suggestion-discussion

[analog burrow]

I was so confused

😭😭

[lucid folio]

also, what is the point of reducing the amount of spells wizards have only to make them get those spells back much faster in the next path?

[analog burrow]

Time

[lusty wren]

This was my question as well

[wanton dagger]

Go with your regular clishe red screen edges. Just don't make those egregious so the yblock your vision.

[eager creek]

teamfight balance

[analog burrow]

I would assume the time

[wanton dagger]

I did not, can't tell you from personal experience tbh.

[ember river]

Not my injured state, the state of the people I am fighting.

[wanton dagger]

Oh

[wanton dagger]

Increasing amount of blood decalls on them works

[eager creek]

getting spells back faster helps the clear speed of dungeons, getting less spells means you have to choose wiser during fights

[analog burrow]

So like what? Visible wounds or damage to armor or somethin?

[lusty wren]

All it does is allow the wiz to have more effective spell casts. Which is opposite of what they tuned yesterday. If a wiz is whiffing all its spells it deserves to die

[lucid folio]

why don't just make their higher tier items a bit weaker so entire team won't get half-hp'd with one chain lightning while the low geared mage barely does any damage with it

[wanton dagger]

Mag damage scaling has a weird breakpoint

[ember river]

Blood decals is a nice idea. And damaged armor decals could work too depending on where they were hit. Burn decals from fireballs and lighting

[wanton dagger]

Needs to be tuned imo

[lucid folio]

Imo, gear should buff players for sure, but player skill should be more decisive in who wins the fight

but what we have now for mages does the opposite

[analog burrow]

Add a paladin class

I need high hp low dmg

[ember river]

The main thing being is if one person is significantly hurt from combat, that should be visible from the outside

[analog burrow]

A limp walk on enemies so you know who’s weak 🤣

[lucid folio]

today I had an incident when I hit an entire enemy team with 3 chain lightnings and 2 fireballs, it all made them half hp and their mage missed everything but one fireball that did a oneshot

that's dumb

[analog burrow]

Sheesh

Skill issue or no

[twin delta]

i agree on visibly bloodied

[wanton dagger]

ACTUALLY nevermind mag damage scaling is fine. It's the magic RESIST which has a weird plateau in scaling

[twin delta]

it's a good indicator of how dangerous a barbarian is with berzerker

[wanton dagger]

Mixed em up

my bad

[twin delta]

magic resist is scaled assuming you can use a shield to block it

which it shouldn't imo

[jaunty bay]

chain lightning has a relatively short range, just stay out of the range of it, they also have to sit more often now with lower spell counts

[lusty wren]

You didn't land all of those if they were only half health 😄

[silk quest]

Shields should block some spell damage

[wanton dagger]

Yeah kinda weird

[twin delta]

shields do block spell damage

[silk quest]

Yeah i know

[tawdry plaza]

how long do you have to wait between suggestions

[silk quest]

I said some not as much as it does

[twin delta]

it's about a 50% reduction on direct, 75% splash

and that's just the buckler against a skeleton mage fireball

[lucid folio]

you know you can see whether you hit your chain lightning or not, don't you?

[wanton dagger]

100% for magic missile

[twin delta]

YO FOR REAL?

[wanton dagger]

Yes

You can block all of it

[lusty wren]

Yup! And if you hit them with as many spells as you claim even as default vs geared you killed them. You are fibbing

[twin delta]

that's real solid D&D right there

[wanton dagger]

Did you know that your allies can block your own heals when their shield is up?

[jaunty bay]

that seems unintended

[wanton dagger]

Yeah

[twin delta]

you can block chain lightning btw, and the damage on the jump scales from the initial/previous hit

[tawdry plaza]

keep it

[jaunty bay]

so i guess a heal is just a reverse damage projectile then

[wanton dagger]

Yes

[twin delta]

it is a reverse damage projectile

[balmy knot]

I would really like to see a way to get in, loot a couple rooms, and get out. As a group. Landing five hits on another barbarian and dying to one of his because he had blue and purple gear and I'm in broken grays is not a great experience.

[ember river]

I think it is intended. All magic is being treated as projectiles, beneficial and harmful, just like you can accidentally haste an enemy.

[twin delta]

and only holy light gets blocked. was doing minor heal yesterday on a friend to test and it worked just fine

[lucid folio]

I'm just describing what happened and I don't need you to guess if it really happened or not. It did and I know that since you can see when the lightning chains, indicating your hit while them being pushed indicates a fireball hit

[jaunty bay]

yea but blocking a heal doesn't really make much sense

[lusty wren]

I am not guessing. I am making a factual observation. You are fibbing But I have no wish to argue the obvious with you. So continue as you wish

[wanton dagger]

Casted 4 minor heals into a shield and they retargeted back to me

[twin delta]

it makes sense in a scripting perspective

[wanton dagger]

POINT BLANK

[tawdry plaza]

this but make it costly. no reason you should be able to farm loot infinitely

[twin delta]

point blank as in your staff was going past them?

'cause the staff does start the 'projectile' at its tip

[lucid folio]

you are making a guess since I know for sure that you are being wrong on this one

[ember river]

It is a projectile spell that happens to be beneficial, but it is still a spell.

[wanton dagger]

No with a spell book standing like half a meter away with my fighter holding their shield up when they waited for heals

[twin delta]

huh

okay i tested it with staff

maybe it's a bug on spellbook

[balmy knot]

Just make it so you don't get the good stuff until the second level or closer to the center. But being able to get a few coins or whatever so maybe you can get a green or two before committing to fights would be huge.

[sacred niche]

The barbarian has blues and purples to lose. You have nothing to lose but starter gear (free). It's called Risk Versus Reward.

[twin delta]

hide from players and use a blue portal to escape. that's what you're asking for

[north stream]

#d-and-d-suggestions message my idea please like if interested

[twin delta]

if you see or hear another player then run away from them

[balmy knot]

Not much of a risk when you can tank 5 hits without breaking a sweat and 1 shot other players.

[jaunty bay]

im just saying heals to me seem like they should feel less like a projectile and more of just embuing them with energy. I guess in essence that energy would somehow travel but being blocked by a sheild is the same as them blocking it with armor in my eyes

[lusty wren]

YOu do realize portals start spawning like 3 minutes after the damn raid starts already right? Find an early portal and leave

[sacred niche]

That is an issue with Barbarian being overpowered currently. Not the state of the game.

[twin delta]

eh, armor is reduction

[patent bison]

If you are wanting to just get in, loot and get out, picking a fight with a barb isn't the best way to do that

[twin delta]

a shield is deflection

also the barbarian being overpowered is due to the teamcomp of barb/wiz/cler

[wanton dagger]

Barb benefits real hard from buffs

[twin delta]

wiz and cler roid up the barb and you're now dealing with a roughly 80 damage torso hit

[lucid folio]

games also include different mechanical skills which should play a huge role, while gear rarity should make you stronger, it defo shouldn't make you THAT stronger

[twin delta]

on a raging barbarian who outruns your rogue/ranger

[reef cosmos]

barb its just broken rn

[jaunty bay]

I wish barb skills were more versatile tho, speed is 100% needed and the other seems like a toss up

[patent bison]

Can also be heard from a mile away. They gotta scream before they attack. If a barb gets the drop on me, its my own fault

[reef cosmos]

if there isn't a trap or a flying fire ball on the way, nothing stops a barb

[ember river]

But if a magic missile hits armor, he takes damage, but if it hits the shield, he doesn't. So the shield takes the damage, and in a sense, your healing spell is healing the shield

[sacred niche]

Barb can have no gear and still hit like a truck. It's partly because thats what the class is meant to do, and part because it's overtuned rn

[twin delta]

you go for speed and fear on barb

[balmy knot]

People acting like this game doesn't force you into PVP with the constricting circle and random, timed extraction spend and pretending that all fights are avoidable is about what I expected, so cheers.

[lucid folio]

barb is kinda easy to dodge

[lusty wren]

The loudest class in the game yet it somehow ambushes people? Wtf are you guys doing

[twin delta]

'cause the fear effect makes enemies deal less damage to you if they're players

[wanton dagger]

Just scream mid-airdrop onto the peoples' heads

[twin delta]

also they don't have to scream before they attack, they only scream when using skills

[lusty wren]

A large majority of fights are avoidable if you act fast with a smart plan

[twin delta]

they'll scream AFTER they swing

[patent bison]

No idea

[sacred niche]

The intent with Barb is great, keeping to the spirit of the class. It simply needs a retune, it'll come. The game is in alpha, people truly need to chill.

[twin delta]

and some weapons on barb don't have scream either, like the maul

[jaunty bay]

it makes sense based on how the game works, but it just feels a bit off thematically to me, it seems rare ur teammate would block a heal anyway

[ember river]

But it may just be that you think heals should be cast in a completely different style.

