suggestion-discussion

[silver dock]

198ms slower is not slight. The sword is only about 20ms faster on the attack, which that is actually slight, but still about 50ms slower on recovery. Sweet spots can be argued for a single length but longer spot vs a smaller but much more forward spot.

But like I said if it turns meta then good on you. but right now it doesnt seem that way. Tell me who the top barb mains are so I can see for myself what they do and say

[dusky glade]

Well whatever works for u rn I haven't been wiped since using the viking sword for like 5 days now beating geared teams with ease, I would still probably do the same with a horsemans but the Vikings feels a lot better

[dense nebula]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492179/purple-gear-above-locked-to-hr-lobbies-only

[dusky glade]

That doesn't fix anything blues and greens with good rolls are way more powerful than purples and legendaries with shit rolls

[storm echo]

a monk class would go so hard

[kind galleon]

Nerf Ranger?

[craggy gazelle]

Revert Hatchet

[silver dock]

u may have a point. it really does feel good, Used it and just straigh up beat another barb who used the axe

[silver dock]

Nvm i literally took out a 3rd of the dungeon with the axe. Both are good but the axe seems much smoother

[swift spear]

Take away player trading and expand the merchant offerings. Literally the best way to balance the game I bet when it comes to loot disparety

[abstract swallow]

because that's exactly what a PvPvE looter needs
Even less reasons to loot and interact with other players

[elfin vigil]

Imagine getting skill issued by someone and asking for it to be censored 🤣 my guy are you ok ?

[echo wharf]

nerf the shitter class that is rogue

[elfin vigil]

You think they should ban every one that answers skill issue ?

How do we deal with all the child rage in the general chat then ?

Ahahahaha lmfao ok dude censor everyone and everything until ur in a box of emptiness. Life comes with goods and bad good luck with these.

Aight you must be trolling but I will respect you on that.

[kind galleon]

Rogue nerf wen?

[echo dome]

halloween candy and merchant for halloween

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486846/add-classic-elf-girl-to-the-store Consider upvoting, they changed the elf girl face from the one I bought at launch. I just want the current one AND the old one to both exist as options.** -Also I have a comparison image I can DM.**

[unique locust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488817/weapon-on-weapon-collision go vote if you agree

[scarlet temple]

GIVE BARD A HARMONICA

[drowsy bramble]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486048/cooperative-map

CO-OP mode

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat

[hallow acorn]

I see that you have never met teams on Goblin Caves. There you can team up with others to kill Cave Troll, but i don't know what to think about the one exit portal for all players type of game mechanic.

[lilac herald]

DM please?

[jagged flicker]

[quiet gorge]

Make lightning strike not fail, but shoot at max range when you look forward
Very unreliable spell atm 😦
How it calculates the aim and all, I've had it go off 90 degrees left of me a few times.

[echo dome]

it would be nice if i could pop second wind while the shield is up

[drowsy bramble]

well but a game mode based on coop i think can be a lot interessed

[hallow acorn]

what do you mean by coop...? if you give players chance to turn on each other via friendly fire, then there will be players that will farm others for gear and won't coop...

[drowsy bramble]

Maybe at the end but the first part of this mode they must cooperate to deafeat enemies

[hallow acorn]

there will be players that won't do that when you ask them nicely... their only incentive can be that they will ruin someone's day... then you would have to ban those people even though there is friendly fire enabled...

[frail quest]

make warlock phantom shift cancelable

[rose orbit]

They need a lot more stealth detection in-game. that would solve a lot. another balance to rogue is force their ambush to where they have to actually be in stealth for 2.5 - 5 seconds and not just a blink in then out. It is a bit too strong for them to just pop an ability for .003 seconds and get 50% damage?!? Makes the name "Ambush" seem to be named wrongly as it is never used in such a manner.

[lilac herald]

Could we get more active information on what is being worked on beyond the Bard/Warlock re-works/balances? I'd love to know if we are getting a Friends List or how far it's from implementation, any changes/features that the devs feel like they wish to implement and could possibly give the Community a chance to vote on such features

[marsh rover]

does chaf launcher have voip?

[gritty parcel]

Sugestion: When you sit back up from resting, it only takes away a % of recoverable/grey health (it could be 50% lets say.) Having to stand up with a lot of recoverable health due to mobs, players, or even zone just sucks. Now that bandages ONLY affect recoverable health, and its impossible to use anything when sitting. I feel like this change would be nice. This would also help classes with a large hp pool, that can't get 100% hp back from a basic campfire, and have to sit for another 30-40 seconds. Not sure how people will feel about this change, but im sure that everyone has experienced this at least a few times.

[hallow acorn]

Please be patient, I know what you mean, but there is the issue of legal stuff that the SMALL studio is going through... They are currently battling cheaters and improving their anti-cheat as they have stated 2 weeks ago... (#📢announcements message)
Because of that things for next major update are being pushed further... I would say that there could be improvement on this given at least a month...

[nova dagger]

BIG NERF TO ROGUES

[trim maple]

BUFF ROGUES THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK WHILE INVIS LIKE WIZARD|

[gleaming rivet]

XD

[urban apex]

there should be no way a barb can two hit me in full blue+green armor with a grey weapon dude what the fuck

[urban apex]

theres a perk for that

[rose orbit]

Perhaps Gold should not be a physical item once put into Stash after being brought out of dungeon. It could have it read out at the bottom of your Inventory how it is now, but no longer taking up space for items. In Trades just have an "Add Gold" button to take the place of moving gold physically. A "Gold Bag" inventory area would also be nice for cosmetic appeal as to see your gathered wealth rather, and still not take space away from Gear, or make it an Item that takes up 2x2 space and holds 500 - 1000 coins make them a rare found in game only type item so people want to hold on to them?

[ivory pasture]

for god damn quality of life for every one - ADD pop up that tells the people that they dont have 15g for the trade!

[chilly oasis]

A spyglass for seeing farther. Goes in the 3/4 slot, and when you aim, you xoom 4x. Lets you see what sort of gear/class people have.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492240/a-spyglasstelescope

[rose orbit]

Please do some sort of balance toward Rogue, I am seeing tons, and I mean TONS of Duo, Trio Rogue Naked Groups taking out fully geared "balanced" teams. I ran 10 solo runs in duo just to test it out and killed self to spectate. Almost half the lobby is a Naked Duo Rogue team... Something should scream unbalanced at this point... Ambush needs a build up time before activation, 2 - 3.5 secs before it kicks in. Not much of an Ambush if there is no prep to it... More just a Buff?

[gentle rapids]

Ambush needs a change

[storm blade]

U know fighter is trash

[storm blade]

Friends list is coming. They were banking on steam for friends list.

[ruby sonnet]

Hello, fellow bards, but also music enjoyers! I am very passionate about this class but I believe there is a big problem: the current meta is to play songs in such a way that it sounds worse. Here is my suggestion to change that.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472948/bard-music-should-sound-better-when-you-get-good

[lilac herald]

Ah, that makes sense, thanks for the info.

[white dragon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492242/fix-cleric-skills

[dull steppe]

is casting buffs/spells on corpses intended?

[wind lagoon]

HIGH ROLLER RUINS WILL MAKE THE GAME 100X BETTER THEN IT ALREADY IS

[short breach]

Yea i agree, make it so we hear the footsteps too

[green bloom]

17 people signed!!

[keen jacinth]

DarkartG and the ranger he is playing with are cheating. Wish I got video proof. I really hope this game doesn't end up like Escape From Tarkov

[hushed lichen]

did u report him ingame?

[keen jacinth]

@hushed lichen Yes of course, I'm just feeling petty because I just got off work and first game on I get obviously cheated on. ESP/aimbot. I forgot to open medal:(

[barren mica]

PLEASE REVERT SWARM UPDATE. IT IS NOT RIGHT WHEN THE GAME LASTS 10 MINS AND THE 10 SQUARE METERS CIRCLE HITS AT 5 MINUTES.

[jade fossil]

Yes, they are still an entity on the game
And you can do some pretty funny shit, such as chain lightning a corpse to make is bounce to someone in the corner

[dull steppe]

ik about CL but I feel like you shouldnt be able to cast things like invis on corpses

[real trellis]

Remove rogues from the game. There's no reason a rogue should do 50+ damage on a bodyshot with a blue dagger.

[ivory quartz]

hillarious, practice more you should regularly being doing that much per swing with your falchion.

[azure bay]

How about capes being able to be found in HR only. That would make it more valuable to go there, and would make normals with less capes

[ivory quartz]

Might be a good idea to encourage HR play,

[azure bay]

They should seriously nerf the gear quality in normals. Too much blue can be found there. If more gear is moved to HR it would populate them as well as fix the gear inflation in meantime

[sweet ermine]

add matchmaking that you cant use trade market at all i hate making new accs as soon as i hit lvl 15

[glacial sphinx]

HR drops like 20x as much already, they should nerf that to fix gear inflation tbh. The reason people dont go there is the fee and leaderboard race

[junior minnow]

Ambush should not do that much damage we are gonna reward rouges for playing like cowards?!?

[sweet ermine]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492265/suggestion-add-seperate-matchmaking-for-people-that-dont-want-to-use-trade-marke

upvote this please

[ivory quartz]

Ambush does the appropraite ammount of damage. If the rogue didnt kill you in those two hits you would have just killed him. Offense is the rogues only defense. The way you beat rogue is by being aware of your surroundings.

[white dragon]

whats the problem with trade market

[ivory quartz]

Some people are of the misconception that removing trading will remove gear disparity. They are of course wrong without trading low skilled and medium skilled players will be unable to obtain even middling power kits and the Top 10% sweats and streamers that can solo hell and high roller in greys will just stomp everyone else with their giga chad sets and face even less resistance than they do now, because even getting a blue dagger will be difficult for everyone else

[sweet ermine]

I dont like the current trade market system aka above lvl 15 matchmaking which introduces the trade market, also trade market matchmaking wouldnt be removed entirely there would still be a separate trade market matchmaking, me and my friends plus people I have played with like playing without trademarket aka under lvl 15 matchmaking way more then the other one because there arent so many full geared sweats stomping the whole lobby. There would also probably way less cheaters if the didnt have gear as an incentive.

[sweet ermine]

Getting loot has been easy in below lvl 15 matchmaking, another idea is that traders would sell better loot in the no trade market matchmaking, it would really help if you could read all the ideas in my post and pinpoint exactly which ideas you disagree with and why.

[glacial moon]

Nerf crossbows takes away 55% of health of rogues n wizard in 1 bolt

[vernal siren]

chaf games keeps giving me an error saying Invalid header and i cant play DnD

[midnight field]

stop posting in every chat, open a support ticket if you want help

[vernal siren]

stop crying

[midnight field]

lmao

[fast lily]

There is a little value to that. You can hide bodies so people can't loot mid fight to salvage gear from their friends.

But yeah it's a bit annoying. If there was a way to hotkey and only target self with spells, that'd be nice.

[plush haven]

can we get this upvoted we really need this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471284/rotate-items

[chilly estuary]

i just really feel like fireball shouldnt do as much self damage as it does because i swear if someone gets close to you while you fireball 9 times out of 10 your taking more damage from it then they will and i know yall gonna just say well run away or use missiles while close but the problem is missiles can also go right through someones body and i think thats just a netcode issue

[raven wind]

Would love to see a Solo Self Found option when creating a character that disables the Trading Post for that character. SSF characters would only be able to party and queue with other SSF characters. This could replace the 1-14/15+ lobbies because honestly, a no trade environment is much more fun.

[tulip hill]

Fireball damage is split into 3 parts, Direct, Splash, and DoT
most of that damage comes from the direct hit which you'd have a hard time landing on yourself
so no, you are not going to take more damage than they are from your own fireball
but if they are close enough for you to hit yourself, they are probably swinging on you
if they get you low by smashing your face in and then you fireball yourself, yeah, you'll probably die to the fireball

[chilly estuary]

i would also like an arena with no mobs

how do yall feel about the falacion i feel like the range on it is glitched

[valid atlas]

add a health transfer on warlock to where u can transfer ur health to a teammate

[tulip hill]

Never actually tested it to see if it looks good from a third party perspective but it does feel a bit longer than it should be

[chilly estuary]

i feel like its a mile longer then it should be its crazy cause rapier suppose to be the poke long range weapon but it feels the shortest out of the sword weapons

[tulip hill]

it wouldn't be too crazy for them to have something like that, the ability to sit down to regain spells means clerics already provide infinite heals for their team after all
bard can only heal recoverable health so maybe if they did add something like that it would have the same restriction

[hasty junco]

new circle logic is such a huge goldmaking nerf, can't loot anything anymore

[keen walrus]

As a Barbarian using Viking Sword wearing a chest piece, you have 2 viable perks as options to use. please fix this

[ancient jacinth]

Can you test if ranger can use his bow to do melee attack? Or even windlass crossbow use it to smash at enemy maybe it can create more play style of ranger and make him a special bow and crossbow user

[hasty junco]

let's make ranger even more broken amirite

[vernal siren]

hi i need a fix for chaf games, keep getting "invalid local header"

[tulip hill]

I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you please elaborate?

[plush haven]

that doesnt sound useful at all tbh because its not goint to do alot of damage and if they did add it that would def be a skill and why would you get rid of rations and the tripple shot for a baby punch

[vernal siren]

hi i need a fix for chaf games, keep getting "invalid local header"

[hallow acorn]

Dwarf/Goblin/Halfling Race - Lowered Headshot / Increased Limb damage multiplier Trade-off
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade

[valid atlas]

it would take ur health too so it wouldn’t be OP and completely useless in a fight but when they are sitting regaining health the warlock could run out and sap some pve and keep coming back to share the heals to the sitting team

[plush haven]

sorry but i dont think we need this yea sounds cool and all but not something id want in d&d

[daring trail]

before they worry about races balancing, or height balancing, lets get the game itself balanced first

[plush haven]

not a bad idea

[hallow acorn]

i get that, but anything new will always break that balance and cycle continues... so when you have more options meta can shift more easily... then you can balance things with other options in mind.... if you overbalance the game will feel too rigid...

[tulip hill]

I wouldn't say completely useless in a fight, a couple point of magical healing can keep a warlock at full HP even when trading damage
better for everyone to be able to take two hits than have the warlock be the only healthy person
making some distance and redistribute health might be just what you need, I know I'd get a lot of value out of it, especially if the "fight" is more of a poke battle between rangers

[hallow acorn]

Solution to fix the gear gap for 15+ level characters:

Dynamic NPC vendor prices affected by market value
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[keen walrus]

the only 2 perks that actually do anything for a barbarian while using viking sword and chest piece are berserker and robust. all of the other perks are things like gain X after a kill, two hand perks, or axe perks. there is literally not a single perk for swords. and one of our best perks requires us to not use a piece of armor. so if i find a good chest piece and using a viking sword its meme perks

[daring trail]

The bonuses after kills are pretty good, 10 strength, or a 12% heal?. There is also Iron Will, the only perk in the game to give 100 MR. Could use berserker too if you really dont find the bonuses after kills good

[keen walrus]

if my target is already dead why do i care about buffs, and i bring heals. thats one health pot per kill. 6 gold. that sucks

[daring trail]

you get 10 strength whenever a target dies... including pve. The heal is only players, but yeah a free health potion heal after killing someone? especially with how bad healing is right now?

[proper field]

6gold is nothing and you care about buffs because it can enable you to snowball in large fights

[keen walrus]

so to use 10 str after a pve target dies i should be fighting a npc during pvp with another player kill the npc and then make sure i get my atk in on the player while the buff is still active for 7 seconds

[daring trail]

many times when ive played solo ill be pve'ing and someone will come outta no where. yeah that 10 extra strength would probably help. thats also 20 more hp btw

7 seconds is enough time to kill 2-3 people

[keen walrus]

compared to other classes that just have straight dmg perks and over 4 options to choose from for multiple playstyles

[daring trail]

most of barbs perks are straight damage perks.. is this just another case of "my class isnt op, make it op?"

