game-discussion

[vestal epoch]

Need to add a gear score to items and have a maximum gear score for non high rollers. constantly getting 1 shot as a fighter by people with all oranges and purples.

[empty gulch]

they REALLY need to cap additional damage to only +5 total you can get

[frail spire]

Yes this was an unfortunate side effect, I think they could make some changes to prevent this from being so common.

That said, the lobbies are still on average, less skilled and less experienced. Not just trade free.

[ancient isle]

why so barb and fighter can stat check everyone in the game sounds fun.

[empty gulch]

you ever fight a fighter with +14 additional dmg with a purple crossbow?

[frail spire]

I think they should disincentivize players dropping to sub 15 queue by perhaps making the loot drops worse in those queues, or perhaps just preventing non-new players from playing in that queue altogether.

[chilly flint]

thanks

[stray igloo]

ARE LV 15+ LOBBIES THAT SWEATY?

[coarse thicket]

normals are dead

[ancient isle]

nope but i dont see anyone crying about fighter when they can do this I only see people crying about ranger + I'd rather both ranger and fighter being able to do that damage rather than ranger doing no damage and fighter statchecking and face tanking everything

[thorn rune]

No not really idk what people are talking about

[karmic loom]

^

[fallen zinc]

what u guys talking about having 250 hp barb with 200 hp cleric and 200 hp bard behind him is not broken at all

[vestal epoch]

yes, they are

[winter goblet]

People play in those queues because they can't win/extract in the 15+ lobbies for whatever reason

[empty gulch]

it's a problem on ALL classes lol, rangers,warlock,fighter most people with ranged it is just not fair to fight agianst

[molten pier]

Barb really should get some speed buffs

[coarse thicket]

they are

[ancient isle]

no range = fighter/barb statchecks everyone

[thorn rune]

Im queueing into lvl 15+ lobbies under level 15 so im down perks and still winning. Nobody has great gear, nobody is even going to hell in my runs. I WISH i was getting into whatever lobbies you guys are

[frail spire]

Yes I know, the irony is that the people who cried about geared players ruining their lobbies, then go run away into the noobie queue and do exactly that. People just suck man.

[raw helm]

I think dropping the loot for lower level lobbies is actually a really good idea. Easier lobbies = worse loot

[karmic loom]

I didn't experience sweaty 15+ lobbies, so it means the game is fine.

Because my experience is the only one that matters 💅

(also devs should hire me)

[trim ravine]

Nothing worth splitting the playerbase over. Plus, splitting the queues happened because trading was "apparently OP" and favored hardocore players too much. No point in doing that since vendors constantly sell BiS gear for a tenth the price.

[vestal epoch]

I'm constantly getting one shot by teams with full purples and oranges. It takes all skill out of the game.

[thorn rune]

Just dont w key them!

[hard wren]

Get this man a dev role!

[frail spire]

No it didn't happen because trading is OP. It was NEVER about trading at all. It was about new player experience. It just so happened that a bunch of people that didnt like trading pretended it was all about trading because for them, they wanted to justify removing trading in general. People got confused about the purpose because so many ppl tried to take something for NEW PLAYERS and make it for THEM.

I also think it is not a major problem for the queues and playerbase to be split currently, so its a dead point.

In fact, limiting experience, gear acquisition, skill and perks of the lobby were the primary reasons for a level based system. NOT TRADING.

[winter goblet]

If they're running into teams, they're playing on a map with fewer extracts than players. At some point you either push the geared team for a portal, or stand around until the dark grows darker

[trim ravine]

I also think it is not a major problem for the queues and playerbase to be split currently, so its a dead point.
Yeah, if you're playing anywhere but EU and NA it isn't.

@vestal epoch DON'T DEBATE THIS GUY HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE SAYS, DON'T FEED HIM

[vestal epoch]

The solution is adding a gear score.

[thorn rune]

Oh boy cant wait for 15 min queues! Devs already said it isnt happening in the most recent qna

[plain marsh]

Never gonna happen

[frail spire]

Thats fair, can't comment on that. Most players just play on the more popular servers I thought.

[karmic loom]

Let's all discuss gear-based matchmaking in this chat for the 24th time today

[vestal epoch]

it wouldnt increase que times... what a dumb response

[vital root]

Just remove trade chat already

[hard wren]

I love this man

[plain marsh]

You mean the things the devs said 'go play a different game' about

[thorn rune]

It would. Most people are running shit gear and Id be waiting forever

Doesnt matter tho, devs said it isnt happening

[dense nexus]

love being teamed in gc

[vestal epoch]

you obvioulsy dont understand lmao

[trim ravine]

It was about new player experience.
Tell me then, what is the point of this "new player experience" if you can just smurf your way into <15 lobbies. (Because trading is too OP (even if that isn't the point, even though 80% of players complain about being gearstomped and not skillstomped))

[plain marsh]

Honestly im not here to doubt your struggles but how are you consistently finding more than one player in goblin caves lol

[thorn rune]

Lol for real, I run around and half the lobby is dead before I find anybody to eachother or mobs...

[ancient isle]

you obviously are greylocked 😭

[dusty kestrel]

Nobody complains about being skillstomped because that's them admitting they are bad and have no actual point to their complaint

[dense nexus]

just had a full caped purple rogue team with a naked warlock within 1 minute. name was VinnySneaks. Absolutely not fair in the slightest.

[ashen matrix]

what does physical healing actually do, it doesnt increase healing from potions bandages or resting so i can't think of what else

[frail spire]

As I said, they should make some changes to address smurfing to further enhance new player experience. Also will be less of a split playerbase if people can't smurf their way into the queue.

But pretending it is pointless and not helping new player experience in current iteration is shortsighted. The difference is still clear if you play it despite a few smurfs in overall skill of the lobby.

One problem with the queue does not make the whole thing completely ineffective. Its not black or white. Its shades of grey.

[thorn rune]

I thought thats exactly what it did, if not I have no idea

[dusty kestrel]

Oh I thought it affected bandages

[vital root]

If people want fair, go play league...you aren't going to get fair in a gear based game

[vestal epoch]

the response of an idiot

[plain marsh]

Good luck running from that . Generally doesn't happen often to me though. Most times I either win one fight and extract or lose one fight cuz I'm bad

[ancient isle]

the response of a greylocked

[trim ravine]

Yeah, and the particular shade of grey is a bit too black to me.

[dense nexus]

Super fun losing a 1k kit

[limber badge]

Back to the caves to grind!

[ashen matrix]

I tested it last game no change

[karmic cloud]

How is Wizard doing ? Good for solo runs ?

[formal moon]

They should just delete none trio maps. Was a bad addition just to get more players that don't want the game the devs were making

[plain marsh]

Finally a sane take. Just like how gear right now is a little strong but it's objectively better than last patch due to several reasons

[frail spire]

Well, its really not, if you play the new player queue its much better, and new players often reported how much better the game got for them when it was added.

You seem to not really have any arguments, just making a blind statement now.

[unborn dune]

Is there a resource to learn how to play the game better, what gear to look out for, when you should pvp when you shouldn’t etc? I am newer to this genre but find it super fun.

[flat mountain]

gear based matchmaking doesn't fix the issue.

the issue is the circle. it's a battle royale mechanic that is completely arbitrary and irrelevant to a loot extractor like this. the whole premise of a loot extractor is that geared players will gravitate towards and fight over the high priority locations, while newer or ungeared players play amongst themselves in the low priority locations.

the circle forces ungeared players to fight the geared players if they want to extract. which obviously only goes one way, they are just fodder. the circle turns what would be a complex ecosystem of risk and reward into an absolute meat grinder where all the players are shoved together and the best geared team slaughters everyone else.

removing circle is the only way this game has a future, fundamentally flawed mechanic that undermines literally every other aspect of the game

[trim ravine]

There's not really anything the objectively debate about, just anecdotes. Thus, I have no more arguments, neither do you.

[dusty kestrel]

As a fairly new player, the split has been great for learning, I don't get crushed and have a lot more even fights in <15, and as I have a couple characters hitting 15 I notice a big difference.

[fair marlin]

"its gonna be like fortnite" homie is it fortnite, we have the storm....

[split grail]

Make 1-5 lobby’s every1 else rolls with the big boys you earn half exp 1-5 if it’s your only char

[plain marsh]

Someone help this man's quick. What class do you play? Why are you bickering over bs when a new player is asking for help

[unborn dune]

Oh sorry I should have mentioned that I enjoy playing the Cleric currently. Favorite class in DnD so figured I’d play it here too.

[opal breach]

play the game as if you die in real life when you die in game

[frail spire]

Yea, I am done with this discussion. Every point you made was flat out wrong. Except that queue times in low pop servers are bad, which I cannot comment on.

I think I was pretty fair with my assessment of the situation , and I think the chat can see that. Have a good day, try not to spend too much of it malding here.

[thorn rune]

Generally + stats are great rolls on gear. Even green gear can be very good. If you are playing a melee class then look for + strength, + agility, + all + wep dmg + phys dmg. If you are wizard or warlock look for + will + knowledge + magic dmg

[dusty kestrel]

In my opinion, I learned fastest and the most from watching a streamer play the class I was playing.

[karmic loom]

I was just throwing out a joke about the gear, but your point about the circle is an interesting take

[trim ravine]

Yea, I am also done with this discussion. Every point you made was flat out wrong.

I think I was pretty fair with my assessment of the situation , and I think the chat can see that. Have a good day, try not to spend too much of it malding here.

[plain marsh]

I figured it was that obvious but maybe you were trying something else. Where are you struggling? One tip I know you don't know: backing straight up is slower than strafing or moving forward. To better dodge enemy attacks, turn 90 degrees and strafe away

[limber badge]

You can hover over attributes in the class screen to see what benefits they provide, which is a good indicator to go for based on your class

[frail spire]

yikes.

[royal marsh]

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[queen helm]

where do the keys go to? i keep getting conflicting info.

[plain marsh]

@unborn dune as far as gear goes, will and knowledge are really helpful for a support cleric. I'm not too exp in battle cleric but in both cases +all attributes is your friend.

[unborn dune]

I think mostly I’m struggling with what gear to pick up, and what I’m supposed to be doing mostly in a PvP fight when it inevitably usually happens lol. I don’t usually kill anyone. But it’s fine I figured dying a lot comes with playing the game.

[karmic loom]

thanks for joining us

[dusty kestrel]

If you selected cleric role for this discord, you should also have access to the cleric's class discussion channel, you can ask in there if someone will party with you and answer your questions, do a couple runs with you, etc.

[trim ravine]

Don't grab gear. It won't sell. Grab treasure.

[royal marsh]

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[plain marsh]

Can't help yourself can you

[ancient isle]

just heal your frontline or zone people off your backline if someone rushes you either shield to stay alive or 1v1 them run holy strike if you can its op

[trim ravine]

It was too good an opportunity man, what can I say. Gonna teach them to hate the socialist devs young brodie

[manic folio]

If u want to learn how to play, play solo, avoid lfg channels because people are literally demented in there and have so much anxiety of the thought of playing with someone new.

[plain marsh]

It is truly awful. There's only a few of us that aren't solely here to whine

[karmic loom]

everyone wasnt just complaining

DaD server without any complaints??? impossible. i refuse to believe this alternate reality ever existed

[frail spire]

Yikes.

[flat mountain]

lol ik, i just wish people would discuss it more so i've been copy pasting it around. people seriously need to consider it as a concept, it would fix the game almost by itself

[unborn dune]

I mean I did try looking up guides and such but none of them are super helpful in the sense of what to do or get inside the run.

[trim ravine]

snooooooooort hmm yesh, that'sh a yikesh moment for me!! 🤓

[frail spire]

Yikes.

[ancient isle]

they would actually have to redo the entire map and game design for this just making medieval tarkov at that point tho

[plain marsh]

Then you try and make some counterpoint to convince them that they can improve and not deal with the issue they are dealing with. And they throw personal attacks at you, mods do nothing about it. And you say something back and you get muted. . The complainer environment here is actively being fostered lol

[thorn rune]

Im sure people would discuss it (more seriously) if it was a possability. Devs have said its not happening so its a pointless convo

[plain marsh]

I mean if enough people wanted it the devs would add it, but those people asking for it are a vocal minority

[toxic solstice]

man, 5th time starting over this wipe, keep getting ganged on whenever i got a decent kit

[trim ravine]

I'm gonna copy paste h's one good take his whole life.

A) The entire point of gear is to be rewarded with an advantage when you do wear it, at the risk of your gear.
If you are just going to play against similarly geared players, gear becomes meaningless. Might as well just remove gear entirely then.

B) Gear based matchmaking would lead to insane queue times, imagine the queues if you want to wear very good gear, waiting for a whole lobby of juicers to join up. This would also affect queue times for all players, not just geared ones.

C) Low geared players would no longer have the chance to kill a juicer, and the reward of getting that loot. It removes the best highs the game has to offer, and flattens it into a boring PVE grind for gear. You can't gear up from PvP, because everyone has same gear as you.

D) The gear in this game is not easy to matchmake with. A green with all attributes is often better than a legendary with bad stats. The matchmaking would be inaccurate.

[flat mountain]

there would have to be some slight adjustments to deal with it but this game is literally a tarkov, but with a circle that turns it into a battle royale meat grinder for ungeared players instead of an actual loot extractor. if tarkov had a circle the game would not have succeeded in any sense

[plain marsh]

What are ya playing? What game mode too

[thorn rune]

Oh i know i copied it too earlier bc its a great take i agree with

[limber badge]

Buff ranger

[toxic solstice]

warlock, was playing goblin caves a lot since im solo, but didn't like that was just steam rolling people starting out, moved up to high roller and first game with my kit I get teamed on by a rogue and barb that are juiced.

[tidal plover]

Stack gold fuck a kit

[flat mountain]

devs outright said they wouldn't redesign circle mechanics?

