suggestion-discussion

[opaque sinew]

Let's say, boss part of training hall only exits for weekend

[brisk junco]

Yeah they added this cool thing called the dungeon it’s like a map that u play

[copper pendant]

Ok
One
Created during random maps
2
Ud have to get either lich or lord if u have crypts
3
Ud have to waste time to get to said levels of whatever boss u wanted to practice
4 gotta deal with pvp/risk of losing a kit u were still tweaking and fine tuning

[brisk junco]

norms isnt random so clearly u dont even play lmao also pve if ur afraid to loose ur squire kit?

[copper pendant]

ok
norms u cant test a kit kit
only blues
pve u have to deal with all the other players who pve
and u also cant try hr variant bosses and hp (in norms)
also i hit warlord on 2 characters this wipe and demigod on 5
i most definitely play the game

[icy knot]

TM warlock is getting solos/duos only balanced treatment

how about you finally nerf rogue invis then
in solos best players in the world are dying to landmine rogue because this playstyle is so bs.

[spark marsh]

I have already written that I am against it. And I explained why. ruins the whole game against PvE.

[whole vigil]

I honestly would rather they nerfed the cooldown on phantomise, also when are they gonna nerf druid again class still broken af.

[copper pendant]

ok then dont upvote

[spark marsh]

Leave the druid alone, I haven't seen a druid in a high roller for 10,000 years. I don't play it, but I feel a little sorry for them now. Lately, there have been so many nerfs that even on the slayer they don't cause me any particular problems.

[spark marsh]

But the warlock has already become too powerful, especially when everyone started using Corapshin, and then they made it even stronger. It's ridiculous. You put together a set and kill everyone with one hit.

[tacit dew]

Hotfix 100 felt super smooth latency wise. I haven't felt that in awhile. But Hotfix 101 took away that away 🙁

[icy knot]

I don't see any changes

[icy knot]

What if wyvern had a chance to drop frost light gear?

What if sting Ray had a chance to drop water ore gear?

[copper pendant]

If I kill stingray and pull tidal gear instead of an arti I'm becoming a most wanted

[languid spear]

PLEASE ADD AUTO SORT TO STASH or even inventory too!!! every good extraction has this…… its so simple but would help so much

[spring urchin]

So after you select you don't want to be teamed with certain people, you put them on the same team again? That needs fixed! I am trying to play arena, and I get put with the same team, and they just instantly throw and team kill me? How does that make sense

[icy knot]

so how about you report them everytime after each game

[spring urchin]

I did...

[icy knot]

keep doing that, they will regret killing you

[full patrol]

They removed HR from Test...not sure what that means, yet.

[whole vigil]

nah bro druid still mega broken same with some skills like recklass, weakpoint and multishot

[whole vigil]

can you give fighter one dex and str piece of gear like ffs not a single one is present, preferrably pants @keen onyx

[icy knot]

since start of the season it takes 1 to 2 minutes for my game to start running(im using blacksmith)

[icy knot]

The Cistern module needs to be removed from the arena pool, as it heavily benefits range characters.

[serene mica]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx Pretty please give squire more gear set availability's. maybe its just me, but 3 just isn't enough and 5 wont be either. Please create for us 10 gear set spaces. it would really be nice and id appreciate you

[whole vigil]

which one is that room?, btw arena is just casters and ranger you wont have any melee in there, dont bother urself with arena

please make recurve native to fighter, I dont want to waste a perk slot anymore @keen onyx , fighter is unplayable with crossbow as only range option

[copper pendant]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/671521/guild-hall-boss-training-room
Since guild hall is confirmed already along with adding onto it with wood to craft furniture and etc., we should be able to craft a training hall for bosses. Lets say you would need certain items for the normal boss variant and multiple for the high roller variant.
-Banshee : "banshee's sonnet"
-Spectral Knight : "Spectral hilt"
-Lich : "Dark Matter"
-Warlord : "Warlord's broken blade"
-Ghost King : "Cursed Crown"
-Cyclops : "Cyclops Precious Mirror"
-Troll : "Cave Troll's Precious Rock
-Wyvern : "Wyvern Egg"
-Ancient Stingray : "Stingray egg"
This is just examples of what would be needed for the drops. The items I listed gives use for the unused "hunting loot" from bosses, but we could also use the diaries or need a set of items. An example of this would be warlord needing; 1 intact skull, 2 warlord armor shard, 1 warlord broken blade, 6 bones, 1 manuscript warlord. This would let newer players or even veterans practice a build they have crafted on a boss or even learn the move set.

[steep folio]

REMOVE WATER MAP TY

[whole vigil]

better option remove all the water in the water map

[opaque sinew]

Add polearm mastery to fighter and warlock.

[sweet kelp]

We need some kind of systems to make wipes more interesting for a longer periods, like skill trees with prestige systems or shorter wipes :/ @dawn grotto

[icy knot]

🧠

[spark marsh]

Would you like steel trousers? Or leather or fabric ones? By the way, there are boots with agility and strength characteristics.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/662667/slayer-2025-current-offers

The latest ones are at the bottom.

1. Add a short sword and an arming sword to the weaponsmith's crafting menu.
2. Add a short sword artefact. (A pair, to go with the arming sword artefact.)
3. Combine "paired weapons" and "slayer". The slayer needs a defensive perk to survive. It has no block and is less manoeuvrable than the rogue.
4. Make the "Master of the Sword" perk fully functional and speed up the slayer by 10% when blocking. (Add paired blades with block).
5. Craft Jazantons, Brigandines, Leather Caps, the ability to create craft sets to stack set bonuses.
6. Allow dagger throwing for the Slayer or fighter in general.
7. Add an artefact for the new "Dual Blades" weapon.

Here are the stages of Slayers development. I've been waiting a long time for craftable weapons. There are no crafting options at all. There is also no pair for the artefact, which prevents me from playing in big games against the strongest players. In Slayer combo, most attacks are made with a short sword. You are forcing us to play with what we have. You are depriving us of choice. Also, with the advent of new weapons, the Slayer will be more predictable in his choice of weapons. People will be more inclined to play with class weapons, as they offer more possibilities. And there will be fewer dirty builds in the game, which look unattractive and hinder the development of the Slayer. @keen onyx @dawn grotto @midnight horizon

[whole vigil]

its not dex, I said str and dex and I need them on either pants or helmet, for pants i dont care what type but for helmet cloth or leather. But I prefer it would be the pants that are -4 ms or lower if they ever give fighter dex/str gear,
also those agi/str boots suck cause they are favoring the agi first and have very low pdr even though pdr is useless in this game

[spark marsh]

I wish they would at least give wool hats slightly better stats. Not 5% physical damage resistance, but at least 8%, like all the new ones. Because this is ridiculous. They gave the slayer a new hat, but it's worse than all the others. (Well, they gave it to all classes). I wore it on my head from the very beginning. Then I threw it in the bin and put on a leather cap. This character does nothing but get hit on the head, and the cap is twice as bad. The developers never made any leather or fabric items for the fighter class. Either a fighter's clothing is plate armour, or it's any clothing that anyone can wear.

[spark marsh]

And if they add armour, it says bard, rogue... There's no fighter there. I'm so tired of this that I don't have the strength.

I'm talking about crafting at the armourer's.

[languid spear]

PLEASE ADD AUTO SORT TO STASH AND INVENTORY

[cinder orchid]

noooo my ap and gold farming method
also have you tried not playing it? like bro you can chose your HR map now

[midnight sierra]

make it so rednames cant queue with randoms. make red names account wide instead of character specific

[slim flint]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/680063/add-back-rotating-maps-its-so-good

rotating maps is SO good if its a 2 minute between maps, worst case scenario you have to wait 6 mins to choose your map and you still get to play the map you want. lowers the queues by 235%

[patent mauve]

Make ruins the first floor for every dungeon, keep ice map, maelstrom and goblin caves queues up, but make it so there are red statics that can take you to every map from ruins. A watery cave entrance for goblin caves, a forest module with a layer of snow heading to the ice caves along with stairs leading to the crypts, add a dock with a boat that takes you to the water map. Then if rotating maps/ random maps come back, you still can get to the map you want 2/4 times.

[abstract bone]

who cares anymore we got map selection

[slim flint]

when the lobbies are full dead every time then yeah

[abstract bone]

dead for u maybe im getting mad teams

[whole vigil]

purge shot dont belong in the game, makes soo many builds useless, also removes demon form making it even more useless than it already is, guess ill go back to the cancerous tm when playing warlock only way to actually kill all these kiting classes

[zealous sparrow]

Squire Arena

[whole vigil]

yo sdf can you nerf the cockatrice damage or are you that much of a furry

[untold copper]

They have to add ''cancel qeue'

[whole vigil]

remove water map from squire to riches

[untold copper]

and remove faustin bargain thats a fucking shet

[devout lark]

QOL: Vicinity window for loot on the ground.

[random junco]

We had it and it was terrible. And that just don't solve problem of empty maps bc everybody will just wait for their map.

[whole vigil]

REMOVE PURGESHOT!!!!!

[icy knot]

it has terrible design as reanger should not be able to remove buffs

it was unusable as skill so devs said f*it let have it activated 24/7 as perk

[whole vigil]

soo many builds are just gone cause of purgeshot

[sturdy shadow]

add a cooldown like ice shield or dark reflection problem , mostly , solved. ( still annoying)

[whole vigil]

exacty, if they hopefully do that it should be 10 seconds

[opaque sinew]

No. Make it skill instead of perk

[sturdy shadow]

I agree but they made it a perk because no one used it so don't think they would change it back

[ripe belfry]

Can we make merge a built in skill for sorc please and thank you

[nocturne heath]

it was situational but not unused, arena comps used it a lot

[prime zinc]

i think u should fix bodys on elevators, even if u go 2 modules away the body get put to where u killed it and u can't loot on a elevator so ur fucked if u kill them half way up

[nocturne dragon]

Goated suggestion

[nocturne phoenix]

there are not many beings on this planet with less braincells than these devs. remove double jump and let someone with an actual brain develop this game

[random junco]

a lot of effects aren't magic buffs so it don't work against it and a lot of rangers just don't use it.

[opaque sinew]

That's completely wrong

Not a single thing you typed was correct.

[icy knot]

buff immortal lament %HP activation

1 small number tweak and it finally can be playable outside of life drain(dark offering)

[opaque sinew]

Make it 14%

[abstract bone]

buff druid so they can leap twice. Honestly druids need more support for teamplay.

[whole vigil]

90% of the rangers use it, and it cancels so many stuff, needs to go back as a skill

[whole vigil]

remove the water map from squire to riches

[zealous sparrow]

Squire Arena

[icy knot]

Just play squire to riches

[zealous sparrow]

I do and its great but I like the arena setting

[opaque sinew]

Stop making suggestions

[sweet kelp]

i wonder if any of the devs is reading this channel :/

[icy knot]

[icy knot]

My unc sdf is

[whole vigil]

can you give fighter one piece of gear with both dex and str, like there is none and for some reason fighter has useless knowledge gear replace those with some usefull ones and make templar will and str instead of just will, and make recurve native.

[icy knot]

Plague spell when? What does plague do?
It spreads 🧠

[steep mesa]

reskin Ruins to a jungle theme, call it Ruins of the Forgotten Temple, and make it the goblin cave starting map. Bring back crypts as the map you start on.

[icy knot]

❌

[icy knot]

Don't do free legendary status event this year!!! Or I'mma crash out

[icy knot]

I hope you devs are going to make tavern table episode where you reveal some new class perks/skills.

Maybe with in game footage.

[fallow silo]

👍

[noble bobcat]

Let me Hit People with the bones plz! And let me throw skulls. broken skulls deal less dmg, but could fly further.

and pelase make double jump a tactical decision. not a Sir-Spam-A-Lot funktion.

[icy knot]

as good QoL feature would be Transfer all of the items/complete all trades button in marketplace

[little breach]

Auto sort stash and search feature pls

[whole vigil]

can you put poor grade magic protection pot in squire

[leaden knot]

Preach also FIX THE FCKING INVENTORY BUG IN GAME

[whole vigil]

ornate gazerant, runestone gloves, stefan berret should be available to all classes

[sage hinge]

Increase the damage dealt by Druids in trios, then decrease the damage in solo—this will perfectly resolve the Druid imbalance.

[opaque sinew]

No.

[sterile zodiac]

SDF should play with random players undercover to truly get a good idea of what the game is like, what people want and see just how fun it actually is.

I expect there to be a very unpleasant and possibly even rude awakening to just wtf is going on with the game and I say this because I am suspecting there is a huge disconnect between what the thinks the game is, what he wants to create and what people dealing with and actually want.

[icy knot]

you don't want sdf to make changes base only on his own game experience trust me

[icy knot]

this season is probably the best season there is, patches are 9.5/10

[sterile zodiac]

Core game play issues still remain.

It's more about him seeing first hand what the players feel good and complain about.

[whole vigil]

how about they decrease damage on every mode, druid damage still mega broken.

[harsh basin]

the quick sell delay should be a setting please let me turn it off

[upper karma]

quick sell should only be on collector

[next juniper]

unrape sorc pls

[icy knot]

the quick sell delay should be a setting please let me turn it off its just 2 or 3 seconds. nah

quick sell should only be on collector nope

[icy knot]

by the way
when fall damage or fall debuff will be added?

[languid spear]

please add auto sort to stash and inventory

[hazy mesa]

Druids pretty boring being only spells or transforms for skills. Give Druid Shillelagh: +5 magical weapon damage & + 5 physical weapon damage on quarter staff for 8 seconds
(Basically Druids version of smite)

[cunning palm]

druid already have perks like that can combo

[whole vigil]

only druid buff that I agree with, anything that does not buff animal form is good for me, but it should not be only on quarterstaff that weapon sucks even after that small buff they gave it

[icy knot]

maybe druid will get a skill that will allow him to transform into any animal or mob that he encounters. working just like faustian bargain but for druid

[icy knot]

how to encourage pve players to try normal mode?

• small % goblin recovery for self-looted items in normal mode(they farm items in PVE mode so they can try normal mode with looted items)?(i don't know if that's a good idea just bringing it up again)
• smaller maps in PVE mode?

[hazy mesa]

Tell me, what spell/perk gives Druid extra damage on its quarterstaff?

[icy knot]

stop space map development please!!! 😭
make goblin caves deeper level!!!

