faustian-bargain

[keen palm]

no shit none of us do

[pseudo cloak]

People only want it in hr literally to rat then ruin players runs

[keen palm]

but they'll likely add it and ruin HR

yep

[pseudo cloak]

Also stream sniping will become so much more common

[keen palm]

oh yes

[pseudo cloak]

🥲

[keen palm]

yk it's really ass because when I fight a streamer and kill them, then either I get called a sniper or then I get stream sniped on

[pseudo cloak]

Mhm

[keen palm]

lowkey fighting a streamer is always aids

even if they are loot pinatas, they just bring all rats along with them 🤣

[pseudo cloak]

Whenever I see a streamer In my lobby I get excited because it means loot pinata

LOL

[keen palm]

yep

[pseudo cloak]

😂 😂 😂

[keen palm]

most of them are ass

jontheboat

actual free kit every time

it's also wild how many kits and handouts these streamers get it's fucking insane

[pseudo cloak]

omg that guy keeps running down spawns and getting farmed on hr

[keen palm]

people legit irl trade gold and give it to their favorite streamer

[pseudo cloak]

seen him 3 times just circling ruins edge map hunting down people

[keen palm]

LMAO

he gets so much hand outs from irl traders so it doesn't matter

killed him in a like 100k gold kit this wipe when he got it given to him

[pseudo cloak]

gg atleast whenever its a streamer lobby i swear everyone in the lobby is running like full unqiues

[keen palm]

ye

if not game is like dead asf

[pseudo cloak]

every other game is rat and ratter

[keen palm]

ye

legit 3rd and 3rder everytime

kill a team, 10 seconds later a perfect third party is occurring

me and my teamate were top of our classes for duos leaderboards. he was #2 sorc and i was like #5 or #6 rogue idk i forgot

duos lowkey bumping but thirds are always happening lmao

everyone is also timmy so i lose money on running bis

[pseudo cloak]

holy hr ice cavern yesterday my team spawned walked foward and saw like 8 player bodys with 1 guy left

[keen palm]

fuck why does that never happen

to me

[pseudo cloak]

when it does you;ll be the last person left getting 3 man running you down

[keen palm]

always happens i swear

and they're always chinese

🥀

[pseudo cloak]

they need to rework the joining late stuff

[keen palm]

ye

they won't tho

[pseudo cloak]

sucks literally needing to watch your back all game

like i now open multiple doors and close my path sometimes now

[keen palm]

i lowkey needa start closing doors behind me it probably gets me killed

[pseudo cloak]

because its ridiculous getting ran down after a fight by a team that spawned where i did

[keen palm]

ye

game needs some improvements but it won't ever happen

especially ridding of the chinese cheaters from us west

every week i'm getting a few of them banned it's fucked up

omg and them teaming too holy shit

me and my duo had back to back them teaming on us

it was 2 squads in duos. we died to them teaming and loaded back in the next raid and killed both teams

sorc, cleric, boc lock, fighter i think

[reef osprey]

Same cheaters

[keen palm]

it was fucking bull shit that they can get away with teaming. report after report n they're untouched

[reef osprey]

I ran into them as well

Us west duos

Sorc and fighter

[keen palm]

if they're cheating they need new software

[reef osprey]

That was a week ago

[keen palm]

ye cheating problem is rapent on west

i mean i get they have only 130 employees but cmon (i'm being sarcastic)

[reef osprey]

They were just pre teaming

[keen palm]

ye

[reef osprey]

I’ve only ran into 2-3 cheaters

[keen palm]

just got someone banned yesterday perma so

chinese guy unironically

[reef osprey]

Idk how people are always running into cheaters

[keen palm]

DaZuoZhan ring any bells?

that's the guy I got banned yesterday

[reef osprey]

No

[keen palm]

ah

[reef osprey]

I don’t pay attention to the names

[keen palm]

they're all the same anyways

[reef osprey]

I just die and exit lobby

Yea some type of xiao

[keen palm]

ye

idk why they are allowed to pile onto our servers

it's lowkey dumb

[reef osprey]

It was great when they couldn’t

[keen palm]

ye now they can flood it lol

[reef osprey]

Forced servers

IM caters too much to the streamers

[keen palm]

omg yes

they do it's insane

only the partnered ones tho

[reef osprey]

The server selection only affected the streamers badly

[keen palm]

ye it did but still

[reef osprey]

Everyone else it was like oh well

[keen palm]

yep

that's ironmace tho

they've always been like that

[tribal kestrel]

do you guys use ur coins to buy things and if yes what's worth to buy? I found it better to just sell the coins the risk of getting bad rolls isnt worth it

[idle elk]

this is true until there are multiple of them coming at you in unison lol

every map but the water map its chill and fun

[carmine plover]

Same as in teaming fight. They should just remove having multiple of them on at once not nerf them even further in to the ground

[rough tulip]

usually any rare boss drops I get

[tribal kestrel]

cheaper to buy from market

sell the coins and buy

[dusk lynx]

Spectral fabric is cheaper to buy with Antiquated Coins than on the market :)

[timber shell]

I just buy legendary weapons and mob drops

[sick acorn]

So you can actually pvp? and not just mindlessly AP farm and boss, no one does pvp in HR meanwhile in normals I'll basically be fighting someone every room, You've got it wrong, only AP farming timmies play HR

Once ur demigod unless your running named theres no reason to play HR

[round crystal]

Doesn't matter tho since Troll pelts are still gatekept insanely.

40 coins for a troll pelt off Dealmaker, troll is harder to do than ever due to always active servers bringing 5-10+ people to troll room every raid + the goblins also trying to grief, but you can just buy a seasonal dlc pack and get your gold storage that way haha.

[tribal kestrel]

eh roughly the same

[dusk lynx]

It's the only thing that I know is profit atm, probably won't be for long since whenever there's money in something: There won't be for long once the market catches up. I always buy them with my extra coins personally

[tribal kestrel]

u can probably buy coins as storage tho almost 5k for 20coins 1 slotter

[outer light]

fartspray bargain

[patent laurel]

spiffer mommy is pure garbage, you need to pull some insane shit to get 5 dmg

[quasi kelp]

Just gas up the boss room

[rustic abyss]

Is faustian bargain enabled for HR now?

[solid veldt]

anyone else only get spider for bargain in gc?

[somber cargo]

remove faustian bargain for anything less than trios I say

[fluid fossil]

nope? fun to play mode, if you die by mob with wooden movment its on you

[somber cargo]

its annoying having goblin players camping troll when I am trying to do it? who said about dying. its to much grief for solo lobbies.

[fluid fossil]

well farming troll for free without risking is kind of bad. At least now its harder. Goblin cave bosses are to easy, and profit to high.

[somber cargo]

youre just talking shit. I shouldn't have to kill all the lobby then all the lobby coming back as goblins in solos lmao.

[fluid fossil]

its can't be full lobby its 4 slot max, you don't even know how you talking about 🙂 keep do your bosses, we win with you as mobs , skill diff happend again and you come here again to cry xd

[somber cargo]

I mean you dont win little boy even with goblin mage buff so keep camping that shit because you die so much you need to. You’re probably a scav main on tarkov too

[fluid fossil]

ohh you red lil boy 🙂 some goblin kill you as geared hahaha

what a sad story

of "warlord"

on discord channel

hahaha

[somber cargo]

I haven’t died to a goblin once in goblin caves. Just a nuisance

[fluid fossil]

im not wasting more time to speak with someone who lossing vs mobs . Leave this channel and be pathetic somewhere else

[fluid fossil]

this guy pretending haha, what a sad story haha

[somber cargo]

Imagine thinking you can kill me geared as a goblin you couldnt even kill me squire if you was geared

[somber cargo]

Keep playing as a goblin you know I have a feeling that is your spirit creature

[fluid fossil]

Thank God, the Sahara need water, this guy is producting a lot with he's tears haha

[bleak linden]

Lol

[somber cargo]

Yeah having an opinion on a game I actually play instead of dying instantly then failing to kill people as a goblin is really me crying. Lmao

[fluid fossil]

bro you have opinion about lossing vs mob as geared nolife, relax 😉 rly we don't need it here

[somber cargo]

Yeah ok timmy whatever you say

[fluid fossil]

you lossing by mob as geared and calls people timmy 🙂

well

ironic

[somber cargo]

Cant recall me saying I lost? But cope more Tim you’ll be able to extract once someday maybe

[brazen pollen]

Yo guys I just killed my friend as a goblin swordsman when he was running a bis kit lmaoooo

[fluid fossil]

change friend , you need them if they like this guy above you xd

[idle elk]

i mean the issue is more so the movespeed in the water everything else is fine

no other map has this issue except the water map where you cant get away from a faustin mob

i dont belive they should outpace a 325ms rouge or penguin in the water lol

[carmine plover]

if they lower their ms even more theyll never be able to hit anyone. again if the issue is dyiong when there are multiple then just remove having ingame teaming which is silly for faustian

[idle elk]

you cant tell me the movespeed in the water isnt rediculous

palyer gets 1/3 ms they get full

[carmine plover]

in a 1v1? no it is not. just fight them and you never lose. if teamed on then yes theres an issue

