#suggestion-discussion

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hollow orbit
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No rank and skill, that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about the option for newbies to try HR content. To gather in HR, you need to sprinkle gold about a thousand, and you only go to 225GS+ with zero attributes, and overgeard players with sets for 10k+ just kill everybody by stats, what skill are we talking about. My suggestion is exactly that people who want to learn HR and learn how to clean first stay in their sablobbies. They will still die a lot and will only rise in ranks when they start to get good at something. At least they won't be killed in the first room by 400+, 600+ GS killers of entire lobbies.

karmic fractal
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They’ve already said their mm system tries to match similar gs players and the range will expand over time if not enough players are found. Does that solve the problem you’re trying to solve?

hollow orbit
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Only partially. The question of knowing the game is still in no way resolved. A conditional neophyte who has just started to go to HR and gain rank in the dungeon, will not be able to compete with a person who has already pumped his skills in HR. A highly ranked player knows how to clean most rooms, where and how to abuse mobs. I think that newcomers need a little more space to learn.

dense sand
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idk if this is your first EA game by a indie dev team, but you need to temper your expectations with a bit of reality

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the pre game lobby is nothing but a boon for teamers and other bad actors, can't wait for its removal

naive viper
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is matchmaking change applicable to high rollers?

high heart
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still down?

ripe turtle
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Ironmace please! Surely our beloved Bard can actually play other music at the tavern than that regular lobby music all the time.

wide tiger
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can i get clarification on an issue hitting a warlock with cut throat and phantomize

tight veldt
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Bring back 124 lobbies and training dummys

frozen karma
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Suggestion:

Remove rewards page (why give away free gear?) and make quest actually give you usable items for your class that your playing on.

grave stirrup
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wonder what level sdf got to on his druid this season, cuz still no changes

dense sand
graceful frost
dense sand
brittle dock
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I am so proud of this game, amazing game 10/10 update

late harbor
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Lobbys are empty since the match making change... please revert it

wet apex
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loadouts for squire?

crude hill
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Team killers shouldn't be punished as cheaters. First friendly fire is a game mechanic and a RPG feature. Second you can punish them but with the same logic of RPG Worlds not by Admin Rights. Imagine if the Dungeon Master kicks me out of the game because i murder one of my Teammates.

arctic hound
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Agreed 100%. I enjoy Druid alot but there is almost 0 gear progression for a caster druid. All you can do is stack vigor and agility.

Honestly first time on this discord in a month, haven't played in awhile due to 0 scaling. I want to play Druid healer but there is no progression; just kinda boring running dungeons as a druid because I'll never find any treasure that improves my healing.

Druid also needs more offensive spells that scale so we can make use of the perks that buff spellcasting and play a traditional D&D caster druid if we wish.

TLDR: I don't want to play feral druid, give druid more offensive spells and heal scaling.

median mural
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  1. Remove gear score and level requirements in HR. Forcing me to play normals when I can easily do HR feels bad
  2. Limit Normals to 124 gearscore max. This forces all juicers into HR and solves the issue with people not bringing in gear to HR.
onyx lotus
vocal siren
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Add a Low Roller for newer plays to learn. Make it a 3x3 map thats PVE only and drops no to very little loot. Newer players can learn the PVE without getting stomped and Normal and HR lobbies will have more players willing to PVP. As much I love stomping timmies it isnt healthy for the game. If we want more players we need better onboarding for new players

indigo kindle
onyx lotus
vocal siren
daring trail
vocal siren
daring trail
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but a new player wont "get good" at the pvp, if you throw them into pve only lobbies

vocal siren
daring trail
vocal siren
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As long as there are veterans hunting new players this game will struggle getting new players. My suggestion isnt perfect but if you have a better idea for new player onboarded that cant be abused by smurfing then id love to hear it

daring trail
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let them test out their matchmaking first.
the only reason there is less players on right now is because its late into the wipe, and we're less than a month away from a new season.

vocal siren
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Even if they added SBMM smurfs would still make new accounts just to roll on new players. Im not saying make a PVE mode and let people get all the loot they want. Im saying to make it with no loot so its a glorified training hall

daring trail
vocal siren
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No cause a training hall would be dummies only

daring trail
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depends whatever the devs decided. in my perfect world in that lobby youd be able to spawn all the basic mobs

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i think itd be great just to be able to test your kits and damage, but would be great for new players to learn basic skeletons/goblins

ionic hollow
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2/2 matchmaking lobbies threw me in with 1 teammate in Trios.
Shouldnt it find 3 people, then queue them not the other way around?

dense sand
fathom wyvern
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Again posting that imo rogue 0 noise footsteps should be removed or changed to reduced. Dying without even being able to use your kit is the worst
not to mention -500ap because if a rogue is patient enough and just crouch walks the entire way its a guaranteed kill

stiff pike
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why did they nerf halberd 💀 no one was using that trash but still was fun to use

frail wraith
fathom wyvern
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Should lose less AP dying to PVP, unbalanced battles when im stressed about loosing 500ap on top of trying to win the fight while they couldnt care less is pretty lame

gaunt iron
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if you enter a matchmaking match, it should automatically turn on your voice chat and not let you turn it off, because people typing "how do i turn on voice chat" is lame af after you already on the map

dense sand
wicked grove
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twice in a row i have finished a highroller just to have game say it was terminated abnormally and not count the points

granite plinth
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keep the skelly tokens and vendor, could make things more interesting if it was a normal vendor to get good gear for HR

hot sable
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BAD GEAR CHANGE. NEED MID TIER 125

lavish apex
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Ironmace i know you hardly check the chat at all but here is my suggestion on the gearscore sytem and what you should do with it. I have played since the second playtest so before i start getting shit from the little juicers in here I know how to play the game. The gear score brackets are a good idea especially for new players i had alot of friends join the game recently. Gear score brackets shoule be brought back but with some changes. Normals lobbies: 0-24, 25-124, 124-224 caps at 224 anything higher goes to high roller incentivizing high roller for more high level play . High roller lobbies: 150 gold any gearscore for people who want to zero to hero but makes it more challenging making there be a skill gap and more planning knowing what you are getting into High risk high reward. Making normals better for the newer players and experienced players playing and bringing more good fun pvp fights to each other.

vocal siren
crude hill
graceful frost
sullen heart
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You ruined the game big time with this new matchmaking, change it back and fire whoever made this decision

jolly leaf
lavish apex
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They truly dont read like any of these channels since ea

jolly leaf
lavish apex
jolly leaf
sullen heart
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It's literally unplayable unless you run bis. We're talking about norms here, why ruin norms? Do this garbage in HR. Now, the only queues are <25gs or HR as far as i'm concerned

jolly leaf
# sullen heart Just loaded into a game with 248gs max on my team, there was 2 entire squads jus...

Yes? Nothing new compared to the old matchmaking so far.

What server are you playing on and what time is it for you? They've said that on non peak hour you could be matched with people with more or less GS. Again let them time to adjust it only have been a few hour.

Also the game have season, that last like 3 month on top of that. The game is in Early I know it can be frustrating to lose a kit to a bug or a update but you'll have plenty of time to grind again and use your stuff and gold

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I feel like people ask for revert/removal of new content way too fast or over anger because they lose a few game. They didn't even let the time to learn or adapt to the update (Not you specifically)

sullen heart
jolly leaf
# sullen heart Dude, just stop. You don't need to be killing 26gs player with 500gs kits, just ...

You said 248gs vs 400. That used to be like that with old system. But anyway I agree with you and I used to ask for more gs bracket too.

The idea behind this new system is good, they try to match you with people who have the same gear level. If they can't do that fast enough then they extend the range of GS etc etc. Maybe they should give you the option to wait as long as you want if you want to be matched only with people with similar gearscore or things like that but again that might be what they're going to do, the update was only a few hour ago. Give them time, suggest thing don't just ask for it to be removed and fire the guy who got the idea that's not very smart

jolly leaf
# sullen heart Dude, just stop. You don't need to be killing 26gs player with 500gs kits, just ...

Imo what could have been done is : reduce the map rotation timer to like 1 minute. Everyone who want to play the current map join the queue and when the 1 min are done the game look at how many player have clicked on ready, create as many lobby as needed and randomly split people/group in those lobby.

That would allow to prevent pre teaming more easily and have a large pool of player (as you can choose between all the player who have joined within one min, nit just few sec) to create balanced lobby. 1 min max of waiting seems fair and even if you miss your map you only have 3 min to wait for it to come back. Imo people prefer balanced lobby over fast matchmaking

sullen heart
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Game's unplayable with this change, I was wondering how dungeonborne has even gotten popular and I see now it's just constant changes like this that ruin the game for people 1 way or another. I never thought I'd ever download that game but these devs just don't want me to play

red kite
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Love queueing up for trios just to not get a team and end up getting ganked
REMOVE THE MAP ROTATION SYSTEM

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How many more hours of our lives are we going to have to spend staring at the counter to get the game we want?

tulip oxide
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PLEASE ADD DIF SOUNDS PER BOW TYPE TY

hasty oasis
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Suggestion: An easier way to add players you've met in matchmaking to friends list or just re-queue in general.

This new matchmaking system is a ton of fun as it's faster than going to the gathering hall and requires less discussion about what parties people are look for. I would like to be able to add players after a game, like how the Karma system works. I've mostly played DnD solo but duo's and trio's can be more fun if only the social aspects were better! I've met a couple folks I doubt I'll ever meet again because I didn't know their account name.

dreamy island
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Do they read this channel? the whole "natural teaming is allowed concept" is ruining this game. Whether someone coordinates over discord or as soon as they spawn over voip doesn't make a difference when it is this rampant in every match. I don't understand why they don't just disable VOIP in solos and actually punish it. Suggestion: disable voip in solos; ban teamers in all circumstances.

crude hill
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We need taxes on large fortunes. Players stacking gold and gear are a problem for the whole economy and experience of the game. Rare items have less value if i can buy anything i want all runs.

crude hill
crude hill
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Being able to recover too fast trivializes death.

covert inlet
crude hill
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Make Dungeon entry price scale with your gold and be carefull of the posible ways to evade it.

hasty oasis
# crude hill There is a last game players section, isn't It?

I don’t think you can view a player’s account name when looking at the “last game players” section. However, I recognize I’m on steam and may not know my way to it if there is a different section. I believe, as far as I am aware, the player’s account name is needed to add them so their character’s name doesn’t help, which is what is shown in that tab.

blazing bough
blazing bough
spark crest
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Allow warlock use crossbowthis

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
red kite
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It's a flawed system that barely helped when player count was low, and now it's just a useless feature that wastes everybody's time

jolly leaf
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And that way even if you miss the map you want you have only 3 min to wait

red kite
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Or you could just remove the rotation bruh

twin stream
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are they gonna add a premade loadout system because im getting carpel tunnel and parkinsons trying to buy bandages and trading as quickly as I can

slow arch
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devs are so dumb get rid of map rotate go back to hr being 100$ or make gear score score 125 and scrap this gear score in normals shit maybe just keep base kit do they not want to on board people to play hr they just coddling the shitters atm that or they trying to keep the ftp players happy

crude hill
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Merchants should have limited Stock and Gold with a week restock cooldown. And Dungeons should have progressively less loot if there is overexplotation in a specific map, the map recovers with the time (more natural map rotation).

jolly leaf
red kite
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We already have empty lobbies because of the rotation

jolly leaf
red kite
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Getting rid of matchmaking lobbies is a step in the right direction, it's one loading screen we no longer have to sit through. Now they just have to get rid of the rotation and the game's massive downtime will be diminished

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Right now we are waiting 6 minutes for rotation, 3 minutes in an empty lobby, plus 1 minute of load times. Which doesn't sound bad until you've done it a hundred times

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Even worse when you have a quest to kill something in the inferno/abyss, add another 10 minutes of camping an extraction and you've got 20 minutes of downtime before you can even attempt to finish the quest

jolly leaf
red kite
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Also about the lobbies being "balanced," you're going to run into players with hundreds of hours in every bracket and being equal in gear score isn't going to help you

jolly leaf
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I don't think the perfect world were we remove all map rotation and waiting time and still have balanced lobby while being able to avoid pre teaming exist. Imo we need to make some compromise and I think people would be agree to wait 1 minute max to get a lobby with player, and around their gearscore

jolly leaf
red kite
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The matchmaking timer is inevitable, and 3 minutes is tolerable. My only issue is the asinine rotation that's no longer needed

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Would you rather stare at the screen for 6 minutes waiting for the map you want, then wait 3 minutes to matchmake, or just wait 3 minutes?

jolly leaf
red kite
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Yes, because we have to wait 2-3 minutes regardless lol

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The rotation system isn't filling up dead lobbies

jolly leaf
red kite
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Could be improved, but it's better than what we currently have

jolly leaf
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Unfortunately with more player on the test server we could run test but they can't gather enough data so imo we should try to improve the system they made before removing it directly after they add it

red kite
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I'm surprised we have players in the test server at all, I uninstalled Blacksmith the minute it was back on Steam KEKW

meager jasper
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I'm surprised they reverted the 124 thing, tbh the matchmaking was totally fine in normals.

