game-discussion

[inner skiff]

Why not, a lot of people go geared, you can kill them and get their loot, mining gold/royal coffins are just an additional reward

[valid lily]

I would like to go solo HR with great gear and loot/fight. But there is nothing to make there, while risking a lot. I would need like 5 runs to cover cost of my gear. But in ruins I can do that without any gear and get as much $ in a single run.

[wheat helm]

it's too bad it's unplayable in some regions due to chinese teamers.

[tulip warren]

just camping extracts on ruins is profit

[harsh blaze]

extract camping is a whole different story.

[subtle heart]

someone help me win

[vague flax]

boy am i happy i just rubber banded for a 10 seconds after agroing a mage and died in a max kit

[swift nimbus]

old rusty key havent a use now? nice game

[sweet pulsar]

What if non high roller didn’t let you queue with purples

would solve the issue with people using regular games as fortnite simulator

[knotty kernel]

This is my suggestion, we should segregate the queus. Make it so that you can't queue with items above green quality for normals. Will casuals get killed by people running fully optimized plus weapon damage, sure but it won't feel as bad as getting killed by optimized purples. Then make it so HR is anything goes. Several differnt ways to implement something like this too, there could be a gear score system where you are only allowed a certain gear score for certain maps, and a minimum gear score for highroller.

[tulip warren]

or just make running normals less lucrative if ur a geared player. More incentive for HR. Dont need to gear cap

[sweet pulsar]

I feel like blues aren’t as oppressive, I can kill some people with blues every now and then, the issue is me hitting a fighter 5 times in the head with a bow and then die only to see he’s 90% hp and still has his heal

@tulip warren I literally have seen people go in, kill 4 people and portal out without even checking bodies or loot

[tulip warren]

yes u can do that but whats the point

[knotty kernel]

Several problems with this. First inorder to actually incentivize hr over normals we would need to make it so that like every chest in norms only drops grey trinkets, and the best item you can get out of a gold or royal coffin in norms is green quality, and then make like everything that drops in HR essentially green or higher. Without a hugely disproportionate difference in drop rates people will continue to find the Risk of HR too high. The only other option would be to lower the risk of HR, either by lowering entry cost, mob density/difficulty, adding killfeed or higher portal to player ratio. So far Im has attempted to make HR attractive and all attempts have simply failed.

[sleek dome]

why would i loot bodies when the gear market is dogwater, collector my best friend

[sweet pulsar]

People who like playing this game like a regular battle royal do this, they camp more portals than they can even use, hunt people down through multiple rooms, and just fight for the sake of feeling stronger because they have full purple

If you limit people to only using up to blues in regular lobbies it won’t be as one sided

[knotty kernel]

its a pvp focused game, the point of having gear is to hunt other people down., truth be told even if we do make HR economically superior to Norms in every way people will still take full purps and legendaries in to norms just to noob stomp.

[sleek dome]

do you play this game....for pve?

[mental halo]

Can anyone explain to me how gold keys are worth so much? It’s like selling a 20$ bill for 1000$? Am I missing something about it that makes it so valuable ?

[sweet pulsar]

People shouldn’t be allowed to pub stomp because they bought gold

[sleek dome]

Well, we can't help you. I run almost entirely purples and blues because I am not trash at the game and know the maps, pve swing patterns, and play optimally. I really don't think people actually buy gold as much as seems to be toted here by people. I think its much more copium for skill issues

[knotty kernel]

The golden key is worth so much, because the playerbase is using it as a store of value. It is all because stash space is so limited, and gold takes up so much of it. The point is that by using a golden key, you can compress 8000 gold from taking up 160 spaces in your stash, to just two by using the golden key. No one is actually using it to open the golden door, it is merely a commodity used for exchange, people are also speculating with keys and ingots as well.

[tulip warren]

so ur suggestion is to gear cap so only non-geared will play normals and geared players will be in HR. Couldn't we might aswell flatten the gear difference like last hotfix for same result, ie even playing field?

[sweet pulsar]

it’s not fun to land 10 hits on a guy and dodge him for 8 seconds straight only to get one shot because they have +15 str and +20 damage on all his purples combined

[sleek dome]

The gearing right now is lightning fast compared to how it used to be. If you cant gear with this current drop pool, you literally just are bad at the game. There is no way around it. Farming close to 1k gp an hour in GC not even having to PVP is comical. Its amazing and i love the speed of the game with these recent patches

[knotty kernel]

No, because we want gear disparity to exist because gear disparity is the entire point of the game. We want to be able to progress through the game by collecting better and better gear over a period of time, flattened gear prevents that. We also want to beable to find gear with god rolls and say wow That item is really amazing I hope I get out of the dungeon with it. If we flatten gear and remove the disparity we destroy the entire games core gameplay loop.

[queen root]

Devs: "We want to slow game pace">
Reality:"Loot rate goes brrrrr"

[sweet pulsar]

Geared people should be incentivized to go to high roller, but should also be disincentivized in to pub stomping people who are trying to grind out their gear

Gear disparity can be whatever, but it’s like playing an mmo and going back to the spawn area to farm slimes because you have better gear and they can’t get hurt

[tropic fiber]

something has to be done about the server performance lately

[knotty kernel]

Fake news, When devs said they wanted a slower paced game they meant time inbetween combat, not during combat. They wanted people to clear rooms more slowly and methodically not race down the nearest spawn point like it is call of duty. They want TTK in actual combat to remain high, that is why they kept the charged gear but nerfed Move speed buffs and healing.

[sleek dome]

So many complaints about gear just seem to sound like babies first extraction looter

[queen root]

And where you disagreed with me. Cus I see agreement here. Full agi barb is just rushing spawnpoints with mage haste and invis going through doors and timmies.

[knotty kernel]

I agree it is super easy to gear up with an absolutely juiced set, but that is only if you can actually know how where to go to get loot, what loot to prioritize, and then know how to extract. Alot of casual and new players struggle with these things still. It took me like 20 extracts to actually learn default GC map layout fully.

[sweet pulsar]

I like how all these “get good” people get super defensive about having to face other geared people

[rare shell]

never going high roller again, just got killed by a teleporting cheater

[sleek dome]

I farm GC for caped players and actively drop healing pots and bandages for naked people, who in turn try and kill me sometimes. You seem very bad at the game based on your complaints. The devs wont cater to your needs. Learn to play the game or continue to be farmed. It is not a hard game.

[amber fulcrum]

How valuable is golden key atm?

[queen root]

800-1k

[knotty kernel]

No we get defensive, because we don't want causuals fucking up the game with their horrible and ignorant balance suggestions. I however recognize that this game needs new blood and a place for them to learn the game. I want to fence little timmies in and raise them for slaughter, because I know I will starve later if I just kill them all right now.

[sweet pulsar]

I can literally farm the geared players if I play my rogue with all damage perks, but I would like to play more of the game instead of just running down fighters every round

[tropic fiber]

constantly crashes = ended abnormally pls restart

[tulip warren]

so normals will be even playing field that ppl play to find enough gear to go HR where everyone will be juiced up the wazoo. Whats the incentive to play HR then?

[rare shell]

the HR is reserved so the cheaters fight eachother lol enjoy normal

[keen egret]

Then they should make the "sneak attack" concept match what is in Dungeons and Dragons, meaning remove % bonus dmg add like 10-15 extra dmg on the first attack.

[sleek dome]

so are you tired of being farmed by all purple players who you cant kill or are you farming them all? Rouges are an annoyance 9/10 times post nerf. Sounds like shower thoughts

[subtle heart]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[knotty kernel]

The incentive is you get to use the better gear, and actually experience the endgame. They can have other incentives too, like leaderboards, possible seasonal rewards, HR exclusive mining nodes, and HR exclusive material drops. Things like that.

[sweet pulsar]

Rogue literally can ignore 80% of armor for 8 hits, but literally no other class can. I would like to be able to grind out gear on any other character instead of playing rogue all the time

[next mirage]

do gloves/boots only go up to +2 weapon dmg???

[rare shell]

dont even bother getting better gear lol, just wear nothing and get good with nothing and then shit on cheaters when they teleport next to you

[sinful comet]

LF cleric for some late night HR runs

[knotty kernel]

Rogue is super weak after nerf, actual worst class in game. If you died to a rogue it is either because you played really bad, or they gear diffed you big time; and any other class with equal gear diff would have beat you even harder. @next mirage Yes gloves, boots, helmets, rings, one handed weapons, and capes only go up to +2 on damage roll, except added magic and added true damage which can roll higher, I think. They changed something with this patch related to magic damge

[sweet pulsar]

Rogue can ignore armor almost completely, the only class that can deal damage to higher geared players, just because they start weak doesn’t mean they can’t fight when the opponent also has no armor now

[tulip warren]

I like your ideas. But implementing those incentives is difficult it seems. Im partial towards cosmetic seasonal rewards

[knotty kernel]

Rogues can not ignore armour nearly as effectively as you claim. Weakpoint attack and thrust are anemic, they do very little to get through armour. and given armour players stack health too, their little pinricks of daggers still do nothing when faced with that girthy barb health bar. All rogues can do is get on there knees and wait for them to battle axe on the their face. Same thing with fighter but they just pull out their falchion and one tap the head.

[sweet pulsar]

Lmao talk about being bad if you can’t kill as a rogue

[tulip warren]

@knotty kernel if one finds good gear in normals can it be used during that run though?

[knotty kernel]

With my system I propose? The answer would of course be yes. No one would have a problem with someone going in naked finding a purple halbered and zero to heroing a match. But people are upset with getting consistently rolled by lobsters with red plate going in to hunt timmies.

[rare shell]

man the cheaters ganna be going crazy soon I know it lol

[knotty kernel]

R M T is not that serious of a problem, especially in a full loot game like this. they still need to farm gold to sell it and the people who buy it still need to walk into a match and risk their gear. It's hardly worth wasting the devs limited development and moderation time, when we have bigger fish to fry.

[woeful pebble]

🫵

[onyx garnet]

Revert loot back to normal levels/ drop chances. dial back loot in normal runs to take away some insentive to run normal instead of high-roller. Do the same with the amount of ore you can collect in normal runs. Re-establish sub 15 lobbies to give newer players an actual chance. Make purple+ gear drop from high-roller only.

[knotty kernel]

I hate trade spamming too, but we can use filters to elminate most of it, luckily. Just sucks trying to buy [leather leggings]

[valid lily]

+1, I hate being so rich. I want a reason to go into HR again

[sweet pulsar]

I’m more upset that people get up in arms about the prospect of having to fight similarly geared players 🤣

[warped raft]

i love how troll pelts went from 1250 to 10k lmfao !

[tepid notch]

how much are ingots worth in recent events. curious question

[tropic fiber]

they need to bring back sub 15 matchmaking.

[onyx garnet]

Yes they do

[knotty kernel]

Its not that we hate fighting similarly geared, players most sweats dont find running over nakeds particularly fun (we do it to eliminate competion and risk mostly). But most sweats want to preserve gear disparity sot he game can maintain its system of progression and gear can feel rewarding to obtain. @tepid notch 900-1k gold

[sweet pulsar]

Gold is super abundant so inflation made it worthless to traders who want any sort of value

[tepid notch]

gold ingot yes?

[warped raft]

yea its in the crapper right now, the keys alone i feel are really messing up the gold economy, and so many scammers now when you finally do get thru on a click they just try to sell you something else lol its such a sad state of affairs 😦

[weak light]

which class shits on rouge the hardest, its always like 9/16 players on ruins my duo is losing his mind lol

[sweet pulsar]

So you are for the idea of having higher geared players added to your games if you are higher gear?

[warped raft]

every class shits on rogue, take your pick they are wet newspapers that used to be able to hide

[sweet pulsar]

Cleric literally the easiest for anything rn, they are over stated and have spells with good range and effects. They also are headshot machines because you can’t really ever miss with the mace even if you try

[red forge]

I'm sorry but if you think most sweats don't absolutely love steamrolling undergeared players and that they're killing them "to preserve the equipment disparity and balance/fun of the game" then I need some of whatever you're smoking cuz it's good shit.

[somber kayak]

Imagine trying to speak for all sweats playing this game

[valid lily]

rupture or weakpoint ?

[arctic cove]

Ruins been taken over by ESP range hackers, RIP

[zenith fractal]

lol

[sweet pulsar]

Rupture for no gear opponents , weak point for high gear opponents

If you are high gear then no gear opponents don’t really matter either way so weak point at that point

[warped raft]

these gold farmers are all running speed hacks i keep getting run down by naked rogues with under 300 movement while im above 330 its so pathetic, im getting tired of filing reports ffs

[main forge]

i feel bad for new players you can't play a single normal lobby without at least 1-2 teams there to gear diff you

[arctic cove]

With gold ore all the hackers are just running ruins 24/7, they scan inventories for who mined gold and just target them

[tulip warren]

its perfect, just avoid ruins

[vagrant path]

Let us stack empty coin purses

[zenith fractal]

This isnt true on NA servers atleast, i have mined close to 20 gold bars. Sometimes people find you, sometimes you have potions on your belt, or a ranger sees your footsteps. Ive played hundreds of ruins games and never came across a hacker on NA servers.

[warped raft]

sus

[zenith fractal]

explain why sus?

[glad fox]

@zinc sparrow The game is lagging for days now, servers are in extremely bad shape. We've just observed most awfull rubberbanding since the playtests today. The lags are notorious on EU, no idea about other servers. Can we stop pretending that nothing is happening for weeks and finally get some info on that?

[narrow sand]

I don't see how someone not blaming every death on cheaters instead of admitting that maybe they made a mistake is suspicious

[weak light]

^

[zenith fractal]

ZOMG HAXXX is the oldest gamer trope, dont fall into it

[little sun]

Yeah agree that people enjoy it, it was discuss already. people used to do a single game with a friends so he can give Really good gear and faceroll no trade 1-15 lobby before the patch. And People in discord alrady stated that they do HR to PvE Farm but LR to "PvP" with their best gear

[arctic cove]

If you guys dont realize how many people are using soft hacks, wallhacks, esp, view other players backpacks, always 350 move speed, botting, range hacks, no footstep hacks or even lag hacks. Well I have a bridge to sell yall.

[zenith fractal]

lol, you must blame all of your issues on other people. git gud

[subtle heart]

with rogue should i use my right click weapon or the left click one

[weak light]

left if youre on the starting grey gear

[fickle locust]

Depends on what attack you want, you really only want one in hand so you’re faster unless both weapons have rolls on them

[warped raft]

its no use, the blinders are on good 😉

[zenith fractal]

keep dying, keep crying.

[weak light]

just move on to single player games crybabies no one can hurt you there

[white sorrel]

They die to PVE too, so that's out

[arctic cove]

A lot of times I 'cry hacker' its not even after I died its after I escaped and I spectate everyone, realize a guy is moving full 350 speed with only 280 move speed. Or see a ranger whos auto aiming between targets that are behind walls.

[zenith fractal]

got vids??

[weak light]

record it

[subtle heart]

h

[fair marlin]

yeah I see high move speed kids with only 280 too, I don't even bother they don't do anything. I had a video recording of one and nothing happened

[narrow sand]

maybe you do see them, but it's definitely not every lobby like you make it out to be. I too have spectated ruins but have never seen these speed hacking aimbotters myself

[zenith fractal]

I dont claim there are 0 hackers, I just know if you think they are in every match, thats a skill issue.

[arctic cove]

I 100% think ruins gold farming brought out the hackers since they can just scan the inventories and see whos got the gold, kill them and leave

[zenith fractal]

They must see my name and like me then, who knows /shrug

[dense kernel]

Anyone else seeing a rise in empty chests? Even had a few locked chests that were empty.

[weak light]

"oh no I went to the most contested place on the map and died"

[warped raft]

yes yes your wit knows no bounds we get it

[mint oasis]

oh no russians found this server..its funny how they think everyone understand russian and type in ruski

[white sorrel]

Translated with Google Translate: Gentlemen. Cheaters in your game have become more common. then archers who shoot at the head. Some kind of ping abusers who kill FPS at 0 and kill you just wearing standard white gear. I send a report but it becomes more often...

It's not perfect but gives the general idea, seems he said there are a lot of cheaters and DDoS/ping abusers and he reports them and there seems to be an upward trend of it.
@mint oasis Use Google Translate.

