suggestion-discussion

[torn orchid]

and songs for the rest

[twin delta]

NOOOOO

[rugged pilot]

No I don't like this idea afterall

I don't want to be haste rushed by a p2w barb

[torn orchid]

what if a lockpick breaks and jams the lock

[rugged pilot]

[twin delta]

i got so much good loot

[faint zinc]

O_O

[torn orchid]

never to be opened by any player after it breaks

[twin delta]

while ratting

[rugged pilot]

nooo the lockpick skillcheck is hard

nooooo

[faint zinc]

then they just will be with mage)

[twin delta]

internet disconnected and i logged back in just in time to see a barb cleave my head

😭

[rugged pilot]

Thats evil information do NOT give it to the devs

noooo

[torn orchid]

make it a bit easier it should be hardest for rogue fk that guy and his unlimited attempts

[twin delta]

man fuck that idea of botching locks

[torn orchid]

eventually he should get caught and lose invi abitlity or has hands chopped of

[rugged pilot]

Wizard should open portals faster

[ebon idol]

Legit my friend always gives me the lockpicks. He is old, doesn't have the reaction anymore... then he makes insane plays in combat lol

[twin delta]

rogue already has a lot to try and handle to stay alive

[covert bramble]

Lockpicking is easy

[twin delta]

it's partly why- you shush on that mrheri

[torn orchid]

i have broken 50 lockpicks at leaset

[ebon idol]

I think he is just lazy

[covert bramble]

Bro i play as a fighter and i can lockpick easly 💀

[twin delta]

play a rogue and learn the minigame. trap sense and disabling traps is the same minigame btw

[torn orchid]

make it a mouse click not a spacebar interaction

[rugged pilot]

We have a barb on our team that loves to use lockpicks

"oh pog I have a lockpick......... SHIT"

[twin delta]

heh

does he smash them when he fails?

'cause that'd be funny

[ebon idol]

Space bar is the best for reaction speed

[rugged pilot]

He tries on the metal ones yeah

[torn orchid]

no

[twin delta]

lol

[torn orchid]

mouse 1 i

[ebon idol]

However I wish I knew the first time, give me a tool tip or smth

[twin delta]

actually hanksy you're off the mark

[torn orchid]

you litterally use that in any game more than anything aside from w

[covert bramble]

While i am here,what do oyu all think off the suggestion i made?

[twin delta]

pressing the spacebar happens over 75 milliseconds faster than clicking M1

[torn orchid]

when ?

[twin delta]

i'll see if i can find that study again

[rugged pilot]

Going caving, hold up the fort

[torn orchid]

well your a slow clicker then

a mouse button has how much less weight to press

[twin delta]

https://www.arealme.com/spacebar-test/en/

[torn orchid]

and a spacebar is clunky on the best of keyboards

[twin delta]

that's the site i remember seeing

[ebon idol]

Pirate is not a very fantasy class, and not one of the core I would think of when someone tells me fanstasy dungeon crawler.

[twin delta]

scrounging their sources

[torn orchid]

bro you probably spacebar the shiz out of that site

just has an address on cntrl v

[faint zinc]

Pirate will look bad in this game)

[torn orchid]

rum

[ebon idol]

Rogue already is a fencer.

[torn orchid]

single load musket

[ebon idol]

If you give him a handcrossbow, it is the same class

[twin delta]

rogue is a good duelist with rapier and shortsword

hand crossbow and access to franciscan axes, and you got a pirate yeah

[torn orchid]

leave rogue out of this shes had a rough day

[twin delta]

rogue is also in for the highway robbery

[ebon idol]

I am trying to buff her

[twin delta]

pirates are just naval bandits

[ebon idol]

Emotional support crossbow

[twin delta]

hehehe

[torn orchid]

defs bandits my favourite kind

[twin delta]

windlass crossbow, my beloved

how i hate your immobile reload

[torn orchid]

when bowie knife fade ?

[ebon idol]

Skin for 100 bucks

[twin delta]

lol, skins

[torn orchid]

u can keep your b and ill give you an f

and for free

[twin delta]

oh that's a thought

[ebon idol]

Already have a bf

[twin delta]

survival bow and regular crossbow

[torn orchid]

ooo gamer words eek

bubble whats your pronouns

[ebon idol]

Anyway, what do you think of a warrior priest perk? Cleric gains 4 magic damage on attack, but only if they don't have spell memory.

[torn orchid]

i assumed you was a man

[ebon idol]

She/her

[torn orchid]

my bad

[ebon idol]

But on the internet, everyone is a man.

Everybody knows that.

[torn orchid]

das right

hmmm warrior priest you say

non human ?>

[rugged pilot]

making moves in the suggestion discussion on darker and darker discord

[rugged pilot]

She / her is clearly a cat or fox of some kind

[torn orchid]

too far

back to warrior priest - non human ?

orc perhaps ?

[ebon idol]

I was talking about making it a perk, not a class or race.

Idk what you mean

[torn orchid]

oh that changes everything

[south cliff]

Suggestion from Jon23 is what I was thinking too BUT not pve only.

[torn orchid]

link to suggestion pls ^

[south cliff]

Sorry

[torn orchid]

all good just in case multiple suggests

im late to the disussion

[south cliff]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[torn orchid]

ty ty

negative

+1 downvote from me

[ebon idol]

+1 hmm for me.

Love the idea, but doesn't fit the game.

[torn orchid]

it just sound way too cheesable

unless its on the ocean and im a pirate

with rum

[ebon idol]

I like that the rounds are short. If we would add more layers to the dungeon past floor 3, you would eventually gain too much good loot you would usually only get from boss kills.

Also dislike the pve

[torn orchid]

^ that part

if pvp is removed im out

[rugged pilot]

I want the priate

[torn orchid]

unless its a fight to the death 1 survivor br style on the last leg

[twin delta]

no pirate only rogue

[rugged pilot]

change your votes immediately

Pirate

[torn orchid]

cyclops

[rugged pilot]

[torn orchid]

mega boss

ridng a dragon

[ebon idol]

Only bards can ride a dragon.

[south cliff]

Can I whine like a stupid baby inside a suggestion? I desperately want the max number of players to be put back to 16 or even lowered. I sucked so much yesterday that I'm still pissed

[ebon idol]

You can suggest it without whining too

Many have.

[torn orchid]

nah to many purple item users now in normie dungeons thats the problem not the player count

hence why i say hr dungeons for ballers

[south cliff]

Hmmmmm, interesting idea.

[torn orchid]

or if you wear purple gear you instantly take all mobs in a room agro and cannot escape it with fear etc

rogue banned from purple gear

[south cliff]

So the problem is not only me being a ethernal noob, but also very experienced and equpped players predating noobs?

[torn orchid]

english please

before i was unfairly banned i saw like 1 or max 2 ppl in a dungeaon with purps now i come back and everyone has them, i see what really happened during the ban wave

[ebon idol]

Yeah, but also purples with bad stats are being sold in the market for 200g, maybe 150g

More purples = more people get better loot =more purples

[torn orchid]

stats dont stop the damage from being triple that of the dmg they had les than 24 hrs ago

[ebon idol]

Trickle down economics, fuck yeah

Purple weapons are still worth a lot.. like 250 or so

[twin delta]

trickle down sucks

[torn orchid]

^

[twin delta]

because it's always a pyramid scheme

[torn orchid]

^

and the real cheaters will always be at the top

untill the game is dead

[twin delta]

mhm

[south cliff]

Sorry.

I suck at online games that require timing or skills. Always had sucked, always will suck.

But are you saying that I am not the only one to blame and that overpowered players that hunt beginners is a thing?

[rugged pilot]

I feel so bad dude, I just met like a 4man friendly team in goblin cave

[twin delta]

yah killed 'em didn't you

they trusted you breeze

[rugged pilot]

I killed one

[torn orchid]

no it just sounds like you didnt play internet game prior to high speed internet, try play on the furthest servers to get used to pre firing to compensate for lag its a reall mentor

[ebon idol]

kill one, hide, see them fall apart.

