suggestion-discussion

[honest marten]

It's just problematic because we have solo, duo, trio. Then you split those into 3 different queues depending on gear quality and now you have 9 different queues rather than 6, mind you most play in highroller anyway. Then you have the karma system, which will then make it harder to get the randoms for the queue you are looking for depending on gear and which you are looking for, duo or trio. IMO, it's just a lot of matchmaking systems that would have to work together, work well, and you need a playerbase to facilitate it.

If you are using karma to adjust who you get matchmade with that is.

But at the end of the day, in an ideal world, maybe splitting the gear once more makes sense for queues. I just don't know if it is realistic, especially since IM is already looking at queue times, full lobbies, and so on. If it is already a problem, this seems likely to only exacerbate it.

[pure summit]

In terms of games that mimic the core aspects of the game: PvEvP, gear system, gear-gap, skill-gap, MMR system, etc. it's pretty close if you think about it.

Tarkov, and Showdown don't really equate that well because they don't have powerful gear systems, and much higher TTK.

(Mainly talking in terms of balancing the game using LoL as an example of balance in another gear-system game with counter classes)

[buoyant zenith]

I have an idea for arena, tho idk if anyone has said this before: what if arena was tournament style where solos or teams face against another team, the better you do, the better gear you get. You can enter in white gear vs white gear or bis vs bis. But you have to pay to enter, you can’t just get free loot right?

[plucky fulcrum]

Since this multiclass system is going to be implemented and locked behind level 100, there needs to be matchmaking that will seperate the sub level 100s from the no lifers like myself who play everyday. I can already for see absolute chaose and a drop off of player baee if this is not implemented quickly because there is no way they will be able to compete against certain builds (in hr lobbies if)

[honest marten]

As an avid Hunt player, over 2k hours, I'd say it is closer than League, which I have also played a lot of. TTK's are similar, depending on what weapons are brought and gear difference between players in DaD. Butttttt, there is a lot of differentiation too. Idk that I would compare them without this exact conversation. You get a lot of gear gap and such in hunt but only at player choice, as the economy is mainly there so you don't run the crazy good stuff every round. There just isn't a game that I can accurately compare DaD to, so to do so is an injustice in it's own right.

[elfin vale]

@neon meadow wya bro im on ur side now

rogue change went way too far the game is doomed etc etc rename rogue to victim

[languid spoke]

On top of the multi-class system i hope they add a specialization system 🙂

[neon meadow]

🤣

[glacial sphinx]

Yeah imo that would be the best

[strong grotto]

1. "meaning that you can never gain an advantage in PvP through gear" - you believe that? You really do, that there is a possibility on achieving THIS? Mate, I have a nice shiny bridge with your name on it, just sign here.
2. "you can "rat" as an alternative way to win" - so you acknowledge there is more than one way to win. Yay. You progress through evolution with stunning rate. I am proud of you. Now I'd love to you to realize, that snowballing IS NOT FUN to anyone involved. If you really manage to snowball - you lose the challenge. And most games will end in surrender. What a fun way to retain player base, when you lose all of your gear to someone snowballing. The gear you worked for many days by the way, and you can't get it all back in 10-15 minutes of play time like you can in LoL. TLDR - your argument is invalid. And, please, stop comparing LoL to DaD.
3. Mate. You swing. You hit. Enemy can't block you with anything but shield or highly limited set of weapons. Mobility and damage output are kings. You are CONSTANTLY checked if you have better move speed and if you have more damage per swing, than the enemy does. This is stat checking. No dodges, blocks, no parries or feints for all classes and weapons, extremely limited and slow swings. And, yes, I agree that more seasoned player will use all those "parkour" (if you even can call it as such in this game), doors, throwables and all other garbage he can find in his inventory. Yet even the most seasoned player will be simply outmatched at some point and overpowered. Your skills and "foor work" means NOTHING before someone who runs at you at MK5 with huge axe while throwing smaller axes. Your skill means NOTHING when you step into a trap and deleted with purple bow. Your skill means NOTHING when you simply step onto geared rogue (Hello landmine meta! You aren't missed.). There is influence of skill. Mostly it is simply stat check.

[honest marten]

I wonder how impactful multi-classing is going to be.

[pure summit]

My main point was that any gear game with PvP is cursed to eternal imbalances, you'll always run into people with more gear, or less. My argument was against Gear based matchmaking since it kills the whole point of the game, and one of the very things that drew everyone in in the first place. — He called me a thug for thinking this way.

It's much better to have a skill-based matchmaking.

[strong grotto]

"fighter will typically win this fight when both are geared" - yes. Fighter, who is supposed to be counter for barbs will. IF geared. Notice the big IF, please.

No, I am not new player and didn't join this month, lol. My opinion will improve if the game will improve. Especially in what concerns about battle system. BTW, here's my suggestions on improving it:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/531048/the-improvements-you-should-borrow-from-your-games-clone

[honest marten]

I don't mind gear restriction in the way that they are now, but I wouldn't want much more restrictions than what we have.

[honest marten]

But I do wish it went up to green quality for normals. Just to allow for majority of items found in normals to be used in normals.

Waiting for a blunderbuss to be added. I want to destroy my eardrums to hurt my enemies.

Also, skill based matchmaking can somewhat determine gear in a lobby. People who suck are prolly not going to have incredible gear. And if they are carried by their gear they will lose it soon enough as their mmr meets the place their skill can't handle.

[pure summit]

1. uh... huh? Are you taking my words out of context or are you saying that you can have equal gear and still have gear advantage? Either way, incorrect.

2. That's literally the point of extraction games.... what.... Again, not the game for you if you want a wipe every week, or gear matchmaking.

3. Again, this depends on matchup, fighter vs Barbarian will be much more stat-checky than other matchups. — This is likey the MOST stat-check matchup in the game, however, you still have crossbow and throwables, if you outplay them on that end, you can still win on either side, even with significantly lower gear. — Of course, if they COMPLETELY outgear you, don't fight, simple as that. — Traps: learn to expect certain locations to have traps, always check. Landmine rogues: toxic mechanic that shouldnt' exist in PvP games for the most part.

[strong grotto]

Greens will destroy normals and the market. You can become pretty much unkillable with right greens enchantments. And, since normals are supposed to be the place for new and "poor" people to find their gear, you will just stomp through lobbies. Normals already is a war zone most of the time.

[honest marten]

Lol. I've definitely killed green geared people with white gear. It's not horribly hard, but I do play warlock.

[pure summit]

True, but greens with max damage roll on everything is mathematically somehwere around ~50-70% of the power of a full purple kit. They would have to reduce roll ranges for green (+1 damage, instead of 3) and ramp them up on blues and up for that to work imo.

[honest marten]

That's fair. Welll stated equipment is very strong.

It's doable, it just might be more difficult than we should put new players against.

And certain classes might just get rolled. Lol.

I just miss TM warlock.

[strong grotto]

1. I've pointed out on how dumb your take is. You can only separate people by tier of the equipment realistically, and if you say that all, as example, purples are equal in power - you are beyond reasoning.
2. Point of extraction game is to extract with more than you had. It is frustrating to fail at it, it is infuriating to lose all to someone you can't even touch, because how deep the gap in equipment you have. PvP games need to be balanced on the start of your run. You either all start naked or at least supposed to have comparable levels of equipment. After all the gear is multiplier of your skill.
3. In your continuation of strawmaning your point you sound more and more silly. You can, you could, you might, you would... You sound like all those "gurus of martial arts" who teach you how to stop a knife with a pencil. Is it possible? Yeah. Can ALL of us do it? NOPE. And this one "if they COMPLETELY outgear you, don't fight, simple as that" is completely stupid. Sure, it is ME to decide whether I want to fight barbarian that decided to open a door next to me with his axe, it is for ME to decide if I want to fight this rogue out of invisibility (invis has no place in the game, make it chameleon or remove, hot take), it is for ME to decide whether I want to catch those 3 arrows in my temple from ranger. Dude, you are not able to chose all the fights. And most of the time, if you aren't playing the most meta and the most aggressive things in the game RIGHT NOW, you are on the defense and in the ambush. This game needs some THOROUGH rebalancing.

[obsidian cipher]

🥸

[pure summit]

1. You've completely misunderstood my point... You think I'm talking about matching people by exact gear attributes? No. — Obviously it would be by rarity or "gear score" (rarities combined). Realistically a lot of people would just smurf by going BiS greens or Blues and stromping the lobby, the same issue would arise because it's the attributes that matter, not the rarity. — You can have blues that are much better than legendaries for example. — This would end up leading to players not using gear unless it's absolutely Best in Slot, because if they put on a sub-optimal piece of gear, they've not put themselves at a disadvantage. (Others will be using BiS in every slot).

2. It's called a wipe... It's going to happen today, so your point it mute. Of course if you come into the game at the tail end of the wipe and have no gear at all you're not going to have a great time. (Even though if you're good you can snowball quickly, just watch Repoze, etc. creating fresh characters). — What you REALLY want, is a battle royale game, where you start with nothing and find gear on the way to the center. — This is NOT that game, however, I've suggested they make a BR mode for players such as yourself.

3. How is telling you how to outplay your opponnents silly? You're saying it's "99%" gear, I'm saying it's more like 66% at most, unless you're literally default. — I used to think the way you do until I got much better, now I know I can beat gold teams with blues. (most gold teams kind of suck if you know what the mistakes to look for are.)

4. They just made rogue stealth have a movement effect... Are you even reading the patch notes? Also, you shouldn't have much problem with rogues as fighter. Barbs are very noisy, and should be easily avoidable.

It's almost like your playing an FPS game and complaining that guns need to be removed because your aim is bad... Or that you shouldn't have queens in chess because it get's too complicated... Isn't that just a plain ol' skill issue?

[pure summit]

"And most of the time, if you aren't playing the most meta and the most aggressive things in the game RIGHT NOW, you are on the defense and in the ambush. This game needs some THOROUGH rebalancing."

Bruh... Fighter is one of the most meta things in solos... You're running sprint second wind slayer fighter or falchion heater crossbow right?

— Keep in mind that many players who simply got outplayed blame gear a lot more than they should. If they watched back objectively they would notice they missed like 2-3 swings and got hit by everything of the opponent. Many are quick to blame gear-gap, when many times it had nothing to do with the fight.

[elfin vale]

u guys are barking barking wowzers

rename rogue to victim

[daring trail]

league of legends = dark and darker

you nerds need to go outside until the game comes up or something, spewing literal nonsense in here rn lol

If the game is that BAD to you and that unbalanced.. just stop playing??

If the gear disparity is too much for you in HR, then go farm normals in your equal gear until you can buy a better set.

IMO its way easier to run HR and just gear up through chests tho- legit get out 1 run of HR and you have a set of blues/purples. probably missing rings but you have everything else

Last season the only thing to really be afraid of was gold-gamers. and you can VISUALLY see gold gear on people lol

just relax, play the new wipe, give constructive feedback, quit, and come back next wipe when (hopefully) the game gets better

only thing i really agree with here is they need to stop restricting the maps- i fucking hate GC, but if i wanna play in a solo lobby my only choice is gc.... dumb shit

[limber dock]

bro says that while having written 15 lines and paid big attention to the server while the game was down...

[somber wind]

I feel like not being able to see what you're going to craft is a mistake, it leans away from crafting your own items and more so to buying other peoples crafted items from the market. It helps the market sure but it hurts the drive of the individual player to craft it themself since it is exceptionally likely that crafting it yourself will be a waste of money. In addition items being sold by merchants shouldn't have their modifiers be obfuscated either since it just guarantees people to only buy from the marketplace and not from merchants.

There should be an integrated perks page for each class showing what their basic abilities are since although Ambush and Shadow Runner can be added to Hide's description, Pickpocket and Hidden Pockets don't have anywhere they're mentioned and will be not known for new players, same for Ranger's Enhanced Hearing (Chase you'll notice but knowing why it's happening is good).

Lastly, I don't think increasing the stats of gear is a good idea. The stats scaling with rarity was already a problem.

[tulip venture]

I’m concerned about the phrasing “not be able to see what you’re going to craft” I makes it seem like it’s predetermined and cheats could show what they are potentially

[somber wind]

It'll just be like before where the item you're buying is not actually the item you're getting; like the goblin merchant before but you know the rarity of the item.

[wooden zephyr]

While I would agree, I also think lower populations is a marketing problem and shouldnt be an issue passed down to the players in terms of balancing issues. It makes for a mixed experience IMO. Like why make players have to deal with that when there is an option to have potentially smaller lobbies but its fights worth having? This would improve content from users as well which helps with marketing, IDK.

[tulip venture]

Oh yeah I know but I’m talking about on the back end

[somber wind]

Yee that's what I was saying, the item itself in the shop isn't actually an item in that circumstance. The modifiers on it are blank modifiers with no functionality and it spawns loot in your inventory when you buy it with modifiers applied at that time.

[tulip venture]

I understand that should be to make it harder to cheat but like cheats can see inside chests not sure how luck effects it now but do you know for sure what data is actually there?

And if you do know for sure how?

[somber wind]

The closest you could get is if you could figure out the seed for how it gives modifiers you could guess whatever the next loot that woud spawn is but in merchants and otherwise.

[tulip venture]

But what I’m asking is are you sure it’s a seed and not just actual modifiers covered up and how you know for sure

[somber wind]

No I don't.

[warm fulcrum]

NO LONGSWORD IN SQUIRE FOR WARLOCK WTF

[swift isle]

fixe your game I want to click on play

[sick heart]

spawned on top of someone in goblin caves. SICK

[tiny mason]

🇬 🇮 🇻 🇪 🎷 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🎷 🇸 🇦 ❌ 🅾️ 🅿️ 🇭 ⭕ 🇳 🇪

[civic zodiac]

wtf this ping limit. i am from east canada and even from us east server i cant login cuz of ping limit.... how peoples are supposed to play?

[wheat mirage]

Party Maker
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly removes the drunk debuff and extends any buffs related to Ale based on Persuasiveness"

Encore
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly applies a buff increasing your play speed by a flat 25% for 10 seconds. Stacks 2 times.

Dissonance
"Add 3 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly increases any debuff duration they cause by the greater of either 30% or 2 seconds."

[fiery portal]

suggestion - First week after wipe no trade and marketplace

[thorny hollow]

Fire cape skin

[merry kestrel]

Add longsword to fighter squire thank you

[obsidian spear]

arcane lock needs counterplay in hell as you cant break the doors we just locked a team in a room till the game ended with 0 counterplay options from the other team

[clear sapphire]

Could they not take the long way through other doors?

[obsidian spear]

they kited into there spawn room

but even if they did you have 9 charges that last 20 sec that come back in like 2 seconds of sitting you can basicly lock down any push if your holding zone and most portals in hell spawn in one room

[worn pagoda]

Bro... the one weapon that has a cult following isn't on fighter from Squire. Give a junk long sword to Squire for fighter. You nailed every bit of the squire except the one weapon to make it worth it.

[honest marten]

At the end of the day, it's a give and take.

[main perch]

a super cool suggestion i came up with is not having the blacksmith logo block my screen for 30 seconds when launching the app

[ripe yoke]

It is near impossible to stay to the end on frost map and stil make it out along with crypts punishes you for staying to kill people is there anyway to get a refund? I thought after the wipe the game would improve but they have made it 100 times worse

[clear sapphire]

It’s not that bad. Ice caves is a shit map, and I refuse to play it rn, but gc and crypts aren’t horrible.

[ripe yoke]

ice maps is awful awful forcing duos on the absolute terrible ass map obviously people hate it so they forced people into it and crypts still has next to no blues i understand they want to force hell still feels terrible

[clear sapphire]

I understand what you mean, it’s annoying. Especially since they decreased drop rates. I think they want more of an emphasis on bossing in goblin caves. I wish they would add a rotation along with the normal 3 options. 6 queues is not that bad and is definitely doable. @keen onyx

[stray sierra]

shadow touch should scale with physical healing since it doesnt scale with magical healing. it makes no sense that it doesn't scale with one of these and it 100% should

[stiff relic]

Can we get utility items to go in our belt slots automatically on pick-up again? As a Bard main drum reloading is now tedious which also makes breaking barrels/boxes a hassle~

[reef cosmos]

@granite plinth i've killed 3 ghostkings and im still lvl7, aintnoway they destroyed the leveling

[queen vector]

Please figure out how to let us swap inventory space with other items that are the exact same size

[fallen copper]

please bring back map rotation and make it 5 minute rotations and everyone can play the maps they want and be happy

[hollow grotto]

Make it so squire gives the instruments and atleast 4 slots of consumables for bard, otherwise bard gets less instruments or less consumables, where as everything else has more than enough, with torches bard gets 1 consumable slot for free, kinda silly imo

[eternal dock]

Give solos more than one map, killing a large portion of this games population forcing Goblin Caves.

