suggestion-discussion

[strange badger]

Suppose the +weapon damage roll were something like .3 or .6 instead of 1 or 2, would you still consider it unhealthy for the game? I feel like it's ok to have it, and that in part the opinion that it's unhealthy for the game is related to its current state being unhealthy for the game.

Now, I admit that it's a little awkward that low damage weapons like daggers are given the same scaling as high damage weapons like the felling axe. But I think you can find a balance between +weapon damage and +physical power modifiers where physical power still gives significantly better scaling to high hitting weapons but the low damage weapons are given just slightly preferencial treatment by having a modifier that gives them a higher % increase (because it's a flat added value) than the high damage weapons get with their preferred stat of % damage increases.

[grave nebula]

i assume you are talking about new players, its usually people who arent confident they can get better loot so they take greys and whites

[upper sonnet]

• Weapon is bad because it gets also Power Bonus. Additional COULD be fine if it was like +2 max, maybe +3 on Legendaries only, since it doesn't get any power bonus. But it also adds to skill damage which can get out of hand real quick too

[hallow acorn]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade

[stuck perch]

+weapon damage is hard to judge because you have to take into account the attack speed of the item and the total range of the weapon as well as the effective range of the weapon.

[plush haven]

sometimes i check open chests and i have found treasures in them or ill come across someone trying to extract and kill them open their inv and its empty

[thorny shard]

Crafting is really cool now, but I feel like it should almost be recipes instead of vendors. That way we have goals we can work toward, instead of just getting lucky with vendor options.

[visual umbra]

+weapon damage makes balance between classes & weapons unfeasible. Simple as.

[plush haven]

they need to make the stats not show on crafted weapons just the ranges for the base stats and how many extra stats they could get

[thorny shard]

Yeah that would be interesting too. Like you craft "crafting gear" and have to get lucky with stats

[stuck perch]

If you don't like the vendor option just wait until it resets.

[thorny shard]

I mean sure... but that's not waht my suggestion was. I get that right now you just have to get luckky, but crafting is usually recipe = result.

[plush haven]

well it would prob still be how it is now but you wouldnt be able to see whats on it

[plush haven]

so what you thinking something like craft mace it has base stats and to get the bonus stats get it enchanted or something?

[stuck perch]

Isn't that what you want? How would it feel to farm up a legendary only to have it roll a useless stat?

[thorny shard]

Exactly, but the recipes would be static. Like you know you want to craft a mace, so you farm those.

[plush haven]

crafting should be a gamble as well its no fun if you know what you are getting

[thorny shard]

Right in most games crafting is another "OMG LOOK AT THAT CRAFT" moment

[stuck perch]

If you want to gamble go to the goblin merchant instead. It may not be fun for you but a lot of players appreciate knowing what they'll get before hand.

[plush haven]

yea no thanks

[thorny shard]

Yeah it's tough to claimwhat most players want without asking

[plush haven]

thats like saying its fun to open a birthday present thats wrapped knowing what it is before you open it

[grave nebula]

i get that but i think if you dont get the rolls you want, it should probably sell for a good amount in trade at least

[thorny shard]

true!

[plush haven]

before we got new crafting the cobalt and ruby armors didnt show what stats you where gonna get

[bleak dagger]

i agree. but patch 1 didnt feel good. the middleground would be awesome.

[strange badger]

They could balance it based on a straight up percent value between heavier/slower hitting weapons. For example, if most 2-handers get around a .6 or .9 damage increase from max rolled %damage increase modifiers, but only .3 to .45 from flat damage modifiers, they'll prefer the % damage increase. Whereas the faster attacking weapons weapons would have a bigger % increase from modifiers than slower weapons from their preferred damage increase modifier, but not by a lot; perhaps they'd have around a .2 to .3 damage increase with top percent modifiers but a .3 to .45 damage increase with flat.

This wouldn't be hard to do the math on, and would be based on the potential theory that faster weapons need a little more scaling than big-hitting weapons, which may or may not be the case.

As things are now, flat damage isn't well balanced with % values, and everything wants flat values which makes things scale pretty much the same regardless of attack speed, naturally fast weapons have hugely preferrential treatment which is bad.

[solemn needle]

Please fix the mace reach - is outrageously large

[stuck perch]

If you can't have +weapon damage on all your gear it could also keep things reasonable. Maybe just on weapons and jewelry?

[plush haven]

can we get this upvoted please
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471284/rotate-items

[plush haven]

i think stat sppecifics for certain items sound like it could be a good thing

[stuck perch]

Just don't lock that in too tightly, I don't want every item rolling exactly and only what I want.

[strange badger]

Basically most modifiers would still be on everything, but a few select, highly valued modifiers are specifically found on some things.

[plush haven]

yea it should be more focused or a higher chance to have a stat thats actually useful on said item like i dont want spell capacity on a mace because im pretty sure it only works if its in hand could be wrong tho

[strange badger]

I personally think they need to remove rolls that have absolutely no use from class-specific items. Like, you can find increased cast speed and spell memory modifiers on fighter, ranger, barbarian, or rogue exclusive gear that has absolutely no use for them.

[plush haven]

yea spell cap on barbuta helm is so dumb

[visual umbra]

I wish you were on the Dev team

[calm roost]

plate boots should be more armored then the heavy boots i feel like they just forgot to update them with the latest armor patch

[stuck perch]

You're right, but I'm hoping clerics get a holy symbol off-hand casting implement that they can use like wizards and warlocks use orbs. Then from there those casting stats on a mace will have a reason to be. Holy symbol could be shared with the Paladin class when it comes out.

[strange badger]

Knowledge does something for these classes: at least they can use shrines faster, absolutely garbage stat for them but at least it does something, but modifiers that do absolutely nothing for them are basically null text. Might as well replace the text with ERR://23¤Y%/ to say it does nothing.

[proper dagger]

alr time for the REAL HOT TAKES!!! make ladders harder to climb again. Learning how to do it well and consistently should give you an advantage against people who just spam W and jump

[plush haven]

that would be cool

[proper dagger]

real hot take here! let me log into the game instead of saying "Server error. please try again." why tf was I even logged out of my account

[woeful elm]

just curious, the spear of rot's extra perk is that it has +1 true physical damage. can I get some opinions on whether the effort to craft the spear is worth that extra perk?

[strong grotto]

No, I am asking for actual fighting chance in PvP in damn NORMAL game mode! Tell me, please, how is it going to change the core loop if you will not be allowed to take your equipment in NORMALS? It will NOT CHANGE A THING. It will be filled with PvP. On EQUAL term this time. It will be there to find the loot, the same loot you can sell or to gather and equip later, in the HR now. You know, the place that was SUPPOSED to be for those who already got their enchanted weapons and armor. HR was supposed the place you go, when you do that. NOT NORMALS, where people with no gear just TRY TO EARN IT, but constantly rolled over by lobsters and caped sweatlords. So HOW and WHY are you so afraid of actually having to fight PvP on equal conditions? Or you simply can't afford it for your actuall skill to show itself, when you are not wearing top BiS equipment to stomp on defaults, hmmmmm???

[proper dagger]

pick a number 1-20

[atomic yacht]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497345/new-wizard-perks wizard perk ideas please give me feedback on if they're good or not!

[woeful elm]

10

[proper dagger]

wrong :(

[plush haven]

10

[humble ferry]

That’s an extreme reaction to a problem that has much simpler, and better for all solutions such as this one:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/496102/high-roller-and-trading-suggestions-entry-fee-dungeon-merchants-grand-exchange

[woeful elm]

higher or lower?

[proper dagger]

higher

[woeful elm]

18

[proper dagger]

lower

[woeful elm]

15

[proper dagger]

higher

[woeful elm]

16

[proper dagger]

wrong again it was 17

[stuck perch]

What does it change? It punishes players who find a sweet item that they'd like to bring back in but then they can't because they can't afford HR nor can they compete with lobsters and other highly geared players. This also means that it become really easy to farm gold and gear in normals because there's little to no threat of encountering players with more than a minor gear advantage.

[proper dagger]

most productive discussion had in #suggestion-discussion

[strong grotto]

Doesn't solve a thing.

[woeful elm]

is this related to the spear of rot?

[proper dagger]

not at all

[strong grotto]

Oh, so they can't compete against people with "sweet items" so they should be allowed to stomp on those who didn't? Pinnacle of logic.

[proper dagger]

dont even argue with this dude hes a boardline troll. he blocked me because I made a point he didnt like.

[woeful elm]

fair enough. any thoughts on these craftable legendaries?

[stuck perch]

No, you shouldn't create something that will get in the way of the main loop of the game, that is join a match, loot survive and extract, and bring good items back to give you a better chance at success the next time around.

[proper dagger]

really dope! adds more to the game besides the regular gameplay loop.

[rigid prawn]

I think your making assumptions on the devs intentions for the game. At no point have they stated that gear is not for normals, and your ignoring the massive pve difficulty jump that HR has as well. The reality is that people can have purples and not be good enough to tackle HR. Just cause YOU can’t compete with geared players doesn’t mean that others can’t. We all start with the same situation, if you can’t succeed while others are what does that say about you? Geared players are environmental hazards if your running around in greys. You don’t have to pick fights and you don’t have to engage on these players. There will be times where you can’t avoid them and you will die and that’s the kicks but I’ve survived many situations in that position as well. Give yourself time to build up some gear while focusing on extractions instead of mindlessly pursuing pvp and you’ll have better success. This isn’t call of duty

[humble ferry]

Sure it does, incentives high roller for geared players significantly more than it is currently incentivized…
If you force people to play the game YOU want, they will quit. If you create options for people to play the way THEY want, the game will grow and prosper.

Just because you can’t fight someone in blues doesn’t mean all of us can’t, it also doesn’t mean most of us don’t want people with gear to fight in a normal dungeon - it makes pvp so much more worth it

[dense sand]

gearchecks are bad lol, gear crutching to win fights is bad design, the war of the one shot is not good, fun or healthy pvp

[visual umbra]

This guy knows

[humble ferry]

Which was one of the great things about the last patch, a good fight now is usually a minimum of 5 hits to kill a player even with a modest weapon. The balance of armour being stronger and weapons weaker made pvp so much better. Gear is a part of the game, we should just focus on steering geared people into harder environments with greater rewards, simple.

[dense sand]

a vocal minority in here wants to pretend that grinding for god rolls on gear to one shot lobbies is a healthy sustainable gameplay loop, it is not

[abstract swallow]

It sounds like both sides of this argument need to take the durability pill.

[strong grotto]

SO HOW IS MY PROPOSAL DISRUPTS IT??? IT DOESN'T!!! You JOIN THE MATCH. You loot the gear and equip it in to help you survive. You extract, you place a gear in your stash to save it for HR, you go again! The only thing that changes, is there is no gear gap, because ALL START AS DEFAULT SET!

[humble ferry]

Nobody is saying you should be able to one shot, it’s just not balancing the game to make naked only lobbies that’s literally just making the game less loot filled and more boring because now every fight is just naked v naked

[unkempt nebula]

I think that for the Slayer perk on fighters to be viable and used more, it should apply to two-handed weapons like the longsword and halberd. You're losing a lot by sacrificing plate armor, having two-handed weapons not be an option makes the whole perk borderline unusable.

[glacial moon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497241/rogue-thief

[crisp tapir]

Can we get a trade discussion for like prices of items that we agree on among other things

[humble ferry]

I love going in to a lobby naked and seeing buddy in all his greens, I now have a target I want to hunt. I’m not sitting there like oh boy I have to avoid that guy unless it’s a trio of caped crusaders with purples and above, but why would they bring that into high roller right now when it’s going to cost them 50 gold and they might just get a lobby full of nakeds just like the base lobbies anyway?

[strong grotto]

Yeah. It is MY problem that barbarian in blues and purples with 161 HP two-shots me with an axe, while being able to tank 5+ hits and lose only 60 HP out of those 161. And the best part? He instantly heals 16 of those, takes my trinkets and leaves. And then goes in again to disrupt another default geared player's game. What a FUN experience to be forced into unwinnable situation and be told it is my fault! Brilliant!

[unkempt nebula]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497349/allow-slayer-to-use-twohanded-weapons

[strong grotto]

it gives incentive, I give you that, but it doesn't changes their ability to just go in normals to disrupt games of the unlucky players.

[stuck perch]

It disrupts the "you bring the gear you found back into the next match" if this was a thing you wouldn't keep 90% of your gear because it wouldn't be worth the stash inventory space. Such a setup is better balanced towards a straight pvp focused game which this is not.

[rigid prawn]

So many factors in this, what class are you playing? Barb is slow af, did you try to get away? why are you expecting different results if your reading with the heaviest hitting class in the game? This sounds like a you problem dude

[dense sand]

super constructive

[humble ferry]

Which it shouldn’t, I don’t want to HAVE to go in high roller just because my gear isn’t white, I may not have the skill for that lobby regardless of my gear and perhaps for me better gear is just a way of levelling the playing field (playing devils advocate) . Forcing things is not good for the community, creating incentives for play styles to change is!

[strong grotto]

No, it doesn't. You want to bring that gear? Go in HR, where people on the same footing, with gear like you are fighting each other! I am NOT willing to be a beat boy for those low on their exteem so much, that they need to steamroll someone who can't even fight back even if he wanted to!

[stuck perch]

This may be a him problem but we should discuss things he could do to improve his skill as opposed to telling him, "get better".

[floral remnant]

I’ve loaded in default and stole someone full kit of rings, pendants, cape and gear so many time. What’s the point of loading in over and over only fighting other naked people to maybe get one green or blue item every game. 90% of games I load in naked looking to get that third party kill on the kitted players. Not every fight is worth taking. Some times it’s better to run. There are classes that are always better against other classes, this is unavoidable.

[stuck perch]

Just because I want to bring a sweet pair of green gloves I found back into the match does not make me equipped to do HR.

[humble ferry]

Again bro, extreme reaction to the problem I’m just saying. You’re literally forcing gear to be the deciding factor of where and how I play, that’s not the intention of the game and would piss off way more people than it would appeal to

[floral remnant]

Someone finds a green weapon but can never use it unless he loads into a game of high roller? One of the worst ideas I’ve ever read on here.

[zenith gulch]

Make green items be as strong as +1 , blues 2, purples +3
Why there green items with +3 weapon damage and +5 physical power.
Remove rapier from rogues

[humble ferry]

This, 100% this. I could be full greens and still die to a decent pvper, gear is not end all be all and the balance changes they’ve made have given good fighters a much better chance in pvp due to it being much harder to get yourself geared enough to one hit or two hit in a fight now

[humble ferry]

Remove rapier from rogues? Why? Lmfao

[stuck perch]

Gear is not the deciding factor, it offers an advantage but nothing more especially since the weapon damage normalization nerf. If you're looking against him there are many other advantages you should be considering as opposed to just charging towards him trying to dodge his hits while holding m1.

[zenith gulch]

Cause it's stupidly strong with stack of +3 weapon gear

[stuck perch]

+3 weapon gear is the problem not the rapier.

[humble ferry]

It’s literally the only modestly decent weapon they can use and an arming sword is still stronger, if you die to rogues still dude - skill issue

[strong grotto]

Forcing the RULES of the game in the game is the way to go. If there is no rules, or those rules don't even care about the majority on the bottom of the pyramid - THEY LEAVE. And that minority of self stroking "chads" will be left to deck it out between themselves, then suddenly realised they are not so good at the game, when field is equal and leave too. And after that, the even smaller minority of actually good players are left in the empty servers shouting to the high heavens why no one plays their "perfect" game!

And if you think I am just making it all up - go and check the fate of EVERY hard-core full loot PvP RPG that was ever created and how high, if any, online is in those games NOW. If you don't level up the playing field and don't give a players on the bottom of the pyramid something to cling on - you LOSE THE AUDITORY.

[rigid prawn]

Fair point, I think I did though, he shouldnt be trying to trade hits point blank with a barb, even in defaults. There’s too many factors to dissect what he did specifically wrong but being able to recognize juice and understand that your chances are slim is probably the best advice I can give him in that situation

[daring trail]

Why cant we have a middle-ground patch lol

Like, make weapon damage and damage stats available on armor, but instead of +3 - +5, just +1 or maybe +2 on purple+? i thought we wanted to slow game down lol

[humble ferry]

You’re talking about modifying a rule to make it friendlier to a small percentage of the population who don’t like having to fight semi geared players, that is genuinely a game killing suggestion and the fact that you don’t realize that tells me you should stick to easy games like tower defence or something

[strong grotto]

Becaus devs are, apparently, smoking something. And when people asked to remove the gear gap and leave only enchantments, they instead LOWERED the gear gap and made the enchantment broken OP.

[humble ferry]

There are so many ways as a grey player to get ahead right now, if you move players with ANY gear into high roller forcefully you are making it harder to snowball as a half decent grey player who started a couple days later than anyone else, now I need to run 3x the amount of matches to get half the gear because nobody is bringing jack shit in except the crap I’m getting from chests

[strong grotto]

No, I ask for a MAJORITY of players to be able to compete on an equal playing grounds instead of constantly fighting up-hill battles against those, whose single purpuse in life is in kicking them even further down.

[humble ferry]

No you’re not and the fact that you think you are makes me think you don’t even play the game

You sound like someone who is mad cause bad and wants to force your extreme suggestions on the rest of us who can actually pvp in greys

[strong grotto]

Yes. I am bad, because am constantly rolled over by those, who I can't even scratch if I wanted, with all their purples in the normals, while wearing a damn default set.

[humble ferry]

Are we playing the same game? I’ve watched countless streamers play permadeath from level one, if they can get to level 20 without dying how can you not extract a few times and level up your own gear? Never been in one lobby that is 14/15 people sweat lording, maybe 3-6 and if you can’t avoid them that round oh well, better luck next time.

If you want to change it, give people their own reason to take their gear somewhere else, simple.

[woeful elm]

If bard got an ability like Vicious Mockery, what should the ability do?

[rigid prawn]

Your losing the fight before it even started. Confidence dude, they have so much more to lose than you. Change your mentality

[solemn stratus]

no no it makes the gear dap even bigger 2+all 5+damage and reduced the damage of weapons thought they did grate with the last update but there fucking smoking somthing with that patch

[hoary notch]

Suggestion: don't watch Mendo on Twitch for advice about balancing the game.

[atomic yacht]

New wizard spell and perk ideas! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497356/new-wizard-spells#comment558092 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497345/new-wizard-perks

[dense sand]

this

[broken wasp]

This

[rigid prawn]

I’m assure you they are taking in the data they get from the game just as much if not more than taking advice from the community. Let them cook

[hoary notch]

I am letting them cook bro and I am allergic

[bleak dagger]

we are in the +all and weapondmg stacking meta again. Very divers, very much fun.

[hoary notch]

Like I love this game to bits. I absolutely support ironmace and their development of the game, however. We JUST wiped all legacy gear from the game... just balanced everything... and now, we just undid ALL of that

[daring trail]

what matches are you getting into? all the "normal" crypts i ran last night, a minimum of 3 teams all sporting capes and jewelry/full kits.

literally impossible for a gray kit to combat that. Youll have more luck building up from chests

[bleak dagger]

that bro is just coping.

