suggestion-discussion

[narrow tree]

my argument is they are preventing the existing player base such as the solos (majority of the DaD's playerbase) a place to continue playing outside of the dungeons as random matchmaking was removed + arena gear not being ssf so not all solo players can/want take on 1v3s for hours on end waiting for the weekend they would literally rather just "wait" which implies the likelyhood of playing a different game which is a detractor for the gameloop in general. finding other solos is more unlikely as those solos are waiting for the weekend arena, pve, or even worse enjoying themselves on another game which should be viewed as a dectractor in the eyes of iron maces player retention metrics. if arena was open there was be more incentive for people to actively play at all times to farm gold for an arena that is open rather than hoping they log on the day that arena is open or hoping they farmed their kit before arena closes.

[robust jackal]

Gamebreaking idea, add solos.

[rare sandal]

which is just hillarious since it is the only thing keeping DaD alive the past weeks... And because the rest of the game is so shit, it does exactly this to the other dungeon modes, where nobody plays the game normally when arena is open..😂

[keen eagle]

Hire new lead dev, community manager, and add solo queue. Game is then fixed wow.

[bold isle]

@keen onyx
Warlock killing monsters is way too easy. Who is this even made for?
Even the sub-boss of Frost Mounty can be killed like a normal skeleton.
Cleric’s Holy Purification can’t be used for PvP at least,
so why is Warlock so out of line with the rules?
I often see newbies who can’t do PvE give up on everything else and only play Warlock. Is that the goal? Like Barbarian?
In HR, I was nervous facing Wendigo for the first time holding a Halberd,
but Wendigo died easily to Flame Walker.
It didn’t feel like a real fight,
it felt like someone killed Wendigo with a KILL command.

[broken rapids]

I Sweear morning star has range like fkin spear.

[humble elbow]

As a solo from playtest 2 all yall cry babies can't hang and it shows 🍼🍼

[broken rapids]

Well you can kill Wendigo with 1 hellfire if u hit heart so. ye.. 😄

[valid falcon]

Day 3 of Asking for a new potion that just kills you when you drink it

[icy knot]

• Reduce PVP encounters in the dungeon stop this battle Royale nonsense.
• Make dungeon player's biggest enemy(DO NOT bring back circle!!!!)
• Remove PVE mode
• NERF squire or squire gear.
• Something must be happening during 4 months of the season (unlock other dungeons or levels later in the season so sweats don't have gear advantage)
• better items and harder experience should be in lower levels of the dungeon as always
  ⬇️???
• Remove HR?(Use Arena MMR to select players for a match)+ nerf continues dungeon or remove it

[patent mauve]

Warlocks torture mastery should only heal recoverable HP, they already stack magical healing, so their potions heal for 30+ health, change torture mastery to 25% scaling but make it only heal recoverable health. They're too safe in the dungeon and abuse their healing to be one of the best boss killers in the game.

Make ruins the first floor for every dungeon, keep ice map and goblin caves queues up, but make it so there are red statics that can take you to every map from ruins. A watery cave entrance for goblin caves, a forest module with a layer of snow heading to the ice caves along with stairs leading to the crypts. Add a boat to take you to the new water map when it comes out.

[jolly leaf]

You forgot Fog of war xD And why remove PvE?

[icy knot]

Ruins the first floor for every dungeon nah

[patent mauve]

You can skip to goblin caves and ice caves without queueing for ruins

[patent mauve]

Dungeon was the biggest enemy last patch, one shot nightmare crossbowmen xD

[icy knot]

I think we like fog of war so much because that's the only real dungeon content/change they added to the game.

[patent mauve]

I liked fog of war because it stopped people from just B-lining to POIs

You meant remove Adventure mode?

[icy knot]

Yes

If you reduce PVP encounters you can have casual players having fun in PVP mode

[patent mauve]

I like the idea of ruins being the first floor because it keeps the amount of queues from growing too much, you can still queue the lower floors like goblin caves and ice caves but since we have continuous dungeons they could constantly have players going in from higher floors. Plus the water map adding another potential 3 queues isn't gonna be good with current player counts.

[jolly leaf]

Maybe but I like it because it add variability, and with the idea we added it also add lots of little interaction, between your teammate to share the map, some item that you can find to help you navigate in the dungeon etc.

[icy knot]

Did you know tavern lobby is the first floor

[patent mauve]

I also want a goblin caves 2nd floor, make a spider cavern, spiders and goblins seem to not like each other and it looks like spiders come from below and kill the goblins in the modules they're in on goblin caves. There's only one module where giant spiders and goblins are both located and the spiders are one floor below the goblins.

[icy knot]

If they continue to add maps and floor there needs to be some rotation or floors being unlocked throughout the season.

Imaging if season started and Castle of Ruins map is not destroyed, there is no curse no deadly mobs. There is completely different map and you can go down to crypts but not to inferno. And later in the season everything changes curse of midnight attacks the caste and we are back to destroyed Ruins with inferno open.

[jolly leaf]

I think Fog of war could also help with the Solo player in trio lobby thing SDF try to do. But I don't want to give him good idea to make that happen xD

[split oasis]

sdf FIX YA GAME FUC THAT CHARITY EVENT FIX YA GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[grim atlas]

screwing kids with cancer over because u want a game with shit devs to be fixed is fucked up

[split oasis]

fuc them kids an fuc u an fuc them devs some one fix thy game

[distant marten]

😂

[crude hill]

Character Identity Through Artifacts

While im not a big fan of permanente progress in extraction games i think this one could work. It gives you renown in the comunity like leaderboards.

My idea is that once you find an artifact if it was lootes by you, there is a way to attach it to your soul. A special trial starts and once you complete it, that artifact is part of your character. You can't lose it and no one can take it from you. But, you can't unequip it and that is the only artifact your character will be able to attach. Unless you delete that character or until wipe.

If balance is a problem, you could make it start with gray item stats but keeping the ability. And each time you extract, the weapon upgrades one rarity simulating how you usually get better gear between games. You go back to gray if you die.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/654711/character-identity-through-artifacts

[broken rapids]

Give pickaxe more breaking power.
Why shitload of weapons can break doors, wood, ice and legit tool for breaking stuff cant?

[bold isle]

I don’t think that will solve the queue problem.
It seems like the same problem as Tarkov now will happen.

[jolly leaf]

I like that. It would be nice to test it. But you need to make Artifact even harder to get then

[limber elbow]

how the hell Rogue got hit in the leg by Dragonfly and drop 55% HP , before nerf only 30-40 % now drop below 50% What the hell is this

[tall star]

Make 'Arena' an in-game event.

Certain days out of the month, players who choose the ruins map can go to the in game Arena section.

2 sides of entrance, when you enter the gates close, only way out is the other entrance, once two players are in there they are locked till only 1 is alive -- 1v1s only

Players that survive get the spoils of the kill + a small rewards, they have 30 seconds to stay for next round or leave via blue or red portal

This would reduce a que, and give players something to do that directly incorporate the game itself.

Food for thought

[queen isle]

"players who choose the ruins map"
Yes, lets increase the queues while we're already down to a consistent <5,000 players.

Arena queues are already awful for most people.

[inland terrace]

Still is the biggest enemy. Skeleton crossbowman does 120+ damage to the head

[broken rapids]

Actually Nightmare Centaur who oneshots ppl with rushing attack. :d

[light stratus]

i dont know i put myself through this fucking game.

[crude hill]

Think that the chances of looting an artifact of your class are low.

[jolly leaf]

True, honestly I just want to make them more rare on boss drop but add more way to get one. Each have low drop rate but you can get one by several way. It's kinda like that right now, there's spot where artefact can spawn loose on a pedestal but the drop rate difference between a boss and this is so huge that it's a miracle if you found one "on the ground". Like in key room, or I think you can get one in the treasure room in the middle of Cyclops/Troll and Banshee/Knight. But the drop rate are miserable compared to the several% of a Lich or GK etc when it can be harder to get there than to kill Lich or GK some time (especially the key room, there's not worth at all compared to bossing in terms of artefact drop)

[abstract bone]

oh boy so i can get a artfiact once in every 100 kills instead of 50?!

[crude hill]

He says this because of my suggestion. Because if you can have permanent artifacts you have to balance it's drop rate so having artifacts doesn't turn in the rule at some point of the wipe. Its a legit concern. Even if i think he is wrong.

[jolly leaf]

1 on 50 kill instead of 100 but more chance to drop it in a key room or in the dual boss treasure room. And in the context of Arminion suggestion

[abstract bone]

I mean nothing is stopping guys from just buying the artifacts. It's been happening with 0 moderation towards it.

[icy knot]

Nerf artefacts?

[crude hill]

that why i said "only looted artefacts" but im not sure what were you talking about.

[icy knot]

Speed up demon transformation drastically at max stacks so it's viable even without gear.

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development VOTED UP press please, thank you. (my suggestion doesn't mean I want to introduce all these changes, it's just hints in what direction to go) I apologize if you have already read this text. We need to collect more votes=).
Increase the damage of the knight's sword and short sword! Or create a pair of weapons for the slayer. We demand the introduction of crafting options for knight swords and short swords! an artifact for left-handed weapons, is also necessary. The vampire blade is of no use in pvp.

[icy knot]

How about not being able to get AP points in solo HR
Or
How about being able to play only trios in HR 🧠

[rare sparrow]

Why tho

[abstract bone]

Fishu only cares about making the game more unenjoyable for people.

[rare sparrow]

Makes sense

[somber notch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/655027/login-calendar check it out!

[unborn fulcrum]

What if there were more meaningful puzzle/locked rooms? An example being the monuments from Rust, getting randomly dropped keys from mobs. Some rooms could give keys to bigger rooms.

[icy knot]

To show that game is trio focused.

• reduce number of queues

[broken rapids]

I already stopped playing HR and enjoy Norms more.. dont ruin it even more:)
I still think there should and have to be Solo que.
Also AP should be shared across all classes, since there is just 1 reward and maybe be like "AP journey rewards" (I dont want to call it Battlepass)

[ornate moon]

RE-add Solo Duo and Trio Ques, killing the game with how it is. I'v died every game to a trio with 100x better gear than me and even when I do get better gear I will die because Its three against one

[spark marsh]

Today, I realized that the best option for balancing the classes is to give the slayer a separate weapon, such as a pair of swords that can only be worn together and cannot be worn separately. This will allow you to balance the damage in the left hand and adjust the length of attacks, animations, and so on. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development VOTED UP press please, thank you. (my suggestion doesn't mean I want to introduce all these changes, it's just hints in what direction to go) I apologize if you have already read this text. We need to collect more votes=).
Increase the damage of the knight's sword and short sword! Or create a pair of weapons for the slayer. We demand the introduction of crafting options for knight swords and short swords! an artifact for left-handed weapons, is also necessary. The vampire blade is of no use in pvp.

[dull sphinx]

hey im comming back to the game after a bit of time and was wondering if anyone has some tips on gaining some early wealth or other tips i havent played in about a year

[broken rapids]

you can hop in PvE mode and get some practice sooo. lets go and enjoy exploration

[rare sparrow]

so make solo play even more unenjoyable with no positives got it. you know the queues wouldn't be impacted at all with how it's currently set up right

[dull sphinx]

i would be happy if they just gave an auto group to make it easyier to meet new players

[broken rapids]

Try LFG threads here on discord.
its better find party players for more than 1 game. 🙂

[full patrol]

I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you @keen onyx said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

[jolly leaf]

They seriously need to use it. It would avoid so many issues... But it need to be improved and open to Steam player to incentivize people to use it : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[broken rapids]

Buff daggers or merge dagger mastery+thrust

[icy knot]

Oh sorry my suggestion takes into account that solos is back

[nocturne quest]

Bring nametags back in norms bro

[shrewd dust]

BRING NAMETAGS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valid oak]

Bring back spammable curses for war as it was before. Make TM warlock a competitive class in pvp without having to spend millions.
Make darkbolt a useful spell.
Don't force us to play nobrain W+left click classes.
Thanks.

[last fog]

Remove teaming you bring backed the solo just remove Y

[limber elbow]

ye @keen onyx f @dawn grotto and all ironmace are true N.oo.B , play solo but can't report teaming because they can shake hand and become squad 2 or 3 , so there are no solo mode they just put there and bait you back

[icy knot]

Make it +10 all at this point
Burn this game to the ground

[cunning palm]

why should you bring nametags back??? without is so funny

[novel tundra]

Is the info available when the next wipe will happen?

[icy knot]

#game-discussion message

The result of semi-wipe experiment that pushed 90% of content creators and 70% of the playerbase away:

• no more duos
• teaming is encouraged in solos
• no gear brackets - timmy stomping is encouraged
• no more +ms rolls (don't worry, ms meta is still here, but it's really expensive - build agi on everything)
• socketing no longer gives you max rolls (BIS is more valuable, reserved only for sweats)
• less hp for everyone
• all gear has +1 base stat

But lets also look at the positives:

• no more door fights
  ... I think that's it

Estranging most of your playerbase to make experiments that could have been avoided (by modifying things incrementally) would have been ideal. It's not healthy to use your entire playerbase as free testing 2 years into EA.

Great job making balancing much easier just to revert everything so now it will be just as messy as before with all the random mods.

The future does not look bright. Considering how insecure all the balance changes have been so far, imagine what will happen when they add that "new system" sdf mentioned that will make random modifiers not needed... It's going to be messy and we will probably be lab rats again.

[jolly leaf]

Could have been avoided by modifying things incrementally, or by actualy using the fkn test server. We've been screaming that for at least a year now, they need to make it available for Steam user, and make it so you don't have to grind (every class lvl 20, max affinity, a very easy daily quest that give you a lot of gold or free gear). https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players
It could also have been avoided by trying to think of the consequences of removing such important feature and listening to people who asked for the return of the Season 5 random attribute, but it seem like SDF is just incapable of that, he can't see how destructive his way of doing thing is and how obvious are the issues it's creating.
And after all that, after 3 week of non sense and flip flop he take the place of CEO...

You don't deserve it

[jolly leaf]

We could have had 3 week of implementing the guilds and/or hideout system he talked about. Or 3 week of making new spell and skill for the class who lack builds diversity like he talked about......... I believe in his vision of making a shift of the gameplay loop from "Farming gear for PvP" to "Getting wealth to finance guilds, hideout, training system and other gold sink/feature" but he need to understand that this is the priority

[valid falcon]

Day 4 of asking for a potion that just kills you when you drink it

[broken rapids]

Rogue changes:
Abilities:
Weakpoints attack = make it usefull even for PvE - works like Bards shriek to monsters
Ability wheel(Casters like) = Ability to choose Smoke bomb/Caltrops/Blinding sand/Poison cloud...
Cutthroat(Or new ability) = Paralyze -target is unable to attack (Giant spider spit like

Perks merge:
Lockpicking+Pickpocket = These could be merged together
Daggermastery+Thrust = since daggers are weak+PDR got buffed, and Short sword is way better+almost no rogue use Dagger mastery rn. this might be the way.

Overall change:
NO SLOW on hit, unless its hit to legs.

[eager tinsel]

Crazy idea we get rid of the partying up mechanic in solos 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[hollow estuary]

suggestion: evacuate the kitchen from sdf's hands

[tall star]

How would that increase the ques? I would think it would decrease it.. you'd remove the "Arena" que and just add the concept into an exisiting que

[merry gazelle]

trios now feel like duos and trios only, no one is going solo into trios thats crazy @keen onyx could you try putting the auto-fil checkbox back on maybe?

that way solos can still exist within trios but theres better options that cater to both duos and solos.

would be sweet to see an in game gathering hall thats similar to the old pre-lobbies. that way players could meet to party up or sell items, just chat, etc.

[gentle minnow]

no. team fill just skews the lobby to have more teams than anything else. Leave the game populating naturally. Most of the people I come across are solos anyway.

in game gathering hall thats similar to the old pre-lobbies. that way players could meet to party up or sell items, just chat, etc.
This however is what they do need to add. Still allows for natural party formation and player interaction. 👍

[merry gazelle]

solos will continue to get destroyed in trios and then there will be no solo players running in trios, its already skewed to have more teams as no one wants to 1v3

if you want "natural" or organic then having the option to team-fill would achieve this as its not forced

[quartz spear]

why is common zweihander's damage lower than common longsword's? Zweihander is the bulkier and slower compared to longsword so it should have a higher damage output, also the zweihander does not have a riposte option for tremendous damage.

[full patrol]

Too heavy and long to riposte, but maybe a block would help.

[icy knot]

I would like to read what SDF has to say in his kitchen

[jolly leaf]

⬆️

[icy knot]

Maybe SDF is like: you don't like me so I'm gonna make your life miserable

[subtle plinth]

what if warlocks soul collecter perk was changed to make player kills give you a bloody shard, which gave 30% dark magic damage and +2 all and would never be consumed unless you activated demon contract, in which case the shards would be consumed to give +5 all per shard

[frosty knoll]

Rock, paper, scissors emote should have same reqirement as handshake involving stowing all weapons.

Just saw a video of someone repeating the emote until they land on paper and using it to fake handshakes with a windlass crossbow equipped.

[dense rampart]

fix the mobs that shit is ridculous

[merry gazelle]

having two of the same classes on one team in arena needs to go @keen onyx should not be allowed at all

[spark marsh]

give 1 speed back to the Lace Shoes. You literally made them worse than boots of skill+dexterity. (they were already worse, but you killed them permanently by removing the bonus).

Today, I realized that the best option for balancing the classes is to give the slayer a separate weapon, such as a pair of swords that can only be worn together and cannot be worn separately. This will allow you to balance the damage in the left hand and adjust the length of attacks, animations, and so on. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development VOTED UP press please, thank you. (my suggestion doesn't mean I want to introduce all these changes, it's just hints in what direction to go) I apologize if you have already read this text. We need to collect more votes=).
Increase the damage of the knight's sword and short sword! Or create a pair of weapons for the slayer. We demand the introduction of crafting options for knight swords and short swords! an artifact for left-handed weapons, is also necessary. The vampire blade is of no use in pvp.

[daring marsh]

add teammate names back. this shit is dumb

[devout dagger]

Give normals nameplates back!!!

[jolly leaf]

give both mode nameplates

[devout dagger]

Agree !!

[karmic fractal]

Chaperon is just better arcane hood. Nearly exact same stats, but chap has MR and hood doesn't. Make gear differnet

[merry gazelle]

for REAL!!!!! if you want remove them in HR only to give it more of a HR/big boy gigachad vibe.

I get no name tags means you need to communicate and work together but holy shit can you imagine as a new player trying to learn the game and cant even find ur team

[grim pond]

They got to fix the same class on the same team in Arenas when you Q up

[spark marsh]

Make notes for your friends. You literally don't know who your friends are.

The ability to make notes in the friends list would improve the game.

[foggy skiff]

sdf whu

@keen onyx Y

[icy knot]

By the way, by increasing the gap between the body/limb multiplier and headshot damage, you've made it harder for new players to win fights since they don't really care where their hits land, while pros will always aim for the head.
So either you bring these numbers closer together to make the game more enjoyable for new players, or you widen the gap even more for some 'skill expression one tap tarkov' nonsense.

I like skill expression, but 200% is way too much — it just leaves new players in the dirt.

[rare tundra]

remove bardiche

your clear chat history doesn't work can you do anything right

[proper shadow]

I suggest EVERYONE stops playing the game because SDF doesn’t deserve success. Especially if he’s not going to listen to his community ever.

[spark marsh]

https://www.twitch.tv/tumaslow/clip/MildBlazingGoblinTwitchRaid-KeTYvFwF3fLOpAzL https://www.twitch.tv/tumaslow/clip/OddUglyDugongPanicVis-TDVvKEsi0HSFkxcX For a slayer, I can barely kill a wizard in melee. But he can kill me with 2 hits. Your game is crap. Shove your 200% up your ass.