[cunning palm]

force of nature, if you need I can tell you some cool combo too

[hazy mesa]

Homie 5 phys power is not that good at all. It also only works when you’re healing (must have received damage already, even with natural heal)

[cunning palm]

and I think have a good potential

[hazy mesa]

Thorn coat is infinitely better

[cunning palm]

ehm , ye man, you are a druid, as you said jsut put in combo with it

and a lot of other stuff, you need an entire build? I can give you, I saw people won 1 vs 1 and even me

[hazy mesa]

Thorn coat, natural healing, sun & moon, and either healer or transform perk @cunning palm
No room for the sometimes 5 phys

Like comparing smite (shillegah being a smite like ability) to 5 phys is crazy 😂

[cunning palm]

and what is different form what you said??

man you can't do a skin of the same skill for all classes, have no sense

so all classes need to have smite-ignite? or just do something similar but different for each classe that can combo with is style

from a druid I espect self healing while fight and get buffs from it

[hazy mesa]

It wouldn’t have to be the same, like I said give 5 phys wep and 5 mag wep or something

[cunning palm]

like cleric do miracles and use shield or wizard use utility and dmg spell in combo

[hazy mesa]

Whatever it is would have to be a base damage that scales, otherwise it needs to be a huge % of something to be beneficial enough for a skill slot (not perk)

[cunning palm]

so you mean just buff the number, but maybe they think that you have healing per second during the fight, def or 5 tru dmg so you ahve to do a bit less dmg from that buff

[hazy mesa]

I’m not really sure if I understand your last paragraph?

[cunning palm]

with a human form druid you can't use other perks anyway

[hazy mesa]

You only really get to sacrifice 1 perk for human form, also I’m talking about a skill not a perk

[cunning palm]

you said both

[hazy mesa]

I mean I agree they could make it something much more unique and cool, but this is Ironmace and they struggle to pump out new mechanics from scratch (like it makes your quarterstaff longer and have a bigger block temporarily or something)

Like imagine if your quarter staff had like double reach temporality and had a bunch of vines in the middle making the block similar to a round shield

That’d be fkin sick for a skill, but also that takes way more effort to code than just adding base stats

[cunning palm]

quatersaff I think they will put something for the monk

[cunning palm]

even sorcer could have the same problem

[hazy mesa]

In DnD lore Druids literally have Shillelagh, which is a big buff to your quarterstaff or club* mele

Monk having some quarterstaff stuff would be cool too, would love to see if become a relevant weapon

[hazy mesa]

Not sure what you’re saying with this, mind restating?

[cunning palm]

ye they can do it but I think it will have low numbers too

[hazy mesa]

DnD lore wise it would basically just be Druid smite though. It adds damage and changes your attack/dmg rolls to spell casting stats

[cunning palm]

maybe they will add more stuff in general in future, I am main wizard, immagine my patience waiting something added to the class ahahaha

[hazy mesa]

Ah yeah wizards been a bit dry since basically they added overload lmao

[cunning palm]

somebody says that is near to be added some ice spells, I hope so

[hazy mesa]

But also wizard has a lot of skills, Druid has 2. Just diversity is what I crave

[cunning palm]

but but I think for the fact that spells and shapes have a lot of potential and for now they don't want so much stuff for that class that maybe is hard to balance

[hazy mesa]

Skills aren’t as hard to balance because you’re only allowed 2. If you add another good skill, then Druid has to choose to give up either heals or transforms, that’s massive

Plus they just buffed the shit out of healer cleric so healer Druid is just objectively worse rn

[cunning palm]

sure but see lifebloom got nerfed form 50% and with that you can't trasform, and depend if that skill have only a cd or need a campfire, if have only cd can't be so much strong

[hazy mesa]

I mean again if it’s Shillegah it’s basically smite. Is smite OP cause it doesn’t require campfire? It’s just for the caster to box if desperate

[cunning palm]

yeye I play both healer as second role , I feel what you said , but in general have 2 different flow of the fight

[cunning palm]

but imamgine a druid that abuse shapes, coming in and out when he want but with a smite, too strong

[hazy mesa]

I mean not only is smite just a cooldown, cleric also gets better armor and shields. Way better of a healer for survivability lol

[cunning palm]

you don't have spells but at that point you don't need it

[hazy mesa]

And then has no way to heal/reset. Not really hard to avoid them tbh either. It would only be good against squishies, which Panther already shits on

[cunning palm]

you can't go out from a fight , you are solid but slow

[cunning palm]

now all hate druid because they can choose every fight, of course you don't have to troll

the only 1 thing is like lifebloom, you can't use shapes

so you are similar to cleric with 5 spells

and for me could be cool both druid and monk with quarterstaff things

[hazy mesa]

Yeah I’m talking mostly quarter staff, which is a dead weapon as of now. And again, it would force you to choose between heals and transforms, which the combo of those is what makes Druid annoying (can fly away and reset) @cunning palm

I really don’t think a transform Druid would ever give up their spells for a smite ability

And again only works with quarterstaff, can’t use on Panther or something

[icy knot]

#warlock message

I hope warlock receives some more powerful sacrificing spells/skills allowing for teamplay
like: you sacrifice your health + you can't move, to buff your ally
idk. some crazy shi demon like abbilities
I hope you give teamplay abilities to classes that are missing them.

[icy knot]

to be honest I thought new deer mob will be invisible.
sad its just spawn and kill type mob

[hazy mesa]

Hear me out: Add a perk to Sorc that is basically their version of morale boost. Mana Theft- Upon killing a player, all spell slots/cooldowns reset and gain a 3% movespeed bonus for 5 seconds

[random junco]

curse that deal dmg to target and increase its movement speed / action speed?

delayed swap after 20 sec you exchange place with target

[icy knot]

What if you (the devs) create a late-season mode similar to URF in League?
This mode could use settings like Squire2Riches — trios only, random map, etc.

Event mode idea:
Increase the stats of all characters by a set amount (+30 to all stats, +100 HP) and buff all mobs on the map. Almost like multiclassing, right? But not exactly.

The issue with multiclassing was that it affected every mode in the game, and perks had no restrictions, which created some insanely powerful meta builds.

This event mode would let players enjoy that chaotic power fantasy again, but in a controlled, temporary environment that doesn’t affect the whole game.

[jolly mauve]

Too many q’s already

[icy knot]

1 late season event never hurt nobody
||except bed executed multiclassing||

[stark cosmos]

leave arena open man

[icy knot]

magic staff doesn't seem to be used as casting tool even tho its already way stronger than spellbook
So how about you just improve its cast animation? The release of the spell from the magic staff has always felt clunky.(try hitscan spells when target is moving)

[upper karma]

optimize water map

[halcyon violet]

The Wizard Hat or Staff Mastery should have an effect on Staff Casting Action Speed.

[eternal raptor]

Hear me out, what if bosses dropped a named every time that disappears at the end of the run but there was also rare drops from the bosses that allows you to keep said named item (giving incentive to boss kill in HR but also making it rare to actually keep the named)

[frosty juniper]

A cool idea is class passives, something everyone of that class has. Like make for example counterattack perk baseline for fighters, for example berserking for barbarians, reactive shield for wizard, creep for rogue etc etc. These are just ideas but would be kinda fun and open up for more builds, and each class should maybe have something like this thats innate to the class

as long as its passives that do something other than stuff like +5% ranged damage or +10% casting speed, it would be more fun if it was tied to the class more than a simple stat boost.

[icy knot]

thank god warlock already has an amazing passive

[frosty juniper]

shadow touch or maybe soul collector ish style passive would be fitting for the locks

[tepid parcel]

Homosexual

Oh ok I tried to type lit-e-ghay-shun and it stopped it because of a synonym.

This makes me laugh sorry

[copper pendant]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/671521/guild-hall-boss-training-room
Since guild hall is confirmed already along with adding onto it with wood to craft furniture and etc., we should be able to craft a training hall for bosses. Lets say you would need certain items for the normal boss variant and multiple for the high roller variant.
-Banshee : "banshee's sonnet"
-Spectral Knight : "Spectral hilt"
-Lich : "Dark Matter"
-Warlord : "Warlord's broken blade"
-Ghost King : "Cursed Crown"
-Cyclops : "Cyclops Precious Mirror"
-Troll : "Cave Troll's Precious Rock
-Wyvern : "Wyvern Egg"
-Ancient Stingray : "Stingray egg"
This is just examples of what would be needed for the drops. The items I listed gives use for the unused "hunting loot" from bosses, but we could also use the diaries or need a set of items. An example of this would be warlord needing; 1 intact skull, 2 warlord armor shard, 1 warlord broken blade, 6 bones, 1 manuscript warlord. This would let newer players or even veterans practice a build they have crafted on a boss or even learn the move set.

[vestal crest]

lmao sdf just ruined arena wtf ggs they just threw the final stabb dnd is dead now for sure

[brisk junco]

Brilliant idea killing off arena lmao yall never cease to amaze with the stupidity @keen onyx

[coarse barn]

Add a class like blood hunter with Lycamprathy (werewolf and other were animal stuff) PLEASE!

[bitter bronze]

give the ranger a strap on so he can f*** me up close like a man

[nocturne phoenix]

Add a stacking debuff like druid form change to wizards so they cannot cast 20+ spells at you back to back. so after 5 spells they must wait 4 seconds for something. and completley remove double jump. its literally game breaking.

[icy knot]

W patch

[nocturne phoenix]

or alternatively make it where after every spell cast, magic damage is reduced by a flat 1 so that atleast magic missle point blank shotgun can potentially be reigned in.

[opaque sinew]

give warlock polearm mastery and a perk that converts 20% of your physical dmg output to magical damage in cost of unability to cast spells and pdr loss. Make shield bash innate ability for classes can use shields but give fighter action speed, phy bonus and ms bonus for a duration when shield bash used.

[nocturne phoenix]

get yo ass back in the kitchen and try again

[opaque sinew]

Give rouge shield mastery perk inexchange of unability to use hide, creep, thrust and double jump height decrease when perk active, but let's you use falchion or cutlass, gain hs bonus and 2 phys power while using a non-dagger melee weapon

Make dark reflect only work against ranged, aoe

[forest abyss]

Rip arena. Honestly don't see a point in continuing to play the game if the changes actually stick around.

[icy knot]

W arena change.

[lavish oxide]

since ssf is coming back to Arena, can we get account- minted gear instead of character-minted gear?? Here's the suggestions for that change if anyone here wants to upvote them:

• https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/603016/accountbound-minting
• https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/603160/make-gear-minted-for-the-whole-account-not-one-single-character

Also, I can't imagine many people will wanna play arenas above 2200 elo if no one can party up in there anymore but we still have to play as teams... I expect people will start intentionally tanking elo once they hit 2200 just to remain able to play with friends.

[sterile wasp]

Unique/named Arena please

[spark marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1445500985500893214
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446508221362602055
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446584275297370276

My final proposals were outlined in these fitbacks.
I had some general suggestions about the game. They are in the old link that I sent so often. I focused on the important things. The more urgent things. I apologise for any inconvenience I caused you.

@keen onyx @hollow creek @dawn grotto

[willow ferry]

new update fucked game on 11 fps average like how

[astral geyser]

Why? Do you hate playing the main game so much that you just buy gold from echisketchistan and just buy bis?

Like legit asking. I think ssf will make people do the main game more for better loot.

[upper karma]

Ssf is good for that reason but it blows for people that can't play all day. Gear sucks in this game being that theres so many dead rolls you have to farm for weeks to get a set worth competing in. To make it worse you have to farm for each character you want to play arena in. It's also close to end of wipe so what's the point?

[icy knot]

People liked SSF arena before

They removed it, noob got used to buy gear arena.
now they hate SSF. LOL

[upper karma]

It'd be cool to have ssf arena at the START of a wipe and not have the devs change it halfway through said wipe again like they did last time arena was ssf

[astral geyser]

Yeah, honestly i forget most people don't play this game like a second job. This late in the season i thiught it was dumb, but in general i can see that being a big issue too.

I thought surely people would have the same time sink into just resource buying rather than kit buying. But again that just means resources will go up in price and gear will be cheaper.

Not to mention bad gear crafting rolls

[forest abyss]

Idk how you got the idea that im buying gold. I dont. I grinned out few decent enough arena kits and game with the boiis on the weekends. I dont got the time to slave away 80 hours a week.

[opaque sinew]

ssf does nothing but makes you gamble for craftables,

Compare purple arming sword to spectral blade

[astral geyser]

I was being hyperbolic.
The point i was trying to make was just buy resources and craft a kit or play the dungeons and loot.

But after @upper karma message I've realized i made my message without thinking. Playing a few hours a day isnt viable for most people, and crafting kit has a lot of room to fail miserably. Epic geat limit is good, but ssf this late in the wipe is pretty dumb, especially since most people are burnt out on HR and the questing.

[sick heart]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CHANGE TO SELF FOUND EPIC ONLY MID SEASON IN ARENA HOOOOLLYY BRAINDEAD NEVER PLAYING THIS SHIT AGAIN

[opaque sinew]

It limits playstyles because crafteds are limited, people don't have time to grind out usable purples

[icy knot]

Purple not even legendary anymore....

[opaque sinew]

Wasting hundreds of Ruby barbuta or grimmies to get a usable one is not fun

In purple tier, crafteds are best and rest is not

Like, swinging purple arming sword against someone using spectral soyblade gonna make obvious who has more dps and defence

Crafting feels only gold dump, they should fix that before ssf arena

So, it's arena with gambling

[brisk junco]

@keen onyx @hollow creek why are we trying to push ssf arena for the 3rd or 4th time? i guess making same mistakes over and over again has always been the dev cycle for this game.

[icy knot]

SSF arena W change

[stark cosmos]

ssf arena W change AT THE START OF THE WIPE MAN.

[opaque sinew]

@keen onyx don't listen to this guy

[icy knot]

sdf is my unc

[warm temple]

So i went from a steady 100 fps to 50 and sometimes even less than 30 while bossing stingray for example game doesnt feel that playable anymore.

[icy knot]

#📢announcements message

[warm temple]

thought they were referring to bugs more than performance issues but i can only hope

since the gear bug looks like a big issue

[willow jetty]

Great performance update right

They broke the game

[muted rapids]

sugma

[sterile zodiac]

They should improve their server system so that the game doesn’t always take 2 whole hours or longer to update.

I don’t think there are any other live service games that shut down their servers for 2 or 4 hours every time they need to update the game.

It’s been 5 years since the beginning of DaD already

[icy knot]

Mid wipe event:
You can play HR but you are not losing items just like in arena

[upper karma]

end of wipe event. artifacts and uniques in squire merchant

[grizzled oriole]

Someone had never heard of World of Warcraft...

[icy knot]

You could make Expressman have multiple possible spawn locations instead of just one fixed spot.
but maps are random, FoW might come back so I don't know if thats necessary

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/683219/mini-games-mid-wipe-event

[frosty juniper]

delete water map

[sterile zodiac]

Never.

[limpid tartan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/683240/wizard-staff-mastery-rework-crystal-weapon-master

[naive orchid]

Any tips for sting ray

[limpid tartan]

I think both Vincent and Katie have a youtube video explaining the fight, that's probably your best resource.

[naive orchid]

I watched em just wanna talk to someone who has done it to get more questions in

[teal creek]

Hit me but im going to bed rn

[naive orchid]

Big bet lmk when u up

[icy knot]

If you are gonna expand water map I hope you are gonna make huge module docks you can move across by walking

[whole vigil]

IM can you please give fighter gear with both str and dex preferably pants, make stefan berret and ornate jazerant available to all classes, change half northern tunic to str/dex, we already have briggandine for agi/dex, change templar to will/str instead of just will, give sorc the vigor/will chest piece.