[zenith gulch]

If you think that rogues are weak now with good gear you are delussional

[humble ferry]

I played 5 rounds this morning and decimated 3 decent rogues as a pretty base gear fighter, they had rapiers, it wasn’t hard

[solemn stratus]

yeah gg this patch made it worse then it was before

[zenith gulch]

I bet you killed 3 nakeds and you proud about

[hoary notch]

Dude a barbarian 2 tapped a full rubysilver cleric with a green felling axe today. Do you guys think that is balanced?

[humble ferry]

They had rapiers, by your logic I should have lost, but I didn’t did I?

[hoary notch]

Guys stop arguing it's the suggestion discussion. Go into #off-topic-archive

[chilly estuary]

anyone else feel like lifedrain needs a better hitbox sometimes i can be right infront of something and itll still fail to hit

[bleak dagger]

damage scaling is out of control right now thanks to +weapondmg and +all

[humble ferry]

Arguements are discussing suggestions, relax Karen

[solemn stratus]

oo he was meta before update and patch and both made him stronger

[violet cradle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/495708/lantern-cancel-outminimizes-dark-swarm-damage

[bleak dagger]

isnt a discussion for arguing????

[hoary notch]

devs will never get to read any of this if we have two children arguing.

[humble ferry]

This isn’t what the devs read anyways, they only read the website suggestions

[hoary notch]

They do read this.

[humble ferry]

This is literally the exact place for arguing and promoting your suggestions, go to bed dude

[hoary notch]

However, people like you tend to flood it with stupid bs, so it makes it a lot more difficult.

[humble ferry]

How many suggestions have you posted since? Sorry I see three #off-topic-archive messages from you now

[hoary notch]

But your name checks out, so I'm gonna stop entertaining your child-brain

[bleak dagger]

you are currently flooding it with unnecessary bs... like you need to whiteknight this channel.

[humble ferry]

Good riddance 🙂 now back to discussing suggestions

[hoary notch]

Buddy is going around talking about how he's 'decimating rogues' yeah that's suggestion discussion 🧐🙄

[rigid prawn]

[silent crag]

is there many people suffering sever rubber banding?

[zenith oyster]

next time you decide to remove +all stats and wpn dmg from the game make sure to let us play with it longer then 48 hours on broken servers with roll back issues before reverting it hell. thanks.

[hoary notch]

This

[silent crag]

ive only got 20mbps internet to be fair but had no issues with other games like tarkov, CoH3 etc

[hoary notch]

and don't watch Mendo on Twitch for suggestions on balance LOL cough sdf cough

[indigo bane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

[strange badger]

I actually prefer rapier on my fighter over the arming sword, and on fighter rapier has -10% damage because that's how the weapon master perk works 😐

Rapier has a longer reach especially on the first attack. After you block a single attack you can get a really fast attack out with shield master, but sometimes they range you just right so that they hit your shield and you can't punish them with fast attack with the arming sword, doesn't happen with the rapier though.

Rapier has a much faster attack which makes it able to punish some heavy, high-impact weapons that land on your shield and stagger you where arming sword can't punish them.

Rapier's stab first attack makes it really easy to get around the long sword parries.

Rapier also has no sour spot, if you manage to get right up in the enemy's face and hold w so they can't make distance back pedaling, you often reduce them to around 70% of their damage (unfortunately the additional physical /magical /weapon damage modifiers don't get reduced by impact zones though so this is a somewhat null point).

[hoary notch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/470745/spectate-as-a-rat

[candid forge]

+flat damage modifiers shouldn't exist. they disproportionately benefit weapons with low damage per hit vs. high damage per hit.

[silent crag]

@candid forge i agree in some ways, im concerned the game will end up like tarkov where its to convoluted with hundreds of different things that the game loses meaning

[vocal wharf]

Ehy Ironmace, here the best marketing Idea of the century.

Sell gadget of the game. i will buy for 30 euro the drum of the bard, im prettu sure.

[silent crag]

everyone LOVED the playtests, and now theres too many different stats and items combinations that the majority of things you find arent usable

[humble ferry]

That comes down to swing patterns, it’s not that rapiers are inherently overpowered just because you prefer it to an arming sword. You’re talking about people being skilled at using a certain weapon, that doesn’t mean the weapon is unable to be countered by someone equally as good with another weapon?

[humble ferry]

This guy is literally the biggest complainer. I was responding to a suggestion, and discussing the fact that rapiers are not just a weapon that instantly wins you a fight, get over yourself ya big baby.

[hoary notch]

Yeah the stuff you're talking about still ain't suggestion discussion fyi ☺️

[cold dagger]

Ngl i think wiz should get more spells and i think there should be more weapons in general

[silent crag]

SP Clenged, about the swing patterns and damage. ive noticed sometimes if i used a 31dmg falchion for example and i 3shot a goblin, if i use a 31 damage flanged mace its 4shot for goblin assuming all in the head

[acoustic sage]

suffering from rubberbanding since the dawn of time with DaD
shame IM cant get their shit together and fix it

[hoary notch]

I sent ya a message

[cold dagger]

Thats your ping man

[acoustic sage]

nope
no issues on anything else plus I have good internet its just their servers

[silent crag]

is it due to the armour modifiers, i think that maybe its that because of the 15% ignored armour, and 0 armour results in +22% damage taken that the goblins take less damage as a result?

[bleak dagger]

its not. almost everyobe has these issues.

[humble ferry]

Please show me on the doll where you made your suggestion. And then show me on the doll where my discussing his suggestion about removing rapiers from rogues hurt you?

[hoary notch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497344/ruins-final-circle-portal

Add one more portal to ruins final circle ⁉️

[humble ferry]

Just kill more people, problem solved, mad cause bad

[cold dagger]

No not really

[chilly estuary]

buff life drain hitbox its so bad xD

[ornate solstice]

These zones move sooo fast, we could use some more time in raid imo

[humble ferry]

I agree with that since they made the end zone more randomized I think there should be a minimum of 2 mins before the circle really starts to close on you so you can at least hit that room on the outskirts that you started in and get some loot

[hoary notch]

@ornate solstice especially in new Goblin caves, map got bigger but storm moves same speed.

[granite plinth]

Yo lets make the merchant TAB not scrollable, and instead shrink down the size of each merchant page or something? so they can all fit y'know? leave a setting somewhere or something,

[strange badger]

At the very least increase the scroll speed, it's painfully slow!

But yeah just fit em all in without us having to scroll.

[strange badger]

But yeah, rogues need rapier I'm with you there.

[proper field]

Goblin town needs to be looked into. Very laggy for some reason

[humble ferry]

Yea man they got nerfed back to modesty recently, the last thing they need is the class killed by the only semi ranged weapon they can use removed from them

[rigid prawn]

Artificially splitting the playerbase is bad especially since they will naturally split it by adding more maps / content. We will be looking at Tarkov wait times in no time

[gaunt hornet]

true. the 1-15 lobby split is my least like part about this game. So many people just get to 15, use their character as a second stash, and just remake a new one.

[rigid prawn]

The 1-15 split is also a bad idea and allows targeting these people easier for higher skilled stompers. Both ideas are long term bad for the game. What we need is more fleshed out content to bridge the gap between Hr and LR so people have something to do besides stomp crypts if they aren’t confident enough for Hr

[gaunt hornet]

most of the complaints in chat are from overgeared players stomping lobbies. If people chose to be in that situation by choosing normal mode, they wouldn't be able to complain.

[meager cloak]

I'd agree with this as someone who complains about this. If I could choose, I'd have some characters easy mode and some normal mode. I feel like i'd be happy with that because it's my choice and the chads would be happy because they get all their "rewarding" gear

[rigid prawn]

I seriously think this is a temp fix for the short term. As a higher skilled player you can get purps by level 5, and spend 10 levels stomping the very people they are trying to protect. The system is flawed at its core. The game is a niche game like Tarkov, I don’t think the devs goal is cod level player count, people who don’t jive with the game don’t have to play it. Gotta stay true to the vision

[meager cloak]

Yeah I feel like people (myself included) complained and wanted 1-15 lobbies, then when they came we realized we were still getting stomped by chads in great gear. I'd like to outplay people of the same level and lose because I was outplayed, not because of gear. So choosing that myself when I make my character would seem to be best of both worlds

[narrow snow]

Make it so mobs dont rubber band. Revert dagger nerf for low tier daggers

[chilly estuary]

ngl barb needs a slight nerf

[gaunt hornet]

Well we don't know this for sure either way. What we do know is that chat asked for this and it was a highly ranked suggestion, and that it's bad for devs to build a game people don't want to play. I also don't think it lowers the player base at all.. it just creates a subset of the game for people who, in your words, "don't have to play it" in the true to the vision way

[rigid prawn]

There’s other ways to do this than splitting the playerbase. Tutorials or offline raids like Tarkov has. As a realignment player think about the effect that idea would have on Tarkov. You said it yourself 8-10 min waiting times, if the split is 50/50 that means the wait time is relatively doubled. The devs had made it clear they want to add as many maps as the can, won’t be long till we see the wait times spike in dnd as well

[meager cloak]

@rigid prawn

[flat bobcat]

The game is in a very bad place and not because of content or updates. Everyone exploits every lil thing, its a nightmare to try and enjoy any type of gameplay because people are non stop exploiting and griefing and ruining the game. From people teaming up and ruining the game for others to smrufing accounts to boost low level character lobbies with full purple gear,capes rings literally sub level 15 and running end game gear. Its ruining the game. The toxic and down right evil things the community of players say in voip. And this has all happened to me in the last hour. But its been happening more and more and now its every day all day There has to be better answers. There has to be a way to do more and uphold some kind of integrity with the game.

[rigid prawn]

This mentality is why Tarkov is still not close to the imagined vision of an open world multiplayer stalker game that it was pitched as. You have to understand that your going to push away players regardless of the decisions you make, catering to the masses is how we get soulless games like fortnite and cod

[gaunt hornet]

I'd disagree. It's not close because BSG is a sham of a company

[meager cloak]

and not catering means you have no game because you don't have money to pay for servers. BALANCE is key and having players choose their own adventure, be it easy training mode or rewarding/risky normal mode seems balanced to me

[rigid prawn]

They’ve made a lot of mistakes, the biggest one by far being the catering to the current playerbase that wants the game as is. Extraction shooters were spawned from Tarkov and they ran with the idea but the system was always intended as a placeholder system. They’ve doubled down so hard that at this point I don’t know if we will ever see the touched idea come to fruition. Haven’t touched the game since they added labs

[gaunt hornet]

I don't think bsg caters to the playerbase. How long have they done nothing about cheaters and how long has the playerbase complained? They're releasing arena, something almost nobody asked for or wants, and leaving bugs all over the place

[meager cloak]

I think this is one of the best suggestions so far

[humble ferry]

Not a fan at all, give people the option to play the game however they choose, just make high roller lobbies more appealing for those who are currently decimating the normal lobbies because they aren’t incentivized to risk their loot and pay more to do so for very little difference in reward vs a normal lobby

[gaunt hornet]

You haven't played in 5 years.

[gaunt hornet]

yeah, there's a choice to play how they choose. If high roller lobbies were more appealing, players would go in, get more appealing gear, and go back to stomping normal lobbies. Hunting down players is one of my favorite parts of this game. I have a 3 stack bard barb ranger and all we do is go back into normal lobbies and crush because.... shocker.. it's amazing and fun. if we had better gear it'd be even easier and more fun steamrolling lobbies. Nothing will stop geared players from enjoying the slaughter of normal lobbies

[humble ferry]

This I agree with, and although I’m biased my suggestion is still in my opinion the best way to start incentivizing high roller lobbies, check it out:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/496102/high-roller-and-trading-suggestions-entry-fee-dungeon-merchants-grand-exchange

[onyx trellis]

Loving the new updates, Goblin cave changes, merchant changes.

[rigid prawn]

The problem is players don’t know what they want. We can have 1 person in here complaining how fight her is the weakest class in the game and then an hour later there’s someone saying the opposite. The devs have to have the balls to tell the complainers that their vision doesn’t support what they want. They will lose the people that backed the concept if they decide to throw the concept out the window. You don’t need 100k players to sustain your game, lots of game have way less players but still out out content to this day since they stuck true. It’s a design decision to have open lobbies. One major possibility with the pitched idea from @uncut current is that the player base will be unbalanced to the lower skill lobbies. We could see the Hr problem extend across the entire other half of the game as the split could be close to 80/20. It’s not a perfect idea in the slightest

[humble ferry]

That’s simply not true, if more of the player based moved in to high roller and was going in with better items for you to loot it would make steamrolling those lobbies FAR more rewarding and fun

[meager cloak]

or the player base balances the other way towards normal lobbies. You don't really give both sides, you just assumed what would be best for your argument

[gaunt hornet]

what do you mean it's not true? It's literally true for me and my squad.

[rigid prawn]

And I won’t I tilt he games actually open world and the extraction aspect take a backseat. I don’t know if it ever will hit that point but it’s not the game that was pitched to me all those years ago. Waste of $75

[gaunt hornet]

• go into normal lobbies, geared to the 9's, and hunt down players running away for easy gold that i'll use to buy great gear
• go into high roller and possibly lose my gear I paid a lot for.

I'll choose the first every time

[humble ferry]

Because there is no reason for you to believe there are as many people to roll in high roller, there isn’t better loot, there aren’t many things you won’t find in a normal lobby to separate the crowds more. Had more of the semi decent players been given a reason to go to HR, your group would have as much fun rolling those lobbies and you would be getting better loot for it.

[rigid prawn]

Using HR as an example what I said is more likely.

[humble ferry]

Exactly, the risk / reward balance isn’t making HR appealing, if it did your group would be in there decimating those players instead

[gaunt hornet]

I wouldn't get better loot, I'd get more loot.. and a lot of it useless and I'd still have to fight for it isntead of just take it super easy. Killing a squad in normal lobbies is easy and their inventories are full of treasure that I use to buy the gear I actually want

[meager cloak]

it's a total guess

[humble ferry]

If I came into a HR lobby with 300-500 gold because I wanted to buy a special item from a merchant that only exists in that dungeon, your group would have a MUCH larger incentive to come and hunt me down

And if expensive gear went towards paying the entry fees, people would see the benefit in using their hood gear to get into high roller lobbies

[rigid prawn]

Based on what we know it’s a calculated assumption. You claiming the opposite is equally true is actually the guess when the current HR problems are exactly what I’m describing would happen with his suggestion

[gaunt hornet]

No we wouldn't. That trader doesn't exist and even if it did, I'd have to come find and fight you instead of having fun steamrolling and hunting down teams I can 2 and 3v1 for 150-200 gold.

[humble ferry]

I know that trader doesn’t exist, hence my suggestion for it… https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/496102/high-roller-and-trading-suggestions-entry-fee-dungeon-merchants-grand-exchange

You’re gravely missing the point dude, like badly

[meager cloak]

What's calculated is that people like you started playing this game for the hardcore extraction looter it is. If that were a mode, it is likely that most people would use that mode. Calculated assumption.

[wind leaf]

With current trading they should do something like in Tarkov, where you can sell only "found in raid" items, so people don't buy from merchants and sell it then on the market for profit

[gaunt hornet]

I'm literally telling you what is fun to me and saying your suggestion isn't, and you're saying i'm missing the point...

[humble ferry]

If I can make 500 gold on an extract from HR, I’m going to pay the 50 gold or wear the good gear to reduce my entry fee so I know I have a chance to extract with 5X what I would in a normal lobby, it’s pretty simple maths bro

[gaunt hornet]

the POINT is that it is fun to roll lobbies and have 1v2 and 1v3's i can win. I love highlight clip type plays and can get them super easy rolling normal lobbies. If highroller had better stuff, I'd go there to get good gear MAYBE and then still come back to pubstomp normies because it's FUN.

[humble ferry]

Like if you’re just that boring that you want an easy game and even loot and dungeon merchants won’t incentivize you into a HR lobby you don’t matter anyway, you’re just a lame part of the game that the rest of us will seek more extreme ways to distance ourselves from this causing a shittier end result for you sweat lords in the end anyway

[meager cloak]

calling someone else boring because they enjoy playing the game differently is cringe

[rigid prawn]

Your assuming we are the majority. The reality is the casuals make up the majority of players. Are the devs wrong for not catering them and sticking true to their hardcore dungeon vision or is the casual community wrong for thinking they should be catered to? Like I said, flesh out the content so there’s more things to do after gearing and before HR and this will help the stomping issue

[humble ferry]

You will still be able to roll lobbies, you’ll just be doing so against more geared, more loot holding players so you WANT to do that as opposed to play an easy ass game that you run around one shooting everyone, like if an easy game is what you want keep playing your way it is what it is, the rest of us want diversity in the game

[chilly estuary]

no shot there are 2 cave trolls in gobbo caves now

[gaunt hornet]

yeah... so... if you chose easy mode and I chose normal mode, we'd never meet and everyone would be happy playing the version they like.

you will still be able to roll lobbies, you'll just be doing so against more geared more loot holding players
yeah.. I DON'T want to do that. I want to snowball to the point that I can roll normies and not lose my gear. The game allows me to do that right now so i will keep doing it

[humble ferry]

It’s not boring because it’s different, it’s boring because if legit you’re running into lobbies with unbeatable gear because you know other people won’t be geared you genuinely are a boring ass player, cringe if you want, I personally find it cringe to think playing a game on easy mode when you don’t need to is pretty cringe

[meager cloak]

What? Causals make up the majority of players in 100% of all games. You first started out saying casuals hsouldn't be catered to because it's not true to the vision and now you're saying they should, which is what was suggested

[humble ferry]

You are literally what 95% of the player base complains about and is coming up with extreme solutions to offset. So you’re either going to see a shift where people like you just can’t enter normal lobbies, or you’re going to need to find a reason to start going in to high roller without the devs blanket forcing you to because of a gear score or something. If there is no way to somewhat balance this, it will just cause fall outs of players and reduce the game to dust over something as simple as you wanting to play the game on easy mode and there being no other incentive provided by the game to have you take your gear elsewhere…

[rigid prawn]

No I’m asking what do you think the devs should do? Cater the casuals or make the game they want to make?

[gaunt hornet]

That 95 should practice more and complain less, what do you want me to say? Want me to have less fun so others can have more? No.

[humble ferry]

If I get gear, I take it to high roller because personally it’s way more fun and engaging to fight someone I’m not just one tapping because I’m risking more. E z mode = boring players simple.

[meager cloak]

Why not both. Make the game they want to make, and create lobbies split not on level, but on CHOICE. Everyone who is casual can choose casual. Everyone who wants +3 all snowball chance can do that

[rigid prawn]

Chances are that people would still get stomped and complain. There’s nothing stopping good players that want to stomp from playing in the casual mode.

[humble ferry]

I’m not trying to force you into either lobby, I’m trying to suggest things that will simply entice you to want to join a high roller lobby while still giving you the option to go in whatever fucking lobby you choose. Just because you and your boring friends will still roll normal lobbies in your gear, doesn’t mean most of the geared players will.