I still generally think HR doesn't really work the way they have it. The HR grind is fundamentally at odds with what they want HR to be - a place where you go in with your best gear and risk it. I'd much rather it was one or the other, but if you remove the HR grind it becomes incredibly obvious HR doesn't have much to offer because the cost of entry is too high.

red kite
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The amount of players I see in HR carrying blue junk in their inventory just to spike their gs is hilarious

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
meager jasper
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True. I'm EU so I've not idea what the context was like for other servers. Still seems really quick to just revert it unless there was something seriously wrong, and I didn't really get that impression.

sullen heart
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Looks like Ironmace learned in record time that removing <125 was the dumbest thing they've done recently. Thank god. Good job Ironmace, lets give credit when it's due, it didn't take them too long to realize how badly they messed up.

simple sand
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id:guide is the lich hr only now?

I get 90% Warlord and 10% Ghost King in normals..

sullen heart
sonic bone
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i feel like people dont like talking much in random what do you guy feel like about having a ping system

jolly leaf
proven valley
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Please partner with some streamers/high ranked players to assist in balance changes until you hire a team for it.
You guys are working so hard developing the game that you aren't getting enough time playing it at all skill levels to balance properly. I know someone wanted to wait until arena for balance, changes, but my god it's been so bad this entire wipe.

At the start of wipe we had an entire month of cleric + druid being disgusting. Near the end of that time and a little passed it, rogue got crazy buffs and was disgusting and nerfed 2 weeks later. Warlock was the next problem and that had to be nerfed as well.
Then we had 1 week of peace before this barb/wizard meta that happened because of unnecessary buffs.

Or you could buff all the classes to be on par with wiz/barb rn instead of nerfing them

spare garden
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get rid of the shitty map rotations

bleak apex
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So...splash damage from fireball kills a one health teammate who played the fight horribly. We go back to tavern, and I can't queue for 320 seconds because he decided to hit the report button after dying to splash and misplaying horribly. According to the announcment that time continues to get longer the more people report you for teamkilling. Now as a Wizard, if I keep getting randoms that walk into the fireball, or die to something like splash (already at one hp), then I just continue to get punished more and more? I understand that systems will be abused when they are meant to do good but there needs to be an appeal system.

long dawn
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Remove the gear score requirement for high roller, it's not helping anything.

hallow ruin
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Please, please, please...add automatic cancellation of matching if random mate is not found. Thank you.

stiff salmon
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Hey IM, i recommend fixing this BS abnormal termination...

meager jasper
sturdy forge
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@red kite i do that, do what ya gotta do

sturdy forge
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cemetery map with swamps, marshlands

proven valley
# meager jasper Terrible takes. There's never going to be a meta you like until your special cla...

SDF stated in his interview with Jay that he no longer has time to compete in HR and therefore doesn't know the true meta or balance at higher levels. He also stated that they don't have a true balance team and need to work on that.

The only questionable part of my opinion is that I think they should prioritize it more.

The game was in a better state before the wiz/barb buffs at geared level of play. Wizard has been weak without gear for a long time, and this fixed that, but made it stupid with gear.

dense sand
amber girder
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BUFF DRUID.

gaunt cedar
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I think breakthrough should work against ice mastery just like iron will works against forcefull shot

buoyant zodiac
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Let us crush spiders mummy by jumping on them please

sturdy forge
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allow wizard to control the light orb to be able to use it as a scouting tool for other rooms

hardy vector
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ban all teaming in HR

coral heron
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Go back to old matchmaking system, new one sucks...

dull sinew
jolly leaf
median mural
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Make 'Normals' the Timmy lobby. Max GS in normals set to 124. No brackets.

Make 'High Roller' where the more experienced people go. Make it cost 250g to join, have no gear score or level requirements and grant the highest rank you've achieved in the season. If someone gets demigod, then grant them the reward even if they de-rank. No brackets

jolly leaf
# median mural Make 'Normals' the Timmy lobby. Max GS in normals set to 124. No brackets. Make...

I feel like that would be horrible for a huge part of the playerbase, every people who want to play better than green gear but don't have the skill or time to farm/buy decent kit would just get stomp as they'll end up in the same lobby than the people who are or try to reach demi god. I think there is things to try with this New matchmaking system, I don't see any good in simply removing stuff like bracket or map rotation timer. We already tried that in the past and it's not that easy

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Imo the idea behind this new matchmaking system is good. They just need to ajust and balance it. I suggest something like that #suggestion-discussion message

median mural
fallow scaffold
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could we suggest a movement like for example a teleport that you hold to pick a distance then charge and then teleport to your destination kinda like reaper from overwatch but with less verticality as double jump suffices in that aspect

sturdy forge
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soul hearts should be able to be looted like anything else in the game, its your teams responsibility to fight for your soul heart man….if not its stolen for extra AP gains (in HRs, being more prevalent PvP) and in norms for meds/basic green rewards from the collector

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have a keybind in stash to allow automatic stacking of items, if items are stackable…pots/knives

frank rune
fathom wyvern
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Hope eventually the no helmet races get buffed because I dont know the stats but id imagine they dont compete as well at higher gear scores

mild lion
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Just want to plug once more that merchant reputation should be account-wide.

jolly leaf
mild lion
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Also, before bed I want to complain about not getting my Aragorn ranger fantasy. Tired of rangers in games being bows bows bows bows, when the most iconic ranger of all time had more kills with a longsword than anything else.

scenic crown
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Lower High roller gear score requirements just use gold

slow arch
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fix this ms meta shit

ripe turtle
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but it would be great to have daily and weekly quests along with story chapters in Dark and Darker. Dailies give basic, useful items, weeklies maybe give a rare item and maybe the last weekly challenge gives skins. As for the story chapters, I would love to know more about the lore of Dark and Darker. We have a "missing daughter" questline, tavern master's got a dark secret, armourer used to be an adventurer like us, but the took an....nvm. Anyhow, give us storytimes Ironmace!

crude hill
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What do you think about a little stun when jumping from high places, just for heavy armor

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Maybe not a stun but a big slow

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Maybe make it scale with your movement speed

jolly leaf
frank rune
graceful frost
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Bro no

placid kettle
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Add Linux Chat:D

coral heron
granite harbor
bright island
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please show player count on match start so i dont waste my time

granite harbor
potent kiln
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i get a message with " Failed to update to TavernComn.dll Access denied to the local file.(code: 1102). Any idea how to fix it?

hallow ruin
blissful nest
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Guys how do I report a glitch in game?

gloomy inlet
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Shouldn’t warlocks be able to phantomize through thorn barriers because they’re physical not magical?

onyx citrus
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Remove ranger traps and buff other stats or perks

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They are pointless for trio gameplay and solos is just boring when a ranger plays with traps, it doesn't display and skill.

graceful frost
indigo tree
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A drag and drop option for spell priority list. I'm soooo tired of having to re-equip all my songs in order on 10 song bard when I just want to swap one song out if i"m running a build without enough default knowledge

winged willow
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Huh

amber girder
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Its so annoying that you need to create a new name for every character. Why not using one for all?

sick heart
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Remove void behind player spawn in death pit on ice abyss. Its a strange game mechanic to load in and back away from mobs to fall to your death and for that to be how you learn. The mechanic here is learn by dying instantly after spawn and its a bad one. I totally think dying to the void is fine with jumping obstacles or areas not right behind player spawn but this is absurd. I love that the game is unforgiving but this just isnt fun at all.

abstract dirge
sick heart
abstract dirge
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also, what I asked was, are you gonna make that mistake again? I think you answered it indirectly though. Gl next

sick heart
jagged cargo
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Keep the Chinese cheaters away from the West coast

warm helm
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Cap gear score in normals at 224. 225+ gearscore should be High roller only

indigo tree
warm helm
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@indigo tree the free to play review bombers have all since quit the game. I am sure iornmace can see the amount of Squire accounts that consistently play 225+ to determine if this is an option. Having 3 separate queues for normals alone is not sustainable

indigo tree
tribal belfry
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Instead of having no prelobby can we have the goblin cave jail model as the pre lobby so you can kinda see what team comps your going to go up against but can’t see their gear but each cell has a test dummy so you can test dmg

lone finch
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the matchmaking is so ass thats crazy i had 250 gearscore i got a random teammate with 120 gearscore

strange hatch
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idk if i would only be the one having fun with this, but i think a Random build button in the squire would be really nice, Like random everything weapons, gear, untity. Ive been doing it on my own but it would be nice to have an in game feature

small ibex
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Take the spell casting penalty off of demon armor. PDR is already slow

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Also make it a requirement to have at least half of your health as a druid if you want to turn into a mouse.

fathom wyvern
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Revival in random queues needs way more incentive, someone who doesnt care will just not res even if they are next to a shrine and after you wasted half of the dungeon clearing and going out of your way to res them. Could be worded better but you get what I mean

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Especially if you have a quest item they need on your body

jolly leaf
sick chasm
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FIX LADDERS

sturdy forge
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allow torches to have tier of levels also…meaning possible for further radius of vision you are able to see

dusky ingot
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in dnd bards can use long swords, add longsword to bard

maiden prairie
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pls fix ladders

sturdy forge
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allow purchased inventory slots in stash to be named to categorize whats items are in which slots of our inventory….also allow items to be flagged to be either used in HR or norms

kind cloud
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Could do with silver (divine) arrows 😉

void crag
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could you guys make the tavern like the hideout in Tarkov. you can level things up in it, have the dummy to test out weapons and skills.

reef olive
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A couple things my playgroup and I have chatted about:

Training area:
-Somewhere you can load into for a private matchup to spar/duel with stock enemies and dummies to damage test, build test and more. Similar to sort of what Warframe has with their Simulacrum room. But obviously more, stylized for this.
(Personally I think Warhammer Darktide's training room is more fitting)

Ice Caverns/abyss
FROSTBITE IS TOO STRONG
lowering the debuff's potency or even it's ability to triple apply has killed my team dozens of times purely because they cannot physically run away fast enough, weapons stowed and all

For Abyss:
Not enough exits. Functionallu there's only 8 people who can leave abyss. This causes team in fighting in anything above Duo's and is negative to the impact of an otherwise awesome map

That being said it was also brought up Rope escapes are the functionally worst escape route.
You can die when using them, they take forever to actually use as an escape, and their one time uses. A few ideas we had:
-Make them come back after 2-3minutes.
Similar to statues giving them the ability to be somewhat played around to make them much more viable for allowing teams to full escapes
-Damage while on ropes
When you get on a rope you are unable to do anything against whatever may try to cause you home on the way out, the snow and hail falling in, or even archers trying to take you out before you get away, intense situations like at the ends of a map match where you didn't have time to clear the room and you're just trying to get away, not being able to secure yourself and get away safely except by pure luck is not great to have to worry about

Multi person use:
Similar to the situation above, my teammate and I were left for the choice between him and I to escape using the last rope in the level, however we both ended up using it at the same time and the animation played on our screen as if we were both on the rope, our trio who is spectating said that neither of us were on the road and instead we were both at the base, but on our screens we were rising towards the top, unfortunately we did not extract because time ran out and killed us at 10 seconds, which is a little bit ridiculous because even with the bugs and the cave collapse on Galvin caves, you still get those 10 seconds to escape whereas in the ice maps you do not, maybe this needs a change or maybe the timer extended in a way

reef olive
fathom wyvern
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For F***KS sake please remove putting quest rewards in your in your inventory. Nothing makes you want to quit for the night like losing legendary rewards queuing into what you thought was under 25 with no heals or any gear

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Genuinely one of the most frustrating things ive dealt with in this game since 2022

raw jolt
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the squire says about what gs your going into no?

undone pecan
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how can a green and blue wizard stacking nothing BIS fck over a 190 hp barbarian with Iron will with 3 fckcing zaps. IRONMACE I love you but cmon this class is way too overtuned. If you dont wanna nerf it fine BUFF gear with some Magic resist then. balance the dam field abit.

jolly leaf
# reef olive A couple things my playgroup and I have chatted about: Training area: -Somewher...

Training area : That's planned. Not sure how it will be probably only dummy and pvp no training on monster.

Frostbite : It is indeed a strong debuff but imo it's not a bad thing. Goblin have the poison, Ice skeleton have frostbite, maybe 2 stack would be enough tho. (And maybe add a equivalent to crypt monster?)

For Abyss : There is less exit on purpose as Abyss was think to be a place where player will help each other fighting the Wyvern. When the wyvern die an exit that everyone can take and have Infinite use appear. But unfortunately people are too PvP focused and can't manage to help each other for specific objective like the wyvern leading in abyss having less exit than Hell

Rope : agree that they should come back, and maybe go up a little faster

tiny wigeon
# reef olive A couple things my playgroup and I have chatted about: Training area: -Somewher...