[gentle minnow]

@keen onyx Dungeon recovery system is apparently still returning gear to players if you were in a team automatically. Dungeon recovery is supposed to be gone entirely except for adventure mode.

[jolly leaf]

It's 2 different feature. What's called "Dungeon recovery" is the goblin giving back the gear still on your body at the end of the game after you died. The fact he give you back the gear that's yours and that your teammates extracted with is normal. It's meant to avoid people just team killing you and stealing your gear. If a teammates try to extract with your gear the goblin give it back to you

[gentle minnow]

alright I understand that's a feature when matchmaking exists and artificial restrictions. But now they have clearly changed direction back to the original game and actively want anything to happen like it used to. They want people to team up and whatnot, which is fine, but about betrayal and backstabbing? If that happens and you loot them their stuff just goes back to them from the recovery. This just seems to conflict. And what if I met a person and did the handshake, if he dies. He if pick the stuff up, it goes back to them? That's just weird.

[full patrol]

I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you @sdf said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

[inland terrace]

@keen onyx update the test server already

[broken rapids]

Rogue changes:
Abilities:
Weakpoints attack = make it usefull even for PvE - works like Bards shriek to monsters
Ability wheel(Casters like) = Ability to choose Smoke bomb/Caltrops/Blinding sand/Poison cloud...
Cutthroat(Or new ability) = Paralyze -target is unable to attack (Giant spider spit like

Perks merge:
Lockpicking+Pickpocket = These could be merged together
Daggermastery+Thrust = since daggers are weak+PDR got buffed, and Short sword is way better+almost no rogue use Dagger mastery rn. this might be the way.

Overall change:
NO SLOW on hit, unless its hit to legs.

[full patrol]

@keen onyx I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.
July 20, 2025

[icy knot]

I suggest you start caring about playerbase

[jolly leaf]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players
#suggestion-discussion message November 03, 2024

[tepid parcel]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Armorize-Shayne/comments/1m4ukvj/dark_and_darker_human_remains_where_to_find/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

human remains info where should I leave this

[jolly leaf]

#game-discussion I guess. If someone ask for it

[tepid parcel]

Im just leaving it in suggestions and then assuming google would take them to it since its on reddit.

Should help someone sometime

[fierce raven]

I just noticed that you cant accept the Goblin Cave Mission 7 until you complete Frost Mountain Mission 12. Think that wasn't intended.

[vague verge]

lets add duos back like wtf literally 0 fun in this game anymore because i get to go fight trios when all i want to do is play with my friend

[dense wasp]

We need a ducking quick stash button

[valid falcon]

Day 5 of asking for a Potion that just kills you when you drink it

[fervent fern]

Can we remove the 200% dmg on headshot god damn it give a big advantage to range plus its not fun to get one shot or almost

And can we buff pdr for fighter ,barb as a class is just so better when mid max as a melee class

[queen isle]

just remove it for range

[queen isle]

fighter literally just got a MASSIVE pdr buff, what are you on about

[broken rapids]

i suggest u try Rogue dark souls, before complain about pdr classes

[broken rapids]

Remove Slow on hit

• make it work only to legs
  ADD Decrease atk speed
• if hits upper body

[abstract bone]

Give every class ranged weapons since ya'll fucking love range meta so much

[broken rapids]

Drums exists

[icy knot]

Remove slow from bow and crossbow

[karmic fractal]

Plea from a long time player:

1. Remove HR from the game. It serves no purpose, genuinely. Make each level of your crypt map increasingly difficult with more nightmare/elites as you progress. Ruins mobs are easy, crypt slightly harder, hell harder still. Rewards increase with difficulty. Combine the player pools.

2. Remove Adventure mode. Ya.

3. The number of mobs on the map (especially in HR) in some modules is too d*** high. having 15 nightmares in a room isn't interesting, it isn't fun, and it's only frustrating for pvp. There is no reason to force players to either sprint through modules and lock mobs away, or spend tons of time clearing (especially for newer players)

cut the pve by literally 50% in some of the more egregious modules.

4. Stop splitting your players into 20 different queues between maps, normals, adventure mode, hr, etc etc etc. You need 2 modes. A premade mode, and an LFG queue. 2 queues total. Premade and LFG. You can queue as 1, 2, or 3 in either of these modes and optionally fill your party in the LFG mode.

Embrace the strongest parts of your game, and stop splitting your players 100 different ways. DO NOT bring back gear score queues, ever.

5. Every single friend i've had play this game expresses the same thing. How annoying and unfun the PVE is. How obstructive and intrusive it feels. This is especially true in HR. It isn't fun, it just isn't. It's not that the mobs aren't killable, or that they can't be mastered, it's that they stand in the way of the actual fun parts of your game. Bosses taking time and being difficult or risky is a different story. Filling every module with lethal npcs is miserable, and boring.

6. Stop making new maps. Nobody cares about your pirate map. You're adding more ways to split your small playerbase, when every map but crypt is ALREADY dead. If you do keep adding new maps, you need to find ways to incoorperate them into the main gameplay loop, not add more queues.

7. Finally listen to your community. The people who love and play your game. There are coutnless examples of immense backlash for changes that NOBODY is asking for or wants, and you do it anyway for the sake of the vision. If you want anyone to follow you to your end state, stop the flip flop changes, and stop the direction switches. You've changed the same perks 5+ times, and more in some examples and your game is in pre-release state.

You aren't going to have a following left if you don't figure out what your game is and stick to it.

You're already at 10% of the players you were at on steam re-launch. The way the game is currently, with all of the complaints listed above, that number isn't going to ever grow. You have a 5+ year project on life support and you're STILL making the same mistakes you've claimed to have learned from many times at this point.

People are tired of the excuses. They mean nothing at this point.

[broken rapids]

Solo/LFG/PREMADE. And im ok with everything this guy said

[valid oak]

Me too

[frigid skiff]

Nah that’s stupid.

Just add rotating maps to HR, nerf mobs by a lil.
Remove pve mode.

[narrow horizon]

for the new map we should get shovels and buried treasure

[fossil fossil]

Better yet, make the slow on leg hit a perk.

[broken rapids]

There is but nobody uses that. (ranger)
Also Barb has "Achiles strike" which he doesnt need even hit leg..

• weapons hits does shitload of slow
• barbs got AoE slow.. like.. for what?..

Hitting legs to give small amount of slow sounds way better in natural way.

[inland terrace]

I second point number five

MAKE MOBS LESS OF A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE @keen onyx I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO QUICKLY CLOSE DOORS OR SPEND 5 MINUTES IN EACH MODULE

[icy knot]

I spend 20 second max

[rugged mantle]

why remove adventure mode? it helps new players and returning players to learn the game without getting molested by giga juicelords every 5 min

[brisk junco]

If pve is an issue for u ur not skilled enough for me to take ur suggestion seriously just go play the game timmy

[karmic fractal]

It isn't about skill or not skilled. It's about an unnessesarily obstructive part of the game, that every "new" player i've asked to try the game (more than 10 of my own friend group) have explicitly expressed as a point that makes them not want to play the game.

These are all players that are gamers and statistically great at many other games. It isn't something they can't learn to deal with. It isn't that they're "too hard". It's just not fun - objectively.

If games are built with only the top players in mind, no game would survive. You can't complain about player count and simultaneously not take new player feedback seriously. A constant stream of new players is the only way games don't die. Fact

[chilly snow]

@keen onyx prolly thinks the new map is going to save the game

[subtle plinth]

could be substituted with a tutorial map like sdf said he would add, it would be a great help to new players cause my first time playing after the playtests i quit cause i couldnt find an exit and kept on dying to mobs

[abstract bone]

because they want the game to be as unplayable as possible for newer players. (only vets with thousands of hours are allowed to play the game)

[icy knot]

Remov pve
Make boring offline tutorial map

[valid falcon]

Day 6 of asking for a Potion that just kills you when you drink it

[vague verge]

Make the game how it used to be, you ever wonder why so many people played and now they don’t because your game is horrid now. Fix it.

[patent mauve]

I suggest everyone try cleric troll cheese, it's something that hasnt changed since patch 69-1

[spark marsh]

I have the final file on Slayer's proposal. It will be short. But I don't want to create a separate post and collect votes again. Here is the final decision. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uv6Lgx-zkM8mhTAoKO-Ty4qpCztnp0cv/view?usp=sharing https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development

Preface: I had several suggestions for Slayer before. But I realized that there is a better idea...

1. Slayer needs a separate subclass weapon (or class, if a separate Slayer class is created), initially a paired weapon. With different attack mechanics and different damage, armor penetration, and movement speed penalty characteristics.
   This is so that the balance of Slayer's weapon is not based on someone else's weapon, which makes it difficult to adjust damage due to class conflicts. (For example, short swords have low damage because they can be used by rogues, who get a damage buff from invisibility.)
   This weapon should have a paired block to block attacks or even reflect some spells with the fighter's ability, so that the slayer does not need a shield and his blocking skill depends only on his abilities. At the moment, the slayer is forced to strike a plate-armored fighter 10 times, while 1 parry from the fighter kills him with 1 parry attack. There needs to be a way to block a sword counterattack.
   This weapon cannot be used by fighters without the Weapon Master perk (I will explain why later).
   This weapon should have a significant slowdown when hitting an opponent. At the moment, the short sword and the knight's sword do not restrict movement, so the result is that the person always runs away after 1-2 attacks from the slayer.
   This weapon should be easier to carry in your hands to compensate for the Slayer's low defense with its ability to maneuver in battle.

2. Combining the Dual Wield and Slayer perks (a quick option if there are no plans to create a new class or they are in development, which may take time) This option allows the Slayer to take an additional fighter perk that will increase his survivability. It also prevents armored fighters from taking the Dual Wielding perk to create hybrids in armor.

3. In the absence of the Breakthrough skill, some kind of long-range combat ability is needed.

A) Add a nuance to the Slayer perk that the 10% bonus to action speed will work on all of Slayer's weapons, simply by having this perk. And not only when two swords are in his hands. This will allow him to quickly maneuver between the weapons in his hands and on his belt.
(Currently, there is a terrible delay where, after firing a crossbow, you switch to swords and cannot attack for 3 seconds, which is either a bug or something else. In 100% of cases, this results in the death of the slayer. Also, reloading the crossbow is so slow that you can only fire one shot in battle. (This means death if you are facing a caster.) (Since the slayer does not focus heavily on dexterity stats due to the need for all stats (agility, strength, stamina, dexterity). B) Or, when going into close combat, a working button. The Breakthrough ability should ignore all repulsions and the Wizard's lightning freeze. (This option is not bad, but in a team game, no one will allow the slayer to run to the other end of the room. Sometimes it is simply necessary to fight only at a distance, because the slayer's offensive abilities are significantly less than those of a barbarian, and such a risk with weak armor and no magic resistance will simply make him a madman running to his death).

C) But I do not deny the possibility of these two options together. But we are not building a god, right? He is still afraid of magic and physical damage. He will simply get the opportunity to somehow resist some of it.

Afterword: My previous post sounded like an analysis of the slayer and an attempt to adapt it to the realities of the game, but this one contains a conclusion. Briefly about the solution to a long list of problems.

This weapon cannot be used by other fighters. The “Slayer” perk is required to carry this weapon, and the Weapon Master perk should not allow ordinary fighters to use it if they do not have the Slayer perk. (I will explain why later). amendment

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

[past sky]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto HEY HOW YOU GUYS FIND FUNNY TO TROLL LIKE THIS AND MAKE THE CROSSBOWMAN 1 INSTA SHOT WITH AIMBOT BRO

COMING FROM A DEMIGOD PLAYER WITH PENALTIES SEASON, NOT THE FREE ELO U GUYS GAVE PAST SEASON

[spark marsh]

Lol, I'm stoked, finally I'm not hiding on the slayer, I made myself a monster and kill barbarians while shouting, I like it. Probably the most relevant slayer build. Until the developers take my suggestions into account, I'll probably keep playing with this build.

[limber elbow]

Game is dead and ironmace keep nerf Rogue , all people keep blame about ambush Rogue in 7 season but there are no rogue player in the game and they keep blame and rogue keep getting nerf , game keep more useless update and all player keep leaving the game

[spark marsh]

Oh, you can't post screenshots here. Anyway, I gave up on sword skills and got myself a barbarian's club and a bandit's crossbow. Perfect. In the second slot, I have a medium bow. All stats are for strength. I don't have to run away, and if someone else runs away, I don't have to chase them. I just shoot.

[icy knot]

Shapeshift mastery has to go for druid to be strong and balanced

[pastel cairn]

How To (Actually) Make DaD Great Again:

1. SDF hires Game Director and steps back from development to focus on future Ironmace projects
2. Sorc and Wizard combined into one class (why wiz have ice mastery and one ice spell. sorc has lightning mastery bruh why)
3. disable Druid next wipe for re-design
4. introduce early access version of Monk (give him meditation from wiz bruh why wiz have meditate)
5. solos only game mode
6. separate Solo Self Found season with its own Arena, Adventure Points, and Leaderboards
7. fine release stupid water map whatever
8. 150% headshot multiplier
9. Monthly content teasers and release development roadmap for Q4 '25 -> Q2 '26
10. twitch drops always a W

[abstract bone]

fail ragebait 0/10

[graceful sleet]

just revert to release again bruh

[hollow crystal]

Guys, I haven't played since the HIgh Roller season ended... I just came back, opened up the market just to give a quick look and there it was -> a Recurve Bow with +1 true physical. What are they doing at this point with modifiers lmao

another episode of removing all modifiers and returning even stronger? sheet is crazy

[patent mauve]

True/Weapon/Add only rolls on weapons now, true damage is only a static roll for phoenix and frost amulets.

[hollow crystal]

Ah, so now it's not on gloves/capes anymore? I see, I see, nice

[lofty tiger]

An idea for the game would be ta have an ingame "hotspot" where everyone can see on the map perhaps a random module that drops good loot, would endorse some pvp and objectives. While at it to make the map more interactive add some type of pingsystem where as if someone triggers a trap or if you pull a lever you can see where it happened on the map

[icy knot]

Nah it would be too good of a content.
We can't have that

[swift widget]

guys can someone tell me what class to use on wyvern? no one is answering on the other chats

[icy knot]

I suggest to make bosses unable to slay solo

[steep robin]

warlocvk

[fossil fossil]

11. Get rid of classes. Allow players to choose their build and allocate say 1 stat point per level (up to 15)*.Not respecable

12. Make gear no longer class dependant.

Damn this chat is dead.

[slender salmon]

Please remove teaming from solos, this was never allowed in the first place.

[fossil fossil]

agreed

[limber elbow]

all streamer say they are all ready to see this game end , and all player know this is last season they can play before N.oo.B ironmace put more useless thing and kill the game in season 7

[sterile osprey]

Damn I remember when this chat was going nonstop this game really did fall off

[fossil fossil]

That happens when you make changes the playerbase voice hate over. Silence those who disagree and only 'listen' to a minority of players.
At some point you gotta realize they knew what they were doing. The game was a money grab. I definetly feel cheated after buying the premium game as well as the season pass. We were promised so much but all we were given was drama, lies and balance changes that were never asked for.

Its frustrating.

[rare tundra]

Bring back last patch

[dim pier]

fix the game (might be to ambitious)

[valid falcon]

Day 7 of asking for a Potion that just Kills You when you Drink it.

[finite lark]

can we please bring server selector back? me and my friends have absolutely no reason to play the game while we can't use a middle-ground server. we live in different continents but we only bought the game in order to play together as we had been able to since early versions.

[coral glen]

I just read the recent announcement and I feel like one thing is missing: changes to Axe Specialization

[icy knot]

Patch looks good(no bias)
Dark Swarm is back but that's the price for looting good items.

[brazen brook]

I really wish they would give warlocks the kris dagger back

[icy knot]

1. Replace Dark Swarm with map specific effect as circle
   Ice map = freezing circle
   Goblin caves = collapsing circle
   Ruins = curse circle
   Inferno = fire circle

2. Remove circle = make everyone happy.
   2.1 Make match ending effects appear earlier?
   2.2 Let player be able to fight with the Dungeon?

• Goblin caves = falling rocks but let player be able to dodge them just like in fight with cyclops
• Crypts = Dark Swarm but let player be able to deter the swarm with light.
• Ice maps but let player be able to counter freezing with 🔥

@keen onyx

[stoic nacelle]

@keen onyx can we stop messing around and just put nameplates back for everyone. I dont think it makes a difference, especially now that solo and duo are back as seperate maps and wueues

[fossil fossil]

Agreed. Doesn’t fit rogue anyways.

[stoic nacelle]

both classes it makes sense for

[limber elbow]

We have also modified the impact power of weapons and their ability to destroy doors. Our original intention by giving more classes the ability break doors with their weapons was to improve the ability to run away. What we saw in-game actually ran counter to our intention and ended up giving an advantage to the pursuer. We still like the ability to break doors as it removes the stalemate of ‘Door and Doorer' when parties actually want to engage each other. We have now re-balanced most of the weapons' and door’s impact power to allow player to make a tactical decision to remove a door instead of just one-shotting it BUT DAGGER CAN'T NEVER BREAK THE DOOR BUT ALL OTHER CLASS CAN THAT BIG BUFF FOR ALL CLASS AND NERF ON ROGUE AGAIN , THEY CAN'T RUN AND CLOSE DOOR , THOSE N.OO.B IRONMACE ONLY AIM ROGUE FOR NERF RIGHT @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[icy knot]

Big buff for all classes?
Rogue opens door within 2 seconds. Should rogue be nerfed?

Use drums to break doors?

[brisk junco]

Wooo more reverts is thinking against IM policy why is every update nothing but garbage reverts @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[spark oar]

i also have a map suggestion for goblin caves while im sure you are working on it or have thoughts:

the next layer of the caves could be a goblin fort or base within the depths of the caves as you dive deeper you see where their main force is or lives (lore)

Boss:
you could add a goblin king or bugbear
Subbosses:
could be a chromatic hobgoblin (advanced hobgoblin) or some form of bigger goblin.
Goblin champion (armored big goblin)
Goblin Ascendant: makes surronding goblins stronger (like how the imp heals mobs)
Smaller version of a troll (similar to the abomination)
Mobs:
Could be archers, warriors, magic using, small goblins that are a pack (similar to wolves when you attack one if they are close enough they aggro as well)

[limber elbow]

just ask you 1 n.oo.b question , about all other start vigor 6 get 1 tap by any hit , low weapon damage low streng low will only thing he got is fast interaction speed , ranger the same why you dont talk about it ??? stop blame because you got jumb scare by rogue and hate it

[icy knot]

#warlock message
@keen onyx Nerf squire gear somehow.. make people loot chests when they spawn

[eternal raptor]

Adjust headshot modifier you donuts, nothing is fun when you get 1-2 tapped. Ttk is too short already to justify a 200% headshot modifier. It removes the class identity from cleric and lifebloom Druid if they have zero opportunity to utilize their healing potential to one taps in the head, like what are we DOING @keen onyx

[eternal raptor]

@dawn grotto Can you shine some light on this inquiry

[broken rapids]

"We have also modified the impact power of weapons and their ability to destroy doors. Our original intention by giving more classes the ability break doors with their weapons was to improve the ability to run away. What we saw in-game actually ran counter to our intention and ended up giving an advantage to the pursuer. We still like the ability to break doors as it removes the stalemate of ‘Door and Doorer' when parties actually want to engage each other. We have now re-balanced most of the weapons' and door’s impact power to allow player to make a tactical decision to remove a door instead of just one-shotting it (which is still possible but requires the ‘Crush’ skill.)"

