suggestion-discussion

[south topaz]

They always spawn inside circle.
But since the last 2 are spawning at the time the last ring shrink you will likely see them outside of the circle.

[inland bobcat]

wiz does have the new starting staff

[grave stirrup]

wizard had a huge buff 2 betas ago and people cried rivers and they got nerfed to stone. this is a welcome update

[lone crescent]

I'm convinced in the future Wizard would be able to go all lighting, all frost, all fire, etc...

[arctic lagoon]

they need to tune down the buffing and inviz stuff and focus more on the elemental spells

[inland bobcat]

a ball of lightning trap would be neat

[lone crescent]

I hope they don't add elemental damage as rolls

[grave stirrup]

the balance was awful, hence the meleewizard meta that was just incredibly cringe. Wizards should be spitting hot fire and cold ice

[odd coyote]

since release, the betas were before release, also it wasn't because of people complaining, their decisions come from checking the game statistics

[woven marsh]

100%

[grave stirrup]

their decisions were heavily influenced by the "ELITE" discord they invite the top 1% players into for feedback

[lone crescent]

Sorcerer will become dps mage and Wizard will be support

[obtuse rover]

Make it so you could solo/duo/trio every map

[lusty narwhal]

mmmm are they even gonna make a sorc?

[odd coyote]

that just makes boss runs have no risk, if you want to kill the boss you need to be safe about having a escape and clean your enemies

[inland bobcat]

what about more utility spells like seting up an alarm that you can cast on a area and you hear a sound when a non friendly person walks through it

[lone crescent]

Now it's an incomplete class with something from both

[robust bison]

maybe because ppl want to just go doing customs?

[grave stirrup]

and yea i agree with you there man

[fast lily]

This is actually sorta what normal tabletop games sorta do, you know? You can make a blaster wizard or support sorcerer but normally Wizard is more supportive and Sorcerer has stuff that improves damage.

[lone crescent]

@lusty narwhal i remember them saying that they are gonna split the class into 2, but i can't 100% confirm that

[odd coyote]

they literally got stats logs for the game, you do realize that, right?

[lusty narwhal]

i mean plenty of times players run boss and they die to boss, ofc there's risk

[grave stirrup]

yes but you also realize they have an elite discord that they invite the top players into right ?

specifically for feedback

[odd coyote]

the elite bosses are literally so easy that the only risk is stumbling on another party or having no portals

[lusty narwhal]

hmmm so are they planning on all D&D classes? Druid obv, sorc, paladin? artificer?

[lone crescent]

They maybe plan on doing utility and buffer Wizard and Sorcerer as different classes

[odd coyote]

this is not the betas anymore, i haven't heard of a single leaderboard player saying they got called for feedback

[lone crescent]

Yeah, Druid and Monk are confirmed, Artificer could be insane

[arctic lagoon]

sorcerer focuses on dark magics maybe summoning while wizard focuses on other spells

[inland bobcat]

maybe not artificer due to it being a later addition but that would be interesting,

[lusty narwhal]

oop i forgot monk, oh man monk will be ridiculous, move speed lmaooo

[obtuse rover]

Make so you could change skins without getting your attributes changed

[patent stag]

imagine making a statement based on another argument and assuming someones playstle.

[fast lily]

Yeah but why waste money and time developing something that has no functional purpose to the game when they can just add more stuff to make the current gameplay and features better? There is no point to making an offline mode to a game like Dark and Darker lol

[odd coyote]

the only people who complain about fighters are bad rangers and even worse rogues, literally everyone ignores fighter resistances to the point of making it useless, and lobsters are infamous fo rbeing good farm for that reason

[grave stirrup]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ZealousGracefulCroquetteVoteNay-7ZAI978-F8aIMI4r

there you go pal

try and refute that

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[lone crescent]

I don't get it, devs said no PvE mode and i admire them for that statement while people are complaining.

The gaming industry is trash cause companies and developers want to appeal to everyone while to make a good game you need to stick to your own vision no matter what

[lusty narwhal]

cheers to that

[odd coyote]

jay is giving feedback? where in the name of god are the fighter changes then

i'd be willing to bet that was a joke

[patent stag]

I have played every class extensively, my statements were based of of the suggestion of raising the pdr cap of fighters to 99%. my argument is that if you are able to be that much of a tank you should sacrifice self sustain and dmg output for it.

[grave stirrup]

4 days ago he knew bout zap nerf

dude literally said graysun gave the streamers 3 hours to give him feedback

[lusty narwhal]

if people wanna buy a PvPvE game and then complain that they have to PvP, that's a personal problem lol

[lusty narwhal]

nah i've watched plenty other streamers talk about the elite discord as well, it's not BS

[lucid vortex]

Jay isn't the only one giving feedback I imagine.

[odd coyote]

everyone knew about zap nerf, it was a hitscan spell that could be cast for 48dmg, each, in 0.23s on a pretty cheap wizard build

[lusty narwhal]

what's important though is just because you are good at the game doesn't mean that they have good ideas, from what i've heard they've implemented maybe like 2 suggestions they've made in that discord channel

[inland bobcat]

i dont want a PvE mode or offline mode. I wish there was a way for me and also my friends that i have cued up with can go into the starting lobby to practice some things and use the training dummys and targets that you have little to no time to get to before a round

[odd coyote]

yeah, no shit, if thats actually happening he's not the only one, but two handed fighters are useless rn if they go clamshell and shit, you're pretty much forced to play sword and board if you want to compete pvp highroller

[lone crescent]

Barbarian could be insanely good with the +3 all modifiers, this could be the indirect buff they needed

[odd coyote]

barbs will feel better in play when rangers stop outrunning then while wlaking backwards

[lone crescent]

That's a good idea, devs said it's a low priority and they will maybe do it at some point

[tiny pewter]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482600/give-us-back-tombs

[lone crescent]

A geared Barbarian could straight up lose to a grey Ranger atm

[polar junco]

They really need to change the tooltip for the action speed stat to show that it impacts attack speed, cause it's really not obvious

[odd coyote]

jay just discovered troll parrying

[lone crescent]

I'm surprised and disappointed they didn't nerfed Ranger and/or buffed Barbarian

[polar junco]

would take 10 seconds

[inland bobcat]

special barb gear that has lower damage reduction for more bonus move speed

[lone crescent]

Honestly i could be happy with a perk to reduce ms penalty on 2handers

And this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482531/raise-the-drop-rate-of-northern-full-tunic

[inland bobcat]

that would be nice

maybe that will be something they add to the skill tree

[keen pawn]

suggestions in your opinion to balance them better?

[lucid vortex]

Idk, bugged Longsword parry riposte damage still slaps, still get ruined by high gear rogues though. Idk, I disagree with some of your takes but at least you have the experience to back it up. Like clearing other players in time for boss means clearing every single room of rat rogues and wizards. Me and my group have been wiped too many times to completely silent players who didn't even bother to clear out pvp and just walked invisible across rooms slightly disturbing the mobs because they just got all the escape portals and we didn't even though we cleared the boss. I want to be rewarded for killing the boss without others contesting it, not punished. If I have to clear out PVP and PVE after killing a boss for a chance to get out, then what's the point of the gold pile, just bulldozer the boss and get ruined by grey gears trying to rat some blue purple equipment out of chests? I want to loot, not hunt people with nothing.

[lone crescent]

I have one for Barb, for Ranger moaybe minus some points of damage and less slowdown on hit
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/479298/make-twohander-barbarian-great-again

[odd coyote]

Riposte damage will oneshot everything that isn't a heavy fighter or a raging barbarian, even then you need 48 weapon damage to two tap a full golden barb with rage, yet, unless you're magic and can parry more than one or two arrows during a fight you'll probably just die off to most of your armor being ignored, specially now with the tiny projectile resistance and that you can't parry wiz frostbolts anymore for some goddam reason. Two handed fighter is in a horrible, horrible spot when geared, i play longsword pervert to farm but thats really the only place where its not a net loss over time.

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[inland bobcat]

have a perks that change how some weapons work would be a good mix up

[odd coyote]

also if you're losing a post boss fight to greys then thats on you, seriously, but HR crypts could very well improve by having a 3man blue portal at the end rather than the single's, same way ruins has it

[tulip hill]

how would you support that mechanically? M1 attacks and M2 casts spells

[odd coyote]

"i should get a helicopter"
"but how will it work?"
"i ain't a game designer"

[patent stag]

add a keybind for alt moves with weapons

[acoustic sage]

Suggestion:
Shirtless wizards should be buff
like absolutely jacked, unbelievably shredded

[inland bobcat]

buff wizard skin

[lucid vortex]

We're not losing fights to these players, they're getting out of raid ASAP by hunting blue portals invisible and only taking free loot from chests. These players have a single trolls blood popped to tank storm and just loot side chests and avoid PVE. There is no fight to be had, they just take blue portals and leave, and if 3 or more do it? Your team doesn't get out.

[tulip hill]

okay but by that logic most weapons should be able to parry
but you specifically chose a weapon that brings up a mechanical issue with the idea

[lone crescent]

Did anyone tried flute Fighter?

[lucid vortex]

Yes why?

[lone crescent]

For memes

[inland bobcat]

i saw a vid of a warlock pary with flute and BoC

[odd coyote]

well, yeah, scavenging is a bit of a meme, its why i said the 3man portal at the end would be a improvement, have two singles spawn over time and a 3pop one at the very end like on ruins

[patent stag]

when you could still equip bard instruments on other classes yes, you get the deer in headlights reaction when you parry with flute pretty often

[lucid vortex]

BRBAFK

[lone crescent]

Can't you still equip them with weapon mastery?

[tulip hill]

imagine getting smoked by a 50 damage flute smack

[patent stag]

I havent tried tbh

[inland bobcat]

you might be onto something...

[lone crescent]

Goblin Caves flute run

[keen pawn]

yeah I am curious what the fix is for both. Would love to see all classes feel good. I played all the classes over the opening period and by far Barb felt the worst. Ranger felt the best, but Fighter felt the strongest.

[tulip hill]

on a related note I had this simple perk idea for barbarian a few days ago
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/481045/barbarian-perk-relentless

[lone crescent]

I prefer built in less reduction to movement speed while attacking for all 2handed axes.

Typical 2hander Barb gameplay: you rage, you get close, you press left click and they run out of you range

Horseman's axe is absolute meta only cause they nerfed the shit out of every other Barb weapons

[tulip hill]

oh yeah, don't get me wrong, this isn't intended to be a fix for barbarian as a whole, I just thought that perk would be a nice addition to barbarian's options

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[keen pawn]

how do you change the mechanics to cast a spell with staff vs perry? Hold E to select tap E to cast?

[odd coyote]

typical barb gameplay; you put your weapon away, you run to them, you take it out, they die

stop running with your weapon in hand

[zealous adder]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482617/floating-combat-text Adds the option to turn on damage indicator in game settings

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482566/instead-of-nerfing-spells-please-remove-damage-from-some-item-slots

Consider voting on this suggestion please if you haven't already, in my view the main issue with spell scaling is the high amount of available added damage, because it applies multiple times to certain spells. It's the reason ignite can be so broken with a fast weapon and the reason Locust swarm was in the past for example.

[south topaz]

@fallen oracle
You gain parry hitbox either when attacking or casting spell
Eithern way broken.
Trying to brute-force a solution that doesn't make the staff all of a sudden broken will leaves a protentional programming trap in the future that makes the game harder to maintain.

[keen pawn]

Welcome to Dark and Darker community, where you try to have a conversation but run into entitled pricks who think they are god. Nice

[patent stag]

This is a real issue for barbs, you either need movement buffs from a bard/wizard on top of your rage and get them backed into a corner or get the drop on them when they are stuck between you and mobs. This is why if i was running a 2h wep I started using bardiche. nowhere near the dmg output of axes but it has just a little extra range. running up with fists hit with achillis strike pull out bardiche and hack away.

[odd coyote]

upvote the fixes for highroller sniping problems

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482346/remove-spectators-from-highroller

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482356/add-a-antirematch-system-to-the-highroller-queue

[tulip hill]

you never addressed this point :) @fallen oracle
if a wooden post can parry why can't all weapons?

[languid rain]

has anyone trouble too purchasing the game? xsolla seem to be down

[tulip hill]

if we remove spectators won't that make it harder to catch and report cheaters?

[languid rain]

worked now

[south topaz]

Talking about cheater, have you seen those 1000g for 0.9USD go to XXX.XXX ads flooding the marketplaces?

[keen pawn]

I wish Tarkov had spectator mode :/

[odd coyote]

ah yes, we know for a fact thats why you're spectating right? its not to snipe on people on HR, am i right

[patent stag]

I do not play goblin caves often, when you say sniping do you mean people are "grouped" by que syncing into hr lobbies?

[tulip hill]

yeah, never really looked into it though, that kind of stuff is morally questionable and probably a scam anyways

[odd coyote]

no, sniping means someone joins the game alongside you, naked, and repeat until they're in the same lobby, then they suicide and use spectate to give away positions to their premades to hunt down people, specially on caves where you get duos and trios doing that, whenever you kill a juiced player on caves its almost guaranteed that you'll get snipped next round

[lethal drift]

suggestion: new weapon, add flails

[tulip hill]

there are only two reasons I spectate, to check a sus person for a little bit and to learn from someone more skilled than I

[south topaz]

Too bad, they are probably real.
And they almost certainly use hacks to gain money fast.
Experienced from many other game which have boosting services.
I would say an innocence player wont even attempt to make those deal, so I feel like that posting these ads is enough evdience to ban those people (Attempting to make unthorized profits + Spam + Extremely high likelyhood of cheating)

[odd coyote]

then go do it on normals, on HR, where the stakes are high and the player count is low spectate is used for sniping

[tulip hill]

I'm sorry, did you just tell me not to play HR because I don't use spectate to, for lack of a better word, cheat?

[abstract swallow]

the two of you are not having the same conversation

[patent stag]

ok so yeah they are que syncing to spectate for their buddies that are in the same lobby. yeah getting rid of spectating and adding a antirematch system is a must then.

[obtuse socket]

MAKE FIGHTER WEAPON MASTERY PERK AS A SKILL FOR BALANCE

[keen pawn]

Well, IMO I would rather give them a chance at 1/10 spots than get rid of a tool that can almost guarantee catching a cheater when the occasion happens. But again, that is my opinion.

[south topaz]

Anti-rematch + No match if has been in same team for 1 week is enough (Somewhat solve the sniping issue).
Taking Away spectate is the fastest way to gain cheaters.

[tulip hill]

its a completely passive ability, making a skill, which are active abilities, is questionable
why do you think its should be a skill?

[abstract swallow]

in what world is the population so small you can queue snipe but big enough you can force no rematches

[obtuse socket]

A fighter using a longbow is insanely strong, along with either using sprint and or second wind is a little too much, kind of how they made hand crossbows a perk for Rogues, making Weapon Mastery a skill even though its passive would give a contender for the two most used skills for fighters.

[odd coyote]

i doubt cheater reports are having a big impact right now, most of them will be clever enough not to snapshot people gets while invisible and shit not to get caught, and player recording is not a solution for hacking, i'm very sure they are working on a integrity check system and we might even get a better once once it goes back on steam

[patent stag]

I have no personal experience since i dont really play goblin caves, but if spectating is being abused to snipe like that then something obviously need to change. I dont think the player pool is so small for goblin hr that they couldnt implement some form of antirematch.

[tulip hill]

Longbows get complained about a lot, so I have a feeling it has less to do with Weapon Mastery and more to do with the weapon itself

[odd coyote]

my dude, what do you even mean by that, longbows are massively worse than xbows now with 20% PDR reduction, and even worse since you have to abandon one perk to get weapon master.