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

tiny wigeon
worldly fern
tiny wigeon
next prism
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Give at least 1 another head piece for slayer pls

tiny wigeon
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The amount of ppl that come here and just drop a suggestion...
This isnt the channel for it, your energy is being wasted, they dont read this channel. This channel is to talk about the suggestions posted on the website. No dev is reading this.
Read the pinned messages on this channel, and either go and post on the correct place, or save ur energy and stop posting here. You either wanna help and u should spend 5 minutes posting it on the website, or dont. But "throwing" your random suggestion in here, does nothing.

covert flume
reef olive
reef olive
# jolly leaf Training area : That's planned. Not sure how it will be probably only dummy and ...

Absolutely good points
I hope the training area turns out well

Frostbite coming into two stacks is good instead of three, because at least then you can still get away which is my main qualm. B
Gobby cave poison though, ugh, it feels like it hits way too hard.
Maybe something in crypt can be like broken armor? Like a little debuff that makes you hurt more?
Not much I can think of considering we have a slow and a poison already.

Abyss: the team fight thing came up in discussion and I honestly think that instead of adding more escape, adding a larger incentive to work together in the Abyss maybe?
I often use the "None of have the space or time to fight so let's get out together." Statement to try and avoid pvp but people are just having more incentive to player hunt than play PvE.
Nothing wrong with it, it's a PvPvE game so. It is annoying though that doing stuff like that is maliciously screwing people over for loot you won't even take home.

Rope: I don't think that's a big ask honestly. Either letting them return, move faster, and even (and idk if this was. A glitch) if your team coordinated to ALL grab on at the same time you can all pull out

clever flicker
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Bards should be able to use Bardiches

Even beyond the joke, polearm bard would be neat

daring trail
fathom wyvern
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Put a cooldown on druid transforming or each animal itself because a druid good at evading can just troll for as long as they want pretty much ruining that run usually. And then in the middle of all the 3 rooms of pve they drew to you they can just bear form out of nowhere and 2 shot you after youre low from mobs you cant get around

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Zero drawback on infinite transforming is way too strong

sturdy forge
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allow shift + double right mouse click to select multiples of same item to be moved to stash from player inventory

deep surge
errant totem
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auto fill should group us in the main menu instead of just blindly placing all of us together in the dungeon. i'd like to see my teammates gearscore at least

graceful frost
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not sure how they griefing xD

stiff pike
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Brasil trios matchmaking its broken, no more than 2 squads at once

stiff pike
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nah its always full

graceful frost
stiff pike
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1 pvp in 2 days of playing

sinful thicket
stiff pike
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yeah duos are normal, only trios broken

cerulean pollen
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whats the best place to post feedback, suggestions or discussion for D&D? would it be reddit? this channel?

analog fossil
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hey guys, im gonna get straight to my point, its really annoying to look for one specific boss of the 3 crypts bosses it would be really nice if there was a mechanic to show before match who is in the boss room (like a small note that says lich or warlord or ghost king whatever will be spawning) , because you have to play 12:30 to even be able to peek in the boss room and then there is a 1/3 propability that it was all for nothing, my trio has been trying to kill the lich but out of 12 runs we only saw him once, this feels really unsatisfying for the player base, at least thats what i feel and also heard from my fellow gamers

limpid valve
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I wonder if rogue would be in a better spot if hide was nerfed but their MAX move speed was buffed to say ~340 Ms, that way they would be less dependent on invis to do things that other classes don't do better, because at current theres little reason to play rogue without hide

jolly leaf
sturdy forge
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with more and more occurrences of team killing those players should be spawned in nothing but team killer lobbies

sinful thicket
sturdy forge
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then why did i just experience it?

sinful thicket
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Maybe someone who didnt know he couldn't get your items? or one that doesnt know you can flag him as a team killer and he will receive a temp ban for queuing?

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like you are probably 1 of the MAX 10 cases a day this happens its so rare

sturdy forge
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well arent i just a peach then

jolly leaf
jovial tinsel
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Rogue fucking sucks, fix it

sonic bone
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will there be map to practice since we can use dummy in pregame to test dmg anymore
it would be nice if we can spawn every mob ingame in practice map to learn hitbox and parry thing

small ibex
upbeat wagon
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Druids need shapeshift charges with instant shapeshift perk on. resting at campfire recharges them.
infinite charges without instant shapeshift.

imo.

fathom kestrel
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at the top of the market place please add a row across the top of items you have recently searched for

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it would speed up rekitting by 75% only having to re add the rolls you want and keep people in lobbies and actually playing the game

ionic hollow
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What a joke. I matchmake with trolls and afk people. People that dont have mics or even know how not to die. People that have no idea about how to work as a team. Yeh i dont get to give them a Karma report when there is literally a Bad Karma worthy person in every other match. Absolutely bogus matchmaking and bogus karma system.

sacred osprey
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HR needs to be balnced better.... nothing like being out geared significantly ....

sinful thicket
ionic hollow
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short sword is a meme weapon. even longsword you swing it like its 40 llbs. crazy

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
meager jasper
upbeat wagon
strange hatch
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make the regular cross bow and windlass more useable

strange hatch
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im back again to say give us a common cape!

granite harbor
somber elk
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make the game great pls developer

bronze hawk
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Make it to where Caltrops don't disappear. Hunting traps don't disappear over time, why should Caltrops?

winter cedar
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People always wonder what happens if you run all magical healing or max armor pen etc. But don't have the gold to spend to do it. A test map would solve this with unlimited access to any roll item you want to test your build on dummies, mobs, etc. This would improve the fun experience for people who want to try something new, instead of throwing budget kits together, rather than allowing you to see what works with your price range in a test/practice map

ripe turtle
fathom wyvern
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Remove the room where goblins spawn and always kill themselves on that trap. Just lost a kit and 500ap because I 2 shot one nightmare goblin archer and went to 2 shot the other thinking It would be ok especially since it just walked onto a trap coming towards me and is on it- took 3 shots to the head, ran away then it 3 shot combo'd me to death. Wish I picked one of the cheese classes to farm ap. Its so punishing playing a normal one every time you lose ap

graceful frost
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Lmao

ripe turtle
meager oasis
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@dawn grotto @keen onyx Can HR be harder or something please? The fact you can get Demigod without needing to fight a single person is crazy stupid lol...especially for a game that touts being difficult. HR is a joke and too easy to do anything in it. Maybe lower the amount of AP you get from treasure and gear and raise the amount you get from kills the higher in rank you get? Just seems crazy everyone can get the season rewards for not doing anything except killing mobs for a week straight.

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you shouldn't be able to get past Voyager without knowing how to kill players, or even killing them in general

eternal fable
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@dawn grotto Please prioritize fixing the "ESP lag" that everyone has. Its ridiculously dumb that its the meta way of finding enemies. You dont hear them, you detect them with your spider senses 1.5 rooms away, they detect you, and its this weird standoff of free knowledge or someone isnt looking in the right direction and gets snuck up on. This REALLY needs to go. It should be literally the number 1 priority to get rid of this bug ASAP.

sturdy forge
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im surprised you havent made skeleton (healing) mages for skeleton mobs

coral heron
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wiz in every team comp. needs nerf.

sturdy forge
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allow rogues to have a skill that retracts a throwing knife on cooldown after being thrown

faint onyx
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Remove survival bow, its just obnoxious

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Make ale effects stackable so that you cant just guzzle 5 to full hp without losing your vision completely

fathom kestrel
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the worst part of this game is having to re kit and this would speed that process up tremendously

faint onyx
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Saveable skill/spell kits so you can quickly switch between builds

fathom kestrel
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upvote please

sturdy forge
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thats all cosmetic stuff

winter cedar
ionic hollow
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Let me watch the match demo from the beginning so i can know who is wall hacking and who isnt.

acoustic kelp
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How would you feel if players have a chance to drop their items upon taking damage?

woven marsh
tiny wigeon
peak lantern
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remove Ice Cavern

ionic hollow
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is hatchet ever going to be usuable?

robust blade
ripe turtle
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Hmm, making Huntin Trap skill that work like Field Ration skill?

robust blade
strange hatch
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LOWER RARITY CAPE OPTIONS!

jovial tinsel
strange hatch
jovial tinsel
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They have at least 1 stat now. Before they didn’t you are right, but now all items have at least 1 stat on it unless it’s meant to never have a base stat

crude hill
sturdy forge
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lol why tax? thats like what?

zenith nest
crude hill
crude hill
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Can someone elaborate on their answer? This is a discussion channel

lavish spire
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An idea for tackling cheats like aimbots and ESP, etc. How about adding a system that tracks mouse movements to spot unnatural patterns? For instance, if the game detects movements that are too precise and sudden, it could temporarily disable the player’s ability to deal damage or interact with the game world.

When the system identifies suspicious mouse activity, it would restrict the player’s damage and interactions (such as doors or chest) if the player’s movements normalize during that time, the restrictions would be lifted after 10 seconds This approach could help address cheating more effectively instead of having to rely on reports to be manually reviewed.

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Of course, you'd have to code this very carefully as not to have the system false flag players who are extremely accurate or advanced in their movements, but certain elements such as tracking through walls and 100% cross hair precision (never leaving a player target) for extended periods of time or through triggers (walls etc) could easily split the difference of skill and script.

sturdy forge
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@crude hill but what youre saying is youre going to take someones fortune they played mega billi hours for cause you dont have what they have? its that way for a reason….you gotta grind and loot

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@crude hill you bust or go home, basically

lavish spire
sturdy forge
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i busted this morning hard, losing a 700g kit in 225 norms and i only got 400g between 6 characters…but you grind to do it again

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so if i have 400g i can only play with people in my same gold bracket? nah, ima go for the oinkers and try and snag me some loot

crude hill
sturdy forge
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they play HR for that reason, why should they minger amongst the plebs?

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that loot is only in HR

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the game is so volatile why would you risk a unique or bad ass item?

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those people got those resources…we didnt…we cant ask them to give em

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but i really could be wrong and wish to see it in a different light, if someone will

dapper gull
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Taxing is the dumbest suggestion I’ve ever heard of.

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Who cares if people hoard gear. If you punish players for having gear then why even get gear in the first place. Terrible terrible game design if they do that and it will kill the game. Go play dungeonborne.

crude hill
# sturdy forge the game is so volatile why would you risk a unique or bad ass item?

I see a lot of people complaining about unfair duels all the time and asking for a matchmaking where all players have same gear and i hate that. I should be always able to luckily kill a full geared guy and enjoy the dopamine of it. But as the game is right now unfair fights from gear disparity are very common. If players building the perfect character wasn't this frequent, people complaining about this situations wouldn't exist.

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That is why i think buying a full build should be less accessible.

crude hill
crude hill
sturdy forge
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IM is working on it for sure if they tried it already, im sure they already have a couple solutions but why say now? do what makes you happy in the dungeons and dont worry about it, just get the loot when you can, fight when you can and kill when you can, but there are the cheats/teammers/gear diff just make the best of it

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just drink a bunch of luck pots in <25

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i was reading that lol

crude hill
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Because what devs did when players complained about balance is wasting resources in useless balance patches that will become obsolete in the next days, split lobbies between gear layers, split players between solo/duo/trio (game modes that are impossible to balance), ...

crude hill
sturdy forge
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so what im getting in at gear score is how these stats work for our characters…its the stats that needed to be changed…probably not gear score

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thats what drives our decisions for what loot we need for builds and what i should hold onto, gear drives the stats….change the stats

strong cradle
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hello folks, is there only talk about in-game stuff here or support for external stuff as well?

woven marsh
dapper gull
crude hill
# sturdy forge so what im getting in at gear score is how these stats work for our characters…i...

Is too difficult to adjust all stats and find the perfect numbers, i think is even impossible. This game had all to be easy to balance because is not competitive oriented and the randomness of encounters derived from all the unpredictable elements like classes, perks, item, armor, spawns, mobs and more enables the devs to have unbalanced scenarios without big troubles. But instead of work to improve the variety of scenarios they tried to balance and made game more monotonous.

idle dagger
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Can ranger traps please be removed or reworked? How can something so broken and unbalanced still be in the game untouched for so long?

sturdy forge
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@crude hill youre correct, but thats why we have these wipes to see what works and doesnt…it is very hard to say what can be assured to work or be assured to work to an extent. Your feelings now will only be lived until the end of this wipe. Then a whole new one starts which is very exciting. And with that it can be a completely new game, and with the anger/frustration/fury the community has they need to take that into account. Next wipe we get to find more stuff to argue about ::)

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rework the stats is all

crude hill
sturdy forge
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TBH, just fk off with duos, who plays that…keep it trios and solos

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easier to manage cause there are so many solo players and so many trios

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i never Q to duo…i Q to trio or solo

crude hill
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I wouldn't care about solo mode if Sdf didn't have to care about it's balance but it is not the case.