[lilac canopy]

every class except cleric is equip to not fight a barb

[twin delta]

barbs should always be audible as if you had a ranger hearing perk on

[reef cosmos]

they buffed a barb on the door and the mage gave him speed, he screamed and got 2 speed buffs.
he came like a bull with 2 or 3 shields from potions and cleric mage and destroyed us.
Hows that my fault?

[twin delta]

which btw, i don't think the hearing perk is working

[wanton dagger]

Spam judgement and pray

[lusty wren]

Shoulda heard you coming. If you get ambushed by a barb you are doing something wrong

[patent bison]

Engaging?

[lucid folio]

I'm talking about gear rarity for all classes, not just barb. I think mage is even more gear-dependent, while barb can oneshot even with his starter kit. He's pretty easy to dodge tho since his attacks are very slow

[jaunty bay]

don't different boots make different sounds too, most times they aren't wearing slippers

[twin delta]

you can't stack potion protection with spell protection, or any protection

[reef cosmos]

accept it, there is no counter play for a barb engaging you

[patent bison]

Coulda retreated way before he charged. Listened out before even encountering them.

[wanton dagger]

between floor audio is a bit janky. As I said they scream mid-jump

[reef cosmos]

if you dont engage them first

you are dead

[lusty wren]

Block the easily predicted slow attacks until buffs are gone while your team deals with the other two?

[wanton dagger]

so it was already too late

[twin delta]

barbs start with heavy boots, which are actually quiet

[jaunty bay]

huh weird

[twin delta]

they're quieter than the fleetfoot boots

[wanton dagger]

WHAT

[twin delta]

which is not right

yeah

[lusty wren]

YOu will know the barb is there much before the scream if you are paying attn

[floral sluice]

Which boots are the quietest?

[twin delta]

old shoes

[jaunty bay]

yea i knew feet were more loud in game, which is oddly punishing for something that only gives you benefits when you wear it

[patent bison]

Charge any and all players
If lose - Opponent OP
If Win - Puff out chest

[reef cosmos]

lol, so if i want to face a barb i need to stall until we can 3v1? sounds ok

[lusty wren]

If you are up against a buffed out barb and cant handle the buffs yes. find a way to stall out the buffs

Counter play

[tawdry plaza]

d&d patching are we back in???

[twin delta]

barefoot is actually as loud as plate

[wanton dagger]

Where's the CC skills 0-head? Buff bind then.

[twin delta]

slap slap slap slap slap

[floral sluice]

How significant are the speed stats on the boots?

[lusty wren]

You clearly cannot comprehend text

[lucid folio]

barb feels like that class that destroys everyone on a lower skill level, but really starts to struggle against better players, who won't try to shoot him point blank or hit him directly without trying to dodge as a rogue

[patent bison]

slap slap slap slap slap

[twin delta]

speed stats on boots offset armor, and getting to +5 is on par with a haste buff

[floral sluice]

Interesting, thank you

[reef cosmos]

if you can prepare for the engage, ok. But if a barb runs at you and you didn't put any traps or have a fire ball already flyiing on the way. bye bye

[twin delta]

barb wins if you can't prepare

[wanton dagger]

Which boots are just below plate?

[twin delta]

just below plate would be uh... crap they're not heavy boots, but they have almost the same stats

[jaunty bay]

I would guess the rugged or heavy, but I don't honestly remember allt he boots

[lusty wren]

Use your ears and eyes. problem solved

[lilac canopy]

if barb op just wait till they release the play data again for this playtest

[lucid folio]

you don't need traps. As soon as he starts his swing, he gets much slower and you will dodge it just by running the opposite direction

[patent bison]

So barb wins some engagements? Thats how its meant to be.
What alternative do you suggest? That you should be able to win in any situation? That would kinda make your class over powered

[lucid folio]

ofc if you're not a barb yourself

[reef cosmos]

even at a 3v3 battle you have to put traps and fight with extrem care. if that isn't broken i don't know

[sacred niche]

move to #game-discussion if you aren't talking about new suggestions? 🧠

[twin delta]

proxy you're ignoring the lack of ideal situations

[lusty wren]

Its no shocking that a squishy high dps class ahs to play carefully and use its tools to survive. Literally mind blowing

[twin delta]

barbs who hunt players invade on rooms they hear fighting in, so you CAN'T hear them coming

[tawdry plaza]

don't put yourself in that situation

[reef cosmos]

@patent bison IRONMACE took out of the game every oneshot mechanic they could until now, but barb is untouched. his weapon damage gets high like 250 on the dummy

[patent bison]

And they are slow as heck

[twin delta]

that's the same as saying 'don't play the game' then

[lusty wren]

Which has 0 mitigations

[patent bison]

Those ceiling axes swing faster than a barb

[lusty wren]

This is how you know he is new 😄 (which is fine)

[twin delta]

with how high the number of rooms with hostiles in them are, compared to trap rooms

[wanton dagger]

Up the slow on weapon hit and lower the damage a bit so my wiz doesn't get oneshot all the time?

[reef cosmos]

sure, what can you a ranger do against such a slow axe, when he is buffed the shit out

[twin delta]

if you open a chest, door, break a pot, even pick up loot

it makes noise

[lusty wren]

As you said. Play carefully and use your tools... You are a glass cannon that is how it rolls

[eager creek]

you run

[patent bison]

I play Ranger. And everytime I've died to a barb its cos I was stupid

[reef cosmos]

the fact that the axe is slow only means you will die slowly

[patent bison]

Sheath weapon and disengage lol

[twin delta]

also if you're a ranger and not using the spear, you need to get used to using the spear

[wanton dagger]

Nevermind, proxy probably uses that MSI addon for the deaf and gets precide sound directions every time.

[sacred niche]

RESTART STEAM

[twin delta]

you're able to block with it for one, and even though it's not a good block it's able to keep you alive against barbs

also you out-range barbs

[reef cosmos]

what the hell man, they have a speed skill and in 3v3 if someone buffs with speed, you cant out run THE SLOWEST class

[lusty wren]

I have good headphones and have no problem hearing where people are coming from, same with my entire group none of us struggle to hear what direction something comes from. If you are paying good attn a barb has very little chance to "surprise" you

[twin delta]

you can windup the first hit to land when they enter your reach, then the second comes out before their axe is coming down

[eager creek]

sounds like a skill diff to me

[lucid folio]

the problem with "glass cannons" in this game is the fact that barb does more damage than them and is tanky at the same time, even if he is slow

[jaunty bay]

yea id say if you got a barb running at you as a ranger and you don't think ur gonna hit ur shots you put ur weapon up and debate on whether dropping ur chest is worth

[twin delta]

it solves the solo berzerker barbarian problem

but you're still boned against a roid barb

[reef cosmos]

dont say that, they dont want to read this

[lusty wren]

You realize slow = less application of dmg right?

[eager creek]

people actually complainging about barb, when they are playing an S tier class (archer)

[lusty wren]

Turn your back to them and run a few steps then turn back and hit them. Repeat

[patent bison]

Goes back to picking your fights.
So many teams run around making all the noise in the world and then get surprised when another team finds them.

[twin delta]

ranger isn't S tier imo

A tier at most

[lucid folio]

squishy > have to pick opportunities > less damage potential

[patent bison]

*person

[lusty wren]

Almost as if classes have strengths and weaknesses 😄

[reef cosmos]

there is a reason barbs are all over the leaderboard, if you cant stop denying, you are a barb

[jaunty bay]

ranger prolly has the best skills in the game tho minus maybe the fighter

[twin delta]

ehh... nah

[lusty wren]

Can also hit at extreme range where as barb has to be VERy close

[twin delta]

they have the easiest to understand skills in the game

it's all straightforward

[lucid folio]

almost if barb is more consistent because of not having to be careful while being the only one who literally oneshots

[lusty wren]

None of this games skills are "hard to understand" 😄

[lusty wren]

If a barb is not careful he just gets kited to death by a half way decent archer

[reef cosmos]

doenst matter, this game is not a solo 1v1 game, with the cleric and wizard speed buff, no one gives a shit about how slow is a barb. He will advance on you faster than a naked rogue

[twin delta]

•wizard with arcane damage scaling, and not being informed of the spell types
•some skills are not worded correctly and are misleading
•some skills just don't work

sure, easy to understand with all that obscured info

[lusty wren]

During the swing its still slow with the buffs. Slow enough to easily predict it turn ur back and walk 2 steps to avoid it

[jaunty bay]

i mean quickshot and the shotgun and change things. I feel like alot of classes skills are niche by comparison. Like Judgement is great under very ideal situations in teamfights for example

[lucid folio]

if we are talking about a half way decent archer, we should pick a half decent barb that is careful enough to not fall for this

[twin delta]

should say traits instead of skills

[lusty wren]

Stop face tanking barbs and you will be alot better off

[patent bison]

So you cant avoid current barbs "one shot" swings. and therefore want the barb damage nerfed? But then that would have to come with a swing speed buff and you'd be even worse off than before lol

[twin delta]

since skills are active and traits are passive

[lusty wren]

He said a barb does not have to be careful, So I used his example of a non careful barb 😄

Context is king

[reef cosmos]

you cant avoid, unless you have practice on dodging or you have a good shield.