[icy knot]

@keen onyx
Balance Updates
Ranger

• Purge Shot now triggers on every second hit.

Warlock

• Immortal Lament HP activation increased from 5% to 10%.

Druid

• The Rat's plague effect now ticks every 3 seconds, dealing 2 Dark Magical Base Damage over 40 seconds.
• The Penguin "Water Cannon" animation has been quickened

[willow jetty]

Fix water map @keen onyx its unplayable you made it x2 as laggy after the "performance" update

[alpine violet]

Honestly, changing the arena requirements mid-season and fucking EVERYONE who grinded their arena kits is one of the most inconsiderate things you've done recently. It shows that you don't deserve a community of faithful, non-toxic players.

Your game is quite good mechanically and your aesthetics have only gotten better over time. The combat in this game has been fine tuned and is my main reason for playing the game. HOWEVER, this game is ONLY truly enjoyable with a large player pool to play with because of how collaborative the game is. You have lost trust with your community and the player base is shot to hell. Changing the arena requirements without warning midseason is a perfect example of a reason why most players have moved on to other games and are OVER INVESTING THEIR TIME AND ENERGY IN YOUR GAME.

I don't know your solution aside from actually learning from your mistakes, but I don't foresee your community trusting you all anymore. I know I don't. I am currently just waiting for a better version of this game to come out, which is just a matter of time tbh.

Community creates Longevity for online games.

P.S. I AM FURIOUS THAT I CANT USE MY ARENA TAILORED KITS FOR ARENA ANYMORE. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE.

[midnight sierra]

wonder why they didnt use test servers...

[icy knot]

mid-season? its end of the season. 80% of playerbase is gone
only 20% PVE players stayed to fight mobs that they struggle with

[teal creek]

or run literally anything by the playerbase before just doing it

[brisk junco]

actually the season hasn't even started yet

[proven jacinth]

sell the game already

[zealous sparrow]

Can we have a squire arena que while we are changing rules mid season?

[icy knot]

you can't do that. <@&988703997378584596>

I hope gear diff between crafted epics and normal epics will be reduced, and gear diff between crafted purples and legendary stays somehow the same.
As crafted epics are way too powerful compered to normal epics that you can find in the dungeon. So people will just craft gear. Those that don't have a job and can continue to craft better gear will gear diff average players.

I hope this arena test will give you enough I insight what needs to change.

[naive orchid]

Does anybody know the stingray egg drop rate highroller vs normals?

[ivory quartz]

buddy SDF has been doing this since the game came out. this isnt new

[frosty juniper]

@keen onyx please reconsider to not change arena gear rules mid wipe because people have already farmed their gear for this season. Making us go farm to craft epic sets to get new bis with only few weeks left until wipe is not very nice and doesnt consider our time already spent farming. Most players are really hyped about the change, it just comes at the completely wrong time.

many people like to play more than one class aswell, and that has pretty much been canceled for season 7 because most ppl wont farm multiple sets for the classes they play

at least not when wipe is probably like a month away or so

[icy knot]

i don't see people complaining about wiping their items every 3 months
maybe we need semi-wipe instead? ||it's a joke, pls don't do this||

[spark marsh]

@keen onyx @hollow creek
Fix the lack of crafting: short sword, arming sword, armour for leather fighter.
Fix the lack of an artefact in the fighter's left hand (not a shield. weapon).

[midnight sierra]

use test server instead of live for updates or "fixes"

[icy knot]

no

[teal creek]

delete purge shot

[zealous sparrow]

My arena team all has no enthusiasm for playing since the upcoming changes

[ionic marten]

whats on the test server

[polar bough]

Invest in Jynxi so he can stream the game

[ruby sonnet]

Well it's not going to be a team anymore next week

[queen isle]

1. theres plenty of crafts for leather fighter
2. deathbloom, zirkzi (not really a lot of offhand artifacts in general though)

[icy knot]

Show us what you have cooked. I'm hungry

[midnight sierra]

day 2: use test servers instead of live for data

[sterile zodiac]

I’ve been beating people who have BIS oranges and crafted purples as a regular blue bis fighter.

The biggest gear difference issue I’ve faced has been movement speed issues from frostlight.

Mmr rank is ~1600 at the moment.

[abstract bone]

not nearly enough ppl play test server to actually test things and they're against giving incentivzed rewards for testing.

[midnight sierra]

side note: dev should play test servers

[abstract bone]

the devs dont even play the game doubt we could get them on the test server.

[midnight sierra]

I though sdf played druid?

[abstract bone]

hell nah lol. the 11 back to back nerfs to it finally be broken with a minor little buff after fundamentally changing howw the class works. on top of it for about 8 months there was several bugs just left unfix. big one still being animals forms are abirtually capped at 315/320 MS depending on ur perks

last classes SDF was seen playing was a stream couple months back he spent about 20 minutes on druid complained about being bad at druid then played fighter/ranger the rest of the 2 hour stream ;p

[icy knot]

If SDF decides to increase gear diff because of this guy #suggestion-discussion message

I failed

[abstract bone]

Fighter moment fr

[ashen canopy]

THEY SHOULD ADD A PROPELLER HAT

[whole vigil]

are they gonna nerf purge shot or what, that thing is broken af

[spark marsh]

1. Go check it out, play around with it, and see how it works.
2. A fighter without a perk for someone else's weapon can't equip it.

[spark marsh]

1. Create a character, take a perk, and go to crafts. Let's see how many useful items you can create for your set. + No solid breastplates. You cannot collect more than two items from one set.

[queen isle]

"no more than two items from one set"
that literally wont matter in game

[spark marsh]

They say there's no point arguing with fools. All the best.

[queen isle]

results to insults = arguement lost, cya

[icy knot]

Let thrown drum apply on hit effects like BOC = skill expression

[spark marsh]

You have lost the argument. I presented my arguments, and you only confirmed my words. But you did not accept the arguments. After all, it is "not important." I did not come here to argue. I came to the developer with facts.
And if you want to check my arguments, the instructions are above.

[naive orchid]

I’m confused on what yall talking about

[queen isle]

they want somebody to build them a slayer fighter kit with dumb limitations, and I decided not to do it for them, so they started using insults

[spark marsh]

He's lying. I wrote this message to the developer, and he started arguing that I was wrong. #suggestion-discussion message

He did not provide any arguments.

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1445500985500893214
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446508221362602055
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446584275297370276

Some of my arguments are outlined here.

@keen onyx @hollow creek @dawn grotto

[naive orchid]

So you want double artifacts in fighters hands

[spark marsh]

Yes. Imagine that you only have half of Fulgor. Or... Tsvanhaider. Left-clicking deals artefact damage, while right-clicking strikes like a normal weapon. And in your combat mechanics, you need to right-click more often... ability to craft an arming sword and a short sword.

[whole vigil]

CAN WE GET ONE PIECE OF GEAR WITH BOTH STR AND DEX FOR FIGHTER, ffs

[icy knot]

Who cares about artifacts. Only 1% of players will use them.

[upper karma]

Maybe if drop rates weren't so terrible🥱

[spark marsh]

In my case, there is no purple craft weapon either. Well, yes, I usually pick up an artefact every season. The artefact arena was cool, for example.

[icy knot]

hey Emote Guy
the only thing I don't like about lobby emotes is that they are gone after few seconds. Take "Yielding to Rest" for example i press it and I expect to lay on table till I stop it...

[teal creek]

delete purge shot

[scenic cape]

delete bards

[icy knot]

tavern table talk!
I wanna see my unc

also let graysun show us some content earlier pls 🙏

[spark marsh]

Let's bring back the tavern and add a New Year's tree. We'll dance around it.

[vagrant hemlock]

La verdad quería dejar esta sugerencia porque como jugador de Rogue me genera bastante frustración el cambio que le hicieron a la pasiva de los pasos. Antes tener pasos totalmente silenciosos era parte esencial de la identidad de la clase, no algo roto, sino lo que realmente la hacía única y viable.

Ahora que solo es una reducción de ruido, se siente como que el Rogue perdió su esencia. En un juego donde el sonido lo es casi todo, esa diferencia se nota muchísimo y deja a la clase en clara desventaja frente a otras.

Sinceramente me gustaría que devuelvan la pasiva como estaba antes, con silencio total. No era un beneficio gratuito, era una mecánica clave que requería buen posicionamiento y timing. Hoy en día el Rogue se siente más castigado que recompensado por jugar bien.

Ojalá lo reconsideren, porque este cambio le sacó mucha personalidad y diversión a la clase.

[icy knot]

`I really wanted to leave this suggestion because, as a Rogue player, I find the change they made to the passive ability of footsteps quite frustrating. Before, having completely silent footsteps was an essential part of the class's identity, not something broken, but what really made it unique and viable.

Now that it's just noise reduction, it feels like the Rogue has lost its essence. In a game where sound is almost everything, that difference is very noticeable and puts the class at a clear disadvantage compared to others.

I would honestly like to see the passive ability returned to how it was before, with total silence. It wasn't a free benefit; it was a key mechanic that required good positioning and timing. Today, the Rogue feels more punished than rewarded for playing well.

I hope they reconsider, because this change has taken away a lot of the class's personality and fun.`

Landmine rogue: the most unfair playstyle

[weak girder]

I tried it, every lobby had esp warlocks and it didnt go so well for me tbh 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Every lobby on eu frank had cheaters when i tried it 🤦🏻‍♂️

Tldr game needs better anti cheat 🤦🏻‍♂️

[icy knot]

How are you guys encountering so many cheaters. I would love to record some

[warm temple]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/684092/too-many-rats-and-its-killing-the-game

[calm lichen]

cast fireball everytime you are about to turn a corner or open a door

[icy knot]

and buy 50 ghostdust powder every game yea

[whole vigil]

I agree, that perk should never exist for ranger, very broken

[icy knot]

• Ranger Purge Shot changed to trigger on every third shot*

[whole vigil]

how are they gonna implement that, Its just easier for these lazy devs to put it back as a skill, or give it a 1 min cooldown

can we get 1 piece of gear with both str and dex for fighter, why is most of fighter gear have useless stats, and make recurve native.

[warm temple]

i mean they already have something that stacks and burst in 3's like for example deathbloom and the sorcerer trait

[opaque sinew]

Just make it a skill

[icy knot]

can't happen

[abstract bone]

Fighter needing more stuff when its already the most picked class 😩

[whole vigil]

asking for dex with str will not break the class, fighter already gets out dps by everyone already. class is trash, getting 2 shot by barbs, cleric, bear druid, weakpoint rogue, casters, etc. while doing no damage in return.

[abstract bone]

Today on things that don't happen. Maybe if ur a squire slayer fighter with no brain.

[whole vigil]

I got 2 shot in squire to riches by a felling barb, that happens more times than you think

[abstract bone]

everyone gets 2 shot in squire to riches ur in squire gear in a game balanced around stats.

[whole vigil]

you say that but when I attack ppl they need 5 hits or more

fought a squire wiz that tanked 3 hits with longsword, he did two explosion and i am dead, fighter is garbage

[abstract bone]

Fighter is literally the most played class bro. its not garbage you are.

[whole vigil]

it is garbage

[abstract bone]

Fighter is quite literally the easiest class to get into learn and start winning with. always has been always will be.

[whole vigil]

unless they remove the useless knowledge points from fighter and put them into str or dex, fighter will always be garbage

[abstract bone]

LOL okay you need a break from the game obviously.

ur so doomer mindset about ur main that ur blaming effectively a nothingburger because ur not playing it right. Fighter is insanely good rn and always will be unless they add more MS to plate gear readd weapon mastery as a perk and nerf slayer fighters magic dmg.

[whole vigil]

bard is better fighter than fighter, I can get more ms, action speed, damage, mdr, can debuff and can easily out dps any fighter and have access to a bow too without wasting a perk slot

[abstract bone]

lol im done ur clearly dead set that ur bad at the game but wanna blame it on the class get good twin.

[whole vigil]

class is trash, I have better luck playing these psbag kite casters than fighter

[brisk junco]

Ts to funny hahaha fighter buff when

[icy knot]

If devs are planning to allocate stat points like that -5 knowlade Barb change. How about you devs make knowledge more useful for all classes. Link it to FOW radious reveal? Easier opening things with Lockpick? Idk

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats

[full patrol]

Maybe don't block explosions with your face?

[zenith raven]

Please create Rat Race that gives resource so we can actually have Rat Rogues

[patent mauve]

Real

[icy knot]

warlock demon using his wings when?
weaker double jump?
or just higher jump overall?

[glass orchid]

how much is a good pulv rn

[teal creek]

the invincible stingray bug is still in full effect

[queen niche]

Make squire to riches exclusively ruins, or allow poeple to opt out of certain maps. Since last patch my frames on water map dropped significantly. Can't play pvp with 30 fps.

[abstract bone]

nah they just need to fix performance issues

[jolly mauve]

Buff sorc, it’s still useless

[icy knot]

Show us some new content. start talking abou it 🙏

[spark marsh]

Add a tavern before the New Year and put a Christmas tree there. We'll have fun looking for and waiting for a match, rather than in the lobby.

Hide clothing by dressing players in squire's clothing.

[weary creek]

"season 7 adventure rank rewards are revealed" are they though?? Am i missing something??

[teal creek]

These changes are so bizarre

More bugfixes not actually affecting gameplay for most people or at least critical things like invincible or bugged bosses

Long looting times

Changing basic looting mechanics that have been around since the start of the game

Fat goose egg for improving balance or overall player experience

This dev team deserves the criticism

Krampus seems cool anyway

[icy knot]

Community hating looting change for no reason.

Community hating anything they can

[last escarp]

Probably not the best idea to do forced solo arena That was my main way of playing the game for this entire season the amount of hateful things people say is actually wild and that shouldn’t be forced on anyone and because of the balance it’s just range classes which creates even more toxicity because people are frustrated

[upper karma]

Roll back servers. Bard is broken, how did that even happen good God.

[icy knot]

what if there was a very small chance to meet Krampus in the dungeon
but not as a killable mob
you added krampus as player skin why.

[teal creek]

there are plenty of reasons dawg

why are we cutting into basic pve efficiency because of pvp ratting that makes zero sense

[icy knot]

lol looting got reverted lets hate

[full patrol]

I think being mad about other players choosing to rat and pick up scraps in HR makes zero sense.

[teal creek]

why?

you risk and put effort into your kills

these ratfuckers show up and take your shit for little risk and no effort

what is hard to understand

[full patrol]

And they are in the same dungeon as you, same risk as you, and you get mad because they are putting effort into their skills, just like you. The only difference is that you manufacture outrage over imaginary quantifiable 'risk', in their direction.