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I only play trios no matter the number of friends i m playing with.

sturdy forge
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balance has to be the main issue of any competitive variance…im happy to see all classes being played lately, i have no friends so i solo…but i trio to throw drums at people

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the main problem is have with solos is weak rogues who just try to poke you with hand crossbow and run like wimps but other that, solos is great

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just take out duos, the devs will find it so much easier

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this game is way to good to lose to DB

crude hill
# sturdy forge just take out duos, the devs will find it so much easier

There will be someone that will disagree with you because they don't want numeric disadvantages, what is reasonable for many games but it shouldn't be the case of dark and darker, the chances to find a trio/solo/duo should be de same for the three of them, having at least 1/3 to have the advantage.

sturdy forge
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well a wolf will chew its own foot off to live, think it like that.

crude hill
sturdy forge
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DB is a weak game….this game is far superior…its depth level/learning curve/risk and reward are greater in DaD….they got the grandiose picture on lock for the game no doubt, but yes its time to refine, refine, refine

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take out duos for arena sounds great….also the implementation of arenas means they wont be working on the dungeons…so it is possible our problems can persist

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i hope arenas isnt plagued by micro transactions

crude hill
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They can use arena to solve one of the biggest problems in the game, the player that only wants to pvp. But i don't have hopes, it will probably bring more complains and balance problems.

sturdy forge
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sure because people who first enter the arena (mostly new players) are gonna complain

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but the pvpers could workout

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but thats another scary thought…can arena become the prevalent game? suddenly the dungeons are literally forgotten

crude hill
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Or people going back only pvp in the dungeon because arena rewards and incentives are not enough.

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Devs shouldn't lose focus in the main game, pvepvp, dungeon crawler, trio based, Dungeons and dragons inspired, extraction game.

sturdy forge
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if any, arena is such a rinse and repeat, how long can that appetite sustain? with dungeons we have lag time that makes us hungry to go back into it, but arenas the only thing is leaderboards….also if theres gear or uniques to be won in arenas they probably shouldnt be able to be used in the dungeons

crude hill
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All update should be in benefit of the main game mode. Arena should make main game mode better not worst.

crude hill
sturdy forge
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i dont think gamba should be a thing, match fixing!

crude hill
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gamba is fun

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i would spend my day gambling in the arena

sturdy forge
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no no no not here, adding gamba would cause match fixing…seen it in other games, that will only cause real world troubles, then when youre out of gold how you gonna get it if you dont wanna play the game?

crude hill
sturdy forge
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spectating im down with for sure, no gamba

crude hill
sturdy forge
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maybe not even spectating now that i think about it, it leaves an unfair advantage for teammers, will only make teaming easier to do

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they wont need to use DaD chat or Voip if they use other platforms

crude hill
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when i say spectate i don't mean lol type of system

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It can be like any other matchmaking. You queue up for a random game mode that lets you spectate. Hiding name tags and blocking text chat.

sturdy forge
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still a lot of grey area

eager oyster
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You know what's worse than getting teamed on by 2 PDR clerics in HR solos? Absolutely nothing.

ionic hollow
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teamed by two rogues who jump on you or two rangers in a big room.

dapper gull
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yuh nerf weapon mastery so they cant just run daggers and bows without any downsides.

kind cloud
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ITEM STACKING:

Bugs shells, smaller than a Torn Wing (which stacks) but the it does not stack.
Mimic Tooth, smaller than a Wolf's Fang ( " " ) but does not stack.

Any others? thoughts? or just a repeated post?

It would be nice if the Wendigo Claws and Demon Dog Thorns stacked as well, although the Demon Dog Thorns appear to be large enough that it makes sense, much like the Centaur Tails.

hearty solstice
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War Maul needs to be removed. Its so bad.

sturdy forge
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war maul needs to be a bit faster

brave wigeon
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Can anyone verify that cursed crown is still dropping off ghost king? Atleast 45+ kills and haven't seen a single drop of it.

ionic hollow
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@brave wigeon that seems like an unreasonable amount of kills on GK

steep crown
fathom wyvern
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Ive never been 100% remove rat until now, within 20 seconds on goblin I was rushed out of nowhere heard one squeek and in 2 seconds I was at 5%hp fighting a bear and the mummy I was on. -30minutes of ap farming and a 2k kit with literally nothing I could do to fight back or anticipate the attack

maiden prairie
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dont allow spiders to move you on stairs.. whenever im opening door on stairs, spiders cancel the door opening

woven marsh
fathom wyvern
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https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576132/reduce-ap-lost-from-pvp-deaths Made a suggestion post about lowering AP lost from PVP deaths, would lower frustration/stress/anxiety at higher AP tiers due to dying to BIS spawn rushers and whatever else.
As currently its way more punishing for people trying to farm AP to die compared to someone on their alt because they already farmed it- not worried about losing AP just going for PVP kills.

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Its 100% an uneven battle when one side has way more to lose

sinful thicket
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A little viola nerf wouldnt be bad

slender marten
median mural
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Please for the love that is all holy. PUT A COOL DOWN ON DRUID FORMS SO THEY CAN'T SWAP IN AND OUT OF THE SAME 2 FORMS OVER AND OVER.

It's bad enough chasing or getting chased by a druid with rat to bear to rat combo 30 times a minute. They also chicken panther jump and you can never get away.

I literally just had an 8 minute fight against a druid where all he did was rat bear and would not let me be. I tried chasing him for like 2 minutes but gave up. Then anytime I tried to disengage he would panther chicken jump close to me then bear+rat.

It's so toxic because I can't kill him nor can I get away. I'm stuck in a perpetual fight. THIS ISN'T FUN.

Druid forms NEED an internal cool down before letting you get back into a form you've recently been in. Like 10 seconds or something. Force druid to make actual decisions over what they should do instead of just spam

dapper gull
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Nerf weapon mastery fighters. It’s so dumb playing solos and all you see are rondel buckler fighters with survival bows and 70% PDR. It’s no brain all they do is run at you while holding left mouse.

crude hill
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What about marking bow not 100% precise. Like wii sports resort one. A circle of precision that becomes smaller the tighter the bow.

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Then make Ranger have smaller circle than fighters.

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Also make bows cancel the shoot if they were hit.

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Also if the shoot canceled is mostly charged it shoots anyways but with the bigger precisión circle posible.

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And of course this is a nerf

sinful thicket
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fix this lag when players comes in render distance. its getting ridiculous.

tired osprey
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Ok people want a Necromancer class, we probably won't get a dedicated one but a viable subclass for either Wizard or Warlock would be cool.

Wizard would make sense unless they give him more utility to become a true toolbox caster.

If Warlock got it he would have 4 viable variants:

Caster
Melee
Demon
Necromancer.

All they would need to do is give Warlock 1 or 2 new skills for it or maybe just some new spells and perks to facilitate it and allow natural hybrids.

pale night
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In the new matchmaking system, they actively abuse the preliminary group, people know each other before the lobby, they abuse the AP and kill other players and they do it very easily, in high role there is no matchmaking by rank

gloomy inlet
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Common grade capes from squire that don’t change GS to teach people some basics of building into specs would be fun for -25

median mural
sonic bone
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add icon if teammate leave game yet so we not waste time to res

dapper gull
low tundra
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when you start in highroller and 2 red and one black enemy directy start attacking you, maybe tweak starting positions a little bit, thanks

worn lava
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i hope arena is like apex arena with the point system you start with a certain amount of points to pick your loadout first match you pick standard gear next match depending on if you win or loose or how many kills you got you received extra points the next match genuinely gives you extra points though to pick better gear for your loadout but with dark and darker with the stats on gear given how broken it would be to have that in arena the devs should take stats off for arena and just give you gray white green blue purple gold with out any stats on so if arena is a point system as you gain more points you would upgrade gear potions weapons and matches i don't see why they couldn't do matches have more rounds to go against another team you win the matches you win the game you get a reward

jolly leaf
velvet star
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Change ranked system. Points for enter so high value, if you loose one time, you need to have 2-3 greate farming game with escape a tons of treasures for compensates 1 death. It's too unfair, and this is a PAID mode. Feels so bad

jolly leaf
velvet star
wild ledge
rotund orbit
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I have a suggestion, maybe add footsteps back to the game

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Idk why I never hear them anymore but the class don't matter I just never hear footsteps. Audio is always loud too

white cliff
sturdy forge
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@velvet star lol you been playing the game at all bro?

white cliff
onyx lotus
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oh no

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I fucked up. It says Gablin Dance.

vestal cloud
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panther druid is actually unplayable unless you have 3000apm you can have max max health and still just get 2 tapped like atleast makeit so you get 3 tapped by grey gear players i mean come on

lunar narwhal
jolly leaf
jade herald
brave wigeon
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Not sure anyone but devs care to give druid anything more. They can already change forms to often and take only fights they want and when they want them. 25 shapeshifts in a minute or less is dumb already.

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oh no I'm losing....shapeshift through a door and gone to full heal. It's pretty lame already.

jade herald
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Wait until you hear about warlocks..

brave wigeon
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oh great are they getting a buff. The only class that can easily down all the boss already....let me heal like a healer...cast like a caster and fight like a melee class. Some of the stuff that happens in this game make me scratch my head.

lament sequoia
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*REMOVE ALL TRUE / ADD DAMGE FROM ALL EQUIPMENT (Weapons should be the only thing with add damage ??)

fluid grove
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Any chance summon & hunting trap kills could count as the player's? They could be displayed as the spell/weapon type in the kill feed, like how every other spell or weapon kill shows up there. It would look like Player1 Killed Player2 (Treant/Hydra/Hunting Trap). These sources of damage are actively created/placed purposefully by the player, it's not as if you're just body blocking someone and getting them killed by a dungeon mob or environmental hazard. If one player creates a damage source that kills another player, whether by spell or something physically placed in the dungeon like a hunting trap, it should count as their kill. This would fix all the issues associated with players getting kills with said sources not counting towards quests, XP, AP etc. It feels bad summoning a treant/hydra and killing a player or creature, and then it not counting for anything because they got the last hit. Having to either kill your own summon or stop attacking something preemptively to prevent the problem is annoying at best and unintuitive at worst (especially for newer players).

median blaze
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I would love to see some type of bloodied/injured system. When an opponent reaches a certain hp threshold, maybe a flat amount or a percentage, they show some blood and/or grunt when low HP. Especially now that you can't inspect people's gear, I think this would be really useful and informative. EDIT: I posted this to the official suggesion website. Please upvote my suggestion "njured/Bloody System to give players a sense of opponent's health" if you agree

solemn grail
outer sable
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24/7 GOBBO CAVESSSSSSSSSSS

wicked rose
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nerf rondel fighter

wicked rose
sonic bone
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warlock spell self make sound very loud i cant hear anything

lament sequoia
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change spawn with 2 harpies and frost imp lol ... worst spawn for ice cavern

ionic hollow
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can we get a button to put away your secondary, say im chasing someone with sword shield i dont want to slow Tech it off by opening inventory. It is a micromanagement thing, i dont like it. Suggesting this hotkey

jolly leaf
sinful thicket
tiny wigeon
forest hearth
sinful thicket
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Balance i would want to see:
Nerf traps by a lot/remove entirely
Nerf forcefull shot
Buff ranger in other aspects
Nerf fighter rondel dagger build
Nerf druids getaway potential and buff it in other aspects.
Nerf viola actionspeed debuff down to 10%
Nerf wizard dmg

random idol
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Bring back under 125 gear score lobbies... its not fair when as soon as you get a piece of gear and try to use it if it brings you over 25 GS you place in lobbies with people kitted 450

somber elk
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Can we get Monk class which cant equip weapons and use his hand fist only pls developers you have brain work it upwizthink wizthink

white cliff
wide badge
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delete druid from the game

lucid minnow
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Make it so that when I close a fucking door I don't want the mage still aggroed on me when there is a fucking fighter rubbing his ass

fallow fjord
faint onyx
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extract time on ice mountain is too short

ripe bluff
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
red orbit
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add a mail box where you can send players items, without having to wait to trade with them

floral flame
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need filter by item like tarkov to list stuff faster

buoyant zodiac
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FIX "connection to the server terminated abnormally"

undone pebble
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Add MIDI Support to the instruments

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Just like in rust

rustic pelican
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make Rogue great again

warped edge
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make fighter shield bash a “bash” / “punch” attack so all weapons and shields can use it. longsword becomes a half sword guard/ pommel bash, falc becomes a pommel bash, etc etc

snow dock
uneven flint
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You guys think they will enable VR? I would love too

trail sentinel
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Make druid a crowd control class. Reduce damage on bear and raise hp. Give cc spells more capacity. Remove scaling from heals. Remove the ability for rats to jump through doors.

stuck perch
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I don't agree with removing scaling on heals. By all means druids could be a crowd control class, but that doesn't mean it should be the only way to play it. Animal forms should also have higher base damage and less scaling so you get a better average and less top heavy scailing abuse.