[idle elk]

and just walk in water

no swimming animation

[carmine plover]

you should never lose a 1v1 against one

[idle elk]

i mean if your running norms on a low pdr character and they sneak up to you there not much you can do even hit for hit lol

we can agree to disagree tho all good

[carmine plover]

base gear against a fuastian you win the trade by simple stat chech except for the miniboss ones

[idle elk]

i think you might just love the water faustin which i get its very strong but dont dismiss the fact they can kill you no problem in water if you dont see them coming

if im a base gear rouge and they headshot me from the back its gg's on axeman

not to mention they can just spectate you and see where you are then faustin

and there is no audio to tell when people are sneaking on you in water

[carmine plover]

its fun but thats not what i base my opinion on. it does in fact lose a 1v1 against every class if you dont believe me just go watch any decent player thats streaming and they will never die to one, pure farm

[idle elk]

i have watched people die multiple times to fuastin in water on spectate mode wdym XD

its objectively way stronger to faustin on water map than any other map

[carmine plover]

yeah random timmy are gonna die. as i said go tune into any decent streamer and you will not see them die to them, just free wins after wins

[idle elk]

ive been in a 1v1 water map and saw a faustin coming and i cant even reset cause they close the gap in like -10 seconds

[carmine plover]

sure because the other ones suck because of way worse pool. doesnt have any bearing on the balance convo tho

[idle elk]

yeah my point is the movespeed nothing else

on land no problem

[carmine plover]

and my point is you can stat check them like you can any other mob. you are heavily heavily favored by a mile. they only win if you perma run away or are already low

and you should also lose a fight if 3rd party by an equal skill normal player anyways

[idle elk]

all good i think we just hav different opinons on mob ms

[fluid fossil]

without ms they had no chance deal dmg on water map my man

[carmine plover]

yup. what do you want it like on land where you cant even touch someone?

either they can or cant catch a player. they already barely get the hit off lower it by much and its useless

[idle elk]

i mean look in druid chat and tell me that not ridiculous

just peep the movespeed

im fine with them being fast just not like sonic the hedgehog

[fluid fossil]

what you mean? people failing bcz can't just 2-3 autoatak to kill mob, they start run and getting like 10 hits, its their fail not the mob system problem

every time player actualy fighting, meybe get 1 max 2 hit If they some heavy plate and slow

people who just try run mostly getting hits

i have 52 aff and playing it a lot and thats the real experience

you can't catch rouge's or fast classes

mage/warlock killing you in 1 sek

[idle elk]

you literlly have over 2x any players speed thats my issue XD

moving like a HR nightmare skeleton in the water where they get 1/3 ms

[carmine plover]

Because they didn't fight. Like I said if you just perma run away while getting smacked by a class faster then you, you will die like any other thing in the game. If he turns around he wins. Also pirate swordsman has since been remove from the pool because people wouldn't just turn around so that's a non issue

[fluid fossil]

there is no mobs on hr its disabled

and its only on water map

just fight mobs and you can't lost

literaly can't

[carmine plover]

^

It is physically impossible to lose the 1v1 unless you miss every attack

You simply stat check them

Not even taking into account your weapons are better so you can avoid their attacks/block

[idle elk]

aight this is going nowhere im starting to believe yall biast casue your faustin enjoyers, yall finna argue thats its chill you can controll a shark as well i assume

1500hp 400ms shark cool as well?

[carmine plover]

Yeah minibosses are dumb. But again it is just a fact you dont lose the 1v1 ever if you've played more than 5 hours against the normal ones

The miniboses shouldnt be a thing that's obvious

[idle elk]

your assuming the situation is im full hp and see them coming

[fluid fossil]

actualy people grind this mode for minibosses, normal mobs are boring

withotu minibosses they should delete it

bcz to boring

immo

[idle elk]

ive been ganked by like 5 fuastins in one match that i assume are the people that i killed previously that get to hunt me down with 2x my movespeed for revenge when they already lost

[fluid fossil]

its max 3-4 depend of map it can't be even 5 supple

[carmine plover]

You should lose in that situation against a normal player of equal skill

[idle elk]

they are not a plater and its not a class

they died

[carmine plover]

If you were unaware and got jumped at low health you should die

[idle elk]

sure by like a real player with a real kit

not the person i killed 2 mins ago that has my excact location and can wait to 3rd party with insane ms

you can deadass just wait for someone to fight someone then swoop in for almost a guarenteed kill

[shadow pendant]

what mobs are you running into with 2x your move speed

[carmine plover]

That's just a complaint against faustian as a system then not that movment is op. If you dont like the mechanic that's fine but doesn't make it op/strong

[idle elk]

literally and faustin in the water my man

[shadow pendant]

use row boat

[idle elk]

but it is, my issue is straight up how fast they move and that you have no recourse if your post fight and needing to med

even if they were just slightly faster that would be fine but not that fast

[fluid fossil]

bro you can die same way just by player, you crying about dangerous in pvp/extraction game

[idle elk]

just nerf it like 20%ms and its all fine and dandy

[fluid fossil]

if you think anyone gona wait

for you full hp, full reset for fight

you are crazy

go pve then

if you don't want pvp i don't get it how someone can cry

about pvp

in pvp extraction like game

[idle elk]

brother yall missing the point straight up no worries imma stop wasting my breath

[fluid fossil]

"your breath" mean nothing

[carmine plover]

Same as rogue and druid no? Theyre faster and can force a fight.

[fluid fossil]

don't worry

[carmine plover]

If you get jumped from being unaware at low health you should die

[idle elk]

there is a signifiacnt difference on the water map with fuastin than any other map imma just leave it at that

[carmine plover]

Yeah because theyre useless on the other maps because its how you want it where they cant even touch players

[idle elk]

yall probs the ones to just go default kit die on purpose so you can run around and kill people as faustian

i get it its fun but take some critisicm my lord

[carmine plover]

Ran out of arguments so we go to insults

Ok then I'll do the same. You are getting skill diffed by basic mobs

This is a you issue

[shadow pendant]

what class you run

[idle elk]

i belive it started with your skill isue bs that you started spewing lol

i just cant phathom the fact yall dont see any issue at all with being able to outpace any player in the game

[shadow pendant]

what class do you run?

[idle elk]

warlock fighter druid wizard

[fluid fossil]

if you lossing this classes vs mobs you literaly should go pve bro xd

[shadow pendant]

okay, wiz is easy cause missles, my suggestion for the others would be to take a weapon with longer reach, ik when im on faustian if someone has a spear im toast, especially in water

[idle elk]

get a load of this guy'

[plucky hollow]

You lowk got a point don’t worry I hear you

[idle elk]

i got some faustin ride or dies over here

[carmine plover]

The trade off is you are awful in a fight and lose very easily. You can catch people but cant kill them if they push their buttons. If they lower ms to where you aren't faster than people you are now useless like on the other maps

[idle elk]

dude its not like a class its a fun mechanic post death idk why your acting like your main class is faustian lmao

[plucky hollow]

Your in the water at half the move speed against someone with a pretty good move set that’s hard to avoid with human awareness and a lot more mobility than a mob typically has, it’s pretty difficult to fight against.
I should not be wiping lobbies with 0 effort as a shark simple as

[carmine plover]

Haven't even played it in a week. I'm just not so bad that I lose to basic mobs. I've never died to a faustian mob other than getting third partied which is how it should be

[plucky hollow]

It’s more than basic mobs, the main issue is that you just can’t outrun majority of them, and they have human intellect behind them

[carmine plover]

We are arguing over basic mobs. I'm against the miniboses and hr that's dumb af

[idle elk]

brother im demi and main HR its not an issue i have ive died maybe once to a faustin axe after a fight and twice to a shark when i was questing that map is cheecks but insult all you want i was just simply trying to say my opinion and your just essentially spamming insults and skill isue

[carmine plover]

Specifically the pirate

[idle elk]

i was simply saying the ms is too fast like they are super fast and you just insit that im ass for thinking that its actually crazy

[carmine plover]

After like 30 minutes of arguing and then you started making it personal so I did to. Let's not try and gaslight and cry

[plucky hollow]

Well what mobs in particular does the argument stem from, where would you draw the line as to what shouldn’t be complained about and what should?