[plain marsh]

Yeah stick to normals until you're juiced or go in naked and make friends

[thorn rune]

I was talking about gear score, my mistake if I replied to the wrong comment! I think your circle comment was really interesting as well and I agree with alot of what you mentioned in there

[dusty kestrel]

Most of it comes from experience tbh, and with patches in early access, what equipment is good for your class will change. Spellbooks are always good on cleric, I like the new rugged boots, heater shield is the best shield, and judgement or smite are good for soloing. But clerics are best in parties for their buffs and heals. There are a lot of ways to play most characters, cleric including though.

[karmic loom]

It's easier for people to treat this and real life like it's Twitter, where everyone boil things down to their simplest form and responds with zingers. Instead of actually discussing things

Btw, are you a tarkov player?

[frail spire]

yikes. O wait!

I have a few other good takes too but Ill save em

[unborn dune]

So just pretty much pick up what you find and put it on and would you pick anything else up to put in stash or sell? Or was that person serious about just picking up treasure only and selling it?

[ancient isle]

that is less of a problem with the circle and more of a problem with geared players who play normals dont feel the incentive to play against geared players in high roller is enough for them. By removing the circle you fundamentally change the game people want to play. I guarantee you if this game had the same learning curve and difficulty as tarkov all of the people who are already crying would definitely not play game. + tarkov is very different in how gears works, any gun can pretty much kill unless its a makarov, someone with a mp5 and ap rounds has a decent chance against full kit m4a1. Im pretty sure the simplest fix to gear in normals which is not as common as people say is just free hr and add need atleast 3 greens on or some shit to stop naked rogues

[flat mountain]

i played a ton of tarkov a few years ago, hbu?

[placid bone]

Can anyone tell me what the old rusty key is used for now?

[plain marsh]

Knowledge increases spell capacity and casting speed. Will increases how much magical healing/damage you do. Strength gives you hp and weapon damage. Resourcefulness gives you interaction speed.

Save/wear any +all attributes stuff you get because it's a really good stat

[dusty kestrel]

Treasure and selling is better value if your inventory is full by the time you get out, and because you can buy stuff that you want specifically for your character from the shops. But if you aren't filling your inventory it doesn't matter what you pick up, just pick it all up. You'll figure out what's valuable as you sell stuff and look at prices.

[unborn dune]

Thank you, you’ve been really helpful.

[karmic loom]

I've never played it, but I've watched probably ~100hrs at this point through friends and twitch streams. I ask because I'm curious about your thoughts with tarkov and the circle in DaD.

Since you're pretty experienced in it, and tarkov has no "circle" with a different extract system, what would you say is the common "endgame" for players in tarkov? Rarer gear? Bosses? (lol) Just more PvPing? Because when I think of removing the circle in DaD, I think of the changes it would bring to PvP and incentives to PvP/get more gear/etc. It also makes me consider the changes it would bring to match length times

What even is the endgame of DaD anymore? wait for more content? HR bosses and PvP? 😔

[royal marsh]

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[prime heath]

Please slow down the circle enclosing it is too fast

[fallen zinc]

after 10.000hours in tarkov there is no real "endgame" u snowball into oblivion with gear and starts doing meme setups or run with low kit to kill high geared ppl with the most stupid shit there is. problem is in this game the gear scales to much so u cant kill ppl rly with shit gear if they are rly rly geared.

[spare elbow]

It really isnt except HR feels a bit fast

[digital magnet]

Git gud

[abstract vault]

please for the love of god finally take away the ability of fighters to use range weapons with no punishment

[ancient isle]

real, they just are ranger with 60% pdr and can melee

[formal moon]

seperating lobbies is just a bad idea. half of you really just need to get good

[keen dragon]

Anyone have collectors guild disc?

[royal marsh]

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[digital magnet]

You still can but not outright it requires a third party or you jump one and kill one of three before the fight really starts. Defo a LOT LOT harder and not always manageable

[abstract vault]

yeah they can use range without any punishment and still be tanky. they should have to talent to use a crossbow and should reload slower as they are not proficient with the weapon as a ranger

[dusty kestrel]

They already aren't proficient, hence why ranger has perks for bows and figher has a perk that lets him use a bow at a penalty.

[ancient isle]

-10% is nothing bud when i build wep damage on my fighter have higher base strength and still hit for 100+ on longbow hs

[abstract vault]

doesnt matter when they all use crossbow without being punished at all hitting harder than a ranger with bis gear

[dusty kestrel]

So you're asking for a nerf to his perk then? To 25% or something?

[royal marsh]

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[sudden mesa]

IM ever say why they removed the mugs on the lobby table?

[unborn shore]

Sometimes i like to slather myself in ky jelly, get in a sleeping bag. Then squirm around like im a slug

[night furnace]

if hes talking about fighter theres a perk for fighter where you can use other classes weapons but it makes them do 10% less dmg

[flat mountain]

right, firstly i think the main issue with tarkov is how hyper realistic it is, it's a real rabbithole of information and complexity and i think that ultimately makes it extremely non-casual friendly. plus first person shooters with 1-2 shot kill tend to have very one dimensional fights and that can get old very quickly

but in terms of the fundamental design, tarkov does it perfect imo. ultimately these games come down to the combat, we get money and gear up so we can win more fights. everything else in an extraction looter is going to be secondary to the core combat mechanics. tarkov focused so heavily on the feel and play of the shooting mechanics, and rightfully so. DaD also has excellent core combat mechanics which is why many of us fell in love with it in the first place

they really just can't treat the game like a 12 minute battle royale bloodbath and a long-term loot extraction game at the same time, they are fundamentally contradictory. imagine if they removed circle, procedurally generated the dungeon layout, and gave players way more time to explore, loot, and hide/run from more geared players. it would solve every issue the game is currently facing

[royal marsh]

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[spare elbow]

(Context)

[flat mountain]

i'm not saying make the game like tarkov, i'm saying look at the things tarkov did right, and learn from them

[static cipher]

imagine being retired and STILL the best PLA YER

[supple mica]

What is the counter play to fully stacked warlocks when you cant oneshot them

[white helm]

If gear brackets are too controversial or the devs dont want to do it. What do you guys think about the idea of them reworking HR so that the gold fee is waved if you bring gear in equal or greater then the value of the anty. That would hopefully give players a reason to go into highroller since it would be cost effective

[severe root]

Burst damage kills warlocks

[abstract vault]

gear just needs to be harder to get, "early wipe" this reset was literally 12 hours and people already were bis gear because the traders just hand out gear that is too op

[static cipher]

bee a rat might give you the extra hit u need to killlll but anyway he will pahntomize and you are basically fucked if you cant one kill you are done the ONLY way is to be faster than him so stack MASS MOOVEMENT SPEED!

[severe root]

@white helm that’s a good idea

[unborn shore]

I like this tbh

[weak umbra]

delete circle, make 1 raid 20-30 mins, add animations to everything like equipping/unequipping gear, eating mid raid, unrecoverable health, sanity of some kind and this game will be hardcore finally

[spare elbow]

Better idea would be instead of paying 100 gold, you cant ready up for HR without two full 50 gold pouches in your -stash-(inventory). This guarantees more reward value for players who can get to the extract, and kill and loot other players. Also you get refunded essentially for escaping as you have yoir gold bags still

(IMO)

[white helm]

I like that idea as well, I think either implementation works, yours would likely be easier to implement

[unborn shore]

Im at work , and just wanna be home so i can play .

I've been running around as a Rouge and giving nice players loot for their respective classes if i found some during raid , and it essentially turns into a barter fest which is nice when you don't get immediately betrayed lol

[crystal charm]

[karmic loom]

approx how long are rounds in tarkov?

[granite lion]

If there's anything this game can take away from tarkov its the insurance system and stuffing items up your ass

[spare elbow]

I tried to solo bard on crypts and unlock chests for people. But almost every time a chadded team would break down a door on us and obliterate us while im surrender emoting with my weapons put away — and that was If i could find a team who would let me unlock chests for them

[flat mountain]

i think the timer to extract was 45 minutes. but there were different maps and the smaller ones gave less time

[subtle heart]

Teams never show mercy to solo players. Not sure what it is about them, maybe bad and desperate for kills not sure

[supple mica]

i mean meta right now is running people down in normals, alot of teams dont even loot.

[devout stag]

i’m sorry but it’s a pvp game and if someone kills you how can you be surprised?

[subtle heart]

Meta for desperate bads

[unborn shore]

Some people only get joy out of pvp all the time, i like to rp a lil bit and just have fun sometimes. I've teamed with random people only for them to get kill in front of me and i swear gamers turn into voice actors when dying in games

[karmic loom]

Multiple maps and with different extract timers?
Okay, I'm convinced. Let's remove the circle in DaD and add 2 different adventure modes with a short and long length

[snow dawn]

pacifist mode

[winter flicker]

3 GC normal runs, 3 times spawn rushed by a barb in full +2 kit.

Why even target people with nothing, to kill our good time? you win, i quit this game

[vapid oyster]

mission accomplished

[flat mountain]

sure man a short timer, small map, pvp oriented mode, and a long timer, large map, pve oriented mode. would be a great dynamic i think

[blazing basin]

coming back after a few weeks and this is easily the worst the game has ever been holy crap

[winter flicker]

played every single test so far, this one is fun, but its just so boring at this point.

[white valve]

is there no way to report someone for as an example being racist in trade chat?

[snow dawn]

its the devs fault for pushing the people who only play the game for pvp away from high roller, then they tried to adress this by adding +15 and -15 lobbies but players dont go from gray/green gear at level 14 to BIS max stat roll gear with meta comp at level 15. This attempt to fix the issue they caused is pathetic and ruins the game for everyone that isnt sweaty

[arctic cove]

Lmao I got rushed by a barb with the name 'WorstBalance' I didnt even get mad hes right

[karmic loom]

Hahaha that's hilarious

[last iris]

And here I only even see another player in gc like every other game.

[flat mountain]

it comes down to the circle man, the players without gear have no way to play that realistically prevents them from being forced to fight the juicers. circle forces everyone on the map into each other and the best gear obviously grinds everyone else up into a meaty pulp.

circle needs to go

[snow dawn]

Tbh I dont even know if the devs are even trying to balance the game, it seems like they are just trying to get as much data from each patch as possble. That would explain the patches that change the game compleatly within 2 days

[winter flicker]

Agreed, its pretty bad right now. I am going to hit up my bank and get a charge back though them. No refunds, kek, okay guy

[vivid pendant]

i think they enjoy gamer tears

[urban burrow]

its sad that HR is more safe to play in than norms. HR is 90 percent of the time just nakeds while norms is 90 percent of the time 2 or 3 teams fully geared its wild

[snow dawn]

How about actually addressing the issue? They dont need to change the entire genera of the game in attempt to fix a issue that they them selves caused.

[winter flicker]

the last dev chat was really telling. They dont want balance, they want to cash grab like EFT and move on.

They dont even play HR, and I doubt they play DaD with the public. Feels like they do some internal testing and call it good.

The messing up of the game but calling it "data collecting" is cope

[empty sun]

#discord-help

[white valve]

"Before creating a ticket, please read the following:
THIS IS FOR DISCORD RELATED SUPPORT ONLY"

[winter flicker]

in Oregon, they fill fast and they are kitted.

The drops arent even good, they are just farming a hundred or so gold and clearing house.

power fantasy can be fun for some, but its super boring.

[flat mountain]

the issue IS the circle. they took all the mechanics of extraction looters like tarkov, but then tacked a battle royale mechanic on top of it. it doesn't work together, they circle is what makes gear disparity and awful new player experience the issues that they are

[viral solar]

i am done, this patch is the worst and ruined the game....

[empty sun]

Trust me it's fine

[last iris]

East coast it’s super easy to get out

[snow dawn]

to me it seems like they think this EA is just their test ground and that when they officialy release the game there will be a influx of new players, but I doubt that since why would people want to buy a game that is bleeding players

[restive frost]

this patch added alot of super cool idea like crafting and more in trader but alot of it isnt great but also in alpha but like goblin caves rn is bad

[winter flicker]

If they did the same thing that EFT did: IF you take gear in raid YOU CANT SELL IT ON THE MARKET. If you FIND gear in raid you can sell it on the market, but if you take that found and recovered gear into raid it becomes unsellable on the player market. Really helped with gear fear and other bs

[last iris]

Where you getting stats on player counts?

[hasty sorrel]

lv20 on a char should unlock shared stash 🙂

[snow dawn]

you can check in game, its 15k active rn

[spare elbow]

“Player list” bottom right of screen in main lobby screen

[agile elm]

14k chinese cheater rmters?

[winter flicker]

I work at the largest intel campus in the world. I have actively telling everyone there to avoid this game lol
doubt things will get better by the time this game, if it ever does, go full launch will be active.

The peak of this game was test 2, and its been down hill since.

[snow dawn]

13k barbarians runnning around and 2k humans with real brains

[simple badge]

why there is no random teams matchmaking so i can join a team without begging as a new player

[urban burrow]

nah test 3 was fire

[last iris]

What was the count during peak ?

[empty sun]

Because many would team kill you for fun as soon as the game starts

[vapid oyster]

or for your gear

[snow dawn]

I think ironmace are just using this EA period to get data and balance the game and they are banking on the hope that when they get back on steam and fully release the game it will have a large influx of players enough to sustain the dev team.

[winter flicker]

that was good too. But 2 was just so bare bones and with out the item qualities that we have now. It was more like CS or UT/Quake. We all had the same level of gear just trying to kill each other and have fun.

Now its back to a WoW grind stat check

[simple badge]

there is already a player rating system, u can block and rate them down find a new team

[urban burrow]

they only had a large influx of players on steam because it was free. when the game had 100k players concurrently it was due to the game being free there will be a surge of new players on steams release but not that much compared to what we have now

[charred oasis]

so, will warlock keep being this or will they nerf?