[scenic swan]

He can google translate before posting but for now reported for spam

[icy jolt]

kind of pathetic but you do you

[umbral junco]

on what graphic setting u guys play on?

[trail fable]

Are golden key rooms super good loot? Why are they going for so expensive right now

[mint oasis]

imagine what kind of chaos this would be if everyone type in different language

[waxen cedar]

They’re valued at more than room is worth rn

[icy jolt]

Doesn't call for a report though lmao

[trail fable]

@waxen cedar trinkets and such ?

[flint surge]

in the character screen, when you switch from 1 character to a Ranger, the Trap keep glitching out and swinging all over the place for a second 😄

[pearl cloud]

Why did weakpoint get buffed to 50% armor reduction and then reduced back to 30%

[pine meteor]

Hello everybody if you like to play Bard and feel that he's geting too much nerfs go check DnD suggestions and seek for "Serious Bard rework" you won't loose your time i promise 😉

[slate rampart]

am i imagining something or the loot yesterday was much better on average did they nerf it ?

[sweet pulsar]

they havent changed anything since the patch, they seem to have no way to hotfix the game without patching

[scenic swan]

What report to you means death penalty ?

[icy jolt]

U WOT M8

[hushed stag]

rolling spell capacity on a bow is lame

[hasty sorrel]

Why the fuck are there even more than 1 trade channel man? We have filters.. just let us use filters. It's so cringe. Filter by class or utility if u want lmao. Like the trade system is already bad enough as is but they have to top it off by spreading it out across 10 channels so we have to hop around to find where people are selling stuff multiple classes want.

[spice orbit]

agreed.

the inability to post stuff outside of a class trade channel means trades are impossible too

[subtle heart]

I keep getting these weird lag spikes where even my mouse lags.

[vernal depot]

Outside of a good BoC bonk, you stand no chance as a grey geared warlock in a fight right? Other classes seem faster, hit harder or can kite better.

I get Warlock is great with gear but the 1-15 grind sucks so bad.

[keen path]

can we report teamer somewhere ?

[empty sun]

Use this link, click no and use the drop down menu

https://www.darkanddarker.com/support/contact

Only premeditated teaming is against the rules though, be sure to show their names etc if you have reason to believe they are

[devout yacht]

you gotta learn the spell tango. Kite back, curse, kite back, curse

[hardy moon]

is any else stuttering(spikelag) in the game constantly?

[little sun]

Unfortunatly unless you have proof they did plan before the match, nop

[vernal depot]

I find it does very little with grey kit. It's like 18 damage on hit and a few tickle ticks afterwards? Compared to a xbow or bow shot it doesn't seem all too great.

[empty sun]

Doesn't need proof of the preplanning the team can still look into it aslong as they have proof of the teaming with names

Will check their queueing habit's

[hardy moon]

is any else stuttering(spikelag) in the game constantly?

[empty sun]

Obviously proof of premeditation just makes it quicker

[weak umbra]

so if i team with someone in raid its impossible to get banned?

[grizzled creek]

If its not preplanned its allowed

[empty sun]

Aslong as you aren't queueing into games with friends to team up with them

[umbral junco]

will ainticheat be a thing?

[muted pike]

Why Isint Ranger nerfed into the ground yet? Why do brain dead shitters think this is balanced

[silk moat]

whats with this idiotic practice in trading post of putting in 15 less to pay for fee >_>

[devout yacht]

i've never seen someone do that

[silk moat]

i see it frequently @muted pike - what's the deal with rangers you're so mad about? just dont fight them long range or carry a crossbow

[icy jolt]

Because he gets outplayed

[muted pike]

What do you mean? Do you genuinely think have max speed kiting and being able to 180 3 tap with a longbow is engaging and fun gameplay? Like do you actually think this takes a lot of skill?

[limber verge]

what happened to high roller, used to be quiet really early in the morning and now it's popping. smh

[silk moat]

i dont think ive ever been 3 tapped with a long bow, how do you stay still long enough for that to happen, any ranger who tries poking me backs off as soon as i hit wthem with one crossbow shot

[muted pike]

If the only counter to archer is to have crossbows as a secondary that’s terrible gameplay design. Currently the wizards best range option is to use a crossbow. That’s fucking stupid.

[icy jolt]

Bro if someone is a ranger and is engaging you. Why you pushing right at him ? Go around? If you are just barb charging and getting killed for it then that's on you bruv

[silk moat]

i feel like it makes sense? i mean rangers are meant to fight 'at range so naturally they excel at that...if you can close the gap gg, if anything crossbows are a little op, takes away the rangers inherent advantage,

[muted pike]

I can’t argue with you people. Fucking stupid

[icy jolt]

Skill issue

[silk moat]

no like i legitimately want to hear you out and have a constructive discussion, please tell me what change you'd make to rangers? if you nerf them too much anyone who can carry a crossbow is gonna be a better ranger lol

[ebon gulch]

Not to be that guy but technically ranger in this context is more like warden or protector of the woods, like park ranger.

[silk moat]

the Park Goblin Caves - killing tourists and malders since 2023. @muted pike do you want archers to have to engage? does that not defeat the purpose of the class

[muted pike]

Do you realize being able to have max speed and kite people without having to engage is awful objectively terrible gameplay? It’s literally not balanced. Our triple stack could run archer and we haven’t lost one lobby and have maxed cash. This shit Isint balanced and you know it

[harsh swan]

why the actual f ... the ranged attack do no stack poison ????

[pearl summit]

"We have reworked the bard class so it is unplayable. Warlocks now have 70+ legitimate useable spells while bard is still limited to being a DDR bot for their team. Carry on." Ironmace

[devout yacht]

everything is right in the world

[silk moat]

i encourage you to run a 3 stack of rangers and have a game where you get run up on by a blended party who shows you why that's a bad idea

[cold reef]

Thank you for this clarification Jax. 🙂 Honestly, people team because they know for a fact they will have portals. The Devs know this. They have said so. They reduced the Portals for this reason but Reddit whined and they reverted it back. Now people start making "friends" in the lobby knowing there is more than enough portals for everyone. The portals are the problem. Remove some of them and you solve the teaming issue. They will all have to fight for an exit. Sorry for the wall of text but it had to be stated yet again.

[lone goblet]

damn guess I made the right call stacking gold ingots

[verbal laurel]

when do you think highroller leaderboard is gonna come back?

[muted pike]

My dude, we already have. We are on the lead board because we have just been straight wiping lobbies. The winning combo is 2 archers with purple longbows and bard buff. Your talking to a guy who has already explored this meta 50 times over

[lofty ruin]

why is everything so expensive now what change!?

[silk moat]

i guess if you're just picking people off 🤷‍♂️ not much to be said - i did the same but not understanding why gold ignots are continuing to go up @lone goblet

[lone goblet]

hyperinflation lmao

[muted pike]

No dude this shit Isint balanced and that’s my point. It’s ruining the fun aspect of dark and darker and it pisses me off that the devs are not doing anything about it. It’s been like this for 3 hot fixes so far. But whatever

[ebon gulch]

Highly tuned drop rate combined with very little gold sinks means that more and more gold is flooding the game. The more gold in the game the higher the cost of things. Inflation

[zenith fractal]

Ive never seen a group of complainers, the game is in early access, if you dont enjoy how it is right now, play a different game for 2 weeks and try again, it will probably be completely different. Last week there was no gold ore, a seperate lobby and juiced players with +3 all stats on every item.

[verbal laurel]

I agree with wendey becuase if you are geared enough then natually you are going to kill everypne

[silk moat]

i just dont get how they're wiping games do these people not run

[icy jolt]

True. When did gaming turn into one big complaining fest. Honestly cringe

[pearl acorn]

i keep getting ddos when is it going to end @developers

[lofty ruin]

lol literal inflation. ive been stacking gold ingot i think is the best invesment i buy them for 400-500 now they are double or more

[half vessel]

If you close the gap they put away their bow and run lmao

[tidal dock]

When the devs started making sweeping changes, my enjoyment decreased.

[pallid notch]

So ur enjoyment decreased when Playtest 4 was around and still bought the game

[empty sun]

No all good the wall is fine 😅 truth is I think teaming will always be a thing, that and passive play but yeah the portals play a vital role too, it's unlikely they did it just based just on Reddit though, but you can use the poll link pinned in #suggestion-discussion to suggest stuff they do get checked

[silk moat]

good then you go the opposite direction

[pearl acorn]

everytime i get a kit i get kicked out the lobby what do i do @empty sun

[lofty ruin]

THEY WAS I SAID AFTER HOTFIX 15 THEY BALANCE THINGS RIGHT. THEY GET RID OF WEAPON DAMAGE AND TRUE PHYSICAL AND ONLY AADD THE STAT TO JEWLERY. THEN THEY GO BACK. BECAUSE STREAMER TEARS

[harsh swan]

hand crossbow and dagger should applie poison passif from the rogue

[cold reef]

Rangers are a hard counter to every class. No other class can claim that. They rule Solo GC. The current meta is that movement is king. While they have experienced minor changes they are the only class to never receive a rework or a thorough overhaul.

[icy jolt]

I would say that Rogues run solo Gobos

[half vessel]

And then they start shooting as you try to run lmao

[silk moat]

i feel like rangers do worst in GC, you can take cover anywhere or just crossbow them back @half vessel then you start taking cover

[devout yacht]

meanwhile as a fighter, I've been cleaning up every ranger i run into lol

[harsh swan]

first nerf they should be doing is that the ration can only be use while sitting down

[edgy lagoon]

pdr fighter with crossbow fleeces a ranger.

[hardy moon]

how do i stop stuttering in the game?

[half vessel]

Honestly every class should have access to a range weapon at this point. As a cleric i wish i could use even franchisca because holy strike isnt cutting it

[vernal depot]

Gotta work on your confidence.

[hardy moon]

im talking about lag spikes

[devout yacht]

you're doing it wrong then

[half vessel]

If a ranger is getting caught by holy strike, the ranger is doing it wrong

[devout yacht]

nah, you have shields and heals to close the gap

[vernal depot]

I think it's just a common issue right now. Not specific to yourself. It sucks but I hope they're doing somthing.

[half vessel]

You can’t “close the gap” against a class that is faster than you.

[empty sigil]

I agree completely. Movement is everything and arrow slow ensures that even if caught in melee the ranger can kite out if it hits a single arrow

[tidal dock]

Throw your weapon at their legs

[mortal talon]

It’s even worse when gold bags are only 50 gold..

[novel plover]

games dying change my mind

[lusty reef]

Is high roller worth it in anyones opinion? It does not seem worth the 75g to me. I tested for a few rounds and I come out with more gold/jewelry in just regular GC - more time to get centipedes, skelly champ, etc.

[ancient karma]

100% worth, especially csuse every drop of armor from real playes can be sold

[devout yacht]

you can, seems like you're just denying how the game actually works to strengthen your argument. He has to reduce his movement by like 60% to fire an arrow. You cast 2 spells, hide behind a shield and push into him while he's trying to shoot your feet

[sacred crown]

Revert Trade changes to lvl 10

[tough harbor]

For anything to be balanced it needs to be tuned. This is how evolution and neural networks work for example.
If you think something is dying simply because it's in an experimental phase I would assume you don't get out of your comfort zone too much either.

[rich owl]

You are free to leave, this isn't North Korea.

[novel plover]

yeah people like you are the problem

[formal moon]

Consistent amount of ppl playing since ea. 25 30k daily

[devout yacht]

says the dude causing problems and fearmongering

[harsh blaze]

no, people like you are the problem.

[tough harbor]

Alienating and rejecting people instead of communicating is not going to help anyone.
How about discussing facts without exaggerating everything emotionally?

[grim ember]

Does anyone think that warlock is really strong right now

[novel plover]

🤓 🫵

[formal moon]

Not really, just really strong pve

[high tree]

My dude the game averages 10k viewers on twitch, it isn't dying.

[ancient karma]

warlock is def strong but imo pretty balanced, low hp means burst dmg wins, aswell as melee if u have more pdr than about 30

[half vessel]

Wow you almost caught the ranger, good thing he is…. faster than you so he can kite you to gain some distance and shoot some more.

[harsh blaze]

he is as broken as before the patch. Now you just need more gear/+magicheal to get him working (broken).

[tough harbor]

Don't be afraid to speak up your mind. People have their own experience and opinions. It doesn't mean they are right. It's just a way to get a conversation rolling 😉

[formal moon]

Tbh, they need to add more to rogue or walk back some of the nerfs. Barbs are legit almost as fast as us if they stack agi

[novel plover]

you are literally chat gpt ai prob commissioned by the devs for damage control

[edgy lagoon]

Tiers of gear

1. base kit- 0g
2. Found in raid and maybe a weapon they purchased- maybe 200g
3. A good relevant stat on each piece- -prolly 50g per slot
4. Curated 2 stat gear on most pieces- max 400g a slot
5. God BIS 3 curated stats youre looking for on every piece- can range from 500g a slot to several keys a slot

Each Tier can kill a tier up with outplay, 2 tiers up if you go super saiyan and make huge outplays, unless youre 3rd partying you're not supposed to kill teams 3 tiers higher than you in loot and even then good luck. Games fine, pick your battles wisely and play your best gear each raid, you're supposed to die.

[ancient karma]

dying to ranger is a skill issue. its the one class that can lose all dps if u can dodge well, warlock has on sight casts and so does wizard, along with splash. ranger can straight up be juked to lose half their damage off on. just dont walk straight at them

[dense kernel]

Sounds like a bad ranger.

[half vessel]

A good ranger is not missing his shots no matter how much you duck and weave lmao

[tough harbor]

Even if that's true, what's stopping you from listening and deciding if the information is valuable to you? No relations to the game.

[novel plover]

💀 💀 💀 im done

[formal moon]

Ranger only requires a decent weapon and good spacing to kill every one. Even players significantly more geared

[grim ember]

ranger is prob the most broken class in the game

[ancient karma]

then they deserve to win man, thats how that should be

[knotty kestrel]

well bows slowing on hit helps them hit shots and they do more dmg on hit than anything besides a direct wizard fireball

[lunar moth]

A ranger with a green or blue longbow will pop u without u touchin him

[devout yacht]

so besides being salty and having a false sense of how the game works you also don't seem to be very good at it. Just gotta practice man, you'll start learning how to beat them

[half vessel]

I would agree IF you managed to get to the ranger, the ranger was dead. But again, he can just run and try again.

[harsh blaze]

I wonder if ppl complaining about ranger have ever played in trios with a ranger. I found it be much harder since you have limited pushing abilities and are constantly forced to mapread into favorable positions, that the ranger can actually do some work.

[novel plover]

ranger apologists are the worst of creatures

[tropic fiber]

im 10000% certain now there are players using localised lag switches to make everyone in their game/lobby rubber band like crazy

[ancient karma]

i mean a warlock with +6-8 magic dmg on his gesr can 2 shot guys without mag resist with pain, shich is about 400g

[grim pecan]

It's insane how much a cleric that had 4/5 grey gear and one green can tank. I hit them with 10/10 magic missiles at 20 will, and I still needed a staff attack to kill him. That's not including their shield because they accidentally put it on me. That means I did 9 or less damage per shot from a base of 15. Worse if they got their shield off correctly.

Heck maybe I should just spam clerics if they're going to face tank this easily right now.

[rich owl]

He said the game is dead, i don't see any fact here nor is helping anyone. He is free to either leave or being argumentative but not sure what he is expecting by saying "Game is dead" and saying someone else is the problem when i just said he is free to leave, no one is stopping him.

[little sun]

thing is your t3 is already 1k gold. Which is for a new player between 5 and 10 good run. I feel like a full green decent gear shouldnt be that hard to get . but it's my opinion only i guess . the 15 trade tax (money pit) does't help selling an item for less than 35 gold i get it that you prefere to merchant.

[grim ember]

ok... doesnt mean that ranger isnt super strong and have insane kiting ability and have a full hp heal and have slows on hit

[vivid pendant]

game is in fact not dead, there seems to be on average always 27k combined players in dungeon/lobby

[harsh blaze]

only because your expectation was off doesn't mean it's "insane". should everyone die with three missile hits acording to you?

[formal moon]

Ya. Ppl that cry game is dead are the same ppl that play for the first week of a wipe then get reset

[lone goblet]

goddamn I made the right choice stacking gold ingots at 500g

[ancient karma]

true true, idk i guess i never die to them so i cant see the argument that theyre op. i think its fairly balanced, it very well could just be that other ranged classes have essier times fighting rangers, as i play warlock exclusively

[vivid pendant]

it's almost as if avoiding rangers is an impossible thing to do....