[rugged pilot]

I found a portal and had no loot, he walked in and I closed the door, killed him

one of the others came in and saw the body, sprinted for the portal and took it

The guy I killed was full starter gear with 1 single cracked bangle

I feel like I murdered a baby

[ebon idol]

@south cliff Better equipped players are going to defeat you most likely. Only way you can win if outstrategise and outplay them. However, they have good loot, so they most likely are not bad at the game.

This game is a kind of game that stacks advantages on top of the players that play the most and play well.

[twin delta]

damn breeze, yah killed a child

[south cliff]

Wait........ Oh shit I'm a moron. I understood now that the goblin cave is not pve, but solo. I never tried it cause I mismatched the terms. Very cool then.

The real problem will be when I'll discover that I suck even there.

[rugged pilot]

[twin delta]

coblin caves is your uh

[ebon idol]

[twin delta]

'tutorial' i'd say

[torn orchid]

yerypro10 — Today at 10:46 PM
u moron
wtf are u doing disliking this message
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486
vote like or u will regret it the rest of ur missrerable life
i advise u
u will get banned frokm dyd server
u wont play more playtest

[ebon idol]

It most definitely is not.

[torn orchid]

^ this guy what a scrub

[twin delta]

learn to not get hit, learn how to block and move, learn how to deal with mages, learn to hate bugs and bats, also spider pots

[rugged pilot]

he walked into my room and I instantly closed the door and ended his life

Like...

its not fair lmao.

[torn orchid]

@dapper bison dont dm me without asking first please

[rugged pilot]

he was pure and innocent, I didn't even oneshot him, he ran for the portal and tried to live with his single cracked bangle, and I took it from him

[twin delta]

report that to the mods yeah

[torn orchid]

also been banned and reinstated like i care what you think

[ebon idol]

"There is no feedback channels" they said, putting a suggestion into the feedback channel.

I love people.

Also demanding a free game.

[torn orchid]

lol

[south cliff]

Thanks, i will try but i'm 34 and the age of learning these things is long gone.
If only I've had a good internet connection when I was young. Damned italian internet.

[rugged pilot]

Its definetely harder than castle

but once you understand the enemies its more about living through the spawn intially and then pvp you encounter

[torn orchid]

bro im 54

[twin delta]

i was listing off the goblin caves tutorial

i'm also the same age as you mang

[south cliff]

I am on the apex of stinginess.

But I'll be really tempted to buy this game day one.

[torn orchid]

and from aus and we have the worst internet in the world

[rugged pilot]

is there a feedback channel?

[twin delta]

suggestion is feedback

[ebon idol]

This is the feedback section

What is feedback if not making suggestions to the devs

[rugged pilot]

I did put a suggestion for an actual feedback channel

[torn orchid]

think of it this way a bottle of coke not bought after a few weeks game paid for

[rugged pilot]

Ideally with a big slowmode for positive things, instead of what most suggestions are, negative and fixes for issues

[torn orchid]

drink the water and tomato juices

[south cliff]

Damn, now I'm actually forced to learn 😭😭😭

Thanks! This lift me up

[torn orchid]

u got this, gaming is made by us for us not for the kids and they learn from us

[rugged pilot]

You will believe this one day

[bleak harbor]

Since I can't actually MAKE this suggestion, because of a 1900 character limit, I am gonna drop it here, If you guys like it all I can hope is that it's echoes make it into the suggestions some day:

.suggest I've gotten 2 characters to level 20 both within a couple of days, I've gotten bored of the game already with only about 60 hours and I've been thinking of ways to improve long-term progression to keep things interesting and make players feel like they are progressing as they acquire new gear.

"The suggest boils down to adding tiers of dungeons and loot, and matching players based on those factors. For example when you start out you have tier 0 gear, you go into a level 1 dungeon where you can find tier 1, some tier 2, and occasionally tier 3 gear. Once you've acquired enough tier 2 gear, you can then attempt a level 2 dungeon.

Here is where the important part comes in though You can't simply add health and damage to existing monsters, it will feel redundant and get old very fast. The trick is to introduce new higher damage, higher health monsters and shift everything down in how they are used. Instead of having spiders spawners that spawn oneshot spiders, you spawn skeletons. They will have the same health and damage as previously, but they will go down much faster, making the players FEEL more powerful. Then you replace high tier monsters like wraiths and skeleton mages with even more powerful monsters that do more damage and have more health. You keep shifting the mobs down the hierarchy until what were once bosses are now the annoying 1shot mobs that come out of spawners.

To add to this feeling of power I also recommend you scale the dungeons physically. As you introduce new monsters and bosses make them physically larger, and in physically larger dungeons. Don't increase the complexity, increase the scale of rooms and hallways. Think multi-foot tall spiders, or 15 foot marble guardians statues that step off their pedestal to attack in massive hallways and atriums. Large ornate doors, chests which eventually get replaced by entire vault rooms with valuables in displays, Monsters that look as physically imposing as their damage and health make them feel.

You could even add this level system into the existing dungeon system. Every team starts out on level 1 and must fight through progressively harder and harder levels making matches not just a single 15 minute survival game, but a possibly multi-hour adventure run where parties could run into new groups of survivors every time they progress. Having to pick and choose what valuables and gear they hang onto, and balance that with what survival equipment they need to. It will also force them to decide whether to attempt to progress to a new level, or escape with the gear the have.

This game has a TON of potential. But so have many others before it. All I hope is that you make something that FEELS epic, rather than just another grind for gear."

[charred nacelle]

so what about making using a bow easier to hit targets but severly nerf their damage so they don't oneshot you from across the map?

[torn orchid]

#1048762118255673428 use .suggest and then that tldr thingy

[rugged pilot]

Its too big

[torn orchid]

maybe paste bin it ?

[rugged pilot]

If he cant make a suggestion that isn't an essay, its not a suggestion. You are just lecturing the devs

[white cliff]

That’s a lot to read.

[rose brook]

I would appreciate it if you voted positively for this suggestion if you can. I think it would improve the game and live up to its name "Dark and Darker", regards 🙌
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[torn orchid]

and its gone in about ten more message never to read by any ever again

[rugged pilot]

You simply want a different game entirely

You want World of Warcraft: Darker Days Ahead

[white cliff]

Yeah I’m certainly not for PVE.

Downvoted.

[rugged pilot]

I can't fathom why you think that upvoting a different game concept will ever take off, the devs are not making your game lmao

[charred nacelle]

you may not be for PvE but an added gamemode with harder PvE elements could be fun

[rugged pilot]

But not this WoW MMO gameplay

[bleak harbor]

It's a suggestion that I think deserves context for the reasoning behind it.

[rugged pilot]

You have written a long post describing what the game may already be in the future

[bleak harbor]

Isn't that what all suggestions are?

[charred nacelle]

have the devs posted a roadmap somewhere on what they want to add to the game?

[rugged pilot]

You do realise this is an early playtest and not like, releasing in a month?

[bleak harbor]

If it was releasing in a month I wouldn't have posted a suggestion for a progression system that would take months to develop and many more months to balance.

[naive thicket]

Yeah it’s not hard to be concise

[rugged pilot]

I just don't think its approriate to try and suggest intricate systems and game modes, the devs will manage that themselves

[torn orchid]

i dont think any suggestions will make it into the open release but will get added to a queue for the dev team to work on for future updates just my thoughts @bleak harbor

[rugged pilot]

There is a reason you aren't given 9000 pages to suggest

[torn orchid]

summarise and add a pste bin link to the essay form

^ this will help you get your idea on the books i think

[rugged pilot]

Or just, don't try and co-develop the game

They might be hiring Don't do it for free

[ebon idol]

#d-and-d-suggestions message I agree with this

Staffs feel like the most useless shit in existence.

