suggestion-discussion

[upbeat pewter]

its pretty funny that people immediately think fortnight level skins

[lusty stream]

NERF Cleric pls! he is way to powerful 1vs1. 2 headshots on a cleric with no helmet with default arming sword (fighter) and i could hardly see it on he's health?!? Seems a bit to much

[upbeat pewter]

you can be against bad skins

[stuck perch]

That's what selling cosmetics invariably leads to.

[elder quest]

Yeah I don't think you need to exaggerate 😅

[upbeat pewter]

thats fine

but being against skins in general is silly.

they've already shown the skeleton and elf as 'skins' even if they'll be used as races.

those are very acceptable

i assume it will be more than that, but how much more is the question

[stuck perch]

Yes because they're created with the intent of increasing the quality of the game. Not increasing profit through micro transactions.

[hallow saffron]

it doenst lead to fortnite level skins. look at CSGO lmfao

[grand apex]

thats why i said, i would rather prefere a consistant way of monitizing the game, then the skin-spiral that it will lead to eventually. - like a persistant ad in the top of the menu, or some stuff like that.

[elder quest]

Yes but that isn't really for us to decide

[grand apex]

no. but we can discuss it i guess 🙂

[elder quest]

You can hope, for sure

[upbeat pewter]

just because you prefer something doesnt make it a good idea.

the devs definitely seem to know what they are doing.

[hallow saffron]

^

[upbeat pewter]

if they want to experiment with skins, let them

[hallow saffron]

and only games that have in game ads like that are F2P which this isnt going to be

[grand apex]

yea the seem pretty cool.

[upbeat pewter]

if they want to go sub, let them try that

we can prefer any number of things.

but they are the ones qualified to make the call

[elder quest]

Yup

[upbeat pewter]

they could even go p2w lite, like poe.

[grand apex]

agreed. the game is great as it is. that was the whole point. not going "overboard" with shit and overexpanding is the key

[upbeat pewter]

cant doomsay on that though before they've started.

theres the possibility the make the game into a single player bow fps

jumping to that extreme is stupid as well

[grand apex]

i mean, after playing games in the 1990s and seeing what we get published now... i think its fair to say that ALOT of companies went extreme

so here is to praying 🙂

[upbeat pewter]

that doesnt mean you jump to extreme on every little thing

it means you leave when they do something you dont like

[elder quest]

Either way I don't think that this particular topic is beneficial in any way to discuss for us players but rather just the devs ar ironmace

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, basically lol

[late merlin]

We need a solo high roller dungeon devs plz

[upbeat pewter]

meh

i found the solo dungeon really boring

the dungeon itself was great, but solo vs solos was just... bad.

[ornate crater]

^

[upbeat pewter]

pretty much every time i went in there it was people running as a group and murdering everyone else anyways

[ornate crater]

If you can't handle high risk high reward 1 v 3, change your playstyle

Solo high roll will be dominated by either Barbs or naked Wizards

[ember tulip]

How about removing the zone for several things you can’t explore places in the map and sometimes you need time to fight ai and players if just change it with a timer like in EFT that would be cool also for that maybe make the portals respon randomly on present depends on Ayers the more close to center the higher% ,add a default portal extraction so it’s always there maybe in a boos room or some , how about a new room boos need require item like key or sacrifice to make it open it would be cool instead of adding new maps you can just improve the original one

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i much prefer the idea of the circle only indicating exit spawns, but otherwise being completely non threatening

[ornate crater]

Only zone change we need is slow it down a bit in deeper level

[upbeat pewter]

people are so worried about PvP, but it doesnt really change that at all. people will still fight over stuff, especially exits

[ornate crater]

Or once we get bigger, procedurally generated map

[upbeat pewter]

the map will never be procedurally generated

[ornate crater]

Lame

[split quartz]

i do think some static alternative exits to portals like that one staircase in goblin cave would be interesting to see in the main map

[upbeat pewter]

the devs likely use a system to randomise their 'tilesets' to link together, then pick the ones they like to go into the live pool.
i dont like static exits at all really, the portals are great.

the only issue with portals is that they still sometimes spawn in places that cannot be reached, like against a wall under a torch, ect

[ornate crater]

Static exits make sense only foe bigger maps, where games last for 20+ minutes and after killing a boss od sort

[split quartz]

i'm fine with portals tbh just thought it'd be nice to have more points of conflict

[upbeat pewter]

i dont know if static even adds something good to the game. the portals are great.

people already have very high points of contact in HR

like.. i had no trouble ever finding PvP if i wanted it

[ornate crater]

It adds exit campers and that's the only ways some ppl know how to play games

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, agreed.

i meant anything good

[zenith flame]

Multiple floors shouldn't be used all throughout maps, they should only be for one or two small areas in each map. When the circles end in areas with multiple floors that are inaccessible except going through other rooms, it makes it pure RNG on whether or not you can escape. Escape should be reward for survival, while requiring some activity. Not impossible no matter the gear/skill because of RNG.

[ember tulip]

Thats what i mean but sometimes you need to extract for some reson you must respect that so adding something like extract portal will be helpful for them#

[upbeat pewter]

exit camping portals imo is fine, because there are usually alternatives.

there are plenty of portals atm though, so many die to AI, theres more than enough for everyone usually

[ornate crater]

Not if you look at games like tarkov where some maps have only two usable exits

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i mean portals themselves, not static

static = bad imo

[ornate crater]

Very bad

[ember tulip]

They give you like 4

[upbeat pewter]

in solo?

[ember tulip]

Eft ?

[upbeat pewter]

oh, yeah, depends on the map

[ember tulip]

Yes

[upbeat pewter]

factory has 1, and others require keys

[ember tulip]

But i dont wanna chane vipe of dark so i just suggested to add one just in case

You know sometimes you need to extract for several resons

[ornate crater]

Yes, one static but appears only after a boss of sort

Random portals are already super easy to find and use

[ember tulip]

Ya alright thats good too

[upbeat pewter]

i honestly wouldnt mind boss portals.

[ornate crater]

If not, you go deeper

[upbeat pewter]

that allow you to fight as long as you want.

maybe a timer

[ornate crater]

But again, statics make sense only once they give bigger map

[ember tulip]

Ya and imagine if they add new boss like door need a key to open it or that blue hart

To fight him

That would be cool

[dim bane]

Like a sacrifice altar where you have to put in a soul heart to fight em

or maybe after the fight a soul heart to open a loot room

[ember tulip]

I would like to see floors too its a dungeon it gonna be more fun to see floors lvl the more deep its more deficit

[dim bane]

meaning you either bring one in or have to have a sacrifice

[ember tulip]

Yes thats what i say adding animations in it wonderful

[ornate crater]

The idea of taking hearts is cool, but it would require some sort of balancing it out

Like, takes X seconds to loot it

So ppl dont just sprint in, snatch it and go

[iron crane]

Why is the game so laggy, anyone else experience this? Last playtest i didnt have the slightest, this one really sucked becauuse of the lag IMO

[ornate crater]

Unless we talking about your team's own heart

[ornate crater]

Describe what you mean by laggy

Fps, ping, rubber banding?

[iron crane]

We're talking rubber band lvl

[ornate crater]

Maybe higher load on servers due to higher popularity

[iron crane]

That's also my first thought, due to the increase in players it wouldn't make sense to compare to last playtest, ty anyways guys :)=

[neat horizon]

I think the bigger problem of this is that everyone would take the soul after they kill someone so you wouldnt be able to revive your teammates unless you were killed by an npc

[ornate crater]

Easiest solution would be that you can see your teammates' hearts at all time when picked up by hostiles. Disadvantage to not finishing off your battles

Also maybe once you pick up enemy heart, you can't throw it out or some other sort of preventing griefing with throwing it in some weird places

[real trellis]

.shortinfo 1598331

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Gucci'o#4888

Bows and Arrows

Bows shouldn't have unlimited ammo.
If it comes to a reload animation it should probably stay. I am not a fan of this but I understand why is it there.
Arrows should be a lootable object you can find in chests and archer enemies.
Ranger would start with 12 arrows and a Quiver.
New ranger skill that would allow arrow conjuring.
New item that can only be dual wielded with bows and crossbows: Quiver. You could store arrows there to save space in the inventory.

I hope I didn't forget about anything...

Opinion:

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Suggestion ID: 1598331 | Submitted at · Feb 12, 2023, 12:03 PM

[real trellis]

12 arrows isn't enough to clear some starter rooms you're off your gourd

[split quartz]

Realistically i'd expect a ranger to "regen" arrows by resting at a campfire to make some more but balancing the whole limited ammo thing seems like it'd be pretty rough

[ornate crater]

If ppl really have a problem with Ranger's arrows, we could start with longer reload animation and see what this does

Also we'd have to get into whole argument of weapon durability

[upbeat pewter]

people are so desperate to nerf classes that kill them

its kind of annoying

[ornate crater]

Why ranger has limited arrows and swords and shields dont break

[upbeat pewter]

the biggest problem in the game, atm, is one shots

rangers having 12 arrows doesnt stop one shots

[ornate crater]

I only get those from Barbs with basic axe

[upbeat pewter]

yep

[ornate crater]

I've never met Ranger that one shots

[upbeat pewter]

barbs can one shot all classes but fighter and barb, with their base gear

rangers can easily one shot with windlass and some strength

or just windlass

getting any +weapon damage helps too.

[ornate crater]

Perhaps I don't see that as I just use shield

And push them

[upbeat pewter]

shields are terrible

[ornate crater]

They are not smart enough to shoot my feet

[upbeat pewter]

i dont think its really fair to judge based on bad players, though

[ornate crater]

It's the majority that is bad

And then they are regulars and tryhards

[upbeat pewter]

well, yeah, but most of those are dead before they leave their first few rooms

not worth talking about really

[ornate crater]

Most of them die to white skeletons

[upbeat pewter]

but on that, one shots are the only real problem in the game atm

which is mostly barbs, running at light speed with full agility gear.