[half vessel]

Literal brain rot. Trying to provide constructive criticism to the game, like when barb during pt3 was busted. I wiped so many lobbies with it. Now ranger needs to be toned down. Range weapons in general need to either be toned down, or map design needs to not allow range classes to kite so easily.

[ancient karma]

ur gonna get shot on ur back if u run u have to take the fight

[high tree]

100% agree on ranged weapons needing to be toned down at minimum. Too many classes have access to crossbows, the earthquake + range weapon team comp is easily of the most cancerous and anti-fun playstyle in the game right now

[vivid pendant]

not even going to respond directly to a statement like that, lol
people that think you have to take EVERY fight with a ranger.... zzzzz

[ancient karma]

fighter has sprint/shields, warlock has pain/healing off mobs before pushing, wiz has zap/fireballs, barb has his movement shout/insane def on buffs from teamates, cleric has his buffs, bard has drum throws and speed, and rogue has invis, all these thints can potentially counter a ranger

[grim pecan]

Expectation and reality are very different things, kid. A mostly grey gear surviving all ten hits when most classes cant live 7 is not something that should happen. Not sure where you think that I'd want them to only die in 3, im guessing you have personal issues with wizard by that statement you said. But to live 10/10 shots when that's 150-170 dmg in total is not balanced. That class has 17% magic res and 96 health. That means he had enough perks and buffs to resist 150 or so dmg to live with 10, and or probably less hp... with grey gear. So should they just be unkillable according to you?

[edgy lagoon]

"guys im a barbarian who tried to chase down a ranger across the open fields in ruins and i died before getting to him, nerf that class" - also couldve sat inside a doorway and oneshot him with a headshot

[devout yacht]

people have been complaining about ranger since playtest 1. You're not providing any constructive feedback by crying in a discussion channel. Talk about brain rot LOL

[spare elbow]

Yeah my team killed a geared barb with earthquake yesterday, then their bard and cleric scattered and we chased them down, and this bard had so much damage he 4-5 tapped me from full hp with a rapier at 65% PDR

[grim ember]

? barb isnt gonna catch a good ranger wizards spells are super weak yes shield is good until you just shoot them in their feet warlock is super strong as I said once before

[knotty kestrel]

potentially, warlock and wizard have 3x less range than range, barb movespeed boost cant catch ranger, rogue invis sure? but rogues meant to counter ranged and still its 50/50 and bard can be shot by ranger from longer range for more dmg

[half vessel]

If people have been complaining about ranger since Pt1 then maybe there is a problem with ranger since pt1 smoothbrain

[ancient karma]

well as a wiz or warlock u need to close the gap smartly, i would know i main warlock and kill ranger's for lunch. its less on paper as it sounds

[high tree]

rogues can't counter rangers anymore with the basic invis, only if you have the occasion to rotate

imagine having you whole class identity revolving around being stealthy and having the only invis in the games out of wich you can be bumped. yikes.

[devout yacht]

they've been tuning the ranger since playtest 1 and have openly said they plan to change them and barb next balance patch. Learn to go loot for things instead of jumping straight to crying. The people who constantly use brain rot or smoothbrain are people who have low iq because they can't come up with original insults, the only thing that got is repeating stuff they're read on reddit lmaoooooo

[formal moon]

Oof. Big L, they were 800 last night

[ancient karma]

at the moment right now i dont think any class is too overtuned. its quite nice the way things are now

[formal moon]

Think all you need to do is cut the ranger speed debuff time in half and they'll be balanced.

[half vessel]

Thanks for admitting they need “tuning” ❤️ it took real courage to admit you’re wrong I’m proud of you

[potent horizon]

just got one shot by a ranger with a weapon damage build :)

[devout yacht]

there ya go, you're finally reading. Proud of you too man. Major character development to go back and read what I said. No one was saying they didn't need tuning. Was just addressing your crying when you said you can't push them or close the gap. Glad you finally caught up to the convo!

[rare venture]

They just need to get the weapon damage/magic healing nerf from a week ago in without the man child uprising we saw last week and everything will be perfect.

[ancient karma]

@potent horizon therealcheesecake anyone can one shot with dmg builds that doesnt mean the class is op it means the gear is better than urs, an unavoidable part of the gsme

[knotty kestrel]

I totally agree rogue is supposed to counter ranger but rogue sucks rn, i was just playing it and got into melee with stealth bonuses on a ranger and he just tanks all of my dmg

[high tree]

play with cutthroat, if you surprise a ranger with it he's dead. the real problem is getting into melee range first.

[tough harbor]

He invited people to challenge his opinion. Pushing opinions you disagree with away will not change anything or make things worse because of conflicts. And he is as free to leave as he is free to stay too.

[ancient karma]

with equal gear u should be demolishing in melee as rogue, at least with all headshots hit

[formal moon]

Imagine having a stealth class identity and need 2/3 perks, a specific build/gear set, and 1 skill to make it work

[flat mountain]

the circle in this game is the current source of almost every issue the game is facing. its a completely arbitrary mechanic that doesn't fit in this game at all

the reason gear diff feels so bad is because the circle forces teams into each other at a rapid rate. ungeared players have to push into or through the geared players to live, which almost always is just a death sentence. the circle is essentially a meat grinder that shoves the ungeared guys through the geared guys

as gear diff becomes more pronounced, the casual base of this game becomes more like fodder, who exist just to die to better gear. this is why the casual playerbase is becoming nonexistent, because the current design of the game is essentially CoD zombies where most of the playbase is the zombies.

the issues go away if the circle is removed... then suddenly high priority looting sites on the map gravitate the geared players. low priority looting sites will gravitate less geared players. this would be more organic gameplay, where the high risk players fight together for the big loot, and the lower risk players fight together for the worse loot. then the gameplay loop doesn't just consist of high risk players steamrolling low risk players because the circle pushed them together. players in a game like this need control over how much they want to risk and fight, it can't just be forced on them. forcing different gear types to fight fundamentally cannot work when gear is such a deciding factor of the fight.

battle royales don't work when one team has an absurd advantage over another from the start, and loot extractors don't work when they're done in a battle royale arena

[tough harbor]

What about balls of geared players rushing the whole dungeon anyway? I feel this is more common than ungeared players forced into geared players
In fact the circle forces geared players to fight eachother

[high tree]

Yep, that's the issue, the devs did some completely stupid shit with rogue. If they want to nerf rogue damage, they need to give him way more survivability than he has. Trap detection, no items on belt, silent steps should all be basekit for the rogue. He currently has the worst base invisibility in the game (wizard has no bump, free movement, increased speed / bard has group invis / white pot has more duration). Rogue has the worst magic resistance of any class in the game, the lowest HP for a melee class (second lowest overall). His movement speed is uselss with the crazy amount of slow applied on hit by a wide range of weapons. It's still very playable and a crazy strong choice to kill backliners, the issue is simply that at this moment, getting to those backliners is a real issue.

[rich owl]

Never said he wasn't welcome, just said in general that he is free to leave if he thinks the game is dead. He wasn't anywhere near argumentative since he just stated something without providing any reason he thinks why is it true, and then proceeded to state someone else is the problem when, in any case, he could have challenged my opinion but once again stated something out of the blue without any context.

[knotty kestrel]

we were both equal gear, basically stock, i came out of invis with a repier and hit him in the head 3/4 times and hit him with the 50% bonus dmg and my 20 bleed and he managed to run away and not die because his bard saved him but the fact that he tanked all that is crazy

[tough harbor]

Judging by the other messages they might be inexperienced (e.g. a teenager) so they might not know how to conduct or even actively avoid arguments.

[quasi olive]

Sorry to interrupt but I was wondering if anyone knows if someone from america and someone from china can play together with a stable connection?
also sorry if this is the wrong channel this question didnt feel like it was necessary in QnA

[terse crystal]

okay when the ranger going get its nerf 😛 lol every other class got crap on now its rangers turn right ??

[flat mountain]

removing circle is first step, but just general design philosophy of games with looting/extracting mechanics is making maps larger and concentrating good loot in particular marked spots. geared players will tend to engage other geared players over high reward locations, instead of just chasing down ungeared players for no reward. when designing it's just important not to reward geared players for killing ungeared players, and separate locations intended for geared and ungeared, so that the geared guys have no incentive to explore low loot density and run into the ungeared guys

[vivid pendant]

unlikely, one of you will experience lag at all times

[earnest scaffold]

HR is dead for sure though

[tough harbor]

That works in a game like Hunt Showdown where the boss is the main point of interest. How do you prevent DaD from going stale when there are POIs everywhere on the map?
And although I agree that a separation of reward would work, how do you prevent the high geared players from steamrolling everyone for fun anyway?
You just create 2 separate games in 1

[rich owl]

I don't get tired of this suggestion but for this to work they need to move to a fixed extract point mechanics and add more mechanics to avoid stagnation i.e Tarkov makes npcs respawn and players can continuously get into the maps.

[honest bolt]

The issue with this idea is it relies on the idea that geared players want more gear more than anything. But many geared players want to feel powerful and have safe easy wins over and over. So many geared groups will still go to the low loot areas and laugh at ungeared people as they slaughter them like pigs. This is shown with the large amount of high gear people never running hr and chasing down naked people

[silk moat]

oh no my raw rump is exposed i hope no ranger plants a big arrow in it

[vestal matrix]

is the game buggin for anyone else?

[mortal talon]

I think if you want to fix the game, you need to remove the option for juicers to go to normals. Because they aren’t going to do it by themselves because it’s the path of least resistance.

There should be starter - low gear gear lobbies and free for all lobbies.

[silent sphinx]

Troll pelt still hovering around 2 keys?

[rich owl]

I don't think this is entirely true. Personally when i'm fully geared i fight players to avoid getting backstabbed, my team getting killed or simply to avoid running out of portals.

[sand flume]

SUGGESTION FOR THE GAME: CONTEXT: Why does the game have to end as soon as the zone closes, often time there are fights towards the end and you dont get enough time to loot or even find a portal. + this mechanic makes it extremely difficult for solo or duo players (in the crypts) to compete. Most often a juiced three stack will be camping all the portals that spawn around the end zone just to slaughter off solo players (sometimes without even looting them) only to then take the down portal anyway. SUGGESTION: My solution to this would be to leave the game open, even after the swarm closes (as long as there are living players of course) and instead increase the swarms damage over time. This way there is enough time to still do some looting. The MAIN point however is that it disincentivises three stacks that are planning to go to the down portal (normally the juiced players) from slaughtering "timmys" and solo players. This is because they would be taking continuous damage from staying for too long and using up their healing. This in turn would give solo players a chance to escape even after the three stack left, granted they can stay a live in the zone for long enough. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR VIEWS, BUT IF YOU AGREE HELP IT TO REACH IRONMACE 🙂

[terse geode]

I got like 5,100 gold in my inventory and its taking up half my stash I have like no room i been thinking about how people are able to stash away so much money what do you guys do

[earnest scaffold]

Man what a great idea. Something like a level 1-14 lobby where you can't use the trade and after level 15+ you can use trade and... wait a minute

[worthy abyss]

why is solo crypts so easy and solo goblin caves so rough for me what level of shitty is this

[flat mountain]

i think they are already moving towards it, at least slightly. they've been adding higher and higher quality chests, like royal coffins and marvelous chests, and then guard them with harder mobs. assuming they made map larger and removed circle, this system would be sufficient to keep ungeared players relatively safe because they always have the ability to run/hide if they choose, no circle to get caught by, and they are not at a target destination of geared players, so they're less likely to encounter them anyway

[twin spear]

convert it into gold ingots or do what you can to get the larger coin bag/chest

[mortal talon]

Waaaaait a min…

[terse geode]

is it worth buying the ingots what are the rates and the economy fluctates so much will it be worth it?

[honest pasture]

lose your best two sets because it knocks you out of the game. GZ

[honest bolt]

That is definitely a reason that that can happen, but I am sure not every thinks about it the same. In addition just going into normals despite having full blues shows they would avoid the high gear areas, and this fight low gear people no matter the reason, for the lower risk involved

[mortal talon]

It’s iron maces inflation control feature.

[flat mountain]

i'm a huge fan of this idea, and i think it'd fit this game a lot. lobbies run forever, with people always dropping in and extracting. loot and mobs are always respawning on the map. would be such a dynamic and interesting game environment

[earnest scaffold]

Didn't we already try that in ruins back in the day and it wad terrible?

[twin spear]

gold ingots right now are about 800-1000 gold right now and i wouldnt expect them to drop but i dont think they will go up much more either and its worth cause most high tier gear trades are gold ingots or keys

[ember jetty]

so i just killed hr lich with 5k gear and when i was about to walk out guess what happend ? game ended abnormally, amazing fucking company bro, fix your shit ass game

[little sun]

For the circle subject, the fact that going full meh gear (1 stat green or blue) cost around 1k for most classes (5 armor slots, 2/3 weapon slots, 3 access, cape isn't in this budget tbf), game is forcing you to play teams right now that are mostly really good gear. So you have to all in to get low % to win. So unsure removing the circle is a good solution, but clearly agree with the problem statement.

[rapid arrow]

This game is much too ez now. Dude above whining about 5k likes it not easy as hell to get gold this aipe

[granite geode]

@twin spear as long as golden keys will go up in value (and they will cuz of how easy it is to make money atm) the prices of ingots will also go up

[tough harbor]

Ok so bigger maps sound like a good idea. But you still want players to interact and fight. PvP is main selling point of the game.
The circle is what made the battle royale genre work. I'm pretty sure there are ways to transition to a less rigid system but removing it completely with no alternative is not it

[knotty kestrel]

games like EFT dont have a zone but you can always get pvp cuz everyone is drawn towards the areas with the good loot

[rapid arrow]

This game would become wayyy to easy without a circle closing in.

[frail spire]

They aren't going to remove the circle such copium lol

[spare elbow]

Right easy 250-500 for a hell run if not more

[cold reef]

Name LOL, wrong

[last iris]

does magic healing only roll on certain gear, or does everything have a chance to roll magic healing

[ember jetty]

its easy but how would you like to lose your shit over a bug ?

[twin spear]

PvP is not the main selling point and this game isnt a battle royale if anything they need to remove the circle mechanic and just set timer to 20 minutes with portals spawning throughout the dungeon every 5 minutes (more portals than there are now) this will allow players to PvP as well as PvE with lower risk if they need to gear up

[devout yacht]

fairly certain everything can roll everything like a bow with spell capacity or magical healing

[flat mountain]

sure that's completely valid, i think as long as geared players are sacrificing important time and money to go out of their way to kill the ungeared players, it will be enough of an incentive to prevent seal clubbing, assuming players actually want money which should be straightforward enough. of course it will still happen occasionally, but if it's not as much of a regular occurrence players, it will not be as hard on newer/ungeared players

[lethal forge]

I feel like I find it on everything

[rapid arrow]

I also play this game so I have several times lol

[cold reef]

Remove circle. Put the round on a timer. add a second wave of mobs spawning in cleared rooms halfway through the round. Easy peasy

[silk moat]

in high roller are escape portals not announced?

[cursive shuttle]

Balance is hitting a bard twice with a warmaul and two fransceca and still getting 3 tapped with a rapier and one crossbow shot, no headhosts lol.

[twin spear]

HR has no kill feed in general just listen for portals and you should be fine

[reef umbra]

Then no pvp and where to find portals ? since zone doesnt shrink you would need 15 portals

[rapid arrow]

How often do u rats sit on the edge of circle? Have issues with circle, start moving before circle closes. Ezpz. Game shouldn't change completely because you were greedy and wanted to loot extra boxes in a room while circle closes

[silk moat]

every highroller game ive been in has had teaming smh

[tough harbor]

@twin spear @flat mountain DaD would want to be more melee oriented. Tarkov and Hunt are almost exclusively firearm based.
How do you prevent people from just running away and the mass of players collapsing at the extraction portals near the end? I wouldn't play an orgy simulator.
If there are no circles where would the portals open and how do you find them on a big map?

[sinful wolf]

What happens when you vendor for more gold than you can carry in your inventory? Just had a 400 gold collector sell round and I think I just lost a bunch of gold. Does it really just disappear?

