suggestion-discussion

[simple helm]

Bards gonna be a support class thats for sure, don't think it would be a good solo class at all

[stiff folio]

imagine being so bad that u have to do team on Goblins to survive, shame

[grizzled spindle]

so make bards identity focused onbuffing ig?

[muted locust]

Some people do mate, and that's how it is.

[jaunty scaffold]

I don’t care about teaming in Goblin Dungeon. Let people play how they want to play. There are only so many ways out anyway

[torn orchid]

make it so players with the match history of 6 games like the karma system so they are not put into the same solo instance more than 1 out of 6

[simple helm]

I think that's the intend for bards, but I hope it's more then just that. I want to see some sound manipulation too

[sleek compass]

yes, sending out foot step sounds to make people paranoid

[grizzled spindle]

c u t t i n g th r ou gh

[simple helm]

Like how about a spell effect that creates a zone around the Bard where all sounds are delayed from firing for say 30 seconds

[muted locust]

I think that bard will be a class support centered around utility more than heals and stuff.

[grizzled spindle]

t h e d i m e n s i o n a l f a b r o c

[muted locust]

Also bards usually have knuckles as their main weapon

so that will be cool

[torn orchid]

and need to escape in there own 1 of 6 before potentially being reunited in a solo instance

[simple helm]

so you group can make noise and then move on and the noices fire later so your like outrunning your own sounds

[grizzled spindle]

like what buffs can you even really do

there are no aoe buffs in the game rn

[torn orchid]

bard silence of its own interation and movement noise is unique to only bard

[simple helm]

Bards would be AoE buffers, so long as they play their song the buff is applied in a radius

[grizzled spindle]

to enemies as well?

[torn orchid]

other party members can still be heard by enemies

[stiff folio]

like i said, shame on that ppl that need to team up on SOLO. U have a team option already.

[grizzled spindle]

is your perception of something being shameful a reportable offense?

[muted locust]

It's not really necessary. You can always lead a group into an uncomfortable zone where they don't have the advantage. That is even more helpful when you're in goblin cave. Crowd them with mobs and run. You can always set mob traps

[torn orchid]

think of it like a tremporary alliance or enemy

[grizzled spindle]

i mean, or if a dude is chill and you don't want to kill him

[muted locust]

If you think it's shameful, that's ok, but it's not illegal and it shouldn't be. Just like scams. YOU accepted the trade without knowing the value of your item. Now suffer the consequences.

[torn orchid]

not when your spawned in a location behind a physical barrier that needs to be destroyed in order to get away.

[simple helm]

What if Haste was moved to Bards?

like that was always a Bard spell in classic D&D

[muted locust]

D&D shouldn't be fair. Everything but cheating should be accepted.

[torn orchid]

ive experienced it before spawned in a room with a door no loot in the room as soon as i opened the door 2 players teaming as an alliance preventing my exit from the spawn location

[grizzled spindle]

bard spells and wizard spells overlap a lot tbh

or at least in dnd they do bc college of lore

but non offensive/defensive magic is kinda weird

[torn orchid]

typically leaderboard hunters will zerg rush spawn locations for faster kill counts

[grizzled spindle]

you gonna polymorph a dude

[sleek compass]

illusions could fit the bard

[simple helm]

true but ideally we want to avoid spell overlaps here

[sleek compass]

place fake doors/walls in front of traps

[torn orchid]

dammmmmm

[simple helm]

I dont see how fake doors would work in the map

[torn orchid]

would only work in halways not so suited to goblin caves

[simple helm]

yea too limited

[grizzled spindle]

just block los?

[torn orchid]

fog of darkness

[simple helm]

illusions of monsters I could see working though if it automatically uses an apropriate monster

[restive aurora]

damn even more people reporting this desync glitch/hack to me. how is that even a thing lmfao

got mfs out here playing on brazil servers just to avoid hackers lol

[jaunty scaffold]

It’s an alpha test

[cosmic apex]

fix the cap of physical reduction for fighters, people getting 80-90% reduction is wild and almost impossible to kill for some classes.

[torn orchid]

guilty for doing that and im in aus and i dont even mind thats its laggy

[restive aurora]

always an excuse lol "its this" "its that" you will continue to justify it however possible until you ultimately quit out and the game is nothing but cheaters like tarkov

[lusty wren]

someone is salty

[jaunty scaffold]

That or I’m SCRUM certified and know how product development timelines work

[restive aurora]

You will be salty too, once you make it out of the starter zone and into big boy lobbies

i get it though, until you are able to hang in HR consistently, you aren't going to have these problems. who wants to hack on a bunch of ungeared noobies?

[torn orchid]

oh its still happening

they need to lvl up and get the money to enter

[late gate]

Alright, I need to know... I need to know... Why is everyone so opposed to Rogues getting kusarigama as a potential weapon? Why do you all do this to me?!

Why do...d-do you hate me?

[torn orchid]

seems resonable if it takes both weapon slots

[lusty wren]

Because of the suggestion

😄

[west cloak]

Ranged rogue would just be a better ranger

[sleek compass]

because ninja/monk in the pipeline babeeee

[torn orchid]

i mean its not that much range just a metre

weaker than a close range for damage tho

[late gate]

Kusarigama isn't quite ranged, it adds a little range...but nothing like a bow or anything like that. You get better range with the throwing daggers, by far.

[jaunty scaffold]

Monk is in timeline. Not sure if “Ninja” counts as a default DnD class

[west cloak]

Then it's just a better rapier

[torn orchid]

no rapier uses only 1 hand

[simple helm]

How about this for Bard ability, a zone around the Bard which causes all healing effects to be amplifed and causes all friendly buffs to last longer

[late gate]

Kinda? It would have to be a two handed weapon, as you have a kama in one and the weighted chain in the other. The move set would have to be completely different, and your Rapier allows you to have two weapons with stats.

[torn orchid]

too op

and same as cleric

[sleek compass]

Did they say only D&D and not inspired by the genre +others?

[simple helm]

not the same, it dose nothing on its own, just amplifiers other buffs

[sleek compass]

either way you can always just fluff it another way

[brisk folio]

There should only be one game mode, no solo duo only matches only the up to 3 or if it gets increased to 4 etc

[jaunty scaffold]

They implied DnD, just as the name shares the same acronym

[torn orchid]

and make so can perform a spinning model animation to have effect around player not just in front of

[west cloak]

A lot of rogues only take rapier in unless you've got a really good offhand to increase its damage. Taking in a basic stiletto dagger isn't worth it without bonus stats

[brisk folio]

The argument for solo dungeons is weak

[jaunty scaffold]

Dark & Darker / Dungeons & Dragons

[sleek compass]

Well at least I still have hopes for runepriest (4e)

[brisk folio]

Just be honest and ask for pve

[torn orchid]

is there more to this ?

[brisk folio]

Of course

[torn orchid]

nah i just saw this

tooo many ppl prefer soloing game play to leave that market out of a game

[brisk folio]

It’s not like they wouldn’t play the game if there wasn’t a way to do something solo

[torn orchid]

1v1 then

me

[brisk folio]

There’s nothing stopping anyone from playing the castle solo

Just do it

[torn orchid]

and people do very well at it as well

[sleek compass]

final destination, no items, barbs only

[brisk folio]

The experience of solo castle has become extremely bad

[torn orchid]

but solo pvpve is more exciting when theres limited exits so you kinda forced into fighting mulitple players but idealy in 1v1 battles

[torn orchid]

probably due to the meta hunters

[brisk folio]

There’s almost always an abundance of escape portals in the castle

[jaunty scaffold]

I like the solo dungeon as a concept. You run into a lot of different players in there. Adds to the drama

[brisk folio]

1vX should just be part of the game

[torn orchid]

what if the 3man partys spawned in seperate locations and had to regroup to fight together

with at least one elite lvl mob between each of them

that gives the 1vX a head start on getting down and gritty

[jaunty scaffold]

They fact that the threw a world boss into the solo dungeon shows that they intend some players to attempt to work together, while leaving a massive possibility for betrayal. Reminds me of older online RPGs where you could be social, but better off trusting no one

[torn orchid]

thats why if i temp ally i keep my distance and never veer away from los

[brisk folio]

People asking for solo queue just want pve

[torn orchid]

thats a single player game then no thanks boring

[jaunty scaffold]

Don’t play the mode then?

[brisk folio]

I think the cave is probably meant for groups due to the boss

[torn orchid]

id rather play harry potter if that was only option

[jaunty scaffold]

Then go play that. No one is making you play a specific game or mode

[torn orchid]

just saying 1ve has no social interaction and that is a snoozefest

[jaunty scaffold]

People talk and interact in the solo dungeon all the time

[torn orchid]

correct because its not 1ve

perhaps for the spirit of player vs environment for solos it could done as a full size dungeon as the training

to upskill

[brisk folio]

Pve isn’t like difficult or anything so what’s the point

[torn orchid]

downside is no ability to spectate and report dodgy acting players

[jaunty scaffold]

A social training room is definitely needed. It’s gonna devolve into furry RP though

[ivory knot]

Something that some friends brought up to me as a big concern for the longevity of the game is matchmaking.
Without a good system of matching similarly leveled and equipped characters against each other, lobbies will be dominated by the people who have grinded the game out for good equipment.
I fear that this could kill the game for new and casual players, as they'd almost never be able to escape the dungeon while in a lobby with a party of level 20s with purple/gold gear.
My question, and I'm not sure if this is the right channel for it, is this:
Has this been brought up before? And if so, is a solution being worked on?

