suggestion-discussion

[tiny wigeon]

Konate, have u tried dual wield fighter with crystal ball + one handed? It’s great ! Crystal ball gives great stats , you can run it with a dagger to make up for movement speed penalty
I saw a streamer , his dagger stabs were doing 55/57/59 damage on dummy

[indigo egret]

Yes currently only warlock and cleric use magical healing, and I do think they more things need to scale from them ie health pots and all abilities in general that provide a heal.

[merry kestrel]

Wdym? Crystal Ball doesn't give any additional damage. The weapon damage is just a ghost stat for some reason. I know the video you're talking about - read the pinned comment on the video. Crystal Ball is -25 MS for no benefits to fighter outside of any green or higher enchants on it.

[indigo egret]

This is correct it would be b3tter to run a lantern or a Castilian secondary, unless IM changes it to work that way

[tiny wigeon]

Crystal ball gives u stats , and running slayer fighter it’s even more stats , I didn’t see any video, all I can tell u is that this dude was doing 55/57/59 per stab, one shotting goblins

[merry kestrel]

Yes, and he would have been doing the same with a lantern or castillon. Join a class channel - specifically fighter - and read the pins. I have a whole write up on how to build a slayer.

[tiny wigeon]

Alright , little surprised the streamer that been playing this since playtest 1, didn’t know about this but sure I believe you

I’ll read on it thanks for sharing

[merry kestrel]

Most streamers aren't actually that good at the games they play, or are otherwise not that in-depth and only have practical skill. A lot of them don't actually delve into the mechanics of the game or do rigorous testing, since their primary purpose is entertainment.

[indigo egret]

Any off hand weapon can provide stats but people were saying that the magical weapon damage that the crystal ball has actually adds damage when it actually doesn't.

[merry kestrel]

Crystal Ball actually has a "weapon damage" stat. The problem is that it just doesn't do anything since you can't attack with Crystal Balls anyway.

[indigo egret]

Yes exactly as I said, I do think that is should though

[tiny wigeon]

Ok , but u can’t attack with your chest piece aswell that had weapon damage ( or did on previous patch )
Is that the basis for you saying it does nothing? Because it’s still a stat that you have out and are using.
Sure most streamers can be like that , but this dude is one of the best dark and darker players imo

[merry kestrel]

Those have "additional weapon damage", not "weapon damage" as listed on a weapon as a base value.

When you're dual wielding, your short sword doesn't add to your arming sword.

[tiny wigeon]

If you have actually tested it’s one thing, if the argument is “it has weapon damage but you can’t attack with it” it’s something else

Really? When you dual wielding , your offhand weapon stats don’t come into play? That’s kind of fucked

[merry kestrel]

That's not what I said at all man

[indigo egret]

I have tested and it doesn't work

[short heath]

It adds to your main hand weapon damage.

[merry kestrel]

Show me. I have done testing. All of #fighter has done testing. There are pinned comments on the videos that say it doesn't.

[indigo egret]

No it doesn't

[merry kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OD1pXO9EJQ

First comment, pinned by the author

Pinned by Cranberry
@RedxFrost
4 days ago
Crystal ball does nothing for you and is actually harmful. The weapon damage implicit is the same stat as holding any other random weapon. It's not like the weapon damage enchant. Not only is the crystal ball not working, but it also lowers your physical power bonus by 10% while you attack (you can see the red icon while you're swinging). The damage formula supports this as well. 5+2+23 = 30 weapon damage. -5% phys power bonus total from 5% start and -10% from weapon mastery. Dummy has -12% pdr. This calculates to 30*.95*1.12 = 31.92 = 31 shown on dummy for body shot.

Will the enchants add to your main hand? Yes. Just like anything else.

But crystal ball specifically has a ghost "weapon damage" stat that does nothing.

[tiny wigeon]

So let’s say you have two weapons, your offhand weapon gives you 2 strength, you get those bonuses from having it out, but if it’s weapon damage, it’s not applied to the main hand, only to the weapon the +weapon damage is attached to?

[merry kestrel]

There is "weapon damage" and then there's "+ weapon damage."

You do not gain the weapon damage. You always gain the + weapon damage.

Please be specific because you're causing your own confusion.

[agile heath]

It's just like having any other weapon offhand it's the damage stat for that weapon when swinging but since you can't attack with crystal ball it's moot

[tiny wigeon]

Bro , we are talking about modifiers you can get on your weapons, I always meant + weapon damage.
I know that if you have two daggers out, the 2nd daggers damage isn’t added to 1st one, but if the 2nd dagger has + weapon damage , then it applies to 1st dagger.
I always meant that you c an get useful stats on crystal ball and use it with your one handed , maybe I was unclear

[merry kestrel]

Okay then yes, a crystal ball with useful stats is "technically" working but you're taking a 10% penalty to damage anyway due to weapon mastery.

[tiny wigeon]

Sure , and what’s bonus for slayer perk?

[merry kestrel]

+5 Weapon Damage
which you gain with a lantern or dagger anyway

[tiny wigeon]

Alright alright

[agile heath]

It would always be better to have a grey lantern even because of the lacking negative MS and not being penalized by weapon mastery DMG reduction

[short heath]

I guess @tiny wigeon already educated you both, so I don't have to do the math for you. Good talk @merry kestrel and @indigo egret

[merry kestrel]

... what

[short heath]

+wep damage implicit stat on crystal ball applies to your main hand weapon

[merry kestrel]

there is no +weapon damage "implicit" stat on crystal balls, just green or better enchantments.

[short heath]

Holy

[eager sleet]

Ok so as a warlock running crystal ball actually makes my melee attacks weaker?

[merry kestrel]

no, since you don't have to use a fighter's weapon mastery perk. but it doesn't make them stronger either. the magic damage DOES add to BOC however.

[eager sleet]

Weird wonder why there's that useless physical damage mod on it I assumed it made melee a tad better

[short heath]

Because it isn't useless. It applies to your main weapon damage. I've said this 3 times now.

[merry kestrel]

it doesn't.

a weapon damage enchantment will. the weapon damage listed on crystal balls is not a base stat like "Strength" on riveted gloves.

[hallow saffron]

the Physical weapon damage mod should be applied to the main hand weapon. the magical damage wouldnt be.

[merry kestrel]

whether it should or shouldn't be, it currently isn't

[tiny wigeon]

Should be able to throw crystal balls one time use xD , I prob would get hurt more getting a crystal ball tossed at me then a drum ahah

[eager sleet]

Bro got slapped in the face with a fushigi 💀

Just add throwable rocks that do damage based on size. No scaling just flat damage

[crisp sentinel]

Hear me out. Throwable weapons (like main and off hand). Lets make it so a barbarian with an inventory of felling axes is the most intimidating person in the lobby

[tiny wigeon]

Ahah u guys silly

[merry kestrel]

I've wanted a stack of javelins for barbarians for a while, like a stack of 10 to go in their secondary weapon slot

[tiny wigeon]

Javelin is kind of hot ngl

[crisp sentinel]

Facts

[wanton horizon]

HOW TO DEAL WITH CHINESE MARKET: make trade chat possibility to post items + numbers only OR add BUY button for your items...... no CNY bull**** 😉

[crisp sentinel]

Imagine all throwables got up to a stack of 10 like knives and axes. Id be tempted to run a rogue round with an inventory of throwing knives with rupture and just be a rat and attack from a far🤣🤣

[wanton horizon]

yeah thats worst idea ever, if you could stack up throwables, then you will have so many rogues wannabe rangers

[merry kestrel]

no

[crisp sentinel]

It was a joke if you didn’t get that💀

[wanton horizon]

it was agreeing with you if you didn't get that

[crisp sentinel]

My message got blocked 💀
Basically it was add an escape minimum to use trade chat of 5 or 10. Which would make it harder for them to access it.
Adding a report feature in game in trade halls would help too

[wanton horizon]

My thought was creating a BUY button instead of opening chat, where you can make a deal. If you can only post item and set the buy price, there is no need for additional text like website where you can buy gold, or any other additional text. I don't think that auction itself is great idea, because people would use it as additional stash, but make possibility to sell those items only while you are online in chat could make a sense to me. I'm not even sure, if any DEV read those messages in here

[hallow saffron]

huh. just tested and wow it truly is not working as intended.. it has an innate weapon damage mod that doesnt do anything cause it cant be used as a melee weapon. thats scuffed af. I swear it used to work properly .-.

[crisp sentinel]

my biggest problem with that, is that would take away the player interaction of negotiating price or doing item for item trades. but it would be a way to eliminate the issue at face value

[wanton horizon]

I mean there are many options, this would also speed up option imho, because so many people takes your trade just to negotiate or check stats, but if he don't buy your potential buyer would be already gone.... So that's not a bad idea just remove negotiate option, but stick to static price. If you won't be able to sell your item, then you will go down and try to sell it that way.

Tarkov also have option, that you are able to sell 2 items only at same time, until it's sold, but if you build a "reputation", then it increase and allow you to sell more.

THIS feature would also help with cheaters ("farmers") problem, because you will remove their reaches and make it harder for them to sell their golds for real money

[crisp sentinel]

honestly, i think if they added in backend tracking of lobbys. like have a 'lobby id' and if the same accounts connected to the same lobbys over a set period of time repeatidly then it would either temp ban the account or suspend it. or something along those lines where it hits the source of the problem. that being the "farmers" effiency, because if its too slow to gain money on here they will find a game that is effectively faster as a money maker

[indigo egret]

That's what we've been saying, I belive it should work though and IM needs to either fix it or reword the Stat on the crystal ball

[eager sleet]

So like an auction house

[wanton horizon]

I don't see how this process could be automated. The game takes an average of 10-20 minutes to play, which, given the number of lobbies and active players forms a large database. How to set the data so that legitimate players are not punished for this ? Not to mention that these farmers can change characters quite often.

[eager sleet]

You could just modify it to where the item stays in your stash till it's bought, if your worried about it being extra stash space what do you think an acct shared stash will do

[dark leaf]

HOW TO GIVE CLASS ROLE?

[wanton horizon]

Not exactly an auction house like WoW or Tarkov have, but instead of open trade where you could negotiate the price, just make it like SET the price and other side wil see the BUY button only. Everything else keep the same

[eager sleet]

I'd rather have an auction house, sift through the CRAP and see if I can buy exactly what I want. No middle man no stupid person in chat just copy WoW's ah

[wanton horizon]

I meant that you put e.g. green legs on sale for 1000g and you will have excess space in your inventory because nobody will buy them at that price

[crisp sentinel]

say the game saved your last 5-10 match id's (like how it saves previous teammates for karma). when queued into a game, all players would be cross referenced in the pregame lobby and if the same player id's had been in the last however many games they would be flagged for manual review. or something of that nature, so potential account bans could be issued if the suspicion was strong enough

[eager sleet]

They would just modify it so it stays in your stash until it sells

[eager sleet]

Alternatively you get an Id match in the ques that makes it impossible to reque for say an hour unless the game becomes so dead where there's like 100 people playing at a given moment

[crisp sentinel]

as just a raw idea it'd work, cause i dont think the farmers make enough to buy new accounts every week lol

[wanton horizon]

This is not easy to do. You would still have to solve the problem that the item can't be used by you or moved, then there is the number of free slots in the inventory, e.g. pants take instead of 2×3 = 6 positions, so the price shouldn't exceed 300g, and how to solve it if the buyer won't have money pouches?

[eager sleet]

I still think you're overly worried about it being stash space

[wanton horizon]

The problem is from countries of economic non-prosperity, i.e. by this cheating method they earn more than they would in their country by normal work

[eager sleet]

Idk many people at all that actually like trade chat. I flat out refuse to use it bc it's so bad

[wanton horizon]

Not at all, I'm just saying what the problems are from a programming standpoint. WoW has goldy separated from inventory, so it's not a problem.

[crisp sentinel]

yeah but if their account is banned or suspended. they'd have to re-purchase the game in order to play/ make money while their original account is unable. making it affectively a bad game for them to abuse for financial gain

@wanton horizon 💀 yeah but realistically, if you had two games with simillar earning potential but one game your accounts kept getting banned forcing you to spend money on a new account. then you had a game where that wasnt an issue. the profit margin skrinks significantly and becomes worth a lot less to exploit

[eager sleet]

Maybe they should do that too and just not worry about stash space I don't think the current system really adds much to the game

Add a few more gold sinks outside of just gear and consumables

Add the qol changes so people aren't groaning with frustration while playing the game. It's the testing phase who gives a shit

[wanton horizon]

I disagree for simply reason, if you have unlimited space you have no reason to trade good items, that are usable for any of your character. You won't have as many items to trade, so some players will never get that gear. Whoever starts early and gets the advantage of rare items will overwhelm everyone else they meet and people will start leaving. We are more or less seeing that now. The drop of rare items is drastically reduced and you only encounter 2 extremes in the game. Geared people, or grey/white with few green pieces people.

[eager sleet]

If I don't play the class I'm trading it

[wanton horizon]

You personally might, but a lot of people play multiple characters. With the way it's set up now, you can find a lot of items in the auction. If the inventory was uncapped, then a lot of items will disappear from circulation and there will be overbuyers who will buy up all the items with TOP stats for disgustingly high prices.

[eager sleet]

I don't have a means to xfer gear to classes I do play. Idgaf about other players in the game. Me selling them items technically puts me at a disadvantage. People already start early and have the advantage. I'm not necessarily saying have unlimited space. But if half my inventory is gold bags I think there's a problem

[wanton horizon]

Now one of the main stats is additional physical damage, so let's say people will buy every single item for 50-100gold and sell it for 1000g. And who do you think this will help? Only the sellers of gold for real money.

[wanton horizon]

Gold bags can be exchanged for valuable items such as Golden Key or Gold Ingots, etc.

[eager sleet]

That's literally items I have no use for

Golden key is stupid inflated it's a joke. Gold ingots cool let me go to inferno as a solo and get all the other items I need to make a legendary item I'll likely never use

[wanton horizon]

You buy golden key for 1250 gold, you sell golden key for 1250 gold, but difference is that golden key takes you 2 slots, but 1250 gold takes you 25 slots

I'm sorry, but just don't know what are you talking about my dude.

[eager sleet]

If I have a gold key I have to trade it specifically for 1250g worth of bags to trade for items in a chat system that's already bad

I'd rather just have a number at the bottom of my stash and actually use the key instead of having it as a glorified gold bag

[limber dock]

you can sell it for ingots for example though, and then sell those...

[eager sleet]

That doesn't help the problem

[wanton horizon]

If you want to buy named item, nobody will sell you that for gold, because nobody will multiple trade you for your bags. You are just running lowkey farming simulator.

[limber dock]

and also, are you familiar with the gold ores in the ruins map? what are you saying about getting it in inferno? definitely easier as a solo vs2, than in crypts vs3 and then inferno

[eager sleet]

This game is already low-key farming simulator

[wanton horizon]

Golden key or golden ingots are just different currency of payment, everyone has same inventory space and rich inventories trade gold for keys, thats how this game works

[eager sleet]

My experience in solo crypts was awful and I can only play in caves

[eager sleet]

And I think that system sucks

[limber dock]

that's indeed a you issue, if ya wanna have the strength of a team of 3, the game asks you to be a team of 3

[jolly ledge]

solo crypts as rogue is fun af

[eager sleet]

I don't have 2 other players

So what am I supposed to do just not play 2/3s of the games available content

[jolly ledge]

Yeah I wish they make solos for ruins and crypts

with less loot for all the solos, or 16 solos with same loot as example

[limber dock]

didn't you know that before you spent your money on the game...? and also, servers have lfg groups for getting people, i don't have friends who like this game either and i've played some crypts matches

[limber dock]

yep and also 3v3 in goblins, i like the map itself and it'd be cool to play it with my group

[eager sleet]

I did they all quit

I refuse to play with randoms good way to lose everything if you get the wrong player or one that screws you over

[jolly ledge]

My friends that got me into the game quit 💀 and now im decent at the game and cant play with them

[limber dock]

there's literally rep systems for that

[eager sleet]

Exactly what happened

That rep system doesn't look like it does anything

[jolly ledge]

Ik like 6 people who bought this game and only 2 still play as far as Ik

my bf and one of my good friends lol

[eager sleet]

Had a whole 3 man 2 quit bc they kept nerfing his class and the other was tired of playing spectator simulator bc a guy had a green weapon and 2-3 tapped him

[jolly ledge]

Ive come to learn the most important pieces of gear is your weapon and skill at the game, all other gear is just carrying you

[eager sleet]

People kinda underestimate how much damage a good weapon puts out over stock or white. Literally you can have stock kit as long as you have a good weapon you can kill most players unless it's like full pdr or a buffed barb

[nimble igloo]

works for rogue who get free kills on anything with no plate or wizards I guess

[jolly ledge]

this also heavily applies to archers and fighters

[eager sleet]

It's so cruddy to just lose bc I hit the guy upwards 5 times and he kills me bc he's a fighter with a green arming sword with a better str stat

[jolly ledge]

maybe even barbs

[nimble igloo]

I went up against a cleric on my fighter with slayer build, hit the guy 6 times in the head then he 1 shot me

[eager sleet]

Lock staff is so trash they should start with a falchion or hell a crystal sword stock item