[cold reef]

PVP would be at Points of interest and Extracts. (Where the heavy loot is) Remove portals and make extract locations. Those areas will be hotbeds for PVP.

[flat mountain]

it's just important to remember we have to be careful "forcing" fights because people have different gear levels and different willingness to fight. i would argue the pvp is secondary to gear acquisition and survival. players engaging each other over the reward makes it kind of like a reverse battle royale, where instead of players being pushed together, they are pulled together by seeking loot.

[cold reef]

Tell that to everyone who spawns outside the circle and spends the entire round chasing the circle, clearing mobs while taking zone damage, instead of being able to loot.

[wise gyro]

Storm doesn't hurt too much u can just hide in it and plan route to health shrine with map knowledge

[twin spear]

1. there should be more portals in general spawning across the map more evenly
2. if player wait until last minute and get greedy thats on them for losing for that reason
3. with more portals spread out there would be less forced fights with lower geared people vs high gear
   all of this combined allows high gear people to roam around for PvP if they want but still give the opportunity for lower gear players to catch up and essentially use "stealth" to build up loot making it more in line with tarkov and hunt (both games in which PvP is optionally with the occasional running into players)

[rich owl]

The key to this is how profitable would the high loots areas be? Would a single succesfull extraction when looting this area grant 500g or even more? This would make a lot of people consider risking if they knew they could certainly get purples or even uniques from them. And if quest include these areas then it would make them even more attractive. Eitherway in such games (imo) you can only promote such areas instead of forcing players to them. Also as @flat mountain suggestion by increasing the sizes of maps players can avoid fights more safely. As i see it it's a win-win scenario, people complaining about the circle would be more intrigued and wait times for lobbies would be significant reduced (not that they need it).

[lilac root]

meet counter class in goblin caves with more gear, time to say goodbye to all your gear.

[twin spear]

as much as people complain about GC 1v1s are the most fair and balanced fights the real issue with balance is in 3v3 where buffs multiply gear disparity by 10x making fights that much more unfair (this is from someone who has played all team sizes a ton and as base gear in GC killed full purples multiple times)

[fluid lion]

What class is that

[flat mountain]

i think being melee-oriented is a great idea, range is so strong currently and it's a shame becaus it completely overshadows the melee system.

but i don't think players running away will be an issue without a circle. players will clash over the loot and their thirst for pvp/looting other players. portals can be designed to avoid camping, but still be findable. they could keep the timer and just have the entire map be engulfed by bugs until a point where people start taking damage. i think there are many possibilities tho and plenty of them have merit if implemented properly

[last iris]

man just my luck, been playing a warlock for a few days and havent found it on anything 😂

[lilac root]

yeah, buffballs make 3 man dungeons unplayable, + this game becomes a part time job if u want any chance of obtaining any gear, its kinda lame

[light temple]

I'm losing my mind with people asking for MMR lobbies, does no one understand how pointless that would be?
I want to kill juicers not fight people with gear I can get from a couple of barrels and a chest

[tough harbor]

Alright, I think then the only thing left is to fix high gear players being able to chase you and kill you in the span of traveling 2-3 rooms.
Even as a medium gear player, this is what usually happens.

@twin spear How do you find spread portals opening on a big map with no circle?

[terse crystal]

lol point and click spells this game is so poorly optimized collision box and hit box of characters feels like roblox lmao

[twin spear]

how do you find extracts in tarkov

simple answer get used to the maps and navigating them with a longer timer for each game you can dedicate time to finding portals it would be a part of the game (like finding extracts in tarkov) or maybe add in a clairvoyance type thing that anyone can use to guide them toward a portal maybe with a cooldown or something

[tough harbor]

Ok and still I must ask, how do you envision stalemates will be resolved? There are many ways things can go in circles

[trim flax]

yo whats the community fav dagger?

[peak crypt]

short sword

[twin spear]

the timer will force a fight or retreat just like other extraction games

[terse crystal]

Can we go back to play test 4 .... this stuff is so boring and casual

[hazy pike]

playtest 4 was peak fun

[novel plover]

send all rangers to the warzone

[peak crypt]

Isnt that the pt where felling axe was like -15 movespeed or something insane? And achilles was even stronger. Locusts were also completely broken too, if I recall correctly, and they had to just axe scaling entirely on it

[terse crystal]

ranger is basically playing a FPS lmao

[limber verge]

dont like the game dont play, that simple. god I wish people in here would stop being so obnoxious.

[novel plover]

nah thats the playtest where people had more fun

[hard wharf]

Try this wizard build if y’all like fun ice bolt, invis, haste, fireball, chain lightning most fun I’ve had in this game

[peak crypt]

The game is just an fps now and if you’re still trying to melee people youre probably dying a lot. @novel plover I’m still p sure it was the PT where all 2h weapon had insane movement speed. And first pt with achille’s, second pt with GC

[twin spear]

The playtests werent really that much different its just with early access people have more time to optimize looting making gear disparity more apparent where with the playtests being only about a week people didnt really have the ability to do that so there was less good gear in circulation making the issue less obvious

[flat coyote]

We need low level lobby's added . What the heck ironmace?

[terse crystal]

Lol some smart words. You just think of that lol. You just as obnoxious for replying .... basically a hypocrite . whinning like all of us

[peak crypt]

Yeah exactly. Youre thinking of PT in rose tinted glasses. Take any PT and let it languish more than a week and it’s gonna be the same stale game but with 2 less classes and no ruins. And also inferno was an eyesore lol

[limber verge]

not trying to be smart, but if you're a massive crybaby who hates the game stop playing it.

[compact solstice]

Boys, go touch grass.

[formal moon]

Pts were just filled with more newbs and the meta was less defined

[unreal obsidian]

I'll say it.. Triple Ranger is nearly unbeatable.

[limber verge]

lmao? wizard cleric barb was the meta. Cleric was always the meta.

[south badge]

🤓go touch grass

[peak crypt]

I miss the PT newbs so much. Steam release can’t come soon enough.

[flat mountain]

i'd be a huge fan of procedurally generating the layout, so every run is at least somewhat different from the last, and people would have to genuinely "explore" the dungeon. they could remove the minimap, or zoom it in waaay more substantially than it is now so players have less overall knowledge of the layout without physically seeing it. they could have the resourcefulness stat zoom the map out, giving you more view. if ranged weapons were nerfed, ranger would become substantially weaker, so having him bring map knowledge and navigation to the team would be a neat shift. maybe he could see extracts on his map that other cannot, or something to this extent

[twin spear]

they plan for procedural gen

[sinful thorn]

NERF WARLOCK

[formal moon]

"Always" been meta, but early play test ppl were playing drunk monk or other meme builds. As I said, in general more newb behavior then and a more defined meta now

[limber verge]

no

[formal moon]

Warlock is fine, at this point you're just bad if you're dying to them

[fallow notch]

They added ruins ans doble jump is that playtest?

[radiant dome]

@zinc sparrow When do I get to make a DND campaign for me and my friends

[fathom iris]

does anyone know where to find a link to the trade discord

[last iris]

1+

[celest anvil]

+7

[turbid pendant]

Second, please add a dungeon that is the enchanted forest from stories that are so dark you can't see if it's day or night and the tunnels are formed from tree branch/roots ^_^ amazing game!

[hazy pike]

Why? Did they finally remove blow of corruption oneshots?

[turbid pendant]

I have two suggestions and I'd pay mad money for them, so I think others may be out there XD First, if a player kills someone while that someone is showing the "surrender" emote, the killed player should get to auto join the killers Voice Chat and "haunt" them till they leave the dungeon.

[formal moon]

BoC is easily avoided. Just kite and if they swap to cast push.

[last iris]

how do I set a roll to get into class specific channels

[bright pike]

“Expanding” stash via bags/chests being costly is a feature of the games economy, not a problem to @ the devs over 😤

[spare elbow]

[hazy pike]

Oh, so they then nerfed the casttime or movespeed during casts, so warlocks can't just keep running away while hitting people for 50% with one curse?

[formal moon]

No. Nerfed hp cost and heals from curses

[scarlet bronze]

So then just like a wizard zap but hitting a lot less and without haste invis and fireball.fuck autocorrect

[hazy pike]

Ok, that's great and all. Expecially since they can't keep blocking doorways with hydra anymore!

[cosmic copper]

Anyone know why I keep having trouble removing items from the trade window? Am I doing something wrong maybe? Or is it just bugged? @gentle tartan chinese currency

[gentle tartan]

what' rmb mean

[grim zinc]

Warlocks being able to heal off of their own Hydra seems like the clearest nerf to me. MHealing nerf is another example of low gold / default sets catching crossfire aimed at uber geared characters

... but I do strongly believe in letting the devs cook.

[rich owl]

From what i've calculated they are heavily gear dependent to achieve a fully heal off hydra, meaning they need +4 magical healing just to barely fully heal and more to make it comfortable.

[silk moat]

is there any way to get rid of empty gold pouches

[stuck wraith]

WHEN IS NEXT WIPE

[weak umbra]

in 15 mins

[grim zinc]

You're right, it's like -20 hydra, -5 CoP, -5 PoS? Healing 30 with double dot tick takes a decent bit of mhealing now. They're more just reducing the cost of the hydra, rather than full healing. Even still, it does hurt low gear locks with a few MHealing more than the monsters with like +15

[formal moon]

Awhile hommie. We haven't even gotten leaderboards

[hazy pike]

Being able to heal from your own summon is stupid. Period.
No matter what gear you require, giving a class the option to sustain without limitations or risk is just horrible for the game.
Even Clerics need to regain their spell charges by sitting down or via consumables.

[harsh blaze]

as long as warlock has basically infinite spells he will always be broken. No matter how much and what they nerf or buff.

[bold lintel]

you act like every geared cleric doesnt take 20 baja blasts in raid with them, they drink those things like thimbles of water. dont pretend thats a limitation or justification

[rich owl]

But clerics are tanky and can go into the frontline without any issue while warlock damage is either low or based on DoTs... except for the blow of corruption. On top they lose health when casting so it's nowhere near free to cast anything for them.

[brazen grail]

I'm surprised removing targeting your own Hydra wasn't their first reaction. I would like to see Hydra healing gone so they can buff other aspects of the kit.

[frail spire]

It's bc it's an intended interaction in the kit to heal off your hydra.

It makes sense.

[harsh blaze]

it costs a ton of money and takes up inventory space and costs time; instead of basically no cost at all.

[craggy beacon]

Does anyone know how many upvotes for the dark blue name?

[frail spire]

Personally I'm glad that Iron mace doesn't remove cool interactions in kit every time players rage about them.

Stop asking for everything interesting to get removed. Think of interesting buffs instead of just brain dead "I died to this, remove it"

[brazen grail]

Seems like a major design space barrier. I'd rather it be able to function better on its own.

[bold lintel]

casting costs time AND HEALTH. the only people saying warlock is still OP are people who have 1 gear, DURR I RUN AT YOU AND SMACK and they are surprised they die to being kited. sure warlock is strong if you play into his strengths, but the same can be said for every other class if not more so

[grim zinc]

I don't have a problem pvping against hydra. I think it's cool. Just conceptually healing off of a summon seems to break game rules haha. I'll admit that it takes a lot of gear before that's realistic. But I believe in buffing default loadouts, so locking aspects of a class behind gear seems odd to me

[manic wren]

there needs to be some sort of system to where if you have a certain amount of gear, you cant qeue into regular goblin caves. people out here with purples and legendarys just farming low geared people its so unfair

[frail spire]

???? Major design space barrier ????

What does that even mean? Designing kits to have interesting interactions between abilities is a "barrier"? Huh.

It costs 30 hp to summon hydra and cast a dot.... then takes a long time to heal back. It's only a small bit better than sitting to rest unless you have a lot of gear. That is cool to me, not some major problem.

Let the game designers do the game design thanks.

[grim zinc]

Tbf, making suggestions in gameplay discussion isn't exactly wrestling control of the game away from devs

[frail spire]

Making suggestions that are just "remove this thing bc I died to it" are not really useful either though.

Use your brain and think of something interesting to suggest.

[manic wren]

bro quit glazing so hard

[grim zinc]

I don't think it's because he/I/Us died to it. Hydra offensively is really cool. And healing off of Hydra can be completely non-problematic right now, and I would still just suggest that it's weird to have one class have an infinite source of hp (assuming the gear). I don't even think warlock is op. I think it should have power elsewhere.

[merry stag]

I think players shouldn't be allowed to play this game, we are the bad guys leave the poor skellies in peace ( I'm trolling ) 🙃

[frail spire]

.... okay lol.

[misty idol]

I'm tired of seeing Will and Knowledge on all my melee gear. I am a sole fighter

[bold lintel]

every chest has greens and blues. the gear difference between blue and purple is nothing. if you cant fight off someone who has 3 extra damage on their sword, you probably would die the same if you were wearing purps too. gear isnt the end all be all. yeah, you cant face tank a barb as a wizard or other squishy and thats a good thing. learn to avoid disadvantageous fights

[manic wren]

not what im saying. people with that much gear shouldnt be able to go into the GOBLIN CAVES. they just truck through everybody with no problem it gives nobody a chance

[brazen grail]

You're really putting words in mouths. I've never died to it. I want it removed because I think the rest of the Warlock's kit suffers as a result of its existence.

It's powerful, but it requires insane amounts of gear to be viable. It's meta because it's good, and buffing anything else will conversely buff the meta build. That's what I mean by design space limitation.

Maybe it can be worked to be decent at all levels. But the healing off it would need to be buffed a lot baseline, and the scaling would need to get a monumental nerf, which I think most people would be pretty unhappy with.

[grim zinc]

Yeah the DoT healing being strong is core to warlock. That shouldn't change. And Hydra doesn't need a nerf. Warlock is really cool atm, imo. I waited a longass time for new spells, and IM delivered. But I'm with @brazen grail on this one

[frail spire]

I think your just trying really hard to argue bullshit. Healing off the hydra isn't adversely affecting warlock. It isn't bending around hydra healing as some focal point. It's honestly a small interaction . Not something warlock revolves around.

The meta isn't warping around hydra healing. At all.

Like prenerf bard warped the meta. Landmine rogue warped it too. Hydra healing? Not even close.

It's just the latest thing to sit here and argue bullshit about.

Nothing profound has been said about it. Just "I feel like it's bad"

[lofty ruin]

yes double with will!! not even rogue use it! and archer dont use it either ! wtf

[ancient karma]

ur not always gonna pull good gear man its a part of the game

[severe glade]

I wish there were ways to make all stats more useful to each class. Something like a Magic Damaged based Eldtrich Knight style Fighter or a Wild Magic style Barb

[grim zinc]

Will is really good magic resist for a lot of classes. It already has a use. But knowledge, yeah...

[vapid oyster]

will gives MR and you can sorta play magic dmg fighter with the crystal sword

[lofty ruin]

i dont understand why fighter has 15 will and 15 knowledge if cant use it. maybe knowledge! but will why? they should have more points on str or resourcefulness or even agi!

[misty idol]

Na I agree but feels like I see will and knowledge more than any other trait

[ancient karma]

rolling any of the main stats are even chance its placebo cause it gives u a bad feeling when u see not what you want

[loud oasis]

Crystal sword fighter does insane damage and is super slept on for solo gc

[severe glade]

Ive never seen anyone with a Crystal Sword besides Wizards. That would be awesome to see. Ill probably try that now

[vital root]

Gear discrepancy is getting absurd now...people in good gear is one thing...but full purple and legendary is a bit much

[lofty ruin]

not it doesnt ! i have tried before . is bad for fighter

[harsh blaze]

i honestly think you have no clue about the game.

[ancient karma]

warlock isnt op bro crossbow him to one shot, throw 2 drums, sprint at em,, oops sorry didnt mean to respond to this message

[paper trellis]

revert goblin caves

[vital root]

Warlock indeed is weak outside of being well geared...once they get decent +magic damage and around 5-7 magical healing....then they get strong. Need to lower the high end, but raise up the bottom end to make them viable

[knotty kestrel]

the bottom end isnt even bad tbh, u bring in any melee weapon with blow of corruption and bolt of darkness and you're not that weak+ getting magic healing is pretty easy

[honest bolt]

Rogue is weak, warlock isnt terrible early but early rogue is just a loot goblin

[grim ember]

yeah rogue is in a bad spot right now so rogues just have to be a loot goblin to be able to play the game

[wraith mason]

Are there any plans in the nearby future to heavily rebalance damage scaling and armor effectiveness? In the current state, whether you have Greys or Epics, it only takes 1-3 swings to kill a player

I would personally rather see Grey Gear fights last longer. It doesnt make sense to me to grind for gear when I will still get 2 shot in full epic armor (which has happened many many times)

[honest bolt]

With how drastically they swing the pendulum I think it will be like u would like it at one point just to test at the very least

[main garden]

Is gear back to early patch 1?