[twin delta]

actually you can avoid the one-shot

[reef cosmos]

looks like its been some time since you had a barb on your face @lusty wren

[twin delta]

you just gotta force it to land on your arm

[lusty wren]

Yes practice makes perfect my friend. You literally just stated this is a GIT GUD issues 😄

[lucid folio]

barb doesn't have to be careful against bad players. Rogue, for example, still has to

[twin delta]

that one-shot turns into a 1/3rd health hit

[jaunty bay]

I think barb on it's own is fine, it's claric wiz barb thats a bit spooky.

[twin delta]

eh, rogue who gets two knives can also go ham

[meager blaze]

why are barbs base stats and skills so good?

[late gate]

Seems as though people like my suggestion to implement a shove/kick feature to nudge enemy NPCs out of the way, and perhaps enemy players off cliffs, into traps, etc.

[lusty wren]

Changing the context to devalue my comment means nothing 😉 thanks for trying though

[twin delta]

hold M1+M2 and W against bad players and they die

[reef cosmos]

@lusty wren when was the last time you had a barb on you up close?

[lusty wren]

Today

😄

[late gate]

Going two knives seems to slow you down and make things more difficult, in my experience?

[jaunty bay]

you can hold? lol

[reef cosmos]

@lusty wren what did you do

[lusty wren]

Killed it

and took his shit

[twin delta]

you know what they say about a man with two knives right? would be pretty happy

[lusty wren]

and moved on

[reef cosmos]

ok, someone killed it for you

[dense lava]

Rangers are most broken so easy to play just disengage fights/ distance until u land a triple shot

[lusty wren]

Nope, was solo actually as a fighter

[reef cosmos]

highroller?

we arent talking about naked barbs here

[lucid folio]

the wasn't a change in context. You started adding skill levels to the balance conversation which should only consider players of the same skill level since that's how balancing works

[lusty wren]

Lots of assumptions from you eh

[twin delta]

eh, it's easy to say 'just disengage fights' when you leave yourself open while doing so, and opening doors takes 2 seconds

[late gate]

I'd like two dagger-wielding if it didn't seem to make things clunkier and slower. Seems like a slight disadvantage over an advantage, from my few times doing it.

[lusty wren]

Highroller is not a prerequisite for people wearing gear I pull purple off people in norms all the time

[twin delta]

if you leave a door open then someone sneaks up behind you

[reef cosmos]

if you pick the best scenario possible and say its easy to deal with a barb

[lusty wren]

You literally asked when the last time I fought a barb was. I said today... I never specified on gear you are just pulling stuff out your ass now

[jaunty bay]

you should only really do it if you have good weapon buffs. Both weapons stats apply to the character in general when held.

[eager creek]

are there any barb players at the top of the leaderboards lol?

[dense lava]

IS easy you can also bait someone to attack specially barbarians, you have no weapon you can easily open doors

[meager blaze]

you are being disengenuous. barb is not balanced. stop defending it.

[twin delta]

proxy you've been ignoring the non-ideal scenario every time it's been brought up

[reef cosmos]

you know barb is broken you just don't want to accept

[eager creek]

ive never heard any sweats complain about barb

[lusty wren]

I disagree

[lusty wren]

I disagree

[twin delta]

at this point it's just coming across that you're arguing in bad faith

[lusty wren]

And I dont even play barb

😄

[late gate]

I get that, but with how it seems to slow your attack down, it doesn't seem worth it. I can apply faster with one dagger, no?

[eager creek]

you guys geneuinely think barb is op?

[twin delta]

ay servers are back

not op

[lusty wren]

My experience with them all comes down to fighting them only. Which I find to be pretty easy to counter them

[lucid folio]

but you didn't give any good arguments for that, all you said before lacked logic

[twin delta]

the meta comp with barb is a real problem though

[dense lava]

They are op if Game was only melee but right now for me meta is distance not melee

[eager creek]

whats the meta comp?

[lusty wren]

How so? I literally explained how to counter them

[jaunty bay]

well you don't even have to use the other dagger, just think of it as a stat stick

[reef cosmos]

Facts
Barbs have the best stats
Barbs have the highest dmg
Barbs are faster than anyclass with the skill buff alone (not counting with wiz and cleric buffs)

[lucid folio]

your personal experience doesn't represent an actual state of things. It's just your experience, which is subjective

[twin delta]

bar/wiz/cler who steroid the crap out of the barb who can then run in faster than ranger/rogue and one shot fighters

[lusty wren]

And your experience is just as subjective buddy

[late gate]

Ohhhh, so the effects stack onto ONE dagger while wielding two?

[jaunty bay]

yes

[eager creek]

this cope omg, get skill diff'd

[lucid folio]

that's why I didn't appeal to my experience

[eager creek]

stop trying to fight barb in honest fights

[late gate]

I see, I see. That...is odd and will likely be patched out.

[eager creek]

whats wrong with you lol

[dense lava]

But then we talling about barb comp not the class itself

[lusty wren]

Ok, so if you are not going off of experience how do you say its OP? 😄

[twin delta]

that's the only qualm i've been having with it tbh

[lusty wren]

If you do not use yoru experience and game knowledge how do you know if anything is OP

[meager blaze]

barb should be a high damage glass cannon, not high damage and hp. they take too long to take down and can take you down in one swing

[reef cosmos]

my point is barb with buffs are an unstoppable bull, i know i will see a nerf soon

[jaunty bay]

no I believe it's buffing the player when held and is intended. Armor can give damage buffs when worn, seems the same to me.

[lucid folio]

stat-wise, especially top spots on the leaderboards being filled with barbs

[eager creek]

then run away from it?

[twin delta]

in 1v1 i'm alright with a barb killing me. it's frustrating to lose gear but at least it was a fair fight (usually)

[reef cosmos]

you cant run away from 52 agility stats buffs

[meager blaze]

"yea just run away" cant wait till the meta is full of these comps and the game is just "run away"

[lusty wren]

Cant use experience.... Just do paper math... This is silly logic. Lots of stuff looks great on paper and then fails in application

[twin delta]

run away from the barb
you do realize that not wearing chest armor means they'll outrun you with rage right?

[jaunty bay]

i mean one of the traits incentivizes you to not wear armor

[twin delta]

AND they keep their weapon out

[high acorn]

[lilac canopy]

barb has the lowest play rate guys, its ok to be new and die to a barb it happens

[twin delta]

also assuming there's always space to run to

when 90% of the dungeon is hallway

[lucid folio]

no, this is the way any science works. You either use an experience of a huge sample of people (which is well represented by the kill leaderboard) or do the math

[lusty wren]

You cant run down a hallway now? sounds like it can be a place to run to me 😄

[meager blaze]

they have extremely high base hp so armor doesnt matter and honestly hinders them. the fact that theres a perk that gives you bonuses on top of that is busted

[twin delta]

hallways end proxy

either in a door or a wall

smh

[lusty wren]

Science works by TESTING. not by looking at it on paper and saying OH YUP this is fact

How do we test?

Well we play the damn game for one

[reef cosmos]

no they cant accept this, dont even say it, they will cover their eyes

[lusty wren]

LOL

[lucid folio]

depends on the field

[lusty wren]

experience

[eager creek]

the #1 pvp is a fighter, so is fighter op too?

[twin delta]

if that paper was written by observing test results, then yes you go 'yup this is fact' proxy

[lusty wren]

Only pseudo sciences just assume they are right without testing it

LOL

[wanton dagger]

So you're saying that leaderboards don't actually collect data?

Brilliant.

[lusty wren]

Show me where I said that.

[twin delta]

proxy's been doing this for the past hour

[reef cosmos]

are fighters in bigger number on the board?

[lucid folio]

so astrophysics and math are pseudoscience?

[lusty wren]

Yes I tend to enjoy retorting the bad takes in here

[lusty wren]

Astrophysics tests all the time. are you joking?