[sick sinew]

anybody else feel that these quests are too easy and boring?? not to mention, i dont see the same kind of incentive to do quests since it doesnt appear the merchants offer discounts or more of a selection??

[compact epoch]

in about 3 weeks we can play again once there 8 HR a day players are done

[heady steeple]

Id like a way to view all current quests. Like a quest log or something simliar, its difficult going through each merchant to check what i need to do.

[queen vector]

Why give us quest rewards that aren't in stacks... 1st quest for Woodsman gives 3 explosive bottles. C'mon. So many frustrating design choices that you guys continue to make

[sharp cape]

NERF SPIDERS

[main perch]

lmao being pissy about getting punished for being greedy

[tender warren]

Map selection would be BIS ironmace

[nocturne crane]

remove static exists

[ripe yoke]

Naw just fighting till everyone you can find is dead should be a punishment later ranking why’s for leaving without a player kill

[light hound]

This sounds like such a nit pick lol

[queen vector]

Sure, it might be minor in the scheme of things, but I encourage you to look at the history of suggestions that I have posted. This is small, easily fixed and seems like a common sense thing to do for the game. I enjoy the game a lot with over 500 hours played since I purchased in Oct 23'. I have seen Ironmace make some good changes to the game during this time, and I have seen them overlook a lot of low hanging fruit changes.

I desperately want this game to succeed because it has such an amazing core gameplay loop. But more than ever after this wipe, I am starting to loose faith that they will be able to see this project through to what it has the potential to be.

[graceful frost]

you cant expect the very small dev team to focus on random small nit picky issues when other things are much higher priority. your acting like the game will die becuase your explosive bottles don't stack xD.

[queen vector]

This isn't about the explosive bottles

[graceful frost]

then whats it about? that the devs are looking at miniscule inconveniences and are looking at bigger issues and higher priority things

[queen vector]

Like I said, take a look at my history of suggesstions

[timid palm]

why does shadow touch seem better on rogue

[azure bison]

guys where can i find free key for 10 days to give to my friend

[twin beacon]

I can't believe they canceled High Roller Rewards from last season. So Lame!!!!!!

[cerulean fossil]

Still no tab for all quests?

[devout jasper]

i assure you it's very good on warlock

[summer cedar]

Remove frost Mountain from duo this is the most unfun experience imaginable and i hate being forced to play it since i'm playing with a friend. REMOVE THIS GARBAGE MAP.

give it to trio queue or something just not duo ffs

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539721/armor-proficiency-fighter-perk

[vale jay]

AGREED

[azure bison]

anyone else is disgusted with the cloak skin for demi? like its literally just dots not stars

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539726/cooldown-for-bards-music

[dull nexus]

ruins as duo map would be great 👍

[azure bison]

SUGGESTION: repaint demigod reward cloak skin thanks

[tulip venture]

Is there a screen shot any where of it?

[azure bison]

i sent you DM with few screenshots i wish i never grinded demigod tbh

[tulip venture]

Damn we got twilight vampire capes instead of cloaks of midnight

[meager jasper]

once again stating that ironmace should make maps fully random or allow selection but add quickplay that randomly feeds into them with an added benefit.

Also, while we're at it, the fact they released this major patch, again with multiple obvious problems, without first using their playtest version to give it any sort of testing, is hilariously dumb. Do they not know what these things are for?

You should not be using the second test version to try one or two things out in a controlled environment, you should be testing game builds there because your track record with game builds is terrible so far. You also tend to introduce things people clearly don't like and then have no real place for feedback on it, whereas if this stuff was tested people could quickly tell you things like "this grind is painful" "market doesn't work." "don't like that the maps are now restricted." in your actual test server feedback.

[tulip venture]

📢DISAGREE 📢

[meager jasper]

I know you disagree with the first point, but just to be clear, do you also mean the second?

[tulip venture]

Not entirely there’s definitely room for improvement with what’s added to the test environment I don’t think they have quite decided what they’re willing to “spoil” by putting it on the test server yet

[meager jasper]

I don't think they should be concerned with spoilers at this stage in development.

[tulip venture]

For example if they put Druid on the test server from its earliest version there would be 0 hype when it drops and no spike in players

[meager jasper]

It harms the game more when they under-deliver on what they're putting out. People have given plenty of feedback on demon form being worthless for instance, and druid being based on that mechanic is already a terrible idea they'll under-deliver on. They should be putting these patches out for testing, and then addressing the issues with them, instead of moving immediately on to the next piece of content.

And just so we're clear, demon form is awful. Essentially worthless. It could only be used essentially as a speed exploit before, but it was still terrible compared to a regular caster warlock. They don't seem to understand the basic math behind the transformation resulting in chip damage.

I have zero hype for druid right now, even if they fix map selection. That's how badly this transformation mechanic is implemented. And I really, really tried to make it work for a while.

I also don't think they should be catering to arbitrary spikes in players when in reality constant negligent patches chase people away at a consistent rate. Deal with problems before you start thinking about selling the product. The more you damage your image the less trust you will have. Take this patch for example, I'm not playing it despite a few new things being added. As far as I can tell they've straight downgraded the game.

[brazen flume]

Any chance we can get discord channels for each class? So I can go ask warlock things instead of sifting through the over crowded channels

[tulip venture]

There is one check my discord rolls

Go to channels and rolls in the top left

[azure bison]

its gonna get reskinned i hope so

[next tangle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539745/change-the-matchmaking

[stuck dove]

just spawned in a room with 2 other people is this intended?

[hallow flare]

I knew they were prob going to look like ass, but I ended up convincing myself to go for it anyways ‘cause of the 1% chance the cloak looked good, I’d have been pissed. At least all the other ranked rewards are awesome

[meager jasper]

Just as an aside as well. Sallet helms without visors look disgusting. Great with. Dumb without.

[hallow flare]

I don’t want to touch new gobo caves tbh, seems like it’s just the arena mode they promised but it came early lmao

[queen vector]

Real legit suggestion. Sell the IP, let another studio take a crack at realizing this game's potential. Recent changes are a step in the wrong direction.

[wheat mirage]

Party Maker
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly removes the drunk debuff and extends any buffs related to Ale based on Persuasiveness"

Encore
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly applies a buff increasing your play speed by a flat 25% for 10 seconds. Stacks 2 times.

Dissonance
"Add 3 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly increases any debuff duration they cause by the greater of either 30% or 2 seconds."

[static turret]

yes its fun af

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[wooden zephyr]

Lol that's everything in life? 🤣
I just agree that better balances would make for better content and lead to better marketing which would in turn fill the lobbies.
Not sure about all the other comparatives ppl bring, its just logic to me better fights = better promo = MOAR PPL
The alternative is unbalanced giving either frustrated or bored players which may lead to less players, lets say they do focus more on marketing while not addressing balance issues. There's a chance the new players coming in might do what everyone does on steam, try it for a day and go meh and just stop or ask for refund while they can.

[outer lotus]

Pls make lvl 50 the cap or something. Lvl 100 is gonna take months for anyone with a life

[limpid prawn]

Gating the quests by time feels kinda bad ngl

[lost gorge]

Duos are ruined again with forced WIP map that only has one level. And the map offers worse experience than Crypt (some players will stay at their spawns next to static exits and leave). Duos should have Crypt/Ruins + Hell. And Ice Mountain should be a 4th map with a rotating group sizes. So everyone can enter it.

[weary creek]

Just played my first game back in months, and died to "Kill Volume" (falling into a pit and instantly dying) in the Frost Caves map. Glad to see the developers are still making half baked low IQ decisions like putting things like this in the game!

[bright crystal]

please fix ice cave too many mobs 0 pvp

[past elm]

Also toxic that if you're chasing a geared player they can jump in the void when near death and you get nothing

[hot hemlock]

Idk seeing a black void and being surprised you die when you fall into it is pretty funny if you ask me

[dreamy inlet]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[upper hearth]

Make any teaming in goblin caves against a player a bannable offence (not perma, just a few days). Goblin caves is not solo rn, it's just a worse version of crypts.

[granite plinth]

So Death cam is a bit of a fail . Found a hacker already with way above action speed where he basicly hit me twice in 0.5 seconds. With no agitity or buffs. (stats items etc) Tried to report and it kick me out of the game and death cam

[upper hearth]

Ikr? It won't let you even keep the recording. The time for bans is also insane, chances are you'll queue up with the same guy in 2 or 3 matches or tomorrow

[granite plinth]

its that or theres a arming sword abuse people using where they can by pass weapon animations to hit faster

[pine comet]

I assume it isn’t adrenaline rush

[granite plinth]

nope

[upper hearth]

Honestly, this wipe feels fun but also probably the most broken it has been. I feel like all the fun I'm currently having is due to it being a fresh wipe and not the new changes.

[summer epoch]

We need some sort of Heal on kill. If IM is going to push pvp especially in goblin caves then we need to be able to fight without it having such a negative impact on the dungeon run. Even winning fights doesn't seem worth it most of the time when you come out the other side and have to use all your heals. Not to mention the condition your in after 2 or 3 fights. And we need inferno portals on all maps if your going to lock the maps to duo trio and solo. Everyone wants to play crypts for the inferno level but no everyone is playing in a full squad of 3.

[primal spindle]

i remember a while ago u could cancel animations with a lantern

[upper hearth]

Totally agree on the inferno part, it's actually mind boggling they started making an arena mode before merging crypt hell with goblins and ice, or making a custom hell

[granite plinth]

yeah but it was a shield. Death can replay he finish combo animation in 0.5 seconds

[primal spindle]

damn idk than

[upper hearth]

Is there a way to save the deathcam?

[granite plinth]

atm no. But you can probably record a video. Which I didn't know if you click out it won't let you report

[woven mortar]

add solo rotation for the maps or allow solos to que for whatever map they want GC is insufferable and i see so many people just soloing trios, which when everyone is more geared is going to drive people away from playing because a large majority hates the GC

[upper hearth]

Plate warlock has to be the most useless perk right now...... With move speed & ranged meta going on you are literally a sitting duck. It's like if you took a barbarian, gave him an op melee ability and shattered his knee caps. There needs to be some sort of ranged option with a significant draw back, cause right now taking 10 seconds with halfway decent gear to launch a curse is non-viable.

[hot hemlock]

Dont use plate then

[pine comet]

Plate warlock makes no sense since they just added in plate without restriction for them

[outer lotus]

PLS give us back rotations

[summer epoch]

They wouldn’t even have to make a custom inferno for the different maps. Just give me the same layout from crypts and adjust the player count. I think that would make things way more interesting for the other maps.

[upper hearth]

Anyone else' server just crash?

[wise walrus]

Give wizards longsword so I can play gandalf.

[arctic gust]

I beg of you ron mace this needs to be brought back!

[void nacelle]

Add a third difficulty akin to a "Mid Roller" with the gear cap being rare

[next tangle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539830/limit-the-throwables

[proud sigil]

Add more junk weapons on squire

[bitter kestrel]

make the waiting room destructable environment and the bar has free ale to drink during warmup

[wooden zephyr]

Whats the point of the quests again? Im not getting any advantage beyond "heres some stuff where rngsus hates your current class"? Like wasnt it supposed to grant you greater access to what could be available and some sort of discount like with the surgeon or woodsman?

[hot hemlock]

Unlock stuff later in wipe, as theyve said this is just week 1 of quests

[wooden zephyr]

Ah okay so same system just the new season hasnt started

[barren falcon]

Epic store description reads "build the perfect three-person squad." I think it should include something about solos and duos.

[night grove]

who thought it was a good idea to have spawns on the other side of modules i just got rushed doen by a barb won the fight but all the mobs then killed me this how is anyone supposed to gear up

[haughty harbor]

Buff rogue

[rose vine]

Disable parts of the ui, such as crosshair and equipment.

I find it so distracting with a changing crosshair and even a crosshair in general when trying to melee. especially when the weapon strike is what matters, not the crosshair

[upper stirrup]

buff solos

[junior anchor]

LET ME USE MY GEAR OUTSIDE OF HIGH ROLLERS FOR CHRISTS SAKE WTF EVEN WAS THE THOUG
H PROCESS BEH
IND THIS BS

[buoyant garden]

solos isnt even fun since the wipe idk what they did

[half nebula]

If we could have a training field to test out our gear and perks that would be great

[peak reef]

Add longsword to the squire for figther.

[naive gulch]

how can you release a game when you still have these in-game crashes. tragic this is still not fixed

[lament sequoia]

CLERIC is cheese easy wins

[civic zodiac]

gotta love being forced to do quest on goblin cave just to meet 3 player talking to each others chasing me...

[lament sequoia]

gotta love this game... slowly getting more boring...

[civic zodiac]

solo mode should not be a thing tbf. matchmaking need to be done and remove solo to put duo or trio only. solo mode in extraction game is always a disgusting shitshow of teaming and camping

or at least make quest requirement not being map related so peoples are not force to go there

[tiny wigeon]

Rly? U can’t think of a reason why they don’t allow that?

[lime vigil]

suggestion for making pvp more fun- collect their a tag from an enemy after kill and exchange tags with a vendor that you can gamble items or exhange them for extra exp? the tag could be the ear or something. an only "extracted" currency you cant trade within market to other players.

[static turret]

this is a good suggestion

[bleak swan]

nah bro go play cod if u wanna do that

[lime vigil]

explain how its a bad idea to me... so maybe i can think of something better...

[bleak swan]

i dont know what there is to explain tbh. i mean its just my opinion anyways but imo that whole dogtag system is way to "cod-like" i wouldnt want to be reminded of call of duty while playing dnd

'dog tags would rly make sense in a medival setting

[lime vigil]

oh i never said dog tag, i was saying a tag as in something that signifies a kill... take their ear; that'd be more "medieval". you take that "tag" and exchange it to a merchant vendor... the ear would only take up 1 inv slot... stackable as well... It would just give a more rewarding incentive to kill... i feel like it would be good for obtaining rarer items to take into high-roller whilst transitioning from a normal game... 1 ear=1 on par common or rare item...

[fleet prawn]

Hmmm i kinda like the tag idea cause then you can use these tags for quests and maybe some vendors

But I worry the tags may detract from looting, and push pvp too much(although a reward for people who are pretty unlucky is nice) I'd personally make them a 1x2 so that you wouldn't take them over smaller more valuable stuff

[bleak swan]

alr alr hahah if u frame it like that it does sound interesting, my brain just instantly jumped to cod :') im marked for life

[ripe yoke]

nerf circle speed and buff portals

[thorny yarrow]

do you guys think some kind of bossbar might be nice ?

its really hard starting out not knowing

[tulip venture]

The tag could be like an adventurers guild badge that is the color of your current rank

[tulip venture]

Yeah it would be nice but not in line with the theme of the game and I doubt they’re ever gonna do it

[thorny yarrow]

I mean, they could make something in theme, like idk the arena or the boss changes at 80, 60, 40, 20 percent

[tulip venture]

I have always been a fan of things like skeletons visible being very cracked when you get them under half or enemy’s getting bloody

[hot hemlock]

They do this via boss mechanics, Ghost Kings scream, Lich Blue/Purple curses, Cylops rock phase

[analog turret]

I think they should let barb use xbow! He doesn’t have enough ranged options. This would add much more versatility to his gameplay and allow him to fight ranged classes better. This would be an awesome change imo. What do you guys think?

[agile blaze]

if us solos are gonna be forced to play GC only, make it larger again or less players. Half of the time Im in a forced pvp getting third partied, the other half Im running into teamed pairs who have the 'three's a crowd' mindset 😂 its not fun

[drowsy grotto]

Nerf warlock in general, he was already one of the strongest classes on the last wipe and instead of changing him in a way that'll be actually beneficial; you gave him the strongest shit in the game for no reason, he's the best caster, melee fighter and is pretty much a self sufficient army now. I don't know what they are doing but they do not care about balance at all in the current moment.
(Examples of nerfs: Less magical healing, lower stats, actual downsides to his perks, etc)

Demon form + metal armor + melee healing perk: insane melee
Flame walker + a half decent speed/damage build: insane range (borderline untouchable in solos)
Crazy

[cinder bloom]

has anyone added a suggestion to actually add Prisons A into the game?