JUST ADD PICKAXE BREAKING POWER to doors, ice etc

[valid falcon]

Pickaxes shouldnt help with anything except mining (door breaking mentioned above is fine) (I say this as someone who holds a pickaxe for doors and piles)

[broken rapids]

For example Rogue cant break shit with anything. so Pickaxe should be legit same for everyone. - Problem solved, atleast for hidden chcests spots etc, which need to be broken before enter.
I mean even if you can break doors after 5 hits, make it only with Pickaxe OR Crush perk

And legit Pickaxe is made for breaking stuff, so why the fk it should be at other weapons?(Except crush ability).
Want broke doors? wear pickaxe in inv.

[languid thorn]

EMBARK Studios should have made Dark and Darker - change my mind
(makers of The Finals + ARC Raiders)

[umbral iron]

Make everything 1 qq.

Just buff solos and duos so they get more stats and make hits to kill overall greater.

Trios will have more resources and sources of damage to outplay solos.
Duos can use their advantage to deal massive damage to a solos player.
And Solos can feel powerful capable and have the confidence to face trios and duos.

Just be mindful to not give them movement speed, increase their vigor/pdr/mdr.

and have a clear way to show that someone is solos/duos/trios.
you already have the sash implemented, make them wear that so you have a clear visual identifier.

Con you please for the love of god learn something about positive and negative feedback loops?
Please, game design is pretty important in order to do game development and these changes do not make sense in the long run.

[icy knot]

No amount of effort can achieve a 1v3 balance as good as simply separating these modes

[fossil fossil]

@blazing vapor do the devs actually implement any of these or are they wasted typings of people desperate for the revival of this game?

[brisk junco]

Nope talking to the wind g

[patent mauve]

Add a rotational dungeon queue for different party sizes maybe

[hollow estuary]

nope, never

[signal burrow]

warlock/bard. super ez on warlock. watch videos on attack pattern, watched a wizard cook wyvern, it isnt a class issue its a skillcheck

[jolly leaf]

Absolutely never. I don't know who they're listening but it's not to suggestions on this channel or the website

[icy knot]

reduce gear diff

[queen isle]

why does this channel even exist? lmfao

[rugged mantle]

so ironmace can rub their nips and pretend theyre helping/listening

[queen isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/820416986117832708/949876190611644416/redditsave.com_j19g505ebhk81.gif

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[broken rapids]

So they can read and not add stuff we would love to.

[inland terrace]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip

Revert the patch already. This is ridiculous

[mighty fulcrum]

they cant read

[feral night]

roll it back 2 wipes what the fuck

[urban ore]

Suggestion: Let SDF stay CEO and handle the business while the big boys develop the game
Suggestion: Put Graysun down like the dog he is and bring in a Community Manager that actually promotes the game and looks to broaden the playerbase, not shit on the studio and multiple content creators

[small gulch]

to be honest thats fire af

[upper coral]

I know this has been said before, but I won't be able to move on until I say my part. "Ironmace" has created arguably one of the greatest games to hit the market. At one point, we sat for hours using a torrent to download something only to be able to play it for a few days. Now we sit here worried about what they are going to do next to push the rest of the committed players away. They throw these patches at us like we are lab rats and most of us end up being "killed" in the process because it seems like they have a dart board with all of their ideas and they cannot seem to hit a bullseye. I can remember them thanking us for all of the valuable data that we gave them in the past and now it feels like they look at the data, wipe their asses with it, and throw the next shitty idea at us.
Honestly, it was good while it lasted, but in the end, **** you, you deserve what happens to your company.

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[last escarp]

I personally think they are backing themselves into a corner with the new map the game desperately needs progression and other elements added into the pre existing dungeon in order to add a sense of worth and accomplishment that isn’t hoarding wealth. This new map looks like it has some really nice elements and may even be the best, but even if it is it sets a new standard that’s not reflected in the other maps leading to even more dead lobbies in the 3 other maps

And after all the hype for the new map is over it’s just the same old same old make money early wipe have to much with nothing else to spend on or go do that isn’t making more money so you make artifact kit/random kits and go PvP till wipe

[subtle plinth]

infernal pledge should eliminate the hp drain from demon form

[limber elbow]

Ironmace say skill tree will be in the game before 2025 but only see the nerf and so many shtt update

[icy knot]

by the way "freezing" should not be an emote it could be an animation that happens when your character stands still for too long on ice map.

instead of adding it to the game normally they made it as cosmetic to make more money 🤦‍♀️

[icy knot]

For this game to be new player friendly there has to be less pvp in the dungeon, and gear gap should be lowered. Random rolls from season 5 were good(without main rolls like str,vig,agi and true,+all,ms)

If you want battle royale shooter, just make another game

[icy knot]

Why are mobs without armor tankier than those with armor?

[broken rapids]

Change barbarians healing after kill perk to be continuous heal, not instant.

[subtle plinth]

strong bones

[dawn shadow]

@keen onyx make bard not have to play songs its anoying 🙏

[subtle plinth]

@keen onyx make it so that we give the armourer the peice we want upgraded then give him the ore we want him to upgrade it so

[broken rapids]

We need map rotations.. its kinda booring runing only Ruins as trio.

[icy knot]

true

[icy knot]

maybe increase mob density in HR?
watch Devil May Cry 5 Dante Legendary Dark Knight to see what i'm talking about

[boreal parcel]

The current state of the stat meta does not allow golden cloak to be viable vs its cost to craft. Especially since they buffed all the cloaks by 1 stat and golden cloak was left untouched...The reason Golden cloaks got nerfed was because people complained about all stats... if we are just going to put it back in the game on rings and necks why not just make golden cloak 1 all again and make it actually usable.

[strange mantle]

can we make arena last 7 days pls

[limber elbow]

game easy to fix but ironmace only n.oo.b working , just balance start all base at 10 , with barbarian got 15 str and 14 vigor , with rogue 15 dex and 13 agi , Wiz 15 know and 15 will and keep all for all other class , no class op and no one can stack any start to high , no one shot , no fast hit , keep nerf item keep nerf one class keep nerf weapon damage fix nothing but DEVS are N.OO.B

[broken rapids]

They have to increase everything on everyone, so they can do small adjusments.
Cuz sometimes for example +2str makes huge difference, within low numbers tho

[hard hill]

hello friends, when is wipe

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

[patent mauve]

What is your game?

[proper shadow]

Are you new to the community? I only ask because i feel like anyone that’s been a part of the community for a while would know exactly what I’m referring to. (Just to be clear I’m not trying to like belittle you if you are new I’m just trying to figure out the best response to your question)

[patent mauve]

No, I'm simply trying to understand what about the game rn isn't what you want. I've been playing since the earlier playtests.

[fickle trail]

I like game. Why stop play? Seem silly.

[proper shadow]

Well, if that’s the case then you are aware that the head dev has ignored quite a lot of feedback back from the community. So when I say “our game” I’m saying I mean a game that has a developer that doesn’t actively make decisions in favor of things that the overwhelming majority of the player base, have said they do not want. (I can understand a developer knows more about games then the average gamer, but if you’ve been hear since “early play test “ then you know that he does not explain his actions either, which is kind of the hole point of a patchnote update…so that heavily indicates he’s hiding his true reasons or he’s simply doesn’t know what he’s doing.

“Our game” would not have constant contradiction, and flip flop, and a lack of any actual new content for 2 years. It also wouldn’t have a head that that openly insults and threatens the jobs of his employees.

[proper shadow]

Read the above message for your answer. Also just to be clear I’m not telling you what to do. I’m just asking because I truly believe the head dev will not learn any other way and he doesn’t deserve the success he’s been gifted by us.

[patent mauve]

I get what you're saying, but we have seen a lot of content, I've explained this before but we've seen 5-6 new bosses; 3 new maps, new weapons and armors, classes, the squire, monsters, Sub bosses, crafts, gemming, expressman, static extracts/delves, a PvE mode, 3 tier dungeon. Overall balance has headed in the right direction imo, I play most classes but main only a few. Gear gaps have always been an issue and the recent change to headshot damage that was proposed during patch 69-1 is here and I fully enjoy it, I wish random rolls weren't as impactful but I get the slot machine aspect of gear rolls feeds alot of players enjoyment. I wish that goblin recovery was in normals at the very least instead of just adventure mode, id even take 1.5x scrap cost for the buyback.
Id still like to know what exactly you'd want for the game in your own words.

[fickle trail]

The dev listening to the community is exactly why we keep going around in circles

[full patrol]

Yep, squeeky wheel syndrome

[fickle trail]

Whatever happens, so long as they just push forward from s7 and onwards with whatever they settle on in semi wipe I'll be happy

[proper shadow]

If you look up statistics this is false. There are obviously some things the community is split on. For example barbarians wants buffs other classes want barbarians nerfed, because it’s in their own personal interest. So it’s up to the dev to make someone happy and someone not…..how ever when the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the community is saying “Please don’t ever put that back in the game” and then the dev keeps putting it in and taking it out…that’s not sdf listening to the community is it?

[proper shadow]

Brother lol okay half of the things you listed as new content, are thing that’s should have been in the game since the official release. Second all of those things are behind a 2 year gap of nothing new and that time game along with the pace of released content, is what I’m referring to. I also refer to sdf’s character. Which you failed to address and that is a large part of the answer to your question.

Im glad you find some level of enjoyment playing the game. That’s awesome for you brother man. How ever if you can’t understand the reasoning I’ve listed I don’t think this conversation should continue

[fickle trail]

Nah. Give players a chance and they'll optimize all the fun out of a game. It's not like we're the ones duct taping their code together. They can do what they want with their product and we can do what we want with our time. To do anything else is a waste of our time.

If you really think boycotting the game is going to make a difference, go for it. Sounds like a giant waste of energy to be that upset over a silly video game though.

[proper shadow]

👍

[fickle trail]

🌭

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[fickle trail]

Hot dog

[patent mauve]

Okay I'll try this again, if SDF evaporated today, and they went forward with development without him, what would YOU want added to/removed from the game?

[proper shadow]

So you just want me to give you specific changes that personally want for the game….i fully understand that, you are missing the point of my message. If SDF evaporates and we get a lead dev that does the things I listed. Then I’m happy, end of story because that dev will be implementing new content far more regularly, he will be avoiding this that the player base has clearly voiced they absolutely loath, they won’t belittle or threaten the jobs of their employees, and they won’t have to prep everyone before every wipe with same message saying “we have been lost and didn’t know what direction to go with the game so we are going to move forward the way I want too and basically try to restart.”.

[fickle trail]

Sounds like you care more about hating this guy than actually improving the game

[patent mauve]

So the only thing you're not satisfied with is the developer as a person and not the game?

[proper shadow]

Are you just going to undermine my points or are you going to address any of them?

[proper shadow]

No I am unsatisfied with the game and getting a head dev that did the things I listed would greatly benefit the game. Please Of you have any kind of point to debate that, I’m all ears.

[fickle trail]

You didn't list anything. Could you explain or refer to them?

[patent mauve]

I just wanted to know what you'd want for the game, if you don't have any ideas, then you just don't trust the developer? You don't think this can form any kind of bias towards the development of the game in a dismissive and disregarding way? Like how when I presented proof of content being added over the past two years that "should've been there on release"?

[proper shadow]

Yeah again, you are asking me a question that has nothing to do with my point. You are also summing up all my points instead of addressing any of them.

[patent mauve]

I guess I hold indie devs under less scrutiny because I've seen what happens when you give them time and understanding, I play project zomboid a game that for the better half of a decade didn't really provide much content or meaningful updates. Now it's got 10s of thousands of active players who enjoy it even after failing to meet deadlines and keep up with roadmaps.

[proper shadow]

Just before you said that I care more about hating this guy then importing the game, right above that message there is a list of things I’d like the head dev to do and not do.

[proper shadow]

Yeah…that’s awesome bro. I’m glad you enjoy that game as well…? So are you going to address my points or no?

[patent mauve]

What point? That if another dev of any kind took SDFs place they would be better and implement ideas you'd agree with?

[fickle trail]

You aren't speaking to anything specific. What specifically would you like added and removed from the game?

[proper shadow]

Brother once again go check the stated list. Those are my points. That I believe that people shouldn’t be supporting a head dev if he does or doesn’t do those things specifically.

[patent mauve]

"So you just want me to give you specific changes that personally want for the game….i fully understand that, you are missing the point of my message. If SDF evaporates and we get a lead dev that does the things I listed. Then I’m happy, end of story because that dev will be implementing new content far more regularly, he will be avoiding this that the player base has clearly voiced they absolutely loath, they won’t belittle or threaten the jobs of their employees, and they won’t have to prep everyone before every wipe with same message saying “we have been lost and didn’t know what direction to go with the game so we are going to move forward the way I want too and basically try to restart.”." right here you'd be happy if SDF wasn't the developer that's the entire point of this quote from you earlier.

[proper shadow]

Brother, once again you guys are asking me a question that has nothing to do with my point. What I personally want added or removed from the game itself, doesn’t matter.

That will come if we had a dev that does the specific things I listed.

[fickle trail]

It sounds like you don't really want anything specific so how can you be upset with the development?

[proper shadow]

If you read that carefully you’ll notice that I say if we got rid of sdf and got a dev “THAT DOES THE THINGS I LISTED” I’m happy. So not just get rid of him but also give me someone that does what I specifically listed already.

[patent mauve]

You said you'd "be happy end of story" we don't know who the dev will be, but you assume they will be one that gets things done that you want to see implemented. What those things are you, have yet to list.

Id still love to hear what you'd like to see added to the game or even removed for that matter. I don't need to make an argument over them, I'm simply curious as to what you're interested in seeing change with this game.

[proper shadow]

Never said I assume anyone will get it done…and AGAIN I’ll be happy end of story IF THE HEAD DEV DOES THE THINGS I LISTED.

[patent mauve]

I don't see what you've listed, but if you can explain them or tag the comment where you did list them, id be happy to read them.

[vagrant gazelle]

suggestion to include gear score again except greys can come in at the start of a map while super geared players can only spawn in the map after 3 or 4 minutes or someshit

makes it so there isnt a que for each gear score and its only one big que

[patent mauve]

The problem with that is it will be abused by people who are there to farm the bosses and valuable mats.

[vagrant gazelle]

have boss doors locked and have timers like 1-2 mins stops rush farming as well

[patent mauve]

I can kill HR troll in 1.5 minutes in base kit, you're gonna need a longer buffer, but that just makes games feel stale. Forcing people to wait for a boss door to unlock isn't the solution for people who don't have gear, it's easier ways to get gear in the first place and that's adventure mode.

[icy knot]

Fog of war 🌫️
It's a dungeon not a chess board

[patent mauve]

Return the fog

[desert beacon]

Delete the game pls

[fickle trail]

Biggest issue with gear score is that sorcs and druids dont really care about weapons

And if monk is ever a thing they might not care either :P

[patent mauve]

How about we save it instead

[fickle trail]

I miss fog. All it needs to work is set boss room locations and maybe lootable revive scrolls or res shrines showing on maps

[icy knot]

Revives should be visible on the map especially if FOW will be back
(When revealed of course)

[valid falcon]

You could make one of the drawbacks of monk as having a higher base gear score

Also!

DAY 8 of Asking for a Potion that just Kills you when you Drink it.

[patent mauve]

I think that's a fine idea, the minimap could use some spice

[patent mauve]

Make ruins the first floor for every dungeon, keep ice map and goblin caves queues up, but make it so there are red statics that can take you to every map from ruins. A watery cave entrance for goblin caves, a forest module with a layer of snow heading to the ice caves along with stairs leading to the crypts. Add a boat to take you to the new water map when it comes out.

[fierce raven]

Happened in 2 games now, killing druid in bear form doesn't proc moral boost if you are a barb.

[broken rapids]

Also Moral boost shoudnt be instant Heal, but like potion

[icy knot]

Healing doesn't fit Barbarians

Did you know if you have more health you receive less damage?

Giving barbarian vigor boost would be a better idea.

[faint dirge]

Giving them vig after kill is horrible

[harsh locust]

Potion chugger barbs eating good with that

[icy knot]

Healing them after a kill is a terrible design

[faint dirge]

why

[icy knot]

Barbarian is not a vampire

SDF said himself barbarian should not have such abilities

[faint dirge]

vampire?

giving them vig is the worst idea i have heard

[icy knot]

Yea vigor sucks

SDF you should remove +15 vigor from rage

[patent mauve]

Morale boost should be flat 25-30 health, not 33%

[glacial sphinx]

tone down +health modifiers so people dont have super high hp in the first place

[icy knot]

reposting very good suggestions:
#dnd-content message

[patent mauve]

Hell yeah, I still play Diablo 2, to this day, to this day.

[broken rapids]

If barb get heal after kill, where is my abilities reset after Kill on Rogue

[astral solstice]

we need the maps rotation back, 15 minutes per map, if solos are goblin, after 15 minutes changes to ice, 15 minutes change to castle, etc etc etc

[loud cedar]

or soemthing cool is if a rogue gets a kill if they have the stealth ability on and hide they go invis for a short amount of time ~2 seconds but make it like the wizard invis so you can still be seen for a split second

[patent mauve]

I think 5 minutes would be fine, that would line up perfectly with the continuous dungeon's cutoff time for late entries.

[fickle trail]

Im against map rotation. It just makes people wait for specific maps which is annoying for the people waiting and annoying because it makes certain maps complete ghost towns

I'd rather have forced random map in specific queues. You never know what you're gonna get! Would be bad for troll cheese tho :(

[opaque sinew]

Just remove quests

And focus in dungeon exploring

add special conditions/events to maps

After half of the bar fills on crypt dungeon, it turns blue like how was it before

And add merchants to in dungeon

[opaque sinew]

And reveals a new layer

[broken rapids]

I want 1 stack Hide reset

[loud cedar]

that would be good to

[patent mauve]

I think it would be fine as a single queue, but I still think ruins should be the first floor for every map, with the option to queue the second floors separately.

I don't see this game having less empty lobby issues if they add more queues and maps, ruins should be the first floor for every map and let you have the option to queue the second floors.

[fickle trail]

It's a neat idea but it would only work if we went back to full trio only lobbies I think

[patent mauve]

True, either that or in addition add a rotational map queue for ruins only, where it cycles between solos and duos, and only their respective maps gates are open, like solos only has gates leading to goblin caves open, and duos ice caves, the static ruins queue has trios obviously so it leads to crypts.

[fickle trail]

Oh so we'd have 2 different queues for ruins? One that is always trios and one that rotates between duos and solos?

[patent mauve]

Yeah I could see that working, and I could see the rotational queue for solos and duos having the option for both their respective dungeons be open to delving into and maybe crypts as well, like solos can decide to delve to the goblin caves, ice caves or crypts, and duos can choose to go into ice caves and crypts. Just an idea but I like to think they come up with a solution that doesn't split the playerbase anymore

Plus I think the Expressman is a great concept and it not being useful for goblin caves at all is a waste. God I hope we get a second floor for goblin caves in the next season, give me the spider cavern PLOX

[fickle trail]

I'm probably one of the few people who truly enjoyed the chaos of the trios only experiment

[fickle trail]

My guess is if we get it, it'll be s8 or 9

Edit: looking at ice abyss, it seems they really want to make these new maps awesome so maybe longer

[patent mauve]

I enjoyed it a lot, it just made cleric troll cheese not really viable at all because more than one player ganging up on you ruins the trolls chances of focusing the right target

[fickle trail]

You just needed the right troll cheese team. Perhaps a bard spamming song of shadow

[broken rapids]

RAndom maps would be fine, if Express man allows you to pick keys /Skull key,frost key/ for next level etc.

[patent mauve]

It worked really well paired with druid and warlock

[fickle trail]

Oh I didn't think about special keys.... yeah that would make them a huge risk

[glass ibex]

who is the poor sorcerer full equiped crashed the game with a golden key in their inventory? im sorry bro

[languid hedge]

is this the only place to like, suggest something to the devs or leave feedback?

