suggestion-discussion

[deep jacinth]

That's drag still right?

[lusty wren]

I think sometimes it spawns to close to the start 😄

[shell robin]

Same

its like unreactable sometimes

[shell robin]

yeah

[deep jacinth]

Lockpicking is shit imo

It makes the game worse

In terms of lockpicks never spawn

You only get one chance and it's broken

The locked chests aren't always even having great loot

Like there's small lockboxes and they suck

[sullen pecan]

lol all the fighter shitters downvoting my suggestion

[deep jacinth]

Rogues get lockpick and it's dumb because like that's basically all lockpick is for

Carrying lockpicks almost isn't a thing

[shell robin]

What is your suggestion

[lusty wren]

You got to learn their spawns they are static. You can pull up the map to see them

[deep jacinth]

They are really???

[lusty wren]

Yes

[deep jacinth]

What

Mind blown

[shell robin]

There's always one in that library room

[deep jacinth]

My no knwoledge sucks

[lusty wren]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-01-N

[deep jacinth]

I know all the rooms

But putting it together is hard

[lusty wren]

That shows all lockpick spawns

[shell robin]

This is my first playtest ngl

[shell robin]

MF tarkov map

[lusty wren]

Ya lol

there is one for gobbo cave also

shows the static exit

and loot spawns

[shell robin]

Static exit?

what

[lusty wren]

LOL

there is a spot int hat dungeon that is a big gate

[shell robin]

wtf

[lusty wren]

if you go up it you exit and it caves in behind you

its a one person use

[deep jacinth]

Yeah I saw that

[white cliff]

And there’s another close lock pick attached to bat room. It’s on the small bookshelf in the double hallway module.

[shell robin]

I didn't know that

[deep jacinth]

Figured that was the exit

That wasn't a blue portal

[white cliff]

Library, bat room, mummy modules are in proximity depending on map variation.

Very nice.

[deep jacinth]

I should learn that stuff

My map knowledge sucks

[lusty wren]

It comes with time

[deep jacinth]

In terms of creating a whole picture in my brain

[lusty wren]

I couldnt get a grasp on it until I looked at the map. The second I did everything kind of clicked together

[shell robin]

How I feel about tarkov ngl

[deep jacinth]

I played way too many hours not to be able to navigate the map and know where things are to be fair

[shell robin]

How many hours you got?

[deep jacinth]

I'm like I forget how many for the last one

But like 60

[lusty wren]

I said the exact same thing. beore i saw the map

[deep jacinth]

I guess 60 hours isn't that long

200 hours is where you're really really comfortable with a game

[shell robin]

This your first play test?

[deep jacinth]

Unless it's like some 3d chess game

[shell robin]

Or did you play some other ones

[deep jacinth]

2nd

[shell robin]

ah

nice

I'm at 35 hours

[deep jacinth]

I played the tail end of the last one

[shell robin]

I no lifed this shit for like 3 days straight then I got busy fr

[lusty wren]

I did 70 last PT and 48 this one so far

[shell robin]

gyat

[deep jacinth]

This game is the funnest br I've ever played by far

I thought realm royale was fun

[shell robin]

Same

Barely a br imo

[deep jacinth]

That's nothing compared to this

[shell robin]

like it is

but I think its more dungeon crawler

[deep jacinth]

Idk what is a dungeon crawler

It's not like diablo is

In tone

[lusty wren]

Ya, id say I cant think of a game that has came out in the last 10 years that is on par with DaD

[deep jacinth]

Idk in gameplay I'd say br is it's biggest gameplay title

[shell robin]

This game getting game of the year

ez

Well

on pc anyways

[deep jacinth]

Its super fun

But I don't think there's anyhing like exceptional about it in terms of

[shell robin]

"A dungeon crawl is a type of scenario in fantasy role-playing games in which heroes navigate a labyrinth environment (a "dungeon"), battling various monsters, avoiding traps, solving puzzles, and looting any treasure they may find.[1] Video games and board games which predominantly feature dungeon crawl elements are considered to be a genre."

[deep jacinth]

Like gameplay ideas

[shell robin]

I'd agree

[deep jacinth]

It's just really really fun

[shell robin]

They put lots of good concepts together

[deep jacinth]

I don't think it'd deserve it if it did

Doesn't make it not a great game

More deserving than like a call of duty

Though

Why didn't anyone do this already

Is what I want to know

Who saw chivalry didnt think like this would be good as a fantasy game

And a br

[lusty wren]

They tried

[shell robin]

who

[lusty wren]

Expedition Agartha is the same premise

[deep jacinth]

Even though it's a br it feels like less of a br are than our brs

[lusty wren]

But it sucks

[deep jacinth]

I think it has to do with pacing

This game is slower than shit like apex or fortnite

Although there's slower br games as well

[shell robin]

Never heard of it

[deep jacinth]

This game isn't campy slow

[lusty wren]

Not surprised! 😄 Its no where near as good as DaD but its the same exact premise pretty much

[shell robin]

Random rouge in corner would like to disagree with you

[deep jacinth]

Lol

I wonder if they know you can do that ladder shit

No way that was intentional

[sand vortex]

Idk about game of the year, maybe if it gets majorly cleaned up. I appreciate that it's in... Beta? Alpha? But it's pretty exceptionally jank at the moment. Still fun, but plenty of jank

[shell robin]

I think they should keep it tbh

[lofty temple]

what about solo player ? bigger map? bosses, content, gold treasure like trio have after bosses? i have probably thousand run on cave, but its like 10% of the game content of what trio have.

[deep jacinth]

I kind of agree

[sand vortex]

Ladder shit?

[lofty temple]

do we have info about future for us ( solo player) ?

[lusty wren]

You can solo the norm dungeon

[shell robin]

I think Ranger is easiest to solo

or wizard

[lusty wren]

The future is you are lucky you got your own dungeon. 😄

[lofty temple]

i'm too bad for this 1v3 uU their is ex pro player who can t win at 3 imagine me in solo ahah

[deep jacinth]

I found wizard soloing super hard

Im not a good wizard though

I'm shit tier

[shell robin]

I haven't played wizard, that was just a guess lol

[lusty wren]

Most would be surprised. Many find soloing normal dungeont o be easier than gobbo cave

[lofty temple]

yeah wizard probably because of aoe we can 1v3 probably, but not vs player full purple.

[deep jacinth]

I would agree I think

I see solo wizards from time to time

[sand vortex]

Wizards can merc entire squads but you have to be gigabrained

[lofty temple]

i main fighter now

[deep jacinth]

You have to be a good wizard yeah

[lusty wren]

ya a good wiz can wreck

[shell robin]

I got a friend that runs the rondell dagger

[sand vortex]

Rangers just have to not be allergic to hitting people

[shell robin]

for a main

[lusty wren]

My group plays a comp we call the lightning rod

[deep jacinth]

I'd say ranger is the best solo class

[lusty wren]

its fun

[shell robin]

Headshots only fr

[lusty wren]

YOu build the barb for magic resistance and have him charge groups. Wizard chain lightnings his own barb to spread to enemy

Its sooo fun

[deep jacinth]

I think any class solo viable

Tbh

Even cleric

[lofty temple]

what about fighter in trio dungeon?

[lusty wren]

Fighter/cleric are what I solo with in there

[sand vortex]

I mostly turn people into Skyrim guards. Arrows to the knee. Your shield ain't that big.

[shell robin]

You guys think they know about the bug where if you step in a bear trap in a door, then get a door closed on you, you get stuck in door and can't move

[lofty temple]

or fighter in hight roll? beucause any sence i go trop normal dungeon i have enought loot in cav for do 100gold

[deep jacinth]

Idk

[lofty temple]

in hight roll you have already survive ?