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However crowd control as a whole should have some scailing.

trail sentinel
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healing on druid was fine before this patch. When I played druid I could get up to full health so fast. And the weak cc options made them feel useless. I also one tapped so many people with bear I lost count.

stuck perch
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Every class with healing can get up to full health fast. Most faster than the druid.

trail sentinel
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Yeah that’s true. All I’m saying is that I would rather healing be second to cc and the damage to be lower on bear.

stuck perch
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Let's specify top damage on bear. Normal damage doesn't need a nerf.

trail sentinel
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Yeah the right click

stuck perch
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The thing is with scaling, whether you do healing, cc or damage better depends on your build and gear. So you could play full heals and light cc or the otherway around.

stuck perch
# trail sentinel Yeah the right click

I mean that damage right or left click without gear doesn't need a nerf. What does is when you stack high strength or agi on it and you get ludicrous damage out of it.

proven valley
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This does nothing to stop rats and prevents players from bringing in weapon swaps if they want. Remove this change and come up with a smarter way to deal with it.
Joy1
"The option to not fill empty slots will still be available for Normal dungeon adventures. We have also added a new inventory restriction when entering the dungeons. Adventurers will now only be able to fill their inventory bag space with utility and consumable items when starting a match. Weapons, armors, accessories, and instruments placed in the inventory bag are not allowed when entering the dungeons. A special exception is made for lanterns. Joy1 We hope to prevent players trying to exploit the gearscore requirements Joy1 for High Roller adventures and Joy1 to also prevent adventurers accidentally bringing in their quest rewards Joy1 "
Joy1

stuck perch
proven valley
hot adder
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With the can't bring in gear I understand what the thinking is behind it but could they rather have it so you can bring in gear but it won't count towards the gs requirement, like if a ranger comes in and has a bow, a windlass and wants to have a melee too now you can't do that? I think that's pretty rough

proven valley
trail sentinel
stuck perch
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I think being able to bring extra gear and not have it count against gs would be abused, bring in a green weapon and a purple one in your inventory.

Honestly the problem would be solved if they removed GS requirements in HR.

warm ruin
stuck perch
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Why are rats so despised that they have to add restrictions to limit them?

warm ruin
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Hot take: Dungeons should be for farming gear and there should be an Arena mode for PVP

proven valley
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dungeon has to be for both
They need to SIGNIFICANTLY up the loot in HR hell though. Everyone is doing just PVP because loot is irrelevant. Its end wipe so makes sense but either way

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Like make uniques and artifacts more attainable. Loot gap between purple/uniques isn't even a think because you'll NEVER hit all good rolls on it.

warm ruin
proven valley
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The devs complain about the cost of gear but make people bring out treasure for AP (which just adds straight gold to the economy for infaltion) and dont have good enough loot spawning often enough

stuck perch
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I don't think we need more loot. It'll just make most of the loot worthless. There should be a grind for loot. However uniques should be truly unique. As is one player can have it at a time per region.

hot adder
trail sentinel
hot adder
# trail sentinel I understand but you gotta think about the people who would abuse that. For exam...

I understand that and I'm not talking about implementing this is normals, but only in hr since they want to have gs requirements but yeh it would be crazy if you could just have a kit in úr inventory full legendary and que -25 lobby or something bcs u don't have it equipped and yeh I know this will not happen its just an idea that's maybe a chance to work around or whatever
It's just me running my mind for some ideas bcs the way hr works rn is kinda sus

trail sentinel
tiny wigeon
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Think about how the game is advertised and what the devs want it to do. Then imagine going into a game and half the lobby isn’t even engaging with the game. They just wait for other ppl to engage with the game then they go and take the profits. Which is fine , but it goes against what the devs want the game to be.

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And this restriction they added isn’t a solution but it will help , so maybe instead of half your lobby being rats it’s just a third

white cliff
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HR was never meant to be a pve farming mode, regardless of if they add rewards to playing the mode. The AP system has really modified how the game is being played, in reverse, where everyone is either pvping in norms, or ratting on Hr to try to scoop bis gear from the people still trying to play the game how it was meant to be played, from a design perspective years ago.

If you’re a rat you’re not engaging in the game in a healthy way and ironmace has told you this multiple times, they’ve tried adding a gear score and dropping the ante, and people want to bring in cheap purples to avoid it. So ironmace said no, no you’re not going to do that. With this change.

stuck perch
slender marten
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Hire a balancing team, this back and forth heavy handed nerfs/buffs gotta change already. Been like this since forever.

tough willow
lament sequoia
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i die to more to the void then players lmao ...... fking shit game servers (Keep getting stutters at the worse times)

sudden scaffold
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These new changes scream Sodapoppin malding to the devs

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Also the change to no equipment in inventory was a really bad change, who cares about exploiting gear score

left patrol
faint onyx
muted crag
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We should be able to reach HR through the loot we CAN find in normals on the regular, aka GREENS.

orchid magnet
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Respectfully im going to step away from dark and darker unless highroller is changed or ranked gets overhauled

topaz meadow
vestal cloud
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anyone else having issues with blacksmith launcher or just me?

jolly leaf
white cliff
vast kettle
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Is changing Voidblade to deal Magic Weapon Damage a bad idea?

jolly leaf
vast kettle
hearty solstice
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Really wish the Quest System gets some type of rework. Been trying to do the "Visit Blood Platforms" and "Visit Waiting Room" in inferno for the longest time now and I keep getting the Inferno map that doesn't have the modules I NEED. Its getting to the point I just exit to lobby if I don't get the right map. Doesn't matter what loot I get. I'm only trying to grind quests.

sharp cape
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please for the love of god buff the gold storage items
it is RIDICULOUS that i have spent 200k on gold storage just to ONLY HOLD 40K GOLD

vast kettle
sharp cape
vast kettle
# sharp cape i just dont think gold storage should be the assets your investing in you should...

A Leather bag that's made with a low drop rate % item + 4 average drop rate % items. That low drop rate requires you to learn a whole ass boss, so throw in the cost of however many kits it takes you to learn to start farming. I'd say that's an asset. I'd even say I prefer storage devices being the usual trading equiv because it's foundationally useful and isn't wasting space.

If you're at the point where multiple chests are taking too much space in your stash, you're at the point where you can condense that loot into either BIS items for resale, SK's or good roll Artifacts.

sharp cape
lament sequoia
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This game is getting worse with new classes man i miss the ole days of just the base characters felt good now you got people turning into furries ... this game is wild lol

jolly leaf
light hound
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Please Upvote if your like it:

Use a Lore-Compatible "Dream" Service (Shaman Merchant or Lobby Option) To Practice Bosses/Mobs

A shaman/sorcerer merchant can drug you up to relive a fight from the past - a dream battle sandbox.

Dreams of different bosses and mobs will unlock after encountering them. By using the service (or free option), you will be able to have a mock battle against a boss or mob you want to practice so that you are prepared for it the next time you enter the dungeon. The dream boss will not drop anything other than experience.

This will make approaching bosses and difficult mobs a LOT easier for new players and is lore-compatible.

Even for an experienced player like myself, this makes the bosses WAY more approachable compared to wasting 30+ minutes to attempt it a single time and dying with everything you've looted for that 30 minutes. (knowing it will probably take 10+ tries to get consistent, it turns into 5+ hours of not having much fun which leads to deciding it's not worth the time).

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576865/use-a-lorecompatible-dream-service-shaman-merchant-or-lobby-option-to-practice-b

solemn grail
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Arena for PVPer, Survival Mod for PVEer

median mural
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Just get rid of gear and level requirements to join HR already.

Make normal mode max 124 GS. This will make all geared players forced into HR again where we should be.

void crag
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can we get a dummy in the waiting room for level 2 hell?

void crag
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could we have a cancel button on drinking a potion

steep willow
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Curse of Pain get a buff? Really? Most op, so annoying skill in game? Guys pls nerf this skill, coz when I with my friends see it, we actually stop playing this game and wont play next season with this...

grim bluff
void crag
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would it be cool if the torches came out of the wall for red stairs and you had to light both of them with your torch to enter. that way you could tell if a player went down or not.(similar to if a blue portal has been used). give torches more use. also, what do you think about static campfires in game that can be lit, but used only oncv

muted crag
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Personal idea instantly redacted due to being obviously bad, didn't even have to edit.

grave stirrup
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phys protection potion in base set gear but no magic prot potion why ?

naive orchid
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Is it just me or all yall lagg spiking / rubber banding???

unkempt saffron
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if you want to fight people abusing GearScoreto get into HR, make items in Inventory not count towards GS for HR. this way people cant stack cheap epic items to circumvent the minimum GS.

grave stirrup
jolly leaf
sonic bone
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teammate ded by my dark reflect and i got the TK panalty fix pls : )

jade crag
worldly fern
white cliff
covert inlet
covert inlet
candid summit
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heyo, they should add a way to review the last match stats in HR so you can see whatcha get for AP

turbid sundial
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Can we get a #druid chat please?

fathom wyvern
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Someone who already has demi and is on their alt is 100% going to have an advantage over someone else going into the fight/playing cautious worried about loosing 600+ Espescially the large amount of people like me that arent amazing at always getting over 1-1.5k ap (after the fee) a run.

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It would allow for normal people who dont play 4-8+ hours a day to have a larger chance to hit Demigod I think

pliant oyster
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After all base (sub) classes are added from DND it would be amazing if we could get prestige classes from 3.0 - 3.5 erra

Cancer Mage, Thrall of Demongorgon, Geo Mancer, Arcane Archer, Black Guard, Platinum Knight, Black Flame Zealot, Void Disciple, Warpriest, Blood Magus, Eldritch Disciple, Spellsword, Dracolyte, Rimefire Witch, Dread Witch, Elemental Warrior, Doomguard, Runesmith, Iron Mind, Warrior of Darkness, Demonologist, Lifedrinker, to name a few

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
covert inlet
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thats sick

jolly leaf
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Maybe not exactly like said in the suggestion but they plan to add a real Gathering Hall

sharp cape
white cliff
sharp cape
white cliff
sharp cape
white cliff
sharp cape
white cliff
# sharp cape I don't believe the gold storage costing significantly more than it stores is in...

Limited gold storage was intentional. You had one stash page and people where creating mules so they created a myriad of ways to store and circumvent that. Buying pages, character shared transfer, etc. Like the old school event trinkets, the community decided they needed a way to like you said asset store gold in the form of rare items. Keys. They’ve also decided to do that with bags and chests because they’re rare items as they’re tied to bosses. And if you’re thinking logistically, a chest and a bag save a ton of storage space. 20 slots for a bag? 200 for a chest.

white cliff
sharp cape
white cliff
sharp cape
crimson jewel
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Ironmace, please make nightmare skeleton axe's second attack a bit easy to dodge by ducking to the right.

queen igloo
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Ironmace should implement fractional physical power scaling depending on the handedness of the weapon (one-handed vs two-handed) and the speed of the weapon. Weapons like the Double axe and Warmaul have high damage output, but are extremely slow. Conversely, weapons like the Rondel dagger and Rapier start with medium damage and can easily rival the heavier weapons in terms of DPS (damage per second.) These one handed weapons allow the user to be more maneuverable in terms of both action speed and move speed, and thus should have fractional physical power scaling.

Instead of scaling 100% per physical damage bonus percentage, different weapons should have closer to 75% or 50% scaling.

glacial sphinx
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Physical damage bonus is a % based increase and doesn't benefit fast weapons more than slow ones. Could make the case about added damage I guess, but otherwise its not right.

jolly leaf
queen igloo
glacial sphinx
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difference in swing count is only relevant for flat added damage

queen igloo
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However, quicker weapons on average will take advantage of it more, it's easier to land multiple hits on a quicker weapon than a slow one

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IMO on the higher end physical power bonus and armor penetration is the culprit of some imbalance

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I will rarely see anybody take a halberd or bardiche outside of having one-shot builds, if you cannot kill someone with one hit with a two handed weapon, you're at a major disadvantage against a one handed weapon other than range

marble lotus
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Have a poll system for season rewards

sinful thicket
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A warmaul vs dagger. If warmaul swings like a maniac the dagger dude wont even get close + warmaul got a ton of armor pen on it

sinful thicket
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Devs are clueless balance wise. They need to have the balance team be a mix between people who aren't skilled and people who are skilled and have people who actually play a ton.

Druid needed a buff 100%, but jesus christ bear form didnt need a buff. legit nobody asked for bear buffs.

prime tapir
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Now many streamers get expensive items from their viewers. Why this is acceptable instead banned. This kind of supporting streamers cause instable market prices and priventing fair item supply to all players. This unfair environment should be changed.

glacial sphinx
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I dont think it has any impact on market prices, but they could disable trading for the first week that might be interesting.

pale night
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Fix the idiotic spiders in the ice map, they are too fat, not to mention their stupid hitbox, where they calmly stop a player in a passage where 2 players can fit, it either does not have an increase in damage to the head, or what is wrong with it? It is much stronger than its similar Huge spider in the goblin Cave

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https://ibb.co/TwpfsbB
Or simplify the spawn location of Reverser Pyramid, it's not normal that players in neighboring rooms can get to us by killing 1 mob, and we will have to deal with skeleton archers, axemen and these imbalanced spiders, the enemies always have an advantage over us

sinful thicket
fervent ember
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it'd be cool if in ice caves, when people die to the blizzard and freeze, their frozen body could be found in the following lobby run by players. not sure how it would impact goblin merchant though

jolly leaf
fathom wyvern
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Add a penalty for dying and leaving immediately

brave karma
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NERF DRUID

heavy magnet
topaz meadow
twin stream
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it would be life changing if i could see the server we are going to be queueing into in the lobby because i cant stand dying because a random host queues me into 300+ ping 🙏

ashen herald
ionic hollow
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Why does fireball blast through pavise? I mean warlock is bad enough. Shouldnt we actually have a counter to wizards?

drowsy hearth
echo swift
tiny wigeon
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Stop asking for balance…
The game has 3 maps, some are closed and tight, some are more open. There are solos, duos and trios.
You also have gear or naked lobbies, items heavily impact how good your class is.
The game also has a bunch of different classes and perks.
It will NEVER be balanced, it is impossible to balance a game with all these different variables.
The game isn’t supposed to be balanced, the devs always said they want a rock paper scissors system.
They follow DnD a lot, and DnD isn’t balanced.
Ofc we can ask for tuning , but I don’t believe any class beats every class, it is a rock paper scissor system.
Stop trying to ask for the impossible, game won’t be balanced, when you die to your counter class, just accept it and requeue, dying is part of the game too.
They also said they balance this game for trios, not solos.