[languid lodge]

pretend teaming should be bannable

[strong shale]

Yea, not a chance LOL

[languid lodge]

Im entirely salty though so im fully willing to double down with no backing to my argument

[regal heron]

Would be nice if one could set the game to run @ 30 fps while in lobby, energy conservation reasons lol

[upbeat pewter]

pretend teaming? lol

thats the whole reason the karma system exists.

you can avoid people that are trying to be scummy by avoiding low level characters

[sturdy olive]

is it already suggested to give fighters using of the bows back? fighters should be allowed to use anyithing with a damage penalty ofc. in the playtest you could use bows

[hallow saffron]

i cannot wait for you to run into a rogue with 45 agi 20 str who one shots you. they run at light speed

[upbeat pewter]

im fine with rogues having access to one shots. they need their CDs to do it, and die really easily as well

barbs have one shots, tankiness, speed, MR, physical damage reduction, low armour requirements.... the list goes on

[hallow saffron]

barb does NOT have good phys damage reduction. They can BARELY get 150 which is still less then 50% phys reduction

[upbeat pewter]

their staple skill reduces physical damage dealt by 25%

fear

[hallow saffron]

only if people are in the fear AOE

[upbeat pewter]

which you kind of need to be for a large majority of physical damage

but sure, if you want to nitpick.

[regal parrot]

It's a good move but it's not game breaking

[upbeat pewter]

im not saying it on its own is gamebreaking. its the combination of everything that they have that is.

[regal parrot]

Every class is good minus I'd say fighter

[upbeat pewter]

especially when combined with speed, and other support, they are basically immortal, and run faster than everyone else.

and again, highest hp pool but also take the least melee+magic damage

barbs are extremely broken atm

[hallow saffron]

okay lets think about it properly darknesse. You know barb has fear. They use fear, you fall back slightly, then go in when fear wears off cause it shows on buff bar.

they also HAVE to take either smash OR magic heart. if they take magic heart, close doors. if they take magic heart MELT THEM WITH MAGIC!

Barbs are strong yes, but not the unstoppable monsters you people continuously make them out to be. They have a SMALL armour pool, and only a large MR pool if they take the free 100 MR PERK

[regal parrot]

I wouldn't say so. Every class has good benefits that can be seen as broken

[upbeat pewter]

i stopped at you fall back.

[hallow saffron]

oh are you saying that we shouldnt play around other characters kits?

[upbeat pewter]

barbs stack agility, and movespeed. they take a movespeed option, and usually run with a wizard. this puts them at the highest move speed in the game

you just think someone should walk away from that? lol

[hallow saffron]

THEY CAN

do it all the time. haste ISNT that long.

and no a good barb does NOT stack agility and ms

[upbeat pewter]

what does a good barb stack, then?

[regal parrot]

well..

[hallow saffron]

but w/e you say you clearly are just doomsaying about barbs. like jesus christ they arent busted

[upbeat pewter]

STR? why? they already one-two shot most players

[hallow saffron]

actually play the damn game

[regal parrot]

a..

I dont agree that you can't outrun barbs, but they are fast generally

[upbeat pewter]

most barbs i die to run faster than i do. this being.. a wizard running as fast as i can usually, with haste/invis.

[regal parrot]

I havent played against giga kit barbs, but

nah wizards are often slow tbh

[upbeat pewter]

i run without pants, a hat, and with a book. with 16% haste movement speed, noone should outrun me

[regal parrot]

maybe it's HR skill difference but every wizard I see are walking ducks compared to rogue/ranger

[upbeat pewter]

depends on if they are solo, or supporting a barb, really.

but yeah, rogues may be faster at high gear

[neat horizon]

Also enemy souls could be consumed by Wizards and Clerics so they can regain +1 of each spell

[regal parrot]

it may be that you are meta gaming and discussing that difference compared to 99% of playerbase

[hallow saffron]

YES THEY BUILD STR AND AGI.

STR = HP AND DAMAGE.

AGI = AS and MS.

Barbs start at 30 STR which gives them a 15% PDB. which is a lot yes but not busted. This brings them to 165% headshot damage, add in 10 str (ez to get) another 10% PDB. THATS where they start oneshotting.

Add in weapon damage, true damage, some agi. THATS where they start oneshotting.

11 AGI is NEGATIVE bonus' from the stat. until they get to 15 barbs have less ms and as.

This means that their negative MS from helm is MULTIPLIED until they get four AGI from stats.

Once they get four agi THEN all MS bonuses they get begin to be applied. At 9 bonus AGI they attack 5% faster then base fighter and move slightly slower then base fighter.

A good barb is going to stack STR, %PDB, Flat damage, Phys dmg reduction, MR, MS and AGI.

In that order. The reason STR is important is because it is more HP and MORE DAMAGE. a barb needs to do those oneshots or have high damage otherwise whats the point you are a moving tank. Base gear for barb giving them 59 MR is less then what cleric gets from just the will stat alone. They also have 27 AC which is SEVEN. SEVEN damage reduction.

Barbs are NOT unkillable.

[regal parrot]

because I never see fast wizards

i see some naked ones and they are faster ofc but they arent like crazy

[upbeat pewter]

barbs dont need str to one shot. you just get a better weapon and call it a day, lol.

the only thing they need to kill is move speed.

like, you wouldnt turn down more str, but i dont se why you'd intentionally seek it

and 15% physical is applied before headshot bonus, which is a final multi.

[regal parrot]

I would have to see agi barb with wizard cus atm I think you can outrun them if need be

[upbeat pewter]

how can you outrun a movement speed barb, though?

at best, you'd have their move speed (gear). barbs have a move speed buff AND run with wizards for haste

[regal parrot]

Offset by weapons making them slower imo

id have to see numbers

[hallow saffron]

no headshot bonus is applied as so

[upbeat pewter]

you just put the weapon away

[hallow saffron]

165/100

it is not applied after, its done as the math of 35(165/100) = 66 WITH NO PERKS

[upbeat pewter]

ive already done the testing on headshot damage. with a 19 damage dagger, i hit for 57 headshot.

[hallow saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a7nyGGJbiw8II43H0o2Qm5kEnEHrsoZCYHjwKZZ2MqQ/edit?usp=sharing

i did the testing for this

14 damage dagger no perks is 19 to the head.

[upbeat pewter]

thats 19 * 2.0 (50% weak point, 50% ambush) for 38, increased by 50% from headshot mod.

[neat horizon]

that's why they're op

[hallow saffron]

30% ambush

headshot multiplier is only 150% it is not a 200% bonus

[upbeat pewter]

do i seriously need to quote rogue ambush damage again?

whats with people thinking its 30%

its 50%.

[hallow saffron]

my bad ambush is 50%

[upbeat pewter]

go and look.

[hallow saffron]

was thinking diff skill

[upbeat pewter]

yes, backstab is 30%

[hallow saffron]

i was reading wrong skill at first

MY BAD either way headshot damage is only a 1.5X multiplier

[upbeat pewter]

but 2.5 mod on a 19 damage dagger is 47.

i hit just short of 60

headshot is a final multi

[hallow saffron]

NO ITS NOT. you add your phys damage bonus to the multiplier thats how it works.

[upbeat pewter]

you're just wrong.

so im not going to bother. its already been tested.

[hallow saffron]

dagger expert makes your 150% headshot go to 155 when attack with a dagger

I SPENT EIGHTEEN HOURS TESTING THIS SHIT

[upbeat pewter]

only to get the wrong info

[hallow saffron]

I LINKED YOU THE EXCEL SHEET

you are so braindead it hurts

[upbeat pewter]

if thats the way you handle arguements....

im blocking you.

[hallow saffron]

'YOU GAIN A PHYSICAL DAMAGE BONUS" when attacking

ITS ADDED TO YOUR WEAPON BEFORE PDD IS MULTIPLIED.

its not multiplied

ambush adds 50% weapon damage to the PDB multiplier so your 19 dagger becomes a26-28 dagger,
Turning that attack into a 28(185/100) attack
If you use weakpoint that is now 37(185/100)
68.45 is your damage.

Your math is entirely wrong

like jesus christ. the math in this game isnt that difficult. use a bloody calculator.

Barbarian is NOT an unkillable war machine like you think it is Dark. Play the game, play the class, use the skills. PROPERLY READ THEM. DO THE MATH. ACTUALLY LEARN. DO not just sit in an echo chamber repeating your self over and over again and ACTUALLY LEARN.

[sweet bramble]

A lot of characters do have exclusive weapons and armor for their class only, I was wondering if a kite shield would be a good addition for the fighters, as a uncommon drop or even legendary shield option. Since they're one of the coolest shield designs and practicality great. For wider protection and more body cover, but heavier, and at the cost of kinda bad crouch blocking and slight more visions obstructik

[restive aurora]

where is the suggestion that they invest in good anti cheat software lol?

mfs have a hack to disconnect u from the game now lmao. epic stuff

[hallow saffron]

????

[restive aurora]

why the ??? does that need further explanation lol

[hallow saffron]

yes cause This is the first talk about a ddoss/game kick cheat in the discord

do you have video evidence? know for a fact that it wasnt a connection drop on your end?

[restive aurora]

there is a supposed desync cheat out. we keep getting disconnected in some raids while wearing legendary shit. im not sure how it works because I don't have the cheats lol. but if you google "dark and darker cheats" you can read all about it

hopefully they get some form of anti cheat in the future otherwise this is gonna get worse than tarkov real quick

[hallow saffron]

apparently there is an issue in highroller if thats where you were but I really doubt theres a working desync cheat

[sweet bramble]

I can't believe someone had the balls to suggest, or rather demand they release the game right now. And then they got smacked appropriately

[gray geode]

Can someone explain to me why people want wizard's invis to break when taking damage? Am I missing some meta stuff, that would make it broken if it didn't break?

[hallow saffron]

would you like an invisible barbarian or rogue sprinting at you eran?

[gray geode]

they can already do thar

[hallow saffron]

where you bap em after they go invis but they stay invis and continue to sprint at you

[gray geode]

it lasts few seconds

[sweet bramble]

Even a rouge loses invisible if you hit them

[hallow saffron]

think of it in terms of DND invis, its a concentration spell. They lose focus, they get revealed. They get hit, they get revealed

[sweet bramble]

Why should the wizard get special treatment that makes them broken

[gray geode]

I didnt know rouge's invis breaks too

[sweet bramble]

Just gotta clonk em on the head

[gray geode]

i only made the suggestion coz it's annoying when you're a solo wizard and you get hit by a goblin or ganked by rogue

[azure arch]

does anyone know if a monk class is coming?