[pallid vector]

Add rapier parry and riposting

[ionic creek]

If there's going to be release on Epic Games in future. Will there be talk or process to getting it back onto steam again? Achievement hunting would be awesome on steam again.

[devout hawk]

I don’t get people who still think warlocks are so strong. Torture mastery as of right now is dead. The scaling make it impossible to build up a good magical healing build. Getting enough gear to make it viable is to expensive. Plate warlock is just a worse version of plate fighter in every way. A warlock in plate has zero range. They can’t use throwable like axes and spells take way too long to cast making it unviable. The only real viable warlock builds are hydrain and warlocks who focus purely on damage with boc.

[granite plinth]

is there any purpose in saving kobold ears, grave essense, bowstring, maggots, wolf pelts, etc right now?

[devout hawk]

Kobold ears is for one of the quest

I think it’s the collector

[tiny wigeon]

The bosses do certain mechanics at certain % , so if u know the boss, u can tell roughly what hp he is at

[thorny yarrow]

alright, thganks !@

[tiny wigeon]

Rapiers aren’t made to block, if u block with a rapier, it would break

[granite plinth]

use a buckler

[pallid vector]

deflect/redirect not block like the longsword completely, I quote "The rapier can be quite sturdy and capable of parrying the cuts of heavier swords, but only with the thicker section of its blade or hilt and (preferably) in a deflecting action to redirect the attacking point rather than a passive, rigid block."

[upper hearth]

When attempting to join a server with increased ping or a mode that does not match your teams player count, a confirmation button and noise will alert the player and allow them to cancel

[tiny wigeon]

Alright cool

[upper hearth]

Yeah, like attacking someone's attack mid-strike can create it.

[pallid vector]

exactly, like in mordhau if you match the opponents swing it will redirect it

[granite plinth]

except if you listened to the devs qna they said they dont want chivalry mechanics

[fringe tide]

totally not an important feature, but would the devs ever be interested in adding like a lore book/dungeon survivors guide? Something that would give insight on some of the mobs that we face in the dungeons, their origins, and perhaps some back story for the bosses? Something that fills in as we discover/fight/defeat them? Think it would be a neat little feature to add.

[pallid vector]

ye ik would be nice tho lol

[outer lotus]

Bring back map rotations and ruins!!!

[tawdry rivet]

I don't know if it has been suggested but having an active list of quests instead of clicking each merchant to see what your progress is would be nice!

[visual violet]

can you guys fix the roar interaction bug with mobs who have reloads. if you roar a crossbowman who ust used a shot he instantly gets his ammo back and doesnt have to reload

[drowsy grotto]

Yeah, cleric must be garbage because he has no range. They can't use things like throwables and are too slow, making it unviable.
Warlock is busted, cutie.

[next tangle]

wouldnt say warlock is busted right now but its very strong

[drowsy grotto]

In trios he is very strong, duos and solos nuh uh. He's busted wusted.

[next tangle]

you must be bad at fighting them then. most of the time i find a warlock i slaughter them

[drowsy grotto]

Probably, explain how to fight them in solos
since that's where I usually run into them

[next tangle]

run. play around doors if they running boc. if hydra play away from doors, its easy as fuck to dodge and other builds are rarely seen

[drowsy grotto]

ok papa bear

[proud sigil]

Focus on a better adventurer experience with better missions, lore or something. It’s boring to do the same thing always

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[inner python]

💀

[fresh bane]

we need spell/song presets so I dont have to remake an entire song/spell wheel every time my comp changes. would save a ton of time.

[tulip venture]

would be a cool squire function

[bronze mulch]

bard should be able to left click with song whel open and pull out the right instrument, why does wizard get to spam spells but bard has to rummage through his pockets and find the right insturment

[tulip venture]

I would agree

[lime vigil]

good idea

[mortal coral]

I propose an Idea, please add a section of the menu character screen to show all current quests ! Hah Hah !

[prisma orbit]

iron mace should do something about the damage of blow of corruption from warlocks, its only a matter of time until they start one shotting people. The damage is too significant in one strike for classes with low Hp like rogue.

[weary geyser]

add a sell all button to collector already

[brave ember]

Bring back voip and name tags in the lobby.

[outer lotus]

BRING BACK ROTATIONS, im tired of ice cave duos

and make a pve only map for rookies to learn, my friend got the game and all he has experienced is frustration

[nimble spoke]

is there any way to change your character name in dark and darker or can they add that

[glad ingot]

thats what games are now, frustrating 2nd jobs 😉 the 2500 or so super hardcore players dont care about the other 15000 players who will fund the game, they just want to remain in the seal clubbing society 🙂

[outer lotus]

the rookies need to at least see the light at the end of the tunnel for some hope

[glad ingot]

oh i agree, just good luck finding light at the end of the dark and darker tunnel 😁

[graceful beacon]

wdym? in normals I find pretty casual. it's just a hard game, that's why it literally says it's an unforgiving hardcore game

[glad ingot]

yes, we can read what the game says, what i was pointing out is, its not healthy for the longevity of the game. the game feels more like a job then having fun. to you that may seem great, to the majority it does not and the constant dropping of numbers is proof of that 😉

[graceful beacon]

numbers are only dropping because it was at an all time high from the new wipe. it's impossible to maintain that for a long time. it doesn't feel like a job to me at all. I just go in normals as ranger and mess around or play trios with my friends

[glad ingot]

hence why i said "to you that may seem great" and numbers are dropping cause they keep pushing away the casual players as a whole. my group came back to play for the wipe and all but one left again within a few hours cause they are forced to play maps they dont want to due to queues and the fact they keep lowering the ttk with ridiculous gear roles so the HR is only for those who can no life the game. well that demographic is not large enough to fund the game. so enjoy your happy little in game bubble while it lasts 🙂

[graceful beacon]

queues literally take less than a minute atm, plus the ttk is really only low if you are in an immediate melee engagement with no shields. hr isn't that bad as you say, plus you can get mid level gear really fast with the new stat rolls, and the new gear changes makes the difference between mid and high level gear lower. this means you can pretty quickly get some gear and face good chances against higher geared players. I don't see why you have to be so condescending

[glad ingot]

my criticism may be harsh but its mine to do so, just like yours is yours. and ttk is garbage in HR its all about one tapping. norms i will admit are a much better in comparison as far as pvp goes cause the fights are more meaningful and actually can last longer than one to two hits cause no one has ridiculous gear on.

[graceful beacon]

I play hr and low roller regularly, both solos and trios and I don't see that thats the case. in trios, rushing stupidly will obviously get you killed fast. in solos, the classes that die fast are slayer fighter, ranger, rogue, and wizard, all of which have ranged options to deal with people. like I said, the only time ttk is fast is in an immediate melee engagement with someone who isn't running pdr

[dawn haven]

Please add a horn to Bard it would be funny and silly

[torn cargo]

can we make the little shit spiders have no play collision so they cant fling you and shit

[outer lotus]

pls fix mobs aggroing through walls. and why tf is base rogue strength less than half of a warlock's

[mighty minnow]

Idea to improve Warlock Base Kit:
Add Heater shield to options.

[slender compass]

Add Class filter in Marketplace

[haughty harbor]

rename rogue to wretch

[compact iron]

+1

[livid mason]

Yup

[still finch]

3x3 gob caves sucks dong

[full cosmos]

FIX, slayer fighter, fix staff mage, STOP Nerfing rogues. how about that for a suggestion

[twin beacon]

Rogues poisoned weapon "A successful attack applies poison". Doesnt apply on thrown/ranged attacks. I feel like with it's wording it should.

[full cosmos]

or thiefs since they are starting to feel Less of a rogue with all the nerfs and more like a thief.

Or FIx invis because its not even working. it fun watching the deathcam when we are suppose to be invis and we are just sitting there like fools while people can see it. unless this is part of the new nerf which would not surprise me.

[civic zodiac]

in fact if would be nice if theres a real thief class. weak in combat but stealthy and elusive XD such troll

[tulip venture]

Are you sure it doesn’t it used to and it’s easy to test in the tavern lobby

[wind nova]

Please revert all gear to what it was last wipe, minus golden gear.

[somber wind]

• All Attributes being on everything shouldn't be a thing again, we've already experienced this. If you want to increase it, just make some gear with it inherent but with downsides (with it only scaling up to +3); It being only on the Amulet at +1 was good because you had to choose between +1 All or +3 Singular for the rolled modifer.
• Crafting Legendaries should still be possible, the Marketplace made this not a problem due to the accessibility of items. You don't even need to do quests anymore due to the Marketplace since you can get all the rewards from it that way. Without them being Legendary I feel like there isn't much reason to craft the weapons, the armors due to their inherents will still be good but the weapons will be worthless.
• You should beable to see the modifiers on what you're going to craft but instead of the modifiers on it changing over time you should have to pay to reroll the stats. This is because there is currently no reason to ever buy materials to craft something yourself as you are extremely likely to lose money to bad rolls.
• You should beable to see modifiers on what you're going to buy from merchants because the marketplace makes it so you'd never chance it on things for sale from the merchants since you're more likely to lose money buying things from merchants when you could just get something pretty nice for the same price from the marketplace.

[limpid zodiac]

Please make it so that high roller lobbies separate people who are level 15 and above from everyone else. They have a clear advantage with auction house and make it miserable to try and level up, also leveling up in normals takes too long.

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if ur making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting y know so u don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where u send them.

If u want to suggest to ironmace then use #https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[sand vortex]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540076/apply-the-30-off-sale-to-red-shards

ping them for a sale on red shards - I dont need more keys for the game, and I'm also not big on $2/shard for reds, but if you slapped that 30% discount on red shards then my little monkey lizard brain would buy some.

[gilded eagle]

¿where i supose someone can help me with error migrate?,i send a ticked 6 days ago and any answer me

[brazen flume]

CLERIC BUFF ; holy symbol. Other classes can cast with their melee weapon out. Why can’t cleric? Lose the shield and be more open for attacks while being able to cast is a fair trade.

[tulip venture]

Honestly not a bad idea I have a similar one that’s like crystal sword it would be a scepter that swings like a mace or morning star and does extra damage to undead scaling with rarity

[tiny wigeon]

I think it would be too strong to o have the option to have a shield, to cast spells and having a melee weapon.
Knowing when to use what, is part of the skill in the game. I think removing that , hurts the game more then anything

Also if u wanna cast with a weapon, use a staff?

[tulip venture]

So you don’t think scepter would be a cool option and take away their use of a staff or are you concerned about having to large of a pool of items

[ripe shell]

Too many mobs for duo ice caves

[tulip venture]

I think I prefer it over teams just running at you in the first 30 seconds of the game

[faint dirge]

It does

[molten canopy]

We need a way to report cheaters. Just clipped a guy using wall hack but have no where to send it.

[tulip venture]

There definitely is one homie

[ripe shell]

Ruins was a better map than Ice Caves for duos

[molten canopy]

you gonna share that info?? LOL

[tulip venture]

Yeah the help tab in this discord

[tulip venture]

Ruins was bad there were straight lines to spawns next to you with mobs that you don’t even need to fight because they layout is so open

[brazen flume]

BRING BACK RANKS ALREADY JFC. Sure love getting placed in lobbies with teams in legendaries and purples when I’m just level 13. Demi gods just wiping lobbies of lower players. At least make level 20+ have their own lobbies.

[outer lotus]

Facts

[brazen flume]

God this is nonsense. Again. Another lobby. One team wipes everyone when they have legendary gear and everyone is in greens.

[tiny wigeon]

I’m concerned that using shields, using spells, using one handed weapons and two handed weapons is a lot for a cleric, and unnecessary.
The fact that it has its limitations is what makes it original in the first place imo

[rapid osprey]

i dont like to play on GC cause its trash map for me and when i go on the others im 1VS2 or 1VS3. Dont like your change. Stop playing to wait a better state. I take no enjoyment going in sadly. add ruins again and make separate queueo on it for everyone it's the only thing i can maybe enjoy rn

[tulip venture]

My idea of a scepter would be very similar to a staff but specifically for cleric so no shield

[languid acorn]

Please remove plus all attributes from gear again. You’ve tested this multiple times and it was a disaster every time. It’s a boring stat to get anyways, there’s no choice.

[brazen flume]

wow cool ANOTHER lobby where a demi god fighter with legendary 1 v 3s and wins. cool. im so glad theres no ranking right now. such balanced lobbies.

love getting hit for 75% of my hp in one hit

whats the point of a wipe if in 2 days people have legendaries and are wiping lobbies of under geared, under leveled players?

[inland hill]

REMOVE PHANTOMIZE SHIT IS BUSTED

[ruby kestrel]

ONG

IM A WARLOCK MAIN AND EVEN I KNOW THAT SHIT BUSTED

[tulip venture]

Phantomize goes crazy for portal stealing

[tiny wigeon]

Alright , but if that’s the case, I rather use a staff since it gives me magic power for my holy strike, while I don’t rly need more help killing the pve , can be fun to add, but I don’t think many would use it?

[tulip venture]

I mean that’s fair I don’t think every slot needs to be bis

[tiny wigeon]

Sure I agree

[languid acorn]

Can we please get the devs to remove + all from gear again. They tested it before and it was a disaster. It make every piece that doesn’t roll it feel bad, plus it’s not even cool it’s just make all numbers go up.

[mint current]

pleae add a "stash all button" in the stash please

[teal breach]

Give us Ruins with more jump spots for Rogue and I'll pretend you didn't ruin the character

[onyx thorn]

How about removing plus all attri? Surely we must have realized that this shit is busted

[supple magnet]

I think we should just remove ranger at this point, you made traps terrible, gave every other class the crossbow and have nerfed just about every other aspect of the ranger, why are they even still an option? (Former demigod ranger main - Now Warlock Main)

[limber sinew]

If people are getting legendaries and wiping other teams that means you could be too

[brazen flume]

yeeaaaah except when they have all their perks and other teams dont, they have a distinct advantage. rank should have started day one so these high level players would be in their own lobbies by now

[teal breach]

i wanna play every map solo so why can't we? (i can't wait to die to a 2v1 and get told it was my fault for bad game design again!)

[limber sinew]

It’s almost like there’s a mode where everyone starts with the same gear so you don’t get rolled by gear diff… imagine that

Get level 15 in normals and buy a kit for HR if you can’t roll with the big boys

[brazen flume]

its almost like a system to determine who is better than someone else should exist. some way to take big sweaty boys and put them in the same lobby with other sweaty boys. but what could that system be called? youd have to progress and as you win more games you get into more elite lobbies with other sweaty players. no idea what youd call that though.

[limber sinew]

You realize that someone drooling on their keyboard can gear gap you if they have a decent enough kit? Mmr helps up to a certain point but HR is like 80% gear dependant. If you are expecting to get fair fights especially now when the ladder isn’t currently going then idk what to tell you, everyone started at the same spot 3 days ago

[teal breach]

Maybe adding gear before balancing it was a bad idea and no one noticed at IM?

[limber sinew]

I might have personal bias here because I’m a SW tester but I bet they tried to balance the newer gear as much as they could, would you rather be a dev with 50 games of internal data? Or a dev with 15000 games of player data to show which stuff is over and underperforming? I’d prefer the second

It may be frustrating at the moment but they are still building fundemental systems for the game, and you can never expect a handful of devs and testers to test something at the level of releasing it to the playerbase

[teal breach]

5 stat buffs vs 1 or no stat buffs from gear... How is this fair? I remember getting in Gold armor lobbies when I had nothing so idk about this balance you pretend they are upholding

[limber sinew]

So you are expecting the difference between a green set and a legendary set to be minimal enough that the green set can outplay the legendary set?

[teal breach]

My point isn't that I should beat them 100% of the time, but they can beat me 100% of the time without having more skill

[limber sinew]

That’s how gear based games work.. this is a gear based extraction game

Do you expect someone with a 100ilvl gap in wow to lose to someone with way less gear? No because they have more stats and better stuff

[limber sinew]

The difference between mid-high level gear in this game has been significantly squished, but the gap between green - purple has widened a lot

A good blue set with BiS rolls is a lot closer to a really good team than it used to be because crafting BiS is no longer there

[teal breach]

I just wanna play the game without being at a disadvantage in the lobby.