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
thin tree
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@keen onyx @dawn grotto Are there plans to include an option to disable the trader and shared stash when you make a character? This allows people to do "Self-found" zero to hero runs.

vestal cloud
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revamp the ap system the most boring and stressful grind of any game ever so dumb how if you want to rank up you need to play like an absolute pxssy and hide in a corner all game and run from any fight it takes so much skill

ebon vector
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@dawn grotto yo man, does Ironshield allow the use of AutoHotkey

copper pendant
wanton yarrow
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arrow types would be dope

red orbit
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A recommended price for what something was previously sold for when in the marketplace tab

wanton yarrow
worn lava
mystic silo
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my wish is that they would have a way to practice against bosses without having to wait so long to go to infero or abyss. some of us have quite a bit less time and would still ike to be bale to do this type of thing

twin stream
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add a sit out feature copy fortnite

lilac dirge
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Make it so druid can jump across entire rooms, transform into a bear and 1 shot almost any class. Oh wait, that is already in the game. great balance, best of balance. keep it up, it makes the game so much fun to play!

fallow scaffold
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i've a rel suggestion how about we get rid of this rand boss bulshit

jolly leaf
granite plinth
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make wizard not 3 shot any class in the game with a giant fucking fireball that deals 9 octillion damage per hit

granite plinth
pallid prism
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HR ranks could be based on average extraction score instead of the current system
Maybe requiring increasing amount of games for higher ranks to get a better average
10-15-20-25-30-35-40

or just 50 games to unlock the rank based on average, then you can increase rank by increasing average score

pallid prism
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Since there's starting to be a lot of sitting emotes, I would like it if there was an emote wheel for those as well, while sitting down. Would also help if you don't want your head to bob when sitting down in a dangerous area but still like to use the animation

shell pier
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We need account wide Affinity for the vendors. It feels terrible to have to quest on multiple classes just to get access to basic Squire gear that you need/want. So if you level up the vendors on one class, it should affect any class that create.

glacial sphinx
twilit nebula
wheat ruin
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has there been any discussion on the instant transform for druid to be nerfed in some way? charges on it would be good, either 20-30 sec recharge, or more charges and only restored via resting

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cooldown would still allow druid's too be great escape artists, but not indefinitely, unless high end resource build

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3 charges stored, so it allowed them to do the panther, chicken, bear combo

tacit oriole
tough willow
wheat ruin
torpid trout
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Love having to wait for the map I want to play to rotate its the BEST!!!!!

stone blade
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Having no gear score brackets in HR is dumb. Gear should be about making builds and having build diversity. Not so you can just be 100x stronger in every dimension than your competition. Might as well play against people with hacks, it's a horrible design that needs to be changed.

south topaz
# wheat ruin the idea is to make it fit, i dont want to gut the class, but something has to b...

Change the Druid shapeshift damage scaling to:
((Att x 0.625) + 15) x Multiplier and (Att/8)% Phy Armor Pen
From
Att x Multiplier

Which leads to:
Bear Swipe: Str x 1.25 + 5 -> ((Str x 0.625) + 15) x 1.5 Plus (Str x0.125)% Phy Armor Pen
Bear Bash: Str x 2 -> ((Str x 0.625) + 15) x 2 Plus (Str x0.125)% Phy Armor Pen
Panther Scratch: Agi x 1.1 -> ((Agi x 0.625) + 15) x 0.875 Plus (Agi x0.125)% Phy Armor Pen
Panther Bite: Agi x 1.35 -> ((Agi x 0.625) + 15) x 1.125 Plus (Agi x0.125)% Phy Armor Pen
Chicken Peck: Res * 1.5 Plus 30% Phy Armor Pen -> ((Res x 0.625) + 15) x 1.5 Plus (Res x0.75)% Phy Armor Pen

Add a cloth type glove that provides 3/5/7/9/11/13/15 Agi and 1/1/1/1/2/2/2 Armor Rating for Druid, Wizard and Cleric (Make up for the panther multiplier reduction for druid, buff for wizard/cleric).

In a match of fair fight (Identical gear score fights), druid are basically useless at GS <120, then powerful at 120-225, hyper busted at 225-500 and then starts to become useless again at BiS >500 ranges against a 85% PDR fighter.
This changes allows all shapeshift forms to behaves the same as druid are at GS of 124 across the entire gear range (Or 40 Att). (Battle Shapeshifts no longer considered throwing at <25gs, No longer useless if the gear isn't BiS, but also not as insanely broken as currently is at the sweet spot of 225-500gs (Low-Mid end HR range). A little bits of Armor Pen allows Druid to not get steamrolled by 85% PDR fighters at the 500+ range.)

Make the instant shapeshift perk Basekit, however with the following debuff:
For every shapeshifts, gives +24 fatigue. Depletes at the rate of 4/s (16/s if resting).
Druid base shapeshift time governed by this formula:
0.0625 + (x/80)^2 sec
That leads to the first 3 shapeshift being near instant, then the 4th would takes 0.62s, 5th takes 1.39s, 6th takes 2.66s, 7th takes 4.55s, until 8th shapeshift caps out at 7.2s. (Exact cooldown will be lower)
Prevent shapeshift spam but without making it very limiting.

ebon vector
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make it so that druid can wear warden outfit @dawn grotto

stone blade
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Hr needs gear brackets. Otherwise it's a pointless mode for anyone other than no lifers. There's no gameplay going against someone 500-600 gear score higher than you. Which means the only mode is normals but then what do you do with the stuff you get out? An I supposed to save up from 200 normal runs and then buy one god kit that I haven't had practice in so I can go loose it and start all over again? It's a bad gameplay loop.

There's no reason when I have 0 AP that I'm fighting people every game that have 700-900 gear score.

queen isle
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They should add Invisibility potions to the Squire if you have high enough Affinity with the Alchemist

void crag
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phantomize through metal cage doors

woeful raptor
stone blade
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Random group trios too getting put with pre mades

outer sable
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Anybody got any information about what any of the stuff they added to PBE server is about?

vestal cloud
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change traps the most unfun thing too play gainst in the game i cannot tell you how stupid it is to have to run into 50 traps a game atm this is actually ridiculous

dry vault
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pay out test server rewards please - suggestion
Also let me get my purchased cosmetics on the test server 🙂 thank you
Let us do quests on the test server on repeat (when you wipe the servers) - please do not take away the option to craft/buy shit tho.

uncut latch
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Please allow Rogues to wear Rubysilver Cuirass

tough willow
uncut latch
fathom wyvern
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Is there any reason not to ban someone with a red name from queuing with randoms? Loaded into an HR trio with 2 red names, they get me hit to 1hp by mobs they aggroed then got mad when I was waiting for heal shrine instead of wasting heals- once I caught up to them, since they just left me, one guy just flamed me for taking so long to catch up then TKed me for saying they are why I got hit and had to wait lol
Love it

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-1.5k kit an they maybe get a short ban or something for hitting punish team killer

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Just dont allow it or put them into a "red name only" queue

static turret
fathom wyvern
static turret
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Or just keep it how it is find people to queue up with if you have issues with total randoms, they're going to be a coin flip either way

fathom wyvern
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Thats not addressing anything I said but cool 👍 good luck in your raids, just gonna block if you keep trying to just argue your opinion instead of address an actual issue in the game

static turret
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For the majority of time the colored names have just been farmed for looks, if your going to make it affect matchmaking (without us knowing that it will) you either have to reset the names or not have them affect matchmaking.

fathom wyvern
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100% would need to be told to players beforehand and have a reset I agree, maybe even a hidden value for TKers that isnt the red name that puts them in their own queue- with some way to earn out of it or something.

static turret
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I do agree tho that team killing in the random queue has to be somehow regulated

fathom wyvern
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Yeah not enough of a penalty as it is I dont think

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Loosing a whole 1-howver much thousand+ kit and they get a 5 minute ban or whatever

static turret
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I haven't been team killed on it yet but also i only play squire runs with randoms as I'm not trusting my gear to either straight up team killing or just bad teamplay

fathom wyvern
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Yeah was just throwing some loose gear I had on, ive had some ok experiences in randoms HR but this was fs the worst so far

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Sometimes people can be pretty chill

static turret
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I've had some really good experiences actually with it in low risk environments most people are pretty chill but in GC it's often just someone bossing and not waiting for solo queue or whatever (not really an issue but for pvp it kinda defeats even queueing up to a group then)

fathom wyvern
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Totally agreed. Was tryna casually get some AP while not having to be in a call atm just using ptt but I guess I just gotta bring cheaper kits if I want to do that KEKW

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The toxic people make the really friendly ones cooler crunchywiz

alpine plover
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Fix High Roller Matchmaking, People who are in Wanderer shouldn't be going against people in Voyager/ Make Matchmaking actually fair and within the same rankings.

indigo imp
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make the team killing punishment based on multiple reports so that people cant troll you and kill themselves and report you

jolly leaf
lament sequoia
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druid did not neeed buff to bear form holy crap ... hit box on bear is already bs.

#

remove druid please

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bro i had 50 % pdr and got one shot from bear form bro i am done with this game till that garbage is removed

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let me mind you i had 190 hp as well

granite plinth
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make ur servers not bad

mortal shore
#

when is wipe?

foggy sun
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I hope you can add the religions symbol to your armour

foggy sun
worn lava
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remove the ability to haste and invis dead bodies since you removed the ability to chain them

keen parcel
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Matchmaking that can pair you with similar-goaled dungeoneers would be cool

jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
winter idol
winter idol
jolly leaf
winter idol
slow arch
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crosshair options or atlest colors

outer radish
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Will the new season start after this one ends?

jolly leaf
woeful raptor
outer radish
onyx citrus
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Remove traps and buff ranger stats

jolly leaf
outer radish
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Why don’t they just do that during the wipe in the test server? Like they have a ton of time

tough willow
outer radish
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Yeah no way they haven’t made enough money to employ good and more experienced devs to get the updates out on time

tough willow
void remnant
tough willow
brisk jetty
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I think fighter needs a rework full plate shouldn't be able to outrun anyone and how does it make sense that a fighter with no magical ability can self heal themselves 40% of health. Honestly think take the speed away and health regen and give them an ability that increases damage reduction for a part of time while active or and maybe a special attack like a empowered attack

void remnant
brisk jetty
lucid minnow
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Remove achillies its not fun at all

silver dock
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@brisk jetty they already have an empowered attack, victory strike

warm ruin
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is there any way we could get a better quest log? sortable by dungeon tasks...

jolly leaf
ionic hollow
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wall hackers and preteams are rampant

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I cant even look for a match on this discord without 50/50 it being a trick to wall hackers getting your loot or their friends.

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GG!

jolly leaf
ionic hollow
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or admins could manage it themselves. Recording software my pc cant handle

jolly leaf
# ionic hollow or admins could manage it themselves. Recording software my pc cant handle

They're probably thousand of cheater and teamer. They're doing there best and actually doing a good jobs at handling report and banning people. IM is a small team give them some time to improve and add new solution. (They've talked of adding a system similar to Counter Strike where player can review report and judge other player and I think that's a really good idea)

ionic hollow
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Wall hacks, Lag tech, Static spawns.

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aim hackers. And we get 1 report every what...........6 hours of gameplay

glass ore
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Need to add a player count, have wasted so much time running around empty lobbies trying to find people.

lament sequoia
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remove druid furries pwease lol

muted crag
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Add kopesh sword.

nocturne lagoon
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Does anyone ever think "remove X" without any reasoning or logical argument will ever amount to anything?

upper hearth
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Increase buff duration scaling with gear

sonic bone
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since we have crossbow mastery why cant we have bow mastery

tiny wigeon
cosmic yacht
tiny wigeon
cosmic yacht
tiny wigeon
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Look at the game trailer and tell me it isn’t about pvp

cosmic yacht
tiny wigeon
cosmic yacht
tiny wigeon
night ether
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Female animal races body type is extremely needed.

tiny wigeon
jolly leaf
# nocturne lagoon Does anyone ever think "remove X" without any reasoning or logical argument will...