[idle wren]

extracted with full inventory and when i get out its empty lmao

[snow dawn]

I think so too but I guess they dont since they are using this early access period to test their crazy patches and gain data out of it but this is causing more and more players to quit the game which would lead to the game dying

[winter flicker]

the issue that I see is, and i have seen this before, is that most people who are playing now are going to be exhausted with it by the time the "full game" comes out. Steam wont save it, it will be too little too late by then.

The law suit really messed them up. And by letting us play this much, at this level, like i said - when it does comes out, we will have already had our fill. And rumors/gossip in gaming is real, this game is getting a really bad rep

doubt too many new ppl will get into it to keep it as active as it is now.

Like it or not, I think this EA time will be its peak.

[graceful imp]

cave goblin is full of teamers

[urban burrow]

the issue what the game currently and the only reason people are quitting is due to the gear desparity right now. people going around with +40 in all stats its dumb idk why they reverted it back

[empty sun]

And they could downvote you too after killing you, never ending cycle

[surreal rapids]

Games slowly turning into Rogue and Roguer again, out of all things lobbies flooded with them is the most frustrating thing in the world. Especially when you main casters/rangers as all they need to do is invis. If you don't see or hear them, anyone who can click a button can kill you. I hate it.

[simple badge]

how can new players play the game solo then man xd its not possible to fight against 2-3 players, need a team but i dont want to beg for a team cuz im new

[static cipher]

you can see and you can hear

[surreal rapids]

I'll spare the argument here and just leave after I say this because people like you won't budge - you're absolutely wrong. You're stupid. It's a major problem. GL

[empty sun]

By using VoIP and crouch spam like they do to convey none danger haha

[snow dawn]

This is a issue they created by making hr not worth it. Then they tried to "fix" this issue they created because of their patch by making + 15 and - 15 qeue. But this doesnt fix anything at all since after reaching level 15 the game becomes unplayable for someone without gear

[agile elm]

if u could get coloured loot without lockpicks, u wouldnt have a billion rogues every match

[restive frost]

exactly u pretty much have to make new characters to try and have fun

[empty sun]

You can also use the lfg channels, atleast there if people team kill we remove them from the discord

[static cipher]

how many dev in the team

[empty sun]

Actually not a question I've asked I'll be honest

[urban burrow]

nah they just need to fix gear desparity, you should have a fighting chance against purples if ur a better player. not oh i have +30 all in every stat you lose no matter what. players are just dying cuz one purple team clears out a entire lobby

[snow dawn]

exactly, but there is only so much fun you can have doing that. Players who didnt get the chance to get gear early in the wipe wont ever get that chance again and will end up only playing low roller and allways having no gear since as soon as they get good gear they will end up loosing it to a barbarian that is buffed

[winter flicker]

it seems like they want too badly to have the top % stick around and not pushed away. While activly killing the player base below them. The top % are going to move on any way, since they are high on the power curv and will get bored fast. The bottom end of the player base has been leaving too, so what are we left with? People who die in the first few mins of GC to goblins and the people who just want to spawn rush base kit ppl and feel good about their power play move.

everything we say is just conjecture

[agile elm]

non-miniboss mobs drop nothing, non-special chests drop nothing. Jars are empty half the time. Just rush big chests and ignore everything else. Boring.

now u cant even buy 10g weapons so u need to keep suiciding with starter gear

[orchid void]

People teaming on ruins now.. how lame. Literally just went against a 4-man

[snow dawn]

I think they should change how the stats work for each class. It is stupid imo that a tanky meele heavy dmg class like barbarian is just as fast as a rogue. This doesnt make any sense thematically and with the movment speed cap makes it so the tankies classes are just as fast as the squishies classes which means that barbarians are allways gonna be a stronger meele class than rogue or another squishy class

[static cipher]

you are so right

[vapid oyster]

ya it sucks, my bro and I killed a group of 4 one night lol

[winter flicker]

I, and many others REALLY do want an option to just que up with our friends and clear the entire first level, go to hell, clear it and down the boss and move on (PVE/Story MODE). WIthout it being a buff ball spawn rush you died in 30 secs game, every game. Some of the players are there to play the game, others are there to stop players from playing the game (and they are winning)

Arena PVP mode should be separate and with the big HR rewards and so on.

[urban burrow]

yeah ut thats the issue with the gear. Day 1 of wipe gear was actually balanced but people complained about gear being boring to get since you couldnt get god rolls. they listened and just reverted back to old gear rolls and now we are getting one shotted

[valid socket]

Hey it's october are we deleting ranger yet

[orchid void]

This was a Fighter/Cleric and 2 Rangers, just ruins the fun tbh

[snow dawn]

Idk how ironmace decides what to balance in the game, but it seems missguided to me. There are issues with balance that will never be adressed if they only listen to the playerbace that plays barbarian.

[silent mica]

is troll blood phys or mag healing?

[orchid void]

we lost both our kits, and they were geared as well in sub15

[valid socket]

physical

[winter flicker]

Streamer influence people and have a lot of viwers. This is sadly taken into account when they make theses decisions, we have seen it in EFT and other games like this and we are seeing it here too. And the steamers mock us, as they kill the game. Their complaints are projections of guilt and they know it

This is the same reason why game companies will pay a lot of money to have theses people do paid streams. it effects sales and how ppl view the game.

They just dont want to admit that they are part of the issue vs " i am the community". They down play, hand wave and its exhausting.

[snow dawn]

I agree removing + weapon dammage and magical damage rolls from gear will hugley improve the over all feel of the game since people are surving more and people cant 1 shot anymore but then barbarians are gonna become way too op since no meele calss can even compeat with a buffed barbarian that has a built in speed shrine. Personally I think they need to rethink how movment speed scales on each class since it is stupid that tanky meele classes are as fast as squishy meele classes

[fallen coral]

Maybe we should implement a gear rating system and matchmaking can be influenced by that

[agile elm]

naked rogues gonna take purple pants with +1 magic healing to manipulate mm

[fallen coral]

It would be cumulative, so having one purp wouldn’t put you in fully purped lobbies

[void roost]

wow youre the first person to ever suggest this amazing game fixed

[snow dawn]

Thing is all the top streamers are play like 4 different classes and they all fall into the same general buff ball comp so when ironmace only listens to their "feedback". Only the classes that stand a chance agains their buff ball comp is gonna be nerfed

[hard pine]

To the clueless devs that cant foresee the consequence of giving warlock endless self heals and endless spells, I am willing to switch careers.

[graceful imp]

first time i get some good stuff, i try hr, people team up against me, i die 1v4, funny !!

[wanton otter]

HAHHAHAAHA

[fallen coral]

Dang, is this the game discussion channel or the grief channel

[void roost]

its a bad suggestion and you should feel bad, if you cant see the obvious outcome of such a system then im not sure i can help you

[frozen lagoon]

so what is the strategy against warlocks as a fighter and ranged duo, because it always seems that the warlock is able to output massive damage while not sacrificing any movement

[empty sigil]

If you want gear mmr I honestly just think this genre of game isn't right for you. We can talk about balancing between top end gear and the bottom, but gear MMR? It confuses me why you even play the game.

[quiet cedar]

warlock still to OP. need a cooldown on hydra or something. being rogue and they just sit there spam it in doorways. everyone playing warlock have to see how unfair it is.

[snow dawn]

Just making HR worth it again will push more of the ultra geared buff ball teams into HR and fix the differance in gear disparity in LR

[fallen coral]

Can u say any thing productive or useful or are you only full of hate and farts

[cold reef]

Ranger and wizard are the counter imho

[ripe vessel]

Is gear disparity bad for the longevity of the game?

[pallid tree]

servers are ass at the moment

[lean ridge]

This is an interesting problem. On the one hand, if slower melee classes have no speed ups, then they will get kited forever by faster ones. On the other hand, though, squishy classes are completely helpless if they can't rely on evasion and have to trade hits.

I guess hypothetically the answer is a stamina bar, or lean into the speed disparity while adding feints into the game. I don't think people want either one, though.

[snow dawn]

why is it a bad suggestion?

[fallen coral]

I certainly don’t play it to get rolled by juiced dudes with purples and blues in every slot when I’m coming in barebones

[cold reef]

Check out OnePeg's Q&A video that dropped today. It covers all this. I have great hope for this game. 🙂

[spare elbow]

Yea basically Hr is 2 x harder without even factoring in players while the loot is maybe 2x better. When you factor in BiS geared players it makes it maybe 5 x harder at least

[hard pine]

Or realize an assymetric game such as this is doomed from the start. There is a reason Marcus Crassus was drowned with molten gold.

[winter flicker]

STORY MODE: PVE only, no PVP. You and your friends party up and explore the world of DaD. You can explore Ruins ->GC or Crypt->Inferno (bosses) - Loot is scaled down and there is no chance of legendary drops or higher.

14 and under PVP mode: Much as it exists now.

I guess I cant post the last part about what to do about HR in here, fun

[ripe vessel]

Stamina bar would be interesting, but it would be difficult to implement and be balanced. It changes a lot of mechanics

[empty sigil]

I think if you're going in barebones your goal should be anything other than ratting to get out.

[spare elbow]

Tying agi or resourcefulness to stamana would work

[pallid tree]

go play barony

[snow dawn]

The stamina bar is the cooldown for rage and sprint but its compleatly useless if they are buffed. There is no outrunning a barb of fighter that is running at you with buffs on. Thing is that they dont want to make tanky meele classes skill based because then the streamers are gonna complain that they cant take every single fight ever without even stopping to think about possisioning or the terrain around them or the comp of the other team or anything else than W and attack

[hidden geode]

what's a good price for a gold key

[ripe vessel]

resourcefulness would make sense. It doesnt have too much use in combat other than traps/campfires. Thematically, rangers have highest stamina makes sense, but it would be bad for balance

[fallen coral]

When you say anything OTHER than ratting, what do you suggest? Are you saying poor people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Git gud? Help me fierce one

[thorn rune]

They added the persuasion stat to resourcefulness which increases the duration of bard songs but yeah

[winter flicker]

Having the ability to give a part of the player base what they want, without it effecting the top end of the games talent pool is good for the game and its player base.

Forcing new players to be subjected to other players power fantasies only serves to harm this game and its community.

I get you are just being you, but really, its not good.

• I DONT EVEN WANT A PURE PVE MODE-

but I read and talk to a lot of people who have quit this game that do.

[spare elbow]

Yeah i think agi already affects enough, resource would be cool. Makes sense in my mind too when i think about the resourcefulness of different classes

[lean ridge]

You want the slower classes to have more stamina and the faster classes have better movement speed. That way you can wear down the faster classes in a chase and corner them or win a protracted fight, or they can use their speed to outmaneuver and lose their pursuers.

[ripe vessel]

could also have an endurance stat

[lofty stream]

I know what I need. It's more emotes.

[winter flicker]

Str has always been seperate from Con. For as much as they claim to have D&D, CS, UT, and quake (devs words not mine) be influences of this game they sure seem to ignore most of what made those games great and enjoyable.

[lofty stream]

Can't floss? Bad game confirmed

[winter flicker]

No, those are the games the Dev's on stream said they enjoyed playing as they grew up and were using as influences as they make DaD

take it up with them, not me. Go watch the stream, or dont idc

[snow dawn]

or just make the classes that have the highest HP, magic resistance, physical resistance and DMG not also be just as fast as all the other classes. Just changing the moment speed cap on barbaian and fighter would instantly make them more balanced witout having to nerf their op Jack of all trades stat checking base traits and abilities

[lean ridge]

The other option is having the ability to delay or feint attacks, but that leads to nonsense like standoffs with people flailing sticks in the air because noone wants to commit. Stamina breaks that stalemate, of course, but it disproportionately favors tanky melees who can afford to trade on a committed strike.

[spare elbow]

Yeah having a ms cap is weird when everyone with good rolls can hit it with a single speed buff.

[ripe vessel]

issue with nerfing speed on barb abnd fighter is the low gear/ new player experience

[steady robin]

I think they meant shouldn’t

[snow dawn]

Iron mace said that they wanted to not have wide scale balance changes that drastically changes the balance of the game and that they wanted to have a more surgical approach but then they added a equal movement speed cap a patch later

[fallen coral]

I know, I was asking for the alternatives

[spare elbow]

Issue is also range classes do way too much damage atm to slow melee classes down. The reason buff ball is a major meta is because if you cant close the gap in fights that fast without getting hit more than once, youve basically given them the fight already.

[jagged dew]

i love warlock has infinite heals with and infinite poke so balanced 🥺

[hidden compass]

just get better

[ripe vessel]

thankfully they are aware the bow slow is too high

[snow dawn]

Or that fighter and barb have a built in speed shrine in their skill that make them just as fast as squishy classes that cant ever hope to out damage a barbarain with 200 hp 70% mdr and pdr while dealing 100 true damage with war maul

[indigo vale]

are lockpicks only found in dungeon?

[hidden compass]

yup

[spare elbow]

Lol built in speed shrine. Fighter sprint doesnt even compare to speed shrine and lasts what 10 seconds. Its not that impressive imo — not to say its bad either but not as op as a speed shrine

[snow dawn]

10 seconds is way too long for a class that can kill a squishy class in 1-2 hits. If you are in the same room as a barbarian you arent ever coming out of that room alive on a rogue or ranger

[spare elbow]

If you let them get that close as ranger you were asking to be sprinted/roared at. They can keep distance just fine if they want to. I play a lot of fighter not so much barb. Seems most 1h barb builds are faster than fighter though they cant shield arrows

[snow dawn]

its not like you can hear them most of the time when they are running through rooms with a bard buffing them to run even faster. At the time you hear them you are already too close to them. The only way to say out of their range is to be in a open area.

[spare elbow]

You just described not hearing them while also describing bard buffing their move speed which is the most audible thing a team can do besides barb roars i think…

[indigo vale]

thanks!