[carmine plover]

Just straight to the point. You shouldnt lose a 1v1 turn around. You die only if bad

Like really bad

[carmine plover]

We are talking about pirate move speed. You can read the convo above if you'd like

[idle elk]

i think this guy was the one that started insulting to lets not call this crying lol

[plucky hollow]

I don’t think you guys are either bad people, and are taking an argument over a video game a little too personal.
Your points aren’t probably gonna change eachothers minds

[idle elk]

people actually do just go in and purposly die to go faustin and your taking that mad personal XD

[carmine plover]

nah i said thats killing the game and should be adressed

make it need a player kill at least

[idle elk]

that is def a good solution

its so odd to get faustianed more than i pvp when there is no reward for killing the faustian

[carmine plover]

yeah after reset watching wizards sucide every game is just stupid af

[idle elk]

i didnt take it personall tell i got told skill isue and ect when i was just trying to prove my point sorry if i offended

[fluid fossil]

i hope they add more chances to subboss and new mobs, its to hard for get subboss immo

[idle elk]

anywho i watched this video and came here i dont really play the water map that much but was just observing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugH16njLCp0

[fluid fossil]

but they nerf it

and its not possible to spawn it anymore

are you even play the game? xd

or just came here to cry bcz need attancion? its looks like it

[carmine plover]

Its been remove for awhile

Like a week or 2

[idle elk]

this guys big man and no i didnt know they removed that lol

[idle elk]

IRL loser alert

tryna be a big guy like your not posted up in mommys basement and sounds like all you do is faustin go play the real game bud

[fluid fossil]

this guy is clueless, came here to cry after lossing vs mobs with wooden 1 autoatack xd

just ignor him guys, there is no reasson we should waste time and energy for this

low value

crybaby

[idle elk]

your the one thats bitching XD

you know you like dont have to lurk here to be toxic i was never talking to you

anyways imma just block ya cause your clearly to dumb to do the same since your clearly so annoyed that im discussing faustian in the faustian chat lmao

[fluid fossil]

literaly everyone says you wrong

and you keep crying

you are some mental problem?

go to psychologist

get pills

its something wrong with you

lil bro

[idle elk]

this guys so angry probs not alot going on in real life

anyways ez block bye bye little guy

[fluid fossil]

let him be delusional guys, he have some mental problems ;/

sad view

[keen palm]

Well, I don't wear purple unders a lot most of my kits have at least a few legs with a unique so playing normals is just super mid. you're only gonna get some decent loot and occasional timmy stomper kits but why would I care for that XD. Sure it'll have more pvp but the range of higher end loot is just awful. Also, you can't compete for leaderboards in normals which is what my friends and myself do. We are consistently top 5 for our specific class in Duos or Trios.

It'll definitely have a lot more players but I'm not interested in timmy stomping it's really boring tbh. I need to get some hard fights to improve my game style and overall skills. I'm not going to get a grasp for that when I'm hunting down people with 10 hours on the game 🤣

[sick acorn]

Bro is a stalker crazy work

[sick acorn]

I only wear purples so that I can play normals, because HR I will see another player every 3 games and theres a 95% chance I have to play door and doorer for the next 30 minutes, i just cba, It's not like I'm poor, I could easily afford better gear I just don't want to play 6 player highroller

[keen palm]

There is plenty of people in HR but sure I guess. Normals is just timmy stomping every raid and not that much loot potential. You'll never get artifacts playing normals which for many players is a huge way to either make gold or to run a really nice kit with. If you get satisfied from just timmy stomping, I guess continue to do it.

[mint schooner]

I only play HR just because of faustian-bargian. Trying to do anything in normals especially goblin caves and just being ran down by an endless swarm of goblins after killing like 1 team is so terrible. HR might have less pvp but at least im not dealing with 10 extra goblins chasing me around

[keen palm]

"No HR PvP" Gets 5 back to back lobbies filled of people in trios

[plush niche]

What affinity is it that you get the discounts on dealmaker?

[fluid fossil]

what you mean?

[plush niche]

at certain affinity his items get cheaper.

I just don't know at what affinity that happens.

[harsh trout]

i don't think thats the case

[woeful plank]

you need 75 rep to get to friendly status, and you get a whopping one coin discount on jewelry items at that affinity

[novel merlin]

Accurate. Also whats up @plush niche

[fluid fossil]

i think its not work this way i have 52 afm and don't see any differences with price's

[dusk lynx]

Read just a couple of messages above yours

[patent laurel]

faustian bargain is only spiffer mommy now

[dusk lynx]

After 18 reputation with the vendor, spider mummy is on your table and it's weighted very heavily for some reason. I recommend switching to the water map and using pirates instead of goblins

[carmine plover]

75 you get positive relations

Its a slight discount on items no bearing on the mob pool that I know of

[patent laurel]

damn literally every single time is spiffer

[dusk lynx]

Play water map, no spiffer

[plush niche]

Thanks, I noticed the discount but wasn’t sure when it had changed

[plush niche]

Hi

[fluid fossil]

didnt know ,thx !

[weak cosmos]

Well if you make it past 25 reputation you start getting goblings again on GC

[shell juniper]

if i spawn as a spider one more fucking time im uninstalling

how is levelling up to the spider a reward?

literally 95% chance to spawn as a spider, first 2 games u get goblins and then its spiders from there on out

on water map with 21 affinity i have spawned 8/9 times as a skeleton in the prison

[weak cosmos]

just go there, kill all of them and then die xD

[shell juniper]

u wont believe what i got in my 1/9 bargain

a crab

21 affinity my ass

[shell juniper]

not wrong

[unkempt grotto]

you need 24/25 to make water playable

[shell juniper]

what do i do

on ruins its only slimes

how is this a reward

id wish to stick with basic goblins in GC but no

[unkempt grotto]

get a friend to help with the quest

[valid shuttle]

kill the skeletons in prison then?

[unkempt grotto]

spend 10 minutes killing skeletons and everyone is gone

waste of time

[gaunt fulcrum]

wild how bad some of these water map spawns are. Its one thing to spawn underwater and have to deal with the slow ass movement at the start, but another entirely to spawn on that outer skele jail spawn on the edge of the map

takes so long to get anywhere from that spawn

and I just wanna break boxes lmao

[tall bluff]

Lowkey im happy with my 5 affinity ok gc i get goblins and nothing else

[analog stone]

The spawn already up in the jail is lowkey one of the best spawns because you get to easily eliminate a bunch of the potential faustian bargain skeletons

[rough tulip]

oh lawd Adjusted the Max Health, Movement Speed, and Action Speed balance for all Faustian monsters.

how much yall wanna bet this is gonna be an extreme nerf

[weak cosmos]

"The affinity requirement for the Spider Mummy in Faustian Bargain has been reduced. (18 → 0)"
SPIFFER MUMY PRISON HAS BEEN BANISHED!

[upper bane]

plz tell me they will put back the FB in HR

[patent laurel]

so spiffer mommy is finally over

[timber shell]

no its still there you get it sooner now though

[weak cosmos]

no, sadly not HR faustian yet

[woeful plank]

no more lobby wipes on water map with skelly champ, it was a good run

[tribal kestrel]

My condolences to all the spider mummy mains

[oak badger]

i got all 3 quests done most resets with less than 15 games total with spider mummy. Not saying it wasn't inconvenient but it was doable

[bright raptor]

Can someone send me a link with the affinity spreadsheet

I can’t seem to find it

I got it nvm

[mellow fjord]

Seems to be the end of pinguin squashing

[harsh trout]

It was easier than people made out tbh. Jump attack works fine

[ruby wind]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth, attempting to insult me, and showing your true colors.

[ruby wind]

Thank god.

[dusk lynx]

Gone are the days of out swimming penguins as pirate :(

[slow phoenix]

the people who fustian sharks on water maps are freaks!!!

[carmine plover]

Anyone that plays it wanna let me know how the changes are

[mighty pecan]

f useless dev team put the unique usable mobs to the ground and buff so few the trash that was 95% mobs, but the buff is so miserable now they are all trash less elites

great

useless like always, idk why i was expecting something

before you could hv fun with 3-4 mobs and elites, now you can only hv fun with elites, sure good balance

[fluid oak]

What mobs did they nerf?

[mighty pecan]

skelly white run more fast but hv less life so xd, they swin super slor

pirates movesslower on ground and way slowerr on water so f useless

globlin move slower too

etc

some bufs but not sufficient

red goblin hv the speed of old green seems

but meh

[carmine plover]

Bruh not surprised but damn

To many cry babies ruin anything fun added. Anyone with half a brain was no diffing every non miniboss mob

[mighty pecan]

i mena idnt care they nerf a bit the things are strong but let me hv fun with the rest of mobs then

[gaunt tiger]

the nerf is unplayable now how am i going to do my dailies now

[mighty pecan]

skellys are great with more speed but they die on 2 hits

they reduced much the hp

they cant do a 1 thnig good

skellys only needed the buff speed, not any nerf, rlly they dont play the f game, always the same

i will like see the devs tryng this new bargains xd

[carmine plover]

Yeah id love to see them grind it out and see how they feel it is. Would make for a fun stream

[mighty pecan]

any player who play the game near everyday wil balance better xd

[idle elk]

well they changes the water movement speed huza

[carmine plover]

As expected. They be nerfing off of the most crying as of late. Gutted druid over and over while rogue still dominates in high gear. Leave faustian as a grinding mess and nerf the only good parts.

You apparently cant say "whin. Ers". It deleted my message

[idle elk]

yeah actually wild that rogue only got 1 slight nerf

[next pewter]

The throwing knife nerf is pretty big, the 5% change to dagger mastery means almost nothing though.

[harsh trout]

they basically killed water map faustian...moving from place to place is awful

[knotty crow]

wolf lower speed. Skeles higher speed and sometimes ability to extend attack range by jumping. Just the things ive tested already

May be more

[woeful plank]

nerfed the faust too hard

[plain pier]

Has the Faustian been reenabled in HR yet? Has anyone checked?