[jaunty bay]

yea but when they miss with any weapon but the quarterstaff they are wide open. I think people don't realize you can dodge someone more effectively by "not" looking at them. If your eyes are always on ur opponent they will always catch you

[leaden marten]

Would like to suggest an adjustment to Goblin Cave Portal Spawns. Stinks when you manage to wipe 3 players and then the portal spawns two layers below you.

happens pretty consistently

[lucid folio]

they can't test everything, they test what they can do, but majority of it is just theories

[meager blaze]

they only need one or two hits. you probably need 3-4 on their head

[lusty wren]

Exactly UNPROVEN THEORIES. Again you are destroying your own argument. When they cant test the things remain THEORIES You know EDUCATED GUESSES

[eager creek]

did you guys play the last playtests

or are you new?

[late gate]

That's a fair point.

[lucid folio]

which are still not pseudoscientific like you said before. Even if they aren't proven, it's still academic science

[lusty wren]

I said sciences WHO DO NOT TEST are... ASTROS test and if they dont they call it a THEORY not FACT

We can move on though. I am not paid to educate you. You shoudl find a tutor

[jovial swan]

There is quite literally zero reason for a minimum level to exist in the gathering hall.

[lucid folio]

them calling it theories still doesn't contradict your statement that all that isn't tested is pseudoscience

[wanton dagger]

Nice freudian slip there lol

[lusty wren]

This was not my statement. Maybe find a reading comprehension tutor as well

[jovial swan]

It completely goes against all team RPG design.

[lusty wren]

That would mean I do get paid to educate him??? Trust me I do not

[lucid folio]

that was clearly what you wrote

[abstract snow]

Anyone claiming barb is OP has yet to hold 'S' key while fighting them /shrug

[lusty wren]

Reading is hard I know

[jovial swan]

Anyone who thinks Barb is OP hasn't fought my Fighter with a War Maul yet.

They keep running.

[lucid folio]

you can't just say "that's not what I said because now I say so". You said what you said and it's there

[abstract snow]

its to prevent people from deleting red names and going right back to foul play is it not?

[lusty wren]

There is a record of what I said above. Just because you cannot comprehend basic text is a you issue sorry (I am moving on now with or without you 😉 )

[jovial swan]

That should just be account bound.

Not class bound.

[lucid folio]

that's what you said

[abstract snow]

but thats not how it exists right now, right? until they implement that theyve gotta come up with something

[jovial swan]

A minimum level is absolutely going to be obnoxious for fair players.

[abstract snow]

probably easier to code

[late dome]

*bad players

[jovial swan]

That "something" is unnecessary even at THIS moment.

[jovial swan]

No, and fair players who want to team up with randoms.

[lucid folio]

and astrophysicists really do assume that those theories are true even without testing them because their majority agrees they are most likely to be true. Which doesn't turn them into pseudoscientists

[jovial swan]

If anything, I think they need to implement an "Account Level" system.

[meager blaze]

i gasped looking at the minimum gathering hall level what. tf is the point? if you wanna seperate them then make a low level gathering hall not take it away lol

[lusty wren]

If anything noobs need it more IMO

[jovial swan]

Yeah, try that as Rogue and I guarantee many people will be after your head enough to make that 10 or so no-escapes.

Or in fact.

Play solo Wizard in this economy. lmao

[lusty wren]

I think that is a bad compromise. Noobs need to be able to have a way to group with the experienced seeing how they will be fighting them. All should be able to join it

[meager blaze]

yea i dont think they should have changed it at all

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[jovial swan]

That is why I already made the suggestion to remove it.

[lusty wren]

If you link it Ill upvote 😄

[jovial swan]

Adds unnecessary tedium and hinders the social and learning aspect of it.

[meager blaze]

i dont even get the though process behind the decision. why would they do that

[leaden marten]

Also, not sure how they changed goblin spawns yet. Haven't noticed a difference.

[jovial swan]

.shortinfo 1594638

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Vulgun#7086

[Quality of Life: Remove the Gathering Hall minimum level. This new restriction is completely unnecessary, removes the ability for new players to make teams with others, and makes trying to make teams as a veteran player tedious because each time you make a new class, you'll have to grind it up to that level.]

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Suggestion ID: 1594638 | Submitted at · Feb 10, 2023, 9:12 PM

[jovial swan]

But seriously grinding an hour just to be able to play with other people, PER CLASS, is stupid and a waste of time.

It'll just encourage people to stay on their already high leveled class.

[lusty wren]

Thanks

[meager blaze]

lol per class i didnt even think ab that ☠️

[jovial swan]

Others probably don't think about that, too.

I immediately did.

I was like, "Oh shit, this is going to be terrible."

And it'll just add up.

[blazing halo]

Gear Previewer. Youre welcome

[dawn steppe]

In match chat, its bit a annoying having to alt tab to communicate with friends without the ability of speaking or typing in match

[slow thistle]

there's plenty of ways to find people to play with without the gathering hall. This discord for example; or forcing your friends to play; or randomly inviting people from the player list.

[dawn steppe]

Play goblin dungeon speedrun any% (Goblin caves/dungeon give mad xp in my experencie)

[slow thistle]

do you mean push to talk for discord? Run Discord as Admin

then you can P2T in game

[dawn steppe]

No i mean as in genuine in game chat

Like typing

Like the one you have in lobby

[slow thistle]

Oh I don't ever type didn't know it was a thing lmao; I just VC

[dawn steppe]

Yeah its a bit of a problem the fact there isnt any way to type after lobby

Specially with randoms from gathering hall

[slow thistle]

that's when you build secret body language code

[dawn steppe]

You just kinda awkwardly hit corpses to indicate loot

Yeah ik how to show loot but its still a pain one way or another, idk why there isnt a chat feature in match

its not really a bad thing nor does it broke the immersion with the game

[slow thistle]

I'm all for it so long as it can be turned off for content creator's sake

[dawn steppe]

could be evened out that whatever that is typed cuts out with distance, like certain words are missing etc

Twitch chat setting turns lobby chat into lines

from what ive seen

So i would wadger you can configure it to apply for in match chat too

[slow thistle]

I do the dance of peace over a body to indicate loot 😄

[dawn steppe]

i usually just crouch or hit it with a torch

[jovial swan]

I should not be forced to go around this system.

[dawn steppe]

but when im playing with friends its defo annoying having to awkwardly alt tab to type in discord to say something like "loot"

[slow thistle]

Didn't see anyone holding a gun to your head m8

[slow thistle]

I feel yah

[slow thistle]

Also did you take a moment to think about why they implemented the change on their end rather than what it did to you directly at this moment? I don't even use the Gathering Hall but I instantly understood the most likely reason it was implemented.

[slow thistle]

They did make the VC be team/local toggle; I could defo see a simple similarity with text chat

[dawn steppe]

Yeah ive seen other games do that before so if they wanna keep the same vibes as proximity chat thats the closest thing

[slow thistle]

But I'm also tbh in love with the simplistic charm of basic communications without voice

makes every encounter a practice in evaluating "body language" 😄

[old shadow]

@magic marsh i saw your suggestion, i like it, would you mind if i made a suggesting expanding off of it?

[manic fulcrum]

1594715 (Merchant you can sell soul hearts to) sounds good but there should be a distinction between a soul heart from someone you partied with, and from someone outside your party. Otherwise there's a bigger reward for teamkilling, or people partying up to funnel soul hearts onto their friends

[dusky temple]

Wizard fireball rocket jump would be cool

[slow thistle]

idk how hard it would be to implement but a simple fix could simply be if you're que'd with X's heart; that heart dissolves at extraction

[manic fulcrum]

i like it. i think thats how it currently works

and then they add a tag to enemy hearts so they can be kept outside of the game

[slow thistle]

I've honestly never pulled a soul out of game so I didn't know they persisted 😄

[magic marsh]

Go for it

[slow thistle]

You can sort of do it now; though it hurts

[manic fulcrum]

i think because the soul hearts take up 2x2 space, the merchant you sell it to should give you a currency (soul dust?) that stacks to 10 like coins. I'm apprehensive to add too many currencies to the game tho. Thoughts?

[rough crane]

Hey, someone may have already brought it up. But considering the scaling of items for classes that dont scale exponentially with attributes and damage it may be beneficial to introduce set bonuses to armor.

[reef cosmos]

@lusty wren

[raw belfry]

@dry anchor I legit have a video of me making it all the way through goblin caves on my first run of this new demo as a wizard :p

As a wiz main, it hurts me physically when he gets any nerfs, but lets be completely honest with each other here.
A skilled wizard can 1v3

[dry anchor]

then suggest away for all the wizard nerfs you want

i just think if someone cant solo que goblin caves as a wizard then they cant advocate for wizard nerfs

[raw belfry]

If you want to see how to do it, feel free to look up my video on youtube.

[modern kraken]

No.

[simple helm]

As I just posted we should be directing all this nerf/buff feedback to a dedicated section where folks can just up/down vote everything in the game. Would keep the suggestions section for actual IDEAS and cut down on the clutter. Also it would be an infinitely better way to aggregate data on what people actually think.