Crystal swords at least deal magic damage when you hit something with them.

[torn orchid]

which one i click link and 3 are on screen

[bleak harbor]

Who are you to know what feedback specifically the devs might find useful in developing a game? It was a suggestion, as in an idea that I had that I think would make the game better, whether they spend developmental time on that is up to whether or not they agree with my reasoning. So I provided the context and reasoning for my suggestions, not just the idea alone.

[ebon idol]

They one that is linked will blink blue for a second.

[rugged pilot]

Yeah agreed, I have upvoted many of these

Spellbook for wizard should be startergear

Even if its not even +1 dmg

[hollow flicker]

Almost all of my suggestions from the last playtest were included. I think the devs do listen. Either that or they were going to do that anyway.

[rugged pilot]

or, no offence, you are suggesting very obvious and normal things

[torn orchid]

good to know ^

[ebon idol]

The staff as starter for wizards is fine, else they don't have a way to get out of a barrel start.

[torn orchid]

^ fists works

[ebon idol]

But higher quality staffs should be useable instead of being hot garbage.

[rugged pilot]

IMO a grey quarterstaff and spellbook would be much better for wizard

[torn orchid]

i wanna pick up barrels like dkong

[ebon idol]

Quaterstaff and book would work, yeah.

Makes sense.

[torn orchid]

and chuck em at mobs first suprise first strikes

[ebon idol]

Suggest barbarian skill

[rugged pilot]

Poor quality staff, melee is not needed mostly

[torn orchid]

hell no id give it to wiz as a levitate spell

[ebon idol]

Staffs need something going for them other than having a melee attack.

They cast slower, can bounce off and don't boost casting stats.

[rugged pilot]

Unstable staff, melee strike randomly teleports the thing hit somewhere in the dungeon

I don't want much removed but the basic staff needs to go

give cleric and wizard a book

[ebon idol]

Why not the wabbajack

[rugged pilot]

Hitting the walls on cast is pathetic

genuinely the most pathetic thing

[ebon idol]

Yee, or buff staff

[rugged pilot]

I don't know why staff even has collision during cast

can you bonk with it during cast if enemy head is close enough?

[torn orchid]

can the wiz fireball make player cremated if dealing a final blow

[ebon idol]

So you can bounce off walls

[south cliff]

I would have upvoted it if it weren't pve

[rugged pilot]

I would upvote it if it was in the scope of the game at all

but that is an MMO with this games "artstyle" on it

[ebon idol]

Would have upvoted but my thumbs up is broken

[hidden bane]

ADD A ROGUE ONLY GAMEMODE

[rose brook]

Could it be added that you can coincide with other groups on the same floor? that would also be PvP

[torn orchid]

what like lol flex matches no thanks

[ebon idol]

Ah yes, all caps, the way to know someone has a good idea... ah no, it is bad.

[hidden bane]

its a great idea

[echo gazelle]

Hewwo

Nya

[hidden bane]

prsion shanks/hide and seek

[torn orchid]

#1048762118255673428 use .suggest and then your idea if your serious

[buoyant matrix]

so many toxic people here

[ebon idol]

Indeed "Triggerer"

Indeed

[buoyant matrix]

😉

[rugged pilot]

Rick and Morty pfp, toxic, triggerer

[south cliff]

It's already rogue only. Every other class is actually a target for rogues.

[rugged pilot]

Hot take(?): silver coins

[ebon idol]

Are trash

[rugged pilot]

what do they add to the game, why do they exist

[ebon idol]

Yeah. I agree.

[rugged pilot]

why have them in the game at all other than to spend more time on the menu

[ebon idol]

Silver coins feel really annoying and arbitrary.

[buoyant matrix]

filler drop

[rugged pilot]

I'm half tempted to leave them and take a shitty bangle

because its money NOW

[ebon idol]

It is the only way to find like "a thirds of a gold" I guess.

[buoyant matrix]

its also worth more by far

[ebon idol]

Or from quests.

[rugged pilot]

it isn't though

a bangle is worth atleast one coin, if not several

[buoyant matrix]

what i said

bangle is worth far more

[rugged pilot]

Yeah

[buoyant matrix]

takes same space

[torn orchid]

atm true but already implemented if they do add discounted purchasing from merchant as player intelect skill grows as a percentage therefore giving silver an additional purpose

[ebon idol]

Might be they will eventually add discounts from quests or other meta progression that makes some things cost silver coins.

[rugged pilot]

3 coins is one gold, a bangle is probably worth like 3 gold

[torn orchid]

melted down for crafting items made from silver perhaps ?

[twin delta]

lol just met a friendly in the caves and had a good discussion while trying to clear out the dungeon with 'em

[rugged pilot]

the amount of time an incomplete stack of silver coins sits in my stash, its probably worth less than just buying and selling bangles

[sullen heart]

kinda cringe how everyone downvotes suggestions instantly

[rugged pilot]

We downvote bad suggestions

thats what the button is for

[ebon idol]

"Kinda cringe how everyone uses the functionality of the suggestion tab to downvote my suggestions."

[twin delta]

we're waiting in the ring for a second portal and i get asked 'what other games do you play?' and when i was about to answer i hear a 'thud' on their mic and they swing

[sullen heart]

That's not how it's being used Breeze

[ebon idol]

There, I translated

[twin delta]

which kills me

[torn orchid]

ive voted probably fair across all choices on suggestions so far

[twin delta]

that was hilarious

[sullen heart]

All downvotes on my suggestion don't know the difference of the Plateup discord but they downvoted it because it's a bad suggestion?

[rugged pilot]

link your suggestion

I will tell you why its bad

[sullen heart]

Their LFG chat lets you click a button to create a new room instead of joining random rooms. If you're host, you have the ability to kick people and when you leave the room is deleted and someone else can create a room

#d-and-d-suggestions message

The people downvoting it don't know that feature even exists

[rugged pilot]

Can you take a look at the PlateUp discord (the game that looks like a childrens mobile game) and just copy everything they're doing because they're in 2023 with their discord setup and this lfg chat and voice channels are in 2015

You are just slandering another discord?

[torn orchid]

sounds like a discord admin mod suggestion

[sullen heart]

No, i'm slandering this discord.

[sullen heart]

yes

[rugged pilot]

So who cares about you then?

[sullen heart]

It's to the benefit of everyone to have the LFG section of this discord be like that one

[rugged pilot]

Actively shitting on the floor and asking why people say it stinks

because it does stink

[sullen heart]

It's literally a direct improvement with an example, it doesn't lack criticism nor does it lack how to fix it

[rugged pilot]

who

cares

[sullen heart]

Again, you straight up do not even understand the change

[rugged pilot]

I don't care about the change, I'm gonna press thumbs down

[torn orchid]

i use a different discord for my lfg and have never used official servers for this cause gamer talk habits would break this discord rules

[sullen heart]

Yea this game's going to shit if everyone's like this Breeze fella. No one seems to care about hackers either

[rugged pilot]

"The games gonna suck because one guy in the random channel says he doesn't care about my ADHD"

[sullen heart]

Also the LFG for this server is completely trash. Anyone who's recruiting for a specific type of content takes 30 minutes to find a player because random people keep joining

[sullen heart]

Dude you're literally actively trying to make the game worse, you're a parasite. look inwards

[rugged pilot]

Its honestly not hard to just say LFG specific content, DM me

[torn orchid]

why use the discord to lfg when the in game has this in 2 places already, thats too many alt tab presses imo but its just an opinon

[sullen heart]

It's honestly not hard to just not improve the game at all and play a different game.

[rugged pilot]

Off you go then matey

Stop causing problems

[sullen heart]

Super cringe seeing someone like you gatekeep the suggestion discussion

Bet you're here all day

[tepid spoke]

what is even going on?

i look away and an argument springs?