No it'll never lead to anything, even people saying "nerf this" or "buff that" is useless imo. People should come with suggestion if they want thing to change. For exemple I think there is an issues with the core mechanics of Warlock and Rogue Landmine build that why I made a suggestion for Warlock and push another really good one about rogue. If you want to take a look :
Warlock : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/564808/rework-of-warlocks-healing-mechanic

Rogue : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons

jolly leaf
# tiny wigeon Someone made this suggestion and I agree with it, your thoughts ? https://darkan...

That's a great idea but 2 thing :

First it shouldn't be "free" in any case I think 5 to 10k gold to unlock one more slot with a maximum of 2 Additional slot is good

Second, I'm still convinced that they gave too much to free player too fast (Gear in normal, limited acces to Marketplace...). Imo they either need to revert thing before giving new privilege too f2p player because I feel like they're is not enough things that really push people to buy the game. Imo they couldn't have done thing like "F2P have limited access to quest, they can only do the 2-3 first pack of quest"

tiny wigeon
tiny wigeon
winter idol
# jolly leaf That's a great idea but 2 thing : First it shouldn't be "free" in any case I th...

Imo the best Solution would be to keep them at one character slot to remain the worth of legendary status but instead right at character creation you could click on 'test out' rather than 'create', which creates a new fresh character for a single run that gets deleted right after you die or extract.

That way free players could test out every class extensively, but would still be limited to one char to make actual progress with, which would be the optimal balance I think.

tiny wigeon
winter idol
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Wouldn't be a problem to make this test chars as lvl 15 chars by default I think.

But honestly I dont see having one perk as such a big problem for that matter. You also dont have any gear so most builds dont work anyway. It's not to test out a class at it's full potential but rather get a idea of how it works and what its capable of. But it would be fine for me either way

tiny wigeon
winter idol
jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
# jolly leaf Limited access, they can buy stuff on the marketplace. And yes 10k fell high but...

I think free to play is a good model.
The game has skins and cosmetics that you can choose to spend your money in, and people have money and are willing to spend it.
But if there is a free to play option, make sure the players are experiencing the game, and not just 50% of the game.
Yeah, at the end of the wipe it’s easy to have money, but free to play accounts don’t have 2 full tabs of money to spend I reckon

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I just think , either have free to play with most of the game available and let people experience it.
Or not at all, I think it hurts to have new players only experience 50% of the game, while thinking they are getting the full picture

jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
slender crown
jolly leaf
slender crown
jolly leaf
sinful thicket
slender crown
sinful thicket
slender crown
vestal cloud
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delete bola goblin the bane of my existence

sturdy forge
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please make multiple leaderboards not just in adventure points….like most mob kills, most loot extracted, most players killed

vestal cloud
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fix jumping all opver spiders AND GETTING STUCK ON THEM ITS ACTUALLY THE DUMBEST THING EVER

kind ermine
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Bigger lobbies I’m either getting hunted by thirsty pvp players or don’t see anyone for an entire game. Also making shape shifting in any way useful below 125+ GS would be great

brave karma
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Longbow -50 ms > -40ms, recurve bow -40ms > -30ms, spear -40ms > -35ms

kind ermine
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fix druid being unable to wildshape without 30 feet of clearance in every direction class is unplayable on 60% of every map because of it

mental pier
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How would players feel about a holiday themed boss encounter? no dungeon, just boss, with limited rewards for the holiday encounter? And not an easy boss or unlimited. Like one try weekly or twice weekly. Would be so cool to fight the Headless Horseman with my trio once a week to try and get rewards.

queen igloo
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Gilded underwear as a demigod reward next season. Enough said.

gilded aspen
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The ability to remove rogue from the game as a season reward

ionic hollow
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HHAHAHA just got loot baited by a ranger who had us play in sydney ICE AP High Roller. His friends spawned rushed us the same time he went to "split up to get more AP" Why is there no reporting capability after the match? I cant record or send in anything in game. I get one report for KARMA. I cant even post his name on here. What are devs doing to stop people from Gear Baiting in this LFG discord. It happens every other game i find seems like. Can anyone shine a light on this?

vague shell
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anyone else unable to play?

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
# gilded aspen The ability to remove rogue from the game as a season reward

They'll never remove a class it's useless to ask for that. Think of a way to nerf/buff or rework it instead. If you'r idea have enough success it might be added to the game. There's this one that's really cool about Rogue, it's a rework of the Landmine that don't simply remove Hide https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons
Have a look at the comment too and upvote if you like the idea Salute

lucid helm
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Let me keep all my gear I bring into arena. I buy all my kits off the marketplace because I never find an entire BIS loadout on one toon. This system currently stated for arena would likely have most people just running squire gear. Or wasting tons of stash space to hold kits for different builds on that class. exploiters are going to exploit regardless, this hurts the regular players.

winter idol
meager jasper
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Stop nerfing rat because of crybabies. You've made it so it is neither stealthier nor a movement tech. It needs something.

tidal blade
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rats speed should have only been nerfs to 5% its only as fast as chicken now with no extra movement bonus like a 2nd jump (npc achers will still aimbot a rat) and the noise should be taken away or reduce severely can hear one from across a room and they squeak so damn often, also FIX THE DAM MOVMENT BUG WITH RAT FIRST!

vivid aspen
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Suggestion: dont make major changes 12 hours before rank end, not even maintainance lol

unkempt oriole
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i want slayer fighter can wear cloth headgear it bad when we can only wear leather cap

cunning mica
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Give warlocks kriss dagger back u scum bags - litterly just removed my warlock tanks build from the game

quasi arch
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Give Us down Portals for goblin caves, its just a PvP Based Map make a down portal and add a boss.

pale dust
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Game suggestion. Please for the love of god let the idea of multiclassing die.. and move on.

coral heron
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@keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip Great idea with the found/crafted system for arena. Only thins is it should be account wide like the new squire system, or else the game becomes too grindy, and players can't experiment and practice with more classes because they are limited to the looter/creator. Great system, please make it account wide. PLEASE keep your idea of account wide affinity for all vendors in ALL ways, crafting too. It will make ALL gear cheaper and lower gear fear in reg and HR while allowing cafters to keep bis and sell the rest or use the rest for norms an HR. Thanks for the great game and all the hard work, you guys are ROCKSTARS!

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You could use family name on crafted and loved items having the family name be the account name like "Greg 2chains" that way for arena all items around by the 2chains family will be able to be taken in amd not lost by any 2chains

short sorrel
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I've defended these Devs from the beginning but bringing multi classing back at this point in time is one of the worst decisions they've made to date

feral falcon
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So uh, what's the point of rat form if there's no ms bonus?

shell jewel
dusky kernel
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There’s also the yeti meta

indigo kindle
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Please get rid of Multi-Class. No one wants this and it breaks the game. Balancing is hard enough without it. When you allow multi classing, in order to balance appropriately, you'll have to nerf certain classes into the ground/remove playability without multi classing

mild lion
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Revert kris dagger removal from warlocks wtf? If daggers are too strong (and they are) then nerf them, don't take them off a class!

fair linden
mild lion
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And they didn't hit the other abuser of daggers?

fair linden
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Exactly

indigo kindle
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And they brought back the worst thing that ever happened to the game (
in case it wasn't clear... multi classing)

jolly leaf
indigo kindle
sturdy forge
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DaD done if they bring back multi classing

meager oasis
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PLEASE TAKE AWAY MULTI-CLASS FROM THE GAME

sturdy forge
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its just for the end of season, but if they do bring it back DaD is done

meager oasis
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Even having it for a day is dumb

sturdy forge
#

something fun to do i guess

meager oasis
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ya other games are fun til wipe, gonna go play those. I hated the last time they did multi-class. Just wasn't fun at all getting killed by ranger with poison or barb with sprint. Just an annoying thing to add to the game

sturdy forge
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very much so, lol i stopped playing DaD weeks ago, but im very interested in seeing how the game turns out

indigo kindle
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Its not remotely fun. It removes any point in playing the last few days. Some people already had that mentality but certainly not all. I was enjoying the game and practicing fresh wipe strats for the grind to come. Now its pointless with the multi classing. If they intend on keeping the multi classing I just uninstall again lol. 2k hours played, LOVE the game, hate whatever the fuck this is.

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Genuinely hope they remove it before wipe. I had some hours I planned on putting in. One person that loves the multiclassing release is my girlfriend, because now I wont be on the game all night (or at all) 😄

coral heron
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i have a very bad feeling about MC, I think it will end badly like last time. there should be like a MC mode or somthing, seprate from HR and norms

lethal shadow
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Fuck off, why is multi class back.. this was the worst decision ever

#

Not even the mobile version of your game has this damn problem, you can’t seriously be doing worst than your mobile counterpart

mild lion
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Why is the multi class RNG if it is back? If its supposed to be a silly end of season event then give people more tokens.

halcyon stream
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You can reroll them for like 50g

coral heron
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Im not gonna lie, if MC is just for after HR seasons, and then its gone during the next HR season till the end, and so on... that could be really fun. a nice way to keep the last week interesting, and to make ppl wanna use their left over gear. nice one @keen onyx @dawn grotto

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also lets ppl kind of test other classes

winter idol
indigo kindle
gloomy inlet
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Please bring back warlock Kris

indigo kindle
gloomy inlet
inland venture
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you guys cry too much on a different note gimmie my kris back

gloomy inlet
crude hill
coral heron
coral heron
coral heron
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I get this is a salty community, and i think most of can acknowledge how epic these devs are. they left a triple A company to follow their dream, got sued, won, and never stopped bringing us the game; even when they had to bit torrent it to us. they listen to our feedback, let us be salty and rage, don't hold us back in game (letting us voip opponents), and they patch or fix almost weekly. to the sleepless devs, especially @keen onyx @dawn grotto Thank you guys so much for this epic work in progress. i would encourage everyone else to share the love toward these amazing devs, they deserve it!

next void
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remove bear form for the game, im over it. just lost another player thats played since 2nd closed alpha and has over 1500 hours.

finite dagger
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soaking ice again i see

crude hill
coral heron
maiden linden
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why dont you make multiclassing a mode to select - why am I forced to play this?

split current
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I think it would be a good idea if the player count on Crypts is low to add a fee to skip ruins for the players who might not like the ruins map
Pros:

  1. Maybe more players in 2nd layer of ruins not sure of this personally
  2. Gold sink depending on the price of the fee (Obviously should also be limited to maybe a few times a day)
  3. Player liberty to chose what to play
  4. Increase in hell since I doubt most players will have enough motivation to do 3 runs to get to hell
  5. Maybe less geared Timmy killers since the players who are competent and want gear would skip Ruins to get to other players with much better loot

Cons:

  1. Would make ruins player base lower in higher geared lobbies
  2. Late wipe could really decrease the player base motivation to do ruins

Other then that i still haven't fully thought of more cons.

Misc.

  1. Would keep the hell materials and boss loot prices similar to older wipes (Excluding the dupe prices of current season)
dense oriole
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Devs panter jump dont work right now.

rich hamlet
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i just wanted to come by and suggest a more visually aiding artwork for items that belong to your allys, i dont want to have to hover over items and check for ally, so my suggestion is that you add a colored outline or something of that nature. some cool blue outlines would look dope

proper shadow
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Let’s get a vote guys thumbs up or down!
Give wizards/druids a debuff spell/skill they can hit someone with that give them minus MDR much like bards can lower PDR (via armor rating with the shriek)

astral geyser
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Please don't make runs > crypts > hell a thing. Doing hell quests takes so long that way and makes learning bossing not worth it at all

jolly leaf
proper shadow
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RELIGION: perhaps have a competition/end of season, rewards.
For example having challenges such as “most escapes” or “most boss kills” And which ever players belonging to the religions that hold those titles will receive extra end of season rewards

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ARENA: perhaps you can introduce a bit of a horde mode with two teams of 3 working together too fight off waves of AI and bosses

mild lion
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I feel like to balance multiclass they have to have "tiers" for each perk/skill/spell/etc, like tiers 1-4 and you have have some combination of those assigned to multiclass, always adding up to 4. So a Tier 2 Warlock/Tier 2 Fighter might have access to BoC as a lower tier skill, but not phantomize or demon as a higher tier skill. Example for warlock to just show what I'm talking about:

Tier 1: Spell Memory, Antimagic, Demon Armor, Blow of Corruption
Tier 2: Phantomize, Torture Mastery
Tier 3: Demon
Tier 4: Spell Memory 2, Dark Offering, etc

These are garbage assignments I thought about for less than it took to write them down, but basically you get access to more basic stuff at the earlier tiers. So you could do like Tier 3 one class and Tier 1 of another, or Tier 1 of four classes, etc.