[deep jacinth]

Rogues are strong because their movement

But warriors was more self sufficient

[lusty wren]

Eh typically if I solo HR its rogue so I can just RAT

Id avoid most fights in HR solo

[sand vortex]

Elaborate

[deep jacinth]

I feel like warriors could be easier to solo with if you're less skilled

[lofty temple]

yeah thats why for take fun we need solo for all content in future

[deep jacinth]

And rogues are better the stronger player you are

[lofty temple]

and share stash from bank

[deep jacinth]

@sand vortex there's rooms where you climb on ladders

Like the room with four chambers and the heal shrine

[lusty wren]

Stash is finite because devs want stash management to matter. And so that people arent loot goblins and actually put their gear back into the economy

[deep jacinth]

There's a hidey place up there

You climb up the ladder

[lusty wren]

There are quite a few hidey spots for crouch jumping

[sand vortex]

Ahhhhhh

[deep jacinth]

You can climb up ladders in the library lol

[sand vortex]

Tbh I just think ladders should be climbable. Id even support it being an inventory item

[deep jacinth]

I don't understand crouch jumping at all

I can't do it

[lusty wren]

Jump then hit crouch mid air

you pull ur feet up

[deep jacinth]

Ohhh

Hit crouch mid air

[lusty wren]

ya

[deep jacinth]

I thought I had to Mario haha

[lusty wren]

LOL!

[deep jacinth]

[lusty wren]

Nah, its a great skill to develop because you can really juke people over ledges that some dont realize you can get over

[deep jacinth]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

Great for in hell and you need to heal while being chased by dogs and such

[deep jacinth]

Some guy was jumping over barrels to evade me lmao

I should have had his kneecaps

I'm surprised you aren't on the lesderboard

Why don't you have a blue or red name

Or did you just not claim it in discord or something

[lusty wren]

me?

[deep jacinth]

Yeah

You clearly have a lot of knowledge

[lusty wren]

Eh, I just dont have time to grind the leaderboard so havent tried

[deep jacinth]

That's cool too

[lusty wren]

My knowledge outweighs my skill also 😉

[shell robin]

Jump crouching in this game is so weird

[deep jacinth]

You know a lot I noticed

I don't believe it

[shell robin]

typically it doesn't change your clearance

[lusty wren]

Dont get me wrong I am not bad. But I got a buddy who puts me to sham

[deep jacinth]

They should add super Mario jump

[shell robin]

But in this game it does

[deep jacinth]

Where you can jump over people

Haha

Goomba stomp them

[lusty wren]

YOu can goomba jump on their head from above cus no fall dmg

[shell robin]

Just fireball the ground as wizard and you do that already fr

Y'all think there should be fall damage or no?

[lusty wren]

I go back and forth tbh

[deep jacinth]

I needed grenade jumping

No

It feels so good to have no fall damage so I say no

Idk I guess it's kind of bs when you have the low ground though

And they don't even want to take the stairs

[shell robin]

I think Sometimes it makes running away too easy

[deep jacinth]

I feel line running away is hard

[lusty wren]

The pursuer can jump too though

[shell robin]

Yeah but not pve

[deep jacinth]

But maybe people better than me do it easy

[lusty wren]

True

[lusty wren]

Depends on the class. Interaction speed is king for escaping

[deep jacinth]

Pve is a joke though

[lusty wren]

rogue can pretty much run from anything if it does it in time

[deep jacinth]

That's true

I hate interaction speed differences tbh

The more and more I play

[lusty wren]

I think its a great side balance tool

[sand vortex]

As someone who played a lot of source engine games, crouch jumping getting you higher is natural to me lol

[deep jacinth]

For what

Well I guess wizard is slow

And wizard is strong

[lusty wren]

the very strong classes are slow

it really helps balance them down without takign away their power

[shell robin]

I came from like apex and cod so its def different for me lol

[deep jacinth]

I don't think so ranger is fast

[amber kernel]

Rogue/Ranger should have a perk that allows them to see hp of mobs

[deep jacinth]

Warrior is relatively fast

[lusty wren]

Ya, I think ranger needs a bit of tuning personally

currently they have to many tools for how hard they hit imo

[deep jacinth]

I wish there were multiple interaction speeds

[shell robin]

same

[deep jacinth]

Certain things should be the same across all

[shell robin]

It should be easier for a jacked barbarian to open this 2 ton chest than it should be for the stick arm rouge fr

[deep jacinth]

I don't know how ranger gets more resourcefulness than rogue

That's stupid

I get the theming thing

[shell robin]

Gotta make do in the wild

[deep jacinth]

But rogue should be the ones opening shit the fastest

[shell robin]

Bro I keep on crashing

[deep jacinth]

Easily

[lusty wren]

Its a choice / balancing though. Like barb can choose to be the fastest looter in the game if it chooses to

[sand vortex]

Smashy smashy

[deep jacinth]

I always choose to

Smash is the best skill in the game

[lusty wren]

ya its very fun destroying everything as a barb

[deep jacinth]

Lol

[lusty wren]

Until a ranger shows up and you wish you didnt break that door down

[sand vortex]

I wish the Warhammer wasn't such tremendous shit

[shell robin]

Can one of y'all give me a pricing on a sword?

[deep jacinth]

I'll break his ranger knee caps

[lusty wren]

This can be hard to do. Some people are willing to overpay for shit so much that its hard to nail a price down

Ive sold shit greens for 400 gold. and ive had great purples take forever to sell

[deep jacinth]

What???

[lusty wren]

Ya sometimes you just never know

[deep jacinth]

Green for 300

Crazy

People are wildin

[lusty wren]

I start everything very high and sometimes you just get bites

[shell robin]

Purp zweihander
58 dmg
1.5 equip speed
1.1 action speed
2 phyiscal dmg

[deep jacinth]

People are selling line +5 greens for like 100 and I'm like no

That's worse than a blue

[lusty wren]

Ya not much, but someone may overpay

[shell robin]

300g?

Not expecting a fortune lol

[lusty wren]

Id start it at 500 for the bites

😄

[deep jacinth]

Lol

I'd put it at 200 if it was me

But idk

[sand vortex]

Yeah price is all nonsense right now

[deep jacinth]

I enjoy the market

[sand vortex]

None of it stays so nobody really cares much

[shell robin]

tru

[lusty wren]

Ya item prices will be vastly different on launch that is for sure

[deep jacinth]

It feels like you can get a multitude of stuff for cheap

[sand vortex]

Selling stuff is aids right now anyway

[deep jacinth]

Just not felling axes

Lol

[sand vortex]

700 people just spam mashing glowing text

[lusty wren]

GLoves are super overpriced on the market its funnyt

[lusty wren]

Ya the filters are a must! Even then thouh sometimes it fast

[deep jacinth]

Boots have to be better than gloves

[sand vortex]

The trade chat.... Has.... Filters?

[shell robin]

Bro I can't find gloves in raid for the life of me

[lusty wren]

BRO!

😄

Top left

item filters

[deep jacinth]

The filter system sucks ngl

[lusty wren]

It could use some work

[deep jacinth]

There should be a search

[lusty wren]

but its immensely better then not using it

[deep jacinth]

Trying to go through each items there's too mny

[sand vortex]

Goddamnit.gif

[deep jacinth]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

I didnt realize it at first either

[valid girder]

DAMN THE 16TH...........

[deep jacinth]

I guess I can respect that it's way better than nothing

[valid girder]

JUST REALSE THE DAMN GAME

[deep jacinth]

And it's not poorly coded

[sand vortex]

Game absolutely isn't ready for release

[deep jacinth]

But when you have like 40 options in a dropdown it's a pain

[valid girder]

says the new guy

[lusty wren]

Very true

[lusty wren]

I concur

[sand vortex]

Game is fun but be real the game is also still hyper jank

[lusty wren]

as the devs said B1 is a must before early access

[sand vortex]

Devs don't need screaming children whinging about downtime while they work

[deep jacinth]

I guess your right

But something about it makes me feel like it'd blow up anyways

Like up old world

[lusty wren]

It probably would

[deep jacinth]

Or whatever it was called

I forget

[sand vortex]

Valheim?

[deep jacinth]

New world

Lol

Old world same thing

[lusty wren]

I think even if they released early itd blow up. But I still agree with having B1 in before going to early access

[deep jacinth]

Old news

[sand vortex]

Yeah and new world also died

Not the best

[lusty wren]

having a full playthrough is a must IMO

[deep jacinth]

They'd have trouble retaining people

If they released now

That's why they don't even want to extend the plattests

[lusty wren]

We also need more medium time progression before it launches

[deep jacinth]

They don't want people to get bored

[astral wigeon]

what does resourcfulness mean

for atributes

[lusty wren]

For the loot goblins

[deep jacinth]

You can mouse over it

And it says I think

[astral wigeon]

i dont think it does

[deep jacinth]

Opening doors chests that type of stuff

[astral wigeon]

better loot chance?