[flint osprey]

Doubt they would enable without any mention in patch notes

I'd expect them to not enable it whole wipe personally.

[unborn sail]

Man they actually ruined Faustian. There's 0 fun to be had using the system now. Very dissapointing

[knotty crow]

skeltons are decent now actually

[mighty pecan]

well but die from 2 hits xd, useless even if are faster

[glacial night]

If you are doing 500 damage faust quest every day you need help

[mighty pecan]

bro the shark is more slow xdd

jajajajajaja

even the rare ones they nerf

f useless xd

and hv 25% of his life

they reduced too muxh xdd

wtf ahahahahahahaha

nah this is stupid, devs are just stupids, srry if get ban but bro xd

sharks move likes a player speed on water jajaja

[fluid fossil]

so the patch is literaly killd this mode? with slow?

[mighty pecan]

i mean im ok to hv shark with less hp but dnt nerfs the speeds jaja+

no one on dev team play the game 100% confirmed

[mighty pecan]

i was with shark and just close the game, just imagine

[fluid fossil]

they say shark not get nerf, only human based like mobs

[harsh trout]

they made skeletons like 25% better but nerfed everything else by 75%

water map is totally intolerable now. movement is a crawl, you can't +shift swim or use the boats as a monster so you're just hosed

[fluid fossil]

this literaly nerf hp that hard i play subboss with mob hp

its discusting, they should remove this faustian if they nerfing it to ground

stupid devs

and rouge still op

nerfs mean nothing

[tall bluff]

Great these devs make 1 good change and then ruin everything

[mighty pecan]

they lied, i played it and moves way slower and hv so few hp

[torn vapor]

does someone want to do the quest with me?

[mighty pecan]

sharks moves now like a pirate or player on water, so slow it made me exit game without finish game

[harsh trout]

yea, they basically made water map unplayable for faustian, RIP

[mighty pecan]

and goblin too, al maps

goblins are so slow now xd

there is no map good xd

I think they cover their eyes and throw a roulette wheel

[plush niche]

I didn't realize players swim at 30 ms in water.

[dusk lynx]

Antiquated coins will have a serious price jump if they become substantially more difficult to get

[mighty pecan]

then you just snipe with a friend and dnt gety fun

the worst choice

playing dont getting fun

[plush niche]

it should just be 25x, 75x, and 100x Damage.

500 is shit with the mobs they give us.

[dusk lynx]

Sniping your friends (or anyone for that matter) in solos for ANY reason is technically bannable so I would snipe my friends with a modicum of caution

[mighty pecan]

just imagine what im makes us to do

i hate do that, prefer having fun while completing quest

[dusk lynx]

I had fun being a water demon but I'll have to find alternatives

[bleak linden]

Are you joking I got to shark for the first time yesterday its the only way to do the 500 dmg quest

[mighty pecan]

i hope i was

[mighty pecan]

well i did it easy with axe pirates but now unique decent mob is goblin red sword i thnk

i mean with this nerfs they could put bargarain on hr xd

[bleak linden]

True maybe thats the plan. I got fudged by bargain in hr early season I didnt even know bargain was a thing XD was like they turbo juiced the ai Holy

[torn vapor]

anyone wants to do faustian bargain leveling?

[halcyon warren]

ablity make everythink you touch not fun and sht is amazyng)

rip faustian

[gaunt fulcrum]

holy shit the over nerf on water ms for mobs

thats wild

[outer light]

nerf and nerfer

[gaunt fulcrum]

welp, rip to the blue maelstrom

them thinking that ms is anywhere near how fast players move in the water is WILD

like do you even play your own game?

ayo but they fixed goblin caves? I can actually play goblins and centipede now

[mellow fjord]

centipede.. run away simulator

[somber cargo]

😢

[mellow fjord]

if u dont spawn as a crab or shark u can dirctly leave the game 😛

dumb and dumber

[unborn ermine]

kinda crazy to me that great white shark faustian now gets 3 tapped by rogues and fighters....

[pseudo bay]

Water map is burnt, it's basically unplayable for faustian, how do they come up with these changes

[mellow fjord]

gj @sdf for ruinning faustian

[unborn ermine]

literally had a fighter tank test me and i didnt miss a bite, but did 42 dmg to him before he killed my full hp shark LOL

[pseudo bay]

Pirate swimming speed was a bit ridiculous but surely there's a middle way between underwater ownage and being a barrel that dies in 2 shots

[mellow fjord]

500dmg without cheesing with a teammate? nope

[idle elk]

i agree i was pressed in this chat for a MS nerf in water but like this aint even fun anymore

the devs 100% dont even play this game anymore

they just be buffing and nerfing with no intent just changing things like they are rolling a wheel

[mellow fjord]

dont forget Arc Raider playtest coming out today

[gaunt fulcrum]

at least gc feels good now I guess

getting skele warlord is nice in confined spaces

[woeful plank]

yea the nerfs always go too hard, this is absurd

[gaunt fulcrum]

welp

guess im glad I got to 75 before the nerfs

im not gonna be playing faustian for anything more then the first two quests at this point, way too painful to try and rack up 500 damage in a reasonable timeframe now

[harsh trout]

its really crazy how they have absolutely no pulse on their game

shocking tbh

they add a fun new mechanic...eliminate the fun after a few weeks

[gaunt fulcrum]

I just love the wording

"Land-based monsters now move slower in water, matching player movement speed."

BS

[harsh trout]

they could've easily added a debuff that occurs when you swing for x amount of time so your combat speed wasn't overpowered but you could still move around the map without wanting to blow your brains out

antiquated coins already up over 10%

[tired cypress]

Can you buy gold storage of any sort with antiquated coins (from dealmaker)?

[harsh trout]

antiquated coins are gold storage...

each 1 slot stack holds 5200 gold

[charred bobcat]

so did they nerf all the good mobs AND reduce the spawnrate for the ones they didn't nerf? 94 affinity and i'm stuck with zombies, kobolds and white skeletons

[hoary cosmos]

i just dont understand ironmace. why add new fun feature and make it unplayable and miserable as daily quest

[woven marlin]

Great job IM! Faustian is officially dead. Sharks are bad, pirates swim at max speed as fast as players not pressing shift and goblins swordsman are so slow that you can't touch players.

Basically, only chance to do faustian quests now is to go around the map looking for timmies who have their face in a chest.

IM stands for IncoMpetence. Never testing their own features...

[woven marlin]

What do you mean shocking? It's always been like this. It is so obvious they do not test their changes. They just throw them out there and hope it's good.

[round crystal]

They don't playtest. If they did, they would have realized the water map was awful. They were so desperate to put out new content because they've done nothing in the past couple years, they didn't even consider people wouldn't like slow motion combat and 110 movespeed in the water lmfao.

[rough tulip]

this game and its sweats take it TOO serious, any light fun mechanic will never survive with a community/devs like this

[round crystal]

It took them a single day to add in the fast swimming.

That's all I need to know they don't playtest.

[rough tulip]

they don't respect player time, just imagine thinking anyone wants to grind exp to potentially become a mob that moves at a snail pace. Let alone if u spawn as a mob in a trapped room you can't even get out of. Idk why I keep giving this game a chance honestly lol

[fierce badger]

Yall seen the Faustina bargain in arena bug??

Lmaaao ts is soo funny.

[weak cosmos]

it's sad what they did to the gobling warrior

spiffer mummy is like 10 times better than regular gobling

[harsh trout]

Crazy

[charred bobcat]

wolves are worse, they went and crushed its spine with a war maul 😭

[tired cypress]

They released it in a strong state
They nerfed it into an unplayable state
They will change it again in a week or two. It's always like this

[charred bobcat]

give us boss spawns to make up for what was taken from us, let me nuke rooms as gk

[indigo carbon]

Wtf with the movement speed with the mobs in the Faustinian Bargain mode? Why nerf the movement speed to the point is insufferable to even control a mob? Why do you have always go from 0 to 100? Fisrt is broken as foock and now is basically garbage....

I wonder how much testing this people actually do around these things because I just can't understand how someone thougth playing as a mob was going to be fun when you can't even swim to chase players.

[next pewter]

We are the testing

[woeful plank]

I'm at 84 rep and can't be bothered to do the dailies any longer. The pace of the game is too slow. I move slower than the baby turtles on the water map. The movement speed allowed us to get close to players, and players with even a few hours knew how to deal with mobs. Now I see a team and they have moved on to another module by the time I get there. Go to ruins and get a skelly that gets one tapped by mika vista or two-tapped by a druid with a spear. Season 7 feature nerfed into the ground.

[carmine plover]

Yeah just not worth it to play. If you get a ticket just leave anyways

Knew since day 1 it was going to go this way

[woven marlin]

Yep, we are the lab rats. They just push the changes, fingers crossed, they do a quick hotfix if there is something game breaking. And then let us suffer through bad changes till next patch... If they deem it worth changing

[karmic sigil]

True damage needs to be reduced. Almost makes armor pointless

[harsh trout]

they do zero testing and they have no overarching design methodology or planning

if you made these changes and then tested it in a single game you'd see how infuriatingly slow movement is under water

they're just randomly spinning knobs and hoping it makes things better for some reason

[bleak linden]

What is it

[fluid fossil]

Faustian is so unplayable and sht after nerfs idk

@pliant bay @storm radish WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? YOU insulting people who grind this new feature and make it unfun unplayable and pointless. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL?