[keen walrus]

only for axes or 2h. as i originally stated, if you use a viking sword and find a good chest piece you are forced to do what you are now, oh ill kill a npc while im fighting a guy and then hit him once and this perk isnt so bad.

[daring trail]

you are cherry picking a very specific situation. Viking sword is meh anyway

geared barbs use chest plates, non-geared barbs dont

[echo dome]

needs to be a way to be able to detect stealth shit is rediculous, new meta sit next to extracts as a rogue

[daring trail]

bards, wizards.. swinging your melee weapon..

[echo dome]

not gonna swing 10 meteres around blue portal every time

[daring trail]

to ensure you get out? why not lol

[echo dome]

rogue player^ obviously.

[daring trail]

shit youd get a free kill out of it too

[daring trail]

its just sad, there is a clear counter here and you say " im not gonna do that " like ok bud die to the rogue then LOL

[echo dome]

go argue with yourself bud

[daring trail]

poor guy, i hope you do better in the future

[echo dome]

hey you can be positive

[tulip hill]

Wizard, Bard, and Ranger all have reliable ways to check for rogues
Warlock and Barbarian can both kill the rogue faster than the rogue can kill them
Fighter and Cleric both can use shields which if used correctly can kill any momentum the rogue has from their attempted ambush
which leaves Rogue as the victim with the biggest disadvantage in this scenario, but at that point you are just getting outrogued

[echo dome]

it doesnt matter right cus im wrong your right thats what you want to hear right?

[hoary dirge]

I think you just don't want to accept that you're wrong and there are plenty of ways of countering stealth.

[echo dome]

i said one comment and you are assuming now I "dont wanna accept" which part is that

[hoary dirge]

I'm going to assume when the other replies clearly try to play victim and attack the person giving you a clear counter point

[echo dome]

i cant say one comment without idiots like you trying to put me down even if you know they are rediculous

[hoary dirge]

For instance, have you tried just either waiting for stealth to go out? Walking around the portal and bumping into them and forcing them out of stealth?

[daring trail]

to be fair, you posted in a discussions channel. about a subject that has a clear counter..

[echo dome]

and since when is a suggestion somehow now i am not accepting things? get real

[hoary dirge]

Not to mention you can bait it out?

[daring trail]

perfect example of you not accepting things tho

[echo dome]

PLEASE keep attacking me PLEASE does it make your day?

[daring trail]

'im not gonna do the thing to counter the rogue extract campers'

[echo dome]

are you THAT BIG of a loser that you are dedicating more than 5 minutes to talk down on me?

[daring trail]

i've yet to insult or talk down to you...

[hoary dirge]

Lol, I'm not really going to bother with him at this point. I do think that stealth and hide should be combined into a single perk at least.

[tulip hill]

bruh
leave the dude alone, doesn't matter if they brought it up, they aren't arguing the point anymore yall are just being rude to eachother now

[echo dome]

still on it tho so either you are pleasing your own ego or you are trying to fight someone OR cant stand not having the last word either way your blocked

[daring trail]

you are very confused, like i said earlier, i hope you get better

[proper field]

Can we do something about all rogue lobbies. Everyone and their mother plays rogue. Make it stop. I hate it.

[hoary dirge]

There are a lot of throwaway perks for rogue that just aren't viable to take. Hidden pockets, lock pick mastery (debatable), trap detection, pickpocket etc.

[daring trail]

yee 15 rogue lobbies are annoying af

[tulip hill]

hold up, don't shit on pickpocket
that perk is fun as hell

[hoary dirge]

It's incredibly fun, just very difficult to do anything with now that stealth got nerfed with getting bumped.

[echo dome]

confused lol dude has ego problems go outside

[daring trail]

hes still here

[hoary dirge]

I'm all for it being a perk, just feels like now that with getting bumped it isn't as viable to take unless if you're going naked.

[echo dome]

cant stand not having the last word can ya also ego related like your still here guy

[daring trail]

i feel bad for you brother

[tulip hill]

yeah, that change is pretty crushing for pickpockets
but I remember back when pickpocket couldn't be used in stealth at all
kinda wish they made it so instead of breaking it completely it only shimmered you like tf2's spy

[hoary dirge]

That brings up another point though, I would honestly love to have a map or lobby that you go into with exclusively grey gear and the highest gear drop for the lobby would be green just as a means of getting more gear for higher lobbies

[echo dome]

i know you have issues with people irl

[daring trail]

youve really personified your own statement

[echo dome]

you came at me bud, up to you to put it down yep keep going ego man and the bait works

[daring trail]

you cant take constructive criticism, so after multiple people called you out your next step insulting people

[tulip hill]

oh! I just remembered a suggestion someone made a while back that might interest you
it was something along the lines of "Hidden Pockets should hide the glow from buffs" or something like that

[echo dome]

your critisism wasnt asked, you came at me.

[daring trail]

discussions channel

[echo dome]

yep and yet you took it past that

[tulip hill]

why don't yall just block each other and be done with it?

[hoary dirge]

See that doesn't sound too bad, I just feel like at this point hidden pockets should just be built into the character by itself at this point.

[echo dome]

cus he got ego issues i am enjoying the fact this dude has spent more then 10 minutes

[daring trail]

he said he blocked me, im not really mad or upset with anyone here. just giving reasonable answers to situations in dark and darker. some people can take it, some cant

[echo dome]

you seem to have this idea that your opinion matters?

[rigid prawn]

Cool it dude, walk away your just being confrontational now

[daring trail]

to be fair, multiple people said the same thing i said. you just chose me XD

[echo dome]

yes but you kept going after that

[tulip hill]

honestly, I don't like the idea of making it a baseline mechanic, I love the fact that you have to be mindful of what you have on your toolbelt
I just feel that hiding your toolbelt works better as a small bonus to a wider effect
like maybe it hides your toolbelt and make swapping items quieter
I know I've been caught and have caught others by the sound of a potion or knife being pulled out

[grave veldt]

@echo dome @daring trail let's leave it there please no need for it to drag out like this

👍

[echo dome]

it was left why do that

[daring trail]

LOL

[grave veldt]

There has been one message since you last posted, we where asked to check in here so just asking

[daring trail]

when the warden comes 15 mins late

[echo dome]

please dont @ me it notifys me, if you want it left of course

[grave veldt]

[mossy walrus]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492310/revert-the-zone-changes

[long blade]

Why revert it when it can just be further tweaked / improved. I'd rather take the current state of the circle than having it end in the maze every single time.

[tulip hill]

speaking of the zone, I continue to advocate for the swarm to fill the dungeon like a fluid rather than being a Battle Royal Circle that just passes through walls

[upper hearth]

No, ranger is powerful enough as it is. Unless they add skill based counters to other classes first then ranger should not get a counter or skill related close quarters attack.

[long blade]

that just seems like an absolute waste of time for them to create that

[worldly plover]

Any thoughts on Warlock phantasm to go through doors?

[obtuse rover]

you shoiuld be able attack people while its on but other people still couldnt dmg you

[tulip hill]

potentially too powerful of an escape tool, I'd much rather it be able to be ended early rather than adding anything new to it

[tulip hill]

what are you on about? that would be the single most overpowered thing in the game

[daring trail]

big agree, if warlock could just cancel it, it would put warlock in a better place already

[ruby hound]

New 1-15 lobby change is so fun, especially as a duo in crypts.
Ty Ironmace ❤️
Actually fighting people based on skill rather than gear is the game I remember (from the playtests). Makes for a fun time.

[tulip hill]

I mean, warlock is fine when running Blow of Corruption, I've had plenty of success with it at least
Phantomize is just really hard to get good value because a lot of the time it lasts way too long for its own good

[ruby hound]

Phantomize works best as a solo or in a duo. BOC so much better as 3 imo @tulip hill
My mate runs phantom on his warlock and with a lot of + mgc healing he is untouchable

Like even before the Barb achilles nerf, he would just get 2 dots on the Barb or their teammates and he'd just absorb the axe and heal right up. Phantom out or through them to escape etc.
It got its uses for sure, you have to build a playstyle around it.
BOC obviously is amazing vs tanky foes with high phys reduction.

[daring trail]

Warlock just needs to be fleshed out to me, its very boring as it is right now. Its very reliant on +2 (or more) magic healing. BoC is really all they have with kill potential. Warlock is nice because they shit on fighters but feels like its missing something

[ruby hound]

It's getting worked on as we speak. Should be an expansion on their toolkit soon enough

And then we get Druid not long after (which I will be maining)

[tulip hill]

Curse of Pain does good damage
my biggest gripe with it is actually the aiming logic for hellfire
if you are too close to anything the hellfire will fire off in a random direction
at one point it shot it straight backwards and killed me (and almost hit my friends)

[ruby hound]

[long blade]

Warlock is definitely not in a good place, warlock could be really good if you could run phantomize and BoC, but maybe that would be too strong..

[lone crescent]

Suggestion for inder 15 lobbies

Under 15 lobbies are a bad idea, it is harmful to both -15 and +15 players

Over 15 players lobbies had a huge increase of uber geared players in normal, every game as the one player (or team) with purple and legendaries while before the patch it was kinda rare.

Under 15 lobbies will bait players into thinking they are good at the game at some point until they hit the +15 wall and get destroyed, better to experience the worst since the beginning instead of gatekeeping the actual game.

If they really want a place for new players to learn it shouldn't be in any way related to the actual level of the character, it should be based on the purchase of the game, or the first log in. An example could be like 5 days of easier lobbies and then you get pushed into normal lobbies no matter the level, this is still a bad solution imho, but at least it stops experienced players abusing under 15 lobbies

[long blade]

I dont understand why curse of pain is so painfully difficult to land. The range is awful.

[ruby hound]

I always laugh when seeing a Warlock nuke themselves in the feed cause it's happened to me so many times @tulip hill

[lone crescent]

I'm sure it's intended, you could hit a curse of pain and then go melee, it shouldn't be easy to hit cause it's super oppressive for the players that gets hit

[tulip hill]

oh its funny as hell when they actually just walk into their own hellfire, but knowing it can sometimes just decide to shoot backwards I wonder how many of those warlocks were betrayed by the aiming logic instead of being dumb

[daring trail]

curse of pain is pretty poop for damage, assuming you dont have +additional magic damage, you have to cast it like 6-7 times (while waiting for ALL of the dot damage in between) to kill someone. with melee youll typically use it twice and 1 shot with BOC or something.

hellfire is a really cool ability, but its so predictable that its almost a meme at this point.

[ruby hound]

You always want to try and move backwards or sideways right when casting hellfire imo. That way you can avoid the inconsistancy 😛

[lone crescent]

Projectiles are weird, even if you throw a francisca too close to the target it gets thrown backwards

[ruby hound]

[lone crescent]

It doesn't do enough damage if your gear is shit.
Also a geared Warlock will go full hp in a few seconds after hitting you

[daring trail]

1000%, a geared lock does crazy damage and also heals way too much. lots of classes are busted once you give them purples and good stats

[tulip hill]

pretty sure CoP does more damage than Wizard's Zap at lower gear levels because Warlock has a greater Magic Power bonus
just can't spam it over and over again to get the kill as fast as Zap

[daring trail]

I believe CoP is 10 upfront and 10 over 10 seconds? i think zap is 20 with a dot afterward?
they are similar. but wizard has 5 other offensive spells at their disposale aswell.

[tranquil roost]

the inventory should fill up top to bottom, not left to right. this way you can always auto fill your inventory without having 3/4 of your inventory open slots, but the item you want being too tall to fit anyway..

[lone crescent]

Torture mastery will get decreased magical healing scaling for sure

It's bad to compare Wizard to Warlock, cause Wiz doesn't do huge damage with a Longsword and can't heal

[tulip hill]

CoP totals at 20 and Zap totals at 21 with them both getting 150% scaling but Warlock has slightly higher Will
Wizard is definitly the better blaster caster but comparatively a single cast of Zap and a single cast of CoP does about the same total damage

[daring trail]

thats fair. i believe wizard still dumpsters warlock rn tho

[tulip hill]

of for sure, Wizard has better damage and range, unless the warlock can catch the wizard out at melee range there is very little the warlock can do

[lone crescent]

Isn't it 50% scaling?

[daring trail]

Yeah, what do you mean by 150% scaling?

[lone crescent]

Warlock is an incomplete class until they add more any nerf or buff doesn't make much sense

Is it true that they nerfed the Curse of Pain scaling tho?

[tulip hill]

100% scaling on the direct damage, 50% scaling on the DoT
in total if you have +10 flat damage from items both spells will get an extra 15 damage to their total
unless they changed the scaling numbers again

[daring trail]

word, yeah thats how it works i believe, was confusing calling that 150% scaling lol

[granite plinth]

thoughts on adding a 5v5v5 dungeon? make the mobs all nightmare and in hell harder than nightmare, make the loot really good so you need better gear, also really changes the team comp

[real trellis]

And warlock can't deal damage at long distance or do burst damage at range like a wizard can

[lone crescent]

150% scaling is still wrong, it's kinda a 150% if your dot lasts 1 second, but with longer dots it's incorrect

[daring trail]

maybe in a few months. we have like 8 different queues right now

[tough granite]

remove ambush perk. its totally unnecessary and just rewards a rather boring playstyle that gets cheesed and abused. combined with other perks and abilities like weakpoint, rogues are able to create a build that can do more burst damage than is reasonable with only a green/blue dagger. also the fact that weakpoint scales with your weapon's damage is just asking for this even more.

[lone crescent]

Yeah i think that's intended

[tulip hill]

how do you figure?
I thought DoTs scaled by adding it to the total damage, not the per tick damage

[stuck perch]

it was per tick damage for awhile, maybe they'll change it after a while.

[lyric wave]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491647/warlock-phantomize-cancel-option

[bleak sundial]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/490777/potential-elo-system vote for FUN!

[stuck perch]

How would an elo system work for a game like DaD without being easily exploited?

[lyric wave]

vote to make phantomize a more useable skill thank you

[tulip hill]

yes please

[stuck perch]

I'd vote to see what they add to warlock and how it interacts with phantomize before changing it.

[lone crescent]

Warlock does 20 dmg total, 10 instant and 10 over 8 seconds

10 instant has 100% scaling

8 ticks of 1.25 damage each have an individual scaling of 50% (it is 50 according to wiki)

Now I don't know if the 50% scaling will refer to true magical damage too

[tulip hill]

I cannot support adding an Elo system to any non-zero sum game

[daring trail]

on the dark and darker wiki under damage calculation there is an example that actually specifically uses CoP. ( 10 + 2.5 ) * (1 + 0.12) = 14 dmg over 8s

it is 50% scaling for CoP so youd half any additional/true magic dmg, and any magic dmg bonus ( This is only for the Damage over time, not the direct damage )

[lone crescent]

Maybe the true damage doesn't work for dot damage

[tulip hill]

true damage is added after all other calculations

[lyric wave]

making phantomize a better skill will just add on to whatever they are planning for class regardless. the fact is the skill is underwhelming right now and adding a cancel option gives it more edge

[lone crescent]

A Warlock with 10 true damage will deal 20 instant and 10 dot then

This if you don't consider will scaling

[tulip hill]

I'm pretty sure it will be 20 and 15 respectively

[lone crescent]

I think with scaling they intend just will/magical power

Don't think true damage applies both to burst and dot damage

[daring trail]

in CoPs case, it does. it does 2 instances of damage which are both calculated different

[tulip hill]

let me take a look at the damage formula they got on the wiki, shouldn't take me too long

[lone crescent]

I don't think that's true cause true damage should be applied to each individual dot damage

[tulip hill]

found this in the notes
"Damage Over Time is usually calculated as a whole number at the start of the DoT, then divided by its duration. For example, +2 True Physical Damage would not add +2 damage to each tick of Rupture, but rather to the 20 total damage."