[lusty wren]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats

[sand vortex]

Faster looting

[astral wigeon]

ty bro

[astral wigeon]

thx

[lusty wren]

"Interaction Speed governs the speed at which you interact with objects/mechanisms in the dungeon."

[deep jacinth]

I know I just said this

[lusty wren]

Doors too

[deep jacinth]

But interaction speed is unfun

Cleric have hands made of iron

Can't open anything without getting way older

I've lost years of my life already looting as cleric

And looting as barb without smashing

[lusty wren]

As a cleric main I know the struggle but I still love it 😄

[deep jacinth]

Cleric is too fun

Donatello

[onyx patio]

It would be cool if it automatically put you in a party together if you took the same group of red portals or something

[clever flower]

The time between messages should be at least quadrupled in trade channels. People can spam way too much and it leads to way more clutter

[tough oar]

option to reform party around a campfire?

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[granite jacinth]

I just posted in suggestions but I'm really liking the idea of turning Rogue's caltrops and/or smokebombs into equipment items, like the Ranger's Hunting Traps

There's just not a good way to justify using them over things like Rupture/Weakpoint/Hide, and as a result they just kind of sit there

One of the things I like the most about Rogue is the utility they provide. And having more interesting equipment options could feed into that kind of identity and potentially open up new kinds of viable strategies, besides just backstabbing people

[fair yew]

@nocturne shadow yeah and the reason for that is because the devs dont want you to be rich and hoard gear. they want you to continually upgade your current gear and risk losing it.

I wouldnt be surprised if they put limitations for the workarounds like stacking candy and character mules which people currently use as well

[polar cloud]

limit item usages please, having a barbarian carry 30 throwing axes is not realistic and NOT balanced

[brisk folio]

Carry all the axes you want kings 👑

Axe spec probably shouldn’t apply to them

Idk if it does

[hallow saffron]

it does

[elfin charm]

The cap on meds in the traders adds nothing too the game btw just stops people from qing faster.

[alpine cairn]

Just don't take damage

And don't feel like med cap is a problem. I can easily buy a sufficient amount of them every run.

And I refuse to buy the expensive ones. 300% more gold just to get 5hp more is a scam.

[clever wyvern]

You can get 9 health pots before every run like what and those are the cheap ones

18 per 3 stacks

Stack*

[split quartz]

Not if you die too fast for the trader to restock lmao

[clever wyvern]

I mean I guess but then you can just buy the bandages

[tired forum]

if youre buying that many meds, you shouldnt die before the trader can restock

[split quartz]

Yeah ideally but things happen

[clever wyvern]

I usually if I'm not bringing in gassed up gear I only bring in a stack of e

3

[split quartz]

Same, that's about how much i end up using in a run anyway when it's not super pvp heavy

[clever wyvern]

If you get good with dodging mob damage you shouldn't have too many issues and if you have someone playing cleric its even better so you don't have burn pots all the time

[brisk folio]

[clever wyvern]

Even better since I see tge fighter tag get used to shielding it can block almost anything in the game legit Buckler is a little iffy tho

[alpine cairn]

I always bring in 6 cheaper bandages and it is enough. There's no amount of healing items that can cure one shot from barb, so I don't need more.

[shell yarrow]

Clerics zZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz

[alpine cairn]

Clerics are cringe. They can outheal 3 people worth of damage.

[clever wyvern]

Hey man me and some buddies have been running 2 clerics and me on ranger and its a money making glitch cause there is no losing fights lmao

[split quartz]

Yeah i think the ai in the game is pretty easy to deal with generally, ive onlu really had trouble trying to fight the centaur and demon bats but that's partially cause i get so little experience fighting them

[clever wyvern]

On top of double reserection and all the heals and shields and a bow that does 120 headshots

[granite plinth]

After leveling all classes to level 15+, I have some suggestions on class balance.

Rogue: This class is in an awkward place. Abilities that seem like they should be built in to the class require players to waste a perk slot in order to obtain them, e.g. lock pick, hidden pockets, moving while hiding. This should be an innately sneaky class with perks that alter the way you can play it from a DPS and adventuring standpoint.

Wizard: Way too gear dependent. This class goes from trash with basic gear to OP with +magic dmg gear. Haven’t thought of a fix really.

Fighter: All of their perks aside from weapon mastery feel like garbage.

Cleric: Way too powerful atm due to the ability to stack buffs and high dmg weapons.

Barbarian: Also a bit too powerful atm. Reducing max HP would probably help.

Ranger: Perfect the way it is after the bow patch. Crossbows feel generally terrible however.

[clever wyvern]

And thats with out bless and divine strike lmao

Pretty good some up of the classes right tbh although I don't think you give fighter perks enough credit

[alpine cairn]

Wizard is busted even w/o gear. Have you seen naked-sonic-fire-spitting-wizard?

Fighter has decent perks, just use them wisely.

[clever wyvern]

That armor rating bonus and weight reduction is fire

Wizard just to me isn't as solid with base gear as ranger

[latent oriole]

this man spitting facts

[chrome granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203714477542080512/1074373364015169637/image.png

oh, images are not allowed

[granite plinth]

I don’t put much value into the wizard YouTube videos. Most of those guys are recording hundreds of videos and posting the one where they destroyed everyone.

[latent oriole]

10$ they are gonna make phys reduction bonuses multiplicative with those from armor rating in the future

[chrome granite]

they have to do something. this is broken lol

[latent oriole]

that build works but you have to spend days in the trading channels to make it

[alpine cairn]

Idk about that. Everytime I meet a wizard like that I have troubles dealing with them.

[chrome granite]

it takes me like 2 hours to make a set, super easy imo

[quiet reef]

trading is just a huge waste of time, and killing the game

[latent oriole]

ye but even 1 hour is a lot of time considering that's -1 hour of actual gameplay

[chrome granite]

yeah, but it pays off in high roller

and the kit stays for a very long time

[latent oriole]

I know the build is really good to maybe busted depending on how good the %phys reduction bonuses you get

[alpine cairn]

Hm, I've never felt a need to trade. I can play just fine even with not min/maxed gear. Even in high roller. Makes the game exciting instead of going in once a day because you can't play w/o god gear.

[chrome granite]

with no one playing wizards because barbs are killing them so easy, fighter is busted rn

[chrome granite]

i do both. im not sweaty, just creative when i want to be

[storm scaffold]

I think flat damage on gear should be removed. Many classes can exploit flat damage stacking and it creates a burst damage one shot meta with a huge power creep problem. A mage with 20-30 in flat magic damage across all their equipment can kill you in like 3 hits of magic missile of the 12 shots. In a game with no dodge command, no sprint, no quick way to close the gap or reliable way to avoid even being hit by 3 of the shots out of 12, this feels borderline unplayable. Rogue when flat damage stacking with a blue / purple stiletto dagger can stab for like 45-60 and they get a quick triple stab which with that amount of damage will kill any class in the game in 2-3 stabs which can come in like 1 second. Ranger with a blue / purple longbow and 20-30 flat physical damage can 2 body shot or 1 headshot classes, which becomes absurd when you factor their triple shot skill.

I understand it takes a lot of gold and investment to obtain a full build of flat damage, but I don't feel like it enabling you to turn in to a one shot machine on most classes is a healthy or balanced thing to exist in the game where dying is a result of you losing all your gear.

[chrome granite]

shield blocks magic missile

[latent oriole]

the whole gear system needs a slight rework imo

[storm scaffold]

What of classes with no shield?

[alpine cairn]

Magic missiles are so slow though.

[storm scaffold]

Your answer to missiles can't be something only two classes get.

[alpine cairn]

Just step aside

[chrome granite]

run lol, nah you make a decent point

[storm scaffold]

When you're borderline melee range of a caster, it's borderline impossible to miss magic missile. Especially when factoring in you become self slowed when you start an melee attack.

And given they only need to land 2-3 bolts if they're flat magic damage build, and can shoot 12.

[latent oriole]

imo the game needs to put power more into levels and slightly less into gear, maybe make it so that every level you can lvl up one attribute by 1/2

right now gear makes you a god

[chrome granite]

maybe theyll do that with training in the class section

[alpine cairn]

I mean, there is "skill tree" coming soon so this will change stuff a bit

[storm scaffold]

I just think if they want to keep flat damage, it should only be available on accessories and weapon or something and defensive stats on armor.

To prevent full flat damage stacking on all nine items.

[alpine cairn]

Yea, +3 damage on boots doesn't make sense. I'm kicking them or what?