[torn orchid]

i have suggest high tier gear as a matchmaking method only pairing gear levels

[molten zenith]

Lag/Rubberbanding is really bad on the Brazilian servers, don't get lag in any other game, getting shot in the head by a skelly just because the server made you stand still is really bad

[torn orchid]

and adding high tier dungeons for solo players

never had that issue playing on brazil from australia so i cant relate

lag some rubberbanding none

[jaunty scaffold]

Final game is going to have more dungeon levels that are lower and higher than the current ones. Basically, current map is level 2 or 3

[torn orchid]

in fact the only time ive played on oce servers is in solo, otherwise its been frankfurt oregon and sau paulo as my sleep schedule is on the northern hemisphere daylight hours

[torn orchid]

definate make the suggestion #1048762118255673428 use .suggest [suggestion here], the more its suggest the more likely they could implement something like this

[pliant bone]

goblin rangers having poison arrows is such a stupid idea

[jaunty scaffold]

Strafe around them and they can’t hit you

Same goes for the goblin mage

[brisk folio]

There shouldn’t be gear or level based match making

[west cloak]

I agree if you bring in a decent ish weapon you can kill anyone

[jaunty scaffold]

Many games do a player level for match making.

[brisk folio]

Also the meta would just be amplified so much that bringing gear into a game would just put you in a match with only wizards

[slate tartan]

Matchmaking is a terrible idea and the devs have stated they are against it thank goodness

[brisk folio]

Now something that can use some work is escaping

[cobalt valley]

thoughts on nerfing the +3 all buff clerics can give?

its 30 seconds long

[brisk folio]

Maybe increase the time of the map and some more spots to leave. something I don’t have any ideas

[ivory knot]

can you explain a bit why matchmaking is a bad idea? I haven't been in the server for too long so I'm not sure what the devs have said about this before

[jaunty scaffold]

I think when all the dungeon levels are added, you’ll see more high level players at the higher levels of the dungeon

[west cloak]

I don't think it would be a terrible idea to have fresh players. (First character under level 5 or 10) to be put in a separate skill lobby to learn the game

[brisk folio]

Why

You have nothing to lose

In tarkov you lose everything in this game you spawn with a basic kit so you can get the foundation down pretty easily

[west cloak]

True I don't have a problem with how the bracket currently is. But I know a couple of my friends that would've quit if I didn't play the first couple games with them

[ivory knot]

nothing would stop a high level player from joining a low level dungeon and stomping there. They wouldn't get the same rewards, but "smurfing" is a huge issue in other games nonetheless

[jaunty scaffold]

Hunt: Showdown forgives character death for the first ten levels, but it also has a completely different character system and no real loot

[slate tartan]

Because it makes anyone who is an average gamer or above have to play in a custom lobby every single game, which isn't fun and no one wants to do, it also makes the gap between good players and bad players even bigger because bad players will never have to push themselves or think outside the box, it makes things mindless and easy and takes from the appeal of the game

[jaunty scaffold]

I imagine high rollers will stick to high roller dungeons. Likewise, we haven’t seen the first level of the dungeon yet. The current map we’re using will require a red portal to get to in the final version

[torn orchid]

dodge them

[brisk folio]

Is high roller here to stay?

[sudden fractal]

how much do golden keys go for nowadays?

[brisk folio]

Have devs said anything about it I can’t remember

[torn orchid]

nah its good

[split quartz]

I hope so, it's one of the main ways to remove gold from the economy atm

[jaunty scaffold]

I mean, I have friends that want to play but are already intimidated by the high skill floor. I imagine that will be less of a thing in the final version though

[brisk folio]

That could also be done with better traders

Like imagine you can spend more for better pots and such

[torn orchid]

tarkov has scav runs to compensate for lost gear basic kits

[sudden fractal]

this game has a high skill floor?

[brisk folio]

Yeah you get a paca and a scav sks 😂

[slate tartan]

Doubtful, by then there will just be more people that have played playtests, it's a game, tell them not to be intimidated lol

[jaunty scaffold]

If you’re not used to it, you die to mobs pretty regularly. Lower levels will probabaly have easier enemies, which aren’t much of a challenge to the veteran players

[torn orchid]

thats rng not guarenteed. if youve never had less you havent had a bad scav rep to experience lower grade kits

[rustic notch]

I'm severely disliking how Goblin Cave end zones are pretty much a 50/50 on if you chose the right floor or not in terms of swarm survival... but really like Goblin Caves as a map!

[ivory knot]

With multiple levels to the dungeon there will be room for skill expression, even among the "bad players" stuck in lower level lobbies. If they truly aren't skilled enough to go deeper into the dungeon, then they'll never be able to acquire the same quality of loot as the good players, that alone should be a good incentive for getting people to learn the game better
My concern with this isn't about making the game "easier" for people, but with making it less frustrating to learn and play. Many people would just drop the game if they were constantly lost to people with better gear

[jaunty scaffold]

All competitive first-person games attract assholes though, so I’m sure there will be smurfing

[brisk folio]

The non high roller lobby is pretty much what you want

[slate tartan]

I mean you're worrying about something that isn't even finished yet, gear won't be as easy to get once the game is released, unfortunately that's something that happens in most games though and if that's all it takes for people to stop playing they probably weren't going to play for long anyways

[torn orchid]

no new player is immune to difficulty of learning to play this game so its fair ground for all

has there been any mention or suggestions of chests for storing loot kits ?

like a wardrobe like

[rich coyote]

Krizz is being extremely racist in voice chat 64 what can we do ?

[brisk folio]

Yeah there’s been suggestions of that

[torn orchid]

fastest solution is go to a new channel without them or contact a warden i imagine

[brisk folio]

The suggestion discussion channel probably isn’t the way to find a solution

[rich coyote]

ty

[torn orchid]

@rich coyote if they proceed to follow you and continue the behaviou take some screen shots with your clock time as evidence they are harrassing you and abusing the voice coms

[tulip zinc]

can u guys make more voice chat places

[lusty wren]

Devs suck at it and in order to not be shit theyd need to much R&D (was responding to the proc gen statement that got deleted LOL )

[summer inlet]

Is there an option to add friends? if not that would be cool to have a friend list where you can easy invite them.

[magic depot]

Sorry @lusty wren i reposted it in suggestions. My comment was asking for proc gen dungeons - appreciate the reply 🙂

[lusty wren]

Ya, I know. Devs suck at it is my only reason to dislike the suggestion

I wanted it bad before I learned that

Was the devs original goal

[magic depot]

Makes sense

[hollow river]

An Arena for team fighting would be nice 🙂

[thick cradle]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Love this one

As being in the dark a lot adapts your vision to low light

Immediately when in pitch black your pupil will instantly open wide to let more light in, but the more you stay in pitch black areas your actual light perception batons will slowly adapt to the darkness over a period of ~half an hour at which point you can see significantly better in the dark

It's only fair, and fitting, rgat rogues would have this hability

[brisk folio]

I hate it

[lofty temple]

troll instantly cry on me then i m dead HELP pls

[brisk folio]

Strafe

[lilac shell]

why is there no text chat ingame

like in a match

cant communicate anything to teammates if u have no mic

[lofty temple]

troll instantly cry on me then i m dead HELP pls

[brisk folio]

Get mic

[brisk folio]

Strafe

[lofty temple]

its large area i gonna try

[lusty wren]

stay close to it

[lofty temple]

i try i try god he is hard

[quick night]

have the devs said anything about having our chars be able to access each others stashes?

kinda feels disjointed having seperate everything

[lofty temple]

hight roll and evil booss are ez troll is hard but its solo. ok<

[brisk folio]

They don’t want people hoarding right now

Use your gold and gear

[lofty temple]

i hope in future for solo player to be able to share

[quick night]

well it doesnt even need to be that much bigger a stash. would just be nice to access the other gold and gear a certain char cant use

[slate tartan]

Troll boss is ez, watch a video and see how they do it

[fleet star]

Spellcasting needs to be fixed where you don't strike out with staff when casting. Currently if you cast and strike a wall the spell fails. Need a friendly and enemy toggle with buff healing spells

[fleet star]

They just added new attack to troll. He does a low sweep now that melee have to jump over. He's much harder

[spiral spindle]

I feel you, just killed a full blue/purple clerk as barb and its just a little hassle to have to trade it with my teammate first to get it to my clerk

[brisk folio]

Just drop it in game?

[spiral spindle]

All full and was the last kill before jumping in the portal, dropped my trash jewelry asap to pick all his gear up

[cobalt obsidian]

Im at the point where I just want to be able to buy a respectable kit that is somewhere in the realm of the build im going for without sitting in trade chat for 40 + minutes

i cant be bothered to do this shit anymore

[muted beacon]

my suggestion is spiders and death skulls should have smaller hitboxes, having a doorway blocked by a single spider is a bit silly

[spiral spindle]

So it's no problem to get it my clerk just imo a little unnecessary trading in between

[slate tartan]

They didn't add that today, that was a few days ago, it's still very easy

[fleet star]

Very easy is very subjective. I always see people killed by cave troll in chat feed 😆

[brisk folio]

Smaller?