[daring trail]

based off of the wiki, no

[tulip hill]

so I guess there is 1 calculation that happens after true damage and that's dividing by time

[lone crescent]

Oh so it's divided by 2 for half scaling and then by 8 for each dot

[tulip hill]

seems like it

[lone crescent]

10+ magical damage will add 0.625 to each dot

[tulip hill]

that does make me wonder how the game handles rounding

[lone crescent]

1,875 damage per tick + magical power % that i don't want to calculate now

No one will take the full damage tho cause will will cut at least one tick with decreased debuff damagd

[tulip hill]

laughs at Rogue and Bard's low Will stat
they take extra DoT

[lone crescent]

Yeah they will get full damage with base kit

[calm dove]

Let me know what you think https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492331/matchmaking-balance-without-complication]

[scarlet creek]

Yep, glad I saw this suggestion and didn't just make a new one. It's good to send the same one around so that it gets seen more. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows

[versed solstice]

@dawn grotto Will there be any plans for this game to be on console

[scarlet creek]

You can play it on steam deck, is that technically a console?

[lone crescent]

This, at least for pve

[scarlet creek]

Guys, I have a proposition. One of 2 things needs to happen. Either 1, Arrows and bolts are no longer obtainable from someone you shot. Or 2, Throwing axes and Throwing Knives can be looted like arrows and bolts. If arrows and bolts are only 1 gold per, then by golly I should be able to loot my axes and knives off people since they cost 9X what an arrow does!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows

[lyric wave]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491647/warlock-phantomize-cancel-option

[vivid warren]

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**It's for you not for me **

[scarlet creek]

I agree, you should be able to cancel it. I'm sure it will come when the class gets fleshed out more.

[lyric wave]

yeah hopefully just trying to bring some awareness because i know it has potential

[timid palm]

whats the point of armor when a rogue can pop out of the shadows and kill you in 2-3 seconds with starter gear

[scarlet creek]

Yeah, no reason unless it has good stats for you or you can get to 33.4% or more damage reduction. A better weapon would be a good idea because damage is more important. 33.4% is 1.5X effective HP.

[timid palm]

but they aren't wearing anything and you hit thim in the head 3 times they should probably die with no armor on but they don't

[daring trail]

its numerically impossible for a rogue with no gear to take 3 headshots. a 20 damage weapon w/ 3 headshots kills a rogue.

when you say armor, if you mean "ranger armor', then yeah rogues still kill you really quick. if you are talking about plate with fighter, youll survive like 4-6 shots if the rogue doesnt have gear

[timid palm]

look at the staff damage

[daring trail]

magic staff? isnt it like 26 dmg? so a headshot would do 39 dmg? rogues have 85 hp?

[timid palm]

starter is 23

[daring trail]

word, the math still maths

[timid palm]

the math doesn't math when you hit someone 3 times in the head

[daring trail]

but yeah wizards basically die to rogues if the rogue gets in melee

[timid palm]

you can't say rogues not broken they start with 35 agility, and they move like the flash yet they need to go invis too?

[daring trail]

[timid palm]

yeah and wizard has 78

[daring trail]

Its the rock, paper, scissors of the games... Rogues dog on rangers and wizards who walk by them, wizards 2 shot any melee that doesnt get the jump on them. rangers shit on wizards..

[timid palm]

whats your point when you have the drop on the opponent everytime that means you have the advantage every single time

this games about movement speed and they have movement speed and attack speed plus an ability that gives them the advantage everytime

[daring trail]

the point is there is strengths and weaknesses to every class.

wizard has a spell that can reveal stealth, so does bard, ranger has footstep tracking. melee players can just randomly swing and find rogues.

[timid palm]

1v1 anyone you win if youre just faster then them and weave attacks in and out

yeah but other classes don't wizard and bard and not sure but maybe claric

did I say I was good when I only play rogue I saying this from experience

huh there are so many ways to play rogue and I'm addressing the problem with rogues that only play this way

oh so you're saying fighter only has 1 way to play

[long blade]

if you're adhereing to the meta, yeah fighter is pretty straight forward.

[timid palm]

okay so why can't we have diffrenent ways of playing every class and not all just the same way like sheep

[calm dove]

well 90% use the same two abilities so that's my biggest gripe about fighters.

[timid palm]

that's all I'm getting at

[daring trail]

somewhat. you are a tanky front line as a fighter. Its either that or you are dual wield build, in which case you are a rogue without stealth

[timid palm]

it's not fun playing one way the whole time just because one way is better then every other way thats not fun thats just league of legends what happened to crafting new builds and new ways to play that's all I want

the identity doesn't have to be that

[calm dove]

If you enjoy the new matchmaking system check this out upvote if you want. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492331/matchmaking-balance-without-complication

[daring trail]

Once talents get introduced maybe there will be more diversity in builds.

[timid palm]

you've already set your mind on it only be this way

[daring trail]

for right now, you have 8 classes to choose from that all have class identity from DnD

[lone crescent]

Yeah but Wizard has negative physical power

[zenith falcon]

well game is dead, 30 games on a row where I did not escape lol, that was the end of my journey on this abandoned place I guess

[calm dove]

git gud??

[lone crescent]

@daring trail i hit a Rogue twice, 1 in the head 1 in the body and he kills me with 27 hp left, i was using a Felling Axe he was using a Kriss Dagger, we were both blue and no ambush

[timid palm]

true ^

[daring trail]

RIP

[timid palm]

you do you only think like that look at world of warcraft or a lot of media

[lone crescent]

Rogue wins in a fight vs Barbarian atm when both connect all their huts, that's dumb af

[zenith falcon]

well you just cannot play the game if you start mid season and the level 15 thing is useless so yeah IDK, maybe you should understand why the game can't live long that way

[timid palm]

dude it's based on DND

[lone crescent]

Actually not Rogue, it's just the Kriss Dagger, they made it insanely op

[calm dove]

what ...you're just bad you have noe excuse if you're below level 15

[calm dove]

I bet he's a wiz trying to play gobo caves

[daring trail]

You said blue kit, so i assume blue felling axe.. if you hit a headshot, assuming low end blue felling axe @ 48 dmg, then a headshot did 72 damage. then a body shot at 48? so you did 120 damage to him.

It really depends on what his kit was. If his entire kit was +3 all attribute and he had 30+ strength, then he would survive..
if not, then you probably got limb shots

[graceful frost]

i mean the level 15 thing helped lol. the reason your still seeing some geared players is many ppl got above level 10 before it, unlocked trading then went back to there character after and could trade but be in under level 15 lobbies.

[zenith falcon]

they give purple stuff to their friends level 1 dude, in three game you can have 3 lobsters level 1 with 2 friends

[calm dove]

Yeah out of 30 games you see 3 that's not bad at all.

[lone crescent]

I had a Felling with 50, 3 true damage and i think something like 37 strength

[zenith falcon]

nope, I played 150 hours in 3v3 this patch with warlock on 2 characters and I can't snowball a single game, while I was wiping lobies in pt4 and 5

[timid palm]

dude I saying this from killing to many people and It doesn't feel fair for me to do that to someone it feels like a crime

[daring trail]

yee unfortunately it sounds like you hit limbs and not body or head. Like especially if as the barb you had axe spec, two hander, executioner, you literally 1 shot headshot a rogue

[lone crescent]

I had axe spec as damage, he had 122 hp

[daring trail]

ah so he did have a +3 all set lol

+3 all sets are absolutely busted on certain classes, rogue being one of them

[calm dove]

People know how to play the game now. You're not abusing noobs like in playtest. Also warlock is not that great with out gear. It's incomplete class.

[lone crescent]

Yeah but that's not the only time it happened, a kriss dagger only need 3 hit to kill a Barb and oneshotting a geared Rogue is not that easy

If you don't oneshot you die, that's kinda stupid gameplay

[timid palm]

so you don't think experience isn't substance dog

[daring trail]

yeah when i run my rogue with a weapon damage build, barbs are usually 3 shots.
but yeah, that barb one shots me if he hits me tho.
But if that barb has a 1h weapon, the rogue cannot engage. the rogue loses all day

[lone crescent]

Not anymore with Horseman nerf

[timid palm]

I think playing only one way is garbage

[daring trail]

maybe, i wasnt a horseman axe enjoyer personally. Alls i know is a rogue can bait out 2h weapon attacks, and sneak in inbetween misses. Where as he cannot do that if the barb is using any 1h weapon

[lone crescent]

With Horseman it's 2 shot or die, same shit

[daring trail]

yea the best defense is a better offense right now

[lone crescent]

It's just kriss dagger, the other daggers are in a good spot

Kriss is the new Stiletto now, seems like Rogue always needs a broken weapon

[timid palm]

I'm sorry you don't feel the same way doesn't mean you should discredit others because it makes you feel a way

[daring trail]

i think its a hard thing to balance. With the random rolls you can achieve..
even a 22 damage stilletto will 3 shot you, if the rogue has +3 weapon damage on every piece of gear

instead of some rogue nerf, balancing gear seems more of the play, because then you are fixing multiple classes

[hearty tendon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492324/hr-incentives-for-the-future-questing-system

Feel free to vote if you want

[slim vessel]

they need to make healing more rare. Tired of running into a person that is carrying 9 healing potions and 9 bandages and losing to them just because they've been playing the game for 100's of hours longer and on top of that they're a cleric

[somber aurora]

Bring back old circle, I hate to say it but half of the circles are outside the map half the time

[timid palm]

I didn't say remove I said It's unfair

[lone crescent]

Rogue "nerf" was stupid, yeah they nerfed the op stiletto and they nerfed castillon and rapier, but now kriss dagger is busted as stiletto was before

[calm dove]

rogue is not even leading the killing leader boards. There's ways to counter them. You're just not going to win all the time.

[daring trail]

Id say adjust the new circle more, previous circle was just mid map all the time. But this new circle does land in spots where 70% of the circle isnt even on the map..

[lone crescent]

It really didn't change anything to the power of class, they just need to use another dagger

[timid palm]

also doesn't mean ignore what I just said

[somber aurora]

That’s what I’m saying

I had a last circle that was half of the corner mummy room and that’s it

[lone crescent]

Yeah, everyone should run around with 20hp...

[slim vessel]

Clearly not what I'm saying. Make it rare not impossible. Everyone that is playing early game has to sit and wait. It's a good idea that is shrouded by people just money grinding

[daring trail]

healing is already super duper nerfed. outside of clerics and health shrines, it takes alot of downtime to get back to full

also, healing potions are 6g and bandages are 5g... they arent expensive for new players, everyone can get them

[lone crescent]

Late game players need to sit and wait at a campfire tho

Healing is already super bad

[slim vessel]

bro no they don't. They can sit at a campfire. but they can also just carry a shit ton of pots like they always do

[lone crescent]

Yeah and potions will take forever to heal you to full

[daring trail]

if you wait on pots to bring you back to full, its going to take around 3-5 minutes depending on your hp pool. that is half the game

[graceful frost]

no they do not lol. healing is bad enough already with there recent horid changes. you can only get 3 health pots and 3 bandages every 30 minutes. and you dont have stash space to store extra. the fact your mad about ppl with gold buying healing is crazy. get mad about cleric not the trash healing rn

[lone crescent]

Most of the time people carrying a lot of heals are forced to cause they have no stash space to store them

The good amount of healing you should take should be enough to heal you to full 1 or 2 times, you will take the rest from other players

[graceful frost]

yeah. i always bring in like 7 hp pots 7 bandages on ranger when running ok stuff. even then thats barely and hp. its like 2 hp bars but it takes a while

[lone crescent]

They really need to buff rest to scale off physical healing and to not remove recoverable health if interrupted or make us use bandages will sitting

[graceful frost]

i just want the old healing back. or at least potions and bandages stacking in inventory along with being able to buy more than 3 every 30 minutes

[glacial moon]

Nerf Windlass crossbow/crossbow weapon damage, nerf corruption blow on warlocks and remove "double damage on headshots"! Then tbh i think game will be in a pretty good balanced state oh and maybe nerf rogue weakpoint because ppl thing it's because i am rogue i say nerf things.

[graceful frost]

no may bro is complaining about windlass crossbow

[timid palm]

when he's a rogue

[daring trail]

these takes always blow me away LOL
like none of what is listed is whats wrong with the game rn... what world is this guy playing DaD in

[native kernel]

"remove headshot"

[graceful frost]

closest thing to a good take was nerfing BoC. but that shouldnt be a priority rn lol

[daring trail]

rework boc when they finish warlock

[lone crescent]

Remove headshot
*Me laughing in felling axe

[graceful frost]

yeah. class cant do crap without it rn. same with magical healing

[timid palm]

dude doesn't understand it takes skill to hit a single shot weapon

[glacial moon]

Dude it's so easy to hit a single headshot and if u say no i say skill issue on your part

[native kernel]

when Warlock gets fully released then BoC can be reworked, the spell usage based on health is cool but most of the spells suck (hellfire is cool but not really that good)

[timid palm]

you've been really unlucky or you ran at them in a straight line

[lone crescent]

You can run while looking straight up and you are 100% impossible to headshot

[graceful frost]

go heashot someone with a windlass while they are strafing around going in and out of cover and jumping. have fun. and you have a 5 second downtime anytime you miss where your stuck doing nothing

[glacial moon]

Skill issue 🙂 If u can't hit headshots

[timid palm]

I mean you got hit by it

[graceful frost]

skill issue if u get headshot.

[native kernel]

Thoughts on giving ranger only one trap by default?

[glacial moon]

Nope because it's easy to hit headshots

[graceful frost]

remove ranger traps imo, coming from a ranger main

[lone crescent]

[timid palm]

bad thoughts takes a long time to place them plus expensive we have to buy arrows still

[graceful frost]

its also easy to strafe so u wont get heashot. my mans tryna act like he didnt just send some of the worst takes i have seen in here.

[lone crescent]

I have to buy francisca at 18g per stack and they are super bad, you spend 10 and carry a death sentence for everyone stepping in

[graceful frost]

thoughts on these ranger nerfs.

Rework traps, change them for a trip wire that only slows the person in it for a few seconds helping ranger kite.
Nerf triple shot in some way, maybe longbow fires 2 arrows in a row, recurve 3, survival 4.
Add more damage fall off at long range.

In exchange add a quiver system and eventually enchanted arrows

[glacial moon]

Yes it's easy to strafe to not get headshotted aswell but headshots doing double damage is stupid in a dnd game and its a joke u can't see that

[timid palm]

we have to buy traps and arrows we don't get a choice

[lone crescent]

You do, you can loot them in the dungeon

[daring trail]

nanana rangers have it bad when it comes to arrows/traps
I dont play ranger, i just sometimes have friends that do, and they easily spend 100g every game just to be able to play their class.

[timid palm]

I think I can get behind touch grass but it would have to do damage and slow a lot

[lone crescent]

👍

[glacial moon]

There is nothing fair being hit by a headshot from the otherside of a room by a crossbow bolt and then dies period!

[timid palm]

well why are you stand still?

[graceful frost]

idk traps are pretty bs in there current state. i just think slowing the player down and giving them intel would be enough to help rangers kite and stay alive.

[lone crescent]

Maybe slowdown and noisy when activated

[timid palm]

just but rangers use traps like a barricade so it has to make them not want to push

[graceful frost]

yeah thats what i was thinkin.

[lone crescent]

Right now they are the most stupidly op thing there is in the game.