[spare elbow]

If you aint hearing bard buffs from at least a full room away you trippin. Using monitor speakers or what?

[mighty sequoia]

where is new rusty key location?

[spare elbow]

Under deeze.

[snow dawn]

If they are running around looking for teams and arent slowly clearing rooms then by the time you hear the faint bard song you are most likely being heard by them too and at that point you are as good as dead as long as you arent in a open area and can shoot them from far away.

[mighty sequoia]

u sux

[spiral nova]

Q: is the candy tradechannel full of bots? i mean i already klick superfast on 10g per candy offers but they always already trading like after 1ms. Its unreal and wehn i post i wtb cheap request i get spammed with ppl puting money into window this is so obnoxious its even unreal are these bots? either bots who dont work properly @wtb or ppl requesting trade to block me or others from buying cheap candy? i see this as a seriious issue omfg

[vivid pendant]

whoever said the game is bleeding players before... it's been 15k dungeon 10-12k lobby for the past week or so consistently, lol

[spare elbow]

I’ve posted 10 for 100 and 30 for 300 and both times it took a few seconds before a hit

[snow dawn]

if you are hitting mobs you wont hear their footsteps until they are in the same room as you so by that time its already too late. Only hope is to hear them before they hear you and run away

[spiral nova]

impossible. try to buy at 10g each or post that you want to buy for 10g each. Taste my experience yourself pls its so obnoxious there

[rapid vapor]

Do the devs have any official stance on trade chat bots?

[tiny topaz]

Does anyone know if any stats buff the poison and bleed damage rogues do with their passive and rupture?

[zinc cliff]

What is troll's blood worth?

[ancient tendon]

Please find a healthy way to balance gear in lobbies! I am so sick of not being able to progress because people in full epic/legendary gear can go into regular lobbies with no penalty 🙏 🙏 🙏

[rapid vapor]

Yes.

[tiny topaz]

which stat? I tried magical damage and got nothing

[rapid vapor]

For poison or rupture? Poison uses magic, rupture uses physical

[fair marlin]

https://clipchamp.com/watch/uY1TPF3UXhA i think this is good for the game! <15 smurfs

[little latch]

any tips for players not using VOIP dying in caves to teaming?
chased a bard into a fighter and then they both turned on me so i can only assume the guy was yelling for help

[weak umbra]

just get gear

[tiny topaz]

@rapid vapor ty

[ancient tendon]

really helpful analogy thanks for the input

[boreal ledge]

you need to assume every other person is someone you'll have to fight that will team against you. Really common these days to find 2-3 people pre-grouped in gobbo caves even without in game voice on

[fallen coral]

He forgot to say gitgud too

[weak umbra]

well he is a streamer and nobody listens to him

[little latch]

super unfortunate but thats really the only way i can look at it

[boreal ledge]

on the weekend i killed a trio of rogues 3v1 with my barb, then lost my kit the next round to a caped duo in caves who ran ranger (see tracks), barb and shit talked at the start of the match they were going to chase everyone down

[tidal plover]

They should put you and your teams kits on the loading screen and spawn location for coming in mega juiced

[rapid vapor]

I also wanna point out they have half scaling so they get half the benefit of power bonus, magical damage(for poison), divine strike, additional damage, and true damage

[formal moon]

I really hope the devs don't take any opinions from this channel

[frail spire]

I used divine strike on dummy and it didnt seem to do magic dmg, I think it doesnt scale

[weak umbra]

[subtle heart]

They do

[formal moon]

Explains the bad updates

[rapid vapor]

Divine strike only adds physical damage

[lilac gull]

I'd say most of them come from the poll votes

[frail spire]

yer

[weak umbra]

that's why we have 20k players

[formal moon]

New meta, update based on the community of ppl that don't like your game concept to begin with. Watch player count drop

[frail spire]

new meta, complain on discord to the community you claim to not like, every day, for some reason. Watch braincell count drop.

[subtle heart]

😆

[crystal sedge]

so twice today ive got obvious teamers in GC, what are you guys doing with this game?

[pale trellis]

report them bro

[weak umbra]

just kill 2v1

[fervent ferry]

how do i report planned teaming?

[wild galleon]

Dear Ironmace,
I mostly run eco raids and would like to have a dependable source of grey/white equipment available from the vendors. I don't know what the purpose of cycling loot through your vendors is, but it seems to me that there's no reason to not have grey/white items always available.
Thanks for listening,
Maash

[fervent ferry]

4 players running around solos together not talking at all ingame just putting down campfires for each other and they both sit down before the guy has even started the animation... so incredibly boring

[weak umbra]

just kill 1v4

[pure valve]

Any chance of a PVE version?

[restive frost]

your just kinda weird if your like trying to fight if everyone fucking around and being chill who cares

[rapid vapor]

No. But SDF entertained the idea of a pve event. So maybe that in the far future

[lilac gull]

Unlikely

[charred oasis]

whats difference beetween phy power phy dmg and wpnd mg?

[rapid vapor]

Phys power is a % multiplier to your weapon damage, if you mean additional physical damage its a bonus not affect by phys power. Weapon damage is a bonus to your weapons damage and is affected by phys power

[weak umbra]

1. wep dmg
2. phys dmg
3. phys power

[crystal sedge]

every match if you dont see killfeed, its 99.9% teamers in that lobby. just evac. im done with this game until they adress that situation better cause it kills the game for me

[opal oxide]

Does anyone know if any stats or modifiers effect spell channel time? For spells like sanctuary, ray of darkness, etc.

[silver geyser]

This game is fuicking terriblwe

[weak umbra]

dont play it then

[spare elbow]

noo

[rapid vapor]

Knowledge and spell casting speed will, in the event of playing music there's a new stat I think its in agi that lets you play faster

Edit: yeah manual dex in agi will boost play speed for bards

[weak umbra]

its you on your pfp?

[hard pine]

indeed

[trim ravine]

new maps suck

[weak umbra]

yes

and what you main? barbarian because of low intelligence?

[formal moon]

How can you fix teaming. Literally just player behavior

[unkempt wolf]

🙂

[wheat dragon]

what does parrying with the longsword even do? stupid question but im new

[weak umbra]

you can riposte to deal damage

[rapid vapor]

Right click after a parry and you'll do a quick swing called a riposte. You can do up to 2 after 1 parry

When will IM allow us to half sword though

[brazen finch]

hey, there is zero tax for the game right, you pay exactly 35 dollars

[quaint lodge]

yah know if clarity pots recharge second wind?

[weak umbra]

they dont

[glass silo]

no way you care about this lmao

[trim ravine]

can you tell your boss to revert gc changes, these new maps are dogwater

[opal patrol]

Yo question for anyone who might know. Earlier I was staggered by a zwiehander while blocking with a Heater shield. Heater shield has 5 block power and zwiehander can reach 5 impact if the barb has crush equipped but that still shouldn't stagger my block. Are there Stats that influence impact power currently?

[unkempt wolf]

If you disagree with how the new gc changes are, please properly voice your feedback here https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/ Thank you!

[brazen finch]

Why wouldn't i when the price is already high

[rose timber]

Is there a place we can get the attribute descriptions that are not in broken english? very hard to make sense of them

[rapid vapor]

Stats, no i dont think. That's really interesting though. I assume it was a barb who staggered you too right. Was it in solos?

[idle plinth]

how much would a +5 phys power 46 damage crossbow sell for

[opal patrol]

Yeah it was. He roared and I assume had crush for the +1 impact. I was using flanged mace so Maybe it just felt like I was staggered because it's slower

[brazen finch]

So is there a tax

[glass silo]

half the price of most triple a games?

[rapid vapor]

Well it would still stagger you a bit if you have equal powers. I thought you meant like it knocked your block down

[opal patrol]

No just staggered. Gotcha I thought it had to exceed my power to stagger

[trim ravine]

Can't even break even with these new GC maps, holy shit there is not loot, just mobs that drop gear that won't even sell

[lean spoke]

Shields have good block zones and bad block zones, if you take a hit at x you get x stagger, if you get hit at y you get y stagger.

[rapid vapor]

Is that true? Where in the wiki can i find that info

[limber pollen]

not playing until warlock is nerfed dying to curse of pain every game is not enjoyable

[lean spoke]

nowhere, involves testing with friends.

[brazen finch]

what most? Most i payed for is probably DayZ, most of my games probably were somewhere 20-25 dollars and less

[frail spire]

to answer your question you probably yes do pay tax (because its the law)

[brazen finch]

k, thanks

[pulsar galleon]

wizard players can cast tax evasion

[opal oxide]

Is that for duration though? I'm trying to make the spells last longer, not cast quicker.

[rugged sedge]

🤔

[spare elbow]

[pulsar galleon]

money gang 🧙‍♂️

[opal oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[rapid vapor]

In that case you can make buffs last longer on yourself by raising will. But you can't directly affect another players buff/debuff duration outside of like curse of weakness

[severe dust]

Does physical healing give you a dot heal overtime or is it just a + bonus to all healing you do? / Get

[opal oxide]

They're not technically buffs tho, they're just spells you have to "concentrate on" while casting.

[rapid vapor]

Okay, I'm confused now. What spells exactly are you trying to buff, and do you mean you're trying to make them last longer, or come out quicker

[proper ore]

Wonder if their ever gonna make blues and greens actually worthwhile to vendor

[spare elbow]

Theyre talking about spells with a channel like sanctuary, earthquake, arcane missles, etc.

[opal oxide]

What pinky said, and have the spells last longer. Because they end a set time after casting.

[spare elbow]

I imagine eventually you can get REP with vendors via quests and items they are interested in will sell for more. Pots and magic items to alchemist, plate gear to armorer, etc

[cinder cipher]

what is with all the scummy teaming tonight

[proper ore]

Just seems like most things you find arent worth picking up, gearing is rough af with 75 to 100g per run IF i make it out, a full green kits like 6-10 runs, too long to spend gearing to get wiped by gold buyers in all blue/purp.

[rapid vapor]

Then that depends on the spell. Magic missles will fire faster. The cleric spells are fixed afaik

[opal oxide]

Missiles fire faster? Depending on knowledge/casting speed?

[spare elbow]

I really dont think thay many ppl buy gold

[cinder cipher]

2 out of 3 drops into ruins, get teamed, watch them work together after spectate shit talk the bait and split loot. Scummy

[limber nimbus]

can we implement a "linked-search" type of feature in the stash so you can right click an intact skull for example and see what i can make with it so your stash doesnt fill up with the useless stuff you dont want to craft with?

[rapid vapor]

Yes

[opal oxide]

Cool thanks

[proper ore]

Some might just get carried to that gear, but they really need to cap dr at like 40% i legit shot a guy with green longbow 7 times, swung sword on him like 4 times and my bud stabbed him 3 times, we both got 2 tapped

[spare elbow]

Tbf nah ive had 70% armor and still get 25% hp taken by a ranger arrow. Thats not even a headshot sometimes

[lean spoke]

I love how much rogue mains complain when they still 3 shot barbarians

[severe dust]

Wear more armor?

[tawdry minnow]

does achilles strike still work with molotovs and throwing axes?

[lean spoke]

Even with no armor a rogue should not do 150 damage in 3 stabs while also being able to catch up to or outrun anyone, dodge any attack from 2 handed weapons etc

[spare elbow]

Point being fighter is just a weak barbarian without 60% plus armor, which is easily acheivable with a 50 ish gold gray plate kit

[proper ore]

Dont know why gold though needs to be so scarce, i think its easy af to blow 3k gold on a meager blue kit, but fml 20 runs to get 1 mid kit is fucked

[wispy sleet]

anyone know where the new rusty key door is

[spare elbow]

You can get a full mid kit with 300 gold, just check your merchants after every run, only buy really good green or blue rolls@if its worth it, only 40-90g each item

[tawdry minnow]

bruh barb has 3x the range of a dagger and can do like 90% of a rogues health in one headshot

[glass silo]

this guys a genius

[lean spoke]

bruh range doesn't matter when they can outrun your attack animation and step in for a quick hit

[sick tapir]

except the battle axe's range - it's got the range of like a shortsword for some reason, even after its recent range buff

[grizzled moss]

2h wpn are easy to Dodge beside qtaff

[tawdry minnow]

use a felling axe

[rapid vapor]

Use your fists

[spare elbow]

Barb fists op — wrong reply but point stands XD

[karmic comet]

[tawdry minnow]

does achilles strike still work with molotovs and throwing axes?

[warped raft]

what is the point of the speed buff on barbs rage if everyone can outrun it now even when they have a weapon out lol

[dense forum]

My team killed Apollo's team in high roller a bit ago. Right before he dies, their Wizard appears to panic and cast invis on a skeleton after doing a really surprising snap to it. Does this look like aimbot to you? @0:54 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZR0CbuDRo0

[tawdry minnow]

its 15 str 15% movespeed for 8 seconds on an instant, its one of the better skills in the game

[dense forum]

It lasts only 6 seconds. Tooltip is wrong.

[rapid vapor]

Yup. Torches too iirc

[sick tapir]

would be neat if achille's strike only worked if the attack hits their legs

[pulsar galleon]

yeah gimp it even more lol

[formal moon]

Tool tip is right, will penalty

[warped raft]

game is no fun anymore early levels, when you can still run into someone with more perks and even just a few more good pieces of gear they can 2 smack you, this is starting to feel like new world and the expertise system where the only thing that matters is your gear, you can be a better player but if you dont have better gear its meaningless

[tawdry minnow]

play goblin caves should be pretty easy to get some gold and get out and level up

[warped raft]

really thought they were trying to make the fights more fun and meaningful and yet it still keeps heading in the direction of building anything you can to one tap

[full haven]

i can one tap barbarians

[tawdry minnow]

or get good at warlock and solo lich at level 5 with +2 magical healing and +3 strength

[lean spoke]

that's not a get good you don;'t do anything but spam and strafe

[warped raft]

i do play it, but soloing against duo and trio used to be more fun, now you have to have uber gear to even pick a fight, not that i expect to be naked and win every fight but, you used to be able to in the least put up a fight if you were good at it

[tawdry minnow]

well it wouldnt make much sense if solo players could easily wipe groups of 3

[dusty kestrel]

Maybe the massive influx of new players has actually improved in skill during the couple months or so they've played this game. I know I have since I got it.