[storm scaffold]

Haha

[split quartz]

Nah it's by the power of magic

[wintry wind]

It appears my suggestion is bugged...

[split quartz]

Boom handwaved the problem away

[alpine cairn]

Or they're just more pointy and deal emotional damage

[queen vessel]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

I feel the amount of portals (4 portals for 11 players, with +1 from the gate) is fine but the first two happen while the zone is still huge, so either those get lost to the zone or some players get to extract sneakily. Meanwhile if you stay completely central you get two portals to fight over but with unlucky spawns you can still get screwed over there

I personally think it'd be a lot better the current timing would go from 1 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 to 0 -> 1 -> 2 -> 1 but obviously that favours aggressive players more

[ancient minnow]

wizard need a base dmg buff because its legit unplayable atm if u dont have a set of spellpower gear also needs to nerf spellpower scaling for actual geared mage

[stiff folio]

how are ppl saying that Goblins shouldnt have poison? is all they have!

even the mage goblins are trash that cant hit a single spell, let them be man

[wintry wind]

They're just widdle gobwins they don't even carry good items

[tardy sun]

I see why it's annoying that they have poison, but I suspect there's a reason for it. I am guessing that poison damage is not reduced by armor, so it balances for fighters who may be wearing lots of armor. And in a solo match, it serves to not give fighters an advantage. Just a guess!

[stiff folio]

Its pretty annoying getting poisoned but there's also a lot of heals on Goblins Cave, for real, a lot. Also they are pretty easy to kite (i do runs as cleric, barb and archers) and low hp aswell so i guess is the point of it, kite well or get punish. Archers are kite more annoying but still bad aiming if u move right so i guess its really well balanced and should keep like it's atm

[storm sierra]

if you are getting hit by goblins your doing it wrong

[stiff folio]

exactly!

[stuck shadow]

The chat for the trading post should have a longer wait period

[lofty temple]

up cave loot etc quality. atm full inventory of valuable give 150gold its not enough. too low quality.

[scarlet bough]

Suggestions: 1) rather than having static maps, make them procedurally generated with a variety of 'building blocks'; 2) a DND-style game feels incomplete without a slime enemy; 3) rescue damsels in distress that were chained away in the dungeon, and escort them to safety via new NPC portals (green in color); 4) die without losing the gear that you last wore at the tavern; 5) dripping acid (or even cursed blood) from certain ceilings; 6) color scheme the enemies (or maybe just their eyes) to reflect their difficulty level.

[nocturne shadow]

yes but that way how long wipes are gonna be ? With that thinking we may aswell play it like a league of legends game where we queue we grind for items we pvp and we end match the thing is that there will always be someone"rich" to the extent that we will need some kind of chests to store loot.

[warm quiver]

Suggestion. Get that plugin or whatever for discord that creates a party when needed.

[sacred thorn]

Seriously everybody wants to nerf the game whereas its difficulty is exactly one of the things that drew people in

[nocturne shadow]

Also i do belive that zone on second floor is too fast and it's closing too fast when u want to clear stuff as duo or something, it could be good option for trios with good setup to get through rooms like crazy but for solos/duos it its a little bit challenging(not in terms of monsters or equipments) it's just zone which is closing too fast in my opinion- any opinions about that ?

[smoky ledge]

Hi there. I kimda dont know what to think about shields. They are kinda.. broken so far. Basically they do not Block what they should. We did couple of field testing with a friend. Basically biggest issue is, that weapon ignore them when they are close enough. So swing weapon go totally around them, not registering them at all.

[sacred thorn]

does it also block the direct damage of the fireball?

[smoky ledge]

You still got splash, cnockback and slow.

[sacred thorn]

Yes, I am asking if it blocks the direct damage of the fireball

[smoky ledge]

Well, kinda.

[sacred thorn]

uhm

[chrome granite]

no clue, but i think so. aoe would come through i think

[smoky ledge]

Depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Did some test with that too and Its inconsistent.

[sacred thorn]

Fireball does 30 direct damage, 10 splash and then a DOT

okay

What about zap? It seems Zap can also headshot?

[smoky ledge]

No clue about that. Didnt test that

[tawny lagoon]

Zone seems fine to me, unless you are wearing starting gear. Done it without problem multiple times as ranger+mage

[tawny lagoon]

Zap does the same damage no matter where it hits

[nocturne shadow]

thing about ranger mage is that u dont really need to come to mobs or lure them xD

[sacred thorn]

And it can't be blocked by a shield?

[tawny lagoon]

Yeah it probably the easiest setup, but still it’s a matter of damage and moving as fast as possible

[tawny lagoon]

It can be blocked, both initial damage and burn

[sacred thorn]

What about fireball?

[rocky oar]

Good luck playing the game guys. There's a DC cheat going around making peoples game crash.

[real cloud]

@lost inlet

I alr knew some cheats were out

Didn’t expect a crash one

[rocky oar]

I am streaming right now, it's in my VODs

I am literally spectating people right now and they are going around DCing everyone and killing them

[reef cosmos]

This is a playtest and we hope they get some anticheat for the EA in April

[lost inlet]

@real cloud fuck me i knew it

ive never crashed like that before

[real cloud]

prob best to just go in with some greens tops

[lost inlet]

What a mess

[wanton dagger]

How do they crash you?

On sight?

[lost inlet]

For me i heard him around a corner, and then got dropped

[rocky oar]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1736589672

It starts at 26:20

[lost inlet]

it reminded me of old school "Drop hacking"

Which is why i was kind of like what

[rocky oar]

It's either if you look at them you will DC or if they look at you then you will DC

I don't know which it is

I think it's if they look at you though

[lost inlet]

He probably has some sort of esp or functionality that lets him drop you when he gets near enough

[rocky oar]

From what I saw no

They went around the map like normal

but the moment they look at you, you are DCed

[lost inlet]

That

That's so wacked

[rocky oar]

Don't bother going HR right now at all

You will get screwed over by hackers.

[forest arch]

what hacks are being used?

[rocky oar]

DC hacks

Scroll up and look

[silent aurora]

I feel like the goblins do to much damage/ or there is to many of them

[rocky wyvern]

I hate hr with or without hackers. It just makes the game worst for new players and you have to wait a lot in the lobby. Just a bad way to split the player base tbh.

[rocky oar]

HR is literally fine, lobbies fill up still quick and you get into a game really quick whether it's normal or HR

Get over yourself

[lofty temple]

go HIGHT ROLL MOD CAVE pls

[wanton dagger]

Damn that's fucked'.

[forest arch]

the devs need to add a price to the game like at least $10, so at least this way all the hackers getting banned repeatedly give the devs more funds to make the game better (doesn't prevent hacking but dissuades it)

[real cloud]

$1-5 for playtest yeah

[wanton dagger]

They need the players for data gathering

You'd loose A LOT of data

[granite plinth]

Why mages are so shit?

[real cloud]

They aren’t

[rocky oar]

They aren't, if you think Wizard is bad then you are bad

[real cloud]

Still good

[rocky wyvern]

playing hr or normal you still get rolled by geared players. HR doesn't serve its purpose at all lol.

[real cloud]

Just not as good as before

[real cloud]

normal has some geared players, HR is full of them

big difference

also big gap in overall skill

[rocky oar]

It serves the purpose of people going for better gear from mobs from mobs that are harder you ape. What people do with their gear is up to them

[modest star]

Honestly I myself have really bad arachnophobia and it can sometimes be crippling and unfair so to have this mode would be life changing considering I truly do love the game and what it has to offer!!!

[rocky wyvern]

Hell had that purpose. hr just makes the game more grindy which is stupid

[granite plinth]

Mages: Not reliable close quarters (you may even kill yourself), not reliable on distance (projectiles are so fu**ing slow), not reliable on armor (he is made of paper)

[rocky oar]

It's not grindy at all. The only freaking grind is the damn game is the sitting in Trade chat for hours to get really good gear

[wanton dagger]

Give wiz 10 will and he starts oneshotting packs

[lost inlet]

What's the go on people clearly teaming goblins, is it allowed ? anyone know

Getting a little sick of coming across 4man teams ngl

[wanton dagger]

Ye it's not against the rules.