[odd coyote]

longbows are a problem on rangers but not on fighters, i'm more worried about the one tap xbows i've been doing since the update

[obtuse socket]

This is true but crossbows are also strong, the fact that a strong up close, high physical dmg reducing class can use a long range without giving up a valuable skill is too much.

[odd coyote]

no, it isn't, fighters would literally be kited endlessly otherwise

[abstract swallow]

Fighter has like 15 in all stats and a free -10% penalty on half his best weapons
He doesn't even have windlass back lmao

[odd coyote]

fighters with xbows already get kited by every half brained ranger with a recurve, its so easy that i barely play ranger and still find fun to go hunting

[obtuse socket]

thats if the fighter is dumb, you have to kite the ranger closer to you as you would with BARB

[fluid yacht]

So what do you all think about the possibility of Barbarian getting like a better ranged option, something super simple/small but just enough to give them something. I don't think they need it but I also feel like a barbarian should at least be able to use like a smaller bow, maybe just the smallest one

[patent stag]

honestly a fighter using a longbow is only strong if you have a low AR and not wearing some form of head protection. I think the biggest issue with this is when they are in a trio and have buffs attached. but regardless if you are at range you need to just break engagement and rotate.

[tulip hill]

just thought
what if once your team was dead and you can spectate other teams it had a delay on it
it would make sniping far less potent while still allowing the full intended spectate mechanic
hell, if your team gets wiped this change could even allow you to spectate your own death, allowing you to learn even more or mayhaps if you are suspicious of the people who killed you, investigate what actually happened

[odd coyote]

15 is all stats just means it takes no penalty to anything, fighters are decent at interacting and shire usage, thats it really, they don't get any base damage skills, armor ignore, stat buffs nothing of the sort from perks aside a 10% AR which ammounts to 3,1% extra PDR if you have 317 AR already from armor

[small furnace]

Did they double down and make base healing items even worse?

[odd coyote]

my dude, there is zero need to spectate HR, even a 60s delay can still give away people position because the maps are funnelled and there's only so many spots they can go in that time

[tulip hill]

how about a post match replay system then? (I think csgo has something like this)

[indigo summit]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/481826/get-rid-of-movement-speed-penalty-when-getting-hit-by-bows-or-crossbows upvote this if you agree

[obtuse socket]

True, but it still doesn't count out the fact that his versatility with a bow is insane, starting damage from range can go a long way. If wiz, fighter, bard, rogue, can all use either a bow or crossbow, why not give everyone the ability to in that case? There's a RANGER class yet all these classes can use his range.

[odd coyote]

barbs have 280-350hp whith both skills popped and still 30% PDR and 290 movespeed with the weapon away, a heavy agility fighter which is absurdly gear intensive gets at best 140hp and 270 move with the weapons away, 320 for very short bursts with sprint, rangers are high mobility and once geared you can slap down a trap in 0.67seconds, its literally impossible to catch if you don't have a xbow to stagger

[small furnace]

What does the rusty key do now that the hoard is gone?

[odd coyote]

probably a static loot room, a few chests and thats it

[small furnace]

Doesn't really seem that worth given the drop rate of the rusty key.

[odd coyote]

Bards can't use bows, are you insane, the can use xbows, and wizards got a dozen spells. There is a fighter CLASS that fights, yet, every class can use melee weapons??????????

[tulip hill]

who knows, maybe the loot in there have higher drops
or perhaps they will change things around in the future

[patent stag]

every class is limited to what they can equip, fighter has to sacrifice a perk to use ranged weapons.

[odd coyote]

xbows are standard class feature and very needed at that

[obtuse socket]

Thats a dumb response honestly, the point here is ranged damage, having range damage is insanely strong. We're not talking about when they're up fighting close, we're talking ranged versatility. Also bards can use survival bow if you didn't know.

[small furnace]

Does kinda suck though, the ruins hoard was actually really fun and the key was incredibly rare so it felt like a good reward after grinding the worm for such a long time.

[odd coyote]

yeah, rangers are the master of ranged weapons, noone can deal as much damage or fire as fast as they can, what even is your point.

Survival bows are a joke, noone uses them for a reason

[obtuse socket]

THE RANGE IS MY POINT, TO BE ABLE TO GET CLOSE YOU HAVE TO PUSH A RANGED WEAPON OR KITE THEM CLOSER

[patent stag]

and rangers can sacrifice a perk to use spears, if you find yourself in a posititon where a enemy fighter is using a longbow etc and you cannot push without taking a few hits then disingage. I cannot tell you how many times i have ran away through the swarm to avoid taking on that very situation.

[odd coyote]

and what even is the point you're making? that people are able to fight rangers? do you want every class to be immobile and infinitely kiteable by not having any ranged weapons?

[tulip hill]

true
though given the number of high gear players concluding that HRer wasn't worth it, there was a decent number of them doing runs on ruins for the hoard
I hope they at least keep the loot in there high value so its still worth doing for lower gear players

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[obtuse socket]

I am aware of this, I do this all the time. IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO STAY ALIVE VS RANGE WEPS if you are not a class who can use range.

[obtuse socket]

My point is that fighters get the versatility of using a strong ranged weapon while also being strong up close. MAKE WEAPON MASTERY A SKILL, we all know second wind is insanely strong in a fight.

[odd coyote]

those players are bad ones, its not worth for them because they keep dying, HR is the one place to make money and the peeps scared of losing there keep going normals to farm timmys out of being too scared or too bad to fight nightmare mobs

[small furnace]

We'll see, but if it's anything like the troll room in goblin caves then likely not.

[odd coyote]

fighters quite literally suck at ranged and will get outtraded by everything at a range, in the time a fighter fires once a ranger will have put out 5-6 arrows

[patent stag]

every class with the exeption of barb has some form of viable ranged option, yes throwing axes are ranged but you cannot get the distance required to trade with a bow.

[odd coyote]

yeah, at least the old drum throwing made the staggering someone not so much of a problem because of how easy drums are to hit and stagger people with

[obtuse socket]

You realize if you have a good aim with either a crossbow or longbow you can do insanely high dmg as fighter ranged. THE AMOUNT OF TIMES MY BUDDY HAS OUT DAMAGED A RANGER AS A FIGHTER IS INSANE. HE WAS DOING 140's to the head with a crossbow. RECOVERING FROM A BOLT TO THE HEAD AS ANY CLASS SETS YOU BACK IN TERMS OF FIGHTING CHANCE AND HEAL ECONOMY>

[odd coyote]

stop with these allcaps, you aren't a 12yo in 2008, plus, a geared fighter will obviously outtrade a grey ranger with a bit of luck, but thats just a gear problem, if both are on equal terms its not doable unless the ranger has a skill issue, you won't be getting hit by xbows bolts with that projectile speed, its so goddam slow that i got a good 80% longsword parry on those given more than some 8 steps of distance

[late hare]

for the @ wardens, is there a way you can please push announcements to subscribed Discord channels? I mean people who follow the announcement channel. Thanks! 🙏

[patent stag]

counters to ranged weapons.... wiz frostbolt/fireball, fighter xbow/others with perk, warlock phantomise to a better position to poke with hellfires/curses, ranger.. obvios, bard xbows/movement songs, barb sol/tank it to the face, cleric buff and scoot, rogue hide and relocate. and in all cases disingage if at a disavantage.... and to be honest at the end of the day it doesnt matter how much dmg they do if they cant land their shots

[rigid sequoia]

upvote if you want voice enabled by default
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482647/enable-hearing-voip-by-default

[patent stag]

make a suggestion ticket on the dark and darker website

[obtuse socket]

yes there are counters, but nothing beats the speed of a bow or xbow, initial ranged starting damage is huge when heal economy isn't exactly speedy.

[tulip hill]

alright
so I just died because zombie collision boxes don't actually get lower when they do their eating animations
so I suggest they do
that is all

[arctic lagoon]

i thought training was today

[static ridge]

Can we take achilles strike and such off throwables

[arctic lagoon]

yes, also weakpoint strike off throwables/ranged

[woven marsh]

Lower the health on bats, ffs....

[odd coyote]

damm solos are now down to 9players

[chilly adder]

mods please add more voice channels

[abstract swallow]

it's a small map, so it's really the only way to deal with people complaining about spawns
GC was a mistake anyways though

[atomic whale]

Why naked barbarian has -% move speed?

[abstract swallow]

under 15 AGI

[atomic whale]

so its agi related ?

starting gear is just too slow to even scratch rouges

[abstract swallow]

Having stats under 15 causes penalties.
Hover them in the character menu for details or check the spellsandguns wiki for mildly outdated info

don't use your lumbering 2h for Rogues, use a hatchet/HMA and those Francs God gave you

[lucid token]

Fix the Centipede hitting us when Strafing and goblin mage as well I SEE this shit curve around corners

[abstract swallow]

The latter is a homing projectile, cut your corners better

[arctic lagoon]

ive seen it boomerrang to hit me

[loud oracle]

Instead of resting to regain health can we make bandages twices as effective for gray health to encourage speed of the game and less sitting.

[abstract swallow]

It's goofy af since it's so slow and droopy

[arctic lagoon]

also absurd damage for a goofy spell

[lyric yew]

ADD A FEATURE THAT TOU CAN SELECT SOUND OUTPUT AND INPUT DEVICE

[abstract swallow]

goofy is deadly in the DaD universe

[crude saddle]

🇼 🇭 🇪 🇷 🇪 🇮 🇸 🇩 🇷 🇺 🇮 🇩 ❓ ❓

[fallow scaffold]

NERF Goblin bola's they do too much dmg

[quaint grotto]

How do we feel about adding wands to the game for casters as an off hand?

[hoary oriole]

how diff from ball then

[quaint grotto]

adds another option for ranged attacks similar to the hand cross bow

[hoary oriole]

you mean that it wouldnt cast spells from memory?

[quaint grotto]

idk how they would implement it. But just thought wands would be a cool addition to the game. Maybe have book become a main hand and have wand as an off hand?

[hoary oriole]

idk ball is already off hand and we have 2 2 hander casting as well

[quaint grotto]

Right, maybe they could come up with a 1 handed main hander that can cast spells then have the wand as a back up ranged attack. Obv the dmg shouldnt be insane but could be a nice way to finish someone off when they run

[hoary oriole]

i see what you mean could be cool as like a casting tool with its own memory like maybe you get 5 charges of some low tier ranged spell

[quaint grotto]

That is actually a great idea. Have spells attached to an item rather than a class. Allows for more diversity

I just feel caster have a tough time starting out because they are super squishy. So adding a decent ranged attack that isnt attached to your main kit would be cool

[lone cliff]

bola guy op who agrees

[dull sinew]

we need some milk https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482571/add-milk-to-the-game

[patent mauve]

Fix/remove the debuff duration enchantment

[patent mauve]

Vs pure melee characters without a shield, yeah it's annoying af.

[soft acorn]

Please fix cave troll spots where he can just lose aggro and then heal to 100% hp after 5 min fight. There are 2 known spots since 3 weeks where he can do that :/

[glacial sphinx]

possible legal issue

[rigid sequoia]

Hearing others voices should be separate from sharing your own

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482566/instead-of-nerfing-spells-please-remove-damage-from-some-item-slots

keep damage scaling in check without breaking early game

[frail quest]

Allow crates to be 1 hit by zweihander

[exotic briar]

lets us move our inventy when we are sitting down

[pallid robin]

this aged well

[upper hearth]

^\

[thin saffron]

Please make it to where we can see if party members ready up when we aren't sitting in the lobby screen. easy QoL update that will make it way less awkward in parties

[hidden cosmos]

Warlock requires a Generic, Dark Damage, Projectile.

Effectively, 2 talents are pretty much useless because they don't deal dark damage.

Maybe a long range eldritch blast that has A small knockback effect.

2 of their spells see virtually no use to the point of completely removing them from their spell bars. Many people options to not even use spells on a warlock. It isnt nailing the hybrid magic/melee concept what was originally being aimed for

[gloomy garnet]

So since the discord is always full, can we be allowed to link to other LFG discord?

[pure plinth]

Post all your changes in patch notes instead of leaving out some pretty note worthy changes?

[remote moss]

Can we get an update where you can rotate items. for instance weapons that are vertical could be rotated horizontal. and the jewel dagger thats horizontal could be rotated to vertical?

[merry yoke]

More time to pet Otto

[white drift]

For the love of god let me stash bolts and arrows this is ridiculous

[arctic lagoon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482768/make-mining-easier

[steep tartan]

only good Dark and darker fan opinion

[deft nova]

there needs to be an option for solo players to go to inferno / hell for the best loot.

[drowsy grotto]

Remove the collision box from the spiders, it's so fucking stupid I can get launched 30 miles just because a tiny little spider decides to go under me.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482792/spider-collision

[analog sparrow]

I would suggest removing the ability for achilles strike on the barbarian to be triggered by ranged weapons like throwing axes. IMO way too strong at this time when you have to stop running from a barb because you take damage every step. mobility is literally the only counter to a barb

[hollow crater]

Bring back gold purse QOL stacking (i.e. combining two 15 gold purses easily into one 30 gold purse and one 0 gold purse) https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482805/bring-back-gold-purse-qol-gold-swapping-adding

[drowsy tinsel]

ngl wizard should be brought down to around 75% scaling, maybe 80% since people are crying about it being too op now

[jovial swan]

Literally who?

[drowsy tinsel]

literally people who play melee

[vivid rain]

devs should focus on adding a durability function on all gear. first day of wipe and inventory’s are already full of thousands of gold and hoarded gear. easiest fix is to add a time frame for gear. if a player wants to keep certain gear then apply a fee to repair it or otherwise it’s gone. easiest hot fix i can think of.

[shrewd ledge]

tell me im not crazy but devs got bad feedback for nerfing meds, then proceeded to say they buffed it but in reality its even worse then it was

[soft acorn]

8 out of 9 players in high roller goblin cave are rogues... please delete them from the game... thanks

[soft acorn]

Their movement is too fast. They open doors too fast. Double jump. No cooldown when switching from hands to dagger. They can become invisible for ages and they can move while invisible. + They can wear crossbows. And they only need one dagger for 50gold to kill non-tanky classes in just 2 hits

[arctic lagoon]

do i say, that people give bad feedback because their buffoons?

or dont know how to construct good feedback

[shrewd ledge]

nah because it makes the game less fun, not everyone is a sweat lord that wants the game to overly punish you for rubberbanding into pve or making a mistake that takes 3 min to heal all your meds

[shrewd ledge]

the construct feedback was buff meds it was overly nerfed.

[arctic lagoon]

think itd be better if they took more middle grounds on certain things rather than go fully nerf or full buff

[shrewd ledge]

that is what im hoping for

meds where too strong but they overly did it, tried to buff it but instead it feels like another nerf.

[arctic lagoon]

small tweaks are more managable than big ones, even tho people will screech at the changes (seriously calm down its gonna be changed later on too)

[shrewd ledge]

ahh yes, i consider the meds a big tweak, but im fully understading its all testing, im not screaming dead game like some others, but i am letting my thoughts be known.

[arctic lagoon]

valid, long as you do not wish an inquisition tortue on someone for saying otherwise ,<,

[shrewd ledge]

nah everyone entitled to there own thoughts, the only people who i berate or people who want to aruge with me but have no facts and spit insults. if your not one of those people i respect your thoughts on any matter.