[tawdry minnow]

rogue in a really good position or inner focus chain lightning wizard prolly the only things that can hope to win a 1v3 without god gear

[frail spire]

any class CAN 1v3 but it requires a skill gap, and yes players in general are getting better at the game

[warped raft]

getting better at a game does not mean you can just one tap people, and im not saying its the players at all, its the direction the game is going, against the grain, they say they want longer fights and higher ttk yet every move they make is the exact opposite

[lyric lark]

what are some good item roles i should look for while playing cleric

[tawdry minnow]

rogue's hide duration got overnerfed IMO, they cant take lockpick if they still want to be good at solo fighting groups in crypts anymore

[frail spire]

The gear has been through plenty of iterations. "Back then" gear was just as if not more powerful than it is now. The main thing that has changed is the player skill, not gear gaps.

People blame gear gaps to pretend they are not lacking skill.

[blissful elk]

Nerf warlock when

[tawdry minnow]

at the very minimum hydra shouldnt block collision and monster AI needs to be changed to prioritize players over the hydras

[lofty summit]

anyone else lagging like fucking crazy?

[blissful elk]

Probably the most crutch class with magical healing once they have gear, they just spam 2 spells

[warped raft]

lol yea that has to be it i just keep getting worse and everyone is getting better LOL keep swinging on those nuts and maybe you might get somewhere

[tawdry minnow]

they should make it a ghost hydra that monsters can walk through xD

[rotund pawn]

Agreed I watched a warlock block a cave troll endlessly with the hydra

[tawdry minnow]

or if hydra is going to stay the way it is they should make it cost 50 health instead of 15

[pearl hornet]

is the game lagging for you guys in Ruins map? Or is just my trash computer?

[warped raft]

you prob would defend the new world expertise too where before that was out a low level could beat a high level if they were a better fighter, then comes super gear and now you can be the worst player and get a lucky hit in and one tap

[untold pendant]

Would you guys prefer if the trade pages had item-type specific sections where only that type of item could be listed to avoid the flooding of the trade page? I drew a poor rendition of what I mean https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145270198841114668/1158590155926552596/image.png?ex=651cccaa&is=651b7b2a&hm=fcc0f4812c7a2703b7dd4b9cac0e6a58695f430b7cb4295935f1313a6703411e&
My idea is that you could click a tab, and rather than one page where listings are drowned out in seconds, you'd be able to sell items to people looking for that specific type in a way that is more friendly to sellers (I know there's filtering for buyers)

[blissful elk]

Warlock just shouldn't be able to regain the health they lost not even 5 seconds ago the health regain is too crazy with high end gear, it will get nerfed eventually just how bard and rogue was nerfed

[flat wagon]

are people ok with warlock spam hydra meta?

[tawdry minnow]

no warlocks are definitely overtuned

[fresh adder]

Hellfire > Hydra

[rotund pawn]

I’m not and I’ve been playing lots of warlock fun class but way to powerful rn imo

[tawdry minnow]

remove hydra collision and cut magical healing scaling by 50-66% imo

[sick depot]

Just extracted from HR goblin caves, nothing that I collected is in my characters inventory? Just what I started out with. Anyone had this happened?

[rotund pawn]

@tawdry minnow I agree the magic healing is crazy once you get like over 2 magic heal

[untold pendant]

Does your character have the starting gear equipped now? Is it possible the game thought you died even though it didn't look like it on your end?

[tawdry minnow]

also power of sacrifice probably shouldnt even be regenerating health for the warlock, nothing in the tooltips state it should

[blissful elk]

+magic heal on all gear is broken asf

[sick depot]

No - I'm fully kitted ranger. I guess maybe some starting hunting traps?

[burnt tendon]

So when this ranger nerf dropping?

[static cipher]

never cause dev is main ranger

[rotund pawn]

Building that rn I can’t imagine how broken it is because +4 magic heal I feel unkillable

[proper root]

Me and a cleric were in duos and started fighting a warlock on the ruins map and suddenly none of our spells weren't going off in the fight. It would use the spell slot and we would get the casting finish animation but no spell would go out. What happpened? ( no bard was in the lobby so it wasn't the bard thing)

[midnight mantle]

I have +11 and it’s stupid.

[tawdry minnow]

does rogue poison scale with +% magic power, willpower, or magic/true magic damage?

[static cipher]

yes

[gusty geyser]

Get the high roller solos map out of sub 15s, stupid shit

[trim ravine]

true

[static cipher]

im going on high roller sub 15 their is no one easy loot

[eager badge]

why is there a troll room in the corner of the map

[rapid vapor]

How do you guys feel about curse of weakness

[trim ravine]

the high roller map they added into low roller rotation has a loot less loot I swear

[static cipher]

yeah they love shadow nerf things its their speciality

[wanton dawn]

so debuff duration bonus % on gear seems to be a detriment, yes?

[trim ravine]

no

[wanton dawn]

so character sheet is lying?

[trim ravine]

debuff duration is on the people you hit dum dum

[wanton dawn]

you can't read, clearly. hover over the stat.

[tulip perch]

meh

[tawdry minnow]

do yall think it'd be possible to oneshot people with ambush back attack hand crossbow rupture? one rogue bow headshot death

[trim ravine]

dumb and dumber

[wanton dawn]

seems you realized you don't know what you're talking about if that's all you have to say

[dusky rain]

please get rid of new regular goblin caves map is so fking bad

[blissful elk]

Why do people throw their own game at end circle, just watched 3 people die to swarm because they rather try to fight and obtain gear instead of leaving, actual fools

[scarlet vortex]

why is there resourcefulness ring but no resourcefulness cloak

[buoyant bough]

Tbh it sounds kinda useless, for mostly combat based classes so far there’s no point

[halcyon oar]

how much does old cloth sell for?

[buoyant bough]

Nothing, it’s really common. But I don’t get my cleric is so slow to interact with stuff. He should be one of the more educated classes

[sweet crag]

why are the people in ruins so much less cool than the gcers

like the lameness puts me off

[coarse cliff]

we should buff storm damage more so health pots do even less!

[buoyant bough]

Whadda mean by that?

[spring ferry]

anyone else after gets random disconects and then after reconnecting cant atack cast spells or interact with objects?

[glad storm]

NERF WARLOCK | WARLOCK = RUSH KILL ALL

[indigo vale]

is there a way a warlock can open chests that require lockpicking?

[tawdry minnow]

lockpicks

[olive escarp]

Whoever said warlock is squishy is extremely unhinged

[hasty sorrel]

price check: blue spellbook(5 dmg) with +3 mag dmg

[azure kindle]

Why does the ranger get doublet as starter chest piece when the upgraded versions give will? A stat that 99% or rangers can't fully use

[flat wagon]

yeah the modes are flooded with warlock players spamming hydra, sucks when there is literally no counterplay to it in open areas. I dont want to be a hater but something gotta happen to them hydras man

[obsidian rain]

Anyone else getting glitched out portal stones that you can't interact with?

[rotund pawn]

I agree and I play warlock it’s just to much rn I don’t run hydra because I hate the meta

[opal lichen]

Just encountered 3 fully geared players teaming in hr gobo

[smoky vine]

Rangers cant use spear of rot why?

[spark condor]

definitely need a gear cap for normal lobby

[crimson edge]

I have several times I’ve noticed it’s one my partner jsut used or a enemy

[flat mountain]

well does spear mastery say it lets the ranger use spear of rot?

[smoky vine]

😮

[inland breach]

are potions counted as magical or physical healing

[delicate yew]

Do they plan to make spear of rot usable by ranger ?

[smoky vine]

no clue

[inland breach]

Pretty sure it is if they take the perk, but could be wrong

[smoky vine]

nah i have the perk its red i have another spear thats blue and i can equip

[fringe cypress]

balls

[flat wagon]

honestly just pooling money until the warlock nerf hotfix so that i can ball out on the warlock players who lost their op hydra

[silver jacinth]

I need Spear ofo rot to be used by a ranger

[fringe cypress]

i need spear ofo rot to be used by a ranger

[silver jacinth]

Spear of Rot isnt a spear?

[halcyon coral]

Is there a way to report players for toxicity?

[delicate yew]

I need Spear ofo rot to be used by a ranger

[wanton otter]

sorry I crouch spammed you :3

[halcyon coral]

Did you call me a slur?

Cus that's what the other dude did

[silent fog]

the one fucking time i go full kit i randomly disconnect with "it ended abrupltly. please restart."

[sudden mesa]

please for the love of god remove credits from the escape menu

[flat mountain]

why lol

[sudden mesa]

my "idiotbutt" (very cool pg discord for M rated game) has clicked it by accident too much when leaving match

[idle hedge]

Rat pendant with +3.7 physical dam and +3 additional physical damage should go for what because it will not sell ? …. Help me understand

[fringe cypress]

very cool pg discord for m rated game

[frank hill]

hydra isnt op, ur just bad, change my mind.

[sudden mesa]

ikr?

[fringe cypress]

true change our minds, warlock acually needs a buff if you think abt it

[frank hill]

i think its one of the more balanced classes, no need to buff

[sudden mesa]

nothing is ever op. everyone is always just in git gud territory. ha ha. giglge giggle.

[ripe sable]

I've never even been hit by hydra

[sharp glade]

Ironmace add Claymore weapon to Barbarian I want to be a Highlander thanks

[fringe cypress]

i was more joking than being serious

[ripe sable]

If they were to change anything to hydra it would have to be taking away the ability to cast it and then use sacrifice and pain on it to get your health back.

[sudden mesa]

nah thats 100% balanced

[frank hill]

it cost 15 health to cast it, then 4 more health to sacrifice it with a base health of like 85 something on warlock, and 200 on hydra.

[rancid marten]

damn dude barbs are busted still lol

[sinful holly]

Why does a warlock with a full set of gear have 95% move speed with no move speed buffs?

[sudden mesa]

cause the devs main warlock

[ripe sable]

Base warlock has 96 health. 15 health to cast hydra, 5 for pain, 5 for sac for about 35-40 health back. So basically you don't even need mobs to heal because you can just use your hydra. That's not balanced and I'm a warlock player lmao

[frank hill]

you dont get that much healing back w/o healing+ gear

its balanced because the class does 0 damage

[sinful holly]

I think some people might agree that the class deals more than 0 damage.......

[hearty star]

Warlock is finally a playable class that has more than 2 abilities and people immediately think it’s op? Why is that? I play all day rolling not op geared warlocks

[opal patrol]

Without warlock sustain and hydra the class doesnt really have much tbh

[ripe sable]

0 damage????? Blow of corruption head shot with the trash staff almost one hits people

[sinful holly]

I've been one shot as a cleric with green/whites at 110 hp by a warlock using blow of corruption and a bardiche........full health to 0 in a single hit.....

[frank hill]

why would you nerf the fun part of the class w/ the hydra then the blow of corruption is the problem lmao? 0 damage in spells

[sudden mesa]

no guys warlock really does 0 damage thats why theres a ton of warlocks now, cause they like to do no damage

[ripe sable]

Actually curse of pain and power of sac do plenty of damage. I'm saying you shouldn't be able to heal off your own hydra.

[hearty star]

People need to get better at the game if you’re going to call warlocks overpowered…😂

[sinful holly]

why exactly do you believe they do 0 damage?

[frank hill]

yeah i cant argue w/ ppl that actually dont know how the class plays lmao

i dont think it does 0 damage, i was saying that for impact, it does minimal damage compared to all other classes, figured that would be clear enough but i guess not lol

[humble hinge]

is crypts lagging/framey for most people?

[hearty star]

@humble hinge the whole servers have been laggy

[muted pilot]

why did they remove the move speed penalty from torches? it completely kills utilizing the darkness to your advantage of running away

[sudden mesa]

people were having too much fun

[ripe sable]

Because you don't have to be in a fight for it. So you basically have an infinite health pot you can use as many times as you want

[muted pilot]

baffling that they nerfed utilizing the DARK to your advantage in a game titled DARK and DARKER

[brisk lava]

how much does troll blood go for

[sick tapir]

In the goblin caves, is the gate leading to the stairs with the rock avalanche exit randomly timed? Or based on the map varient?
I've seen it open at 2:30 left, and just now saw it open with 4:30 left

[hearty star]

Infinite health pot for what? Pve? Cause pvp they get rolled… I’m not seeing your point

[tepid scaffold]

the merchants dosent load?

[dreamy burrow]

Any chance the devs are thinking of adding colorblind mode, i cant tell the difference between rares and epics 😦

[gritty flume]

does dark reflection proc on ranged attacks

[twin magnet]

does anyone know what the price of gold ore cost each?

[sudden mesa]

yeah i wish the dark actually meant something in this game. death swarm should put out lights, block out the mini map, etc.

[celest harness]

Anyone know how much the troll bag 💰 holds? Is it worth it to make or just keep the pelt as value xD?

[glass silo]

maybe because its cringe?

[muted pilot]

honestly, thats what ive been saying it would be so sick

[opal breach]

the bag itself retains value plus can store money in it

[quick trellis]

Buenas una consulta, alguien sabe si la Perk Dual Wield,me da la velocidad usando armas de dos manos, Ej; Longsword,Halberd. Muchas gracias !

[scarlet bronze]

No lo hace also #chat-español

[twin magnet]

do you guys go geared when mining ores?

[sinful holly]

does the spellbook actually cast faster than staff's or is it purely for the movespeed?