[ebon idol]

Teaming is dangerous, and there are limited extracts. It is a risk/reward situation

[lost inlet]

no they are teamed up outside the game bubble

[wanton dagger]

If they team in solos they must use VOIP and that gives away their intentions and numbers

[lost inlet]

They are queing in at the same time

[sinful stump]

I just saw a suggestion post of the fact barbarians health is too high. I think It is perfectly fine, I 1 v 2 a set of barbs as a ranger and I really think it is how you coming into the fight. Are you well equipped enough? Are you able to outrun them? Etc.

[lost inlet]

and clearly teaming with out voip

[wanton dagger]

Tried it with a party, 10 runs noone connected at the same time.

[lost inlet]

Seen the same 3 names, over and over

For reference im oce at 10am on a monday so

pretty easy to queue snipe

[wanton dagger]

We were in separate instances all the time

[forest arch]

if u switch server you reduce probability of teams in gob. higher pop servers have way more games running so its much harder for people to simultaneously queue and team

[lost inlet]

That's fine and dandy but 200 ping on the next closest server

[forest arch]

also, how does it make sense that throwing knives are finite but arrows are unlimited? utility slot or inventory should be occupied by bundles of arrows.

[bleak monolith]

Shields on your back should protect your back

[cobalt carbon]

Yes. Your back should be 40% indestructible. That seems balanced 🤣

[lusty wren]

ya no thanks

Pavise would be aids

[ebon idol]

Fighter with two pavise shields becomes the door

[lusty wren]

Passive pavice runs where you just block people in with bosses and such for your kills 😄

would be hilarious though

[wanton dagger]

Bows and crossies could be 1h and the other slot could be reserved for quivers and/or arrow bundles.

Make rangers fletch new arrows when chilling at a campfire too ig

[ebon idol]

A hand crossbow for the offhand for rogues would be nice, did anyone suggest that one already? Not having any ranged options really doesn't do them a favor, and I am not scared of getting hit with a ranged small crossbow out of stealth. As long as they don't get backstab damage for it, can't buff it with their abilities.

[bleak monolith]

I have become door!

[harsh belfry]

How much dmg can a cleric get out of starter gear?

[foggy pelican]

Goblin mage shouldn't be able to have a projectile thats slows you acts as an anti heal and does almost 30+dmg at base

[split quartz]

Maybe if its tracking was better or if it moved faster but i've sidestepped almost every goblin mage attack so idk it feels like a nonissue rn

[ebon idol]

As I understand Goblin Mages guard rooms with a chance of good loot. I think they are there for people that don't go in with start gear, much like the skeletal guardian and the Wraith act in the normal dungeon.

Either get good or bring better gear to take them on

[lusty wren]

Every mob in this game can be killed in base gear

[bleak monolith]

I saw people complaining about how it’s easy for you to do solo and get a lot of gold and gear and ore so what if they made it that every single thing you loot from there from gold or ore or gear like literally anything you get from solo has a marker on it and you cant sell anything for gold or trade and also use in non solo Q
Like make a new currency “Goblin Gold” or something
And if you sell items you looted from solo Q u only get goblin gold and cant use it to buy normal “Gold” items
You can only use solo items in solo Q too
Anything you mine and turn into ingots using ore from SQ you get SQ ingots and SQ gear when you turn it into gear

No more complaining about “solo Q too easy people get mega juiced there”

Or make a completely separate character that can only do SQ and interact with other SQ players in the trade market

[split quartz]

Idk how good of an idea it is to split the playerbase that hard

[harsh belfry]

The purpose of solo queue SHOULD BE to farm gold for team Queues

[bleak monolith]

It’s just a suggestion kus I know there’s people complaining about it

[harsh belfry]

I am fir@ly against changing things for said complaining people. Not everyone has competent teammates or can 1v 2-3 in team Q

[bleak monolith]

Or even mark everything that comes from SQ and add the new currency and have it that you need more goblin gold to buy stuff like this health potion is 5g and you need 10GG to buy it if you use goblin gold and same with ores like you need more SQ ore for an ingot

[harsh belfry]

F no

[bleak monolith]

I bet but they wanted SQ to be shut down completely

[ebon idol]

Hm, the last suggestion is DnD on console. Would there be autoaim for rangers? Should there be crossplay?

[bleak monolith]

Sure a light auto-aim should be ok not like Insta head shot just like a small gravity towards a player
How ever I can see that making it hard for people who hide in darkness because u can just see that it’s making you aim at someone

Hmmmm

[white cliff]

The problem is it works the opposite way.

You farm teams and go in and run solos against people who are playing the game for the first time.

[real cloud]

Also crossteamers

they’re 90% of my deaths in goblin

[harsh belfry]

I have been playing solo almost exclusively this play test and it has been a consistent source of currency and gear upgrades

[harsh belfry]

Prox chat makes cross teaming viable and cross teaming itself isn’t a bad thing

[ebon idol]

I have watched some american streams and there is a lot of teaming going on, but on european servers it is on sight with most people.

[real cloud]

the last 10% being all blue/purple andies that aren’t good enough to play normal mode

[real cloud]

I mean my take on it is it’s good for pve

Like to get loot

But to the people who crossteam to pvp

go die

please

Especially when they get in groups of 3 expecting to all get out

[ebon idol]

Crossteaming is always a risk because you can't trust anyone and extracts are limited.

[real cloud]

At most I usually kill champion or smth with someone

[harsh belfry]

Why not just make friends with the first person you see?

[real cloud]

Grab loot

And go our own ways

It just isn’t fun to have to do 2-3v1s in a map intended for 1v1vx scenarios

[ebon idol]

What I don't understand is people asking to "nerf loot" or "nerf equipment" I mean it sucks losing against a blue or purple geared person who you would have won against without the loot, but getting the loot is the purpose of the game. If you nerf it what is the point

[real cloud]

I mean it’s not that bad

Sure gear makes or breaks every fight

But it’s not hard to get said gear

Unless it’s a gold+

[ebon idol]

That is why I don't understand people asking for that.

[real cloud]

Fought some dude in goblin who was running all blues+

Terrible player

Only won because gear diff

I had 1-2 greens at best

hit him like 2-3 more times with a war maul

Dude had a horseman’s

[ebon idol]

You can get loot very cheap too.

[harsh belfry]

He was good enough to get gear and then risk it

[ebon idol]

Very true

[real cloud]

Or just carried in teams and they hopped off

i mean tldr gear is the main reason as to why you win fights

Sure a good player or skill gap can decide a fight

But gear is much more important

[real cloud]

But like i said

[harsh belfry]

I routinely sell my greens for 35-40g

[real cloud]

Only takes a few runs to either drop or buy what you need

If you grab everything and pvp a bit every game

Easy 100-400 gold per match

[stuck perch]

Anyone know of other good dungeon crawling games? I like DaD but not in this state, the pve vs pvp balance is way too focused on pvp. It's not that fun of an experience...

[real cloud]

Personally the balance is 50;50, just need to focus on looting big rooms instead of hallways etc

[ebon idol]

Even if you don't PvP, every green gives you about about 35 gold after taxes. And they drop a lot.

[real cloud]

I meant trinkets alone

Sell the good gear on trade for 50-200 per

rest to NPCs

[harsh belfry]

I’d love to see all classes have a few mor talents oriented toward dealing damage to undead and also separate talents for dealing damage to goblins. That could allow for branching balance and specializing your run.

Just like 1-2 talents on every class that geared toward helping damage monsters exclusively.

[real cloud]

Maybe next test we’ll see more perks, abilities etc

The other class tab isn’t ready yet either

[ebon idol]

Handcrossbow for rogues would be amazing.

[real cloud]

But that’ll probably be more of a progression via time/matches played thing

similar to xp

Not too big a fan of that

But it’s somewhat healthy for a game

[stuck perch]

With the current spawns and the increased player density, there's no tension while doing pve, it's just a little bit of pve interrupted by constant pvp.
And yes I focus on looting big rooms.

[ebon idol]

I think the 50:50 was meant on skill vs gear in pvp

But I could be wrong.

[lusty wren]

Its great aint it

[ebon idol]

Discord is really weid sometimes.

No, I am definitely wrong.

lol

Newest suggestion wizard fireball, feels fine to be honest.

Their shield is far more annoying

[lusty wren]

If you cant bait the mages fireball i dunno what to tell ya

[ebon idol]

Yeah. They also die in 2-3 hits so often they can't even cast.