[rigid prawn]

In a perfect world your right, but it’s just creating an environment that will allow stompers to single out the casual community more effectively

[gaunt hornet]

hence the suggestion involving a CHOICE. so players like you (and the 95% you pulled out of your ass) will NEVER run into players like me that you complain about

[humble ferry]

Okay great, so keep doing that and watch how most of the player base responds - with extreme suggestions like forcing anyone with gear into HR lobbies, or making you pick HR or normal to begin with when making a character, or other extreme suggestions.

[meager cloak]

the suggestion creates an environment that prevents stompers from singling out the casual communities because if they chose casual, they'd be gear/snowball restricted, and if they chose hard mode they wouldn't even be in the same lobbies

[humble ferry]

I personally enjoy running into geared players, I’m not saying I’m the 95%. I’m a part of the % that wants gear in all lobbies, I just see it as beneficial to the entire player base to give people like you MORE reasons to want to go into high roller instead. I’d love to run HR steady but as of right now the rewards do not make it worth it hence there being so many groups that will run normal lobbies hella geared.

[gaunt hornet]

Why do I care how the player base responds? And what extreme suggestion? Nobody is forcing anything on anyone, it's literally a choice. Do you want high risk/reward and possibility to stomp / get stomped? Or do you want normal lobbies where people can't do that.

When i'm stomping normal lobbies and run into another team stomping normal lobbies its a fun "this is my turf and these are my noobs to kill" engagement and I like that.

[rigid prawn]

The issue is gear disparity isn’t the main issue here, it’s people that are bad vs people that are good. It’s easy to play the blame game when the guy in purple kills you but better players look at that guy very differently, a loot balloon

[humble ferry]

How long do you want to wait 6 months from now to enter a lobby? You think people losing interest because they can’t snowball because people like you constantly keep their head below water is good for a game or a growing player base?

[meager cloak]

yeah and people that are good are complainign in chat that IM keeps kneecaping them

And people that are bad keep complaining that chads keep stomping us and it's not fun

so if we chose our own adventure. I think it would split down the middle.. but because it's character based, you can just swap characters and play the other mode

[gaunt hornet]

lobbies split 1-15 and 15+ and that changed the lobby time by 0 seconds. You are exaggerating like crazy to make a point and that means the point you're trying to make doesn't stand on its own

[gaunt hornet]

players like me stomp normal lobbies because it's fun. People complaining isn't going to stop us. You would need to force us out

[humble ferry]

That’s not true, I never used to wait until below 2:00 to have a full lobby, when the 1-15 lobbies hit I found my wait time tripled. You’re also talking about something people are still putting up with due to the fact things are changing and it’s early development, if wipe after wipe people can’t progress they’ll fall off. The player base isn’t massive yet, and it could use some way of making it modestly more forgiving for the players that aren’t at our level yet, and I for one think simply keeping everyone’s options OPEN but incentives for high roller to be more appealing to the chad lobby rollers is a very simple and effective way to make literally EVERYONE happy, without completely reducing your ability to lobby roll when you would like to

[undone pelican]

Some people need to find a way to uplift themselves, I can respect you're honest about it lol

[gaunt hornet]

so remove 1-15 lobbies and introduce the exact same thing but instead of 1-15, it's casual vs non-casual. when i'm on US east i wait maybe 15 seconds. High roller incentives do one thing, allow me to get gear quicker for stomping normal lobbies

[rigid prawn]

Gear should crate a feeling of progression. Having better gear should allow you to tackle harder pve, this game is a pvpve game. If you are complains about getting stomped by purples then you don’t like the game at it’s core. It’s not for you. It’s not impossible to progress but it is if you don’t accept you could have done something Different in the situation that caused you to die. There’s people doing 1-20 without dying, it’s totally possible to succeed, you gotta spend less time complaining about the game and gearing up yourself

It’s the same energy as people asking for easy mode in dark souls lol

[gaunt hornet]

When you play cod and see a squad running in the open and know they're bad, you go for the kills because that's the fun action. Same thing here. I work for my snowball loot, I play patient and disengage when I can't win... and then I unleash and have a blast with friends stomping normies. Idk why people don't see how that is fun

[humble ferry]

I’ve had lobbies start without full pop, I’m in US East as well so 15 second wait time is smoke you’re blowing out your ass unless peak hours. It does more than just allow you to gear up quicker, if I know I can get 5x further ahead in the same time I personally would consistently be in HR lobbies and wouldn’t even step foot in a normal one just because I can stomp there, and it’s a very small percentage of people who are stuck in the mentality that they will

[rough rivet]

Revert patch to day 1 of season these balance changes are stupid and bring rogues back down to their original nerf

[meager cloak]

If you are complains about getting stomped by purples then you don’t like the game at it’s core
and you said earlier this would be 80% of the players.

I think it's more like 50%.
I think if you asked people: hey would you like to play casual lobbies where gear differential and stats are limited, or would you like no restrictions, people would play what they like... but more importantly... if you die in your version, you don't have as much to complain about because you chose it

[humble ferry]

I’m sure it’s fun for a bit but honestly no competition makes games boring for a good amount of people, maybe not you and your friends, but a significant amount of people

[gaunt hornet]

unless it's peak hours
yeah... when i'm off work it's peak hours.

[undone pelican]

Pub stomping can be fun, I'm not saying it isn't. The best moments I've had in this game is when my friends and I have murdered entire lobbies. But that got old very quickly, the game is too easy with turbo gear in low lobbies. No threat, no excitement, just one taps.

[gaunt hornet]

a significant amount of people
you keep using other people to make your point. Just make YOUR point and leave assumptions of what others want out of it because it's just nonsense to assume

[humble ferry]

You can already choose a non-casual mode

[humble ferry]

It’s not like I’m talking out of my ass, I’ve talked to a lot of people and a lot of people in this channel have had different sentiments than the 3 of you that are currently chatting have

[gaunt hornet]

I've talked to a lot of people
so have I. and I'd say most people agree with me. You'd say they agree with you. so it does nothing but "blow smoke" everywhere. jsut talk about you

[humble ferry]

I’m not complaining that you can go in to a normal lobby with gear dude, I’m saying that a lot of people ARE and the reality is, player feedback will influence the decisions of the devs and it won’t just be to cater to the few sweats that only get enjoyment from pummeling people because their gear is better, it will be to cater to the greater enjoyment of the game

[rigid prawn]

Even at a 50/50 split, your assuming that the top 50 would play the “normal” mode instead of just stomping the casual lobbies. When there’s open lobbies you don’t know if the other guys in the lobby will be kitted or default. There will be games where you are the most kitted party in the game and others where you’re the defaults. It’s understanding that not every fight is a winnable one and choosing what’s more important to you, extraction and success or mindless pvp pushing. If it’s the later then you aren’t playing the game the devs are intending it to be. Like i said it’s like asking for an easy mode in dark souls, it defeats the purpose of the game lol

[meager cloak]

So lets recap:
Good players want no restrictions
Bad players want restrictions

Diving the player base may not be a good idea but it would be if it made players happier, even at the cost of a 1:30s load in time.

[humble ferry]

So unless you can come up with something that will pull people like you into high roller lobbies more regularly, the lower skill players will find ways to continuously kneecap you and balance their odds against you.

[rigid prawn]

With additional maps, try 10-20 minutes if Tarkov is anything to go off

[daring trail]

Nothing will change until gear is properly addressed, or some kind of GBMM is implemented.

I dont like the idea of GBMM, but i was late to both patches because of the time they put them out. and its almost impossible to get out of normal crypts lobbies. It is nothing but caped up geared boys right now lol.

[gaunt hornet]

you ahven't played in 5 years how would you know what tarkov even is to go off of

[vernal moss]

It’s fun for you at the expense of fun for the rest of the lobby

[meager cloak]

I'll take pulling times out of my ass for 300, alex

[rigid prawn]

Jimstr was the one that stated he played Tarkov recently and had to wait 8-10 min to get into a raid, splitting the player base you roughly double those times or worse if the stompers stay in casual lobbies

[gaunt hornet]

It's fun for me and my teammates, and other players who do the same thing.

Here's a thought exercise...

If it wasn't fun, would so many people be doing it that every 3rd message in gen chat is about it?

People are doing it because it's fun

[humble ferry]

If 3/15 people are having fun, that’s not a good balance for the future of the game

[vernal moss]

I’m just saying if a minority of the lobby is having fun at the expense of the others it is not healthy for player retention

[gaunt hornet]

and there's like 8 maps on tarkov. you still have no idea how fast loading would be. tarkov maps are HUGE compared to dnd. there's a hundred thigns that would change load times. You're just picking times that align with confirmation bias

[humble ferry]

Exactly

[daring trail]

This is true, anyone who denies this is lying 98% of the time

but @humble ferry is right lol

[rigid prawn]

You do realize that we are more the likely getting a new area within 2 months and the devs have stated they want to add as many maps as possible? Im just using foresight

[gaunt hornet]

dying isn't fun.. what else is new. If it was only fun to extract, this game would be dead.

[viral wharf]

give bard double jump

[humble ferry]

I’m not even suggesting anything that would stop you from having the ability to lobby roll and you’re arguing me like I’m Satan to you.

My suggestion is simple and the purpose is to give options but incentives for you to have other play styles to enjoy than just lobby rolling.

[gaunt hornet]

yeah and you're using assumptions to make up a 20 minute load in time. just acknowledge that and you might be able to realize why it's hard for me to converse with you. I'm not making any assumptions about anyting but you are

[humble ferry]

Disproportionately dying to sweat lords who have another place to play is especially not fun for a great majority of newer players, to ignore this and think just because you’re having fun the game is perfect is naive, narcissistic and not future thinking

[gaunt hornet]

right, so back to the original suggestion.
Instead of 1-15 and 15+ lobbies, when you create your character, choose your dungeons. Casual, something like last patch. Or normal/hardcore, something like this patch and the patch before last, with +3 attributes, high RNG, etc

[vernal moss]

Dude it’s not about dying lol, it’s about getting stomped into the dirt without a chance and not progressing. It’s the same reason why Smurfs are unhealthy for competitive games.

[gaunt hornet]

trying to force people into playing high roller is pointless. Shaming them does nothing, and all you're trying to do is protect yourself and others. Sounds like you would like to choose the casual mode

[vernal moss]

Ur fun seems to revolve around having a supply of “noobs” to slaughter but eventually they’ll just give up and not play

[rigid prawn]

I just stated where I made my guesstimating from lol, your attacking Jimstr reputability at this point not mine, but I’ll break it down for you. If Jimstr said recently he’s waiting to get into a Tarkov raid for 8-10 min and Tarkov is open lobbies, and also take into account that the devs want to add as many maps as they can, the we can reasonably assume that if we split the player base 50/50 that the times would roughly double, which means 16-20 min wait time to get into raid. You don’t have to agree with what I’m saying but I’m not making up numbers from nothing lol

[gaunt hornet]

you talk about tarkov but haven't played in 5 years so you have no idea how long wait times are and overestimated them earlier.
you talk about how adding maps would change dad times but related it to tarkov when tarkov maps are HUGE and have tons of objects and have memory likes like nobody's business.
You assumpe 80% of the player base wants this and 95% of people want that but you are just guessing.
That's why it's hard to have a conversation. I talk about what I like and that's it. You guys talk about imaginary people that happen to be on your side (shocker). I could say 70% of the playerbase hates all the whining babies and want a toddler lobby for them so they can stay quiet

[humble ferry]

I’m not trying to force anything, simply incentivize it. What do you fail to understand?

[gaunt hornet]

nothing. Incentivise all you want. I don't htink there's any problem with that. I'm just saying it's not going to stop me or the people in my gaming discord from using that gear in normal lobbies to have fun chasing down normies because it's fun

[humble ferry]

That is limiting me far more than most people want to be limited. Why? I can already choose and I can choose based on how geared I am and make an actual risk/reward assessment

[humble ferry]

No maybe not you, but you can’t deny that it would likely push others who are currently rolling lobbies because there’s no good reason to be in HR

[rigid prawn]

I’m sorry the concept of foresight is lost on you, but we’re going in circles at this point. I explained why I was saying what I was, choose to think about it what you will but this convo is pointless. Agree with me or disagree with me but attacking my reasoning because you can’t comprehend it is a dead end convo

[past oyster]

when we had 15 damage castillons, a headshot would deal around 21 damage, while the 18 damage castillon did 30 damage. adding 1 point of +weapon damage to ur dagger would mean u get +2 bonus damage to headshots. if we got 20% dagger mastery it would be op. the patch right now is fine keeping it at 17 damage. additionally, you get POWER BONUS when using dagger mastery. so you go from -17% physical power bonus to -%7, meaning that you dont need to reach 15 strength when using daggers to get 0% physical power bonus

[gaunt hornet]

Regardless of how good HR is, it will never.. never be as fun as chasing down a 3 man squad as they yell for their lives or surprise a 2 stack in ruins and watch them spam spells

[humble ferry]

That literally will provide zero incentive for me to make a high roller character just because now I’m permanently stuck there, you’re doing the opposite of helping the problem

[humble ferry]

Fun fact: you could do that in HR, and as much as you think that - agree to disagree, I personally find it so much more fun beating a group with better gear than me

[gaunt hornet]

I'm sorry the concpet of foresight is lost on you
literally sound like a meme of someone making fun of the average redditor.
You call it foresight, I call it assumptions. You are pulling numbers from your butt and making up things that might make sense

[gaunt hornet]

I could, but I won't. It puts more barriers in the way of chasing down normies

[rigid prawn]

Your reading comprehension need work dude, you do you though

[gaunt hornet]

https://www.tiktok.com/@theslappablejerk/video/7203170834846944554?lang=en this is you

[humble ferry]

That’s fine man I’m not trying to stop you from being able to bring your gear into a normal lobby, for my starter characters people like you are great for my personal snowball.

But a lot of us want more depth to the challenges we are currently able to undertake

[white solar]

naturally heal out of combat

[gaunt hornet]

I told you what I found fun.. my personal preference. You said I"m not getting the point. You've been trying to convince me it's more fun to do something else and I disagree. There's really no more to it than that. I currently get to lvl 15, use that character as a stash and then recreate a lvl 1 and start over stomping normals. On my 15+ accounts I get great gear and go into gc or ruins and 1v2 because it's fun til my squad gets on.

You say you want more challenges but when there's the challenge of surviving someone like me when you're in grey and green gear, that's TOO much challenge

[meager cloak]

sounds to me like people would love an option to remove people like @gaunt hornet from their games, aka a casual mode where she can't pub stomp. and if she joins casual mode, it will be harder for her to pub stomp because gear is limited to +1 all etc

[small furnace]

hahaha, who's idea was it to allow +5 phys and +5 wep damage on a single piece of gear? I take back everything I said about this being a decent patch, the gear disparity gap is bigger than ever.

[gaunt hornet]

^ point in case

[rigid prawn]

People like you are the exact reason why splitting the playerbase is a bad idea. You’ll just bypass the system they put in place to stomp anyway why even bother splitting it in the first place? Clueless

[gaunt hornet]

okay mr. reddit. The suggestion that was given literally makes it harder for me to do that and you are against it

[rigid prawn]

How is it harder? What’s stopping you from just staying in casual lobbies?

[humble ferry]

No I’m not telling you what you find fun, I’m just saying what you find fun and the fact that you don’t weight more risk or reward as an enticement doesn’t apply to everyone and although you don’t think enticement into high roller would fix anything, that is simply because of where you sit and your definition of fun from this game.

I also firmly believe that your play style, and the fact that you are stuck on it, is a cancer to this game and will inherently have the effect of ruining other peoples experience with the game, so we should look to find ways to make people like you enjoy doing what you do much less than you currently do, or we should find ways to make you enjoy HR more; simply put.

[meager cloak]

she sounsd like the exact reason splitting the player base is a good idea. You can't deny that there's a ton of pepole like her and it's proven by how much complaining people do about people like her. She can't be in every lobby at once so there's tons of them. She's just being honest

[rigid prawn]

I’ll ask you the same question, what’s stopping her from going into casual lobbies and doing the same exact thing?

[gaunt hornet]

If I go into the casual lobby, my gear isn't +3 all or +4 phys dmg. It's +1 all max. My gear gap is reduced dramatically making it harder to stomp

[meager cloak]

^

[rigid prawn]

Blaming gear when it’s actually an experience/skill difference is exactly the approach that’s causing you to thing this is a good idea lol

[gaunt hornet]

look at the people complaining.. people like @small furnace just a few messages above. They're not complaing that they're underskilled. They're complaining about gear.

[bleak dagger]

The worst part about this update is JackOLantern and candy. change my mind.

[rigid prawn]

Cause it’s easier to blame something else other than yourself. People 1-20 without dying, why can they do that if gear is such a problem?

[meager cloak]

my skill is higher, that won't change. but the effect of my skill and the penalties other players feel due to that gap is dramatically reduced when my skill gap is handicapped due to not being able to snowball and really go ham with +3 all attys

[small furnace]

Yeah, I can't deny that the opportunity to get up to 10 damage per piece of gear is just... beyond crazy. Rogue and Ranger are going to be broken and I hope to god they don't nerf the classes and instead nerf the gear.

[chilly estuary]

how do yall feel about the new goblin caves i feel its just annoying specially if you wanna troll farm

[bleak dagger]

but how does it come that you dont hsve gear in the first place if you are so superior in skillterms?

[gaunt hornet]

gear isn't a problem for good players. it's a problem for bad plaeyrs, hence why casual would be like last patch where gear is handicapped to +1 all and poor stats

[rigid prawn]

Yo now your getting it! Skill difference is the defining factor here!

[meager cloak]

i don't understand this, sorry

[gaunt hornet]

we've been on this same page the whole time and you're just now coming around to it. I'm already passed that

[formal forum]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497391/bows-swinging-precision-ranger-balance Ranger nerf suggestion

[rigid prawn]

Naw your complaint about the same thing without realizing it. I can stomp noobs in whites, it’s not a gear difference that’s causing that it’s my understanding of the game

[small furnace]

@rigid prawn Don't you see the current gear disparity gap is kind wack though? You can get up to 50 additional damage with a god kit, potentially even more if you roll phys power too.

Imagine a rogue with +50 damage per stab. It's not about whether I have gear or not, or how skilled someone is. I just... don't think the gear gap should be THIS high. I don't know why it was decided it needs to go up this much.

[rigid prawn]

Things are under constant observation by the devs, if this becomes a problem then they can squish things again. Gotta keep pursing the sweet spot

[gaunt hornet]

There is nothing in this game that can change my skill difference. What would help lower skilled players though is if I wasn't able to use my skill advantage to ALSO GAIN A GEAR ADVANTAGE BEYOND REASONABLE MEANS

[meager cloak]

[small furnace]

Yeah, but I hope that means they retroactively nerf items, because if not then this wipe is entirely screwed for having the gear ever exist in the first place. Let's not forget +3 all items persisted weeks beyond when it was removed.

[rigid prawn]

Part of learning the game is understanding which fights are worth taking. Getting stomped by juiced teams is the learning aid for this

[rigid prawn]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another wipe soon. The last one was only a partial wipe because of duping. They are trying to get data from us rn

[small furnace]

I don't want a casual mode no, I'm not a casual player. I'm not going to be someone that suffers from this update, I manage to get loads of gear and farm kits. I just think it is incredibly unhealthy to have such a high gear disparity. I thought we were trying to move in the other direction of making the gap smaller than it was.