[tawny prairie]

Can we add discord channel cooldown suggestions?

Mods have set qa to 5 minute cooldowns. Got to decide now if that question is REALLY worth answering.

[visual sapphire]

I think spiders should spawn less cuz its insane how much they come out fast

[frank nymph]

What do you think about a map item. It just shows you the whole map, but NOT your position on it

[granite plinth]

The Game is really good in my opinion it should lunch now in early access and kept beeing updated until it's full release ❤️

[tawny prairie]

I want mall informational maps in rooms with a big you are here on it

[lucid folio]

I would actually be happy if it went into early access even without updates for a while, it's one of those games where players entertain themselves with pvp an fun in-game situations and it also has leaderboards for people to grind

small playtests with gaps between them is what super people did, losing most of the players between playtests

[lusty wren]

?

[sweet gale]

I dont know if you have any matchmaking system planned. Id suggest this: to balance squads being overpowered, start matching ppl according to number of members in the squad, their level and solo players level, solo players' level being always higher then the squads level. That way the solos at least have the expected experience and gear advantage against a 3-man death squad wiping up the entire dungeon.

[reef cosmos]

i sent you a poll in pm

[lusty wren]

It does not surprise me that a small sample size thinks barb are OP. We see that here

[lilac locust]

guys please nerf this goddamn cleric he's so broken this that less people are playing it doesn't mean the class needs to be untouched edit: heal is broken

[lusty wren]

I do agree though. The amount of people who think barb is OP is more than 0.

Just like some people think clerics need a nerf as seen above 😄

[fast prism]

@wise bane I literally just suggested that lmfao

[lusty wren]

I just think barb is in a decent spot. Its strong, and even stronger in a group. But not sure if I agree its OP. Though if they say gave barb less BUFF efficiency I would not complain because I do agree with a wiz and a cleric both buffing them they become VERY strong @reef cosmos

[wheat roost]

nerf the barbarian? does the barb really need the ability to just one tap somebody who is full health?

[lusty wren]

There are alot of variables. I can tell you I have yet to be one shot by a barb this playtest... 2 shot yes.

[fast prism]

I agree a barb with a decent axe or Halberd can 2 shot someone in full purple

[wheat roost]

1 shot shouldn't be a thing at all lol

[fast prism]

its kinda bull

[wheat roost]

if my arrow can't 1 tap him with a dome shot, he shouldn't be able to one tap me

[lusty wren]

Ur arrow is ranged of course it has to be weaker then a attack that you have to literally be nose to nose to use

[fast prism]

still though 1 - 2 shots is crazy

[wheat roost]

I get that, and I agree, but that doesn't justify the barb being able to one tap someone

an arrow going into your brain is pretty lethal no lol?

[lusty wren]

Does not make the statement I replied to true 😄

[lusty wren]

Its ranged, has to be weaker again its very clear 😄

REALISM means nothing

[stuck perch]

Not only is your arrow range, but it also has a much faster attack animation than a heavy 2handed weapon.

[wheat roost]

ok then in the fantasy world where barbarians can one tap people, why didn't they just take over the whole world...since it doesn't need to make sense and all

[lusty wren]

Ive still yet to be one tapped

2 tapped sure

but not one

[wheat roost]

well good for you

[lusty wren]

what are you playing?

Rogue?

Ranger?

The squishies?

Play better

[wheat roost]

when you get one tapped, I look forward to your return to this channel

[lusty wren]

or play a tankier class

[errant dawn]

when they gonna turn the number of mobs in the solo map down this is ridiculous

[fast prism]

tbf I can see how a ranger or rogue can be one tapped

[tawdry stag]

Skill issue

Stop typing

[tawdry stag]

How?

Run into his arm

[fast prism]

I play fighter i've been 2 tapped by barbs before still think they need a bit of a nerf

[tawdry stag]

he can never sweet spot u unless he uses one of the bad weapons

[wheat roost]

The point is

regardless of anyone's skill level. Barbarian needs a nerf. Get a better argument

[lusty wren]

That you want arrows to hit like trucks but nothing else to 😄 we get it

[tawdry stag]

ok why

ebcause he can kioll in 2 hits?

or 1?

so can ranger?

[wheat roost]

I didn't say shit about arrows hitting like trucks lol

[nimble ruin]

as someone who's played a barb, cleric and ranger I have one tapped people on all three classes so not sure what the compaint is. (just use epic/ranged xbow and land a headshot) same thing as a barb or cleric using 2h axe/maul.

[tawdry stag]

chain lightning can 2 shot an entire team

[lusty wren]

Ive been two shot by arrows, just like barb two shots me... What is the difference other than you have an advantage for being at range?

[tawdry stag]

A rogue can stab you to death before you can react

thats the game

[nimble ruin]

everything about the game is about variables

[signal bridge]

the game is rly fun, but the servers is ruining the game for me atm 😦

[tough prism]

Ahh the pain i feel when im cruising down the hall and they just jump you

[fast prism]

I haven't had any server issues personally

[signal bridge]

i gues dont live in norway then...

all my friends is lagging af

[compact island]

what crazy garbage fix the servers of sao paulo

[tawdry stag]

what do you guys think about goblin cave?

terrible design no?

[fast prism]

eh needs to be worked for sure

I find it more difficult to solo in goblin caves then in regular dungeon

[tawdry stag]

Me too

There are no transfer corridors with low amounts of mobs

[tough prism]

The only problem imo is the different floors and lack of easy traversal in endzone

[tawdry stag]

So you always pull some random elite

[tawdry stag]

Yes this is a huge one

[lusty wren]

Love the design. Wish it rotated with the normal dungeon for groups 😄

[fast prism]

I also find the wave closes way to fast for the size of it

[tough prism]

I mainly play ranger and after the first few games i have no trouble with pve. Cant say what other classes go through but according to the killfeed its rough

[lusty wren]

Can say the same for normal dungeon half the people die to mobs

if not more

The amount of people who die to mummy spiders is staggering

[fast prism]

I main fighter and find it takes a bit longer to clear the goblin caves end up with barely any time to loot before end circle

[fast prism]

fr 😂

[tawdry stag]

real quick, can footsteps be hear while you stealth?

I play solo so I cant check with a friend

[mossy plank]

For that most recent one, giving rangers poison seems like complete bs

Getting blasted by the bow shotgun move and killed off by 3 stacks of poison

[modest charm]

bro, if ur talking about multishot then idk what to tell you

if the guy runs multishot hes weird

and you shoulda killed him 10 mins ago

but if ur talking about triple shot, yes its good and pretty much a must have

i dont think its op tho

[floral oyster]

No different than a rogue sitting in a corner getting 2 backstabs and a tick of poison to kill someone imo. At least rangers would require a tiny bit of skill in having to actually not miss their shot, which you should already be in their face by the time they reload unless it's an incredibly open room.

[modest charm]

exactly, ranger is so punishing if ur actually not good

on the other hand if ur a good ranger and not a solo, u should run fighter tbh

[fresh citrus]

button to sell all relevant items a merchant will buy in your inventory (not stash) at once instead of having to click each one individually

oops wrong channel

[lusty wren]

What do you take over the shotgun?

Rations?

😄

[modest charm]

quickfire

[lusty wren]

even more lol

[modest charm]

???

[fresh citrus]

do thje bow related skills do anything for crossbow?

[tough prism]

I run quick fire and the one which increases firing speed for some time

[fresh citrus]

like true flight at least?

[floral oyster]

nope

[fresh citrus]

not even the one that speeds u p your next single arrow's velocity?

[modest charm]

if u need to use multishot u already dun goofed

[fresh citrus]

damn

I've been running crossbow instead of bow on ranger cause I like it more

wish they added another xbow themed utility then

[tough prism]

Pretty much

[modest charm]

xbow seems too onedimensional for me

[fresh citrus]

how so?

I've had way more success with it than a bow but maybe I'm playing with bow wrong

I run the rapier as a backup and use the crossbow with the speed reload perk

[modest charm]

idk, it hits hard but i think the dps is low since you have to reload after every shot

[tough prism]

I sometimes run bow, crossbow. Crossbow can be a great opener and after that you just quickfire them.

[modest charm]

although maybe with xbow mastery its fine, dunno, havent ran it a lot

[fresh citrus]

xbow mastery gives +50% reload speed and I think +50% movement speed while reloading? something like that

[modest charm]

i use windless sometimes as secondary to oneshot squishies

[fresh citrus]

I usually fire a shot or two off and then switch to rapier when theyre close enough to fight

and they die in a few quick swings

[tough prism]

Which type of crossbow u use?