[stuck perch]

I get the impression that I spend 70-80% of my time considering pvp actions and only 20% of the time thinking about pve actions. This includes listening for other players, setting traps and ambushes ect. Pvp can be fun but right now it's crashing the pve experience. Mostly because of player density, and random spawns.

[lusty wren]

70-80 aint enough. Should be listening and thinking about pvp 100% of the time 😉

[stuck perch]

Then they might as well remove monsters and dungeon traps and make it a 100% pvp game.

[lusty wren]

Nah PvE is great for helping create chaos and disorder

[real cloud]

nah

pvp vs pve

A lot of it is third parties yeah

But that’s just due to slow looting

[ebon idol]

Yeah, I saw it, I am just an idiot sometimes.

[stuck perch]

Since they increased the density and made the spawns random across the map, I rarely if ever start in a room where I don't hear nearby players.

[tawny lagoon]

Without pvp, the pve is harmless

[real cloud]

^^^

[stuck perch]

I don't want them removing pvp, but would appreciate the pve and the pvp much better if the pvp was more spread out and we had more time in the dungeon.

[tawny lagoon]

Hell gets easier than the previous floor at some point

[bleak monolith]

Can we make the map marker a lil more visible

[tawny lagoon]

Because there is no pvp

[stuck perch]

Player density can be decreased with either larger maps or less players on the map.

[split quartz]

actually true, i feel safer in hell than the crypt cause i've met like one other person in my like 20 runs down there

[stuck perch]

@lusty wren @ebon idol you don't want larger maps or less players? or do you want players spawning on top of each other for a pvp fest?

[lusty wren]

I do not mind larger maps

[ebon idol]

I feel like it is fine as it is.

[lusty wren]

But if they get bigger I want more people

[ebon idol]

There are often games where I go out with bags of loot without seeing anyone.

[slow thistle]

lmao you can tell there's some barbarian mains out there enjoying oneshotting everyone

[lusty wren]

I main cleric

When your argument breaks down its best to not assume

[ebon idol]

Other games I am fighting with two teams in my behind while being pushed by the border.

[stuck perch]

I'd wish I got more of those, unless everyone dies to pve I always run into people unless the first portal spawns in my room.

[lusty wren]

Sounds more and more as if you are advocating for just pve game 😄

[ebon idol]

Barb damage is a hot topic, as far as I know their -75% armor pen only works for one swing and then runs out, right?

[slow thistle]

Yeah but that one swing is all they need

[ebon idol]

Good. You should be scared at a barb running at you full speed.

[lusty wren]

Ah thinks barb is OP. This makes more sense now 😄

[slow thistle]

I understand a two shot; but playing a fighter and getting ass blasted by the first swing of the fight is just antithetical imo to the entire experience

[stuck perch]

That said, you're bound to get pvp if you have more players than portals. If you decrease the portals vs players ratio, you'll have more people to fight over portals for extraction.

[ebon idol]

They do get a penalty in exchange as well.

[tawny lagoon]

Barb is op only if a wizard hastes him

[slow thistle]

Doesn't seem to do much; stabbed the guy 3 times with my longsword as he was closing and then clapped

[tawny lagoon]

And a cleric keeps his health up

[ebon idol]

Barbarian weapons have very predictable swing patterns. Bring a shield, don't expect to 1v1 a barb with a two handed weapon. It feels like warriors complaining that rangers are better at shooting then them.

[slow thistle]

considering the felling axe animation is fairly easy to land past a shield I don't think that's quite the answer

[stuck perch]

What are Fighters supposed to be good at then?

[lusty wren]

look up 😄

[slow thistle]

I understand a barbarian oneshotting a rogue or a wizard; makes sense; but an armored fighter going down in one hit? That's pretty nonsense

[ebon idol]

Only if they land that one strike that has -75% ap

What would be funny would giving fighters a skill that absorbs 75% damage on the next hit.

[slow thistle]

then that's a skill contest and I'd be ok with that

[prisma tree]

hey guys, any reason i wouldnt be able to enter a suggestion? kep getting flagged and it wont let me enter the suggestion, completely benign and as far as i know contains nothing offensive

[ebon idol]

Can you post it in here?

[real cloud]

Barb isn’t that bad tbh, any range advantage makes a fight against it super easy

Just need to be careful for haste/speed buffed one’s

Rangers or rogue sneak attacks shred barbs all the time

Fighters w/ second wind as well

Cleric can if they’re super geared but harder to pull off

wizard is prob the hardest to kill barb w

Because magic resist perk

[ebon idol]

Cleric with Judgement has some plays against barbs as well, it is really a question of how easy the counterplay is.

[real cloud]

^^^

Need to be far enough

Not holding anything else

Just 180 and book it for a few seconds

[slow thistle]

You can't second wind if you get killed in one shot

[ebon idol]

The thing about barbs vs fighter is that barbs have burst damage, but fighters have staying power (with second wind and armor). Then it is an issue of skill and gear. But I feel like a figher has to be considerably better than a barb to play this strength.

The counterplay is much harder than the play.

[slow thistle]

Like I said; if it was a two shot I'm all for it; but not being able to answer back as an armored melee fighter to a one shot when you're no where able to replicate the same thing isn't good balance in this type of game

[real cloud]

Geared fighters can take like 3-5 hits easily

7 if the gear difference is big enough

[slow thistle]

I was geared; so was he; that's the problem. A geared Barb versus a geared Fighter and I got one shot

[real cloud]

I get the issue with barbs being terrifying in melee range

But that’s all they are

[slow thistle]

I had a green protection pot on too

[real cloud]

just fight them with a range advantage

[slow thistle]

and he just destroyed it

thru the pot and insta oneshot

[lusty wren]

Spacing is king in fighter vs barb

always let him swing first

and punish

[slow thistle]

I was; I stabbed him three times with a blue longsword before he closed 😄

[white cliff]

Halberd outranges barb.

[ebon idol]

Like I said, I don't think there isn't counterplay, I just think the skill cealing between the play (hit with axe and skill active) vs the counterplay (dodge dance, have the right weapon, outrange, dungeon awareness) is quite big.

[stuck perch]

Speaking about blocking barbarians, what's the impact strength and how does it impact blocking?

[granite plinth]

Rarity filter to trading

[ebon idol]

Good suggestion.

[smoky ledge]

Well when considered how shields work atm, barb Just hug you and swing. Weapon then ignore the shield even when properly spaced.

I mean.. There is no way to Block barbs axe when He hugs you.

But.. There is actually one way. Kinda tricky. Put a pavise on your back, and when he swimgs turn Your back to him. Then punish

[lusty wren]

This guy plays a different game

[stuck perch]

Do pavis block blows from behind?

[bold jetty]

as a barb main i think they need to make the recovery time when you swing longer so its more punishable primarly on the felling axe there is almost no window to swing

[lime jetty]

No, shields do NOT give any blocking when worn on back

[smoky ledge]

As i tested it with friend, yes it did

[lusty wren]

You guys are debating these topics like you know whats strong and not but you dont even know a shield on the back does nothing?

[ebon idol]

Actually playing a different game

[smoky ledge]

Pavise did

[ebon idol]

It doesn't.

[stuck perch]

They need to make blocking either easier to do or have it take less recovery time.

[lime jetty]

It does not. I wear one consistently and get hit in the back. You're drunk

[smoky ledge]

I actually tested it today

[lusty wren]

LOL you are playing a different game then

[ebon idol]

Either they patched that in secretly or you bonked off a wall

[lime jetty]

They're open about their patches, no shot they ninja'd one in that'd be that game breaking.

[smoky ledge]

I was doing shield tests with a friend today. All kind of situations.

[ebon idol]

I heavily suggest you retry that one.

[stuck perch]

If attempting to block didn't impede your attacks that long, then maybe we'd see more attempts at it.

[smoky ledge]

Will do for sure

[ebon idol]

Blocking is very useful.

[lusty wren]

I block barbs all the time. Its really not that hard. Their weapon pattern are very predictable and they swing slow . But when people dont even understand that shields cant block their back I dont expect them to understand the basic game mechanics at play

[smoky ledge]

It is. But if the weapon is behind your shield, it clips through

[stuck perch]

90% of the time, blocking is sub par to dodging. The rest of the time people just don't have the practice to get it right.

[ebon idol]

Blocking resets their attack pattern, and swing 2-3 deal more damage than the first one. Dodging is good because you can attack faster, but if you are caught it will be from a stronger attack.