[swift sage]

Stiletto dagger goes trough ennemies if you're too close to them, fix it please

Or they just have to slightly look down to avoid every hit, its annoying in any form

Being close is part of the playstyle and the range is already bad in my opinion, but if the dagger just go through ennemies without hitting when too close, its like 2 handicaps makes it really boring to play

And hitting spider with it is like punching with someone else in a dream

💤

[brisk folio]

Why do people want duo dungeon

You can queue with 2 right now

[worthy spear]

i think the same reason some people wanted solos. if you only have 2 people to play with at the time it can be rough going against a 3 stack

[distant citrus]

do not @ random people in a chat for no reason

[brisk folio]

Wanting a solo when you can get 3v1 is somewhat understandable but you can 2v3 just fine

[hallow saffron]

logic on what ?

[distant citrus]

then why am I being included? I didnt say anything

[brisk folio]

Having duo queue will kill 3’s

[distant citrus]

you dont Need you Want learn the difference

[wintry bison]

Bru you really pinged us for that? xD

[brisk folio]

Also you’re much more likely to run into 3’s in the castle right now

Like so much higher than last play test

[hallow saffron]

oh because if there was a text chat in game it would be lobby wide right, and if you can see text chat from people all the way across the entire run. There wouldnt be a solid way for there to be location base text appearing

[formal maple]

hey @weak rampart , i think a big point of text chat would be it would ruin the seriousness or immersion the devs intend for the game

because not gonna lie, the game is pretty nice in immersion

[hallow saffron]

yes but Hunt is a MUCH larger playing area

and not so dependent on EVERY second mattering.

[distant citrus]

again even if it was there is no NEED for you to know that it would still be a WANT but I guess you don't have enough inelegance to understand that difference

[wintry bison]

To me it just takes away a little from the experience if you can just comunicate telepathically in a dungeon

[formal maple]

if the devs intend for immersion, then yes, no text chat.

also, how would the idea of text chat be implemented in an adventure?

[limber dock]

nah bro u seriously didn't just ping everyone who downvoted your suggestion

[formal maple]

i think thats a different topic

but it seems that you are very passionate about your suggestion

just remember that this is a place for discussion, and you should be open for discussion 👍

there is an option to have Party Only voice chat

your opinion has been noted 👍

[limber dock]

suggestion: discord
suggestion: party voip

[hallow saffron]

like if your argument is gonna be "people are communicating over discord and not using VOIP" I can... kind of see where youre coming from for the immersion thing. However proximity text chat wouldnt really work well in this kind of tight space PVPVE scenario where you wont be able to properly stop and type out what you want.

okay I have to ask, are you a mute?

[wintry bison]

It's not that big a deal tho, I don't care if there's text chat between teammates either, but speaking is quicker when fighting

[formal maple]

to be honest, you wouldnt get huge laughs from text chat like this: https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/UPSz3ArXBUneN/d13375wtaoJ0?invite=cr-MSxvZGIsMjMwNTMzNTMs

[limber dock]

Dude do you really wanna start texting in the middle of a match?

[formal maple]

👁️

[hallow saffron]

no my friend is a mute, they prefer the "a" before hand.

but I guess to each their own

[formal maple]

i dont know man, why ist a big deal for you? @heady wren(sry wrong ping)

@weak rampart why ist a big deal for you

[limber dock]

Oh that's crazy if they only cared about the opinion of the majority (who, it seems, does not include you)

[worthy spear]

should be a way to rotate items in your inventory** instead im sitting here trying to play tetris while looting

[formal maple]

yeah someone should make a suggestion of that

i dont know but @weak rampart ya need to calm down

many would say you're seething as of the current moment

[limber dock]

People who need a text chat LITERALLY are not the majority of players lol

And if they were, people would've suggested that way before you did so there's that

[formal maple]

though, to give credit when it's due, an in-adventure text chat option wouldnt hurt if it was turned on through settings(not default), as text chat only players might need it when in-game.

[neat horizon]

#d-and-d-suggestions message dash should be barbarian's ability

[formal maple]

it should be clear though that text-chat players arent majority.

and thus the devs might not want to put resources into it

[hallow saffron]

Barlakopofai, being sarcastic and rude isnt the way to discuss shit.
Sure Proximity text chat COULD be a thing in the future just like how THIS playtest they added a VOIP which was not a part of previous tests.
Make the suggestion, provide proper reasoning to your suggestion. Maybe they will. Based off what your suggestion is, it looks like you want to add a lobby wide text chat. Maybe suggest a Proximity text chat similar to Hunt Showdown.

[limber dock]

What does that even have to do with anything? It's not black are white, there's also people that wouldn't either use the Voip or the Text chat bro the hell are u on???

[formal maple]

read this @weak rampart

[wintry bison]

I agree that a party only chat should be there at least. It's difficult to communicate with people w no voice, but again it's not that hard to activate the mic

[worthy spear]

alot of people just dont want to talk. i really doubt a lot of pc players dont have a headset mic to talk into

[limber dock]

If you don't want to understand what I'm saying then don't, and keep crying all you want while your suggestions keeps denied!

[hallow saffron]

yeah so ima make the suggesiton fo ryou

[distant citrus]

I actually do have VOIP enabled and still most of the time choose not to talk as there are other signals to use in game to communicate with other players that make less noise and is faster

[hallow saffron]

since you are so stupid and angry that you cannot comprehend that you are just failing at the basic human deceny aspect of these tests

[formal maple]

muh te-text cha-ch 😭

[brisk folio]

This is your average felling axe user

[formal maple]

learn how to take an opinion @weak rampart

and ur life will become easier

[distant citrus]

then you lack creativity

[wintry bison]

This is such a gamer situation hahaha

[formal maple]

ahaha i always tried voiping but the only ever time i heard someone voip was
"I HATE ASIANS" in the lobby before going into the game

[wintry bison]

Literally text book example

[prisma haven]

Id say text chat in general would be nice

[worthy spear]

i do it just for fun interactions or banter while fighting.. lmaooo

[limber dock]

"I can't have a discord chat with my friends, I need to have the devs to spend their time making a system that only 1% of the players are gonna use!!!1!11!"

[formal maple]

no one is saying its not, we're all just bullying barlak for not taking an opinion rn

[hallow saffron]

no the gamer moment is everyone agreeing that you are just absolutely going TOO SILLY

[limber dock]

Mf really be saying "You opinion? Invalid. My opinion? Valid"

[worthy spear]

barla. you actually are losing it rn.. its simply not that deep.

i promise

[lime crystal]

Suggestion from Hallwack#8651
quick keybind for putting stuff in stash and out of stash like shift+mouse click
Votes
Opinion: +10
Upvotes: 12 85.71%
Downvotes: 2 14.28%

[worthy spear]

LMAOAOOAO

[hallow saffron]

AGAIN YOUR SUGGESTION WAS WORDED TERRIBLY.

[limber dock]

Man's main focus on life is a text chat feature on a game that isn't even on early access yet

[hallow saffron]

I made a new suggestion worded properly and not antagonistic. If you truly wish for prox text chat go upvote it.

[lime crystal]

it is allready in the game @celest wind

[formal maple]

hey, in the past 30 years, games used to have "lives" or "hearts remaining", its not exactly the same now :/
and also, online video games were not a thing till like cod mw2 & halo(lets be real)

not to mention the elephant in the room, 2D graphics.

[limber dock]

You literally pinged. 8 people. Who downvoted it. It's not "everyone but you saying it's not". Only u need that bro.

[formal maple]

FYI - Voice chat has been available since PS2 I think

[hallow saffron]

mate... I am sorry that you think devs who dont speak english are gonna understand your very rude way of speaking.

[formal maple]

oh really? @weak rampart

damn, thats sad. @weak rampart

[limber dock]

Says the anime pfp? No point

[green spire]

ever hear of ultima online? was ground breaking like the first mmo. and i think it came out in 2000?

[celest wind]

just found this out

[formal maple]

i wish i can remember it but i do know the name

[distant citrus]

so you are ok with harassing children?

[hallow saffron]

HELL YEAH IM ANIME NOW MOM

[formal maple]

@limber dock 's profile is our 2012 dreams, respect.

[limber dock]

"Minecraft is bad because, ha, minecraft, the bestseller game ever i guess?" -You

[formal maple]

baby boy is trying to forcefeed his ideologies down people's throat 😭 ~~~

man, your suggestion is great, but you made it trash

[limber dock]

I literally have it since then, won't ever change it if I don't get a better one, don't care about opinions lol

[green spire]

force feeding just results in puking

[formal maple]

your best option is to shoo out of here because you sulked this chat.

ye? @weak rampart

yes 🙂

😭

[limber dock]

Bro, just accept that you're not getting anywhere with this. You're not convincing anyone, you're not making any future suggestion about it get up voted, you're literally getting nowhere. Literally no point about still talking.

[hallow saffron]

no barla you were being extremely antagonistic with your suggestion,
"Add text chat, why do you hate mute people? What is it with this genre and removing every possible option to communicate besides voice chat?"
Do you not see how rude and unprofessional your suggestion was? When making a suggestion that you want implemented you actually have to put thought and reasoning behind it if you want game devs to properly look at it.

[limber dock]

If i remember correctly you said im a swiss boy so that doesn't apply to me? thanks

[upbeat pewter]

imagine pinging everyone that disagrees with you, just to find out why.

text chat doesnt have volume or direction. its simple really.

[limber dock]

if it were for that and not to trashtalk

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, thats what i expect from people pining others in

[distant citrus]

100% accurate and why I downvoted

[formal maple]

anyways

fellas

[limber dock]

again, ^^^^^

[formal maple]

wdyt about 5 player lobbies?

[worthy spear]

nah, barla is the main character, were just living in his world, LMAOO

[formal maple]

as a separate game mode

[limber dock]

they said it would be troubling, probably wouldn't happen

[formal maple]

as a separate game mode?

[limber dock]

yeah we're just his enemies he has to defeat us with insults!

[worthy spear]

LMAOOOO

[hallow saffron]

the only NPC here is you mate.

I can here the skyrim NPC music coming from you at this moment

[formal maple]

Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don’t. @weak rampart

[worthy spear]

im actually crying, thanks for the entertainment this morning barla. but you seriously do need help.

[hallow saffron]

are you calling yourself less then human?