[gaunt tiger]

rep 55 here faustian use to be the highlight for something you gotta grind out daily but now its unplayable and the quests? dear god they gut everything about this mode and leave the quests unchanged?? 100dmg feels impossible to get let alone 500 im barely able to get to 100. water map is unplayable either you get a pirate that moves slower than a player shift walking backwards not to mention finding players is hard enough, goblin cave consist of 95% spider mummy which is horrible yay movement but you do -2dmg cause all you can hit are the toes and you die if someone sneezes on you, frost mountain why why why did you nerf the kobald movespeed they were garbage to begin with, and forgotten castle consist of skeletons and i wanna say the only good thing they buffed was the speed of skeletons but they half the hp so i just get one shotted all the time. now idk about all the sub bosses i just know shark is ass and i can only assume the worse for the others

[bleak linden]

Buff

[fluid fossil]

i hit 2 time with goblin archer and deal's 14dmg... WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[drowsy edge]

took me a while to unlock pirates played em like 2 games now they are trash :/

[bleak linden]

[fluid fossil]

@pliant bay Why you make unplayable the best feature added this seasson?

[carmine plover]

Anything new and fun will get gutted from the cry babies. Shouldnt be surprised.

Can't have nice things

[unborn ermine]

has any1 confirmed if there is a faustian affinity that gets u better deals eventually

like when using the coins on her

[fierce badger]

omg i got faustian bargain in arena! lol its like ihad 2 lives so funny. made winning so easy!

[errant timber]

does anybody know why sometimes you get faustian bargain and sometimes you don't in normals??

[mellow fjord]

mostly because to many lads activate bargain

[velvet hazel]

@pliant bay Don't ignore him ⏱️

[willow iron]

why does the bargain feel so bad, right now, like i get killed nearly instantly, and im slow as heck

[white granite]

classic ironmace introducing a "test" feature and makes it absolutely unplayable

[gaunt fulcrum]

man I think im actually just done with this game until faustian gets brought back to a playable state

teaming is still a rampent issue, ratting is still the best strat, and honestly the only real fun I've been having since the wipe was playing as mobs

at least when mobs were still fun I could jump on a Faustian or two to get a change of pace from the monotony that is trying to have fun in this game

[woven marlin]

RIP faustian. It was fun while it lasted but I'm not grinding this crap when my only chance of finishing quests is hunting for timmies who stare at chests or teaming on purpose.

Sharks are faster if you spam attack, pirates barely move in water, goblins slowed down considerably so I can't even touch players.

It's so obvious IM does not test patches. It took me 10 minutes to realize they over nerfed. 😕

[charred bobcat]

Has anyone tested the spawns? Pretty sure they fucked them too

2 days of white skeletons and zombies at >90 affinity

[plush niche]

75x Affinity you get a small discount.

[charred bobcat]

Even centipede got nerfed wtf is this bro 😭

[thorny latch]

It was waaay too op, u couldnt one shot it in squire gear😢

[rough tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-suffer-suffering-sad-sad-quotes-gif-14270258133567956444

[plain pier]

Buff Faustian Bargain

[mighty pecan]

strong? only 4 normal mobs and elites were decent, the resty were f trash, now all is trash, they dnt know how balance xd

[solemn summit]

please.

[woeful plank]

Legendary jewelry should be one coin at 75 affinity if you make us grind through the miserable state of this mode.

[woven marlin]

They balanced faustian such that timmies have a good chance against veterans playing mobs...

I thought it was brilliant that they had us test the feature by offering good reward, but now I'm starting to think they are clueless and it was just a random moment of genius

[bleak linden]

I've given up on the quests until buffs. I know they are good rewards but it's not worth

[unborn ermine]

@plush niche I have 80 affinity and it still says “neutral”

[harsh trout]

this

[trail citrus]

Faustian Bargain is a terrible gameplay loop for an extraction looter game. Change my mind

[woven marlin]

I think it's a great idea. It brings a bit of extra spice to the dungeon. I didn't mind fighting the player mobs (maybe except for water map)

[trail citrus]

“I think it’s good because I like it” isn’t an argument

[woven marlin]

I agree

[trail citrus]

Then why bother responding to me when I’m looking for real discussion? There are plenty who like it and just as many who don’t

[woven marlin]

Well try to continue the discussion if you want it so bad 😅 what do you not like about it?

[trail citrus]

Faustian Bargain is a terrible gameplay loop for an extraction looter game. Change my mind

[valid shuttle]

this is basically just a really early concept of a scav system like tarkov has :) its not bad

[bleak linden]

Buff it its useless now

[tired cypress]

I have like 7 affinity maybe. I only ever hit the purple button when I feel like trolling a bit
It’s been good for a laugh for sure but I wouldn’t grind it

[plush niche]

Well yours is bugged, unsure if I there’s a fix.

[patent laurel]

well faustian bargain is hard now with the move penalty

[gaunt fulcrum]

No you

[plush niche]

It's not hard, it's near impossible. A full plate fighter with a weapon out can walk away from you.

[weak cosmos]

How are my spiffer mummy enjoyers?

[weak cosmos]

Listen the thing now is that you actually have to plan your gameplay, like going around turning off lamps, camping corners, yeah you won't be able to do 100dmg per match to complete the quest but you also won't grief too much the people actually playing the game

Also the will continue tweaking the numbers for Faustian cuz they already said the end goal is for it to be a Gamemode, in my opinion It will be the same queue as regular dungeon but instead of going in to kamikaze yourself after killing 6 mobs you just spawn as a mob, and maybe get like 3 tries, or like you can decide which move to posses

Well mothertrucker ofc that doesn't works on the water map. It's the stupid waffles and pancakes thing

[timber shell]

stuck in the walls

[weak cosmos]

Stuck in the ceiling on GC xD

[fierce badger]

if you get spider mummy break the pot and attack the other spiders so your next FB doesnt be another spider there

[weak cosmos]

What if you have only 1 token?

[bleak linden]

Insert token

[idle elk]

what makes you get more tokens?

cause i killed 5 players and only had 1 bargin

[plush niche]

They need to change the final quest to 200x Damage.

[carmine plover]

Anything that's xp. Mobs barrels and chests are usually easiest. Loot itself doesn't give you xp until you escape so it doesn't count

[harsh trout]

They sure did ruin this feature quickly.

[halcyon minnow]

Shark and centipede die in 3 hits lol never mind how slow they made everything

They made it basically impossible to do the quests lol unless you find someone you'll let you smack em

[mighty pecan]

i hv 93 and say friendly xd

[unborn ermine]

Goblins with goblin mage are still decent for Faustian farming

[pseudo bay]

It's a shitshow, if you run into people that aren't total timmies you can't get 1 dmg in

When you're stuck on white skeles and goblins

Anyone who doesn't drool while thinking can weave in attacks

This hurts new players as well

[crystal zephyr]

why spawn faustian bargain outsid of circle on 30 seconds left silly -= spawn within circle

[harsh trout]

coins are up 20% in price since the patch

[inland sphinx]

it feels so bad faustian now

i hit 78 b4 patch

doing it now feels like a chore when it was fun

they GUTTED it not nerfed it

[pseudo bay]

It's more than a chore, it's pure frustration

[inland sphinx]

going 100ms on pirate in water is pure struggle

ik they want you to like sit where u spawn but i dont wanna pray some1 comes to my spawn

it is faster as axe pirate to spam left click underwater now than it is to swim

[valid shuttle]

yeah people complained that they couldnt fight the mobs so they nerfed it :(

[inland sphinx]

they did not nerf it

it's gutted

[tall bluff]

faustian bargain was fun and kinda balanced now it's just boring and not worth it at all can't even kill a timmie with a goblin anymore

[inland sphinx]

can't even damage a timmy with goblin anymore, FTFY

[harsh trout]

ya, player controlled mobs are actually weaker than regular ones now rip

[ancient river]

Real glad they decided to add another feature that is a balancing nightmare

[carmine plover]

It was balanced. It was fun and wasn't strong or that influential. Was perfect

But some people cant fight pve

[drifting thunder]

whats the go to map at 48 rep right now after the nerfs?

[shadow pendant]

arc raiders

[drifting thunder]

tried it, didn't care for the gunplay/3rd person

[shadow pendant]

something else then, cause faustian chalked after the nerfs

[harsh trout]

💯

[ancient river]

How was the swim speed for some mobs balanced? How was goblin warrior jump attack balanced? And yeah for new players imagine having to throw everything you know about dodging something out the window. Like any of the sub bosses were genuinely just dumb to fight against if you didn't just cheese it

[carmine plover]

If you turn around and fight them you win 100% of the time. You can easily just face tank and stat check them without even using any skill. I do agree minibosses shouldnt have been a thing but that's obvious. To the new player comment imma be honest and say massive skill issue if youre dying to basic bombs. Its still just a pve basic mob, shouldnt take you more than a few minutes to figure out. They will figure it out in a few games its not hard just press s when they attack and then attack back and you win every time

[ancient river]

Yeah if you turn around and fight any of the normal onces I agree it was pretty fair and balanced. It was mainly pirates in the water moving at like 3x the speed. And sub bosses just being able to walk you down, I do think they went too hard on it but it definitely wasn't balanced before atleast with goblin warrior you gotta admit the jump attack was cooked. I was killing geared people with it is all im saying, shouldnt have been the case

[zenith quail]

Goblin warrior and pirates in the water were easily the best mobs by a landslide and it wasn't even close (Not including the minibosses.)