[jolly ledge]

Just need better weapon and your killing people, unlessd they have full purp or green with an amulet and 2 rings, they are just being carried by gear, literally, bc they play more

[limber dock]

So you're rejecting it while you haven't tried it? cool

[eager sleet]

Cleric gets a mace shield and a staff just bc lock magic cost HP and is slightly more offensive is not a good tradeoff

[limber dock]

I also don't only mean the ingame rep systems, i mean some discord servers where people can get reputation points after playing and not killing you, and therefore you know who you can and can't trust

[jolly ledge]

ye default gear warlock is prob the worst ingame, only competitors are wizard and rogue

[eager sleet]

More like I have no confidence in it actually doing anything bad karma could mean anything same with good karma there's no rewards or penalties for it

I'd be more trusting in it if they added a tool tip explaining what it does besides it being like redit karma

[limber dock]

then do whatever you want, there's no one more blind that they who don't want to see 🤷

[limber dock]

it literally does that, shows that you can/can't be trusted

[eager sleet]

I have less issues with rouge gear besides them not having a bandage I think their biggest issue is str being 1 stat counting for 2 things so at the same time as having a negative phys damage rating they also have microscopic HP while having good agility

[jolly ledge]

I think rogue should start with 2 bandages

only since you cant stack them up in inventory

[eager sleet]

Ok so who's to say it's not like reporting people in league as unskilled player. Immediately you no longer get to use the LFG feature bc your karma is low

Even good karma players can screw you over by ditching you the system doesn't explain anything

Its not a good system

[eager sleet]

At least one I often don't get hit by the npcs as a rouge unless I rubber band back into it but I've seen some hits hit me and it not make any sense. Server issues I'm guessing. Imo every class should have 1 healing item in their stock kit

[hot hemlock]

Wdym

You can stack any consumable now other than Oil Lanterns

[eager sleet]

Yea they just changed it consumables stack now

[limber dock]

it's more likely, with that attitude you could play with your father and you could still doubt him, there's no 100% trusting, only up to 99%

[jolly ledge]

I mean you cant horde your stock bandages in inventory

[eager sleet]

That yea kinda just pushes you into a suicide run just to reset your knives etc

[limber dock]

so what would exactly be a good system for you? not being able to play with anyone else? making the game PvE and offline or what

[subtle beacon]

I suggest that you are able to chat after you have pressed the first trade button, otherwise you can't say thanks or anything to the person, if they want the trade to be a social thing then let people be social, or don't have it as a social thing at all

[eager sleet]

I think a system that when you look at their profile they get a whole list of what they got the point for
Bad karma listing if they just aren't that good, friendly fired, rude, or not a team player. While good karma says the opposite. Just having good karma could just mean they're a good player but they're insufferable as a person degrading the whole experience.

[limber dock]

yeah I don't really like that you can't, that's a small thing but yk

[limber dock]

still doesn't make you trust anyone 100% like you apparently ask for

[subtle beacon]

I mean, either have it social, cos that's the most social part for me, to be able to be like, oh thanks! when they put in more stuff than I bargained for or put more money, but NO you can't, but trade is social, we want a social trade. Or I don't need it at all

[eager sleet]

No it wouldn't I don't expect complete trust. But I also dislike playing with randoms in general if they added a mode with friendly fire off and I got paired with randoms I'd be more accepting but I risk too much going in with gear to pick a random and get screwed over

[limber dock]

lol I don't think people like the social part of trades as much as you, but that detail would definitely be nice

[limber dock]

yeah and that maybe be the reason why you can all enter the matches with basic gear??????

[subtle beacon]

No I don't care for the social part tbh, I just wanna go back into game, make proper chat rooms or some shit instead, or be able to write mails to ppl about shit, I'm just trying to make the trade social then, if that's their point, but for me.. I waste SO much time in trade, sit there my whole gaming evening trying to sell stuff.. because the people that want to buy it might not even be in the trade currently

[limber dock]

yeah the trade system is a thing that people have really complained for since the start, it's not very good i'll give you that

[subtle beacon]

When there's A LOT of people it makes kinda sense, 300 ppl sitting in there, but sometimes there's 50 people.. all selling

[eager sleet]

Going into something like ruins or crypts as a group with stock/whites is begging for failure

[limber dock]

I see, then what other 4th map are you all supposed to get your gear from exactly?

[eager sleet]

Just part of it everyone hypes up caves as the place you go to gear up and get gold. I hate/am bored with caves so I don't have any other options rn

Ideally as a solo player you grind it out in caves then go to ruins or crypts, do your due diligence first

[merry kestrel]

Have all items available in junk version so we can run free loadouts

Open all perks and skills to all classes so we're really only picking starting stats and starting junk gear

[eager sleet]

Agreed let me customize my starter kit even though everyone is going to take a 2 handers. Or at the very least give me a few more options for my class. Anything to get away from that god awful lock stock staff

[pine comet]

Hell yea, lemme run blow of corruption with smite while using ignite haste invis wizard crystal sword, nvm this doesnt work

[elder field]

Remove the torture mastery perk and just have the healing be apart of certain spells

[eager sleet]

There's not a point you aren't running that unless you just forego spells should just be base kit. Also indicate that power of sacrifice actually heals if on enemies unless that is a bug

[short crypt]

Do the devs actually read this channel? I have some suggestions, but idk if they would even read them here

[frigid merlin]

Guys i have a question, if two people queue up into goblin caves at the same time they don't team and they don't interfere with eachother that should be bannable or no? because i don't know i saw someone doing it and idk if im suppused to report

[sinful flare]

Queueing together in advanced is illegal

[mellow axle]

Dog water take can we ban this guy for this

[merry kestrel]

they read the actual suggestions posted on the website if they're upvoted

[unborn mulch]

Suggection: Make the additional stashes available to all characters so you can trade without having to trust someone or getting a friend to go out of their way to transfer for you. Think this would be a great QoL

[hardy onyx]

Make clarities and blue pots available for purchase and have them scale to a restoration point of 1 spell of each type per use so we dont have to sit and get scammed by rmt'ers

[short crypt]

-Allow us to buy multiple items from merchants in one go, instead of having to spam 'Make a Deal' and 'Fill Bag'
repeatedly
-When in the Stash menu, add a 'Stash All' button in our inventories, instead of having to manually stash every item
-Add an 'Auto Sort' button for Inventories/Stash
-When equipping an item from a chest/mob and our inventory is full, deposit the equipment into the chest/mob if our inventory has no space
-When opening the Class tab, make the Perk & Skills tab the default to show up since Trading is still locked
-Add a pop-up for players joining Trade Channels that do not have enough gold for the Trade Fee/unable to type in Trade Chat
-Allow us to "Silence" players in the trade chat
-Add a 'Sell All' button when selling to merchants. This will select all eligible items to be sold to the merchant from our inventory
-When searching in Player List, allow us to hit 'Enter' to search, instead of only clicking the search button

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505555/quality-of-life-additions - if you guys think these are good, I'd appreciate the votes

[pale gorge]

Maybe Dev's could give ranger damage back and just scale down the damage with distance

[naive elk]

No.

[scarlet temple]

Lmao ok wiz main

I should be allowed to talk to other players when I die while I'm spectating and give them words of encouragement and induce scyzho thoughts and they can't talk back and just listen to me the entire time

[wheat garnet]

Worst take yet

[magic yacht]

No 🙂

[graceful frost]

Yeah they ruined ranger and rogue with the dmg. There were already not great

[azure radish]

Dungeon size should be tripled. Doesnt make sense that you can run into the whole lobby in a single game.

[outer lotus]

Make three level maps. Start ruins (make it bigger) with 36 players, 18 blue portals spawn to extract and 18 red portals spawn to go down to crypts, then 9 portals spawn to extract and 9 to hell.

[round haven]

game is unplayable for someone who doesnt want to dump hours into it. Makes no sense to play against someone kitted full purple in the dungeon when i dont have shit. Yeah, im not the greatest, but its not fun losing everything i earn to a team that doesnt want any of it

[glacial schooner]

agreed

[tiny delta]

How's this: re-introduce gear cap, but guarantee 1 random roll of epics will be something like +all attributes or +Weapon damage. That way epics will always be better on average then blues, giving them some inherent value to nudge players into high roller.

[finite lark]

I literally died because game "ended abnormally"in the END of the fucking safezone. How tf do you manage to fix that? And why did this start happening?

[desert pine]

👍

[oak current]

I don't get the point in rogue today, fastest class, double jump, stealth, good damage, can open rare crates. Surely the most polyvalent class, so the strongest, am i the only one thinking this class has too much potential. Like it can react to every situation unlike every other classes ? I mean all classes have at least one weakness except rogue...

[ripe prairie]

please just add the auction house for playtest #2

[merry kestrel]

this feels incredibly dishonest - or, at least, misinformed

[small furnace]

lol, lmao even

[lucid folio]

if devs don't hit barb hard with the nerfs this hotfix, there won't be much reason to play this game

[analog sierra]

fighter should be able to wear cobalt hood and rubysilver leather cap

[naive elk]

Again, why warlock is allowed to heal from multiple targets?

[spring hound]

i mean its good but... wizard 2 zap

[lone crown]

no bruh, rogue is in the worst spot right now. I full geared rogue can get almost one tapped by anything geared right now. Just lost my BIS rogue set to a slayer fighter got 2 tapped in the head

[short heath]

I'll say it for you.

No, you're trash at the game for thinking any of that. In fact, all of that makes me think you don't even play the game, let alone the class.

[craggy ember]

Jesus Christ put a move all button in so that we don't have to tediously move each item from our inventory to our stash. This is yet another frustrating barrier to entry in what would otherwise be a pretty fun game. I simply do not have the time or wrist flexibility to move each stack of gold with or without shift right click. It only makes sense to have an empty inventory button... @lucid jolt I know but you still need to go item by item to do it. And I literally do have a disability so I only play with controller. It's literally too painful to play this game doing it this way.

[short heath]

Read

[feral hedge]

you shouldnt need to hit a rogue, geared or not more than twice in the head a s a fighter to kill them. ive been playing rogue alot this wipe its legit the easiest class rn.

[small furnace]

deleted message?

What'd I miss, I was at the gym

[feral hedge]

day 4 of asking Ironmace to add an FOV slider. PLEASE. ID LIKE TO HAVE PERIFERAL VISION.

[feral hedge]

rogue is very good its just not a 1 hit wonder anymore. but yeah dude is completely trippin rogue has plenty of counters, such as like 2-3 hits from any other class lol.

[short heath]

Bro said shift right click to the guy when the guy literally said shift right click in his original message so I told him to read.

[small furnace]

I do not think rogue is 'very good' even.

[halcyon ocean]

rogue shouldnt 1-2 tap anyone, but we shouldnt have to stab someone 5 times in the head to kill them either 😛

[short heath]

I'll be honest, there are two classes that should ever be able to onetap - Barb and Rogue. Barb against squishies to the dome and Rogue against squishies to the dome only coming out of Hide w/ Ambush proc. Your whole goal as a Rogue should be to nuke an enemy team squishy or put a massive interrupt/potential kill onto their Cleric if they have one.

Rogue is definitely NOT "very good" right now. It is by a long shot the worst class.

[halcyon ocean]

just give rogue more base strength

[small furnace]

I'm gonna be biased here and say if a ranger is landing all his headshots he should also be able to burst someone down.

[short heath]

Not a literal onetap, though.

I'm talking literal onetaps.

[small furnace]

I mean yeah but rogues never really literally onetapped either.

The only classes that LITERALLY onetap are barb and funny warlock BoC

[short heath]

No, they didn't... I'm saying they SHOULD be able to onetap squishies coming out of Hide with their Ambush proc.

[small furnace]

Fair I guess. "Backstab" thematics I suppose.

[short heath]

When I see Rogue, I think stealthy onetap to squishies. Your job is to be a nuke, whether you survive or not. Assassinate.

[small furnace]

I doubt that will ever fly. People cried about 'landmine rogue' forever even after they got nerfed 3 times. They STILL cry about it even though rogue is gutted.

[short heath]

You provide little to no utility to the team fighting within the game.

Probably not, but that's thematically what they are. That's why I've said multiple times that they need to give Rogues no access to armor pen but high raw damage that can scale with Ambush to onetap squishies. Current PDR curve supports Rogues becoming squishy onetap machines to non-plate-wearing classes without also being lethal to those plate wearers, assuming you increased base damage and took away access to armor pen.

[feral hedge]

its been the easiest class for me this whole wipe so im biased, but no its not a in a bad spot its just not completely busted anymore.

[midnight stag]

Getting one tapped out of no where is a really bad game mechanic.

[feral hedge]

bro, i get its a game and all but literally every weapon besides rapier the rogue has access to is designed for armour penetration irl.. respectfully, that suggestion is absolutely re tard ed

[fast hill]

More stash tabs, loot filter, auto sort, auto sell trinkets

[sinful bobcat]

add a gear score so people with grey or white loadouts arent going against guys with purple and legendary gear. even if i play it perfectly they just have to rush me because their gear mitigates whatever damage i do. My friends dont want to play this game because we keep running into teams that are unkillable with starter gear. If you dont change that this game will die

[proud sigil]

Buff wizard strength (12 or 13). They shouldn’t die to 1 crossbow shot

[long blade]

no

[sinful bobcat]

then get ready for a bunch of casual players to get fed up with this game and leave. People with purple full loadouts should be playing against other full purp loadouts

[worn lava]

it does seem this is the only game I've seen ever have to be this sorta way

[sinful bobcat]

its an RPGish tarkov shooter where gear literally makes you unkillable in some situations but more so to guys just starting out. in shooters even if ur new if you have gunskill youll still be ok. this game punishes new players with nothing by putting them against guys they have no chance of killing. i want to play this game with friends but theyre frustrated and dont want to bang their head against a wall over and over with no results

Destiny did something similar because they had RPG elements with gear drops. If i recall correctly they used gear score to seperate people with juiced gear and timmys

[dim jetty]

Bring back item caps

[rapid charm]

rogues one tapped barbs 2 wipes ago

[small furnace]

You're wrong and that's okay. Please read what we were talking about before you decide to chime in.

[jagged flicker]

If I shield bash, things can still shoot through it 💀

[jagged flicker]

I mean he's right; rogues can also swing 2x a second so 2tapped but still their burst made them 70% of the playerbase

[lethal mirage]

I feel like too many classes have access to bows - let it be rangers, and fighter with perk.

[rapid charm]

Lol I just hit the page and typed mb

[urban apex]

i am once again asking ironmace to make loot drops better, i can barely even turn a profit while exclusively running high roller

[urban apex]

then there's no counter for rangers they can just wreck you at distance with no danger to themselves

[long blade]

good stop ruining the game by convincing the devs to make this game a safe space

[wet ether]

I heard someone else say it, but I kinda like the idea that they need to charge up their shots for full damage. I'd also like to add that maybe they have a damage drop-off, so they can't just snipe you from across a massive room.

[granite plinth]

MAKE THE LOOT BETTER IN REGULAR QUIT NERFING THE LOOT ON THE MINI BOSSES U PLEBIANS FIX THE GAME OR ILL COMMIT UNALIVE

[lethal mirage]

I mean if everyone is down to remove rangers entirely I am okay with it - personally I think the real balance would be to do as previously stated, then make bow draw give much higer movement debuff, along with projectiles needing to travel a certain distance for full damage (this would prevent the longbow shotgun) -> You will then have a chance if you are able to close the distance.

[long blade]

no I like fair fights but I think little noob boys complain so much that the game is just going to get worse until even these little noobs dont want to play it

[lethal mirage]

Please replace cleric starter health potion with a weak beer. ❤️

[long blade]

My god you're angry, I've played the game for longer than that I was just hoping to find updates on the discord when I joined. You need to work on your anger, why you are directing it at me when you could be using it to get better at the game. Such a little weirdo to tell me to choke on something.

blocked, you're so mad. relax. Take your blood pressure medication before steam blows out your ears.

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[atomic yacht]

make hitting the gential regions for male characters do 10% more damage

[granite plinth]

what you guys think about events where u get perfect rolled legendary loot or the hands on some unique weapon for some hours before wipe or something? or like special loot times and stuff

[wet ether]

I think it'd be a fun idea if they doubled the quality of loot on last day of wipe. it'd give a bit of an incentive for players to play before their stuff is deleted

[elder bobcat]

My incentive is to have no stash remaining. Out of wipe like I came in

[lament sequoia]

Suggestion Lower DPS for slayer and up cooldown for sprint and lower per that removes ms to 10% ....

[dire granite]

hate this patch

[glad mauve]

has anyone suggested adding cobalt/rubysilver weapons? cause if not then uh... <-----

[drowsy grotto]

remove traps entirely, the fact that a ranger can completely shut down any class just because they brought in 50g worth of traps is completely unfair. Not only that, there isn't a limit or anything which leads to just blatant spamming of traps. If you think it's required for keeping barbs and fighters away then remove leg shot as well because apparently it changes nothing.

[wet ether]

I kinda wish there was more spells for wizards. there's plenty of spells from dnd that they could use. especially more unique spells like knock, or minor illusion. imagine having a team on the other side of a door and casting an illusionary door opening sound to juke them out before pushing.