[wraith mason]

I think it would be wise if they at least gave it a shot. I think most players can agree that, once you get a Blue+ weapon, you start really killing. Armor feels tremendously useless. Even in full plate I lose 90% HP to a crossbow shot

[limber verge]

what does that even mean

[honest bolt]

Tbf crossbow shots are one of the 2 things that have innate high armor pen.

[celest anvil]

it looks cool af, worth

[jolly tartan]

gives +10 mag resist

[honest bolt]

On high armor and low mr classes it can be useful imo

[wraith mason]

that does make sense, and REALISTICALLY speaking, a crossbow bolt would kill you in maybe 1 shot, but in a videogame, its a lot less fun if someone can do 90% of your HP and then hotswap to their spear to kill you - games like Dark and Darker thrive when theres more chance and time for these whimsical PvP encounters to last longer than 1.5 seconds. I used to be a big Tarkov fan, but that eventually drove me away from the game was the instantaneous deaths with 0 chance of reaction/fighting back. I just dont wanna see DnD fall into that 😭

I have been thinking lately, while playing, "why am I wasting all my move speed on Armor that isnt protecting me at all?" I could dodge more attacks, traps, weapon swings etc if I were naked - that just feels so painfully meta, and I hope they adjust it

[pastel pewter]

@wraith mason sounds like you are just bad at games?

[zinc gulch]

does rogue's "poisoned weapon" still scale with true magical damage?

[wraith mason]

I think my #1 gripe is just how squishy the player is in DnD, the game would be more whacky, fun, tactical, sweaty etc etc if fights lasted longer. Consumables would be more important, armor, spells - rather than cheesing Speed+Heavy dmg.

Id love to see player battles be 7-10 strikes, rather than 2-3

[vapid oyster]

I think they should just nerf longbows a bit, make it so longbow is more of a tradeoff by making you basically stand still while it's drawn or something, recurve and survival bows should be the mobility options but right now rangers aren't really sacrificing anything by always picking longbow

[tropic fiber]

try buff ball comp vs buff ball comp. youll be hacking at each other for 5 minutes before someone dies

[limpid igloo]

does the troll pelt drop in normals

[winter jetty]

Geared fights last forever

[zinc gulch]

yes

[main garden]

Remove movement speed cap 👍🥳

[strong venture]

cap normal game, green items max on normal game, all items high roller and high roller freeeeeee

[round pulsar]

they need to fix the damn portal spawn in the ruuins

[wraith mason]

pez-In all my Epic Armor fights, I am dead in 3-4 hits. Starter barbars can still 2 shot you, as well. I just remember it feeling soooo shitty, like I wasted so much time for no reason

press x-I honestly think that would be more fun than the current state, with shields barely working, and 2H wep dmg being 50+% of your HP, there isnt much of a fight left. When I play double shield spear fighter I feel like a literal god its kinda gross sometimes, but when I play cleric I feel like a rabbit in a damn field lmao

P3-I run buff ball, havent tried it with Bard yet though, theyre kinda tricky! Even when I fully buff my party members, theyll lose my 20hp shield+50% of their HP in one swing, anyway - then I think the same thought as always: "well that was a huge waste of time, I should have just focused damage"

Whenever I play aggro+move speed I dominate. When I try to play heavy/slow, I get destroyed. The only counter to Barbar's is not getting hit since there is nothing that ca withstand a direct blow from their attacks, not even epic plate armor. I fear for DnD's future where everyones sprinting around at topspeed, dolhpin diving corners, and 480 no-scoping people with crossbows while bloat maxxing with an all-drum Bard SPeed build 😭 🏳️

[vapid arch]

skill issue

[last iris]

Does blade of corruption count as dark magic (IE getting damage boost from dark enhancement perk)?

[vapid oyster]

nope, unless that changed last patch I guess

[wanton garden]

This^

[strong venture]

cap normal game, green items max on normal game, all items high roller and high roller freeeeeee

[tropic fiber]

almost everything in this game is a skill issue. if you analyse your play when you died i guarantee you will find the mistake that lead to your death.

[vapid arch]

the mistake is taking a fight whenever you dont have an advantage

[lofty ruin]

true dude im playing fighter slayer movespeed and that its movespeed i ran from fighters ran from barbs not just like a rat use bow throw bottles knifes. agros mobs. and maybe 1 hit.

[naive seal]

The complaints about ranger are insane, if you are a cloth user expect to be two shot by a long bow, if you have plate or even hard leather it takes 3-4 shot to take someone down. All while they are sprinting zig zagging at you and the shot delay is insane. When they get to you you just die instantly. Just don’t force a fight with a ranger play to their weakness not their strength.

[vapid oyster]

jokes on you I play duo ranger in crypts and kill 3 man teams all the time. They're silly lol. Go in with blue longbow + blue spear + 10+ traps between us and we have no weak spots. I kill barbs with my spear all the time lol.

[upper compass]

how do i report teamers in goblin cave

[vital root]

The only thing needed for rangers is to remove the slow on arrows

[naive seal]

Yeah but you are playing to your strengths, it’s skill playing smart, you should be killing the non cleric fighter stacks.

[round tundra]

Whoa. I took a few days off between the rollback, come back and it seems like golden keys - and ingots - became really inflated in price

[upper compass]

literally 3v1 i have Screen shots of 2 of them, where do i report teamers for goblin caves.

[weak umbra]

were they teaming on purpose?

[vital root]

Teaming is defined as people queuing up together...not people dynamically assisting each other...that is fair play

[hearty star]

Just gathered a rogue kit worth (Roughly 2 keys) I que into a ruins, all is fine. A geared fighter with leather on... seems easy enough. I surprise him out of stealth 5 hits with a rondel, He starts violently swinging his Falchion hitting me twice. 2 Hits I drop...... I spectate him and he's half health, after second wind, with green/blue leather armor with "kinda random" stats. Mind you my kit is almost perfect stats worth around 12k with a legendary rondel.... How is this fare? Skill issue? Class difference? Luck? Gear?

[white sorrel]

U need videos, not screen shots. But, if it's teaming through VOIP it is allowed. Teaming before going into the game and then queue'ing at the same time is bannable

[normal reef]

game feels like it's in a good spot

[weak umbra]

skill issue, no good rogue will ever use a dagger

[vital root]

Half life after second wind? Second wind is 50% heal...you basically had him dead. Rondel is very low damage

[hot cobalt]

can we get a fat barb nerf like the rogue got

[vapid oyster]

oh ya we don't even need any support between the usual med items and the field ration. Why can I run at full speed while using an instant heal lmao? I can run faster than a barb while healing and it aint even heal over time. Good luck catching me while I heal and my friend is shooting you

[long relic]

please for the love of god iron mace hire some talent to back the good idea you stole. you look like children trying to drive a rocketship. you hide under this early access title but really this game is beginning development at best. you have nothing more than some store bought models and a dream. hire some talent. play your game.

[lunar heron]

Is the rollback still happening?

[white sorrel]

Daggers are terrible, any good rouge is using short sword or rapier. @hot cobalt If Barbarian got a -15% movespeed penalty after Rage for the same duration as the Rage I think it would be fine. @upper compass #1056520745330675763 Also, good job on the spelling and punctiation there.

[upper compass]

i literally have recording of hole thing, Noone can prove someone pre-qued together, noone was even in voice chat talking. I took the screen shots because its easier to see their names and them grouped together. Thanks for not answering my question on where to report and instead trying to regurgitate some rules

[weak umbra]

nobody needs to be in voice chat, just crouch and then run together. also devs can prove it, at least they say so

[spiral shadow]

Does anyone know how effective the creep perk for the rogue is?

[vital root]

Not as effective as the other perks 😉

[misty trench]

whats 1 gold ore worth please tell me

[primal zephyr]

spider silk casually went up from 150g to 500g what the banana

[normal reef]

whatever people are selling it for onn the market

[arctic monolith]

ingots were ~850-900 last i checked wouldnt be surprised if it was already higher

[rapid ridge]

Bro wtf, i just escape from goblin cave and they just dont give anything that i escape with

[rich owl]

Can you elaborate on how they stole the idea?

[bright rune]

ironmace can’t win. when they were doing week long playtests every few months, everyone was screaming and crying to bring the game to early access, saying the game would die if they didn’t let people play it

now it’s in early access and people are screaming and crying to fix it, saying it’s trash. meanwhile they’re patching the game like 1000000 times per day

it’s like my god the entitlement. just rest your little head, they are working bro. they’re testing shit out

[woven frigate]

Hello IronMace, I cool feature to add to the game would be a testing area, an area with training dummies that you can test out your damage on to gauge how different modifications you make to your build affect your gameplay! This would be an isolated area that you can access anytime before heading into a raid

[shut sequoia]

hi i crash whenever i try to enter a game but my pcc can easily run the game

[rustic mist]

Doesn’t sound like it’s running it easily

[paper trellis]

revert goblin caves...come on guys say it with me lol we need our caves back!!

[wraith mason]

This is exactly what ive been trying to discuss with people - armor and gear make VERY little sense with how things are currently balanced. people with shitty gear shouldt be able to anihilate heavily geared players, it just doesnt add up, it constantly makes you think "why did I waste the time to get this gear? it didnt help"

And when people mock you for using a Dagger, and then blame you for "not knowing its bad" like, how is that a players fault for using items within the game? the dagger being bad isnt the players fault, its the developments fault 😭 (ily devs, I know its not easy)

[hearty star]

Thank you for being respectful and understanding with your reply. 😄 Everyone just goes "obviously your bad" like nah man been playing for awhile not rank 1 but above average

[strong venture]

cap normal game, green items max on normal game, all items high roller and high roller freeeeeee

[weak umbra]

no

[brave storm]

Account must wait till (timer) to use this feature for the trader wtf does that mean

[pastel frigate]

Stop using daggers

[rapid vapor]

If your account is new there's an amount of time you have to wait until you can trade. It's to discourage bots

[strong venture]

cap normal game, can equip green items max on normal game, all items high roller and high roller freeeeeee*

[long burrow]

i just did a good first run and it reseted my inv rip

[spare elbow]

If he is half hp after second wind that means you basically killed him but one second wind tick saved him in time. Second win heals half hp

[trail wraith]

How much are the enchanted fabric worth?

[hearty star]

Dont use a weapon designed for a class. Got it. @spare elbow Im trackin all just wanted to share the short story on how gear doesnt matter. End of the day some classes just get 1/2 shot.

[brave storm]

Is it per class I make? It’s an older account just haven’t played much.

[rapid vapor]

It's just for the account. If your account is older than 3 days you may want to reach out to support

[spare elbow]

Yeah of course rouge is intentionally squishiest. If it makes you feel better i got 4 tapped by a bard while i had 65% PDR yesterday.

[hearty star]

Thats always fun xD 4 tapped by a bard with insane attack speed so like 4 attacks in 1 second

[fathom monolith]

Man Ranger is starting to get on my nerves

[rapid vapor]

Does anyone else think circles close too fast for a slow paced game

[loud creek]

Damn bro you need to relax and hit the gym

[vapid oyster]

ya I wish final circle had more time. Totally sucks being in the middle of a big fight and having the circle close and just everyone loses

[earnest ginkgo]

cosmetic class lol just play fighter with dual wielder better rogue then a rogue

[rare shell]

does this game even have an anti cheat? lol

[spare elbow]

Yeah he was insanely fast too. Like rouge MS speed at least…. Crazy sh. After we earthquake killed their barb we chased them into a big room and he just ran tf around me and killed our ranger while i was just out of range behind him lol

[hearty star]

Yes. Cant even fight near the end cause its just a scramble for portals.

[rapid vapor]

My issue is if you're hella geared it doesn't matter because you'll one tap through content and players. Meanwhile low kit or weaker players have to slog through it and keep pushing to circle, which forces low gear players to get less loot and towards other teams

[tropic fiber]

they have to nerf bard some more tho aye. ngl that class is still disgsuting. they need to nerf cleric as well. self buffing/self healing is getting out of hand.

[brisk forge]

me and my nephew just started the game, should we run ruins map or howling crypts?

[frail spire]

That sounds like it's working as intended. You progress in the game. You get stronger. Good. Starting weak is the point.

[mystic agate]

Buff rogue utility not damage. It is fine to have a rat class enjoyed by solos. Give inherent lock pick, caltrops not capped at a certain amount but on a cooldown, add 15-20s more back onto stealth (it should not be a fucking grey invis pot). It teaches people the game to play like a rodent

[rare shell]

I just wish there was less packet loss so when I dodge attacks it actually works lol

[rapid vapor]

You're missing my point. If you don't start in circle you have to push to circle so you get less loot because you progress through content slower. It also means more players are pushing to the same circle forcing fights in gear that's so weak the most common advice given is to just rat.

[rich owl]

Why people keep saying every class 1 taps when geared? The only class with the potential to 1 tap is a Barbarian AND MAYBE a geared warlock with blow of corruption. That's it. The rest of the classes need to either attack more than once to get kills or trade blows and only really insane gear can make them to 2 tap. But for this they all need to land headshots including the barbarian.

[bold lintel]

its hit or miss. ruins is 2man map but a lot of people kill everyone because "they may have gold ore. gotta die" where as ccrypts has geared 3 mans but more likely to let new players go as long as you arent charging them with sword out.

[frail spire]

Yea, so? Where's the problem?

[honest bolt]

They could keep it at 20second invis but make stealth perk innate. The issue is u have to invest heavily into being a rogue atm and u do no damage or invest heavily into damage and do some, if u have gear u can do a good bit

[pastel frigate]

I hope u realize almost every class can use a dagger too

[rapid vapor]

So players in low or no gear cannot get stronger because they don't have the opportunity to loot and get stronger. It's a negative feedback loop.

[frail spire]

Yes they can get stronger. You just have to get better. I extract naked all the time. It's SO easy to gear up from zero right now.

[bold lintel]

not true, many classes can 1 tap with a crossbow. insanely geared bards can 1 tap most with a drum. cmon now. @rapid vapor then get out with loot, you dont have to fight everything you see

[hearty star]

Rogues... with daggers.... in every story,game,book,video. Daggers can be used by all but only mastered by rogues. Like Rangers and bows.... fighters can use them but rangers have perks for them and master them

[still osprey]

WHY IS GOLD WORTH SO MUCH WTFFF

[rapid vapor]

I'd recommend ruins over crypts. Crypts is rather bad for new player experience right now

[spare elbow]

You are correct daggers shouldnt be avoided buy rouges because theyre too bad, but the game is in a state where that is the case rn

[violet coral]

It's crazy to me that people can't go in naked and extract with loot... It's so easy. There are so many resources for helping you get better, but instead they're all on here complaining that "there needs to be a PvE only mode" or "there is too much PvE to deal with on goblin caves" it's sort of ridiculous

[brisk forge]

tyvm

[honest bolt]

My issue with that is the team game aspect. If ur playing with friends that arnt playing solos to get gear, then u all have to extract or decide who is extracting and who is getting the chance to find another or die.

[limber verge]

I've said it before I'll say it again: the people that complain here and on the reddit don't want to learn, don't want to get better, they want the game to be easier. That's it.

[ashen night]

Theyre easy loot drops🤷‍♂️ let them suffer

[uncut ferry]

wtf bought ingots for 1k and theyre already worth 1.1k, can they fix inflation lmao

[nocturne walrus]

What do yall think about giving a temporary buff to the person who kills the troll? Right now theres not a ton of incentive to be the one to kill it, and you end up getting 3rd partied like 80% of the time

[spare elbow]

Maybe if every locked chest in normals didnt drop 75 gold worth of collectables lol

[rich owl]

Provide a video for your evidence. A crossbow can only 1 tap with a headshot (as i stated) and requires the target to have seriously low armor in a game that AR was reworked for the better for everyone. I've only 1 tapped a grey rogue once with a headshot using a crossbow and that was one time out of months of playstyle.

[limber verge]

Just kill the troll with gear instead of naked and you're fine. 90% of people in goblin caves are default.