The overwhelming majority of the mobs however were pretty terrible. This is my first time playing faustian post nerf as I just got back from a break on the game, and this is miserable. Kobolds were already one of the worst, this just makes them pathetic.

[hearty iris]

Frost Skeleton Axeman is definitely among the low ones. Terrible recovery period on a miss

[plush niche]

Hell yeah

[charred bobcat]

could they not have atleast made skele/goblin archer and bola have a crosshair? or something to tell us where the arrow will go

like it's great that we can see the arc after firing. but we have to wait for the firing animation to end then wait even longer to return to the default animation before being able to move and get 2 shot

[zenith quail]

LMAO I just tried pirates. You are a literal snail in the water now. Insane.

[wary spruce]

faustian officially dead now

RIP

it was fun while it lasted but now there's no point playing anymore

[bleak linden]

Thank you kind trio for letting me bola you as you camp fire

[jade salmon]

good riddance

[woven marlin]

They 100% didn't test. They said swim speed should match players. However: pirate max swim speed is player min speed (without pressing shift) and when you press shift... well you just move even slower.

IM stands for IncoMpetence

[plush niche]

I wonder how much time was spent on making the Faustian Mechanic.

[valid shuttle]

just dont miss

[hearty iris]

Unfortunately, hitting a door (to crush it) also counts as missing, making you slower than most at that too

[agile vessel]

We don't want to read things like that. Please read the rules.

[woven marlin]

This is new to me. Are you referring to rule 1?

[agile vessel]

1 and 2.

[woven marlin]

In all my years I've never seen anyone be called out for pointing IM lack of professionalism. I've called it out dozens of times and I've even discussed it with other members of the discord. It's just common practice to test features in games (and software in general) before pushing them to clients.

The opinion I have just stated is basically consensus among the player base and content creators. Even great leader sdf himself accepted the "cooking monkey" meme and stated in his "kitchen" posts that they are not good at making games.

Am I wrong to express my frustration to people who understand it and share it?

[agile vessel]

I'm not going to discuss this with you. And understanding jokes does not mean that you are allowed to insult someone. 👍

[woven marlin]

Fair, but I have to point out that I didn't insult anyone. It seems to me that most of the player base considers Ironmace (the company, not someone) to be incompetent. Incompetent = not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully (from the dictionary).

It upsets me that you are coming after me for this when the tavern is most of the time full of people insulting each other and much worse.

Anyway, sorry for taking your time and have a good day.

[agile vessel]

If you see people breaking the rules, please feel free to report it to us.

#discord-help

[main timber]

Why does this channel exist

[plain pier]

Discussing Faustian Bargain but sadly Faustian got nerfed a bit too much imo :(

[severe relic]

Faustian is great it has no flaws. Praise be to the feature and hopes of many more flawless features to follow

[main timber]

Remember when we thought religion was gonna be some crazy system where we hunt down other religion members

[woven marlin]

Yep, I also remember how I thought "It's just the beginning, they will probably follow up with some crazy updates" 😅 silly me

[main timber]

Season 7 of early access

[patent laurel]

faustian bargain is so fun now, it makes you wanna enjoy this mechanic more. I love not being able to catch anyone and just get smacked for no reward.

[harsh trout]

for us to all be sad about how badly the nerfed it

[white granite]

amen

[stiff patrol]

This time, I'll play only as a monster

[round crystal]

Bro lmfao

We don't want to be called out for not playtesting, please don't say our game doesn't feel playtested.

[pseudo bay]

I'm playtesting 5 games in a row with 0 damage cause everyone outranges me for auto-win

It's just ridiculous how borked faustian is now

[round crystal]

Shutting down game discussion because it struck a nerve huh.

[severe relic]

I love Faustian I have no criticism 😅

[harsh trout]

they're just wardens not like they h ave any actual power

ya i mean its EXTREMELY obviously IM did minimal to zero playtesting. calling that out isn't "insulting" anyone but simply stating a fact

[pseudo bay]

They have the power to shut you up

[harsh trout]

yes, mods can always abuse their powers. his statement didn't break any rules unless you interpret criticism as an insult which again is absurd

[bleak linden]

wildform?

[bleak linden]

it was his lil pun obv

thank you trio for letting me get 500 dmg on you as you sat at campfire

[harsh trout]

the only way to do the quest these days 😛

[bleak linden]

and now they made it so i cant go solo faustian in trios anymore? how hard does this have to be sfd

[severe relic]

good riddance tbh. people queueing in solo just to instadie messed with what the game was supposed to be.

[torn vapor]

guys how do i level faustian bargain, mobs seem so slow

[lucid wagon]

You should have leveled them when it was worth it. I wouldn’t recommend it now.

[round crystal]

You're pretty well screwed now, just wait until they update it or try to find people willing to give you free damage.

SDF said in his kitchen he wants to make it work, even turn it into it's own playlist where you can queue in as a mob from the start, so maybe it'll get better. Keep it out of Hr tho, that's just silly.

[mighty pecan]

smone want do the third quest? dm me

[bleak linden]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-reaction-low-tier-god-gif-3069402631519613407

[severe relic]

i love faustian i have no criticisms to offer. it is a perfect game mode and i rejoice at any and all requirements to state thusly

[drowsy basalt]

🐔🔥 Chicken mob when 🔥🐔

(So we can advocate a buff for it!)

[woven marlin]

Give druid a perk to turn chicken into mini cockatrice 🤔

[drowsy basalt]

Let him cook!!! 💯

[late rose]

I think the bargain should have a different effect in hr like letting the characters respawn without gear and try to get their shit back

[plain pier]

🫃

[unborn ermine]

why is centipede god awful? Impossible to mele and low dmg, gets 2 tapped by ice bolt...

[charred bobcat]

"Adjusted the Max Health, Movement Speed, and Action Speed balance for all Faustian monsters."
basically anything faster than a player had its spine broken, white skeles movespeed was increased to match red skeles, pretty much everything had health nerfs.. centipede 4 shot by squire barb with a quarterstaff

[azure remnant]

Patch notes: Removed the fun from the game

Hurr durrrrr

[bleak linden]

Removed ability to do third quest without strait cheating ❤️

[supple urchin]

Removed fun from the game

every Patch I see just turns into 'Balanced the fun out of the game'

[mighty pecan]

bro got skeleton champion on goblin, though finally smthing decent, died on 5-6 hits

noice xd

and now died from 1 hit on head on goblin xdd

i think sdf got bullied from monsters and never recover

[plain pier]

Can't spell Faustian Bargain without F u n Bargain

[glossy cosmos]

what affinity to get mini bosses

[mighty pecan]

are trash after the nerfs xd

die on 5-6 hits

But like 42-66 i think was

[bleak linden]

Ya even xentipede is bad u used to 3rd party trios fighting and put poison in the middle of the fight but now I can't go into trios so I just forfeit 3rd quest

[exotic hull]

What’s the best way to get a lot of uses? I usually always end up getting 1 try as a mob then have to play a new game to get another

[thorny latch]

how do u become a certain mob, like archer goblin or archer skeleton for example

[north spire]

is spreading misinformation allowed?

[rough tulip]

really hope they buff it back up

[rough tulip]

lol like what

[north spire]

you have to spell out the monster you want to spawn in as

case sensitive

[thorny latch]

what does that mean

[agile vessel]

No

[agile vessel]

That's incorrect information. It depends on your affinity.

[north spire]

what about straight up lying like if someone asks me if im mad and i said no but i am

[agile vessel]

[thorny latch]

hhahahahaa lol

[bleak linden]

what if I have a negative thought towards the supreme ruler daddy?

[severe relic]

are you guys having much luck after the faustian changes

[bleak linden]

the 3rd quest is a pipe dream

[zenith dagger]

Multiclass game mode idea fused with faustian bargain:

• Same system as before, but it is perma death with no refunds on multiclass tokens, so the random rolls are always interesting and engaging. Sometimes you will get good builds, and sometimes you will not. Either way, the inevitibility of death will keep it interesting
• A single lobby for this game mode with rotating maps (but still with solo, duo, and trio queus).
• A single stash page per character
• SSF
• After character death, you can "bank" one or more options that were rolled for your next run. The amount you can bank is dependent on the level you reached before dying. This gives some roguelike functionality. Alternatively, you could attach the amount of gold this character donated to his religion to the amount of banked options they get, so that extracting with treasure still feels rewarding.
• Quests completed on these perma death characters award additional reroll tokens.
• Devoted leaderboards and rewards for this game mode.
• Possibly mix this with faustian bargain game mode, removing faustian from the base game and including it in this slightly more "wacky" game mode.