[vernal moss]

It took like a day or 2 before reverting back to insane player power via gear lmao

Why did they not let it play out a bit longer idgi

[stuck perch]

The idea was to go with 15 damage castillons. It would take that 15 to 18 at the cost of a perk, which still requires getting insanely close to your target with little hope of dodging afterwards.

[rigid prawn]

I think they are trying to find a sweet spot where the gear disparity isn’t over bearing but there still gear progression. Making base gear default stats better and putting the focus on additional is a good step in the this direction imo

[visual umbra]

Here's what's gonna happen: In 6 months, all the players you snowball will have left, and you'll be singing a different tune

[rigid prawn]

The my got the data they needed per sdf. But not wiping levels allowed them to accelerate the understanding of balance across all states of the game faster

[small furnace]

They said they wanted to slow down the pace of the game and make people take longer to kill.

To that end they lowered the base damage of every weapon in the game... only for them to add the ability for you to get 10 base damage added to each piece of gear? I don't think it makes sense, and I don't think it's a step in the right direction that they claimed they wanted.

[vernal moss]

It just seems like they 180d and went the opposite direction for gear

[past oyster]

i see, but they would have to change the perk to be (daggers deal 20% more damage) rather than increasing physical power bonus by 20%. if it was 20% everyone would take it since it negates rogues strength being 8 (-17%) instead of 15 (0%)

[rigid prawn]

They also raised base gear PDR across the board which is still in effect. They are adjusting the dials like they said they would

[small furnace]

Going from 10% PDR to 20% PDR for most classes is not significant enough to deal with what they added. This doesn't feel like a step in the right direction, by my estimates time to kill will be WAY lower in this update. If that's what they wanted then sure, but I was under the impression they wanted combat to be slower.

[visual umbra]

We can leave the entire balance debate on 2 words: rampant incompetence

[vernal moss]

Changing gear values like this without changing already acquired gear is just whack, if they nerf the stats again then we have like 3 different patch states of gear power

[rigid prawn]

and if the devs agree with this sentiment they will tune it back down. This is what they meant by playing with the dials

[gaunt hornet]

I've been snowballing people since I started playing and they haven't left yet. They ain't gonna leave regardless beyond the few one offs

[small furnace]

And like I said, it kinda sucks that thsi wipe has been 'tainted' so early by legacy gear that might not ever get removed from the game. They have the ability to but I'm not sure if they're going to. You said there might be another wipe soon which is fair but it would suck to have to have another wipe so soon just to rebalance the game after they messed it up.

[rigid prawn]

That’s the nature of a game in active development. This is what you signed up for lol

[visual umbra]

At some point, enough is enough. Many haven't reached that point yet, but they will

[small furnace]

I mean sure they can wipe two times consecutively but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Of course I'm upset they made a decision that's gonna require a wipe if it goes wrong and I believe it probably will.

[gaunt hornet]

says you.

[rigid prawn]

You can not like the situation but it’s not the devs fault they are using us as QA, it’s what EA access is actually for lol

[visual umbra]

Have you witnessed trajectories of similar games? I have

[gaunt hornet]

no... i'm 27 and have never played a game before smh..

[vernal moss]

It’s annoying but I’d rather an early wipe than legacy gear plague

[small furnace]

I'm less bothered by wipes if they go the route of gear-only wipe and leave our levels alone to remove the grind of getting back to a high level, and I do agree better than legacy gear plague. Just would rather it not happen in the first place but it's too late now ofc.

[rigid prawn]

And I think the devs share that sentiment. They could be coming up with systems to help this like overwriting existing gear and such, this could be their intention for creating legacy gear this early in the wipe

[empty trench]

The warlock hydra spell is way to overpowerd

[vernal moss]

That sounds like a reach but possible I guess

[small furnace]

They have such systems in place though, we now know this it's been proven by torches and lanterns. They were able to retroactively change their stats.

[visual umbra]

Did they not just revert lantern stats?

[rigid prawn]

@goose it’s only in your stash, it could be an attempt at it yes but right now when you bring them in raid it’s still got ms on it. At least the traders can’t tell!

[rigid prawn]

I just like to come at things from the perspective that the devs know what they are doing. If your not the. Why do you have faith in the game in the first place lol

[gleaming gust]

They should make the characters hands a little smaller, the emotes are pretty offputting on female toons lmao. Minor nitpick but it weirds me out

[meager cloak]

you made the argument like 30 minutes ago they made a change that will kill the game and assumed without any evidence it will change

[visual umbra]

Who says I have faith?
I just find it fun when they do a good job

[vernal moss]

I honestly don’t know if I do lol

[rigid prawn]

The female barb scream still make ms me laugh lol

[small furnace]

It's hard to believe the devs fully know what they're doing given their track record of changes they made which kinda looks like they're throwing darts in the dark. Not to mention a majority of updates they make the timelines they give for the update have fallen through nearly every time which makes it look like they don't really know how long it's gonna take to do what they say they're gonna do.

Also I do agree the first time I heard the female barb scream I almost died to the barb player because I stopped what I was doing to laugh extremely hard.

[rigid prawn]

I never said it would kill the game i said it was a temp fix. I don’t think 15+ lobbies are here to stay is all, like nerfing rogue into the ground to temp fix landline rogues lol

[visual umbra]

I've been a developer for 6 years now. Estimating time for a task is hit and miss, always will be

[small furnace]

I am aware of that, I'm also part of a software development team as a software tester and have been for 7 years, almost 8 now.

[rigid prawn]

It’s easy to assume this since we’re viewing thing from a third party but their methods are fairly standard in development. By over nerfing or over tuning they can help amplify the problems or weakness of something to better understand what the exact issue is.

[meager cloak]

you said it would kill the game

[visual umbra]

Ok. IM has mostly been on time, with a few misses. If that qualifies for incompetence, no company I've worked for would ever get hired for a job

[visual umbra]

Mind you, I'm also in the "IM don't know what they're doing" camp. Just not due to delays

[rigid prawn]

Can you at me with a quote cause if that was the interpretation then it was misrepresented. I think splitting the playerbase would extend wait time to horrible standards but Tarkov still has a playerbase so it would probs survive lol

[vernal moss]

Yeah the time thing is whatever honestly people get way too unhinged over an ultimately small delay

[small furnace]

They haven't mostly been on time though. The play is supposed to be that you over-estimate the amount of time it takes so that if you're early it's a nice surprise but otherwise it won't be a let down.

The only reason that gets dicey is if you have stakeholders/investors involved which to be fair I don't know if they do, but it seems pretty unlikely given the Nexon lawsuit.

[rigid prawn]

Straight up if you dont have faith in the devs then your wasting your time discussing their game lol

[vernal moss]

Speaking of the lawsuit is the plan to bring it back to steam or

[placid summit]

add leaderboard back

[rigid prawn]

As a follower of Star Citizen, IM is doing amazing lol

[visual umbra]

Great play when you don't have to compete for clients. But you're right, IM has all the time in the world, no reason for them to over-promise

[small furnace]

I'm kind of relying on competition to force them to make better decisions. Before they were the only game of their kind and I had to play it no matter what, but now there are other games on the horizon with the same idea so I feel they kind of HAVE to make the right decisions otherwise they lose their playerbase.

It's baffling how many weird decisions they make but I'll stay as long as the game doesn't get ridiculous and hope that player's keep them in line otherwise they'll lose to their competition.

This is why competition is usually a good thing, if people have options then naturally the best option will win out over time.

[daring trail]

same dude, same. its bad this patch lol

[stuck perch]

It has to be damage on daggers, It's not meant to buff a rapier just because he has an off-hand dagger.

[somber adder]

fix bard war song

[rigid prawn]

I agree competition is good, that being said the competition has a ways to go lol. GiG looks like a phone game and Crawl is very rough compared

[nocturne grotto]

I feel like they will readd spawn spots into goblin caves any hour now, until then im farming all i can lol

[vernal moss]

The overall vibe of the server is definitely mostly negative now compared to when I played in early play tests which is kind of unfortunate

[rigid prawn]

Lots of people coming from streamers they like playing it and such. Us OGs will always be the die hard push for success guys

[small furnace]

GiG looks really goofy I agree, but it does have a lot of QoL features that Dark and Darker lacks and they've already managed to steal a good amount of players as a result of that.

Crawl is still super rough around the edges yeah. (This took longer to type because you can't use the f word in this server apparently lmao)

[vernal moss]

I just hope DaD can make it to steam to start tapping into that player pool

[past oyster]

rapiers cant use dagger mastery even if you have a dagger in your off hand

[rigid prawn]

Haven’t tried GIG personally but I have seen a decent amount of gameplay, a lot of it comes down to design decision . Not a massive fan of third person being an option in GIG

[meager cloak]

The 1-15 split is also a bad idea and allows targeting these people easier for higher skilled stompers. Both ideas are long term bad for the game.

The system is flawed at its core

Artificially splitting the playerbase is bad

It kills the game because your lobby is dependent on people in your skill range actively looking for a game

[vernal moss]

Third person sounds fucking terrible in a game like this unless it has vision mechanics

[small furnace]

Yeah that's fair, but the way their game is going it kinda looks like they looked at the reddit for DaD and took every QoL feature that IM has refused to add to the game and added it to theirs.

That's why I think it's good to have competition, if IM refuses to do certain things then other devs can, and it might make them rethink whether it was worth being so stubborn.

[rigid prawn]

Honestly I think they are better off waiting til the game is more feature complete before putting it on steam, early bad reviews are hard to bounce back from and if the EA is anything ti go off people would be quick on the trigger in the current state lol

[rigid prawn]

None of that says that the game will die, I’m just saying it’s flawed at its core and bad for the game

[stuck perch]

GiG might be goofy, but it's something to play while Dark and darker is in maintenance. And it seems less hardcore than Dark and darker which is a good thing. It means Dark and Darker can focus on it's original design in being a hardcore pvepvp game rather than try to court causal players that will probably jump to competitors anyways. Specialization is good. Also competition will let other games try weird things and IM can choose to copy or wait and see.

[meager cloak]

none of that says the game will die

It kills the game

[small furnace]

Yeah, I do hope they add an auction house though since that's been pretty universally well received in GiG.

Kinda just sucks having to waste as much time on trade chat as I do. Feels like a waste of time.

[vernal moss]

Good point

[stuck perch]

I'd rather not have an AH in DaD, after seeing how it warped economies in various MMOs

[rigid prawn]

Lol saying it kills the game /= the game is going to die. 3/4 of the post says nothing about the game dying at all

[vernal moss]

I think you took “kills the game” way too literally

[small furnace]

IF stash space remains limited then the economy can never get so warped. The thing about those mmo's is you can have an infinite amount of money because it doesn't take up space. So more money keeps getting introduced and thus the economy keeps getting inflated.

[visual umbra]

I wish IM would just share their vision. In its entirety. Let me know what's in store down the road, and what would qualify it as complete (out of EA).

[rigid prawn]

It’s great for everyone since even if IM decides not to implement these features, people still get something they might enjoy!

IM are the idea guys in this though, you can copy a concept but creating meaningful changes and expanding is where things can go awry

[visual umbra]

Eh, give it enough time and keys will sell for 10k gold a piece

[small furnace]

The prices of things will definitely go up a little, but it's not gonna be nearly as much as you just said. I'd rather it exist because I dunno man, sitting in trade chat for half an hour to try and sell something at a reasonable price when there's only 100 people at a time using the chat, or looking for that perfect item waiting for it to pop up and then hoping someone else didn't click 'trade' before me are both just such insufferable tasks.

[rigid prawn]

That was a concern of mine as well, chests create a new economy ceiling and 1250 is no longer the limit

[visual umbra]

I've been for removing trade for almost a month now.
When the optimal way to play the game (trade chat) is BORING, the game designer has made a mistake

Just make the bottom 5 rows in your stash shared area. All your characters see the same thing there. Boom, now loot for all classes is usable.

[rigid prawn]

If we’re gonna split the playerbase at all it should be an opt in for the trader. Traderless lobbies would reduce the BiS monsters by quite a bit

[vernal moss]

No trade lobbies would be fun

[meager cloak]

mental circles

[granite plinth]

the circles need to be slower

[visual umbra]

Couldn't agree more. You'd still have people bringing gear to their non-trade friends in-game, but the problem would be lessened.
Splitting it at level 15 was short sighted to say the least

[gaunt hornet]

dude literally said he had faith but that devs are making decisions that are kiling the game and also that killing the game won't make it dead. leave him be

[rigid prawn]

Naw your just nitpicking. I made my point clear that it’s bad for the game, I never stated anything a concrete as ThE GAme WiLl DiE

[vernal moss]

Gear sharing between friends is whatever tho no trade lobbies sound balling

[rigid prawn]

You aren’t doing it right if you don’t have haters lol

[gaunt hornet]

having haters doesn't mean you're doing it right

[rigid prawn]

Your just being argumentative now, take a chill pill let’s get back on topic

[gaunt hornet]

says mr. reddit that argues everything. feel free to stop at any time

[rigid prawn]

Lol high schoolers man

[vernal moss]

You’re not even debating anything constructive anymore

[gaunt hornet]

you're the one that responded to me right here after i said "leave him be"
but I'm argumentative. yeesh

[visual umbra]

Paisley has a good head on his shoulders, and a love for the game. Let's leave the ad hominems to the debate class dropouts

[rigid prawn]

Move on, this convo is pointless we’re here to discuss the game

[granite plinth]

i thought head and shoulders was a shampoo ?

[vernal moss]

LMAO

[gaunt hornet]

leave the ad hominems

high schoolers

[rigid prawn]

Then what’s knees and toes all about?

[visual umbra]

guilty as charged

[granite plinth]

@rigid prawn athletes foot

[visual umbra]

I've had that. fun stuff

[rigid prawn]

[granite plinth]

i mean, free taco cheese...

[visual umbra]

That's what the dandruff is for

[rigid prawn]

Break out the grater

[vernal moss]

Stop

[rigid prawn]

Yes sir

[granite plinth]

:>

[visual umbra]

To bring it back to the game...Introduce skill "Athletes foot" to barbarian - increase targets footstep noise by 250% for 5 seconds

[grave nebula]

is it just a barbarian thing or does anyone else struggle with not wanting to bring even 200g+ of equipment to make 200g

[rigid prawn]

A pair of lightfoots and a white double axe is all you need to make big bucks in the GC, economy runs!

[grave nebula]

im saying it just gets boring, doesnt feel like i have a reason to bring gear unless to pub stomp other lobsters which doesnt appeal to me

[visual umbra]

Who do ya'll think is the smelliest of the classes?
I reckon wizard and barbarian gotta be contenders

[vernal moss]

Something I would really like is grey versions of equipment always being available instead of on rotation

I can never just buy a grey rapier anymore

[rigid prawn]

It’s a flaw the GC has inherently, at least with the crypts you can focus on bossing with good gear

[rigid prawn]

Bard probably smells like Sephora

[granite plinth]

how do you report a player ?

legit just screen recorded a warlock who had unlimited spells and was zooming about

[vernal moss]

Idk fighters sprinting around in plate armour are probably like steamed sweaty prunes under there

[bleak dagger]

you never played warlock did u?

[granite plinth]

i did not sir, are the spells unlimited ?

[vernal moss]

Yes they cost health instead

[granite plinth]

ahh righton, i thought the number in the bottom right meant uses. im more of a stabbing type of guy

[bleak dagger]

you look like one as well

[vernal moss]

So; they are limited by your HP unless you take the perk that lets you cast at 1hp without exploding ur organs

[granite plinth]

im handsome as fuck mate, whatchu on about

[visual umbra]

Imagine being stuck on a battlefield in the sun ca. 1535, in full armor, surrounded by other soldiers, all without deodorant..

[bleak dagger]

just a joke refering your profile picture.

[rigid prawn]

If you ever see, “warlock killed same warlock with warlock spell” it’s cause they didn’t have enough hp to cast the spell lol

[vernal moss]

Putrid

[granite plinth]

yeah bro, peak male beauty right there in that picture

[bleak dagger]

and then a wiz pops out of invis and chainlightning your whole mob.

[rigid prawn]

Imagine the smell

[visual umbra]

Imagine leaving your children fatherless because some king wanted 40km^2 more land

[rugged heath]

With the new changes to the merchants it would be cool to have trade lobbies vs non trade lobbies. At first I thought it was kinda bs but after grinding from 1-15 without ever using or needing trading it would be cool to try it out.

[bleak dagger]

looks like kinda the guy thats into stabbing stuff and such u know

[rigid prawn]

[vernal moss]

Yeah I’m actually super down on no trade lobbies

[rigid prawn]

I think that’s a reasonable way to split the community without gutting the core gameloops, still for sure would effect load time though

[vernal moss]

Opens up some interesting interactions where people try to trade in-dungeon too

[rugged heath]

Yea with the merchants giving out up to blues it's decent gear so you don't need to trade unless you want to maximize your build. Plus it would make getting higher gear like purple actually cool cuz you know you took it out from a raid before so it's more sentimental

[visual umbra]

People will walk 10 miles on broken glass before they utter the phrase "remove trade"

[rigid prawn]

Emergent gameplay is the best kind of gameplay

[grave nebula]

its funny though, i want gear to matter in this game because that would be cool on a fantasy/lore level, but using it to bring me to parity with people who also put on gear doesnt excite me either because the fights feel the same as 2 people on base kit at that point. That and everyone having to prioritize +all attrib kinda feels like it defeats the purpose of building a class properly and being unique

[granite plinth]

[vernal moss]

I wanna be able to spend 40g on a full Grey loadout and have fun for more eco runs but merchants are holdouts

[rigid prawn]

This is exactly the reasoning why gbmm doesn’t work as well, this would amplify this exact problem 10 fold.

Some classes benifit from different game feel at higher gear tiers, wiz being a perfect example. Barb unfortunately is fairly straight forward so beside going for a bigger numbers there’s not much difference in the gameplay

[grave nebula]

dang i might need to put the game down til they make barb interesting again (or just interesting to begin with lol)

[rigid prawn]

Yeah gotta try weird builds lol, recommend quarter staff for a slightly different barb experience

[grave nebula]

tried it all at this point, that and the lack of useful Skills kinda sucking the life out it, maybe just need to play a class that actually needs gear now

[lusty crystal]

Yeah I'm doing the same currently not playing this wipe.

[grave nebula]

GBMM?

[strange badger]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497398/balance-add-damage-modifiers-for-faster-weapons-around-percent-damage-modifiers-

This suggestion is to lower "additional" damage modifiers. By the numbers I gave, I make percentage damage increases like physical power optimal for heavier hitting weapons, while faster weapons technically scaling better like what exists in the current model is still maintained slightly.

On top of reducing the power of "additional" damage modifiers I also addressed another issue: having fewer potential rolls: 1 or 2 additional damage, for example, increases the probability of rolling top damage numbers. The percent modifiers, however, have a wider range of rollable numbers. By the law of large numbers, a smaller range of possible rolls means it takes a lot less investment to find everything you need for a kit of high-rolled equipment and it's easier to intentionally diverge significantly higher than the average roll.