[tardy hound]

They wont even read it or just do opposite what we want. So dont bother them. Only thing i suggest is please read suggestion thread and acutally listen to your players once lol

[rare sparrow]

yea ur in the right place but individual feedback is barely looked at if at all unfortunately

[devout dagger]

REAL SUGGESTION: If there’s a vision, please put together a paper road map of what it is and release it. The previous roadmap is definitely not accurate and a new one should be provided that elaborates on all the upcoming content additions and how it coincides with the combat design philosophy being articulated in SDF Kitchen

[glass ibex]

where u farm the scroll of knoledge?

[fickle trail]

Troll outhouse

[glass ibex]

@fickle trail the scroll?? really??

[fickle trail]

Nah im fuckin with you :P

[glass ibex]

bro xd

[fickle trail]

That would be hilarious if it was true

[glass ibex]

@fickle trail sure xDDDD

[glass ibex]

mmm maybe bansheee drops?

[knotty hull]

going into hell stuck on loading screen any fixes?

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

How long has it been now??

[limber elbow]

Again , one more time after buff all class damage weapon ( not rogue ) ironmace buff all class weapon again without rogue @keen onyx @dawn grotto Good jobs , better delete than keep like treasure monster class and let people chase and dead

[icy knot]

I got 3 tapped in the head by a squire gear rogue before I could pull out my longsword and hit him.

Rogue seems to be in ok state

[broken rapids]

Its not about Rogue, but about crazy high headshot damage multiply dmg%.

[stone plover]

Reduce head shot damage multiplier suggestion, vote up if you agree that it should be reduced back down to pre season #6.5 levels.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/657879/reduce-head-shot-damage-multiplier

[limber elbow]

what do you mean ok ??? white monster can 1 tap him , all player can 1 tap him , low hp low damage can't hide and slow move speed is ok when all other class got more damage buff more start buff skill buff and weapon damage buff twice

[broken rapids]

+Rogue got kissing range on weapons and almost 0 hit on Slow. Not like any other classes.

What is not fine, that Short sword is part of 99% rogue builds. Daggers felt behind so much.
Rogue need buffs in this way and it might be something like merge Daggermastery+Thrust perk.

[broken rapids]

" @keen onyx ....including a crash related to ..."
Remove "Game in progress /Connect/" Message before reconnecting to game, so its getting direct connection to game after restarting the game after crash.

[narrow sinew]

Please remove the swarm, nobody likes this mechanic even though you keep trying to add it back ty

[jolly leaf]

⬆️

[hazy crane]

⬆️

[naive thicket]

They have an official suggestions page on their website. Usually ppl will make a suggestion and spread the word to get it upvoted

Tbh though making suggestions on Reddit seems to be an option too. Devs seem to lurk there a bit

[broken rapids]

[eternal raptor]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto The latest patch notes say you are generally satisfied with the state of the game, healing Druid and cleric are both non existent on the top 100 arena leaderboard and lacking in the dungeon with such short ttk. What is the point of healing classes if they can’t do what they are intended to do? Do you have any plans to adjust healing to where they are viable in this current meta?

Or will this fall on deaf ears with no acknowledgement as well

[icy knot]

healing buff = buffball meta again
?

[eternal raptor]

Buffball hasn’t been meta for months?

[icy knot]

isn't that gr8? fights feel fresh

[eternal raptor]

Nothing feels fresh with 200% headshot modifier

[icy knot]

"not onesided"

[eternal raptor]

It is one sided if you are down a player playing with a healer’

[abstract bone]

they readded swarm?

holy shit SDF flip flops more than a fish on land.

[icy knot]

healers were so strong in the past.

you could heal others for 300% hp? or smt like that
its like fighting 3 additional people

[narrow sinew]

If we could just fill this entire chat with disdain for the swarm maybe they'll finally realize they need to sunset it for good 🙏

[inland terrace]

PLEASE REMOVE THE CIRCLE.

YOU HAVE ADDED IT MULTIPLE TIMES AND REMOVED IT DUE TO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK

REMOVE IT AGAIN.

I WAITED A WEEK SINCE LAST PATCH FOR IT TO BE REVERTED AND I WILL NOT WAIT ANOTHER WEEK.

FOOL ME ONE SHAME ON ME.

FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON YOU.

I REFUSE TO PLAY YOUR GAME WHEN IT IS STRUCTURED LIKE A BATTLE ROYALE

[normal horizon]

very annoying : (

[fossil fossil]

Only thing we're getting are crabs, jellyfish and swimming. Aside from that itll just be stat changes. Sadly the devs want what they want, not what players need.

[patent mauve]

Patience is a virtue, I remember what the game looked like once before, and what little it had. The same brick texture for every single module, wall and floor. Whatever will be will be, good things come to those who wait, Hold The Line ECT ECT

[fossil fossil]

I think you have the wrong channel dude. Comedy night is a few clicks below this one

[patent mauve]

I have to wait an hour before I can post another DnD memes post 🧀
There are two types of people, those who hold the line, and those who don't.

[languid acorn]

I feel like the game is actually in a good state right now the gear changes are actually good adventure mode is great for new players and solos and duos is back even though it’s map specific. But there are 3 glaring issues. 1 being able to bring gear into normals(this was how the game originally was. But after a while basically no one was playing HR this cycle is repeating itself.) 2 headshot damage being at 200% ( they tried to implement this a while ago with major backlash and reverted it, they are making the same mistake again the only difference is there’s so much other bullshit going on there’s not as many people talking about it. This game isn’t valorant or cs go or mordhau, a lot of people who play this game don’t have the best aim but can still win with positioning, movement and map knowledge. All the headshot changes do is make the game more sweaty than it already is. The only people who like the head shot changes are super sweats who don’t understand this game doesn’t have a mmr system so there just stomping people who would never be in there lobby’s in a competitive game.) 3 (for the love of god give us new stuff. Weapons, armor, skills, perks, spells, ect.)

[placid crystal]

suggestion: nerf barb felling axe and nerf sorcerer, he is too strong for no punish at all

[opaque sinew]

I feel like the game is actually in a good state right now the gear changes are actually good adventure mode is great for new players and solos and duos is back even though it’s map specific. But there are 3 glaring issues. 1 being able to bring gear into normals(this was how the game originally was. But after a while basically no one was playing HR this cycle is repeating itself.) 2 headshot damage being at 200% ( they tried to implement this a while ago with major backlash and reverted it, they are making the same mistake again the only difference is there’s so much other bullshit going on there’s not as many people talking about it. This game isn’t valorant or cs go or mordhau, a lot of people who play this game don’t have the best aim but can still win with positioning, movement and map knowledge. All the headshot changes do is make the game more sweaty than it already is. The only people who like the head shot changes are super sweats who don’t understand this game doesn’t have a mmr system so there just stomping people who would never be in there lobby’s in a competitive game.) 3 (for the love of god give us new stuff. Weapons, armor, skills, perks, spells, ect.)

[proven gull]

Can we please make it so that ice mastery can't be rendered null by jumping? I have to assume that's not an intended mechanic. Whether it is or not, it shouldn't work that way.
Honestly while I'm at it, ice mastery should just be built in to the ice bolt spell and not take up a whole perk slot - considering that sorc can freeze you for like 3 seconds, launch you backwards, make you float/launch in the air etc. without needing respective perks to make their spells do those things. Maybe ice mastery being a perk would make more sense if wizard had more than a single ice-type spell, but as of now it's very silly.

[surreal robin]

CAN WE GET RID OF THE ARENA BRACKET WE SHOULDNT HAVE TO WAIT AN HOUR FOR THE GAME

[placid nymph]

I DON"T KNOW WHY WE ARE LITERALLY GOING THROUGH THE SAME CHANGES WE"VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH FOR THE SAKE OF "RE TEST WITH SHITTY GEAR" BUT I COULD REALLY USE SOME NEW SPELLS PLOXZ. -Wizard Main

[placid nymph]

couldn't agree more. But the issues we see and the ones they prioritize are like fire and water.

[proven gull]

Yeah, and additionally on the subject of comparing wiz to sorc, considering sorc has no spell charges/unlimited casting (albeit with short cooldowns - big deal, build a little resourcefulness and the cooldowns are negligible, especially when you have 10 spells to cycle thru), you'd think for the sake of balance, that the perk (spell overload) which gives you an actually reasonable amount of spell charges wouldn't have such a harsh punishment of 20% knowledge reduction: I think 10-15% would be plenty fair, or at least increase the sage perk bonus (gain 10% knowledge bonus) to 20% or something. As is, if you want to have a reasonable amount of spell charges without having a laughably slow spell casting speed, you have to have 3/4 perk slots taken up by spell overload, sage, and quick chant, and/or practically not be able to build anything other than knowledge on your gear. So I've got those 3 perks on and then have to troll with ice mastery as my 4th perk since I can just keep dreaming about being able to build move speed, and thus my only option for creating any space is spamming ice bolts whenever a player gets near and hope they don't know the exploit of just jumping through it. Sure, I can build some MS if I wanna have a mere 84 hp or 5% MDB as a trade off, right? Well I don't want to be one tapped in the head by literally anything or have to hit 15 spells to kill anyone, so I opt to use ice mastery instead of building MS, but oh wait, if they just jump as I hit them with the ice bolt, then ice mastery does nothing.. VERY COOL.

[static gazelle]

Call to have wizard hat on Sorc, Let me have the drip

[merry bay]

@spark marsh hi bro

[chrome crescent]

Sorc drip is so bad

[icy knot]

This game isn’t valorant or cs go or mordhau, a lot of people who play this game don’t have the best aim but can still win with positioning, movement and map knowledge. All the headshot changes do is make the game more sweaty than it already is. The only people who like the head shot changes are super sweats who don’t understand this game doesn’t have a mmr system so there just stomping people who would never be in there lobby’s in a competitive game.

[fossil fossil]

based

[narrow tree]

I was thinking of a way to dissuade cheaters in the dungeon and kill Arm Tea at the same time, i think the "easiest" but probably painful in terms of the community accepting this approach is to remove incentives from the reason people cheat in dungeon in the first place which is to get the bis gear, and advantages in dungeon to get players bis gear. If they capped normals and HR to epics only and make it so that lego, unique, and artifacts are only obtainable in arena and they would need to add a boss element to arena where the winning team gets to fight the boss for the artifacts and in order to get the higher loot pools you need to be a certain arena rank, I think this would change the direction of the game and have less hackers in normal dungeons, this might make them go to arena but I feel like arena is too fast paced for hackers to really benefit other than esp for invis rogues but even then its a small tiles so there isnt crazy leverage. a direction to remove marketplace and make items of all grades purchasable from the merchant tabs with rng rolls for gold. so the only reason you go to dungeon is to find epic gear to start fighting in arena and to get gold to buy better gear such as legos and up from the merchant vendors after completing quests to unlock those stronger gear and items. probably still have fightable bosses in normal dungeons but its looked at as practice as the bis loot comes from arena bosses.
this would essentially kill Arm Tea and remove most advantages from cheaters in theory.

[acoustic ruin]

arm tea

[icy knot]

🦾 and 🍵

[limber elbow]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto ironmace and all the devs never try the game they just sit on chair watching cornhub , before nerf goblin hit 30% total ( with bleed ) after nerf goblin hit 70% total ( with bleed ) and my rogue on that test is 28 vigor 122hp , all weapon nerf + nerf additional magic bonus for poison damage now rogue like true walking shtt , but ironmace keep buff all other class weapon damge up twice for fast clear but rogue stay dead outside the ring because no damage and low hp low PDR and MDR , all class buf break door for weapon but rogue need to open that shtt . WTF is those N.oo.B ironmace want to do with Rogue

And those Ironmace keep do the same thing they did to season 4 or 5 trap solo player in goblin cave can't play ice cave or crypt because they can't use brain to think

and one more thing remove additional magic damage for ring + neckless + head gear only nerf Rogue . but + weapon damage on weapon or shield still in the game , and Druid still broken with more and more buff , super fast run fast heal use rat run pass door and heal in 3 sec then rat back door

[lone cliff]

if we put map rotations back in, i feel like it'd be best to do some sort of system where you can't queue into a random lobby with the same other team multiple times in a row

like maybe keeping a list of players from the previous lobby and removing queues with those people, and bringing it back to where 2nd and 3rd floors are seperate. Like yes, it makes inferno dead, but it's fun to fight on the first 2 floors and then not have as much competition on the 3rd. or even just make ice abyss/inferno not bring from other lobbys. This is my input, I'm not playing until s7 and this will be my final attempt to play, please fix it, it was my favorite game I have 3k hours and 4 years of my life here.

[placid crystal]

suggestion, change demon right click from dark volt to dark ray xD

[placid crystal]

another suggestion, sorcerer doesn't need any weapon he has summons, AoE, Buffs and Debuffs for enemnies, even great DPS, no need for any weapon so, therefore not able to equip any weapon.

[glad yoke]

0-24 24-124 back

[placid crystal]

SECOND THAT

or rarity queue too, normals up to blue or purple and HR no limit

[glad yoke]

This is also a good suggestion

[placid crystal]

it was like that before

[valid oak]

Super true, IM has no experience, they don't understand anything about pvp in a full loot game, they don't understand anything about skill expression and what the word competitive means. Another beautiful thing, Most "pro" streamers use automated macros to cast spells with the sorc and also combos with the druid.It's very easy to understand if you play these classes and watch their live streams.So what's supposed to make the sorc slower and more difficult than the wizard doesn't exist. It's a garbage game.

[icy knot]

Maybe this time pavise should be buffed differently?
Decrease placing time
Increase number of hits it can take?

[fossil fossil]

How hard is it to make a dark forest map. The players want a reason to play. Give us pseudo uniques (modifiers that aren’t stat related, or give exceptional stats to one point while keeping additional rolls). More damage variance on gear (10-15 diff per rarity) and larger hp pools.

It really shouldn’t be this difficult.

Additionally, get rid of classes, let people make whatever build they want and have certain stat points a requirement for specific gear slots.

Lastly, layer all the dungeons and create some more open maps. It’d be nice to have an actual adventure in a fantasy pvpve game. The maps are lacking and force pvp in such an unnatural way for a dungeon.

[fossil fossil]

@blazing vapor What’s the plan for this wipe? Is it truly only the subnautica update or are we getting new skills/perks/items? Cause unless we can collect jellyfish stingers to make poisoned longswords/kriss daggers there’s no point in doing anything. Can we get some insight?

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

How long has it been now??

[patent mauve]

We've had forms of multiclassing in the past, people don't want it. Pseudo uniques exist in the form of semi artifacts, a dagger that causes the drunk effect, boots that heal you for standing still, a shield that reflects 5 damage for a successful block. Bigger damage/defense variance for gear was what the game once looked like during the 2021-2022 playtests, a green weapon was 50% stronger than a grey. Ive wanted ruins to be the first tier for every map connecting all maps through a first tier for a while now. Expanding on more valuable POIs for players to explore would be nice.

[fossil fossil]

Shouldnt a vote take place to see what people want? There have been loads of new players and the majority of "og's" are gone.

Just cause it didnt work 2 years ago when things were less balanced, doesnt mean it cant work.

I'm well aware of the 'semi artifacts', there are far too little of them. Espessially on armor pieces (only 2). There should be more variance

[patent mauve]

Sure there should be more, but this is an early access game, we can expect to see more eventually. I guess I play enough early access games that have fallen short on road maps and meeting expectations that I give them more leniency than most people tend to.
Project zomboid took over 10 years to get things in order and it was well worth the wait.
The devs focused too much on balancing the past two years, we shouldn't suggest they rework gear stats again to make them more meaningful, instead let them focus on like you said, adding more items. I would like them to at least poll the community to get a gauge of opinions and what the people want. Otherwise everyone starts arguing and nobody feels heard.

[fossil fossil]

I agree with the last bit, but nearly 5 years in development and blaitantly ignoring the playerbase is detremental. They'll need to step up their game and start pumping stuff out.

Otherwise, the AI based game development will beat them and nobody will play this anymore.

[patent mauve]

Give pavise door level strength

[modest comet]

Here is a suggestion, reroll the game back to playtest 1 or 2 and get your core audience back don't be afraid to remove content players dislike.
All the guys that were "Holding The Line" left because you guys listen to a minority of players not the majority.

Reroll or re-release.

At one point you guys had over 50k players now you have 3k because you ignored what the player base wanted and followed "someone's vision"

You guys sat on a game that had major potential to blow up big time and you ruined your reputation, because you thought your vision was better than what the players wanted.

I really loved this game hope you can bring it back to how it should be.

[raw scarab]

we should fire you know who

[robust jackal]

remove instant transform druid

[frigid skiff]

Terrible take

[icy knot]

Good idea

[valid oak]

This

[acoustic ruin]

spoken like a true druid enjoyer... except no one cares delete the class for all i care the games been a problem since druids got added

[icy knot]

Druid could have strong and good transformations if he didn't have instant shapeshift

[abstract bone]

Sorc and warlock are also problems.

[broken rapids]

Merge Lockpicking + Pickpocket for rogues

[brisk junco]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto great job bringing the zone back for like the 7th time keep up the terrible work!

[acoustic ruin]

yea game changed when those classes where introduced, will never be the same :c

[icy knot]

reposting very good suggestions:
#dnd-content message

[mint smelt]

I think Traps and Locks should be inherit for Rouges, at least map ones and a perk to see player placed ones

[frigid skiff]

“Nobody cares.. here’s me caring” type shit, seethe, cope, mald etc lil bro

[broken rapids]

There should be more Consumable traps overall in game tho.. even Caltrops ability should be as consumable.

[mint smelt]

I agree. Make them a pouch you need to have on your belt. Nice idea

[broken rapids]

I suggested in past that rogue needs Ability wheel like casters have spells.
smoke bombs, caltrops, traps, blinding sand etc. - campfire for recovery.

This would make me consider dropping hide for it.

[mint smelt]

Ah you mean like that. I thought for universal use for everyone. Like the explosive bottles for example. It may come in time as it will give Rouges more utilitiy but will need good testing. Sadly I don't think that'll come for a long while

[rare tundra]

revert pot breaking sounds please

[errant zodiac]

@keen onyx yo have you played rogue in the past 3 months, like there is no way you have cause if you did you would realise you don't have a clue whats going cause it preacticly unplayable like if you don;t want all the hate you shouldnt do things that make you look like you have 50 iq

[errant zodiac]

@keen onyx why are you so dumb man like there is no way you made these changes and played them and where like yeah this feels right like either yuo actually stole this game and didnt actually have any clue what you where doing from the start and your "vision" wasn't yours and you completely riped it off or mayeb you suffered some head trauma in a car accident or somthing but like cmon man show us a little compitence

[patent mauve]

Rogue feels so good, it doesn't rely on a strict or expensive build to do its job.

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

How long has it been now?? You got nothing to say?

[icy knot]

I suggest to talk to community

[floral zealot]

give demonlock a flying dash bro he got wings and you cant even use em like wtf

[jagged compass]

pls add a dummy in the waiting room where u can sell

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[proper shadow]

dont listen to knightlink i think he might be an sdf slave/employee. he refuses to accept that anything is wrong with the game and he ESPECIALLY avoids talking about sdf.

[glacial sphinx]

lmao go outside buddy

[broken rapids]

Add delay on miss on all weapons like Felling axe.