[formal maple]

when did they discuss 5 player lobbies @limber dock

[wanton forum]

I'm confused about what any of this even is about but a text chat wouldn't be the end of the world at all for a party. Not everyone is going to make continued use of it but for the sake of communicative accessibility it doesn't take away anything really.

[hallow saffron]

I am trying to put 2 and 2 together on how that sentence you wrote Barla is you insulting me. You agreed that the skyrim npc music is coming from you a "person" (YOUR WORDS) with very limited programming

[wanton forum]

I feel like it might be lower on the list of things the devs might be focusing on building up to at the moment.

[hallow saffron]

the issue isnt the want of a text chat thats party/prox chat. the issue is Barla was terrible at describing what they were suggesting and antagonistic

[jolly notch]

I'm pretty sure someone has already suggested this , but I really think they should add a feature so you can compare gear with what you have equipped

[wanton forum]

I read a bit of what was going on and it's really whatever to me at this point. The discord in general is rife with people having poorer communication skills in general, doubling down on needlessly bad takes and then the casual troll/jackass receiving natural backlash for being rude.

[quartz sentinel]

@warped robin I feel like there already isn’t enough people in the gathering hall so separating is kinda hurtful! If you want low expectations you can invite other low levels from gathering hall and that usually helps me level

[distant citrus]

the bigger issues was the fact that Barla then called out and @ all the people that downvoted their suggestion demanding an explination

[hallow saffron]

Barla... I am literate. You just are a lot less smart then you think you are.

In response to me saying I Hear Skyrim NPC music coming from you, YOU SAID "Yep, that sure is coming from a "person" with very limited programming"

If you were insulting me you would have said "yeah and thats coming from a "person" with very limited programming"

[wanton forum]

Whoever starts what becomes irrelevant really quick because instead of just owning how your behavior will piss someone off folk tend to just do the bizarre internet shit flinging contest.

But on the topic of a text chat being implemented into party play, nothing at all wrong with it.

[hallow saffron]

nowhere in your insult to me did you... turn the insult to me.

[upbeat pewter]

which is pretty rude, honestly. im considering blocking @ mentions just to stop those people, lol.

[hallow saffron]

oh my lord. please go back to school, pick up a book.

youre giving me more brain worms then a drunk blonde in college

I have to actually block this person before I lose more braincells. They legit cannot speak with a voice but don't understand the basics of the english language or how sentence structure works.

[wanton forum]

Has anyone seen a suggestion for potentially changing the interaction on trap springing with pressure pads or rogues being able to rearm traps? It's incredibly minor but to me springing floor spikes and wall spikes should be something that be redone.

Or at the very least for something like floor spikes, throwing a torch on it should just keep it active.

[hallow saffron]

I would love for torches to be able to activate the traps tbh

[upbeat pewter]

on this, i still dont see how you could walk through a set of spikes coming out of the ground, in most cases.

[wanton forum]

You can, it'll just hurt in game and on top of that, using torches on floor spikes works but it'll keep springing it instead of keeping it active the whole time.

[upbeat pewter]

im not really worried about asthetic problems, tbh

nothing that minor, at least

[wanton forum]

That one is less aesthetic and more interactive.

[ornate crater]

Imo if floor spikes are out they should not deal damage unless you jump on them. The gaps are large enough to slow walk on it

[hallow saffron]

itd be interesting if you could block off an area by keeping a floor trap sprung but that seems a bit counter intuitive

[upbeat pewter]

if the dev's intention is for people to not be able to walk through them, i dont think that a torch should solve that

[wanton forum]

Feel like it would be a bit too frustrating overall if you had movement impeded.

[upbeat pewter]

im yet to find a trap i cant walk around otherwise

[hallow saffron]

I honestly just trigger then jump just as the trap is going in and I can clear it without taking damage on most occasions

[quartz sentinel]

hidden room in the library,

[wanton forum]

Unless it's just one completely in the way yeah you don't have to disarm anything really.

[upbeat pewter]

im not telling you, but there is a way around that

[quartz sentinel]

lamp?

[upbeat pewter]

im not confirming or denying anything, you'll have to find the way yourself 😉

[quartz sentinel]

😭

[formal maple]

btw lads, someone said that 5 player lobbies were discussed before

anyone can let me know more about it

[wanton forum]

I'm guessing crouch jumping can help or timing it on a torch toss.

[hallow saffron]

one trick simon is to trigger the trap then just as its falling back down crouch jump over it. while theres a risk of taking damage you tend not to once you get the trick down

[upbeat pewter]

the gist of higher playercount lobbies is that the devs might consider experimenting

thats all

[ornate crater]

Perhaps, but map is too small for it

[formal maple]

higher playercount, but what about larger parties?

[upbeat pewter]

oh, thats what i mean

[formal maple]

oh wow, thats great

thanks for letting me know 👍

[upbeat pewter]

if i were to guess, it would be in a totally different map.

and thats just a 'might' consider it

not a will consider, will experiment, or will do.

they may give it a try if they want. thats all

[severe kraken]

Is there any plan for a two-person team game?

[wanton forum]

Like a duo map?

[ornate crater]

I mean, realistically, what we have is not even 50% of actual game so anything is possible

[upbeat pewter]

afaik there arnt plans for anything other than 3 person. solowas just an experiment

[haughty bison]

there's a weird issue with copy/pasting stuff in trade chat. after you delete it, the words stay there

[quartz sentinel]

duos can be pretty successful already, i don’t see too much of a point for a sole duos mode

[upbeat pewter]

i play exclusively duos.

its fine

[quartz sentinel]

one less person to share loot with 🤭

[upbeat pewter]

one less person to eat up my fireballs.

[wanton forum]

I haven't really had many chances to do duos with friends (or trios...womp womp) but the dynamic with rogue duo is very fun.

[upbeat pewter]

i find rogue kind of sucks for duo. you basically rely on the other to bait

which is fine. just gets boring sometimes.

[dense berry]

Damn, all downvotes on my suggestion. We have a lot of wannabe cheaters or cheat sympathizers

[limber dock]

I believe it was the time when krapst78 answered some questions in the general-chat, i was there

[upbeat pewter]

lol

[severe kraken]

But my husband and I are at a loss in playing a three-man team. After all, there are only two people.

[quartz sentinel]

I haven’t experienced any cheaters in 50 hours it’s 100% copium

[upbeat pewter]

imagine suggesting to the devs how to price their game

[wanton forum]

I'm incredibly bias towards rogue anything in rpgs. But for purely immersive reasons, diving with only one other rogue is awesome.

[hallow saffron]

naw I just dont think AC should be the primary focus until they have the game in EA as they would have to redo the AC everytime a playtest hits which would take away from the time for changes

[dense berry]

Ok cheater

[quartz sentinel]

not saying it isn’t a thing but locking the game behind a million money based things is kinda stupid anyway

[limber dock]

They literally said they have antihacking handled

[dense berry]

I mean, yeah. but it needs to happen

[wanton forum]

What classes do you two tend to play? PvP can be rough as hell but some tweaks to use you approach fights together can make it a lot easier. The majority of players tend to go with easier to exploit but often easier to counter strategies.

[hallow saffron]

100% but currently they only have a basic server side AC. once it hits EA they will 100% get a stronger AC

[dense berry]

Would you expect them not to say that though? I doubt a small dev team can outpace dedicated hack groups, and if the barriers to entry are too low and bans not harsh enough, people will definitely cheat.

[wanton forum]

I also don't know what people mean when they say people are cheating in this game. A lot of the descriptions people have provided sound more like they got hit with a lucky/stray shot, got hit with weakpoint during a gank, are fighting buffed barbarians, etc. Like I'm sure there could be some element of cheating but nothing people explain sounds like cheating and more like being ignorant to mechanical interactions/disparities in stat differences.

[thorn tree]

i typoed and can't edit it q-q

[limber dock]

That's literally something they discuss themselves about how to handle it, it's not like that's an aspect that players have a voice about, it's literally their decision how to stop cheaters

[rapid tundra]

my brother in christ eft is 45 dollar 💀

[dense berry]

You could say that about literally any aspect of the game. Kinda pointless to say

[hallow saffron]

there are a few speedhacks that we have seen, some ESP, some radar, I have been killed ONCE by a barbarian during playtest 1 who killed the entire lobby from spawn room.

[wanton forum]

Ah. What's ESP?

[limber dock]

Nah i've seen like 1 person saying "wizards zapped me from the other side of the map when i had just spawned" too, but yeah hacking is mostly uncommon

[hallow saffron]

if I understand it correctly, ESP allows them to see players names through walls and stuff. I am not 100% sure

[limber dock]

Um, no

[dense berry]

Yes, ESP is wall hacks

[dense berry]

Good argument

[limber dock]

Thanks, good luck with your unvoted suggestion! I can't wait to never see it implemented, goodbye!

[dense berry]

another great argument

[wanton forum]

Okay, those are better explanations, thank you. Haven't run into anything that looks like that just yet. I did have suspicions when a Ranger shot me while I was hiding while using stealth. But in hindsight, dude had already seen me and likely just had a good guess or maybe the wizard they were actually took light. Didn't matter because I stalked them in the room and completely blew up the Ranger and dodged every wizard cast before stalling for a blue portal

[limber dock]

Not an argument, no argument from anyone will change your upvotes, not mine, not yours, and not anyone's, no need for arguments

[hexed star]

Can we nerf ranger 🙏

[hallow saffron]

generally if I suspect a rogue I begin hitting shadows

[wanton forum]

Naturally should.

[dense berry]

Maybe, but you'll be here crying when the game releases if cheating isn't handled strongly enough

[limber dock]

Nah, I'd say the person crying would be one that cares enough to make a suggestion and complain about its downvotes! I have more games to play fortunately!

[dense berry]

Well there it is, you don't actually care about this game. Why hang out in the suggestions board on discord if you don't really care?

[wanton forum]

I had another great juke moment where a trio of a wizard, fighter and Ranger could NOT figure out where I was and started flinging themselves at the darker corners of the map before being bamboozled for another 2 minutes.

I died but it was funny as hell because I'd use voip while stealthed to spook em. Wizard lost every fireball spell slot, Ranger had to reload regularly. Shame I didn't take smoke or caltrops

[limber dock]

Nah, i love it but i also have a life that i will keep living even if the game comes out with hackers, idk bout you. And you, why keep discussing something that has already been voted out, then?