Oh I see what you mean

The body blocking

[muted beacon]

as in they can be stepped over or walked around yeah

[lofty temple]

already watch sadly xD

[slate tartan]

You will get there mate, keep practicing

[naive raptor]

Make a US West and US East lfg.

[lofty temple]

wow i spec someone in my game doing it with bow and heavy shield is cool to look

[subtle flicker]

i agree with the enemy toggle on buffs but if your to close to a wall and you cast thats just bad positioning buy a crystal ball or spellbook for smaller spaces

[near tide]

It would be cool if you could sort players queued up, by level

It’s hard to find other newbies

[lusty wren]

Enemy toggle?

[lofty temple]

lol i saw somone killing troll but not looting troll room uU

[fleet star]

They should start cleric with spellbook vs staff

[sudden fractal]

have they changed the cave troll so much that its impossible to kill now or what

[wide loom]

Oi like my post in #d-and-d-suggestions so we can keep the game open longer

[karmic dew]

my suggestion was already posted, guess you can remove mine
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[scenic kettle]

sadly as much as everyone wants the game open its not up to us

[hollow granite]

its up to me...

[scenic kettle]

atleast it will be early acess within 3 months

from when it closes this week

[granite plinth]

More party channels in lfg if possible 🤣 they be damn full. Also just a great game over all

[tardy sun]

Lol someone made a suggestion to 'remove rangers'. I cannot tell if they're joking. In what world would that happen?!

[lucid thunder]

remove stash

[rigid geyser]

remove ranger, I can get behind that LMAO

[late gate]

I have a new suggestion. When the Barb breaks through a door, he should roar out "OH YEAH!" This would be very intimidating.

[glad depot]

#d-and-d-suggestions message makes alot of sense to help balance with new players coming into the game

[cinder shuttle]

No they introduced a mixup mechanic that is essentially unreactable, the general response of the community has been to find ways to not interact with it or leave it up to rng.

[mighty willow]

@inner zinc there will be an easier mode once the game releases, its just not finished yet

[sudden fractal]

interesting

[cinder shuttle]

I think it's an awesome mechanic just needs to be tweaked or given slightly earlier/easier to see ques.

[foggy lichen]

anyone find difficulty picking up bangles and stuff from the ground? the hitboxes i think are too accurate

[zenith shale]

Skeletons shouldn't take this long to kill honestly they're bones you can literally shatter them. Why do skeletons take 20 hits to kill

[mighty willow]

cause you are probably using a prim weapon

[cobalt obsidian]

STOP ending the fking game so early its the dumbest shit ive ever seen. Why? why are you closing the server? Let our health tick down

fighting a mob that spawns on last portal? Guess you have to die.

@dawn grotto Fck it, risk it for the biscuit.

[real trellis]

What's going on with the suggest command

It looks like people keep getting errors

[broken wasp]

Gimme artificer or give me death

[jaunty tree]

would like to see the end zones last longer now with the increase of players per game

[bleak monolith]

Ok hear me out

Our own private rooms where we customize and put trophies and achievements on the walls or just general decorations, we can buy cool skins for the room and it’s furniture with real money or a lot of gold or other things

Would be cool to mess with

[river plinth]

im up for this as long as they put the training dummies in them... tired of rushing to them in the lobby only for the game to start anyway

[inner zinc]

thank goodness

[whole sundial]

please make the felling axe not 1 shot on the head please and thank you

[torn orchid]

get out of here with your real money casino type spending for in game, go read ironmace.com blurb

[median breach]

Have they said if theyre gonna add the idea of a training dummy area without joining a game? training room?

[torn orchid]

training dungeon would be better for real training of skills when they make that accessable

[river plinth]

tbh i think the whole barb situation is just a symptom of the game's early stage of development. once the combat system is more in-depth and armor has been balance to be useful early too barb's opness will solve itself

[torn orchid]

with real mobs that do real damage

[calm sedge]

Can you make friend list please it kinda annoying to type my friend name again and again

[granite plinth]

fix you anti cheat so you dont ban people with mods for other games

[torn orchid]

i dont think its mods dude cause i dont have any other games on my pc other than this and discord and steam and was banned for allegedly "unauthorised program" the anti cheat is busted and im guessing a hotfix may come out at 12am usa time as it has been over the last few days

[granite plinth]

but does it unban all cheaters too cause i dont wanna get unbanned then cheated on lmao

[torn orchid]

i mean do you wanna play the game ?

i do but have been waiting since the last hotfix that occured that cause my unfair ban about 18 hours ago

the support ticket bot has crashed and still isnt up to take new tickets as far as i think atm

[bleak monolith]

If people want to pay real money to help support the game and get cool cosmetics why not? Just don’t buy

[torn orchid]

tsk tsk tsk thats how it starts then it becomes candy crush

[bleak monolith]

Lol “ slippery slope fallacy“

If you do this THEN THIS WILL HAPPEN

[torn orchid]

that is exactly how the game industry started to fall of and become cash cows with no further development, dev teams just sitting back raking in the money especially 10pence affiliated co's

[river plinth]

definitely paves the way for it to happen, yeah

[granite plinth]

do you know what anticheat they use

[torn orchid]

nope and thats not something i genuinely am worried about

[stuck locust]

Oops

Wrong channel

[torn orchid]

but its gotta be some kind of connection that the ant cheat talk to this game and vice versa, there are tons of different anti cheat softwares that are used for multiple games, probably something unreal engine related tho

[ebon idol]

They only people who want to know what anti-cheat is running are people trying to cheat.

It is like someone coming to you and asking what kind of lock you have.

[torn orchid]

yeah lol

[rustic sentinel]

TRUEING

[calm dove]

What do you guys think about putting item level on gear? Logic behind it would be at a certain gear level you're ass can only go into high roller.

[torn orchid]

by the time you find purple and escape youll be high enough lvl i think

thats how hard it should be

[ebon idol]

I think the suggestion is "gearscore, and if your gearscore is too high you can only go into high roller"

I dislike this idea.

[calm dove]

@ebon idol What do you dislike about about?

[torn orchid]

i dislike your dislike for this idea

[ebon idol]

Personally I think you should be able to go wherever you want with your gear. You worked for it, you can use it in whatever you like.

[calm dove]

The reason I like the idea is thinking longer term. Game has been out a few months and new players late to the party will be discourged.

[ebon idol]

I also dislike this idea because gearscore would mean nothing.

People in full green can have so much better stats on their equipment than people in full purple.

[calm dove]

@ebon idol I get it what you're saying but I'm putting faith in the devs they would gearscore based off stats not color.

[ebon idol]

It would definitely be a lot of work.

I would rather have under level 5 players only be matched with other under level 5 players.

[calm dove]

I think it would be worth if there's no plan to do char wipes. Like I said people who take a break or late to the party will just see it as impossible when every game they run into ppl with blue/purple gear.

[ebon idol]

Past level 5 marketplace is open.

[calm dove]

Does anyone know if the devs plan on doing something like 3month wipes?

[rustic sentinel]

why are the goblin caves so hard

[ebon idol]

Poison goes brr

[calm dove]

@rustic sentinel What class you playing?

[rustic sentinel]

fighter

[calm dove]

@rustic sentinel Yeah I bet it's rough. I would suggest to use a bow to help pull one at a time.

[ebon idol]

Play defensive, always try to bait an attack out first before striking, don't let them get you mid swing.

[rustic sentinel]

yeah i tried that without bow nad its hard

[ebon idol]

Most of the time you can get away from goblin attack just by walking backwards.

Try it a bit, you will learn the timing eventually.

Bow also helps if you can get one.

[calm dove]

@rustic sentinel Some ideas to help. If you find traps use them to help kill mobs by kiting them into it. There's always way to jump on ledges/torch or even some barrels. They can't hit you but you can hit them.

[waxen garnet]

Any chance the wizard will get another nerf?

[calm dove]

@waxen garnet I hope not lol.

[waxen garnet]

is stupid broke.

[torn orchid]

sure lets nerf the most nerfed char

[calm dove]

How so? lol

[waxen garnet]

magic missile

[torn orchid]

go back thru playtest history and youll learn

[ebon idol]

They don't move very fast.

[calm dove]

Most wizars are trash it's only when you run into a very geared one you will think it's broken but really it just had the gear. Any class will seem broken with full gear

[vagrant garnet]

Increase the heal amount of fighter's "Victory Strike" by a fair amount, please. 5% is quite small right now. I wanna use it with "Sprint" instead of "Second Wing" 🙂

[calm dove]

I will be honest right now it's kinda cancer to play. If you start inspecting people who kill you. You will find they're prob wearing amazing gear. That's because we're reaching the end of the test so ppl are using it before they lose it anyway.

@vagrant garnet Yeah fighter seems lack luster to me. Unless you want to be a tank. barb just out shines them.