Due to a bug Barbarians still have skill check to disarm traps btw

[graceful frost]

yeah, i think a tripwire would do that. your team gets stuck behind you, and the ranger peaks and starts shooting you can be pretty rough, but counterable and rely on skill from the ranger

[timid palm]

but you can actually jump over traps

[native kernel]

Traps are somewhat balanced due to price but spawning with them is a bit OP at times (crypts, block doors) If they didnt do as much damage then maybe they'd be better (at low levels at least)
Love the enchanted arrows idea
Damage falloff would be a bit weird imo since we already have arrow drop
Triple shot definitely needs slight rework, maybe faster nocking speed rather than three arrows? or something else

[graceful frost]

you have a skill check when disarming while not in a trap. if ur in the trap the skill check goes away.

[timid palm]

I was kinda mad about that honestly I wish it still did it for both still but I understand it was kinda broken

[lone crescent]

I saw other classes with no skill check while disarming tho

Quciskshot and multishot should be removed from longbow cap
They will never be balanced otherwise

[graceful frost]

there already is some damage fall off on bows. its just too much getting shot across the room and insta killed when you dont even know your there, i have done it to so many ppl. I do agree traps cost does balance them out a bit, but people have a lot of gold and in stuff like hr can esily bring in a ton. i mean look at repoze spending 200g on an inventory of throwing knives.

@lone crescent prolly cause there faster interaction speed, i dont have to deal with it on ranger and rogue cause there speed is so fast.

[lone crescent]

That's unfair, "we removed skill check but oh it's still in the game for your class" -.-
I already bug reported twice

Ranger nerf:

-less slowdown to longbow
-less damage to longbow
-Ranger can no longer use Quickshot and Multishot when ising a longbow
-Quickshot and Multishot now don't apply any slowdown on hit
-Quickshot and Multishot no longer reload ammo
-Food Rations now slow down the user by 30% when using

[graceful frost]

its not a class specific thing. it exists for all classes when disarming the trap while not in it. it just doesnt happen for higher interaction speed classes cause of the way the skill check on it works. you get it on cleric, barb, fighter, wizard.

[graceful frost]

idk dont think its the way to do it.

[lone crescent]

The most busted things about the ranger are quickshot, multishot and slowdown when paired with longbow

Clearly longbow is the problem

[wary junco]

Please introduce gear score ! just look into my last message in fighter chat

[graceful frost]

longbow isnt strait up the problem. idk its the damage at long ranges thats the problem. quickshot is an issue but strait up removing it from one of the bows isnt a good way to balance.

its just better to add more damage fall off at range compared to strait up nuking longbow dmg. better to reduce quickshot to 2 arrows in a row with longbow compared to removing it from longbow. I do agree with the reload on multishot though, multishot should be an anti close range thing not a free reload and a close range killer.

[lone crescent]

It's a combination of things, damage, slowdown and fire rate, longbow players could still use quickfire

Also quickfire shouldn't give any slowdown cause it makes too easy to connect the successive shots

[tulip hill]

actually making multishot arrow count dependent on the type of bow would be an interesting change
keep it 3 on recurve but reduce it to 2 for longbow and maybe up it to 4 on survival because lets be honest survival bow needs a little extra love

[daring trail]

interesting.. that would also keep the damage about the same regardless of the bow you use. 4 survival bow shots equals about 2 longbows

[fathom bolt]

remove slow on arrows, triple shot no longer pulls arrows without reloading, ration heals over time and slows at the same speed of carrying a potion while using it, greater fall off on bows

[tulip hill]

I definitely think the slow on hit should stay in some capacity, though I could see them standardising it at a lower number

[fathom bolt]

it should be much less than a melee slow for sure

[rugged patrol]

Does Hand Crossbow count for Dual Wield on fighter ?

[tulip hill]

pretty sure it does

[rugged patrol]

Ty

[tulip hill]

could bring it down to survival bow's 12% for all bows with only the duration changing

[daring trail]

even Lanterns count as a dual wield weapon, and slow you down less

[lone crescent]

Quickshot is already balanced on survival bow imho, don't need to make it 4 arrows
With high fire rate it is kinda easy to hit all 3, while it's easy on longbow due to slowdown, the only one with hard quickshot is recurve

Longbow could become a different gameplay for Ranger, like crossbow ranger

[rugged patrol]

Interesting thanks for the advice

[languid spoke]

why the fuck do bard spells still go through walls lmao

[lone crescent]

Music goes through walls

[languid spoke]

it certainly sounds differently and less loud after bouncing off walls irl though. getting rekt by someone a floor above/below is stupid af

[vernal lotus]

Just plug your ears bro

[sand breach]

make stuff like rubysilver etc harder to achieve

[lone crescent]

The real patch we need is a fix to vertical sound in GC, HR has the same broken audio

[graceful frost]

we just need a sound fix in general tbh

[lone crescent]

Sound is good in crypt and ruins

In gobbo is broken, you hear people 2 floors above you like they are next to you
And as a general bug when you kill a mob the death sound will be played multiple times together and it kills your ears

[rugged eagle]

Feels like the sound system wasn't designed with verticality in mind it behaves very oddly at different Y levels

Personally I'd rather they just revert it to PT5 state but I assume there's a good reason they changed it so just gotta wait for fixes

[lone crescent]

It never gave me any problem in crypt

[lone crescent]

Goblin caves always had broken audio

[rugged eagle]

Feels much more scuffed then it used to imo

Not hearing people directly infront of me, not hearing people behind me and hearing people above me as super close by weren't as prevalent in PT5

[orchid zodiac]

revert circle change, it was perfect, didnt need change

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486846/add-classic-elf-girl-to-the-store -Just want both CLASSIC and new elf face to exist as options. -Someone be my 50th upvote pls.

I can DM a comparison image :3 https://imgur.com/a/waqow4f <<

[obtuse lichen]

nah its perfect now no more tower campers in a hr map

[jagged flicker]

I like more diverse circles.

HR should be called something else and turned free. I keep running into the same 10 or so people when I play in NA.

Make HR FREE but flatten the 1st floor loot a little, keep the hell stuff where it's at.

Personally, alot of my friends are gambling adverse and so they never HR as a result. :./

[sinful pike]

IM SICK AND TIRED OF HOW STRONG ROGUES ARE FUCKING FIX THEM

[jagged flicker]

This is #suggestion-discussion did u wanna vote on something or are u just complaining

[sinful pike]

fuck off, look how many polls i created before being toxic. And videos , and reddit posts I created a hour long video on suggestions most of which have been fixed expect rogues

[jagged flicker]

Like, I'd love to vote up something w. u if it's gas.

I don't know youuuu, yeah sorry I should've realized about all those posts and content I had no clue about.

[sinful pike]

i dont know you either before resulting to toxicity and drama probably should look the person up

[jagged flicker]

Let's be constructive.

[sinful pike]

im done with this converstation rogues need a hard nerf period have a good day.

[jagged flicker]

comes to a discussion

complains and leaves

[granite plinth]

skill issue

[terse marten]

buddy walked into a dark room got stabbed and raged

[untold gyro]

its gear on rogues

[jagged flicker]

blue dagger'd rogue is the boogieman 100%

[granite plinth]

accepting youre a dork is the first step to prevent rouge bullying

[terse marten]

just play bard easy rogue counter

[jagged flicker]

The slow song is slept on

[granite plinth]

bard gamers 100% smell the toilet paper after wiping

[tulip hill]

dude said you should look the person up but they only thing of his I can find is videos of him lifing weights

[jagged flicker]

taste

[supple crater]

REMOVE SAME-CLASS TEAM UP IT'S RE74RDED

[jagged flicker]

We need a #therapy section so people can go there to cope it out. :3

[terse marten]

i suggest you should calm down and touch grass

[granite plinth]

went outside once, the graphics were shit and there was loads of bugs

[tulip hill]

as a blind man I agree, graphics are trash

[terse marten]

blindness debuff

[untold gyro]

weapon damage goes crazy on rogue

[hallow acorn]

if you create the suggestion, i will upvote it... 😂

[torpid trout]

this is a good idea in my opinion i hope it get some traction; New Map / Game MODE : Spawns teams of 3 on outter layer of the maps with no connecting locations just PVE and all locations lead to the center of the map. At center their should be a few mini boss encounters and one main boss all while access to the center is available by all who make it

[hallow acorn]

add the suggestion on https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/ if you want it to be seen by devs...

[brisk kelp]

Remove the ranked matchmaking system

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492362/make-hr-free-allow-me-to-explain -just made this

[hallow acorn]

@jagged flicker
can you upload the comparison image to imgur (or somewhere else) and post a comment with a link in the suggestion...? asking for a friend... 🫣

[jagged flicker]

https://imgur.com/a/waqow4f

[hallow acorn]

thx... i see that the one on the right looks more human (like a half-elf)... maybe thats why they decided to change it...

[untold gyro]

high roller free would be cool but make it so the nightmare mobs spawn more so the pve is more punishing to avoid the nakeds more or atleast they will die/clear room very slow with no gear and be punished for doing less damage then player going in with stuff

[jagged flicker]

I paid for the fair skinned thin faced original. Now I got the tanned, less blonde one. While she's plenty cute, and she is, I want the original as an option.

[hallow acorn]

the only way to punish the nakeds is to create a space where you will most likely get hit and need to tank that damage... maybe some bard skeletons that will start playing din of darkness...

[jagged flicker]

If you suggest more Red Skeletons in normals to punished naked spam rogues I'll vote it up and tell my homies.

To that point more red skeletons means better loot on normals.

[hardy vector]

give rogues revolvers

[hallow acorn]

If you would like more race diversity, please check out this suggestion:

Dwarf/Goblin/Halfling Race - Lowered Headshot / Increased Limb damage multiplier Trade-off
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade

If you don't like the gear gap that increases as the season goes on, you can check out this solution:

Dynamic NPC vendor prices affected by market value
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[granite plinth]

how bout no

[stray hound]

buff quarterstaffs all they do is tickle , meanwhile halberd 2 shots anyone and wild range

[hallow acorn]

i would like your full opinion in the comment section, so that others can see why you feel like this and i will try to counter that response if i would disagree with it...

[glad flicker]

I propose there just be 2 different leagues you select from on character selection. One is a, no trade league and the other is a trade league, then make a separate leaderboard for each. It’s clear that it’s pretty split between people who want trade and people who don’t.

[weak plover]

REGION LOCK CHINA THEY ARE ALL CHEATERS /RATS/ GOLD SELLERS SOLVE PROBLEMS 100%

[jagged flicker]

racist

[hallow acorn]

you don't need to separate it this way... you can have No trade Character where you can choose if you would like to go against characters that have entry to Market or no... that way if for some reason you cant queue against people that cant access Market, you have the option to change...

[weak plover]

ALL CHEATERS AND TEAMERS I HAVE COM ACROSS IN OCE ARE CHINESE PLAYERS DUDE IM SICK OF IT

[jagged flicker]

ezblock.

[weak plover]

have you played on oce yet?

[hallow acorn]

care to share a video...? i play EU or US (East) only....

[weak plover]

sure ill get a whole bunch of evidence or simply just jump on oce highrollers 3rd time today 5 manned

[weak plover]

im not being racist it has been a plauge on our severs since patch 3 honestly

[hallow acorn]

on EU and US(East) i have not seen a cheater since the addition/improvement of an Anti-cheat few weeks ago... so thats why i am asking...

[weak plover]

we get speed hackers and wallhacks and major teaming issues i get 2-5 players banned a day \

[glacial moon]

Turn off all torches by default because i can't be running around in every dungeon/cave and turn off all torch i see, in game u have 2 torch by default, u have lanterns (which are not used because the game is brighter n brighter) i think it sad and game should be much darker as the game titel

[weak plover]

if you want evidence hop into high rollers oce goblin caves with a crap kit every 2 games you will either get teamed or insta headshotted even better jump in and just spectate

[hallow acorn]

how long it takes for the HR lobby to fill...?

[weak plover]

its around 8 am just honestly have a look into it or atleast pass it onto devs to sign A petition (our severs are full of them ) even basics they farm up gold selling accounts with aim bot or super speed attack hacks like machine gun swings

if you are an admin or something im happy to hop into a private call and just tream it for you

[hallow acorn]

there are only 2 people in the lobby right now and none of them seem to be cheating yet... they just play rogues... one is farming troll the other is using traps to kill of lots of mobs... dont see those two to cheat, because they seem to know how to play...

[hallow acorn]

i am neither... just a random fan of the game... i just cant stand cheaters...

[weak plover]

hopping in now going to clip it for you

3 more just banned off my reports

[brisk kelp]

wtf why is my game temporarily haulted against adverse network threats to the server? Its going then it says that then its fine

[weak plover]

same 3 man is in here teaming lol

[brisk kelp]

O my god our US West server is just breaking with freezing and some text popup

[wraith cloak]

Explain why the magician is being nerfed. There is no chance against a rogue, and there is no chance against a barbarian with a passive attack who does not die from 5 fireballs. It’s generally funny to play a mage against a ranger; at any distance the ranger is stronger than the mage. I played 10 games and there were 1-2 mages in the lobby during that time. They have statistics, why don’t they rework it? Or do they only look at high-roll triples in which magicians for 10 keys run around and destroy everyone?

I join any other class, and within a few games I reach a full set. Moreover, without any experience playing these classes at all. I play a mage all the time and even in a good set I do worse than with any other character. This is so stupid

[hallow acorn]

if they are the only players to play at the moment there, then it is easy for them to team up... two weeks ago they have stated that they are monitoring these issues (#📢announcements message)... the only advice for now is to change region/map into one where there are more people playing, so that there is a lower chance for them to get into the same lobby and team-up...

[jagged flicker]

When Katana.

When Scimitar.

[weak plover]

jump into tavern table 3 just clipped it

[weak plover]

oce is too far away from anywhere to get decent ping around 200+ping closest server

[wraith cloak]

I propose to make a new skill for the magician instead of the old shield. 1 second of invulnerability after being hit by damage. This will not affect high rolls since I play there with two spell slots, and will make it more playable for beginners, since the mage dies from everything very quickly.

[jagged flicker]

Need More Clothes. Basic Shirts are never sold in the Tailor.

[hallow acorn]

i am going to sleep, but try to make a suggestion with title like... "Close queues that have less players than set minimum to avoid teaming abuse" or something like that and post it in here... add links to the videos in comments and try to repost the suggestion in prime times over here...

[jagged flicker]

It was nerfed used to block 35 dmg. It got nearly cut in half down to 20 dmg. Skeletons hit harder than this; so you know. It does block EVERY damage type tho. You can run through a spike trap with it.

[wraith cloak]

This is useless against the rogue and barbarian, etc., or rather, I didn’t express it correctly. So that this skill hangs all the time and blocks any incoming damage for 1 second.

[jagged flicker]

I was mentioning current Arcane Barrier

[small furnace]

A halfling race would be too much of an advantage, much smaller hitbox especially for ranged classes to deal with. Halfling rogue would be near unstoppable if it comes out and starts stabbing you, you'd take too long to see him before you could react.

[wraith cloak]

Nowadays magicians are found only on high level. Goblins don't have them at all. Because all classes are better than a mage in solo now

[hallow acorn]

i feel that this is a problem for OCE in general... the less mainstream the game is, the harder it is to have decent queues... wait for player increase (e.g.: a promo or until they add it back to Steam)...

[hallow acorn]

but he cant headshot you with short range daggers.... so it will take him longer to kill you... fair trade-off in my eyes...

and if you jump he can hit only your legs...

[small furnace]

I don't like the idea of races changing gameplay that dramatically, they're meant to be cosmetic in the first place.

[hallow acorn]

i see your POV... i just like the idea of more options to choose from and have different playstyles accordingly... its like having more classes...

[small furnace]

May I ask what is the drawback to a halfling ranger or wizard for instance? They have a smaller hitbox, and they can still headshot with ranged attacks/spells.