So ya, it's hard to understand and makes zero sense. lol

[teal creek]

no?

the whole point of rat is that they take shit with minimal risk to themselves,

using mechanics that make avoidance far easier for them than it is for you,

while you are weakened and likely being third partied

[full patrol]

Like I said, I don't get it. I never said you couldn't have your feels about it, I just said it makes no sense. They're playing their game how they want to play it, using their class skills, just like you. And ya, rogues, and other classes, have an avoidance mechanic, as you call it, most call it a skill. lol If you want one, you can play rogue too, nothing in the rules says you can't.

Being 3rd partied can happen with any class, so that's irrelevant.

Using the market is the least risk of all, I don't hear you complaining about that one.

[teal creek]

Like I said, I don't get it.

yeah, no kidding

[full patrol]

So you want to evaluate every class to make sure they all have equal risk in your eyes? Would that be better?

Maybe...A RISK METER!!! If you fail to reach the red zone on your risk meter, you fail the dungeon and don't make it out with any gear.

[teal creek]

you are not a real person

[full patrol]

I am, I'm just not a chronic complainer. If someone wants play this game differently than I do, it doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it different. No skin off my back.

[teal creek]

this is buck wild my guy, you're telling me you can't understand how people fighting each other in bis would be mad that people in piss can just cheese their kills?

[full patrol]

Why did you leave gear on your kills?? And why do you care who comes behind you and cleans up your scraps?

[teal creek]

"scraps" aren't the issue here and never were

[full patrol]

Would you feel better if those rats wore bis?

How do you know they are in squire gear?

[teal creek]

gee guy it couldn't be all the clips running through class chats about hide/smoke pot rogues taking their shit during a third party

[full patrol]

Oh..ok, you just hate that rogues are being played like...rogues, got it.

[teal creek]

there's a skill and risk asymmetry, i don't see why addressing that through making looting harder for

not-your-kill is somehow problematic for the game

if the rats quit, nothing of value is lost

[opaque sinew]

That's not how rouge played

[teal creek]

no no you see we need consistency with class lore over game mechanics that make sense

[full patrol]

No we don't. You're just po'd because you believe someone is getting some shit for less risk than you, even though the market place is the least amount of risk.

[full patrol]

I must have missed the rules on how to play rogue...can you point me to where I can find those please?

[icy knot]

[teal creek]

what are you on about with the marketplace

[full patrol]

Doesn't get much less risky than the market place, right?? Yet you never mention that one in your 'risk assessment'.

[teal creek]

bro what are you talking about
what does the marketplace have to do with anything

[opaque sinew]

He doesn't have basic cognitive function to know right, arguing with it is pointless

[icy knot]

[opaque sinew]

Just give up bro, let him win

[teal creek]

he's trying to draw an equivalence between playing market simulator and ratting, versus risking your bis

saying that market should be banned too (by my logic, supposedly) since you can make money without risk?

actual no gears in that watch

[full patrol]

Or you can keep crying about rat rogues and how you think other people should play them.

Class envy, sounds like.

[teal creek]

ratfucker always got to justify his ratfucking

[full patrol]

Fair is fair, play a rogue!! Enjoy the ratting or whatever they call it. lol

I don't play rogue, too difficult for me. But I don't begrudge those who do play them or their individual play styles.

[teal creek]

barb brain

[full patrol]

Ranger brain, actually. lol That make you feel better??

I think my barb is lvl 12? I just can't get the timing down with the axes, not a fan.

[queen harbor]

Let's stay respectful, folks.

[icy knot]

oh no
warden has followed me
imma go to jail

[full patrol]

There you go!!!!

Learn it, live it.

[teal creek]

show some respect for people who take the time to buy kits and risk them in actual fights

ban rat play

[full patrol]

I stand behind that, you can put it back up.

Don't put Fishu in jail!!

[teal creek]

stingray still broken, what a joke

[wanton jewel]

Honestly a skill issue... if youre upset about rats maybe you shoulda got a cleaner kill nerd so you could loot it afterwards.... honestly its part of the game it always will be and youre just upset about the fact youre playing a dead game... dont blame ratting on why the game sucks. The game sucks because gear doesnt really feel valuable. It never has since patch 68 just like sdf said "his vision wasnt wrong just the wrong approach" which is why the game sucks because he doesnt understand that his "vision" makes the game boring. ggs keep dying to timmys cuz you suck tho and anyone with any sanity left will install a new game.

[wise basin]

Honestly a skill issue... if youre upset about rats maybe you shoulda got a cleaner kill nerd so you could loot it afterwards.... honestly its part of the game it always will be and youre just upset about the fact youre playing a dead game... dont blame ratting on why the game sucks. The game sucks because gear doesnt really feel valuable. It never has since patch 68 just like sdf said "his vision wasnt wrong just the wrong approach" which is why the game sucks because he doesnt understand that his "vision" makes the game boring. ggs keep dying to timmys cuz you suck tho and anyone with any sanity left will install a new game.

[opaque sinew]

Honestly a skill issue... if youre upset about rats maybe you shoulda got a cleaner kill nerd so you could loot it afterwards.... honestly its part of the game it always will be and youre just upset about the fact youre playing a dead game... dont blame ratting on why the game sucks. The game sucks because gear doesnt really feel valuable. It never has since patch 68 just like sdf said "his vision wasnt wrong just the wrong approach" which is why the game sucks because he doesnt understand that his "vision" makes the game boring. ggs keep dying to timmys cuz you suck tho and anyone with any sanity left will install a new game.

[light flume]

Honestly a skill issue... if youre upset about rats maybe you shoulda got a cleaner kill nerd so you could loot it afterwards.... honestly its part of the game it always will be and youre just upset about the fact youre playing a dead game... dont blame ratting on why the game sucks. The game sucks because gear doesnt really feel valuable. It never has since patch 68 just like sdf said "his vision wasnt wrong just the wrong approach" which is why the game sucks because he doesnt understand that his "vision" makes the game boring. ggs keep dying to timmys cuz you suck tho and anyone with any sanity left will install a new game.

[icy knot]

someone called reinforcements

[icy knot]

I hope Those incoming new POI in the dungeon will be good

imagine how good this game would be if you just focused on dungeon experience
fog of war with maps
npcs
crazy shi

[naive orchid]

Bro … go play arc raiders…. 😭🤣🫵🏻

[neon sentinel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/684781/item-skins-should-still-show-rarity-quality

Made a suggestion in response to the new shield skins.
The skins look amazing BUT i think it's sad that they overwrite the outward representation of gear quality. a junk tier heater looks the exact same as a legendary heater with the skin applied.

The skins themselves are great, but the reduction of immersive elements and information available at a glance is a small addition to the enshitification of DaD

[teal creek]

gave you an upvote this is quality

[neon sentinel]

Thank you!

[ionic marten]

why do these new arena modules have so many pve mobs? literally got like 3 wraiths and 2 centaurs running around

[icy knot]

Dark offering might require some nerfs or another rework

[icy knot]

You definitely need to nerf it's bonuses(20%-40%)

How about you give it 4ticks so it's not painful to use it.
If it would take 25%HP per tick you could allow it to be refreshable like before. And than you could just play with cooldown. So player has to refresh it more often.

[gloomy abyss]

please stop focusing on PvP part of the game, make pve and dungeon experience more interesting

[teal creek]

Given what they've done to arena do you really trust them to do that

[stark cosmos]

Account wide ssf instead of charecter ssf for arena

[opaque sinew]

No.

[merry gazelle]

SSF towards the end of the wipe.... you guys trying to kill the game even more?

I keep advocating for this game but I think I am done now. @keen onyx not sure why you are sabotaging your own ship

[icy knot]

if you guys have nothing to do which i doubt
you guys could do something with magical power bonus having such a small impact on torture mastery
#warlock message

• altho you could jsut remove magical power having any kind of influence on calcualtion as very small nerf
• or you could replace magical power bonus with different stat if you want another TM playstyle to appear(maybe TM usable for tanky lock)
• or do nothing as its well balance so whats the point of changing it

[ivory quartz]

here is a suggestion to save the game. Remove solos and duos from regular match selection. Remove adventure mode as well.
Then make Squires to riches a solo only mode.

Now we will have appropriate match making compression, for the lower playerbase.

[abstract bone]

already tried and it failed.

[icy knot]

Can't wait for tavern table episode

[icy knot]

yo actually do this
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/684833/bigger-size-bears
altho there are more important things to do than this

[icy knot]

how about adding a perk that allows some magic class to have 1 or 2 additional spell slots in spell wheels?

or give it to druid transformation wheel

[mint cedar]

Hey folks, I love the new base gear system that's been added to the game. However, these base loadouts should persist through wipes. That would help lower the barrier for players jumping right back into the game or trying new classes. If you agree drop a vote, if you disagree let me know why! Thanks. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/685091/base-gear-sets-should-persist-through-wipes

[icy knot]

in league player can create and save his own perk setup or whatever its called there. maybe devs can cook something similar with gear, perks, skills in one save
but then what about progression system. its all so complicated

[hollow finch]

The arena match making system seems a little off. It seems like there is usually a team of higher rating and a team of lower rating, there isn't a balance of mmr between the matchups even though everyone is solo queued above 2200.

[eager anchor]

spent hella gold on creating kits and now i can't use them?

[abstract bone]

Yes

[spark marsh]

Terrible drops. You have to watch a 10-hour stream for a useless maximum reward.

[whole vigil]

mainly because there arent that many ppl playing at that time

[hollow finch]

Understand that, but I feel like there should be an algorithm to balance the mmr between teams

[full patrol]

Que it up, minimize. No one forcing you to watch twitch, drama queen.

[full patrol]

But true on the garbage rewards...that's just BS.

@sdf More minions in arena please. And make them Nightmare only. Thanks.

[boreal glen]

every class should be able to use survival bow

[boreal glen]

worst drops to date

[lyric needle]

In random trios there should be an option to leave your party for a new one once you go red

[mint cedar]

I disagree with this, it over complicates what should be a simple system. If you don't like your party don't do fill or take a blue exit.

[lyric needle]

I will only know if I like my party once I do fill. And most of them won't go red. So I'm stuck watching them go blue. Which is the actual problem.

[pseudo spear]

can artifacts drop in adveture HR

[mint cedar]

I think thats part of how fill should work, you shouldn't be forced to continue or not, its part of the risk.

[frosty juniper]

Remove crafting from SSF, or put it back to legendary minumum. This crafted ssf 3/4 into wipe is so out of touch with what shouldve happened that im actually amazed.

[opaque sinew]

Thank god devs don't check this place

[frosty juniper]

enjoy <2k online when its the holidays then

of which like 60% is asia

I had 6+ min queues last night at like 22pm my time in arena and it was my 10 placements games.

cant even get warlords rank in some regions, the only EU players who got it last season got it by playing on a different region where there are other players.

But yes this dude thinks we should make it even harder for people to participate

[wanton jewel]

lol enjoy your 500 player game 😂😂😂 sounds like arc raider stole all the players left playing this shit pile of a game. It’s okay I won’t waste my time with either.

[full patrol]

It's been my experience, that any Adventure Mode has an extremely bastardized loot table.

[naive orchid]

I'm happy for ya

[mint cedar]

Why is SSF crafting a problem?

[mint cedar]

He's 100% right. Banning rat play is an insane take. Full stop. Just because people play in a way you don't like or agree with doesn't mean they should be banned if they're not violating the basic rules. No video game takes that approach because it's delusional levels of thinking.

[naive orchid]

Bro . Full stop. this was 4 days ago

[whole vigil]

can you give fighter a dex/str gear atleast 1 like why is there none, make it pants. or just make it available to all classes, vigor is garbage gemming hp is better, either add new dex/str gear or replace some gear with str/vig to str/dex

[brave nova]

Utility spell slots idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/685505/utility-spell-slots

[teal creek]

monster-and-sub-boss summoning shrine/portal, for dungeon

if we get construction, make one buildable and time gate it to once every hour or whatever is appropriate

put a monster remnant in its storage and it takes a couple seconds to summon that monster for questing or better loot

[abstract bone]

give fighter some nerfs maybe some penalties back on perks. like taking swift reduces action speed by -10% or weapon mastery doing reduced magic dmg again so demon glee isn't a thing thx @keen onyx

[whole vigil]

braindead takes right here, fighter already a garbage class, they should just make demon glee not have magic damage, problem solved

[abstract bone]

65% PDR 300 MS in squire gear then longsword parry for an easy 120~ dmg on a player with 35% PDR (a little more than average for most classes)

10 buffs to support it at the start of wipe as the most picked rate class cause its the easiest and strongest to get into but yeah its the garbage class

[whole vigil]

what in the bs did I just read, are we even playing the same game

[opaque sinew]

Flat wrong

[abstract bone]

thats squire ingame guys. you can go recreate it urself if u want.only difference might be damage cuz some guys just struggle to use a longsword properly.

[whole vigil]

cant argue with someone spewing lies so easily like that

[opaque sinew]

I've stop feeding the bait if i we're you

[abstract bone]

clearly you guys don't play the game 😆

[whole vigil]

yeah hes 100% rage baiting, guy never played fighter

[abstract bone]

i didn't play fighter until this wipe and its just disgusting what 10 buffs + tons of new gear access does to a class but yeah lets give it even more cuz ur bad at the game

[whole vigil]

ill play barb and druid and destroy you as any fighter build even the glee build your scared from, lmao

[abstract bone]

as a druid ill poke you twice in the head and ur dead barb ill just kite you until you make the mistake of eventually popping a potion then i just 3 shot you 🙂

[whole vigil]

your def braindead I am talking about me being barb or druid destroying you playing the alleged op "fighter", also you just proved my point lmao

[abstract bone]

Lol you perfectly described urself. you can't read so gl bud.

[brave nova]

After Taunt + Adrenaline, I take it?

[abstract bone]

Just armor perks and longsword block

[opaque sinew]

Even, not possible

[abstract bone]

taunt gets it like 70% didn't even bother with adrenaline

[opaque sinew]

He's just spitting lies, don't believe that invidual

[naive orchid]

Bro don’t play the game no more he an arc raider

[opaque sinew]

I can't post it here but full gold bis plate gear fighter gets 75 all his abilites and perks up while having 174 ms because of block position

[abstract bone]

Fighter players trynna gaslight will always be the funniest shit.

[naive orchid]

Arc raiders inna dnd discord gotta be the funniest imo

[full patrol]

@keen onyx More minions in arena please, and make them all Nightmare level. Thanks.

[naive orchid]

and take crafted gear away thank you.

