patch that caused duping had taken it off all armor. So i think the devs have the intention of getting rid of it next wipe

I just know you could cap lobbies to naked and people would just blame rng on drops or class imbalance and never themselves and how they could have done better or improved

[subtle heart]

Are you for real my guy, get the Cheeto dust off them fingers and get a life. not everyone has 10 hours a day to play.

[eager oracle]

there should be some kind of penalty for literally just not playing the game. there are so many people that would rather loot a few chests and zip right to the center of the circle waiting for an easy shot at PVP so they dont have to play for the first 7 minutes of the game. maybe the circle needs to be gotten rid of

[delicate solar]

The patch does nothing? Blatant exaggeration. Yes, sweaters still can get perfect set, but it's way harder then before, takes more effort and time and has more risk. Not an ideal solution, but to say it does nothing is to lie. It's a step in a good direction.

[quasi sundial]

Oce High roller goblin caves teaming is an issue

[eager oracle]

i have no motivation anymore to take loot with me with these kind of conditions of players only wanting PVP, unless im also with a stacked team. ill stick with using greys and whites and banking all the profit for when i can play a real round once or twice a blue moon

[signal nymph]

what does someone selling 3 named items for 1500r mean ?

[remote yarrow]

You dont need perfect Sets though. If you get +2+2 or even +1+2 on every Item you still hit like a truck no Matter what weapon you have

Survival bow quickshotting longbow arrows

[glossy wadi]

thats crazy hpw i extracted with loot but when going back to main screen, loot is gone????? wtfff

[jovial marlin]

How much is a +4 wpn dmg war maul worth?

[eager oracle]

i can extract on base ranger kit 8/10 times from goblin caves with anywhre from 50-120 gp a run. its slow earnings cause i dont do much damage to the goblins and feels like a goofy way of playing the game but the success rate is much higher than other classes because i dont have to engage most enemies and people run if you fire a few arrows at them and theyre not confident they can close the gap in time.

tl;dr so easy to extract as ranger or a skilled rouge, other classes have it rough

[supple sapphire]

I feel like the death ball in norm Lobbies are worse then ever

[quasi sundial]

Maybe you got pickpocketed on the portal?

[remote yarrow]

They should limit Higher Rolls Like +3 dmg to purple items so you gotta use them in high Roller and make +1 and maybe +2 on blue jewelery cap.

Then the can two shot each other in HR

[weak chasm]

If it takes you 10 hours a day to get green or blue gear, you probably should stop playing video games and sell your PC. It’s not hard to pve. A goblin cave run gets you 150 gold, and 150 gold can get you 3 blue pieces of gear. It’s a skill issue I’m sorry buddy

[remote yarrow]

3 blue pieces of Gear with what stats? I assume good Blues are on an all time high with the cap

[subtle heart]

my guy its hard to get out alive when you have to fight kited lvl 20s in full gear with jewls that are good stats, like what are you talking about .

[rapid vapor]

Where are you buying 3 pieces of blue gear for 150g that's not just dead stats?

[wise gyro]

Broski i literally go in with nothing, not even a torch, and can get a full gear set and cape after 3 runs lel

[weak chasm]

You don’t have to fight them bro stop being so delusional, if you see a kitted guy just get out of his way lmao it’s not hard. Skill issue

[remote yarrow]

You would Wonder how much Work geared people Invest into hunting down timmys deep into the swarm

[subtle heart]

also, teaming in goblin caves is beyond ridiculous right now, having to geared players team up and wipe the rest of the lobby is so stupid, fix your game, such a trash game. would rather play tarkov then this pice of work

[pastel bane]

I got this bug that says it ended abnormally everytime I extract

[trim ravine]

my little cousin brushed up against the LAN cable mid troll. I lost my 13 wep dmg kit. LATAM servers are gonna know pain.

[lapis veldt]

Warlock broken

[glossy wadi]

nah couldnt be, i was the last one

[zenith wadi]

does anyone know where to get spider silk? I assume its a rare drop from giant spiders but struggling to find confirmation

[jovial goblet]

bruh they gotta make it so you can bring coin purses into normal it makes trading so annoying

[jade nexus]

It does. Havent farmed them specifically but i found 2.