To solve this last issue I propose that they add a wider range of possible rolls. Again, in summary, this makes it harder to put together a full kit of the max roll of the modifier. And brings people who try to build a really strong kit closer to the average of what the rolls will give them.

[rigid prawn]

Gear based match making, lots of people think it will create a fairer situation but it will just creat stale predictable combat for the reasons you described as well as others

[grave nebula]

oh yeah for sure, i think the lobby system they have now is of course not perfect but pretty reasonable for now

[granite plinth]

they just need a practice arena, will solve many skill issues

[rigid prawn]

Offline raids would work as well for learning maps and ai in safe environment, obviously you wouldn’t keep what you extract with just like Tarkov, dying also has no consequence

[summer wraith]

This, it's ridiculous I have to put on 200g worth of gear just to try some builds that might seem fun

[rugged heath]

yea bring back old tavern location! Make the Tavern Master have a service to let you go into a lobby like area with dummies to practice

[granite plinth]

well just 1v1 with players, die then respawn. dont lose gear

[rigid prawn]

I remember people shooting down a similar idea during the playtests, I think it would be fun for leaderboard tourneys and stuff, people were already hosting in raid 1v1s with cash prizes too lol

[small furnace]

1v1s would be so funny it would be ACTUAL rock paper scissors.

You're playing as a bard? Well, you are up against a ranger and he is going to shoot you before you can play your songs.

You're a fighter with 60% PDR? Well, say hello to Mr. Wizard, you just auto lost.

[summer wraith]

lol, yea, there would be no obstacles in the arena that would allow for that play. Fighter with range and obstacles absolutely does not insta lose wizard. Data from it would help them balance classes better too

[small furnace]

Yeah that's kinda why I'm saying 1v1s wouldn't work. The game is setup for unexpected asymmetrical pvp. You can win against any class as any class given the proper circumstances but if you are put in a scenario where you KNOW it's 1v1, certain classes will just auto win against other classes.

[granite plinth]

yeah but for practice like, no competition

[rigid prawn]

Yeah it would in a way lol, only way your first example would work though is if it’s an open room with nothing else in it, give people a mini objective and some cover and it could be pretty hype of you can turn a unfavourable matchup on its head by pushing the objective and holding it. Think that 2v2 mode from 2019 modern warfare

[summer wraith]

Yea I disagree, in an open arena i would agree but depending on how the map is designed there's room for creative play from any class

[small furnace]

I'm good for a practice room but an arena just sounds silly guys, no offense. This game just isn't balanced around 1v1, and the combat isn't really that fun if you take out the other aspects from it like looting, playing with light, the circle and such.

[strange badger]

On the flip side, if they implemented an arena-like area you could brawl, it would be wierd if inside that arena you couldn't open the inventory. And if you aren't dropping loot when you die or trying to loot, there'd be no reason for fighters/rangers not to bring 9 windlasses and a crossbow for swaps.

A wizard would actually have a hard time against a skilled fighter imo.

[small furnace]

I mean sure, maybe I'm the exception but idk if I wanted to play a good medieval combat game without any risks or looting I'd just play Mordhau.

[granite plinth]

bro if youre sad enough to go to a practice arena with no loot to win, then let them

[rigid prawn]

Having it as an option wouldn’t take away for the rest of the game though I think. If anything it would help people understand class weaknesses and strengths as well as helping people practise against poor matchups. Add a ladder system where you have to cement you class before the matches start and you don’t know what class/ person your facing until your matched would be very fun imo

[rigid prawn]

Mordehau isn’t high fantasy though, can’t sling spells

[alpine olive]

I believe the crafting materials need to stack. They take up too munch storage space for how many you need

[rigid prawn]

Agreed or create a components stash box like the gold chest

[strange badger]

I mean, if you went to the practice arena enough to know you had no chance against wizards like the previous guy said, then why wouldn't bring some extra fire to deal with the thing you couldn't deal with otherwise if you'll just get matched up against them.

If you have an inventory that isn't going to see any use in an arena why wouldn't one use it?

[small furnace]

I guess, I'm not inherently against it but I don't think it's something I'd play much if at all. The game just isn't the game without the risk vs reward factor for me.

[rigid prawn]

Fair! It would be super fun for some though, don’t think it will happen any time soon though lol

[granite plinth]

cool, let them. die respawn, go to next game

[small furnace]

Also Onepeg's video on the recent balance patch incase anyone didn't see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPBF28WuxUY

He kinda hits the nail on the head on why it's not so good.

[visual umbra]

The next patch, whatever it entails, will determine whether or not I sleep on this game until official release.
They had gold in their hands, and did reverse alchemy on it.

[strange badger]

I'd spend a ton of time there!

Like when I played Apex Legends, I spent a ton of time in the training field practicing the movement mechanics in that game combined with aiming, reloading, flicking, and the lot.

The problem is dark and darker is a game you're fighting other players for maybe 5% of the time you're playing, this kind of model makes it hard to train at the game's mechanics without a place you can go to get constant action.

I like the extraction gameplay of DaD but I'm interested in having a semblance of mastery over the games mechanics and a training field would be the best place to practice this.

[gloomy nacelle]

Really hoping the devs see just how oppressive and un-counterable the ranger/bow meta is, Casters are completely unplayable because you just get shot for half hp the moment you try to cast anything. Melee classes are worthless because longbow has a 35% slow and they just shoot you over and over and over until you're dead. Most meta teams now are cleric fighter ranger with the fighter also using a longbow because its just obviously OP. Devs just cant help but show their obvious bias for the classes they play, when landmine rogue was a problem they nerfed it into the ground, but somehow rangers doing the same thing from the other side of the room is A OK. every lobby I get into 70-80% of the kills are to a longbow, something needs to change but I don't know if Ironmace are capable of seeing how bad it is since they main ranger and fighter and have clear and obvious bias. Its just a shame, I really like this game but at this point if you don't use a bow you just cant compete, might aswell be escape from tarkov in a dungeon since everyone has pin point accurate railgun with practically infinite ammo, nearly 0 drop, and a 35% slow just to make sure you can't even take cover after losing 33-50% of your hp from the first shot.

[strange badger]

You wouldn't be playing in the training field because it is its own game with its own satisfying content. You would be playing in the training fields to get better at fighting players during a dungeon dive.

[small furnace]

I've said before I'm for a practice mode with like a dummy and some obstacles to let you practice mechanics. An arena seems a bit overboard, you made the comparison to Apex but it's hard to even make that comparison cause the nature of these games are entirely different.

[vernal moss]

Am also ranger un-enjoyer

[rigid prawn]

The issue that I see is that it’s hard to not make ranger obsolete with damage reductions and such, I still think the best answer is to get some more classes in the game that have some direct counters to arrows. Monk in TTD&D has access to an ability called patient defence that allows them to catch and throw back arrows, think mechanically it would work similar to genjis reflect in overwatch. Until stuff like that enters, best counter ranger will be another ranger or a full plate fighter with a bow of his own

[strange badger]

The comparison is that they're both games you get relatively little action for the total time you play. It makes so that you don't get very good at the PvP in the game by playing it a lot.

An arena isn't about having a new game mode, it's about being able to get better at the one gamemode that exists, about allowing people to play the game slightly more competitively. Saying it's silly to have it because the game isn't balanced around 1v1 content, that you wouldn't spend much time in it because it isn't the same game, seems like you think of an arena as a different game mode.

[vernal moss]

Fighters are already a pain it’s kinda cracked they can take your head off with a longbow/crossbow as well

[small furnace]

I feel like Ranger is in a pretty good place with the nerfs... or at least they were before they added the most recent patch that put back in a million overpowered affixes.

In that case though I'd rather we just fix the gear rather than give a nerf to ranger because IronMace couldn't balance gear properly.

[chilly estuary]

rangers arent balanced in the slightest they still do ridiculous body damage compared to other classes hitstun still exist and the worst part how fast their arrows fly which is the part that makes me sour

[rigid prawn]

I do agree that the slow is kinda harsh considering you can hit 50% with the leg shot perk, even the base 35% is more than freaking ice bolt lol.

Reducing the slow to a lower amount or duration could go a long way in making ranger matchups feel better for the victim lol

[chilly estuary]

its so insane they just get rid of hit stun and reduce how fast the arrows fly and then i can say ranger in a good state

[small furnace]

Just gonna have to agree to disagree there.

[chilly estuary]

so you disagree with hitstun being removed is a bad thing

or the speed of the arrows

[small furnace]

I do disagree yes, as I said I think rangers were in a good state after the nerfs they received before this most recent patch.

[pine shoal]

too many portals, very few players in the GC dungeons, no challange when u go in

[chilly estuary]

though i will admit it aint just rangers its all arrows projetice speed that needs a reduction cause its ridiculous someone can from far just barely peak and take a body shot for 30% to almost 60% of health depending on who is the one getting hit

[small furnace]

Arrows are also dodge-able. It's not like it's guarantee to hit you. If a ranger misses you twice while you're running at them they're dead unless you happen to be one of the few classes that loses in close range to a ranger.

[gloomy nacelle]

The answer is to remove slow on all bows and adding a system to make shooting harder (Look at mount and blade for a good example) Rangers can simply hold and walk around with their bow drawn forever and its always pinpoint accurate, always does 33-50% of your health, and always slows you by enough to make the second shot unavoidable, have 2 people with longbows on your team? you just steamroll everybody no contest. I know because thats what my team did last night, cleric ranger and fighter with longbow is a completely uncounterable setup. We only died because we were too busy killing everyone in the lobby and died to zone. There is undeniably a problem here and pretending like ranger would be unplayable if they didnt 2-3 shot everybody is just a bad faith argument.

[tidal bloom]

buckler should be allclass, thoughts?

[strange badger]

While I agree that rangers need nerfed (specifically two things: traps need to be disarmed in like .2 seconds flat but leave you slowed for like 3 seconds afterwards, and the slow from longbow shots needs nerfed significantly), I have to point out that aside from quick shot, fighters don't do that much less damage with a bow when compared to rangers. Though I do note that the "hitstun" nerf you want is basically the same thing I'm calling for nerfing, and that this nerf would hit the bow-wielding fighter just as well as it'll hit the ranger.

[small furnace]

Yeah I just don't agree with this at all. They got a pretty big nerf to their damage output and they were in a good place before this absolutely mind boggling patch dropped.

[chilly estuary]

see the missing troupe doesnt work cause you can say that about spells and people still wanted and got wizard nerfs

[pine shoal]

If you play ranger, you can notice how little dmg you do now....

[strange badger]

I also like the idea of holding the bow drawn for an extended period of time making your aim wobbly. And needing to not have the bow drawn for a small window to get rid of the wobbly aim.

[small furnace]

The big wizard nerfs people begged for got undone, and haste/invis got nerfed not because it did damage or because it slowed but because it made wizards impossible to catch.

Rangers NEED the slow because the only way they can beat an enemy in a mid-range encounter is by using the slow and kiting to their advantage. In Ruins map sure they don't need it, but crypts is the most popular map by far and in GC there are not enough rooms to warrant removing their slow entirely.

[pine shoal]

I play ranger a lot and I agree completly, without that slow we wouldnt have any survivality

[chilly estuary]

the only change that got undone was killing all spower power scaling they just reverted the fireball change and brought it back nerfed nerfed missiles and more only nerf that didnt happen was icebolt but no one really taking that anymore

[summer wraith]

They nerfed haste and slow because of barb buff ball being too powerful, hasted wizards get caught by barbarians lol

[strange badger]

A lot of what you said here is wrong.

Haste/invis got nerfed because of how strong it made buffball comp is what the devs said. Not because it made the wizard hard to catch. And fireball actually got nerfed in patch 1, a lot of the nerfs have only been partial reverts, leaving them still slightly nerfed, not undone.

[small furnace]

I genuinely don't believe the devs, because there was an easy fix for that, that they did not consider which was lower the duration or remove the ability entirely to cast the buff on allies.

If that was truly the reason and the ONLY reason then I do not see why they would have done this.

[opaque garden]

hello cant log in to launcher ?

[strange badger]

That is true, everybody's been saying to make invis and perhaps also haste self cast only.

It is possible that it would have taken a slight recoding of the game though that may have been more difficult and they were partially looking for a quick coding answer, just changing some numbers is so much easier than changing some code. Just pointing out that there may actually be other reasons for actually just nerfing haste/invis.

[gloomy nacelle]

Thats the problem with you people, you simply don't know what its like on the other end because you're so sheltered by your easy class. Try playing a class that can't use a longbow or crossbow and you'll see pretty fast how un winnable fights against it are. Especailly in 3's where the ranger doesn't have to worry about being rushed at all and can just output hundreds of damage while the fighter just stands there holding the line.

[summer wraith]

lmao, I don't know what to say to this level of overconfidence, they literally nerfed it right when buffball became popular. No way you're wrong though, the devs are just lying....delusional

[chilly estuary]

yea this guy is just completely off base thats why i usually dont argue with these types and just put my suggestion out there and call it a day cause he is completely delusional

you cant have a discussion or an arguement based using reason with someone who didnt reason themselves into the position

[small furnace]

If that was the reason they nerf it then why didn't the implement the better fix, the one that people were literally asking for? It's either incompetence or lying.

[summer wraith]

Facts dude. The devs probably didn't code the spell in a way that made it easy to debuff casting the spell on other players and they're spread thin so they went with the quicker option of tweaking values. that's my fan theory

[small furnace]

Ah, so your 'fan theory' is better than mine for reasons and I'm delusional for believing they had ulterior motives and weren't the most wholesome chungus 100 devs in the world, right.

[pine shoal]

man i play rogue, mage, barb, ''you people'' xD

[strange badger]

As I said in my previous post. They don't have anything that just casts on self, the nerf they did was just a number change, the proposed nerf would require changing the code. From a developers standpoint they did fix it in a way that was technically easier to do.

I don't believe the change to code would have been difficult, but it would have been more effort for sure, even if just slightly more.

[summer wraith]

At least i called mine a guess instead of going with "the devs are definitely lying about this arbitrary point" lol

[small furnace]

They're just trying to otherize the opposition so they can feel good about themselves. I also play ranger, rogue and fighter.

@summer wraith Did I say mine was fact? I just said I don't believe it, did you really have to put all these words in my mouth in order to get your point across?

[summer wraith]

The devs have no reason to lie about the reason for nerfing haste and invis, you're drunk dude, it's an absurd thing to think that they lied about, I can't fathom what you think the motivation is for that

[small furnace]

Right, so this is a case of "My theory is better than yours because of reasons." and I'M the delusional one, of course.

[rigid prawn]

Naw I said it’s a difficult thing to balance without destroying the class, not that they can’t do things to improve it. I do agree that there should be some more systems added to the rangers and a good one would be reducing accuracy the longer you hold a bow drawn. Longbows and even recurves have an insane amount of weight behind their string, holding it back for a few seconds is hard. A good example of this would be the kingdom come system.

Just to expand on what I meant, reducing damage a little will make little to no impact, reducing it too much will make the class obsolete. Finding that middle ground is difficult and addressing balance from different front or other front at the same time, like arrow slow or the draw timer mechanic I decribed above, is a better approach then gutting the damage, As long as ranger isn’t broken to the same degree landmine rogue was at least lol

[dim mortar]

raid times are to short in my opinion, constantly fighting pve to get to the zone makes it hard to enjoy the PVP aspect especially in the beginning with low to mid tier gear

[small furnace]

Rare W Kingdom Come reference.

The only thing I genuinely hated about Kingdom Come was the god damn awful noise it made when you would walk around in any type of metal armor. I actually had to mod that out cause it gave me headaches.

[pine shoal]

why is nobody complaining about how many portals there is....its insane

[summer wraith]

The idea that they went with the simpler solution because of how they structured the code makes more sense than the idea that they lied about nerfing the meta that had just become popular when they released the patch and accusing the devs of arbitrarily lying. Yes, it absolutely is lmao

[rigid prawn]

I only ever played it modded too lol, realistic armour and damage makes that game super fun and combat insanely dangerous, absolute blast of a game

[small furnace]

Yes yes, icky ranger player stupid and doesn't know anything. Hyper delusional dumb man I am man. I get it.

@rigid prawn I do love the level of realism that it brings to the scene and mods make it even better.

[summer wraith]

"the devs are lying to us about their opinion on buff ball because they actually want to nerf wizards" k

[small furnace]

Yes, we get it. You can move on now.

[pine shoal]

Its easier to insult the man than to make good arguments against his class

aaaaaaaaanyway, why nobody talking how easy it is to survive GC???, the solo play is open a portal, waiting to go low jump in the portal

[small furnace]

I dunno if that's the problem, or if it's because of the HR map sizes being in normal now.

[pine shoal]

its crazy how many portals there are and how everyone just bails not forcing pvp like before

[white cliff]

Numbers of portals guarantees everyone gets out so there’s no reason to fight.

[pine shoal]

Yes its such a turn off, defeats the point of a pvp game

[rough rivet]

Ironmace needs to stop going back on their fixes. The game was in a super balanced state rogues were balanced and now we just go right back to pre-nerf with both gear and rogues. Rangers are out of control on the balance scale and barbs have way to much HP in correlation with how the rework has scaled them

[small furnace]

True but I find usually when people come across each-other they USUALLY still fight. So the map size might be coming into play here if people are just not encountering each-other as often.

[pine shoal]

rogues were balanced? u mean the landmine build? yessss very balance

[white cliff]

Rogues? how about stat rolls on gear. We removed +2-3 All, had it half removed, and felt the ramifications from it for an entire wipe, only for it to be added back.

[rough rivet]

I mean they were fine before the most recent buffs.

[small furnace]

This patch is indeed a terrible reversion... but it's definitely not because rogues... rogues were FAR from balanced, they were weak as hell.

[rough rivet]

I'm just sick of Ironmace taking steps backwards after making good changes

[pine shoal]

i feel that 30%to 50% ambush its ok for rogue, what is not ok is that they can trigger it mid walking to their enemy, but thats my opinion

[rigid prawn]

It’s not really going back on their fixes, they are just turning the dials back up a bit. Dagger damage was pretty bad before this patch so I think that change was much needed. The perk changes remain to be seen but they can always turn the dials back down in a later patch, gotta let them try things

[indigo bane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

[pine shoal]

bro is EA they made an awesome game just let them work on it, wtf

[vernal moss]

When I played kingdom come near release the god awful slow sens put me off

[pine shoal]

man that english, jesus i had a stroke reading that

[meager oasis]

I love the new ring addition, but it would be nice if the timer was longer or something? Does anyone else feel like they are having a little less time in zones?

[vernal moss]

I wouldn’t say rogues were balanced they were kinda hot garbo

[small furnace]

Wrong opinion detected, I will now look at your roles and see you are a rogue player so therefore you are only saying this because you want your class buffed. /s

[vernal moss]

Yes give me felling axe and perm stealth

[pine shoal]

bruv just put less portals and force the pvp, like before patch 1, it was waaay nicer to kill desperate people trying to get out!