[peak crypt]

Wouldnt matter unless it’s some godly buff like getting a bounty in hunt or something. Otherwise all the rats will just wait it out, after all they’re the kinda rat players that just camped a troll fight lol

[uncut ferry]

legit having stash issues on multiple characters with how much gold im getting, i think the issue is the fact that its so easy to get out of GC now

[gusty kindle]

facts. they will complain no matter what. sometimes the only actual answer is git gud

[violet coral]

Cave Troll just needs to be more difficult to kill imo. I shouldn't be able to kill a main-boss naked with every class. There should be gear checks (damage you cannot avoid) in order to make fewer people go for it

[bold lintel]

when im playing with someone we never take solo portals. you go with your teammate to look for another. only exception is if you have a ultra high value item that will easily replace the others kit if it comes to it. otherwise its ride or die. @rich owl your honor, i submit into evidence the defendants own testimony, "The only class with the potential to 1 tap is a Barbarian AND MAYBE a geared warlock with blow of corruption. That's it."

[mystic agate]

ingots, keys, candy corn even.

[nocturne walrus]

Well even in HR geared people come to take stuff

[spare elbow]

That is partly true but even in basic gear a team can aquire enough better gear to do a hell run in one match now, so even a full base gear team if they play smart and get to hell (alone preferably) they can all walk out with significantly better gear, back up gear and 200 plus gold each

[peak crypt]

Yeah it’s a joke tbh. I farmed up like 2k plus over the weekend from very very few HR GC runs. 2k is basically worthless at the moment and will be even worse by the time i get home from work.

[uncut ferry]

thats the problem, im spending 10 min after each round buying gold ingots just so i can afford to make room for what i got in the dungeon, i want to bonk people not sit in trade chat

[rich owl]

Good thing you ignored the part where i stated that the only possible reason to 1 tap is by doing a headshoting including the barbarian. Your counter argument is accepted but you still lack evidence proving your point.

[thin patrol]

Why the fuck do monsters have such big hitboxes, its not realistic when there is infinite space on the left of a monster but I cant go through it because the game devs define bad hitboxes, fix them!!

[south badge]

WTS Gold Ingot 20k downpayment

[honest bolt]

I disagree with making troll harder, it already requires people to practice and learn with each class, unless u make it so hard it requires multiple people ur just going to increase the gap between people who practice and people who are to lazy to try.

[random echo]

in HR it can get tricky esspeically in those last few zones. you must be taking red portals most of the time. finding three blues can be very hard in HR. norms are different

[gusty kindle]

did u make or get the troll sack? treasure chest also

[peak crypt]

And this is how people eventually wind up with an inventory full of meds just killing normal lobbies cause the rest of the gameplay loop has gone stale lol

[uncut ferry]

too many keys now lol

[violet coral]

I mean the people who are too lazy to learn or try just sit outside the door and wait for you to kill it anyway. My point is that it's a boss and literally anyone can kill it naked. Makes no sense.

[thin patrol]

Why the fuck do monsters have such big hitboxes, its not realistic when there is infinite space on the left of a monster but I cant go through it because the game devs define bad hitboxes, fix them!!

[ashen night]

I mean thats no different than people doing no hit runs in dark souls.

[south badge]

stop backing into corners fix that genius

[gusty kindle]

its also a solo boss. yes u can kill it naked, but theres no room for mistakes. one wrong step and ur dead. i think its hard enough already

[bold lintel]

no, you said only possible on barb and lock w/ BoC if they hit headshots. learn english my guy. also i can dm you the clip if you really want. 177 damage drum and 202 damage crossbow with 135 body shot (which will 1 shot most classes)

[honest bolt]

They can kill it naked if they get to it really early and then still quite often have to be in the death area by the end of it. If ur against kills naked then it just in favor of increasing the ttk with increased health or Regen. Increasing ttk doesn't make it harder it just makes it more time consuming and thus less fun

[peak crypt]

The way it’s designed encourages you to do it naked because the fight, more or less, requires you to do it perfectly, anyway.

[rich owl]

Post the link here, and scroll up to where i said every single class needs to headshot for the 1 tap potential if they are insanely geared. And please provide the video, hopefully you won't show me a player testing damage on dummies.

[thin patrol]

you fucking barbarian monkey, dont assume I am stuck in some corner getting gangbanged by monsters, my problem is that a skeleton takes all the space of a valley even though there is enough space on his left or right to pass by him, but the game doesnt let one do it because of the big unnecesary hitboxes

[uncut ferry]

thats another issue too lol, i dont even buy meds anymore because everyone i kill exept naked have 20 potions in their inventory,ive become so wastefull with healing items now

[spare elbow]

Bard op. They should turn him back into a team buff class not self buff Rouge Fighter hybrid

[ivory cedar]

You fucking barbarian monkey is actually the greatest thing I’ve ever seen on this cord lmao

[peak crypt]

It’s pretty clever coming from a guy who apparently cannot walk around a skeleton for some reason.

[ashen night]

“Game not realistic because i cant slip by skeleton” bro its a skeleton walking without a muscular system. None of it is realistic

[rare shell]

pee is stored in the balls

[bold lintel]

yeah, because the game regularly shows you damage numbers when you hit someone, right? lets just rule out THE ONLY WAY TO TEST DAMAGE IN THE GAME as nonsense. pretty sure the bot wont allow clips. https://www.twitch.tv/smeefu/clip/TenaciousClumsyRingDoubleRainbow-yyPIUgOuY71kc60U welp it worked

[honest bolt]

Don't forget magic exists as well as demons and albinos

[indigo grove]

Anyone else feel like the centipede under the flame geysers in HR variant is doodoo? you gotta break the wooden barrier first. I should probably stop trying it on rogue, headshots from centipede poison while breaking that wooden barrier are OP

[violet coral]

Albinos 😂

[craggy nymph]

There should be a piss bar that fills up the more potions you drink and you piss yourself and slip in it and become incapacitated for 5 seconds if it fills up, this should easily fix the potion problem

[limber verge]

furry pfp = blocked. stay weird

[rich owl]

Wanna know why i asked for a video not testing on dummies? Because semi geared players have WAY more AR than a dummy even headshot damage reduction. But yeah, i agree bards (with insane gear) should be added to the 1 tap tier. Although if they land a headshot throwing a drum or with a crossbow i applaud them if they are not using a third party software.

[weak umbra]

[honest bolt]

The nerf to alcoholic clerics

[peak crypt]

Rangers are the only class that should have piss-yourself mechanics. And the ranger should piss himself every time he stashes his bow. IT IS LORE ACCURATE. DO NOT @ ME

[craggy nymph]

Ranger also has IBS and agressively shits themself every time they eat bread

[bold lintel]

can anyone else interpret this as meaning eVEry cLaSS cAn 1 SHot wITh HeADsHots? "Why people keep saying every class 1 taps when geared? The only class with the potential to 1 tap is a Barbarian AND MAYBE a geared warlock with blow of corruption. That's it. The rest of the classes need to either attack more than once to get kills or trade blows and only really insane gear can make them to*** 2 tap***. But for this they all need to land headshots including the barbarian."

[sand quartz]

Rogues should get a breakdancing skill to replace Tumble

[old hill]

Cleric needs to be hard nerfed and anyone playing rouge needs their username flagged for being a child molester

[rare shell]

hahaha

[agile tangle]

skill issue tbh

[honest bolt]

Having a bad day lov?

[peak crypt]

You both look terrible in this argument tbh. Haha, oh wow, you really got him by poking tiny little holes in his gigantic hyperbolic statement, pretty awesome. Everyone knows anyone whining on discord about getting “2 tapped” was running around with 30% health lost to a skele guardsman

[craggy nymph]

Cleric's mace should face backwards and it hits himself every time he swings, but infinite heals on self

[high hemlock]

is anyone having voice chat problems?

[old hill]

just want to get the boys riled up before i head out for the day

[rare shell]

yeah not ganna lie this game is kinda bad lol, the gear indifference is too much to get into it if youre not a sweaty bastard

[weak umbra]

what's so sweaty about opening some chests and gearing up

[gusty kindle]

tumble is such a troll skill lol. smoke cloud also. they should replace it for a throwable smoke bomb, that would actually be rly useful. tumble could be good if it was way faster, like a dash or something

[peak crypt]

It’s called “Smoke Pot” it’s only meant for memes and RP, my man. (Tumble is one of the things that makes me lose faith in the devs though)

[honest bolt]

Time sink to get gear vs ease to lose it, people who only play like 5 hours a week aren't gonna have any fun

[bold lintel]

if you are STILL crying about rogues when they are 10x weaker than they used to be (just above a joke class) then all hope is lost for you. @peak crypt i agree, but its about (though probably a lost cause) getting them to self reflect and not believe their frustrated rantings as the word of god etched in stone. things arent always as you recall them

[marble tangle]

Wizards should have a Levitate spell.
Rogues should be permanently invis.
Barbs should be immune to magic.
Rangers should have different arrow types, like armor penetrating or fire arrows.
Clerics should have a teleport.

[gusty kindle]

i rly doubt thats the devs intention. you could say that about pickpocketing, but smoke bomb is clearly something that could be useful

[weak umbra]

you can be fully geared in like an hour tho, not a problem for anyone

[rare shell]

I kindof like doing other things besides grinding a jank game in all of my spare time lol, the game is basically who spends their free time more playing wins lol

[agile tangle]

Why would a Cleric need a teleport? You sound like you have a touch of the tism.

[random echo]

why are the servers so bad. i escape and when i get back to stash no loot from my run.

[rich owl]

And the fighter? Wait why cleric have a teleport?

[peak crypt]

No it’s definitely really named “Smoke Pot”

[unborn hamlet]

Cobalt powder or cobalt ingot sells better ?

[old hill]

Actually I think rogues are in a good place now balance wise (with the exception of their max damage output with top tier gear), I just hate rogue players

[arctic cove]

WARNING: US servers are unstable, dont bring gear

[static pasture]

A golden key is worth about 10K gold right now, and I thought 3K gold for a golden key was crazy enough a month ago.

[marble tangle]

Fighter's Second Wind should just be a passive that rolls 24/7.
Cleric should have a teleport, because they're slow. They need a slight buff in movement skills. Maybe a Blink Strike instead of teleport though, so they get a guaranteed hit in with it? Idk, still brainstorming.

[rare shell]

I'll say it again, I dont like grinding a jank game in my spare time, the game is based on whoever spends more time playing wins, it doesn't depend on skill level a lot of the time, just difference in stats from grinding.

[zinc gulch]

I play rogue andi feel like it's in a good spot rn if you have tons of + damage it does become a lil too strong but you can say the same for rangers

[frail spire]

Cope

[gusty kindle]

omg u must be dull or something, whatever the name of the skill is, thats not he point. lmfao. have u seen any statements by the devs that they intended this to be a troll skill? or are u just assuming?

[peak crypt]

I thought the name made it pretty clear, yeah.

[rare shell]

you're right bro, studying and having a job is for sure a skill issue

[agile tangle]

Why do 90% of you have the fighter tag? No way all of you are FOTM meta nerds...right?

[marble tangle]

The tags are dumb, lol.

[thorn rune]

Bro thinks fighter is meta

[frail spire]

@agile tangle rogue lmfao.
Let me go find you playing when rogues were fotm...

[gusty kindle]

i have every tag simply for having access to each classes channel

[calm copper]

Can anyone give me any kind of pointer on counterplay against rogues as a cleric? I can be really kitted as a cleric and I still cant do anything in GC. I can block their hits all day but theres no chance for me to get a shot in without getting just tapped out quickly

[peak crypt]

All classes become fighters after enough +all stats, so, most players eventually earn the fighter tag without even trying. Hell, a bard becomes a fighter after playing rousing rhythms.

[marble tangle]

Ambush Rogues, I'm guessing? They go invis, then hit you a couple of times, and you're dead? Or what exactly is the issue you're having?

[agile tangle]

ain't no way we are playing the same game if you think that. You must be playing grey and greyer or some shit.

[zinc gulch]

Rogues can't all in a cleric because cleric is too tanky you need to run holy strike or judgment to counter

[calm copper]

So yeah they go invis and run at me (often I see this happen) and then they start swinging. I can hold my shield up and block them for... essentially forever BUT I can never respond with damage

[thorn rune]

What does fotm stand for? @agile tangle in highroller meta is barb buffball 😄 you seem to play playing green and greener

I use cleric buffball and shit on most

[frail spire]

Its actually barb or fighter rn.... not always barb

[mystic agate]

prostitute merchant when

[gusty kindle]

have you tried using holy strike? its great to keep people off you and damage them a bit before engaging in meelee. u must be probably be already doing this, but keep ur buffs up. if i hear any player sound near me, i buff up quick, cuz i know im going to get ganked anytime

[deep hatch]

so how much is a old rusty key roughly worth?

[peak crypt]

Smite on a magic staff can out dps some rogues. Magic damage on the staff is an overlooked buff to smite.

[agile tangle]

FOTM = Flavor of the Month. Changes based on buffs and nerfs of every patch.

[calm copper]

$1.5mil USD

[spare elbow]

I was using holy strike with a bunch of bonus magic dmg and will yesterday, it was absolutely melting people

[thorn rune]

Ah. Hopefully that continues I think it’s fun switching up what you play. With less of an imbalance of course

I still main bard and will probably continue to

[marble tangle]

Try two things. First off, you can try just man fighting them. Instead of blocking, just bop them on the head. I'm not sure what your build is, or what spells you're using... If you're trying to be a caster, then try to keep distance and Holy Strike. If you're trying to be a melee boy, then hopefully you have your buffs up. Use Smite, if you have it.

Option two: Run away. Kite out the Rogue's ambush damage. It lasts 3 seconds after they break invis. So, if you can keep away from them for 3 seconds, they lose their invis bonus damage. Fight them after that.

[gusty kindle]

yes, sometimes ill kill players just with the strikes, its rly good. u can hit players behind doors. great for killing rangers 😄

[calm copper]

@gusty kindle @spare elbow what kind of stats in your gear are you looking for when running holy strike? I haven't really experimented with it too much

[peak crypt]

Does anyone even know where to use the rusty key?

They vaguely stated it was in HR pool but I’ve never seen anyone describe where to use it.

[deep hatch]

no idea just got the key and was wondering what's it worth i know the gold but not the old XD

[spare elbow]

Enough knowledge to have spells you want, then any will or magic damage bonuses possible. Cast speed is a nice boost too if it happens to be on a good gear piece. But you end up pretty squishy if you are full focusing magic damage instead of having plate with decent magic rolls

[clear yacht]

what do yall think of the pricing for golden key/troll pelt?

7000 gold for a key seems kinda wild imo

[peak crypt]

Totally busted. Economy is broken. Devs wanted to oversupply the economy. And they did that. Then turned down the gear spigot and let gold flow at ridiculous rates. They sure did prove that basic economic principles have some relevancy.

[deep hatch]

thats about right for golden key i know troll pelt is roughly 2-3k

[thorn rune]

Yeah I think the use for gold keys needs to somehow regulate what they cost instead of it just being trading fodder
Treasure hoards aren’t really worth it

[calm copper]

hmm interesting. I will have to look into it and try it out! Thank you for the input

[clear yacht]

people are asking for upwards of a golden key and 3 gold ingots just for a troll pelt. then to buy a golden key it's around 7 gold ingots too

[peak crypt]

First trade was dead cause vendors were too good. Now trade is dead cause everyone has so much gold that they can’t actually afford to sell anything for something as worthless as gold.

[gusty kindle]

+add magic damage (i think its the one the raises ur damage more than anything). focus on will, knowledge. my build is a little weirder, i usually go for only leather gear, so i can be faster, no shield and a morning star. sounds weird but it has worked beautifully for me.

[old sigil]

All my character just got deleted, this happen to anyone else??

[quaint marten]

I believe you can only use it in the Ruins map

[bright pike]

Any good way to get unstuck from a chest/wall??!! Gonna die in swarm unless anyone got a tip - Closing it didn't unstick 😦

[rose moss]

how much are purple capes worth usually

[oak juniper]

Where exactly does the Golem on Ruins spawn, in the worm room in the center?

[quaint marten]

ctrl+f the chest

[mossy ember]

What are keys used for?

[bright pike]

Closing it didn't unstick 😦

[terse geode]

How much could i get for rare dark plate that has + 3 phys damage and +2 True phys damage

[lofty quail]

100g

[sand quartz]

What changes with pickaxes and the different rarities?