[tawdry stag]

multishot makes it impossible for someone to push you assuming you hit shots while they're gap closing

since if they push into melee rage you put 3 arrows chest and they die

[fresh citrus]

the regular one (not windlass)

and I run the headshot damage perk too

with the headshot it seems to chunk damage really well

[tough prism]

Yeah, the other isnt that great

[fresh citrus]

I feel like with the bow I never have time to land multiple shots before they're right on me

so just 1 or 2 heavy shots feels better imo

[modest charm]

have u tried running with spear instead of swords plate?

[fresh citrus]

no is it good?

I'll try it out if it's worth it

[modest charm]

yeee man, as backup its amazing

[tough prism]

Spears are pretty good on ranger imo

[fresh citrus]

word I'll try it tonight thanks

[modest charm]

but i feel like the multishot is too wide

[tough prism]

But they are horrible at hitting the damned spiders...

[tawdry stag]

its for point blank

melee range

[fresh citrus]

what isn't?

[tawdry stag]

you shoot it at chest

[fresh citrus]

😭

fuck them

[cobalt root]

Shotgun bow

[fresh citrus]

default ranger + spiders = mashing spacebar and spamming arrows at your feet

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-bunny-bunny-christmas-story-pink-bunny-christmas-gif-15903553

[tough prism]

Ur better off jumping around with ur bow hitting them. I cant hit one with a spear for the love of god

[tawdry stag]

being ranger vs spiders on new map

💀

[modest charm]

idk, ive been multishotted as a ranger and barbarian and it does nothing usually

[fresh citrus]

bro @tawdry stag that one spawn in goblin caves as ranger where one room is full of bats and spiders

and the other passageway is mummies

[cobalt root]

Red spiders are evil - they have like 3x as much health

[tawdry stag]

yeahh

[fresh citrus]

that's an instant sprint through for me

lol

[tawdry stag]

I feel like

new map

if u bring pickaxe

It will make you rich

[cobalt root]

I unironically love the spider/bat room - deathskulls drop great loot

[tough prism]

The upper floor in one of the corners of the map?

[fresh citrus]

yeah

[lusty wren]

Sounds like they didnt get ya good with the shotgun.

[fresh citrus]

the one with the pool

[fresh citrus]

haha I like it if I'm not ranger

[modest charm]

broooo, the room with the tower in the middle, the vertical one. u can mine the whole game there haha

[fresh citrus]

that's a great spawn class as any other class imo

[tough prism]

Aah yes

[cobalt root]

You can access the chests in the pool with the spiders too, without going in the pool, by crouching at the edge

[modest charm]

@lusty wren maybe, but i just think quickfire is usable in a lot more situations

[fresh citrus]

did they mention if they plan to give ranger any more ranged weapons in the future?

slings maybe?

[cobalt root]

Javelins would be cool - LMB melee, RMB range attack

[fresh citrus]

o that'd be sick for the barbarian

[modest charm]

@lusty wren + if you put a lot of traps down enemies are get scared and leave you alone

[fresh citrus]

thematically

havent tried barb yet so idk how he really plays

[cobalt root]

Barb is awesome

[fresh citrus]

havent tried wizard yet either

[lusty wren]

Just one properly placed can do this yes, I do agree

[tawdry stag]

Wizard is perhaps the clunkiest implementation of a spellcaster I have ever tried

[floral oyster]

As of right now... if you're dying to a ranger, the issue is with you. Just run up and sneeze on them, it's not a hard concept.

[modest charm]

barb is cool yea, wanted to try out something new, loved it

[tame finch]

I don't see a lot of votes on the increase in people for lobbies. With the current spawn system i feel like this is now more a pvp game than a pvevp. Especially as a solo player 😛

[fresh citrus]

honestly I wish they made the dungeon even deadlier

but the timer much longer

and less player spawns

I think it's too frantic ri ght now at points

when I think dungeon crawl I think like slow paranoid probing of traps, enemies

stopping to listen to sounds

it feels like right now swarm pushes you way too fast

[fresh citrus]

meant to reply to this

[elfin hinge]

i made a suggestion about test extend

[tame finch]

I agree with that as well, especially goes for the gobbo cave, I can relax from time to time in the prison or whatever. But overall I would say go back to the 16 players and then add your suggestion. I prefer that as well.

because it is very hectic at times

[fresh citrus]

yeah right now its like non stop pvp sometimes with no breathing room or tension

in goblin caves

[tame finch]

yea

which kinda kills the dungeoning aspect of it

[fresh citrus]

100% agree

[modest charm]

i mean half the lobby dies to zombies/mummies/spiders anyway

[stuck yew]

i made a suggestion about a guilds system

[lusty wren]

@tender cave Rogues do not have a perk to move while invisible. They have a perk to move while in HIDE they are very different. For example wiz can destealth hide not invisible. Invis pots are already way longer than HIDE and outclass it in every way

[fresh citrus]

feels more like an arena fighter haha

[fresh citrus]

idk it feels like people are getting better quick

[tame finch]

yep

[crude flame]

I dont know about you guys, but honest to god I don't understand why someone who misses a swing should be able to block faster than someone who hits you. I just went against a fighter as a rogue and they could keep swinging their swords and blocking before I had a chance to counterract. Everytime I tried to poke with a rapier, they could just block when I attempted to punish

[tender cave]

Yes but they can still move a little. As the pots are now you drink it and just twiddle your thumbs

[lusty wren]

Its already stronger than hide. How much stronger should it be? 😄

Literal class devoted around stealth is outclassed by a potion

[stuck yew]

if your using a big weapon then thats the point you need a smaller faster hitting sidearm to counteract that or just hit around the shield

[tender cave]

Not really. Agin you can’t move. If I see you drink an invis pot, I know exactly where you are. You should be allowed a LITTLE movement

[desert echo]

A high level rare invis potion should give movement

[modest charm]

idk, honestly seems like a skill issue. pushing as a rogue doesnt seem smart, maybe a wizard or ranger but a fighter hell nah

[lusty wren]

You cant move in hide either without taking a perk that reduces your combat effectiveness. Hide is shorter than pot, and can be destealthed unlike pot. The pot is better in every facet

[crude flame]

bro a rapier is not a big weapon. Especially for a rogue who has the fastest attack in the game. Even if I brought a shortsword, I would be getting too close and risking getting hit

[desert echo]

But not being able to move invis potions are useful, don't get outsmarted

[crude flame]

punishing is smart when you have a long range poke to punish a missed attack, but ok

[tender cave]

If you say so. But I’ve never seen any situation what so ever where a invis pot saved you. Because they know you drink it then they just wait

[lusty wren]

Have you been watching me play? They have saved ME as you said many times. And because you have not seen them is because it did its job and you walked by them 😄

[stuck yew]

BRO i still have a 10,00 second timer on the guild hall

i tried rebooting the game

tstill there

now im sad

[lusty wren]

Also if you drink a invis pot when they are looking at you... welp you did it wrong

[modest charm]

@crude flame but ure supposed to be stealthy and attack them when they dont even know youre there, idk havent played a rogue. maybe im just talking nonsense

[stuck yew]

yea invisabilaty dosent work if they know where you are while invisable'

[desert echo]

the stand still to invisible pot is a based mechanic

[tawdry stag]

invis pot makes loud sound

[tender cave]

No. Because you’re usually using them because people know you’re there. And you wanna escape. I’ve killed way to many people because I know they are one way, I go in and they aren’t there… so I start swinging and end up getting a free hit on them.

[lusty wren]

YOu are using them wrong

[shrewd lantern]

ok if they not gonna do something with trade in this game ppl will make website AH like PoeTrade

[fresh citrus]

it feels like with how little time they last

if youre in a situation where using it is beneficial

the other players are gonna hear or see you use it

or know you're there nearby

cant really use it to set up an ambush of players you know are nearby theyre gonna hear the loud as fuck bottle noises

[crude flame]

I did actually. I ambushed them, dealt 4 hits thinking "ok I can go for a few more and finish him off" but I could tell he had ok gear, so playing safe I kept baiting out attacks looking for an opening, and there just wasn't any. Then once his friend came in it was game over. If I had been able to punish him I couldve possibly dealt with his buddy afterwards

[lusty wren]

They last longer than HIDE 😄

[tawdry stag]

Abuse smoke bomb

Youtubers say its bad so no one uses it

but its perma broken

[tender cave]

You know how many times I hear someone drink one from ROOMS AWAY?

[fresh citrus]

hide lasts for a laughable amount of time too though

[modest charm]

ahh okay, at first it soundd like you were just pushing him +w

[lusty wren]

And you just instantly know its a invis pot, and not a prot pot, a health pot?

[shrewd lantern]

rapier dude op as fuck barbs fighters will just die with out even hiting u or just very good gear where u can 2 shot ppl

[fresh citrus]

if you hear the pot and dont see anyone around

then yeah it sprob invis

lol

prot pot makes the obvious as fuck glow

that you can see from across the map

[tender cave]

You hear a potion, you push the room, no one’s there… man couldn’t be an invis pot.