[barren marten]

Post game stats really needed

[tender yew]

MAKE THE GAME SO WHEN LAST PORTAL CLOSES YOU DONT HAVE 2 FUCKING SECONDS TO LEAVE

[arctic lagoon]

itd be nice for sure

[shrewd ledge]

Id love that.

[tender yew]

JUST LOST 1000 GOLD CUZ THE FUCKING CIRCLE CLOSES AND U DIE IMIDEATLY TO FUCKING ZONE FUCKING BS

[arctic lagoon]

I think they should add more crystal weapons

[odd coyote]

upvote the fixes for highroller sniping problems

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482346/remove-spectators-from-highroller

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482356/add-a-antirematch-system-to-the-highroller-queue

[lyric yew]

Suggestion BRING BACK DISCORD UP DOWN VOTE SUGGESTR

[jovial swan]

Instant kill at endgame is such inexcusable game design.

The point of a storm system is to draw players closer together and give them a sense of urgency at the end, not completely and utterly bullshit them.

[odd coyote]

3 rogues join HR caves
one dies
its a sniper trio

[lyric yew]

??

[odd coyote]

every single lobby of HR goblin caves there's trios sniping, or more, if you also just suicide and spectate its very easy to spot them, sometimes they'll literally emote you on the lobby, then one suicides, spectates and guides the others to the other peeps

[lyric yew]

If they get lucky enough to get into that lobby and its 50g to even get in.

[odd coyote]

you'll see groups of rogues and rangers B line through the entire map direclt into whatever spot their target spawned

[lyric yew]

Bro its POI's record it and report it.

[odd coyote]

50g is literally nothing, you leave HR with 1k+ in profit without even sniping, if you actualyl hunt people their gear alone covers a hundred entrances

[jovial swan]

They need to add a fucking a duration limit to all skills.

[odd coyote]

there's a reason why i'm pushing for this #suggestion-discussion message because the HR lobbies are being manipulated for the leaderboard, specially solo but also happens on teams

there's only like 10-20 people even on the most populated HR servers, let alone the lowpop times of EU and latam

[lyric yew]

I agree with the griefing 'helping' but you can't stop it.

[thin ruin]

yall should add a gift option to the website

[odd coyote]

yes, we can, if you just looked at the solution, its the exact same thing that other games have, the blacklisting of players who played recently on the same match so they can't match, for multiple games, and the blacklisting working on a per game type basis, also removing spectate from HR would already cut all the sniping from it

[lyric yew]

Too easy for mass reporting - for a streamer to get hate and get "blacklisted"

[odd coyote]

cutting the spectate from HR means you stop having snipers, adding the matchmaking avoidance breaks apart the coops on solo

[odd coyote]

you litearlly didn't understand a single word i said, its not a player input, two people who played on the same game cannot be matched together for multiple games, its the same thing LOL has, and tarkov, and a few other games, tarkov to a lesser extent where its just low priority, not a full blacklist

open the links and read them, then you'll understand it #suggestion-discussion message

[lucid acorn]

thiss

[lyric yew]

I got ya may - I was just saying the best way is to black out HR spectate.

[odd coyote]

you still didn't look at the links, because one of them is for removing spectate from HR, removing spectate only removes the sniping, but not duos and trios from the solo HR

[cunning ruin]

un-nerf bard + take the falcion away = Problem solved

[pallid epoch]

ive never seen a charachter/class or anything get hit with as many nerfs as bard has lol

[cunning ruin]

classes are supposed to have their specific strengths and weaknesses, if you nerf everything to the same point that it doesnt matter what you play then there is no fun to be had

@pallid epoch Fr other than wizard for that hot minute

[rugged heath]

Can we plz get rotating items? I wanna play tetris with my stuff lol

[cunning ruin]

people are gonna cry that this or that is broken and op no matter what you do devs, imo that playtest that you had before the legal issues; everything felt good as it was

[pallid epoch]

pt3 enjoyers > modern dad enjoyers

[cunning ruin]

Please for the love of god if nothing else, give the archers their arrows back, other classes can buy them, or atleast nerf the prices

[pliant quiver]

Is there any ready why other players don't give XP?

[cunning ruin]

barb range on axes is just wrong too. I get that its a strong class, but it just feels wrong

I'm saying this as a ranger main.

[robust lance]

Nerf fighters second wind!

[jovial swan]

They need to revert the revert of Wizards.

Or y'know, nerf the casting time of Wizards by a great amount due to how powerful their shit can be?

[upper sonnet]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482871/troll-screams-when-killed-and-alerts-the-server-that-its-been-killed Idea to 'nerf' Troll farming in a fun way. Also only something that happens in LR Goblins to make farmers want to go to HR more often.

[tardy crystal]

THERE IS STILL A NAKED ROGUE FARMING CAVE TROLL EVERY RUN IM IN. I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE REASON FOR THE WIPE

[hasty agate]

no there was gold duping and exploits with gold hordes

[tardy crystal]

yes AND the cave troll would respawn and naked rogues could kill it.

[unborn yacht]

ya this would be cool and make it a bit harder to see, also arrows which are not starter arrows should sell for 1g each, so there should be 2 diff typs of arrows in the game but both do the same damage only diff one is start and cannot be sold for gold while the other can, unless theres a arrow duplicaton glitch i think this is a good suggestion

[sleek tusk]

if yall dont do something about the bard super speed stacking like that, its going to continue to ruin the game

[valid wind]

fix hitboxes on axes, delete bard from the game because they make fighters unstopabble and indestructible thanks

[high wyvern]

The fact that they have nerfed healing items makes the game more shit, like hate on me for saying this, cuz i could'nt care less what yall thing, but bandages are shit, like 100 percent shit like okay wow you put hydrogen peroxide on the wound by making it 5.5 sec interaction speed, but ooo so what, and to rebutle that they said, "oh well its to make getting damaged more detrimental" "making you put more thought into each fight" like nah bruh when i get hit by some little ass goblin when im fighting another player, and half my health is chunked, like cmon bruh. even tarkov isnt like this, like every other extraction pvevp game, you get damaged by a npc enemy, "oh okay just a little thorn in my foot" Shit bro in this game ?! call the damn paramedics because ur out of heals, getting full health by the time youre at last circle like cmon bruh wth going on here

[tacit jasper]

HOLY SHIT, that creepy af

[ebon idol]

Removing spectate from HR also removes the ability to catch cheaters. Spectating them is the easiest way to tell they are cheating

So remove spectate you are doomed, keep spectate you are doomed

[smoky helm]

Dude what?

[odd coyote]

You're a player, you seeing a cheater won't do even a dent on their use, players are not to be responsible for hunting down aimbots, let alone all the false alarms the mods are already getting. It is to ironmace to fix this shit and get a propper anticheat working rather than runing half the game just so you can fill your police power seeking ego

[ebon idol]

Damn, no reason for ad hominem attacks, I am just stating fact here, didn't even say you are wrong. Brother is mad

[odd coyote]

brother, i bet that account has hundreds of recording coming in every day and they can't even go through all of them, and when they do 90% will be too hard to tell if its a good player or a hacker

i'd even bet that the account was made just to stop the message spam on the devs and they barely check it

i don't think ironmace and its like half a dozen devs hired a two dozen people to go over 100+ hours of footage a day from every single person recording and reporting people

[ebon idol]

Impossible to tell, but I had multiple cheaters reported successfully.

[odd coyote]

are you sure they were cheaters tho?

voip is getting insane when people see me parrying arrows

[ebon idol]

You know you get a message when they banned a cheater you reported. IM said they were, and they gotta know, right?

[odd coyote]

well, thats good then, i only ever spotted a couple i'm sure were aimbots, and thats because while i was holding the parry on my head i got every single arrow in the parry the entire fight

[ebon idol]

I spotted multiple range and damage hacks so far

[odd coyote]

rangers who aren't aimboting just aim at your body when they notice the arrows getting blocked on the passive head parry, but not aimbots

[odd coyote]

thank god i'm not seeing those on HR

[ebon idol]

They are going to come back and ruin HR again eventually

[odd coyote]

HR rn its only being ruined by sniping duos and trios

[ebon idol]

You either face cheaters, snipers, abusers or sweatlords. HR is just not worth it, and it probably never will be.

All for some shit internet points and idiots who buy 1k gold for 1 dollar.

That is why I usually never play pvp games. It sucks so hard. Rather build up my own soviet village than this crap. At least normals are fun.

The best part about this game is the pve. If it had a pve only version, you'd never see me again.

[south topaz]

Oh
Given highroll purple(For reason you said above not going hr) slaughting the normal once every 2 match that is going to happen... A lot

[ebon idol]

I can't blame them either. HR is bad. Why waste your gear on it.

It is straight up not worth it if you have something to lose.

Every online game is sooner or later going to die to cheaters. With all the playtesting IM did, the cheaters had plenty of data to find out how the game operates and how to refine the cheats.

[weak wing]

HEY ironmace fix the fucking spider physics, tired of getting flung into walls or bounced around because i happened to collide with a torch or a door

[graceful falcon]

just want to say I love this game ironmace thank you for all the work you are putting into the game and for working with the community to try and make the game more balanced. Sorry your community is toxic as fuck 😦

[ebon idol]

I also love this game. It is amazing, and the first pvp game I play because the mechanics are really fun and combat feels great.

Might just be a bit of frustration speaking.

[graceful falcon]

yeah I get that

[south topaz]

At this point I want to know
Who's idea is to put a blue portal at 7:19?
That portal got used like once every 5 match because it is always on the edge of ring 2

[graceful falcon]

I do understand that but ppl are being way too hateful towards ironmace when honestly they’ve done a great job listening to the community (for the most part) and making balance changes accordingly. Constructive criticism is always preferred to whatever you would call the general chat of this discord

[proper sundial]

i just hope they buff/rework hide considering other invisibilities like wizard

[south topaz]

15 steps
We talk.

[sterile locust]

solo duo trio mode for all map!

double the circle timer!

[small oak]

Holding a Longbow with a Ranger now looks SUUPER wonky , it was so much better before

[south topaz]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/477230/alternative-method-to-current-escape-system Someone wanted a larger map with longer timer.
But having 3 different mode for all map means the game have 11 queues instead of 5, which diluting playerbase right now isn't a good idea.

[radiant walrus]

just have a rotating map per season or week

[neat hearth]

you can exploit the fountain of speed to affect more than one teammate

[sterile locust]

The matchmakig is the fastes all of multy games now! its awesome! i think dont problem to wait a bit more or not full lobbys.

[pliant zealot]

Played a lot during last wipe as warlock and It felt really fun.... But the biggest spell of their kit could be cooler.
I'm curious on anyone's opinion for a change I thought would make warlock more fun while still slightly "balanced". Hellfire is a amazing ability when the enemy is about to charge in at you, but it is easily played around.

Warlock has a ability called "Soul Collector". My idea is, what if the perk instead gave hellfire travelling speed. The increasing amounts of speed could be based on "X" souls collected and could be capped. Once the warlock has cast the hellfire, the souls will all be expended. A example of what the scaling could look like would be :

-- Hellfire SoulCharged speed : 2/3/4/5.5 --

The charges are used upon use of the ability "hellfire" while also having the supported perk.

I'm really like discussing this......so let me know what you all think!

[arctic junco]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/479901/training-grounds

[covert summit]

AYY G 100 hp wizard GETTING ONE SHOT BY A LEVEL 5 warlock using a 31 damage flachion with blow of crption just take it out of the game

[granite plinth]

Hello guys i have a new suggestion for magic spell. its called lord of the fire and it makes your champion in fire which means u take 5 fire damage every 5 second but if someone attack u they also turn into fire and take fire damage. its good spell for fighteng 5 enemies and then they dont want to attack u cuz they get fire. What do you think?

[odd coyote]

cheaters, snipers and trios on solos are the problem, i'm guessing the 'sweatlords' are guys playing nonstop, i'm fine with fighting them, the problem is the 3v1 hunters

[ebon idol]

If it was the sweats and a few normal players, that would be alright.

But mixed with the cheaters and snipers, it is unplayable.

[dull sinew]

we need some milk https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482571/add-milk-to-the-game

[proper sundial]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482885/wizard-is-a-better-rogue-then-rogue

[ebon idol]

Yeah. Just make rogue be able to full sprint while stealthed

I think rogues deserve a buff. They are so weak. Can't even oneshot people from stealth. I think they also should be able to just press a button to kill someone.

Like pickpocket, but the other person just instantly dies. I am serious. If as a rogue you can sneak up to someone and press the action button they deserve to instantly die. Call it assassinate or something.

[proper sundial]

thats excessive, however just making hide better would make rogue so much better.

[glacial sphinx]

hide is amazing as it is, it doesnt need buffs

[jovial swan]

So I thought of this funny idea.

[dull galleon]

cant even one shot from stealth
thats where you're wrong

[jovial swan]

{Pink Potion}

Upon consumption, the user explodes and deals between 30-150 magical damage to opponents within a 7.5 meter range.

The user of the potion dies in the process.
"A potion that has a rather vibrant taste of cherry."

[ebon idol]

I know I was kidding

[jovial swan]

The Pink Potion (a reference to the infamous Pink Candy of SCP:SL) would be a very rare potion found in any loot table with a staggeringly low 0.1% chance of finding it.

If you really want to give those stacked 3-mans a taste of their own medicine, this would be the perfect thing for you.

[trim maple]

Surprised no-one's thought of this one yet https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482923/item-name-tag

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482566/instead-of-nerfing-spells-please-remove-damage-from-some-item-slots

early wiz is strong enough now, so scaling issues should to be addressed without ruining the early game

[prisma sonnet]

suggestion: take invisiblity out of the game !

or make it so a rogue cant get a fully geared cleric to 10% hp with his opener out of stealth! really easy things to fix here devs ! !

[shadow bolt]

if there are in any other situation and you're buffed you could not lose to a rogue if you hit your swings they only isnta kill you if you get caught off guard, or they get you from behind which is how they are designed

[prisma sonnet]

so rework the class. rogues make the game un fun

[shadow bolt]

they are fun anytime i run into them as a cleric you bop them, unless they get the jump on you out of stealth and stealth is on a massive cd

[prisma sonnet]

oh u wanna see a good clip of what happened to my cleric lol?

[shadow bolt]

not really, rogues are def not the problem currently imo

[prisma sonnet]

yea rogues are a problem, they just have a big population of players so the devs pander to them

[ebon idol]

Mimimi, I don't pay attention to my surroundings and got ambushed by the ambush class

[prisma sonnet]

its fine getting abmushed its when there is no counter play. a cleric with full blue/purple gear shouldnt be dying that fast to someone you cant even see. thats the mimimimi playstyle right there

[ebon idol]

Guess you are really stinky, because that is exactly what a rogue should do. It is their point. Ambush, kill someone really fast, run away. You trade by being really bad in face to face combat and having a wet noodle for hp.

[shadow bolt]

Ambush is fine but it snot fine if you dont see him, man what

[prisma sonnet]

mhm thats exactly what a rogue should do. one hit coming out of stealth gets a fully geared cleric to 10% mhm yea

[ebon idol]

If you don't find that fun, that sucks. I don't find it fun to be sniped from across a room and I don't cry about it.

[prisma sonnet]

i dont find it balanced (:

[shadow bolt]

ok go back to basic white gear stuff youll never lose to a rogue unless he ambushes you so you think thats balanced ?

[prisma sonnet]

tf are u even saying

[ebon idol]

Ask a rogue how balanced they find an ability that has perfect tracking and is an orbital space laser that takes 90% of their health

[shadow bolt]

stinky go play rogue for a full week gl !