[drowsy grotto]

More audio based spells would be cool

[wet ether]

ig I'm trying to say I want spells that aren't just damage dealing, though I know that's the main use of a wizard

grease and mage hand could be fun too

[wet ether]

yeah! I think having more variety in what is avalable would be really nice.

[gilded cape]

Vulgar speaking again. Thats pretty gross

[earnest swift]

is rogue hide mastery perk not working or am i doing something wrong. does it not stack with stealth? i feel no extra time

[pine comet]

Rogue has a really low will stat so buff duration is in the negatives so hide mastery is still really short lasting

[wet ether]

I feel like a lot of rogue's little perks need to be mixed together. especially hide mastery and creep

[pine comet]

Some of rogues perks are just something else, like the one where it hides your utility belt

[elder bobcat]

Minor illusion to make a door look closed would be awesome

[real trellis]

I am once again asking for people to check out this suggestion that I really think would bring Clerics back line in terms of teamfight utility. Right now Clerics can completely undo the damage from a fireball to the face almost instantly and I think that's stupid and leads to fights of attrition rather than skill. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491091/nerf-cleric-heals-to-be-overtime-not-instant

[elder bobcat]

I like it 👍

[wanton lichen]

@dawn grotto @granite plinth please never even read this chat the peoples iq in here is -50 will kill ur game if u listen to these people

[elder bobcat]

Does that include you since you are here?

[real trellis]

And it's smart for you to ping the devs (people have been warned not to do this infinity times) AND insult a bunch of people all at once which is against the rules?

[torn goblet]

you have got to be special needs "will kill ur game if you listen to feedback"🤓 🤓 🤓

[karmic birch]

fix AIs firing projectiles through walls finally?
it's soul crushing when you lose your best set to something that should have been fixed many playtests ago

[vernal hedge]

hopefully we are getting some love today, we sure need it

[formal helm]

People act like the "game gas 6 months left to live and if IM dont have a AAA quality experience by then the game will be dead forever"

[formal helm]

My brother in Mika, IM give you love everytime you kill and skeleton and find 6 candycorn

[drowsy bramble]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505728/infernal-items

[vernal hedge]

lol no, so solo rogue farming hell can now pretty easily farm uniques?
and i say this has the solo rogue farming HR

[drowsy bramble]

you must have hands with rogue so if you can do it alone inferno run you meritate the loot

[vernal hedge]

I disagreed, it's a learning curve and once you get used to it you don't really die that often, has rogue specially you have such a ease of navigating hell through double jump and all the safe spots in the world, the best items in the game should come from the hardest content in the game which is HR bossing

[cerulean ruin]

Quick QoL for the Devs for this hotfix, Surgical Kits stackable to 3. Thank you Please send this to devs guys merci
Let';s include Campfires to at least 2.

[velvet current]

Bring back gear cap, keep getting rolled by high kitted guys (pink+) latest was a duo with uniques and we're out here with white and green, dont play often and when we come back this is the experience. Makes the game feel unplayable to those who also have a life. Lmao

[spark elk]

Pink gear doesn’t exist in the game, but gear cap did seem a little better for most

[wanton horizon]

In my honest opinion, the best decision Ironmace has made in the last month has been to limit gear for normals. I'm okay with current state of rarity drop, as long as they combine it with gear cap. Better drops in HR makes completely sense to me. So let's say blue items in normal with purple drops in Inferno and better drop in HR with legendary/unique drops from Inferno bosses. I would like it if unique and legendary items couldn't be traded, but that's just my opinion.

Rogues were a problem before hotfix #18, when it was possible to collect all possible damage bonuses. Since those stats have been removed or rebalanced, I think it would be appropriate to bring back dagger damage. There are a lot of perks that are practically unusable, but I believe Ironmace is somehow watching and adjusting. E.g. not showing potions behind the belt, or lockpick I would put rogues as passive. It's practically a dead class at the moment and everyone play it as a meme.

[bleak dagger]

Can't believe people are still so stupid being on the gearscore train. They tried it, despite all critics and it didn't work out (surprisingly)- especially for those who were crying so desperately for it. What else do you need to know to understand that gearscore is not achieving what people "think" in their heads it would do?

[wanton horizon]

I would reduce the speed of arrows and bolts and not let heal rangers be instant. A fighter would not be allowed to use any crossbow without the weapon mastery perk. I think that might be enough to optimize it.

[bleak dagger]

yeah I can see why you are not in the game balance department.

[wanton horizon]

What are you talking about? The moment this feature was removed from the game, the biggest wave of criticism came down on Ironmation and the game lost at least half of its active players.

[vernal hedge]

The game lost half the population on a 3 week partial wipe focusing on balancing when the next full wipe with content as already been announced.
Not saying that no players were lost to that change, but making it sound like that’s the only reason is straight cope

And let’s not begin talking about how a lot of people aren’t a fan of the current balance, or the economy, trading etc, all things we know will be changing

[wanton horizon]

That post about gear cap being removed from game has the worst reactions from all post in here, so I'm not sure if you check the community reaction ever. I'm not talking about economy, I'm talking about fresh player experience that is unable to get any green gear set, because normals are being fullfiled with purple/legendary teams smashing everyone for 50gold. I still enjoy the game, no matter what. I'm just saying that I seen the rapid fall of active players from this decision and if I never played the game before, I wouldn't play it at this terms. In response to the rise and fall of the active player community and the general balance across all the different updates, I think this makes a huge difference. I'm not criticizing Ironmace for their decision, I'm just deriving the most optimal conditions that don't favor players who have more time to play the game than regular players. If you meet people like that in HR, I have no problem with it. After all, it's the "hardest" version of the game, but in a normal game, where do you rarely ever find the green/blue thing in the golden chest? You can't be serious mate.

[scarlet temple]

genius, hotfix when???

[indigo egret]

Baseing the community's reactions from discord reactions is beyond stupid. And the gearscore solved nothing while it was implemented to help the new players you are trying to defend as people were just getting bis blues and still killing them.

[wanton horizon]

BIS blues are still less OP than BIS purples / orange / unique. So if you have any skill, then you stand a chance against them. In addition, at that moment it was possible to stack combinations of weapon damage, true physical and additional physical damage at the same time. Now it's not and lowered rarity drop in normals make a complete sense to me.

It just doesn't make any sense for people with the best gear to go kill people in basic gear who can't get any items. If they decide to go HR, then OK, let them lose their green/blue gear to purple/orange teams, but a basic gear team can't defeat a fully loaded barbarian.

I've been in situations on both sides and it's not fun from either side. It's funny the first kill when you shut the team down for 3 shots, but playing the whole wipe like that? Makes no sense to me. And desparate players that trying to get any better items going in basics into HR instead of those geared teams.

[dreamy hornet]

🅿️ 🇷 🇴 🇯 🇪 🇨 🇹 🇨 🇷 🇦 🇼 🇱 🅱️ 🇪 🇹 🇹 🇪 🇷 make the game project crawl

[visual umbra]

Having a second stash to dedicate to gold & consumables is such a QoL buff, it cannot be overstated.
Having been pro-shared stash before, I'm even more so now.
Please IM, replace the ability to buy more stash with 1 character-specific stash & 1 shared among all your characters, for gold & consumables.
Contrary to what you might think, managing a full stash is NOT fun. It detracts from the looting experience and promotes dying on purpose.

The main issue is & always was the amount of space wasted by gold purses. If you're decent at the game, it'll quickly take up 1/4 - 1/3 of your stash.

[ripe prairie]

Add an auction house please. If Iron Mace doesn't have the capabilities or technical knowledge to complete an Auction House i can recommend some skilled developers

[graceful beacon]

auction house🤤

[vernal hedge]

they already said that they are working on a auction house system but that it won't fully replace the current trade system.
Instead it will be an optional service with heavier fees than normal trade(im assuming a fixed % of the value of the item like it would be in a normal auction, would be a pretty good gold sink)

the exact quote from SDF on the 10/28/2023:
"
Flea Market provided by Trading Guild - It coexists with existing trading posts and contributes to reducing trading fatigue, but will require more costs.
"

[inner quest]

What would EVERYONE think about this scenario…
Normals can only be queued with starter kit or items bought from vendors… it would make it MUCH MORE fun and realistic for new players and a good place to learn, would make inferno bosses harder and the item drops from them more valuable…
If your kit has anything of epic quality or better that was found in raid / crafted you’re bound to go to HR only..

[wanton horizon]

bs, some classes need to have minimal upgrade to be able to compete in teamfights, current state of basic rogue is unable to kill anyone + basic mage very weak + your idea means that you re really going just 1 game into normals then imediately HR, that's not the best idea. Btw boss items from normals would have no valuability, because you won't be able to use them in normal anyway and any other item in HR would replace it without trying to kill boss. I think that their blue cap could be perfect ballance with current item bonuses

[potent pumice]

We really need a "Report button" in the trade chat to be able to report gold seller website account and duped unique named weapon RMB seller from that specific eastern country

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think of subclasses in dark and darker? do you think it affects the balance issues and do you think it's possible to have a suitable balance with all classes?

[inner quest]

Read what I said again.. (items of epic quality or better) that way you can keep up to blues in normal

Also allows you to buy any blue items from vendors as well don’t forget that part

[slender marten]

Allow reacting to post in #the-tavern

[wanton horizon]

Yeah, but my response was to your text before you added your last sentence in the edit 😉

[patent mauve]

Sitting at a campfire should give a temporary buff to Resourcefulness based on campfire rarity, 2 minute buff, Grey +1, white +2, green +3, ect. It's a minor stat and that would help alleviate the time lost to camping if it meant faster looting.

[vague finch]

HR Duos (:

[short heath]

I wouldn't even be mad about this. 100% support this actually being added.

[patent mauve]

I'd love to cast a -50% Magic power lesser heal as rogue

[wintry egret]

im hoping thats what the class tree is for, love to see a paladin like class for clerics or some kind of halberd knight, would love to see what happens with that, hoping its not just stat padding

[atomic yacht]

school of fire wizard..

[ember moon]

At least I haven't played at all today. Roll backs are either lucky or unlucky depending in how your session has gone.

[unique flower]

Can we tune down the frequency in which bard instruments appear? They have so many loot options reserved just for them that are useless to every other class. I've opened so many skelly champs/chest to only seed bard gear it hurts me.

[merry kestrel]

open a chest

two bard hats, a chausses, a flute, and 3 silver coins

[midnight summit]

I feel like they should get rid of the spellcaster drop tag on items that the warlock can equip that have no magical capabilities for the same reason. Why does ever goblin mage have a zweihander? I need a spell book.

[nova sedge]

I’ve been a rogue main since PT2 and have worked with a bunch of high rank rogues.
Here is my suggestion to help make the community’s outlook on rogue better.
-NOTE- I also think double jump should be removed and extra damage given back to other abilities
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505823/removerework-hide

[vernal hedge]

I don't think removing stuff from a game if ever a good decision, they should be reworked if they are deemed too strong.
has we are getting skill trees eventually it could be something that can easily be locked behind investment that makes you lack in other departments, but playstyles shouldn't be removed instead give the option to spec in mobility or in damage etc
thoughts?

[worn lava]

disable trade for 1 wipe I wanna see what happens you are experimenting so lets see what the game is like without it for a wipe

[patent mauve]

People would just do trading in gathering hall/discord and meet up in game.

[slender marten]

Add a way for y'all (Devs) to notify players in game of important info such as Trade Disabled, Hotfix incoming ect. Not everyone who plays the game uses discord.

[worn lava]

you cant trade in gathering hall if you meet up in game you still have to get out if a lot of people start doing it then everyone would rush player spawn and kill those players they would loose perhaps more loot trying to trade that way

[patent mauve]

You can just invite them and decide when to go into the match with lobby chat.

[vernal hedge]

that would be infinitely harder to do and very risky tough, also very simple way to get scammed

[patent mauve]

Of course, that's why you wouldn't trade this way with players with red names.

[vernal hedge]

red and blue names have no meaning, you can farm them by playing with friends
red:queue naked with friend, he teamkills you you report him, rinse repeat
blue: very easy if you play multiple characters because the +rep is limited to once every 5 extracts per char but you can save them until you play with your friend and +rep them

its more of a cosmetic nowadays vbecause barelly anyone uses gathering halls

[patent mauve]

Yes, and this way to trade would pose no more risk than bringing a kit with randoms in your lobby. Which I do because gear fear is a waste of time

[vernal hedge]

yah but you worded it like a lot of people would still be doing trading, barelly asnyone would do any trades because of the risk connected to it, wouldnt be like old tarkov where youd trade i factory and just container the items of extract with factory key, sold plenty of item cases and weapons cases like that bacvk in the day

[patent mauve]

Point being the community will create a trading post/ auction house if there isn't one. Which is already the case

People will be vetted by the community discords ect. Rep, forum gold ect. It happens all the time

[vernal hedge]

the thing is not the rep, its the risk of going in a match that you cannot extract from essentially instantly, and no safe container for trading, if anything this change would encourage lobby snipping with bodyguards or straight up cheating for protection in high value trades(like it was seen in tarkov before flee was a thing)

[patent mauve]

The community always finds a way

[worn lava]

you still have to make it past everyone and if more people try to trade that way i know id hunt them down as well as many others to steal that loot

[patent mauve]

All I see is the change would benefit the top 1% moreso, as they would be the ones to organize and utilize whatever 3rd party platform for trading they could .

[patent mauve]

You hunting down Apollo and repoze?

[patent mauve]

Rallying a lobby that way is ban worthy

[vernal hedge]

yes they do, but you shouldnt encourage rulebreaking for shoving down peoples throat a change that completely changes the game for everyone

add a game mode without any trade for a wipe has an experience(when the game has more population) sure, but a change has drastic has this I don't think would be taken in good light

and even you agreed that only the top1% would work well with this change and hurt everyone else... so what's the point

[boreal marten]

Wipe the line Love isn't always on time. woah woah woooah.

[lone crescent]

I legit don't understand how removing trade could be beneficial to casual players

Gatekeeping gear even more will only make life harder for anyone, especially casuals

[patent mauve]

Yeah

[wet stream]

trade is legit the best way to make gold to fund your runs.

[lone crescent]

Gear is not the main objective, gear is just a tool to play, if i go in and get 0 upgrades it's fine if i had fun

[patent mauve]

If be okay with a grey kit lobby for casuals to loot in, make it have the loot quality of this current patch, and let us have the slightly buffed loot drops in regular lobbies.

[vernal hedge]

bruh just realized I kept replying to you this whole time thinking you are the one that said they should remoe it for a wipe

[patent mauve]

It happens, no worries

[vernal hedge]

of course it is, gear is the only sort of progression you have atm, that and gold

[wet stream]

do like GIG did and have the first 5 levels be ONLY people level 5 or lower.

[vernal hedge]

this would be better than lvl 15, lvl 15 was too long for a new player to then be introduced to a "different game"

[patent mauve]

We had a pre15 lobby but people were just smurfing on the noobs.

[split haven]

GIVE ROGUES THEIR DAGGER DAMAGE BACK, YOU NERFED +ALL, +TRUE, +ADDITIONAL, +WEAPON DMG ON ALL GEAR, SO IT CANT BE STACKED. I AGREE WITH THIS. NOW GIVE US BACK SOME OF OUR DAGGER DAMAGE. AS IT STANDS, RAPIER SWINGS JUST AS FAST, HAS MORE RANGE, BASICALLY SAME MOVEMENT SPEED, AND WAY MORE DMG.

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RISKING USING A DAGGER WITH THE SHORTEST RANGE ??? ZERO

[patent mauve]

Agreed, they buffed everyone's base weapon damage and then nerfed rogues to lower than before.

[wet stream]

Double dagger slayer fighter with combo attack and dual wield. 🙂

[split haven]

uh no 1 weapon + lantern is better for slayer fighter

[vernal hedge]

when someone that cant use daggers without a perk uses them better than the class meant to be an expert with them

[wet stream]

I know. I just wanted to be mean, I guess. Lol

[lone crescent]

Maybe they should buff dagger mastery?

[split haven]

reflect onto yourself

[wet stream]

I am a kaliedascope, good sir.