[zealous pawn]

Buff sorc. The class is absolute shite atm

[loud dawn]

Nerf Cleanse for cleric. Should do actually nothing as opposed to what it does now (seemingly nothing)

[devout basalt]

Remove the ability to invis mobs in PVE with wizard, only griefing, no benefit

[trail sentinel]

Buff merge sorc

[whole vigil]

buff melee sorc, nerf caster sorc

[acoustic ruin]

fix longsword repost please

[sterile zodiac]

These are my ideas to cure the nasty kiting plague:

1 - They should make it so that previously opened doors fling open easily and that keeping them closed requires active effort from the runner's part. Think pressing f and standing on it. This prevents them from doing a full reset and keep running.
2 - Add a stamina bar and tie it's increase to vigor instead of agility. This way most melee classes will actually catch up eventually because the speedsters keep choosing to dump all stats into agility for movement speed and their "fast" movement will be a strategic choice as opposed to a invincibility trump card.

[loud forge]

I think adding a craftable Morning Star is long overdue, and with the water map being released this past season I think a water themed craft would be cool maybe using urchin needles or puffer fish for the spikes on the morning star making it do some sort of extra armor pen or poison dmg 🙂

[opaque sinew]

🗣️ 💯

[full patrol]

My idea for doors was that every time they are opened or closed, there is an ever increasing chance for them to break, in either the open or closed position. I think this would stop a lot of the extended door BS.

[sterile zodiac]

Leaving it to chance will lead to a lot of saltiness and misery.

[sterile zodiac]

That would be great. Personally I think they need to add silver variants to all weapons.

[full patrol]

Maybe, but it's realistic. How people feel about it, is their problem. It'll stop that open/close/open/close/open/close, rinse repeat style of game play. And the chance that it could be 'broken' in the open or closed position might change a fight entirely.

[sterile zodiac]

Or maybe they could simply add more variants of doors so no t each door needs to be hit 4-8 times before it breaks.

[random depot]

Mobs in HR should have a chance to spawn Nightmare. 65% of mobs should be standard normal mobs. The other 35% should be NM. All people do anyway is complain on stream how HR mobs are cancer anyway. I get the idea that we don't just want people bypassing modules just to pvp but later in the cycle of a season when most people are swimming in gear pvp is all they want. Could make the a more pleaseant pace and in HR while still keeping NM mobs and HR harder in line with its rewards.

[abstract bone]

or they just remove the body modifiers for pve to players and players to pve so we aren't taking nearly double the intended dmg of when they were created.

[random depot]

I like that idea too

[teal creek]

@keen onyx i know you want people to learn your new content, but could we have made the crimson torch skin not so soul draining to attempt

you either play pve 10 billion times and spend hours of your life crossing the map

or you play hr and just get snuck up on because you can't hear shit for a fuck while fighting the boss but they know you're doing it

[naive orchid]

Keep the torch rare !!!

[queen isle]

Its going to be in the shop weither you like it or not, they do it with all the quest reward items.

[whole vigil]

lmao who tf cares about these cosmetic bs, can we get some balance and new content updates anytime soon or are these devs sleeping

[icy halo]

Yo, i want to propose something.
What about making a new game mode, based on small maps, where 3 teams fight to access a boss room.
That will allow regular content, quick games that combine pvp and pve, and good rewards for being the wining team.

[mint cedar]

Do we know why they think it's a good idea having 34 different Ques going at once? Are they testing all of them to see which are more popular?

[wraith viper]

GIVE BARB LEAP SLAM

[whole vigil]

nerf barb reckless

[teal creek]

we still haven't fixed the "spawn in different dungeon than you entered" bug, like, what are we doing

[queen isle]

?

[opaque sinew]

Yep, i've seen that one

When you go red in ice caves, you can spawn in crypts for a chance.

[teal creek]

go down in ices and you can get crypts

go down in crypts and you can get ices

[queen isle]

since when is that a bug? never had it happen, or seen it happen

[teal creek]

this season at least

[queen isle]

video?

[teal creek]

bro i cant record without obs dropping my fps by a billion

[opaque sinew]

Trust, it happens

But very rare and i do not know what triggers it

[teal creek]

"no populated dungeons of that type, send this man where he doesnt belong"

[dreamy crag]

Transaction history of last like 20 items you've bought/sold on market would be cool

[leaden latch]

@keen onyx remove rating restrictions in arena you dumb c un t

[spark marsh]

I heard Ironmace is having problems with Nexon again. Let's pray that this legal wrangling ends. And that the developers have collected enough to finally be left alone.

[icy knot]

#warlock message
Kinda wish Dark Reflection kills gave back a darkness shard. It's annoying when you get hit by one mob, you lose all your shards and then he dies because he was already that low.

[hollow finch]

Please fix the algorithm for arena matchmaking so that team average rating is as equivalent as possible

[icy knot]

there are not enough players to play arena currently for your arena match to be fair

[noble mantle]

SO MANY BAD TAKES IN HERE HOLY

[abstract bone]

its a really good thing devs never read this channel

[whole vigil]

NERF RECKLESS AND WEAKPOINT FFS

[icy knot]

maybe give warlock a gun
if it doesn't look good you can remove it before next season starts.
it would be cool if it could apply BOC debuff but without dealing BOC damage for balance purposes.

[opaque sinew]

Throwen lantern should apply effect of special abilites like: achilles, boc, shield slam, smite, weakpoint but not give damage of the effect, just debuff (like anti-heal from boc, slow from achilles and shield bash)

[ripe belfry]

Remove move speed reduction when casting spells on sorcerer and make merge a built in thing for sorc not a perk

[pliant crown]

Give us hints for the puzzle

[whole vigil]

hell no

[opaque sinew]

Nah, ms reduction must have for balance, just buff merge and make it innate

[whole vigil]

btw they have a perk for that too cast speed ms

[ripe belfry]

Yes the class is the worst caster in terms of DPS and requires 4 or more spells landed to kill a class where move speed decides if they are allowed to play the game

Land mines and skills that help classes achieve 326 or more move speed guarantee sorc is free kill

[whole vigil]

your just bad, sorc does so much damage even in squire, also sorc has a bunch of spells to stop/push ppl away

[ripe belfry]

This may be a shock to all of us but did you know a shield can block all of sorcs non AOE spells

[whole vigil]

shields are very easy to work around, shields are useless and just helps the sorc to move faster than shield users

[ripe belfry]

Sure you get 5% move speed bonus after a merged spell for 2 only 2 seconds using merged might it does not mean anything when the move speed reduction from being hit by physical DMG weapons or projectiles aka throwing axe or throwing knives basically negates that boost

[whole vigil]

lmao, even spells have ms penalty when getting hit what is your point, just dodge those slow projectiles

[ripe belfry]

If you play sorc you know sorcs counters and when you don't play sorc and die in raid to them over and over because of not knowing what they can do that's when you get mixed balance changes

[ripe belfry]

There is no way on gods green earth you think projectiles are slower than spells only exception is maybe throwing axes being slightly slower

[whole vigil]

I am talking about throwables and surv bow is slower than elemental bolt or slightly same speed

[ripe belfry]

Whats better 8 projectiles fired in rapid succession all doing 30 or more DMG or one elemental bolt every 18 seconds that can maybe do 100 or more DMG on head shot
Don't forget sorc wears cloth and leather so 3 shots kill you

[whole vigil]

not against surv bow, even sorc can tank more than 3 shots

[ripe belfry]

No cooldown on surv bow btw or any bow for that matter let alone no bow sway so they can hold down a fully drawn bow for as long as they want

[whole vigil]

lmao, there is no point arguing with you

[ripe belfry]

Cuz I'm speaking facts ?

In a game where being able to widdle someone down from a distance and not being able to push them let alone return fire is the vision

You guys must have seen sorc in every raid and arena game recently huh

[whole vigil]

this game is not for you bro, why not try a shooter, only cooldown there is when you need to reload, lmao

[ripe belfry]

Bro described ranger ? 😕

Regardless of how everyone thinks at the end of the day if you want to improve in a game and review what you did in a fight and you know you died because you didn't do x it is a you issue and the class that killed you is not busted or op

This is common sense if you have the mental capacity to want and desire growth

Now with that said what is overpowered about a class if you decide to fight them without knowing what they are capable of knowledge is surprisingly part of the battle just like having knowledge of how to kill a boss in the game

Sorc is currently incapable of fending off a 323 move speed rogue or a 318 move speed rogue because 1 the gap can be closed relatively fast you can double jump almost all sorcs spells except for lightning storm and lightning bolt

Spell casting speed is so important for sorc because it's how you fight back against classes with anywhere near 316 move speed when you can barely get 324 we are not even talking about each class that has gap closers or ways to slow someone yet aka throwing knives axes AOE stuff from cleric Achilles from barb and rage for 7%move speed bonus sprint and adrenaline rush rogue is just innately fast due to the gear they and can silence you so you are guaranteed dead for attempting to cast druid just devours sorc if they are competent every time just have to bait lightning vortex or lightning sphere and it's usually a free kill after panther dash bard is insane to fight against on sorc if you are fighting one with dissonance you might as well leave the game if they are wearing similar gear as you or even slightly lesser you will die honestly a squire bard with dissonance can probably kill a full bis sorc with 50 spell casting speed

This then forces all spell merge players to go gg now I need to find a different way to play this class that was advertised as a class that casts spells with his hands (sorc also cannot cast spells one handed btw and that makes zero sense) now we have sorcerers playing the class using spell books doing significantly more work to have the same effect as a tm warlock and a wizard in blue gear so why would you play the super hard class vs play the easier and cheaper one that has significantly less situations where you have no form to counter play anyone

But then people go time distortion op he can instantly cast spells but no one bats an eye at wizard fireball 2 shot when using instant cast or druid being able to jump clear across an entire module

Time distortion was strong ONLY when it was paired with apex of sorcery simply because it was 50% magic DMG On Top of what sorc can throw out and jump casting was very effective at just barely keeping space so you can live and not needing to stack insane amounts of knowledge allows for you to stack hp so you don't instantly die to every class the issue with sorc is his perks along with his spell casting speed and cooldowns

(im eating Dave's hot thats why my comments are kinda massively spaced in time and this shi hitting fr fr)

Time distortion or apex needs to be removed and sorc needs a buff or if they wanna leave it how it is remove the move speed reduction when spell casting And Merge needs to be built in same with one handed spell casting

To at the very very minimum make the class capable of fighting in a 3v3 setting and keep together with your team and still play solos without just donating kits

[proven night]

delete td apex and merge

now sorc can start to get balanced. those min maxxy perks are hell for balancing. apex makes a sorc build with insane damage exist and time distortion makes a sorc with instant cast exist. you cannot properly balance a class while having those two margins squashing your options

[ripe belfry]

[ripe belfry]

Also Why does spell sculpting not work on elemental bolt flame arrow water orb and flame frost spear along with aqua prison shouldn't they be 25% bigger like the perk says it should be

[icy knot]

You don't have to finish everything on time. Release some things later in the season.

[icy knot]

new late wipe arena event:
fight as team of mobs, 5v5?

[vagrant hemlock]

I really wanted to make this suggestion because, as a Rogue player, I'm quite frustrated by the change they made to the footstep passive. Before, having completely silent footsteps was an essential part of the class's identity—not something broken, but what truly made it unique and viable.

Now that it's just noise reduction, it feels like the Rogue has lost its essence. In a game where sound is almost everything, that difference is incredibly noticeable and puts the class at a clear disadvantage compared to others.

I sincerely wish they would bring back the passive to how it was before, with total silence. It wasn't a free benefit; it was a key mechanic that required good positioning and timing. These days, the Rogue feels more punished than rewarded for playing well.

I hope they reconsider, because this change has taken a lot of personality and fun out of the class.

[icy knot]

yey easy killing playerbase. they still can do it its just tiny bit harder

[frosty juniper]

Remove High Roller. Only one difficulty mode: Ruins (normal difficulty, below epic geared people spawn here) -> Down portal Crypts (Normal+ difficulty, epic+ geared people spawn here) -> Down portal to Hell (high roller difficulty). People can choose to take the down portal for increased risk and increased loot.

[abstract bone]

aint ever gonna happen HR is a highlight of paying for legendary status

• no one wants to play 30 minutes of levels when HR exists for 4 different maps kek.

[ripe belfry]

INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF KITS I CAN PUT IN SQUIRE 3 IS NOT ENOUGH

[full patrol]

The mentality of removing options to artificially increase player numbers elsewhere is a horrible game design.

[ripe belfry]

i agree

[frosty juniper]

Dead lobbies and bleeding players by the minute because games dead is better

[mint cedar]

There's certainly too much que segmentation. 34 Game modes, not to mention region separation. It's pretty bad.

Solo, Duo, Trio = 3 Modes
Adv, Pvp, HR Adv, HR Pvp = 4 Modes
Ruins, Goblin, Ice, Water = 4 Maps

• Squire + Arena

[icy knot]

they should stick to 1 or 2 mode since the begining. no complaining about removing modes

[subtle plinth]

blocking a weapons strike should stop the attack unless its a 2H hitting a 1H

[noble mantle]

ur take is hot garbage

[icy knot]

give me your best take

[noble mantle]

games too far gone in a wrong direction to make takes, we never needed ice caves or water. more crypts style maps is and will always be best options. arc raiders style timed event for better loot HR is good. prob make it better named chances. delete druid as always. More/rework perks on melee for more fun playstyles, more wiz spells needed. u ppl with less than 1k hours dont see whats really wrong and why our playerbase is dropping, u just think u do.

[opaque sinew]

Hr, arena with rewards

[icy knot]

Hey @opaque sinew he is talking about you

[abstract bone]

talk about hot garbage takes

[calm lichen]

make a mardi gras event
“Laissez les bons temps rouler”
if it needs to fit more within dnd lore make it a creole french harlequin as the merchant using beads as the currency for different ales for different buffs and or foods as well

[granite plinth]

Lean into the whimsy and away from hardcore battle royale. Make random traps in dungeon that can insta kill (rock falls, spike pits, etc), buff mobs to twice their current threat and add new move sets, allow warlocks to resurrect dead teammates as weaker thralls, allow Barb to throw weapons, give bard a song that makes everyone in a radius holster their weapon (including allies), etc

Goblin Merchant should be findable in dungeon, where he tries to sell you other people’s stuff from previous matches (you can trade loot in match with him)

[opaque sinew]

???????

[granite plinth]

Why so confused. It’s my vision (tm)

[icy knot]

Now you speak my language 💯

[opaque sinew]

Other than mob threat, maybe

They already griefing enough and not fun to interact with

[icy knot]

Threat IDC
Movesets why not

[granite plinth]

If mob harder people forced to be friendlier, #1 lesson from arc raiders. The mobs are actually enough of a threat that whether or not to KOS other players is actually a question depending on the circumstance, and not a given. Mobs in DaD are not enough of a threat to motivate teamwork at any point between strangers

[opaque sinew]

Bro

[icy knot]

100% devs are adding merchants to the dungeon either in season 8 or 9

[opaque sinew]

This game ain't that, it's not, this might be your shittiest take

[icy knot]

#winter-wonderer-chat message

[opaque sinew]

Are you joking or something?

This mindset will kill the game, like solo andys

[granite plinth]

Uh no I’m not joking. When this game was at its peak people were having fun exploring dungeon, enjoying the fresh content, and not every encounter was instant PVP death match. You were forced to question if taking the fight was worth it cause you wanted to get out, and sometimes, people would work together.