[prisma sonnet]

atleast wizards require some skill to play their class, rogues come out of stealth tap you once on the head and ur 10% hp? like if you think thats balanced youre smoking some doofenshmeritz

[shadow bolt]

The skill on rogue is setting it up to do that

[prisma sonnet]

pressing the stealth button (the skill in question)

[ebon idol]

Eh, no. You are just here to cry because you lost your set. No need to defend rogue.

[prisma sonnet]

i didnt die ! (:

[shadow bolt]

oh but the vista skill that would just destroy a rogue and you hit him one more time after that is fair

So you killed him after he dropped you to 10%...and youre saying that class needs a nerf

[prisma sonnet]

my cleric got dropped not me

[shadow bolt]

no point to argue with you, youre dead set on rogues are op, even though you won the fight after insta losing your cleric

[ebon idol]

Btw, a rogue can deal like 110 damage with a purple dagger if they hit the head. Once. Then their damage is shit again. Rogue is literally an all or nothing class

[shadow bolt]

just wait until you run into fully geared wiz who zap you and you croak or a ranger whos 100milea away one taps you with a 60dmg bow

[prisma sonnet]

playing against wizards and rangers there is counter play. playing against rogues there is 0 counter play

[ebon idol]

If you think rogues have no counter play, that is on your inability to pay attention

[blazing bough]

there should be a way to detect stealth rogues, maybe make them translucent or something

[ebon idol]

There is. Ranger track and din of darkness both reveal rogues in an area.

[shadow bolt]

jesus might as well delete the class if there is stealth detection

[prisma sonnet]

right my inability to pay attention to someone thats invisible! youre so right you got me dude!!!

[shadow bolt]

bards can literally spam their thing through walls and insta take rogues out of stealth

[blazing bough]

like even if I know there's a rogue in the room next to me there is nothing I can do if the zone pushes me that way. and rogues don't need any gear to get kills

[prisma sonnet]

din was nerfed pretty badly on bards. if you are building magic dmg on bard you are trolling

[placid shadow]

ROgues can one shot a player, do it invisible whats the point in saying thats not good

[blazing bough]

all Goblin HR is either 80% defence fighters or nude rogues with green daggers standing still 10 minutes waiting for someone to pass

[shadow bolt]

it snot about the damage, you take rogues out of stealth

[ebon idol]

Oh, sorry, I actually also have to potentially give up something to completely counter another class?

[placid shadow]

So as a barb I have to find the rogue while he can move and get behind me and one shot me and I cant see

[ebon idol]

This discussion is so useless.

[prisma sonnet]

idk if you realize how dumb you sound when you type. just let the grown ups talk lil bro

[shadow bolt]

we are talking about a 3v3 situation that stinky started complaining about not about Goblin cave, @prisma sonnet im the little one who doesnt insult someone unlike you, ok

[ebon idol]

Wizard is a better backline slayer than rogue. Bard has more utility than rogue. Ranger has more dps than rogue.

[prisma sonnet]

pretty sure you and your butt buddy called me stinky, thats pretty mean if you ask me

[ebon idol]

The ONLY thing rogue can do is oneshot a single person (almost at least) and run away. Those are the two things rogue can do atm.

[shadow bolt]

yeah or die after giving a few more hits

[prisma sonnet]

lol there should never be anything that can one shot in pvp games bro. like what

[placid shadow]

If you can kill someone in a 3v3 instantly and be able to reset its over you won the fight

[shadow bolt]

@prisma sonnet check out the rules before you continue insulting ppl pelase

[ebon idol]

Wizard can oneshot people too with a fireball.

[shadow bolt]

Ranger can one shot, fighter can oneshot, barb can oneshot, wizards can

[prisma sonnet]

bro stop talking please (no bc its not true)

[ebon idol]

Why, because bro makes good points?

[shadow bolt]

not true he edits 😄

[prisma sonnet]

any class can one shot a freshly made level 1 yea, im talking when people are evenly geared. a ranger isnt one shotting a barb. a wizard isnt one shotting a barb

[ebon idol]

You are just mad because you want to play an arena fighter with loot and not a dungeon crawler with pvp. Invis rogues are fine.

[prisma sonnet]

nah i just dont think its balanced to have someone who can go stealth and one shot people. just doesnt really sound right

[placid shadow]

invisibility is the only issue its just unskilled and lame

[hollow flicker]

There's a lot of things that feel unfair in the game. I think most of it comes from the fact that you gear up like a role playing game, but you die just as fast as in call of duty.

[prisma sonnet]

mmmm yea if we have a nice fight where we are exchanging blows and lose that way its feels fine and i had a good time. if i die to a rogue who came out of stealth who hits me once in the head and i instantly drop on the floor... mmm idk that just doesnt sound too fun to me but idk

[hollow flicker]

Even the nice fights don't last that long tbh, except when double bubbled. Damage is pretty nuts in this game

[brittle iris]

I would like to make a suggestion in the possible far far far distant future. A randomly generated weapon and armor character run that is on a timer that would allow people to enter with some different gear with no risk. It would be on a static character so you would not level up your personal character of that class but get to keep what loot you find in the dungeon. Like SCAV's in Escape from Tarkov. TY have a wonderful day/nite'.

[woeful ridge]

Geforce Experience support, so we can have highlights like fights, deaths, etc..

[umbral zodiac]

Add gear score, too much pub stomping

[analog sparrow]

Add a more noticeable and apparent signifier that you have been hit with a barbarians Achilles strike ability

[fluid zenith]

bring back triple escape portals. feels so bad with all singles

[patent zephyr]

Anyone else think that spell memory 1 shouldn't be a perk but rather already built into the class for Cleric, Wizzard and Warlock

[lone crescent]

Yes if they heavily nerf all spells that could work

Devs are asian bruh

[atomic sigil]

probably already been asked or suggested, but an auto party fill when searching for a game would be nice, I don't mind playing solo in crypts, but it would be nice to be put in a party of other solos or a spot in a 2 man

[atomic sigil]

Or build on that idea and have spell books contain random spells 😂 it would be sick to find a spell book with good spells take away the selection all together 😈😈 or use a skill to always have the spells you want 😏

[grave stirrup]

every asian ive ever met has been a really good person lol. But yeah these gold farmer spam needs to be tended to. Needs a good blacklist rejection algorithm and active wardens IG

or even attach the trade channels to private moderator subchannels on this discord so they can moderate it via one interface. Chat bridge

not a bad idea eh @dawn grotto ! it's def possible, we did it with an asherons call emulator and could communicate laterally and run commands using API

the gold spam is ruining trade channels lol

auction house ftw

maybe up the initiation fee for auction house to like 100g or so

no more gold spam haha

[copper cosmos]

yeah probably based of gear rarity like purple cost 500g trade fee

[grave stirrup]

its just the best logical decision honestly, people will spam and ruin the integrity of trade channels but you cant really do that with auctions.. should have both options on the table to cater to both sides (those wanting interpersonal transactions and those who dont want to socialize with anyone but want to sell items)

cuz I'm guilty of vendoring blue items that I can't use just because I don't want to hassle with randos in a flooded trade channel

[soft hatch]

I cant be the only one that wants the old Goblin Merchant art back. Devs get on it

[ebon idol]

[distant night]

the idea of leaving your item for sale at a price and then collecting your money is alot better than sitting in a spammy chat competing with bots to send a request first, or sitting there waiting for a request and then getting spammed with 10 more requests even tho your item was already traded

also gear score max for non HR maps, a little ridiculous you cant even tell the quality of their gear besides "hm. I have hit them 10 times and they didnt die, yet I died in 2. hmm yes"

[grave stirrup]

should let us do killing blows like they have in For honor - they sell KB animations on their shop and they are brutal. Like mortal kombat

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-gif-14028447

[granite plinth]

That wouldnt work well in d&d

[grave stirrup]

it could... the DB wouldnt be mandatory, and ironmace could make a fortune selling custom DB animations. you'd have to press a key first to initiate the DB, otherwise you can just keep it movin

shrug just throwing out an idea. free money for them, enjoyment for us - win win tbh

[lyric copper]

Good morning everyone, long time line holder here. Check out my suggestion regarding triumph levels: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483020/make-triumph-levels-scale-according-to-the-amount-of-shards-earned

"Numerous complaints surround the challenge of acquiring shards through triumph levels, particularly beyond level 3. Currently, few players use shards for cheaper cosmetics, preferring to save them for skins like orc/elf. I propose tying triumph level difficulty to earned/owned shards. For instance, at triumph level 1, players could buy the thumbs up emote for 1 shard, resetting the level to 0. To purchase a skin, they'd still need to reach level 4. But instead of grinding 4-8 for their next skin, they'd only need to grind 0-4 again. Ideally, players would start at 0-1, buy a cheap emote, reset, and progress 0-1 for their second emote, rather than 1-2."

Please upvote if you think this is helpful!

[fading fulcrum]

It is almost impossible for a solo to make it out alive. How hard would it be to make the game that you are loaded in to be separated by groups size? Like load in 6 groups of 3, or 9 groups of 2, or 18 solo players. Is that a doable thing?

[lyric copper]

I think this is the reason they made goblin caves

[fading fulcrum]

Are they solo?

[lyric copper]

Yup

[fading fulcrum]

Ok. I am new. I have only been in one dungeon. I will try to see how to choose a different one.

Never have made it out alive.

[lyric copper]

NP; on the bottom left of the lobby screen right under "Start" you can click the dungeon map square and then choose goblin cave from there. GL

[fading fulcrum]

Thanks

[prisma lynx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480551/dont-nerf-wizard-rework-it

[upper hearth]

He does have a point, they said they didn't like how much wizards scale but rogues scale just as hard, its not fair to have a rogue with as much strength as a barb and still be the fastest character in the game

[worn agate]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480053/give-bard-access-to-rubysilver-leather-cap

Iron mace you can nerf bard but can you please just give us our cap. Thanks!

[untold jay]

fuck id pay even 10k for an auction house at this rate

[grave stirrup]

welcome buddy, you'll do it eventually. My first time back from break it took me 5-10 attempts before I eventually got out, and man it felt so good. The struggle makes the success so much more savory

the game is difficult but thats why it's fun

[prisma lynx]

An auction house would be bad for the game. It would allow too easy access to gear looted from the game which would pile up much faster than currently. The game would become flooded with gear overtime much like late wipe tarkov. Also, this would eventually turn the game into a free for all with extra steps. Loot would become meaningless as the auction house gets flooded and the gameplay loop would become buy gear -> pvp just like mid to late wipe tarkov. Finding good loot would no longer be a challenge or rewarding. This would also ruin the experience of the trader type players and the ability to barter for gear. It would also allow too easy access to meta gear sets causing much much more of a problem with overgeared players bullying lower geared players. Right now the trade chat forces you to take what you can get and increases the value of gear all around through the simple virtue of it being less easy to obtain. It also increases the variety of gear being worn since you can only get what someone is sitting there and selling at the moment. The trade chat is the best thing for the game.

It can be improved though, through better filtering and a better interaction system. Maybe even adding void to trades.

[untold jay]

imo the auction house would be a great addition, but along with it a GREAT reduction in loot

[prisma lynx]

Reducing loot wouldn't solve the issue. It would just make it take slightly longer at the cost of making the game less fun since you would find loot far less often

[untold jay]

fair point, though there absolutely needs to be some other way of trading and an auction house is pretty much the only reasonable suggestion so far, maybe a big initiation fee would help along with it? idk

[prisma lynx]

Trade chat actually solves the issue at its core because the gear you can get is hard limited at any given point in time by the availability of the actual person trading it. Trading person to person only is a must to solve this issue

Making a better ui and filter for the trade chat would solve many people's issues. Right now it is difficult to read or click on people in the chat, if a ui that made it easier to see what people are saying in the chat and to initiate trade with them, it would be far better.

[untold jay]

yeah, the UI would really help too - surprised that hasn't been changed so far

[prisma lynx]

It actually has been improved throughout playtests, I am sure it will get better still

[untold jay]

personally i'd be a fan of removing the trade as a whole and making merchants more viable - though they're really trying to get the player to player trade interaction so that wont happen

[sinful pike]

please turn down barb why can a barb kill me in 4 punches as a ranger wtf is that and also chase me down can't even get away i'm also tired of getting 2 shot by rogues in highroller wtf is that?

[prisma lynx]

That would be a better solution than an auctionhouse since it wouldn't negatively affect the game, but there are many people who actually enjoy person to person bartering. I don't think removing their fun experience in the game is necessary. Even still though I think merchants should be changed. They refresh far too slow. I hate having to wait to buy pots and selling grey and white gear really shouldn't sell for nothing. I also think silver coins should just be removed from the game, they take up space and loot tables.

[ruby hound]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto invis is breaking on contact with people AGAIN.
Literally the only two times I've died on Rogue is cause someone walking into me breaks stealth inconsistantly.

[ancient flame]

When you cheat u should not get a warning it should be inta permanent suspension

[rugged geyser]

Bro PLEASE let me bank bolts

[ruby hound]

Goblin Mage is shooting through walls.

[ebon idol]

Goblin mage is also shooting around corners and his magic lingers for a few seconds like a trap. For some reason he shoots magic bouncy balls.

[weak wing]

fix the god damn stuttering

[tulip hill]

with this all the changes their doing to meds it got me thinking
why are magic potions a heal over time while bandages heal you in chunks? shouldn't it be the other way around?

[pallid sleet]

Run away from all engagements, leave lots of open doors, play edge of zone.

[tulip hill]

problem is even when doing that a group is still likely to catch your scent and people who know they can kill you are relentless, even if its not worth their time
but hey, goblin caves exists so I'm not complaining

[dreamy rune]

More stash space?

[late night]

Cleric should be fat.

[dull sinew]

Wee Need Milk In The Game https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482571/add-milk-to-the-game

[dark vessel]

Friend list?

[prisma lynx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480551/dont-nerf-wizard-rework-it#comment539967

[normal tangle]

Make a report button on spectate for cheaters, also teaming in goblin caves should be against the rules its one thing to be friendly and whatever but to have clerics/wizards buffing and boosting another class hunting people down as a duo or trio in solos is the most aids thing I've ever seen its solos for a reason if you want to play as a team go play ruins or crypts

[green lagoon]

Dont give a warning for cheating, people will just abuse the fact thst u get a warning and cheat untill found out scott free

[normal tangle]

Pretty sure you only get a warning if you play with a cheater I would imagine the cheater would get banned immediately I would hope anyways

[languid rain]

Id like to see Mage base buff reverted since scaling is back the same, unneeded buff

[indigo jungle]

We should be able to place arrows into our inventory after the standard 36.

[wary maple]

Red spider spawner in goblin cave with high rate spawning unkillable for a barbarian to kill without taking damage..

[soft finch]

Very different style of game

[grave stirrup]

its FPS and last one standing combat game so its really not

[soft finch]

💀

[grave stirrup]

well in goblin caves anyways 😛

[soft finch]

Mario and dark souls are the same kind of game because you have a character and go on and adventure I guess

[patent mauve]

Jump on the pot bro..

[soft finch]

Angle yourself to Cleave through spider into pot?

[deep turret]

Can we get rid of the trade fee , I don't see why it's a good thing to have. I could just not see the reason.

[sudden mesa]

we should nerf potions 15 hp in 35 sec is way to op infact we should just take them out of the game there op af

[abstract swallow]

it taxes alt storage abuse, takes gold out of the economy, and lowers trade margins encouraging multiple item or bartered trades

[abstract swallow]

yes
preemptive and combat meds shouldn't exist

[exotic elm]

What if we didn't allow price checking in chat for a day or two

[stark oxide]

I think jumping while in combat should be penalized, as it makes combat super awkward and clunky. I would like limbs to receive full damage, instead of only 50%. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482280/combat-jumping-penalty

[granite plinth]

wow guys i just came with a cool idea

King of the Fire Pirate
He's a mob u need to kill to gain access to Fire Pirate class. the king summon 3 skeleton every 1 minute and so u need to kill fast and he has stun and crit chance. when u kill him once he revives into King of the Skeleton Pirates and you need to kill again. then next time you play u unlock special champion.