[dreamy burrow]

move speed only im pretty sure

[fluid frigate]

does rusty key still work

[cinder wing]

the animation is faster. so cast faster according to what ive experienced and what some streamers say as well. but you lose melee obviously

[mighty summit]

how do i crash after leaveing a raid and come back to no loot and no gear wtf..... thats a first... and a major issue

[glad storm]

NERF WARLOCK | WARLOCK = RUSH AND KILL ALL

[fluid knot]

anyone else get a message when they load game? "it ended abnormally, please restart game"

[lunar harness]

DOES RUSTY KEY STILL WORK

[spare elbow]

Yeah it works — as a paper weight

[lunar harness]

no way - explain fully @spare elbow

[subtle heart]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[opal breach]

no use currently but I’ll take it off your hands for 50g my friend

[scarlet ether]

So my friend got mad at me for trying to get peaceful with players, talking like hey dont attack us when you see us. is that really a bad thing to do

[twin magnet]

teaming ptsd

[vivid pendant]

your friend said to stop being a punk bietch 😐

[scarlet ether]

were in a disadvantagous spot and i had heavy armor and went with a tank build. so that was the quickest option to think of to save us since im slow. we died, but i was ready to fight still

[fervent lantern]

lol event chat got turned off

[rapid arrow]

Game is still full of full juicers running normal lobbies this game is trash hope it dies to another game

[heady oxide]

Why are you even in this chat then? Lol

[empty sun]

All event chats are closed after the events

[fervent lantern]

ahh i see, i didnt know the event was closed

[snow bolt]

。。

[molten ore]

looks like the bug for not getting loot when leaving a match is still happening

[empty sun]

Yeah it was only up for two or three days as the event was only about two hours

[wicked parrot]

Don't worry bud, you're going to suck at the "other game" too

[vivid pendant]

[near relic]

Does curse mastery work properly?

[copper forge]

i just got rolled back after leaving a dungeon rip loot

[sinful holly]

Just don't understand why people think stomping players with no gear in under 15 lobbies is fun. It's obviously not the same as cheating, but it's that mentality of ruining other people's enjoyment of the game so you can feel better about yourself

[near relic]

Does anyone know if curse mastery works properly

[wicked parrot]

I hate this take, you know how easy it is to get gear in the low lobbies? 2 runs of doing the wraith/skellie champ and going into hell, you have a full green/blue kit. Everyone who has gear has probably worked for it and you're just whining that you died and can't stay alive

[velvet falcon]

you can even just buy a blue kit pretty easily from the traders, it's amazing how much seething my friend and I encountered yesterday just because we had a few blues

[wicked parrot]

This is a terrible idea, you would have nothing to gain, the thrill of the game is killing people with higher gear than you and stealing it. Not everyone running shit same green white gear and it not being exciting to loot people

[modern gale]

Soon as you hit 15 if you arent only running gc you're thrown into the cesspool of bis cleric fighter ranger teams because ante simply isnt worth it when buying large luck heals and such its a pain

[lusty mica]

can we please for the love of christ start forcing people with a certain gear score to play high roller/ thats like the tenth match tonight that we have ran into all purple max stat roll squads in norm duos

[wicked parrot]

There's no hrs for duos is there

[lusty mica]

please explain this better. this doesnt sound like english

[modern gale]

I enjoy gc i dont like how hard it is to earn your money back in HR

[sick tapir]

Do magic missiles just follow you forever if they don't hit a wall?
Hadn't played ruins before, but encountered a wizard outside, and when they used magic missiles, even when I dodged them, they just wrapped around me and went towards me again, infinitely

[wicked parrot]

Hey guys, if your team is shit and has shit gear, don't put yourself in the position to fight. Hump the circle and don't push inside the circle where the teams are

[lusty mica]

we didnt have shit gear for normal lobbies. they just have such insane gear that our gear didnt mean shit

[wicked parrot]

There is no high roller for duos is there

[lusty mica]

ok but with the gear these duos are running they can easily play trios

[snow bolt]

Please help me check my discord name and send it to me. Thank you

[rotund pawn]

This is basically a play test they change the game basically weekly

[wicked parrot]

We are in a Playtest lmao UTS CALLED EARLY ACCESS. WE PAID THEM TO TEST THIER GAME. THE devs are going to do changes and make mistakes and correct them. How dense are you

[sinful holly]

I say just go ahead and make it so sub level 15 can't group with 15+........sorry for people who want to "teach" their friend by giving them amazing gear......just make it so they can't ever be in the same lobby together

[finite yoke]

Anyone out here running torch cleric build?

[wicked parrot]

I've been here since the start. How would that be a better way LOL they literally sold the game for us so they could make money and keep servers up for us. What's better way of testing.. 1 weekend of information.. or information 24/7. You lose bud

[rotund pawn]

I disagree this lets them test way more that releasing for a week every so often the devs feel it’s better in early access and feel they get better info why go back to a play test that’s less effective?

[vivid pendant]

the whiners don't realize how small their dev team is, too

[wicked parrot]

Now that the dev team is out of a lot of the legal battle and don't have to spend resources battle off the major ddos attacks, you'll see them being more active

[twin magnet]

how much does one gold ingot cost?

[wicked parrot]

Cause the devs listened to the elite streamers instead of sticking to their gut. And they've apologized for that and said they're going to fix what they djd

[rotund pawn]

They are testing different ideas and how it effects the game it’s better to have the constant info then just a week and then change it and months later another week your side doesn’t make sense to go back to play tests they get to test less things for the game

Just because you personally don’t like the changes doesn’t make it the end of the world it’s early access and the devs are just experimenting idk why you have such a problem with that

[vivid pendant]

lawsuit in korea is done??

[wicked parrot]

No

[rotund pawn]

Bro they can’t get everything perfect first try it’s called trial and error they’ll fix it soon it’s early access its way better for the dev team than a playtest

[craggy moat]

is anyone going into dungeon as a 3 man but starting game in iniividual parties (same server instan ce)

[fiery furnace]

@craggy moatthat just happened to me.

[plain marsh]

i had a level 3 warlock with 3 capes

[glass estuary]

In two hours my game said "It ended abnormally. Please restart." what happened, guys. It because of any program or maybe obs? Can somebody help me? It is second time

[sick tapir]

man, the ruins are crazy, just gave it a shot, and 90% of the people there were all wearing full blue/purple, including capes

[sinful holly]

its pretty much 70% of ruins games right now have those people in it

[sick tapir]

like I want to try out that map, but I'm definitely not if I'm going up against that kind of opposition

[lavish cypress]

Haha Warlocks can Curse of Pain their own hydra, def not broken

[obtuse hamlet]

does anyone know where rusty door is

[surreal rapids]

Game is clearly still in a test phase. Wish they didn't charge us to play this garbage. I understand why they did it, with the lawsuit and all, but this sucks. Game is unbalanced, weapon modding choices are leaving the community baffled, and there's not enough content. Not to mention, it's a rogue orgy once again. Watch this game die.

[obtuse hamlet]

@surreal rapids Lost me at the last sentence hahahahaha

[surreal rapids]

HahHAhahhAH Ok Bradley true your content sucks

[dusk grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[undone scroll]

I still can't believe they aren't even considering my point about the more skill based solution of lobbies for gear caps tbh

[obtuse hamlet]

if you think rogue is strong you are wrong, takes 8 hits to a fighter but ty

[odd siren]

anyone else just get kicked out>?

[surreal rapids]

This dude. You would have ZERO content if you didn't play that class. Zero. Of course it takes 8 hits to kill a fighter. They wear plate you ape. I bet you enjoy pressing invisibilty and kill every single other class in the game in 2-3 hits aside from barb. Enjoy yourself

[obtuse hamlet]

Thats like saying JayGriffuh wouldn't have content playing Wizard, listen to yourself HAHA wakeup man

[plain marsh]

i literally had 3 capes on my warlock by level 3

[hollow kraken]

I'm 100% convinces the devs made the wizard merchants complete ass not one good thing in the past 5 resets for wizard

[plain marsh]

skill issue

[heady furnace]

Heres my proposed changes I think would be incredibly beneficial to the game, Give me your oppinions please.

1. Remove +All Attributes as a whole
   All Attributes conceptually cause a lot of issues for a game like Dark and Darker. Allowing players to not only stack one attribute bonus to +3, as well as an additional universal attribute bonus. The value of all attributes spans to move speed, health, damage, and everything in-between. The gear disparity in this current patch has been exacerbated by Gear itself giving additional attributes, as well as rolling their enchantment, All Attributes being the best beneficiary. From my High Roller experience and even in Low Roller, All Attribute gear has been the primary pain point, having the ability to gain another additional character's stats is ridiculous, and needs to be changed.

2. Limit items to One Additional Attribute roll
   With current changes to armor/weapon rolls, this patch results in Green tier armor being able to gain an additional Attribute bonus. Green has become the equivalent of blue, and easier/more consistent to itemize into your needed stats. Changing armor to be limited to one (On the item itself) makes less pain between low/high tier gear.

3. Limit Damage Reduction to 50%
   Damage reduction beyond 50% becomes exponentially more important on a per-percentage basis. A large pain point between high tier and low tier gear results in the high-end situations where it becomes impossible to kill someone (With 70% damage reduction in both magic/physical) as well as them having 25+ in all stats

4. Keep abundant items in Merchant, But give them a high end on rolls.
   Currently the abundance of gear inside the merchants has dis-incentivised people to actually go into the dungeon. Currently it has hurt not only the player-economy with an oversaturation of BIS gear causing anything not perfect worth nothing, but It no longer makes sense to extract w/ anything but sellables.

[surreal rapids]

That's your defense? A guy that plays the hardest character in the game - mind you, he also plays rogue and has way better content than you running around stealing sht - A guy that participates in weekly D&D chats and is clearly to the eye very good at the game, your defense is he would have no content? Even repoze has better content. Unreal

[plain marsh]

reduce weapon damage perks to 2, +all to 1, and dont let merchant gear get max roll?

also, capes and rings are worth money at least

[undone scroll]

I understand that you can still do positioning, perform team tactics with optimal parings, and learn the map; however, going up against 1v1 of a blue/purple geared player feels like a disparity for people coming with grey/whites, let alone a team of this. Seems odd to outright dismiss the option considering the number of complaints I've read about it

[hasty sorrel]

tf is this ended abnormally shit

[obtuse hamlet]

XD once u get personal its over bro, wizard isnt hard... Go play the game man

[visual bloom]

whats the play when ppl wont fight you and also wont leave you alone

[undone scroll]

kill em

[heady furnace]

Yeah, I also have a huge problem with additional/weapon damage bonuses but I tihnk the bigger issues are with the over-abondance of attributes atm. The damage is alot, but its cause with stats (Positive physical damage bonus) it makes em even more valuable

[plain marsh]

has anyone noticed how terrible the lag was today? i've never rubber banded so hard. i swung at a barb and hit him today, then he one shot me. my friend told me he never saw me swing, meaning i never had a chance in that fight due to lag. barb still got owned and we survived but damn

[surreal rapids]

Do me a favor and go play wizard then. I'll watch your first 2 wizard videos, but by the third I'll probably be asleep. Unless of course you don't post the 1 video where you go into normal GC and get 3 kills, that one I'm sure will be interesting

[smoky tendon]

No shot this guy is still going….

[obtuse hamlet]

Stream sniped every lobby, HR is dead and a warlock running feista, keep crying man rogue isn't OP and is cope

[surreal rapids]

Again - ZERO content if you didn't play a rogue. Zero. You're horrible. At least make it interesting and play invis pot barb.

[mortal valley]

IMO HR map is not a fun layout

[plain marsh]

why

[obtuse hamlet]

Oh ok your trolling, nvm mb

[tight wave]

Warlock nerf when broken class thats a better wiz cant wait to enjoy this game again

[plain marsh]

what class do you normally play?

[normal olive]

in goblin caves im coming across rooms that to get to the other side you need to use a lever, but most the time unless there's a statue I cant find the lever? Is there not as one or am I just completely missing it.

[mortal valley]

it's a claustrophobic map with zero flow

[tight wave]

fighter. They look at me and half my health is gone. Id use a cross bow but then they just rush in and BoC when ur swapping weapons. Class requires zero skill, just spam projectile hit it once and they win

[plain marsh]

i mean yeah but it's also supposed to counter you. especially if you're in full plate. block the boc with a shield? you can also block curses with a shield too

[modern gale]

Base battle axe attack speed buffs would be nice, Give us solo barbs some leeway to start with

[plain marsh]

the battle axe is significantly better than before but also laughably bad lol

[modern gale]

Range buff was lovely, now its just the speed at which i swing is unbearable for pvp

[tight wave]

wiz counters me but im not gonna cry about it cuz that class takes skill and has actual disadvantages. The "disadvantage" to warlock is they take HP to use abilitys but they have infi sustain like what is that

[plain marsh]

it's really fun is what it is and we just straight up get owned by rangers the way you get owned by warlocks

[inner sundial]

Mages were designed to kill slow moving garbage. In the other hand a barb with a move speed build will always outrun a warlock. It's a gear and intellect issue

[plain marsh]

a warlock will just pick away at the barbs health while blocking him from going somewhere, then use a halberd to finish him off

[short valve]

I love playing with a squad and being seperated in a game

[limber badge]

Just had a goblin caves game where 5 people died in the first 3 minutes and I find the other remaining dude right as he's escaping. I spend the next several minutes freely looting an eerily empty cave.
We need 9 people again lol

[dusk grove]

anyone else think they gotta just remove + all attributes from the pool

[sage sparrow]

i was just playing rogue and I hid in a room just before a cleric came in and somehow he was able to know I was there?