[rigid prawn]

Highly recommend revisiting it, game was a mess on release but from patches and mods the game is an absolute banger now, just wish they would come out with the second one so we could continue the story it ends rather abruptly lol

[rigid prawn]

This might be the answer to a lot of the problems, some of us paid $50 usd so we could get into that test server they claimed would exist at some point. Play around with those individuals that are more understanding of the games current state and are willing to work with the devs, not the general unappreciative playerbase lol

[indigo bane]

FR. i payed for both me and my friend

[small furnace]

AMAZINGLY good point. They had us pay extra for a test server and instead of using it they're just launching out massive experimental changes onto the main server without any QA.

[indigo bane]

i get that its EA, but a test server to bulk test the changes in real time would be better than live service testing

[pine shoal]

very good point sir

[indigo bane]

go upvote my suggestion if you think its a good point:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

maybe we can get them to listen

[rigid prawn]

[vernal moss]

I forgot I paid for some kind of testing thing lmao

[bleak harbor]

Dark and Darker is in a bad place after the last patch. There are 2 main problems I see right now.

1. Basic gear has become much harder to obtain as the merchant price for greys/whites has increased, while their frequency has decreased. With grey melee weapons disappearing entirely.
2. The stats of high level gear have increased drastically and it's now available in the merchant making the game too gear focused.

This combination means that surviving with starter gear is harder, while gearing up is also harder. And once you have that gear, it's harder to keep since you could run across a team with MUCH better gear, forcing you to start over. This game has always had an element of randomness, with well-equipped teams potentially dominating the entire lobby, but this problem has become worse. Even more so now that powerful ranged classes like the wizard, warlock, and ranger can easily find extremely powerful gear. The focus has moved from skill-based combat to combat dictated by gear and team comp, where the team with better stats and better composition wins nearly every time.

In my opinion they need to do a few things to bring the game back to a balanced and more skill-based state:

• Reduce the difference between top and bottom end gear, not just base stats but also rolls. Gear with high rolls should still be available, but should be extremely rare and only available in dungeons.

• Give players the ability to select from a list of junk quality items for free, or for a couple of gold. Let players choose their own starting kit for their class, rather than forcing them to use weapons they do not want to play with. This was less of an issue when grey and white gear were both cheaper and more common, as players could stockpile cheap gear. However it was still an issue and needs to be fixed. This change would also point out underpowered items, as players would avoid them.

• Reduce the overall amount of gear in the dungeon. Right now, there are too many garbage items, partly because there are too many containers like chests, barrels, and boxes. Grey gear is rarely worth picking up except to fill an empty slot or replace junk. The majorty of the gear in normals should be white, with occasional greys greens and blues. In Highroller the majority of the gear should be green, with occasional whites blues and purples. Hell should up these by 1 tier. Sub bosses should also bump this tier by 1.

• Finally, there should be a method to incentivse going into highroller with high gear. The best suggestion I have seen is to have a point where your gear flips the highroller and normals costs. For example if you are wearing a kit of full blues, then normals will cost 50-100 gold, while highroller will be free to enter. The advantage here is that it will reduce the number of highly geared players seal clubbing in normal dungeons, while encouraging them to enter higher level dungeons with similarly geared players. The reason to not make highroller free for all, is that it then prevents low gear players from simply farming highroller for free items.

[vernal moss]

I like this

[rough rivet]

Agreed

[small furnace]

Agreed, I did notice the price increase of whites and removal of greys in the shop which was kinda weird. Dunno why they did that.

[vernal moss]

I’m into the base loadout stuff in particular

[indigo bane]

I agree that they need to fix attributes, though I think limiting the pools to certain types of items like weapons getting +WpnDmg and not armor.
Agreed on kit selection.
Too much gear. Looting chests, breaking boxes, etc is netting alot of whites and greens. I got out of a run with 8 white chapel de fers
Highroller changes should just be incentivized. Remove the ability for purples to spawn as regularly from the myriad of options in regulars, but make it so that only green+ can spawn in HR.

To note, i have opened almost 80 (checked my notes, its 78) of the "higher end inventories" (Lions Head, Gold Chest, Mini Boss, Royal Coffin) and got 54 purples. On Normal Ruins map.

[rough rivet]

I legit decided there's no point in playing call it skill issue or w.e but I'm getting one shot by rangers and even if it's not a one shot I'm left with so little HP that i'm effectively useless, rogues are back to two tapping out of stealth and people who are spending irl money running around hunting down timmies in every lobby, it's exhausting and I used to extract like 70% of the time in prior play tests

[rigid prawn]

On the last point, only problem I see with the cost swap is that at higher tiers, ante cost is almost unnoticeable cause we’re sitting on 1k gold. I think just removing the ante cost on geared or reducing ante by calculating the worth of the gear and applying the difference as a discount.

I still think we need more mid roller content though as that will solve a lot of the problem by giving blue kits not ready for HR something to do besides stomping noobs, hope the new maps they are planning on releasing the next couple months here will provide this

[restive gazelle]

@gentle blade is that realy intented that weapon damage scale with power bonus

[chilly estuary]

excuse him he cant read

[strange badger]

I really like these suggestions. Of note, I think high-roller gold cost is in part needed to be a gold sink. I've seen the argument that reducing cost of high-roller based on gear would reduce the gold sink which could be bad for the economy; however, with merchants now having a pretty good frequency of having decent green and blue items that's less of a concern.

[rough rivet]

Honestly people wanting rogue to be OP was just a symptom of it being the only way casuals could succeed in getting out of a dungeon full of juicers

[restive gazelle]

bro rogue is crazy and when ppl will have ful build it will be realy realy high crazy

you are going to see daggers with like 40-50 base damage realy fast

[small furnace]

Rogue was not good last patch, they were not balanced. A rogue that jumped me out of stealth getting 3-4 hits on me would still die to my white short sword.

The REASON they are going to be unbalanced this patch is not because they gave rogues a tiny little buff it's because of the absolutely crazy affixes that got released, geared rogues are going to be insane.

[rigid prawn]

Rogue should be a high skill floor champ, besides the dagger damage I think they were in a pretty good place as well

[restive gazelle]

rogue is op and soon broken you need asap change before its too late and rogue take over again

[rigid prawn]

I think The affixes is 100% the reason for landmine rogues being a thing again as well, once they tune them down again, and I think they will, we will get a better idea if the perk changes were to much but the dagger damage increase should 100% stay

[rough rivet]

True invisibility and PvP games don't go well together. People don't get that the element of surprise is it's own advantage when you add damage bonuses to that it gets out of hand. But Rangers and Barbarians are way more problematic since patch started anyways

[wide lagoon]

increased mob density is just an indirect buff to ranged class

[indigo bane]

geared ANYONE is gonna be insane

[restive gazelle]

geared rogue one of the most busted thing rn i one shot any squishy

[indigo bane]

the changes to gear and attributes is just a total balance shift that puts people at mid-high gear in extreme advantage, especially if they have some sort of range.

[restive gazelle]

flat damage never been so strong it can even scale with power bonus

[rough rivet]

Game is basically a medieval FPS right now lmfao

[indigo bane]

i got 2 shot by fransiscas earlier, and it wasnt a barb

[small furnace]

While that is true, I have to give the edge to rogues and rangers.

Rogues because... Adding up to +10 flat base damage on each piece of equipment matters WAY more if you have faster attack speed. So rogue daggers which have insane attack speed and incredibly high base AGI will benefit immensely more.

Rangers because... getting hit by one or two arrows matters a lot more when those arrows are chunking you for your entire health bar especially off of headshots modifiers.

Affix changes are terrible overall.

[indigo bane]

Oh i agree. this is why we need a test server.

Ranger has always been busted. with +weapon damage and map geo issues allowing you to get on the walls in ruins, game is in a solidly sad state.

[chilly estuary]

i dont understand why did they do this to the goblin caves map change sucks too many mobs imbetween and alot of key door ways are cut off and the goblin mage missile is so annoying now xD

[bleak harbor]

Rogue's problem is that it is too specialized. Rogue right now is a class that has very little health and defense, and significant mobility. In order to make this playstyle effective it must have extremely high damage and an ambush playstyle. This playstyle however is not conducive to fun fights as it is hard to do properly, and hard to counter if done properly. Meaning that either the rogue kills their target extremely quickly, or their target kills them extremely quickly. There is no room for counterplay or mistakes.

To fix this, Rogue's health and defense needs to be increased and burst damage decreased. Rogues playstyle needs to be adjusted so that instead of pure ambush, they play to their mobility darting in and out, poisoning their target and harassing them to death. This gives the opponent the possibility of countering them, and gives the rogue some leeway to take damage.

Players should not be afraid of a rogue they can't see, they should be afraid of a rogue they can't reliably hit or escape from.

[restive gazelle]

where can we speak with the staff actually bro

[rigid prawn]

Suggestion part of their website is the closest your going to get, it would be way to demanding on them if any Joe Shmoe could send them a direct message that was guaranteed to get their attention lol

[restive gazelle]

who is joe shmoe am i a joe shmoe?

[rigid prawn]

Place holder name, just a phrase that means any person, so yeah lol your Joe Shmoe

[chilly estuary]

he dont know joe?

[rigid prawn]

I know! Every old Joe knows Joe Shmoe!

[sick glade]

Please, please allow us to put coin pouches on our damn utility slots already!

[restive gazelle]

i think when you have a certain amount of gold on you you should make some gling gling noise

[unique flower]

Can you make Bards Wanderer's luck be to the entire party. All it does is create a weird funnel where you turn the bard into a looting carring and you have to double back as a ranger to loot your arrows. It just helps the party overall flow better.

[indigo bane]

bards just need to open the inventory first, then close it.

[unique flower]

correct

but when you're trying to move in a quick fashion, it makes it weird. Cause you're having to go to every corpse, and move around. It makes it clunky. It does nothing but make gameplay smoother to spread it to the party.

[indigo bane]

as a cleric and bard main, i dont think it matters really. Just have 2 party members protect you while you loot. They got a massive resourcefulness buff, plus interaction speed means that it doesnt become an issue.

[unique flower]

You're not a ranger

which means I have to wait, constanlty to get my arrows, and move around to this weird clunky thing and if something happens, i leave 20g on the ground.

[indigo bane]

Oh no, you have to open an inventory just after another person.

[granite plinth]

@safe jay is useless

[somber wind]

• Re-Add Greys to Shops.
• Lower Max of rolled modifiers (All Stat unaffected due to change to what gear it can be put on).
• Have rolled modifiers be inclined to roll lower.
• Remove Non-Magic, Damage Modifiers from Helmets, Chest Pieces, Legs and Boots.
• Remove Damage Reduction/Resistance Modifiers from Weapons.
• Remove All Stat from non-jewelry (Still can be found on Shadow Mask due to it's White Modifier).

Thoughts?

[unique flower]

You're not getting the back forth. Whats the point of keeping it to just the bard. It makes things smoother to spread it to the party, just like jokester and other stat buffs.

[indigo bane]

for balance reasons, i would assume. Its opportunity cost.

[unique flower]

The balance issues applies to ranger only really lol

[indigo bane]

make a suggestion on the website, link it, and ill upvote it

[indigo bane]

its not an issue at all. I have a perm ranger in my party. I open skele archer inventories, and immediately close them. You are complaining over a non-issue.

[somber wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497429/modifier-rebalance

[indigo bane]

done

also:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

[unique flower]

I think your opinion is horrible and you don't optimize your time in the dungeon.

[atomic yacht]

Make melt and arcane feedback not literally terrible garbage fire perks. Melt reduces physical damage reduction - Hey, we're WIZARDS! WE USE MAGIC
arcane feedback is just terribly designed with what we have, we only have one damaging arcane spell. If the numbers were buffed and we got more arcane spells it'd be fine

[indigo bane]

a second and a half isnt "unoptimized" its playing with what the game has. You are just complaining cause its slightly inconvenient for you.

sounds like a skill issue on your teams part if you cant manage it. 🤷‍♂️

[unique flower]

It's more like 2 minutes through the entire dungeon, and that's only using it for higher chest, and bigger mobs. You don't understadn single parties splitting to take out multiple mobs/chest and waiting for the bard to make his loot run.

[indigo bane]

Sounds like you are playing unoptimized. Why is it that the bard is waiting? i dont get what you mean. You are acting like you have to wait until you are completely done with combat to open inventories of dead enemies. If your bard is waiting, you are playing wrong.

also, if your bard is opening every enemies inventory, then you are also playing wrong.

[fossil lily]

ok @indigo bane and @unique flower can you two settle your marital disputes in DMs? you're turning this into a personal pissing contest and nobody wants to see it

[indigo bane]

this is a channel for suggestion discussions, and I am simply discussing the suggestion. I said my piece.

Plugging my suggestion yet again.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

[fossil lily]

sure its a discussion but what you two were doing is something very different than discussing a suggestion. i dont need to read grown-ass dudes arguing over nothing here. i got twitter for that 😂

[indigo bane]

cool 👍

[placid summit]

Bring Back HR Leaderboard 😄

[indigo bane]

HR season hasnt started yet. i think theyll announce it at some point

[unique flower]

I'll lay it out for you, but yeh, thank god this isn't ask Ori channel.

Celric/Bard/Ranger. You're in hell, cleric is clearing a mob to a chest with bard , ranger is kiting a demon beserker or centaur,. We're all within the 450 range. I'm waiting as the bard opens the chest and loots and closes, then runs to me to loot /close my mob, so i can get my arrows. If i move on and let him loot the mob, he's arrow mueling for me, if I move on without looting I leave 10-15 gold in arrows on the mob if I can't find time to double back cause a team showed up or w/e. It is simply a pacing change idea, to have the stat boost, like every other stat boost, be a party buff in a AoE similar to Jokester.

It's just a gameplay flow improvement to not have to wait. Do this 5-6 times in a run from normal to hell eats up alot of time. Either way, I put my suggestion in, and I leave it to the devs. While this isn't a problem for you, it is a problem for others.

[eager rampart]

Now that rare items can be found in merchants, trade system is completely turned upside down, no incentive to loot items no more, because most of them are going for dirt cheap. Gold earning is just so hard now.

[indigo bane]

make a suggestion on the website, i dont think they actually look here. I believe this is more for the community to discuss the suggestions made on the website

[indigo bane]

as sad as it sounds, doing goblin runs is the best way to farm money. little to no PVP going on and a lot more loot this wipe.

[indigo bane]

My opinions on your gameplay loot approach aside, I do not think that your suggestion would be a great implementation, because it would then limit the variety of perks that get picked. The AOE-ification of it will make it a BIS perk because there would be no downside.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497364/less-sweeping-changes-test-server

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497429/modifier-rebalance

[rigid prawn]

It probably wont happen til they do a level reset i would think. After they are done turning dials they will probs full wipe

[unique flower]

It's already a BIS perk in high end, where I'm thiking about it. Changing it makes it a less load on the bard for buying luck potions and less micro management. I think you're opinions are a bit short sighted for how other classes interact with the bard, but that's the point of different perspectives. I'd rather my teamamte spend more time playing songs, killing things, and working for map control/vision than being a loot bot.

[indigo bane]

I think the better balance change would be making the spell effect to open chests apply the luck bonus. This would save alot of the time, open alot of chests at once in many areas, and the bard can do double duty.

[chilly estuary]

it ended abnormally please restart

[cursive hemlock]

fix frames

[small furnace]

1. Agreed.
2. Agreed, especially so.
3. Disagree, cause if high rolls are rare then people who stalk trade chat constantly will be given a much bigger advantage, creates more gear disparity.
4. Do you mean affixes or general modifiers? Either way I disagree with both.
5. On the fence, don't really know if this is part of the problem.
6. On the fence, but I'd be cool with it being tried to see if it helps with balance at all.

[narrow snow]

Nerf rogues clear speed and then introduce maps with higher mob density when rogue already has worst clear speed in the game

[pale tangle]

Add a testing room that doesn't require me to queue up for a game. I would be really happy if I could see what kind of damage I'm doing with my equipment against a testing dummy without having to risk it in a match.

ok found similar suggestion please upvote: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484070/training-room

[celest pagoda]

hot take remove wiz invis 20 step

[echo wharf]

nerf cleric heals, nerf blow of corruption, nerf rangers

[long leaf]

Make >15 queue and HR and singular pool. No fee but you are in a harder dungeon 15+. The larger pool will mix lobbies with various gear values and remove the issue people have with geared folks in Normal and the same groups feeling like they never have enough gear for HR dungeon.

If you need leaderboards, make a separate leaderboard HR Q.

[fossil lily]

my first game after wipe taught me this:

• white/grays are practically unobtainable now, unless you survive and have money
• people still walk around mega geared (dupers or super sweaty)
• traders sell insanely good gear for next-to-nothing
• ironmace prioritizes UI sounds and cosmetic bs over actually fixing their game

i played one game since wipe and my experience was so bad i honestly dont want to play more, but i'll give it a chance. i REALLY hope ironmace gets their shit together. this is actually sad

what were you thinking... really?

[nocturne grotto]

Its very easy to get geared now, just loot gold and wait for right merchant rolls. You will be wearing +2 all in whatever it fits, weapon dmg in other slots in no time

[stray wasp]

Hire some competent people to develop you're game

[violet cradle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/495708/lantern-cancel-outminimizes-dark-swarm-damage

[real trellis]

Little to no pvp in goblin caves? On what server do you play because I'd love to get into your lobbies to do some mining without a psycho ranger plinking at me from 3 stories up.

[dusky lotus]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497455/make-normal-goblin-caves-pve-only

[fossil lily]

no thanks.

I'll wait for them to actually make the game balanced and fun again and play something else in the meantime. This is absolutely horrible.

But hey, at least we have some cool UI sounds! 🥲

[dusky lotus]

Yup. I was a lvl 3 warlock who extracted 4 times. Next game, dead in 90s to a double chain lightning from a serious geared wizard. Unfun. No counterplay.

[indigo bane]

NAE. Ive had 1 combat encounter all wipe in goblins, and I am not avoiding it.

[dusky lotus]

Absolutely lucky. Past 4 games have been +2 in like 5 slot people running at me. Barb, wizard, ranger. And im below 15 too.

[indigo bane]

tbf i stopped playing gobbos right after the most recent (yesterday) patch. but it was still like a good 30 or so goblins

[real trellis]

I usually play on west and east and I definitely run into pvp every third run at least

[dusky lotus]

I think we should try goblin caves as pve only

[indigo bane]

you are gonna summon the chuds with that kinda suggestion tho

[dusky lotus]

Yeah but nothing says this game has to be pure pvp. A pve mode would be amazing. It would be like playing 5 man wow dungeons, as a a group tackling hard bosses.

It would at least be interesting to test.

And plenty of people like the pve challenge, because they did make it hard. And the pvp aholes with no voip, just feels heartless and no fun.

You could cultivate both at the same time.

Then if you leave highroller as pvp, and remove the entry fee, you would get people open to pvp, and also higher geared people coming in.

[indigo bane]

i think a hard, rewarding, group PVE experience would be good. Tarkov Arena is bringing that to as a gamemode to a hardcore extraction* milsim game. It would help the whole community be able to have fun with a game that they paid money for.