[silk scarab]

i have only noticed they do more damage. I dont think mining gets any faster or anything

[vernal depot]

Why are gamers running full purple legendary gear in gc?

[rare venture]

Cause why not?

[limber verge]

because they have the gear? whether you like it or not it's allowed.

[peak crypt]

That was where it was originally but it was removed from there at the start of wipe 2. Recent patch said Rusty door reintroduced in “High Roller pool” but i have never seen anyone identify WHERE in the Crypts/inferno the rusty door is

@oak juniper Golem spawns underneath tower bridge, too. Right in front of where the rusty door used to be.

[marble tangle]

Are you the Ranger I killed with two curses?

[rapid vapor]

Apparently it's in the first crypts map bottom right corner

[high tree]

.......

[peak crypt]

Niiice. Finally someone found it, lol. Was that on the wiki or did you just know?

[rapid vapor]

I was told that's where it is, I assume it's on the wikis map

[ocean hemlock]

If gold is worthless. That would mean gold sellers would be out of a job? 🤣

[kindred sage]

can i report some kind of teaming in goblins??

[inner elbow]

Why are extractions limited

[peak crypt]

Sure. But first you need to figure out who they are in discord and then catch them premeditated teaming through a complex sting operation and then provide all of the evidence you found.

[kindred sage]

i have on videoproves and also talking with voip so its premeditated

[vernal depot]

Nah, it was a fully geared fighter with BIS everything and legendary weapons. Got one tapped with a x-bow

[marble tangle]

Ahh, ok lol. I was about to say, I only have one purple on. My Bardiche, that I didn't even use.

Juuust ran into a spawn-gear ranger (Aside from the Longbow), that I warned not to shoot me, right when you posted your comment.

[peak crypt]

Well, if everyone could escape, then that would add a lot of gold to the economy. That would cause inflation and then players would need to pursue alternative currencies. So, some people need to lose in order to keep the economy from suffering from hyperinflation which generally just makes trade more cumbersome and less reliable.

[ebon jolt]

just got the whole ruins game to kill 2 juiced players lol

[warm iris]

the game is literally unplayable in its current state the servers suck rubberbanding around the gear is still such a disparity itll never be fixed when you run into a juiced team there is no "outplay" i love the game and genuinely hope the devs get their shit together or someone builds another game like this that actually works....a lot of dev teams can look at Grounded and see how its supposed to be done

[dark sluice]

anyone know why streamers are holding onto royal sellables is it just to save room?

[past plume]

You know what would be sick, if the rollback happens again but this time it’s close before end of season so everyone can go wild

[warm iris]

i hope these devs never make another game in thier lives. please just shut it down lol

[marble tangle]

That escalated quickly.
"I love the game and genuinely hop the devs get their shit together-"
"I hope these devs never make another game in their lives"
🤣 Make up your mind there.

[dark sluice]

honestly right now the game is so fun, im playing barb and while it is still clearly op i feel like other class are still really good
ranger is nuts when they have good gear, fighter is decent again, wiz with good gear can do a shit ton of damage, cleric has always been op, bard while it has been nerfed still has really good songs and warlock is viable too

[twin spear]

give some constuctive criticsm if you think you know whats best otherwise dont play the game and let other people who enjoy it and realize that the game is steadily improving actually use this channel for good feedback

[ebon jolt]

die to a ranger?

[jovial grove]

my game is stuck on loading screen goong into goblin caves. i have a full set of gear on wth

[twin spear]

bro the servers are fine i literally only rubberband for 1 second 1 out of every ten games, im not saying the server issues dont exist im simply saying you are blowing them way out of proportion the game is more than playable server wise

[limber verge]

dude, thousands of people are playing. stop your whining. you just probably died and had t ocome in here to cry.

[icy oak]

Why are you here?

[marble tangle]

Alt F4, try to reconnect

[worn hound]

how much is gold bag worth

[twin spear]

Oh my god such good insight, bro do something other than play the game if you arent happy with it

[white sorrel]

I only rubberband sometimes and it usually isn't more than a second. I did have some internet troubles for over a month with my internet provider because they had problems going on on their end. U might wanna check with your internet provider to make sure it's not them. Heck even check on ur end, check ur router and modem and make sure they're working properly.

[jovial grove]

nope aint working

[winter sinew]

whats with the recent rubberbands?

[marble tangle]

I love the irony of this. This guy who's just complaining to random strangers on the internet, instead of going back to his life, or complaining to his friends.

[limber verge]

Normal people who are unhappy with the game just take a break for a while, they dont rage post on the discord or the reddit. the reddit is the most AWFUL thing I've ever seen.

[jovial grove]

i just want my stuff back

[gilded prairie]

Might be for you.

I play every day and the servers are tough for me. I rubberband 10-20 times a match.

[quaint garden]

Could anyone dm me the collector guild discord link please?

[jovial grove]

WELP. loading into the game lost my stuff. pretty cool

[twin spear]

to reiterate im not saying there arent server issues but some are for sure on the players end and im sure certain servers are worse in certain regions (im on US east and barely have issues)

[gilded prairie]

I'm also on NA East.

My biggest problem is that all of my teammates rubberband as well, often at the same times I do; which gives me the impression it's the servers lagging.

From my experience, the servers are in a pretty rough shape. Definitey getting better, but still rough.

I can attest to them being almost unplayable at times

[glad night]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/500828/a-definitive-matchmaking-system-or-at-the-very-least-the-concept-behind-ranked-a

Thoughts on Matchmaking?

[twin spear]

this is strange cause i rarely experience the issues that most people complain about im sorry its happening to you though

@glad night ranked is not something they should think about for quite some time and i dont get why so many people even want a ranked mode with an extraction game it just doesnt really add up

[remote flicker]

The worst I’ve gotten was getting kicked from a HR hell run recently, only minor rubber banding

[gilded prairie]

A lot of people cover this concept in detail; and the consensus seems to be that the playerbase just isn't large enough for matchmaking of that intricacy. Lobbies would be split up tremendously; and also kind of take away from the surprise of each run; never knowing what kind of players you'll encounter

[white sorrel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/500837/add-more-skills-to-bard-vicious-mockery

[turbid latch]

Idk bros the game has been feeling less and less enjoyable. I play it casually so I hope on maybe once or twice a week to run a few, feels like no matter what class, queue, or map I play its always dying to bs lag, or kitted out players.
Getting ready for the skill issue replies tho 💀 💀

[rose moss]

bring back under 15 matchmaking lobbies ONLY for accounts that are new and have no characters over 15 that way new players don't get creamed

[gilded prairie]

I think having more end game content / maps that high skill players can work towards; will inevitably ease the pain on newer players.

There's nothing to do other than get BIS, kill boss, and PvP. The more people have to do; the more the player base will deviate from the current style of pub stomping

We must be patient my brothers

[remote flicker]

Yeah Ngl the juicers are going crazy recently, cool to see the gear being used just not on me😂

[rapid lantern]

Ruins juicers are the most geared players I've ever seen

[upper lynx]

The circle is a huge contributor to how frustrating the game is. It just makes me wish there was a fantasy tarkov I could play instead.

[rose moss]

^

[frozen sundial]

When you can extract with all the gold ore and make 2k gold a run, no reason not to run juiced XD

@gritty flume fat pdr stacking fighter/cleric or barb/cleric

@robust anchor 7k gold or 7 gold ingots is going rate I think

[gritty flume]

Which ruins comp doesn't lose to double rogue?

[static echo]

double barb

[vestal silo]

anyone else getting rerolled after extracting in solos?

[robust anchor]

How much is a golden key worth?

[earnest ginkgo]

any duo who can use a mouse and keyboard?

[rose moss]

people can lose to rogue?

[remote flicker]

Never told a lie, I just try to avoid them at all costs. And for the message directly under it yeah the whole battle royal aspect kinda pisses me off sometimes but it incentivizes pvp at a certain point so I guess it could work

[upper lynx]

I mean, that what static extract points and high value loot locations do.

[manic walrus]

Ruins is the new loot hotspot
Only place to get gold ore too

[weak light]

is there a way to toggle crouch instead of holding?

[remote flicker]

Very true, but then extract campers will take over like they do in certain tarkov maps, or the high interaction speed characters bum rushing the high tier loot and running away immediately

@rose moss maybe we’ll just have to fantasize about it since I doubt they’ll do smth like that

@jovial gulch very true cause I’m one of them. My rogue is my money printer. And so far I haven’t gotten that one team camping blues yet, don’t doubt they exist however

[rose moss]

well if portals remain the same way etc, I think extract camping won't be easily done in this type of game with the TTK

[true thistle]

i think that other races on bard need facial hair

[white pollen]

Take that everyone agrees on : if you play rogue, you are a low skilled player

[lunar moth]

It feels so impossible to ever kill a warlock in a team setting, finally catch him just phantomizes and runs back to a teammate

[jovial gulch]

Loot rushing already happens 100%. Extracts can still be randomly placed but shown on the minimap instead so nearby players can find them to help the camping situation. And extract camping already happens as well, final circles have a room with 5+ portals and a team just sitting there camping.

[twin spear]

crazy how after 3 rogue nerfs in a row now that the class is balanced, people still think dying to a rogue means its OP

[rose moss]

rogue feels terrible but i dont know what it was like pre nerfs

[peak crypt]

ESPECIALLY skeleton

[upper lynx]

rogues suck until you are juiced and even then its rough.

[abstract wolf]

how much does will affect your magic-damage output? Is there a quick way to calculate?

[spare elbow]

extract campers work in tarkov because of the absurdly high match time. If match times are not stupid long then people wont extract camp that badly i think

[true thistle]

thats what im saying man, i need my skeleton with a pimped out 'stashe

[finite bane]

i hate my stash right now...and almost is because i have tons of little purses of gold...maybe another improvement there can be another purse that you can buy on the merchants that have 200 gold with 2 blocks? (and i said buy, yes, because if we have to craft it we know exactly what's going to happen with that items...)

[knotty kestrel]

I think thats exactly backwards, tarkov people exit camp because they have incentive to stand still and wait for loot and long match timers discourage this ebcause people have time to go elsewherwe

[obsidian notch]

anyone else getting mad rubber band rn

[rose moss]

Extract camping works in some places on tarkov solely because of TTK and lack of good alternatives for extracts, after 5k hours in that game the worst extracts were by far on interchange and reserve

as long as dark and darker gets a plethora of extracts, it should be fine because turning a corner wont result in you immediately dying in one headshot etc

[peak crypt]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#Magic_Power
It’s linear. 1pt = 1pct

[remote flicker]

Killing anybody with rogue feels like an uphill battle Ngl. It’s rewarding for sure though

@rose moss spit king, D2 is doggy dookie. And I don’t touch interchange

[twin spear]

will adds to magic power bonus so look at that stat it comes out to 1% per will i believe

[abstract wolf]

This is a bit confusing. Says will gives Magic Power, and Magic Power gives Magic Power Bonus, and that doesnt look linear on their website. Currently my magic power bonus is 60%. Wanting to figure out about how much damage I'd do w/ a Judgement or earthquake

[rose moss]

Yeah, the way I see it, static extracts in dark and darker won't really be able to be extract camped easily depending on how they're implemented, the circle would absolutely have to go though in order to avoid everyone going to the same extract

[peak crypt]

Multiply the base attack number by 1.6. Judgement is what, 20? So yours is 32.
Will to Magic Power is linear, Magic Power to Magic Power Bonus is not

[twin spear]

put simply magic power bonus is just a multiplier of that +percent base damage

[remote flicker]

All we can do is think about it. I doubt ironmace will implement it. But hey the circle isn’t too bad sometimes, except when I can’t loot the entirety of my spawn room

[spare elbow]

You have to check how your spells scale too. Some scale at 50% for example so youd get 30% more damage on those spells than a spell with 100% scaling for example

[safe locust]

if i lose my kit to rubberband or cheaters, the game is suddenly so much fun. Can u get better euw servers?

[abstract wolf]

How do you check that

[peak crypt]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Cleric#Spells-0

(Sanctuary, locusts, and earthquake have 50% scaling)

[ember egret]

Lost all loot after a run left in a blue portal in solos, came out with what i went in with this common again or one off???

[thorny siren]

remove bear traps

[zinc gulch]

Rogue is in a better than perfect spot rn I main it with decent gear you can pop off just have to choose your fights wisely

[spare elbow]

I havent seen it even once

[random night]

I want to like this game but getting rolled literally everytime by full purple gear people every map will and is killing this game

[rose moss]

Could you DM me a rundown on gear I should look for etc? i'm relatively new but want to main rogue since it seems fun

[zinc gulch]

As soon as you hear foot steps run or have your fastest member of your group go scout the team to see if they are caped up

[grim vessel]

Rogue is in an awful spot. Early game is much too brutal and geared is too strong. We need a saner power progression on gear.

[cedar spire]

Barb should be able to throw corpses at people

[peak crypt]

Yoji Shinkawa 🐐

[gleaming flame]

WOW LOVE LOSING MY ONLY PURPLE GEAR BECAUSE OF THIS LAG. wtf man

[safe locust]

same man, died to troll cuz of rubberband

[terse ridge]

considering price of gold ingot will soon(tomorrow) reach max of 1250 g,will the price of gold keys inflate even more?

[zinc gulch]

Take lockpicking go crypts rat a couple times get some gold and get +dmg geae

[grim vessel]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't play the game for real on rogue until you have enough +dmg to threeshot a barb. That's not good game, or class, design.

[abstract wolf]

Would it be better to hold on to my ingots or buy keys? They've been sitting in my stash for a week now

[zinc gulch]

You can kite barbs with rapier I run rapier short sword. If you aren't confident you that you will win the fight don't engage

[frozen sundial]

I like ingots since if godtier grimsmile shows up in crafter, you can grab it.

[plain marsh]

i think gold ingots are entering the economy at a faster rate than gold keys and it's not even close

[terse ridge]

well unless ppl will find another thing to serve as currency then i suspect the price of gold keys will rise accordingly to the inflation

[grim vessel]

That's beside the point

[storm trail]

Does anyone know whether or not my blank inventory spaces will be fixed?

[tawdry lily]

So I'm entirely new, I got the skeleton race from the purchase but idk how to actually use it lol

[opal breach]

ppl using gold ingots

[plain marsh]

rogue is not supposed to beat barb on equal gear. what an awful take

[loud tusk]

PLS BRING BACK LVL 14 QUE

[craggy nymph]

I have a bunch of all attribute + gear from a ton of runs but I am not very good at the game, do I bring it all in to a high roller and do my best or try to sell it all for more entries

[terse ridge]

kek i rebember seeing fully pruple geared rouge getting one tapped by a barbarian with green/blue gear

[twin spear]

as a rogue main i can confirm we only counter squishy classes

[zinc gulch]

Yeah I usually hide and sneak up on backline and kill to make it 2v3 then we kite the melees

[grim vessel]

You missed the point. Barb is just a general example used to indicate how stupidly strong rogues get at high gear vs how horribly weak they are at low gear.

[marble tangle]

It's per-character. Go to the "Customize" tab (up by your Class, Stash, and all that.)
There, you'll find all the customization stuff, like Races and Emotes. Again, you have to equip them per character.

[tawdry lily]

I had to right click to equip it -_- my future in this game is already bright lol. Thank you!

[karmic loom]

Barb gets just as stupidly strong at equally high gear, I don't understand

[plain marsh]

a barb will still freaking own a rogue. this is how the game was designed. a rogue will die to one hit from a barb. you arent taking down a 200hp 60% dr barb lol.

@karmic loom i really dont understand either. i dont think this guy knows too much about what he's talking about

@loud tusk funny i was able to run in a group and get geared up and win a lot of fights starting with nothing last night...

[loud tusk]

this game is assss now when u only can que against full stack full loot

[grim vessel]

I see you're determined to misunderstand what I'm saying

[scenic shore]

Woke up to some hot new game clips from Oceania, the Asians are forming 9+man groups in high roller maps, I play this game less and less as I grow so tired of playing with these people.

[zinc gulch]

Please elaborate because I'm also not sure what you're saying

[karmic loom]

Can you re-explain in another way then? Because there's multiple people who don't understand the point you're trying to make

[plain marsh]

no i dont. rogue does not get 'stupidly strong' with gear compared to other classes. every class gets stupidly strong with gear.