[waxen garnet]

false

[calm dove]

@waxen garnet lol I will put it this way as a wiz main. We have 75hp. Geared wiz maybe reaches 90ish. No class gets one shot more than wiz.

[waxen garnet]

rogue

[calm dove]

@waxen garnet Yep that is the other class that can get oneshot. However it can fight back close range. Wiz can only fight back close range if they build for it.

[waxen garnet]

false

[calm dove]

I guess you haven't seen all the memes where wiz kill themselves lol.

[wide loom]

Tbh I don’t think they read any of the suggestions

[mighty willow]

why do you think that?

[calm dove]

I'm sure most of our sug have already ben brought up in one way or another. WIth how far away the release is who knows what they're planning to add

[ebon idol]

Suggestion, have then read the suggestions.

But seriously I wouldn't blame them. 80% of suggestens either repeat or it is someone demanding a nerf.

[rugged pilot]

Straight lies

Rogue is oneshot WAY MORE

Atleast wizard is not required in close combat exclusively

[waxen garnet]

my man

Nice to see some people have common sense

[rugged pilot]

I am a paid shill, here to tell the vast majority of players what they don't want to hear.

Barb is underpowered, Rogue is overpowered, the cavetroll is easy.

@granite plinth hey man, the crouch toggle is being worked on already

[waxen garnet]

How do I have fun.

[rugged pilot]

I saw a dev response to this on the steam forum saying it was high priority

[rugged pilot]

Try barb

Or fighter with sprint + Barb axes

[wide loom]

Too many suggestions lol like way too many

[mighty willow]

just get a mod/intern to filter them

[teal badger]

Barb really shouldn't get slowed by arrows/throwables

[ebon idol]

Disagree. A barbs charge should not be unavoidable.

If you run straight through a room into arrows and throwing knifes you should be slowed.

[teal badger]

Literally anyone can sheath and run away and barb swing can't catch them

[ebon idol]

Do you suggest a... barb buff?

[teal badger]

Nah not a buff just move some thing around maybe

Maybe remove speed buff from rage and add can't be slowed

[ebon idol]

Because barb charges are already really deadly.

[sleek arrow]

barb is fine, youre not supposed to be tanking infinite arrows and rushing through them

[ebon idol]

I am mid on that suggestion, but put it into #1048762118255673428

[near violet]

anyone else feel like attack speed being tied to rarity sucks? How is someone with a green supposed to take on a MF with a purple?

[sleek arrow]

gemplay style issue

[teal badger]

I mean a barbarian is sort of supposed to run in swinging no?

[sleek arrow]

yes, at the right time.

[ebon idol]

When you are not being peppered with arrows.

[teal badger]

Saying that it's just the triple shot that's kind of annoying with the slow normal shots aren't too bad

[ebon idol]

Bait out trippleshot

Then charge.

[teal badger]

Nerd ranger instead of buffing barb remove slow from triple

[graceful frost]

@crimson stag how would having it be magic power instead of dmg change anything. Magic power is just a percent increase in damage and 5 magic power will almost always be way worse than 5 magic dmg

[crimson stag]

It buffs cleric spells instead of just wizard damage

[graceful frost]

Ranger is pretty much fine? Only issue is the quickshot reload. Also no way you think barb needs buff

[graceful frost]

Don’t think it does. Magic power is only percent increase in magic damage. Will buffs cleric spell

[ebon idol]

Will increases magic power.

[crimson stag]

I've heard otherwise but the game doesn't make it clear. in the game description magic power increases spell power

[ebon idol]

Which increases cleric spells.

[crimson stag]

My suggestion is basically make it so that good magic tools buff clerics as well rather than just wizards.

[ebon idol]

More magic power will increase your heals.

[teal badger]

Barb 100% needs a slight speed buff

Would take lower damage and/or health for speed

[ebon idol]

Barb is fast enough, thank you

[torn orchid]

#game-discussion

[graceful frost]

? barb is prolly the most used character. can outrun any character? and the best meta comp features barb. barb with rage and savage roar can outrun any character. this is not including wiz with haste and invis. also barb has throwing axes for slow

[ebon idol]

I like the idea of increasing spell power instead of damage on casting utensils

[graceful frost]

maybe im wrong. the wiki isnt very clear either. just says magic power governs your magic power bonus. and not what magic power does. from what I know its only dmg but maybe im off

[crimson stag]

Yeah nobody knows much of anything right now except the devs. I hope the game is more transparent at launch tbh.

[ebon idol]

As a cleric main I feel like magic power increases my heals.

[graceful frost]

yeah, I do agree with the fact about it helping clerics. I just more meant if leg spellbook gives 5 magic power instead of dmg it goes from like +5 DMG FOR a wiz to +2 or so I think

[ebon idol]

I never checked the numbers, so i could ve wrong.

[crimson stag]

I feel like you're right cause I've healed way more than 35 with holy light before

[ebon idol]

That wouldn't be so bad either.

[crimson stag]

Is doesn't have to be +5 magic power, it could just boost will or increase by more than 5

[ebon idol]

A legendary spellbook with +12 magic power would be pretty awesome

[near violet]

@fervent falcon Right click the skin and choose unequip, not very intuitive but it's there

@compact galedo people really need another incentive to kill each other?

[compact gale]

Depends on what people want. If I'm in the "end game" so to speak and everyone else isn't as strong then they can focus on something worth their time and investment /shrug

just a suggestion

Also could be for just PVP focused instead of PVE

[near violet]

With the limited portal spawns and loot drops I don't think it's a good idea.

as a separate game mode might be something but with how jank the combat can be it'd be like playing MP M&B Warband

[compact gale]

current state I get that, but that's why I said it could be a different game mode. i've seen other PVP focused suggestions as well

[wise vine]

How would you guys feel about Rogue starting with a Gray Rapier instead of a Gray Rondel?
As it stands currently the rondel is roughly the same damage and range as the Rogue dropping it all together and just becoming a diet Monk

I feel a Rapier, even if the same damage as the rondel, would at least give them a bit of range on their swing so they don't need to risk half their hp to a basic skeleton

[near violet]

I think all classes should be able to start with whatever weapon(s) they want from their kit

[torn orchid]

no

[graceful frost]

yeah

[near violet]

being limited to a staff as a wizard sucks

[wise vine]

Elaborate

[graceful frost]

nah. or at least rogues main weapon is still dagger. when your jumping someone, especially from invis you dont rlly want a rapier. But i think a rapier and dagger could be an interesting starting loadout

[wise vine]

That's not my point

My point is you can currently drop the Dagger and literally lose nothing because your fists do the same damage

[sudden shale]

I must say I like rapier way more but dagger is more of suitable starter for rogue because it's just how rogues are generally seen

[graceful frost]

but they are slower? harder to hit? and just worse?

[wise vine]

just worse in what way

[graceful frost]

?

fists are slower than dagger. harder to hit with?

what you mean in what way lol

[wise vine]

Speaking objectively the fists have a wider arc meaning they can hit multiple targets

They still poison

[graceful frost]

also your point is they should start with rapier?

also you can hit multiple with a dagger?

[wise vine]

They still apply debuffs

[graceful frost]

the fact you think fists are better than dagger really makes no sense

not worth talkin about this a dagger is way faster and better

[wise vine]

I didn't say they were better, I said you lose nothing

[graceful frost]

you lose nothing if other characters too?

[unborn rivet]

Fists better

[wise vine]

Incorrect

[graceful frost]

like cleric

[wise vine]

Fighter and cleric spawn with shields, barb spawns with an axe that benefits from a flat 10 damage bonus from their perks, wizard can't cast if they dropped their staff, almost all of rangers abilities require a bow of some kind

It is objectively incorrect to state others lose nothing from dropping their starting gear

Rogue moves faster and can still use all of their abilities and perks on their fists

And do the same damage

That's ridiculous

The Dagger sucks

[twin delta]

it does. pretty much only thing that gets improved by magic damage on cleric

since the protection, bless, divine strike, and damage from using minor heal on undead don't (this last one doesn't exist btw, did testing on it)

[sudden shale]

Doesn't magic DMG also improve smite?

[twin delta]

if you have it on the weapon you're striking with, yes

blue stat bonuses are only active on wield, not equip

[sudden shale]

So many mechanism still to be tested I wish they gave us offline versio of waiting lobby so you could test stuff on training dummy

[twin delta]

when i fail to escape a couple of times in a row i just do base gear runs and try to test stuff

[torn orchid]

and fists are slower than the dagger why would you drop your faster tool ?

[sudden shale]

I wanna see the raw numbers when I add bonuses or armor pen in my gear

[twin delta]

if the tavern didn't let you lose items/spells/limited skills then yeah

that'd be nice

it'd be perfect for figuring out how some things work

you do see the raw numbers. hit tab then at the bottom of your character page you hit more details

[wise vine]

Because you'd move faster by dropping it, ontop of not losing any damage, ontop of not needing it for any of your abilities

[sudden shale]

Pretty sure they will give us that at some point just needs to be patient 🧐

[twin delta]

none of your gear is updated live in the class and perks page

[wise vine]

I'm saying there shouldn't be a reason

You shouldn't be better off by just not having it

[twin delta]

sheathed weapon lets you run faster, dagger lets you attack faster

[torn orchid]

rogue moves fast enough and can do it while inve so why i ask ?