[bleak linden]

im number # 1 spide mumme on NA mom

[exotic hull]

What’s the best way to get a lot of uses? I usually always end up getting 1 try as a mob then have to play a new game to get another

[mighty pecan]

bruh, what a funny situation, rogue lotting pile, i aproach as goblin sword(the unique dont sht mob maybe), dnt atacck, just jump and attack the wall to give friendly vibre, like, leats make a deal, let me hit you and i help, the rogue decide attack and i hit him with incredible spacing killing him, i can count with a hand the kills i get(alone) since the f nerfs, was funny

and after buff the mobs they need do better list like putting goblin sword up and etc, and do that as more points you hv you only get the mobs with more points

so you hv a reason to lvl up affinity instead of only the coins

[pseudo bay]

Play wizard, nuke mobs with your 16 magic missiles, use fireballs on destructibles, you get 2-3 charges fast

[tribal kestrel]

what map yall play now

[exotic hull]

Thank you I was doing that and looting stuff and killing but was still only getting one but I’ll try it with the spell overload

[bleak linden]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/llMLr6MPtnXhN5MAO?invite=cr-MSxPVzcsMjMyODEwNzg4&v=60

[plush niche]

Has anyone tried trading Antiquated Coins to purchase things?

[tribal kestrel]

yeaa I regret it lost so much money to gamba

my advice just sell them

[plush niche]

I want to trade them, or sell them in bulk.

I think I am going to try to trade them for coin chests.

[idle elk]

i mean just sell them until you have enough to buy one with gold

at least youll have some extra cash for kits inbetween buying a chest

[idle elk]

that is amazing

[idle elk]

legendarys aint worth anything so unless you get a ring with +all its a major loss 99% of the time lol

[plush niche]

Can't be asked, have too many to deal with undercuts and shit.

[idle elk]

be the undercutter

[plush niche]

rather bulk sell or trade for coin chests, it's simpler.

[idle elk]

i dont think anyone will trade you a chest for them imo

[plush niche]

I'll let you know.

[idle elk]

for sure i hope they do'

[plush niche]

Same

[pseudo bay]

They're a good way to save money to get an actual chest, dealer prices are too high

They'd need to halve the prices (at minimum) and even then it would be questionable, their market gold price seems inflated to me atm tho

If they find a good balance they might be worthy of becoming a new currency due to 20 stack, but it should probably be linked to legendary/unique gem price

[plush niche]

They seem to bounce between 250-300g per coin.

[pseudo bay]

Chests are about to be available for most people that missed 1st batch of weekly quests so maybe a good time to cash in

[azure remnant]

daily/weekly quests are so boring and unnecessary

when did this become a korean mmorpg?

[weak cosmos]

It has always been a Korean MMORPG my friend

Idk if you saw the graphics SDF posted on kitchen but the majority only plays PvE in the week and arena on the weekends

[plush niche]

I really like Daily and Weekly quests, you aren't forced to do them. Ignore them and let others enjoy the quests.

[azure remnant]

ewwwww....

[novel merlin]

anyone have the affinity mob list

[round crystal]

Chest market gold price is the most stable and lowest it's been in several wipes because there was a chest duping glitch that brought the prices down.

Normally chests are worth way more than just 40k.

[bleak linden]

Just gave up enchanted dark and Wolfpelt for dailies

[round crystal]

good thing those items are cheap.

[fluid fossil]

after nerf last quest should be for 300 max

after nerfs subbosses are weaker than normal goblin

where is the balance? they should be way better specialy as reward for people hard grind for affinity + how hard its get subboss

@pliant bay

@storm radish

[charred bobcat]

they will probably wait to rebalance until they sort out a risk
currently, you just load in get a token and full send it at players. very little risk for a guaranteed reward

[fluid fossil]

but now this gamemode its just totaly unfun

and i see like no one doing it anymore

before all time full lobby with mobs(players) now im most time alone

they just destroyed it.

[charred bobcat]

i know and it sucks that they did. but given how the game is, atleast supposed to be, all about risk and reward, there was no risk to faustian players
no glaze, they will buff the mobs and spawnrates again once there is some sort of risk but idk what that could be

[fluid fossil]

they should at least make quest easier to do compare how low dmg mobs most time do now.

[charred bobcat]

idk, it only takes like 3 hours to do all of them. 3 hours for guaranteed legendaries and boss drops with no risk is more than fair

[fluid fossil]

in 3h i can make like 20k in water map bro

its not at all

3h is a LOT

[unborn ermine]

i think id prefer spider mummy over centipede...

[fluid fossil]

ye thats the problem

now spider mummy sounds better

than cantipede..

idk how its "fine" for devs

[bleak linden]

just put puddle in the middle of a trios fight ez 300 dps

[rough tulip]

What are you even talking about, what guaranteed reward?Faustian literally rewards you nothing unless you are doing the quest

[rough tulip]

It "only" takes 3 hours?! This person needs there opinion rights revoked right now 💀 if u think it's ok or even little for basic quests to take 3 hours DAILY

It takes 35 tokens just for a single trolls pelt which would be almost an entire week of grinding faustian

Yeah totally risk free and so worth it

https://tenor.com/view/hakuho-exasperated-sumo-gif-26211781

[mellow fjord]

simply dont play faustian / the game. Only way to talk to those devs

[acoustic crow]

its straight up not worth the rewards for the bargain quest... but is it fun.... well fk yes.... anyways.. anyone keen to play the bargain... any server other than eu

[charred bobcat]

you're guaranteed to get coins from the quests as long as you hit players for enough damage, a regular kobold/wolf for example can finish the first quest in one or two headshots. the only thing that stops you from doing that is failing to complete them before daily reset. coins give legendarys with the click of a button, no ratting for gold, no fighting through players just instant legendaries in your stash waiting to be gem rolled

troll pelt is 35 because you get a boss drop without farming the boss or farming gold to buy from someone who farmed it, like hello?? it's almost free xD
the only reason it takes 3 hours to complete the quests is because geared players know how to fight almost every mob we can spawn as. while in squire to riches, basekit bard kills most mobs in 2-ish hits.

oh, great... more faustian adjustments

[rough tulip]

hahaha man why they gotta be soo vague..lord pls be some sort of movement speed buff

[fluid fossil]

so they nerf or buff the faustian bargain ?

i don't get it.

why they can't just say buff or nerf they saying "balance"...

or adjusted

[weak apex]

"Faustian Bargain – Skeleton Archers now have Quick Shot Skill." ggs

[fluid fossil]

"big buff" change nothing. Real problem is ms, it should be better.

[trim surge]

So what did they change this patch

[plush niche]

#📢announcements

[mighty pecan]

Ok i will share things Along i test

I want test sea map first

[trim surge]

I'm specifically asking on this channel because it's not detailed

[plush niche]

This channel doesn't have any more information than what was said in the patch notes, the game is shutdown for the patch.

[trim surge]

Sometimes people dig files

[mighty pecan]

WE CAN BET

jajjaja

[trim surge]

I beg they made mini bosses little better

[mighty pecan]

i think they dnt touch hp

but touch other things maybe

like trying balance

[weak apex]

warlord next?

🤭

[mighty pecan]

200 repu to control bosses? xddd

jajaja

[weak apex]

totally not op

🤏

[mighty pecan]

is a joke, its impossible xd

[weak apex]

I know, I was joking too

[mighty pecan]

2h more, this game is a meme xd

[rough tulip]

so has anyone tried

what changged

[mighty pecan]

im on water map, hear the sound like underwater like when imon surface wtf

[rough tulip]

mob faster?

[mighty pecan]

im testing

pirate axe mobs slower than at bargain realease but more than last patch

is like a player or a bit less

on water i mean

on ground is normal

skelys move more on water, is playable i think

skeletons are better than on release now, pirates a bit nerf but playable

[mighty pecan]

tbh idk how to feel, i feel a bit like lazy to play it by the slower even after buff xd

goblin speed seems to be like 2 weeks ago

so nice

and hp nerfs got reverted on pirates goblins seems

already did quests before, dnt gnna test more, at least there are more mobs playable seems, w update

hv curiosity on hp elites

[mighty pecan]

no one tested nothing? sad xd

[jovial saddle]

whatever u guys do definitely dont try walking on land as a shark or anything

that definitely absolutely doesnt work for sure

[wispy halo]

🤨

[grim tide]

spawning as a spider mummy in GC in that one trap module with mobs in the roof

is not ideal

[empty trout]

They killed it.

[weak cosmos]

OK new faustian mobs feel much much better

[bleak linden]

We back?

[weak cosmos]

they do feel way better imo

not borderline unplayable as before the patch

[trim surge]

Nice, gotta test it then

[fluid fossil]

how they change them?