[limber sinew]

Play normals till level 15, save up money and go into the marketplace to buy some good gear before you hit highroller

Gear is the cheapest it will be all wipe, I am seeing blue gear with double BiS rolls for less than 200g atm

[teal breach]

I get it I need gear not skill. I need to meta game and not look for fun factor. I need to not say anything smart or sane in this discord because everyone is a debate bro. I understand thanks for wasting my time. You and IM.

[limber sinew]

I’m giving suggestions? Skill is 100% a factor but in a game like this it is not the main factor, it’s something on top of gear that pushes you the extra mile

You are expecting to go in with nothing and be on the same footing as people with kits because “I can outskill them” the game doesn’t work like that, go in on even footing and then skill will be the main factor

[sudden trail]

Still can't tab out to map?

Like see the whole layout? Put a map merchant in, or something? Quest rewards? I can think of a few ways to make them worthwhile

Being able to see the exits is important especially for ice caverns, I have had to memorize the layout to be able to escape and if there's any giants and it's close to exit time that run is done. Being able to plan things out is important for dungeon diving!

[teal breach]

i AM SUGGESTING THAT THE GAME PUTS ME IN AN EVEN FOOTING NOT THAT I HAVE TO HAVE BIS TO BE ON AN EVEN FOOTING

[limber sinew]

Normals are exactly what you are talking about, play them until you have a gear set that’s not greys and greens

[teal breach]

PEOPLE PLAY NORMALS?

[limber sinew]

Yes a lot of people play normals to build highroller kits

[teal breach]

I want normals to give high roller loot and not allow you to bring in gear and for grey and white gear to be removed but IG because you wanna ride all day we can't have that idk

[limber sinew]

So you want a battle Royale game?

[teal breach]

WHY CAN'T BALANCE BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN ANY WAY WITHOUT YOU CRYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADVANTAGE

[limber sinew]

When did I say I had an advantage? We are just having a conversation deep breaths

I told you that going into high rollers without a decent set on is going to be bad because you will get gear gapped, it is a gear driven game. If you wait a bit get level 15 and use the marketplace you can get the same gear that these people beating you have access to and you can use it against them

Gear is relatively inexpensive right now as well

What class are you playing? Maybe I can suggest some stats for you to look for?

[coarse kraken]

Please give cleric guiding bolt thanks and thank you

[teal breach]

"I told you that going into high rollers without a decent set on is going to be bad" We agree on this so my change would fix this problem and then you'd probably have to remove high roller because everyone would play the fair gamemode because they don't wanna die to full gold and high roller would be worse for this issue. OR THEY COULD RANK US BASED ON GEAR MORE THAN SKILL WHEN PUTTING PEOPLE IN LOBBIES IDK

[hot hemlock]

Yea then people in the lower lobbies complain they never have fun

[fathom bolt]

dont rank us based on gear, i like killing geared bad players with my base kit

[teal breach]

lol this comment is funny even if he's not joking (I see how both sides could be fun to play on)

[fathom bolt]

im serious I killed a full blue PDR fighter on my base cleric

[outer lotus]

Its called high roller for a reason, if you aint built for high roller play low roller….

If you join a high roller poker table, do u expect the big dogs to go easy on you?

[hot hemlock]

Bro wants to play against equal gear but wont queue norms

[wheat mirage]

Party Maker
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly removes the drunk debuff and extends any buffs related to Ale based on Persuasiveness"

Encore
"Add 5 Song Slots. Playing these songs is 33% faster.

Dissonance
"Add 3 Song Slots. Playing these songs Perfectly increases any debuff duration they cause by the greater of either 30% or 2 seconds."

[teal breach]

QUEUE NORMALS SO YOU GET LESS LOOT AND EVERYTHING IS EASY TO KILL BECAUSE THE GAME CAN'T BE UPDATED AND ISN'T GONNA GET BETTER <--- you sound like this

[gilded eagle]

¿where i supose someone can help me with error migrate?,i send a ticked 6 days ago and nothing answer me

[livid mason]

Add in small armor set bonuses

[fringe bane]

squire wont let me into normals and i have nothing above common equipped

[west coral]

they should make it so you can go in any map solo/duo/trio

[fringe bane]

anyone know what to do?

[livid mason]

Coinbags or coins

[median peak]

imo marketplace should be lowered to level 10 or something, 15 takes so long now and leveling up a new character sucks

[arctic flame]

Put away all your gear and go die in HR and try again

[pulsar glade]

Ranger traps
Allow option to break trap for reduced ms penalty as well as or instead of stuck

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if ur making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting y know so u don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where u send them.
If u want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[bronze turtle]

hello 4 days later into wipe!! all i want to say is:
nerf warlock xd? xd? xd? xd? xd? xd?

[mighty estuary]

get rid of the spot where you can get stuck in between the barrels and the wall in "cave tunnels" goblin caves. tried to jump over the barrels blocking the door and got stuck.

[fair pawn]

crazy how much this game is dying

[obtuse kindle]

Since the tedious way of transferring items between characters is paying someone in tips, can we just get feed 15g on each account we're transferring a trade screen of items between? Please. Even 50g each for a better goldsink

I can tab out fine on 1440p with no blackscreen or delay

[civic zodiac]

Put like a bandage to sell for. X amount of gold on the one u want money and buy it with ur main. Ez money transfer

[obtuse kindle]

Yeah I know that I'm talking items, I get good items for my figher and barb on rogue and vise versa and need to xfer them

[civic zodiac]

Well then you nees to find a trustable friend i guess XD cuz i doubt they gonna introduce trading between char been a year its been asked and nothing happened so i guess theres a reason for it. Wich i dt rly understand. Extra stash should be accountwide imo so peoples dt abuse and using mules to store would be restricted as well

[worthy thistle]

FIX AGGRO PLSSSSSS

[cunning gorge]

So, I'm here looking to see if anyone has an answer to teaming in GC, or teaming in general. As a solo player 90% of the time, and someone who loves PVP - the GC has become infested with people who team. In order to play the game, I have to rat or avoid people in a huge number of games. Is there an answer to this? The map reduction to 3x3 seems to have encouraged people whom I can only assume die more than they live to team. It's infuriating. Are we supposed to play the solo game like a Tom Clancy book?

[quiet narwhal]

If you want rogue to feel more acrobatic, please make tumble recovery period shorter, and lower the cooldown to .25 seconds

[foggy sun]

give the lizard man a more useable buff/debuff

[tough cedar]

You should buff the hatchet weapon 🙂 it's similar to the short sword stats, but the move speed penalty makes it so no one uses it. it could be fun to use if it was better move speed or something

[civic zodiac]

They need to remove solo and add matchmaking. Solo in an extraction game is always an abuse fest. I tried to do my quest and all i had is peoples chasing me on group of 2 to 4 talking in game mic they was not even hiding their teaming that totally absurd and make the game.look super bad

[dusky ingot]

they should make reinforced instruments actually work with flute riposte

[torpid trout]

This will probably land ZERO traction but at least I have said what truly needs to be suggested. For the wizard class you should have higher damage against creatures (mobs and bosses) with your spells. It should not take you all of your fireball spells and magic missle spells and lighting spells and explosion spells to still NOT kill a demon hunter even in HR Inferno. Please consider the increased damage with spells against mobs. THANK YOU.

[nova laurel]

it would just become "who can sprint to the room faster" scenario

[ancient veldt]

Add an auction history for players to see what has sold in the past to have a similar idea of what people value stuff as.

[civic zodiac]

that why we had the guys suggestion to have a solo/offline mode in order to practice away from players. cuz rn with all these teamers and lobby crowded on GC new players and bad players literally cant have a good time playing the game in GC

and since its the only solo mode its kinda a shame. its a hard block to new players retention

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if ur making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting y know so u don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where u send them.
If u want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540126/remove-all-attributes-from-gear-again-we-been-here-before
This one is a personal favorite of mine

[plucky pendant]

If I play the game without cheating, but the number is blocked, I also complain to the official, but he still insists that I cheated, what should I do

[high verge]

Please add MacOS support (Intel and Arm). Having to do Wine wizardry and hope the next update doesn't break things is exhausting.

[pulsar glade]

Don't let people spawn next to giants in ice caves. It's effed

[soft nebula]

please change centipede poison? if you get unlucky hell do it every time you hit it and in the small spaces hes put in hell just fill the entire room with poison and it just sucks to fight

[tiny wigeon]

So because it’s an inconvenience you want it changed ?

Come on man..

U can pull it to a bigger room and fight it there, centipede one of the easiest mobs to fight , and it has insane loot, u wanna make it easier ? Because you are inconvenienced? 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar glade]

Gc 5x5 was better

[granite plinth]

Gc 5x5 is way better goblin caves is way to small getting spawn rushed is pretty much a guarantee also ranger should get a perk something that allows them to pick up placed traps maybe a addon to the current perk trap mastery

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if ur making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting y know so u don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where u send them.
If u want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[ripe yoke]

If you want my weapons to collide and ding of walls then the mobs also should collide with walls

[next tangle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540322/rework-the-explore-quests

[tulip venture]

I wish I could downvote it because I like them it’s a good way to have people try all the content and come out with a positive outcome even if you barely make any money

[molten flower]

Give shadow mask back it's all attributes or give rogue more strength for base

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[tulip venture]

Damn I was hoping with the gear buffs and more damage you were a bit happier

[elfin vale]

what damage i bought a 2k kit and hit a cleric (no pdr skill) 4 times in the head and he turned around and 1 tapped me

warlock 1 taps me -1.5k

wizard staff bash me 1 shot (in blues) -1.6k

fighter 1 tap me -800g

barb (lol) -1.2k

i can kill a ranger though so thats hype asfff!!!!

[granite plinth]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[tulip venture]

youll get your time brother trust

[peak reef]

More light helmets.

[tiny wigeon]

👍

[tulip venture]

i would love a good hat

[elfin vale]

yea lets go ahead and round up to 30 different headgear items actually fuck it 60

[peak reef]

lmao no ned for 30 or 60, just like 5 or so would be more than enough, would be cool if each hat could give different stats like strength, dex and such, is just lame to be forced to only wear leather cap..

Something like Quilted Hood, Padded Cloif, rawhide like Wolf or Bear Helmet for example.

Dunno if this was suggested already gonna take a look

[warm sedge]

What server do you play on? I'm on EA and barely see pre-teaming.

[weak zenith]

Let lizards wear straw hat

[proven finch]

I thought straw hats and maybe like the shadow mask would make them a bit more usable

We need some Warlock nerfs Ironmace

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540396/remove-the-ability-to-use-bowscrossbows-from-every-class-except-for-ranger suggestion on removing the ability for anyone other than Ranger to use bows/crossbows

[weak zenith]

I dont care about viability, i care about FASHION

[hallow flare]

Nah, completely cap and also never going to happen. Main problem if anything is crossbows being too good atm. Bows are inherently way better on ranger already, so bard can keep the survival, rogues deserve hand crossbow, and fighters have weapon mastery. Maybe take it away from base fighter so they need weapon mastery to use it? That’d prob be good

[peak reef]

I suggested some light helmets cuz I didn't see any other post about it. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540416/light-helmets-ideas

[teal sundial]

Devs, if you're extending hotfix by one day, please solve issue where some ppl havent received season rewards yet.

[granite plinth]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[tiny wigeon]

Doing gods work

[granite plinth]

I didn’t even make the original copypasta I just thought it was helpful :)

[tiny wigeon]

Yeah I know, I made the original copy pasta ahahahaah

[granite plinth]

Oooooooh

[tiny wigeon]

Doesn’t matter who, I’m just happy ppl get informed, cause I see good ideas, however we also need to vote on them to make ironmace care.
I see great ideas on the suggestion page with less then 10 likes , when I know for sure I’ve seen more then 10 ppl suggest it over the past few months

A classic one is “limiting the number of throwables you can go into a dungeon with”
It’s pretty much unanimous that everyone wants this, including barbarians xD

[merry kestrel]

Dark Reflection should only trigger on successful blocks to give Warlocks meaningful shield and longsword gameplay and stop punishing people for playing the game correctly.

[livid mason]

Oh that sounds fair

[teal breach]

Solos should be able to have fun like everyone else (WHY IS SOLOS THE ONLY QUEUE FORCED TO PLAY GOBLIN CAVES OVER AND OVER)

[granite plinth]

Yep

[granite plinth]

Yeah every class having frannys is so annoying.

[molten skiff]

And also some classes are unplayable in solos, and the meta is really boring

[hot hemlock]

Other queues are forced to play 1 map as well.

[dusky kernel]

Would frannys be less annoying to deal with if they didn’t stack?
Would make it more difficult to bring in and require more reequiping for the person throwing them

[granite plinth]

I think so

[teal breach]

AGREED

[teal breach]

They keep making the map be GC for Solos and everyone else gets to play fun 3 stage maps or ice caves which is free loot as a duo

[outer lotus]

Dude its free loot as solos too, so is crypts lol, be a rat

[earnest wraith]

bruh can i please for the love of god get ice caves back for solo, i cant even go into it alone without some pair of assh*les chasing me across 4 rooms only for me to die cause i get stuck on a breakable

[rose canopy]

Really would like to see:
Quest QoL

• quest page to see all active quests
• button after rraid to deliever all quest items (similar to squire button to remove items above common grade before entering a normal dungeon

Duels

• reuse arena asset or another small tile for 1 v 1 duels
• ability to challenge players that have killed you after raid
• ability to challenge players from friends list / player list
• maybe the ability to place bets on duels (though ReMeT could be an issue)
• also dont lose gear from duels

Map Rec

• this is really rough mock up
• instead of having random spawns within a map have a way to allow teams / players to choose a spawn room
  • I think this could be done by having a standard tileset that each team spawns in with a passage to different doors, THE TEAMS WOULD BE ALONE IN EACH STANDARD TILE SET
  • After a team enters a door from the standard tileset they are teleported to the correlated spawn on the map. AT THE SAME TIME the door that would lead to the same spawn on the actual game map would close for the other teams still choosing their spawn door.
    This would cause an artifical barrier between low and high gear teams for two reasons. ONE: the high gear team will clear the fastest and thus enter the dungeon first. While the other teams still inside the standard spawn choosing tileset are now alerted where the highest gear team has spawned. AND The highest geared team is unaware of where others choose to spawn. this would also allow for low gear teams to maybe find a nice item before entering the main floor with the other teams. IDK LMK OR ASK FOR CLARIFICATION

MAP REC MOCK UP DRAWING IN ROGUE CHANNEL

• the standard tiles are the ones outside of crypts, teams enter in the middle and take magical doors leading to spawns inside crypts. no other teams are inside a given teams standard tile.... the magical doors that lead to better loot rooms are the ones that would take two rooms to clear instead of just the one fr ask me if have questions i think this could work

(#rogue message)

[livid mason]

What do you guys think of rogue while crouched can shoot there hand cross bow bolt silentm

[teal sundial]

(I hope this is permitted here, just trying to spread awareness, plz don't ban me)
Please upvote this post regarding Ironmaces decision to not allow Temp-Banned players their season rewards! 🙂 Thanks!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540465/give-back-season-rewards-to-those-who-have-ever-been-tempbanned

[upper hearth]

We could use a massive overhaul for ranged items, weapons and classes. I think if the devs are true to their word and this is a Dungeons and Dragons enspired dungeon crawler, they should take some of the ideas and concepts from other similar fantasy games and incorporate them. For example; Currently there is very little skill in the game associated with planning, positioning or utility. We could improve this by including environmental hazards that could be used by each class, such as: Chandeliers that rogues can rig to fall on enemies, elemental arrows that the archer can use with a lantern or on a zombies corpse for fire damage and poison damage respectively, rogues can poison designated potions within their inventory, certain types of elements can interact such as fire and gas ect. I think a more proper medium for skill expresion is strategy and planning rather than aiming or positioning for a fantasy game.

[timid hill]

Can we get the bug fixed where Bards music doesnt go through or turns to terrible regardless how well you played the instruments.

[deep girder]

The two handed axe skeleton is utterly impossible to deal with if you are pinned in a closed area without a shield lmfao

[ripe yoke]

bring back below 15 lobbies

[vivid summit]

I mean yes. That's a lot of qualifiers though

[deep girder]

In the frost map there are a lot of bridges and etc that make it hard to get away/deal with them

[vivid summit]

You can see what weapon they have before you aggro them

[deep girder]

He spawns in the middle of the narrow bridge haha

[vivid summit]

Okay? Are you ranged or melee? Clear an area outside of the bridge and just drag him there

If you're ranged just head shot him a few times as he walks toward you. Or just hop on something and cheese him lol

[worn pagoda]

So, the "multi-class system" could have some improvements. Not saying that it's the worst, but instead, misleading, since the community has gotten very used to perks and skills X y and z only being on certain classes, making it a bit more reasonable to figure out the general build their opponent is going for.