[patent mauve]

[acoustic ruin]

wow its the end of the world because theyve made a few bad decisions, get over it man, its not your game because they nerfed your class to the ground, probably deserved with that attitude

[unborn yacht]

maybe the nerf exist just to make you use your brain more

[acoustic ruin]

hold up i aint complaining big man haha

[patent mauve]

Mining should have a small chance for rare+ gems

[patent mauve]

Make normals solo self found minted and "looted" gear only. This could be the solution to many players issues with heavily geared players in normal lobbies

[broken rapids]

All lobbies should be SSF, market only for consumables,keys,craftables and crafted items(crafted gear included)

• Make people work for materials - add random ore spawns around map+add Gem chance drop from mining
• Change drops on bosses who drop materials and give them chance drop full crafted items etc.

[iron quest]

i feel like a fundemantal problem with a lot of the classes is the fact that theres a lot of perks that are "if you dont slot this your throwing" tier. Couple that in with an already low pool of good perks on some classes it makes the game REALLY stale after a wipe or two. A lot would need to be changed to make stuff feel right and balanced n ironmace dont seem like they know what theyre doing unfortunately. (examples that come to mind, shapeshift mastery on druid, bards perk to skip notes, fighters perk to use any weapon, etc. These should be incoperated some how base kit, and maybe made better with their perks? i honestly dont know, but as it is now, a lot of classes really only have 2 perk slots)

[fossil fossil]

They need a skill tree with limited points but more in depth point specking and more skills so people can fine tune builds.

That or give us multi class for a week. (Yeah I know some very vocal people didn’t like it in the past, but the games already dead, let some of us have fun for a week or so).

[grand mortar]

If my eyes don't deceive me, every single merchant is white besides the Gobbo and the mummy. Could we get like, an old asian man or something if you decide to add another merchant? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[patent mauve]

Cat girl merchant who sells fishing supplies

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[frigid skiff]

Who cares bro? 💀

[grand mortar]

Minorities. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[frigid skiff]

There hasn’t been any new content in 2 years and you’re worried about being represented in a game with <2k players?
That’s crazy

[sharp roost]

they cater to a certain type of player, if you know what I mean

I suggest the maps be made smaller for solo and duo

[icy knot]

Smaller maps why?

[subtle plinth]

@keen onyx make shapeshifter mastery lessen healing by 75%

[abstract ridge]

I just want more map time

[icy knot]

More map time?

If game is not hardcore anymore it's boring

Does this game is even hard? Maybe for small minority. But it gives them a thing to improve in their gameplay.

[abstract ridge]

Cause I like bossing and it takes so long i barely have time to reap rewards.

[spark marsh]

make a dual weapon for the slayer

[broken rapids]

Re-Post after month

• Remove Swarm = add Fog of war - (Idea: Player kill-loot-revealed area by enemy transfer to players map).
• Pouch or Quiver slot for consumables such throwing knives, Poison vial etc.
• Ice breaking possible by pickaxe, molotov? (Make it accesible for all classes..)

Lobbies and brackets..

• Add Map Rotation
• Normals = only up to epic gear

Mining:

• add Gem chances while mining ore
• add random ore spawns around map

Goblin services - all lobbys, but expensive.

For my class (Rogue) I wish for:

• Ability wheel (Like casters have) = Caltrops, smokebomb, blinding sand etc.
• Increase Throwing Knives stacks by 1 (3 knives per stack)
• Weakpoint ability - Decrease %PDR in PvP(as it is now) + Flat decrease to monsters (Bards Shriek like)
• Cuttroat - Silence to casters/abilities+Unable to use Melee attack vs melee classes
• Merge Pickpocket+Lockpicking
• Merge Dagger mastery+Thrust (balance between buffing daggers so other classes dont abuse them anymore)
  (I dont want to suggest any other classes, becuase I dont play them, so my ideas woudnt be on point)

Game market/economy:

• Self found Gear
• Market only for craftables, consumables, keys etc. + Crafted Gear and items

Guild system/tavern

• Guild oriented quests
• Guild stash

Items:

• Add Jewelery artifacts?

[spark marsh]

1. Add the ability to write private messages by hovering over a nickname or character icon. (Currently, there are three functions: request to be friends, request to join a group, and block). Because even in the friends list, you cannot write to anyone privately without /w.
2. Add the ability to write private notes to friends. (A very useful feature that will improve communication between players.)
3. The ability to communicate using quick commands (if you don't know your ally's language).

4)And, of course, upgrading Slayer by giving him new weapons, dual weapons with the ability to block. (New weapon, originally paired.) Twin swords would be awesome 🙂

[spark marsh]

5. Return 0-24 for normal mode.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[fickle trail]

This is such a good idea

[stone plover]

Reduce head shot damage multiplier suggestion, vote up if you agree that it should be reduced back down to pre season #6.5 levels.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/657879/reduce-head-shot-damage-multiplier

[patent mauve]

I do really enjoy the headshot damage modifier rn, but I'd love to hear why you would want it changed.

[stone plover]

I enjoy the slower paced combat, being able to respond with strategies and tactics from both sides which i feel is lacking with the head shot modifier being so high causing the time to kill (And hits to kill) to be too low for my enjoyment.

In mellee combat i feel like it just boils down to get headshots or you will lose. Before you have a little bit of wiggle room, time to swap in another player to take your spot so you can get away and heal, time to respond and react like reposition on the terrain around you to get an edge so you can pull though, if the opponent was hiding behind a shield you can whittle them down by hitting around it even if you cant hit their head, now leaving your head open for attack while you whittle away is far too risky as if they trade with you mid swing you are far more likely to loose.

Getting 2 shot with a 2 handed weapon on ether side (Attacker or defender) dosnt feel rewarding, im left wanting more and disappointed in the fight. I joined up because this was a slower dungeon crawl, now with the faster fights it feels like a faster paced pvp game akin to alot of other solely pvp focused games which i just dont enjoy, i want this game to have more a focus on pve with pvp being a looming threat, not the whole point of the game, theres arena mode for that.

PvE side of things is a little more annoying if you stuff up, not really putting me off the game but trying to introduce people to the game is extremely hard now thanks to the arches/crossbows + other mobs that aim for the head. No one is going to want to play a game where you get 2 shot by a mob over and over.

Hopefully i made my view point a little more clear, its quite hard to put into words exactly why i dislike the quick time to kill mainly thanks to the head shot modifier.

For more context, i mainly play as a trio with good communication on discord, main class being cleric but also playing fighter, barb, warlock as second picks. But i do try and play a bit of every class though each season so im familiar with that they can do so i know how to respond.
Ive been playing this game since playtest#5 and have gotten demigod every season. Arena rank in low purple teir.

[full patrol]

There aren't enough spaces to represent everybody. Maybe don't lose the fact that it's a game. A fantasy game, where goblins and trolls exist together. Maybe just let it be what it is? lol

[patent mauve]

I can see your point do you think a solution could be making headshot reduction for plate helmets higher? I do like that this change made PvE more threatening and also in the same breath easier to beat because they take more headshot damage.
Blocking is more valuable now that taking a hand/ arm hit is 1/3 the damage of a headshot.
I just really enjoy the speed of combat, I think if they allowed us to have a bit more PDR/HSR that would increase the hits to kill just enough to make fights feel less in the favor of 2h headshots.

[stone plover]

I dont think increasing the head shot reduction on the helms would be good enough because alot of classes dont get access to them, while that may not be a problem for me, my whole group has stopped playing mainly because none of us were enjoying the quicker time to kill. Some of those players also play squishier classes like ranger who can be one shot.

While increasing pdr may increase the hits to kill for the 2 handed weapons, i foresee issues with other weapons hitting other areas tickling instead of doing meaningful damage increasing the feeling of 'the only thing that matters is headshots' which is an issue in my eyes.

I find that feeling an issue because that makes the game feel way too sweaty and competitive, a feeling i dont enjoy when im trying to play games to relax by putting myself against a challenge i know im going to enjoy.
If i want head shots i'll go play cs or some thing

[patent mauve]

I suggested the headshot reduction for plate because you would expect a front line to live more than two 2h headshots but not a rogue or wizard.

[patent mauve]

You can get far more movement to move your head out of the way of headshots, I think the ability to swivel your body to avoid headshots offers a lot of literal wiggle room when fighting in melee and even when being shot at with ranged attacks.

I like that headshot damage makes it less about stat check and more about overall accuracy, as compared to last season where health stacking PDR rogues just walked into you with weak point attack and stabbed you to death

[stone plover]

I agree with you on the case that health stacking wasnt a good thing for the game and needed to be changed.

I found the 'funest' way to play was to go in with nothing and rat around for loot, taking in what you found into the next round etc untill you lose it. Buy some cheap stuff if only one party member didnt make it out. Buying gear and trying to minmax was the worst and most boring part of this game.

I have a few thousand hours in game and win fights more often then lose in dungeon so i know you can more your head around and do in combat, but that leans more into the same feeling of thats the only thing that matters now is head shots leading to the same feelings of being overly competitive and sweaty.

I think the punishment for getting head shot is too high, iron mace has over adjusted from one end of the scale with all the hp stuff to the other.

[patent mauve]

Yeah but the issue with simplifying combat is the skill gaps will always show more heavily with slower combat people see more of the mistakes made in team fight over 30-120 seconds as opposed to 10-30, and that can be more grueling as the pain of losing a fight is spread out over multiple mistakes and compounds. Rn fights are won over a few great decisions and well placed attacks, that gives less skilled players a better chance to win vs more opportunities to lose.

[broken rapids]

Tbh they need to adjust atleast weapon sweet spot damage a lot.
I kinda dont like getting 1shoted by bardiche/halberd on kissing range by wooden part.

[patent mauve]

I figure that's why the devs chose this route, they saw how longer fights went in arena when healing was 90+ and damage was 1/2.

And believe me I'm not saying you're wrong, because after playing both sides I can see the validity of your argument

I just prefer it this way, and that may not be the majority's opinion

[stone plover]

Yeah i can see why people enjoy that kind of combat, its quite a popular choice to have quicker times to kill in alot of other pvp games.

And yes i agree with you, longer fight do give chances for mistakes, but also gives you chances to recover from them, letting fights between roughly equally skilled teams be a little more forgiving.

[stone plover]

Literally writing out some thing similar as you sent that XD
Its preferences, nothing right or wrong.

[patent mauve]

I think if they gave the maps more options to delay combat and allow people more breathing room between skirmishes, reverting the headshot damage would be fine.

I really like that inferno module with the rotating floor paths and the ones with the automatically shutting and opening gates

I think modules with designs like that change the face of combat entirely vs just basic paths to W key through.

I'm about to clock back in from break but thanks for discussing this with me, it was insightful and productive to say the least.

[stone plover]

Yeah it has been enjoyable to flesh out those kind of thoughts and discuss them with some one outside of my circle and not just argue about it.
Going to give the game another go once the new season starts but not keeping my hopes up.

[spark marsh]

I completely agree with you. At the moment, the game resembles surfing TikTok, just launching match after match. The game only causes irritation. You start the match out of habit, again and again, until you are completely exhausted.

Not to mention that not all weapons in this game hit the head. And playing on Slayer has never been so disgusting to me. I'm not sure if I can even continue playing... Or should I quit and wait for adequate changes? I'm tired of the game dictating who I play and what weapons I use. There is no balance in the game. And they made insane PvP. And they want people to enjoy the game. People are burning alive.

[patent mauve]

What weapon are you having trouble hitting the head with?

[narrow sinew]

Daily request to remove the circle for good
Nobody likes this mechanic and it hinders actual exploration among other things

[pine ember]

Make a gamemode for training. This gamemode allows you to go in and fight any monster of ur choice. If you die you respawn with your same loot.

[patent mauve]

Adventure mode is like that, if you die the goblin merchant will recover all your gear for you, for a small fee.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery normals and HR back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[proper shadow]

A FEW bad decisions? You must not have been playing verging long. Before you go “I been playing since play test x” if that’s the case then you simply don’t know game development.

Ps notice how I didn’t say anything and things I like getting nerfed, your point is not only invalid but you have zero facts to back it up and your wrong lol

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[acoustic ruin]

your cooked lmao

[patent mauve]

And anyone who disagrees with you is an SDF shill xD yeah yeah we've heard it before. Dismissive behavior doesn't make for a good discussion.

Tell him what content was added over the past two years and he'll say, "it should've been here on release" he can't be pleased.

[proper shadow]

What did I dismiss? Pretty sure I address his point and gave a rebuttal?

[patent mauve]

You still haven't answered me on what you actually want besides a dev you like. What do you want to change in the game to make you happy with it? What could be added or changed that would make you want to play this game?

For me I want normal lobbies to be solo self found minted gear only, so you can't buy kits and bully timmies in normals and instead are coerced into playing HR.

[proper shadow]

I have answered this question for you like 5 times now. What I want in the game, is the things that the majority of the community wants in the game, the things I want taken out are the things that the community has BEGGED to have removed, these specific things don’t matter in my statement because the point of my statement is that the community is not being listened so THAT is what I want in my game, a dev that listens, the rest will come naturally….. now are you gonna answer my question or address any of my points or just minimize and belittle?

[patent mauve]

You vetted him on his play time, and then in the next sentence dismissed the fact that he could be a veteran player based off knowledge of game development that neither of you have provided credentials for. Why would your opinion supercede his and vice versa? This is a discussion there's no authority over opinions here. I asked for yours and you gave me an answer based on the majority of players that you don't represent.

Whatever it is you want removed, please tell me, because I really don't know what you mean.

[proper shadow]

Then why are you talking to me at all if you clearly don’t get it and I’ve explained it to you multiple times?

[patent mauve]

You haven't explained anything your answer tells me nothing of substance. What you want removed is? "Whatever the majority wants removed" what is that?

I'm asking you because I don't get it, if you don't want to explain it you don't have to, but I dont think anyone here understands what "*our game" looks like to you

[proper shadow]

Why would you tell me I don’t represent the majority and then ask me a question on the majority’s behalf? Please do not address any of my posts in the future we are clearly not thinking on the same levels.

[proper shadow]

.

[sharp roost]

higher TTK with some chase mechanics would be good

[icy knot]

In crypts, start gradually turning off light sources when the swarm appears, making the dungeon completely dark by the end of the match.

• or in ruins because of curse, curse > 🔥
• ice map because its freezing, cold >🔥
• goblin caves because falling rocks can extinguish 🔥

so many maps could have this mechanic and your game is literally called DARK AND DARKER, it makes total sense as a ending match mechanic for this game
@keen onyx @dawn grotto

[abstract ridge]

Take out this dumb circle and lemme solo crypts

[inland terrace]

at this point we should delete this channel. sdf hasnt looked here in months

[valid rivet]

He clearly comes here to add to his "never do" list

[ionic basin]

preggy gobby when

[errant zodiac]

ok just an idea but can we remove the poison from goblin archers, its bad enough they aim bot your head but the poison is rude, especially when you kill a rogue that just landmined you (no hate against landmine rogues its what i main) and than you catch a random arrow from a goblin and you can't even get a heal off before the poison kills you

[icy knot]

Tell me why Goblin archers are so tanky

[errant zodiac]

right why they have more hp than the guys with a shield

just remove the religion system it dose not improve the game in anyway if anything causes harm, sorry but its a very stupid system in its current state

[brisk junco]

Wooo more terrible updates to drive away more players keep it up @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[chrome pond]

The social room is the only thing worth waiting for in the next update. And new maps are not the first priority among what the game needs now. I think that the balance in the game is still bad and not enough time is devoted to it. The game seriously lacks development in depth, not in breadth (new maps are in breadth). Many classes still remain with a couple of working builds that play very similarly. The game seriously lacks variability in skills/perks/spells/forms, etc. And also in the maps themselves there is not enough PVE component, so that these would be real DnD long visits into the depths of the dungeons (4-5 floors, for example, and greatly increase the timer) with various difficult situations (for example, more different mini-bosses, without the ability to just jump on an invulnerable point and kill the entire location from it), more accessible and more interesting items with different non-imbalanced, but tangible effects (and not just +N to stats on any items, except for a couple of unique ones that are not available, and which 95% of players have not held in their hands), etc. etc.

And now the developers have been working hard for many months on another map with new mobs and mechanics, while the variety and variability of classes and balance remain unfinished, not revealed and extremely poor (the game is weak in depth, at the level of early access, and in width there is already a lot of everything). I really like unusual builds, and the only normal class for them now is the sorcerer, the rest have very few working diverse builds, and basically come down to 1-2 game options in practice.

Therefore, for me, the main priority for the development of the game is adding new passive perks, active abilities and spells to classes. Their choice is now almost zero for everyone. If you need proof, then I will describe them (it will just be a very long and difficult to read post). I have already tried many build options, thought about them for a long time, searched and tried to build builds that I have never seen anywhere, tested many different options. And I can say that almost all of them do not work in practice, even for fun, and there is almost no choice for classes. But this is an extremely important part of the game for many people, and for me personally this is the most important part of the game, by a large margin from everything else.

Besides, adding new maps will simply create an even greater deficit of players on each map (each map has 3 modes and a different number of players for each mode), and will further spread players across different maps and modes, and there will be even fewer opportunities to select players by skill/gear than now. Which will make the game worse, not better. I think this is obvious. Although a new map will give a fresh breath and increased interest in the game for 1-2 months.

If we imagine that in 3 years the game will have 20 different very beautiful maps with different cool designs, but they will all have very uniform, repetitive and mediocre in depth gameplay, without the possibility of strong diversity in gameplay, then, I think, for most people playing computer games this game will still be mediocre, and maximum for a couple of times. But if the developers decided to make a game only for a few fans, then let them continue to invest almost all their efforts and time only in creating new maps. I'm just sad that such a potentially great game started going down the wrong path.
I've said it all.

[brisk junco]

U spent more effort typing that they they have put into the game in the last year

[chrome pond]

Where can I write such a post with my opinion and suggestions?

[brisk junco]

Anywhere u want they don’t read / care about feedback

[chrome pond]

Have you tried User Suggestion on their site? How can you be so sure?

[full patrol]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto @blazing vapor

I suggest you update and bring current, the Test server, like you said you were going to do. I'm not sure how they do things where you live, but most places don't appreciate excuses.

How many months has it been now??

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery normals and HR back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[grand mortar]

Bring back trios in gobbo caves and the ice map.

Or at least give us more maps.

[spark marsh]

Increase the drop rate of quest items from Lich and Ghost King in adventure mode. I've been trying to get “black matter” and “ghost crown” for a week now. I'm wearing a net for luck and drinking bottles for luck every time. And you can't always find a partner for Lich. Plus, there's always a high chance of theft. I tried in PvP mode, but it didn't drop many times either, and every time I had to fight for it with my poor Slayer class, which lacks balance between classes...

[broken rapids]

Maybe if they change how swarm works..
Multiple circle layers maybe could be better.

• People could still explore whole map without damage taken - lowered vision +
  Example:
  25% less vision circle - 1st circle layer
  50-60% less vision circle - 2nd darker circle layer
  75% less vision + damage - 3rd darkest circle layer
  Circles would move towards end circle till end of round.

• me personally hate when swarm does damage and triggers off my hide etc, same for druids must be mad too with spiritwalk triggers right? 😄

[abstract bone]

shut the servers down. game is cooked and nexon is coming for that sweet IM money.

[fossil fossil]

Put a weight limit on lobby’s. Running squire and by the time me and my team spawned in we had a full unique team pull up to our module.

Fatasses all have named items. It’s ridiculous

[patent mauve]

Absolute Cinnabon

[abstract ridge]

No more storm and nerf sorc bolt attack

[abstract bone]

just quit the game bro. they only care about those whales who are investing money into the game.

[fossil fossil]

I've purchased the full game as well as their sham of a "DLC". The issue here is que system and websites that sell gear.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery normals and HR back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[abstract bone]

yup and nothing will be done about them.

[grand mortar]

I like this idea. Team "tonnage" limit like in Mechwarrior sounds like a great idea for balance. Now if the game itself was as balanced and linear it might work. Random mods don't really allow for exact BR ratings on gear. But I do like the idea.