[spring forge]

Anyone else getting extremely bad game freezes, just died because my DnD decided to freeze for a few seconds while I was in the middle of a fight

[subtle heart]

yeah its kind of lame, arguably the best stat in the game bc everyone benefits from it equally pretty much

[broken cipher]

Buff bard

[dusk grove]

the gear desparity is just so crazy when i can go in a regular lobby and have 2+ crazy geared people camping final ring

[subtle goblet]

Anyone found "A portal has been added to the outskirts of Ruins." I've been looking and can't find it

[gritty flume]

I assumed it's a bad translation of "we added another portal to early circles" but i could be wrong

[subtle goblet]

I thought it might be a static exit like in GC?
@gritty flume That could be it too

[inner sundial]

Buff troll gold coin

[snow bear]

How were Ironmace trying to slow down TTK by adding in tons of stronger weapons?

[subtle heart]

Again, extracted with NO loot, how long do we know about this bug ? For like 2 weeks ? Can u guys fix that already since its a bit game breaking ?? Hello ????

[sweet jay]

they were getting skill checked first day of patch so they did an emergency hotfix

[steady valley]

jsut me or did this wipe get super stale super quick?

[tender wedge]

100%. they got filtered by someone with actual hands and decided to revert to one tap meta

[ebon marten]

to much gear nothing to play for.

[trim zealot]

D annd D suggestions probably give you more validity

[heady furnace]

true, will prob throw em up on there

[rapid vapor]

Is there any way I can learn the value of gear without trial and error and sitting and watching what will and wont sell

[rustic pulsar]

Nerf warlock

[limber badge]

My Barb isn't even level ten and I'm at 50% magic resist, 40% phys resist, and +5 all attributes total
This wipes gear is wild

[wild jay]

Did you have a potion on your waist?

[wild jay]

? I mean that's the way, see what other people are selling. That's how that works in real life too 😉

[hardy juniper]

how do the merchants work? as in, when does their shop refresh? I thought it was whenever their little timers reach an interval of 5 but I just checked and my shops have been the same for the past 6 minutes, even though before hand I checked within 2 minutes and they were different.
TLDR when do merchants refresh their shop?

[wild jay]

I think it's every 30 mins irl so like 6/630/7 for example, thats how it was before patch but now idk

[hardy juniper]

okay so theoretically it should reset in 5 minutes then
but then what does the timer next to the merchants mean?

[sage sparrow]

no I was hidden so you shouldn't be able to see it

[wild jay]

Yeah idk what the timer is. And yeah it should - it's about every full game or so, maybe the timer is for service related items.

[wild jay]

Oh, did you have any buffs like weak point or rupture? Cause that stuff is visible to others. Also if there's a light backdrop they can see your silhouette. It also could've just been luck. If you were hiding and they knew you were in the room maybe he just struck the first dark corner. I do that sometimes.

[sage sparrow]

idk that was like an hr ago

[glass silo]

limits on buying health pots exists why?

[wild jay]

Did you mean like you were invis?

[sage sparrow]

yeah

[subtle heart]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hardy juniper]

Okay my merchant JUST changed so I'm assuming your 30 minute interval is correct

[wild jay]

Ohh wait if you triggered your ability right before he walked up on you, when you invis there's like a shadow left behind for a second and if you didn't move then yeah he just attacked

[fiery compass]

i cant duck and look down under a wraith to avoid damage anymore. is this mentioned as a change anywhere?

[rapid vapor]

This may sound dumb, but were you attacking while ducking and looking down

[wicked parrot]

It's been patched

[blissful elk]

if you team in solos just know you are horrible at the game

[flat mountain]

game is plateauing hard because of fundamental design flaws, but they absolutely accelerated it with the last few patches. battle royales don't work when everyone takes in different gear from the start, and loot extractors don't work in a battle royale arena. if they got rid of the circle almost every issue would go away

[shut temple]

Bro I’m so confused we rogues got nerfed to the ground but now we have ambush every 40 secs? What were people complaining about?

[flat mountain]

they basically reverted all the nerfs lol

[halcyon ibex]

hey guys, related to karma system. players get light blue player name with good karma, and pink - red with bad.. is there a blue karma for very good?

[shut temple]

Literally only thing that got nerf was weakpoint by 20%

[sick tapir]

Feels like even with enhanced hearing, ranger can't hear very far

[shut temple]

And cut throat is nasty good

I’m truly confused why people stopped complaining was it really that hide lasted 60secs the reason?

[rapid vapor]

They have the same hearing as everyone else. Enhanced hearing definitely increases max radius. So much so it's confused me a few a times when I've tried using it

[sick tapir]

Just played a game now, and the max distance I could hear any player sounds was just about 2 rooms away (not even that big of rooms)

[scarlet musk]

Can we figure out an anti-chase mechanic, like if you don't wwant to fight, that's all good but the half assed pressing X is a little silly. If an enemy is within a few feet and you press X, they should make it drop your weapon onthe ground.

[spice canopy]

I just had a cleric 2 shot me from full health with a grey mace, feels bad man

[lofty lava]

I haven't been on in like a month, been waiting for the dust to settle with the constant updates, how are things feeling guys?

[earnest current]

Meet a player ( DOUYUSAYAJ3 ) use wall hack with a hack that uses hammer throwing continuously without even having a throwing hammer on him. im watching him in lobby and when im dead he have nothing to throw but he throw like no tomorrow and that a Bar

[spice canopy]

ready your butcheeks... thats all I gotta say. (also be prepared for everyone in this discord to cry at you)

[lofty lava]

sounds like the same as always, lol. fanbase definitely took a turn from jolly to rabid animals after the lawsuit started

[earnest current]

HR is for hacker now and newbie use cheat play normal

[uneven sparrow]

in previous playtests it was hard to stack up magic def, in current patch stack magic def is muuch easier, you even could get a good chunk of physical def with alot of magic def at same time
other classes have either weapons(maul, crossbows etc) or abilities(ranger pierce shot) what could offer physical pierce
yet mage have no skills nor weapons what could offer magic pierce, only occasionnal magic penetration stat on equipment
perhaps give staff native magic pierce or/and some skills/debuffs which would give magic penetration on a target?

or this message more suited for #suggestion-discussion ?

[main raven]

Jay actually has several avenues of content without Wizard lol. Think Pickpocket Perry

[sudden aspen]

Or literally being #2 ranked lol

[warped raft]

may as well remove rogue from the game they are garbage unless uber geared

[terse crystal]

IRONMACE FIX GOBLIN CAVES* Never have enough time and circle barely ever lands on cave troll on certain maps...

[hidden geode]

does old rusty key do anything yet?

[sudden aspen]

Gc isn’t just a cave troll grind map

[warped raft]

clerics spells reach way too far

[trim swallow]

damn i just lost 2 full sets due to stuttering

[astral warren]

I was just in a high roller crypts run when my game said "it ended abnormally, please restart" and lost all my gear. is there anything that can be done? I assume not, but it was some good stuff....

[slender silo]

How much is a key worth rn?

[mossy canopy]

what is trolls club used for?

[slender silo]

Crafting

[astral warren]

key is worth 1500 to 2000

[mossy canopy]

Do you know which craft its used for? I am trying to figure that out

[foggy osprey]

how many cheaters are in this game?

[elder sandal]

wtb trolls pelt hmu

[mossy canopy]

At times it seems like TONS. But other times not many.

[slender silo]

Just check all the crafts on the merchants
Should find it pretty quickly

[silk wagon]

quick question. does the rogues jester perk give the +2 all atributes bonus to the rogue using the perk? or just his party

[echo idol]

both

[sharp sail]

HOW TO REPORT THEM teaming up in solo que?

[silk wagon]

awesome it wasnt showing it in my stats page in the lobby as im playing solo goblin caves and was trying to figure out a good 2nd perk as the lockpick skill hasnt been useful in my games so far

[echo idol]

you cant teaming isnt against the rules unless they are doing it from outside the game

[frank spoke]

bro I just got the best warlock book in my candy shop iv'e ever seen +2 all +3 magic heal +2 magic power

[silk wagon]

personally i dont (team) like most people. if some one is friendly ill be passive and not attack. i might drop some potions or loot as a gift or if i have loot for thier class that i cant immediately use. what i wont do is team up to 2v1 other players unless said player has already attacked me and is being outright agressive

[echo idol]

i bought a +2 all rapier with 3 strength and sold it for 700

[frank spoke]

Does the amount of candy it cost randomly roll or does it calculate that shit, the book is 70candy which is like 700 g

[sudden inlet]

game feels like URF

[astral warren]

does anyone know what causes the game to boot you and say "it ended abruptly, please restart"?

[echo idol]

randomly roll

[frank spoke]

damn if it was less than 30 candy I would be rich

[echo idol]

i got my rapier for 22 candy and got 700 gold so decent profit

[warm rune]

I'm so tired of these shitty servers

[frank spoke]

huge profit imo anything above 500 is nuts

[echo idol]

the best thing you can get is a +2 all dark plate with strength and weapon damage thats probaly worth a key

[frank spoke]

How much you think this book is wortg

[calm halo]

where do i select roles? which channel

[echo idol]

im not good at guessing prices i just sort by the book and see what people are selling it for

[nova pilot]

id:customize

[frank spoke]

I got 44 candy already so I might buy it but imma check prices

[echo idol]

someone gave me 90 candy for 5 ruby ingots idk why i only asked for 500 gold

[frank spoke]

tf, what servers you in?

[echo idol]

east na

[drowsy monolith]

hi, whats the best solo class?

[echo idol]

i lost a 1400 gold set because the last portal spawned in a place i couldnt get into

that was all my gold i had too but i bounced back to 2k gold

[fallow barn]

any barbs want a purple double axe?
+4 phys dam
+1 true dam?
+3max hp

[grim vessel]

What you can and can't duck under is so random

[exotic gust]

twitch streamer

[split lynx]

So warlock is just OP now and everyone just plays that mono? sick game

[dreamy kiln]

anyone get dced? game says it ended abnormally please restart, lost a 1k set

[astral warren]

that happened to me as well

[dreamy kiln]

welp thats enough dark and darker for me today then lmao. just when i was about to kill this warlock

[finite yew]

is anyones sound kinda messed up?

[woven plume]

yo would you craft a rubysilver cuirass with +2 all 1% move speed and 2.8% magical interact?

[bleak lodge]

would it be a good idea to make it so warlocks cant heal off of their own hydra? seems broken for sitting in swarm or looting hoards and just for having infinite heals in general

[woven plume]

yeah it should be changed so they cant heal off of it for sure.

[split cedar]

Yep ,for sure

[split lynx]

yeah I mean now that warlock is solved they gonna need a balance lol

[past galleon]

what are mimic teeth used to craft?

[night oasis]

fleshlights

[urban fable]

Whats the link?

[wet leaf]

Anyone knows how to set-up à Pavise?

[wicked parrot]

Attack with it, or hit F or your use key

[kind osprey]

why people selling troll pelts for over 1 key, damn

[shell crescent]

HOW TF DO I FIX THE STUTTERING

[hidden geode]

any use for old rusty key yet?

[dull surge]

Yup warlock is busted and people do nothing but play them cause they're too fast to catch for a barb outheal the damage from a ranger out damage a wizard and are just free wins and it's legitimately killing the game.

[night oasis]

ya i like the way they introduced bard, make them weak and build up slowly from there. this op BS is what other game companies do to make people buy the battle pass and sht

[dull surge]

Its just unbalanced rn theyll fix it soon like they fixed rogue and wizard problem being is till then the game is next to unplayable i see like half a lobby being warlocks in more than half my matches

[dull surge]

forgot to click reply but its painful to the point where i ain't even having fun

[barren ingot]

not true. Equally geared players can stomp a warlock

[dull surge]

Phantomize dodge run hit with ranged dot walk away from them repeat

[barren ingot]

Clearly you dont play warlock if you think its that simple

[dull surge]

Thats how they're killing me doesn't matter what I run or do they just run poke run poke run poke even if i hit em with ranged weapons even if i catch up they just outrun most of the close ranged classes to the point where ya can't hit em less youve got the right weapon

[barren ingot]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

[glad horizon]

Warlock is a trash class, just spam hydra, leech off it, no fun

[dull surge]

Ya see if it was that I wouldn't be mad or even upset but doesn't matter what I do how I change up my tactics or fights or anything I've tried other classes and simply put warlock is just free wins

[barren ingot]

Dont tell me you play ranger and are losing to warlocks?

[dull surge]

im a barb main. I've also dabbled in rogue bard cleric and now just to lazily prove a point warlock

[proper blade]

I hope they rebalance ignite, after the 100% > 50% ignite scaling nerf No one plays it. They killed the build completly. Testning it rn it needs a buff tbh maybe 70-80% scaling

[blissful fern]

Why would you play melee wizard when warlock with boc exists, it is tankier and does not require buffs

[weak umbra]

because warlock is boring and easy

[blissful fern]

Yeah but winning is also fun lol

[weak umbra]

but its like taking a gun to a medieval fight

[warm rune]

Are the servers taking a shit for anybody else

[kind osprey]

a properly built warlock autowins vs any melee. need ranged of any sort to force phantomize, then hope you can outlast the dots

related: fuck iron will as a perk, invalidates casters

[warm rune]

Are casters not allowed to have counters?

[proper blade]

That build is way more fun than playing warlock. Invis haste and stab ppl, zap If they close gap.

[cunning summit]

is there an audio bug in the game or something? literally died 4 times to mobs running up behind me with completely no audio

[kind osprey]

it's called a bow, but at least you can do something vs rangers. can't do anything vs iron will barb if you rely on magic damage especially after the buff to make it ignore knockback

[subtle heart]

could I get some feedback on my balancing suggestion that I posed in the megathread on the DaD subreddit? https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16xmocn/comment/k39ede6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[blissful fern]

Ranger, iron will barb, crossbow fighter, crossbow bard…

[dull surge]

Running naked warlock only losing to kitted players when I choose to keep fighting them and other warlocks.

[vapid arch]

Merchants have truly fucked trading, can't even sell +2 all for 100g

[dull surge]

Iron will makes it possible for barbs to close in and actually fight wizards cause even with iron will just takes one well placed magic missile barrage to kill us ample experience with this as a barb main

[remote yarrow]

I bought a +2 all +2 weapon dmg pant for 90g Yesterday from npc. So yeah.