Instead, I bring a more interesting approach on the matter. Now, instead of having rng to get potential perks... the player, at every 5 levels (maybe could be tweaked if anything is added between the 5 level barriers) gets to choose the class they want to spec into at a maximum of 4. The classes perks and skills will slowly unlock over the course of the 5 levels to the next perk threshold allowing some kind of progression if you will. Now, not to just make it so you can get perks with whatever class you want, your stats will also reflect the other chosen classes. Taking the base stats of the classes chosen, adding them together and dividing them by the number of different classes; it could lead to some interesting builds and a real look into if you are willing to sacrifice some of one Stat to raise another.

[deep girder]

I think it would be an improvement to que any map and THEN select if it will be solo, duo or 3's rather than locking different player counts into different maps

[worn pagoda]

What?

[meager rose]

I agree

[teal breach]

Ban every Barbarian player but Dimo please

[foggy sun]

ban warlock also

[teal breach]

mod this guy

[foggy sun]

Range, magic, hp, plate armor, weapons, best shield in the game, demon form with 10 plus all etc etc. All this class needs is the emote to spit in your face (while doing the griddy on your corpse)

[drowsy grotto]

3x3 is too small, 5x5 is too big. Why not settle for 4x4 instead of making an arena to duel players in, the goblin caves, including the infamous fourth party which comes in after the third party.

I literally see no downside in making goblin caves bigger minus rogues getting nerfed (because it'll make their only way to kill players harder to find)

[foggy sun]

I wish they would just add a chaos map with random modules that's large

[drowsy grotto]

That'd be insanely fun ngl

[civic zodiac]

Random procedural map would be nice. No one know what happen and where stuff are. As long spawn area are safes it would be great

[foggy sun]

I would also add a smaller mini map so its harder to navigate

[drowsy grotto]

Or like, maybe maps in the raid which you can look at but not pick up

[foggy sun]

could be fun

[amber sentinel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540501/reduce-overall-drop-rate

[gilded ether]

With the upcoming Epic Games event i guess we'll get some fresh blood, maybe a load of new players. Id like to remind the devs @sdf they'll need to handle them a bit. Just like they once did when they introduced white lobbies, so these new players dont get instantly discouraged.

[civic zodiac]

Solo goblin is soooo unfriendly to beginner rn

[ashen ibex]

rogues stealth sound needs to be removed

[lilac garden]

if a wizard can face tank a barbarian and win then a barbarian should be able to throw fireballs at least guys think about it

maybe give him a hand cannon

[tough cedar]

BUFF THE HATCHET! it's similar to the short sword stats, but the -25 move speed penalty makes it so no one uses it. it could be fun to use if it was better move speed or something. maybe even make it a named weapon

[upper stirrup]

Fix balancing in the game

And bring back map rotations please

[waxen canopy]

Idea: remove sprint on fighter and give a lesser movespeed buff to adrenaline rush. Also remove the dog shit debuff when adrenaline rush ends

So basically merging sprint and adrenaline rush

[last dust]

Please remove +all stats

Wipes without +all stats were much more fun and lead to different builds

[proven fulcrum]

Pdr and MDR cap change is bad. Nerfing fighter and solo cleric (fighter is not the strongest in trio and cleric is weak solo). Make it so divine protection ignores this cap and goes by to previous 85%. Real unaddressed issue is bards and barbs reaching 60% pdr when also being +40ms faster

Also mage nerf is a joke. Real nerfs when? Feels like buffball meta again. Mage bard barb absurdly strong. Cleric only good as a catalyst paired with those.

Also this "issue" would have resolved itself as people get more true damage ... Aggressive change targeting classes that are not dominant at all

While mage bard barb are still untouched. Edit: barb actually got buffed which is funny

[glacial sphinx]

85% dr is dumb, its a good change

[proven fulcrum]

Yeah 350 Ms is dumb

40% action speed is dumb, nerf all stats to the ground by that logic

[glacial sphinx]

well I think in general stats are going too high now, but 75% DR as a cap is high enough, you get 4X effective HP just from that

[proven fulcrum]

Use your brain here. A lot of stronger things than a slow AF fighter reaching PDR cap

[glacial sphinx]

yeah I agree that all stats should be nerfed a bit, and you can build fighters for speed as well btw. plus sprint is the most overpowered speed boost in the game

[proven fulcrum]

Nah you can't. You can't reach PDR cap with speed

Not with the gear available now. Maybe with lab crafted gear you could

[glacial sphinx]

if your position is that it shoudl be easy to PDR cap and speed cap at the same time then we wont agree yeah, tradeoffs are good

[proven fulcrum]

But people on equal gear would deal 11 true to you per hit

It's not easy to reach by any means that's my whole point. You are not strong when building PDR

You have to sac all of your stats to get there, slow AF, hit like a girl, no action speed. Meanwhile a barb or bard gets all this and gets close, now even closer to PDR cap

[worn pagoda]

If you pay up the actual 40k and get real lucky you might

[worn pagoda]

This is also true, generally pdr is supported with Wiz / Bard / Cleric

[proven fulcrum]

Yeah but some1 that also did might get 60% action speed with 11 true

[worn pagoda]

yeah. Thats fair

[proven fulcrum]

He could melt you easy. Reason why PDR fighter wasn't played late wipe

[worn pagoda]

Honestly, magic damage might be the way with fighter, just saying. No one suspects the crystal sword gamer. Just gotta stack some dex because that moveset is horrible

[livid mason]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540547/decrease-dead-space-in-the-spell-wheel-near-the-mouse-increase-it-to-be-closer

thoughts? it doesn't really change any aspect to the spell wheel just fills in the dead space it has

[agile blaze]

why did noone at IM listen to the many players asking for a change to solo queus? I stopped a few days ago when I got tired of the free for all battle royal that is GC. I wait for fix, fix comes, I read eagerly....no change. Fuck

[worn pagoda]

What change to solos did everyone want?

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[worn pagoda]

That is... fair I'm gonna go back to get my suggestion

[short breach]

what attributes stack with warlock's shadow touch (i.e. physical healing, magical healing, etc.)

[worn pagoda]

It doesn't

[short breach]

nothing?

[agile blaze]

I didn't say 'everyone' I said many people . They requested either rotation to return or increase the map size, so that you aren't forced into being third and fourth partied every game. But Sauk is right, they probably dont read this...which makes the whole page kind of redundant

[tulip venture]

I mean this page is mostly for discussion about suggestions not to make the suggestions themselves

[fleet crown]

Imo map rotation was good, I hate constantly being forced to play ice caverns with my friend... Also bring back ruins pls

It's just getting boring after spending literally 4 hours in one map, over and over and over

[worn pagoda]

Nothing stacks with it

[meager jasper]

Daily reminder that since you've chased away my duo teammate from the game, I have no interest in only playing a 3x3 goblin cave as my only map, no matter how good or interesting you make my classes.

[graceful beacon]

ok

[bitter kestrel]

Bard needs a song that is based on Irish folk music and named after the leprechaun and it gives you a luck stat boost but the amount luck stat increases itself is also luck based. bad performance gives disadvantage on the RNG (takes the worse of two rolls), ok performance is the straight RNG roll, and great performance gives advantage (best of two rolls)

found this in my notes from st Pattys day

[smoky agate]

my suggestion is to delete warlock

[tiny wigeon]

I also think that everytime someone stops playing a game, its the games fault, never the players.

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace DOESNT READ this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[woven marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540607/capstone-abilities

[woven marsh]

This is a good spot to generate upvotes for your suggestions though.

[drowsy grotto]

Ironmace will only probably look at the higher suggestions that have been their longer, so isn't it kinda redundant?

[tiny wigeon]

thats your guess, maybe, maybe not

[drowsy grotto]

I mean it's your guess that they're not lying and just completely ignoring the suggestions
There's no evidence either way

[tiny wigeon]

ye it is. When did i say otherwise?
But most ppl come here and say "do this" and they dont post a link to their suggestion on the website, so their suggestion is lost in the void.
If you wanna suggest something, u go on the website make it, then come back here and post the link

[tiny wigeon]

no its not my guess, its how they said this channel would work, hence the name being "suggestion-discussion" and not "suggestion" only.
Maybe they ignore all the website suggestions aswell, but that is impossible to know, we should at least use the protocol they put in place for us. Typing random stuff here expecting the devs to read is fairy tale

[drowsy grotto]

kissses you

well anyways, anyone think that removing the leaving penalty is a good idea

[tulip venture]

Doesn’t mean they don’t read it but expecting them to read it is a stretch

[tiny wigeon]

So what ur saying is, they setup a protocol in place for the players to give their suggestions, on their website. But they would still go out of their way to come and read the hundreds of messages a day this channel gets?
Alright sir, where u get that copium? Its grade A level

[tulip venture]

That’s not even close to what I said

[tulip venture]

You just set up an argument you could beat and argued with that a classic straw man

[tiny wigeon]

Brother, they dont read this channel, they have a system in place so they dont read this channel. They have other discord admins that maybe read but have no power, i dont know.
What you are saying is "maybe they read this channel" how the hell does that help?
Im just tired of ppl wasting their energy and time to come to this channel when they clearly dont understand how the system works, i dont blame them, its poorly communicated. But im not gonna give ppl "oh maybe they read" like its worth their energy and time.

[tulip venture]

All I was saying is to say that is if the devs never look in this channel it can only be known by them, and why would you be upset about someone talking into the void it doesn’t effect you

[tiny wigeon]

Cause i care about someone wasting their time and energy for no reason? Just cause someone is a stranger, doesnt mean i wish them bad

[granite plinth]

I like the idea but with how long lv 20 takes now it might be a bit unbalanced for pvp, also maybe they should have drawbacks
You get buffs for one aspect of the class but nerfs for another

[woven marsh]

Oh I wasn't saying you didn't. I was just adding on so people know how to properly use the channel.

[tulip venture]

The thing is that this channel is for talking about suggestions with other people how would you know what to discuss if they never said the suggestion in here

[woven marsh]

Sub 20 and 20+ lobbies. Easy fix.

[granite plinth]

That works

[tiny wigeon]

When did i say not to do that? All im saying is , posting a suggestion on the website and then coming here to try and get ppl to talk about it and upvote it or not. Thats the correct way of doing things if we do want them to make changes.
I see a bunch of good suggestions that would be appreciated by many in the community, however they dont get to spark because we arent doing it properly. And its not on us, its on them that they dont communicate properly.
So im trying to raise awareness of how their system works so we can get our wants across to them properly.
Ye , maybe they read the channel, maybe they dont, but if you go by that logic, then whats the point?
You just trying to make me look bad for some reason im not sure what, when in reality, we are on the same side

[solar fog]

Have they considered putting a limit on how many buffs you can have at one time? Might solve the buff ball meta

[woven marsh]

Or a limit on Bard songs. Bards in DnD have a limited number of performance rounds per day. That's probably for a reason.

[tulip venture]

They did make it so you can only have one bubble of any kind that protects from flat damage and that helped a lot

[exotic knoll]

have the devs forgot to give rangers a base kit spear when useing spear proficiensy since fighter gets also more option when have weapon mastery

[still carbon]

Wish they'd bring back the rotations, feel like they dont give a shit about solo players here. Willing to even pay the 150g ante to do solo ice cavern/crypts.

[tulip venture]

It might be a have to level weaponsmith scenario

[echo gorge]

put lanterns in the squire

[median nymph]

a negotiate button in marketplace. if a person is online and in the trading post they receive something in their invite list and you can barter or negotiate the price down with them.

[tulip venture]

Solid suggestion

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540396/remove-the-ability-to-use-bowscrossbows-from-every-class-except-for-ranger suggestion on removing the ability for anyone other than Ranger to use bows/crossbows

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to thanos

[tulip venture]

I’m happy to see your success

[tulip venture]

The heavy negative damage modifier was pretty bad

[elfin vale]

the game is saved bismallah 🙏

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540650/axes-need-love

[peak reef]

What do you think about portals showing up as markers in the map when they spawn?

[echo gorge]

combine hide mastery and stealth

[lethal shadow]

hear me out, queue any size group you want for any map, however those maps alternate every 5 minutes that way there is still a rotation system an d you can queue any size you want and still be able to play all the maps

[rose canopy]

Ranger should have a perk that recudes cooldowns of abilities when you hit a headshot. This could be cool for making the backstep ability better for kiting more then 2 feet

[final steeple]

Skill expression in Dark & Darker's melee combat is incredibly high.

The prevalence and safety of ranged options weakens the player-side satisfaction of fun melee skill expression. There are lots of games with satisfying ranged skill expression, and fewer games with solid melee skill expression.

Reducing the potency overall of ranged options and reducing the ability for ranged players to kite melee approaches will bring better emphasis to the game's melee skill expression.

[quick moss]

Duos not viable at the start of the season!

Currently solos have a better drop rates than duos plus they have boss to kill and with current AP entry fees, duos just won’t make it. Not to mention, it’s mostly blues in ice caves, barely epics. Duo rankings would be so much behind, and it is supposed to be more rewarding than a solo play. Currently at best you make -600g on average in ice caves, and more than 700 in GC.

[tulip venture]

With current AP entry fees? are a time traveler ?

[earnest mist]

@dawn grotto Hiya! Just a small idea; What if the people who died from the cold in ice cave had their bodies immortalized in the dungeon. You know? Just like a select few... and when other people go in, there would be people encased in ice exactly where they died throughout all previous games. Clearly not literally all of them, right? You know just like 3-5 people randomized throughout the level. So when you go in, you run into a room and you see someone who had a failed run because they died to the timer.. if you want, you can break the effigy with your weapon and MAYBE... JUST MAYBE... if YOU'RE REALLY LUCKY... one of the items they had on them drop.

[elfin vale]

thats a lot of dev time but cool idea king

[earnest mist]

❤️

[brazen ruin]

Run luck to find higher tier gear. No boss in caves but gold pile and a dozen mini bosses so..

[lyric needle]

At least single player map rotation should be enabled. It is the superior option for single player map choice and would use the same server capacity.

[merry kestrel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540676/dark-reflect-should-only-activate-on-blocks

[lyric needle]

Have monsters level up by killing players.

[honest marten]

I want ranked rewards to give no stat difference than what is achievable through non ranked reward cosmetics.

[merry kestrel]

Right now Dark Reflection has literally 0 counterplay and is unengaging both from attacker and defender perspective. It is a fire-and-forget perk that rewards doing nothing.

Make it activate only on successful Blocks and it both rewards good gameplay and encourages alternative builds/playstyles.

[dusky kernel]

[If they’re gunna change it somehow] I’d rather it work like a self buff that activates when you get hit and procs on your next melee like BoC does.
Could also expire if unused like BoC if needed.

[merry kestrel]

That would

1. Require a redesign into a skill instead of a perk
2. Remove an avenue to encourage alternate playstyles/engaging longsword gameplay

[pulsar glade]

The perk would autoactuvate, instead of on successful block on getting hit a buff allies to weapon. I get the style you're going for but still valid as not set and forget. Like a nerf as opposed to rework.

[vast echo]

Here’s a suggestion how about they finally add Druid

[lilac garden]

change rogue invisibility to camouflage unlimited time

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540690/the-quintessential-ranged-weapons-nerf

[fast hill]

Ban embeds in class channels. No one uses them properly and just post awful memes or use them as trade channels.

[ripe turtle]

Fighter + Weapon Master = able to install hunting traps?

[limber elbow]

Auto-Fill Bug and Ironmace only care how to Buff Ranger more ???

[limber dock]

👎

[graceful frost]

Your no fun lol

[quartz leaf]

Hey I think I've got a pretty original suggestion here!

SUGGESTION:
How about for the beginner dungeons third person can be toggled, this would allow for practice and better understanding of combat and the animations / hitboxes
that way only hardcore has first person combat

[pine comet]

You’re

[jagged horizon]

nerf warlock plz

[pure summit]

I feel like luck should be buffed. If you commit to wearing 300 luck on gear.

At the least reduce chances of common/uncommon with 300 + luck to zero.

The more luck you have, the better luck should be also, instead of diminishing returns, they should be growing returns, or linear.

50 = +0.57% chance of legendary, 100= +0.31%, 150 = +0.20%, 200= +0.14%, 250= +0.10% 300= 0.05%.