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Numbers are arbitrary, just that you shouldn't be able to multiclass and cherry pick the most powerful stuff from each class.

jolly leaf
mild lion
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"Rework or Remove Ranger from the game" still #2 lol

jolly leaf
sinful thicket
warm ruin
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I'm sorry, why did Warlocks loose out on Kris Dagger? it's a Dagger... everyone should be able to use daggers in the first place... wow...

sinful thicket
warm ruin
sinful thicket
warm ruin
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this is insanity

sinful thicket
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they got confusing balance patches... Like people were complaining about 1 shot bear druid. Then they nerf panther. Then they buff bear. Then they nerf panther. I dont get it

warm ruin
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so, what am I supposed to use with the crystal ball now?

sinful thicket
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falchion i guess haha

warm ruin
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-25 move speed on top of the -15 from the ball? lol

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caster warlock in rags slower with crystal ball than a plate clad with their weapon drawn... "BALANCE"

sinful thicket
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xD

mild lion
warm ruin
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I'm actually incredibly frustrated by this

gloomy inlet
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I want my kris back iron mace

warm ruin
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I'm more frustrated by this than when they decided to make it so Rangers can't bring in their melee, bow and crossbow...

#

knee jerk reactions and band aid's are not balance Iron Mace

sinful thicket
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i guess legolas is only bow and aragorn is majority melee and some bow?

warm ruin
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speaking of the Falchion... can we get a rework on the swing pattern.... there is no reason it needs to swing 220 degrees from side to side so slow that it feels like I'm swinging through pudding

muted crag
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Give me my kris back, there was zero reason for this change.

valid mulch
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they obviously cant come up with new ideas. constantly going back to the old methods when the game was dead

jolly leaf
valid mulch
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player base was at the bottom when they brought multi class because its stupid... i quit that wipe and will quit next if its on the game. yes lets use current classes to bring uniqueness instead of adding new stuff to the game..

sinful thicket
slender crown
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I think a ANY Queue for a 4th map that also rotates by default should be allowed where solos, duos and trios can all play without caring, also can I say the old dungeon design from playtesting was really good it literally felt arcanic which was perfect for how dungeons are.

jolly leaf
valid mulch
sinful thicket
valid mulch
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why else add old update as fun... unles... the main intention is the to test it for future.. if they wanted to make it fun, they would increase loot drops, reduce merchant price all that. THIS IS A TEST FOR FUTURE

jolly leaf
valid mulch
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That sentence does not clariy its continuance

sinful thicket
valid mulch
sinful thicket
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"temporarily" "as an end of season event" they haven't said a word on it coming back eventhough there have been 3 qna's the last month-ish. Playerbase obviously don't want it either

valid mulch
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i truly hope thats the case.

chilly yew
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EXTEND SEASON FOR 24 HRS @keen onyx @wooden haven

earnest swift
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wtf bro forceful shot magic missles is insane

gilded garden
sinful bobcat
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the fact that people can run anti magic robust iron will and holy aura is fucking dumb. multiclassing removes casters from the game its not fun stop trying to make it a thing.

jolly leaf
gilded garden
gilded garden
sinful bobcat
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
gilded garden
sinful bobcat
jolly leaf
gilded garden
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i am a spell caster user and im actually enjoying being able to balance the warlock who got nerfed to garabge for no reason

gilded garden
sinful bobcat
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come back to me when you go against a fighter or barb (with sprint) with a full anti magic build that you do no damage to

wooden haven
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@keen onyx PLEASE ONE MORE HOUR FOR SEASON

gilded garden
sinful bobcat
gilded garden
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I treat pvpve games like this as pve with random mega bosses

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if multiclassing allows me to customize my abilities i dont care if it makes other players more powerful because they will kill me anyways

sinful bobcat
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when i throw 3 ice bolts and 3 magic missles at a fighter and hes not even 25% hurt this game is dumb

gilded garden
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my problem with the gaming industry right now is devs listen to the pros and as a not pro in anything their opinions suck for the average user

jolly leaf
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Could you both just stop it here?

Agree that you disagree and settle it

gilded garden
jolly leaf
gilded garden
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one last message, all of your and every other person who dislikes multiclass have an issue with the balanceing which doesnt exist

atomic reef
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FIX SOUTH AMERICA SERVERSSS

river jay
# gilded garden one last message, all of your and every other person who dislikes multiclass hav...

Multiclass breaks all aspects of balancing. Multiclass is a flavor that is only good for so long, before everyone grows tired and began to optimize everything. We had this issue last wipe, and things were nerfed due to being able to place them anywhere. And still have not received changes to revert them to how they were before. Hell, caltrops is still beyond useless.

I understand it is end of wipe. I understand it is one last hurrah before the next wipe. However, people sometimes prefer consistency, and multiclass is the death of consistency and class identity. A simple fix is not possible without destroying the perk for the original class

gilded garden
sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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i didnt have a pc long before release

#

on that subject with you

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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just because ive only had my pc for 2 years doesnt mean i cant have opinions on videogames iwas console for long before that

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and just because im bad at the game doesnt mean i dont understand it

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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im not talking about pvp im talking about an aspect of the game that also affects me

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you cant call me new when ive played it for 2 years

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im not good at player versus player tactics thats an aspect of how i play games and im incapable of keeping focus on a training grind to get better

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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its been out for nearly 2 years and again im not talking about pvp the multiclass effects those who dont want to or are bad at pvp because it can effect pve too

sharp stirrup
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but it hasn't been out for two years, its only just been the first anniversary Skull

gilded garden
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your the kind of person to selectivly read arent you im saying multiclass only ruins pvp because its not balanced

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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with balancing it wouldnt ruin pvp it would boost it but because any class can get any abilities right now it makes all encounters unpredictable

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so we've devolved to spelling correction huh

sharp stirrup
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this popcorn is delicious

gilded garden
sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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my only issue with his statemnts is he assumes hes the average player he is above that and that he ignored the fact that multiclass needed to be balanced to continue existing while saying it shouldnt exist

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if dungeons and dragons can work fine with multclassing this game can too

river jay
# gilded garden with balancing it wouldnt ruin pvp it would boost it but because any class can g...

This is kinda a non-answer as anything can be balanced to not make pvp shit. You might be a casual gamer, one who doesn't take it seriously. You aren't great at pvp, and have admitted to not wanting to get better.

Any balancing can make things better, or worse. However, to balance multiclassing would be a massive undertaking. There is many ways to do it, but it would be best to never attempt to balance it and maybe keep it exclusively an end wipe event. We would have to go through multiple wipes to balance it, which it would be better used to create content and better QoL aspects.

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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you just arent accepting logic

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the simplest form of balance that i think would work is limit multiclass to the passive abilities this leaves what i like about it wihtout allowing super powerful attacks

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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thats the thing tho pve and story games are boring because they arent to my interest

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social interaction is what keeps me playing games and pvpve is the only version where thats ensured

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pvp games are always fulll of smurfing sweats and pve usually require having exturnal friends

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survival are the worst they never have any goal to keep me focused

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and helldivers is just stupid in general

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your dealing wiht someone who both wont back down on my opinion and your anger only gives me enjoyment

river jay
# gilded garden the simplest form of balance that i think would work is limit multiclass to the ...

I see where you're going with this, and I personally believe it would still lead to issues. You can get a bonus 11 extra damage on top of a rapier with only passive perks. You could lower that to just 11 extra damage, but then we have buffs to worry about. A warlock with a rapier who also has spells to buff himself can lead to a lot of damage.

Only way it'd work in the short term is perk bans. Ban the most powerful perks and abilities from classes and label them as core aspects of it. Only issue, is that it can still lead to broken combos. Only way this would be balanced is not allow abilities, and only let perks be shared with diminished results. Jokester only giving +1 instead of 2, Sprint having one less stack, etc.

gilded garden
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i have a full concept of the game you see it as just pvp and it isnt just pvp

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you are clearly upset tho and im still getting entertained the only way this stops is if you stop entertaining me

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that is why i dont care even if they are fully optimized its still gonna end with me dead

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only fights ive won are those where the oponents made a mistake before fighting me

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sorry a filthy casual thinks your early stage sweatlordness opinion is dumb

river jay
gilded garden
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that isnt endgame that is just useing the game as a medium to win

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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the more you try and antagonizer the less i care about your opinion

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oh no i was typing fast and didnt spell check before sending

gilded garden
sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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no no it doesnt it tells you its bad meaning you still need to spell check

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not in this one pvpve doesnt get it because it doesnt make sense but most pvp they advertise as having skill based matchmaking

sharp stirrup
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not once has skill based been advertised

gilded garden
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as i said it doesnt make sense for pvpve what this game is

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in pure pvp you have metrics on how well a person does but in pvpvethe variable of npc enemies makes it impossible

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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in no instance have any of your responses actually shown that youve read the whole response with understanding of the conversation

mild lion
gilded garden
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you are straight up nitpicking whatever you can to counter me

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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i geuss mods are at work

sharp stirrup
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the purge begins!

gilded garden
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either that or he decided to remove all his side of the convo

sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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welp over an hours of covno has ended bored now

sharp stirrup
sinful bobcat
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i dont want my name affiliated with your silly takes so im removing them

gilded garden
sharp stirrup
gilded garden
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im finding entertainment in this life is boreing as hell for me

sinful bobcat
errant vale
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FIX SA SERVERS

sharp stirrup
river jay
gilded garden
sinful bobcat
acoustic birch
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Is there we can put suggestions about the game and its current state?

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Like right now I haven't played much of the multiclassing and I have no doubt that there will be good and bad things to come. I read some of the conversation above about the pvp and such. My main focus above everything right now is that they need to introduce more GS Brackets

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I was at 197 just now and got instantly killed by a survival bow. When looking at my killer they were at 598 gear score with only their equipped gear and a few surgery kits. That is insane. I'm not about PVP but I understand it is necassary sometimes. However, wtf was I supposed to do there. I was in Greens and a couple blues fighting people in maxed out Gear.

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I feel like that is a big reason of why <25 is such a hostile unforgiving place besides the no risk no lose gear situation. Because as soon as their gear passes that 125 you get curb stomped. So why do that when you can just win fights against newbies or people just trying to quest in <25?

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Plus the amount of people that play this game without VOIP at all when it is such a unique part of the game is insane. Like as far as I am concerned it is a huge part of the experience. I haven't met many characters that have been toxic as much as the silent people. People who have it turned off and just mindlessly kill people. Again, I understand that some people come for PvP. That is fine. It's just painful. to get 2 shot by a survival bow the one time I try and go medium gear. I can't match that. I just wanted to try and fight a boss. And I got spawn rushed. The balancing across the board needs to be tweaked and it may never be right but as for the gear score brackets this is getting rough

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If the bracket restrictions are because of low population at those numbers then there is a problem but I will confidently tell you that just mashing low and high together will not play out well in the long run.

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I played a game called Starsiege: Deadzone in its early Alpha/Beta phases. The game was an extraction shooter that becuase of low population became a case of 3 people that could just run around in the best gear and kill newer people that were actually new. People would pop into the discord and ask about it. It was punishing and it sank a large part of the game in my opinion.

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That game is abandoned rn. I don't mean to insult or belittle the devs in anyway

sinful bobcat
acoustic birch
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I just don't want to see another game of this genre rip itself apart

sinful bobcat
acoustic birch
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No, deadzone didn't last long. It was allegedly a scam in all accounts when you look back at it.

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so is star citizen i swear its a money laundering scheme

acoustic birch
# sinful bobcat the reason you got spawn rushed is because the pvp players hate multiclassing (m...

On a note about multiclassing. I have not played sub 25 since multiclassing came out again. Nor did I play the game till after multiclassing was gone. I picked up the game shortly after it came available on steam again. So everything stated above has nothing to do with multiclassing though I have no doubt that it doesn't help with the higher level balancing. It would make total sense. I like the idea of it though. But it def needs to be balanced a good bit.

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I am speaking strictly from single class sub 25. :3

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as for your woes with gear score you were at 197 which is big boi lobbies. stay below 125 and you should have fun

acoustic birch
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I completely understand balancing is difficult and I am glad they actively change things regularly. You are right that it does hurt... Cough Cough Fireball... Cough Cough

sinful bobcat
gilded aspen
acoustic birch
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I know I don't mean to chop up the community a lot. That is something I recognize but the way weapons add gear score makes it really hard to want to do anything when a green weapon means I have to deal with a full legendary wizard with a temper tantrum and the bloodlust of a barbarian

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Its like someone going into a game: "I got a blue sword! Oh theres god!"

cyan wharf
sinful bobcat
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could always go full magic counter with iron will anti magic holy aura and robust

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legit takes wizards out of the game entirely. totally fair and balanced

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My biggest thing with the Bracket argument is mainly this: You've got a safe bracket of 25-124 and that's great. However. If you want to explore this cool blue piece you got that puts you at 140. I should not be put in a lobby with a 600 Gear Score Player that is the point I am trying to make. Because the people that play that way are far more into PVP and that's fine. But I won't survive long enough to see those silly little mistakes. Have some modesty. I like questing and PVEing a lot more. So I tend to avoid PvP most of the time. So I was running a mostly green luck build. However I had a blue amulet and a blue sword. That's all that wasn't Green I think. I think just saying essentially "Skill issue" is bad taste. Especially since I am tried to make it clear that there was a problem but I am not the end all be all of solutions. It's just something that bothered me and I just wanted to see it considered.