Fire Pirate
You have fire magic abilities and if u die, u become a skeleton pirate. ur abilities change to melee when u respaawn and u have lower health because u are skeleton. also skeletons dont attack u when u respawnd.

What do you guys think of my ideas?

[deep turret]

I'm going to be completely honest, sounds terrible.

[granite plinth]

What do you suggest to improve it?

How about this, when the Fire Pirate dies, he has a respawn timer and if you deal enough damage, he doesn't respawn and there will be no skeleton pirate. I think this is a great idea!

[lone crescent]

Guys did they buffed rings and pendants drop rate?

I'm getting even 3/4 per game on normal Goblin Caves

[jagged flicker]

Trade Chat Purple gear ruins the game.

[abstract swallow]

you don't even need trade chat for it, you can just farm low roller wraith and inferno after all the loot buffs in the preseason

[jagged flicker]

hit a guy 5 times for 25% of his hp x-x

[rapid ruin]

duos please

[patent zephyr]

I mean idk it just think that no one ever is going to play warlock, wizard or cleric and without spell memory 1 equip, it feels like a waste of a 1/2 slot. It really only feels like you're able to use 1 perk

[ancient flame]

Make teaming banable I have full gear and I get jumped by 3 naked rouges in gobo caves lol

[ripe belfry]

BUFF BARD BUFF BARD

[patent mauve]

Normal or high roller?

[ancient flame]

@patent mauve it happed in regular but needs to change in both

[covert merlin]

can someone explain to me how to matchmaking works because today it just didn't make any sense

more or less than I have no Gear the reset just happened around less than I guess 12 hours and I'm already running into people who is fully blue and purple and I have no chance of getting any loot or gold

[abstract swallow]

man died to 3 defaults and wants to pretend the issue isn't him

[frozen sentinel]

Any suggest a good comp with a Barb? just thoughts

[arctic lagoon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483222/always-have-cobalt-and-rubysilver-armor-give-the-told-amount-of-buffs

[indigo bane]

Nevermind. Yeah it should be.

[arctic lagoon]

cobalt and rubysilver straight up lie on how many buffs youll be getting, but you can ROLL TO ONE INSTEAD OF TWO LIKE IT SAYS

[weak vine]

Why did they buff loot so much feels kinda worthless getting so many good items/rolls every game

[indigo bane]

and the ndying to the chad with full blue/purple kit who only wants to kill people and not loot.

[odd coyote]

thats the maximum rolls, you can obviously roll less or none just like any other enchanted item

[arctic lagoon]

then why doesnt it say that

[weak vine]

I mean who care about that it’s just literally every game I play I find a purple item makes it feel worthless compared to last wipe when I would barely find a green

[odd coyote]

my brother is getting ganged by nakeds and losing, get good, surpass your limit, right here, right now, real fighters go in with a grey longsword and leave geared

[weak vine]

If you did 1v3 u would lose if u were base kit

[odd coyote]

i don't know man, with the reputation i've been building on solo HR, maybe i wouldn't, nakeds will also get one taped by the grey longsword

parries are so easy to get that sometimes i almost wish they'd make the sword collision even thinner

[lone crescent]

@covert merlin the matchmaking is full random, you could play vs people with full orange gear if they queue in normals and you are unlucky

[covert merlin]

that is so fun 😑

[lone crescent]

That's the current situation, who knows in the future? Spell memory needs to stay on a skill slot cause giving mages free spells is just broken, imagine a 10 spell Wizard with meditation or a 15 spell Wizard

[lone crescent]

It is, I'm tired of games with skill based matcmaking

[weak rampart]

Please increase the speed of the shield slam
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483228/please-increase-the-speed-of-the-shield-slam

[covert merlin]

I'm more annoying that this has been a problem from the first testing, this game it's fun I love this game I cannot stop playing it but it seriously kills My Vibe when I run into a kill squad who you know the only thing they are doing is killing other players to keep them down they're not even going for bosses and we know that this is what many do which is gonna kill the game we know people horde items and when they have enough they go on a killing spree on players who have less. I f****** love this game but this is killing it

[lone crescent]

I mean the whole point of the game is enjoying pvp combat, you can't blame them for playing the game as intended

[vast dune]

for pirate:

• add cannons into the map he can only use and he only gets the cannon balls for itч

• make the water real and drownable but pirate can swim as the only one

-harpoon gun which with he can draw in the enemies he hits and it bleeds them, deep wound needs stiching from surgery kit

-permanent damage can only be healed from surgery, surger does it in shop.. not cheap. or surgery kit 1 injury. pirate default has 1 leg 1 arm but he can repair it before playing

[lone crescent]

You are suggesting Tarkov healing mechanic?

[covert merlin]

how are you supposed to enjoy the game if half of your games or against people you cannot possibly win against because their items are so boosted they deal twice as much damage as you do they can take twice as much damage as you can give them and if this is only a PVP experience why are there bosses why are there interesting places to explore why are there even ai if this is gonna be a battle royale then let it be a battle royale but it's not a battle royale there's more to this game but right now the people whose hoarding s*** and just going around to killing people they're not even doing the rest of the game they're not even going to hell to try and kill the Lich I've spicted so many people whose walking around with purple stuff both before and after the wiping they're enjoyment is by letting others not being able to enjoy it I'm not angry of dying I'm angry of not having a chance

[patent mauve]

I killed a legendary geared wizard with a white falchion.

[vast dune]

my parent works for the hospital, just interested in damage. did nit know tarkov has it but my friend played

[patent mauve]

It was goblin caves

[lone crescent]

Sometime you are the one overgeared and enemies have no chance to kill you, that's just how the game works.
Also why should they go bossing if they don't want to?

[patent mauve]

It was wipe night, I posted it in Bard chat. Bard op

Wearing good gear, because there's always a chance.

[gaunt vessel]

Can we get a "Sell all collectibles" button to the collector merchant?

[arctic lagoon]

its insane, i have to farm 50 FIFTY ores to get a chest piece and i get a chance of only getting one buff

[covert merlin]

this is not sustainable and you guys acting like it is just because at a few times you've got lucky I've gotten lucky too I'm not gonna break about that being skilled when you find someone who's low health and it's about to heal I know it's part the game to kill but this is not sustainable it's not sustainable for a player base to be cannibalistic to its itself there is so much of the game there is being missed because players do nothing but go after other players and keep each other's loot to minimal this has to chance of evolving into different groups whose all about just giving each other the best loot and making sure everyone else have nothing

[patent mauve]

People dying and losing gear is a core aspect, idk how many times ive died to players who hunted me for too long and they died wearing purple kits, but it's so satisfying. Oh no I lost a blue sword and green boots. They lost the whole kit.

[lone crescent]

Wut? How can you say they only care about PvP? How can you say they never go bossing? Cause you saw them playing once?

This game in PvP, just accept it, if a player wants to go into the dungeon to hunt other players it's his right to do it and he's playing the game as intended, this is not Skyrim

[ruby hound]

can i have what you're smoking

[granite plinth]

I really think the game should like have 1 or 3 slots (like runescape) that are saved when you die. This would make it soo much better for solo cleric players 😭

[patent mauve]

Agreed, I was afk half my games yesterday while doing laundry with the wife. I made out with a stash full of greens and blues still. People need to practice ratting if they play solo crypts.

[nimble haven]

There has got to be a tweak to fighter for their healing ability, i am so sick and tired of dying to fighter when they use it, its damn near a win one fight ability, please change

[patent mauve]

I main solo cleric on crypts, you can literally sit in the swarm until the last 3 minutes rn, idk if it's a bug, but the swarm gives you grey health to recover.

[covert merlin]

because when I spectate these groups they go around and only kill people even when they're Stash in their inventory is full and when they're done they go to blue portals I've seen it again and again and I've talked to other people who've seen that happen to them too this is a problem and acting like this is not a problem and coming up with the excuse that is part the game or that people need to get good that is not Gonna Cut it it's happen to you too but you probably also done it yourself it's fun to do it's not fun to happen to yourself and that's why it's not healthy for the game it would be healthy if you felt like you had a chance of winning but when they're such a little chance because you go into the game with the starter items because you have no gold in your inventory and you go against someone with legendary gear or purple or even blue and you get your ass kicked that does not feel fun and when that keeps happening because there's no matchmaking that's gonna kill the game .and can you just imagine if when you go into a game of counter strike there were no matchmaking in ranked so you had a chance of going against the elite well you had nothing this is basically what is happening right now

[indigo bane]

i agree

[patent zephyr]

Yeah but you'd need soo much spell memory or knowledge for something like that to happen, but i'm not exclusively talking ab mage so it really wouldn't be busted. No one is ever going to go out with Spell Memory 1,

[arctic lagoon]

guaranteed chance at something, but not what was promised

[hasty ridge]

Please add a quiver or something, my arrows take up half my inventory lol

[lone crescent]

Everyone should be pacifist then? Killing players is fun, i play this game for pvp mostly, why i should hold back and not have fun, cause you need to loot?

[patent mauve]

If I get chased by geared players, I run into the swarm, I rarely get chased. Those geared players usually cherish their kits. Practice looting the edge of the maps if you have trouble making out with gold.

[indigo bane]

Ive (intentionally) died immediately to spectate. Ive seen people whose sole goal is to just kill people. They didnt loot anything. Just run to kill, run to next kill, get out.

[patent mauve]

If they add quivers, make it take up the cape slot.

[covert merlin]

that is not the argument but I'm glad that that is apparently what you see I am saying a matchmaking where people with more or less the same Gear when they go into the game so they have a chance of killing each other but I guess it's fine to just take my words and say that I want everyone to be peaceful that is never what I've said you are cute that it's okay for a group of teams with full purple to squish down of another team in full white I say that's BS that's not fair and that's going to kill the game because no one wants to get steamroll by a coin flip and it's been a problem from all the playtesting if this game is gonna survive then needs to be some kind of matchmaking so people would legendary Gear don't go up against people whose trying to scrounge up items so they can have a chance of playing themselves

[granite plinth]

[patent mauve]

Nothing more satisfying than ratting, getting a portal, and emoting right before leaving. 10/10

[lone crescent]

I got my best gear by killing purple players with greens and whites, if you die as grey you have nothing to lose

[patent mauve]

Now that voips here, i run around being a heal fairy for gearless players. Doing God's work

[lone crescent]

If you get matched based on your gear then you have almost no chance to get upgrades, cause grey play vs grey, green vs green, blue vs blue, etc... That makes no sense

[indigo bane]

The biggest issue is that people are having problems actually getting started at the beginning of the wipe because those that got 1-3 hours of time before them hit lvl 10, have a full kit of +3 AA Blues (rings, necklace, the works) and are just killing people to kill people in Goblins. Not looting people. Just trying to keep others down.

[covert merlin]

I am glad that you have somehow never run into a full kill team and lost everything even when you have white gear and it's just about to lose and get some money I'm glad you've never had to struggle when you run into people with legendary items I am glad you are the best player in the game so you've never struggled to get your items I am glad you have enjoyed this game perfectly and never found anything that's flawed with this that is what you are saying basically

[indigo bane]

if you think that is what Unknown is advocating, you are wrong. If you are postulating that to debase their argument, you are disingenuous.

No one ever said equal to equal. People are asking that those with higher level gear end up in lobbies with higher geared people, more often. Ive gone in as a geared player, and only faced nakeds. There is no challenge. There is no fun. Its boring as, and i want that fixed.

[covert merlin]

at least that someone understand what my words mean

[patent mauve]

I agree that it's difficult, but half the players in goblin caves can make it out if they rat hard enough even against geared players. And the crypts is even higher, I think like 10-12 escape portals spawn on both floors combined. The learning curve is steep, but rewarding.

[indigo bane]

gear is what determines 50% of the fight. There is only so much you can do to out-skill and out maneuver others when they are wearing gear 3 tiers above yours with stats you cannot compare to, especially with the most recent AA change

[patent mauve]

The meme in rogue chat is, have you tried running away?

[indigo bane]

Im sorry i cant run away from the +15 agility figher with sprint. Its just not feasible

[patent mauve]

Not if you don't prep your exit strategy, sure.

[covert merlin]

Rogues definitely need some help mechanically nothing about them gear-wise because they can also kill you

[patent mauve]

Leaving doors leading to the swarm open, not moving until you hear silence. Only moving when people are fighting mobs, there's many routes to take in order to make it out with loot

[covert merlin]

well now we are going back to if- if maybe this maybe this .the point still stands if someone has purple all around in their items they have a higher chance of winning and in some weird occasion especially with fighter they can still out run you in full plate to a rogue who's trying to run away

[indigo bane]

these are the IDEAL situations. No one is fighting in those. Fighters with +15AA and sprinting can close the distance faster than you can run. This extends to bard/wizard as well. You are either being willfully ignorant or just ignoring the issue.

[dim geode]

If you don't hear a fighter in the room over. thats on you

[indigo bane]

sound has been extremely inconsistent since last 2 CBs.

[patent mauve]

If the fighter is in full plate, hes gonna be 15-20% slower than you, 15 agility only gives 15 move speed.
You set up your ideal situation, or you're given an inopportune one. Not every game is gonna go well, but setting yourself up for success is key. Knowing map layouts, spawns, high population areas of conflict. It all factors into chance of success.

[dim geode]

Like he said, you have to know how to rat. Know the popular rooms, avoid them, constantly listen and keep your exit open.

[covert merlin]

I played this game for a while I'm not the best I'm not the best building I have run in a full plate and full perk build my movement speed which sought and shield is 265 and when I click on my queue I move at 304 meaning I am running faster with my cube ability then a rogue when out his tools out and that's just with green items

[dim geode]

I've never had an issue hearing... ever... very very rarely have I ever been surprised by a team whether I'm ratting or not

[patent mauve]

But the rogue still opens doors 50% faster than you.

I play solo cleric on crypts, I've been chased down by rangers and wizard barb buff balls, and each time it was a learning experience. Not a crux

[covert merlin]

I am glad that you've never run into a situation so frustrating then seeing a full plated fighter running at you you opening door closing it on him and you think you have escaped only to get a crossbow Bolt in the back of your head dead because he opened the door and you will not fast enough to find another hiding place

[patent mauve]

I died in full kit as rogue to a perfectly placed ranger longbow shot, right after looting a skeleton key. We all have our bad games, I should've not checked the room that they were in, in the first place. It was on me

[indigo bane]

Gear scaling is an issue. Simple as. I think that, instead of reverting spell changes, they should have nerfed physical to match. Just to see what a highter ttk will feel like.

[patent mauve]

Nothing beats going from 4-5 shotting mobs to 2-3 shotting though

[covert merlin]

bad games happen and back to topic my argument that seems to be always going over people's head is I don't think it's fair for a person who starts playing to immediately die to a group of people whose clearly above his play level how can you think that this game Will Survive and new players will jump in if they have a chance of having so many bad games that when they're done playing they don't have a single goal piece and barely reached level 5 they are never gonna pick up the game again and if no new players get into this game then it will die I apparently cannot believe that many of you guys don't see this as a problem

[indigo bane]

and?