[abstract swallow]

shorter characters are more vulnerable to headshots and have less ability to strike the head, so it'd be fairly balanced due to the melee-centric nature of the combat

[hallow acorn]

increased damage to limbs will balance the issue of smaller target (harder to hit, but higher damage when you hit)... for ranged classes you want to have high ground advantage, with low angle view your range might suffer until you get to advantageous spots... it is easier to shoot headshots if you are in same level and do not need to adjust verticaly...

[jagged flicker]

If they lowered the price of additional races to like 3 shards, I'd be open to them being more quirky and random.

Like, if it's reasonably available I'd say let it rip, respectfully.

[hallow acorn]

that is another thing... i would like that the races are free to choose from or they are easily unlockable just by playing... there could be alternative race skins in the shop, that you could buy if you want to look different... as you have already stated here (#suggestion-discussion message)...

[jagged flicker]

Just link to a vote.

[fiery ore]

this, or just remove trade at all - you have what you found and nothing else

[atomic whale]

Fix market by removing it I guess

[jagged flicker]

I like no trade personally. It's an extraction game, use what you find.

[fiery ore]

indeed

[jagged flicker]

Literally anyone with 50g can have a blue item every game they can afford it.

[atomic whale]

and the chinese miners

[upper bramble]

trading can be really engaging and fun but some people ruin it for the rest of us

[atomic whale]

Trade withing guilds would make more sense

[fiery ore]

trade market destroys the game feeling, even if they wipe, market ruins it on the very next day

[atomic whale]

Hr is pointless, its easier to just buy items, buy EQ go normal xD

[fiery ore]

thats how it looks like now, ppl just dont even go hr

[shadow zephyr]

I dunno about anyone else but I feel like the warlock should be able to have plate boot, helm, and gloves no chest or legs. They aren't tanky enough and nowhere near enough dmg and mobility to be anything other than a front liner. Not only will it help fit them into a role but it also fits the lore. When I think warlock I'm thinking cloth robes and pants with crazy looking plate helm gauntlet and boots carrying a 2 hander with magic but I dunno just me. Like picture the ring wraiths from lord of the rings thats my image of what a warlock should look like.

[scarlet creek]

Guys, I have a proposition. One of 2 things needs to happen. Either 1, Arrows and bolts are no longer obtainable from someone you shot. Or 2, Throwing axes and Throwing Knives can be looted like arrows and bolts. If arrows and bolts are only 1 gold per, then by golly I should be able to loot my axes and knives off people since they cost 9X what an arrow does!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows

[tranquil plaza]

Ye also give them bazooka and minigun

[atomic whale]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/476282/weekly-event-dungeons-with-predetermined-classes

[fluid zenith]

a button to report all the bots on the market would be a good addition

[hallow acorn]

@jagged flicker
Good idea with the different race bonuses... The headshot damage reduction could be just for Dwarf race... For the other races it could be something else...

For example:

• Goblin race could have increased armor rating (more durable, born in nature)
• Halfling race could have increased agility (they know where to step from walking bare foot)

Everything would need a balance of course...

[shadow zephyr]

I agree that the knives and axes should be lootable like arrows but if thats a thing then the damage has to also be lowered dramatically we already have barbs being able to 1v1 a ranger just with axes and I mean a barb should never be able to beat a ranger unless they get a sneak attack on them

[jagged flicker]

Easy upvote. The idea of purple frans being plucked from bodies over and over is both narrative and grim.

[granite plinth]

I cant see them adding short races without that causing a fuckton of problems

[jagged flicker]

Yeah some large negative like total HP -20%

[lone crescent]

I'm against shorter or taller races

[fluid zenith]

it kinda self balances cuz a short class would have problems headshotting things

[scarlet creek]

Lol. @shadow zephyr Francisca axes just had their damage lowered by about 1-3 across the board. Not sure on knives, I think they're the same.

[indigo lion]

Absolutely it's going to be an oddjob effect all over again.

[jagged flicker]

I think knives should be cheaper.

[warped zodiac]

Any chance of just a pve dungeon with friends? Doesn’t have to cross gear with the pvp side of the game

[scarlet creek]

Francisca axes and knives are 9g per knife/axe. U buy in groups of 2 for 18g. In comparison arrows are 1G PER ARROW

[jagged flicker]

And I think rangers should get a discount on arrows. Feelsbad to succeed but have to pay 20g in arrows out of your exfil.

[lone crescent]

Yeah but we should be able to take them back from bodies, at least from mobs

[scarlet creek]

Great thing u can do with arrows, if u find a bow, shoot all the arrows in its quiver and pick them up. Free arrows!

[hallow acorn]

I mark my [FAQ] comments in the suggestion so that everyone can see it...
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade#comment552719

[granite plinth]

Probably not unless theres a player vs bot singleplayer mode to train and none of the loot you escape with goes with u

[lone crescent]

There are mobs that are impossible to beat no damage as a Barb in some situation (goddammit bolaslinger)

[jagged flicker]

no single player only pvtarkov

[indigo lion]

Yea but I mean arrows are the primary way to attack, where as other throwables are supposed to support. Referencing someone elses comment, no barbarian should be able to 1v1 a Ranger from range. The money thing just becomes moot at some point because you can just have so much money so fast.

[indigo lion]

possible but very nearly not, something is very weird about how good their tracking is. like you can't out strafe their thing even without a movement penalty.

[lone crescent]

No Barbarian is and will ever be able to fight a Ranger from range

[scarlet creek]

I notice you say primary way to attack, that's true for every class right now with the ranged meta. Everyone softens up targets with ranged attacks before actually going into melee because they want an advantage. Ranger's primary attacks are ranged, but that doesn't mean they can't use a spear and dominate.

[fiery ore]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492386/removing-trade-market

[hallow acorn]

you dont need to lower hp when you increase damage taken...

[jagged flicker]

Not talking about your balancing in mind.

[indigo lion]

They already said they will need some way to monetize the game moving forward if we want to play on the servers for longer than a year.

[scarlet creek]

And, arrows are over 10m/s faster than francisca axes. A longbow is 19 m/s faster than a francisca axe throw.

[lone crescent]

No market will make geared players problem worse, few people will have all the best loot and other players don't get the chance to have some

[hallow acorn]

Thanks for support... Short Races are people too... 🥰

[scarlet creek]

A knife actually flies 2 m/s faster than an axe. Axe is 16 m/s and knife is 18 m/s

[fiery ore]

you can loose items in many ways, you are not immortal with them, simple crash or dc or even no portals make them disappear

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492386/removing-trade-market#comment552721 BURN TRADE CHAT. VIVA LA EXTRAC'TION

[scarlet creek]

Imagine if Rouges could throw their daggers and Barbarians could throw their double axes lol

[hallow acorn]

I suggest the opposite... Its better to give, than to take away...
Read more in here: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[jagged flicker]

IT'S EXTRACTION LOOTER NOT MALL LOOTER. STOP TRADE CHAT.

Oh shii opposed opinions in the #suggestion-discussion

[winged sapphire]

Can ranger get better access to melee weapons? like hatchet or viking sword?

[jagged flicker]

They deserve Hatchet because they presumably chop wood w. it.

[scarlet creek]

Use a spear, one of the best weapons in the game.

[jagged flicker]

he said more.

[scarlet creek]

What we need is a Viking Shield for Barbarian.

[jagged flicker]

Suggest and I upvote.

[winged sapphire]

bro the spear may have reach but it fucking sucks close range

[jagged flicker]

When Scimitar one day blesses us, I imagine it'll be on Rogue/Ranger/Figher/Bard

[winged sapphire]

we need a scythe/sickle

[jagged flicker]

Suggest and I upvote. :3

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492390/viking-shield-for-barbarians

[scarlet creek]

What do you think of the levels 1-14 and 15+?

[winged sapphire]

ranger should get a compound bow that does extra armor pen longer you charge it

[scarlet creek]

I think all bows should have a deficit if u fire quickly and if you hold it for a second or 2 it does bonus damage.

Holding for more than 4 seconds makes your aim sloppier and sloppier as you strain yourself to hold it.

[winged sapphire]

rouge shouldnt get invisble they should have like HALO4 active camo how you can see silouette

[jagged flicker]

disagree.

[scarlet creek]

I think rouge is fine but should get a less time on invis, Being able to have the equivalent of a legendary potion of invisibility is dumb

[jagged flicker]

it's magical, has a long CD and needs a perk to move limited.

[hallow acorn]

There is ZERO suggestion to separate no-market players on https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/... That seems to me what people here really want, but the real issue wouldn´t disappear...

In this scenario it would just take people longer to min-max their gear, but eventually they would get there (unless frequent wipes), as it did before previous wipe.... and do you know what was the right ANSWER..? lowering prices in NPC shops, so that people didn´t have to grind forever in disadvantage to get to fightable state...

TL;DR https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[winged sapphire]

i think a tarkov like market would be better than the current one

[jagged flicker]

No trade chat at all imo.

[scarlet creek]

Agreed, some kind of auction house. @jagged flicker I say that at level 15 if u choose not to trade you keep going into the no trade lobbies. So trader lobbies and non-trader lobbies

[jagged flicker]

That's actually quite based.

Just Q the folks with the Trade stamp seperately.

[small furnace]

Can't afford to split the playerbase up so much, long term. We already have pre-15 and post-15 lobbies, in addition with different regions, maps... cut that in half and regions that currently suffer will suffer most.

[scarlet creek]

Change the pre-15 and post-15 to trader and non-trader lobbies instead

[jagged flicker]

Man stop with all this conjecture about splitting the player base. It's just hearsay. Not to mention there's more maps planned.

[scarlet creek]

Someone who cannot buy from the trade market will never get exactly what they want in a build.

[small furnace]

I'm saying it because that's how you kill a game. If the queue times get too long I will quit, and many others will as well.

[scarlet creek]

Again, change it from pre-15 and post-15 to trader lobbies and non-trader lobbies. Fixed.

[jagged flicker]

Yeah but the base is being split by more planned content, it's not a big deal.

[small furnace]

Right, and it's fine that more content will split it, but adding additional ways to split the community on top of new incoming content is just not a great idea.

@scarlet creek I understand what you're saying but I disagree, trade isn't something a significant portion of the playerbase wants removing, splitting the community for it is just not feasible.

[remote loom]

Friends list for players when?

[scarlet creek]

But, it would still make level 1-14's not encounter level 15+. It would be the same system with a tiny difference. But, they need to do something about people dropping people good gear in level 15+ lobbies and then having that level 1 go back to the other lobbies by themselves.

[winged sapphire]

they should get rid of the trade fee or lower it to 5

[jagged flicker]

people trade whole sets to themselves all the time already

[hallow acorn]

@jagged flicker @scarlet creek @fiery ore
i have found this suggestion, which correlates with your views about no-market queues...
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491603/add-an-ironmanno-trader-mode-so-that-we-can-level-120-in-the-same-style

[scarlet creek]

How about, at level 20 u get no trade fee?

[fiery ore]

i would rather increase it to 100 ;d

[winged sapphire]

they should make inventories interchangable

[scarlet creek]

Upvoted.
Guys, I have a proposition. One of 2 things needs to happen. Either 1, Arrows and bolts are no longer obtainable from someone you shot. Or 2, Throwing axes and Throwing Knives can be looted like arrows and bolts. If arrows and bolts are only 1 gold per, then by golly I should be able to loot my axes and knives off people since they cost 9X what an arrow does!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows

[lone crescent]

Rogue ambush perk should be removed

If they don't want to remove it it should be reworked and should activate only if you are in stealth for x seconds, it shouldn't give you the bonus the moment you tap the Hide

[fiery ore]

could work i guess

[small furnace]

I still think this is a good suggestion: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/473584/add-a-downvote-option

[winged sapphire]

they should make a ranger perk where it adds a few arrows to each person you kill

[glacial moon]

Make game more dark - Turn off more torch/lanterns by default

[lone crescent]

Ofc a Rogue says that

[lyric wave]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491647/warlock-phantomize-cancel-option

[glacial moon]

I would say that no matter what class i am playing

[outer mirage]

fix the pavise in the ruins, it says there is no floor

[stuck perch]

No, the devs need to consider each option fully without the ratio. If they start considering the number of people who dislike a feature as opposed to the number of people who like it and their own judgement of whether it fits with their game or not. If we end up with bad decisions on the part of the devs it's their fault for not thinking things through fully.

[hallow acorn]

You can upvote this suggestion (https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488314/rogue-ambush-perk-change) or create a new better one on (https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/) and post it here...

[jagged flicker]

#report-a-bug

[small furnace]

I think the devs should be aware of the amount of people opposed to a suggestion as well as the amount of people that are in favor of it. Otherwise vocal minorities have far too much sway in the community and it's way too easy to get people to upvote your suggestion over time by promoting it here and there to the right people in a 500k person discord.

[lone crescent]

Dunno if invis pot triggers ambush

[hallow acorn]

This has a BIG issue for streamers. Think about that when you are creating suggestion on (https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/).

[lone crescent]

Yeah it says "when you exit from Hide skill"

[small furnace]

It does, currently.

[hallow acorn]

Then make a new suggestion that corrects his mistake, comment on his suggestion page that he has a mistake in it if you feel like people could vote his wrong post more than yours...

[fresh wyvern]

Take rogues out of the fucking game. No skill, naked rogue pops up on you and you’re dead. No time to fight back unless you’re a barb and then you’re still prob dead after you kill him.. fix it. Hot damn

[hallow acorn]

Good to know... That seems really OP and broken... Please create a ticket for it on https://www.darkanddarker.com/ > SUPPORT > SUBMIT A TICKET...

[lone crescent]

Kriss dagger 3 shots Barbs

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat

[stuck perch]

It's also much easier to get a group of well motivated people to downvote everything that doesn't align with your vision for the game.

[hallow acorn]

FYI its harder for overhaul to be upvoted, because people often agree with some things but disagree with others and just because of that they won´t upvote your suggestion...

[small furnace]

Devs aren't stupid. Your reasoning for why we shouldn't have it is that the devs will just blindly look at the number of upvotes/downvotes. I'm merely suggesting we have both metrics available so that it doesn't look like something has unanimous support/overwhelming support even if it's just a vocal minority.

[winged sapphire]

there NEEDS to be item rotating and AUTOFILL GOLD

[small furnace]

NGL item rotating would be sick as hell.

[jagged flicker]

I feel like some suggestions are good but need to be trimmed down. Like, if you make a good point but add a bunch of other stuff you think is good on the side it makes it hard to upvote. Keep it neat, clean and clear.

[glacial moon]

What is the problem for streamers they has lights default torch. Think before talking 🙂

[main oasis]

Thats fair. While I agree that it might be better at this point to remove the third one I feel the first two general changes suggested do best when made together

[glacial moon]

Make game more dark n darker - Turn torch off by default in dungeons, force all players to play with torch/lanterns which they all has by default and uses of lantern would suddenly become a thing rather than just a sell to the vendor thing. Also it would make game more interesting and yeah I know i main rogue but i also believe this would make game more fun/interesting for all classes.
It's not a problem for streaming either as someone mentioned because u have torch by defaults on all classes, you can use your lights, drop your torch on ground to fight foes, ect. make game more interesting than a dungeon full of lights pls.

[stuck perch]

The devs shouldn't consider the downvotes at all. They should consider the number of votes and whether it would make their game better or not, any arguments against it and whether it's feasable programatically.

[lone crescent]

Gimme upvotes to have less oppressive ambush https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492399/rogue-ambush-perk-should-trigger-after-you-stay-invisible-for-enough-time

[small furnace]

The number of downvotes IS important just because 1000 people agree with something and want it in the game doesn't mean that another 10000 people don't.

It can be helpful for the devs to know what their playerbase wrong, rather than putting in the manhours into coding unwanted changes before having to revert them.