[lusty wren]

if the door is open they coudl have easily walked out of it after healing

😄

[crude flame]

yeeeep. Thats why im having a bit of an issue with it, legit he would miss, I walked forward a few feet and that shield came up virtually instantly compared to its animation hit length

[fresh citrus]

so you have to open the door, then drink it, then sit and hope they walk there instead of being cautious before the timer runs out?

[sharp widget]

Guild system along side guild stash (this could be an instance with several researchable other systems to unlock certain guild features) and maybe a guild vs guild mode (8 man team vs 8 man team) with some more unique bosses

[crude flame]

not with what I just dealt with, all they did was hold m2 during their swing and before the animation even ended the shield was already up

[tender cave]

That’s why the invis pot needs a buff. Even making it a silent potion or way quieter

[lusty wren]

You have to play smart. Pop it when other noise is being made, or use some subterfuge like making sure a door is open so its not obvious. Of course if you are a dummy who just pots in the middle of a closed up room your gonna have a bad time

[fresh citrus]

^

not to proxy ot morta

i think its underpowered

@lusty wren so its too situational

[lusty wren]

Not really

Its a invisibility potion

that can be used by anyone

it should be situational

its not a get out of jail free card

[modest charm]

i mean, i just turn off the torches everywhere i go as a hunter they cant see anything if you dont have potions on ur hotbar

[fresh citrus]

@lusty wren if you're going up against anyone with even half of a brain cell it's practically useless though

if you hear the potion sound and dont see the blue glow

[lusty wren]

You are using it wrong

[fresh citrus]

there's a 1/2 chance theres someone invis nearby

it costs nothing to walk around a room and swing a weapon

no stamina loss nothing

[lusty wren]

YOu just want a get out of jail free card its ok I get it

[shrewd lantern]

bro just get good gear and all be ez + if they shield hit legs use brain

[fresh citrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't use invis potion cause they're bad

[lusty wren]

Because you lack the ability to use them correctly

[fresh citrus]

waste of a slot

[crude flame]

you do know they can crouch?

[modest charm]

i use it only to lose ai aggro

[fresh citrus]

ya because it's a super situational item and it feels like youre almost alway s better off taking something that isnt

[lusty wren]

Ya, another great benefit to them

[tender cave]

It’s a team based game, in a time restricted game. You invis alone now you’re a sitting duck while you’re team moves away or stands there looking like idiots. Or you pop a one minute one, the team that pushes you is actually smart and waits for you to appear. Now you have less time AND in a worse situation

Because you couldn’t move and allowed them to close distance

[simple helm]

To be clear your talking about buying it to go into a dungeon, not picking up and using ones you find in a dungeon

[lusty wren]

This is if you pop it and they know... There are lots of ways to mitigate this

Its situational as it should be

Its a invisible pot

not a free escape pot

[simple helm]

Don't bother arguing with Proxy he is a troll

[lusty wren]

Yes when one has no argument this is what they say 😉

[fresh citrus]

it just dont last long enough for that

[lusty wren]

How long do you think they last?

[fresh citrus]

1: 30?

[modest charm]

if you want easy escapes, turn off the torches as you go. the games literally called dark and darker

[tender cave]

YOU CAN HEAR SOMEONE SIPPING FROM 4 ROOMS AWAY!!!!

[lusty wren]

Bullshit

[fresh citrus]

o idk I've never bought one

[fresh citrus]

bro plays without headphones

😔

[tender cave]

Oh let me sneaky real quick SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPP SLUUUUUURRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP CLANK

[lusty wren]

you are exaggerating and you know it

[fresh citrus]

he's not

the bottle sounds are loud as fuck

[lusty wren]

4 rooms away

[tender cave]

NO YOU HAVE CHEAP AS FUCK HEADPHONES

[lusty wren]

you guys are of fur rocker

[lusty wren]

Tell me what kind of headphones do I own?

[fresh citrus]

trick quesiton

[tender cave]

I’m rocking astros and I can hear it what seems halfway across the map

[fresh citrus]

you dont own h eadphones

or speakers

[simple helm]

I just meant its lot like you consider an invisibility potion not worth picking up when you find it in dungeon, even if you had prefered it be something else

[fresh citrus]

yeah I generally dont take and use them

[lusty wren]

Ill move on, you clearly are pulling things out of your ass now

[tender cave]

Walmart brand Apparantly. Whatever they are please tell me so I never buy that trash

[simple helm]

Not even to sell when you exit the dungoen, they are loot after all

[white cliff]

My A40’s microphone…uh ended up in bbq sauce and now has no noise dampener, sounds like I’m speaking through a CV radio.

[fresh citrus]

@simple helm your pack is usually full of other shit

[tender cave]

No I’m not. You’re either playing with people who have the game on silent cause they don’t want their parents hearing, are to Poor to buy headphones, or the most one track minded lobbies ever

[fresh citrus]

i think most people are exiting dungeons full up no?

[modest charm]

the bottles are loud as fuck but if you dont raise suspicion they will think its a heal pot most of the time

[white cliff]

What?

[simple helm]

Nope

[tender cave]

He’s saying you can’t hear people sipping potions from literal ROOMS away

[modest charm]

i dont go in a room where i hear someone drink a pot and start swinging randomly

[lusty wren]

NO! I am saying you cant hear them from "4 rooms away"

[fresh citrus]

@modest charm you should

[tender cave]

But you can.

[lusty wren]

dont put things into my mouth if you arent going to buy me dinner first

[fresh citrus]

its free loot if someone is dumb enough to use an invis potion that way

if you dont see the blue glow just go in

[pastel fable]

thats not what I want to put in your mouth

[lusty wren]

Edited just for you 😄

[modest charm]

its 95% just a heal pot for sustain

[tender cave]

I wanna put money in it so he can buy a decent set of headphones. Cause he’s delusional.

[modest charm]

at least

[tender cave]

If I’m a team of three and we hear a pot getting sipped we’re pushing it. Because they are either low hp or going invis cause their team died. Free loot either way

[lusty wren]

As you hear it from 4 rooms away 😄

Clown show

[fresh citrus]

how do the dark and darker characters slurp so loud anyways

never heard anyone so thirsty irl

its like they havent drank anything in a 1000 years

[white cliff]

You can hear it from pretty far away, true.

[tender cave]

Ask anyone here. How far away do y’all hear people drinking potions?

[lusty wren]

4 rooms is an exageration

[white cliff]

A module.

[modest charm]

have you heard a 7yo drinking water and breathing at the same time after running outside for 3 hours straight?

[tender cave]

Me and my buddies tested it. 4 rooms away you can still hear it

[lusty wren]

Sure you did

trust me bro right?

[white cliff]

Definitely sounds exaggerated, feel free to post videos.

[fresh citrus]

dad characters are child soldiers?

[tender cave]

No because you have bad headphones and probably learned to tune the sound of drinking out

[merry lotus]

guys is DoT for ranger busted, even something like 2 damge per sec for 3 sec just so that we dont have to waste our precious arrows and spend more time training when solo

[white cliff]

I mean I have A40’s with a mix amp, I’d say my audio is fine…

[tawdry stag]

So just melee the mob?

You can bring a sword or spear

[lusty wren]

Nah they are shit you just dont know better 😄

[tender cave]

You’re not proxy

[white cliff]

Four entire modules sounds insane.

[tawdry stag]

The ranger doesn't really need a buff

[merry lotus]

that would work for people with extra cash (not to mention spear requires a perk)

[tender cave]

I have astros a40s. Best investment ever

[tawdry stag]

An arming sword is 8 gold

[lusty wren]

Yet he shares the same opinion that you are exaggerating. 😄

[tawdry stag]

and its not like its that slow to clear mobs anyway

you never have to stop just hold s while shooting

[fresh citrus]

proxy losing the forest for the trees

[modest charm]

uhhh, my brain melted after trying to understand what you meant by that. :D:D is it a saying of some sort? im not a native english speaker imn sorry 😄

[fresh citrus]

invis pot is too loud and too situational

[merry lotus]

I just mean for when a mob is at like 3 hp and charging u so that you dont have to use an arrow especially when fighting groups

[lusty wren]

Not 4 rooms loud

[fresh citrus]

yeah

youre losing the forest for the trees

[merry lotus]

plus ranger perks are kinda mid

[lusty wren]

The entire argument is that he is exaggerating 😄

[fresh citrus]

dark and darker characters

[fresh citrus]

because he's right?

so you nitpick

lol

[lusty wren]

NO he is not, it cannot be heard from 4 rooms away

[fresh citrus]

cause you cant admit that you're wrong

[tender cave]

He also said you can hear it like crazy. It’s to loud. Imma be sneaky… downs a liter of cola in a second

[modest charm]

invis pot should be situational, if they would be super versatile then rogue and wizard invis would be obsolete

[lusty wren]

Hearing it like crazy is not 4 rooms away

YOu are exagerating

and you know it

nuff said

[tender cave]

No I’m not. Just like you can hear jumping and fighting 4 or so rooms away

Adjust your sound settings and you’ll see

[lusty wren]

This is pointless Id suggest we move along 😉

[merry lotus]

enclosed stone walls echo a lot just saying

[tender cave]

Pointless. Just like the invis pots

[lusty wren]

Your entire argument is ... your poor 😄

get better headphones

LOL

big assumptions

[tough prism]

You can hear them from 3 rooms away

[fresh citrus]

proxy

maybe its not your headphones

have you ever gotten your hearing checked?

this woudl be a sad way to find out

but

😔

[tender cave]

Weird that there’s a lot of people agreeing that they are pointless.