[subtle heart]

for real my guy i can run away all i want tand they will just chase

[lunar forge]

i was all for the blue lobbies but this sucks ngl XD

[weak chasm]

It’s just a skill issue I’m sorry, I played for 1 hour yesterday and got 3 cave troll extracts out of 4 attempts. It’s not hard to gear up

[steel horizon]

yo anyone elses game crash and made it update????

[shut temple]

how do the first 20 games work? it is like ranked placements?

[outer peak]

game is trash

[foggy wind]

Scammer, id: pocketseish.
This person tricked me into buying his troll skin for 3000 gold coins. Please be careful not to be deceived.

[stoic pond]

whats rusty key for anymore?

[remote yarrow]

What was wrong with that?

[grim vessel]

I don't know why people come here to post their trade Ls publicly lmfao. If someone wants something for more than you can fit into a trade window using gold coins/pouches, then you negotiate a price based on gold ore/ingots or keys. If you get scammed it is entirely on you, the tools to trade large amounts safely are out there.

[blissful flume]

Why can’t you go in with epic gear in the ruins if there’s no high rollers it doesn’t make sense?

[fallen kayak]

i would be fine with gear cap on ruins and gobi caves. just leave the trio map uncapped. and add hr ruins

[idle sky]

Are the droprates for golden keys still 1% from skeleton champ?

[grim vessel]

As per the dev's recent Q&A, the ruins map being duos is still very experimental and there's a chance it might not be a duo map later. So there's little point in making a specific ruins HR right now.

[trim ravine]

how much for a troll's blood?

[shut temple]

yo is it just me or this new leaderboard makes it so unmotivating to climb?

[cosmic tendon]

Add crypts to duo que, and remove ruins que. This will restrict gold farming and give duos a fresh chance to explore crypts without disadvantage.

[blissful flume]

Just lame you can’t play ruins at all unless you are capped

[drifting nymph]

im not sure what monkey thought of giving the invisibility spell the ability to to run at full speed while rogues have to mosey along with a talent to take ten steps but my god you are not evolved to have any sort of thought process in your little brain at all

[sharp prairie]

All you losers in your min/max gear are straight up ruining the experience. Gear is too juiced right now, re-implement the lower gear stats. Game is actually not fun this patch, it's either have all best in slot or get steamrolled. Skill be damned.

Put in a base gear only lobby.

[remote yarrow]

Never understood why they Made the worst map the Duo Variant. Just make Duo/Trio for anything thats not GC

[narrow arrow]

BEST ANTI-SWEAT PATCH EVER. MUCH LOV DEV TEAM

[proud aspen]

Dawg if this your opinion this aint the game for you play fortnite or something

[harsh adder]

this is sarcasm?

[narrow arrow]

Nope. Genuinely having a much better time than before the Gear based match making. I love it.

[sharp prairie]

I enjoy games that revolve around getting good and fighting well, not stacking up loot and becoming juggernauts.

[drifting nymph]

thats a fact running any class with a stacked cleric and 15 potions of clarity. there is no way to be it in as a fresh. you can play perfect and it wont matter

[narrow arrow]

I run into plenty of teams in mostly blues, and I can actually beat them rather than getting aped by a bunch of legendaddies. Now I can sweat up to blues, save up some purples and try sweating. People who have actual talent are all in high roller competeing like they're supposed to be and normals is semi-casual, with mostly fair fights that's I've run into so far. Great patch.

[supple sapphire]

If there gona to go this route they need gut the Green and bule Gear There gona look at the data and be like the dont care about geting purple or epics at all they just want best in solt bules to Roll Loobys

[fallen kraken]

DC?

[sharp prairie]

We must be playing different games. The pubstompers just downgraded to blues and continued facerolling their keyboards

[narrow arrow]

I am able to beat pub stompers in blues. Just gotta fight in smart places. Its easy to lose if you have bad positioning. But me and a buddy go into ruins as base and pull teams in blues all the time