But as I said, nothing's gonna come out of talking with you, so enjoy your downvotes and see ya, I'm gonna go eat 👍

[dense berry]

Whatever, keep deluding yourself. You're hanging out in a discord channel for a game you admittedly don't care if it goes down the drain with cheats. You don't have much of a life obviously.

[wanton forum]

My favorite time was running into a fighter while kiting a goblin mob, saying in voice chat "you sure about this?" Hitting hide and stealthing away while the goblin mob just swarmed my mans.

Was like four warriors and one mage in that one big room with the broken wheel barrel. Cart? Whatever. That one.

[vale orbit]

This game need Auction House or something

[quartz sentinel]

probably getting one honestly

[deep jacinth]

I just heard they are thinking of adding encumbrance in this game and it sounds like something that would ruin the game ngl

It'd very hard to implement in a way that's satisfying for sure

This game isn't all ranged combat it wouldn't work the same as a game with guns

[vale orbit]

i have too many blue and pink items but i cant sell them fast enough

[wanton forum]

Is there a dev blog that shows this? Could you maybe link it?

[bright pecan]

I really hope they add the training camp i suggested, honestly i suck at the game so im always broke, so i cant really afford to lose sets practicing stuff like parries and stuff

[deep jacinth]

The stats are in the game just do nothing that's how we know

[bright pecan]

Considering there is an equip load in the stats UI its safe to say they're thinking about it

[deep jacinth]

It's supposed to scale with strength but it's just a horrendous idea for a game like this grabbing good loot is already hard enough

And this is coming from a barb main

Barbs will have str but their weapons are going to weigh a fuck ton... fun...

How are you supposed to be looting players that you deserve to get loot from if you can't take their stuff

[ornate crater]

Look at this clown, suggesting the game will cost no less than $40

[wanton forum]

Never noticed. That's interesting. I'm mildly open to it but I'd need to see what the rest of this game would feel like when it's finished for something like that to be bearable in my mind. Feel like the sake of immersive tabletop kind of vibes it's fine but I don't think the wider player base that already struggles with getting used to dodging skeletons and goblins would want to contend with that as well.

[dense berry]

Learn how to use the reply function. and if you could read, I said no less than $30. nice try though

[deep jacinth]

I'm like extremely pessimistic about it the way the game is now it would never work period

So a lot of things would have to change for it to be successful

[ornate crater]

Price can be whatever as long as you willing to sponsor people who can't afford it

[wintry wind]

I think it depends on implementation.

Inventory is already limited by the grid system. I think if you're going to do weight, it shouldn't be a realistic issue to run into for players outside of some specific context.

My mind immediately goes to picking up gear/treasure wouldn't be an issue, but ore is super heavy.

[bright pecan]

No regional pricing is an easy way to kill your game outside the US too

[deep jacinth]

I don't see it that way because the shit already makes you slow if you have it on

So presumably it'll be heavy

[wintry wind]

If you have an inventory full of Heavy ARmor Chests/Pants, maybe? But those are the extreme cases

[deep jacinth]

You'd need a lot of weight capacity for it to be fine imo

[wintry wind]

That's what I'm saying

[deep jacinth]

Or things would need to be light

But it's going to scale off str

Sounds like a nightmare

[quartz sentinel]

i much prefer just having the more armor more tanky, being heavy because you are stacked with loot and it being the reason you lose a fight would be really dissatisfying

[wintry wind]

Depends on how much the baseline for carrying is.

[wanton forum]

Yeah. Like I said I would need to see what else is going on with the game as it goes further with its development or maybe a sort of mathematics that evens things out to not be too discouraging for classes you don't think would have the capacity to carry more (rogues, wizards, rangers).

[deep jacinth]

Barbs are going to want to take heavy loot because they use heavy weapond

I have a feeling str won't fully offset it

[wanton forum]

The PvP element alone would make it feel really bad like someone just said.

At least if I'm only speaking for myself. I hate having my mobility hindered too much. My rogue addiction is quite strong.

[wintry wind]

I honestly don't think encumbrance works with the core gameplay loop. Going into a fight laden with treasure is already a mental psyche-out. I dunno if you NEED an additional mechanic. Literally the only place I see it is for carrying Ore or other Materials

[deep jacinth]

Looting already feels bad in this game ngl unless youre looting loot chests aka loaded players

It really doesnt

In tarkov games where utility is very dangerous it makes sense

[granite plinth]

does anyone have a fix for unrealengine5-dungeoncrawler crash report, its very annoying especcialy when i take my best gear out on a high roller run reconnected after the crash and see im dead

[deep jacinth]

In this game it would just fuck you over for what

[wintry wind]

Imagine if they do, but they also go back into classic D&D to pull Hirelings.

They carry your stuff for you, but are slower and have to basically be escorted.

It'd be so awful.

[deep jacinth]

I already feel like I don't get paid enough unless I'm hauling a ton of treasure out

[wanton forum]

My 1st thought that might make it feel less shitty is like maybe making blocking more forgiving/expanding defense on different melee weapons with homogenous blocking and changing how defense works period.

[dense berry]

Barbarian shouts can crash some peoples' games. Could've also been a cheater, but if it's happening frequently to you it's probably just barb shouts crashing your game. Wrong channel though

[deep jacinth]

Blocking being less skill intensive would be. Nightmare

The harder it is to hit people the worse the game would he

There's already movement which already makes combat really intensive

[wanton forum]

Which is why I mentioned a fundamental rearranging of defense from what it is now to compensate for how the flow would be screwed over from what it is now.

[deep jacinth]

People already block you and it feels horrendous when it happens lol

[wintry wind]

I think Shields either need a small Stagger upon Successful Block, or just expanding it through Perks.

I had a suggestion before about adding a Shove ability to shields, but tying it to Shield Expert Perk.

Doesn't change blocking, but gives shields (and that specific perk) more utility

I think it's an either/or situation though

[deep jacinth]

I can agree with a small stagger it'd have to be pretty minor though

There should be no hit confirms

[granite plinth]

is there a fix for this?

[wintry wind]

You either have the opening after block, or you have a shove option

[dense berry]

No. Please submit a bug report in the #report-a-bug channel. The more people who submit it, the more likely it is it will get fixed.

[deep jacinth]

I never heard of that one

[wanton forum]

Because I'm coming from the angle of "if players need to consider changing their melee approaches while dealing with weight, the current defense system if it was made easier to block would be irritating to fight around since blocking already doesn't always feel like it's useful in a pvp scenario" type thing.

[deep jacinth]

The community has been so cool in this game

Itd be a Shame if it was ruined by horrible people that plague almost every game

[wintry wind]

The Darkness grows Darker

[wanton forum]

I personally only block as a way of stopping a mistake in spacing being too punishing for myself. Otherwise, I just use movement and baiting to get my hits in.

[wintry wind]

It's so Dark

[deep jacinth]

What

You described exactly what the problem was

And then you want a fix for that problem

[wanton forum]

?

Wait you replying to me?

[deep jacinth]

Like you said I made a mistake fix my mistake I mean I guess I can understand that

[desert dawn]

Uhh where is this comment coming from? They said anything related to this?

[deep jacinth]

But I mean the core gameplay is move out of the way a lot of the time

An npc clips you because you were too close that's a core game mechanic

[bright pecan]

Related to a sugestion that was posted

[deep jacinth]

It wouldn't be good to create a um what would you call it

Idk but like punishing mistakes in a game like this is pretty important especially as players get more skilled

[alpine cairn]

.shortinfo 1598623

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Seymour#5583

To help counter hackers, I would suggest: The price for this game needs to be $40 USD and never go on sale below $30 USD, have no regional pricing, and implement some other form of account verification (phone number, ID, something) and have hardware ID bans. Hacks will destroy this game, so make it as hard as possible on people who choose to cheat.

Opinion:

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Suggestion ID: 1598623 | Submitted at · Feb 12, 2023, 3:02 PM

[deep jacinth]

Having a tool to reduce dangerousness of spacing wouldn't be wonderful I mean the sheild already exists and is very useful from what I've seen

[wanton forum]

No, what I'm saying is that if they'd want to put in encumbrance, by the time pvp comes in to play, you're not going to reliably have that option of using footwork to gain an opening because at least right now, blocking doesn't at all feel like it's useful beyond making sure you aren't punished fully on mistaking your opponent's reach. And since some classes use weapons that can't even block, I feel like a fundamental rearrangement of how defense works overall could offset some of the problems I could see if blocking was just made easier in the first place.

[deep jacinth]

You just have to have the skill to use it

[wanton forum]

I don't really mind blocking in pve since it's honestly much more useful in that way

[deep jacinth]

Hm maybe I just don't understand

I think what you said is valid I guess I'm just confused

In pvp blocking is how it is should be imo

Like the only thing I could imagine is more missile deflection being a good thing

[wanton forum]

Yeah, with the current system it's fine. I personally just barely ever need to use beyond the way I use it.

[deep jacinth]

Because mages and rangers being stupid at high levels

[wintry wind]

Oh God a smaller hit box on the shield for the stagger is something I didn't even consider.

Could also give Buckler something - where the entire hitbox, while smaller, has that effect.

[deep jacinth]

I don't really know a ton about the blocking system myself

[wintry wind]

That'd be an interesting direction to go with it.

[wanton forum]

What would the stagger even really do I guess

[deep jacinth]

Idk the mechanic of each individual shield

I hear they are different

[sand pine]

Ree I used .help in #1048762118255673428 and it locked me out for 6 hours.

[deep jacinth]

Give you more time to react and think after getting a successful block

[wanton forum]

All I know is that the pavise just makes blocking most things very easy but you use two hands for it.

[wintry wind]

I thought it was just area coverage, save for Pavise which has its own gimmick.

In my hear, Stagger is just a pause before the next animation - a window on an attack.

[deep jacinth]

That's what stagger would do

As long as it wasn't too long and made counter hits easy mode

That'd be a joke

A successful block should never be a hit confirm in this game no matter what imo

Even if the shield hit box was the size of a pea

Lol

[wintry wind]

It'd definitely be quick, but some sort of reward for successful block - and I think the idea of having a specific area of the Shield Hitbox to count as that 'success' instead of just landing the block would be a good choice.

