suggestion-discussion

[stray canyon]

or it would be nice to play solo and not die in the room beside your spawn room

[lusty wren]

How about we take the dungeons out of the game and just let you pull a lever for gear. I think that would appease everyone 😄

[simple helm]

90% of sugjestions are just balance complaints or gripes

[sudden fractal]

maybe add microtransaction that gives u god mode

surely, the best idea

[fiery ledge]

They nerfed wizard ice strike -- the least used thing in this entire game. lol

[sudden fractal]

balance or not, still valid suggestions (most of them)

[lusty wren]

They nerfed wizards entire spell line pretty much what you mean

Listening to the lowest common denominator is going to ruin this game

[fiery ledge]

Why touch the ice strike is what I mean

[tardy zinc]

Elden ring syndrom lol

[fiery ledge]

not hard to see where I was going with that

[lusty wren]

Most of those changes were not needed

So why do any of it?

😄

[fiery ledge]

Yes, now we are back to where I was with my first comment

"They nerfed wizard ice strike -- the least used thing in this entire game. lol"

[sudden fractal]

i hope they address the wizard changes and the trade chat quickly..

[shell rain]

I'm gonna suggest a killer idea

[sudden fractal]

go on

[karmic surge]

i dont know if it would make sens with the lore of this game but i would love if there was a way to ping in this game. sometimes its so difficult to direct my friends where there is gear they would want

[lusty wren]

Yes because they did a sweeping change of ALL of their spells that was not needed

[sudden fractal]

L take

u have point emote

million times better than ping

[karmic surge]

wow thats so unhelpful as a counter

[simple helm]

yea agreed

[sudden fractal]

read the rest

we have point emote

[simple helm]

if your using an emote you might as well just stand over said item

[sudden fractal]

or communicate better with ur friends

exactly

trade chat is such a mess gahd damn 😭

[shell rain]

@sudden fractal posted

[karmic surge]

yeah but that means instead of being able to go loot i have to keep standing over said item until they pick it up

[simple helm]

Yea your response is the definition on unproductive, its telling a player a workaround as a counter point to a feature request

[karmic surge]

thank you lol

[sudden fractal]

i thought it was gna be smthn revolutionary maaaan

but not a bad idea, pretty sure it was suggested before too

[shell rain]

IT IS REVOLUTIONARY

[sudden fractal]

but would be fun

[karmic surge]

if you had made a counter that it doesnt make sense because of X then sure i could have a discussion but saying "L take " " i dont have a problem with it means no one does or it doesnt matter" isnt productive

[shell rain]

and simple to do

[lusty wren]

When you drop it on the ground say something. All they have to do is glance at you to know where you dropped it. Problem solved

[south granite]

something like a paladin class would be cool maybe like less dmg then a starting cleric but tanker and have buffs and 1 heal charge that takes around as long as Fighter heal this could be taken tho would be great for solo play

[simple helm]

Yea I am pissed off by this constantly, every game with a sugestion section has this problem, people who think they just need to educate others rather then discuss the sugjestion, it is my biggest gripe about sugjestion sections

[karmic surge]

im not dropping anything nor do i have the space to pick it up, i want to ping a dead body or chest to say there is an item they should go look at and on their screen they visually see it through walls so they can be properly directed to it without me having to lead them there

[simple helm]

Perk and Skill sets might allow us to make a psudo Paladin out of a Cleric

[lusty wren]

You can drag it straight to the ground. Stop being a ass to ur friends pick it up and toss it on the ground for em to not have to opent he body

[south granite]

yeah but i want a actual paladin class because i like playing paladins in like every game

[karmic surge]

even so if im off on another side of the dungeon and they are on the other why cant i ping an item on the ground to direct them

[granite plinth]

Ping would be nice but I'm fine throwing torches towards the thing I want to ping for now

[karmic surge]

throwing around insults here isnt a great way of having a discussion. you have no reason to be disrespectful

[lusty wren]

Ruins immersion IMO. Dropping items on the ground works just fine

[simple helm]

Ok well can you think of a full class of skills and perks which would make a Paladin sufficiently different from a Cleric?

[lusty wren]

LOL it was sarcastic sorry you cant see that. But you are kinda being an ass for ur friends if you tell em gear is somewhere but you didnt drop it for em to find

Not very nice

[karmic surge]

i said in my initial suggestion that it may not be lore accurate but could be prompted by something more magical, has a cooldown that everyone is equipped with

[south granite]

proxy is right its not hard to say "hey blank is have a blank with + blank"

[lusty wren]

I never mentioned lore but glad you thought of it first 😄

[south granite]

im not creative so not really

[simple helm]

Two issues here, the difficulty of seeing small dropped items on the ground, by dropping items you save other people interaction time with chests, but at the potential for them to waste even more time looking at the ground

[karmic surge]

I am telling them and or leading them and can work sometimes but it would be more intuitive to "call something out" to an ally and they can go look at the item/ where it is

[south granite]

maybe something that decrease dmg a little bit but increase attack speed by a lot

[lusty wren]

Nah, it literally has an animation when you are near it. If they glance at wher eyou are when you drop it its easy peasy pie

[lusty wren]

Agreed, I often do this already. I drop said ITEM and say HEy x here is a x with y