[vernal hedge]

dagger mastery wouldnt help because we are already too lockedup perk wise, its needs to be a straigh buff to dagger base dmg, specially now we cant add damage basically

[lone crescent]

Maybe the best option is stacking both physical and magical damage and rely on poison

[vernal hedge]

poison also needs a buff, we start with too low will, and then have basicallly no added damage to stack the poison up

[split haven]

But rogues start with -50% magic dmg, it’s useless

[vernal hedge]

so if you want to stack both, you have to be in actuall bis purples, and at that oint may aswll just invest full physic

[split haven]

ye you gotta pick 1, and i stacked magic power poison rogue yesterday to test, i still had -14% magic dmg, + their magic resist, magic rogue still doing less than 5 dmg per tick, useless af

[sinful flare]

Magic rogue is no way to go rn, just avoid full plate armor kids

[vernal hedge]

aand then you fight a cleric and the poison doesnt even last enough to tick once

[mellow sapphire]

Every game does this, even COD

[split haven]

rogue: start with almost lowest HP, negative physical bonus, negative magic dmg, supposed to use daggers but they are the weakest weapon AND range in the game, nerf the additional dmg you can have from gear, nerf invis so you have to use perks for it making you weaker in other aspects, nerf ambush so its phys bonus not weap dmg, nerf weakpoint,
fighter: can use crossbows and 1 shot wizards in the head then run at the rogue and 2 shot them anyway 👍

might as well give fighters fireball spells and the ability to fly

[lone crescent]

@split haven all of the Rogue's nerf were justified and with stacked damage rolls he was still insanely OP, i agree that he needs a little buff now

But for me just some points of damage to daggers is fine

[vernal hedge]

is the movement master class of the game, gets run down by half the classes in the game because he has no way to increase speed, or like barb that can speed up and slow you, or wizard that has a better invis, 2 speed spells, a slow and can break your invis from across the map with a spell
Also gets nerfed to get reduced movement speed in the same wipe its survivability, damage and utility were nerfed

rogue life ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split haven]

same, the stacking dmg on gear change is FINE with me, but now we need dmg back to daggers

[mellow sapphire]

This game is not even dark. They need to make maps pitch black with torches that are limited use only. If you run out, you gotta navigate through the dark to escape....

[plain ocean]

You give the big sad

[lone crescent]

Hotfix spoilers and Krapst78 confirming multiclassing
https://imgur.com/gallery/LKrWQrV

[mellow sapphire]

What does this even mean

[pliant dagger]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505344/cleric-heals-need-a-downtime tired of losing fight because the op cleric just spam heals on is teamates and you lose the fight even after shooting 7 arrow on them plz go vote

[plain ocean]

You wouldn't understand

[desert pine]

Has there been talk about a training grounds? i want to practice long sword blocking, but to do that my friend and i have to go into games, and practice beating the crud out of each other, and basically just losing gear in order to practice a mechanic that got us into the game in the first place.

[mellow sapphire]

are you depressed? Do you need help?

[plain ocean]

Yeah a small donation of the lucky numbers on your credit card would help

[mellow sapphire]

I am legally obligated to tell you I am a agent of the state

[plain ocean]

I'm legally obligated to tell you not everyone lives in the same country

[mellow sapphire]

You assume there are no states in your country

[plain ocean]

I do as a matter of fact

[mellow sapphire]

Unless you are playing samantics only a few countries do not have states/provinces

[wet stream]

yeah something like Monster Hunter would be nice

[plain ocean]

Lot's of them don't have states, exe: Vatican City, New Zeland, Tiwan, several other European countries ect;

[mellow sapphire]

vatican city is a state lol, its in Italy, just a independant one

[plain ocean]

It's an independent country please read when you google things🙏

[mellow sapphire]

Thats what independant state is......

The wording is interchangeable.... lol...

[plain ocean]

It's an interchangable difference lmao

[lone crescent]

Vatican is a state, San Marino too, they have their own citizenships

[mellow sapphire]

yeah... hes just playing samantics

[plain ocean]

Type "Vatican city" in your phone it says "European Country" your argument was that most countries have states you moved off your point to seem correct, you aren't🙏

[small furnace]

I have no idea why this is a discussion in this channel but Vatican City is definitely considered a country. Anyway, why is this happening here?

[lone crescent]

Aren't country and state synonyms?

[mellow sapphire]

Yeah, he just word gaming now

[plain ocean]

In short yes but that wasn't the argument.

[small furnace]

What the hell are you guys talking about though, for real

[mellow sapphire]

I mean im not wrong lol, lots of countries have states

[patent mauve]

I suggest we talk about the game

[small furnace]

for real

[plain ocean]

"You assume there are no states in your country" not deciding if a place is a country or not, you changed your argument to match a false point to seem smart🙏

[mellow sapphire]

Yeah i feel like im in reddit rn lmao

[lone crescent]

I suggest we discuss about suggestions

[lone crescent]

Vatican is not part of Italy so technically it's not in Italy

[plain ocean]

Also not a part of the discussion but yes

[small furnace]

This discussion shouldn't even be here #off-topic-archive

[plain ocean]

This text is also not in #off-topic-archive so you shouldn't either

[small furnace]

<@&988703997378584596> pls

[mellow sapphire]

hes on demon time!

[oblique depot]

snitch

[desert pine]

yea even that would be fine, but even better to have one where your friends can join you.

[wet stream]

I wholeheartedly agree. I need to be able to practice ripost against a host of enemies to perfect it Lol Or even just basic shield blocking. I think they would want to disable dropping items in there too

[limber basalt]

I don't know about anyone else, but playing bard I always swap around my instruments. I think it would be cool if we could set a sort of loadout our character will automatically have whenever we die and have a base kit character. Just like being able to move around our basic equipment slots at least and have them always come that way when we die.

[soft mountain]

they should buff the range of the felling axe but make movement speed lower, plus they should make a vertical attack for felling axes. Whats your opinion on this?

[limber basalt]

This would be an amazing side map or mode, though it would be plagued by rogues

[mellow sapphire]

I just want to be jumpscared by a skeleton lol in pitch black

[limber basalt]

That's so fair though

Also I was thinking for bard since they have different levels of music, like if it's played crappy or great, when it has the buff it could maybe be a different color to signify to the player that that buff is great or crappy

[granite plinth]

When the Fart feature being added?

Press and hold F to hold in fart for the true stealth experience

[elfin vale]

i would like to suggest a rogue buff, thank you

[lone crescent]

Nah they need to lower the ms penalty while swinging

[pliant dagger]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505344/cleric-heals-need-a-downtime#comment567930 make the cleric next heal 50% less effective or put a downtime, cleric healing absurd and just doing too much compare to other classes in team. they need to be checked out.

[hardy onyx]

Clear timed patch notes 💀

[dry glacier]

I have always said that the dark swarm should extinguish the environment lights it touches to make the game "Darker"

[long dune]

I've been suggesting that since late playtest and get so much shit for it 😂

[slender marten]

Add in-game notice system since some people don't use Discord.

[dry glacier]

Idk why it'd give another layer of fear for the zone, and make using a lantern/torch more valuable

[eternal fable]

I would like Ironmace to hire someone who has a lot of experience balancing games, as i think they take a way too heavyhanded approach to balancing.

For example, this patch they nerfed loot power, loot availability, trinket availability, and trinket value. This basically destroys mid to low level players on multiple avenues. We have less gold for them in the match, less gold per trinket they actually find, the gear they finally find in norms has more of a likelihood of being bad stats such as 0.1% action speed, and the like, etc. All of these changes are fine on paper, but together they compound and become ridiculous. Go play norms. You can hit a full games worth of chests and AI and come out with maybe 50-100g, and some grey pants. Quite a lot of effort for very little return.

Another example, is nerfing the item power while simultaneously nerfing Blow of Corruption. Again, both changes are FINE on paper, but together they compound and nerf the skill more than im sure they intended.

Ultimately, i dont dislike any changes that ironmace makes. I dislike how they compound multiple nerfs simultaneously and dont let things play out before they do so. We get 4 different nerfs to the gear/economy at once instead of 1-2 and watching what happens. Please consider either hiring someone who has longterm experience balancing game economy/items, or consider taking a MUCH less heavyhanded approach to nerfing things.

[long dune]

No. stop.

[weak zenith]

Why? Lol its mostly just cool gamefeel, if people dont have a torch for running through the storm thats kinda their problem right?

[small furnace]

Suggestion: Patch notes prior to the hotfix. Thank you.

Thanks for listening to my suggestion :3

Gigantic W patch.

Needed buffs for rogues and ranger weapons after the weapon damage buff. Loot adjustments in the uptick direction, and LIZARD MAN!!!

Sorry for you bard players out there. If you need a certain hotline number I can send it to you.

[bleak dagger]

cleric dead gg

[eager sleet]

I think cleric is fine those nerfs don't seem that bad

[small furnace]

Patch full of W's, nerfs to buffball, buffs to classes that needed it, new features added, LIZARD MAN, loot adjustments, weapon damage adjustments. This is a HOLY W patch

I'm gonna start playing again TODAY

[eager sleet]

Plus they get a spell book which is superior to the stinky staff in every way

[eager sleet]

Yea looks good, idk about the lock changes I'll have to see just wish they had an actual weapon like the cleric gets

[small furnace]

I am so hyped omg, so excited. Thank god they are making these changes, this is the biggest W in over a month.

[patent mauve]

I think wizard needs a perk that gives haste, move speed for them only still..

[small furnace]

This patch addresses literally every problem I had with the game.

Buffball nerfs, buffs to the two classes hit the hardest by the weapon affix changes, adjustments to the loot pool, balance adjustments on underused skills. I love it so much.

[eager sleet]

Wanna do sometime?

[vernal hedge]

needed? only needed thing there needed for rogues was giving rarity scalling back to weapons, other than that it was a massive nerf or meaningless buffs

[small furnace]

It was needed, rogues and rangers were disprortionately hit harder than any other class from the affix changes. They were down bad, and IM clearly agreed with the buffs they gave them.

[vernal hedge]

rogue is still gonna be down bad because they nerfed their mobility while not giving him back base agility to compesante a little, damage increased for everyone so pretty much the same but we lost double jump and weakpoint is literally 0 against clerics

[small furnace]

Rome wasn't built in a day amigo. Be happy rogue is getting buffs. The devs have finally got their thinking caps on and are moving in the right direction. We'll see how stuff turns out.

[vernal hedge]

be happy with tiny buffs and larger nerfs

[small furnace]

The 20 movement speed sucks, but do you not realize the impact the damage will have on rogue? It's a bigger buff my man, I say this as someone who used to play rogue but stopped after big nerfs.

[vernal hedge]

you stopped playing after the big nerfs, I always kept playing it, I know that this isnt enough, even in the current patch im playing it

[small furnace]

My man they are big buffs. Just try out the class and we'll see how it goes before you get all doomer.

I understand the pessimism. Believe me I have stopped playing this patch after experiencing it. Just try it out and see how it goes though, let's not be doomer before we even try it.

[vernal hedge]

being called a doomer by someone that has stopped playing is kinda funny
its not about being a doomer, its realism, we got some damage back, great, everyone did.
The problem is that rogue the supposed mobility class and lowest starting str melee class has now had its moblity nerfed through DJ and mobility reduced again through the adjustment to the armor we are mostly forced to use to reach 15 str+armor rating which was reduced while dmg increased making us even more squishy

[small furnace]

I stopped playing when I tried the game and didn't like how it felt.

You just watched as your class got a lot of buffs, a nerf to one perk and haven't even played the patch and are being pessimistic.

Context is important in this case. Anyway you're killing my buzz, this is the best patch we've gotten in a long ass time.

[vernal hedge]

"a lot of buffs" spoken like a true man thats only played rogue at the strongest

[small furnace]

Scaling rarity damage, and overall damage for your weapon class are big buffs my man. Every other thing you got was a buff other than that one perk getting outright nerfed.

Weapon damage matters on rogue and ranger more than any other class. So the buffs to weapon damage are buffs to those classes.

Slayer fighter gets a little buff from this too I guess.

[void otter]

Maybe let lizards equip helms but they just don't display? minus 1 gear slot will be hard to balance. Plus some classes (warlock / wizards just got more incentivized to run certain headwear)

[small furnace]

They will probably tweak it a bit, cause yeah -1 equip slot is gonna be god awful... (I don't care I'm using it anyway)

[short heath]

If purple daggers are reaching 25 base damage, the class is likely saved. DJ needs to be removed rather than nerfed. Thinking that the class getting base weapon damage increases on their weapons that benefit from Thrust and also getting rarity damage disparity increases won't be enough tells me you don't know how the class works.

[small furnace]

I cannot express enough how renewed my interest is in the game after this patch. Fixed nearly everything I was complaining about. I mean I guess we'll see how far the loot changes went, but from what they described it sounds good.

The difference between blues and purples is nowhere near the difference between greens/whites and blues. So I really don't mind purples being an extreme rarity in comparison to HR. normal dungeons will properly let people prepare for HR now.

[sinful flare]

@dawn grotto You need to make each change by itself and watch the community reactions.
If you keep giving us too many updates on one patch people will complain all the time, just give us 1 patch note every day and see the reaction of the community

If you want to build your game I think it’s much better to slowly update each thing and with the reaction you get just make a decision.

[small furnace]

This is a gigantic W patch. I am so happy like it's ridiculous how happy this patch made me. I am hyper excited to play the game.

[short heath]

I'll be honest, I'm a little confused with some of the changes and how they think that they're tackling buffball by removing clarity potions. That will slow down the pace at which teams can traverse the dungeon, sure... but won't have an effect at all on buffballing itself. The biggest effect these changes will have are on bad players who run buffball comps, because they likely don't capitalize every single time they buff up like good buffball players do.

Aside from that, I do agree that I'm pretty pleased with everything else.

[small furnace]

Buffball will not die from this patch, that much I accept... but after like many patches where buffball is untouched I'm happy to see them moving in the right direction.

it's obvious to me the removal of clarities and buffing rest is an attempt to make it so buffball can't just freely traverse through the entire dungeon without taking any breaks.

[short heath]

Well yeah but so does every other comp. So they slowed them to the traversing pace every other comp has... but buffballs are still 4x as deadly as any other comp. So realistically nothing has changed.

[sinful flare]

As a wizard main I see no fking reason to nerf the class like that.
Not only they nerfed wizard, they also buffed barbarian which is the biggest counter to wizards, ruined invisiblity and haste, so what’s left is to play another class.
Wizard was already a weak class for solos so now it’s literally unplayable unless you’re in trios casting chains like crazy

And now because there are no clarity potions meditation is a must

[short heath]

The game isn't balanced around solos, bud. Sorry.

[small furnace]

Forget that, he just said "Wizard is already weak in solos" like what? You just gonna let that one slide Onyx, cmon, you know better and so do I.

I mean tbf, they MIGHT be weak in solos now with those haste and invis nerfs.... but BEFORE? Nah they weren't, hella not.

[sinful flare]

Bro one headshot with crossbow I’m dead wdym not weak lol get good the only class a wizard kills pretty easily is a full plate armor fighter with no crossbow which are maybe 1% of the players

[small furnace]

Naked wizards running around with no top and haste invis casting several spells while kiting everything in the game were ridiculously strong in solos. Probably not anymore without haste giving move speed and invis revealing your position now.

[late dome]

Add another ignite option for wizard but make it do electric damage (stacks with ignite)

[small furnace]

"Let's buff buffball"

[late dome]

Yuuuuup

[sinful flare]

If you get kited by a 280 move speed wizard the problem is within you bro.
Every class except full plate armor fighter which no one plays right now because slayer is meta (which is btw unplayable against if you’re a wizard)
And if you actually getting kited by a non geared wizard you need to learn to dodge and close distances bro that’s insane, a wizard with a staff WITH haste active before this update was 306 move speed exactly

[small furnace]

Oh no so you had to buy a 25 gold spellbook to make your completely otherwise naked class be able to kill everyone else who is geared. I'm so sorry for you.

[sinful flare]

Barbarian/slayer fighter gets 350 movement speed every time the press Q, deal more dmg than a rogue and has triple the sustain of a rogue.
Fighter can also use second wind and barb just fist you with Achilles strike and you’re dead

[sinful flare]

A spell book is not the only thing you need bro, you need some damage otherwise you can’t kill a barb with 4 fireballs to the body

[small furnace]

I'm not really gonna entertain thing. Game is not balanced around solos in the first place so this conversation is pointless.

[sinful flare]

I agree with that but every class should be balanced for solos as well.
You can make wizards self cast and you literally ended wizard buff balling meta.
Also if they didn’t nerf classes like cleric which is way more broken than wizard, the game would be extremely unplayable.
Right now everyone is gonna play barb and fighter and maybe warlock we will see how it goes with his changes

I barley see any changes for buff balling tbh, bard cleric barbarian is meta now obviously

[small furnace]

@short heath The fixed down locations can be used by multiple players and do not close.
Remember when you suggested consolidating inferno lobbies so more people would go inferno.

Do you think they have any intention of moving in this direction considering how easy they just made it to get to inferno?

[hazy tulip]

Lemme get this straight. A grey weapon will have the same damage as a unique?

[small furnace]

Where on earth did you read that

[hazy tulip]

"Weapon damage scaling as weapons improve in rarity has been improved. Crossbows, throwable weapons, and magical weapons are exempt from this change."

[small furnace]

I don't understand, what do you think you just read?

[honest knot]

thor are you ok?

[hazy tulip]

Im starting to guess im not ok. Am i tripping?

[small furnace]

The change is the opposite of what you suggested it is basically. As weapons get more rarity they will deal more damage.

[honest knot]

there will be more of a gap in damage between weapon colors now

[hazy tulip]

Bro i must have had a stroke

[short heath]

This was another change that I felt kind of odd about. Static down portals means easy camp sites... and additionally, they didn't exactly think this through at all - because unless they're already going to be consolidating lobbies, there is going to be the potential for more players going down to inferno from these static portals than are allowed in each inferno lobby. Is that a likely scenario? No. Possible? Yes. But to answer your question - yeah, absolutely. I think they're well on track to make it happen.

[hazy tulip]

how did i missread "improve" like ten times as "removed". Im so fucking cooked.