[hexed spire]

Rip faustian

Shark giga nerfed

Slower then skelly

Gg

Sdf hates faustian

Actually slower then anything else in water now

Sdf came in and removed all the fins

https://tenor.com/view/underwater-wheelchair-gif-7807226

@storm radish nice shark nerf can we get some battery's for our new mobility scooter or

Imagine grinding 80 affinity levels to play as shark without fins

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

"I WANT FAUSTIAN TO BE FUN FOR PEOPLE PLAYING IT AND FOR PEOPLE PLAYING AGAINST IT" the change in question

Walking lootbox as gamemode

Spend 20 mins walking to someone to get ranged

Because some streamer was upset

They should just add a stupid block penalty onto shark instead of make it move 2 feet per hour

Get blocked you get 3 free hits type sht

Much better then making shark a force skip

Spider>shark

[trim surge]

Is it that bad?

Damn

It's only shark tho

Enjoy something else before it comes back

[round crystal]

I'm gonna be real it's a bad mechanic to shoehorn into an extraction game with no thought.

It's a revenge mechanic, which is already silly, and there is no benefit for doing well other than a daily quest. he said he wants to give the mode AP to grind, but without buffing the mobs back up to being competent that won't matter. If he does buff the mobs, it's just cancer for literally anyone just trying to play the game.

[lethal barn]

does anyone know the mob/reputation brackets

[vale mason]

how are they gonna make it fun for both sides it’s actually impossible I think. On the player side getting ganked by a player shark with no real counter play feels awful, or just dying to a faustian mob can really feel un engaging when they can just do spins and kite you. But if you nerf the mobs too much it feels like a slog to get around places. This faustian system might be doomed.

[mighty pecan]

you can appear as skelton champyion trapped too, and in inferno as the wraith

they need fix that too

[mighty pecan]

elites mobs are hard to balance tbh

shark will be the hardest

[hexed spire]

Make the block punish longer

Give shark less hp

Anything but the granny patch

Its worse then spidermummy atm

[weak cosmos]

My brother in Christ if you still think this game is just a "extraction game" the problem is you, they let it already clear that the game goes way beyond that

[round crystal]

Gameplay doesn't reflect that lol

Doesn't change the fact it's a silly mechanic to implement in the first place.

[weak cosmos]

There are a lot of F2P extraction games out there bro, go play them instead

[hexed spire]

Mabye these changes are bc hr faust is confirmed

So the normal minis need to be bad

[weak cosmos]

Also true, he said that the plan is for the mechanic to be available in HR

It released with the mechanic in HR but people were crying relentlessly

[round crystal]

You clearly didn't see what the mobs were capable of then

[plush niche]

Wouldn't you be sad that I paid 100gold, and killed 7x mobs and came in there and shit on you costing you your kit?

[weak cosmos]

No, cuz I don't take the game that seriously, also I don't cheese mobs like everyone and their mother do, I clear rooms, I will probably just find it funny, challenge wise

Ppl malding over pixels, like it's the International with a 100Million price pool if you make it to demigod

[plush niche]

If you don't take the game 'that seriously" then why do you care what they are doing with a trash mechanic in the game? I also think the large majority not enjoying being killed by players who are risking nothing is unfair. I also don't think anyone is being gate kept from Demigod by Faustian, Demigod is free if you play HR.

[tribal kestrel]

#barbarian message

this is normal

[weak cosmos]

Me not taking the game seriously has nothing to do with me wanting more things to do in the game, the brain rotted metaslaves are the ones always malding over "x or y addition to the game been trash" if it was for them this game would have went down the chivalry I, II AND Mordhaud route long ago

[plush niche]

Well the playerbase shouldn't suffer for your wants, also there's a lot to do in the game other than griefing players with Faustian. it has nothing to do with meta, it's about risk and reward. Players risk their gear, Faustian players risk 100gold. It's massively imbalanced, hence the removal from HR. Generalizing anyone that has an opinion of disliking Faustian as a 'Brain rotted metaslave" is very telling though.

[trim sonnet]

Is GC the best way to farm damage for the dailies?

I assume the goblin poison ends up counting towards it

[harsh trout]

Sad to hear Faustian is still borked

[trim sonnet]

oh?

[plush niche]

Poison weirdly doesn't count

Tested this with Goblin Archer and it wasn't adding to the quest.

Might have been fixed with todays faustian changes though.

[trim sonnet]

that's unfortunate

[weak cosmos]

true

[weak cosmos]

frost archer has a 2 swing meele combo that is good for damage dealing

[mighty pecan]

they touch smthing about points? i destroy 16 crates/chest and dnt get 2 mobs

maybe chest dnt give now?

or they incrase it?

[charred bobcat]

zombies might be good now, wolves still crippled though

[bleak linden]

My first encounter with faustain was hr and I didn't understand it from the patch notes ❤️

[plush niche]

Is Faustian still bad after the patch?

[charred bobcat]

slightly better, there are still some ass mobs though

[karmic dagger]

what rep do you need to be minimum to start seeing some decent stuff

only got 12 atm

[karmic dagger]

its good, i dont know what people kinda expect it to be

you need to sneak/outnumber or outplay living players

no W+M1 as a mob

[plush niche]

Well I don't think Faustian has a place in the game, but if they are going to go this route I feel that any mob should not move slower than a full plate fighter with a 2h out.

[karmic dagger]

no maybe it shouldnt be in the game i agree

[plush niche]

They should at least be useable, and the damage quest should be reduced from 500x Damage to 200x Damage for QoL.

[karmic dagger]

yeah 250 or 300 or sometning

most ppl will just get 1 or 2 quest done a day i think thats how they plannned it out

and if u really wanna grind u can get 3

but yeah its a bit too high

[harsh trout]

Shou with the braindead takes

You have 12 rep my dude. Zero frame of reference

[karmic dagger]

explain then

whats ur rank and why is faustian bad compared to me with even worse mob pool

[hearty iris]

Let's stay respectful, folks : )

[plush niche]

I have 113 Rep, Faustian is bad for the game.

[plush niche]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1aU8GHfgNWOHmoWx_iFbiyViZuWiVDdee5_a4ir7im1k/htmlview

[karmic dagger]

all nightmare ones not possible atm tho i guess

[plain pier]

Faustian is great and I will not believe otherwise

[karmic dagger]

defo fun

[plain pier]

I've been slaughtering people with Skeleton Footman lol. Buffs made it a lot more fun.

Dunno if it's just me but have also been getting more minibosses lately (65+ rep range)

[karmic dagger]

seems like you got everything at 65+

assuming you cant get nightmare mobs in normal right

[plain pier]

Well yea I have everything unlocked but I've had them all for a while. I meant specifically this patch I've only done Faustian >10 times and played as a Skeleton Champion twice and a cockatrice once

[karmic dagger]

sounds amazing haha

[plain pier]

The funniest part of Skeleton Champion is having the alternative attack patterns as well, they never expect it

[plush niche]

Yeah that's correct.

[plush niche]

[worn bough]

https://tenor.com/view/bucktooth-emoji-patrick-star-smiling-emoji-bucktooth-smiling-buck-tooth-emoji-gif-8956359514105633234

Oh la la gifs work here?

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

https://tenor.com/view/rule-159-larry-larry-cat-cat-meme-gif-8356169250080122332

[severe relic]

oh no

this cant be good

[charred bobcat]

behave and we might be allowed to keep it

[worn bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250489013735784491/1346498110670770176/togif.gif

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-tongue-out-gif-4829872985915087399

[plush niche]

You can already see why we can't have gifs, some people literally can't control themselves.

[charred bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074597485986721842/1074624890432393267/image0-14-2-1_Original.gif

[worn bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-and-darker-dark-%26-darker-fighter-gif-2667040738648490339

[bleak linden]

jebus

[plush niche]

Can I send you a Screenshot in DMs?

[bleak linden]

always

[plush niche]

If anyone in here is looking for coins, I have a ton for trade.

[tribal ingot]

what do u know about 61

[rustic abyss]

Like your just giving away money

[plush niche]

What?

[rustic abyss]

I'm saying are you offering coins for free

[plush niche]

#faustian-bargain message

Hope that helps.

[rustic abyss]

[worn bough]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/857616544287817728/1187195787910860920/IMG_4892.gif?ex=6596013c&is=65838c3c&hm=e322e7a74b0f576553338e0378280898bf7d67c0db31123bee242237dccb8641&

[plucky hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-and-darker-dark-and-darker-game-darker-and-darker-bateman-sigma-dd-game-gif-27540545

[trim surge]

do kills from ruins transfer to crypts?

[bleak linden]

do you want mine

[unborn latch]

👀

[old onyx]

any wanna buy a ring of quickness unieq with crazy stats all at/max hp bonus/true phys/headsh dmg bns/phys dmg bonus

[trim surge]

why the hell u post it here

[old onyx]

where els

[timber shell]

in the trading post in dark and darker

[worn bough]

https://tenor.com/view/chungus-pinged-ben-shapiro-discord-big-gif-21424212

[old onyx]

yo ham

mb i was eating how much would u offer bc i placed it on the market

[timber shell]

call me by my full name

[old onyx]

HamPicklesTomatoCheeseLettuce

[timber shell]

yo whats up

[old onyx]

how much do u offer

[timber shell]

I dont offer stuff Im not for sale

[old onyx]

for the pendent look dm