[marble tangle]

Good luck! Right now is a tough time to enter the game, just so you're aware. Lot of people have plenty of epic gear and gold, and they just removed the pre-15 lobbies. (Lobbies that were exclusive to characters under level 15.)

And as a forewarning, the community is pretty shitty lol. If you dare to complain that X, Y, or Z is unbalanced, you're likely to get met with "Skill issue!"
Because people don't understand that the early access game is very much not balanced, or finished. Expect bugs sometimes!

[heavy shoal]

i really hope they get some kind of ddos protection or something because i hate rubber banding back and forth entire games its painful

[loud tusk]

BRING BACK LOW LVL QUE FFS

[grim vessel]

I'm saying that if the class is basically forced to rat until it becomes so powerful that killing anyone at lower gear tiers than you becomes almost trivial, it's not good class design. Yes every class gets strong with gear. No duh. But rogue is by far the worst off at low tiers.

[static echo]

get good

[plain marsh]

@tawdry lily right now is actually a great time to enter the game. goblin caves is basically a pve mode. it's a great chance for you to learn the basics of this game (being able to clear pve effectively without taking damage). rarely do people in here tell you to just 'git gud'. that kind of comment only goes towards the chronic complainers that refuse to actually improve and only want to whine

[gleaming flame]

i’m mailing you a surprise

[tawdry lily]

It's fine tbh, most communities are like that these days lmao. Thank you for the heads up, imma just try to have some fun

[zinc gulch]

Yeah rogues start off weak but they scale incredibly hard

[karmic loom]

May I present to you: Wizard

[grim vessel]

That's what I'm saying.
@karmic loom you can kill most classes as base wizard unless there's a huge gear/skill diff, you will have trouble with barbs and rangers tho

[clear arrow]

All classes should be able to kill all classes on equal gear, that’s where positioning and skill come to play, how do you think Vietnam beat tf out of America

[tawdry lily]

Ohhhh okay, I'll give that a shot then too. Thank you as well!

[plain marsh]

wrong.

[zinc gulch]

Base kit wizard is also really slow and casting speed is abysmal

[karmic loom]

You can kill most classes as [insert base class], even with the weaker starters. Rogue is a bit rough at low/no gear, but really not that bad. Wizard has always been the worst, hands down.

[amber nest]

I still don't know why they added back +weapon/magic damage after explicitly leaving it out of what they were re-buffing
people need to pick their battles when complaining

[grim vessel]

And yet you can pull it off utilizing haste and invis for kiting

[marble tangle]

So you don't want skill to be the deciding factor, all other things equal?

[steady robin]

I agree with u tho, there’s like no middle ground with rogue. It’s rat until you can get a juiced wep damage kit then it’s absurdly strong

[plain marsh]

wizard is not really that bad now. especially with grey spellbooks being always available. a very good base kit wizard can easily take down much more geared opponents. rogue is going to struggle doing that

@marble tangle the game comes down to skill, gear, and comp. those 3 things are the deciding factors in a fight. miss me with the bad faith homie

[zinc gulch]

Yeah haste invis is pretty strong on wizard but it's their only form of escape. After they haste invis I keep chasing as rogue because the moment I turn my back they can cast spells on me

[grim vessel]

The classes were never meant to be balanced, there are going to be bad matchups and that is by design

[winter sinew]

yes man whoever designed hydras and let yourself heal off them by cursing deserves to be punished

[gleaming flame]

yeah man i can’t with this lag right now. i’m getting my ass whooped for no reason

[karmic loom]

Yeah now you can more easily, but it's still going to be a challenge. Wizards have always gotten the most complaints about a rough start. Rogue's are only getting it now due to the nerf, but they're getting those complaints 2x as much because people struggle to play it well

[marble tangle]

Bad matchup is dependant on the positioning, lol. A Barbarian trying to kill a Ranger who's on a jump spot, surrounded by traps in the darkness? The Barb is in a bad matchup.

[plain marsh]

base rogue is far worse. base wizard still has access to high damage spells like mm, fireball, and chain lightning, combo'd with intense focus. rogue starts out with 2 tickle sticks

[zinc gulch]

Ranger is a high skill cap class, my team ran into Apollo and cheezer, we literally couldn't push because cheezer was hitting bodies for 70

[grim vessel]

Starter daggers are such jokes that I would kill a ranger for his shit 19 dmg shortsword GLADLY

[past solstice]

so when are we gonna talk about how people with full purple kits are just rolling us default players

[topaz hornet]

whomp whomp

[zinc gulch]

That's what saying my gear is too good be used in normals but not good enough in high roller. Bring back pre 15

[karmic loom]

I feel mixed on that. Sure he's got the high damage spells, but once you get in his face, the wizard is finished. Something that happens all too often

[plain marsh]

they are both dead when you get in their face. they are both extremely squishy. the wizard, however, has a much better arsenal for kiting opponents: haste and invis. the rogue can just go invis, maybe take a few steps if they have that perk, and hope the person doesnt wait them out for the 20 seconds of invis they have

[past solstice]

honestly

[marble tangle]

I'd be happy with pre 15's back, or just no-trade characters. That was my favorite thing about pre-15's. Most people had garbage gear, or just what they'd found. You almost never saw these people stacked with nothing but +All and +Weapon damage. Trade makes loot next to meaningless.

[zinc gulch]

They have magic missiles as last resort. I once jumped on top of wizard at full hp he magic missiles me for my entire hp before I got 2 hits in

[karmic loom]

Is it that much better though? They're barely useful now since their nerf. With Rogue you can dance with your enemy at least and runaway to survive. If you don't setup or time properly on the Wizard, you might as well say bye bye

[steady robin]

No trade lobbies would be sick

[plain marsh]

wizard has 10000x more potential starting out than rogue. this is just a poor argument. moving on. if you disagree just go watch katie stream lol

[little linden]

Hello everyone, I'm new, is possible to play with wizard alone?

[karmic loom]

Kindof a disrespectful way to end a discussion, but ok. Calling the other person's point a "poor argument" and then "moving on" lol. Love games servers

[spare elbow]

Sorry but your point is bad. Basic kit rouges hit about as hard as a spider mummy and are almost as squishy as one too

[prisma chasm]

Is handcrossbow viable on fighter or ranger or is it generally not worth it

[zinc gulch]

Wizard in gc is a lil iffy

[plain marsh]

at some point you have to just say it lol. kid has no clue what he's talking about

[little linden]

I'm sorry, what is gc?

[weak light]

whats the deal with ppl teaming on goblin caves

[sterile wedge]

anyone know what the price of skull key is?

[zinc gulch]

Idk most people in gc just want to farm gold

[spare elbow]

Only really makes sense on bard imo. Even then its a follow up shot to big crossbow, using it on its own is most meh unless you have weapon dmg stacked

[cold reef]

Question: Where do you sell Rotten Fluids (the zombie drop)?

[karmic loom]

I'm trying to discuss here, not be right. The whole point of a discussion is to discuss both opposing and confirming views. If someone wants to just be the childish egotist and go "hurdurr youre wrong and dumb NEXT!" then so be it

I'm not talking about pure PvP viability, Pinky.

[crystal granite]

Does true magical damage affect victory strike?

[plain marsh]

unlike you, we actually know the answer, and are telling you it. i even provided specific reasons as to why. the answer to this 'debate' was established long long before you asked, and instead of listening to people who know better you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. at some point we get a little tired and just say whatever

[spare elbow]

I mean im not trying to white knight for this other guy but they just chose to move on from the topic because you didn’t give any of their points much consideration and just believed your own still, regardless of the evidence they provided.

Anyway, they moved on quite respectfully so no point getting flustered about it. Just move on.

[weary shell]

Is there a way to not have the elevator bug you in ruins map? Like 4 times in a row my body just went through the middle and it didnt take me up

[zinc gulch]

No true magical and true physical are added last they are not affected by modifiers or sour spots

[karmic loom]

Ok then don't talk to me if you're so tired of it all? Let me talk to someone else who wants to chat about whether a wizard or a rogue is stronger at base class. And it's not for the sake of arguing, but for the sake of, oh idk, talking about the game we all enjoy and play regularly? Might wanna take a break from here dude

[little linden]

As a new player and a solo one, all the equipment that i found in the dungeon, is better for me to stash it and use it later or use it on the next run? Playing as solo which class is better?

[spare elbow]

Bro he’s the one who said he wanted to move on and you kept hounding him bc you didnt like the way he moved on😂

[lofty ruin]

fighter is the most useless character in the game right now! perks are bad. too slow. no magic resistance ! no good skills!! fix fighter!

[plain marsh]

ever heard of dark plate armor? cleric with holy aura? lol.

[weak umbra]

fighter and no mr? you can easily build like 30%

[manic walrus]

That's wrong, new player experience is just as bad if not worse now because as time goes on and the amount of noobs keep decreasing, all that's left is experienced players that will crush you

[karmic loom]

@spare elbow Yeah, I gave a final response and moved on. Do the same

[crystal granite]

Ty

[spare elbow]

😂

[lofty ruin]

is bad dude even with that and rugged boots and reinforced gloves. a wizard with geared on three or 4 pieces of armor kill with you with 1 fireball and 1 zap. or 1 fireball 1 arrow. you supossed to tank hits. no being one tapped. barb can tank more even without so much armor

[marble swan]

Depends on your preference really, I like to stash items with stats that benefit me and sell blues and greens I found that didn’t benefit me

[karmic loom]

😂

[spare elbow]

[sudden aspen]

Uhhhhhh what type of build are you running

[plain marsh]

well i mean you arent entirely wrong about fighter not being in the best spot right now. it's far from being in the worst spot though and is still very viable

wizard is literally designed as a direct counter to fighter. a geared wizard is supposed to wipe the floor with you. that same wizard will get one shot by a ranger.

the real issue with fighter, is that it should be wiping the floor with that ranger. however, fighters are not performing really well in that regard. with all the armor pen out there right now, fighters kinda just get owned lol.

[lofty ruin]

fighter has the worst skills and useless perks in game! supposed to be the main newbie friendly character like every rpg its not!

[little linden]

Okok, thank you

[sudden aspen]

Fighters shouldn’t be getting mowed down by anyone that isn’t a magic user. If you’re running like 20% armor pen on a ranger it’s still like 3-4 headshots to kill.

[plain marsh]

skill issue. fighter is one of the easiest classes in the game to learn

@sudden aspen war maul goes brrrrr. crossbow goes brrr. penetrating shot goes brrr

[steady valve]

It has never been easier to gear as a rogue. Just go into HR, other rogues will try to be friendly. Then you stab them in the back and take their gear lmao

[zinc gulch]

bro is devious

[plain marsh]

you are the hero this game needs right now

[trim sentinel]

based psychopath

[spare elbow]

Joke right? He can use tons of equipment and has speed boost and heal skills which are the most important things to affect in the game

[steady valve]

I 1v3d a squad of geared rogues yesterday and I almost felt bad. I was picking them off 1 by 1 while they had a wraith and a champ on them. the last guy tried to invis the wraith on me but I just invis’d right after him and the wraith booped him out of stealth KEKW

[zinc gulch]

/s

[lofty ruin]

no joke. ranger healin is better. cleric healin is better. warlock healing is better. and bard healing is also good. compare others classes skills and perks you will se fighter only has like 2 or 3 usefull not even good

[undone island]

How do I avoid getting run over by players with crossbows and bows in goblin caves as a cleric. everytime I encounter one I die

[weak umbra]

how can you die from a bow with plate and heals

[spare elbow]

It is true that almost nobody uses anything but sprint and the heal, id like to see his other skills be more useful.

[twin spear]

your playing cleric you really shouldnt die

[karmic loom]

un-ecounter them
(jk, shields)

[plain marsh]

fight them in close quarters. holy strike is your friend. use protection and bless. running is always an option especially if the environment favors range more

@spare elbow dont bother he doesnt want to learn. he just wants to complain and blame the game for his own shortcomings

[lethal rover]

Gearscore system is the only way to fix the balance issue, assign every piece of gear a number based on its rarity (number of rolls) and give each player a total score, fully kitted players shouldn’t be playing with nakeds, “it’s a hardcore game” they should be playing with other kitted out players not running around 1 tapping people tryna break pots to get to level 5

[young dragon]

avoid players with bows and crossbows or use your shield

[little linden]

does killing other player give any advantages? or only loot?

[wooden coral]

Is there a glitc again with Rogue where you're visible while invisible?? I just had a Wizard lock onto me and magic missile while I was invisible.

[tough tartan]

dunno if you had an answer yet but if you step/jump on after it's landed you should be fine, if it the elevator comes through you on its way down then i think you have to jump still

[vapid oyster]

it's fun

[steady zodiac]

Should I put on my crazy gear set and kill noobs in hobo caves? Will that help the community?

[fresh bridge]

1k a piece obv

[safe heron]

just died in a high roller lobby to the server freezing and I got attacked by goblins that were nowhere near me...

[robust cradle]

Are keys actually going for 8k rn

[weak umbra]

yes

[west grove]

If you are patient enough

[robust cradle]

That’s insane, we are just playing Zimbabwe simulator

[sleek anchor]

Lol people were selling them for 7k this morning

[west grove]

It's funny seeing people still ask keys for certain gear pieces, even it's probably just despicable people that try to rip of noobs

[woeful pebble]

[gritty ridge]

how much strength is equal to 1 weapon dmg

[west grove]

Depends on your weapon

[abstract horizon]

can some one explain why ppl are buying gold bags for ... 7-11 ingots
when the bag only hold 500g and ingots that stack are worth 1k+ each?

[west grove]

Are they actually buying it or are those just random offers you came across? And who knows, some people have a lot of gold to burn

[nocturne walrus]

Do any of barb's skills or talents scale off magic dmg?

[hard sierra]

does earthquake and holy stike not friendly fire aoe to the caster?

[vapid oyster]

earthquake will for sure friendly fire, can't say for holy strike

[marble tangle]

You have to move, to take damage from earthquake. Since it's channeled, you cannot move without it breaking. If you're talking about friendly fire to the person casting it.

[waxen wharf]

SELLING badger pendand +1 will +2 magical healing +3 true magical damage for 900g warlock god rolls

[hard sierra]

ty @vapid oyster @marble tangle

[spare elbow]

I think holy strike can

[calm thorn]

Game sucks bad

[karmic loom]

iron will

[hazy cairn]

Whats the price of 10 candies in gold?

[zinc gulch]

is the playa not the game @vapid oyster iron will gives barb flat 60 mr

[vapid oyster]

iron will scales with magic dmg? are we sure on that?

[tardy sandal]

Iron will is magic resistance not magic damage

[gleaming jay]

anyone have the link to the trader cord

[cerulean needle]

its so fun getting 1 or 2 shot from geared rangers every game

[zinc gulch]

real and true

[exotic flicker]

so fun whining every time i die

[cerulean needle]

so fun trolling in a game chat because mommy didnt hug you enough.

[zinc gulch]

lets keep it civil

[vapid oyster]

lets not, rabble rabble

[steady zodiac]

I love 2 tapping low geared timmies @cerulean needle

[outer sparrow]

dawg what the fuck do i even have to do on this game. i spawn > i die to a centipede > i spawn i die to a centipide

[vapid oyster]

consider avoiding the centipide lmao

[formal moon]

Get good...obviously

[cerulean needle]

me too but i wasnt low geared i was full purple geared and still got 1 shot

[zinc gulch]

dont do centipide wtf

[weak umbra]

dont Die to a centipide

[outer sparrow]

what the fuck do you mean dont do centipide shit follows me everywhere. Why would i look for death

[vapid bramble]

Do centipedes still drop rings? I've only had blue misc items, like surg kits and hunting traps

[formal moon]

Unless you're a rogue or wiz. No ranger is 1 shooting you. Unless you got hit with a windlass to the eyeball.

[fervent badger]

How much are those large gold bags going for?

[lament dome]

anyone know what causes the inventory resets? 2nd time today i extracted and lost everything

[jagged badger]

My homie got headshot by a windless last night. We didn't even see the guy, and then my friend is suddenly dead on the floor. 1 hit 1 kill. It was like a scene from a WW2 movie.

[wide ember]

ranged combat is so great

[undone island]

how do you avoid getting hit by goblin bolo in full plate

[pallid notch]

Shield

[zinc gulch]

dont aggro it or just run past a door way and close the door