[rugged pilot]

Anybody that is discussing things actually has fun here lmao

[torn orchid]

oits not a bad suggestion just i dont share that same take on it

[twin delta]

quality control is a very important part of development

for one

[torn orchid]

back to pirates ?

and rum

[rugged pilot]

yes please, give me the pirate

[torn orchid]

i wanna use muskets

[rugged pilot]

Dwarf Pirate getting heals and extra strength from rum

One handed pickaxe + flintlock pistol

[torn orchid]

omg take my money "dwarf

[ebon idol]

I love "nerf x, seems broken" suggestions. You know they just died to it.

[rugged pilot]

Yeah

The worst is the lazy suggestion

[torn orchid]

yeah cleric walks too fast ranger need a + 4% increase

[rugged pilot]

"Give this Tarkov style x"

no, this isn't tarkov

[ebon idol]

Give this Tarkov style firearms

[torn orchid]

its Darkov

[rugged pilot]

Dark & Darkov blyat

[hard fjord]

I would laugh if a wizard shot someone

[ebon idol]

@pastel wigeon Happens to me as well, but we just got to get good.

[pastel wigeon]

they dont really need to bounce on the floor

[ebon idol]

I cast... "GUN"

[rugged pilot]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Big yes

[bright wind]

Have they said anything about a post match lobby, or atleast some form of damage taken/given from each player or source etc. Some kind of match run down or stat page at all?

[torn orchid]

what if you could mate with other players in an attempt to create a cross class

[ebon idol]

Yeah, that torch thing happens to me as well.

[rugged pilot]

horny

[torn orchid]

nagative im asexual

but like she hers

[twin delta]

once upon a time, there was a fighter and a rogue

[torn orchid]

as companions

[twin delta]

and they loved each other very much

then they had a kid and that kid was ranger

[torn orchid]

and they made pirates

[twin delta]

the end

[rugged pilot]

I'm a(tack)ing you phsyically

[ebon idol]

Wouldn't that be in theory the swashbuckler class?

Ranger is more like druid and fighter.

[torn orchid]

^

[ebon idol]

If druids ever get added.

[rugged pilot]

Swashbuckler is stinky

Just sword class, boring

[twin delta]

man pathfinder has really ruined anyone's ability to understand that class archetype huh

[ebon idol]

That would be rad. You turn a corner and a sabertooth comes at you.

[twin delta]

swashbuckler is rogue

it's the duelist class

[rugged pilot]

Legit just rogue with a sword

[torn orchid]

i thought rogue was ninjitsu

[twin delta]

ranger is wilderness, cabin guy, lumberjack

[ebon idol]

No, that is the ninja.

[torn orchid]

defs asian in trait

[rugged pilot]

Wait till you are in the caves with my Dwarf Alchemist

[ebon idol]

ranger is Aragorn from that one old movie.

[rugged pilot]

No chance you survive

CHEAP AF book from my alchemist

[twin delta]

aragorn is the quintissential ranger

meanwhile gandalf is the quintissential conman fighter

[ebon idol]

True.

Can he even cast spells?

[twin delta]

he literally only casts low level spells

[rugged pilot]

Green spellbook with +4magical damage +3 additional magic damage 49g

[twin delta]

which are obtainable by fighters as a subclass

[ebon idol]

The economy is in shambles.

[rugged pilot]

from merchant tho

thats strong AF

[ebon idol]

Lol

[pastel wigeon]

wizards are broke

[twin delta]

ah so you can flip that for quick

like damn

[rugged pilot]

yeah

[ebon idol]

You know what an auction house would also fix?

[pastel wigeon]

i gave up on trying to sell anything in the wizard tower

[rugged pilot]

Imm gonna flip it

[ebon idol]

As a cleric I always buy my plate gear in the fighter barracks.

They sell magic equip dirt cheap because they think it is bad for fighters.

[torn orchid]

lol

[ebon idol]

Plate with +2 will and +2 knowledge for 50G don't mind if I do

[torn orchid]

great idea

V

[spice cave]

I don't think the auction house will fix much, if anything. People will still post the items for what gold they want for it, and if it's a bid-based system, people just won't use it or make the bid extremely close to the buyout price.

[ebon idol]

It is easier to look up what a piece you want to sell is worth.

[torn orchid]

thats not even bad since its on a timer of availablitity from merchant,

[ebon idol]

Less people selling for dirt cheap because they can't get the price and don't want to spend 1 hour selling shit.

[spice cave]

You're not wrong, but then you're making an economy meta. Which noone wants.

The whole point of the current system is that you decide what the item is worth to you, and vice versa.

[ebon idol]

I want that. I want meta items to cost a lot.

[torn orchid]

you cant stop economy meta if the game allows players to trade, its just how economies work

[pastel wigeon]

supply and demand dictates prices regardless

[twin delta]

actually, economy meta only requires currency

[ebon idol]

Yeah, and when they are meta, more people will want it, so demand will rise.

[pastel wigeon]

yea

[twin delta]

if it was trade item for item then there wouldn't be an economy, it's be a bartering

[torn orchid]

i like the item for item barter idea

[pastel wigeon]

with a bartering system there is always a base economic value to common items

[spice cave]

Yes, but with the current system, you aren't making the community-decided price readily available, allowing for extensive overcharging and undercharging.

[torn orchid]

as an addon

[ebon idol]

But if they just want to play more and you need 1 hour to find someone to buy instead of putting in 10 seconds to put it up in the auction house, then yeah, it will get cheaper.

[pastel wigeon]

just like diablo 2. no one used gold to trade in diablo

they had to use items

[buoyant matrix]

none of you seem to have any experience with poe trade meta, you'd learn a lot there

[pastel wigeon]

but a meta was established anyway

[ebon idol]

I already see people trade for candy, so ya know.

Even without gold, there would be a trade currency.

[pastel wigeon]

ye

[tepid spoke]

who needs to trade when you can just get it yourself smh

[torn orchid]

candy is the meta right now since its the only merchant currency for purps

[ebon idol]

Trade is all that is needed to make a "trade meta"

It is just how trading works.

It is human.

[ionic anchor]

Make Throwing knives a reloadable offhand to give rogues some sort of range to compete with. or perhaps throwing stars

[twin delta]

not true. economic value to common items means they're able to be equated to a standardized unit. when you remove the standardized unit you instead get stuff like three bandages being worth more to someone who's injured than someone who's at full health

[torn orchid]

heart candys made consumable for skill lvling, thoughts ?

[pastel wigeon]

#1048762118255673428

[twin delta]

heart candies are for the holiday

so no, not a good idea imo

[pastel wigeon]

@twin delta it is true

[ebon idol]

What does that even mean.

[spice cave]

Candies are an event item anyways. No point.

[ebon idol]

What is skill leveling.

[pastel wigeon]

something will replace "currency"

[twin delta]

either training or gaining levels

[torn orchid]

like in pokemon

[twin delta]

yeah, it's called bartering

[pastel wigeon]

in diablo 2 it was a ring that gave +1 to all skills

of all things

[twin delta]

... a high demand item doesn't replace currency gloom

[pastel wigeon]

yes it does

[spice cave]

I personally like the bartering in this game. Inventory full, gear flipped, I'm goddamn rich.

[ebon idol]

"A currency is a standardization of an exchange good in any form"

[pastel wigeon]

the value of every item was measured in "SOJs" (stone of jordan)

[hollow flicker]

gold is still very useful

[ebon idol]

Everything can be a currency if everyone agrees.

[hollow flicker]

you can't buy potions and bandages with candy

[twin delta]

you're talking about the statistical value gloom

[spice cave]

Just look at fallout.

[twin delta]

sheesh

[pastel wigeon]

no im not

[spice cave]

Fuckin' bottle caps.

[twin delta]

yes you are. that's why items would be compared to the soj

[pastel wigeon]

they would be bought and sold using SOJs as currency

[twin delta]

it was for min-maxing and optimizing dps usually

[ebon idol]

But I do think that auction house would result in higher prices for meta items while dropping prices for non meta items.