[twin delta]

you also deal more damage with your fists if you don't have the poison weapon or dagger mastery trait

[wise vine]

poison applies on fists

I've checked

[twin delta]

ye

all attacks

[torn orchid]

thats just dumb

[twin delta]

you ever dip your hands in toxic materials to then punch a guy?

[worldly goblet]

He is simply proving a point, not speaking in practicality, point being every class is dependent on their weapon except rogue.

[torn orchid]

rogue is perfectly balanced

[twin delta]

i have

[wise vine]

This

[twin delta]

wizard isn't dependent on weapon

[wise vine]

The weapon rogue begins with is so painfully underwhelming you can make arguments for foregoing it entirely

[worldly goblet]

Spells lol

[wise vine]

You can't cast with your hands

[twin delta]

sorry i mixed up thoughts

[wise vine]

Your starting staff is your casting focus

[worldly goblet]

All good

[twin delta]

cleric isn't dependent on weapon if you're going for undead

[torn orchid]

and thats cause he can invi and move and can get up close without detection with darkened dungeon ares sounds stupid and you just want to max raise a meta

[twin delta]

you can just smite+prayer and punch with fists and it does alright

your damage output is slightly better than using the mace

[worldly goblet]

Especially with alcohol build 🍸 🍷 🍸

[twin delta]

'cause the mace is so slow

yeyeye

[wise vine]

I'd argue thats a much stronger trade off for the cleric, due to the fact their buffs like Divine Smite are foregone

[twin delta]

i think it's a bit bs for morningstar to be slightly faster than the flanged mace

[wise vine]

You can play cleric without spells, but I'm more speaking on the fact you don't even need an alternitive platstyle or build on rogue

Rogues weapon is just so bad you can go without it

[twin delta]

hmm...

eh, having the reach is alright

similar to torch vs unarmed

finding a shortsword for damage, using the knife for tight areas

would rather just have throwing knives be a secondary that reloads like arrows

[wise vine]

I think that would be interesting

I like that throwing knives apply rupture

[twin delta]

they also apply precise strike

or weakpoint

forgot the name

[worldly goblet]

I do feel giving rogue a more damaging weapon would be unbalanced if all players are in starting gear, since rogues strength us in its skills and gamelan, doesn't matter what damage you have when you're behind them and now they got rupture and poison stacks lol

[wise vine]

Well the weapon I suggested wasn't more damaging

[twin delta]

at lv1 rogue so far has been the weakest class for me

[wise vine]

I said I wanted a Rapier with the same damage, merely because the longer range gives you a reason not to just go monk mode

[twin delta]

but it outpaced cleric once it hit lv5 and i could synergize skills

[worldly goblet]

Or even just more of them, I feel like rogue should be able to opt out of taking torches, for the sneakeyness

[twin delta]

free lantern

[torn orchid]

so every class is just a mid range melee champ ?

[twin delta]

give rogue lantern dammit

it's so good for sneaking

[wise vine]

Maybe if rogue spawned with a gray stiletto instead of a rondel it might be a stronger case

Fast enough to apply poison much quicker

[twin delta]

upgrading the base actually won't do much

[worldly goblet]

Stiletto go brr

[twin delta]

part of the problem is rogue having the most limited weapon proficiencies in the game

cleric can at least pick up quarterstaff or war maul

they can go big smash

and wizard can go pyromaniac with crystal ball and sword

but rogue has dual wielding knives, or dual wielding rapier and shortsword

nothing else

[wise vine]

I dont think there would be a problem with giving Rogues a survival bow, given the fact they already have ranged options when they spawn and don't exactly get the insane speed and utility out of bows ranger do

[twin delta]

ye

[wise vine]

Same with how Wizard can use crossbow

[twin delta]

give 'em the survival bow and basic crossbow

they have those proficiencies in D&D

and this game's obtuse decisions were made on that foundation

[prisma dock]

Rouge is kinda ass til level 5 also your fists are higher dps than ur starting dagger

[twin delta]

higher paper dps

in the field that precise hitbox and extended range is vital

[worldly goblet]

I saw some dude talking about giving rogues a hand crossbow, I like the idea, just keep damage real low, this way rogues can be more useful in team fights if the can't flank, and in the early game can actually abuse their speed, doesn't really matter how fast you are when you have to kiss a barb to damage them.

[prisma dock]

But rouge at 5-10 needs nothing but a rapier to wipe lobby’s

[twin delta]

you don't have to crouch to stab a spider, you do have to crouch to punch it

[wise vine]

His damage would already be low due to his stat spread

[twin delta]

man you've been in some real easy lobbies then

[graceful frost]

yeah, or maybe survival bow or somethin

[twin delta]

talking goblin cave?

[prisma dock]

Barb can’t touch you cause your so fast ye

In 3v3s no can’t solo wipe

[wise vine]

Thats why Rage is useful

[twin delta]

barb with bardiche outreaches your rapier, so that's wrong

also the franciscan axe

[prisma dock]

You can still put run rage axe swing if you rapier and they never touch you

[wise vine]

Barb + Rage is a speedy boi

[twin delta]

slows you down enough for them to catch you without rage

[wise vine]

And to be fair to the Rogue, if they mess up that distance, that axe headshot is a one way ticket to the forever box

[twin delta]

yep

[graceful frost]

also savage roar slows down players lol, barb very speedy

[twin delta]

hell, a raged body shot will drop you if you're below 90%

[prisma dock]

Axe head shot on anything is a insta kill tbh

My barb is rolling 190 damage head shots rn I think

[wise vine]

That's my point, a barb shouldn't fear a rogue with a Rapier lol

Theyre like a fly

Just swat them

[twin delta]

you can't survive two limb shots either unless in the raider armor or uh... red/yellow armor

[prisma dock]

Ye but in goblin caves like 90% of players are unkitted and easy kills

[twin delta]

yeah i thought you were talking about goblin caves

that's not a good metric

[prisma dock]

Yah ya lose sometimes but ya should be winning 60-70% of the time

[twin delta]

also barbs go into goblin caves kitted to pub stomp

[prisma dock]

I saw someone with a grey ping sword kill a full kitted rubysilver barb

Cause he ranked every trap lmao

[twin delta]

sounds like a scrub to me then

[prisma dock]

He was probably just overconfident

[twin delta]

prob

[minor crescent]

fix rubber banding issues with servers

[twin delta]

the rubber banding got real bad last night

[prisma dock]

And first time on map

Was hilarious to watch tho

[twin delta]

i kept getting force pulled into enemy attacks from 10m away

[minor crescent]

i just got one tapped by an axe trap on my wiz lol

was way past it too lol

[twin delta]

rough

[prisma dock]

Oof

[twin delta]

this actually would get fixed with rollback, but you'd run into a few more phantom hits if the servers are unstable

[median owl]

@hardy wadi Explain why seeing someone without skin is bad

i really want to hear this

[twin delta]

means they're a zombie or skeleton

spooky

[hardy wadi]

Uve made the suggestion multiple times, it got equally down voted the last time too

[twin delta]

rollback isn't a community based decision though?

[hardy wadi]

Skins are an incentive for achievement, if u can just turn em off, they're meaningless

[twin delta]

because only fgc people actually understand what it is

oh y'meant skins

oop

[median owl]

If there is a cosmetic, and it helps in a fight or seeing someone it will give an advantage and that is pay to win my friend

[hardy wadi]

If ur confused cuz a players a naked skeleton, that's really on you

[wise vine]

As it stands currently it's an objective disadvantage due to the skins having different stats

Seeing a skeleton player means higher magic resist lower physical resist

[torn orchid]

yea mobs skelle dont have util

[hardy wadi]

U can tell what a player is just from their weapon

[median owl]

does not rly change the overall stats

[worldly goblet]

But it's not, you don't pay you get in game currency by playing, and the skins have actual stat buffs for equipping then

[median owl]

still why do you think most of skeleton skins are naked?

[wise vine]

Players have a unique way of standing and a unique walk cycle

Not to mention weapons unique to them

[median owl]

thats true but in a milisecond when someone pops up u cant see thoose things

[twin delta]

skins do actually change the item they modify

blue torch for example has less light casting

[hardy wadi]

If a skeleton is naked, they're at a disadvantage cuz they have no dmg resist, they don't gain more than they lose just by "confusing" you

[twin delta]

actively doesn't show light as far, and not just from being blue light

[worldly goblet]

Cause it's fun as hell to be a skele boy lol, and if you're worried about that millisecond reaction time wouldn't the response be to bonk them on the head either way?