[stuck perch]

Do shields block magic missiles? I got killed yesterday by magic missiles while trying to block them. When fighting a skeleton knight, magic missiles seem to get blocked by his shield.

[ebon idol]

They do, but your feet look out and wizards often aim at them.

[lusty wren]

Yes if you aim properly at them.

[cobalt obsidian]

Fix getting stuck on random geometry when back pedaling please

[lusty wren]

Blocking is very precise if any part of any projectile/weapon touches your hitbox you get hit

I feel its best to just "over" aim a touch

[ebon idol]

I don't know what to do about hits starting inside you and negating your shield though. Maybe a check if your hitbox has a shield-hitbox in it, and if it is the hitbox deals no damage?

[slow thistle]

Yes but they also have a slight homing aspect to them; the best way to block them with a shield is to crouch and aim up if the wizard is aiming for the head; if aiming center mass aim just barely up

[lusty wren]

Ive never had that issue, though I do everything I can to prevent barbs from getting that close.

[ebon idol]

With that logic you would also have to remove stuff like "+ all attributes" since it is just a better "+ specific attribute"

Getting the perfect loot means you are also risking it.

[limber kiln]

Not having an auction house is killing this for me...

I LOVE the game...

But seriously takes WAY too much time to sell things

[ebon idol]

Oh yeah, auction house would rule.

[slow thistle]

A thing to consider is usually the damage is not that much; +3 I think highest I've personally seen is +5; with armor that means basically you're negating that bonus damage (unless its true damage)

[ebon idol]

It would also drive up prices for stuff with "good stats"

[limber kiln]

have a battle axe with +2 Move Speed & +9 DAMAGE!

[ebon idol]

Like + flat attack

[slow thistle]

Apparently there can be +9 lmao

[limber kiln]

+4 phys and +5 weapon

[ebon idol]

You say that until someone stops you.

[limber kiln]

got a purple battle axe that would rock your world 😛

[lusty wren]

Nest raid

Zaku died to mummy spider

[limber kiln]

lol

[slow thistle]

I've often been kited out or just straight oneshot even with some purples on so

its def possible

[lusty wren]

Yes the great equalizer

make a false sstep and blam

[ebon idol]

How would you guys feel about a dragon hoard with kobold enemies? Could make for a cool "hell" after the solo goblin dungeon if they ever add a level 2.

[real cloud]

Would be nice if each dungeon had its own variations of hell yea

Maybe they do maps that give more loot to some classes

[gusty kettle]

fix rubberbanding in place constantly bug, i love it so much but it needs to go

[stuck perch]

They should make armor provide flat damage reduction.

[ebon idol]

I think true damage isn't much of an issue as it isn't a flat increase afaik

[ebon idol]

I don't think that would be a good idea. Flat armor block is really not smart.

[stuck perch]

They can make a % of weapons do true damage. It creates a more interesting difference between fast weapons and heavy hitting weapons.

[ebon idol]

Do you think like there isn't a huge difference between the two already?

[slow thistle]

Its a flat increase but its only the increased damage that is true. So for example a 39 sword with +2 true damage only 2 of that damage is not blocked by armor

[ebon idol]

New suggestion. Better explain what stats do.

[slow thistle]

I think some of it is translation

[ebon idol]

I thought true damage was just "if you have 2 true damage, your 37 damage sword deals 2 true damage and 35 damage is reduced by armor"

Not "Your 37 damage sword deals 37 damage and 2 true damage"

[cobalt obsidian]

pve feels incredibly unfun with starter weapons.

[real cloud]

Stats are always additive

[real cloud]

Play rogue

Changes gameplay a lot

[ebon idol]

I mean, unfun is not a metric I agree with.

[real cloud]

It is drawn out a lot with some classes

but for others not so much

[ebon idol]

It takes long, yes, but it is supposed to if you go in with crap.

[real cloud]

Some classes excel in pvp

i.e. Ranger

Until they get gear it’s a slow grind through rooms

or a pvp fight

[thick swallow]

I hope devs heavily nerf barbarians dmg before playtest ends, its so annoying, me with full purple items with dmg + with longsword 115 dmg in head, I tested barbarian and I had basic blue felling axe and was doing pretty much same dmg. Also barbarians perks are giga broken compared to fighter, fighter perks are joke, u need to have swift and weapon mastery just be able to play game properly, its literally almost must have and thats not how perks should work. Wizard nerf is also needed, pure dmg scaling I mentioned in suggestion previously should be enough

[ebon idol]

Wizards already got nerved bad.

Also what do you mean "basic blue felling axe"

[real cloud]

They’re good dmg wise, just too squishy

barb starts with battle axe

It’s a good weapon

But too slow for the dmg

[thick swallow]

No they nerfed it and then buffed it, its not enough, Full geared other classes are joke compared to wizard with few aditional magic dmg stuff

[real cloud]

what

[limber kiln]

Game should be 9/10 even for early stages.

Gets a 6/10 until a real Auction House is implemented.

[ebon idol]

I.. what

[real cloud]

“Few additional magic dmg” adds up FAST

especially with spells like zap

it is weak rn

I get that

But not that bad

Most it needs is some buffs to make it less squishy

[limber kiln]

so many good items to sell but cba to spend hours trying to trade

[real cloud]

be it defense or hp

[real cloud]

Filter items then

Flip popular weapons/armor

[ebon idol]

When I said it got nerfed bad I didn't mean they are bad now, I just mean they got a lot of nerfs.

[limber kiln]

im sellin mate

[thick swallow]

U want to buff mage? ????

@fathom python

[limber kiln]

There is no excuse for this awful market system

[ebon idol]

Literally not what they said.

[thick swallow]

Every better player tells you that wizards and barbars are completly broken rn

[harsh belfry]

What do you guys think about being able to buy or loot a portal map that shows where the exit portals will pop up?

[fathom python]

me?

[ebon idol]

Loot, yes. Buy? No.

[thick swallow]

Not you, different rush sry bro 😄

[ebon idol]

Maybe a room with a boss where you can check a table map where they will spawn.

[gusty kettle]

heres another idea, jump over goblins so you cant get stuck in a corner

actually annoying

[ebon idol]

Not an item you can actually get.

[gusty kettle]

and maybe when u go invisible the monster swalk away

instead of takign a step every 3 seconds

[ebon idol]

Goblin caves and heal items... I feel like there are quite some. Do people look in corners and on stones etc?

In forgotten castle you can also often find bandages on stones sticking out the walls or on the ground.

[real cloud]

depends on the room

Some have loads of loot on the ground

A few of the mage rooms especially

[gusty kettle]

i like how they reduced fireball dmg but it still does 3/4 of ur health

as a barbarian

[ebon idol]

No?

[harsh belfry]

Non lootable but inspectable placements near mini bosses?

[real cloud]

what

Magic resist perk

makes mages a lot less dangerous

Not invincible type shit

But still

[ebon idol]

I play a cleric most of the time and mages casting fireball is better than them casting any other damage spell atm.

[long girder]

can we get explanations for what all the buffs do on weapons and gear its a tad confusing

[real cloud]

A unique item with a live map of you/your team would be nice + extra details that the minimap doesn’t give

Or it could replace the current minimap once you have the item in your inv

[ebon idol]

Yeah. You can't take them in or out, but interact to see the full map and where the portals will spawn, might be an idea.

[real cloud]

But at that point

You know where most loot is

[ebon idol]

It is very confusing.

[slow thistle]

chain lightning does p good too if you can hit it

[fleet thorn]

why is there so much hostility on this discord and the subreddit against banning teaming? pretty much most interactions in this game are hostile by default but any concept of discouraging or banning teaming is met with vitriol and i dont get it

its clearly a pvpve game not team up with everyone against monsters

[slow thistle]

do you mean random people deciding to join forces?

[ebon idol]

People get salty because they dislike communication with people.

I agree that premating and trying to get into the same lobby is pretty sus.

[fleet thorn]

yes. if i queue solo dungeon i expect solo ffa pvp anything goes, not 1v2 or 1v3s with people teaming up to clear rooms together and dunk on solos

similarly, if i queue trio into trio map and have to fight 3v6 it's ridiculous

[slow thistle]

The game is what you make of it; if you can talk your way out of conflict alls the better; besides how would you -ban- the practice? lmao

[ebon idol]

But if you randomly join forces with others to take on something you couldn't alone, it is a risk and reward.