[small furnace]

It was a good prediction by you tbh, I do think they're going in that direction as well.

[short heath]

32 years of experience, sitting at like a 98% prediction accuracy currently lol

[small furnace]

'32 years of experience' is on track to become a meme at this point

[late dome]

Clerics should be able to res enemy players

[short heath]

Just goes to show that experience is worthwhile, I guess.

[small furnace]

I'd be here for that just for the funsies but then the funny chinese HR farmers exist so probably not

[late dome]

[modern ibex]

So Rogue individually only really got 1 buff and it's the Crossbow Mastery bonus damage. If you take into consideration the fact that we have a TON of core class traits locked away behind perks then buffing another one of those really doesn't help. Like cool, Crossbows are back, but now I need to choose whether I should drop Lockpicking, Making Stealth Viable, Making my stats not abysmal, or any amount of damage scaling.

But that's beside the point, the real benefit we get from this patch is weapon damage and scaling increase across the board... across the board.. meaning everyone gets it.. Yes, Rogues are going to potentially come back into the Meta with this but do you know how they are going to come back to relevancy? By sitting in doorways and Ambush, WPA, Thrust, Dagger Mastery 1-shotting anyone who walks through. Which is EXACTLY what we got turbo nerfed for a few months back. I really don't see that as a win regardless of how viable it is. Not to mention Fighters, Barbs, Clerics, Warlocks, and Bards are all also benefitting from this so our ability to duel is even worse now.. It is literally 1-shot or be 1-shotted

And in exchange for this overall mid buff? We lose our mobility... as the mobility class.. Double Jump is literally unusable now. 20MS is an INSANE amount to lose permanenetly just for taking a core mobiliity perk. So now we can either not get air strafe mobility or we become slower than half of the classes in the game.... Oh also Padded tunic got nerfed MS! Which was what most Rogues used. Which means we get even slower.

1 of 2 things can happen here. Either the numbers aren't high enough and Rogue stays a meme class for rats, or the damage numbers are substantial and we are right back to the 1-shot Rogue sitting in doorways meta that everyone raged about..

I just wanted more HP and a buckler man 😔

[inner smelt]

Or collect the souls of enemy players and make it a quest for rewards? Adds an additional aspect of resurrection denial also (assuming you have the time to loot mid fight or the opposition abandons their team member's corpse)

[short heath]

Base dagger damage got increased and so did the amount of damage per tier of weapon improvement (aka more damage between blue and purple, purple and orange, etc). If you don't recognize that as a MASSIVE buff, you simply do not know how Rogue works. That's all I'm going to say.

DJ shouldn't even be in the game honestly.

[small furnace]

There's so many people that are crying that 'rogue got nerfed wawa' just look at #dnd-memes-only

It's insane to me how these people don't realize how much the damage buffs affect rogue.

[modern ibex]

LOL perhaps you should read what I said again. Here, I can Copy and Paste.

Yes, Rogues are going to potentially come back into the Meta with this but do you know how they are going to come back to relevancy? By sitting in doorways and Ambush, WPA, Thrust, Dagger Mastery 1-shotting anyone who walks through.

If the numbers are good it's going to be insanely tilting and the entire community is going to rage until the class gets murdered again. This literally happened a few months ago

I don't understand how you two see this as a positive? Saying that this is going to be healthy for the game is an insane fucking take. Literally everyone was crying about this exact thing like 4 patches ago

[short heath]

They won't come back to being meta by any means. They did exactly what I said they should do - which is increase their base damage numbers without touching their armor pen, if not outright removing access to armor pen from Rogue.

[small furnace]

People crying is not a metric for anything. People were still crying about ranger THIS patch after they got neutered lol

[short heath]

With the current PDR curve and lack of random modifiers to amplify base weapon damage to the point where you can 2- or 3-shot Barbs/Fighters, Rogues realistically will only be able to easily deal with squishy targets that they get a jump on, which is thematically correct and vastly different from what you're comparing this hotfix to in terms of capability.

The patch you're talking about, Rogues had higher base weapon damage on daggers AND the capability to get +33 wep dmg.

That is astronomically high in comparison to what this hotfix will give them.

@abstract swallow I saw you typing don't go back to the shadows

[modern ibex]

"f you don't recognize that as a MASSIVE buff, you simply do not know how Rogue works."

"They won't come back to being meta by any means."

No flame, but I genuinely have no idea what the point you are trying to make is. Are you saying Rogues are going to be good or no? Because from what I am seeing in these patch notes I'm thinking the back half of your comment there is right on the money. Rogue is only going to be able to easily deal with squishy targets. I don't think rogue can physically win a fight against a barb, Cleric, or fighter this patch and Ranger is a toss-up. But Wizards and Warlocks are going to get fucking minced.

And I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that if I'm a wizard and I get insta-killed by a rogue with no counterplay whatsoever I'm gonna be pissed. I don't care how thematic it is. Rogues are just gonna be 1-shot squishy deleters and that's just unfun to play against

And I'm a Rogue player. Realistically I'm eating good with this. I just think it's unhealthy for the game and makes this class WAY too pigeon holed

[abstract swallow]

I agree that buffing daggers is fine, if not needed
People are too willfully ignorant of how much damage stacking influenced class balance up to now

[short heath]

Rogues got buffed from being in the gutter. They won't become meta because that's going to still be buffball/antiball, which is effectively Cleric/Fighter/Bard, maybe Barb instead of Fighter, and Ranger/Cleric/Warlock respectively. Those won't change until they actually address buffball as a mechanic. Rogues will be good, but not anywhere near as good as you seem to think, with the comparison to when everyone hated landmine Rogues. That kind of lethality just won't be there without being able to stack weapon damage, TPD, or APD anywhere near as high.

And again, the game is balanced around trio play. Not solo play. If you're soloing as a Wizard and get got by another solo Rogue in GC or anywhere else, that's the risk you run playing as a solo. You'll get hard class countered sometimes. Get used to it.

[small furnace]

Yep, I believe rangers will get their place back in the meta as an anti-buffball comp yet again, like they previously were. Since before you could have one in your comp as a sort of 'wizard killer' that kills the backline while the frontline tries to rush all buffed up.

[light hound]

I was surprised how far they went with Wizard nerfs - even though I'm a Wizard/Bard main, I've always stated that perfect invis with high dps is toxic in any game and should be removed. The change to invis is a good direction (indications are skill-checks, but shouldn't be overboard to the point of making it useless), I believe they should do something similar with Rogue.

What surprises me is the combination of a haste nerf + a drastic invis change - the invis change is probably plenty to make running in with invis very difficult to execute without getting earthquaked or knocked out etc.

To get better comp diversity, they need to make another stand-alone support. Bard can no longer support a team by himself in an effective way, so the only support is Cleric - so every comp revolves around it.

[latent socket]

It wasn't perfect invis though, you could hear Wiz's loud ass footsteps and easily track where he is going

[light hound]

This is used as justification for it, but the ability to track footsteps is almost impossible during a fight. Tons of spells going off

Maybe you meant solo

[latent socket]

Depends on some variables but it wasn't too difficult to do with practice

1v1's for sure were way easier to track wizzes, I admit

[light hound]

I've recorded a lot of combat with invis plays and played them back with amplified sound and the sound lightfoot boots make is negligible when you have a plate mail cleric walking and casting spells beside you

Im my mind, it's an unreasonable ask for players to hear and locate it ( in team play)- and I'm a wiz main saying it

[sinful flare]

Wizard is gonna be so dead in solos

[latent socket]

Nerfing invis is understandable but also nerfing haste into the ground like that with it was too much honestly

[light hound]

The haste nerf was surpising to pair with the invis without giving back power somewhere else

[latent socket]

base kit got slightly more magic damage... but also reduced magic resist lul

[sinful flare]

Devs are out of their mind when a fighter holding a lantern and a sword can get to 350 move speed for 6 seconds and heal half of their hp mid fight and use crossbow for insane dmg and barbarians can get also 350 move speed with fists and scream.
But a wizard running in a 310 move speed for 5 sec is too op for some people I guess

[weary saddle]

I want to play the lizard but I feel like most of the helmets in the game have way too much value compared to +15 armor. I can only think of it being good for slayer fighter with low gear. Could be interesting to have a helmet just a "stat stick" that does not show in game (so u dont have to remodel every helmet to fit on the lizard head), and the armor and movespeed bonues don't apply but other stuff does.

[small furnace]

Lizard is definitely gonna be the worst race to play for anything other than base kit classes, but that's okay I love him anyway.

They will probably tweak it later.

[atomic yacht]

i hope they can wear flexible hats but not armored hats

but then it jsut becomes an upgrade for wiz/lock/ranger/rogue

[small furnace]

They specifically said no hats at all, since they get +15 armor rating. So it will be no hats at all. It's gonna be a weak race with 1 less equip slot.

[weary saddle]

now I need a bard lizard with the feathered hat or straw hat

[atomic yacht]

ye ik but no hats is gonna be weak unless the hitbox is wack

im excited to be a scalie tho cant wait to get my green apple flavored lizardman

[small furnace]

It's gonna be weak, and also when they said 'hitbox' I assume they probably meant the lizard will have a bigger hitbox so it'll be an altogether weaker race overall. Not worried, I think they will tweak it overtime, this is an experiment of making race balance different after all.

[sinful flare]

Fighters and barbs and rangers will hard dominate this patch. Gl to all

[atomic yacht]

yea im just glad lizardman isn't stat changes

[small furnace]

Could've been a flatout negative stat change I still would've played it. Scaly pride.

[atomic yacht]

real.

[obtuse kindle]

If you’re going to buff ranger’s crippling shot then take some of the insane bow slow when hit anywhere. A longbow shot to the chest slows someone MORE THAN A WIZARD SPELL CALLED SLOW

[sinful flare]

Bro wizard is dead there is no point to explain them, they don’t play this class they play barbarian ranger and fighter

That’s why these classes are always on top

[wild geyser]

lmao why did they nerf the cleric spells? did anyone think clerics were actually op? seems like they target certain group compisitions and then nerf the classes collectively in that comp

[obtuse kindle]

Ranger did not need buffs. Take longbow damage away last patch just to give it back oh and now add way more slow on leg hits

[obtuse kindle]

Are you joking? Cleric buff ball is one of the 2 main metas for HR. Go watch Apollo’s channel on yt

[mossy fox]

since reptiles heads are further in front and cant wear helmets, probably are going to need more than 15 armor xd or cleric/fighter/barb are not going to be pretty good the class, not to mention you are loosing the perks from the helmet, maybe let them wear them but only affect the perks? idk, still, love the fact that you guys are playing with hitboxes and passive compensations, this is so cool!

[jagged flicker]

Craftable Lizard man hat pls

smol one

[jagged flicker]

Full bubbled teams were EVERYWHERE door rushing like crazy. Meta SLAVES

[flat lance]

One and only suggestion : nerf the fucking falchion. Single most problematic item in the game and hasnt been adressed still. Colossal damage, phantom reach horizontal sweep combo. Nerf that shit asap

[naive walrus]

Destroyed warlock as a class. Buffed fighter, barb and ranger (what a fucking joke lol barb and fighter are most played classes rn). Buff ball Meta won't change. The cleric nerfs are minor. More shit changes to the game balance. Kudos. Game won't be around much longer at this rate.

[echo siren]

I just wanted to leave an idea for the developers here, congratulations on the work done on the lizard man race, it was incredible, I'm very excited to use it, but since it's an extremely well-crafted race, it made me sad because the others now seem like just one "Chrome" of the human race, in this case, that of orcs and elves, it would be interesting to pay attention to a little more detail on these 2 races mentioned and review the Status system, because considering that having a race that changes statuses so much As for the lizard race, it makes the changed statuses of the other classes insignificant, where there is only an almost zero increase in a single status, anyway, just a consideration I wanted to make, I hope it makes sense and maybe you will think about it fondly, thank you.
And the daggers? They remain unusable, they need many hits to kill a simple mob when others are 3/4 at the item's basic stage
Rogues need some kind of health regeneration to return to the game as a good class, currently they are very forgotten and weak to use when compared to the others, maybe something like life steal, an ability or something like that
And please, take another look at the off-hand weapons system, it is currently a very weak system that could be much better.
@dawn grotto @granite plinth

[dapper gull]

YO RIP ROGUES

[split trench]

Genuinely not sure why they haven't brought back the gear restriction for non-high rollers. Not a game has gone by without someone bringing a fucking legendary into the goblin caves.

[small furnace]

Guys, the counter to ranger is playing lizard. Your tiny fuckin lizard brain is so small you will never be hit in the head

[oblique pewter]

same for warlock bro 20% or 10% of life for 1 spell xD

[dapper gull]

IDK why they gut rogues every patch for.

[cinder perch]

Back when rogues could get up on top of ruins, I remember wishing that every class could get on top of ruins and we could have sick battles on crumbling scaffolding where we'd have to avoid falling off. Rather than nerfing double jump every patch, please give other classes an equivalent to double jump so they can contend with rogues in those hard-to-reach places! Give wizard a limited flight spell! Let rangers and fighters climb walls! Give barbarians a hulk superjump! Give warlock like an eldritch tentacle to lift them up to higher places! All classes should be able to get where rogues can get, just maybe slightly slower but still competently chase them! It would open up so many avenues for new places to fight and all without having to make any new maps!

[graceful beacon]

ok

[abstract vortex]

you fucked rogue up. the class is ruined, revert that stupid fucking double jump change

[tepid pawn]

please bring back instruments for everyone

[spice jasper]

Best perks and skills for barb and what about a lizard barb? yay or nay

[cinder perch]

Reverting the double jump change in a vacuum isn't enough: until every class gets a movement ability that grants them the same level of access to parts of the maps, double jump will continue to be a problem. Every class has to be given something to compete with Rogue. I don't like the DJ nerfing as much as anybody else and am genuinely going to stop playing rogue (and maybe the game) because of it, but they need to give other classes something that can contend with double jump. I don't see double jump being fun until they do so, either for the rogues if they continue to nerf it like they have or the other classes if they restore it to what it used to be.

[ornate vault]

can't fucking hear anyone approaching, foot steps are fucked

[feral hedge]

15 bolts = 20g, but 5 bolts = 5g... gotta be a mistake right?

[abstract vortex]

youre just wrong. rogue can already not contend with any other class, mobility and stealth is the one thing they had left going for them and all the TTV crybaby losers who get killed by a rogue then cry for 2 hours on stream, to make them lose the one thing they had left?

its absurd and stupid thinking, rogues die in 2 hits or less to legit anything and you think nerfing their ability to have mobility is the answer? the class is balanced, weak if anything.

[soft apex]

I suggest you revert the weapon base damage increase with rarity change. I'd even prefer you set the scale lower than you had it for hotfix 18, if you must increase damage for PvE, could it apply to PvE only?

[ember maple]

I love the lizard but it needs a small buff 15 armor for no helmet is extremely bad and your just nerfing yourself.

[neat cloud]

There needs to be a fucking gear separation in game again man this is bullshit. I shouldn't be struggling like crazy to do even 1 raid when 2 fucking purple teams come at me EVERY god damn time.

[soft apex]

rarer weapons just got much more damaging this patch, so player lethality at high gear levels is significant. It scales a lot with physical power or action speed, so while the movement speed of geared players is relatively sane in this patch, watch out for their swings the field is not as level as it was. And then of course if they're a ranger, uh... just die I guess.

[wet ether]

I was against the idea of gear based matchmaking, but over time I've become more and more open to it

[worn lava]

Wizard's Haste no longer grants movement speed bonus, but instead increases spell casting speed bonus by 12%. ok i think this is a mistake why don't you just make that into a whole new spell and keep wizards haste we need that to survive a lot of situations

[wet ether]

nerfing haste and ivis ruins wizard's survivability. those are like their only escape options

[neat cloud]

I get it but dear god why are starter geared guys queueing in with people with purples or legendaries every fckin match? it's absolutey ridiculous

[soft apex]

because there's nowhere for them to play the murder game with eachother (and honestly if they had to their numbers would rapidly shrink), everyone just has the one gamemode to play the game in.

[neat cloud]

I understandit's a "hardcore" dungeon game but literally 1 day after a item wipe everyone has purples and the little guys like me can't survive anymore.

[wet ether]

yeah if you hardcore sweat it's not that hard to get a set of good gear within like a day. the sweats used to occupy high-roller, but now that they realized it's more fun to bully normals in crypts there's no going back. it's pandora's box. not that it's open the only way to undo it is to force them back to where they need to be

[soft apex]

Ah I mean, after this wipe the gear progression wasn't perfect but it was nuanced instead of brute power. Lower geared players were a real threat and you couldn't just swat them like flies.

[neat cloud]

I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated. did about 30+ runs today and I got out of LITERALLY 2 because I keep getting greifed by over geared players - ok not OVEr geared but wayyyyy more geared than you need to be on normal dungeons

[soft apex]

is this an experience issue as well as a gear issue? The gear wasn't a crazy advantage yesterday

[neat cloud]

Well I can't afford to get anything out of my grey starting items. so I think so?

[wet ether]

I think people are just generally being more aggressive recently

[neat cloud]

I'm not the best pvp'er out there but I can handle myself in any PVE situation, hell included..