[wise vine]

I'd argue the blue torch is a disadvantage due to the fact it is instantly recognizable as not part of the environment

[twin delta]

i think it'd be funny if skeleton skin made undead not target you

[wise vine]

So you know a player was there

[twin delta]

that's the trade-off

you won't agro mobs as easily with blue torch

but you'll get noticed by players quicker

[wise vine]

Man, I've had mobs aggro me through floors and ceilings, I think the light from my torch is the least of my issues lol

[twin delta]

some mobs do actually patrol and examine sounds they hear

goblins for example will move to where they hear something to look for what caused it

[wise vine]

I think it needs some tweaking, I've seen a few skele mages fireball the floor under them to try and hit a player on another level

And then promptly die to afterburn

[twin delta]

if it's in the same room then that's their pathing not taking priority

common when rubberbanding is happening

room being top-down on the minimap

since that's how the game treats 'em

•smokebombs should work on skelly archers

MY MAN

also i do like how smoke's cloud lasts just a bit longer than the cooldown

so you can just have a permanent cloud up as a threat

lol, bless being seen as a better haste spell is so dumb

less than a 10% movement speed boost from getting agility, it just lasts longer

[wise vine]

Bless Is kinda meh

it's nice, but nothing super impactful

[graceful frost]

@queen oracle can you just alt and drag a bag of gold and withdraw 10? its easy enough already

[graceful frost]

i have seen them throw fireballs through wals. along with the goblin mages lol

[twin delta]

it's just well rounded and is a psuedo +3all deal

[hoary breach]

Please add squads 4 man

[twin delta]

it's real good for when you know you'll be in a fight for a bit

[wise vine]

It's certainly nice, I just think things like Protection and Divine Strike are far more impactful

[twin delta]

agreed

[twin delta]

that's a desync that's common with using wifi

your game hasn't updated the mage position properly 'cause the packet kept getting lost

[wise vine]

I have trouble justifying the cast unless it's preemptive, mostly because i know the downtime while we're in a fight could lead to me not casting something more helpful like Lesser Heal or Holy Light

[twin delta]

but servers say the mage is in the other position

[graceful frost]

im on ethernet. and like I have seen it go strait through fully closed doors. might have been more last playtest with skeelton mages, but has happened with goblin ones

[twin delta]

you can have an ethernet plugged into the wireless router and still be on wifi

[wise vine]

I'm not sure if they ever will add it, but if Paladin was added I think an Aura of Courage around them that had the effect of Bless would be amazing as a class perk

Maybe as a cool down thing

[twin delta]

need to make sure the wired connection is prioritized

[graceful frost]

it works lol im on ethernet

[twin delta]

not works, prioritized

[rustic sentinel]

you on satellite for suree

[twin delta]

it's like audio channels on the pc being default device

if there's a hiccup in your internet connection and the wifi is the one prioritized then your ethernet connection is shunted for wireless

so you prioritize ethernet to prevent that from happening

it's not like a game console where it automatically prioritizes the wire

the other alternative is your computer is struggling to process the game or your connection to the server is real bad

so you'd need to change video settings or which server you connect to

if you're in the states, toggling between east and west coast is the go-to

'cause those nodes get overloaded at different times in the day

[graceful frost]

u wanna stop actin like my crap isnt set up right?

you dont know anything about my set up lmao.

[sly vessel]

Why is it that every minute or so I'm kicked out of my game and put back at main screen?

[twin delta]

commonly when people have those issues, those are the reasons why

if you voice that you're having the issue, i'm going to let you know the common solutions for it

[sly vessel]

So no fix

[graceful frost]

yeah and I am not? its not an issue with my ethernet set up right

[twin delta]

also that's your connection to the main server not getting the handshake

[graceful frost]

I don't need your solution stop acting like you know its my issue when I never asked for support about it. If it actually wasnt connected I would but it is

[twin delta]

if you haven't tried verifying steam files then try that. otherwise it's just regional stability again

[graceful frost]

man I do not care

stop tryna give solutions. I get ur tryna help but my stuff is set up fine so just stop

[twin delta]

if the same thing was common across the board, then i wouldn't be assuming its your issue for one

but it's not, so i did

[graceful frost]

also have had it happen to many other people who has ethernet set up. Im not in here for random tech support when there is no tech issue or actual issue in the first place

not asking for help, this has nothing to do with the original thing. stop trying man

[sly vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[graceful frost]

ik your trying to help, but I dont need it. my stuff works perfectally fine. You dont gotta try to explain urself I get u were just trying to help and I am saying I dont need it and you can just stop

[twin delta]

fine, but don't complain about mages hitting you through walls and floors

otherwise someone else will have that same response

[graceful frost]

not complaining really. have seen it happen, not because of internet or anything. how about don't assume that I am having internet issues and that I have crap set up wrong. was not complaining at all, was joking about it

I get I sound like a jerk for yellin at you for tryna help, but simply I have said I do not need it, and you dont need to explain anything and you still are, and its frankly getting pretty annoying

[sly vessel]

so anyway, about a real issue that isn't game mechanics

no clue, can't be in game for more than 2-3 minutes before being pushed back to main screen

[twin delta]

i'll look into if others have solved that issue

[sly vessel]

clean install, ethernet connection with solid speed, more than this needs at least. Didnt see any network settings when I was able to get at settings

[twin delta]

got an antivirus or firewall program?

if so, might need to whitelist dark and darker for it

beyond that, verify files or reinstall are the last two i'm seeing that have worked

[sly vessel]

👍

[twin delta]

oh that's a good suggestion

combine lockpick and trap senses into one perk and call it 'thieves tools'

doesn't break the class by letting them be competent in both combat and stealth for free

actually allows the rat rogue to be stronger since they can take that fifth perk to let them take care of enemies a smidge easier like ambush or poison

murderhobo rogue doesn't run either perk usually so it won't touch that build either

[wise vine]

Pure damage rogue would never touch a pure utility perk yeah, lol

Most take Stealth as their 4th

Let's them land Backstab with some more consistency

The reason I want a combination of Trap Detection and Lockpick expert is that if you choose both right now you have to give up a lot of the things that make them viable solo, like poison/ambush or backstab

And it just feels like a raw deal for the Rogue to have to foregoe Sneak Attack to use Thieves Tools

they already have questionable utility, and this way there would actually be a bit more of an incentive to have a rogue as a part of the team comp to prevent unnecessary trap damage and some looting help

[twin delta]

mhm

oh i have an idea

[vale pivot]

Rogue should start with 1 or 2 lockpicks for utility default. Untradable ofc.

[twin delta]

there's no untradeable utility or equipment

[vale pivot]

Those utility perks are such a waste of slots lol

[twin delta]

it's just unstash-able

[vale pivot]

That's what I meant

[twin delta]

honestly, a pointless one

[vale pivot]

What?

[twin delta]

for one: lockpick trait lets you freely learn the minigame, same with traps

giving players just the item for one chance to try

awful

two tries isn't enough either

[vale pivot]

Lockpick perk is garbage and waste of a slot

[twin delta]

'cause you need to land it in the sweet spot to save your lockpick

then don't pick it

easy

[vale pivot]

I dont

[twin delta]

then why complain about it?

[vale pivot]

Which is why Lockpicks are a better alternative for the class

[twin delta]

we should have a merchant that sells lockpicks though

[vale pivot]

Sorry if you disagree

[jagged thunder]

youd still be breaking all your picks

[vale pivot]

No need to be a butch about it

[twin delta]

it's not a point of disagreement, it's actually good design to have the perk

because that minigame is rough

[vale pivot]

I mean if you suck at lockpicking sounds like a skill issue

[twin delta]

especially when the server is unstable and you're fighting against a needle a full second ahead in the future

[vale pivot]

I'm not saying remove the perk

[primal idol]

Rogue should have a parry ability. Combine it's secondary and primary attack buttons and make right click a parry button. On top of that, I'd love to see controller support on release. Because I have a medical condition that doesn't allow me to play K&M for more than 5mins thus eliminating any fun to be had with the game, plus controllers in these kinda games feel better all around.

[twin delta]

parrying should be innate on weapons

[vale pivot]

I'm saying rogue should get a couple lockpicks like rangers get campfires

[twin delta]

we already got awful blocks with bardiche, spear, and quarterstave

[vale pivot]

Perk can stay

[twin delta]

parrying can be an even worse block, like the buckler

[vale pivot]

And traps

[twin delta]

for real, just combining them to have thieves tools is so good

[vale pivot]

Ranger get 2 utils

Rogue gets 0 lul

[wise vine]

I learned the mini game by having 2500 hours in Dead by Daylight

😎

[twin delta]

trap master on ranger should allow bear trap retrieval

yeah you touched dead by daylight before they made the minigame easier

i did not

feel so feeble

my picks, fragile

[wise vine]

The dark and darker Skill Checks are far harder than the Dbd equivalent

[twin delta]

by chests, locked

[vale pivot]

Minigame is so easy just pay attention

[twin delta]

oh even the original?

for someone who doesn't pick the perk you sure sound confident about being able to access the minigame

[wise vine]

DBD's skillcheck system has the sound effect play just before the circle shows up, and can only spawn the skill check zone on the opposite end of the dial from where your arrow spawns

Which gives you enough feedback to reliably hit it

[vale pivot]

I am confident, don't need the perk

[twin delta]

here's the stats on the minigame btw

[wise vine]

The dark and darker ones are like a jumpscare

[vale pivot]

Plus it's also a waste of a slot

I'm no rat rogue

No point in sacrificing damage for greens lol

[wise vine]

I'm not against rogue getting lockpicks and having the perk tbh, but the lockpick perk should also be the trap disabling perk

That way it's less of a waste of a slot

More utilities for sacrificing damage

[vale pivot]