Now game is one of the fastest paced battle royales out there, and every match is the same. Open door find player chase player maybe fight player open door repeat

If your mobs are so lackluster players most often just path around them to the next door, they ain’t good enough mobs 💯

[icy knot]

Old players must stop talking: when this game was at its peak we had...

Let's move forward.

[opaque sinew]

So, you want it to be a full pve game with no progression because gear means nothing and want them to scrap all game identity. The game was fun when it was new because it was new and wasn't explored, pvp is only this game been good at

[granite plinth]

I disagree, sometimes to make the right choices we must look back.

[icy knot]

Sure
Let's Learn from mistakes

[opaque sinew]

It was exact same back then, just people was new back then

ggs, i fell for bait

[granite plinth]

That’s not at all what I said, but very nice straw man fallacy.

I want matches to be more dynamic. I want environmental pressures (mobs, traps, etc) to force players to make different decisions depending on what’s going on. In a safe spot and you don’t have much loot? Take the fight!
Being hunted by goblins that know how to open doors and climb walls and ceilings? Maybe choose to team up.

DYNAMISM, brother

[icy knot]

How about devs remove (HR Adventure mode) and just make mobs harder on lower levels of normal Adventure mode just like you said

[granite plinth]

Right now, is one of the most bland instant PvP battle royale sims out there, with medieval theme. And pls no space map my gawd

[icy knot]

💯

[granite plinth]

I want to hear the distant screams of players in another section of the goblin caves, and ask myself if I should help them or if I should maybe lie in wait, or just STAY AWAY. Right now? You hear VOIP you go fight no question

That loading screen with the soldier surrounded by goblins, looking beaten and bruised, holding his last stand? I want to have that moment in a way with more depth than just the same goblin swing and sound over and over. I want to see another man having that moment himself, and rush to his rescue, maybe die with him.

In conclusion, the environment should be a medium between players that inspires different solutions and experiences at different times, right now, it does not

[marsh ridge]

How about a pole axe type weapon that's both blunt and axe that can attack with the different heads depending on primary or secondary attack, would be shorter than the Haliberd though

[jolly mauve]

Patch

[icy knot]

Battle Royale
Dungeon Crawler ✅

[limber elbow]

Developers should divide each season into phases. Phase 1 should last one month and only feature epic items, then Phase 2 should unlock legendary items, and Phase 3 should unlock all items. This would prevent a situation where unique and name items are already circulating on the map, preying on other players, just two days after the new season begins.

[icy knot]

That's why unlocking new crafts(quests) each week was good. It worked like progression system
I think by removing such thing season ended earlier for most people

[keen scaffold]

they need to scrap every map except the ruins/crypts/inferno(they wont because too much time and money invested into new maps) in order to condense what little of a player base they have left. As well as scrapping solo and duo queues. that way there is one map to rule them all and everyone plays on the same familiar map. Does that sound too bland and straightforward? Yes. So to remedy that issue they should design more dynamic rooms and ways that connect those rooms into old ones. a randomized layout isn't ideal because then you're stuck making square ass rooms with entrances/exits in each direction that makes the map feel like a dungeon straight outta the first zelda game.

I'll be honest though i love the crypts, i like the water map, hate the frost caves, and think the gob caves started off as a solid off shoot from crypts as a solos map. Adding duos and trios into gob cave killed it. just as solo and duo queue ruined the other maps. Not by design, but by the way it has divided the player base exponentially. If they took the same energy and ideas from the water map/ice caves/gob caves into the crypts, we would have a badass crypts map with all the bells and whistles.

another thing i was hoping to see was more ways for each class to traverse the map in a specific way unique to each class such as a barb able to knock a hole through a wall, an archer sniping a rope holding up a bridge on the other side, or a wizard/cleric divining the secret through a magically locked door. We already had a way for rogues to double jump into areas only they had access to. they should have kept those but simply added ways and new areas for other classes to explore.

[icy knot]

randomized dungeon is nothing without fog of war
dungeon crawler is nothing without feeling of being lost

[shrewd lagoon]

Line holder role should go before all other roles 100%

[teal creek]

terrible idea

[keen scaffold]

terrible criticism

[abstract bone]

nothing more needs to be said tho terrible idea.

you want solo/duos removed AND all the maps removed. game died when solo/duos got removed and just kekw on the map suggestion

[keen scaffold]

you're right, nothing else needed except for noone asked.

[abstract bone]

no one asked for the garbage suggestion yet you still posted it.

[keen scaffold]

rn how many players are divided into how many maps and then on top of that the amount of queues for each?

[abstract bone]

play a different region some regions are just dead.

[keen scaffold]

idk it does say suggestions and its under the feedback category

yeah go back to the goblin caves troll

[abstract bone]

and condensing the queues won't help that at all we've seen it before with solo/duo removal. lobbies are just dead for some regions cuz no one plays there.

lmfao that goofy ahah suggestion makes me think you're just a goblin in disguise

[keen scaffold]

so what youre saying is dead game is dead game

if condensing queues dont help then nothing will lol

[abstract bone]

game has different regions u can swap too twin sorry ur internet is trash and can't support it.

wipe is quite literally just a few weeks away go play some hype train game if u want pop lol

[keen scaffold]

lmao cope harder. dead game is dead game

[abstract bone]

This game will never see its peaks again. at most ever maybe 10-15k. quite literally nothing will help it because the company itself burnt bridges with customers with goofy ahah suggestions like remove solo/duos actually going through.

i run into plenty of players i'm not the one crying that the games need to cut out 70% of its content because i can't find anyone 😆

[keen scaffold]

noones crying lol i simply pointed out the fact that its dead and lobbies are empty. they used to be full. now youre lucky to find 1-2 others.

[abstract bone]

again just a you issue. even on my dead maps i run into atleast 5-6 different ppl in solos 3~ teams in duos and trios is popped off.

[keen scaffold]

the solution IS to condense lobbies but since its a dead game then it cant be helped

[abstract bone]

a "solution" thats already been tried and failed because guess what it's a terrible idea.

[keen scaffold]

mmmm idk seeing as how im not the only one talking about it. and also lol tried and failed because there is hardly any players

[abstract bone]

hardly any players because they all quit cause it was a terrible idea lmfaoo. your forced to 3v1 or q with randoms that can just team kill you Which they did.

[keen scaffold]

why do you think they tried it? because it does work, but not without a large enough player base

[abstract bone]

they tried it because a youtuber cried about it then double back and admitted that it was terrible idea to condense lobbies lol.

[keen scaffold]

you're just mad for some reason cuz. its okay to have the wrong opinion

[teal creek]

you're assuming the existing people will stay if solos and duos are removed. you are gravely mistaken

[abstract bone]

it's okay you're wrong lol just a loud minority

[keen scaffold]

ok condense it into solos only.

[teal creek]

even as a solo player i don't wish to force that on people who enjoy trios

even though some of them were glad to force trios on me

[abstract bone]

the 25% arena players quit lol.

[keen scaffold]

it sounds to me that its hopeless because the game is dead and the playerbase such as yourselves cant take or make good suggestions so you all resort to trashing people making good suggestions.

[teal creek]

hand me the reins and i will cook

[abstract bone]

"trashing people making good suggestions" as he makes one of the worst suggestions known to man. talk about a Main character complex.x

[keen scaffold]

i rest my case

[abstract bone]

imagine insisting on something that didn't work and the community openly DID not like and saying you're right. prolly why ur new to the discord.

heres come the oooh i just left and im coming back.

[keen scaffold]

what community? you two? lmao

[teal creek]

put this "suggestion" in tavern or general and see what happens

[abstract bone]

hes too scared too already tried it once and got clowned on.

[keen scaffold]

ive been playing since the second playtest. and ya thats exactly what happened

[abstract bone]

iVe BeEn PlAyiNg SiNcE thE FiRsT PlaYteSt

[keen scaffold]

yeah keep living in your imaginary world where people do things in the past because you imagined it.

[abstract bone]

If you've been playing so long then you shoulda seen first hand what happened when they removed solo/duo but ya bro sure you played since the 2nd playtest.

[keen scaffold]

ill just imagine you never made a terrible criticism of my good suggestion

[abstract bone]

Keep living in your imaginary world about your suggestion even remotely being okay lol. insta trashcan suggestion.

[keen scaffold]

ok bud i dont need to prove anything to you.

[abstract bone]

keep trying you'll get there eventually.

[keen scaffold]

the only thing im trying is your moms mattress

[abstract bone]

It's a pretty comfy coffin lemme know how it goes.

[keen scaffold]

yeah will do

[granite plinth]

“Remove solo and duo queues” are you trying to kill the game once and for all? We already tried that, and I was one of the only solo players who kept playing lmao

[keen scaffold]

one of the only players who kept playing*

[granite plinth]

Fr fr, dungeon was EMPTY.

I routinely had Goblin Caves runs where I never saw another player, or even evidence of one

[ripe belfry]

The game loop and entire combat needs a rework

[teal creek]

all classes get skill wheels, some with global cooldowns. needs to be centered around back and forth not just "whoever headshots the most the fastest wins"

all classes that are super mobile should either be less mobile, or all other classes should be more mobile

[ripe belfry]

There is also another thing that makes balance very very complicated for this game and that is each classes identity the length of wipes and amount of things quests that need to be done to craft good gear the desire to go into the dungeon for pvp and the desire to not go into it is another issue as well

[icy knot]

Entire combat rework? Nah

[teal creek]

i see kinda what he's getting at, the barrel-stuff-auto-win gameplay is super lame

[ripe belfry]

Every class needs to be revaluated and balanced for 1v1 scenarios for every class

It's painfully visible we have a higher solo player base than trios

The balance for trios but having a solo mode puts this game in a contradictory state that can leave anyone playing a non meta class at a disadvantage because the class they are playing needs training wheel support from a different one in trios to be viable

First sdf I beg of you revisit EVERY SINGLE CLASS and what makes them tick

[teal creek]

if a class can't beat another class, it should at least have a viable escape from that class

[ripe belfry]

100% not me at half hp saying gg because I know it is physically impossible to fight back

[teal creek]

this is why bard 80% of the time is such a great solo class, and rogue/druid is 99% of the time if you're past a certain skill floor

at least w/r to facing other players, bard just feels great overall with all of its utility and versatility. other classes should have more of that

[ripe belfry]

100% perfect all around class

The games focus should go from dungeon Pvpve to having a greater purpose aka arena where you can earn titles and rewards while
Having shorter wipes and having leaderboards with rewards for the top 1000 players and increased gear abundance of good rolled gear would help retain players having both
Competitive arena and then non competitive arena
In competitive arena you can only take ssf epics and in non comp you can come in with kits of any kind non ssf to practice train and whatever may be

The goal should be to become the best adventurer in dark and darker reliably kill boss to get bis to take into arena to earn rank and rewards on top of getting demi god

And at the end of wipe we have competitive artifact arena so people with kits tailored to the specific way they play can shine and have the skills they have grown showcased in dark and darker clips at the end of wipes

Kind of like a form of recognition amongst the community

Because we really need unity instead of toxicity sure it's against sdfs views of wanting a rust like community not sorry to say this but this game is not rust

Another forefront to increase this is to FOCUS on GUILDS

Each guild can have 50 members sounds reasonable

Give them like clan tags and little things they can buy for customization purposes

Each guild should be able to create a custom game where they can practice train and run 1v1 2v2 or 3v3

[teal creek]

arena maybe, though i was thinking more co-op type stuff. megabosses, co-op dungeon raids, or tower defense

like i know we don't need more queues but I think the lack of new content that isn't just "braindead easy pve" or "wildly lopsided pvp" or "the same boss ten thousand times" is what's killing the game

[ripe belfry]

I am getting into that bro there is Soo much iron mace could be doing

Cuz if you have a guild then they can have guild events where you hunt down mega bosses in 12 or 15 man teams

If they actually followed through with the guilds and being able to make groups the game would be thriving rn

[teal creek]

maybe, i'm not a terribly faction aligned player. i'd accept randos for super bosses

[ripe belfry]

Pvpve dungeon game you dive into to get gear for your arena kit and then arena events for end of wipe and during wipe on weekends guilds can have mega boss hunt

Sounds very fun

And try to Pack it all into 2 or 3 months because of the boosted gear drops

[teal creek]

persistence of some kind between wipes would be nice too, like if you can keep up to one set of stuff between seasons

and then it's available for special events or non-pvp or fashionscape

[ripe belfry]

I would be fine with something like you keep 1 piece of gear or 1 single squire kit like a kit you made that you can have him hold after you get him to max but artifacts obviously not allowed tho anything else goes

This can keep the game fresh and gives everyone a chance to hop in on a wipe

If they get to hold onto 1 kit they have perfected or play well with

Luck needs to be revised and actually fixed to work accordingly cuz the devs don't even know how luck works as well

[teal creek]

fight to your last breath in helm's deep with a viola you ssf'd three seasons ago

[ripe belfry]

🔥

[teal creek]

OH COOL, SO THE SHARK JUST FACEHUGS YOU AND ATTACKS YOU CONTINUOUSLY IF IT HAS NOWHERE TO BACK UP.

COOL, VERY COOL. SURE WISH I KNEW THAT BEFORE I WENT IN KITTED.

[jolly mauve]

Buff sorc

[ripe belfry]

YES PLEASE

[icy knot]

Buff immortal lament hp activation

[spark marsh]

Happy New Year, everyone! I wish the developers happy holidays and productive work without unnecessary pressure. And for us, the players and characters, I hope that no one is forgotten and that everyone has equal opportunities to win.🐴

[south forge]

Delete panter from druid gimme a wipe with some ads and game will be saved

[upper karma]

rat play needs to go

all my games in hr is 2 real players and the rest is rats teaming, it is a cancer.

[icy knot]

i mean looting got nerfed
how else do you nerf rat play

btw I suggests some kind of indicator that warlock is using dark offering. Like maybe some kind of dark aura come from its character? otherwise how can you tell if warlock has +50% to its damage?

[opaque sinew]

💯

Deff need that @dawn grotto

[granite plinth]

Make 1-2 Magic Damage Gemmable on Weapons!

[ripe belfry]

IF THEY hard reset after 45 seconds

[jolly mauve]

buff sorc bruh

[ripe belfry]

YES PLEASE

[abstract bone]

add preg goblins

[agile sierra]

everyone hates druid for the quality of the game, thoughts on removing rat form

[sleek sundial]

Any clue of what is coming in the next season ?=? map ?? character ???

[icy knot]

Circle removal
7x7 maps
New character skills,perks,spells
New points of interest on the map

[hollow finch]

Balance average rating for each arena team please.