[spice cave]

haha chaos orb go brr

[pastel wigeon]

if gold didn't exist in DaD then something would be used in its place

[ebon idol]

Also an auction house would make it easier to trade outside of 50g steps.

[pastel wigeon]

or candys or w/e

[twin delta]

... yeah, bartering

[pastel wigeon]

one specific item

[twin delta]

it'd just be item trade

[spice cave]

The main killer of the current economy system is the 15 gold fee. It huuuurts. Things that should only be 30 gold are now 45 gold and ect.

[pastel wigeon]

there would never be a chaotic "bartering" system without a common currency

[twin delta]

only problem with a proper bartering is i've yet to see a good market npc that can do it well

[mystic loom]

This game is falsely banning people for no reason great game and you make a ticket to wait days just for them to say you are cheating actually pathetic support system. How about fix that before anything else because everything else is irrelevant when your game is banned mass amount of players who invest hours into the game.

[pastel wigeon]

thats just not how it works sorry

[twin delta]

it really is just easier script wise to make it currency based

[torn orchid]

how hard do you think it would be to lock an item to the correct listed item to prevent greys being used to scam ?

[ebon idol]

It would also fix the read spam and hope you are the first one they click ok on.

[torn orchid]

like an escrow

[ebon idol]

Because if you are the first to request trade, you are not always the one they pick since new trade requests pop on top of old ones.

[twin delta]

i don't understand what you're asking for hanksy

[ebon idol]

Which makes it double frustrating to trade.

[twin delta]

agreed

[pastel wigeon]

@long falcon if you don't want 6k of gold in your stash then buy some candies

[spice cave]

Convert your gold into a more valuable currency

[ebon idol]

What is the exchange course? 1:20 I heard.

[pastel wigeon]

1:20 holds up

[torn orchid]

ok so ive seen people complaining about trade scams happeing with lets say a blue sword but as the sale is made and even tho there is 2 confirm setting they use an escrow to lock in the geuine item in place for buyers so the sellers just cant scam by swaparooing items last second

[ebon idol]

Or buy lockpicks.

[spice cave]

And then convert your candy into high quality gear that is then worth even more

[ebon idol]

They seem to be stable at 40g

[ebon idol]

Yeah, in theory you can make money by just trading.

[torn orchid]

i was paying 30 each for lock picks

[spice cave]

I like to convert my gold into explosion bottles

They're usually pretty valuable and always in demand

[ebon idol]

Oh? Lockpick value drop? Investors seething.

[long falcon]

Right but im saying to add chest XD it make sense

[buoyant matrix]

i want to do a run with a full inventory of explosion bottles and just rain hell on everyone

[ebon idol]

"Everything is a currency"

[spice cave]

I did that last playtest

Best time of my life

[long falcon]

tarkov did the inventory system the best in any games i played they should do the same with a twist on it

[buoyant matrix]

of your life? damn man times are hard eh

[spice cave]

A rogue popping out of stealth and just yeeting a shitton of bottles at people

[pastel wigeon]

@long falcon There's an argument against giving people "too much" storage space because it incentivizes them to trade their gear

[spice cave]

It was great

[torn orchid]

and a closet for armor

[ebon idol]

Yeah, they will just be hoarding instead of trading stuff.

[long falcon]

gloom the chest take up room as well

you just store more but evenuatully have to sell

[spice cave]

Yes but the whole point is that the bags take up more room

[ebon idol]

Best case you have room for like 2 backup gears, and then some valuables for trading.

[long falcon]

on top of that make chest really really rare to find

and cant be sold

ez fix

[pastel wigeon]

not a bad idea

[spice cave]

So that you trade

[torn orchid]

only dropped by boss mobs

[long falcon]

Yep

[ebon idol]

I am pretty sure they will add more space eventually.

I am not sure if I like it.

[long falcon]

The only way to get it is to find it or trade it inthe auction

[spice cave]

They said Resourcefulness will eventually tie into inventory space.

Not sure about how, but.

[ebon idol]

I think that is only ingame.

[torn orchid]

or dropped component that you need to collect to craft the chest and melt silver coins as a component for the chest craft

[long falcon]

yep

[ebon idol]

Since we already have two "pockets" at the bottom of inventory that we can't use yet.

[spice cave]

Yes but still, imagine the metashift for resourcefulness being inventory slots.

It'll actually become a valuable stat

[pastel wigeon]

true

[ebon idol]

"LFG pack mule have 30 res"

[spice cave]

Lol

[torn orchid]

id be a donkey for a run for a price

[spice cave]

But I more mean balancing between damage stats and resourcefulness.

[torn orchid]

25%take of all profits im carrying

[pastel wigeon]

it's like protecting eve online transport ships from pirates all over again

[long falcon]

ima eat and if some of you wanna catch a dugeon

let me know

[torn orchid]

if i die its on them for not protecting the loot

[ebon idol]

Be the donkey, extract while they are fighting, 100% profit.

[long falcon]

im trying to do a boss

[pastel wigeon]

devilish

[spice cave]

PPFFFF. Goddamn con artist

[torn orchid]

yes and karma can be applied for dogging the bois

[ebon idol]

Exactly.

It isn't illegal, but you rep will suffer.

[pastel wigeon]

rep will be tradable.

when people start caring about it

[torn orchid]

i mean its like a heist crew offing members for a bigger cut

[pastel wigeon]

but that also leaves room for more scamming

[spice cave]

You can only carry 1 rep at a time.

[ebon idol]

"Nonono, I kill the bus driver"

[spice cave]

And you have to extract from multiple dungeons to get it back.

[pastel wigeon]

you can hold 1 rep which means you can sell that rep

[torn orchid]

^ thats why id be forced to play solos or lame pve only dungeons

[ebon idol]

I am pretty sure you can't sell reputation.

[spice cave]

Use your money to mass downvote someone into oblivion. This is true profit.

[pastel wigeon]

an arrangement would be made

[spice cave]

No, you pay someone to use their rep on someone.

[ebon idol]

Ah, well, you first would have to do a dungeon with them though.

[torn orchid]

^ proper contracts drawn up between players in dm mode

[ebon idol]

And i am ok with that arrangement then.

[pastel wigeon]

another mmo example, maplestory. there was a reputation system there and people would sell it daily

[torn orchid]

and game handles the payouts

[rugged pilot]

Flipped the +7 damage spellbook from Merchant

[spice cave]

True. Still, though, the thought of paying gold to downvote a man into oblivion is hilarious.

[rugged pilot]

Cost 50, made 150

[ebon idol]

Nice.

[rugged pilot]

[ebon idol]

Free money

[torn orchid]

untill the merchant reset

[rugged pilot]

Well, 135 because of trader price

[ebon idol]

Still more honourable than rogues selling me gray templar armor for 50g

[spice cave]

Found a maul earlier. 5 Flat physical, 6 Phys power, and 4% Armor pen.

[rugged pilot]

I got about 12 trade offers that instantly declined 150g

didnt talk, just left the room

[rugged pilot]

[ebon idol]

A war maul?

[torn orchid]

morning staff

[spice cave]

I whackydoo a barbarian into nonexistence with it

[rugged pilot]

Tempted to try and buy a crystal sword and flip it

but thats risky

from goblin

[spice cave]

People say it's bad

[storm iris]

you should toatally be able to buy lock picks

[ebon idol]

Literally gambling, ofc it is bad.

[rugged pilot]

Its bad because it hits wall on cast

[spice cave]

I say 'haha screw this rogue in particular' and smack him with it

[rugged pilot]

but thats all

[ebon idol]

Disagree. Lockpicks should only be found.

However, there are some places where they are spawning 100%

[rugged pilot]

Rogue should spawn with one lockpick that they can sell to the woodsman for 1g

[spice cave]

I did the forbidden technique.

[ebon idol]

Rogue spawning with a lockpick that gives 0g would be fine.

And you can't sell or put it in stash.