This is the same argument youtube made against the dislike button, it's important to have a feature to downvote something if you don't like it. Devs don't have time to read every comment made by every person but they do have time to see a number and realize whether or not something is popular.

I'm not by any means saying it should be the only metric, but it's definitely a USEFUL metric and to say that it isn't is to say that ONLY positivity is ever useful when in-fact that isn't the case and sometimes negativity can be helpful to guage a community's response to something.

[stuck perch]

The devs shouldn't just put things into the game because 10,000 ask for it or not. They can take ideas from the community, and hearing out the more popular ones is fine. But that doesn't mean they should implement any of them. They don't run a democracy.

[small furnace]

Yeah, I agree, but this is an argument AGAINST a downvote metric.

I'm saying make it visible how many people vote AGAINST something as well as FOR something.

The ones that get highly upvoted should still be at the top for the devs to consider (as it is currently) it will just also show the number of people that downvote the suggestion too.

The only thing you're arguing against is limited people's freedom to express that they disapprove of a popular suggestion, cause currently the suggestion system is super barebones in terms of how you can engage with it.

[winged sapphire]

they need to make item rotatable and auto fill gold

[stuck perch]

If you don't like a suggestion, explain why you don't like it in the comments for that suggestion. Hearing all the different arguments against a suggestion is also part of hearing the suggestion itself. That's going to go further than people just downvoting a suggestion because while it seems good there's just 1 thing that irks that person with how the suggestion is worded or a tiny concern that is seemingly unnoticed with it.

[small furnace]

Why are you so against the devs seeing how many people disagree with it at a glance? Upvotes exist, why not downvotes?

People don't have to give their detailed thoughts on why they like a suggestion when they upvote it, so why should they have to do the opposite if they dislike it?

Yes, devs should consider the actual criticisms of a suggestion as well the suggestion itself, but the reason the 'upvotes' exist is so the devs can guage what is popular, and for that reason I think downvotes should exist too because they help with the exact same thing.

[hallow acorn]

This is game-breaking... you should create a ticket for it on https://www.darkanddarker.com/ > SUPPORT > SUBMIT A TICKET... instead of just waiting for possible check from devs on a suggestion...

[lone crescent]

Tickets are not made to whine and vomit our shits on devs

[stuck perch]

I've explained myself above, attempting to do so in different ways. If you're still asking me why I'm against this, scroll up.

[small furnace]

Your reasoning just doesn't work is all, but if you insist it does then sure.

[hallow acorn]

i guess it might not be that broken for a ticket... i will try to test it and then decide on submiting a ticket myself...

[lone crescent]

Wait no, that's not a bug, that's a rework idea

[hallow acorn]

it does not have to be a bug to be game-breaking...

[stuck perch]

If you don't understand my reasoning then yours is flawed. In any case I'm not going to waste time trying to explain something you won't understand.

[zenith oyster]

why is no one in the trade channel constantly banning the people posting real money tranfer websites?

[small furnace]

It's okay, it has 350 upvotes as it is so I'm sure the devs will 'consider it'.

[drowsy grotto]

The change to matchmaking is only beneficial to low level players and if you're poor at a higher level there's close to zero chance of escaping poverty.

[lone crescent]

Cuz trade channels have progressively increasing slowmode and you can't send any message without linking an item

[drowsy grotto]

Also why not just make an auction house, it fits the theme and would fix all of this garbage with the trading hall.

[stuck perch]

Because an auction house will drive inflation up. Which will especially impact the newer and poorer players more than the veterans or riche ones.

[drowsy grotto]

Make it so cheaper items are taxed less and more expensive ones are more taxed.

Also I'm kind of to the point where gear score is the best choice in my eyes since this level 15 thing is shit supreme.

[stuck perch]

Adding tax will only compound the cost on to the buyer.

[drowsy grotto]

Meh, imo if a game aspect is so annoying that people would rather sell blues for like 10% of the price then they'd get off of waiting 10 minutes to sell on the trade center then anything to simplify it would be great.

idk, I just hate the trade center 😭

[stuck perch]

I get that you don't like the trade center but what I get from that is that you'd want to increase the cost of blues on the marketplace by 9 times...

[drowsy grotto]

Just make green and blues more rare or something, they're uber common already.
I understand that it'll increase the prices of items but holy hell is the trade center awful, if making it better increases the prices of items then work around the items instead of the market place.
Make certain attributes less common e.g ones that help in battle, create more aspects that could decrease and increase the price of things.

[hallow acorn]

the thing with Downvotes is that only** people who are just browsing will get repelled before they read** the suggestion (or view the content)...

and hidden Downvotes for devs do not make a much more sense either... they can get that better info from the page visits numbers... and they would likely want comments more to make a better picture about the suggestion....

with visible Downvote counter, minority can abuse the system by mass downvoting unwanted content, before it gets any traction...
they can do the same for Upvoting, but even then it depends on how many other people agree with their suggestions...

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat

[drowsy grotto]

This should overall fix the issue with price increase via simplicity of selling items due to the mass amount of price changing leading to hopefully more brackets of item prices.
Gray - White - Shitty green- mid green- shitty blue - great green etc
Just make stuff more rare idk.

[small furnace]

the thing with Downvotes is that only people who are just browsing will get repelled before they read the suggestion (or view the content)... That can be the case yes, but it can also be the case that the amount of upvotes on a suggestion 'validates' it on the positive side. So this argument may as well be an argument for upvotes not existing as well.

and hidden Downvotes for devs do not make a much more sense either... they can get that better info from the page visits numbers... and they would likely want comments more to make a better picture about the suggestion.... I don't want hidden downvotes.

they can do the same for Upvoting, but even then it depends on how many other people agree with their suggestions...``` Minority voices can already abuse the system as it is, while I do agree that downvotes could be abused by bad actors, the current problem I find of potentially bad things getting implemented into the game because they're perceived as very popular due to the lack of information is bad and has the potential to ruin this game.

[drowsy grotto]

Idk what your argument is since I'm not reading all of anything y'all are typing but, if they just completely removed the ability for people to see likes and dislikes on the suggestions it'd lead to less of an eco-chamber esc thing (learnt about that in TOK 2 years ago) although make it harder for a solidified opinion due to the wide spread of likes and dislikes.
(probably unrelated but it reminded me of my paper that I did on reddit being an ecochamber)

[stuck perch]

A lot of the "bad" things that are being implemented are being tested out. Should the data show it, the devs can revert those changes.

[small furnace]

The devs are less likely to remove a change even if it is negatively perceived after it's been implemented. Pandora's box is easy to open but near impossible to close.

I do not like the idea that the devs implement a suggestion based on an incredibly vocal minority and even though there's a lot of backlash they just leave it in the game.

We already know this has happened before, as per the healing change. Most people were vehemently against it, but it stayed in the game regardless.

[stuck perch]

There will always be more causual than serious players in any game. Does that mean that the devs should pay no mind to the voices of the serious players?

[small furnace]

No? I'm not saying that, I'm saying let's have the metrics visible so the devs can make informed decisions. I'm not saying just ALWAYS listen to the largest group of players.

Your position is that you think the devs will do this and thus you think the metrics shouldn't be available. I think the devs should merely BE AWARE of it, but not ALWAYS make their decisions based off of it. It's a helpful metric to have but it's not a decision-maker.

This is the same reasoning on why Youtube removed dislikes, I disagree with it there, I disagree with it here. Negativity is not always a bad thing.

[stuck perch]

The devs have ways to be aware of this even without a visible downvote system for the rest of the community.

[small furnace]

I sincerely disagree with this idea, based on how they approached some suggestions in the past it looked like they were COMPLETELY unaware of the backlash it would cause to implement some of the suggestions they did. They had to entirely change the way they do patch notes because of how upset people got with them, they clearly were unprepared for it and not expecting it.

[limpid jolt]

I think phantomize should give a higher speed boost. It's not even fast enough to give separation against rogue, as well as ranger.

[hallow acorn]

as i have said... devs are using better info and are not just focused on upvotes and would not be interested in downvotes either.... its a broken system thanks to human nature... the easier it is to do/use, the easier it is to fake/abuse... if there are people who blindly upvote a suggestion, then downvotes would not change that behavior... when someone gives a comment, you get much more info than just ⬆️/⬇️... the upvote is there so that people can sort suggestions and is not the only one there is... (NEW/TRENDING sort)...

the only reason for downvote is that you could sort suggestions by it and then would comment on a most controversial suggestions... which would likely not lead anywhere as trying to convince other people that do not want a discussion about your POV (just example, do not mean you)...

[rich cypress]

it shouldnt have a speed buff you can walk through mobs and traps thats good enough

[small furnace]

Your argument makes sense if there is no upvote, however, there is currently an upvote so I think there should be a downvote to match it.

If we just went off pageviews instead then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but currently an option to 'upvote' a suggestion currently exists, so I do think there should be an opposite to that option.

[limpid jolt]

Lol you're trippin without a speed boost it's useless compared to blow of corruption

[rich cypress]

just like most of the fighter skills

[indigo grail]

lower the ammount of time for the merchants to refresh their shops

[hallow acorn]

then create a suggestion to have only page views instead of upvote... i will upvote it... 😂

[limpid jolt]

Yeah so you think the baseline of all the classes should be one skill is substantially better than the rest? Thank god you're not a game dev

[rich cypress]

warlock is already good for running away and healing having a speed boost Inside IFRAMES is not a good idea

[small furnace]

I mean the downvote suggestion is already on the frontpage, so surely the devs will consider it...

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat read it and upvote if you like it, and if you don't upvote anyway :>

[limpid jolt]

How is warlock good at running away the class is slow af? Literally the only class that can't run it down is cleric

[hallow acorn]

@small furnace 🤣

[rich cypress]

have you tried having some people buff you and hiding behind teammates just whenever you get low hit a curse of pain and run back that easy i hate to break it to you phantomize is never getting a speed buff if you cant use it well you just are bad that simple

[limpid jolt]

Okay you're talking about teamplay I was talking about solo's but anyways

[rich cypress]

the game is built around teamplay changing a skill so its better for solos wouldnt make sense

[summer crystal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491954/loot-system-rework-ver2

[queen adder]

Its time for a wipe

[stuck perch]

We used to have a visible upvote/downvote system and what @hallow acorn said was exactly what happened.

[rich cypress]

preach

[raw latch]

Remove rogues

[rich cypress]

only thing about rouges that need to be changed is their insane damage and their abillity to control fights with their invis

[raw latch]

the game state is unbelievably boring. Get gear to die to a rogue thats invis, even if they fuck up and somehow dont kill you, they are the fastest class in the game and can easily run away until invis is back up. I got 2 tapped while being 200hp barb.

[grizzled fog]

Me when a class does what it was designed to do 😂😂😂😂😂

You do not get 2 tapped by a rogue on 200hp 🤣 unless u let him reset all his CDs between both hits

[raw latch]

im not joking i got 2 tapped by a kris dagger while being like 190 hp

[pine comet]

What gear did they have

[grizzled fog]

Pre nerf bis or what

[stuck perch]

Barb and fighter both need to be tankier vs stuff like rogue burst.

[grizzled fog]

Fighter is already super tanky to rogues unless they got hella true phys, barb does die pretty quick

[hushed kettle]

GIVE US BACK NORMAL MATCHING!!!! 1-20 ALL MATCH TOGETHER!!!

[grizzled fog]

Why do u wanna fight noobs as max gear?

[hushed kettle]

Lmao no, I'm tired of fighting noobs with base gear as a level 2 cleric. I want to fight the geared people.

[raw latch]

i cant remeber but no legendary or uniques

[abstract swallow]

yes

[stuck perch]

You mean when rogues do Weakpoint attack and 2 tap fully geared fighters?

[grizzled fog]

Oh, just level, only takes a few hours, I did 1-15 last night in 3

[hallow acorn]

If you would like more race diversity, please check out my suggestions here:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade

[grizzled fog]

Good gear rogue vs dog gear fighter sure

[hushed kettle]

But regardless, I don't even play my level 20 rogue anymore. It's annoying going in with base stuff (I'm poor as hell on my rogue) and running into geared people

[stuck perch]

Nah, great gear fighter vs a rogue with a blue dagger and nothing else.

[grizzled fog]

I feel that, I made like 4 rogues now to play in those lobbies cus there's more pvp, the high lobbies everyone's weird

[hallow acorn]

If you feel there is a huge gear gap between players, please check out my suggestion here:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat

[grizzled fog]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491485/remove-trade-buff-vendors

[rare quiver]

Region lock china

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows
Guys, I have a proposition. One of 2 things needs to happen. Either 1, Arrows and bolts are no longer obtainable from someone you shot. Or 2, Throwing axes and Throwing Knives can be looted like arrows and bolts. If arrows and bolts are only 1 gold per, then by golly I should be able to loot my axes and knives off people since they cost 9X what an arrow does!

[gilded silo]

take out the luck potion and add a dice mechanic to chests? or at least the unlocking mechanic for a higher chance of rare items? what do yall think?

[scarlet temple]

ADD A WAVE EMOTE

[weak plover]

REPORT option for teaming in highrollers goblin caves and gold sellers

[weak plover]

+rep region lock china literally 90% of the problem

[rare quiver]

Every single game that does not region lock china turns to complete trash.

[weak plover]

exactly ruined pubg

[scarlet temple]

MAKE ZWEI VIABLE

[timber karma]

improve storage by allowing you to buy more space and/or rotate objects

[crisp spindle]

just died from randomly casting Protection on an invis rogue that was camping a hallway and he only had like 8 HP left after the fight. They really really need a self-cast modifier key. There is NO WAY you should be able to accidently buff an invis enemy while using magic. I'm no expert, but I don't think that's how magic works.

[swift creek]

What am I supposed to do in normal lobbies as a broke level 20 now??? The matchmaking has made it so everyone is full capes and I’m getting run through every game by full purples and last game a unique. I have 33 gold and can barely ever escape now because of the gear gap. What am I supposed to do? I shot this one other ranger 13 times and he 2 shotted me!

[solemn needle]

rangers are not that broken.... maybe they could fix the arrow speed/damage? but overall ranger is quite balanced

[swift creek]

Fax I think nerf the stun and maybe the triple shot just to change the meta a little and it would be gold

[solemn needle]

note that I don't like rangers - I play as a barbarian and is a pain get to them.... but is fair play

what is broken beyond repair are rouges.... is just amazong seeing 4-5 on GC normal lobbies naked camping the corners.... or the caped person who is flying (that is fair tbh ....)

[crisp spindle]

LMAO no, not everybody is "full capes and full purps" just stop

[solemn needle]

to be fair - I saw couple lobbies with 4 players fully set. again, is not hard getting good set. Just get together and go to ruins/crypts and get gold. GC is really bad place for anything. Unless you are looking for practice AI and player fights

[fast lily]

I think Rangers are 'fixed' if you remove the slow from arrows when they hit and rescale the triple shot to be less crazy burst.

[drowsy grotto]

Hmmm, people are saying bard is too op. Lets nerf him! How about we nerf his main source of benefit, the apple in his eye. Lets totally nerf the 30% fucking damage increase healing benefit he gives his team 🙂
I think a good nerf for bard would probably be the fact he can literally turn off the main damage source of wizards to nerf wizards.
Finally, the fixture that will nerf him in-order to balance him to everyone else is the nerf to his practically permanent shield lockpicking abilities!
Nerf him right or don't nerf him at all, you just made him more annoying to teammates without nerfing his insane damage potential and team protection (if you can't read between the lines)

[tough glacier]

I dont like it, but add gearscore and gearscore que's. too many BIS full blue players in normal lobbies

[trim maple]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492432/all-weapon-abilities-should-be-consumed-after-a-miss

[balmy mural]

my god just get rid of rogues. 80% of any lobby is just full of them.