[patent mauve]

Idk, I feel that player would take it worse, if he had a great 8 runs, got a full kit, and then got smoked and lost it all.
I take losing a full kit worse than losing a green weapon and a white leather cap.

[covert merlin]

but I'm done with this argument I've already gotten a warn from the bot that apparently my language is not to the standard and to be honest I would like to stay on this discord since I would like to know when the updates comes out

[dim geode]

I'm not arguing there needs to be something in place to decentivise purps from stomping grays, but mmr or gear based que ain't it.

[lone crescent]

@covert merlin I've had a lot of unfair matchups vs geared players and i accepted it and i moved on, that's just how the game works

[patent mauve]

Most of my games, players are dying to mobs for the first 3-4 kills xD
I think players are just getting gud at their own pace.

[lone crescent]

But I've been that unfair matchup to other players too

[dim geode]

I think something like a degradation system on gear coupled with a shittier normal game loot and more worthwhile high roller would be best, but that is probably easier to say in theory

[patent mauve]

Me terrorizing goblins caves on wipe night with my prepatch max PDR tank cleric xD

[lone crescent]

I tried a purple double axe and i started oneshotting players, that's not even fun

But i still played the game as intended

If a player wants to hunt for other players to kill that's fine, i don't understand the argument "his inventory is full", pvp is fun, they don't need any other reasons

[patent mauve]

Yeah a lot of people say they're against a repair/durability system, but this would damper the problem of geared to the teeth players in non high roller. Just make degradation 2-3x faster in normal lobbies. You wanna terrorize the Timmys? It's gonna cost you 50-100 gold a run if you're wearing purples.

[atomic whale]

Does anybody wants higher FOV?
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482000/add-fov-slider

[patent mauve]

Then they also HAVE to loot for some level of sustainability.

[lone crescent]

If blue vs grey is wrong then what about dropping blues mid game and using them, that's wrong too? You should keep in your inventory without using it?

[dim geode]

Nah I don't think it should be gold based. Permanent loss imo. Meaning you use your good gear to keep getting better gear

Only put it to higher rarities, no need to punish people in greens

[patent mauve]

More gold sinks are fine, people are already suffering from success at the upper echelons.

[indigo jungle]

Bolaslingers need less health, their attacks are litterally undodgable

[dim geode]

Or you can sacrifice other same tier items (ie bad rolls) to keep your good one

[lone crescent]

Durability is lame imho, you work hard for the gear just to lose it by playing

[patent mauve]

They have less HP than goblin bowmen,how much less HP do they needM

[lone crescent]

Smaller hitbox for bolas, it's impossible to dodge in close range

[indigo jungle]

Maybe this would be better than!

[arctic lagoon]

archer and bolas goblins should be the weakest and the axeman and swordman goblins stronger. its so weird

[lone crescent]

Or maybe retrievable throwing weapons from mobs bodies

[indigo jungle]

Durability would not be good, imagine you kill someone who has had good gear for a while and now its all at like 1-2 durability. That would suck

[atomic whale]

Same with arrows, but sometimes I do dodge arrows at close 🤷‍♂️

[woven depot]

I think we could use a practice gamemode where there are the dummies and we get to test out different loadouts and damage numbers freely, as well as making it so we can actually use spells and/or abilities in the actual in game lobbies without losing charges/said ability for the rest of the dungeon

[indigo jungle]

I think arrows are fine usually u can dodge them by circling but bolas it doesn't matter you get hit, then on top of that its poisoned so you basically die if you aren't a cleric or fighter

[patent mauve]

Smaller bolas is a good idea

[lone crescent]

Another possible solution could be a fee for every purple and above you take into the dungeon, but i already know this will not gonna work at all

[indigo jungle]

This would just incentivize people to not use it though, maybe if thats for normal dungeons and taken off for high roller

[lone crescent]

Yeah i mean for normal

[atomic whale]

Merchant with exploding bottles
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483266/add-exploding-bottles-to-tavern-master

[indigo jungle]

Maybe with the slingers a more consistant attack pattern too, sometimes they will immediately release a bola other times they will have a long wind up animation idk

[lone crescent]

Honestly i don't think geared players are that much of an issue, anyone could afford purples through trade if they escape enough times

[patent mauve]

I suggested before we should have a newbie friendly map, that you only find grey, and white gear, unless you fight the community boss, something for newer players to allow them to full send it. Call it the dragons den, with a community loot pile after the boss dies. But the loot can't be better than blue.

[lone crescent]

Also the sound of the throw that continues when he's dead

[mystic yoke]

A shooting range/sparring field would be pretty swell

[lone crescent]

But that's basically free loot and free regear for good players

[patent mauve]

Which isn't already the case now because?

[indigo jungle]

If this was a thing it should probably be level capped

[patent mauve]

We just had an entire conversation with people who were upset about geared players terrorizing newbies. This map is centered around community gameplay, where the only way to get good loot is fight a boss. My idea is that the boss is in a broken center room, and other each of the players only have access to a rubbled corner. Not much player to player interaction. Mainly PVE focused.

[lone crescent]

It's insane how many Rogues play Goblin Caves dual wielding base daggers

[patent mauve]

Think of the mummy room with a chest in the center, players enter from all sides, but fight a boss and loot a pile. There will still be PVP at the end, but lower risk, if the players don't commune together and fight the boss, they make our with grey and white treasures/gear only.

[mystic yoke]

Loot is very easy to get, the main issue IMO for newbs is there is no way to practice or get better without actually fighting mobs and PvP in the dungeon, which has extremely low room for error (thus making it really hard to practice)

[indigo jungle]

I think this is because the drop rate for daggers is 0 to none i barely find them on any class

[mystic yoke]

I see no reason geared players would not show up to that party.

[lone crescent]

I mean they dual wield rondel and castillon not knowing that is a horrible choice

[mystic yoke]

If it's anything like the Cycle, such a map meant for newer players will become the de-facto hotspot for highly geared PvP because it's so easy to find the other players

[patent mauve]

The only way players interact is in the boss room, escape portals will spawn in their respective rooms.

[lean pawn]

The boss could specifically target the most geared players over others

[patent mauve]

It's an isolation style map, PVE focused. We already have the issue of normals with geared players.

[lone crescent]

Personally i am against noob built maps, they make you feel strong and makes you think you are good at the game but at some point you hit a wall and the fun stops

Everytime there is something like this it feels like the devs are baiting you into playing the game instead of helping you

Like mobile games, you play versus bots and you feel like a god then when you reach a certain level you start playing against humans and it sucks

[mystic yoke]

What might be cool for a HR dungeon is what is being proposed for a newb dungeon honestly. A boss room in the middle of the map that requires at least 9 people to stand on pressure plates to open or something, so you just can't get in without grouping with two other teams. Then of course, you'll all fight over the loot either before or after handling the boss... I'd expect garunteed purps and golds in such a room though

[stark cosmos]

That’s what highroller is for

[patent mauve]

For the noobs in here the fun stopped at first buff ball apparently.

[stark cosmos]

Buff ball is really strong

[atomic whale]

Agility for rouges make them so fast, but for barb its just too slow anyway 😦

[lone crescent]

Normal dungeon is made for everyone, no matter your skill level, and HR is made for everyone with enough money and/or gear, no matter your skill level and that's what i like

[steel comet]

Nerf bard's utility in 3v3 and give some utility in solo. Bard is the WORST solo class to play right now

[lone crescent]

I'm just tired of playing games with SBMM

[patent mauve]

I mean, I like this alternative, something to seperate the chads from the newbs. I'm fine with the current state of the game, but a lot of newbs are upset at the gear+skill gap.

[lone crescent]

I got 3shotted by a solo Bard with green falchion as a Barbarian, yes weak...

[atomic whale]

HR has shity loot in goblins

[lone crescent]

I mean dungeons in general, my whole argument is for Crypt and Ruins too

[indigo jungle]

If bard gets nerfed so should cleric the amount of healing and shields that can be reapplied so fast is insane

[jagged cypress]

Bard is fine as a solo

[lone crescent]

Cleric healing over time, no burst and protection with less scaling

[jagged cypress]

So you're saying Cleric should only be allowed to use their channelled Sanctuary spell?

[indigo jungle]

bard solo is fine thats true

[indigo jungle]

that sounds like a good idea

[jagged cypress]

I think it is weird that Cleric gets 2 different target burst heals

[lone crescent]

No I'm saying that lesser heal and holy light should heal the same amount as regeneration in like 3-5 seconds instead of instant heal

This way you cant even spam heals on one player while still keeping Cleric utility in a team

[jagged cypress]

I think you're right because if a party doesn't have a healer in 3v3, they just autolose basically. And Cleric's basically the only healer

[jagged cypress]

I like this. Could you expand upon this? Like lay down some perks Fire Pirate would have?

[ruby hound]

Region lock the Chinese and SEA fucktards using ESP every match to there own shit region.

[glossy steppe]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I think every class should be able to use every weapon and armor (excluding maybe the spellbook), they just have different aptitudes for specific weapons that they would be better at using (Rangers shoot faster and do more damage with a bow for example), then to keep fighters as jack of all trades just give them a better aptitude for a wider range of weapons than any other class. Thoughts?

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483284/new-fighter-perk-projectile-weapon-mastery

[mystic yoke]

I have a feeling that the reason you can currently get equipment with inherently useless stats (like an Armet with Magic Damage % bonus) is because you'll be able to use the class system, when it comes out, to get some "cross-class" abilities

[indigo jungle]

think about a rogue with a poisoned spear

[subtle summit]

I respectfully don't want to see barbs abusing high str for ranger bows
I'm sure that would bring some pretty broken character builds into play lol

unrelated but here's my suggestion
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/479719/barbarian-perksskills-need-rework

It's easier to balance classes by adjusting the weapons they can use and what those weapons do based off the class... like certain daggers and such. Longsword comes into mind as well. If every class was able to use every weapon, it'd be pretty hard to balance. That's my 2 cents

[late ore]

Please add 1 more passive perk to the warlock that can be used for a melee warlock.

[kind wharf]

i think the devs should make out of raid healing a thing where you need to heal once you leave a raid (persistent universe anyone?) and the trader restock should be changed from daily to weekly. the game is too easy as it is right now even given the healing nerfs. also healing potions should be changed from 45 seconds to 5 minutes

[indigo jungle]

5min is INSANE. Maybe just nerf the cleric healing

[granite plinth]

Yes ofcourse. I spent the past hour thinking about this because it is soo heckin cool!

I was thinking he would not be like normal classes but instead have only 4 limited spells.
His first spell is hellfire. It is an AOE that only deals damage to creatures 3 units away from his front and only at a 45 degree angle so its not a full circle aoe. It deals low damage but causes havoc on enemies which makes them have a worse aim on spells and arrows.

His second spell is fire emblem. He surround himself in fire and it acts like half shield. He becomes fully immune to fire damage and takes half damage on other attacks except water and the other half is taken by shield.

His third spell is fire from above. U cast aoe on ground and after 2 sec it stuns.

Fourth spell is firey lob
U throw random weapon from inventory with fire and it deals throw damage plus fire

Also u cant use weapons. Only wearing armor.

When u revive as skeletin u lose all armor already but u can wear weapon. So becareful not to throw all ur weapons!
When ur skeleton u have spell for crit chance.
Another spell for lifesteal
And 1 more spell is single target stun
U dont have 4 ability because revive is an ability

[subtle summit]

If you're talking about something like Tarkov, I disagree, that shit is both annoying and a money sink for no reason. It'd basically make potions and bandages a rare commodity. At that point, just remove them from the game. It'd also make cleric dependence even worse.

[glossy steppe]

Yeah that's the whole idea of proficincies tho. A Barbarian would suck with bows because they would do much less damage and be slower to shoot. This is how it is in DND actually and it's what this game is loosely based off of.

[glossy steppe]

Does sound pretty broken being able to poke and run over and over. It's a tough call but maybe you can specify that poison and armor pen only affect weapons you have a proficiency with.

[spring hound]

change the time mobs follow you, or a distance away. its actually stupid as fuck how long ai will chase u

[glossy steppe]

If you close a door and move out of view they repath to their original area within a few seconds. I'm pretty sure it depends on if the ai can see you and/or has a path to reach you.

[spring hound]

bruh sure a door works, but if there is no door it just follws u for ages

[granite plinth]

@indigo jungle i love inosuke bro hes soo cool but real inosuke plays barbarian/fighter

[amber onyx]

nurf ranger

[glossy steppe]

lowkey I've been getting destroyed by rangers this wipe as a rogue. They bow me until I'm close then use a spear that can two hit me and its fucked because they have more health and are comparible in speed and interaction speed.

[amber onyx]

exactly so can we get a ranger nurf

[subtle summit]

If we're talking proficiencies that wouldn't be bad... This does, however, reward people that play the game very often with specific weapons. Something something gripe about high geared/high level players (would be the same conversation)
As in, high tier, high geared folks with proficiency to meta weapons for that class would punish people who arent.

I get what your saying, and I play DnD/BG3 etc and I like the idea. Idk how you could implement it in a manner that doesn't fuck new players harder. I like the idea that I can spawn base kit and murder a high gear player by outplaying them and I think that should stay in the game y'know? If that gap gets wider, how much worse will it be for new players?

[granite plinth]

Guys i thought of a really good fix for ranger. Lmk if i should make it real suggestion on website.

We make it so not all arrows are 100% hit. It depends in ur position. If ur aiming head, its higher pecent. If ur on highground, its higher percent.
To get 100% u need headshot and high ground and crouch.
U get penalty for every advantage u lack.

What do you think? Good fix?

[indigo jungle]

people have shields and arrow dmg reduction this just makes the class RNG which wouldn't be fun for the class and good for it as a whole. No other class has rng like that

[granite plinth]

Oh i forgot about arrow reduction :/
I thought i was einstein for a second guys ://

[jagged cypress]

I like this but I feel like it would be a lot harder to balance and the dev team is so small

[jagged cypress]

This is actually a crazy good idea for the game

[granite plinth]

Yes ... how about they add my idea and remove arrow reduction? I could include that in my suggestion maybe?

If they have shield or armor, its just lower percentage of successful arrow. This is like in between those 2 so its good right?

I feel like we are onto something guys. Im soo glad u guys are here

[untold stream]

This might be unpopular, but I think this is a core aspect of the game that got me on board: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483301/avoid-splitting-the-player-base

[indigo jungle]

I think warlock needs at least 3 more skills and 3 more Perks before druid gets added this class does not feel complete at all. Hellfire is too slow to do any meaningful dmg to players and the curses are okay but nothing seems good about the class besides melee and there isn't much support for that.

[jagged cypress]

I feel like stun would be too op for fire from above

[glacial sphinx]

Agreed

[granite plinth]

Its skill based because 2 seconds is soo long. We also add cast animation and cancel cast animation so u can bait and they can predict ur casting so its not rng and super skill based

[jagged cypress]

tru but if a team is 3 fire pirates and they get one stun off the others can keep stacking the spell to stunlock and take turns doing damage spell which is pretty crazy

[glacial sphinx]

doesnt sound worth it imo, It'd be odd having a barb with a bow or daggers and I feel classes having distinct weapons makes them easier to balance (which is hard enough already)

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483310/lock-trade-chat-for-the-first-few-weeks-of-a-wipe Lock Trade Chat for a week or two after wipes.

[indigo jungle]

I agree

[jagged flicker]

upvote pls

[strong cloak]

we SHOUDL get to HANG OUT like if you are friends with someone you get an hour to TALK and RELAX. The Dark 'N DARKR fun time and the cloud leaves you room to cHAT

NO MORE storm at end I think you are RIGHT VULGUN this is your BEST IDEA

this way if BARD comes ant they need to be REMOVED FORM THE GAME that then you can get rid of them at the END

[orchid dome]

Fix meds. literally gotta swap your clock forward on your PC in order to get meds, yes everyone is abusing it.