[soft apex]

the game probably could use some sandbox for inexperienced players, but that may not be the issue for you, if you can clear hell then you know the game quite well.

[neat cloud]

I play it a ton. but I never survive because I get rolled by people every game lol. I must have a giant marker on my back

[wet ether]

maybe a built-in tutorial level for new players? just a small 3 or 4 room dungeon with tips for players

[soft apex]

you may just be a bit disinclined to PvP? I find soloing Crypts is less lethal if you prefer to fight defensively (just bigger, more space to run more directions to lose people). But gear disparity is also back in a big way this patch, so if you don't bring in rare weapons you don't really get to play the PvP

[spark crest]

Sometime they need to stop listening to cry babies complaints
Keep on nerfing character aint good way to archive balance

[neat cloud]

I don't recall ever saying a nerf needs to happen. Just a separation would be nice. gear score queue's or some shit.

[sullen robin]

add a duo que version for goblin caves

[spark crest]

You might take a look on reddit, such as ppl cry for cleric being op since too much healing instead.
In fact they could just block the healjng by blocking enemy line of sight or just target the cleric first

[sullen robin]

no one thinks party cleric is op solo cleric is

[neat cloud]

I understand where you're coming from but that isn't my concern, it's gear not playstyle

[dim jetty]

bring back item cap

[neat cloud]

That's what I'm suggesting... was good times for me

[spark crest]

Kind of satisfied with current gear balance tho.

@sullen robin I am sorry to say this but this game aint bulit for solo the first place. Yes indeed they need to balance between trio / duo and solo.
But why not make restriction between map like solo map penalty or something like that

[latent socket]

Can we please do something about the spawns in Gobbo Caves, you spawn right next to people most of the time and the worst offender is the bottom of Goblin Town where if there's anyone above you that's basically a free kill for them since you are trapped in a barrier

You basically cannot do anything without making a fuckton of noise

[neat cloud]

Gear balance - like how you can wear any quality of gear and steam roll the entire lobby? that's balance?

I don't want LESS gear, I want gear separation. like grey item wearers shouldn't be queue'd in with purple +

[sullen robin]

@spark crest sorry to break it too you most people play the game solo so if solo isnt fun the game will die

[neat cloud]

I love solo play as much as duo and trio. but I always get rolled by super geared folk and never collect my loot..

[spark crest]

If you asking me ofc i love the very early stage of item balance
The problem is not on the gear either the players play. It was the fkin crybabies they need to hold the hand and teach them how to walk.
I indeed with gear separation such as only grey lobby so ppl can get head start and not affecting high-end gear play

[granite plinth]

here's a suggesting, stop buffing rangers and nerfing bards ya jerks

[neat cloud]

100% agree brother. gear score lobbies would be amazing. that way high geared folk have a challenging opponent. and likewise with anything below

[granite plinth]

literally like the 5th bard nerf in a row

[sullen robin]

the point of gear is to have a advantage if ima get people with the same gear there isnt a point?

[neat cloud]

I don't feel that is true

[sullen robin]

thats litterly the only reason people min max gear

[neat cloud]

I don't think a "GREY ONLY" lobby is needed. I think like, Grey-blue, then everything else

[sullen robin]

that would just cus the same thing as last time

people would min max blues and still slam everybody litterly 0 change

[spark crest]

To me, extraction game such as tarkov doesnt need item balance but a differ way to get gear. But the design on DaD has a ring that killing you and forcing ppl to pvp. Grey gear lobby are the easiest way to archive this

[spark crest]

If DaD adding gear restriction again, grey only lobby only acceptable to me. Literally nobody want to keep their BiS forever

[neat cloud]

I can see where that is true. the scare of loss is half the fun. but there needs to be a come-up from the loss..

[pale cosmos]

i suggest making a Big PvE only map 😁🥰🥰

and swapping stash with drag and drop instead of it saying slot occupied

[spark crest]

For whoever cry for cleric being op in solo may never taste of throwing knife build rogue

[short heath]

DJ shouldn't have even been a perk to begin with, to be frank. Before this nerf, it was the best perk in the game by a long shot.

[sharp roost]

Please ban dupers and cheaters permanently so they don't return in 14 days and cause another rollback. Thank you.

[gentle quest]

Please let lizard be able to wear strawhat only

[sinful flare]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx everyone is playing either fighter barb or rogue, didn’t see any other class maybe one naked warlock and one naked cleric.

Didn’t see any wizard or bard

[molten fossil]

Please make this headgear for lizardmen https://imgur.com/a/SH0rq8w

[naive walrus]

We need to go back to the days before the crossbow. That item is toxic as fuck

[ancient pawn]

Maybe give lizardmen like two craftable headgear that are cheap and only decent (green/blue)

[soft nebula]

Fighters should get a perk where they can throw spears. would it be op? yes! would it be hella fkn fun? yes!
-dmg on throwing the spear does +25% on top of base body dmg / 50% additional ontop of hs damage
-on hitting them, it stays on them, causing low bleed, with a skill check, if they get it right, no damage, if they fail it, it also comes off, but causes internal bleeding,
causing them to take 3 dmg/s for 4 seconds
the fighter must manually retrieve the spear off the body or off the floor if its removed.

[merry kestrel]

I suggest the mods discord ban every person who clicked on the "K", "Y", and "S" emojis on the community ping

[merry kestrel]

barbarians should get the spear throwing perk

[naive walrus]

At this point fighters barbarians and rangers should get the perk. And also a perk for when they wear a cape they can fly around too lol

[pale cosmos]

why has 'technical support' tried to call me? 🤣

[desert pine]

0.o thats sus.

[sinful flare]

Nice hit box on the new skin actually unhittable to the head ironmace with 0 iq moves

[dark ember]

its like that

to balance out lack of helmet

[pale cosmos]

its a fake technical support, not the same as the one the devs tagged

[sinful flare]

BARBARIAN CANT DIE IF HE USES BLOOD EXCHANGE I HIT HIM 5 TIMES AND HE HIS FULL HP LIKE WTF ?? @dawn grotto @keen onyx FIX THIS SHITT HELLO??

ACTUALLY GAME BREAKING THING ITS THE MOST UNFAIR THING IVE EVER SEEN

And sitting one sec in on a campfire is all you need to recharge it XD

So now a naked barbarian can take horseman axe or anything that hits very fast and just spam hp heals on you hitting you 5 times and he is 300 hp how the fk is this balanced ironmace are you even playing the game?

With ale and scream he can get 400 hp 😄

I didn’t know you added a new boss to the game called barbarian

[rough gorge]

you do know they only get 1 charge of that like second wind

[zealous cipher]

lizardman skin should have an acid spit or tail swipe instead of the current +armor

[sinful flare]

One second on a campfire and he has it again. Not very balanced.

[rancid nacelle]

Hello, friends. I have a suggestion that I think is very good for the health of the game.
After the introduction of the Lizardmen, my thought is that the races should only be chosen when creating the character and not be possible to change them afterwards. I'm sure this will bring a greater RPG/Dungeon&Dragons feel. However, I believe that this way, the buffs of each race should be different or improved. Here's my suggestion for each race to follow its own lore within RPGs:

• Orcs:

• +2 weapon damage
• -3 agility

• Elves:

• Improved night vision
• +1 agi

• Skeletons:

• Resistance% against slashing and piercing damage
• Vulnerability% against blunt damage

• Lizardmen:

• Can't wear headgear
• +X armor and magic resistance
• +X dark life every X seconds (nothing too crazy, simple life regeneration due to Lizardmen scales and blood)

I believe that this way the game would be much more fun and we would have good varieties and combinations of classes and races with this update in the perks of the races, thus bringing a feeling of RPG and uniqueness of each character.

I hope you like my suggestion and if you do please give it an upvote!

[sinful flare]

They can’t make a normal update and you guys are thinking about skins like wtf

This is the problem with this community 90% of you are naive af

Stop sucking their d and start telling them about their updates that kills the game

[rancid nacelle]

how cute ❤️

[visual nacelle]

Put the haste back to what it was, but make it only self applied.

[shut jolt]

They fucked warlock man that double spell cost needs to go

[soft nebula]

dude, theyre fun suggestions, 90% of the community already complains how about looking at good aspects or change what u play if ur gonna spend every waking moment crying. just have fun with it and stop making us feel like shit for enjoying the game. thank you

[soft nebula]

yeah, except for if they have a fast swinging weapon and theyre on you they can heal to max and more, plus its % of health not flat health like the fighter, 10% would be more understandable but as it is even streamers are saying its broken, that combined with the massive 4 seconds now of the barb slow and its insta death

[hearty temple]

i think the lizardmen should be able to wear helmets. there are a few that could easily be equipped and it will look fine. losing a piece of gear because he got a long face is sad 😦 it can wear leather cap and few more easily, rogue cowl maybe

[pine comet]

Second wind has the recharge time of a 6th level spell, blood exchange has the recharge time of a 1st level spell

[sinful flare]

It is not fun to change class every few days due to meta changes because other classes are just unplayable against

[hot hemlock]

Just play barb, havent had to change off barb in multiple playtests/wipes 🙂

[strange badger]

Blood exchange heals 60% hp in 4 hits, heals when smacking shields too. Achilles strike into blood exchange heals you for 15% max hp with every step the enemy takes over 4 seconds, if they don't stop dead in their tracks the 1 auto attack will heal you for like 75% hp, the slow is enough to guarantee another 45% or 60% total hp easily.

[sinful flare]

so unfair achilles strike does 70 dmg XD

devs are smoking some bad stuff

[strange badger]

Does like no damage now, they changed it a while ago by giving it stronger movespeed slow at the cost of its damage. It still scales well with flat damage increases though.

[sinful flare]

nerf this class asasp

[obtuse hedge]

bruh wtf, i come back after a while with nothing just to run into fully kitted people with purples and legendaries in normals. 3 out of 4 matches were like this. if this is how new players feel when launching the game for the first time then i feel sorry for the games life expectancy

[hazy lark]

I suggest stop ruining the game with stupid balances. Try to add content instead. Wizard is now over, i am done

[gilded ether]

Poison resistance would be cool too

[tranquil pine]

yeah my friend an I 2 lowly rat rouges, trying to farm pve get gold and get out, get attacked by a triple ranger stream team, Manage to kill all 3 of them, then their viewers vow vengeance and to hunt them down (successfully) (while wearing full purple/legendaries) So you have multiple teams working on the same side to kill 2 rats that don't even want to pvp in that instance... It's unreal. Game after game Pure Juice. Unable to even get 40g out. I'm not sure how much longer i can suffer these changes. I finally enjoyed the game for almost a week, before it was ruined again.

[wet ether]

for the love of god spider hitboxes need to be fixed

I just died because I got trapped on a spider hitbox. I wasn't even in a corner. I just got stuck bouncing on it.

[sinful flare]

Fukking nerf barbarian axe does 50000 dmg he has 50000 move speed and 50000 hp and 5000000 swing dmg stupid fuking game

No point of playing any other class than this stupid fuk

Hit 1 axe not even with Achilles strike and gg he can’t escape

Dogs shitt game giving the most tanky classes the most movement speed like wtf where is the skill

[livid mason]

Can we increase duration of invis if its just going to be 4 seconds. Your position is already been given out half way of the invis and foot steps can heard if fighting against good players.

[livid mason]

Call it Hocus pocus because invisibility is not what the name implied

[sinful flare]

I feel like this patch I am forced to play slayer fighter or barbarian

Otherwise it’s just a bad choice

[wet ether]

^
solo bard completely naked and people are still chasing me across the map to kill me for literally nothing. like I clearly communicate to them that I have no items and no weapons and they still chase me down to kill me. it's fucking awful. I hate it so much.

[dry acorn]

the rogue movespeed feels pretty bad. minus two epic lightfoots? hardly worth unless you're quite geared...

Also the ranger buff did not need to happen at all, best revert that, cheers.

[marsh storm]

HR Ruins needed

[meager jasper]

Lizardmen have the equivalent of a leather cap on their head. Either that value should probably be increased or at the very minimum they also need a good innate headshot damage reduction in addition to that armor. Losing the headslot isn't trivial and it needs something a bit better to counteract the loss of the enchantments imo.

[opal vigil]

They're also a cosmetic
Not the worst case scenario, Tho it would be cool to see more specific traits added
Like reduced knockback or consumables having differing efficiencies

I really want an in game crafting system tho
Make a knowledge barbarian to be able to craft herbs harvested into healing pots or bandages

[flat lance]

Because u can potentially steal the portal

[opal vigil]

Levels, potential loot or you potentially turning on them
Make sure you bring unchained Helps with running

[wet ether]

bullshit. that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. why on earth would I, a naked weaponless bard steal a portal? what would I be escaping with?

[flat lance]

So youre planning to remain naked and empty handed by the time everyone has to extract? Do i need to spell it out for you that i meant “IN FUTURE” aka “IF THEY LET YOU GO NOW, YOU WILL TAKE THE PORTAL LATER”? You joined this server 1st Nov. Lmao. And you think you are an expert enough to say whats dumb and what isnt xD hilarious

[wet ether]

nah that's dumb. sounds like you're just making excuses to justify killing friendly players

[flat lance]

Nothing to counter with ——> “nAh tHaTs dUmB” xdd

[wet ether]

damn someone's angry

[flat lance]

Im laughing, while you’re backpedalling and whining. Whos the angry one here ? XD

[spark crest]

why cannot we kill you if i could? this is a pvp game after all, if you dislike it just play single player rpg instead lol

[flat lance]

18 player lobby, 13 portals, lil homie doesnt understand why he can potentially lower the chance of another team to extract xD

[wet ether]

maybe I just don't see the game the same way you guys do

when I play I'm playing to have fun and run around and do goofy shit. it just feels like having fun is becoming less and less viable.

idk man, I'm just saying I'm tired of the tryhards. that's all.

[flat lance]

Buying a hardcore pvpvpe extraction looter, with losing all on death and expecting “casual fun and rainbows and friendship”. Delusional. And no, you werent “just saying that youre tired”, you started arguing and being an a-hole while having 0 clue what youre talking about, “Nov 1st”.

[wet ether]

I'm sorry man. I'm too tired to argue. I don't expect rainbows and sunshine, but a little bit of fun here and there wouldn't hurt. I don't want to spend my time min-maxing to relentlessly slaughter an entire dungeon. I don't even care about losing loot. all that shit comes with the turf it's fine, but I just wish people would chill the fuck out

[spark crest]

I destroy you for fun as well

[hearty temple]

no helmets for the lizards kinda sucks. the lose the bonuses on that slot, i think ironmace should just have let them wear helmets because so many could already fit and the ones that dont should have a different look when equipped maybe. also go +1 resource -1 will, instead of the +20 armor ?

[obtuse lichen]

20 armor is a joke even leather cap gives more

[warm carbon]

I hate to complain and sound negative. I'm also probably the only one who has this issue. But I really really hate the amount of mobs there are in the goblin caves. I fully understand if I'm the only one who has this opinion but I just hate when you spawn in and are immediately swarmed with mobs.

[edgy arrow]

just take your time and try to aggro 1 at a time you can clear rooms with relative safety that way

[hoary flint]

nah its way over saturated. i think its to prevent spawn rushing but the joke is, doesnt matter to a 30 plus agi rouge. ANyways if were complaing they nerfed the wiz to garbage and more just about done hear, fucking finish your classes before you add some dumb ass lizard race

[inner quest]

What would YOU think of the bards buffs and debuffs being in a cone spread out in front of him, similar to the bat scream, instead of a circle. So he has to face towards his teammates or enemies. Would be more realistic like he’s playing to an audience, would also stop a lot of the through walls and floors crap.

[stone grail]

Good idea. Would force the Bard to be more engaged if they want to play mid combat, they can't just run around in a circle and spam buffs.

[worldly bramble]

Make an other solo map, goblin are getting a bit boring to fight and their poison is just too strong

[glacial sphinx]

Destroying haste to fix buffball is a mistake. Wizard is reliant on kiting. Make haste selfcast only and reduce the max hp gained from strength above 35 to 1 (currently it doesn't drop off til 50). This will nerf buffed HP at the highest end while still letting Barbs gain significantly from the first 5 strength on their gear.

[worldly bramble]

solo in the trio map in unplayable nobody is friendly and as soon as you see a group they rush you down no chill enven if its 2 min in the game and nobody as any loot, i see no fun on playing as a solo

[short heath]

Most Barbs just ale and self buff to 237HP with base kit atm anyway, don't really think this is a necessary HP scaling change. What really needs to happen is HP scaling and damage scaling need to be from separate stats. Constitution should be introduced as an attribute that scales HP and the debuff duration stat. Strength loses HP scaling and only scales damage, that way Barbs don't get to double-dip into two of the strongest stats in the game by only investing into a single attribute across all of their gear. Barbs are currently a huge stat check for early game, and a decent contender for buffball comps late game.

[worldly bramble]

No class can solo do 237 dommage in base kit.... thats a bit too much if you ask me

[short heath]

Oh, I agree. Way too high. That's why I suggest HP scaling be taken away from STR, because currently they get way too much damage and health with a base kit.

[worldly bramble]

True

[short heath]

You spend 24 gold on an ale or find one in the dungeon and you can stat check anyone you want pretty much.