[lilac lily]

for the love of god make potions+bandages restock after every match regardless of timer

[scarlet temple]

ADD A KUKRI

[frank bluff]

You have completely broken the balance for rangers in early game. As a main ranger running against other players with the same/type of gear makes it so stupid to be having to run for your life to be able to create some distance...... just so that people can instantly catch up to you even if they are all across the map.. they will just run to you and kill you and there is nothing you can do about it.

[plush haven]

then queue up with a lvl 15 or higher

how does this have low upvotes i see things i think are really dumb with 100+ votes https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471284/rotate-items

[grizzled current]

ranger still 2 shotting ppl in plate, no nerfs

[proper field]

did im ever mention working on ways to reduce the 90% rogue/ranger lobbies?

[hallow acorn]

this is one thing people do now to solve this problem... create a gold farming rogue character with a friend and after it reaches level 15 transfer the gold to each others characters that you want to play with...

[proper field]

ffs please dont create more rogues. STOP IT. JUST STOP. i wanna die

[hoary yarrow]

Ight I got a hot take.

1. Rework for rouge. A nerf would make it unpleasant for the player and a buff would make it unpleasant for anyone else.

2. Bows and crossbows need a damage nerf across the board bows should be a support weapon mainly not a main weapon. Longbow should do significantly less damage and normal crossbow should do slightly less damage.

3. Ranger should have a better variety of armor options and sword options to make players feel more comfortable using a melee weapon.

4. Barbarian speed boost should be nerfed. A full clothed barbarian with a hand axe shouldn't outrun a nude rouge running away

5. Throwing axes should stack to 3 so barbarian has a better chance at range

6. Warlock should be able to use throwing knifes, and warmaul

7. Chain lightning should have slightly increased range while also having slightly less damage.

8. Divine strike should have farther range

9. Increase the amount of npc enemy's but also increase player count for all lobby's

[grizzled current]

make high rollers worth going to so super juiced teams stop going in reg lobbies

[pearl glen]

vault trading to stop arg m t

[civic zodiac]

more game mode and steps need to be added

making going to low lobbie a waste

[craggy umbra]

Just an idea (not my idea my buddy was saying this ) should have a in game black market where you bring coins and stuff in to the dungeon to trade have it spawn at three separate locations on the map so none camps just one of them and maybe make it on solos or duos at first just so the camping of the market isn’t so overwhelming at first but I think this would be a great idea and make it so people have access to high range gear but with a risk

[short steppe]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471284/rotate-items

[granite plinth]

split trade and non-trade here https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492352/trader-and-nontrader

[hybrid shoal]

Anyone else struggle seeing the swarm on the minimap because of colorblindness? The shade of red really blends in for me and its hard to see where it is. Might be my monitor, but shouldn't be since its tweaked for the best color visibility

[thick swallow]

bro dont ever write ideas, half of the mare giga stupid, I bet u have never played high rolls

[hoary yarrow]

Funny. I actually only really play hr.

[thick swallow]

So how can u make suggestion to increase player count for lobby? tf, Some games in HR are already hard to finish in time and extract

Barbarian need high ms, he has no range weapon and his only gameplay is run and left click, if he has less ms, he cant never engage on enemy ranger/wizard

Chain lighting suggestion is so bad idea, that spell hits hard af. Even if you have nerfed it it would be broken with better range

[hoary yarrow]

Ok buddy. Cope

[hoary yarrow]

Don't ever write responses. You on mad copium. It's called a opinion. Just because someone has a opinion that you don't like doesn't mean to cry like a toddler because you disagree. You just are making yourself look childish. If you disagree simply keep it to yourself that's the point of a opinion

[thick swallow]

copium? Tf ? thats my pure opinion

[hoary yarrow]

"don't ever write suggestions ever again" isn't a opinion it's a demand

[thick swallow]

OKay, in my opinion, u should never write suggestion if you are not thinking about game balance, happy?

[hoary yarrow]

That's still not a opinion about the game. Your holding a personal grudge because you disagree.

[granite moon]

Personally I think cheese is yummy, add a cheese collectable

[obtuse lichen]

US east naked rogue hr 5 players lobby?

[hoary yarrow]

I main warlock not rouge

[obtuse lichen]

It's already a clusterfuck in a late circles because nobody dies to a mobs and you want to increase max players count even further?

[hoary yarrow]

Every time I play high roller goblin caves I see not a single person most of the time because everyone dies to mobs or cave troll

[obtuse lichen]

Play on the Europe

Had to kill 5 players in 2nd last circle to extract

[waxen flame]

Damn killing 5 people as rogue thats like 5 minutes of waiting..

[wind ridge]

LVL 15 AND UNDER LOBBY/HIGH ROLLER SUGGESTIONS TO IMPROVE GAMEPLAY https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492449/lvl-15-and-under-lobby-suggestions-to-improve-gameplay#comment552861 i would appreciate if you guys would upvote this as i think these suggestions will help with new players coming into the game & players who are still learning mechanics/classes in the game.

[normal thorn]

man I wish strength affected recovery rate while resting because it is pain waiting on barb

[jagged flicker]

I don't upvote broad multi choice stuff. Just make a post with a narrow issue and get results.

[haughty tree]

Agreed, i read that and agreed with 1 or 2 out of 5.

[glacial moon]

Dear iornmace devs -> Please make my account speciel and let me become the 1st dungeon master in-game. I get to choose the dungeon layout, where to put some type of monsters n traps, maybe i could also give some monsters roam ability's or like, i could choose x amount of doors which where magical doors which needed monsters to be slay'n to bypass and when the game begins i would become the dungeon boss. Waiting to slay any orc's, elves, dwarfs, clerics or like who dares to enter the room i spawned in.

[kind galleon]

Ranger Longbow nerf when?

[atomic whale]

rangers want buff, so probably never xD

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491053/fix-your-broken-suggestion-site

XD

[plain bear]

thoughts? upvote?
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492235/dont-make-gear-based-matchmaking-instead-adjust-gear-power

[urban ibex]

I suggest adding some kind of middle tier, a veteran dungeon, between normal and high roller/ranked
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492036/make-3-tiers-of-dungeon-normalveteranhigh-roller

The Idea:
3 tiers of dungeon might bring a bit more balance to lobbys and to the risk/reward for players:

the first tier, which would be what is now normal, would be aimed at people in grey green, players that start or casuals that do not have an economy and want to build themselves a basic kit, with a slightly lower drop rate regarding blue purple + items (maybe more green items then though) to push geared players out.

The second tier, "veteran" difficulty, which would have a higher drop rate (something in between the current normal and high roller) and more red monsters with an occasional nightmare monster. it would be aimed at players with green blue kits

The third which would be the current high roller, that leaderboard is based on. It would be aimed at blue-purple and above kitted guys and those who want to have a go at the leaderboards.

Why:
Currently a lot of average to good players that are correctly geared do not go into high roller as they know they will just get 1-2 tapped by overgeared teams going for the leaderboards (or risk losing gear to a dc but that's another issue).
These geared players in turn stomp players that are in normal as they don't have an economy or just lost all their gear.
(Yes git gud i know, but sometimes you have a bad session, you lose all your gear and it feels almost impossible to gear yourself back up as you get destroyed by gigachadgears every couple of games and the latest swarm update often makes you cross a large part of the map which gives you less time to loot, that or you start in the finish zone).
The system i suggest could also make the "level matchmpools" irrelevant.
Players could still queue any mode they want but there would be no use for a geared team to stay in normal killing grey players.

[jagged flicker]

imo HR should be free, but keep the hell variants big loot.

[charred bluff]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492490/narrow-the-gear-gap-reduce-the-attributes-types-and-give-a-mission-system#comment552911

[cerulean sand]

Maybe fix collision, Use the approximate mesh tool in engine, Would be amazing if arrows didn't hit the invisible collision 3 feet off of things. lol

[urban ibex]

I believe hell must have better drop rates than first floors yup.
To me the problem is not about the price of HR but what they call risk/reward.
The reward is currently not high enough in HR, loot is ok but the risk of dying is very high due to supergeared teams so a lot of teams that should be ok in HR (gear wise) do not go in.
This in turn makes the risk in normal way higher, hence the middle ground i'm looking for with the Veteran difficulty.

[faint onyx]

It absolutely disgusting how neglected and ignored wizard has been. Early game wizard has been absolutely torturous since EA dropped and its a massive issue with the class.

The disparity between Will/Knowledge and Agility/Strength is a problem. Magic damage and cast speed from 2 seperate stats. Or health, damage, move speed and swing speed... Its not even closs.

Solo wizard is the hardest way to play the game. Hands down. Nothing else is even close.

[strange gorge]

fix the footsteps
why i can hear someone walking from far away
but cant hear a barb fully run at me whilst im looting

[granite wind]

Good morning adventurers. A suggestion for your consideration.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491618/trading-enhancements

[timber viper]

[maiden stump]

got DDosed in the game

the server was ddosed, and couple of guys still can play, one dude kill my friend when server starts lagging, you cant fight or even jump, you staggering back to the position, and guys make it when we out of zone

dont know those names, but couple guys just opens blue portals and quit, then ddose over, and the game starts by big words in front, something about server issue, we are staggering back, then after 3 min games starts with game time back

[vocal marsh]

Match making based on having trading license and HR free but locked behind buying a trading license.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492510/make-matchmaking-based-on-trading-license

[maiden stump]

we got full run with server sign issue and how we staggers when i hit headshot to the rang, i guess he is a ddos guy

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/490889/wizard-spell-and-perk-suggestion-3

[granite wind]

👍

[stuck perch]

I'd rather see the next tier of dungeon come with it's own high roller. Instead of increasing the quality of loot in HR you increase the quantity.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484028/fixing-over-geared-people-in-lower-lobbies-motivating-better-geared-people-to-mo#comment544273

[icy egret]

remove rogues from game

[jagged flicker]

[icy egret]

i aint angry lmao i play barb i one tap this rats

[languid sapphire]

Reduce rapier nerf to the same as falchion nerfs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/18Oa-_e8_Q9vgLLYBAUDsaULylbEk_8XVw4EfZZj6ejc/htmlview?pli=1#gid=555268174

I'm a bard main and I don't know what weapon to use now

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486846/add-
Just want both CLASSIC and new elf face to exist as options. -I miss the OG face I paid for initially.

https://imgur.com/a/waqow4f

[velvet spear]

Maybe add more unique items named like "viola", a dark magic staff (for example the lich staff) and when u cast spells, they change colors like dark or purple fireball etc... And add a unique named rogue item would be great, and will change the unique playstyle of rogues, so they dont need to play viola

[glad flicker]

There are a lot of imbalance issues going on not even from a class balance perspective, but due to you developers making changes, you guys need to do a wipe.

1. The best players are still out there running plus three to all stats, while nobody else can have a chance at that power.
2. Players who had access to the trading post before the new restrictions set in are chilling with full inventories. I have 3 guys in this situation, these games I have played have been absolutely no fair for the other players.
3. Rangers can still access the trading post before level 15 (not sure how this hasn’t been immediately addressed).

I honestly have no idea why a wipe wouldn’t have happened after all of this, but it needs to happen asap

[tulip hill]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, they should add a unique crystal sword that references Glamdring (Gandalf's sword)

[velvet spear]

oooh nice one yeah, i think they need to add more "custom" weapon

[tulip hill]

custom weapons? wdym?

[knotty berry]

Once again reporting more disconnects today. Unbelievably frustrating. Probably 1/6 games today.

[tulip hill]

fair enough to report them but I'm not sure the suggestion discussion channel is the place for that

[median owl]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491331/wizards-can-selfbuff-only-with-haste-and-invis
Basically stopping buffball meta and comps from being op while reverting some of the power changes

[empty valve]

Theres a bug where some classes sometimes have skill checks still

[gaunt iris]

There should be a notification sound for a party invite

[tulip hill]

TRUE!

[tulip hill]

Do you think self cast only should also be extended to ignite, if for nothing else but to keep it consistent between all their spells?
it would be a little weird if wizard has a single support spell

perhaps then also they could introduce a perk that allows the wizard to cast these, and other future buffs, on their allies (though maybe with reduced effectiveness in some way)

[median owl]

i mean ignite did not make any problems teamwise but haste and invis constantly either make problems for some team comps being op or make wizard totaly nerfed to the ground it goes liek this almost a year

[solemn knoll]

for additional maps, a deep forest map would be pretty cool 🙂

[polar basin]

How about shields on back block hits

[tulip hill]

I know, but design wise it would be strange to take away all but 1 support tools from a class
look at it like this, if we make Haste and Invis self cast only and then a new player comes along who has never experienced the game before this change might wonder "why can wizard cast ignite on their friends but not these other buffs, seems kinda lame :/"

[median owl]

yeah i see your point but we will ahve more utility spells, and this probably needs to happen or just halved on others i guess

[south trout]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492546/give-a-spot-for-junk-quality-items-to-be-stored

[queen adder]

Wipe time.

[south trout]

QoL suggestion for grey items.

[woven chasm]

Idea for archer, give them a quiver that takes up the cape spot to help them with inventory space and let the quiver go into their stash so they can store arrows finally.

[orchid zodiac]

revert the lvl 15 lobby change
i am too bad as a lvl 15 player to handle others lvl 15+ chads

i just die to everyone its unplayable now ):

[plain bear]

they are working on a quiver, and no it shouldnt take cape's spot

[woven chasm]

If they could make a spot for it exclusively that would be ideal, however if it took a cape spot I would run that over a cape and it may be easier for the to integrate it.

[plain bear]

that would be a big nerf for rangers, the quiver could just be a normal item you can put arrows into, like bags for coins

[glacial sphinx]

doesnt have to be a big nerf though? It could have some stats, maybe slightly less than a cloak only

[woven chasm]

I see, it could be as long as the arrows and be 2 spots wide for inventory, also it could have a few stats maybe 1-2 agility, no armor and one or two stats and then take up the cape spot.

[fast lily]

None of the classes are done yet. If Haste + Invis is too good together they could either increase the spell memory cost of them or move them around + give additional spells.

[granite steppe]

What do you guys think of this nerf for ambush rogues. Instead of getting ambush as soon as you go stealth you have to be in stealth for 2-3 seconds to actually get the buff. Since rn they just pop stealth/pot/mage invis/ mid fight for free 1 taps.

[hexed latch]

Hire me to ban the trade chat bots. I dont even need to get paid. I'm so tired of fighting the wall of text.

I am like the terminator. I protect the the players with my big robot muscles and take on the swarm. I will decimate the bots leaving nothing but fired circuitry.

[tulip hill]

I've suggested something similar, though instead of the buff turning on like a switch it would build up over time
probably something along the lines of 10% bonus every second stacking up to 5 times

[patent mauve]

Delete silver coins from High roller drop tables

[median blaze]

My suggestion: let certain weapons be able to trigger bear traps. Imo a barb should be able to swing at a trap and break/trigger it. Kinda don't see why a big axe wielding hunk of athleticism couldn't just break it with his weapon

[charred bluff]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492490/narrow-the-gear-gap-reduce-the-attributes-types-and-give-a-mission-system#comment552911

[charred bluff]

Agree

[tough hemlock]

Should add the ability to rename characters

[rapid osprey]

Add Gear Score Or max item quality (like rare/blue) to go in normal mod. You gonne feel less the gap between bad and monster stuff instantly. This will add FUN with more "equal duel based" and more epic battle. High GS in HR only. You have a great game

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492606/gs-based-or-max-quality-item-in-nm

[raven wind]

I think that this suggestion would help a lot more than a gear score system. Please take a look https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492608/update-to-the-highroller-and-trade-system

[south trout]

Minor QoL improvement that seems simple enough to implement. Please take a look
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492546/give-a-spot-for-junk-quality-items-to-be-stored

[neat mantle]

Elden Ring PvP had same issue as this game, and that's one shots suck. Lower damage for everyone to extend the length of fights and you'll have a better game on your hands. Js.