[jagged flicker]

#report-a-bug

[granite plinth]

Hmm also now that i think about it i think casting aoe in this game is hard to code. How about replace that spell with bounty of the pirate king which adds a mark on a target which slows them down by 15% for 20second

[upper hearth]

Man the only Goblins I see in these caves are the people

[subtle night]

I have the Fix for Bard. Just make them equip the intruments in there weapon slots. so they cant AoE/Melee/Range instantly. No class can do all of that and have it hot keyed equiped.

[late ore]

why can the bard use shields and falcions, hes basicly a fighter and cleric combined

[toxic temple]

i feel like the warlock spells have too short a range. granted it's still a wip class

[lyric yew]

DAMAGE
I feel like seeing the damage number would be great or maybe a different sound for actual headshots
The guessing did it hit shoulder neck vs head is kinda cheeks.

[strong cloak]

remove the BARD

[subtle night]

The Bard is for sure required if you want an endgame team comp. Really creating a Meta. Why I say they need to only be able to equip music items in there weapons slots. It would slow down there versatility. Or they need to have a spell count for there music. Music sheets of some sort. Wizard can clear mobs but he has to meditate in some form to reload. Bard is just freely clearing unlimited. He can Hot key Support/AoE/Melee/Range. Limiting him to a hand crossbow would also tone him down. This would slow the progression of dungeon clearing instead of pigeon holing all the other teams without a bard. Slow clearing, while the bard team just power through the dungeon.

[untold stream]

solo/duo queue ruins what made the game great, making each run different with all kind of situations: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483301/avoid-splitting-the-player-base

[deep turret]

We really need faster resting.....spending mad time just sittin

[patent mauve]

Buy campfires, only 24gold

[opal wagon]

mad time prepping it to mad time sitting

[mystic yoke]

Higher resourcefulness makes campfire setups faster

[unique barn]

Barbarians running as fast as a ranger while holding a horsemen axe and the ranger has fists makes no sense.
He was able to not only run as fast but catch up and kill me, no buffs other than the barbarian ones.
There was no skill counterplay i could do at all.

So yeah, how about they nerf the speed on horsemen axe for barbs, they are too fast with it

[summer cedar]

these healing changes makes playing solo so un fun.

[mystic yoke]

Isn't there a ranger perk that slows people down when you hit them in the legs?

[summer cedar]

yes, it's quite powerful because the arrows slow them down and it stacks with the perk so you are basically immobilized

[unique barn]

assuming one uses that perk they should need to shoot and it slows for a short time, to maintain shooting and running the slow down would need to be higher, the barbarian would catch up and win, especially if they are on your ass already, u cant even shoot or you will die even quicker since bows slow us down to turtle speed

[empty crest]

Class section in discord can be cool ! To share and ask question

[stray hound]

idk how to fix ranger but they are literally playing this game on easy mode

[unique barn]

no tf we are not, not unless ur talking about camping ranger who use longbows and somehow never miss?
but trust me, i only play ranger and i can tell you, we are balanced, infact i say we need a buff, but we dont need lonbows, i think those should be nerfed or removed

[sudden mesa]

NERF ROGUE

[sudden mesa]

OFFENDED

[unique barn]

cry about it

[slow sundial]

Add an autoqueue function to automatically team you up with other random solo's or duo's to create a 3 man team. Since the VoIP is back this would be awesome to hear more people make friends and communicate through in-game VoIP

[unique barn]

i like this idea, and you can base it off of karma ranking, so trusted go with trusted

[slow sundial]

Love your input brother, thanks ❤️

[stray hound]

In my experience, the only people defending rangers are ranger mains, ive played all classes and can confirm, rangers are the equivalent of selecting easy mode

[unique barn]

maybe we defend cuz unlike most people we know how it feels.
As ive stated, i can agree that a longbow should be nerfed or removed, but that's it.

seriously so many people say ranger is easy mode and this and that, if that was the case, everyone would be playing it, lobbies would be full of ranger 2-3 men parties, yet, we see none of that, maybe because aiming takes skill, predicting enemy movement, arrow management. We are high risk and high reward, but with so many cry babies around these days the class now is mostly high risk with medium reward

[patent mauve]

Rangers got a max range nerf and a 52 pickup minigame, they're overtuned. They nerfed the class by making them tedious to play. That's it.

[twin kiln]

Ranger needs a huge buff, it's far too weak of a class. I'm thinking triple dmg for the longbow and a 3 second cool down on triple shot... opinions?

[granite plinth]

if you dont use grey bows, then you can kill people easier

[patent mauve]

Arrows should go through walls, a great buff.

[unique barn]

These devs dont know how to properly nerf a ranger, and made the class annoying asf to play, like knight said, max range nerf and a 52 pickup minigame.
Id be happy with them removing longbows entirely.
a small buff on survival bow, and a small nerf on the recurve, remove longbows or nerf the crap outta them
Then introduce a passive perk that increases damage when using bows so that way we are back to being a little stronger than a fighter for using a bow.
This makes us waste a 1 perk slot so we give up something else thats important, this creates a nerf and balancing act.
Traps are too loud, those can be heard arcross map, makes no sense, they should not be so loud.

[twin kiln]

Fr, let's get a skill that gives us wall hacks and ghost arrows. Make the cool down like 5 seconds

[granite plinth]

i do agree though picking up arrows is tedious as fuck

[patent mauve]

Blue quality traps should instant kill

[twin kiln]

Nah white traps should insta kill, blue traps should permaban you from the game

[patent mauve]

Traps should only be able to be removed by someone else. If you're solo, tough noodles.

[unique barn]

humans have two hands, that makes no sense

[granite plinth]

1 - gear based matchmaking. and only blue gear allowed in normal dungeons. if youve got purple and orange gear. go to high roller.

2- nerf fighters ability to recieve buffs. I dont think the fighters themselves are too op. But they as a class default. shouldnt recieve full buff power

3- more ranger range with bows

theyre my thoughts.

Also slow the circle down towards the end of the gaem

[patent mauve]

Traps should have sentience, tracking players and hunting them down

[granite plinth]

also a buff cap too would be nice, so each character can only have X amount of active buffs. Not a 15 buff menu

[unique barn]

i kinda agree with the ugly profile pic guy here

except id argue i think purple should be the cut off for normal dungeons, but orange and named items to be forced into high rolled.
Good thinking tho

[nova snow]

ITT: ranger main doesn't want his OP class to be nerfed

[granite plinth]

@unique barn bro im handsome as fuck, whatchu on about ❤️

[untold stream]

FRONKOSTIN!

[granite plinth]

leonino knows! 😄 cultured

[untold stream]

frau blucher

any neigh in the distance?

[granite plinth]

@unique barn and to expand on the gear stuff. could even do like a point system. so if you exceed X amount of points then you cant enter ?

So yeah you could in theory have a badass purple sword. but you have to decide if you want to sacrafice some armour maybe.

or if you want to bring in 10000 heals. its going to go towards your gear point cost.

Could be another smort way of doing it, i dunno. just brainstorming here

[untold stream]

i think that keeping it as anarchic as possible is a better aproach, because if you try something like that the devs are gonna spend a huge amount of time balancing stuff, and any new feature/item/spell would be a hell to balance

[granite plinth]

yeah simples probably better

[unique barn]

That would require too much calculations on the devs to sit there and assign points to each thing

[untold stream]

and thats why i think this is the best approach, and what made the earlier playtests way way more fun to play: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483301/avoid-splitting-the-player-base
im on a shilling crusade sorry 🙂

[long isle]

add a Newbie system where they have access to lobbys that are only avalable to lvl 10 and below peoeple where there is a max of blue gear and make loot worse but make enemys have less hp and less dmg make more portals spawn so that newbies arent scared away

[twin kiln]

They should also be invisible

[patent mauve]

Also make the gear untradable, and you can't stash it.

[atomic whale]

**Convert souls into better items **
👍
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483380/enchanter-npc-reenchanting-items

[weak rampart]

Barbarian should have %HP Heals

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483373/barbarian-should-get-a-perk-that-gives-hp-heals-rather-than-flat-hp-heals

[glacial moon]

Nerf rogues they too OP

[untold stream]

playing goblin cave?

[lone crescent]

Yes give more reason to stomp grey gear folks with high end gear

[steady pelican]

Please give warlocks a throwable!! Warlocks should be able to throw some franciscas!

[drowsy grotto]

I feel like if they nerfed the speed skill for fighter it'd make choosing different skills more common

[frosty knoll]

a class perk that lets barb over-head throw battle and double axes because reasons.

[drowsy grotto]

Nvm, like that idea.

[quasi echo]

NEED entry gearscore !

[atomic whale]

maybe nerf rouge and mage?

[lone crescent]

What?

[quasi echo]

entrances should find players according to gearscore !

[atomic whale]

??

[lone crescent]

Nerf Wizard and Rogue for what? I was responding to soul hearth suggetion

[frosty knoll]

Personally, I dont struggle against wizards and rogues so much anymore. Both of their heads are super soft.

[atomic whale]

better gear usually wins, you want other wise ?

[ancient briar]

Nerf magic missiles they are oppppp

[atomic whale]

4 zaps in 5s thats op 😄

[ancient briar]

The anti tank missiles are back. We love them but we have to nerf it for the good of this game.

[drowsy grotto]

Rogue is kinda shit now ngl, wizard should be nerfed though.

The benefit to rogue was being able to get away and combined with a mini-crossy it made him strong, with both nerfed it just makes him a fine character.

[atomic whale]

how so? 😄

[lone crescent]

@atomic whale how's that relevant to the soul hearth suggestion? Taking soul hearts from players will only encourage noob stomping.
I'm against triumph system for the same reason, someone could run normal dungeon with OP gear to get blue shards

[atomic whale]

rouges 170hp kinda slay everything

[drowsy grotto]

When zap can two/three shot fully geared players it's not a good thing

[drowsy grotto]

That requires a full build to make it work, saying rogues good when he's fully geared is stupid, any character is strong when fully geared.

[atomic whale]

a bit true but if more players would do this strat, then sometimes noobs can take better gear

[stray wasp]

Nerf braindead cleric/bard

[lone crescent]

Still there should be no reward at all for engaging in pvp outside of gear

[atomic whale]

why not?

[lone crescent]

Noob stomping and people forced into pvp even if they want to avoid it

[glacial moon]

It's a joke rogue dont need a nerf

[atomic whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcaHvjDW778&pp=ygUXZGFyayBkYXJrZXIgIHJvZ3VlIHRhbms%3D

[abstract swallow]

I agree with Khan for once, PvP should be an emergent interaction based on risk, circumstance and communication

[glacial moon]

Any class with the same strenght/gear would have way better health and damage than this rogue u link a video of - That's facts!

[abstract swallow]

Something is definitely wrong with loot pools, purples are way too common

It was one thing to farm big chests for them, but I'm pulling multiple blues and purples just hitting 1-2 loot rooms in LR Crypts
It's been mostly garbage bases, but the number of them is way, way overtuned

[atomic whale]

rouge has so many armor pen xd

[glacial moon]

This rogue has 0 armor pen pretty much - Also runs "hide" like a noob would do with this gear you would not use skill: hide! XD This rogue is a noob who knows nothing - A real rogue player would never try face fight ppl - Only keep distance shooting crossbow and throwing knifes untill ppl dies, only if he "had to" you face fight since u are a ROGUE and pretty much a 1 shot no matter how much hp u has since "Headshot is double damage" and thus fast can lead to 100+200 damage. If guy had an actually brain and used it correctly guy would keep his distance and survive way more than going around showing off like a newbie or for content video and face tanking everyone. Just sayin.

[atomic whale]

rogue can also do that dmg, and he even stabs faster + armor pen perk + dagger dmg and weak point 😄

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1023938320000110643/1146062205964529844/image.png

[glacial moon]

Then u not use rapier if u has dagger perks, im not saying rogues can't do dmg but they have to kinda use all perks which benefits from dmg and armor pen to kill any good player, also rogues are pretty much a 1 hit = dead, if no gear, rogues is trash class but i main rogue and thus i know the truth. You can't really face fight any class what so ever if u not want to die, but u can also be kind of OP with the use of distance and crossbow/thowing knifes. At least it's way better than to use hide in most of situations you will meet in-game and thus u will run weakpoint/caltrops or like this instead.

[atomic whale]

[viral spindle]

what if instead of just numbers making the health/invis/ect better

when you drink a pot, u drink the entire pot
and the numbers show how much ur gunna get from that pot
what if it just depends on how much is in the pot
so if the pot is bad then it would only be 1/4th full
if it was decent then it be half full
and so on

just giving the potions more than just numbers making it good

[crystal bison]

Barbarian wizard and bard combo is the most broken shit there is, change so wizzards can only do the buffs on themselves man, trash

[short heath]

I think devs shadow buffed percentages around the board to see if the GBMM suggestion stayed in conversation following gear being readily available to most-all players and to see how quickly post-wipe the problem of geared players running no-antes would arise. They're gathering data to see what they think will be necessary. If people still complain with higher drop rates, then it's legitimately a problem for the growth of the game in two ways - one being HR doesn't have enough incentive to warrant running, and the second being veteran/geared players gatekeeping new player progression by griefing them in no-ante runs.

[atomic whale]

well I did suggestion once about event dungeones where you can play only with 3 random classes at the time 😄

[arctic lagoon]

cleric needs to CHILL with his spell casting buffs on people, its annoying as hell

[abstract swallow]

I sincerely doubt it's for GBMM but it probably is related to observing gear disparity/rarity usage data collection
Having day 1 purple weapons without even being able to enter HR or trade just wrecks progression though

Rarity scaling definitely needs to be made diminishing returns and loot needs to get cut down hard if they want HR to have any reason to exist.

With rates this high, even if they move Ruins back to F1 and add durability, the economy is just bricked in less than a week.

[dapper crescent]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/477317/hunting-trap-needs-rework

Just one of many trap rework suggestions. It wasn't enough to remove the skill check, and fix the bug of being able to place it on arrows. The root needs to be removed in order for the trap to be justified in the game. Default rangers get two free chances at 100% killing any level of geared opponent, by waiting for the circle to close and placing them on monster corpses.

If I were to estimate the amount of gold in gear sets I've lost to traps placed on monster corpses, just this playtest it would be nearing 10k. On that note, I'm a pretty decent player. I can confirm that ranger traps are unfair, unbalanced, and impossible to play around(again, monster corpses).

[late ore]

Please add rarity to torches with different damage values***

[ripe turtle]

One thing has been bothering me. The Rogue's own poisons are magical attacks. How come there is no separate poison damage status effect in Dark and Darker? Would make sense to have different status effects for certain abilities like Rupture dealing poison damage over time that bypasses PDR and MDR.

[warm garnet]

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[rugged basin]

But as of now noon stomping doesn’t increase triumph, as killing players offers no exp at this time. And correct me if I’m mistaken but triumph is based on actives in raid and extraction. Pking I don’t believe counts rn

[tulip hill]

Rupture is a bleed, not a poison
also if they made poison its own damage type, it would stand to reason that fire should be its own damage type given the existence of oil lanterns and explosion bottles
not agreeing or disagreeing here, just making an observation

[warm garnet]

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[latent terrace]

I dont mean to be THAT GUY but..I have been running into lots of solos and groups in normal lobbies with all purples.. what gives. Gear Score might be nice. Just a suggestion.