[deep jacinth]

You know what would be nice in this game

If there was more sound feedbacks that are satisfying there already kind of is with the general audio of combat

[wintry wind]

Stagger would be like...0.25 second or less.

[sand pine]

Someone post my suggestion:
Buff stacking has been an integral part of DnD since the dawn of its existence. This is the reason why DnD 3.5e added Dispel to bards, Clerics and couple other classes, as well as dispel potions, dispel traps and null magic areas.
This is why I propose giving Dispel to Rangers at least, this will help alleviate issues of power buffing and buff the Rangers a bit since I feel they need it.

[deep jacinth]

But it'd be nice to have a few more feel good sounds

Rangers should not get a thing imo

[wintry wind]

I think with additional classes, Dispel would get added - I am definitely opposed to giving to Ranger of all things

But that niche is definitely good to fill

[sand pine]

I dunno I am playing in high roller and rangers are a non-issue

[deep jacinth]

Rangers should get coal in their stocking

What do you play as?

[sand pine]

Just buff the melee (we've run barb, fighter and rogue) and let him do all teh work

We do Cleric+Wizard+melee

[glacial sphinx]

Removing buffs should maybe be a Warlock or Sorcerer thing, not a ranger for sure

[sand pine]

Generally we do barb so we can tesla coil our barb into the enemy team with chain lightning

[deep jacinth]

I guess hit that's a very specific combo that hurts ranger

Generally rangers just win vs barb

[wanton forum]

I like that

[sand pine]

I mean in DnD dispel was given to bards baseline

[wintry wind]

Beyond balance, it just doesn't quite fit them thematically though? This game seems to be going for the Woodsman/Survivalist/Hunter instead of the Less-Magical-but-More-Martial Druid

[deep jacinth]

At least at a high level

[wintry wind]

We were talking about Bards last night - that would be an amazing choice for them

[deep jacinth]

They get all the tools to space barbs out

The only problem is when they get buffed to hell I honestly think that amount of buff stacking can be unfair ngl

[sand pine]

I dunno, we just haste our barb and let him do his thang

[wanton forum]

A magic class that goes with a lot debuffs could be cool.

[scarlet plaza]

Buff stacking is toxic, lol

[sand pine]

Our wizard runs the slow spell but we never use it

[deep jacinth]

When they get like six buffs they are temporarily unstoppable

Ngl

[sand pine]

^

[scarlet plaza]

Yep

[wintry wind]

Bro that's OG D&D

[sand pine]

Hence why I think Dispel is sorely needed

[scarlet plaza]

I think Wizard needs to lose the ability to slow and haste, and Bard be added, given both of those abilities

[wintry wind]

"There are too many buffs nowadays. Please eliminate three"

[scarlet plaza]

I think that Ranger should have a weaker version of the fighter ability to dispel, but specifically against roots/slows only

[deep jacinth]

Why did it block that

The bot is dumb sometimes

I forget exactly what I said

[wintry wind]

Haste and Slow are iconic Wizard abilities though?

This game is drawing a lot from classic D&D

[deep jacinth]

How you do keep buffs in check while not invalidating them with dispel sounds tough but doable

[scarlet plaza]

My reason why - ice magic should inherently slow, so the slow spell is hit or miss

[lament lava]

They Need Colorspray

^^ This

OR Prestidigitation

[deep jacinth]

Idk I still think rangers are a problem

[exotic bronze]

Rangers are honestly only annoying for Clerics since they have no real ranged options so Rangers can abuse their mobility to harass them forever. Every other class? Nahh not rlly

And even then Clerics have shields so 🤷

[lament lava]

Colorspray would solve ranger

[deep jacinth]

They get almost everything even though there are niche stituations where they get countered

[lament lava]

theyd be blind

[scarlet plaza]

The ability to send out "footsteps" or "barrels/boxes being broken" would be very good

[deep jacinth]

Theyre the pve gods

[wintry wind]

Prestidigitation would be something insane.

Make a random monster noise, or make a door appear open

[deep jacinth]

And insane pvp

[scarlet plaza]

But first the audio system needs to be fixed up a touch

[lament lava]

magic hand might be good too, grab items from behind gates up to 15ft away

[scarlet plaza]

Rangers are a solo problem. Wizards/Clerics become the nightmare scourge when it comes to genuine 3v3

[lament lava]

Or Pull Levers

[deep jacinth]

I really don't think so

Arguing rangers are not a top class in team play seems a little silly ngl

They're just as relevant as those

Wizards tend to not like arrows in their face

[wintry wind]

I was saying that Wizard could use something like Magehand or Knock in this game. My suggestion was to combine them - Ranged interact as well as a shove option.

[exotic bronze]

I main Cleric/Barb and Rangers are the least of my issues in solo 😭 I get wym tho. Self heal, mobility and annoying asf traps definitely make them good in goblin caves but they're not a menace by any means.

[granite plinth]

Clerics should be able to use swords with a perk. discuss

[exotic bronze]

Why would they? Maces are insane already.

[deep jacinth]

I don't think it fits the lore ngl but I would love a spell sword type thing I guess

Clerics already have pog weapons ngl

[granite plinth]

it's called a paladin, either that or new class maybe

[wintry wind]

Eh. Maybe a Battle Cleric perk would be fun, but I actually the flavor of Mace-wielding Clerics.

Reminds of the loosy-goosy justification of "will not spill blood"

[deep jacinth]

The quarterstaff might be the funnest weapon in the game

[bright pecan]

What if there was a paladin class, a mix between cleric and fighter with minor healing spells, swords and big bulky armor

[scarlet plaza]

The problem is the thing we were just talking about. Overcharging buffs is ridiculous right now. Overcharging a barb with a wiz or cleric is certain death for a rogue or ranger if they're in melee range. That's the problem. You can't counter it at close range.

[deep jacinth]

Wouldn't maces make you bleed?

[wintry wind]

I would definitely prefer Clerics getting more Martial Options over an entirely new Paladin Class.

[granite plinth]

Well there are already empty class slots so maybe I guess

[deep jacinth]

I mean it's spikey

[exotic bronze]

Just make a new class. This is very much Dungeon & Dragons inspired and Clerics/Paladins play very differently in 3.5e/5e/whatever version this game is inspired by.

[deep jacinth]

The morning star I would assume would make you bleed a lot

[scarlet plaza]

Maces are blunt force. Stabbing weapons should cause bleed

[exotic bronze]

Bleed should just not be a thing outside of skills. DOT is already annoying enough.

[granite plinth]

in that case wizards/sorcs should get Blink and literally grief entire lobbies X_X

[wintry wind]

I am referring to actual justification used by priests in history.

[granite plinth]

or mirror image to make melee classes obsolete

[deep jacinth]

Wizards already get blink

Its called invis

Haha

Fuck wizards thou

[exotic bronze]

Ranger should get spellcasting too... That's not the point tho. Paladin would realistically be more like a Fighter leader type. Less ranged outside of skills but a team buff Aura, some rudimentary healing with Lay on Hands and burst DPS via Smite.

[scarlet plaza]

These aren't D&D Rangers.

[wintry wind]

Mirror Image is a tough one. I could see a balance being made where it's primarily a PVE Ability - the clones having a taunt effect and allow the wizard to escape - but telling which one is the real Wizard is pretty obvious to a player?

[exotic bronze]

Early D&D Rangers didn't have spellcasting, thankfully those are the types we're going with lmao

[deep jacinth]

Aren't there witch hunters in d&d

[scarlet plaza]

Exactly, @exotic bronze

[oak jacinth]

War Maul Rework + Cleric new spell suggestion guys
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[hallow saffron]

In regards to the Ressurection spell. I think that just a spell cost reduction by 1 or 2 levels would be all it needs. Yeah the skill takes a long AF time to use but the issue is more so that actually being able to cast it means you have to run a bunch of extra knowledge.

[bright pecan]

Also i wish dual wielding on fighter was more effective and cool, when i equip the perk most of the time i just end up using my highest damage weapon with the attack speed buff

[exotic bronze]

You mean Blood Hunters? They're very new

[wintry wind]

Especially if Druids get picked up later - I want Ranger to keep its Huntsman flavor instead of going More-Martial Druid route

[deep jacinth]

Just a hybrid like magic Archer

[exotic bronze]

Imo Dual Wielding should work with Buckler, giving it an actual use on Fighter because it's outclassed by the default shield you spawn with.

[deep jacinth]

That what a witch hunter is

[granite plinth]

Cleric smite, brewmaster and power buffs is already a monk class btw

[deep jacinth]

Usually uses magic to increase their archery prowess

[hallow saffron]

100%

[wintry wind]

Oh God of all the classes I DON'T want in this game, it's Monk

[deep jacinth]

Elemental arrows and all that

[wintry wind]

It's so lame

[deep jacinth]

Monk is already close enough with cleric ngl

[hallow saffron]

you can even run full monk and just use your fists. I killed 4 people as a naked cleric with just smite KekW

[deep jacinth]

Even has the haircut

[wintry wind]

Yes

Monk lame.

Cleric chad

[granite plinth]

freakin based, did that with 4 wizards. Purge the witches 💯

[exotic bronze]

Monk would be iffy since Monks entire gimmick in D&Dragons was not requiring gear to be good. I don't want a lvl 15 Monk with 0 gear to be as strong as a 500gp Fighter 😭

[scarlet plaza]

I'd prefer to stick to the "Wizardry" games style of classes. Way more "realistic" and "gritty".

[exotic bronze]

Other than that they'd probably play too much like a Rogue anyway.

[deep jacinth]

Lol clerics feel good without gear ngl

Just need that spell book though

I hate regular staves they're so trash they belong in a bin

[hallow saffron]

lol I like running smite and judgement as a naked cleric and just running at people when im bored. Noone expects a 30 damage punch

[granite plinth]

If monk gets implemented, I think they would obviously have monk-style weapons like in Pathfinder from staves to caestus to freakin ninja weapons but can have perks that allow them to do more damage with fists alone.

[deep jacinth]

@hallow saffron I punch people to death with barb too it's hilarious

I was fighting a ranger and he pulled out his sword and I fist fought him and destroyed him haha

[granite plinth]

iirc Ninjas in PF 2.0 are a combo of stealth classes and monks

[hallow saffron]

try it with rogue, their fists gain the 50% bonus from the weakpoint along with being able to proc rupture and bleed

[exotic bronze]

Barbs are basically the cheapest class to run all things considered if you wanna run a budget shirtless build. Starting axe on your 2nd slot for Smash, crap tier Horseman Axe for primary or Felling if you're that kind of guy. No need to buy armor, just healing + prot. pots.