[spice cave]

While a man was opening a blue portal, I snuck up on him, and used pickpocket.

[rugged pilot]

Lmao

[ebon idol]

Forbidden teaming tactic.

[spice cave]

Consequently, I stole an explosion bottle from his bag.

I hit him with it and he died.

[rugged pilot]

noooooooo

[ebon idol]

"I am friendly, please... open this portal"

[rugged pilot]

hoisted on his own petard

[spice cave]

I was sneaking behind him in hide.

[rugged pilot]

[spice cave]

While he was opening the portal.

[rugged pilot]

Rogues: exist

[ebon idol]

I know, but stealing from mates in solo while teaming is pretty funny.

[rugged pilot]

People: All loot gone on extract

[spice cave]

I ended that mans career with his own bottle.

[rugged pilot]

Rogues:

[spice cave]

Never again will I shittalk pickpocket.

It is forever my best friend.

[rugged pilot]

I wonder if pickpocket can take enemy souls

[spice cave]

No, because it steals from the inventory, not the pockets... Despite being called pickpocket.

[rugged pilot]

if they put it in inventory though

[ebon idol]

"Please bring back that one bug I was using" #d-and-d-suggestions message

[rugged pilot]

Let me abuse the bug please

I want to exploit

[torn orchid]

👎🏾

[rugged pilot]

I'm so sorry to YoloRage for using his emoji to be a scumbag

[spice cave]

On another note, I got hit by a chain lightning, and it killed both of the enemy players I was fighting and only hurt me.

[rugged pilot]

but its the emoji I use when being a scumbag

[ebon idol]

Yolorogue is a scumbag, we all know it.

[rugged pilot]

Yes

[ebon idol]

And he is happy with it.

[rugged pilot]

Any time I see a player in goblin caves that isn't aware of me in plate boots holding a torch across the room

[torn orchid]

[spice cave]

Any time there's a chandelier in a room I can get up on

[rugged pilot]

[meager lichen]

65000+ PEOPLE ONLINE AND THESE GENIUS DEV ADMIN OR WHOEVER HAVE ONLY 100 PARTY FOR CHAT I ASK WHY!!!!!!!

[spice cave]

Because.

[ebon idol]

Ingame voice exists.

Use it.

[rugged pilot]

Try writing it in english first

[ebon idol]

There is even "party only"

[torn orchid]

in game has lfg methods

with party only voice coms

[ebon idol]

Ingame has lfg, ingame has voice chat, ingame has voice chat only party option

Being in discord doesn't give you an advantage, use game.

[spice cave]

So, who else plays fighter specifically because weapon mastery lets you throw both throwing knives and axes?

[torn orchid]

infact discord is a resource hog at the best of times

[rugged pilot]

I play fighter because I want to use everything

You cant say no

I use it

[ebon idol]

Which is by the way extremely smart and I love that. I hate it when games are like "Uhh, there is ingame voice but everyone hears it" like that is just begging people to use another system.

[spice cave]

I just like throwing things at people

[pastel wigeon]

for me, its the crossbow

[spice cave]

I have to use Pavise and Longsword

[rugged pilot]

Discord has better voice quality

but thats all

[torn orchid]

time to reinstall teamspeak as it is the superior coms utility codec

[hard fjord]

Fighter is honestly the best

[spice cave]

Rogue is the best.

[hard fjord]

No

[ebon idol]

That is fair.

[spice cave]

Mobility is just unmatched.

[celest torrent]

Barb is best

[hard fjord]

💀

[ebon idol]

suggest a fighter nerf.

See what happens.

[white cliff]

If we’re talking strictly damage output for pvp it’s barb.

[spice cave]

Instead of getting nerfa

[white cliff]

75% armor pen.

[hard fjord]

That would be silly

[white cliff]

Hard to outmatch.

[ebon idol]

Giving a straight answer to what class is "best" somehow highly depends on the person that died to it recently.

[hard fjord]

Fighter is so good because it is a Jack of all trades

[pastel wigeon]

that's why I go nekkid fighter

[hard fjord]

Which makes it very good

[hard fjord]

Lol

[ebon idol]

Fighter is a jack of all trades, but master of none.

[hard fjord]

Tbh I haven’t died to a fighter in a bit

[spice cave]

Instead, can we get buffs to defense stats on upper rarity items across the board? Like Phys Prot % and flat defense bonus is hot garbage compared to flat damage and true damage

[hard fjord]

But often times better than a master of one

You can’t forget that part

[spice cave]

For every point of damage a rare item gets on a roll, there should be like 2-3 defense

[ebon idol]

Ranger outranges you, cleric out heals you, barb out melees you, rogue outspeeds you.

Fighter is playable because they have all their options to change up strategies.

[hard fjord]

The good thing about it

[spice cave]

So instead of getting 3 Physical Power, you would instead get 9 Armor rating, or like 9% Phys Protect

[white cliff]

You can outrange barb with halberd.

[hard fjord]

Is they can counter multiple enemies

[ebon idol]

It makes them good in solo.

[hard fjord]

Like you can shoot bows

[white cliff]

We run pocket fighter and I can out heal most damage.

[hard fjord]

Or go into melee

[ebon idol]

You can outrange barb with a bow.

As fighter.

[hard fjord]

Very true

[white cliff]

Also pavice makes fighter invaluable.

[spice cave]

Rogue can outdps a ranged fighter with throwing knives.

[ebon idol]

Lol

True.

[white cliff]

Anything’s possible in white gear I suppose.

[spice cave]

Since all of his skills can proc on a throwing knife

[hard fjord]

With rouge you just stab them

Or just dodge the knife

[jovial swan]

Okay guys, hear me out on this.

[spice cave]

He literally just throws knives at you.

[ebon idol]

Yeah, ambush backstab weakpoint throwing knife is funny.

[spice cave]

Dude has an inventory full of knives.

[hard fjord]

A good solution

[spice cave]

The pain of fighting rogues in high roller.

[hard fjord]

Shoot them in the head

[ebon idol]

But seriously, I don't think fighter is "the best" I think they have the most options. Which is good for players that like to be a jack of all trades. Fighters lack the ability to be sneaky though. You hear them "sneaking up" from half the dungeon away.

[spice cave]

Naked fighters just die to rangers.

[white cliff]

…

[ebon idol]

Weird, right.

I noticed that too.

[twin delta]

they're gear dependent for a reason

[hard fjord]

Wow people with basic stuff die?

[pastel wigeon]

im not having that problem in the mines

but im not running into any good rangers

[twin delta]

i'm running into some good rangers but i have a better sense of blocking arrows

[pastel wigeon]

sprinting does a lot

[ebon idol]

You are running? sad cleric noises

[white cliff]

Sprint is just about as good as haste barb.

[twin delta]

once you block their triple shot in full they tend to go 'oh crap' and scram

[hard fjord]

You can also just dodge

[twin delta]

sprint lets you fully clear floor spikes real easy too

[ebon idol]

"Just dodge" is a criticism I only take for PvE encounters.

[spice cave]

I just feel like the fighters adaptability is what makes people like it, but it's not specialized unless you play it without weapon mastery.

[twin delta]

so a ranger who thinks they have the advantage just 'cause a trap is in front of them is a fool

[hard fjord]

Well I mean

You can move your head

[pastel wigeon]

https://files.catbox.moe/idfct8.mp4

[hard fjord]

Crouch behind stuff

[gaunt cargo]

After playing all classes to 20, then spending 3 or 4k to do some decent gear runs on each, fighter feels a bit too good at almost everything. I think he needs to be brought back in line with the other classes to excel only in certain situations, not almost all situations.

[hard fjord]

Then shoot them

[spice cave]

You can, but someone who's not a complete moron is still going to hit you.

[hard fjord]

However

[ebon idol]

Fighters are also very weak to wizards.

[hard fjord]

Most people are pretty dumb

[ebon idol]

Like, laughably so.