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[patent mauve]

Make mining ore have a chance for gems.

[proud knot]

please append any mid wipe or newly added merchants as to not disrupt the muscle memory for selling and buying things

[broken rapids]

100% feel you, I hate this so much

[hoary shard]

nuke the marketplace make it crafting materials and utility only

[loud dawn]

despite all the other flaws with this game (and there are many) the most frustrating for me is the UI. ITS SO BAD

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery normals and HR back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[icy knot]

And devs still haven't fixed it.

And it's the easiest thing to fix in the game
@keen onyx @dawn grotto

[broken rapids]

Monthly reminder:

Make PICKAXES break Ice, wood etc.. its freakin tool for breaking stuff.

[patent mauve]

Knowledge is a dead stat for non casters.
Change Will and Knowledge to both scale magical interaction speed with knowledge being 60% of the scaling.
Knowledge should give buff duration or utility effectiveness.

[icy knot]

Will also dead stat

[abstract ridge]

High roller dead cause of storm nobody asked for but that one bloodthirsty kid.

[patent mauve]

Will isn't a dead stat, it gives MDR, increases buff duration/ reduces debuff duration, magic damage, increases potion healing, and lets you open portals and use shrines faster.

Knowledge is purely a dead stat and has no effective usage outside of casting and spell memory.

[broken rapids]

Remove Swarm, keep it only for Arena like modes. its annoying af.
Fog was way better. - Change my mind.

Also fix that freakin shielder, who tracks movement

[subtle plinth]

@keen onyx please buff demon form in some way. it is alright now but it takes a tremendous skill or BIS kit to be sucsessful, even just giving demon a set spell wheel instead of just dark bolt would be nice. or, give demon form demonic/dark magic weapons

[broken nova]

bring back name tags ffs

[jolly leaf]

⬆️ Fog just need a few improvement https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/631753/bring-back-fog-of-war-but-better

[icy knot]

Nah shielder is fine

[broken rapids]

Elite is not, with his “special attack” it tracked me sliding on floor and oneshoted me almost as Rogue in lege gear 😂 i dont think that “tracking” while playing shield in ground is ok.

[hollow finch]

I suggest giving titles for arena rewards. Vanquisher, etc. Easier than cosmetics and at least we get something.

[stone plover]

Reduce head shot damage multiplier suggestion, vote up if you agree that it should be reduced back down to pre season #6.5 levels.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/657879/reduce-head-shot-damage-multiplier

[crisp quiver]

Normals minted capped at Epic sound good. Even promotes crafting for copper and cobalt which is ded now.

Now its a shit show facing barbs full uniques against squire gears, no new players will keep playing

[fossil fossil]

New warlock perks/spells. Please SDF, I’m bored

[nova bronze]

@granite plinth is a scammer, do not interact with him in any way XD don't have to believe me but just avoid him and do yourself the favor.

[icy knot]

when campfire buff?

[patent mauve]

Whenever they decide to add stamina, or you can build physical healing and heal 6+ health per campfire tick.

[abstract bone]

@keen onyx nerf every class in the game by 75% take away the ability to cast spells and just have skirmish 1v1 stick fights.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery normals and HR back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[icy knot]

🔥

[broken rapids]

Add MAP rotation asap, playing one map is booring and playing with randoms is frustrating asf.

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[patent mauve]

Add a bounty system for the friends list, let players pay gold to the Expressman or another merchant to put a bounty on a previous player's head who slayed them in the dungeon. Tax it at 25% and anyone on your friends list can claim the bounty. Make it friends list only so this can't be abused by preteamers, this seems like a community solution to a 3rd party issue. Someone didn't respect the 1v1 and you want them to pay? Offer 750-1500 gold to anyone on your friends list who kills them.

[full patrol]

@keen onyx I suggest you update the Test server like you said you were going to do.

@dawn grotto I suggest you hold @keen onyx to his word and make him update the Test server.

@blazing vapor @fossil seal I suggest, as "Community Coordinators", that you oversee the Test server, and ensure that it gets updated and brought current the way @keen onyx said he was going to do. The community would appreciate your attention, and your handling of this matter.

Thanks.

[patent mauve]

I agree the test server should be updated and used for more future content and updates.

[broken rapids]

Imho only test ongoing is our community patience.

[full patrol]

I like to think, had they had the Test server updated and used properly, our wipe wouldn't need an extra MONTH to happen.

[broken rapids]

I also would like to see discussion in background what they have, how they improve, where they discuss with comunity etc. cuz I dont see single notes around whole internet.

[slow kite]

why not just open the map on the test server with the understanding that its got some bugs to work out, players could test it and give live feedback on what needs to be fixed. They could've used the test server like that since the beginning but they never do its ridiculous.

[full patrol]

I can't disagree with any of that. Solid input.

[slow kite]

some people are so addicted to the game the devs would get at least a 100 or so to grind whatever changes/classes/map/bosses they add to the test server. I have no idea why it was used once for druid, once for multiclass, and then never again. In both those cases they added the changes unchanged, so like why even put it on the test server to begin with.

[full patrol]

There's that many now. The leader boards are packed, granted some have more than one character on there, but still...people use the Test server, the data they could mine just on the daily would be a huge advantage.

[slow kite]

at this point in development there are still ALOT of tiny details that have needed fixing the entire time and have been excused due to the game being in "beta" or "early access". Its been literal years now and nothing.

[brisk junco]

Haha data yeah that’s what their missing just a bit more data and they can figure out to remove the zone for the 8th time

[slow kite]

literally all they've done is move numbers up and down while adding half finished things. For TWO YEARS

[grand mortar]

What are the major issues? I am out of the loop on this.

[full patrol]

Kind of depends on who you ask. lol 🙂

[grand mortar]

I'd love to hear them!

[icy knot]

⬆️

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development There are two text files, in the post and in the comments. I would rewrite the description, but I don't have the rights to do so. Please like this post. The slayer needs new weapons with a block, paired blades. (Weapons that originally drop in pairs) It is necessary to combine 2 perks into 1. (paired weapons and slayer) (there will be no armored cyborgs and there is an opportunity to take 1 more perk)

[icy knot]

#warlock message
Fix stairs so people can't camp in them

[icy knot]

game is so much more enjoyable with low gear diff..
#dnd-content message

[placid crystal]

True, red stairs should have a system of double check to leave.

[proper shadow]

Are you just asking what the issues are with the game or SDF or both?

[patent mauve]

This is the way

[grand mortar]

Both, it's been a while since I've played, not sure what all the changes are.

[patent mauve]

He's not gonna give you a direct answer, i already tried asking him.

[grand mortar]

Sadness. And a shame.

[icy knot]

There are already 2 modes for PVP: HR and Arena
Stop battle Royale nonsense in normals?(FOW)
Remove PVE

[rare mountain]

Wizard with spellbook and shield?

[spark marsh]

It's a little strange, better to have a protective spell for the wizard.

[rare mountain]

blue potion :v

[torn goblet]

does luck still make it less likely to get troll pelt?

[broken rapids]

Luck works like you can get higher rarity per item, Troll pelt is permanent rare, so it cant be rolled higher, it just drops from monster, which has some "preset" drop arleady after spawn. (I guess.)

[broken rapids]

Make Normals again Epic gear entry limited.

[abstract bone]

remove TM and nerf sorc dash @keen onyx then the game can start healing.

[daring marsh]

cant believe there still arent nameplates for group members. such a terrible change they havent reverted yet

[glass ibex]

BUFF LONGSWORD, ACTUALLY IS USELESS IN ARENA

[gritty juniper]

add nametags back fr

[loud dawn]

Give name tags back, re add fog of war, cap norms at blue

[boreal stirrup]

Is this still current? It hasn't been in-game for a long time.

Each player must be within the same gear score range to be placed in a match: 0-24 and 25-124 for normal, and 125-224 and 225+ for high roller.

If not can someone explain the new Matchmaking to me?

[icy knot]

They announced they were going to lower the gear diff, which they did, so having gear scores didn't make much sense. But after a few weeks, they reverted the gear changes and didn't bring back the gear score system because the player population was too low.

[boreal stirrup]

What means this for me? Whats the progress, i Grind Gear in PvE and then i go in PvP with a Build?

Normal Lobbies:

• Gear score range: 25-124
• Players within this range are matched together.
• Players with gear scores below 25 are also in their own separate bracket.

High Roller Lobbies:

• Gear score range: 125-224
• Players within this range are matched together.
• Players with gear scores above 224 are also in their own separate bracket.

So is that still the case?

[icy knot]

no

[boreal stirrup]

what else? i try to understand

[icy knot]

play if you want or wait till season 7

[boreal stirrup]

It means if u search pvp u can get 0-max gear players?

[icy knot]

yes

[boreal stirrup]

omg

except for artifact items, which are only available in high roller?

[icy knot]

they are also available in normal mode

[boreal stirrup]

wtf

Oh now i check, thanks!!

[loud dawn]

They should bring back door breaking to pursue. It is a direct nerf to the run and runner play style. It’s needed. Just because Druid is SDF’s main class, doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t have counter play. For the sake of the game, let us break doors easier again.

[broken rapids]

Play Barb and U can break doors.

My Rogue Cant even break crates or wood. So shhh

[queen isle]

barb cant even break doors in 1 hit with felling and crush anymore lmfao

[broken rapids]

He cant with perk? Oh lord.. my bad then. 😂😂 thats crazy

[somber ocean]

Change chicken ability to do a bawk that applies a debuff like pdr reduction or sum

[loud dawn]

Totally, Druid isn’t strong enough. Buff ‘em up.

[faint dirge]

lil bro still dies to druid?

[loud dawn]

I thought I was in tavern.

In this context chicken squawk works as a mirror to the fighter s taunt and reduces some of that pdr but it should also pull mobs, just like taunt.

[icy knot]

Sad they decided to nerf druid shapeshifting altogether, even though shapeshift mastery is the real problem.

[icy knot]

Why not add ropes to go down to ice abyss
Right now, the character is jumping down like a crazy person without facing any repercussions.

[broken rapids]

I would add some Icy waterslide so I can have atleast some virtual fun.

[icy knot]

I hope life drain will be as playable as TM in season 7

Plague spell for druid or warlock when?

Rat form plague effect buff when? It should last longer to account for the risk druid is taking. ||Is it really that hard to change one number? ||

[patent mauve]

Yeah or at least remove the location scaling off it

[broken rapids]

Warlock demon form needs some kind of levitation. (He has wings, if devs didint notice yet )

[fossil fossil]

We’re getting a new race nobody asked for yet no elf dwarf or pregnant goblin skin. This is a new low.. @blazing vapor explain please.

[broken rapids]

Re-Post after month

Lobbies and brackets..

• Add Map Rotation
• Normals = only up to epic gear = OR - Self found Gear
• Remove Swarm = add Fog of war ?
  Goblin services - all lobbys, but expensive.

Mining:

• add Gem chances while mining ore
• add random ore spawns around map

For my class (Rogue) I wish for:

• Ability wheel (Like casters have) = Caltrops, smokebomb, blinding sand etc.
• Increase Throwing Knives stacks by 1 (3 knives per stack)
• Weakpoint ability - Decrease %PDR in PvP(as it is now) + Flat decrease to monsters (Bards Shriek like)
• Cuttroat - Silence to casters/abilities+Unable to use Melee attack vs melee classes
• Merge Pickpocket+Lockpicking
• Merge Dagger mastery+Thrust (balance between buffing daggers so other classes dont abuse them anymore)
  (I dont want to suggest any other classes, becuase I dont play them, so my ideas woudnt be on point)

Guild system/tavern

• Guild oriented quests
• Guild stash
  Bring back quests for PvP

Items:

• Add Jewelery artifacts?
• Pouch or Quiver slot for consumables such throwing knives, Poison vial etc.
• Ice breaking possible by pickaxe, molotov? (Make it accesible for all classes..)

[charred igloo]

quivers

[spiral ember]

I feel that cut throat needs a buff because it doesn’t do much against mela classes such as barbs,fighters,and rouges also Pleese nerf sorc it’s painful to fight them it’s range is very long and deals highe damage and is kinda tanke wile still haveing high knowledge

[broken rapids]

Its what I said. Cuttroat could be doing "Paralyze" which dont allow melee attack/Action for 2sec.

[icy knot]

Sinking Pillars is an amazing room. We need more rooms like this—claustrophobic, with a strong dungeon-crawler vibe.

Open rooms are boringgg this game is not call of duty

[patent mauve]

Yes

[icy knot]

Sling Shot weapon?
||for barb? 🤣 ||

[halcyon delta]

SORRY I READED YOUR AND MANY OF THESE THINGS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED IN THE GAME AND ALSO JUST TO ADD YOUR IDEAS ARE NOT GREAT,..,.MOUSE WHEEL?!?1

[boreal stirrup]

Can someone tell me why it is so laggy, you cant play movement based like dodging and this type of shit bcs dsync the sword doesnt hit u but u take dmg and die

[worldly monolith]

Hey All, I thought I'd give Dark and Darker one more try since what I would call the good old days. I think the devs made a mistake alot of games make, you keep on feature creeping and you end up destroying the core of the game that was once the reason why it was fun. It's simply not a fun game any more.

1. Auction house - Buying power in a game that was all about finding power - the trading system before was work, you didn't depend on it but it was perfect in it's own way.
2. Escaping - It used to be a thrill to escape, making it out in general was full of fun, but now it's not special so many ways to exit, get massive gold. It's not special any more

It's just not fun anymore, I consider the game a ruined masterpiece. If you ever release a classic version where it was before the auction house before there were a milion quests and merchants, when it was just about making it out.

a Self found mode would be great as well in addtion.

GGs. DnD

[loud dawn]

Sling, like a balearic sling. Not a Dennis the menace slingshot right? Otherwise yes. For cleric and barb.

[patent mauve]

I'm fine with the marketplace, but I think that normals should be solo self found along with vendor bought items, and high roller be the place where you can bring in purchased items.

The odds of me dropping a deathbloom are too rare compared to me just farming gold to buy one, something you could've done with the old trading system but it would've taken hours instead of minutes. The old trading system was archaic and slowed down the time spent in the dungeon vs spending time in the menus. I love Diablo 2 and still play it today, I hate trading in it though and refuse to trade whenever I can.

[next juniper]

Terminate the Job Status of SDF probably best suggestion on here js

[spark marsh]

I disagree with you. The game needs to evolve. Believe me, if they give you the old version of the game, you'll get bored and stop playing after a couple of hours. Like WoW Classic, for example. Sure, it's fun to sit in the sandbox when everyone is green and young, but if you're thrown into the sandbox of old players, you won't like it. There's a lot that needs to be changed in the game. A lot. The game is still raw.

[broken rapids]

How about..
Make Normals SSF, possible drop everything (same as u can entry with everything).
No Swarm,but Fog of war?
Less AP points

HR = Swarm(Keep swarm for swarm enjoyers), higher chances to drop, noSSF entry, more AP points.

[boreal stirrup]

Why is this Game so laggy? I played 1 year ago and everything was fine, now you cant play sorcerer, mage, ranger bcs of dsync of your spells and arrows, close combat is shit too the enemy hits the air and yout get dmg this game was even better since i played last time, right now this game is unplayable, whats your expiriences with that?

[unreal barn]

I dont want fog of war again it was annoying the last time

[broken rapids]

Annoying so you coudnt do Find Quest Module or just stupidly rushing into boss room?:)

Fog of war deals with a lot of problems which this game have.

[icy knot]

I like fog of war it fixes the game

[unreal barn]

Back when boss rooms were random and the double loot room was its own module, it was a nightmare, you didnt have enough time to find both boss rooms, kill them and then find the loot room, AND you were expected to fight players, what did it solve exactly!?

[icy knot]

Benefits of Fog of War:

• fixes whole lobby in one module problem
• reduces constant 3rd party problem
• reduces boss farming(real money making)
• keeps players playing for longer as quests are harder to complete(good from dev perspective)
• can help to identify players using ESP
• gives dungeon crawling vibe
• reduces stream-sniping

and more content can be made on top of it as my friend suggested:
#suggestion-discussion message

[broken rapids]

@unreal barn

[unreal barn]

1 there were always those who knew of the "most sought" modules and avoided them to loot the lesser sought ones, thats not a problem for everyone, you know what you compete for
2 no it doesnt? Third parties can still be random
3 no it doesnt, its just first come first serve and since many classes kill some bosses within seconds, some classes will be meta to spam if they spawn close to the boss
4 some quests took forever to complete and this was a real issue
5 a randomizer detecting tool was made the last time this was done, look it up
6 no different than now honestly
7 oh boohoo the poor streamers they are the only ones who really matter dont they?

Everybody knows everyone will just turn to the randomizing detection to find what they need, it doesnt solve anything other than slightly extend the time required, anyone still not using it will get screwed over

[full patrol]

It seems we can all save our time, nothing is going to be 'done' until after the start of the next season.

Kraze_Pendragon — 1:18 AM
Update the Test server please. It can't be that difficult, it's been months already and sdf said he would keep it updated.

IRONMACE Technical Support

DAD
— 3:38 AM
Hi there
[3:38 AM]
I am so sorry but now our devs are committed in developing new content and map for the upcoming new season 7/
[3:38 AM]
So, it seems that the test server would not be updated soon

Kraze_Pendragon — 12:43 PM
Did I mention that it's been MONTHS since an update??

So there you have it, don't expect much for another month.

[icy knot]

1. (reduces) but I guess if some rooms are fixed now, it will not work as well as before
2. ||(reduces) but I guess if some rooms are fixed now, it will not work as well as before||
3. (reduces) rn bosses have almost fixed location in the middle of the map; if devs re-add fog of war, it’s super easy to find a boss
4. it wasn’t a fog of war problem. rooms required to find weren’t spawning on the map even when fog was removed. IM F up basically
5. randomizer detecting tool existed. IM increased randomization or removed system and tool wasn’t working properly
6. honestly rn it’s just boss farming simulator, not a dungeon
7. it’s an additional good thing

[patent mauve]

Fog doesn't prevent anything, but it does slow down the progress and speed at which players head to specific modules. The issue RN is people know exactly which module to sprint to, they're just upset they have to fight a boss in the swarm.

The loot quality is insane rn, you never have to focus down a POI if you don't want to. You can loot small and medium chests all match and make a ton of gold.
I really like the way the PvE feels rn, if they could keep hammering away at it to make it less trivial and more threatening. People who chase my squire kit bard in HR rn keep dying to mobs and it's hilarious. Keep making the dungeon an actual dungeon and not something that's so easily figured out. Secret paths between modules that change from game to game.

[broken rapids]

I guess we all just want swarm to get the fck out of game

[patent mauve]

I don't mind the swarm, it actually helps me rat, but I see that people overall don't like it and their decision to remove it proved they wanted the game to feel less like a BR

[broken rapids]

Personally I dont like swarm, and if there is something to be like it = Fog.
At the same time I like Fog for reason you have hidden map, which made people actually explore and U didnt find ppl sitting near doors waiting to landmine etc.
You still had to search for extract point, like with Swarm and so. Swarm is just too punishing, force people somewhere and dont allow them explore whole dungeon.

[patent mauve]

Solo self found and FoW are needed, to keep this game from being fully solved and a stale boring game loop

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development There are two text files, in the post and in the comments. I would rewrite the description, but I don't have the rights to do so. Please like this post. The slayer needs new weapons with a block, paired blades. (Weapons that originally drop in pairs) It is necessary to combine 2 perks into 1. (paired weapons and slayer) (there will be no armored cyborgs and there is an opportunity to take 1 more perk) Let us play on the slayer. Refine the concept. I have provided you with a bunch of ideas. However, what can I say? Weapons are necessary. They will resolve a multitude of issues. For example, when you use a general combo, you slow down twice as much. Tin soldier. The weapon already weighs 35, more than a two-handed sword. And the slayer can't take the speed perk because he doesn't have the option to take it. As a result, the armored fighter runs faster than the leather fighter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw6Nwv8Zqyc&list=LL&index=1 Please breathe new life into it. As a player with a 1400 fame level on Slayer, I can help you and justify this necessity. Here is a recording of a famous streamer who tried playing as Slayer. Slayers want to play, not suffer. We should have equal chances of winning.