[scarlet creek]

Guys, I have a proposition. One of 2 things needs to happen. Either 1, Arrows and bolts are no longer obtainable from someone you shot. Or 2, Throwing axes and Throwing Knives can be looted like arrows and bolts. If arrows and bolts are only 1 gold per, then by golly I should be able to loot my axes and knives off people since they cost 9X what an arrow does!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484425/make-francisca-axes-and-knifes-pickable-from-dead-bodies-like-arrows

[rapid osprey]

i like your idea too, the goal is to make something because rn lobby trio full gear is hard. in the end its very similar to mine

[granite plinth]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/489361/non-high-roller-queues

[remote wing]

I feel like they should make the races +/- a bit more impactful for example orc being +2str/-4agil

[limpid niche]

Skins should not have any stats tied to them IMO

[warped coral]

is it just me or does anyone else think that in return of achilles gutting they could turn barb into more of a tank by making savage roar and war cry bonus health not drain your original health(i.e pop war cry, get hit once and AFTER war cry fades you have full health if it doesnt go over the war cry bonus health)

[strange sonnet]

+1/-1 is just a bit of flavour without any actual power in game but if you increase this more the pay to win races will show up...

[remote wing]

How about +1/-3 then?

[strange sonnet]

tha would cause the pay to lose situation 😄

i would never for example play orc barbarian if it caused me to lose 3 agility, 1 i barely notice, 3 you can feel

[remote wing]

Where I come from is that rogue/ranger can gain a str which is huge and only lose a literal -1 movespeed

[strange sonnet]

i do not mind removing the stats fully, that would be fine too for me

[dense thunder]

Anyone looking to deepen the story further hit me up with a DM. I'm writing backstories and quests for the enemies, npcs, and Player Characters in my free time.

[neat mantle]

Spawn in, do closest centipede, check for Skele Champ, do troll, hit the secret extract boom free profit.
Do that for 3 hours.
Come back in kitted, wondering wtf you're supposed to do anymore.
Realize there was no point to any of it.
Die to a Ranger headshot, or Rogue camping zone.
Uninstall.
Natural cycle.

Solos have no end content

[hollow trout]

its a trade off, however, the str one is really strong with how strong str is in general.
i've been saying this for awhile. stats need adjusting in this game. people attribute "x class is op" no the STATS/Mods on gear is OP.

[bright sluice]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491974/low-roller-lobbies

[limpid niche]

Cosmetics shouldnt give you an advantage

[hallow acorn]

it all depends on the class... the less of a certain attribute your class has, the more benefit it gets from it...

[hallow acorn]

they really should not, because different classes would get too much of a bonus from the trade off.... imagine race that has -10 Physical Healing / +10 Magical Healing as a tradeoff... Warlocks would be insanely broken, but if it would be just -1 Phys/+1 Mag Healing, then its just a little boost for the class if you would like to play more with spells and less with campfires/bandages...

[proud dragon]

tdm gamemode or free for all gamemode with respawns

or with one life arena type match

[daring trail]

I lean more on the side of it should only be cosmetic, but +/- 1 base stat really isnt that big of a deal to me.

it would be very different if we were talking about -1 physical healing for +1 magical healing though. magical healing is huge for clerics and warlocks. that +1 magical healing on a warlock is much more significant than 1 agi on a rogue, or 1 str on a fighter

[remote wing]

Well the example I gave out were very small numbers and the trade off being -2 net stats

[hollow trout]

thaaats not this game.

[vestal trench]

Wondering if bard tranquility song will be reworked? The sitting down party makes that song almost useless, it also makes the magical healing stat so useless on a bard. I think reducing the heal amount, and increasing the length of the duration (to like 40-45 seconds or something?) would allow it to scale with magical healing stats on items, and actually make it useful. Clerics can reliably heal during comat, and drink a few pots/sit at a campfire and they're able to fully heal their team DURING combat again, whereas bards are limited to buffing team. I think the bard tranquility spell literally only saves you from buying a couple bandages, cause why would a team with gear sit down to heal marginally faster when they can just drink a pot and hit 1-2 bandages and it's litterally faster than sitting down with tranquility on.

[hollow trout]

they said the bard class was gonna get completely reworked.

[main oasis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491213/light-improvements-to-diversify-melee-combat#comment553097 make the big number go up

[vestal trench]

Fighters should have another perk called armor mastery. Like weapon mastery, it would allow them to equip any armor item from any class.

[daring trail]

some decent suggestions, some not, too much assuming people feel the same exact way as you. cant upvote in current form

[main oasis]

Which ones are decent?

[hallow acorn]

those tradeoffs should shift the player by one tier max, the rest is upto Race related perks that will come later (i think i have read this statement somewhere, don't know where exactly)....

[empty valve]

Im not sure thatd really be worth it, since fighters armor gives the highest armor rating, there would be no point to run it unless they remove the -10% armor pen

[deft zenith]

Revert the changes to the swarm. The pacing of the game is in shambles. Too many people alive at the end of the game, too many people ignoring mobs in rooms and running through them. Pacing of game feels off

[vestal trench]

The reason is that fighters are almost useless unless they are completely decked out with AR gear, and even then they are suuuuuper slow. The ability to equip any armor would allow fighters to have more options while running slayer builds, as well as possibly use items from other classes that are generally useless, such as a wizard/warlock gear with physical power/weapon damage stats.

[hallow acorn]

please support your claims with evidence and create a suggestion if the reality matches your experience... this is not a channel to cry about stuff...

[daring trail]

I enjoy making missing more punishing. i think the slow when you swing is good, you shouldnt be able to move at max speed while swinging, regardless of connection. fighters and barbarians just full move speed swinging sounds super bad.

Also put a turn speed cap on swinging. yeah, no. These people who swing their mouse wildly, are not an issue as they are hitting your limbs. Aim for the head and youll actually kill people. being able to correct a swing due to a crouch/lean movement is acceptable imo -- and also typically ends in a limb shot still

[vestal trench]

please upvote my quiver idea for rangers and poooossibly fighters. You can read the idea here https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492649/quivers-for-rangers-and-possibly-fighters

[main oasis]

That's fair, I think I'll recreate the post without the turncap at some point, as for the movement speed one, I believe the first swing should be able to be at full speed, not that they can consistently swing at running pace. The way it works now does a lot to stop you from being able to punish a bad swing without being too slow to leave their range in return, and it's simply not fun to have a mechanic in the game thats slows fights to a crawl before damage is even dealt.

[steep vessel]

Upvote https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492652/eat-player-hearts

[hallow acorn]

There are already quivers in the game. Each bow has a magazine that you can fill up from your inventory. The thing you are asking about is to create a separate space for the arrows that won't fill up your inventory. Like a backpack that you can put into the cloak slot that will increase the space of your inventory, so that you can store the arrows there.

I feel like you want an automatic inventory sorter so that you don't have to manually create a space for arrows when you are full of loot instead.

[vestal trench]

Mostly it's not adding anything to the game that's not there. Rangers wearing a quiver instead of a cloak doesn't offer any game breaking stat gains. It also makes it so rangers don't lose inventory space from arrows, which is unfair compared to other classes given that arrows take up much more than other consumables like pots/bandages for example. The idea is for rangers to be able to use a quiver INSTEAD of a cloak. Additionally, if the ranger wants to use a really good cloak instead of a basic quiver, that is a decision they will have to make.

[hallow acorn]

That's a little barbaric... the issue is that people would use the option to pick-up other players hearts, so that the enemy team could not come back later and maybe revive them...

[vestal trench]

also If you look at higher tier players, they are rolling with like 6-8 stacks of arrows, the quiver having the possibility of higher inventory space like 2x3 for grey/white, 3x3 for green/blue, 4x3 for epic/legendary maybe allows the space to scale with gear. Even if a ranger had a legendary/epic quiver (4x3) they will likely still have 3 or 4 stacks in their inventory anyways. The idea is to kind of mitigate the face that rangers lose inventory space where other classes are not dealing with that issue.

[daring trail]

The way it works now does a lot to stop you from being able to punish a bad swing without being too slow to leave their range in return, and it's simply not fun to have a mechanic in the game thats slows fights to a crawl before damage is even dealt.

I think this mainly only applies to fighter/barb. and there is positives and negatives to each.
Full plate fighter will rarely have the movespeed to 'punish' a missed swing by getting a hit off and running out of melee distance. They just have a favorable trade now

Barbarian punishes a missed swing, by 1 shotting, or 2 shotting his opponent. If the barbarian misses his swing, its usually over for him if he has a 2h, but if he connects with a felling axe for example, the next swing will actually be faster

[opaque garden]

for the love of fucking god why do we only have like 10 mins in raid, all these raids just feel major rushed, tarkov gives u like 50 mins. shits crazy whole time I feel like were running from zone from the beggining and cant even loot are kills after fights sometimes. christ just increase the raid times

[atomic whale]

XD dude tarkov is terrible it takes way too much time

[main oasis]

Nah pretty universally it's fairly hard to get a hit without it being a trade against everyone but barbarian if both peoples movement are decent I've tried it with a friend with both rogue and fighter and if both peoples movement are good it's wildly difficult to punish a miss without making it a trade, like a 20ms margin which would be impossible to do with consistency against randoms considering desync,

[steep vessel]

Thats the whole point, If you eat a enemy heart the enemy team cannot revive the persons heart who was eaten.

[hallow acorn]

The main issue i have with this suggestion is that people would use the option to pick-up other player's heart, so that the enemy team could not come back later to pick it up and maybe revive them.

The second issue i have is that when you attack a player with default gear, you should not be rewarded just like that with a heal potion (in form of heart) when you kill them. Every time you enter the dungeon you should be prepared to take damage and have heal supplies to recover with accordingly. If you find a heal potion on the enemy, then that should be just a bonus.

If you need heals there are plenty ways to get them (skills, spells, shops, shrines,...).

This makes sense maybe as a perk for warlock or barbarian, but the main issue would still not change.

[daring trail]

well first you have to realize there is very few classes you are just trading in melee with.

rogues can dance with barbs ez, like a barb with a 2h can NEVER hit a rogue that knows how to use WASD. Very easy to punish a barb on rogue.
Fighter you cant really punish a barb like that, assuming you are in full plate. if you dont have full plate on you can definitely move out for the 2h swing.
Barb cant punish while using a 2h, the only punish you get is if you hit your shots and 1-2 shot someone. That is kinda the barbs MO tho, just smash and destroy
Yea if a rogue misses his first shot, you cant just move out of the way for his 2nd shot, i think that kind of the advantage of having a low damage/fast attacking weapon though. you just have to kill him first if he tries to all-in you

Any other class youd find in melee is likely not worth talking about because its not really a 'fight'. warlocks one shot you or you one shot them in melee, if you find a bard solo they are kiting you all day. wizard in melee

I guess you could include cleric here, but inside of a solo scenario, they are likely using 1-2 spells, judgement, and maybe getting 1-2 melees off before you are dead. its not much of a 'melee trade'

[tulip hill]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492668/display-numeric-health-on-hud

[main oasis]

Ultimatly all classes are able to trade in melee and while the post is melee class centric I still strongly believe that leaving it permanently in a state of rock paper scissors with upsets relying on how bad your enemy is rather than how good you are is just less fun, I'm not trying to say the current melee system is in dysfunction, just that it's bland

[neat mantle]

Just do a blanket nerf on all damage by 50% it'll stop one shots and reduce incentive to camp for the ambush first hit.

[neat finch]

Something has to be done. Rogues are about the biggest feel bad in the entire game beyond social issues like teaming and cheating. There is no reason they have the absurd tools they have and other classes shouldn't have to bend to get even a fighting chance against a single class.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492672/rogues-apparently-magical

[neat mantle]

Fixes your whole game by just doing a blanket damage nerf

Or make the solution overly convulted and try more balance things that won't work till you settle back on damn should've just done a blanket nerf like that one random said
Gl w game either way want much success

[daring trail]

yeah class balance right now is rock paper scissors, x counters y, y counters z, and z counters x.

"relying on how bad your enemy is rather than how good you are"
This goes both ways, if you are good and won the fight, then technically the enemy is worse than you? That doesnt take away from what you had to do for the win. This is just a bad statement in general. Its pretty universal that if someone is bad at a game, they will mostly lose.
I would say being knowledgeable about all classes and making tactical decisions is whats gonna win you these trades.

[tulip hill]

no comment on if that would actually make the game healthier, however I do think increasing health would be better than decreasing damage
if you decrease player damage you are also making PvE tankier and I think time to kill PvE is fine atm

[rich cypress]

wizard though is the strongest class by far with ranger/rouge being the only counter

[hallow acorn]

If you would like to have more race options, please check out this suggestion:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492021/dwarfgoblinhalfling-race-lowered-headshot-increased-limb-damage-multiplier-trade

[daring trail]

i totally agree.
but look at that, still a counter to them

[rich cypress]

can be negated by having a cleric and a frontline though the counter only being 2 people compared to what they can do is miniscule

[hallow acorn]

If you feel like there is big gear gap between players, please check out this suggestion:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492066/dynamic-npc-vendor-prices-affected-by-market-value

[daring trail]

if you are going to assume the wizard has a team, you have to assume the ranger has a team aswell. Anything that doesnt one shot a cleric can heal through.

[rich cypress]

pushing a wizard gotta be one of the hardest things in this game to do tbh

[daring trail]

yeah thats why you dont do it

[rich cypress]

circle.

[daring trail]

have your ranger get shots off before hand, or go a different way. The zone doesnt immediately kill you

[rich cypress]

im talking about endgame when you have to fight for portals

[daring trail]

right but just as easily as a wizard can deny a push, a ranger can deny that wizard a health pool

[tulip hill]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492668/display-numeric-health-on-hud
can't think of a reason why this shouldn't be a thing :)

[main turret]

Yep. 1-2 shots and wizard is dead. Any blue long bow can pretty much 1 headshot wizards

[rich cypress]

what most teams do though for that counter is ranger cleric wizard for 2 people to hold range on the enemy

[neat mantle]

I figured they'd like PvE to be more difficult. Good suggest though

[daring trail]

every time that wiz peaks for a fireball, your ranger should have an arrow sunk into the wizards chest or head

[rich cypress]

so it comes down to if the enemies ranger is better than your ranger you lose most of the time?

[main oasis]

The point of the statement is that if both people are decent, the fight will not come down to skill, because the skill ceiling is too low. I'm sorry you could not grasp that, and once again in the suggestion I pointed out that while strategy lends itself well to winning fights it does not address that currently fights temselves are mid

[daring trail]

Well, yeah, in most scenarios if you are worse then your opponent, you will lose?

[rich cypress]

its a teamplay game i dont play ranger im just talking about situations such as that when having the only way to counter meta is to have a ranger who is better than the enemies ranger thats not exactly good game design

ranged is this game in any capacity is stonger than almost anything because of how slow paced it is

[daring trail]

yea, 100%. i dont play ranger either, but if the ranger on my team cant hit shots like the ranger on the other team, we are at a serious disadvantage.

Thats not bad game design, thats your ranger is bad at the game

[rich cypress]

having a meta where if you dont play a specific 3 characters you have a disadvantage is bad game design

[tulip hill]

I always felt the PvE was more intended to be an obstacle to slow people down and they do that job well enough until you get into the higher end of gear

[main turret]

Hot take : i think each class should have preferred stats and those stats affect each class differently. Like a rogue or ranger should be able to stack agi and still get some hp, even if its only at half the benefit. Wizard/cleric/bard same thing. Maybe one scales with will or knowledge or agi different than the others. Its pretty wild to me each class scales the same with all stats class wide. I think a lot could help balance classes and stats on gear by just making classes focus on certain stats over others.

[daring trail]

now this actually makes sense