Not a bad idea

But I've never even seen a minigamed trap

Or hit one anyway

[twin delta]

you get 16 frames to hit spacebar at a random point in the meter, with the zone being randomized between a 270 degree arc and a red sweet spot that only matters for lockpicks. average human reaction time is reasonable to frame 10 on consistent range. randomized range means the reaction time is now frame 13 on average. now this is also before server ping comes into the mix, which means an extra frame of delay for input and feedback per every 25ms

[vale pivot]

Tldr

[twin delta]

so if you have an average reaction time and your ping to the server at that moment is higher than 60

[vale pivot]

I'm fast ig

[twin delta]

you're not allowed to win the minigame

[vale pivot]

I do all the time

[wise vine]

https://www.mistersyms.com/tools/gitgud/

[twin delta]

how can you do that when you don't take the perk

[vale pivot]

Skill issue

[wise vine]

Here's a way to practice the mini game btw

[primal idol]

yeah these utility perks need more utilities added to 'em in order to make it worth while(example being the Lockpick Perk to stay with the example). Some of them are just so barebones it would never be worth taking over something that'll provide damage buff, etc

[vale pivot]

Uhh lockpicks

[twin delta]

oh yeah here's the other thing: the sweet spot is not even active for a full frame

it's not even active for a full 50ms

[vale pivot]

You don't need to hit the sweet spot

[twin delta]

if you got lockpicks you want to

that makes it save the lockpick once the game is over

[vale pivot]

Oh whatever

Don't care

Thought it just opened it instantly sometimes

[twin delta]

this minigame website is so slow

like i only missed skill checks to type that last message, and the rest were all 'great'

that's a 36 frame duration needle and with 0 ping as well

[primal idol]

you have an alternative?

[twin delta]

so it's only really useful for building the habit of randomized zone

trap sense lets you disable traps and uses the same minigame

tons of trap hallways on the edges of the map so you're not gonna get bothered by people who're looking for fights near the center

that's the current alternative

you do also get experience for disabling traps btw. counts as unlocking chests

[primal idol]

I'm talking outside the game like that link above for people that wanna practice

[twin delta]

oh, yeah there isn't one then

so it's good for building the mentality and awareness, but not good for the actual dexterity required

[primal idol]

Okay then

[twin delta]

it'd be a bit better if the minigame wasn't just one after another after another with no change in the pace

i know in dbd the skillchecks show up at random points during the generator fix

same deal in dark and darker

[fair yew]

what are you trying to say? wipe length doesnt have anything to do with that fact. and its not league just cuz you cant stash 1000000 gold. were you trying to make a point or..? I have to assume you are underage or something

[shrewd sedge]

would be nice if it wasn't so easy to get stuck on things when you try to jump over something

[marble schooner]

Make the sprint better lol, get run down by a zerk with 2 hander out while I'm geared put away

[young bobcat]

Duo Dungeon

no need for discussion 🙂

[heady vale]

forgotten castle

[restive flower]

Why don’t people think Wizard needs a cooldown? The spamming is insane. I was a decent geared fighter and a default Wizard spammed fireball, haste, and zap several times each in seconds and I couldn’t do anything. My speed wasn’t enough to catch up or get around a corner. But he can just spam spam spam until I die. Makes no sense.

[fallen basin]

In seconds right…. wizards already have a chargup time for every spell

[marble schooner]

Most people don't think and simply enjoy being the devil's advocate

[fallen basin]

In the time i get maybe a fireball ready a barb is already in my face

[restive flower]

Not much of a charge up time, really. It was pretty instant. I’m talking fireball, haste, zap, fireball, zap, zap, zap, in about 5 seconds. I had no chance.

[marble schooner]

They need to make the class slow it's a joke to get run down by a full gear zerk with the heaviest weaken known to man and can run 20 mph

[restive flower]

Barbarians should be slower than fighters, fighters are just a downgrade from barb as it stands

[wise vine]

Is there any reason for every arrow except the center arrow on Multishot to deal less damage?

I thought it would be an interesting close range option for basically using the bow as a shotgun, but as it stands it's extremely obvious there is a MASSIVE damage penalty on the arrows when fired in this way other than the center arrow

This is incredibly weird considering none of the other arrow effects work like this, even quickshot does full damage on all 3 arrows

The spread is so wide the chances you land more than 3 of them at once on a single target is slim, anyways

So having them be penalized just feels bad

[restive flower]

I feel like multishot is pretty bad, it def needs something to make it worth choosing over quickshot. Quick shot is the only good choice rn.

[wise vine]

I think a great ability for ranger once we get spells for them would be Hunters Mark

Tag a single target and deal more damage to them

[nocturne shadow]

Well clearly I hit nerve somewhere or perhaps are you underage ? Wanted to make a point. Basically what happened I hit 7k gold, money bags takes about 60-70% of my stash what do I do in that situation if I don’t lose equipment? I cannot loot jewels cause it’s not worth it- more money less space not to mention about equipment itself that takes space too even if I would like to buy pre prepared sets in case I die just to not spent 2h trading right after I die to get items I want/need I just don’t have enough space to do so. Also at this point whene you need to chose to either loot only equipment or all the jewels game is losing meaning somehow it’s becoming empty without something to look forward. Of course I could trade with friend so I can move my money to other characters and again “have fun” but I don’t think that’s the resolve is it?

[plain token]

I mean, multishot is good for reloading & pve. You can easily 5 shot mobs

[analog nest]

It’s a real good thing people like you ain’t in charge of balancing games

[shrewd sedge]

not to mention the almost lack of differences in tiers on how the equipment is save for 'enchantments'

[nocturne shadow]

True, that’s why I keep even green stuf f if it gives me 5 magical power cause it’s just good- at some point better than purple stuff

[shrewd sedge]

I had green boots that was 3.7% armor penetration and you could get that same % on blue tier

[nocturne shadow]

I get it’s still thing in progress right I clearly didn’t came here to argue with anyone I made a suggestion-someone answered - I did the same maybe I formed my sentence there a little bit arogant/weird I don’t know,anyway that’s just how I feel about current stash

[shrewd sedge]

also second wind and at least one and a half food ration should be available at the camp

[deft scroll]

is the suggestion thing not working?

[twin delta]

been running hot all day

so it's likely in need of a reset

[rugged pilot]

Case in point about pruples in goblin caves

Just killed a full purple wizard in starter gear + a longsword I baught for 12 gold

[twin delta]

that is a wizard

[rugged pilot]

Dude wiped the entire lobby untill he met me, spammed his spells and then tried to haste away before getting franc axed and killed

[twin delta]

they got the same health as a bat

[rugged pilot]

The round before that I spectated a starter cleric legitimately ruin a purple fighter with spacing

[twin delta]

that's always great to see

[rugged pilot]

I also had a naked rogue run up to backstab me in one of these matches and killed a skeleton with the first attack of longsword

heard footsteps, turned and oneshotted the rogue with the second attack in the chain

Also, in the last patch I didn't see any notes about goblin cave map layout but there is a new ramp in the beetle + archer shrineroom

very, very useful

[fast rover]

Anyone facing the trade checkbox bug too?

[rugged pilot]

Not seen this one, screeny?

[tepid spoke]

i HATE stutter walking

[sweet bramble]

You know, I do think the rouge should have the ability or a passive to use a short bow, kinda weird that they don't.

[tepid spoke]

rogue with a shortbow or any bow of any kind is too strong

an invisible enemy that can shoot arrows

[sweet bramble]

Well if you click to to draw the bow you lose invisibility immediately

Just like swinging

[tepid spoke]

yes but that's the problem

[sweet bramble]

Plus you can remove the ability to use rend specifically for the bow

[tepid spoke]

you deal more damage from behind as rogue with the right setup, so if you shoot an arrow in the back of someones head while you are BEHIND them, wayyy too strong

[sweet bramble]

Yeah but a short bow?

Does about as much if not, less damage then a dagger

[tepid spoke]

also, rogue is supposed to be the rush em down / methodical / gremlin type (my experience)

not the 'haha im going to sit here on a high spot, shoot arrows and go invisible when someone sees me'

[sweet bramble]

You can also say the fighter using every single bow is more broken too.

But I'm not upset about it

[tepid spoke]

still, an invisible class that can use a bow is too strong, especially in this kind of scenario of a game

even if the shortbow does like, 12 damage

[sweet bramble]

But every class is invisable if you just turn off a torch...

Or use a white potion which is easy to find

[tepid spoke]

i don't like the idea, but i can't just say no and expect everyone else to say no as well

it is a suggestion, and if people like the idea, then so be it

[versed vapor]

Rogue also has on hit effect iirc, throwable are enough already, no need for a bow, imho

[tepid spoke]

yeah, throwable with rupture is insane

[sweet bramble]

I understand the concern you have that it might make rouge's some sort of broken or over powered, but thief's iconically usually have a bow, I just think giving the rouge the weakest bow might be a bit more interesting. And I said before, remove the ability to use rupture with a bow

That was the first thing I said

[tepid spoke]

not only is it annoying, but bleed damage is scary no matter what damage it deals because of how rare healing is without a cleric

[analog nest]

Rogue is already strong enough and all you see is rogues asking for more

[tepid spoke]

i'm not asking for more for rogue, i just want stutter walking to be fixed ;(

[versed vapor]

Oh sorry, didn't knew the name of the skill

[sweet bramble]

I think the skill was called rend, they also have a passive poison skill but idk how that works

[tepid spoke]

i guess if it does get implemented, we will have to see how they balance it out

rogue has a skill that hides potions on their belt

[sweet bramble]

Yeah it's important for thief rouge's to hide stuff like that

[versed vapor]

But yeah, having 3 classes with bow seems a bit to much for me

[tepid spoke]

even if it's the weakest one

[sweet bramble]

It might be, though the two range classes both do have melee weapons

So I just thought it would be more interesting I guess.