And of course, we want to play in a group if you give us the opportunity to be useful.

[icy knot]

Why doesn’t PEAK have a map?
Because it would ruin immersion and make the game too easy. Players would instantly know there’s a chest nearby without actually seeing it — giving away free information.

Visible modules let players know EVERYTHING about the map, turning a dungeon crawler into a battle royale farming machine.

[loud dawn]

Peak also has fall damage. Should we also have that? (Yes)

[icy knot]

yes
why not

[patent mauve]

Fall damage would be nice

If falling off the bridge meant you lost 20 HP, less people would abuse jumping down to run up the stairs while kiting

There's not many places where people jump from that high of heights

[icy knot]

people would not sit in high places to jump and kill you

[patent mauve]

Or even if they did they'd be at a slight disadvantage if you noticed them before they landed

[loud dawn]

No more bear dropping from heaven.

[broken rapids]

Dont add fall damage, my skate ankles already hurt irl when i step down from somewhere.

[icy knot]

can rogue double jump save him from fall damage?

[loud dawn]

Yeah, probably.

[icy knot]

how does rogue double jump work? is it magic?
Is rogue defying the laws of physics?
I know there is magic in the game. but rogue is not magical class
🧠

[loud dawn]

Him farting.

[icy knot]

[loud dawn]

Suggestion. Add fart sound for double jump. Make it very loud. Let me know where rogue is from like 2 modules away

[icy knot]

• occasionally make him fart so he can't landmine

why not make it so agility makes you jump higher?

[patent mauve]

Add named boots, cloud shoes, (Old shoes) that give a second jump off a puff of cloud with a 5 second cool down.

[icy knot]

Slow the player that jumped from mid height for X milliseconds?

If fall time increases make slow longer and make him receive some damage

[queen isle]

me when cloud in a bottle

[patent mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-dog-the-situation-im-in-rn-gif-12202597808913004719

MFW its suggested and i forget gifs dont work

[queen isle]

nah fuq that shit dude

the person who uploaded that tiktok stole the video, cringe af
gave 0 credit or anything, and did it to dozens of the OP's videos

[patent mauve]

This is not the lore dump i needed at 4 PM on a tuesday

[queen isle]

its the lore dump you got

[patent mauve]

[torpid trout]

can u just make a good game already or give it to an actual game development that knows what they are doing?!?!

[queen isle]

lanterns should be reworked
make rightclick toggle them off (losing stat bonuses) instead of throwing them

[subtle plinth]

make ray of darkness great again

[icy knot]

Buff simplest spell in the game?
Nah
I prefer new spells

[grand mortar]

Why lose stats? You still have it in your hand.

[queen isle]

balance

being visible is the downside of having a lantern equipped.
it gives you a lot of buffs without the downside of a movespeed decrease that other items would give you.

[grand mortar]

Reasonable.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[errant zodiac]

just revert the game to season 5, reopen all the qeues, leave stats as they are now, the lobbies are more dead now than when there was all the differnet qeues so what was the point

[errant zodiac]

the only fight si really find are solo goblin caves

[spiral ember]

They need to nerf theese dam sorcerers I was in a full legend kit wile they were in base and the two hit me fix theese dam things

[queen isle]

ssf normals would still just be timmy stomping with high tier gear

[patent mauve]

As opposed to any rendition of normals ever?

Squire lobbies separate players from the core gameplay loop of getting gear and using it. If someone brought a SSF legendary kit into normals and died with it they'd lose hours of grinding vs rn where they just spend 3 minutes in the market and are hopping right back in to crush timmies.

Id prefer they add incentives to playing HR that don't force players to not play normals. You could still bring gear into normals with SSF but the risk is higher and less appealing. Being able to buy gear and use anything in HR seems like a better option to me. But I'm open to hearing what you'd prefer

[queen isle]

Timmy stomping will always happen.
But having no gear limites just makes it worse, even if it was SSF.
You say "hours of grinding" but with socketing, and 1-2 hr runs, you can get a decent kit.

[full patrol]

A full legend kit doesn't guarantee your life.

[patent mauve]

Right, but if 4 legendary players go into a raid and 3 die to each other, thats 3-6 hours worth of grinding that needs to happen for them all to get back to pub stomping, have that happen over 10 games thats 30-60 hours of good players needing to grind to get the same level of gear back. Eventually they will get tired of self finding kits to pubstomp with and make their way into HR with purchased gear more readily available, fighting the same level of difficulty in geared players. Even 24 GS lobbies had min maxing lizard barbs with green hatchets.

I dont want overly restrictive gear score caps that make purple+ gear unusable for F2P players, i just want a more even playing field. I'd be fine with the removal of adventure mode in place of a squire only lobby/ normals SSF/ Market gear HR

[queen isle]

green hatchets hardly made a difference

[patent mauve]

For sure, now the gear gap is squished outside of bis rolled purple+ gear

[brisk junco]

WOW every lfg channel but NA is totally dead @keen onyx @dawn grotto keep up the great work maybe a semi semi semi wipe can fix this

[icy knot]

SSF normals
Reduce gear diff(remove main stats from rolls!)

[naive thicket]

Realistically norms should have a gear cap up to epic. Once uniques and quad rolled legendaries are in the mix, it becomes incredibly difficult for non pre-made teams and newer players to compete. It’s just not good for the long term health of the game.

[brittle igloo]

just remove rolls again

[brittle igloo]

its about high risk high reward

[loud dawn]

norms is about normal risk normal reward, HR should be high risk high reward.

[valid oak]

Not entirely but certainly less

[patent mauve]

Agreed, SSF normals with goblin recovery sounds good to me.

[queen isle]

blues at most

[icy knot]

Depends on gear diff

[patent mauve]

I'll settle for purples max, free to play players not being able to use the legendary loot they find is already bad enough, I don't want them restricted from the epic crafts as well.

[odd kernel]

I wonder if we could implement a gear score system 🤔

[naive thicket]

Not opposed to this but imo they would have to rework some of the craftable gear to make it more genuine

[subtle plinth]

we should be able to craft more gear

[broken rapids]

IF normals would be SSF, Im totally OK with no gear restriction entry.

[keen karma]

💯

[rare mountain]

nerf barbarian

rework Warlock demon form

[patent mauve]

This is the way, it's alot more risk to lose a self found life after death vs a purchased one.

[icy knot]

More players play normal mode than HR.
If normal mode were SSF, fewer people would buy items from the marketplace.
Would that make items overall cheaper or more expensive?

[subtle plinth]

elaborate

[patent mauve]

It would make gear cheaper, as a surplus of supply vs less demand, besides minted gear being traded between players, if someone killed me I'd offer them minimum 2x-3x scrap cost for every piece of gear.

[patent mauve]

Also if purchased meds were allowed, then crafting materials and meds would be more expensive.

[frosty knoll]

Spell Mastery perk for wizard.

Functions like weapons mastery for fighter, allowing spells from any class at 10% reduced MPB.

[weak tartan]

@here

[icy knot]

why does it feel like Will should be split into 2 main stats?

[errant zodiac]

revert every thing to season 5, except stats on gear

[icy knot]

With so few players, the number of queues should be reduced. The gear diff should be lowered to accommodate this change

[valid rivet]

being able to solo queue on every map, would be pretty cool

[distant cloak]

sdf should start diggin in his butt

[subtle plinth]

@keen onyx plz add switched glock

[icy knot]

Randomly invert few modules during map generation

[subtle plinth]

when a player loads into a match as druid make them permanent one health and if a player kills them they get 200000 gold

[icy knot]

be more creative with opening hidden rooms,

• it is required to hang oil lantern on some status
• magical vines can only be destroyed with fire

[subtle plinth]

make crafting useful plz

[jolly fiber]

Having 3 ppl on me in solos in less then a minute is great

Got stuck in a door also great

[fossil fossil]

based

[fossil fossil]

What!?!? Crafting is so useful, there are pants that make you do 0.02 damage extra and a book that makes yoru spells do 0.03 extra damage against armoured targets.

[loud dawn]

I was looking through the asset packs that they use, and there’s a whole jester outfit in there that they aren’t using. Put the jester outfit in.

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[full patrol]

Hmmm....No.

[loud dawn]

I’m not playing but it’s because the game has no real depth of content, not out of some kind of message I want to send to the devs. If they gave a fuck about our opinions, they’d read the discord, but they have never given an indication that they do.

[proper shadow]

👍

[copper jackal]

Ironic because the fishing people are partly responsible for the water map

[rare mountain]

Wipe the season first, please! @dawn grotto! @keen onyx!

[patent mauve]

Brave hunter pants are BIS for Cleric Troll Cheese

-8% debuff duration chefs kiss

[surreal gorge]

@keen onyx What is the point of accumulating wealth when there is nothing to buy in the game but gear. Gear is the endgame and has always been and we currently have no alternative. Personally the gear system is a huge part of what makes love the game.

[rain raven]

I wish I can get Necromancer
Can summon Demon and Skeleton Axeman
Let them one shot wizard or ranger

PLS

[icy knot]

Shift in Growth Model: Time investment results in gradual accumulation of wealth, not excessive power scaling.

How about this: the more gold you have in your stash, the more gold appears in the tavern lobby — just like in Fable 3, where the more gold you own, the bigger the piles of gold are in the treasury (vault).

Friendly reminder that Season 5 gear without main stats on random rolls was actually good

[signal burrow]

Tbh the lack of content can be resolved with additional levels to the already established dungeons. Add 2 more levels to ruins, increase the mobs difficulty, making nightmare the middle hard, the 4th level hard, and 5th level harder with a necessity to have bis to survive. Giving the players more challenging levels, harder mobs and then eventually bosses on those levels would increase interest and create an actual "endgame" for people to grind for.
Currently the player base gets to a good point in gold where they buy bis, fight, take bis, sell, buy bis, lose bis, buy bis, lose bis...etcetcetc. the main point for most of them now is to buy bis and stomp around in norms with legenday/unique gear because they are bored and have nothing to use the bis towards. the bosses on HR -they killed in bis 100 fold, the mobs become a joke because they have killed them countless times and the FEAR that was once there, no longer resides. Make the game FEARED on the lower floors, 4th and 5th floors. That is what you guys are missing. even if you had new maps, which is awesome, the end game content issue still remains. Add floors, its what makes DaD so awesome imo. Add another floor for gobby caves too.
Just someone with 3.5k hours into this game and still love it. Cheers

[signal burrow]

I would like that, if you are forced to house the gold in your stash, have a way to showcase it :p

[icy knot]

true dungeon is too easy

[signal burrow]

I think the dungeons difficulty is good for anyone with 0-1k hours. After that it becomes too easy. The majority of players playing DaD are veteran, 1k+

[icy knot]

Unlock maps and harder dungeon levels gradually throughout the season.
This would prevent players from having BiS items in the first week after a wipe to stomp others, makes progression fairer for all, reduces the number of queues, introduces a proper progression system across the season, adds events to the game.

Right now, main bosses are too easy to slay and too easy to encounter — it feels more like a farming simulator than a dungeon crawler.

[patent mauve]

I want every map linked to ruins, ruins should be the first floor and every other map a second/ third floor addition to other maps.

[proper shadow]

EVERYONE

I’m no one’s father so to be clear I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. …but I beg you ALL. MY BROTHERS(possibly sisters or peoples) PLEASSSEEEE stop playing the game until the wipe happens. Then we hop on and if they make a bunch more dumb decisions then we all go right back to boycotting the game until SDF gets it through his head that we don’t want HIS game. He will make us OUR GAME OR NO GAME!!!
#ourgameornogame

[signal burrow]

or...hear me out..imma just keep playing the game because I love the game..LOL

[patent mauve]

Agreed

[broken rapids]

Ye Thats why all of them play normals and hunt newbies

[opaque sinew]

Mobs are not interesting to fight

[thick light]

would be super nice if arena just stays open again until semi semi wipe

[icy knot]

So arena becomes boring mode, causing more people to leave each day

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/652699/slayer-new-class-development There are two text files, in the post and in the comments. I would rewrite the description, but I don't have the rights to do so. Please like this post. The slayer needs new weapons with a block, paired blades. (Weapons that originally drop in pairs) It is necessary to combine 2 perks into 1. (paired weapons and slayer) (there will be no armored cyborgs and there is an opportunity to take 1 more perk) Let us play on the slayer. Refine the concept. I have provided you with a bunch of ideas. However, what can I say? Weapons are necessary. They will resolve a multitude of issues. For example, when you use a general combo, you slow down twice as much. Tin soldier. The weapon already weighs 35, more than a two-handed sword. And the slayer can't take the speed perk because he doesn't have the option to take it. As a result, the armored fighter runs faster than the leather fighter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw6Nwv8Zqyc&list=LL&index=1 Please breathe new life into it. As a player with a 1400 fame level on Slayer, I can help you and justify this necessity. Here is a recording of a famous streamer who tried playing as Slayer. Slayers want to play, not suffer. We should have equal chances of winning. And of course, we want to play in a group if you give us the opportunity to be useful.

[icy knot]

Did you know if you increase everything in the game, health and damage everything is easier to balance

#dnd-content message

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[brisk junco]

Yeah I’m sure that’s the player retention issue pal deff not the year+ of horrible changes and backpedaling

[patent mauve]

Maybe competition will actually roll around and not flop over dead like every game that's tried to fill these funny man shoes.

[brisk junco]

golden goose of a concept only a matter of time till it happens

[leaden knot]

Legit not a bad idea to fix all the noobs being hunted like dogs

[balmy holly]

how many people still playing ts?

[somber notch]

wizard hat should give knowledge (less than coif) and magic power (not will) simultaneously

[patent mauve]

Wiz had should definitely give knowledge or cast speed.

[icy knot]

True

• Book could also give knowledge instead of magic power as book is universal symbol of knowledge

[icy knot]

Or maybe

• memory capacity
  -- cast speed
  for balance
  Idk

[fossil fossil]

@dawn grotto @blazing vapor why is this channel here if nothing comes from the suggestions? There’s been loads of material given, yet we end up with a subnautica map and reskinned goblins..

[abstract ridge]

Remove storm and add solo mode for castle map

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[brisk junco]

ssf is a shiet concept they would be fine just limiting norms to green or blue entry

[patent mauve]

Min maxed barbs in blue gear will still do the same thing they're doing rn in purple and legendaries

[brisk junco]

yeah but for like ~1000 gold u can be in decent blues brings the barrier to entry way down; ssf isnt going to stop the guy who grinds hr from bringing in full unique kits into norms ; if anything ssf makes it harder for casual players to comp

[patent mauve]

Not for BiS rolled blues, the demand for blue gear would skyrocket, we already saw that with 124 gearscore lobbies blue move speed boots were 500-1000 gold, so max health rolled blues and +1 all gear will become 1000+ gold for a single piece if they implemented blue capped normals.

SSF rewards time spent playing, and not how much gold per hour you can make.

[icy knot]

SSF normals levels playing field

Marketplace is pay to win
You buy game so you can get good items from marketplace. Free to play players can't do that

[brisk junco]

remove market remove traders remove gold remove atts? how is the market place pay to win? haha im not even going to comment back about the free to play players lmao

[brisk junco]

ur right that guy who spents his days grinding ghost king hr like is a job deserves to kill timmies in norms he earned it

[patent mauve]

No but he deserves to lose that self found kit he spent 3 hours building on death and start over, instead of spending 5 minutes buying and gemming blue gear on repeat to crush the same timmies.

[patent mauve]

Free to play players can buy gear, they just can't sell items to make the same gold income as someone who bought the game.

So they're at a clear disadvantage compared to paid players who have higher effective gold acquisition per hour.

Free to play player plays 10 games, makes 5k gold, paid player plays 10 games, gets 1-2 troll pelts along with his regular loot that he can sell, makes 15k. Buys 3x more gear than free to play players, wins more.

Twe self found geared players in legendary gear that took 3-4 hours of grinding to make, fight, one wins, one loses, that's one full self found kit that can't re-enter the normal dungeon

[brisk junco]

think about how the player base was distributed through the 0-24 124 224 225+ lobbies the vast majority of players played 0-24 and 224 for pvp having limits creates fairer play; the guy who plays more is always going to have an advantage

[patent mauve]

Multiply that over 100 fights, that's 50+ kits lost that can't go back into normals that 150-200hours of effort, vs spending 5 minutes buying a kit and going into HR and leaving self found normals players alone.

[brisk junco]

no they guy who actually plays just has a page or 2 of kits and will still be able to gear up instantly that doesnt change

[patent mauve]

And 225+ lobbies were dead yeah I remember, was the easiest demigod grind to date.

[patent mauve]

I'm sure he'd prefer to risk his gear for gear of equal value.

Gear that took 3 hours to find vs gear that takes 5 minutes to buy. I wouldn't risk a self found kit for scraps, id let people play normals and use the self found kit for Arena.

[brisk junco]

yeah it was dead as hell haha but it shows that people want to fight more when they know that their against people of similair gear

[patent mauve]

I prefer playing HR in base kit anyway, it's more fun when the risk is low vs high rewards

[brisk junco]

yup thats why i love games like rust

[patent mauve]

That's why people are playing normals with gear anyway, lowers the risk of dying when PvE isn't as threatening and people are less geared overall

[patent mauve]

Id be fine with removing adventure mode and adding squire lobbies, with SSF normals up to legendary, and anything goes HR.

Squire is as close as you can get to a level playing field.

Free to play players still can buy crafting materials with their gold and aren't really at much of a disadvantage as they can mine ores in squire gear/ SSF lobbies

I would love for the money market to die outside of HR

[brisk junco]

yeah squire was great for pvp and offered a place for people to learn removing that and adding pve has to be one of their biggest mistakes imo\

[patent mauve]

My only issue with adventure mode is the farming, I teach people how to do troll from this discord all the time and I have to deal with people farming troll pelts for hours

Im really good at getting gold farmers killed by troll though so it's kinda like a mini game in its own right. Adventure mode bosses shouldn't drop their expensive crafting mats. It should be mainly for training and making a little gold from sellables

Or at least make them a lot more rarer, so farmers aren't hogging the boss rooms with bis kits, I've seen deathbloom rogues farming adventure mode troll lmao

[brisk junco]

hahah yeah i learned all the bosses in norms the few pve i tried it was just stuffed with farmers would rather just fight someone than deal with pve mode farmers

[patent mauve]

Yeah squire lobbies are definitely what i prefer over Adventure mode, it was a cool concept, but didn't really fit the design of the game

Squire lobbies are also more about the loot, like you wanna kill a semiboss and loot a big chest before PvP you might find a huge upgrade that gives you just a slight edge over other players.

[brisk junco]

yup gives everyone a reason to loot something thats quite gone from norms atm

[eternal raptor]

@dawn grotto can we hotfix cleanse to remove all debuffs so it isnt a completely dead spell for cleric? it's not like its that crazy even if it did considering how short TTK is with your overtuned headshot modifier crap

[merry gazelle]

for the last few days before wipe (aka starting now) please let all vendors carry artifacts/top tier items and make them all 1 gold each. most ppl quit as soon as they are out of gear, this will help retain some ppl and maybe even bring some back before the next wipe commences

[queen isle]

no

[merry gazelle]

great feedback, love to hear it, HOLD THE LINE

[queen isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068515318533730344/1407874074415337633/image.png?ex=68a7b068&is=68a65ee8&hm=b73f4e76920dda8e317357ce78fa233184e28012ddfde3b1e7347f14273ddc09&

[broken rapids]

This is problem, buy,die,buy,die,buy die..
with SSF You can entry with ANYTHING you find, you can kill people and steal their bis they found, but you cant trade it,so you coudnt use it in Normal SSF. thats great concept.