So that is fine.

[spice cave]

You talk as if the only people you face are people who would be two-star in Hunt.

[hard fjord]

Good time to@use a bow

[ebon idol]

Yeah, plays, counterplays. It is how it works.

[hard fjord]

💀

[ebon idol]

I don't know hunt.

[hard fjord]

I wish they would make wizard better tbh

[ebon idol]

[spice cave]

There's just so much stuff you just can't do anything about in this game.

[turbid pecan]

Like what?

[twin delta]

man, the block hitbox on the longsword is so bad

[spice cave]

Clerics Unblockable Smite, Getting deleted by a throwing knife that removed 80% of your HP because the rogue combined all his perks. Getting hit by chain lightning around a corner. Getting deleted by a fighter in purple gear because his halber does 200 damage on a headshot.

[twin delta]

it's only active near the base at the hand

[pastel wigeon]

Just like real life

[ebon idol]

*Judgement, smite is blockable

[onyx timber]

can rouge role magic damage an it work on posion weapon

[pastel wigeon]

yes

[ebon idol]

Yeah, should work

[spice cave]

Yes, but it got a nerf.

[turbid pecan]

Throwing knives can be blocked

[spice cave]

It doesn't stack that well anymore.

[twin delta]

+magic damage does work on poison weapon

[spice cave]

I'm not assuming you blocked the knife. I'm saying that some stuff just does way too much damage in a single hit.

[onyx timber]

so what are the stats to look for on rouge

[twin delta]

shields do have a block value that only refreshes when you drop the shield btw

[turbid pecan]

Well that’s the point honestly if the time to kill was slow as fuck you would never kill anyone

[twin delta]

tested it with a skeleton knight and a pavise a couple of days ago

[spice cave]

Yes, but getting hit once and dying is too fast.

[turbid pecan]

Bc of the heals from cleric it’s just self heals like food on ranger or med pits

They have better loot and you have bad loot that’s just how it work

[twin delta]

btw what was the nerf to victory swing

was it the amount healed or the damage boost

[turbid pecan]

And what are you playing what character

[teal badger]

skill issue

[spice cave]

What I'm talking about is that the damage bonuses are too high and the defense bonuses are too low

[turbid pecan]

Bc you aren’t dying in 1 but playing barb

[twin delta]

defense scaling is weaker than damage yes

[onyx timber]

how is Solo wiz

[spice cave]

Noone wants Armor Rating because the values are too low to make a difference

[ebon idol]

True.

[spice cave]

And Phys Def % is too low to make a difference, either.

[jovial swan]

[The Ranger]

Buff: Added a new Perk called Fire Arrow, which ignites the arrow's tip into flames after being charged for 1 second after maximum. This flame deals 2 burn damage every second for 8 seconds.
Buff: Crossbow Mastery damage modifier increased from 5% to 15%.
Buff: Crossbow Mastery now changes the animation of the Windlass Crossbow reload to allow you to move while reloading it.
Nerf: Kinesthesia movement speed modifier reduced from 10% to 7%.
Nerf: Sharpshooter headshot modifier reduced from 15% to 8%.
Nerf: Spear Proficiency no longer increases physical strength.
Nerf: Field Rations HP recovery reduced from 25 to 15.
Nerf: Quick Fire duration reduced from 8 seconds to 6 seconds.
Nerf: Quickshot now reduces arrow damage to 75% and 50% for the subsequent arrows.
Nerf: Quickshot now has an increased cooldown of 4 seconds per arrow missed.
Nerf: Health reduced from 90 to 80.
Nerf: Nimble Hands has been removed.

I feel like this would be a suitable series of changes for what is arguably the best class in the game at the moment. And even with these, I feel like they'd still be a top 3 class.

[ebon idol]

If an arrow deal 180 damage on head, your armor doesn't matter.

[jovial swan]

How would you feel about these changes?

[turbid pecan]

Ranger is so easy to deal with though

[spice cave]

I want Projectile Defense % to be a possible stat roll on magical items.

[ebon idol]

... but it is?

You can get Projectile defence on magical items.

I have a ring with -5%

[spice cave]

I guess I just never get it, then.

[jovial swan]

Also how the hell do we have Crossbow Mastery giving us increased movement speed on reload when we quite literally have ONE crossbow at the moment that it works with?

[turbid pecan]

Throwing knives/axes
shields
Rogue invis
And just stabbing them in the face bc they are slow😂

[ebon idol]

There are two actually.

[turbid pecan]

All the ways to deal with ranger

[ebon idol]

Ah, that it works one.

True.

[spice cave]

Because it works with that one crossbow and that's all it needs to work with.

[jovial swan]

Actually wait, let me go back on that for a moment.

That perk is crap.

[ebon idol]

I do agree that they should add some skill that works with crossbow.

Maybe something like "penetrating shot" That can shoot through a shield.

[spice cave]

I want them to add the box-fed arbalest.

[jovial swan]

There we go.

[ebon idol]

Maybe crossbow archer will be counter to Pavise that they are usually useless against.

[twin delta]

i main ranger and none of these are good nerfs

[turbid pecan]

Like that is a crap ton of nerds for a character that gets 1 tapped by a halberd

[twin delta]

this is a salty string of nerfs

[spice cave]

Uh, no. Pavises are specifically designed to take crossbow bolts.

[turbid pecan]

Nerfs

[spice cave]

They were primarily used by crossbowmen for this reason.

[ebon idol]

In reality, yes.

[twin delta]

removing the strength gain when using a spear is also real dumb

[ebon idol]

In this game, we got wizards flinging fireballs.

[jovial swan]

Therein lies the problem, though: How do you get to them? You're going to be at a range disadvantage.

[spice cave]

Now, lets talk about the barbarian getting throwing javs, maybe?

[eternal spade]

SUGGESTIONS

[twin delta]

if you don't have the +10 the spear has less dps than pre-buffed rapier

[ebon idol]

[spice cave]

Wait, wait.

[turbid pecan]

Not really considering every class can run the same speed as them and reload gives a ton of slowness

[jovial swan]

A good compensation for its range.

[spice cave]

Ranger with Throwing Javs and subsequent perks for throwing.

[onyx timber]

does the stealth perk also work on invis pots?

[twin delta]

it's compensation is the slow attack speed vulgun

[ebon idol]

No

[jovial swan]

Have you SEEN people poking with it regardless?

[ebon idol]

You know what I think could help with attack vs armor thing?

[twin delta]

yes, because people don't know how to sidestep

[ebon idol]

Buff armor, but give different weapons innate armor pen.

[turbid pecan]

It just seems weird that a character that isn’t even near the top of the leaderboards is getting the biggest nerfs bc you can’t dodge or use a shield

[ebon idol]

It would also buff less used weapons if they have better armor pen then others.

[jovial swan]

Bro, people DO know to side step, but people who use spears (like me) know how to aim before the hit.

[twin delta]

if i'm fighting a competent melee person with a spear, i'm gonna lose once they've advanced past that first stab

[spice cave]

Make it so that bladed weapons are less effective against plate armors.

[ebon idol]

Like arming sword vs falcion

Or crossbow vs bow

[twin delta]

'cause the block with the spear is shit and can't block most swings in the game

[onyx timber]

who is getting nerfed?

[ebon idol]

Nobody

[pastel wigeon]

side stepping is less effective if you sweep your attacks horizontally

[ebon idol]

We are just discussing suggestions.

[pastel wigeon]

even if it is a stabbing animation

[twin delta]

... gloom please keep up we're talking about spears

[pastel wigeon]

...yeah I main spears.

[twin delta]

then you understand sweeping isn't a thing

[pastel wigeon]

it is

[spice cave]

I want a goddamn Billhook. A polarm that can hit idiots over a shield but also can't stab.

[jovial swan]

It actually is, Bev.

[turbid pecan]

It is on a combo

[twin delta]

you get two stabs and an overhead then a sweep right?