The first 50 luck is way more powerful than the rest, so there's almost no point to stack more atm. It's almost better than the rest of the 250 luck COMBINED

[hardy vector]

remove hand xbow from rogue, make it back into a perk ong

[queen lake]

Rebuff stats on knowledge, will, and resourcefulness cloaks

[main crow]

Can you explain how this works, I've never really understood, is it like a diminishing returning curve? So the first 50 has more of an effect although more still does help just not as much

[pure summit]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Treasure_Hoard#0-19

You can see the difference in drop rates with certain luck values

[worn lava]

for wizard buffs should cast faster then damage spells idk why thats not a thing yet

[junior anchor]

when will the chinese be banned from US servers wtf

[proven finch]

Ban Pre teamers in solo

[worn pagoda]

sisyphus intensifies

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace DOESNT READ this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[manic laurel]

do the ques ever work?

[manic laurel]

I've been in matchmaking for 20 minutes now

[somber wind]

I was thinking that the Dagger buff that happened last patch might be too much; not for Rogue I do think that it's fine for rogue with the increased Defensive modifiers that have been introduced there needs to be something to compensate but it actually makes Shadow Touch Warlock too strong when it was already somewhat overtuned without that buff. Thoughts on this, I suggest an alternative where the Dagger buff is reverted BUT increase Rogue's Dagger Mastery's damage by the amount that the original Dagger buff was so Rogues can still directly get the exact same damage they have right now without buffing Warlock.

[worn pagoda]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540872/travel-portal-portal-of-travel

If anyone is interested in what I like to call the "Travel Portal", feel free to give criticism and help refine the idea of what I would like to see for the future of this great game.

[tulip venture]

These would probably be very bad for norms

And I doubt many people would use it in HR

[edgy cape]

i like backstep but i dont know that it's currently worth taking over a damage skill or rations. I'd say maybe 3 charges on backstep that can be used no CD and it only regens 1 normally the remaining 2 require a campfire rest. Either that or increased distance andor a speed buff to go along with it

[worn pagoda]

How so. Just people getting kitted through looping?

[tulip venture]

Yeah getting up to full blue kits just rolling lobby’s until they get rolled by a better team doing the same thing

[edgy cape]

added to suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540878/ranger-backstep-skill-improvements

[tulip venture]

It would be great exp though to level up

[worn pagoda]

Ye

The ap gain tho

[tulip venture]

I didn’t even consider how messy it would be to AP

[worn pagoda]

Wym messy

[tulip venture]

For the devs to calculate like is every piece of loot now handled or does it all stay looted from one dungeon to the next and do they give a fee every time and do the give AP for every new game or is it all one lump sum at the end and how is that calculated it would take a lot to implement in a functional way

[worn pagoda]

I'm thinking everything stays looted between portals. There is a free fee if going in yellow because you have potentially used your resources to stay alive during the last raid. It's all one lumped sum at the end. It would calculate like it does now?

[tulip venture]

Yeah they would have to add a mechanism that all of the previous matches stats get carried over by it could be entertaining for streamers to attempt

[worn pagoda]

🤷

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to loot llama

[rocky pasture]

Have a Quest tab so i dont need to flick through evey trader to find them 🙂

[worn pagoda]

^

[worn pagoda]

Put it in suggestions. I want this too

[rocky pasture]

i dunno how to do that xD.. i lie i found it

[worn pagoda]

Ye

[oak salmon]

I think a quest log would be the final piece to making the questing system perfect. It is a slight hassle to have to remember what merchants you have a quest for. Maybe also be able to see this log in game as well? any form of a quest log would be beneficial

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540920/quest-log

[tulip venture]

I don’t upvote may of these but this is a needed quality of life improvement https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540920/quest-log

[elfin vale]

after careful consideration of what other classes are capable of this patch and a whole day of testing after the buff, i have come to a conclusion

rename rogue to victim

[stoic glen]

Wretch

[upbeat sapphire]

Here's a suggestion: Reduce xp requirements to hit lvl 30 for class mastering so we don't have to abolutely grind for multiclassing, at least for until the system is well-established, so that we can test different things quicker

[merry kestrel]

#suggestion-discussion message

make Dark Reflection work only on successful blocks, thank you

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540676/dark-reflect-should-only-activate-on-blocks

[pine comet]

Make fulgor not drop lightning bolts when you block it

[hallow cargo]

Please add either more statics back to goblins or more portals and potentially better spacing of portals, its super annoying that I have to fight 3 people to make it out of every goblin cave run. It's ruining the solo experience. Yes I want to fight 1, but at max 2 people. Every game fighting 3 is getting very annoying very fast. @keen onyx

[timid palm]

why does fighter get an instant activation from sprint but warlock takes half a second to use phantomize?

[graceful beacon]

because phantomize makes you invincible lmao

[timid palm]

@graceful beacon Yeah, but you can't attack like a fighter. In fact, I'd make the argument that you're actually at a disadvantage because you can't do anything but run or chase, but a fighter can do anything under the sun but be invincible.

[pine comet]

Say that to a fireball

[graceful beacon]

right but you generally use it to avoid or escape a melee engagement
@timid palm that's fair but I don't think fighter really needs a nerf rn

[timid palm]

@graceful beacon Not saying nerf fighter just make it so phantomize is instant like fighter dash its a worse fighters dash. so why not

[graceful beacon]

I think that's fair. I play warlock a lot and phantamize time is never really an issue for me, but I see how it would be convenient

[timid palm]

Like a high-end game, everything happens in a second, so it would be so nice to have

[hearty cedar]

goblin caves is 50% warlocks 30% wizards. Somethings gotta change, and I'm pretty sure it's warlock

[timid palm]

actually it fighters warlocks and wizards

[hearty cedar]

too bad wizards and warlocks counter fighter

[timid palm]

no they really don't because of crossbow

[hearty cedar]

yeah, crossbow is so much fun. its the very reason i play fighter(sarcasm)

[timid palm]

so constructive

[hearty cedar]

medevil fighting simulator plays like tarkov

[timid palm]

so you gonna ignore what I said?

[pine comet]

I’m happy no rangers though but I think I preferred rangers to the one shot warlocks and the arcane lock wizards

[timid palm]

yeah thats stupid^ I agree

[hearty cedar]

i didnt. you are right. But it's still an issue because the gobln caves are still obcenley warlock full. 2 shotting with dagger in a green kit.

And fighter crossbowing is just more boring ranged meta

[timid palm]

they need to focus back on rogue poor thing looks like a lump of flesh at this point

[hearty cedar]

as someone who played when rogue was king of the dungeon: the issue as i see it is that every other player has a bad time when rogue and ranger are good. So it's a net positive when they are bad. Not a great outcome, but better

[timid palm]

I feel like invis is the problem

[hearty cedar]

invis is supe op in a game like this. game breaking. they kinda ameliorated it with the sillouhettes

and a timer

[timid palm]

like indicators like an empty pot or footsteps in the mud

[hearty cedar]

That would be hard to balance, but a really great idea

or an exiting stealth sound like tf2

[timid palm]

maybe even hearing or seeing their breath

[hearty cedar]

and it can't be seen in the dark. to encourage hiding in the dark/playing around light areas

[timid palm]

wow I hope they take this idea\

[hearty cedar]

there is a dev watching us right now......

[timid palm]

perfect

[hearty cedar]

or so i hope lol

[timid palm]

15 more mins good luck everyone

[slender hearth]

I hope they add this cool feature where they don't false ban their loving fans for three days due to AbnormalDetection

[timid palm]

holy smite a warlock 2 times and they die if clarics are wondering

[somber wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/489940/buff-priority-a-solution-to-issues-with-stacking-support-classes-and-buff-ball

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/540870/mutliclass-balancing

[hearty cedar]

lol those problems are nothing compared to warlock 2 shotting with dagger

[eternal dock]

It literally just sounds like you have a skill issue with every class. Invis is super easy to counter as you can hear someone drink the invis pot, and rogue invis is a joke right now.

[visual girder]

Where can you find Cobalt now??

[normal nova]

Make it so if you die to PVE in a killcam that the camera can be rotated around

[limpid zodiac]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541009/seperate-que-for-people-that-have-the-auction-house-enabled

Please vote for me I think this would be a good change for both casual play SSF and a better experience overall

[hearty cedar]

cool, now do warlock dagger build

[eternal dock]

Okay same as I listed before, but when in melee range use a or/and d to "backpeddle" while using a longer weapon.

Change riposte so it can NOT be used in invisibility.

[bright stump]

NERF FROST GIANT BESERKERS WITH HAMMERS

TOO MUCH HEALTH IN NORMS

[civic zodiac]

there always a spot you can cheese them if it can help.

Make a quest tracker with a quest item delivery like Squire @sdf for peoples who have low memory its a real nightmare to remember everything

[graceful cairn]

Since a lot of perks were combined it would be a pleasure to see rogues hide mastery combined with stealth so its loinger and u can step 10 steps. there are too many perks you actually need to combine if u wanna play the rogue with his basic mind. in addition it wouldnt be a hard buff

[quiet basalt]

Why is it when you revive someone the character spawns in first and can be damaged before you can even move or anything. Do you guys even play your game??

[hot hemlock]

Bro wants to roam the map as a soul before his body comes in

[small ibex]

make second wind heal faster

[dark dust]

Fix the fact that if you die in HR and get revived, you lose 2x the entrance fee.
Just cost me -800 (2x -400 Entrance Fee).

[small ibex]

that's actually tragic

[split pike]

Hi guys ! I wanted to propose an AP from kills rework. Let me know what you guys think about this : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541048/ap-from-kills-rework-proposal

If you have a few minute to spare ! It would be based on merchant value of gear worn when player is killed, details are in the suggestion.

[sterile lily]

don't let empty lobbies start, just send the player back with gear back to the lobby

[soft nebula]

can we please enable more gear restrictions for classes? idk just kind of tired of 330ms 200hp barbs 1-2 shotting me without a shred of hope to survive

[opaque finch]

make quest items highlighted when looting

[hallow flare]

Please bring back ranked normals as a permanent feature, it’s been way more fun then HR lately 🙏

[rough chasm]

Somebody remember to add class filter to marketplace please

[peak reef]

Do you think the game could be better if combat was pure skill based instead of gear?

[rigid horizon]

I do. But then it kinda removes the point of looting. You would have to change it to a objective based game like Hunt Showdown.

[glossy basin]

the problem with gear is that the squire is not providing whites, and they buffed the power of random modifiers on gear. So the gear disparity between no gear and some gear went up a lot, and the disparity between middle-gear, and bis rolls is also huge.

+all is a mistake of a stat; and higher random stats on gear makes it easier to hit specific stats you want.

[peak reef]

For me the looting/gear is just boring, I no longer even enjoy killing bosses, just try to kill players but I sometimes just lose even if I play good just cuz their gear set is way too good, or the also the skills carry a lot too like the other time I hit 4 times a warlock and he 2 tap me we both were using falchions I dont even know how

[glossy basin]

Browns and greys serve no logical purpose, so most armour is stripped for movement speed, which is poor design.

Gear is in a pretty bad spot yes, there are people with what would be end game gear sets last wipe that consist of blues and purples instead of a fancy golden cape and orange items. Bard with 160 hp, barb with 180-200hp, cleric 140 hp.

[peak reef]

and then losing my kit cuz couldnt find portal till the last one and is constested with someone with WAY too good gear or we just fight eachother till and nobody opens the portal and we both die

[glossy basin]

Thats the issue, is you shouldn't have BIS gear, 2-3 hours into a wipe. And anyone being that significantly geared over the rest of the lobby makes it basically unplayable.

Hence my earlier mention about spawn rushing in crypts, who's doing the rushing, very geared players. Who did they rush, me and my buddies with significantly lower health, damage and speed. Its just like fighting golden men all over again.

[rigid horizon]

I honestly think very concept of warlocks is unbalanced. Like, I am genuinely surprised it even got passed the concept phase.

"I got an idea for a new class: The Warlock."
"...Ok?"
"It's gonna be both a martial and a spellcaster, complete with an ability that deals more damage with a melee weapon then even a barbarian"
"Jesus, what's his downside?"
"And he can cast a wide multitude of spells, including hitscan spells, health draining spells, spells that can hit through walls and the ability to summon hydras with a large hit point pool and the ability to see invisible players"
"Wait, WHAT?"
"AND he can make himself untouchable with a phase shift ability!"
"...You have a warlock OC don't you?"

[peak reef]

Most of the lobbies I get into mostly nobody has any gear at all, and yeah usually that one guy with full epic/legendary gear just decimating everyone

[glossy basin]

you have to hit lvl 15 first

[peak reef]

I really do not understand warlock, they even push me using phantomize when I play ranger or slayer figther with their falchion and then use the magic incrase +15 making their falchion hit harder than a legendary weapon for a few seconds

only "down side" is that you can close doors and they cant open them when they panthomize lmao

[rigid horizon]

I think this game has kind of painted itself into a corner here TBH.

Just waiting for a game that takes this concept, and executes it better.

[glossy basin]

Warlock is a awkwardly designed hybrid who is hyper-gear dependent. Oppressive if you don't have anything to counter him, and you try to fight through hydra etc. Boc is strong yes, but barring gear differences they should be squishy or slow.

[peak reef]

I feel like this game should have went towards another route cuz the classes, perks, gear... is just gonna be impossible to balance.

Maybe making it similar to Hunt: Showdown could been cool, like no classes, just weapons everyone can use or cast magic with at the cost of health, if you survive a dungeon you level up your character and gain trait/perks in a playstyle you like like incrase melee damage or magic damage or reduce damage intake with heavy armour etc.. if you die go back to Lvl 1 with no perks/traits.

[rigid horizon]

It's just, the class is so awkward, it shouldn't even be here. It's basically a wizard on steroids on how it's gear scaling works

[rigid horizon]

I'd give someone sloppy to get a game that has the dungeon crawling extraction concept of Dark and Darker, the combat of chivalry 2, the customization of mordhau, and the objective oriented gameplay of Hunt Showdown.

I think that's a fantasy game that would have the best of all worlds

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace DOESNT READ this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[peak reef]

I have posted a few suggestions there and I think they were never read either.

[rigid horizon]

That place is organized terribly.

[peak reef]

The concept of Dark & Darker is really great, but I just feel myself kind of burn out already, the AI is extremly simple, the Bosses seem to just be tank regular mobs not really challenging once you learnt them, the looting is just not fun, as solo you just have to be lucky not to encounter someone who over gears you or is your counter like a PDR figther encounters a naked wizard as example... the randomness of the game that sometimes does not matter how good you are at the game in PvP is just pushes off to even trying to get better at it.

[rigid horizon]

Dark and Darker is a pvp game that trys to balance the game with a rock paper scissors formula.

You don't even need to be an experienced game dev to know why that's a bad idea. It's a balance formula that, by design, favors chance over individual skill. And that frustrates both the killers, and the killed.

People who play rock (PDR fighter) and then get killed by a person who play paper (wizard) are frustrated because the very fact they ran into one means that they die, and the person who got the kill feels like he didn't really do anything to deserve it because he just happened to run into someone he hard counters.

[peak reef]

Exactly, that's why I would just suggest getting rid of the classes and just let players use any weapon they want to remove the randomness, I would also suggest more skill based mechanics like every single melee weapon should have the ability to block & parry & feint being quite simple but requiring practice to get better and rewarding for those who perfect it instead of just M1 hit like this is like playing Minecraft whoever has the best gear wins.

[merry kestrel]

#suggestion-discussion message

[rigid horizon]

Woah there buddy
I'm upset at the way the classes are balanced and designed.

I'm not upset at the concept of classes itself. I actually think its a good idea and follows the fantasy party trope we all like.

As for combat, I already mentioned that I'd like chivalry 2s combat be used.

[rigid horizon]

We both know that site exists man. We just accept the fact that it ain't gonna reach the devs either way. We're just hanging out man.

[devout jasper]

good one

[devout jasper]

? throw a torch or smth and voila no more dark reflection

[rigid horizon]

Thanks!

[devout jasper]

always nice to read nice jokes

[rigid horizon]

Jokes aside, when you frame it in the way I did, it makes the fact that they made the warlock the way it is... Questionable.

Like, even on paper, that class just sounds like a balancing nightmare.

[devout jasper]

true

[peak reef]

I kind of made a post about what we shared here, but I already know it will not change anyway, is fun to imagine how a videogame could be either way.