[brisk junco]

Nah it’s terrible but believe want u want mate play more win more that simple

[broken rapids]

Legit 99% players enjoy first week SSF every season dude. 😂

You still could to HR and re-buy like dummy every death, go on:)

Its becuase people actually wear good stuff they found and not keep them in stash forever.

[brisk junco]

yeah thats why they add and remove it instantly every time because people enjoy it too much bro ur so smart @keen onyx u should hire this monkey

[broken rapids]

No they remove everything that community enjoy. Prove me wrong)

[brisk junco]

ur right i think they just need to add and remove the circle a few more times trust guys they have almost got it just need to remove then add circle one more time

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[eternal tundra]

this is a cosmetic channel

[icy knot]

Stop wasting time on stuff that doesn't add anything to the game. Like cosmetics

[icy knot]

Make this game a dungeon crawler stop this battle royale/money farming nonsense

Being lost in the dungeon is the key to success. Bring back fog of war

[patent mauve]

I would like more mechanics in the game that revolve around dungeon crawling vs dungeon sprinting

More reasons to stay in a single module for longer periods of time.

[frosty spire]

scroll of forgotten knowledge where do i get it?

[split bolt]

maybe consider gear limited dungeons again - its little boring dying to someone who carries uniques and orange items into normals

also considering how a lot of players are quitting/complaining about lots of things - consider making some requested feedback - maybe a voting poll or some survey and get more players share their thoughts on what is good and what needs to be changed instead of making changes that to community seem quite random

[tacit blaze]

I play rogue, I know I have low vigor and therefore low HP. But I get one-shotted by Sorcerers in squire gear with the lightning vortex spell. Really do like 70/80% of my HP.
I think a "defense" spell: AOE + SLOW should have low damage. Right?

[broken rapids]

Rogue is Dark souls mode.

[valid oak]

IM doesn't know what he's doing, only someone with little experience in the genre or someone who is stupid can create AOE spells that do more damage than a projectile spell.This is what made Dungeonborn a shitty game, and they did the same.

[fossil fossil]

@dawn grotto @blazing vapor why is this channel here if nothing comes from the suggestions? There’s been loads of material given, yet we end up with a subnautica map and reskinned goblins..

[fossil fossil]

Gonna be honest, you’re complaining about a pretty decent spell here. The range is terrible and it’s not instant. If you run the second you see casting start then you live

[tacit blaze]

I never played Sorc, its hard to tell which spell he is going to cast

[quick pecan]

So you want them to balance the game based of your lack of game knowledge no wonder this game is never “balanced”

[tacit blaze]

Nah i want them to nerf a spell that do 8 billions dmg + aoe CC + aoe slow

[quick pecan]

It doesn’t tho 😭 and one of the easiest spells to avoid and also puts them in a locked state of movement

[tacit blaze]

Ok, ur right, sorc is fine and balanced, i agree

[quick pecan]

❤️😘

[abstract bone]

@keen onyx buff druid

[fossil fossil]

Nobody’s saying that, he’s broken for sure. Just not in the way you think.

He can root you in the ground with his frost lightning for an absurd amount of time, has a golem that uses warlocks flame walk spell and blocks doors. He can teleport AND he can 1 shot headshot most classes in squire with his element bolt.

The aoe spell that does damage in a 1foot radius is nothing compared to all that..

[patent mauve]

It should have a delay like vortex already comes with for sure.

It's another tool in its arsenal that's anti melee and only two melee classes have ways to counter it. Avoiding being 2.625 meters from them until you manage to bait out lightning vortex when they have the capacity to one/two shot you in mid range with multiple spells is a big ask.

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[icy knot]

Dark and Darker

[native wolf]

REMOVE RANGER SHOTGUN ARROW

NERF DRUID INSTANT TRANSFORM - BUFF ATTACK AND DEFENSE OF ANIMAL FORMS

[ebon willow]

THIS. YES.

People able to bring full unique or BIS gear in normals just make the game and fights feels hopeless

[fossil fossil]

Nah, normals for anything. Hr for SSF. If you want a challenge that’s fair, that is the way to go

[patent mauve]

What would be the point of anything for normals? The issue people have is overly geared players in normals constantly

[quasi berry]

thats why you just pickpocket their aegises, easy

[fossil fossil]

pvping. That would be the point. All the people with Bis go there already to pk. Let them do that there

[patent mauve]

Why solo self found for high roller instead of normals, I still don't get the reasoning

[fossil fossil]

Cause, theres nothing but junk in norms, people go there to pvp already

[patent mauve]

High roller is challenging even with gear normals is about attaining gear, normals drops up to legendary gear rn, not junk.

People go to normals to PvP because it has more players and less people ratting.

If normals had less geared players and required you to find all the gear you use, people would go to HR to PvP because you can buy a kit in 3-5 minutes vs spending hours farming the drops you need for SSF normals.

[narrow tree]

For arena can we do a map selection/ban phase like in csgo? I think that would be awesome and provide good data for future better tiles in arena

[patent mauve]

I second this, each team can ban one map in a pool of like 6.

[queen isle]

[full patrol]

Split the game. At start up you pick either PvP or PvE. Now there's full time 'arena' on any map that you want to play. Want to 1v1, you can do that. Want to 1v2, you can do that. Want to 3v3, you can do that too. Options boost a games popularity.

Now, you can say "But but but...they will farm PvE for loot and bring it into PvP" Ya, so what? It's the same fucking loot, and nothing is stopping you from doing it either, fair is fair.

Or, you can say "But but but...the lobbies will be empty" Ya, so what? They're empty now. You can run around for half your allotted time and find NO ONE. But just maybe...just maybe, with a full scale PvE option, it will bring in more people and then some of those might migrate to the PvP side?

Or, you can say "But but but...the people who pick PvE will get bored of it quick because there's nothing to do and they'll quit. Ya, so what?? What do you care if someone who's playing PvE quits? Hell, they just might be one of those people who migrates to PvP because they are bored.

That's all. Grow the game or remain stagnant in your vision, the choice is yours. @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[split bolt]

As somebody said - do the opposite - ssf for normals and gear for highroller - you need to take difficulty perspective in mind - pve mode you only deal with normal mobs, normal you deal with normal mobs and people and Highroller you deal with insane mobs and quite often insane people

I dont necessarily think we need SSF, just limit certain gear levels - like 0 to 200, 200-400, 400+ - just an example not sure what the actual numbers should be, but make it so within the range anyone has reasonable chance of winning a fight

[queen isle]

ssf in normals is a horrible idea, its still just going to be gear diffing timmy stomping

[broken rapids]

Norms and HR could have familiar drop rate tho, just less AP points for demigod grind and so on. :)) (ofc i would like to see different AP grind overall..)

[broken rapids]

Its not, you can kill that full geared guy,and earn his hard worked out loot. thats how it should work tho. Not like die,buy,die,buy market system.
And if you dont like ssf, you still would have HR buy mode.

Also they should do monster difficulty based on map level. (1st floor easier/2nd harder/inferno hardest.)

[queen isle]

keep gear to HR, or the no-lifers will just timmy stomp still, it doesnt matter that its ssf or not ssf.

also they can just buy materials then craft gear

its also takes like 1 hr run to get full purples, and then you could just socket them, and even without socketing its not hard to get a decent kit

[broken rapids]

yes but in HR you might find that minmaxed group, which doesnt allow you to get that great gear.

And thats also what I mentioned above.
Norm x HR could have same item drop rate. (2 different modes, same style, monster difficulty based on Map level.)

[queen isle]

you want a battle royale for Hr, got it

[broken rapids]

Have u ever played BR? wtf.
I want actual extration.
You find, you can bring again..
BR is 0-Hero, next game again 0-Hero.

Currently its go in, dont crawl,die, re-buy, again.
(not fun, atleast for me.)

[queen isle]

youre a specimen, i wish i was good at explaining things

[broken rapids]

Its easy to explain, just what We all talking about SSF mode:

3 MODES
Normal x High Roller x Arena

Normals x HR

• Same drop rate (including artifacts etc..)
• Same monsters difficulty (but fixed for map stages if needed)
  If item is marketplaced = Marked, you cant use it in normals

Just 2 different modes, same idea, just
Now it depens if High roller is better name for SSF mode. thats all.

Arena
Classic arena 24/7 for direct PvP players to have fun.

[queen isle]

yeah you gotta be trolling or something

[broken rapids]

Its disscussion thread, so discuss, write your cons/pros or shut.

[queen isle]

nah

[icy knot]

They should focus on what makes the arena fun and bring that into the dungeon.

100% item safety? ❌ we can't have that. But what we can have is a Goblin gear recovery system back.

This system could be improved even further so that self-looted items are better than those bought on the marketplace. For normal mode, make SSF items have a 100% return rate, while handled items have a much lower rate or none at all.
@keen onyx

[fossil fossil]

Dude, you’ve been here less than a month. Give it another week and tell me these mobs are ‘insane’

[split bolt]

fair even tho I played when the game came out of weekend playtests - but what i meant was compared to the base version of the mobs

and my point was to make the difficulty curve logical with the gear requirments

I think it all comes down what is the player preference in what ssf is supposed to mean:

1. equal starting ground - protection from running into somebody with full bis while you´re trying to get something you might want to keep
2. added challenge - here you could argue SSF is meant for highroller

For me it´s the first one
I believe high-roller is meant to be the high risk high reward style of game mode. You face bigger "challenge" in terms of monsters and you can expect higher geared opponents --> both the dungeon difficulty and pvp difficulty is reflected in the rewards - you could actually make a gear lvl requirment for highroller in order to make the risk more acceptable - by fighting a player you don´t risk your position/resources for squire kit but for something that might worth it for you.

I believe they did something in the past that was like:

you can bring gear up to blue into normals
epics and higher belong into highroller

I think that isnt a bad way to go about it - you make a fairer environment for everyone.
Yes people who want to run epics and higher in newbie lobbies just for the sake of having easy kills on everyone will cry about it but for the rest of the players it is (in my opinion) fair environment. You risk your gear but the promised reward is much higher.

[fossil fossil]

Make true random modules. Stop with this square room pattern. Have an AI cut the current rooms up into smaller chunks and organize them into something Creative.

It’s wild that a full dev team can be less creative and intuitive than a rock we taught to learn..

[broken rapids]

"true random" is only if they add back Fog of war. then randomize modules have meaning.

[broken rapids]

I would split into 2 modes like Normal x High-roller
Normal = classic, everything allowed (but we need atleast one bracket up to rare/epic + 1 unlimited. (To prevent timmy stomping by full bis partys etc)

High roller = SSF, craftable entry.

BUT We need monster dificult changes.
HR Now is kinda insane, i got so many times oneshoted by one damn mistake or mishear/whatever by so many monsters in rly high gear (Rogue main..) Something needs to be adjusted.

• my idea maybe would be = Monsters on 1st floor easier, less Nightmare monster density, 2nd floor harder ... and so on. That would me fine I guess.
  This also should be implemented in Normals.
  In terms of drop rates, both modes same. (maybe HRxSSF better drops, cuz you risk more equipment)

[tired acorn]

you guys know they dont read this right?

[split bolt]

For clarity sake what does solo-self-found mean to you? I am kinda used to meaning squire gear + what you find in the current dungeon, but maybe the meaning changed since I learned it in this game

[split bolt]

Why do you type here then? Not trying to cause drama, just curious

[broken rapids]

its as you write, what you find, that is found by you and you cant trade it/enter in with "handled" item lets say. 🙂

[split bolt]

I meant also things looted by you in previous runs

[broken rapids]

Yeas I mean that too.
To me it sounds good to bring only what you find to go in. even from previous runs, becuase you had to make osme effort to get those items, not just re-buy from market. (i find this re-buy gameplay all over again booring)

in lobby can be some stacked guy, but if you kill him,loot him? you earned it. like in prison, when you smash biggest guy on sight

• also and after you kill him, he simply wont have same or even better set instantly after you kill him

[fossil fossil]

Nah, gives us experienced guys an extra advantage. I want the feeing of new content

[broken rapids]

Extra advantage in what actually?
Extra advantage is when you have random dungeon but no Fog, becuase you exactly know where to run.

[split bolt]

I think it doesnt solve the issue much tho - the point isnt unfairness of people killing you with bought stuff, the unfairness lies in the lvl of gear other people enter with - but agree even limiting to only self found would be an improvement

[broken rapids]

Well, but then we need something like Ranking system to entry, so you dont meet new/low peoples.. which is bad for matchmaking. (with current player numbers)
SSF could be one of best improvements for this overGeared re-buy players vs new ones.
And those 2 modes as I mentioned would pre-select people who want to play which modes.

[split bolt]

Yea, definitely - I am not too concerned with skill difference right now as the player base seems pretty small, but if the game grows back to its previous numbers, some matchmaking system would be needed as well for the sake of new players having a chance to properly learn pvp

[broken rapids]

ad: Current state is totally wrong, thats what everyone should agree (if is mental health is right)..

So many fullBis ppl in normal games, almost nobody in HR... so if we get:
Normals =

• 0-Epic(maybe rare? that one was rly good few months ago)
• Epic-Infinite entry

HR = SSF.

This will solve this current issue that we have rn

Sadly min maxing market items is slightly problem, Im not saying its bad, everyone can do it. But I can feel the pain, when I meet someone with random items in slots and I got correct build.

[split bolt]

I agree, I wonder what would be the benefit of the epic-infinite normal - considering the player numbers now I think itd be better to get the 0-epic and HR only to keep the HR lobbies more populated

[broken rapids]

Well Epic items are decent sometimes more than Lege/uniques(re-geming is expensive and you dont have so many good rolls on it anyway). Only artifacts Overshine with their passives, so there is not much difference.

My main idea is to have one SSF mode, no matter what is on other mode to be honest. (I always rly enjoy most first 2 weeks cuz of ssf i guess)

[split bolt]

Yea, I think this could be an argument for squire only - bcs item rarity wont prevent from somebody rocking the best possible stats for the given rarity of gear - but also IM cant afford splitting the player base across different modes rn

[broken rapids]

To be fair, we cant have anything like this right now. Im so sad the player count is so much low. I hope they heal the game right way and then we could get something like this.

[split bolt]

Honestly, seeing how community is talking about the game, the main thing IM should focus on now is actually making players believe in the game again - maybe some public statements, ask for direct feedback about certain things that the community is divided on - such as fog, ring, norm x HR, arena, etc.

I havent played in a long time before coming back but I feel like IM changed so many things and unfortunatently not the small ones but even the CORE mechanics that the game became unstable for the players

Some roadmap or a plan would be really nice, so the players know what to expect from the devs in the following months/ a year

Maybe some live Q&A with the bigger content creators, maybe try to reach out to some of those who have left already

One important thing for the feedback would be also discerning the lvl of players responding so there wouldnt be feedback only from the low or high-end players bcs those groups usually have different needs

And ofcourse implement the feedback in some way - they're still the devs and they have better idea on what some of the ideas might bring bcs they probably tried them

[fossil fossil]

I know what module i am in 90% of the time regardless of fog of war. That means loot locations, mob spawns and hiding spots. Thats because I have them memorized. Now, if the modules were more fragmented and "randomized" It would be a different story. Its not hard to recognize 25 different rooms. It is harder to memorize 100+ presets that shift around every game.

[split bolt]

Do you mean like fragmenting the rooms themselves or just how they connect to one another?

[fossil fossil]

both

it makes map memorization less of an issue. pair that with fog of war and you have a winner

[split bolt]

Honestly I am not against map memorization - to me it's another layer of skill in the game

• i feel like poor handling of room fragmentation can lead to buggy places or unfair layouts for certain classes, probably ranged classes could struggle quite a bit

Ofcourse they could put a lot of work into it to make it work but I personally think itd be a lot of effort for not much of a result

[fossil fossil]

Beware then.

[split bolt]

I personally prefer not removing certain skill expressions in order to limit some advantages but rather adjust matchmaking so the players of simillar skill lvl are paired together

I've seen in several games - Sea of Thieves is one example I can think of right away, where people really didnt like when devs removed some things players could do in order to limit experienced players having the upper hand

Also I am not a fan of randomizing current content as a way of making new content - it can feel fresh for a while but soon it will become repetetive as well

[patent mauve]

Change normals to self found minted and "looted" gear only, handled gear isn't allowed. Let high roller be the mode where you purchase your BIS and normals be where you use what you find in the dungeon, bring goblin recovery in normals back for minted gear only at 2x scrap cost.

[icy knot]

Isn't Dark and Darker missing something fundamental at its core?

In Peak, you climb upward to find safety away from the fog.
In Dark and Darker, you simply spawn and look for an extract.

I know the two games are different, but after the removal of the circle and the addition of static extracts, the tension is gone. I’m not saying the circle should come back, but something else needs to be tried. Devs should rethink why the fog in Peak works, while the circle in their game does not. Overall the design has shifted heavily toward PvP, leaving casual players stuck in PvE mode.

[broken rapids]

All veteran players should go in their mind back in the days, what they made them have fun, dopamine rush at their begginings... Scared, crawling in dungeon.. thats what new players love, fo real.. all veterans, should think about this, dont just rush to fight new players, timmys who log PvP mode and accept what should be OK for the game itself..
This game is a freakin Dungeon Crawl game, not fullsweat PVP rush at all cost.
(Also me as PvP oriented player, I fully understand this and I enjoy every freaking Friendly encounter even after 1200 hours in the game.)

[icy knot]

Where’s the hardship in escaping the dungeon if a player can spawn in a module with an extract?
Where’s the sense of exploration when you already know where everything in on the map?

[uneven rain]

https://youtu.be/a82ocK4LRTY?si=ZvdglGcggwXuU-q5

[brisk junco]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto fire everyone and quit find people capable of actually improving the game that can deliver small nerfs and buffs consistently

[cosmic crypt]

Delete Chests in Arena

[icy knot]

If dungeon was the real enemy and there was no PVP, wouldn't this game be an inverted PEAK? Instead of going up you are going down?

Think about it

[patent mauve]

It would still be PvP, because I'd mob dump my teammates

[thorn hatch]

remove longsword from casters

[near elbow]

[fleet pagoda]

Allow people to drag bodies around with a 75% movement speed reduction lol

Also make Cleric's resurrection have bodies that you can res Glow before you cast

[crude girder]

karma/teamkill banning system needs serious work.

A hypothetical:

I am a new player. I hear this game has magical combat, I want to try it out!
I set up my sorcerer.
First game, my random fill teammate runs into my wall of fire after it is established, dies, and I get a short ban.
Second game, my teammate stands between the elemental I summoned and the skeleton he's attacking, ban.
Third game, my teammate ends up in the landing spot of my electric dash after I cast it. ban
Fourth game, flamestrike goes down, teammate walks into the spout of fire after it is established, ban
Fifth game, it's the lightning storm that you cast over the entire enemy team, while your teammate doesnt peel off the barbarian who is taking his health away in thirds, instead opting to push towards the barb and the established storm, which kills him. ban
Sixth game, frost lightning snaps and hits the teammate you were trying to save, ban

repeat over a week or two of wipe

My name is now red. I can be attacked without consequence by my own team. when they decide to attack, I don't want to lose my hard earned gear so I fight back and win. ban

bans get longer every time you are banned. at a certain point my own bans reached extreme lengths (several hours)

if you want to find places you are losing players this would be one of them.