[pastel wigeon]

even the first attack of m1 which is a stab

[jovial swan]

I've actually swept with a damn DAGGER.

[pastel wigeon]

you can sweep it

and hit two targets in the head

[eternal spade]

SIGGESTION:
CLERIC; Exclusive Primary Weapon: Flail Mace.
Has a triple animation attack using a "whip-like" arm action that whip the flail 3 times at the target. With each successful impact, damage is increased by 5% on next hit up to max 10%. Causes bleeding status effect if hit with all three impacts that deals 15% health over 5 seconds.

[ebon idol]

Shield goes up.

[twin delta]

oh you're talking about hitbox sweeping

[jovial swan]

I managed to hit someone beside another person with Rogue's default dagger in a tavern and was like, "The hell?"

[pastel wigeon]

ya

[twin delta]

okay that's different

[pastel wigeon]

yes but it prevents sidestepping

[twin delta]

no, it just makes it harder

[spice cave]

Shield may go up, but with the way shields work, if a part of the weapon touches your character, you still take damage.

[pastel wigeon]

okey

[turbid pecan]

Doesn’t prevent using a shield

[spice cave]

The curved blade is specialized for that purpose.

[twin delta]

commonly see someone sidestep into a duck, or they look down while sidestepping if the stab was looking to be at head height

[turbid pecan]

And just learn how to use a shield better bc I RARELY die to rogue bc of them being so weak

[twin delta]

a good rogue stabs you in the legs when you block high

[jovial swan]

Speaking of Rogue...

[distant fern]

Do all the portals in the goblin dungeon spawn in the troll room??????? I waited for portaals at end of circle and NONE SPAWNED THIS MAIN FLOOR?????? https://prnt.sc/xD6quniAEaDd

[turbid pecan]

A good fighter can block low and just kill a stupid rogue bc they are weak

[twin delta]

goblin cave has a fixed exit portal that opens up in the second to last ring's time

[ebon idol]

They can, but the spawns are randomly inside the circle.

[spice cave]

A good rogue throws explosion bottles at an idiot with a shield.

[twin delta]

portals spawn inside the ring every time iirc

[ebon idol]

If they all spawn in the troll room, tough luck.

[turbid pecan]

A bit idiot can avoid a stupid bottle lol

[twin delta]

oh right, they can totally spawn in the troll room

[onyx timber]

is there a way to toggle crouch or only hold

[ebon idol]

Ah yes, the eternal "play counterplay" debate.

[twin delta]

if someone opens the door then portals tend to prioritize it

nope, only hold

[ebon idol]

Actually, I have an everything proof shield

[distant fern]

well 3 portals didnt spawn main floor. me and another played was waiting for them, we died

[turbid pecan]

Like everything in the game has a counter basically other than barbs speed rush thag 1 taps

[twin delta]

there is a counter

[ebon idol]

Just block

[spice cave]

You can plan for every occasion, but when the chips are on the table, you might just bite the floor.

[twin delta]

ranged attacks, running away unarmed, baiting into a bear trap, blocking

[turbid pecan]

True you right

[ebon idol]

Everything has a counter. Except cleric.

Nerf pls

[turbid pecan]

Lol

[twin delta]

learned how to block a steroid barb using a spear block, so it's a valid option

[spice cave]

Cleric counter is staying further than ten feet away

He has no ranged option other than explosion bottle

[turbid pecan]

Ya u just gotta hope little barb friend doesn’t have a wizard friend giving him head while he runs through a door

[ebon idol]

Slowly walk backwards. Clerics weeping.

Like, that is not even a joke.

Clerics are slow and have no ranged option.

[twin delta]

if they have bless they've got decent movement speed but beyond that yeah not a threat at a distance

[spice cave]

Bottle and Lantern.

[twin delta]

i've seen a cleric drop their shield out of inventory to chase another guy who kept running away

who then pulled out their crossbow and got an easy headshot

[ebon idol]

I followed a ranger for 1 minute and punched them to death. With mah god dan bare hands stop running you...

[twin delta]

heh

[spice cave]

Alright IronMace, you huge fuckin' nerds, where's my goddamn holy hand grenade?

[ebon idol]

Lol

[spice cave]

Imagine. You're a fighter. 'oh a cleric on his own'. And then you just blow up.

[ebon idol]

I still think there should be a perk rewarding clerics if they don't take spell memory.

Non-cast cleric just sounds like fun to play.

[spice cave]

That's a paladin with less steps.

[ebon idol]

Exactly.

War priest

[spice cave]

Alright. Make Judgement require a melee hit to activate.

[ebon idol]

Clerics already have smite and the ability to wield a war hammer.

That is smite.

Also an ability they have.

Hilarious in solo dungeon.

[spice cave]

Fuckin'. Make both of them. Shit up.

[ebon idol]

Lol

[spice cave]

I'm tired of taking some 60-so damage because some dude recited the goddamn instruction manual for Windows Vista.

[ebon idol]

Clerics be like "Lorem ipsum, your life endeth now"

[spice cave]

Exactly. Make it only activate on the next melee hit.

At least then you can counter it.

[ebon idol]

You can actually counter it.

It fails and goes on cooldown if you walk out of range.

The range is pretty terrible.

However I do think it is bull as a cleric myself that I can cancel the cast and it won't go on cooldown.

[spice cave]

Yeah but if you're trapped in a corner you're just boned.

[ebon idol]

True, but as you said, don't get that close in the first place.

[spice cave]

Not like you have a choice sometimes.

Rock and a Hard Place, ect ect.

[ebon idol]

Yeah, sometimes you are boned. But then, just give the cleric their win.

They had to walk for two hours to get to you.

[spice cave]

Expect for the chad stickslapper clerics that can outrun a ranger.

[ebon idol]

Who don't have any defence in that case.

[spice cave]

Bubble shield.

And prot potions.

[ebon idol]

Fair

[worthy spear]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Wow, I didn’t expect that many people would disagree with making solos, actually intend to be solo, and not just people teaming with others… well I guess time to go queue up solos with some friends and wipe the lobbies 😈

[spice cave]

You'd be surprised how fun running that build actually is.

[ebon idol]

I am not, I bonked enough people in my life.

[spice cave]

Quarterstaff is disgusting.

Need a speed nerf.

Because a guy with a huge stick can walk faster than a man with one small hatchet.

[jovial swan]

[The Rogue]

Buff: Base Rondel Dagger damage value increased from 14 to 16.
Buff: Dagger Expert bonus damage now increases to 10% if both hands hold daggers.
Buff: Smoke Bomb area of effect increased from 7.5 meters to 10 meters.
Buff: Smoke Bomb now increases your movement speed by 50% for 5 seconds.
Rework: Stealth now grants the ability to remain invisible while moving, but causes a transparent apparition of you to be seen intermittently while moving and reduces your speed by 20% while invisible.
Rework: Caltrops now linger for 20 seconds on the ground, afflicting the stepper with a 50% slowdown while inside of them. This effect lingers for 2 seconds after leaving the area.
Nerf: Ambush damage modifier reduced from 50% to 20%.
Nerf: Backstab damage modifier reduced from 30% to 15% if it hits the body.

[median owl]

Wizards need to start with the book, most basic one buta book

[ebon idol]

Good luck queing up with your friends and wiping solo lobbies.

[jovial swan]

As the creator of the Cult of the Stick, I hard disagree.

[spice cave]

Yes, because you bask in your broken-ness.

[ebon idol]

Quaterstaffs are actually super light.

If you compare it with anything made out of metal

[spice cave]

Is it lighter than a handheld axe?

[jovial swan]

They're a stick you're holding with two hands.

[ebon idol]

Hm, probably equal.

[jovial swan]

With great balance, too.

[cobalt galleon]

R.i.p had no clue how suggestion worked typed and now gotta wait 6 hours lmao

[spice cave]

Need to be the same speed as the hatchet, or make the Hatchet have better movement.