[dusky lotus]

Agree. And having a solo mode as a gear up grind, would help too.

I see the game having, in a perfect world:

1. No PvP - Low Difficulty Goblin Caves
2. No PvP - Normal Difficulty Goblin Caves
3. No PvP - Large Gold Entry Fee like 250+ - Hard Difficulty Goblin Caves with elevated loot.
4. PvP - Hard Difficulty Goblin Caves with elevated loot.

It would help with replayability, if all existed at once.

Then, DLC's could be new maps, with all 4 modes. And some DLC's can be 3 man, and 5 man, etc.

[indigo bane]

i feel like, if they are going to add in a PVE only experience, they need to build it from the ground up as that. Dont cannibalize the current maps and try to adapt them. It will ruin overall UX and create server sets that arent ever used.

[dusky lotus]

You could keep the current maps, as the base starter game, and just disable any pvp damage on those modes. So you could have random cooperation.

[boreal gorge]

Hey Devs, do you think you might bring back grey weapons at the weaponsmith inventory. I've played about 15+ games in the last 2 days as warlock and have only found 1 falcion and 1 halberd, which lasted me a match or two before losing...which is probably just due to poor luck. But after the recent update I cant seem to find any cheap weapons to enter a dungeon with, to get the ball rolling. The chasm between Grey players and someone who has some color in their gear feels so great now. Paying Solo or Duo maps I felt so much better off when I could buy a weak longsword, quarterstaff, or bardiche to defend myself and not get rolled immediately.

[indigo bane]

From a User Experience perspective, it wouldnt be as beneficial. There need to be a map set designed for it, and then mapsets not for it.

From the perspective of balancing maps, and the way they generate maps (tilesets) it would be better for the playerbase and the developers if they had a PVE only map. Same reason they did Gobbo Dungeons as Solo Only.

[dusky lotus]

Imagine a PvP disabled 5 man team map, where there is a 'world' boss that takes at least 20 players to kill. lol

[indigo bane]

Cannibalizing and pulling the already strained team into making all of the maps have different modes wouldnt be beneficial to the development and the community in the longrun

[dusky lotus]

I honestly disagree. Now that I am thinking about it. This would allow the team to build the map, once. And just tweak a few starter settings to diversify the feature to 4 modes. You could simply globally disable player pvp, and have loot roll modifiers.

[broken imp]

I'd spawn, Run the loot spawns, Leave, Repeat till im geared enough to do pvp. I dont think it can work, Unless the no pvp is not part of the pvp game, But thats just my opinion :d

[indigo bane]

you just described extraction games.

(joke)

[broken imp]

You're not wrong XD

[indigo bane]

PVE could only work if killing a boss at the end was the only way to extract.

[placid summit]

I wanna play highroller but for leaderboard stats not gear

Wish there were more ways to see stats from dungeon adventures!

[frosty agate]

Blow of Corruptions for Warlocks needs a damage nerf.
Cleric's 15% armor pen maces could use a SLIGHT nerf.
Bard's spells should be tuned down so you dont need to go full knowledge to use them. They are nearlly nullified and are really hard to manage now, the current nerf seemed like overkill.
Warlock's Fire walk with Phantomize needs to not work together.
Warlock Hydra needs to be kill able and not be able to siphon life from it and should take 15-25% of your HP to cast as its used to block doors and other various bits.
Fighter's Victory Strike should deal 35% damage instead of 20%.
Fighter's Heater shields of Purple rarity should be able to defend better against Fireball.
Rogue's could use one more slight buff tuned for their ambush by 5% and 1 more damage base increase for all their daggers.
Warmaul should be staggered more if they hit a shield as much as the one who blocks it with a shield is staggered for long so they cant just endless chain swing into you.

[indigo bane]

They need to limit the amount of Hydras you can summon.

Hydra plus perk that makes it so 1 hp is the lowest you can go = alot of hydra summons.

[frosty agate]

Yeah. I would agree on that, its just been mass spam hydra and pin someone in.

[indigo bane]

3 warlocks in crypts, all running hydra meme, spamming hydras

[frosty agate]

Im fighter main and will always be, its annoying when peoples first reaction is to try to pin someone in and just hydra spam

Its been Warlock spam in solo's and duos, now we will DEF see them more in HR and trio lobbies. They are strong and have great pushing and holding capabilities where they can trap players in rooms or guard others from coming in.
Hydras dont die and can have their life sucked so its not really fair to be honest.

[indigo bane]

WHAT. Why even push that to live server. Why allow the warlock to summon a creature they can life drain. Its just broken

[frosty agate]

They didnt plan it through to well.

[warm flicker]

Some sort of dragonborn character or something

Teifling would be cool too

[gray crane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497464/item-powergear-score-matchmaking

[indigo bane]

they have already said they arent gonna do a gearscore system iirc

[gray crane]

don't care. they need to reconsider 🙂

[indigo bane]

fair. i was one of the earlier suggesters of gearscore system. They just need to fix gear overall

[small furnace]

Anyone know if this is intended? https://gyazo.com/0c16b587c98f7bce0d73a7f042d0f06b

Prices seem buggy as hell to me.

[indigo bane]

i mean, second is alot better

[glacial moon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497241/rogue-thief

[small furnace]

I don't think so, the first does 1 more damage. 1 Physical power isn't better than 1 base damage is it? True Damage doesn't add true damage, it just converts 1 damage into armor bypass damage.

[indigo bane]

48 or 47+1 Damage + 1physical power

[small furnace]

True Damage doesn't add damage.

[grand wagon]

Why do Axe Skeletons speed up as they step into an attack and player Barbarians slow down when swinging? The entire issue with 2-handed weapons is that fast classes just walk in and out of your threat. If player 2-handers moved forward like Axe Skeletons, 2-handed weapons would be useable.

[indigo bane]

it adds it to the end of the physical damage calc

hence why i did 47 + 1, cause its 47*modifiers + 1

[small furnace]

So has misinformation been spread about the true damage modifier then? Well, anyway, that doesn't matter. They're nearly the same in terms of damage, doesn't really constitute 3x the price.

Which is why I'm wondering if it's a bug or if it's intended for his prices to just be random as hell.

[indigo bane]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#True_Physical_Damage

Though the prices are wild

[small furnace]

Yeah I saw it, people have been spreading hard misinformation then. I've looked at that formula before but math is not my strong suite so I didn't really get it.

[indigo bane]

True is just added to the end of the calc. Much better than additional, but also alot more rare as far as i can tell.

[small furnace]

People would always say true damage is not as good because it just converts existing damage to penetrating damage.

Which is blatant misinformation I guess, and I was heavily misinformed.

[abstract swallow]

That got disproven back in PT3, when people discovered dummies have 0 AR/MR, not 0% PDR/MDR

[small furnace]

RIP me, oh well rather to be proven an idiot than to continue living in my idiocy.

[spare flicker]

Nerf Warlock magic spells with like 5 seconds cooldown so he can't spam and win so easily. and also nerf magical healing items to 0.5 instead of 1.0 points

[restive gazelle]

It's already like 50% bonus multipliers for warlock so you want it to be 0,25 for their curse of pain ?

[spare flicker]

a good warlock is unkillable, he just ran away and slowly kill you, even if they poke you, you heal up so easily man. he does everything, heal, burst dmg, range attacks, is really stupid. also it should not heal by cursing his own teammates or his summons. only with enemie players

[restive gazelle]

Yeah but you attack a stats that is only really good on warlock

[spare flicker]

curse of pain, run, curse of pain, summon, run, curse of pain run, summon, run, run, run, run, you die, he survives all pokes due to personal sustain. GG op class

free spam to win, no downsides

[restive gazelle]

What you want is not to nerf magical healing it's to reduce curse of pain healing factor

The distinction is really important, I don't play cleric but I don't think that magical healing is overpowered for them, so to take that off their healing because warlock is op not quite fair

[steep tartan]

Make it so spears actually have to be at a distance to instantly kill you. Rnager is broken enough. Why is every part of joy from this game ruined by terrible mechanics that the devs refuse to change

[restive gazelle]

We like pain don't you see

[spare flicker]

also, why he can setup all spells when every class needs knowledge and spell capacity. it should be strategic in how you should play it, by deciding wether or not use his spells by putting just a little cooldown on them. otherwise he can just spawm everything for free

[abstract swallow]

If you're being killed in melee by a class with sub-15 strength and no helmet, that's on you king.

[cobalt sail]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497470/minimap

[restive gazelle]

Actually for some hp 😂

Which he is creating from nothing this is amazing. Truly amazing

[steep tartan]

This game is a waste of time, why make a developed and great melee system just for each and every ranged option to be brutally overpowered?????

[thorny nebula]

Pls remove "under 15" lobbies. They are pointless. Level 2 still running into fully geared teams because of the new vendor items lol.

[narrow blaze]

More boxes/bags for stash management would be amazing

[warm roost]

add 1 or 2 red portals into goblin caves, and if u take them, you end up in the next high roller lobby for free

[merry kestrel]

hey guys if you like playing fighter but think the perks/skills could use some tuning (and hate having to run second wind/sprint 24/7), please vote on this

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/496879/fighter-skillperk-revisions

[signal yew]

+all stat should be removed along with strength stat getting split into 2 separate ones for hp/dmg

[echo belfry]

Has anyone suggested the perk "Silent Hands" yet? A perk for rogues to make it possible to open all containers/doors etc really silent and also to almost make no sound when you do other things with your hands like drinking a potion or swapping weapons... It would all still make a little sound, but the radius in which it can be heard is very small. What do you guys think?

[merry kestrel]

this should just be included in pickpocket or hide. stop trying to perk bloat rogue, a lot of them could probably be condensed or included in skills

not that you're trying to perk bloat rogue, but right now it's got TOO MANY perks. a lot of them ought to be condensed and balance should be found without needing a perk to "make something better"

[echo belfry]

Yes, you are right. Maybe add it to Hidden Pockets? And you would consider the suggestion a good one?

[merry kestrel]

i think it's flavorful to rogue but it should have a home somewhere in an existing perk

[gusty lily]

I think the changes were in a good direction.
Next thing (apart from a friendlist) would be 3:3 random search to find mates and could it be elo based please? 😄

[restive gazelle]

Bad idea bro it's not an Arena yet

[merry kestrel]

Oil Lanterns (and only Oil Lanterns) should reveal invisible players

[spring knoll]

Lockpicks should be buyable from the woodsmith as one of the guarentee buy items

[warm roost]

remove melee swinging movement speed penalty from game, or reduce it.

[crude aspen]

the gold removed from the big bag is 10 out of 10? and Coin Chest too?

[cobalt sail]

paper beats rock...

[stuck perch]

Here's a quick suggestion that came up. It's a minor thing, but one that I think would mesh well with the barbarian's class identity.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497486/barbarians-twohanded-mastery-perk-revision

[steep tartan]

what does this mean? I want to block attacks and stab people

[cobalt sail]

use warlock with a longsword, confirmed OP

[steep tartan]

I want to block people and stab them, not spend 30 minutes grinding PVE and chasing down rangers and mages all game

Every warlock i see doesnt even use longsword in combat, even if they bloody have one

[cobalt sail]

dont chase ranged opponents and buy a longsword

get good with it, start running naked and stabbing people in the head

with longsword you can block them then counterattack but its a skillshot

[restive gazelle]

Longsword is busted when master you gotta learn it

[fervent tundra]

There definitely needs to be a new inventory tab for crafting items, things like ore, skulls, grave essence, ect.

it just takes up too much room in normal inventory

[elfin vigil]

Yup

[potent crag]

I think that to be more customizable the build, i think that you should rebalance the skins, like are all orcs, (HP Physical power) most of it because of the hp because you only lose 1 agi for hp, in other game that i played they give like a purpose to decide to use that like this
Orc: +1 STR -1 agi -1WILL (loosing magical power also for the benefit of hp and physical)
Elf: -1 STR +1agi +1will (know if you are mage u think about to be elf and loose some hp for more magical and also movement speed)
you can change the indicators in my thinking they should be
Orc: +2STR -2AGI -3WILL (slower atack speed and movement but if you enter in his range one hit is much stronger)
Elf: -1STR (diferencial of 3 for orc) +2AGI +2WILL
For this is more drastical change for the choosing class depending of your gear/gamestyle

[next lintel]

Druid should be able to use plant magic, maybe a spell where vines or something grow on the ground in a certain area to slow opponents movement

Some minor heals too

[nimble haven]

Here to throw in an idea of an ironman type mode, basically lobbies without tradeing....essentially like the 15 below lobbies but past level 15

[celest pagoda]

Hot take Remove slow on all ranged weapons and we good 👍

[gusty lily]

I wish we had a 3:3 random search finding team mates would be so easy. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497479/add-3vs3-random-que

[last geyser]

Idea for an item: Craftable boots with faster move speed than usual and an ability to double jump while wearing them, they can be called Hermes Boots and can craft them with wings from a demon bat

[stoic crypt]

IDEA FOR CRAFT ITEMS. PLEASE MAKE THEM A 10X STACK OR SOMETHING ? LIKE THE CLOTHS AND TONGUES WORMS AND ESSENCE PLEASE ❤️

[celest pagoda]

Shit better cost 15k gold and every item in the game to craft

[stoic crypt]

IDEA FOR ITEMS: make it that if you want to upgrade a item you use some items like something similar to candy ( i know candy is seasonal ) something similar to that to br able to use them to upgrade a item. BUT there is a catch to this. you will see a percentage or upgrade. so there is a chance you lose the item if it fails to upgrade

[midnight timber]

Remove Wizard from the game, not fun to play and terrible experience to play against.

[frosty agate]

Nerf Warlock

[frosty agate]

They are fine.

[obtuse lichen]

Wizard sucks against barb

[small furnace]

Real, I tried stockpiling some items for crafting but they just take up way too much room, especially pelts and skulls. Just gotta sell them immediately.

[vague shell]

Day 6 of waiting for Cleric nerf

[last geyser]

If you lose your kit to storm there should be a way to repurchase your kit only after the round or maybe even just a few of the ideas selected at random.

[last geyser]

Items*

[zealous thorn]

This game feels bad when you have constant teams with absurd gear coming into normals and just rolling everyone. There is nothing you can do. No counterplay. Just death.

[bleak dagger]

why nerfing clerics? Its actually barbs causing huge problems right now.

[zealous thorn]

Heres my suggestion. Create a gear score system and have two tiers in normals. Example: 0-100 and 101-200.

[flat barn]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492801/mode-change-suggestions my suggestion for it

[bleak dagger]

Can ppl please stop this gearscore bullshit

[strong grotto]

Can stompers stop their elitism protection bullshit? No one wants to be an NPC for some "chad" who logs in his full purples gear to stomp on defaults, because his self esteem is so low.

[granite plinth]

Wizards staff has so much dmg, i killed a barb with it

[bleak dagger]

ofc not, but a gearscore would not be the solution. There need to be an incentive for these people to go somewhere else than normal.

[vague shell]

how? clerics are the problem... one spell half hp back and they have also good pvp

[bleak dagger]

the problem is that they are the only "healer" class in the game right now.

[vague shell]

make them heal like fighters ability not instant

literally if you dont have cleric you lose

[bleak dagger]

So assume you are not running a cleric. What is your composition then? There should be at least 1 spare guy to keep the cleric occupied and prevent him from healing.
But yes, Cleric is pretty much mandatory. But again: it's because he is the only viable support class now.

[strong grotto]

Incentive this, incentive that, incentivize my... You get the point.
It seems to me that you all are so high somewhere, that can't even comprehend a simple FACT, and that is: the main incentive to go and stomp defaults is... TO GO AND STOMP DEFAULTS. You may as well promise for everyone geared up to pay a 100$ for every time they go in HR to compete against people in the same weight class, and they will STILL go to normals. Because it is EASY, it is SAFE, it is PROFITABLE, it is STROKING THEIR EGO, and, the most importantly, IT IS ALLOWED. This game will die in flames if that crap is to continue. No one is having fun when he doesn't have a chance in PvP because of the gear gap. NO ONE.

[somber wind]

Yeah they did slap Bard in the face with the power of Zeus so it's not an alternative without being super geared. That said we do have Artificer, Druid, Monk, Paladin and Sorcerer coming in the future and I can imagine each of those providing some support with Artificer and Paladin being the most direct support due to their identity (assuming Paladin gets their Auras).

Druid would also likely have some heals I'd imagine.

[bleak dagger]

and you really think restrictions and prohibtions would solve any problem, right?

[bleak dagger]

yeah I hope so. Like the old wow druid heal rotation would be awesome.

[somber wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497429/modifier-rebalance

[abstract swallow]

Kinda wild that we still have gearscore coping after two rarity squishes, an armor overhaul, a no-trade carebear queue, and a patch showing just how boring it would be for everyone to be equal on gear.

[somber wind]

Don't forget the Talent Tree when we do get it will likely change alot of this for the better. It's their original reason why they said "We didn't intend to balance the game into the last quarter of early access" but they ended up having to do it early due to it harming the game too much.

[strong grotto]

If you don't provide an equal playing field and not watching over the rules to be followed - any game and society is turning into a tyranny of haves and have nots, with those who have the advantage will spend their ever living moment to keep those on the bottom to stay that way. You want a fair competition? ENFORCE THE RULES. You want all out? Enjoy your game dying.

[somber wind]

THIS I suggested splitting Level 14 and lower from Level 15 and higher as an alternative to placate since gearscore would put the game down like old yeller.

[vague shell]

I mean cleric should get slightly nerfed for sure tho. his judgement and spells are good and also he is pretty tanky as well. only downside is his speed. and the instant heal is honestly too much. also my composition was wizard/fighter (I know duo in trios but whatever) and we were fcking up lots of geared trios unless they had cleric. So now we kind of switched playstyle and went double ranger so those fckers wont even get close to us. (also OP class)

[bleak dagger]

You are suggesting socialism to be the solution. It's not.

[abstract swallow]

Don't placate these people, you should know better.
Give an inch, they'll take a mile.
Just look at how badly "it's just a solo map" spiraled out of control.

[bleak dagger]

so why not inviting a cleric to your comp? Can't complain of you are forcing 2v3

[somber wind]

Oh 100%, I had a secondary reason for 14 and lower being seperated which was mostly so people joining mid-season wouldn't get reamed. This would matter when seasons are actually 3 months like planned post release. Tarkov is a nightmare to join during the last month for example and just not worth playing if you hadn't been playing that season, this solves it somewhat giving people an ease in.

[vague shell]

I mean I understand but I still feel like cleric does too much and is very versatile. He also doesnt rly have that many counters to him. Ranger is good but I think ranger is also OP

[bleak dagger]

he has enough counters. Try it yourself. There are many things so utterly annoying for cleric where you can't do shit about. But I habe to admit cleric is strong right now, at least in trios.

[vague shell]

I mean this is kind of true. They should make some grey gear lobby where you get very little gold and everything is cracked (like a scav run) so you can farm up at least to a green gear. And with greens you are able to defend yourself against geared players. grey gear is just too trash to even go into any kind of fight

[vague shell]

which counters? I am genuinely asking I am kind of new into the game. If I pushed the cleric with fighter. His bros did everything to defend him. Only counter against him are ranged weapons. Rogue I think used to be okay counter but rogue is basically fcked rn

[bleak dagger]

wizards and rangers mock the shit out of cleric. If you have a fighter,barb or rogue in your face you can pretty much give up if no teammate rushes to help you out. If he runs out of spells he is just a walking metal scrap.