[fresh citrus]

better late than never

[lusty wren]

Yup, had a dr apt last week thanks for caring for my health though 😉 4 rooms is still an exaggeration

[fresh citrus]

then its your headphones

[tender cave]

I have. And it’s fine. Let people like you keep thinking it’s fine. I get free loot almost every run from some bot who chugs an invis pot and think he’s safe

[modest charm]

my buddy saved a raid today with an invis pot. had some distance running away and drank it, mfs were chasing and looking for him. when the ranger came close he just swung his halberd and killed the dude, teammates ran off. after that cleared the room from ai, ressed me and we extracted

[tender cave]

Must of been an upgrade then. Cause I always get free loot because of it.

[lusty wren]

Argumentum ad populum but its better than just saying...YOU POOR get better heads

[tender cave]

You must be if you can’t hear someone downing a River

[lusty wren]

From 4 rooms away

😄

[fresh citrus]

give rogues a perk to minimize potion/equipment sounds

[modest charm]

now thats an argument i could actually get behind

[lusty wren]

More of a suggestion 😉

[fresh citrus]

proxy exists just to be contrarian

[lusty wren]

Factual

😄

[tender cave]

They most likely though it was a health pot. That’s one of the rare situational uses of it. But if they were smart and don’t have tunnel vision he would have been dead.

[lusty wren]

Though its also a factual statement its a suggestion 😉

I heard it from four rooms away

[tender cave]

Or just make smaller vial potions that are instant use but heal like 5-10 hp

[lusty wren]

I can tell the difference

[severe flower]

I am having a hardtime playing and enjoying this game especially solo ... there are too many monsters and it always spawns be right by a bunch (also rooms with continuous spawns) and a big issue is most classes can't defend or kite from the monsters, so you just take too much unnecessary damage way early on

[modest charm]

they were kinda bad i guess but still, if i ran into every room where i heard someone downing a potion i would be swinging in the air 50% of the raid

[fresh citrus]

ironmace could add in a dungeon loudspeaker that plays ATTENTION. SOMEONE IN THE DUNGEON HAS CONSUMED AN INVISIBILTY POTION every timesomeone drinks an invis pot

[regal parrot]

You can hear people 2 to 3 large sections away id say

[tender cave]

You get better headphones already? That was quick. Now you’ll see how dumb invis pots are

[fresh citrus]

and it would be no different than what we have now mechanically

[tender cave]

Maybe. But they were in hot pursuit. So it depends on the situation.

[regal parrot]

Do invis pots sound different for enemies than health pots?

[modest charm]

i think all the pots sound the same only the prot potion has the sound for sheild

[regal parrot]

Right ok

So invis pots are nice already imo

[modest charm]

i could be wrong tho

[lusty wren]

I think the consensus is this means you need new headphones and are poor 😄

[regal parrot]

Maybe moving very slowly is doable, butthen youd want a buttonto remove invis

[regal parrot]

But if the audio for sipping is the same, then its ok

[lusty wren]

Agreed

😄

[regal parrot]

Not sure about why distance matters

[modest charm]

yes but its more probable that he just drank a health pot. if they would start swinging and he actually used a health pot then he woulda just ran away

[regal parrot]

I mean if i escape and im low im healing

Maybe invis pot too

But like

The standard is red pot

[tawdry stag]

Invis pot not for escapes

[regal parrot]

Maybe in hr its more common

[tawdry stag]

Invis pot is for ambushing someone you know will path past you

at least imo

[regal parrot]

Yes

[granite plinth]

Damage numbers when hitting players

[tawdry stag]

thats the best use

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[regal parrot]

I agree jon1

[modest charm]

agreed

[obsidian brook]

sipping is silly to begin with imo, might as well have a spoon lol

[modest charm]

i mean, to be fair, the bottle looks uncomfortable to drink from

[obsidian brook]

true

[fresh citrus]

add a 1/3 chance that your character swallows it wrong

and has a coughing fit

[obsidian brook]

lmao

[fresh citrus]

for 30 seconds

should be lough as fuck

[cobalt root]

should have an option to throw the bottle in someone's face and blind them with glass shards xD

[fresh citrus]

throwing items would be dope even if just as a distraction lol

[modest charm]

throwing knives would help that

[fresh citrus]

i keep forgetting to use those and throwing axes lol

[modest charm]

as a barbarian throwing axes seem like a must have since they slow the enemy down quite a bit

[simple helm]

the range is really poor on throwing knives though

[modest charm]

just aim high, you dont have to be precise to distract someone. if its distraction by sound ofc

[wanton dagger]

Theres a mechanic from some obscure game i remember if you chug pots too fast you get increasing puke chance

[fresh citrus]

that sounds familiar

wasnt that in witcher too?

[modest charm]

in dayz if you drink too much water you throw up

[fresh citrus]

if you take too many you OD and get sick

[wanton dagger]

No no, not those games

Can't quite put my finger on it

[modest charm]

postal??

[wanton dagger]

No

[wanton dagger]

Witcher has a tox bar, that's different

[fresh citrus]

@wanton dagger noita maybe?

they had a fullness/puke mechanic for consumption didnt they

though I cant re member if it applied to potions too

[noble stone]

Man can goblin caves go back to 9 players this is rediculous now

[fresh citrus]

last day of demo they should increase goblin caves to 24 and castle to 48

just for a few hours

[wanton dagger]

I guess noita has it, but no it's not it. Also pixelated though.

[noble stone]

I mean I get why you might want plenty of players in teams

[fresh citrus]

huh if you find it let us know Im curious now

[wanton dagger]

What are the player caps right now?

[fresh citrus]

11 and 18?

[wanton dagger]

11 for gobs oof

18 for castle is understandable - divisible by 3

but why so much for gobs

[noble stone]

for solo players its just obnoxious to run into a naked rogue/barb charging at you 10 seconds after you spawn

like cmon

lemme loot a little first

[fresh citrus]

guess theyre testing shit out

I do agree with you though whytee

[wanton dagger]

barbs are dangerous in gobs

[fresh citrus]

some of the spawns in gobbo are so close

you can hear them running around soon as you're in lol

[noble stone]

yeah

[wanton dagger]

It's mostly on a different elevation, and the rotates are very spread out

But yeah, 11 is a bit too much

[noble stone]

9 was already on the upper end, id say still okay though

9 felt fine

11 feels awful

9 felt like you had a little bit of time at the start to clear out your spawn area and maybe loot a bit

11 seems like you encounter a player almost immediately after spawning

[uneven vapor]

someone wants the playtest extended 2 weeks💀

[tough oar]

i think that plate armor should be more effective for its weight and noise, my idea is that it should either reduce damage by more or it should have a passive glancing or block ability, like a ricochet. im having far more success as a fighter running just leather boots and gloves and a nice hard helmet for the projectile and headshot reduction. its simply far better to wear no armor and move faster so you just dont get hit.

[fiery sentinel]

Would be cool if the first floor was PVE and the second floor was PVEVP that way you could farm up some gear, then you'd all be kinda on the same level and ready to find. And that way, some players could choose not to PVP. They could find a blue portal and just go sell and build up some gear, or they can find a red one and go fight players.

[regal parrot]

More like people want to play longer in general

I know i do 😔

[uneven vapor]

the longer a playtest longer till release and 2 weeks of time for it to get wiped

[regal parrot]

Im a barb and i feel more effective in combat naked ish by far

[regal parrot]

I am going to assume it will be similar to tarkov where they release wipes in general

[tame finch]

running naked (as a barb) is an unwritten rule imo. Just something about it man

[regal parrot]

Feels good. Not optimal in teams tho ig sob

[uneven vapor]

i think they might just add skill based matchmaking because my patience wouldnt last if i had to get my character level 20 again maybe level based matchmaking

[tame finch]

True.