[short heath]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472659/matchmaking-balance-calculation-suggestion#comment540252

[latent terrace]

Upvoted bro

[short heath]

Legit the only way to keep veteran/fully geared players from griefing new players is to implement GBMM in some form. Either if >/= blue average gear score, then HR lock, or putting all the griefers against each other in GBMM no-ante lobbies.

[ebon nebula]

under lvl 10 --> locked to noob lobbies

[short mulch]

i mean goblin caves do exist. i started out base and somehow kept coming out alive. level 12 in one day lol. only issue is that now goblin caves have become that area where you pretty much have to start or keep playing if your a solo. if you go solo in the normal area or ruins its pretty much a death sentince

[wind ridge]

can we please add a feature to the game restricting one of each class in a party its not fun to run into 3 rangers on one team

[tulip hill]

...yes
but that has little to do with gear
before we even take gear into account, a party of 3 will have triple your health, triple your damage, and triple your combat flexibility
if you play solo in the three man dungeons you are volunteering to be at a massive disadvantage

[latent terrace]

I was in goblin caves and still running into players with capes and full purples

[twin kiln]

You can do ranger in ruins or crypts solo just fine, as well as rogue. Just pick your battles and rat around

[crimson jewel]

make a rarity restriction for a goblin cave. like you only can bring up to green rarity gears.

[silent aspen]

Suggestion: Weapon merchant should always have at least 1 weapon available for your class. Not being able to buy a rat item to bank a good item is super troll lol i hope that's not a cooked take bc that would be odd too

[normal robin]

Made some stuff for Dark and Darker streamers with no cool border shit #1146230070269202503 completely free

[hoary breach]

Nerf fighter. No class should be able to do everything. They run fast wearing full plate having incredible damage mitigation, heal, do damage with ranged and melee, it's too much. They run faster than cloth wearer and it doesn't make sense.

[strong cloak]

PLEASE RESPOND

[polar pebble]

wizard's spells makes the fighter problem vanish into thin air

[spare plaza]

ilvl of some sorts to keep the fully geared people out of norms or lvl 1-5 lobby or something

[ancient pawn]

idk if I'm the first to suggest this but I would LOVE IT if goblin mechant took silver coins as payment. It would be so much fun to save them up and turn them in for spins on free gear. Plus you could still turn the coins into gold if you wanted.

[solid igloo]

we need guilds asap

[tiny sorrel]

Better trading system

[slender void]

We need some fall damage. People dropping from multi-story ass towers as rangers or rogues taking zero damage, kinda goofy in a bad way.

[elfin wyvern]

Yeah but rogue should take less fall damage then ranger

[odd saffron]

Does anyone care about Class Training being unlocked?

[tribal rune]

The thing is a rarity restriction would not help too much as a player with +1/2 all attributes on all there gear will still stomp a base kit player

[analog barn]

I'd like the idea of having a rarity block for the Lower levels. It's not needed but It is kind of annoying when theres a legit high roller level right there to use and people come in full purple rarity in the place that new recruits can spawn and try to learn the game.

[tribal rune]

I agree it’s bad having geared players with new players however I feel like a rarity lock would not be enough I think a better solution would be to give the geared players a bigger reason to play high roller or something as even if you restrict goblin caves to much you also could then get loot in the dungeon you would not be able to wear

[analog barn]

Yeah I see your point, it would definitely make sense to give them more incentive but right back at ya I dont think thatll stop people more than a lock...if you're going into a normal raid with full purple what more could you be looking for?
The best I've found in normal raids is a purple every now and then, but the oranges and alot more purps and blues predominantly spawn in high rollers or off of bosses.. personally ive seen more people just go in fully decked out to wipe lobbies than to loot.
I've watched 6 people in solos and trios just dunk on someone then not even loot them because they are full purple, then leave after they wipe.
Like i said it's not a needes feature, but it would def help cater to newer players vs players with no life..

[hoary breach]

One specific class with some specific spells, please tell me more.

[tribal rune]

Yeah I feel like a soft matchmaking system could be good like you gain points for kills and escapes and lose points for deaths so if people are wiping entire lobbies they get put against other players wiping lobbies however I’m not sure the game has the player count for that

[rare quiver]

remove rangers from the game completely and make fighters not be able to use ranged and the game will be 100% more enjoyable for everyone

[elder jolt]

Do you think Ironmace will make a PvE mode, or something a little more friendly for casual players? Feels like the community is eating itself alive right now

[abstract swallow]

There will probably be offline raids after the full release

[silent merlin]

big facts

[rare quiver]

the fact it hasn't been done is mind blowing. Could literally balance the game better my ass

[rare quiver]

1. Will kill the game population. 2. fighters are broken they can one shot you with ranged from days away. 3. rangers are already completely broken. Are you even playing the same game?

[molten vessel]

end of game voice chat, after you extract or die you cant talk with other people who are spectating until the match ends and the lobby closes

[silent merlin]

Either everyone should have a good ranged option, or nobody should. No class should be able to kill everyone with one ability, from the other side of a room, barring the two classes that can wear plate armor. It is legitimately insane to me that ranger has been largely untouched besides removing infinite arrows, and adding free armor pen?? nvm on those plate armor classes. Ranger is boring to play and frustrating to play against.

[limber whale]

Matchmaking based on triumph level

[main mason]

Can we have a report system in gathering hall for gold sellers? Idk where to put my evidence but I feel that should be something we can take care of.

[visual nacelle]

Turn off VoIP in goblin caves, ppl cant control them selves and team... it ruins the solo experiance

[rare quiver]

so true

[glacial minnow]

Why can 2 beetles stop me from moving completely with speed debuffs

[amber onyx]

again nurf ranger

bard is in a really good place right at this current nurf ranger

[vapid zephyr]

Friends list, exp gains summary after escaping

[twin delta]

that's a real solid suggested pair ngl

[abstract swallow]

best barb suggestion I've ever seent

[lucid folio]

something has to be done around people just running from each other all the time, it turns the game into circus

[high wyvern]

👎

[vestal wharf]

Can we please get +1 movement speed to the Red Skeleton race? red clearly means it moves faster

[abstract swallow]

You're upset people are... running away in a hardcore game with incredibly lethal PvP?
That's like the first line of defense dude.

[pure bone]

yo, could we have character-specific keybinds pls

[blazing hedge]

why should it open any freaking chest or anything, it's a bard, it enchants SNAKES not locks

freaking alohomora on a freaking bard, jesus H christ

like the bard needed more shit to do lmao

it's so obvious someone isnt liking some of the stuff the balance team does cause that is a clear example of complete lack of cohesion

[rapid terrace]

we should be able to leave lobbies we queue'd by mistake IF in the PRELOBBY like FR or if the game bugs out and splits groups up into solos and cucks you royally

[blazing hedge]

Staff, nah, shouldnt block, flute? ah yeah it should!

[pure bone]

yessss

[rapid terrace]

ive lost thousands in gold becuase of this bug and a couple kits not remembering it deletes it all because i went into the wrong MAP FFS let us leave freely if we want to

[arctic junco]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/479901/training-grounds

[rapid terrace]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483531/wrong-lobby-queue

[drowsy warren]

Hello admins can we have the data of the post wipe please like those on #development

[toxic temple]

Warlock could use more weapon variety. i feel like a warlock should be able to use at least some of the daggers

[analog turret]

no

[prime geode]

so fucking glad they used tarkov scav AI for the Crossbow Skeles

really fun fighting the matrix with 100% accuracy while I am jumping or moving

[copper cosmos]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482996/remove-trading-hall-or-keep-the-player-base-poor-the-game-is-to-easy

[hot hemlock]

Brotha you need to learn how to wait until they ab to shoot and step left or right, bow and xbow skeles will always aim for your head. The bow skele however when it does its double shot aims head then chest. Goofy ass skill issue to complain about

[prime geode]

okay well when you just get sniped from the ledge / while moving and or jumping, ya still get headshot 1tapped because they get to just have god aim with the crossbow. Maybe you should get your goofy ass out the suggestion discussion and IDK fuck off in your own game?

But thats just a goofy social issue for you huh?

[hot hemlock]

Someones triggered theyre bad at the game

[prime geode]

Someones ignorant at how the game actually works, is intended to work, and thinks it should work

but please tell me more at HOW TO BE GOOD MR IM THE BEST AT THIS GAME

[hot hemlock]

Once again, tilted over simplistic AI, go in base gear to ruins. Find an archer or xbowman and prove me wrong if you just stand still against it. Always first shot head and double shot chest.

Of course if youre jumping ducking and dodging right away your big ass character model is gonna be more likely to get hit no matter what.

[strange marlin]

make the market 1 large market instead of many small posts also add auto trading like a buy request on things

[hot hemlock]

Do you see how hectic one post already is? Now imagine 9x the people posting in it. Even with filters itd still be too fast for an active trade chat.

[prime geode]

you have such shit takes dude

[strange marlin]

completly change the UI of the Trading post Tarkov had an amazing trading system

[prime geode]

bet you main ranger since rogue got nerfed

[strange marlin]

panda who are you talking to?

[prime geode]

TheDarkShitlomat

[hot hemlock]

I play fighter and bard man, but sure my takes are shit on your inability to step left and right against a straight shot AI LMAOOOO

Its okay not everyone can play games at a level that makes them fun. Youll get there eventually im sure.

[prime geode]

Yea that straight shot AI with a hitscan bolt and aimbot, but its okay not everyone understands how this game works, or the evolution of it. But hey go play your meta combo, oh did your friends go to bed thats why your are here starting shit?

[hot hemlock]

PvE isnt supposed to be some fall over time filler between your fights. Its supposed to slow you down and make you think before headcharging into a room

Its not hitscan, I dodge it just about 98% of the time. And why would I need a group to play w when I have teams with people like you in them to 1v3

[ebon idol]

How are you being shot by crossbowmen? Archers are 100 times worse

[hot hemlock]

Cause hes terrible

[ebon idol]

Crossbowmen can't even hit you when you like walk left. Archers are a pain because they have good short range tracking.

[hot hemlock]

I mean even archers at short range u just face stuff and crouch look down when they start to shoot

Sometimes itll hit you but most times itll pass right over

[prime geode]

yea just do as the best player DARKSHITLOMAT SAYS DONT GET HIT KEKW just that simple lazilly list to the left and you will never get hit by anything again, glad I watched all his streams and YT vids.

[strange marlin]

why are you so angry?

[hot hemlock]

I explain to him how to easily dodge some simple AI and hes mad it turned out to be a skill problem not an AI problem

[strange marlin]

if Little man jr has a skill issue he just needs to dodge and duck the AI its really easy

[hot hemlock]

RIGHT

[prime geode]

because this fuckbag thinks he knows everything, thinks its so easy to just dont get hit, or walk left, or whatever bullshit excuse he is coming up with to justify his reasoning when he knows NOTHING about what others experience in this game. Treats people like they dont know how to play the game and the criticism about it are invalid because GIT GUD. When in actuality a Crossbow skele is more likely ONESHOT a player because the AI is not good. but yea just dont get hit, walk left, sit on stairs, whatever fucking bullshit you all tell yourselves enjoy being blocked.

[strange marlin]

wow that was alot

[hot hemlock]

You dont know how to play the game, just complain about it. Its okay tho you already gave them your money and me all ur gear doofus

[abstract swallow]

Crossbow skeleton can reliably be baited to waste his shot into a corner or obstacle.
Even if you are on a poor connection and have zero sense of movement against tracking or predictive dodging, you can force him to reload safely if you just take your time and learn the dungeon.

[plush orchid]

Crossbow skele is literally the least threatening monster in the game so long you know it's there. Strafe until it shoots, whack it a couple times in the head, done and dead. If you get tapped by it, not knowing it's there.. well.. now you know and maybe next time you will remember that.

[livid mesa]

BUFF CHEATERS

[hot hemlock]

Retweet

[hoary breach]

fighter main confirmed

[hot hemlock]

I mean they run faster than cloth with sprint active, they do less dmg than other classes when not using native weapons. But yes I do 100% agree they need to be slower especially when wearing full platemail

[abstract swallow]

With plate and a 2h they're the only class that can hit the move speed minimum when doing actions
IDK how much slower you can make them without making PvE impossible for them

[full cliff]

ranged skellies are only a problem when they fire at you from certain close distances. just feels like if you're too close to them the arrow will hit you from impossible angles. origin point of the arrow probably isnt where it actually is on the skeleton model.

[floral sluice]

Looks like the duo queue suggestion is closing in on the top 4 spot now

[blazing hedge]

It's fun some of the suggestion are "Do this so your game is not illegal to distribute in my country"

Like having refunds

[abstract idol]

larger gold bag, buy it for 15g cann hold like 100 or 200 r smthn

[robust thistle]

opinion irrelevant you're dog cope and reply

[hot hemlock]

I mean I play fighter im not one of the anti fighter copers. Shits busted 😂

[glacial moon]

Suggestion: A speciel skin for (only me) - The Goblin King skin - Thanks in advance iornmace you’re awesome . Ok serious now where do we find the Goblin King? I been looking for him in all the Goblin Cave Maybe i missed him in a secret path or something.

[marsh rover]

how do you sugest ?

[bleak dagger]

People complaining about fighter being too strong have absolutely no idea of the game.

[potent ocean]

I didn't find anything about audio from spell so I made a suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483587/reduce-audio-warlockwizard-sound-spell

[plush orchid]

I wouldn't mind trying a 1 month wipe where there was no trade tbh

[bleak dagger]

+3 all is a mistake. prove me wrong.

[slender mauve]

The tank is tanky! Help pls nerf

[ebon idol]

The tank is tanky while twoshotting me as a full plate cleric. Please nerf.

To be fair, they did. Falchion nerf was needed.

[hot hemlock]

Fighter needs to either tank or 2 shot, shouldnt be able to do both simultaneously

[abstract swallow]

the falchion nerf was blatantly unnecessary (it was already a niche weapon, even for fighter) and caught multiple non-fighter classes as collateral

[plush orchid]

yeah... no

[ebon idol]

What are you talking about? Falchion was the go to weapon for every class that could play it, and the best in slot for fighters since ever.

Attackspeed of a one handed weapon and damage of a two handed weapon while also having a great attack pattern

[slow thunder]

make this true so I can play bard in GC and assemble a group of rapscallions and conquer the caves

[left lion]

I agree why cleric can heal buff enemies but bards only affect allies

[civic yoke]

SUGGESTION: Make it possible to have game audio and voice chat on separate audio output devices

[abstract swallow]

The falchion was popular because it scaled well against default kits and LR PvE, and horizontal swings were easy for new players to use. The weapon previously did zero damage on sourspot hit and was still popular-- anyone thinking it was because it was 'best in slot' was misinformed at best.

The weapon was only superior to its peers for low gear farming and for trading a combo out of block, and after the nerf shaved a full rarity of scaling off the weapon it's no longer competitive with an equivalent Arming Sword or Rapier, which have objectively superior DPS and kill profiles while having miles better movesets, reach, and penalties.

[ripe turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/165bu7d/hear_me_out/ < Ironmace, I dare to say this is what many of us would want.

[left lion]

I like clicking one by one gives me way more satisfaction

[plush orchid]

There needs to be a suggestion channel for Discord suggestions

[jaunty vector]

it should tell people when they dont have enough for a trade lol, the amount of people spam posting without the fee is unreal

[worn agate]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480053/give-bard-access-to-rubysilver-leather-cap

Hello, I would like this added to bard. Thanks

[signal vine]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483639/bad-pubg-game

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483635/fix-cave-troll-more

[late dome]

Just be better