[worldly bramble]

I think they need to nerf many class but mostly nerf all the buff a group can have, cleric bard and warrior is too strong

[tidal tide]

why does the stash keeps being set back? I already lost 2 golden keys to that, feels super lame

[wild geyser]

Reverse the cleric nerfs, people need to stop crying about fucking group comps and learn how to counter

[elder bobcat]

Is there a counter to buffball?

[vernal hedge]

How do you counter buffball?

[elder bobcat]

Noone knows. But you must learn how to anyway

[vernal hedge]

Because there wasn’t unless you became the buffball too, specially after damage was massively reduced to the people that could punish back line

[wild geyser]

You run

[elder bobcat]

So we can’t counter and it’s perfectly balanced

[wild geyser]

I just don’t think nerfing the cleric was the solution to that comp. Literally saw it again last night….

Nerfing the buffs the wizard gives were just fine, why nerf cleric spell count

[vernal hedge]

What does it matter that you saw it? It’s power was reduced and even then sdf has already expressed than even this will likely not be enough and they will reiterate on needs and buffs has needed

[short heath]

Buffballing is cancerous and 90% of people who use it as a crutch to win are bad.

[wild geyser]

So reduce cleric spell count cause why

[low heart]

they did like nothing to clerick and he was one of the strongest classes, they buffed ranger and nerfed worlock, worlock is now death after 4 spells ( he is the casting one) .
How can u cry about clerick?

[vernal hedge]

Because cleric on the current meta was busted, everyone’s damage was significantly reduced but they could throw out even more healing because of stacking potions

[wild geyser]

How is cleric the strongest cleric sir? Most of our weapon attack patterns are easily countered, most of the spells are support spells, the dps spells don’t hit hard enough without specifically stacking gear towards that? Lol have you ever used a flanged mace

[short heath]

Reduced damage potential is a shadow buff to shields and heals provided by the Cleric. So they got reduced casts to put them more in line with the reduced damage output potential of dps classes.

[wild geyser]

Ok I can see that

Nobody likes the buff ball Barb but seriously wizard made that more broken than cleric did, cleric makes any team good cause the class is devoted to support whereas every other class except bard is dmg based

[short heath]

I mean, yeah. You're right. Wizard was way worse, but with the reduced damage potential currently available, Clerics became better overall for team play than Wizards were.

[wild geyser]

I’m just a butthurt cleric main

[short heath]

Brother, you're talking to a former Rogue main.

[elder bobcat]

Offf

[wild geyser]

Who now knows I need to sit more often in the dungeon

[vernal hedge]

Yah cleric neerfs weren’t just buffball nerds, but bringing cleric down in power regarding the current meta and direction of the game, not much hardcore if you cleric can get topping you up without an issue or pause to rest

[short heath]

Rogues are still mid right now even with buffs to base weapon damage.

[wild geyser]

Oh god. They ruined rogue, literally because of crying…

[wild geyser]

That’s a trade off imo tho. You’re trading damage for support and heals. Clerics are not good damage dealers in any way. I mean they can be built that way but not cheaply

[short heath]

They were mainly aimed at buffballing, but Clerics did need to be tuned down a bit across the board since damage numbers were reduced. They need to address the max potential PDR/MDR or adjust the curves at least next.

[vernal hedge]

A cleric can 100% be a middle ground between frontliner and support, not on default but after some gear with stuff like smite you delete

[halcyon gorge]

Make normals naked runs, and high roller the place where you get to use the loot you got from normals

[vernal hedge]

There’s a reason cleric was used has main melee in some buffball comps

[short heath]

Ya, double Cleric buffballs were fairly common.

[wild geyser]

Idk how you solve buffball barbarian tbh

[vernal hedge]

It hard because the issue is stacking buffs, lots of moving parts

Well “hard”, allot they can do would delete buffball but that’s not a good direction

[wild geyser]

Why not just remove buff stacking. Like buffs that buff the same class of stats don’t stack on each other. EZ PZ

[vernal hedge]

You shouldn’t remove playstyles, you should balance them and grant counter play ability

[halcyon gorge]

Is making normals only naked runs a bad idea?

[wild geyser]

Alacrity and Rush don’t stack for example for fighter bard

[vernal hedge]

That’s what mmos do generally, you keep the largest buff of a specific stat

[low heart]

3 use of blinding spells and worlock is death that spel should not be dealing dmg.
use smite and kill evryone with staff in 1-3 hits.

Heal to full hp multiple times before u are out of spells.
Keep friendly alive when he should be death 3 times.

How is it not strong?

[gentle linden]

My only suggestion is to give rogue move speed. Let the assassin feel like an assassin, damage isn’t an issue for them, they felt fine before the patch. Now it’s just not enjoyable

[graceful beacon]

yeah atm fighter can outrun base-rogue... why??? I dunno how this would be balanced though. they did a pretty terrible job balancing double jump

[summer locust]

I have a great suggestion Ironmace. Maybe f off from people that are not cheating and dont ban them for 72 hours?

[sweet holly]

Did they just nerf wizard again ?

Spellblade is gone from the game now

[patent mauve]

Named pair of unique "Old shoes" Cloud shoes/Nimbus shoes, grants the user an additional jump on a cloud puff animation with a (5~15)second cooldown.

[graceful beacon]

what would this be used for? It's a 15 sec cd

[patent mauve]

Reaching places you can't without double jump?

[neat cloud]

This game is fucking ass right now.

[graceful beacon]

that's cool and all but it's a unique, why would anyone spend so much/grind for that

[patent mauve]

Old shoes are useless, this would make them useful as a named unique and give other classes access to DJ locations but limits spamming jumping into cheese spots without proper planning and execution.

[graceful beacon]

I feel like people would be pretty upset if they grinded bosses for a couple hours to get a unique old shoe though

[patent mauve]

Old shoes are the slowest shoe, so even grinding for this item would be niche but have applications, and to your point, people already DO drop unique Old shoes, and it s a disappointment every time.

[neat cloud]

There is no reason grey geared people should be queue'd in with top gear people. this game is fuckin aids right now

Can't fuckin extract even once in 40 games because I keep getting jumped by super geared people. garbage ass matchmaking system is going to kill this game

[patent mauve]

Practice ratting strats, what map are you playing?

[neat cloud]

all of them! I can't get out of any! I tried pushing, ratting, rogue, running, fighting. I can't get a damn break man

I love this game. it's the most fun I've had in ages. Until I get jumped by super geared people just looking to grief the entire map. it's ridiculous. there needs to be a gear separation in matchmaking.

[patent mauve]

Just play cleric, it's easy mode, put lesser heal and sanctuary and camp the swarm zone.

[tiny star]

How about instead of giving skins raw stats you would give them perks/skills. Lizardman could get different breath type (fire/cold/poison) depending on colour. That would be a very D&D thing to do.

[neat cloud]

I get where they got the idea for the benefit of lizardmen but you lose valuable stats by running it... helmets give way too much good stat to not use them just for a little bit of speed

[bleak dagger]

is it possible that the portal spawns in crypts are fucked up?

[neat cloud]

Haven't noticed? Can you explain what you mean?

[bright sierra]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505943/haste-change bring haste back

[patent mauve]

yeah but the slanted heads mean you can duck headshots more easily

[tiny wigeon]

Your takes are so bad man, really shouldn’t be giving out suggestions.
“Just deal with buff ball” cool dude xD
You get less spells but resting makes your spells regenerate almost 200% faster then before. They want u to use heals outside of combat mostly, that’s why they didn’t touch the protection spell at all. They increases cast time on both heals so ppl can’t just be using that shit during fight all time.
And if you are upset because your earthquake has 1 less charge, learn when to use it, if u need to use 2 earthquakes to win a fight , you are doing it wrong.
They want to slow these groups down, so at least you have to rest before ganging up on another team.
Cleric main here aswell btw in case that matters to you

[patent mauve]

I'd prefer they give wizard a perk that grants hastes move speed bonus on them again. Haste mastery, just like rogues hand crossbow xD

[tiny wigeon]

Even top level wizards aren’t complaining about this change, seems like you were a buff ball abuser and now can’t play the game without the overpowered mechanic

[gaunt saffron]

This is a common complaint I see by casual/chill players, hell i'm sure some sweats/juicers would use it from time to time too. I get gaming for some people is about relaxing and destress after work etc, BUT BUT why would you choose to play a PvP game that day to achieve that? By nature that has a level of stress involved, also the understood unspoken agreement that you will be engaging in battle, agreed to or not, just by the nature of the genre of the game.

The disconnect with those with the above mindset, is they believe the other PVPers in said PVP game has to abide by an unspoke rule of "honor". If you have any modicum of experience with online competitive PVP games, that generally is not the case. You will always have players in the games that are out just for sheer bloodsport, nothing (games like that appeal to that mindset), there is nothing you can do balance wise to curb that mentality. I'm not saying I condone relentlessly hunting down newbies, BUT I understand that is the nature of these games, whether I like it or not.

[bleak dagger]

there are no blue portals spawning in the last 2 circles

[bright sierra]

A perk to make haste how it was doesn't make as much sense as rogues and hand crossbows to me. I don't personally understand this "buff ball abuser" as if anyone was "abusing" it. There was no bug or exploit being used in the buff ball to abuse so it's just people playing the game in my opinion, to support my suggestion its very common in dungeons and dragons for casters to buff their melees before combat (with haste being a melee favorite because of how good it is) so this haste change is just straying from the original theme of this game to satisfy cry babies for the millionth time which i don't support. to go even further, you say i abused buff ball but have you not? have you never played on a team where a haste was cast on your frontliner? cause if you havent i dont believe you, sorry. everyone's "abused" it at some point because it wasnt abuse it was just the best spell to cast on your team before a fight.

[neat hearth]

Let lizards wear most cloth headwear. Easy to model and more balanced than no headwear at all

[neat cloud]

That defeats the whole idea IMO..

[patent mauve]

And now it's still good, invis still buffs speed by what 5%? So with the new buff duration changes you can have 7+ seconds of invisibility with +5% move speed. I think a perk that allows wizard to benefit the most from haste is a better change than just reverting it back. Buff ball was overtuned.

[vernal hedge]

the idea is to have it like in dungeons and dragons i'm fairly certain, where some races are limited to certain gear choices but also have more unique racial benefits, this is the first iteration so the lizardman buffs will still change but the goal would be for them to never wear an helmet

[tiny wigeon]

So you are a buff ball abuser.
This argument of “it was in the game , so it’s not abusing” , tells me everything I need to know about how little brain power you have.
Just because it’s not a bug or exploit , doesn’t mean it doesn’t need balance you mong.
And you saying “… just straying from the original theme of the game” , like you know what that is, do u think the devs know better what direction of the game they’ve had in their minds, or you? Some random?

[patent mauve]

No need to insult the man.

[tiny wigeon]

There is , because he is insulting the devs, so why not fight fire with fire?

[hexed latch]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[tiny wigeon]

I’m sick of this community incessant whine about a game that is in early access, if the game is bad for you, press alt f4 , if it’s good, queue next.
Done!
You bought a early access game, it comes with it, changes happen

[hexed latch]

I completly agree with you. But the devs use the community outcry as a positive outcome and make the content better.

[tiny wigeon]

This dude is playing buff ball and can’t handle that his beloved haste spell got FIXED, and he dares to say it’s not in line with the game? Like he knows? What a insult to the dev team

[tiny wigeon]

The devs are better ppl then I am , that’s for sure , I lose my mind reading general chat and some of the things here, although, on this channel most ppl are pretty chill and think a little bit before just posting the worse recommendation possible

[vernal hedge]

would you say that the cleric nerfs were also them "straying from the original theme of this game "?

[bleak dagger]

okay karen lets just delete the players then

[hexed latch]

That's the appeal to this genre of game. You gonna risk it all?

[devout cosmos]

I'm saying cope

[tiny wigeon]

Pick your fights , walk slowly, do u know u can crouch AND slow walk at same time? Did you know u can avoid fights and not rush vs everyone you see?
Gear matchmaking is BAD in a game that has this many active users, we got 3 maps, two of them have high roller with 5-10min queues already , often u go alone or with couple others, and u want them to add GEAR matchmaking on top of it?
Use brain, if u split player base that much, it’s over for everyone.
You know what’s worse then dying? 10min queue times and empty lobbies, if u want pve go play dead island or something

[neat cloud]

Every game will have casuals like me who can't play for hours per day, and no lifers. a gear score matchmaking system will alleviate the annoyance of getting steam rolled every single raid. its unfair.

[tiny wigeon]

Dude … you aren’t playing dota or league or cs that have thousand and thousands of players, you playing a small indie game that has 10k users at peak

[patent mauve]

They've closed the gear gap from the Playtest era by over 90%, how much further should we go?

[tiny wigeon]

You have 5 regions, 3 maps, 2 with high roller , what do u think is going to happen?

[vernal hedge]

he hasn't gotten that far like 90% of the people that ask a queue for this, no trading queue for that, etc

[patent mauve]

Max damage rolls are 14 for physical damage down from 72+, armor at the base level is protecting like 10-25% more PDR

[tiny wigeon]

And that’s what makes me so mad, these little sad people , take less then 1 minute coming up with a “solution” that doesn’t even work on the current situation, and blame devs that are spending hours and hours a week actively thinking of a solution to these things
Show some respect, before u come here giving a “solution” ask yourself why the devs haven’t thought about it before. Because I guarantee it, the devs are way more suited for solutions then you are

[patent mauve]

Everyone learns the game at their own pace, I've got my strats down and make it out with 90%+ extract rates. It's very easy if you learn the game mechanics and maps. This isn't a single player RPG that you can save scum, this is a hardcore fantasy PVPVE looting game.

[devout cosmos]

exactly

[urban solar]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, remove the damn dark swarm. Not a necessary mechanic and only frustrates

[devout cosmos]

huh? then just hide at the corner and loot the whole map wtf

[urban solar]

All the good rooms that they should incentivize would be looted already then if you hide and wait

[hexed latch]

if you bring enough healing, you can stay in it all game.

[patent mauve]

There's good loot rooms in every corner of the map, you can live in the swarm with the right class/utility items.

[bright sierra]

this game is based on dungeons and dragons haste is no longer like haste in dungeons and dragons thats what i don't support. the cleric nerfs didnt change anything away from the way clerics are in dungeons and dragons so no its taking away from the theme except for them starting with a book before wizard does

[urban solar]

Okay so you're going to loot one room and consider that good? No. People will go where the loot is, just like tarkov. Or you can rat it out and loot the shit spots, and that's fine

[tiny wigeon]

This is what I was talking about before… I mean ……. Did u seriously suggest this ? Not as a meme? Do you know what type of game you playing?

[patent mauve]

The loot is in chests, spread out across the map, if you know the maps, you know what modules to prioritize looting. You'll know where static portal spawns are, when to go into inferno for better loot. When to dive into HR for the best loot. It's a learning curve

[urban solar]

An extraction game? What other extraction game has a Battle Royale circle?

[vernal hedge]

well the classes are inspired in dnd but not a 1-1, otherwise where's my rogue 1 shot ability based on a dice roll?

you also don't pvp in dnd so you can't expect them to make all the balance and class structure based on a game that works very differently

[tiny wigeon]

Do u know how haste works in dungeon and dragons? Clearly you don’t , if u think the previous haste was “loyal” to dungeons and dragons , you are delusional

[patent mauve]

This, "inspired by" doesn't mean carbon f-ing copy..

[urban solar]

You're intentionally trying to imply there aren't good loot rooms and bad ones. Come on now

[patent mauve]

There are, and if you know the maps, you'll know what modules to prioritize, I said exactly that.

[tiny wigeon]

And what other extraction game has wizards? Or bards? None of them, this is what makes the original, if u wanna play Tarkov go play tarkov, but don’t assume the community in this game wants that

[vernal hedge]

exactly, but that's what the other guys believes it to be

[patent mauve]

Yeah well they'll always have DnD, if they have friends to RP with that is..

[tiny wigeon]

Haste gives you one extra action per turn and after one minute u become lethargic. How is old haste similar to dungeons and dragons haste? Stop coping dude

Buff ball abuser Anderson is upset his team suddenly can’t kill anyone

[wet mortar]

Yea if anything this haste makes a bit more sense in some ways, you essentially get a "free turn" spell cast every 4th or so spell essentially

[tiny wigeon]

I agree , thats a good point actually, the devs clearly mean haste to be used before fight and not during fight much

[patent mauve]

Yeah having extra cast speed and action speed literally means your turn comes back around before the enemies in a sense lmao

[hexed latch]

The targets speed is also doubled and gains 2 ac

[wet mortar]

Exactly... like I don't get the complaints, it's a far more suitable role for the spell and I'm happy they're removing a lot of mobility

[tiny wigeon]

Right right , which again, further show that while this game is inspired. It HAS to be different, u can’t implement spells from dungeons and dragons to dark and darker just 1:1 ratio

[patent mauve]

Yeah I'd prefer they add a perk for wizards to still get movement* haste at the cost of quick chant or the bonus MP perk, a trade off for the speed boost to apply to them wouldn't hurt. It was the haste speed on other classes that made it overtuned.