[ripe belfry]

Peak

Also maybe a solo arena would be nice to have ranked 1v1s

A sorc buff would be nice something like spell merge giving 50 action speed when you merge a spell

[whole vigil]

increase debuff duration for every will or nerf warlock curse duration by half

[whole vigil]

nerf reckless already ffs

[abstract bone]

buff reckless already ffs its so weak

[whole vigil]

you probably did not get 1 shot while full hp by it lmao

[abstract bone]

its weak needs buffs

[agile sierra]

Make barb ms 350 cap pls, rat form model even smaller

[granite plinth]

Make 1-2 Magic Damage Gemmable on any Non-Magic Weapon

[alpine violet]

the rating system in the arena is POINTLESS and FRUSTRATING. REMOVE IT

[proven jacinth]

fix the stingray swinging when not looking at you, fix the bubbles going into the ground, fix it teleporting when shooting sometimes, and fix the bug where it just gets stuck upside down making the fight rng

no clue how these things dont get fixxed right when you make them. thats how problems just keep stacking up and you make the game horrible, is that not common sense?

[abstract bone]

they need to fix stingray hit box it just goes through the weapons/player hitboxes 35% of the time

[teal creek]

we're 4 years in and we haven't fixed the de-aggro troll glitch? what are we doing ironmace

[queen isle]

thats everything big man
everything goes though hitboxes 35% of the time

[abstract bone]

[teal creek]

the backflip attacks mainly, you have to like move yourself and not just your parry/block weapon into the hitbox. it's really tempermental

[naive orchid]

The boss can still be killed and everything can be blocked , the reason this is happening is because your making the wrong moves not the boss.

[spark marsh]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/TL0drVC

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1FqfMfL

Remember the artifact concept I shared? Basically, I finished their concept using generation. It's not quite perfect, but overall I like it.

One guy even made a model.

They could block, and have a magic resistance of 50.

As well as possible properties as an artifact: corrosion, weakens the enemy's armor. It also speeds up running when a weapon hits an enemy, and is cumulative.

[languid pebble]

Suggestion: Remove minibosses from fucing arena you cuucks

[alpine violet]

just remove all PvE and let us FIGHT

Please explain to me why there is PvE at all in Arena. Give me one actually sound reason for it when it is a competitive PvP Game mode.

Explain to me why you can LOOT in arena too. please. I'll wait.

[languid pebble]

They gotta make sure they give locks infinite health from mobs, its also to buff melee classes and druids and rangers since they have pdr, so it nerfs casters because theyre two or three tap to all mobs. its dumb af. clown devs: make pvp mode, flood it with pve LMFAO

They gotta make sure they give locks infinite health from mobs, its also to buff melee classes and druids and rangers since they have pdr, so it nerfs casters because theyre two or three tap to all mobs. its dumb af. clown devs: make pvp mode, flood it with pve LOL

[languid pebble]

also true LOL

[naive orchid]

Just kill the mobs

[abstract bone]

so warlocks can be busted

[languid pebble]

it defeats the purpose of "Arena" smol brain

the community asked for PVP mode(Arena) then they just turned it into smaller dungeon pvpve, which is not at all what the community wanted, the community asked for a strictly pvp mode, then they just gave us a one module map with ranks and minibosses with mobs. its dumb lolol

we wouldve asked for a smaller map if thats what we wanted, its not what we wanted, its not why arena was made

[naive orchid]

Just kill the mobs

[icy knot]

Give me one good player that complains about mobs in arena

[languid pebble]

LOL

[naive orchid]

He’s saying you suck g might be a skill issue

[ripe belfry]

i also agree with you i do not launch arena to fight mobs i want to fight people and not be bum rushed when i clear on first round

[languid pebble]

this too

[icy knot]

If you blame mobs for losing your arena match.
Maybe you should spend more time in the dungeon?

[naive orchid]

Nah they just think sdf is gonna put no mobs In arena one day they haven’t been here long enough to realize

[languid pebble]

over 3k hours, this is suggestion area, i posted a suggestion, its not argument area. but i digress. Can you quote where i blamed mobs for a loss?

[languid pebble]

been here since health bars were green sweetie 😗

[naive orchid]

So if this is a suggestion zone why did you call me a “smol brain”

Insults aren’t a suggestion but go off queen

[icy knot]

Maybe you need another 3k more

[naive orchid]

No way you took 10 minutes to type that fishu I was waiting on a paragraph

[icy knot]

@languid pebble
Anywayyyyyyyy ☮️
Sorry for messing around 😁
I'm also 3k hour player
I understand your frustration 🙏 there are many things in the game I would love to change myself but from obvious reasons can't....
Maybe upcoming unranked arena mode will have no mobs in it
Much love and respect

[icy knot]

😅 I need to be careful these days. Warlord warden is watching me..

[languid pebble]

dont we all..

[ripe belfry]

GIVE US THE ABILITY TO PING WITH OUR TEAM MEMBERS

[languid pebble]

➕

[proven jacinth]

the boss bugging and going upside down is my fault? LOL braindead

[full patrol]

@sdf More minions in arena, please. To showcase how elite and superior my skillz are, we need more minions in the arena, and make them all Nightmare level minions, anything less is beneath us.

Also, the winning player/team gets to loot the losers. We're tired of the 'zero risk, zero reward' play style.

Thanks.

[granite plinth]

Please add a “Damage Taken” stat in Arena.

[icy knot]

damage blocked?

[granite plinth]

No like damage taken to character over the course of the match

[icy knot]

👍

I see no point in it but there already is healing stat for some reason so why not

[granite plinth]

When you win round with damage taken but not healed you lose out on damage taken in stats

[naive orchid]

Yes u r

[zenith raven]

New Emote: Rasputin

[icy knot]

Just a thought:

Banshee(sound type boss) drops sonet for spellbook craft. How about giving this requiem of the fairy some sound mechanic. Where your spells are quieter? Or their sounds is a bit changed(disctorted). Or else

[neon sentinel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687114/druid-instant-shapeshift-change

Druid instant shapeshift rework idea:
Make it a skill similar to intense focus which allows instant shifting for 5ish seconds.

This maintains the movement tech while making druids consider their actions, limiting their escape potential, and limiting the speed of their resets.

[abstract bone]

remove SSM buff and revert all druid dmg/defensive nerfs so they can just go back to one shotting with 40 str please @keen onyx

[mint cedar]

Hot take: Remove all game modes. Only allow map choice. Keep part-size matching but make it server-sided. We only decide fill or no fill. If I que solo no fill- all I want to do is pick the map. PVE Mode and PVP Mode separate is lame. PVP will do no social interaction so it's a boring fighting simulator. Also- Bring back prematch Taverns.

Let the players decide the rules for engagement on a situation to situation basis. Will we collaborate for a boss fight then betray each other for loot? Who knows. - It's the optimal way to encourage gameplay emergence.

Also- remove highroller. in case that wasn't clear by the above ^

[naive orchid]

??

[mint cedar]

@keen onyx

[granite plinth]

Increase the hitbox for Demonlock claw attacks, it’s so hard to land sometimes 😭

[full patrol]

Removing choices that players make is a horrible why to design a game.

[queen isle]

Attempting to move while using an emote that locks movement (such as the Christmas carol emote) should cancel the emote and allow you to freely move again.

[ruby sonnet]

You sound just as out of touch as sdf is. Good job

While HR solo this wipe was and still is absolutely miserable, not having HR would be terrible at this point. Game needs a progression arc from timmy to pro, and for now that is PvE -> Normals -> HR.

[icy knot]

True

[opaque sinew]

❌ ❌ ❌

[zealous sparrow]

A game mode where you can only que solo and its a little town where spontaneous fights can happen

[muted mountain]

Maybe don’t emote when you’re trying to move

[ripe belfry]

Give us artifact diamonds that gem artifacts

[ripe belfry]

When a game ends gear left from players needs to be auto collected and listed for 200 coins more than it was last bought for or 200 coins more than something with similar rolls because when I kill a full lobby and I can't loot everything it feels bad losing gear with good rolls that will maybe not exist again for a long period of time with the amount of players we have rn looking for gear

[queen isle]

I'm emoting, THEN I'm trying to move bruh. Other emotes let you move while doing them so I'm used to that.

[fierce stag]

fix the issue with clearing chat history reappearing after a game

[queen isle]

Please for god's sake, please make the boat controls consistent.

[finite lark]

Why is there a timer to retrieve stuff on marketplace? I got back after a trip and everything is sold but destroyed. Wtf

[queen isle]

Please add another Skill to druid, you either play shapeshift, or 10 spell. Need something to combo with 5 spell no shapeshift.

[eager tinsel]

pls just dont play that map

[queen isle]

Kinda forced when I get it 1/4 times in squire gamemode.

[frosty juniper]

when i get that map in squire game mode 75% of the players who spawned in instantly leave the match or drown themselves.

great for the game

[icy knot]

i suggest feeding us with new content
#graysuns-plate

[hushed sinew]

give sorc more perks and skills. a skill for each element that buffs the sorc in some appropriate way. ex for ice would be your every melee attack slows, you gain some armor and gain ice resistance + damage, maybe even leave a trail of ice behind as well. ex for fire would be your every melee attack applies a burn, you gain some fire resistance + damage and deal fire damage every second to nearby units. if a skill for each element is added, you can then maybe turn merge spell into merge magic and make it apply to the skills as well to get interesting combination of skills, of course if that route is taken the class would then need perks to supplement a non spell casting version of the sorcerer. adding a perk for each element would be a good way to cover that while also giving spell casting more options to play with, as well as a perk to buff the crystal sword in some way, like convert all or more of its damage to magical or granting some sort of additonal affect on the next hit after casting a spell/skill, fire for example could release a short wave a fire forward on the next melee attack.

also, time distortion should be changed to have no draw backs, but switch it to a skill that is active for x amount of time

[ripe belfry]

There is other team based games that do it very very well they balance every class for 1v1 scenarios while keeping one specific counter as a counter but not so oppressive that the class cannot play the game it makes it so comps make sense to do but does not 100% force a meta

And then dark and darker issue is when a class begins to get good enough to fight everyone they nerf that class instead of getting every other class on the same page

I'll say dungeonborne overwatch and like marvel rivals are good examples of that being done right Like in overwatch I can play Hanzo and someone can play sigma or dva I can play against it but Im not just incapable of helping at all And like if some of my team dies I am not forced to go ok gg even when I have full hp This then causes a very fundamental issue where it disheartens players because they know the fights lost before they are even dead same thing in marvel rivals If I'm playing black arrow and they have a magneto that's just on me aggressively I can still kill him and or pick off his team while he's attempting to shield because I do enough DMG and at a consistent rate with my projectiles

In a sense it's like if everyone is overpowered in a way no one is overpowered because everyone has equal chance to pop off or be put down In dark and darker I am one sorcerer I have a ranger and a barb my ranger gets double crossbow it's ggz because now all they have to do is hold w while my spells are on cooldown and jump my barb then jump me or double crossbow me same way ranger went out

All we can do is try to collect his gear and run like 🐱 and pray we make it to reds

It's actually kinda crazy to me the entire player base has not like boycotted the game to force this mechanic to be changed so that's it's balanced for 1v1s in squire gear because each class needs every single perk and skill reworked to make every class have seamless interactions with each other when this is supposedly a competitive game 😭😭

Then and only then can they focus on what stats should be on gear And that's what got sorc nerfed into the ground as well is when sorc was released the gem situation was phenomenal I could get every single stat I needed The gear was giving everything I needed I could easily get my 20 action speed 30 magic power bonus 147 hp and 60 spell casting no innate because we did not need the extra spell casting to play the class and I could still have 330 move speed It's frustrating not being able to have a direct talk with the people In charge man Cuz they doing shi wrong Very very very wrong

Every single class needs to be redone or buffed so that everyone can potentially 1v1 each other

With the current gear we have now or balance from squire and work on perks then re do the entire gear system like before allowing for more crafted items to be added

[orchid magnet]

the game was originally built for 3v3 but 1v1 is so cancer right now since you get 3rd partied every fight

[ripe belfry]

That may be true but forcing everyone to deal with unbalanced 1v1s is kinda crazy because you want to hold onto a old design when your game is evolving

And then barely even trying to actually do 3v3 balance is the more criminal part

[orchid magnet]

I honestly think 1v1s in this game are the most balanced it's ever been; still same meta's but theres only some circumstances where you get full countered

druid needs a rework of shapeshifts tho its not fun as of now

[ripe belfry]

Low-key everything needs a rework druid is hard to play but good when mastered bard is easy AF for no reason and just full counters all casters shriek into dissonance and drum throw and your damn near one tap with 125 hp from a bard in purples

Don't even need to be purple bis bro could low-key be in poo poo and still do the same thing and full kill a wiz a warlock and even druid if he's not in animal form

For a significantly healthier game that actually retains players it would be in iron maces best interest to seriously look at this

Cuz why in God's name do we have true invis in a game where casting spells is louder than footsteps ?

We have ranger unironically being the apex predator in this game because oh he has to carry arrows 😭😭 bro can hold a fully drawn bow for as long as he wants shoot as many arrows as he wants only limited by action speed and inventory space is actually criminal

If you can play a fps game and not go negative you can play ranger and only print money the only practice needed is getting the class to level 20 😭

Crossbow mastery bro can reload a crossbow shoot it 6 times before a elemental bolts normal cooldown is up

18 seconds of down time

Yeah that makes sense when all someone has to do is block and maybe not hold w ????? Then no water bolt or fire arrows or elemental bolt for 18 seconds

Some classes are rewarded and given training wheels for existing while others are abysmal and cost too much to play

[alpine violet]

Rework Druid. The class itself ruins the mechanic balancing of the game. Repoze's video on why it is so broken is SPOT ON.

Rat Form is busted. Panther to Chicken Move Speed is BUSTED. Dreamwalk prevents even LANDMINING a druid.

If a druid plays correctly, they will NEVER die and are built to be the ultimate griefer.

I still play the game and work around druids but at the end of the day, they have driven a ton of the player base to stop playing. Decimating your player base makes the game unfun for even the die hards like me.

I went 5 HR runs in a row and saw no other teams in trios this morning. Also, it is just hard to find a group of team-mates that i resonate with and enjoy playing with because the choices in the current player pool is so limited.

[ripe belfry]

This is true and what's even more funny is I bet they don't even analyze the data the game provides aka class pick rates and extraction rates to realize what type of classes are even being used

[icy knot]

bruh its too late for suggestions
they already cooked new stuff for sorc

[opaque sinew]

Did we cooked a halberd mastery perk for warlock yet?