Barbarian DOESN'T need a range weapon though.

[tepid spoke]

an issue is, with this combination of (Poisoned weapon, Backstab, Ambush) You deal +%30 / +%50 / Poison damage.

Barbarian is just funky

[sweet bramble]

I saw someone suggested to be able to throw weapons and I thought that was awful, like I know people wanna rip mechanics from chivalry and stuff but the game is not meant to be like that at all. If barbarians could throw a weapon they'd just 1v3 with disgusting efficiency... Or like make bum rushing even more annoying

[toxic bolt]

Allow us to sort items while reloading/meditating/etc?

[wispy spindle]

Posted this in the suggestion tab, what do you guys think about the idea?

"With the increasing amount of players taking pride and enjoy playing solo. Implementing a "SOLO" icon or tag/name color for people who have managed to never queue up with other players would be a very cool status symbol to have and allows players to get even more recognition if they are on the leaderboard with the solo tag as well. Similar to the Ironman tag in OSRS"

[sweet bramble]

That wouldn't make sense..

[wispy spindle]

Right now people are putting "solo" in their names instead. I'm not even a solo player and will probably never be, but it would be a seriously cool feat if we can see who has never played premades with others and somehow manage to get high on leaderboards

[sweet bramble]

Solo players can just turn off invite features so that they never get bothered. I'm sure if they ever make guilds/clans for people, they can make their guild tag 'SOLO'. Or something

[forest briar]

a pve only gamemode would be so cool

[sweet bramble]

And the fact that every character ATM needs to have a unique name anyways, people are probably finding it easier to create a character with the name solo added onto it

[wispy spindle]

You are not getting the point.

People take pride in having a "solo" only account. It's a noteworthy feat and playing the game hardmode.

Would you not want to be able to see who has actually managed to play solo only so far and be absolutely amazed by how far they have gotten?

Right now, there is no way to tell.

[sweet bramble]

Well of course not, stats don't exhist ATM

[wispy spindle]

This would simply be a harmless tool that most other games do put in to allow other players to see what you have accomplished.

There are no downsides.

Simply make the player that has never queued up with others have a slightly grayer or darker name or something minor.

It would revolutionize how people play and having played "solo only" will be a very huge thing.

This might be something to put in as content down the road.

Has worked extremely well in other games.

[tepid spoke]

yeah but then there will be the groups who specifically target solo players

[wispy spindle]

How do you "target" a solo player when you can't see their name? XD?

In the game

[sweet bramble]

It wouldn't revolutionize it, there will always be solo players, but people will always gravitate towards friends. You're asking for head hunters to really just hurt solo players

[tepid spoke]

and with this type of game, and how the community is... especially in places like australia... it would demoralize playing solo

[wispy spindle]

How would you see who is solo in the game? Are we playing the same game? We have nameplates now? 😄

[tepid spoke]

when you spawn in at the bar, you can see player names

[sweet bramble]

Like people already try to snipe twitch streamers obviously.

[tepid spoke]

you can also insect players there too

[wispy spindle]

That's fine. Nobody will ever go out of their way to find a solo if ur a group of 3 ever.

[tepid spoke]

you sure?

[wispy spindle]

You always go to the closest fight you can hear.

Yes

[tepid spoke]

clearly you haven't played much then

[wispy spindle]

When you play a 3 man stack, you just go to nearest sound.

[sweet bramble]

I've hunted down solos

Like they're the most annoying flight risks possible

You HAVE to get rid of them

[tepid spoke]

i've also hunted down solos, mainly because i know if i go after a full group i'd probably die

[sweet bramble]

Exactly

[wispy spindle]

Ya, that means ur solo or duo

And

[tepid spoke]

even as a trio, some players aren't as confident

[wispy spindle]

This change that I'm suggesting, has nothing to do with what you are doing.

[tepid spoke]

some people just don't have the ego to say 'Yeah im better than that group'

[sweet bramble]

The only time I let a solo get away is if it's a rouge because it's actually impossible to catch up

[wispy spindle]

You are not able to see who is "solo" and trying to find that guy only lol.

Inspecting people at the bar and finding out they are solo that way

And changing how you play

[forest briar]

ok but hear me out pve only would solve so many balance issues

[tepid spoke]

^

[wispy spindle]

Because u saw a rogue

[sweet bramble]

Pve would be ignoring balance issues.

[rugged pilot]

Yeah bro

[wispy spindle]

What? No. You can't have PVE only, ever.

[rugged pilot]

They should add farming aswell

[tepid spoke]

maybe something like a PvE event where you go into a dungeon and fight a boss

[sweet bramble]

Yeah breeze

[rugged pilot]

Farmer class so we can go to the Abandoned Fields and just grow crops all day and sell them for gold

[wispy spindle]

You devalue the players playing solo. This has never worked out well without hurting the PVP aspect.

[sweet bramble]

And they should make a idle simulator in the game

So you can harvest free gold

[rugged pilot]

Its not a PVE game, why should it be a PVE game?

[tepid spoke]

WRONG

it's a PvPvE

still technically a PvE

[rugged pilot]

It has PvE in it

It is not a PvE game

[sweet bramble]

PvEvP

[tepid spoke]

you can go an entire game without the PvP effect

[twin delta]

i wanna point out that backstab bonus is only enough to be a problem on longbows and windlass crossbows

[rugged pilot]

You can play Hunt Showdown without shooting your gun, its still a shooter

[sweet bramble]

Thank you for pointing it out beverage

[twin delta]

if rogues are restricted to normal crossbows and survival bows then the damage output on the backstab is on par with them getting you with a knife combo

[rugged pilot]

If WIZARD can use a crossbow and Rogue cant

[rugged pilot]

thats cap

[tepid spoke]

either way, it's not our job to argue over a suggestion if it's good or not, we should leave that to the devs

[twin delta]

discussing the ways to improve a suggestion is the point of this channel

workshopping ideas

[south cliff]

Please put back to 16 the number of players per game. Lower than 16 would be best. Like 14.

[tepid spoke]

yes but arguing over how useless a suggestion is if it's a basic suggestion isn't worth our time

[twin delta]

also i only just now realized that the basic hunter campfire lets you just stay out in the swarm for a while

think that might be part of why they nerfed it before, then buffed it again

[tepid spoke]

i just still want stutter walking to be fixed

oh god i hate it

[twin delta]

rubberbanding is gonna unfortunately be a problem unless they change to rollback netcode

[tepid spoke]

i don't think this is just rubberbanding, because i barely have any internet issues with the game

[twin delta]

the stutter walking is because the server tries forcing your pc to realize where it is, but the packet gets lost and dumped because of it

[tepid spoke]

but when i move on a slight incline, sometimes it just stutters and i get STUCK IN A WALL AND DIE TO THE GOD DAMN SWARM

[twin delta]

yeah i described why that's happening

[tepid spoke]

i still hate it

[twin delta]

same

[wise vine]

How would you guys feel about a Warlock class being an Anti-Cleric, things like Bane being the reverse of Bless, Inflict Wounds instead of Lesser heal, Curse instead of Cleanse, ect.

[sweet bramble]

Be lucky this is a slower paced game

[twin delta]

i'd rather just have cleric use polarity spells like holy light

so bless allies, bane enemies

[sweet bramble]

If this was FAST HIGH SPEED FANTASY ULTRA GAME the. Rubber banding would be nightmare fuel

[twin delta]

cleanse allies, bind enemies

[tepid spoke]

i feel like it would be too strong, especially if healing is uncommon to come by

[wise vine]

I enjoy the idea of a debuff focused caster instead of a purely supportive caster

[twin delta]

that's the thing though, a debuff caster is still support

[tepid spoke]

maybe just implement those spells for wizard or cleric, instead of making a whole new character for it

[wise vine]

They are, but it's a much different feel to hinder than to help

[twin delta]

support roles are widening the gap and applying an advantage between the team and opposition

[rugged pilot]

doubt warlock will be here soon tbh

[sweet bramble]

"what if wizard could spec into necromancer class."

The entire discord:

[rugged pilot]

We already know of sorcerer

[twin delta]

sorcerer is gonna get eschew materials and will be able to cast spells unarmed

THEN we'll see a real wave of salt

[wise vine]

My class wishlist goes like; Sorcerer, Bard, Druid, Paladin, Warlock

[rugged pilot]

I wouldn't say we are gonna see another caster for a while before and after that

[twin delta]

bard i hope is a semi-caster

[tepid spoke]

i like the thought idea of Bard druid and paladin

but sorcerer and warlock seems a bit excessive