[rigid horizon]

Exactly

[peak reef]

Sometimes I write down videogame ideas that I randomly get, even thought I know I will never see them become true haha

[merry kestrel]

ok nexon employee #5

[merry kestrel]

worst take. "just throw a torch at every warlock you see on the off chance they have thorns equipped" lol, im asking for it to actually provide agency and variable playstyles.

[rigid horizon]

Bros just called me this communities equivalent of the N-word for not wanting to post suggestions on a sight that's gonna ignore it anyway.

Good lord, who pissed in your cereal?

[merry kestrel]

bro just compared being called a nexon employee to the n-word

dude if you can say one word but not the other, the other word is the worse word

[rigid horizon]

Normally, you're chill. So imma just assume you're having a shit day and leave you alone.

Have a better one.

[merry kestrel]

Make Victory Strike heal 15% HP on successful hit, keep CD the same, and it will compete with all other healing options.

[rose vine]

Add option to disable specific hud elements

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[late marsh]

Bring back solo to ice caverns

[timid palm]

its actually not possible to get demi-god in solo's please fix ap

[solar falcon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541157/spell-points-flexible-charges-channeling-spells

Make use of the spell points system that's already in place for spell recovery by adding flexible spell charge counts and better channeling spells,

[pallid vector]

you cant hear people walking around under the water at all until they come out of it, fix that....

[hearty cedar]

He doesn't know long weapons make you move 3X slower.

[storm blade]

Can you even get 1500 points in solo??

[pulsar glade]

Newly worked Sterling weapons are common. Solos miss out on this BIS craft bc solos is now only GC again. Make Sterling weapons affect all monsters.

[somber wind]

Not BIS because it cant be legendary rarity anymore. Craftable weapons dont matter anymore.

[merry kestrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1imVjmXbXQDgn8mu4obQ7K-sPHadTrpUw_GY2yqKcMXI/edit?usp=sharing

I created a spreadsheet so people can see how numbers play out for hits to kill, EHP, etc.

This also works for magic - simply do not use the Add Weapon Damage box and replace "physical" with "magic" in your head.

Make a copy and play with it yourself. See what the numbers look like - this can help you understand why you died before you make a suggestion to nerf X, Y, or Z.

(updated final damage math, was multiplying true damage instead of adding at the end)

[pulsar glade]

Bro max dmg and extra against mobs. Vest it can be for normal

[tulip venture]

white bis for sure

[tulip venture]

they literally cant be any more best in slot for normals

[somber wind]

ah for normals yeah soz

[cunning yacht]

They should bring back 5 minute map rotation it wasn't the best but it was nice

[kindred acorn]

I think you're an idiot but I agree.

[weak tartan]

strong suggestion, read a fucking book on medieval weapons and watch how they are used in manuscripts because the developers haven't seen let alone touched a sword. shits getting ball busting when 80% of two handed weapons that aren't axes are unusable. and some swords are swung in ways they are not realistically done in. like im 50/50 on wanting this game to work out and or burn like the pile of firewood it ends up being 60-80% of the time

also for those who dont know the martial arts you can do in almost any state in the US its called HEMA its dumb larping basically but with old books

[pallid vector]

crazy how terrible 3x3 gc is

[limpid zodiac]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541009/seperate-que-for-people-that-have-the-auction-house-enabled

[neat cloak]

have no map rotation let people just que into solo/duo/trio any map at any time. forcing people to play on a specific map depending on how many people they have to play with is terrible / queing into a map at a disadvantage is also terrible

[somber wind]

This was the best implementation because it didnt harm the game by dividing the community a ton but it did arm ice caves since no one wanted to play it on duo and would just wait for it to be solo or trio.

[small ibex]

Warlock is literally just a better fighter. Figher needs buffs bad.

[drifting fiber]

warlocks need a fucking nerf. they just kite every class except ranger and wizard.

[pine comet]

Nope, do not use the overpowered warlockness to buff fighters, its the warlock thats the problem not the fighter

[drifting fiber]

the warlock needs to be slower than a cleric

[somber wind]

With multiclassing they'll be one of the best bases

[torn cargo]

please gut magic missiles

[dense quail]

Nerfed blow corruption

[dense quail]

It does not make any sense

[slim hinge]

fighters should not be allowed to have bows

[merry kestrel]

imagine never reading a book on swordfighting and claiming the techniques in the game are wrong

[small ibex]

the fact that naked (spawn) rushing is a viable strat shows how much stats need to be scaled up

[sand haven]

only classes that can do this are bard wizard and warlock.

[warm canyon]

Could barbarian have a less dog squire weapon option? They offer a shield but no weapon feels bad

[proud sigil]

Release all weapons on squire at the beginning

[foggy sun]

nahhhhh

[small eagle]

do u guys think we will see magic pots drop like prot pots

[dull nexus]

put ruins as duo map like how its always been

u guys are losing players with no ruins.

[civic zodiac]

they are remaking ruins rn. it will get reintroduced eventually. i hope.

[warm carbon]

it's insane that warlocks can just 1 tap people now that needs a huge nerf

[elder bobcat]

Barbarians can do that too

[warm carbon]

But 1 tap with a Wizard Staff... seems a bit excessive

[elder bobcat]

One tap with a short range staff vs a long range maul or sword. Seems balanced to me

[warm carbon]

okay fair enough i'm not trying to argue my I just was putting my suggestion there

[elder bobcat]

I would agree that dark reflection is op. It’s a no skill perk that just kills you for hitting me

[naive fern]

Suggestion:
In HR, weight player kills AP rewards depending on your rank in the ladder.
Example:
Player kill rewards 14.85 * RankingDifference + 99 + CurrentRanking * 3
Goal:
Balance AP fees in high rankings to make the grind more doable

[quiet basalt]

Make cleanse able to remove gas clouds.

[upper hearth]

They should add a penalty to blocked/missed BoC similar to the felling axes, while also buffing demon form/ fixing claw swing animation and possibly adding other abilities to it to make it a more viable playstyle

[upper hearth]

The thing about dark reflection is how it scales with the shards. I think they were trying to make shards an ace in the hole in how it's used for dark bolt, dark beam and demon form. But the demon form, meme beam, and dark bolt are frankly not that good in a lot of scenarios making the best use of them dark reflection, especially considering the +magic add on the reflection. If they fixed demon form and decreased the scaling to maybe 80% max for dark reflection it would be better I believe.

[worldly fern]

but boc has a buff time when activated. rupture reckless or achiless work similar and dont get punished when failing to hit and they don't last for a set amount of time

[upper hearth]

You pretty much have to engage the warlock close range as any sort of plate class or melee class however, if you start to run or play ranged they will curse you and gain health back with a hydra or pain. You can try and fake it out but your taking damage either way, shields are a good counter both otherwise your kinda screwed.

[worldly fern]

If you are using plate and the warlock engages you at melee, is unlikely the boc will kill you and you will take less that half the damage of his attacks after that. You can also use arrows and crossbow and have more damage than his curses and more range. Boc warlock is strong in solos and when people are not good geared, otherwise boc is a non issue.
A warlock cursing and kitting and when you finally use sprint to get in melee he phantomize away, that is a bigger issue but is a expected playstyle which works best in solos and in trios a wizard will do the same and more.
Use your ranged weapons and throwables when boc is active and go melee when is not. Or build MR in top of the PDR. A barbarian with iron will can tank and outtrade a warlock with boc.

[upper hearth]

For some reason, the server keeps blocking what I am trying to type. But Overall I and other warlocks will camp corners and doorways with hydra and force you to jump over to fight in BoC distance where you can't disengage. Barbs a good counter, but that goes for basically any melee/magic class.

[worldly fern]

then, if is a wizard, he will use chain lighting on the hydra and hit the warlock, a ranger or a barbarian can kill the hydra or just jump over and win vs a boc warlock. Solos are not balanced at all. Some engagements you lose if the other guy knows what he is doing

a ranger camping a long hallway or an open area, a barbarian camping a corner, etc etc

[upper hearth]

Finding a ranger is like spotting a unicorn, they are very rare because of the pdr right now. Barbs are a good counter to basically anything in GC, which is why them and warlocks are the top classes in there right now.

[worldly fern]

But, a ranger destroys a warlock that is using boc, hard, So does a wizard. One of the main reasons there are so many warlocks in solos is that they are better playing solo than with people, where they are weaker

[upper hearth]

High pdr gear like the champions armour, shields and other pieces paired with a lot of tight corners make rangers a non-issue for warlocks in GC, atleast for my experience . For wizards they are an issue for warlocks, but if you can bait out the chain or use curse and stay a good distance from your hydra and bodies your good.

Also I'm not stating to nerf warlocks BoC in damage or anything else, simply adding a skill requirement for using it, it's weird that you can miss such a strong attack or having it blocked and suffer virtually no consequences, and it's also weird that all the other perks you can replace it with, minus maybe phantom are just plain memes, and non-viable playstyles for the most part.

All I really want as a warlock is for BoC to require some manner of skill, and for demon form and dark offering to be altered so we don't see the Goblin Caves equivalent to a blonde girl at Starbucks: BoC Warlocks with life drain or magic heal.

[worldly fern]

champion armor, gives what at purple? 78 armor? you get in total 30-40% pdr and that is a exageration, a ranger will destroy you in range and if you want to risk it walking with a shield up until you reach the ranger good luck. And if you are using that build a wizard will demolish you even harder, so will a barbarian or even a caster cleric at that point.
BoC used to wear off when hitting a shield. But it wears off over time so you can kite it off. Phantom and BOC is used because demon form need a build just for make it work and dark offering just doesnt work at all.
Currently people are not as good geared because is the beggining of wipe, when more good gear start appearing warlock lifedrain and boc will fall off hard

What i am trying to say, BoC is not that strong at all, is that everying else is completely meme as you said (except phantom, which because a lot of better option than boc when good geared), and that balance in solos is in a bad state because people are stacking pdr and suddently those who have magic damage are percieved as broken even when any range destroy them

[upper hearth]

Again that's assuming you go into a long hallway or large area with a ranger, if you do that your iq can't be above room temperature. Also I'm NOT saying to nerf BoC, it's adding a skill requirement to land your hits, similar to powerful weapons like the felling axe or other two handers. I'm also stating not to nerf the class but make more avenues for playstyles, you really don't see any demon forms or dark offering builds anymore, and it's sad because their both cool abilities.

[worldly fern]

Man, i understand your point, what i am saying is that BoC is a non issue so not need to add a skill requeriment for it (which is a nerf).

and i agree everything else need to get out of meme status

is the same with fighter, so many skills go mostly unused because sprint and second wind are a neccessity, or rage for barb

[upper hearth]

I guess we can agree to disagree on the BoC. The only real range I have encountered is bards, I honestly have seen very little from rangers this wipe. Glad we can both agree that the other abilities could use some love though. That demon form skill is insanely cool and wasted potential. It will be interesting to see if BoC will be hard countered later in wipe, and if the class will fall off.

[worldly fern]

My personal opinion is, move BoC to a spell and move bloodstained blade to a skill. So you can activate both bloodstained blade and demon form and go crazy.

[upper hearth]

I've said something similar in the past, where you should have multiple skills you can swap out for your demon form specifically rather than just the heal and dark bolt. Similar to your skills on the base warlock.

[worldly fern]

Buff to warlock in trios and slight improvement on demon form

I think they are too afraid of touching too much demon form because the insane +10 all scaling and the potential tankiness of stacking pdr with it

[upper hearth]

What would quantify as a buff to warlock in trios without making them broken in solos is what I'm curious about

[worldly fern]

i think moving boc to a spell and bsb to skill would be it. That way you can buff your frontline with BoC

And that also would make solo engagements more viable, since you cannot yolo a plate fighter with melees, gotta use curses and flamewalk for that

[upper hearth]

Ohhhh, yeah I see what you mean that would be pretty good, especially since their team wouldn't be able to heal. Maybe they should add a perk that decreases the damage taken by sacrifice to allies so you could temporarily buff them, maybe something akin to adrenaline so there are drawbacks if the fight isn't finished fast enough. The demon form should have some major weaknesses like heals damaging them..... If there is a major buff, maybe take away some pdr. The +10 all is okay to some extent, as they will take a good while to get back the shards(Unless you have a bard and that buff steal thing which frankly I find to be cheesy that it works on allies).

[worldly fern]

Yep, we are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with "what they want warlock to do in the game" with demon armor and demon form and the new perks. The biggest issue is the rock-paper-scissors thing is making solos a pain to play. and goblin caves being overall not loot worthy so you need to buy things on trade market make it even worse. So a lot of people, myself included, do not give a damn about loot in goblin caves and just go for pvp camping.
Is the old problem with this game, crypts are too good, ruins and gc pale in comparison

[upper hearth]

We also have to wait for the dust to settle to see how the gear changes and new items will affect the classes this wipe. The thing is that they either need to make the old, unused skills more viable by either buffing them and nerfing the others to make them on-par with each other, or add new items to the game to make it more viable. The best example is plate warlock, he used to be almost non-viable because of the lack of plate knowledge gear, now you can get to 10-20% spell casting with the plate and it makes it so you can actual play with plate and still cast. I'm hoping that a lot of the skills right now that are unused/underpowered because they are planning to add features later on that will make them more viable.

[worldly fern]

Yeah, we are on the same page, just difference on opinions on how to get to it. I love the idea of most unused suboptimals or meme skills and perks, i just hope this season is better than last balancewise and they give solo maps some love

[craggy kayak]

Can quests be made account wide, and crafts locked to account as well so people cant swap characters to check them all

[hardy vector]

nerf dark reflection and boc when

[strong grotto]

Got out of the game for a while and what do I see when return?

Rogue's silhouette is now visible when moving in Stealth.

THANK. YOU.
Now I DO see, that you losten I. Mace!
Please, do something with throwing meta and barbarians as well and we are GOLDEN!

[languid spoke]

they just destroyed throwing meta lol. it takes like 2 seconds to equip new throwables

[granite plinth]

brother that sht dont matter cause you can have 12 throwing axes equipped

[languid spoke]

sure but no access to pots. its 1000x better than it was. they prob need to add a cap or make axes take up 1 slot but progress is progress

[granite plinth]

you can take pot and still have 10 throwing weapons. but yes there needs to be a cap

[heady crypt]

i know people werent just talking about buffing warlock in any way right now in this state of the game

[proven patrol]

remoove ice caves and gooblin out of the game

[drifting fiber]

plz nerf warlock, so sick of getting kited. theres literally no counter play at all as a plate wearer. throw axe, strip naked, jump down hole.... or at least make them take a ton of extra divine damage so a cleric can do something to them

[granite plinth]

Jesus

That would be so insanely terrible. Considering bis wep with blow will one shot almost anyone in the game with a headshot.

[worldly fern]

yeah, and then nerf the scaling. It would then be a higher base ignite that scales worse only have one use and need to be reapplied but it deals extra damage to head and less to limbs

i don't see an issue that ignite does'nt curently have if they don't make it scale 100%

[granite plinth]

This I can get behind.

[worldly fern]

yeah, and that could make frontline + warlock + wizard viable

for insane melee and midrange confrontation and easlily countered by range

[granite plinth]

Play normals then. Thats why it’s there.

[worldly fern]

in normals? bard finding blues and purps? are you sure about that?

ok, i don't think people will agree bard luck makes them find blue and purples in normal mode easily but that is your opinion i guess

[granite plinth]

Yeah. No bud. Not how it works.

[proven finch]

As a bard main it unfortunately does

[worldly fern]

They said something about removing random modifier and implementing gems, probably for next wipe. This one will still be 50% luck 50% skill

[granite plinth]

Yeah it’s just not.

Youre not getting gear gapped in normals you might just be bad

[granite plinth]

Yeah. Go in whiff 3 hits. Die.

“Gear diff is crazy dude it’s not fair”

np 🐱

[worldly fern]

is not my experience neither in normals, not againt's bard, but maybe there is a exploit with luck we don't know about, maybe it hits a treeshold or something making it garanted purples in some chests

[granite plinth]

You just have crazy irl bad luck running into such geared bards in normals.

If you get gear gapped in normals theyd need to get blues-purples with like +all phys damage mods

It’s not meant to be insulting, just your reasoning is completely wrong. Meaning more than likely it’s a skill thing.

[worldly fern]

man, i never forget when someone was saying "evil eye is broken, nerf warlock evil eye" and i laughted at it. And it seems there was an exploit with evil eye, since then i try to listen more of what people says

[granite plinth]

Look go do runs with wanders luck that gives a whopping 50 luck. And see the gear you come out with.