Please graysun i need this, my halblock kinda homeless

[ripe belfry]

i pray they did

[icy knot]

we'll see

[hushed sinew]

this is a dumb statement. its never too late for suggestions

[icy knot]

true

but if you suggested this 2 months ago devs could make your suggestion a reality today

[hushed sinew]

ive already made a suggestion for at least the crystal sword. and for other perks. the skills are new. but even then depending on what the devs decide additional things can still be added lated if the class still doesnt feel fleshed out. which i do hope they manage with the next wipe. hope they do that with all the classes tbh

[icy knot]

lets hope they listened

[hushed sinew]

yup

[eager tinsel]

ripostes/parrying should be added to a lot more weapons, but reposting should only happen if you hit the perfect parry within thje first 0.3 seconds of the animation. If you sit there and hold right click until you get a lucky parry you should not be able to riposte

[glacial sphinx]

i'd say let the damage scale with better timing instead, it'll feel better but still reward timing

[icy knot]

maybe damage stays the same but action speed of repost changes

altho there is no need to change parry at all
if you are holding parry 24/7 you are gonna get killed.
longsword parry was always new player barb problem

[eager tinsel]

i just mean that holding parry for even 1-2 seconds is too long to fish and get insane damage as a reword. it also doesnt feel good at all

[full patrol]

The ability to riposte shouldn't belong to the weapon, but the user. I don't imagine a wizard being skilled enough at hand to hand combat to be able to riposte anything, for example. Which is probably why only a few classes can use the long sword.

[ripe belfry]

Is this tab even being looked over or monitored or read by someone

[spark marsh]

Add 2 weapons, an artifact in the left hand for the slayer. A short sword. If you want a fair fight in a hardcore arena. I'm not even going to participate, holding only 1 artifact out of two.

[naive orchid]

You got a artifact it’s called death bloom ✅

[spark marsh]

I don't have to take the Weapon Master perk to play as a slayer; there are more useful things. And I don't want to play with someone else's weapons.

I have it, but I won't even play with it.

[scarlet creek]

A few ramblings of myself about Monk:
Lock u in place and punch u a bunch?
Healing and pushing with Ki?
Perhaps even drunk monk
Elemental monk would be nutty
Imagine punching people with fire from 5 meters away just out of reach
That would drive melee people insane
And then u just catch arrows and throw them back
Perhaps even stop fireballs by punching them with fire
Blow them up early if u time it right.

[bitter thicket]

Can we buff druid

[fervent sable]

real

[icy knot]

I hope monk will be normal character not as broken as druid

[icy knot]

How about just closing arena
And having arena settings of not loosing items in normal dungeon for one last week?

[outer jetty]

i hope monk will be like bivol or tyson

If the arena only drops equipment but doesn't provide loot, why don't players go to the dungeon? Arena ranking points are hard to obtain, and players won't consider 3 days of arena points as a true indicator of skill.

@dawn grotto

[queen isle]

Don't even bother with that guy, you can give him all the reasons in the world, and he'll just come up with a new problem every time.

[outer jetty]

The faction system this season is also quite terrible; Gain 15% magic penetration makes magic resistance ridiculously weak.

I really miss the mutants and that period of time.

[whole vigil]

I am hoping monk to be anti caster and druid class, with aoe ground slam to kill these rats but without any pushback aids like what sorc has. Also nerf druid, multishot, weakpoint and recklass.

[neon sentinel]

@ripe belfry Check out my druid shapeshift rework suggestion. I think it would solve a lot of the serious problems while maintaining druid's general class identity

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687114/druid-instant-shapeshift-change

[neon sentinel]

I agree BUT the issue is that the server desync between the blocker and attacker makes holding parry / block SIGNIFICANTLY more effective than trying to time it.

Blinn did a series of videos exploring shield fighter and the main takeaway is that you need to be blocking well before the attack comes in to ensure you overcome the desync.

If ironmace can fix that, im all for a tighter parry window. Or maybe the better you time it, the more block stun the attacker has. That would fuck.

[ripe belfry]

❤️

[icy knot]

By the way I just would like to point out druid still has no blocking mechanic in any of his forms

[neon sentinel]

Turtle form would go hard

[granite plinth]

That why they are adding Druid turtle form, where they can go into their shell becoming invulnerable for 30 seconds, but MS is decreased 200%

[icy knot]

Rammus transformation

[fleet pagoda]

Druid Rework: Hear me out..

As of right now, we have 3 distinct playstyles.

Lifebloom heals, Insta-shift, and a Hybrid of both.

Let's make every single E ability of a shapeshift a spell castable in Human Form.. it will now be the only way to activate them. Using the spell activates the shapeshift for X amount of seconds. (Does not require spell memory, but rather certain stat thresholds must be met. X strength for bear, X agility for panther, X dex for Chicken, etc.)

Lifebloom no longer disables all shapeshifting, but instead allows the use of an exclusive-to-the-perk Treant form, and gain x physical damage reduction and heal teammates an additional 2 health per tick of heal for up to 30 seconds, with a minute cooldown.

New and improved perks;

Lifebloom: Allows the use of Treant Form. All other shapeshift requirements increased by 25%. Healing spells memory requirements reduced by 15%, and healing spells tick for 1 more health per.

Natural Healing: Heals yourself and party members by 1 health every 3 seconds. Increased to 2 health if healed person is sitting.

Master Shapeshift (replaces shapeshift mastery)r: Reduces shapeshifting requirements by 25%. Allows you to shapeshift permanently until canceled. Spells have 25% increased memory requirements.

Sun & Moon: Converts your healing spells into damage over time. You can no longer heal. +3 will to nearby party members.

Thorn Coat: Roots the attacker in place for 1 second, and reflects 2 true physical damage. 25 second cooldown on the root.

Dreamwalk: Become spiritual for 3 seconds upon taking damage. You become stuck in a dreamstate, unable to make actions or move, and activating a minor spell recovery. 20 second cooldown.

Enhanced Wilderness: Gain +3 of a respective stat in each form.

Force of Nature: When the druid shapeshifts, they gain 10% physical damage reduction for 2 seconds.

Spirit Bond: Unchanged. Now has a downside though. It procs Dreamwalk.

Master Spiritualist (replaces Spirit Mastery): Increases magic power by 5, and reduces spell memory requirements of damage spells by 15% (works with Sun and Moon heals-to-damage conversion)

[abstract bone]

Yeah no thanks druid is only a issue in solos and these won't help druid at all lol. not until they fix barrel stuffing druids to prevent shapeshifting (which will never happen) Bro really looked at WoW and was like lets copy this over.

[fleet pagoda]

How would these not help? Elaborate. And could you specify what was copied from WoW?

[abstract bone]

First of all 1/2 of what your suggesting just doesn't work espically with how the class is layed out. if your gonna suggest reworks actually focus on first why the class has had nerfs/changes. You want them to pretty much gut the class and make it a healer. because your suggested changes entirely shaft shapeshifting. "only being able to cast E abilites in human" meaning they have to make them spells etc. And don't act like you didn't just want to copy treant form from wow lol.

• you're trying to make it seem like staying in a form is worthwhile idk if you even play druid at all but staying in the forms is not worth it. They've designed the class to where you gotta be hyperactive about what form your in.

and on top of it all. Druid healer isn't something druids really want. Lifebloom espically now more than ever is just a worst cleric until they massively rework it. Only upside lifebloom has over cleric is barkskin pretty much. Rest of its utility is pretty useless.

[whole vigil]

druid needs shapeshift removed nothing more to say

[abstract bone]

Fighters need to not have a swift perk but atlas we don't get what we want.

[fleet pagoda]

Noted, Datedb. Have a great day.

[whole vigil]

ok remove swift but lower all armor movespeed penalty, I could use the perk slot mf

raise all cloth gear ms by 5 ms

[abstract bone]

nah thats the point of plate gear its suppose to be heavy

[whole vigil]

heavy and useless, get kited forever keep posting stupid takes

[abstract bone]

if bear form can't go over 270 MS then fighter shouldn't be allowed 320+ in plate gear.

"get kited forever" Forget hes fighter a class thats more universal than druid now with a ranged/melee/amazing gear access. Has access to a Heal/Sprint Or defensive Cooldowns. on top of everything the most picked class ingame rn 🙂

[whole vigil]

fighter gear is trash, and ur delusional, druid can go over 330 ms if did not know that

[abstract bone]

no matter what you say bro class pickrates speak louder than anything else. when more than 24% of the playerbase is playing fighter u can't complain

Oh no druidd can go slightly faster for a small burst of time if its straight flat land Oh nooo big bad druids with less than 4% pickrate ooooh noooo

i bet in repozes little video he forgot to mention that druids are hard capped at 315/320 MS in animal forms cuz the games a buggy mess. its only overlooked because PCJ 🙂

[whole vigil]

4% pickrate is a lie, I see more druids than any class right now, maybe warlock more

[abstract bone]

The game isn't just solos homeboy. Go look at solo/duo/trio/arena split and look at fighter/wiz/warlock

just because solos assassian leaderboard is full of druids all the same druids who just fight each other on water map farming each other and the same druids week by week. at the end of wipe. (also the same people selling items for $ but we'll ignore that)

far more fighters than druids in top 100's 🙂

[whole vigil]

lmao, you really think I only play fighter, I played druid too and that class is so easy to play, you insta go bear form and garantee a headshot losing the opponent half his hp
class is straight up broken

[abstract bone]

tell me you play squire and only squire without telling me.

Anyone with 2 braincells can press S and back outta a bear m2 thanks to mega speed negative And action speed negative. unless you know you're dumb and corner yourself

[whole vigil]

I played geared druid same thing applies

[abstract bone]

You def don't play geared anything if you complain about fighter being bad in any regard. you already outted yourself just wrap it and go.

[whole vigil]

guess you have not put any dex on ur druid, whos playing squires now

[abstract bone]

homeboy bear has -35% action speed. Even in full dex/agi/as Rolled gear the most you can get is 40% slightly pushing like 42% and even then anyone with 2 braincells can avoid it.

[fleet pagoda]

Why are you even here Datedb? Is your contribution to suggestions debunking anything and everything? Ridiculing suggestions? Talking down to people? I see you're a ragebaiter, you get off on it, but why? Have you had an actual adult in your life raise you? Did they leave you in a room all alone with a computer trolling people all day long? Bro??? I'm genuinely concerned for your health watching you talk on here. You should take a break.

[whole vigil]

who tf cares about that -35% if the animation extends over the model and hits before reaching you

[abstract bone]

Anyone with 2 brain cells cares 🙂

[abstract bone]

bro you spent your time typing up a entire druid post without ever playing the class. + you really spent the time to look through my profile and your concerned about my health? check yoself before you wreck yoself.

[whole vigil]

theres no point talking to you, keep ragebaiting, you were just before argueing about druid rework and now this lmao

[fleet pagoda]

I main druid. 🙂

[abstract bone]

Stay upset that you're playing the most picked class and still losing to one of the lower picked rate ones. It's just a skill dif

[abstract bone]

Sure you do bud 🙂

[whole vigil]

yes, going insta transform hit before a reaction takes skill, good one
keep ratting homeboy

[abstract bone]

you're just slow reaction time this might not be the game for you.

may i suggest something a little slower for you like watching paint dry simulator.

[whole vigil]

i just killed 2 people W key right click bear with druid lmao

[abstract bone]

That what happens when you fight people in norms 🙂

[whole vigil]

only braincells it takes to play druid is not to go rat form when cursed other than that easy W key panther casters, W key bear melee classes, either panther chicken jump takes no skill to do nor does rat through doors

[abstract bone]

uh huh sure.

[queen niche]

nerf low gear barbarian

[worn canopy]

I didn't play this wipe or the last wipe because I didn't want to grind all my accounts back up to level 20 just to play high roller. My suggestion is once a character has hit 20 at least once, they start each wipe with all 4 perks and access to high roller. Sure, you could argue that this gives an "unfair advantage" to new players, but let's be real new players are trickling in at all times, not competitively playing on wipe day. The real existing disadvantage is showing up late in wipe and not having any perks/needing to grind to level 20 on 10 characters. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687725/accountwide-perk-high-roller-unlocks-after-first-level-20

[eager tinsel]

pls suggest anything again

[icy knot]

It's not that hard to get to 20lvl

[charred marsh]

can i get found in raid bard instruments without searching for hours or do i just quit the game

[spark marsh]

@keen onyx @hollow creek @dawn grotto

https://postimg.cc/gallery/xN31NpJ

Weapon type: Twin blades.
Type: One-handed, swords.
Basic characteristics: Magic resistance, blocking ability.
Artifact characteristics: 1) Increases running speed when hitting an enemy, stцacks.
Abyss Corrosion: Weakens enemy armor when hitting, stacks. Deals damage with abyssal magic. (Dark magic or pure mage damage)
Artifact name: Split Staff of the Flame Priest
Item description: There is a dim aura of light here, it seems that this weapon was sacred once, but now it glows with an ominous aura. Rumor has it that these blades belonged to an immortal warrior who became mortal again. It seems that they came here straight from the world of the bloody abyss. A place worse than hell.
No one knows what happened to their former owner. They say that the owner went mad and split the artifact into two parts. After that, the artifact became a harbinger of death.
Madness pushes us to do things that are not always right.
The unbreakable bond between the owner and his weapon may bring them together again.

[teal creek]

delete purge shot

[queen harbor]

As a reminder,
Suggestions through Discord are no longer possible. Please use the suggestion system on the official Dark and Darker site.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687899/some-small-balance-changes

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687916/new-artifact-weapon-type-twin-blades

Thank you for reminding me.

[granite plinth]

Instead of removing Exploitation Strike from weapons altogether, please allow Warlocks to use it on weapons but with -50% incoming healing applied to each strike.
While you are at it, please slightly increase the Demon Claw hitbox as well

[icy knot]

#suggestion-discussion message

[teal creek]

delete spell predation

[magic oyster]

Can we get an option to report people for team killing and/or grief teammates? Especially in squire to riches, and if i fight back and kill them, i get a penalty.

[icy knot]

Report them
Record it send it to community coordinator

[lilac jacinth]

the fact that you can accidentally vendor huntress and krampus coins is so cringe can you please make them unvendorable cause there is never a reason to sell them

[hybrid holly]

What do you think about the idea of ​​being able to upgrade your current gear using very basic materials and coins? Sure, it might be weaker than Ruby and Silver gear, but it's PvE friendly and stronger than Rare Revet.

It just mayby makes the game more complicated. But I wish it was easier to get gear.

[full patrol]

Adventure mode is their way of punishing players for not partaking in pvp. One of the many reasons for our current player count.

[hybrid holly]

I don't think so, but I do acknowledge that the game is structured around pvp. If i think about it, if it's just farming, there's no need for the game to be online.

In the end, I guess I liked hack and slash, not pvp. I understand why the rewards for pvE are low, but I also want to play the game without stress.

[teal creek]

it makes sense, pve mode is inherently far less risky

i don't like that the first instinct and most rewarded behaviors are opportunism and on-sight murder, and wish that could be toned down, but it is what it is for now i guess

[full patrol]

I play on the Test, I can run Normals or HR all day, play how I want, never get a 'used' dungeon or have to wait to enter. And...no one camping the reds.

[hybrid holly]

I wonder which one is more fun.

[teal creek]

Character alignment or religion being tied to rewards for different kinds of behavior would be fascinating to see

[icy knot]

Make pve offline solo mode with even worse loot