[strong grotto]

Ah, now you try to shove politics in here? OK, here's the politician PoV, pure capitalism laws. Ever heard about Pareto principle? "The square root of the number of participants reliably produce roughly 50 percent of the results". Which is applied to everything, really. So, as you are not able to look past your own nose forward, I will explain how it applies here.
You have 1000 people playing. out of those 1000 people only 35-ish will be able to have more than 50% extraction rate and, as such, to accumulate wealth, gold, relics. All others, that is 965 people are in the perpetual state of "chasing the dream" and are all extracting below 50% of times, so they constantly LOSE income and, as such, a WILL TO PLAY. We separate those and apply the principle again. out of those 965 only 31~ will be able to be decent enough with their sub 50% extraction rates and lucky finds. 934 of other people are tired of being constantly in a state of NPC and leave the game. Because, unlike the real life, you CAN just go and chose something else to have your money to provide you with entertainment and recreation. Do you really think, that the game will be able to survive, when it looses 934 people out of every 1000 it was able to attract due to marketing and streamers? GOOD F-G LUCK.

Drive this into your thick skulls - if you don't provide anything for those on the lower level of the pyramid, its foundation crumbles and the whole construction destroys itself. IT IS A LAW OF UNIVERSE. There was not a single multiplayer game that left everyone to their own devices following that mythical "fool loot hard-core PvP" that survived without providing an equal grounds and easy opportunities to climb. Because ANY game requires NUMBERS. And not some square root of that number on top, who is too afraid to let anyone to climb on their level, not even to mention to go down themselves.
DISMISSED.

[bleak dagger]

I am not shoving in politics; it's economical principles I (and you were) talking about
I know the Pareto Principle, but I cannot see where you provided any idea how to tackle it in this game.
I don't understand, why you are getting rude over this. You are just wrong, that's all.

[small furnace]

Hahaha "Why are you getting rude over this" from the internet troll, ok.

[bleak dagger]

yeah everyone who is not supporting your oppinion is a troll. It's okay, lad.

[small furnace]

No, just you, you're a very special boy.

[bleak dagger]

your profile is a fckin anime dragon; that appears like some 'special boy' characteristic to me.

[small furnace]

Nah I'm nothin special, just a furry :3

[bleak dagger]

yeah just a fcin creep, as i expected.

[small furnace]

That is you, indeed uwu

[strong grotto]

HOW am I wrong? If you allow gear gap to exist in normal mode, if you don't protect those, who simply want to farm gold and resources to finally at least TRY and go in HR, but instead you let them be a fuel to feed those, who ALREADY have their gold and resources, you will only create even more gap between those too and will simply force them to leave in the different game. SIMPLE. DAMN. LOGIC. If you can't follow it - then you actually are unable to look forward past your own nose, and then I have only three more things to say: 1 - I pity you, 2 - I am impressed you are able to type, 3 - I am disappointed I've wasted this much time on someone that thick in their skull.
I am done with you. Have a good day.

[granite plinth]

skill issue, get good or get off

[strong grotto]

Blocked. Also, just FYI, if the game will not follow this simple demand of providing an equal opportunity to gain wealth - people will "get off". And you will play alone. Though, I can imagine you only play alone, IRL as well.

[bleak dagger]

I didn't say you are wrong about it. It appears to me you are trying to put words in my mouth, that your arguments seem reasonable. I know it's the problem. I was just saying that you didn't come up with any solution for this problem what so ever. Just complaining on your part, like someone on the lower bracket of the hierarchy.

[granite plinth]

I love it when the low IQ unskilleds block me

[bleak dagger]

and here you go again: If everybody would have 'equal' terms to build 'equal' wealth (however this might look in your head; it's just a dreamworld imagination without any realistic equivalent) there would be no wealth. Everybody would just be equally poor. Your are talking about socialism all the time.

And by the way: you are projecting. You are the one being "thick in their skull."

[left charm]

They said they were going to change the environment, but in the end, the Barbarians, clerics, and birds are so powerful that nothing has changed in the environment.
It's time to stop this environment.

[lusty crystal]

Do you call pizza with just cheese on it cheese pizza or a plain slice?

[small furnace]

Well talking about the 'environment' I think it's real weird they said they wanted to slow down combat and then made gear way stronger and time to kill way lower in mid-late game.

[bleak dagger]

At least I can agree you on that.

[small furnace]

I think we agree on most things I'm just miffed about the other interaction where you trolled me >:(

[blissful crane]

CLERIC - Must get a prayer, similar to meditate for the Wizard, so Cleric can get spells back faster.

[granite plinth]

teabag emote when

also warlocks being able to drain health is way too op, especially because they can drain health off hydras

[summer wraith]

You can ALWAYS get a grey spellbook from merchant
You can ALWAYS get grey longbow from merchant
You can ALMOST NEVER get grey melee weapons from merchant

Why?

[jolly zinc]

Allow us to trade for free between our different characters. People already do this through other means and it just means they gain an unfair advantage over people like me who play solo and already have a lot of disadvantage. And please don't listen to the people who will say no to this change only because they can trade with their friends or who have bought extra copies of the game. This change just makes sense please do this asap, thank you. One thing that would make sense is to be able to trade with a character, it needs to be level 15 to avoid being able to use the trade without properly leveling up first.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497526/trading-between-level-15-characters

[fresh belfry]

Please add a "sell all from personnal inventory" shortcut to the collector. we can stash anything for crafting before pressing it. but it's getting a bit old to click each item every time

[stark cosmos]

Bro some of y’all are so soft it’s insane

[stark cosmos]

LMFAO U ARE A SNOWFLAKE

[strong grotto]

LMFAO U ARE A STUPID

[stark cosmos]

HAHAHA

Bro is screaming at the keyboard, it’s insane

[forest osprey]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497530/avoiding-and-mitigating-damage

[ionic bobcat]

heavy boots should not have more AR than plate, wtf

[cosmic flicker]

Hello, i sadly realized that its nearly unplayable in the normal dungeon :/... Its full with highroller so u dont even have the chance to reach the red portal without any gear. So my question is... why is that possible? It should only be possible to entry the highroller dungeon with full gear but not the normal one. Is there any possibility to fix that? i know its hard but would be great. We like this game very much and trying to do the bosses and stuff but like i said its not even possible for us to reach the red portal anymore.
Maybe u have any Idea to fix that. I thought about something like .. its only possible to waer green stuff in the normal dungeon without necklaces and rings. For sure u can waer it when u find it but u cant enter the dungeon with it.

[swift pecan]

Survival bow, windlass crossbows and throwing weapons should be the only non magic ranged damage. #changemymind

[ivory quartz]

I'm not sure what you mean, I was playing earlier today with a friend in crypts, and we extracted 7/10 games we played, and we never had a single item higher than green quality no rings or necklaces. Now I will admit we didnt take many fights, but that was the point we sized up people that looked like chads and bailed the moment we saw them. Worked well and we made a good profit playing only whites in the post 15 queue.

[void remnant]

they need chest options like in marauders especially with all the new crafting tarkov had backpacks you could use but what we got nothing besides an overflown inventory with making a bank character reliant on friends that doesnt sound like a successful game to me

[ivory quartz]

people have been asking for incerased stash space for a while. The devs seem hesitant to add it. They may purposely be trying to limit how much we can hoard. to try and encourage us to use or sell gear rather than just sit on it.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzthen i see greed as good as a better option because at least inventory space is across all characters and gold stacks to 30

@ivory quartzthis game trys to play like RS with trade and w/e but most of us are adults and work 40+ hours a week we legit do not have time for all this extra bs like the trade system and trying to make bank characters fr

[ivory quartz]

Well I mean that is your perogative then, but I think of all things to quit this game over the stash size is prob the most silly.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzkinda disagree because i wouldnt actually quit i would go idle and wait till they make the real changes for adults and not children

if you have to spend extra time out of game doing anything besides legit playing the game itself its not a great game might be good but not the best

[ivory quartz]

The limited stash size effects players who put in alot of hours more, if you don't play like 10-20 hours a week because you have a job, then I don't see how you are running into the stash problem.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzwell i just escaped over 25 times in a row and my inventory almost full at lvl 14 with over 1200g

[ivory quartz]

Is your complaint about stash size? or is the complaint about the trade system? Because those are two seperate issues.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzlegit cant even trade the shit i want to cuz im not 15 but still on my other character i had to sell all my extremely large craftables because they dont stack and took up too much space

@ivory quartzlegit both they both are legit ass and GiG does it 100% better

@ivory quartzidle trading larger inventory is all im asking

[ivory quartz]

Well I recomend you move up to post lvl 15 queue then, it sounds like you are quite good at the game and would be able to compete there well. What I recomend for the game is that you start consolidating loot sell your mid gear and only keep your absolute best to start making BIS sets. as for the gold start buying stores of value items IE candy corn or gold ingots, those items take up less storage space but can reliably trade for gold coins if you ever need liquid capital.

[void remnant]

mptoralmost all my character are 15 but doesnt fix the fact that if you want to save crafting materials it not gonna eat up all ur space unless you make a bank character i just feel like you not experienced enough to feel my pain ngl.

[ivory quartz]

I suspect they will prob do a stash expansion in the future, or add items like tarkov where you can expand the stash buy purchasing some super high value item. They already added some of those with the big coin pouch and the new coin chest. It just seems as though that is not a priority.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzyeah but they honestly should have made it so craftables stack because atm that is legit the biggest issue

why i need 4 4x4 to craft and item and holding up a 16x16 space that is a huge chunk

1200 g takes up 2 rows and now they want me to solo a troll on characters that are best at it to trade it over to my other character aka friend reliant

[ivory quartz]

This I agree with, you should be able to stack intact skulls and grave essence. They prob will make a change like that honestly given how much Mats you need to actually make anything. What I would recemond doing for now is selling your crafting materials. Sell all your grave essence all your skulls and bones and then consolidate that gold into a few gold ingots. You should be able to turn that entire stash of mats into a 2x2 stack of gold ingots. Then when you are ready to actually craft something just sell the ingots and rebuy the mats.

[void remnant]

like i would love to see a mage kill the troll before he runs out of spells fr

and that is just for a chance for the troll hide only a chance

[ivory quartz]

Cant wiz just take off clothes and solo troll with magic sword, and not even use spells? I haven't tried it on wiz, but I assumed every class can just beat the boss naked.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzgeared maybe but warlock and rogue can do it base gear starting items

and i would personally say warlock is the easiest to kill it with curses and hellfire

[ivory quartz]

I know those two classes can, I saw a fighter is greys beat it once, I just assumed every class could, but I guess you might need a sprint or really high base Movespeed like rogue. Lock can do it by just staying in the sweet spot range. I guess wiz might have a to hard a time without gear to actually kill it. Sad if that is the case.

[void remnant]

@ivory quartzim sure every class can but speed also a factor there is a circle so a mage with a staff cant do it most of the time because dps so badd

that vs all the other classes isnt good maybe if the mage had a mana bar he would do a lot better ngl

having spell counts on each spell is legit limiting the balancing of this game but the numerals are to heavy in that way why mana and spell cost to mana makes it more simplistic

[ivory quartz]

Well I think they want to keep the spell limits, because that is how it is in D&D with the daily cast limit and such. But you are prob correct. There is a reason that the mana bar replaced spell limits in every single RPG.

[void remnant]

i just feel like they are taking Dungeons and dragon and trying to make it real time but spell costs on spells make way more sense when its turn base rather then real time. i butchered that i meant mana makes more sense because spell counting makes more sense in turn base

[lean topaz]

Make less portals but make it so that each portal is for one team (sorta like the red portals) so everyone can extract together if they want

[void remnant]

@lean topazi also want that at least on the last portal friends are trying to leave the game together and stay as long as possible and if they dont it will kill the game like how monoploy did with friendships ngl

[lean topaz]

It’s the one thing I liked better on tarkov, the fact that you don’t have to choose which teamates get out first and you can all get out together if you want.

[void remnant]

@lean topazmaybe they just need exit points

@lean topazwhat if they just had everyone start of in the middle like in hunger games that would be kinda funny would make people want to go in more geared more often

would be chaos but i think i would enjoy it lol

[lean topaz]

Wouldt work here bc the zone comes in unlike tarkov so the portals are fine. I just think teams should be able to extract together. If you clear a lobby should never be in a situation where one of you can’t get out bc not enough exits. However I feel like they increased the number of portals for the last portal spawn recently.

[void remnant]

@lean topaznah you can zone it out other ways besides circle to center you can zone it or keep it same size and move the zone

i think MW did that in a way

in hunger games they just made it so you started off and pushed you in circles before it closed to mid

[lean topaz]

I’m just sayin to make it so teams can get out together. Static extracts would be hard w a zone and ppl would camp them like crazy so it would be bad imo for this game. Portals are fine just make it 2 or 3 man portals depending on game mode

[void remnant]

@lean topazyeah but i also like the fact that it shows there true colors i dont think all blues should do that i think just the last one because usually everyone went to hell or escaped or died. but like if you open 3 of the last portals and someone steals it then now someone has to go into the darkness and finds a new one

also if they did that there would be a lot more people in mid and a lot of people would be mad because then no one making it out with gear. maybe if they fixed sound first? cuz its like i hear it over here but its in a way dif place

[lean topaz]

I would also suggest offering a real money reward of at least $1000 for anyone who can show the devs how they were able to dupe gold and other items. Bring the exploiters on your side by paying them more than they would make ruining the game. You win bc ur game is better and they win too. And we all win.

[granite plinth]

we dont negotiate with terrorists

[strong grotto]

Ah, that is the so called "tiers of equipment" crap. Yeah. On a certain "rarity" level paper will beat the stone in this game. I can't understand why it is so hard for devs to comprehend, that the difference between tiers should be like 1 point of armor or damage, with the main difference being enchantments. Green - 1 enchantment, blue - 2 enchantments and so on.

[atomic whale]

you gonna pay that?

[lean topaz]

Its worth them investigating to see if it’s worth it. It could be very well worth it for them to pay $X if it will mean they can prevent it from happening. Duping/cheating can ruin games and cost them millions in the long Run. I don’t know their financial situation although I think they generated around $4-5M from the early access money. But regardless probably worth it for them to at least look into doing something like this.

[tribal marlin]

shield bash on fighter should have a longer cooldown but allow you to knock people over like the bird does in ruins

[spring hamlet]

they still have natural in game bugs as is. plus they already have testers. they shouldnt have to pay someone to show them a glitch if they already have a decent community. someone should just show them for the love of the game and community so its fixed and lets players who actually enjoy the game enjoy it with out meeting people who have a back hand way to get "better"

like my biggest irritating bug rn is finding a blue portal at the last stretch of circle inside the dark swarm and not being able to interact with the damn thing. its happened to me 4 times already. today ill catch that bs on stream or on a recording.

[bleak dagger]

Does someone else has the bug that the Lich' Curse of Gathering and Solitude explode way too fast? Like 2 seconds max instead of 5. It's only on my Cleric thus far.

[bleak dagger]

its because someone took it already. sometimes it doesnt disappear for others.

[radiant oar]

I stopped playing wipe already. Stash is more full than its every been and I just have no incentive to play for loot anymore lol. 3 stack ranger in like a ton of high roller lobbies, we rarely ever died. This wipe lasted so short in my opinion cause the gear was basically free from merchants. I was able to get insane greens/blues from merchants for dirt cheap by comparison to what a player would charge.

[gusty oyster]

Must be fun at parties.

[obtuse rover]

that is so true, i was rogue killed cleric with handcrossbow, he couldnt do anything because he is so slow, tried to catch me failed retreated, hit him with bleed, repeat

[glossy totem]

Remove +2 attribute please. It creates to big of a difference between bis geared players and non bis.

[spring hamlet]

thats super poopy but either way still a bug worth addressing

[mossy barn]

instead of adding more ways for rogue to build weapon damage one shot stealth builds that not even rogues like, remove half his perks and add subclass related perks for swashbuckler.phantom,arcane trickster,thief and parry rogues

[sand breach]

Weaponsmith to sell grey longswords again, you have grey most other weapons spellbooks etc why not longsword?

[restive gazelle]

no more steel

[sand breach]

not enough steel for longsword but steel for zweihanders xd

[restive gazelle]

yeah bro they gotta focus the production

[bleak dagger]

because there are like 20 slots for 25 different weapons at the weaponsmith.

[sand breach]

so theres a chance grey ls will be sold?

[idle moat]

Game was fun. till they reverted rouge changes

[sand breach]

ye so much W+S

[spring mango]

the real people use W + D/A

[sand breach]

dont need to

W+S will do if ur a rogue cuz 5 million movespeed

[restive gazelle]

delusionnal

[sand breach]

how does this answer me

[bleak dagger]

it's math bro. Thats the answer.

[cobalt sail]

gather 25+ event currency on all characters
regularly check the shop for god rolls and post screenshots of still unpurchased goods in trade
get rich

[bleak dagger]

yeah it's really stupid. The JackO is destroying the economy

[cobalt sail]

precisely the point

[bleak dagger]

same with crafting and ingot gear. Just hold it until there is eventually a god roll. Not on the same level though.
They stated they removed epics from the vendors, because epics should matter. Same sentence they introduce JackO with even more epics. Guess what happened: epics are worthless now and there are so little legendaries (with random rolls) that these doesn't even matter.
The last "hotfix" really messed up the game in so many ways.

[cobalt sail]

early access phase is working as intended

[bleak dagger]

I mean if they really wanted they could have made candy drops HR exclusive. Maybe that would have incentivised people to go HR. Now there is even less motivation to do so.

and btw; why buying shit from the goblin merchant (except rings maybe) when you can literally see what you get on the other merchants?

[vivid warren]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497582/current-gear-gap-will-kill-the-game-and-here-is-why pls do something devs

[lean topaz]

this happened to me the othe5r day too. bad bug they nee dto fix that i had a lot of gear on me too

[pallid sleet]

I just died to this after outplaying multiple 3 mans to get to a blue, was such a sad death, have it clipped cause that bug is awful

[spring hamlet]

yea i had played a duo ruins run and had some decent loot on me and hid from 4 squads walking past me while i was in a dark corner. (my warlock buddy died) and i followed them slowly watched them all escaped panic ran for a portal found one but couldnt interact with it AT ALL. it was highly annoying even my teamate was yelling "bullshit" even if its a visual glitch like the 1 guy said. "someone else already took that portal it was just a visual for you" thats still a really crappy bug and should be addressed. its happneed more than 1 time to me. thinking i was lucky enough to find a portal in the swarm at the end and not being able to open it

[restive gazelle]

they also should give it more time in case their is a rat camping and their is a last fight at the last portal

[spring hamlet]

I reported the bug too. but im not sure my report was much good because i wasnt recording or streaming at the time so i had literally no clips of it sadly

[granite plinth]

Fix your terrible, laggy ass servers