I did the math and a full kit of this costs siginifcantly less than geared Cleric WITHOUT accounting for prot/hp pots.

[deep jacinth]

Hahahaha what??? Really that's funny

[exotic bronze]

Cleric can get away at ultra low budget with no consumables tho so thats nice.

[deep jacinth]

I need to try that

[wintry wind]

See, but that's why I hate monks. Not because of their ninja weapons, but because everything else in D&D (and this game) seems rooted in a different setting of fantasy. Just always stands out to me

Just always stood out like a sore thumb

[glacial sphinx]

yeah monks arent really traditional fantasy to me

[hallow saffron]

yeah my bud in his full kit with just his fists did a 94 Headshot to our full decked fighter. If he has used weakpoint he woulda oneshot him

[exotic bronze]

Yeaa I main Cleric/Barb and Barb is rlly cheap as shit to run. Cleric can be ultra low cost if you wanna hobo run with default kit tho, since you get like 2 full heals from Sancturary and 60+ hp from lessers.

[deep jacinth]

I don't think any class really needs gear tbh besides maybe wizard unless you're in a try hard lobby where people are geared

If they're just doing normies no gear slaps

[wintry wind]

Fighter kind of needs gear.

[deep jacinth]

I don't think so the sword is fine imo

They pick up the most useable loot in dungeons

[exotic bronze]

Low tier Fighter armor is good enoughish for the most part. Grey longswords are surprisingly decent tho 💀

Depends wym by "Gear"

[granite plinth]

true that, like how you would see a monk irl like if you're in HK

[exotic bronze]

Like whats your budget lol

[deep jacinth]

I think fightings could go in naked and be fine tbh

Fighters*

[bright pecan]

Thats because irl fighter monks were extremely varied, pretty much each temple had its own martial art and style

[exotic bronze]

Eh even stacking yourself with grey tier you can get 30-35% DR on Fighter and thats pretty signifcant

but if you're dirt poor going into Goblins then yeah nude Fighter ftw

[deep jacinth]

That's one thing I love about this game

Gear actually is kind of fair at least when you don't get to insane purples and shit

Greens and blues are just amazing and whites are completely viable

[wintry wind]

I have never crossed the 400gp threshold.

I do lots of basic-kit runs as Fighter and try to grab gear on my way out, but I mean more because Fighter differs a lot on their weapon.

If you like how a certain weapon feels, you gotta buy it each run - whereas you can keep running the same spells.

[granite plinth]

not if you're a wizard

[deep jacinth]

And I use grey's all the time still and win

[exotic bronze]

Weapons scale a lot harder with higher tiers. Ppl complain a lot abt craftable armors using ores but the actual cost of getting a full kit of them is in the hundreds of gp. I'd cringe taking them to even high roller.

[hallow saffron]

Honestly AC scaling needs to increase at lower levels. Its really bad up until like 125.

[bright pecan]

Its not some standardized thing like european knights

[deep jacinth]

Wizard has insane spells that are better than weapons but yeah other than that

I agree

[exotic bronze]

Mainly thinking about Cleric/Fighter when it comes to craftable armors

I think Barb has some craftables as well

[deep jacinth]

Barb should be able to craft a helmet out of an enemies skull

[hallow saffron]

I love when barbs decide to take the no armour perk instead of rolling a chest plate that gives them the same stats as the no chest gear

[granite plinth]

if you think about it, every medieval knight who joined an Order is basically a monk irl

is that pomu btw

[deep jacinth]

Who needs a chest anyways that's movement speed penalty

Haha

[wintry wind]

But that's the thing, the setting here is leaning on European Knights. A similar game in a setting where your different temples and traditions have monks make sense could totally work -- it's just not this game imo.

[exotic bronze]

Mostly to save money on Castle/Goblins tbh. I'd only gear on High Rollers or if my trio wants to stomp Castle.

[bright pecan]

True also yeah its pomu, i drew it

[granite plinth]

im pomu

[hallow saffron]

even on HR and base castle barbs dont take it and get onetapped by my rogue bud lol. Them not having a 80 AC chest piece tends to fuck em

[deep jacinth]

I like the community for the most part very positive interactions the majority of the time

[wintry wind]

I've had a few trash talkers, but that's bound to happen in any PVP game

[exotic bronze]

They're just dumb tbh. Which is basically 90% of this playerbase lmfao

[deep jacinth]

There's some asshole trolls in discord though

[granite plinth]

So far, I only saw one guy complaining in EU. SEA is surprisingly tame given it's the most toxic when it comes to MOBAs.

[exotic bronze]

I hope the devs don't actually listen to the bottom tiers because I'm worried they'll bend to their complaints and fuck up the balancing.

[deep jacinth]

I could care less about trash talk unless it's like you're shit all the time just being mean to players

[wintry wind]

So I was gonna make a suggestion, but I'm on CD -- What do you folks think of the idea of expanding what other player's Heartsouls could be used for?

Specifically I was thinking of replenishing Shrines and a method of regaining Spells/Abilities.

[granite plinth]

Blizzard in a nutshell.

[hallow saffron]

Hi, I am the bumhole who throws numbers at people until they can prove my numbers wrong or I get infested with their brainworms

[pure steppe]

METTEZ DU TEMPS ! !! ! !

[granite plinth]

not a bad idea tbh

[pure steppe]

on a pas le temps quand on joue

[exotic bronze]

was seeing mfs suggest Barb should have 100 hp 😭 at that point its just gonna be a slow Rogue dawg

[deep jacinth]

Idk this one guy was trying to bait everyone and talked like an incel when I mentioned it be nice if cleric could open treasure chests faster than a person in a straightjacket

[wintry wind]

100 HP? Nah, I think the floor for realistic Barb HP suggestions is 125, and even that's brutal.

[pure steppe]

Mettez du putain de temps ça fait depuis la dernière beta que je joue au jeu et on ne peut pas jouer

ON A PAS DE TEMPS

[exotic bronze]

Only issue Barb genuinely has is Axe Speciality being extremely OP.

And maybe synergy with Wizards haste.

rest is a skill issue imho

[deep jacinth]

I don't think barb is op in a vaccuum

The only problems are when he has help

[exotic bronze]

I'd be happy to see Axe Specialty straight up get removed bcs its an insane damage buff that makes Zwei/Maul even less usable.

[deep jacinth]

I think buffs just be insanely strong and that doesn't make barb the issue

[bright pecan]

I like the idea of having a use for it but at the same time i feel like it'd cause some problems, like if you get jumped by a group and only one of your teammates survives there'd be no chance of getting them back cause the enemies would use the heart soul for something

[daring edge]

I feel like barb only becomes op once you have the cleric and wizard doping you but honestly at that point so is fighter, barb is just a little easier to run with lower costs

[deep jacinth]

He has zero ranged besides shitty Francesas

[pure steppe]

METTEZ DU TEMPS

[worthy spear]

maybe enemies souls only appear if you team wipe?

[exotic bronze]

Good enough tbf. He's a dedicated frontliner and Fran. Axes are mainly for applying slow to fleeing mfs like Wizards/Rangers/Rogues

[granite plinth]

omellete du fromage

[bright pecan]

That would be a nice solution

[exotic bronze]

Not every class needs the versatility of Fighter and that's okay

[pure steppe]

ntm

[deep jacinth]

The throwing axes really aren't amazing if the players who are against you aren't bad

[granite plinth]

it's a util weapon and TIL it slows.

[deep jacinth]

They're useful

[exotic bronze]

Hard to dodge an axe when you're facing away from a Barb which imo is their main utility. Unless someone is playing footsie with you.

[deep jacinth]

But they're not good I'd say

[exotic bronze]

It's mainly used for slow

otherwise Rogues will dance around you forever.

[hallow saffron]

I use my throwing axes to kill people that run

[deep jacinth]

Rage for rogues imo

[hallow saffron]

noone respects a 45 damage throwing axe

[exotic bronze]

except most Rogue mains have 2 braincells and still face tank you

[granite plinth]

i think it's the best throwing weapon at the game rn

[hallow saffron]

dagger is better cause it can apply rupture tbh

[bright pecan]

I kinda wish they didnt arc so much, in low ceiling rooms its pretty much impossible to hit enemies slightly further away

[deep jacinth]

I mean to be fair that's fair

[wintry wind]

Maybe. Maybe carrying the soul of an enemy has a debuff? If you aren't planning on using it, you wouldn't want to carry it around for long?

[deep jacinth]

Barb needs something

[exotic bronze]

It rlly doesnt

[wintry wind]

Does it?

[exotic bronze]

I think fran axes should be cheaper and thats it

[wintry wind]

Throwables are ridiculously expensive

[exotic bronze]

3 throwing axes shouldnt cost more than a crossbow of the same tier when that xbow has infinite ammo

[deep jacinth]

No I mean it needed the fran

If it didn't have that it'd be horrendous

[granite plinth]

u guys talkin about throwing axes when we all know what the best throwing weapon is:

pila/javelins

[deep jacinth]

There's javelins?

Lol

[exotic bronze]

javelins would be fun. maybe a ranger/fighter exclusive tho

[wintry wind]

Javelins would be cool to add.

[deep jacinth]

Fighters already get everything

[hallow saffron]

I would love for barbs to have javelins instead of throwing axes tbh

[bright pecan]

Maybe they should keep the price but make it so after you kill someone you can get your throwables back

[exotic bronze]

I mean yeah thats. The point of Fighter in D&D and D&D

[granite plinth]

pila would be like something that hits a shield and gives debuff that prevents you from blocking for a certain time

[deep jacinth]

I get that I'm not necessarily complaining about that fact

I just hate that their loot pool is great

And everyone else's suffers

[wintry wind]

I get the flavor, but Blocking does NOT need a situational answer.

[deep jacinth]

Like looting as barb is rough unless from players

[hallow saffron]

answer to blocking is bait them.

[exotic bronze]

I'd love that yeah. Or maybe just make them an actual equippable ranged weapon, even potentially letting you throwing axe + shield on Fighter with a reload anim similar to Bows/Xbows.