I promise it won’t be as crazy as you’re making it out to be.

If you stream to me right now and come out with at least mostly blue and purple. I’ll give you 10k gold.

@lilac dirge

Free money

Ah it’s all good just switch to bard and message me when you’re ready.

Oh you start with one perk slot! So you can use the luck perk at level 1!

The rest of the perks won’t influence your luck and aren’t relevant to this argument.

[proven finch]

Anyone else think the bard perks are kinda ass?

[granite plinth]

Eh it depends. War song is crazy. Story teller is broken for clerics. Dancing feet move speed is amazing. Lore mastery and Fermata are nice to have. Sup dex makes you switch fast.

[granite plinth]

Charismatic performance is like 10-75% faster songs based on which one it is its the best perk on bard

[proven finch]

Been running mostly War song and Rapier mastery the last two have sorta been flippy floppy to me at least

[granite plinth]

OH YEAH how’d I forget that.

I’ll be in vc in 2 mins bud

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[granite plinth]

[dark dust]

@keen onyx
The game is currently taking 2x the Entrance Fee from players that are revived.
The entrance fee is also a little ridiculous at the moment. -600 at Voyager II. That's -1200 if you're revived.

Also, you misspelt EARLY in Early Access Season #2 -- It currently says Ealry ^.^ xD

[tulip venture]

I think it would be very difficult to do at the moment given the close implementation of multiclassing and that relying on levels

I would generally agree with this

[flint brook]

probably has been said before but please add a checkbox to search only for "useable items only" in the marketplace. would make searching a little easier while looking by slot or armor type

[tulip venture]

im sure its gonna happen soon

[naive ore]

an exit to lobby button on death cam would be nice: going back to the match only to go back to the lobby if you want to exit, feels like an unnecessary extra step

[graceful yew]

They really need to modify the Cave Troll loot room. It is incredibly punishing to classes that need to kite or anything like that. If a Barbarian walks down and decides to fight you you're just fucked with no way to avoid it

[pine comet]

Triple loot room

[granite plinth]

We need a teammate vouch channel to avoid problematic teammates. Could check someones vouches to get an idea if theyre solid.

example
Vouch @granite plinth solid cleric

Negative Vocuh @granite plinth ran off by himself and died, screamed at us for not helping

[torn cargo]

on everything you guys need to nerf fucking rogue to the ground

[small ibex]

decrease the pve ffs or at least make it easier to clear. no one wants to deal with pve for 80% of the game. it feels like padding

[civic zodiac]

if pve is decrease geared pvp sweat would just roam everywhere at the speed of light killing every1. once you know every room perfectly and every mobs moves clearing the rooms become faster and faster. it feeled a huge burden to me before but now i start clearing everything very fast and efficiently. just keep improving ur clearing speed.

[strong grotto]

An idea to fix throwables problem.
Take an example from your clone, Dungeonborne, and add a new equipment slot that is for throwables ONLY. Add the mechanic, that you CAN'T interact with backpack if you were damaged in last 5 seconds. That way it not only solves the problem of throwable meta, but also prevents the stupidity of unequipping your armor on the run.
Upvote if you agree: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541352/throwable-meta-solution

Also an improvemnt for melee and ranged: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[marble peak]

Axeman skeletons need work. Can't block their downward strike consistently and their sideswipe hits you even if you crouch. The difficulty is not in line with any other skeleton mob.
Crossbowman RNG is just stupid, no one every said "yeah thats fine" when full strafing but crossbow RNG domes you anyways.
Just my thoughts. They are unfun to play against imo. Just make crossbowman 100% accurate and its a GOOD mob. Make axeman swipe the old horizontal one and its a GOOD mob. Right now they are F tier.

The only consistent strategy for axemen is bait and punish wich would but them at the skeleton champion level of danger in my mind.

[marble peak]

DEMONFORM : when you swing with you LEFT hand.... you right hand can hit something and stop your attack....

i swear i have died more to demonform bugs than to players

[slim dove]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y5CjhzyIZio

[untold wyvern]

What if you could put a coin purse or coin bag on your tool belt and use it on treasure piles. Like your scoping the gold into your bag. It would make the coin containers a neat risk vs reward thing. Maybe it could help with the new steep ap entry fees. 1 coin per 1 ap so a coin bag could give 1000 ap if its completely full idk how many coin you should get per pull though

[worn pagoda]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541393/what-about-a-massive-map-and-no-timer

Idea for a massive map for a bunch of players. I do think it would take IM a long time to implement this if they would ever consider it, but I do think it would be neat. What are your thoughts?

[zenith wave]

Can we get a Shift + 1-3 + Right-Click - To send items between our storage boxes?

[tulip venture]

You can jump up on top of some boxes and blast him from there

[cyan fable]

I have a stash page full of 7k gold. I have no more space for the 3k needed for the next upgrade. How does one overcome this?

[calm echo]

Add queue for 3rio with preview team before match

[marble peak]

Half the amount of amulet drops and double the amount of ring drops. also make green amulets less complete garbage

[hallow flare]

Game fun, very good atm tbh outside high roller. High roller just needs to be reworked. They want people to fight and do PvP, but no amount of bonus AP for kills is going to change the fact the way high roller and AP works makes it much more rewarding to avoid. I think the problem is, I don’t think it is controversial to say that if you are good, you should almost always extract. The problem is, it feels like this game makes you have to be better then everyone else in the lobby to constantly do. Idk how they fix it, but as it stands it feels like there is a lot of internal debate that is conflicting with having a consistent direction for the game.

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541428/multiclassing-should-start-at-level-20-or-keep-it-how-it-is-now-but-dont-make-it

[ashen nymph]

can you play the game on linux ?

[median peak]

please get rid of the 1 min spectate limit, its so annoying not getting to see how things end

[languid spoke]

am i crazy or is back flip kinda good now

[hallow flare]

I guess they are worried about pre teamers giving info? Seems dumb but that’s the only reason I can think of

[arctic flame]

no, you will get banned, many have tried and gotten banned.
Why would you want to game on a non native system? windows will give you more performance than linux for a non linux native game

[arctic flame]

you have to sell some of your crap to make room for more gold. Try to complete the quest that gives you a 1k gold bag. will save like 20 slots

[hallow flare]

It gives rogues actual tech against PDR builds now, especially clerics

Actually can’t wait to mulitclass it on PDR fighter because it scales with action speed lol

[devout elk]

What if the rate at which you recover health from sitting down increased slightly based on how long you had been sitting? currently at 1hp/2sec, it takes 200sec(3+mins)to regain 100 hp as a barbarian class. what if like after 25 seconds it went up to 1hp/1sec and then after 50 sec 2hp/1sec? I think this change would be amazing for the quality of life while not compromising balance

[arctic flame]

no one sittings down to heal, we bring 15 potions and 35 bandaids into every lobby

[merry kestrel]

victory strike should heal 15% on hit, keep CD and all other bonuses the same

it's absurd that warlocks can heal 3% of their HP per hit with a perk that grants bonus damage and fighters dont have better frontline sustain abilities

[slim hinge]

whens the blood pact nerf coming completley broken in solos increase the health loss to 5% per second so they cant just run you down with it for minutes while you cant do any damage to them

[ripe yoke]

I mean the have a half health heal

[glacial sphinx]

warlock spells cost hp

[cloud wigeon]

They new perk heals for 3 hp per hit

[cunning gorge]

After months of the entire community letting you know the rockfall phase of the cyclops is complete RNG - do you think you could maybe change the fight? Maybe have your one Q/A person try the fight themselves to see how unreal it is plz? Thx

[merry kestrel]

I didnt know phantomize and boc cost hp

[cunning gorge]

Please make it so a player other then a super kitted toon with a lot of damage and HP or a shriek of weakness user can survive the cyclops rock fall phase - the RNG element isn't fun

[glacial sphinx]

those are skills, spells are when they cast using spell memory

[merry kestrel]

and they have 5 spells as part of spell memory, 2 of which heal them as well, and they don't even have to take spell memory

the kits are lopsided to incredible levels lmao

[soft nebula]

now that everyone is leveled with their classes, can we make the grind to lvl 15 shorter? the only people this is affecting now is new players who are gonna take AGES to level against experienced players. this only helps to make their time playing the game significantly more unenjoyable, same as with the market. theyre stuck with no gear, no decent way to spend the bit of gold they get, and the image in their head that the game is way too hard when in reality those 4 perks are game changing. pls consider the newer guys

[dense rune]

sucks there is no way to report cheaters :/
just got one shot by a cleric's fist lol. 110 health instantly deleted. nice 1v1 i guess

[long blade]

what do you mean there is no way to report cheaters

[dense rune]

like in spectator after they kill me? no prompt anywhere at all

[outer mirage]

Press R for Report

[cedar hornet]

@keen onyx Why does Eldritch Shield use the Shards when there is no benefit for that? I suggest that Eldritch Shield shouldn't be dark magic.

[livid mason]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541526/completing-a-merchant-quest-should-give-player-experience wrote a post about it (anyones) thoughts?

[zinc jewel]

can you show the kill feed only for your party? i.e. who killed what

[hearty slate]

Please consider changing/fixing trio matchmaking. Lobbies were full and games were fun on the first day and my trio reached blue rank very quickly. After that, there are have been nothing but empty lobbies or maybe 1-2 gigageared teams per game. Game is not fun when there are no people. EU server.

[hallow flare]

Just show the kill feed all the time, I like it, it’s generally entertaining

[drifting fiber]

crafting system needs a rework. i worked really hard to collect some great plate armor to turn into cobalt armor, only for it to turn into the shittiest garbage tier blues ive ever had the displeasure of seeing.

[tulip venture]

It’s intended atm

[storm blade]

Magic damg right now is completely busted

[tulip venture]

Yeah it’s absurd that it apples to some spells multiple times

[storm blade]

When magic damg does more damg the any other att in the game is wild to me

A warmaul does less damg than a fireball lmao what is this game on

[drifting fiber]

@tulip venture its fucking stupid. its just random. why collect good greens to turn into random garbage?

[tulip venture]

Why would you use good greens rather than ones with bad rolls

[drifting fiber]

@Jake(Wraith) because it should add more effects to the prexisting rolls, not make a random piece of dogsh1t hot garbage

[storm blade]

Should abd does are completely diffrent things

[drifting fiber]

whats the point in putting in all that work to get those materials if the outcome is completely uncontrolable. im never crafting again because hours of my life were just wasted

[tulip venture]

Yeah I mean a base fireball does 20 + 15 splash damage and with + 15 damage it does 35 + 30 damage and if they have like +80% magic damage it’s doing over 100 and we aren’t counting a headshot multiplier

[storm blade]

Like why is that a thing it's insane right now

[drifting fiber]

to be completely punished for crafting is insane.

[tulip venture]

Yeah stacking damage I think will always be kinda a problem

[storm blade]

Maybe it's just me but I don't think a rang att should 2 shot anyone

[drifting fiber]

im so pissed off right now

[storm blade]

You clearly don't understand crafting you craft with worst in slot items

[drifting fiber]

@storm blade it doesnt say that anywhere.

[storm blade]

I agree with you that it's not clear but know you know never craft with good items ever

[hot hemlock]

Complaining crafting is bad because you used your best stuff with randomized crafts is mad dumb

[storm blade]

So is magic damg + all stats alot of stuff is

[drifting fiber]

@storm blade i know now that whatever u put in will give you a totally random piece of gear with a +95% chance of being completely garbage, so never ever ever ever spend time dedicated to collecting the materials because in that same time u could find random blues on a normal goblin cave getting better random blue rolls.

[storm blade]

Correct lmao

[drifting fiber]

then why have crafting at all?? if it punishes you so brutally for even touching it, why ever try?

[storm blade]

Well last patch it was completely broken you could get bis easy

[drifting fiber]

how?

[storm blade]

It showed all stats when you were crafting

[drifting fiber]

and you could pick and choose?

[storm blade]

Yes

Just like wizard was bad and now it's best in the game

[drifting fiber]

thats broken. so they punish the crafting system by making it totally random. great. they should let u keep the donor item enchant and add a random.

[storm blade]

I don't disagree with you I mean they can't balance well at all IMO

They went from +all to no +all now + all is back

They legit going on circles TTK was high then they fixed it now TTK is legit 2 shots for every class

Games not fun with gear anymore when everyone is legit 2 shooting everyone

[merry kestrel]

Adjust Spell Overload to be +3 spell slots and can't use spell memory 2, thanks

[civic grotto]

can we do something about money storage?

money bags are a stupid way to hold 5000+ gold, please add a way to store gold more space-efficently

[storm blade]

You mean like a number at the bottom of the screen like every other game lmao

[merry kestrel]

Make Dark Reflect only trigger on successful blocks to give Warlocks meaningful playstyle choices and other players a way to play around it. Give players agency on both sides of the perk.

[trail holly]

would be nice to be able to buy a name change with tokens

[tulip venture]

I’m a big fan of buying rings for future kits as long as you’re buying good rings their worth like 5x a gold coin pouch

[bitter kestrel]

buff ranged weapon damage (bows and crossbows) but implement accuracy debuffs for moving while shooting. then make the kinesthesia perk for rangers reduce the debuff

[idle shadow]

We all know that bard has no good skills at all... The newest one could have some potential but its really just not worth bringing when you could have a whole other wheel. However what if bard had a skill that would silence his music for other players for 15 seconds or so, could actually be a usable skill.

[tulip venture]

That would be very good and other than song of silence I don’t think it would be broken

[idle shadow]

I agree that does need questioning, other thing that could be questionable is song of shadow in trios/duos

[weak tartan]

im going to build a bot to say "nerf warlocks" till someone does on the development team it has to many 0 effort builds. rather be w keyed by a barb

[light hound]

I mean, low TTK is actually more balanced than high TTK, because gear gap is way more pronounced in prolonged fights

[light hound]

Zero effort builds? You mean BOC dagger? That's a super pokeable and kitable setup. Demon Form? Kite through doors and make him waste it, then counter engage. Torture Mastery? Healing is slow, and damage might be very low, so just hit with some ranged and follow the phantomize. Lifedrain? Force a lifedrain then push to prevent healing

[storm blade]

I'm so lost I agree with you lower time to kill is better I don't understand what you are saying

Currently if I have BIS gear you need 15 hits to kill me and I need 2
You legit can't win vs BIS gear
If we both have hood gear its back to 2 or 3 kits to kill not fun

[forest pine]

Soooo hear me out guys how about we add a goblet gobbler head piece right and it’s just my ball sack drooping down their face

Equipable for all classes

[light hound]

The way you were talking, it sounded like you weren't happy about the balance of everyone 2 shotting, but my point was just that a low TTK (killing everyone in 2 shots) is actually more balanced than a long time to kill.

Now if you're saying having gear and being basically unstoppable is fun (or more fun than a 2 shot meta), I agree with you on the killing end

[merry kestrel]

Keep Shadow Touch but buff Victory Strike to heal 15% HP on hit regardless of if it's a killing blow or not

Don't touch Dark Reflection scaling but make it only trigger on a successful block

[hushed gate]

Gotta agree man, sounds like a perfect fresh item for the game! Any stat line ideas?

[forest pine]

Str and agil

And high luck

[proven valley]

Suggestion, fix this bug:
Friend traded expensive loot back to me. I equipped it in inventory. I equiped a few more items. I had it on for 5 minutes in lobby. The loot traded over to me disappeared from my character after going into the market place then exiting. The things I equipped from my stash did not disappear. I restarted the game and clearly checked everywhere is stash, still gone.

[viscid hollow]

Why doesnt ap work like in most battle royal games like fortnite or apex?

[unborn terrace]

this isnt a battle royal game

[velvet saddle]

Has anyone found "prison a" or is it still broken?

[loud cliff]

Problem I see - HUGE gap in loot between normals and HR. Most in HR spend hundreds per kit and when you leave a full normal run you likely have a couple greens and white items. There either needs to be a middle tier gameplay or my current suggestion... To have normals with items no lower than White(common). With rough droprate in chests and items with Common as a base loot quality. So roughly item rarity of like... 50% common(white) 40% uncommon(green) and 9% rare(blue) 1% (purple)

Leave the lower qualities as starter and basic trader tier loot. Goal is to make it easier for players to go from normal runs to HR runs by making loot slightly better.

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/541428/multiclassing-should-start-at-level-20-or-keep-it-how-it-is-now-but-dont-make-it