[wet mortar]

I'd prefer no speed boost. haste on wiz made it impossible to catch spellbook wizzes who were full naked by anyone but ranger, rogue, bard potentially. I do like that there's incentive to wear wiz hat and shoes now which will naturally slow wiz.

[hexed latch]

Just saying that it was very similar to dungeons and dragons. The game has more similarities than you think. Even the acronym for the game is the same as Dungeons and Dragons

[patent mauve]

Yeah and they still get 5% from invisibility

[tiny wigeon]

Can’t believe I just read “ remove the dark swarm” …

[wet mortar]

Dark swarm should just be an ability that makes a wall of bugs blocking off a doorway/hallway, dealing insane damage if you try to walk through it and a cast and forget not like the current version where it's essentially earthquake

[tiny wigeon]

Remove dark swarm and weapons and have the game renamed from dark and darker to VR room fantasy chat!

[patent mauve]

Ok imma post my previous suggestion again to start more discussion on other topics.
" Named pair of "Old shoes" Cloud shoes/Nimbus boots, grants the user an additional jump on a cloud puff animation with a 5~15 second cooldown. "

[tiny wigeon]

The game isn’t set for items to have a “use” keybind, so before any of this comes along, they have to have the base system in place. No items have on use effect and prob won’t for a very long time, if ever

[hexed latch]

[vernal hedge]

there doesnt need to be any use key? it would work like double jump for rogue but have cooldown

[midnight wigeon]

The hoodies had soo much potential

[tiny wigeon]

They already have talents and perks and quests on the books, they prob should just focus on that first

[hexed latch]

Double jump already exists.

[tiny wigeon]

Right, so it would insta activate every time u double jump , I mean, it would make the boots better but do we care that much ? Seems very specific thing to do for an early access game with a bunch of shit to do on the books

[patent mauve]

I'd figure they could code it similarly to rogues DJ with a base cooldown that they already have though, like aegis CD.

[tiny wigeon]

Cause it would be weird if these boots were the only gear with passive/active use and nothing else

[hexed latch]

It's a suggestions chat. And I think it's a good suggestion.

[vernal hedge]

he is just opening way to unique gear which arguably you have with aegis already, the unique shield that reflects spells

[tiny wigeon]

Fair, im not against it, im only against it , if I would be the only item getting such treatment

[vernal hedge]

theres also life and death, a weapon that once a run if you are supposed to die will leave you at 1 hp for a few second

[patent mauve]

We've yet to see enough items drop to really say it's out of the realm of possibility, plus many players call for the removal of old shoes as they are a terrible drop. This would at least add some usage for that gear piece as a named drop

[vernal hedge]

we know every weapon will have a unique version, why not armor?

[hexed latch]

As a rogue, old shoes make the least noise so I wear them

[patent mauve]

Triple jump rogue

[hexed latch]

[patent mauve]

If everyone has DJ then no ones special

Less rogue hate

[hexed latch]

Rogues get to much hate tbf it was deserved at some point

[tiny wigeon]

Yes , I know about these. I just feel boots are a bit different, two reasons why.
Anyone can use these boots, while all uniques currently have some sort of limitation to them. Bow can’t be used by wizard and etc.
Second, these uniques are very noticeable, if you know them, you can spot them, like that life and death axe, is very visable that a player has that unique, which allows u to dodge or counterplay.
However boots are very hard to notice , and have no class limitations, again I think it’s a good idea , if we make a bunch of items do these things, but I feel like these active/passives are just kind of “talents” that we will have eventually

[pallid dome]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto Range reduction on Shriek of Weakness may have been a bit much. Finding bards, my own and others, getting absolutely murdered trying to use it. Most bards aren't running it anymore

[neat cloud]

Gearscore matchmaking - needs to happen. I shouldn't have to "rat" or run and hide from every single person in every single dungeon. I should have similarly geared folk looking to have fights with eachother, not just get my ass beaten to a pulp every single dungeon

[supple dirge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/506093/disable-chain-lighting-casts-on-corpses

[patent mauve]

You'll notice the puff of cloud, and the fact that a wizard just double jumped, ect. And you can still examine people in pregame lobby. These boots also don't add any combat stats like other names uniques do, only a utility ability on a cooldown.

[hexed latch]

I'm tired of reading your posts man. All you got is negativity. Show some of that positivity that you wish to see from others.

[tiny wigeon]

Not you again, we already explained why ur idea is bad, unless game gets 100K + people playing it, making gear matchmaking will just make queues long and games empty

[vernal hedge]

they don't have to be hard to notice tough, have you seen a unique round shield ingame? I can tell you right away that if you never have the moment you do you can tell it is one because it looks sick in red and gold looking like an immortal shield, unique items can easily be given models with gold decoration and such so that they are noticeable

[neat cloud]

Not you again, Mr.my opinion is the be all end all, acept it or leave.

[tiny wigeon]

What negativity, I just said I liked the idea, I would just like more pieces with it

[tiny wigeon]

Yea this is true, I just don’t often look at boots but maybe I would if they were unique and shiny or something xD

[neat cloud]

Player count at any level doesn't matter. I shouldn't be grouped up with people that have end game gear every single raid

[patent mauve]

Exactly , they could add icarius boots wings onto them or give a cloud like aura. Something.

[hexed latch]

Play at the start of the wipe

[tiny wigeon]

“Player count at any level doesn’t matter” ahahaha
Dude the only thing that matters is player count , what are u on about

[neat cloud]

I did lmfao

[neat cloud]

Me? what high horse did you acquire to be saying my opinion is bad and everyone agrees with you?

[patent mauve]

Plus I really think more items that add less combat focused actives/uses would be healthy for the game.

[supple dirge]

Gear Score is cringe

[neat cloud]

Getting my ass beat down every single dungeon by top tier gear players is cringe

[vernal hedge]

doesnt fulgor already have a constant energy flowing through it?

[tiny wigeon]

Your opinion is bad, you are entitled to have an opinion , doesn’t mean it won’t be bad, multiple people in this channel have given u reasons why it’s a bad opinion, and u ignore it and keep pushing it.
You think the devs haven’t thought about gear matchmaking? You think you are some enlightened human being that can see something nobody else has seen? People that get paid to develop the game haven’t noticed what you have, with your extremely high IQ

[patent mauve]

I stole portals from a geared team in inferno and watched two of them lose their bis.

[wet mortar]

Gear score very cringe. Bring back the semi-separation wherein purpleplus is restricted to high roller though imo.

[patent mauve]

I think, and the stinky stick is impossible to not notice someone creating fart clouds xD.

[neat cloud]

Your opinion about my opinion is bad. get off your horse

[tiny wigeon]

Learn to dodge fights u can’t win, learn to use enviroment to your help, run, do anything.
I bet you have plate boots walking around making all noise in the world breaking pots, get jumped by people and then wonder why?

[neat cloud]

You are wrong.

[tiny wigeon]

I’m not the one in a horse , you are, multiple ppl here have told u why it’s a bad idea, and you keep posting it, like you know better then us AND the devs , you are on a horse dude not me

[patent mauve]

In HR you wouldn't know someone is using a named item unless you saw them in pregame lobby, not seeing someone's double jump boots wouldn't ruin your gaming experience. Just give you an "aha" moment.

[neat cloud]

It's not a bad opinion. Some type of gear separation needs to happen. period. whether it's gearscore or something else. Why do you think they have tried it already? they're conjuring something up

[wet mortar]

I don't think this is the answer imo, it's not just git gud when someone is genuinely essentially unkillable and entirely inescapable by you because of the matchup in gear and class.

[tiny wigeon]

They are, and I agree with u that it’s annoying , however, gear matchmaking isn’t the solution , not with 10k player pool. And also, some ppl enjoy the fact that they can go into a lobby naked and come out with epics, something that won’t happen with gear matchmaking, all the gear you get will be similar to yours unless the player you killed looted something big in the run you are in

[tiny wigeon]

Balance is impossible , think about it like this.
There are 3 different maps, some are open, some are closed, which means certain play styles and classes are better in certain maps then others.
There are 8 classes , each has a bunch of perks and abilities , some of these abilities and perks interact with your teammates.
Now will all these iterations , it’s impossible to all balance in every situation.
Total balance is boring, it takes away from the uniqueness of the game.
Don’t get me wrong, full kited teams in normal crypts is cringe as fuck, but I would still take that over the alternative

[bright ore]

Noob stomping tax is the solution.
Reg dungeons only
50g per purple
100g per orange
250g per unique

[wet mortar]

I don't think this game is balanceable obviously there will always be differentials in fights, but currently the biggest differentials are gear, and cleric. If you have better gear and the other team doesn't have cleric, they auto lose 95% of the time.

[bright ore]

Because at this point you’re joining just to be a Richard and the game needs a money sink.

[wet mortar]

I honestly think the system of no epics+ in norms was alright just needed tweaking

[patent mauve]

Would prefer -10 luck for every purple you bring into the normal dungeons but that's just me.

[tiny wigeon]

Pub stomping lowbies will sadly always be a thing, cause ppl are disgusting.
Look at the 1-15 Lobbies and 15-20 lobby system they had going on.
People were playing on smurfs, queue with a friend, get their friend to drop them gear, then go play in 1-15 lobbies fully kitted, players will always find a way to be lame

[bright ore]

You aren’t going into a dungeon that kitted to roll on reg loot.

[patent mauve]

Yeah, it's to hunt other players, but if they only find grey geared timmies, its still a waste. Charging them 200+ gold to make them go HR seems a bit too harsh. I'd rather them going into inferno with a -80 luck bonus wasting all their time a better idea, they could still end up with a legendary worth 2+keys off a boss drop at the end of their run. -80 luck would make that nearly impossible.

[wet mortar]

they have infinite gold it doesn't really affect them, and again they/'re just playing to roll not to loot...

[patent mauve]

Players would gladly spend 300G to pub stomp lobbies, I'm guessing people would even donate gold to streamers to hear timmies cry. People pay Jay to murder people for gift subs constantly xD

[bright ore]

Again it a noob stomping tax. Make them pay more than HR to do it in regs.

[tiny wigeon]

most players that are stomping lowbies, just take blue portals and the end and go to it again

[wet mortar]

The best solution is genuinely the one they had in place where epics were restricted to high roller... makes perfect sense don't understand why they removed.

[bright ore]

If they want to do it in BIS blues at least I have a chance in my rag tag green set

[patent mauve]

Making the gear drops from normal lobbies literally nothing but grey drops imo is the better solution. they'll make that 300g entrance fee in one HR run and run right back to the normal lobby to pub stomp

[tiny wigeon]

they removed it, cause how the gear was working at the time it made no sense.
did u notice what happened to the market during this change? Blues were more expensive then purpes and even legendaries

[patent mauve]

If that's what they want to do, no pigeon hold on an entrance fee is gonna stop them, and they'll still have a possibility of a unique drop off inferno bosses in normal lobbies. Reducing luck would prevent the drop rate by 200%+.

[bright ore]

They aren’t queuing for drops. They are queueing to get easy kills and content for their 50 TikTok subs, the norm loot doesn’t matter.

Make them pay 300-400 gold to do it.

[tiny wigeon]

and it made people not queue to high roller, like ever, high roller was just dead, which to be fair, was a lot due to the chinese farming teams

[wet mortar]

That's fine though... supply and demand. Make high roller more engaging and the other gear would be a good price.

[patent mauve]

Yes, and they'll gladly pay that is my point, it's not gonna stop them, just reduce overall gold flow in the community. You can make 1000s of gold from one HR run, and even one normal run if the boss loot is good. Reducing loot drops will still act as a time sink the same as a 300-400 gold sink would.

[tiny wigeon]

i agree, i dont know what happened, but the geared players used to go to high roller, but nowadays nope, many just rather farm kills on normals

[patent mauve]

You can make 200-300 gold per normal run, I do it frequently with 90%+ extraction rate. That won't stop good players from pub stomping.

[bright ore]

So what you’re saying is both are needed. All gray drops and a money sink to join making it a net loss on resources.

[patent mauve]

A mix of both wouldn't hurt I suppose, 25-50 gold per purple and -10 luck for each piece purple gear you're wearing.

[bright ore]

Nah man, raise that purple tax

[tiny wigeon]

you guys think if players were using top quality blues, they wouldnt just as easily stomp u?

[patent mauve]

I want timmies to be able to bring that one purple weapon they bought off the candy vendor into normals at a small cost..

[bright ore]

We want to redirect into HR. Making reg accessible but make it not worth the time or effort in end game gear

[tiny wigeon]

the different between purple and blue isnt that much, especially now that u cant roll multiple damage stats in 1 piece of gear, blue and epic gear isnt that different

[patent mauve]

The timmies can't make it in HR, 95% of players died to the mob they encountered. Their learning curve is steep.

[tiny wigeon]

knight, those players arent queueing for high roller, there are a bunch of naked ppl queueing high roller

[patent mauve]

Yeah, I'd want a timmie with his one purple item to still enjoy the game

Instead of paying half a HR fee because he managed to save 30 candy..

[tiny wigeon]

dont think it would change anything, people would just queue in blues instead, and still stomp u just as hard.
People will always be lame if they want to, either making smurf account, or trading shit between friends , or using blue gear instead of purple so they can queue into the timmies

[wet mortar]

new vik sword feels so gross

[tiny wigeon]

or just buying 1k gold for 1dollar, and paying your fee, the timmies are fucked regardless

[patent mauve]

Let's not cut off our nose to spite our face, the problem is good players will always get the gear first.
We can't stop them, but we could make it less desirable to wear good gear in normal lobbies while not hurting the timmies too much. Hell most players thought luck was a placebo for the longest time because nobody actually tested the drop rate increases. @tiny wigeon Exactly!

[tiny wigeon]

im down to try it, i just have no faith ppl wont find some way to continue to be lame

[wet mortar]

Viking sword is now as slow as battle axe XD

[patent mauve]

Minor incentives are all we need to push better players into HR lobbies.
Honestly I'd prefer the drop rate for HR be insanely good, since the death rate is so high in there. They could always drop the drop rates in later patches once the playerbase gets their wings.

[visual violet]

CAN WE STOP LETTING FUCKIN RANGERS PLACE TRAPS IN DEAD BODIES

[patent mauve]

This would definitely be a good change

[visual violet]

every single death i have on HR rn is some shitter teir ranger with blue shit killing me bc i run into 3 traps hiddin in dead boddies. this is so cancer

if i run into it of my own accord i dont give a shit im bad fuckin let my hr run 2k kit die but i c ant even SEE the traps to avoid them

[tiny wigeon]

this, and chain lightning off bodies

[visual violet]

it lasts like WAY too fucking long too, you should only be able to get 1 trip and maybe a shot off, not a triple shot and two more. i take 5 hits when im in a fucking trap and i only live that long bc im barb and rage

[wet mortar]

Just make traps slow by 50% instead of stunning people

[tiny wigeon]

i think traps should hold u in place, and u can move a bit on these traps, they changed it a whle back so the traps are a little area that u can still "move", i would rather reduce the duration on them

traps arent that bad when im on cleric, and have the 50% less debuffs duration on me, they last very little, and i usually just block for 3 seconds or so, then i can move again, that would make more sense for everyone

[wet mortar]

I'd rather them just slow so that youcan still have a chance to get to cover and take it off

[patent mauve]

Yeah and you can build -100% debuff duration on cleric now.

[tiny wigeon]

kind of defeats the purpose of a "trap" ur not a ranger player i can tell

[visual violet]

i mean only 3 classes have sheilds . i just think they dont even belong in the game honestly anything that can act as a player and do dmg while actively not having to be there need to be removed

they remove that shit from vitrually every game that tries to be giga balanced in a PVP situation, and the fact that there is no limit so someone can place literally 10 traps and can walk across the dungeon and come back through their maze and they still are active is just stupid.

[tiny wigeon]

ye having a limit on how many traps u can have active, or a duration on trap being active after u laid down could be nice

[visual violet]

i dont want to play a game where im forced to dodge incoming arrows for 20 seconds while i even get up to a ranger in HR gobs and then have to play looking at the floor and jumping over every xingle dead body,

[tiny wigeon]

my advice to you if they dont change how traps work is just, crouch and turn ur back on them, they can only hit ur body and not ur head, hopefully thats enough time for u to disarm the trap and run to a more favourable spot

[patent mauve]

Yeah and major issue is, you sometimes cant unlock the trap unless someone else stand on top of the bodies hitbox.

[tiny wigeon]

also since we talking about traps, fix this clear bug, where rangers can shoot arrows and then place a trap on top of arrows, effectively putting a trap wherever they want, sucks when ur looking at the floor expecting traps, then get trapped on ur head instead xD

[bright ore]

I get where you are coming from, my worry is the fate of early acces games that cater to chads wants to be sweaty and shit on less “good” players ends up killing off the player base as most people don’t like banging their heads on brick walls and going no where.
I enjoy pvp but I’m running into nights where it’s just geared out groups rolling the dungeon inventory full of bandages, pots, and campfires and not even looting the teams they are rolling through. This kind of play is just as demoralizing as teaming, I’m still getting my 2-4 hours a night but when I hit multiple nights in a row where it’s every game it makes me want to move on.

Games can survive without chads, they cant survive without timmies puttering around.