[glad horizon]

I think a +2 should be worth around 100 gold

[brazen finch]

How much new stuff been added since february open test?

[undone vine]

Anyone knows how to get the dark matter for the void blade?

[burnt violet]

i love that were a week into wipe and everybody already has best in slot items. all the traders sell greens for 35g-70g with +2 all or +3 weapon damage etc
i am watching people in trade chat desperately try and sell purples with insane rolls for 100g and nobody is buying it

[kind osprey]

sell crafting loot, big money

[flint canopy]

until they add rankings or some kind of implementation to level the playing field for players this game is going to die. The fact there is nothing stopping geared BIS players from being put into lobbies with gray players or people who have no real chance to compete is ridiculous and only fuels the ego of geared players who wont have to rely on skill

[meager atlas]

First thing they need to fix is buff bots meta. Stupid clerics and bards in trios

[burnt violet]

you cant even go into level 1-14 lobbies anymore without people having bis items because of merchants now..

[wispy ridge]

what is bis

[meager atlas]

1-14 lobbies were made with new players in mind. Not for people to keep making smurf to kill noobs

[burnt violet]

best in slot (BIS)

[glad horizon]

(butts in service)

[burnt violet]

i cant get over the fact somebody with a full legendary gearset with bad rolls loses to a guy in full green with good rolls, they need to tone down the rolls and make it so you can only get the high number rolls with purple/legendary, maybe blue.

[junior bane]

is it only me or y'all only run pre15 level with fresh character over again? to have fun?

[brazen finch]

tarkov

[tawdry inlet]

I played since playtest 2, the game in it's current state is the most unfun it's been for me personally, perhaps it was worse with bard/wizard/barb buffballs, not sure what I think. But it low key sucks now, I'm still playing though.

[flint canopy]

tarkov sucks for a million reasons but yea thats a huge reason why tarkov is a shit game

[burnt violet]

yes. playing in lvl 15+ just feels like high roller with how geared every single player is
pre15 level lobbies feels like the old days of this game when fights lasted more than a few seconds

[junior bane]

@burnt violet yeah i went from 14 to 15 and instantly faced a 139 health mage that one shoted me with a fireball. I think it wasn't that fun

[brazen finch]

Tarkov isn't shit, people play it a lot including me

[odd island]

Tarkov is in fact a shit game now a days

[flint canopy]

the tarkov average daily player amount is at the lowest it has ever been, the game sucks lol no one plays it anymore because its not fun

[burnt violet]

been here since the very first playtest when this game was bare minimum . i had so much fun with this game when nobody knew the metas or what they were doing lol.
i wish they would just tone down the damage of every single item in this entire game only against players that way you can still deal with PVE the same. I definitely think the game is in the worse state its been since its came out

[flint canopy]

and more than likely 25% of those daily players are chinese hacker bots

[brazen finch]

It's just you, people still play it.

[flint canopy]

the player count has gone from 240k daily to 130k within the past year, all the way down from 300k. The general consensus and trend is that the game is dying.

[brazen finch]

ok

[burnt violet]

i got 2 shot by curse of pain with from a warlock which didnt seem like too much of an interactive fight lmao.
its too easy to get to the point where your character has the ability to 1-2 shot others and thats not fun for anybody

[rotund pawn]

I wanna say this comes from the lich or ghost king

[arctic cove]

Guys the game is always going to be alive, there will always be 10k 'xiaou123' online at all times

[burnt violet]

wait i was reading that

[weak umbra]

dont forget about 5-10k "MMOTANK774", we have a strong playerbase with 20k daily players

?

[burnt violet]

split it into 2 messages haha

[weak umbra]

discord defeated him

[warm topaz]

This game gets bader and bader
bard nerved asfuck all class bad everone playing warlock

[blissful fern]

That happens to every game, at first it is really fun because nothing is figured out

[weak umbra]

bard is still good

[dull shale]

Yo that and all the barbs that are named things like 'afkwasdgfaw'

[weak umbra]

maybe ask a warden if he can send it for you @shy zealot

[shy zealot]

For those arguing for skill/gear based match making or those who do not understand the divide in the community over current balance.

Skill based matchmaking's goal is to pair players based on their skill. So high skill players play against high skill players and low skill players against low skill players. If this were implemented, then it would remove skill as a factor from every fight. Since all teams are matched based on skill the main difference would be gear and whoever has the best gear wins.

Gear based matchmaking's goal is to pair players based on their gear. So high_gear against high_gear, low_gear against low_gear. If this were implemented then it would remove gear as a factor from all PVP. Since every team has similar gear, then the only thing that would matter would be skill. Gearing up would only effect PVE since you would have the same PVP experience in starter gear as in full purples. It would also mean that low-gear high-skill players wouldn't have a chance to get better gear from low-skill high-gear players.

Dark and Darker works because both gear and player skill are randomly mixed. So while you get fights with low-skill low-gear vs high-skill high-gear, you also get high-skill low-gear vs low-skill high-gear fights which are the most fun for everyone. That RNG prevents the game from being stale for both extremely high skill players and extremely high gear players.

The reason that this system is not working right now is that there is a high disparity in gear attribute modifiers which is self reinforcing. Currently high-gear players are incentivized to visit low-gear dungeons because the gear attribute disparity means that they have very little risk of dying. They can easily farm gold from mobs and other players, while also collecting the occasional piece of good gear that low-gear players bring in. If they go to high-roller they risk losing their gear in exchange for the possibility of finding gear they can already buy with candy, or get in trade for gold which can more easily be farmed in normals. Low gear players are running into these teams and losing what gear they have built up requiring them to return to starter gear and start over.

However there is a divide among the community about this problem that seems to perplex both sides. I believe that it comes down to this:

• Server Location & Timezone/Playtimes: Different servers have different peak play times and different hours that high-gear players play. It is very likely that there are players who experience much less disparity because the players with high attribute gear play in different servers and/or at different hours.
• Friend Group Composition: A lot of the players who are doing well have cohesive teams who have played together for a long time and happen to play well at classes that work well together. A team of 3 players who are all best at wizard will likely have a harder time than a team who's members are individually best at a better team composition.
• Luck (lobby and merchant): While this seems nebulous it is not a factor that can be ignored. I know players who have much better luck than others in finding gear from the merchant, and finding lobbies without cape-death-squads.
• Player Skill: This one is obvious, players with more skill will be able to overcome a higher gear attribute disparity and feel this issue less. This is especially true when comparing players with 1000+ hours to those who have only a few dozen hours.

The solution to this current problem is to significantly lower the extremes of random modifiers that when stacked make gear significantly over perform. Which is the main cause of extreme gear disparity. Prevent certain attributes, like strength + physical power + damage from stacking on single items. And make lower tier gear (especially melee weapons) available more often and for cheaper from the merchants, allowing players to establish a higher baseline in their gear, and more easily recover from gear loss.

[shy zealot]

It didn't like me using the high/low - gear/skill so much lol had to switch it up to get it to let me send it.

[weak umbra]

this chat filter is so good

[junior bane]

imma be real i ain't reading all that But i agree with your last paragraph

[daring wedge]

lmao chat filter doing its best

[arctic cove]

Man the mob density literally ruins the game, who wants to spend 90% of the game PVE'ing. I know thats why I play dark and darker, to just kill the overly simplistic mob AI over and over again.

[weak umbra]

redditors

[uneven cedar]

I was just thinking that so much fun having to kill 9 mobs that some how got aggro'ed on to you by someone else before you can even fight lol

[arctic cove]

The devs said 'we found it too slow so we added stats back' like man you guys dont realize your the ones who made it slow by buffing mobs? Or by adding cleric/bard support?

[weak umbra]

the only good thing about mixing HR and normal maps is the castle, rest is just more mobs everywhere in every corridor

[arctic cove]

Gee fill up the game so much that ratting isnt viable for any class except rogue(who can run through mobs fast enough), I wonder why so many people are playing rogue?

[weak umbra]

maybe we will get an update today, something with reverting anything that they added

[exotic gust]

3 teamers in GC, can you ban people that do this

[weak umbra]

no

[arctic cove]

In new goblin caves everyone teams, if you dont you die

[glad horizon]

people would rather face pve then pvp unless they can team up against you to even the odds for themselves

[crisp ether]

what's item identification speed

[bleak lodge]

How much is demons glee selling for? (rapier)

[hollow valley]

that depends on the stats it has, otherwise it's like asking the price of a mercedes without specifying the model

[pearl summit]

or moreso ppl would rather pve because pvp is/has been grossly imbalanced the entire time

[bleak lodge]

• 3 weapon damage, + 2 all atts, + something else

[hollow valley]

at that point key plus id guess that's really nice, crop a screenshot and drop it on #rogue for a better price check, i'd craft that shit to use myself lol

[bleak lodge]

Aight ty

[arctic cove]

Games unironically dying 5/15 people for crypts after 3 minutes , yes its off peak but there was more people pre patch a week ago

Bring back playtest 2-3, delete goblin caves, ruins, warlock and bard!

[night oasis]

I 1000% agree! ^^^^^

[wispy ridge]

CIRCLE KILLING YOU INSTANLY AT END IS STILL STUPID IMO

[teal osprey]

how do u get blue pots now?

[raw talon]

It's like 7 am on a Tuesday lol what server are you even on

[arctic cove]

Did you fail to read the part where I said it wasnt like this a week ago?

[quasi orchid]

What should I be wearing as a ranger

[raw talon]

Yeah for the first few weeks of every game being released there will be no life's taking vacation. You got a singular dead lobby. I've been occasionally put in dead lobbies since EA started because I typically play games on low player hours for US

[dry stump]

next wipe cannot come fast enough I swear to the Lord above

[formal moon]

I mean, player count is dropping. IM is adding features to help casual players, but is just making them even worse off than before. You can't add something for timmies only, because it's gonna benefit chad 10x more

[remote yarrow]

You Had enough time and it is Well known that If the timer runs out you die.

If it would Just damage over time classes Like warlock and cleric could chill forever

[drifting hinge]

I feel circle time should be 15 min

[remote yarrow]

Nah Timer is fine. Extending them further would lead to Like 30 Minute Match If you do a hell run

[drifting hinge]

That if you only stay until end, you can just zone into hell sooner

[formal moon]

What IM failed to realize is lobby diversity has gone out the window due to solo/duo the short spike in player base has not been worth

[remote yarrow]

Wont start until the Last one left or died which could be 15min making you idle in between for 8 minutes when you take First red

[drifting hinge]

Why are you making it harder than it has to be, let the hell portals spawn sooner, easy solution

[remote yarrow]

The hell wont start until Crypt is closed, meaning everyone dead or extracted. You will sit in the idle room until next map launches. You ever used a Red Portal?

[drifting hinge]

No ways the devs could start change that you think?

[remote yarrow]

Well how will they do that? Just Launch hell when the First Team goes down? Then the Last Team will use a Red Portal and end Up with 8 minutes already passed

Where would they Spawn? Spawn rooms already in the zone

[dim echo]

is anyone getting this glitch where u cant remove weapon mastery even tho u dont have a non fighter weapon equiped?

[drifting hinge]

Hell portals could be open from 8 to 11 min in game

[remote yarrow]

So i Take the 8min Portal and sit in the idle room until the Last Person left at the 15 min mark via blue.

[drifting hinge]

I said 8 to 11 hell portals are open

[remote yarrow]

And then they Just Close? Thats a horrible Design idea.

[arctic cove]

The number of hackers now is insane, spectating people who can swing weapons through walls, like a barb could swing his warhammer in a tight corridor and it didnt bounce off walls. You can easily see people auto targeting through walls, theres still people range attacking from 10ft away and other people lag abusing to teleport 10 seconds back. I watched a ranger who when mobs got close was able to teleport them back 15ft as well as himself, seemed like a lag-rewind hack

[drifting hinge]

You are right, there is no fix to this, everything is bad and devs cant do it

[remote yarrow]

The devs maybe can, you cant

[drifting hinge]

Never said I could, I said I hope for 15 min, whats wrong with you

[sleek patio]

I love how the game is laggy now, unplayab

[frigid wing]

i just got the rollback bug again anybody else get it?

[arctic cove]

Servers so bad picklock doesnt even work, hit the red and it doesnt register lmao

[dry stump]

Make sure you don't have throwing knifes equipped or something like that

[drifting hinge]

Lockpicks never drops

[thick cradle]

why are bard allowed to use crossbows the big ones and spamm drumms with an insane dumb amount of dmg just got 2 tapped by 2 drumms as 50% armor cleric with 150hp

[arctic cove]

Idk ask yourself why would the devs put something like that in a hardcore extraction game

[candid geode]

im about to hardcore extract myself from this game

[weak umbra]

why wizards are allowed to use crossbow?

[subtle heart]

NERF WARLOCK FUCKING HELL WHAT IS THE COUNTERPLAY TO THAT CLASS

[weak umbra]

crossbow, just like for every other class

[frank hill]

adios

[brazen gust]

i feel you, gear is too strong rn

[frank hill]

i could say the same thing, but people always seeking attention.

good joke, i laughed.

[ebon marten]

you cant make a mmr system work in this kind of games for examplep people will sucide/disconect like in cycle frontier to lower mmr on purpose or make alts or new chars etc etc

[lunar scarab]

How much do golden keys go for?

[tropic torrent]

wow i bought gkeys at 1k now they are 2k? thats crazy

[random trellis]

how do you counter ranger?

[sullen sable]

This game has worse developers than league of legends, which is extremely sad. Aphelios was better planned than 110% of this game

[scenic hornet]

You play shield, pdr or wait for slow nerf xD

[brazen gust]

sure, thats a way arround the system, but not everyone is going to do it. it would be a overall better experience for the newcomers, although it might become boring for many people