[deep jacinth]

I wish they would change the loot tables ngl

[hallow saffron]

they blocking? Curve that swing. crouch, jump, slide to the right, slide to the left. Two hops this time.

[exotic bronze]

A good fighter wont block until necessary (basically 1% of the fighter playerbase lmao)

[deep jacinth]

Like your class should get a slight favorable weight towards stuff you'd actually use for your class

[exotic bronze]

most Fighters dont even know shields have hitboxes

[deep jacinth]

Not it be bows from Bowman all the time

[granite plinth]

wait, people have problems against blocking? IN this game?

[hallow saffron]

Meanwhile ima cleric out here face tanking barbs and wizards for my rogue to heal up kekw

[hallow saffron]

I KNOW RIGHT

[exotic bronze]

ppl are dog at blocking in this game. I still see people saying "Just jump attack with Felling Axe to counter blocks" bro that doesn't work if they look up (which most Fighters/Clerics dont bcs braindead playerbase)

[deep jacinth]

It becomes and issue against predictable weapons if they are good at blocking

[granite plinth]

I know some weapons actually struggle against shields, like War Maul for instance has a huge hitbox that it hits the shield first for skeletons.

[deep jacinth]

2hs suffer vs blocks for sure

[bright pecan]

Blocking should be rewarded, blocking is pretty hard to begin with in this game

[hallow saffron]

people use warmaul wrong, they swing to close to the shield/player and hit with the stick.

[deep jacinth]

I agree

Not more than it already is

[granite plinth]

true.

[deep jacinth]

It's enough

[wintry wind]

We talked about Block Staggers earlier pretty thoroughly.

[granite plinth]

don't forget they teamkill too

[exotic bronze]

Longsword already has riposte but I do think if you block an attack with a 1h + shield it should give you a faster attack.

Outside of arming sword you rarely have a window to fit a swing in.

[hallow saffron]

lol yeah. I have teamkilled my squad before with one warmaul swing was fricking hilarious

[exotic bronze]

Or Flanged bcs that things fast asf too

[deep jacinth]

There are some ripostes yeah

Idk how the staff works

But that blocks

The qstaff

[exotic bronze]

I think only LSword has riposte anims

[wintry wind]

I dunno if even the Couner Perk on fighter really helps with making an opening.

[exotic bronze]

does qstaff have them too?

[daring edge]

I feel it could be cool to and a shield bash sort of thing if u block u can shield bash and maybe just push them away with no dmg

[hallow saffron]

its very miniscule, VERY miniscule but its worth it if youre running LS

[deep jacinth]

It has a block I just never block haha

[exotic bronze]

Its ok, considering how few good perks Fighter has Ive ran it before

[granite plinth]

so far though, the only use I have for shields is against ranged attacks and actually tanking bosses like Wraith or even Skelly horni boy

[deep jacinth]

I never learn to block in this game

[wintry wind]

I did make this suggestion - with the caveat of putting it on Shield Expert Perk

[deep jacinth]

I should force myself though

[exotic bronze]

Typical Fighter main

💀

[deep jacinth]

True

But rangers don't learn to dodge anything

[wintry wind]

I learned to block, but I still fuck up

[exotic bronze]

blocking is Fighters biggest edge against Barbs especially w/ Longsword so yea do learn it

[deep jacinth]

Because they're spoiled

[granite plinth]

Wrong.

[wintry wind]

Fighter Main here. What flavor are these crayons? They're pretty good.

[granite plinth]

Tell that to the rank.1 Barbarian and Stouty (streaming rn) it does jacksh*t.

[deep jacinth]

I feel like the worst players are consistently rangers and clerics

[exotic bronze]

one tip tho is dont hold block. it makes you predictable, obfuscates your visibility and reduces movement speed. only block when you need to

[deep jacinth]

Clerics only know how to buff bot a lot of the time

And crumble with any kind of pressure

[bright pecan]

Honestly a lot of fighter perks are pretty lackluster, aside from the heavy armor and weapon expert perks the rest are just kinda bad

[pseudo cloud]

am i the only one who suffers more in solo dungeons than in group? Goblins with poison take half my hp.. playing rogue

[wintry wind]

Yup. Gotta treat it like Dark Souls Parry. Wait until the last second...except you don't get a parry stagger.

[granite plinth]

Your best bet vs barbs is to kite attacks or even matrix if they somehow used horizontal attacks on some weapons, otherwise you will get LMB spammed to death even with +35 Protection potion

[exotic bronze]

Most Fighters are dogsht. Watch his stream and notice how they hold up shield looking at his dck instead of just looking up and blocking.

[deep jacinth]

You got to get used to the faster attacks the goblins have I do fine as barb and they swing slow as molasses

[wintry wind]

I like Swift
Combo Attack is also good.

I do think those perks need more. Proj Resistance is nice.

[exotic bronze]

There's no SBMM so obviously Stouty will curb stomp the 15g kit Fighters 😭

[deep jacinth]

The goblin caves take no prisoners

You either dodge npcs or get screwed

[exotic bronze]

Combo Attack is mid tbh. That 10% will rarely apply in PVP and god knows when it will save you hits in PVE

[deep jacinth]

As every character

The posion is mean

[wintry wind]

For PvE it's more about speeding things up a bit.

[exotic bronze]

Fighter passives in general are a bit lackluster ngl

[deep jacinth]

What do you run evil

[wintry wind]

Imagine if Combo stacked.

[exotic bronze]

lemme check rq

[bright pecan]

I wish the fighter skills got buffed, there's really no real reason to take anything other than sprint and second wind

[deep jacinth]

Fighter already gets a lot in it's weapon choice so that seems fair

[daring edge]

I do think it would be cool to add a training dummy that like spins and attacks and u can block it and it changes direction so you could practice.

[deep jacinth]

Weapon mastery is already huge

[reef wasp]

Should pickaxes be added to the loot table? I think it would be fun

[wintry wind]

How Adrenaline Rush has a one-time-use and Sprint only has a CD is beyond me.

[deep jacinth]

If they had op perks that wouldn't be run

[wintry wind]

I think so.

[deep jacinth]

Adrenaline rush having a cd would be horrendous

Ngl

[exotic bronze]

The skill that removes slowdown effects includes slowdown from swinging weapons which can double up on insane speed when you pop it + sprint. Other than that I agree. Victory Strike has a bit of a use ig.

[deep jacinth]

That's such a strong ability

[granite plinth]

Played with a guy using Victory Rush/Adrenaline and he just two shots barbs like there's no tomorrow. He was using white halberd

[deep jacinth]

It'd have to be like a 3 minute cd

[exotic bronze]

Yea you can run Adreno it just sucks its a 1 pop a game

[granite plinth]

well, they nerfed it

[exotic bronze]

Do you get it back from Campfires? I assume no

It'd make sense since in the tabletop you get em back on short rests

[deep jacinth]

Adren in multiple fights a match just seems not balanced

I get clerics exist but still

[exotic bronze]

true, it's just a weird ahh ability in general

[wintry wind]

I did wanna try DW + Adrenaline

[exotic bronze]

insanely OP but then you only get 1 use

[wintry wind]

Just go full Blender

[deep jacinth]

I wouldn't say it's op

Just strong

[exotic bronze]

Well it is for a few seconds kek

in a way that makes it balanced

[deep jacinth]

I don't think any q or e is straight up overpowered

Unless you're counting spells

[exotic bronze]

spells dont go on q/e unless u mean spell memory kek

[deep jacinth]

Yeah spell memory

The strongest cases of the q and e feels like pve tbh

Which is good I guess

[granite plinth]

you need two camps to restore it, it's an "I win" button given it does give alot of hp

[deep jacinth]

Unless you're rogue

Campfires seem good now

Before the buff I didn't like them at all

They gave like 20% hp for 60 seconds of rubbing your hands together

Campfires ugh thinking of the old ones makes me mald

[exotic bronze]

On Fighter I usually run LSword, offhand Longbow or any Xbow. If im feeling fancy a Pavise in my backpack and usually 3 prot pots, 3 grey heal pots, 3 white heal pots (they stack heals) + more

Sprint + Second Wind, sometimes Breakthrough + Sprint.

Swift + Weapon Mastery + Defense Expert + Counter Attack/Projectile Resistance if running Sw&Shield

[deep jacinth]

Ok I guess that makes sense

[exotic bronze]

Breakthrough kinda underrated but if u just read its description it sounds like ass.

[deep jacinth]

I still think sleeping on combo attack isn't necessarily right it's still a good perk

Just not an auto include

[exotic bronze]

It has a duration of a couple seconds and if you use it with Sprint it makes you very very fast even when attacking.

[wintry wind]

I mean, when the other Perks are kind of weak, it's less of an auto-pick and more of a default-pick

[exotic bronze]

Its ok but it is overrated. On weapons like Longsword where you'll be spamming your first attack a lot its not great

on something like arming sword I see it

[deep jacinth]

Agreed

[wintry wind]

That's a good point

[deep jacinth]

That's how wizards perk is

With the reactive armor

[bright pecan]

One of the things that bothers me the most is how scarce healing is outside of clerics, basic potions cost 15 gold for a 3 stack, thats 45 hp over 60 seconds, so it costs you at least 30 gold on fighter for example, i think potions should either heal more or be cheaper, when i go on several runs in a row most of my gold is spent on healing

[deep jacinth]

It's good that it's this way

[wintry wind]

Wait, does Counterattack give its bonus to Longsword?

[deep jacinth]

Because if you have too much combat healing it's toxic

[wintry wind]

It juse says 'successful defense' so it's not unique to block?

[deep jacinth]

You can even bandage in fights if you hug pillars

[granite plinth]

which is why my strat is always to go and find the library because that's where the healing is at

[exotic bronze]

Any block works with it. Mainly use it for the slight movement speed buff tbf its so minimal

[bright pecan]

The bat pyramid also usually drops a bunch of bandages

[deep jacinth]

That's what I used to think at first I think mainly the healing is bad outside of combat

In combat it's very strong

[granite plinth]

offset by annoying said bats

[exotic bronze]

I never fw bandages they're both more expensive per HP point compared to potions and HP potions dont leave u slowed for ages.

Most ppl dont know but different tiers of hp potions stack, so a grey + white tier will heal both at once.