[woven hollow]

Have the devs discussed adding some elements of the dungeons being randomized? Like traps, secret lever positions, mobs?

[ebon idol]

They added proximity chat for a reason.

[slow thistle]

There is a little bit of that but not a whole lot; Its a little hard to randomize some aspects of the dungeon experience

[ebon idol]

Randomisation adds to the chance of the game/map breaking.

[woven hollow]

Yeah i just think that without it more experienced players have huge advantages over someone playing for the first time. Over time will make it difficult for newbies

Not only will they be geared but knowledge makes the gap huge

[slow thistle]

funny part is most of the time if that even happens; that six man group usually devolves into backstabbing or some people getting screwed by not enough exit portals

[ebon idol]

More experienced players should have an advantage over less knowledgeable players.

[woven hollow]

That is healthy for the Game long term

[ebon idol]

I think so. It gives you a feeling of "next time I can do better"

[woven hollow]

Game is already brutal enough

[ebon idol]

Next time you know there is a wraith in that room. Next time you know where the good loot is. It adds to a learning experience.

[woven hollow]

I just think that adding some elements that change bring more interest in repeating dungeons and help close the gap between experience and gear

I’m playing for the first this weekend and learning is already hard

[jovial swan]

How would you guys feel if they added environmental "traps" that can be weaponized to one-shot enemies, but are one-time use?

Like a pillar you can push to down a whole horde if you needed to.

[ebon idol]

Hm.

I am undecided on that one.

[woven hollow]

Or like disabling a lever

Keeping someone who is planning on using a secret to get away no longer works

[split quartz]

idk about one shotting but having some interactable traps that do damage could be fun

[jovial swan]

Or a pile of debris you can knock over, a lever that lets a chandelier or object fall from the ceiling, a rope you can cut to do that same thing, or even a way to break the scaffolding holding certain areas up.

[ebon idol]

That would probably be a more enjoyable option.

[final crow]

Mann I thought my suggestion was pretty good 😂😂😂 Mind if I ask what you didn’t like?

[ebon idol]

Getting one-shotted by an enviromental trap just doesn't sound like fun. I would probably just avoid them completely.

[stuck perch]

That's because Fighter perks suck. Barbarian perks have way more synergy. Most of Fighter's perks only buff his defense rating or AR. The ones that don't are either situational or they require you to be dual wielding which isn't a common thing to do.

[ebon idol]

Fighter should get a parry. Something about disabling an enemy from attacking for a second or so if they block with their shield.

[final crow]

Yeah they need to add some sort of damage boost to fighters, since they are going with perk trees to unlock the perks, maybe split it down between defense and offense? Forcing fighters to choose full offense, full defense, or a mix

[final crow]

They do have one in a way, the longsword has it’s block and if you hit it successfully you can go straight into a quick swing

[split quartz]

tbh would like a shield bash on fighter, pushing things away would be nice and could be funny with pavise

[ebon idol]

I think making the fighter more defensive and the barb more offensive is a good split between the two classes, but the way the split is done doesn't feel quite right.

[ebon idol]

The block on the longsword might as well not exist at all for all I care. But I am cleric main, so fighter, feel free to disagree.

But I have yet to see a fighter actually pull that one off.

[stuck perch]

Fighters need to be able to choose between 2hand weapon, 2 1-hand weapons and 1-hand + shield and have perks that support all those fighting styles. This includes some defensive perks as much as offensive perks. The same applies to skills.

[split quartz]

oh im shite at longsword blocking but always try to do it anyway 😆 when that riposte hits it feels so juicy

[final crow]

I’m a barb main so I feel for the fighters haha. The damage output for the barb is insane, even without building for it. Put a fighter and barb 1 on 1 both with cleric buffs, and the barb still out tanks the fighter

[ebon idol]

Clerics are so strong in supporting, but seeing as they are the only support class it is hard to compare them with anything.

However you often see teams dying because their cleric refuses to ever go in.

[final crow]

At least, in most fights I’ve had against them. I’ve had a fighter hit me and I took no damage because I had my added 25% health and cleric buff.

[split quartz]

my fights against barbs usually end up being either spacing fights or me getting unexpectedly 1-tapped when i think i'm fine to tank a hit

[errant dawn]

Petition to release early access right after the play test ends

[ebon idol]

Everyone wants that, but I think the devs need some time to cook.

[unreal dawn]

Any idea on how to stop this Pavice Boss cheese?

[real cloud]

wdym

[split quartz]

like boss boss (lich/ghost king) or elite mobs?

[real cloud]

oh

if you mean troll

Will prob add a way to attack if it isn’t reaching the player or smth idk

[unreal dawn]

Yeah like the troll being able to bash the shield once its placed down or something

just walked in 2 games and had rangers cheesin it. Kinda lame

[split quartz]

didn't they make placed pavises breakable or is that only from player attacks like fireball?

[ebon idol]

The troll doesn't attack, that is the problem.

[unreal dawn]

Not sure, atm the troll just sits there and takes arrows to the face

[ebon idol]

It infinitely tries to get close enough to attack.

[real cloud]

Just wasn’t taken into account yet

[split quartz]

guess the ai could use some work then

[ebon idol]

Give it a ranged attack and it will work.

[real cloud]

Might see a patch on it this test? Not sure

[real cloud]

god no

[real cloud]

.

[ebon idol]

Stone throw!

[brisk glade]

"One tapped" at 40%HP

[real cloud]

charge attack already makes melee only super rough

[split quartz]

nah when i say one tapped it's usually more around 70-80%, so not exactly 100-0 but still a big chunk

i'm like "oh i'm high hp i can take a hit right" and forget my gear isn't exactly amazing

[ebon idol]

I think the circle is very important. Only a limited amount of portals spawn, and they always spawn in the current circle. I feel like if you take it out, you either need dedicated extract areas (extract camping will be a thing) or you need to spawn portals near players so they can hear them. Both feels very unfun.

[warm yew]

are there any plans to boost the economy at all? really hurts to have to sell a green weapon for 6 gold when it probably costs 50 to buy it

[ebon idol]

my man you have been scammed

[split quartz]

i assume you mean selling to merchants right?

[warm yew]

yeah

[ebon idol]

There is a p2p trading hub

[warm yew]

are they all just scammers?

[lethal mulch]

i wish they fixed goblin AI

the randomly back off and when you come to hit them thein instantly hit you back

without possible counter

[ebon idol]

The merchants don't pay you a lot for gear.

Only other players pay well.

It is to boost the economy, the player 2 player economy that is.

If you got good prices at the merchants, you would not take valuables over gear.

Valuables will always get you good money, but items can get you more or less, depending what other players are prepared to pay for it. It is a economy between the two trading systems.

[ebon idol]

Goblins have a chance to run away when you hit them. They are not brave and get scared. As for the instant attack, that one sucks.

Baiting out one attack then counter works best for me.

You are slowed during the attack animation, so you can't escape their counter if you go in swinging.

[lethal mulch]

also i would love some kind of mining cave

as a map

where there are more ores

taht you can mine

[final crow]

Dang everyone poo’d on my suggestion 😂 I thought it was pretty neat

[lethal mulch]

with stronger mobs

also adding some kind of hideout

like tarkov has

[lethal mulch]

also when archers target you through wall instead of following you

and random aimbot noscopes

[final crow]

Or follow you in rogue stealth haha

[lethal mulch]

ikr

[ebon idol]

Quests are already in work, I am sure more long term motivation is also going to happen.

[final crow]

Bubble, I need to know which part of my suggestion you didn’t like :3 Was it one part or all of it?

[ebon idol]

I agree to AI fixed when it comes to stealth and line of sight.

[bleak monolith]

Lol that’s nothing I was at 110 hp with good gear on and a barb hit me for 90hp 🤣 through my shield no less

[ebon idol]

Just the instant kill. Interactable dungeon parts like breaking pillars or explosive barrels could be fun.

[final crow]

Oh I mean’t the multiple floors to the dungeon and the arena :3

[shrewd wasp]

Can someone explain why devs haven't touched barbs this whole week, but wizard got nerfed multiple times

[ebon idol]

Ah. Well, I like the shorter, more condensed rounds.

More floors would take a lot more time and I don't always have the time to commit to such long runs to get decent gear.

[final crow]

Fair enough. It would be a little bit tedious to have to go through 5 floors to get decent loot

[ebon idol]

There is probably going to be a first floor.