[south granite]

i mean youre supposed to be by your team at all times so just drop tell them shoot at it or something and move

[lusty wren]

you do not need a ping to make call outs

voip is in the game

[south granite]

they even have a compass on the map

not map

on top of screen

[lusty wren]

Move west until you see the shimmery sword I tossed on the ground for you 😄

Great call out

[karmic surge]

you said it ruins immersion which ties into lore in game design. immersion lines up with the setting the game is in and that lines up with lore. it all connects in a cycle

[karmic surge]

im saying a call out of your character that then visually pings something in game

[lusty wren]

Negative, pings are immersion breaking no matter the lore. Its about being able to suspend disbelief

[south granite]

what i would like tho is the ability to see ur teammates inv so you can see their gear and abilities and be able to ask "hey can i have the _______ on you?"

[karmic surge]

i will continue to disagree with you but okay we agree to disagree.

[lusty wren]

THis is interesting. Like a inspect in the tavern?

[soft mica]

Tired of spending forever killing Cave Troll to then have to backtrack upstairs through the zone for an extract?? Upvote if you agree ❤️ #d-and-d-suggestions message

[simple helm]

I don't buy 'immersion' arguments here, you can say it's too convenient and reduces the needed teamwork of a group but thats a seperate argument

[lusty wren]

Yes that is fine! We can move on

[simple helm]

Immersion arguments would lead you to eliminating the minimap all together

[lusty wren]

Or you can say it ruins my immersion and I enjoy the game being immersive and allowing me to suspend disbelief 😉

[lusty wren]

Yes I like this!

Put it in suggestions

[south granite]

yeah i feel u should def be able to see their stash and inv because i keep a whole lot of random things in my inv to trade

also we need a friends list

[simple helm]

Obviously you should make that sugjestion if you really want it, I'll be ready with a downvote

[lusty wren]

😄

[south granite]

i feel like a setting where u can disable it or in high roller its auto disabled and you need to get a map would be pretty cool

of course you could buy it from someone

[lusty wren]

I was not being literal. But the minimap has to be there due to the circle.

[south granite]

yeah ik [

[lusty wren]

a minimap does not pop up in the middle of my screen screaming at me that I am playing a game

😄

like pings do

[south granite]

it would still be a feature to make the game harder

[karmic surge]

pings dont have to be in your face tho, they can be subtle.

[south granite]

i think 3 person down portal should spawn in the middle of final circle

would make things more interesting

[lusty wren]

Eh id rather just not take the chance they fuck it up. Seeing how the feature is not needed. You have a compass and can make call outs very accurately no need for a ping system

[lusty wren]

We need less blues

No one goes down to hell

[south granite]

i meant blue

[lusty wren]

I go down almost every raid and have never ran into another person or group

[simple helm]

Two kinds of pings, ones which just apear in the world, like a glow or something on the item, vs ones that apear on the minimap

[south granite]

i feel like there should be less blues and more reds keep like 3 blues and like the 3 blue portal in the middle of circle

also make it so blue portals dont spawn right next to eachother to make it harder since there arent 3 person blues if u all wanna stick together u have to go down

[edgy sierra]

Do you think this game would benefit from a guild/clan system with a shared guild stash or free trading between members. Do you think the game would benefit from players being able to move items between their different characters?

[south granite]

yes

clans would be amazing

[karmic surge]

i love ur idea

[simple helm]

post portal arrangments in the structured sugjestions, that has some potential

[lusty wren]

THey have already said they want to add "clans" a shared stash though I dislike

[karmic surge]

they already talked about guilds being a system they want to implement in the future

[south granite]

add a harder dungeon or something that you can only do with multiple clan member like maybe 6-9 multiple big bosses and real good loot

that would be so fun

[lusty wren]

THis is unlikely unless solo dungeon goes away

[edgy sierra]

I might suck but the existing bosses seem like that already

[lusty wren]

They specifically stated they dont want to split the playerbase more than 3 times

[simple helm]

If you want these ideas to be archived you need to post em in the 'make suggestions' using it's command system

[edgy sierra]

What makes you think it’s a bad idea?

[lusty wren]

Shared storage

[south granite]

someone could steal everything

[lusty wren]

People will just create solo man clans for unlimited storage

[south granite]

oh this good item? mine no one will know who took it

[edgy sierra]

Does that really impact the game negatively?

[south granite]

i feel like shared storage should only unlock when you have like 3 people in the clan if they do add it

[south granite]

yes youre supposed to not be able to carry much

[simple helm]

Who said clans would have unlimited storage, your making assumptions to shoot down a sugestion, be productive not destructive

[lusty wren]

Storage is finite for a reason. The devs talk in length about storage needing to be filled with choices and decisions that matter. Creating unlimited storage ruins this

[lusty wren]

He said shared storage. I dislike this idea.

[south granite]

maybe make it the size of 2 stashes if it is added

[simple helm]

He did not say, and no one has said unlimited storage

[lusty wren]

Shared stash bucko

i dont like it

get over it

[simple helm]

Give a reason other then a false assumption

[south granite]

ok lord and savior Proxy

[lusty wren]

Because it ruins stash management

its not hard

[edgy sierra]

As much as I like the tough choices, it would really be nice to be able to help my friends and family out with loot that they can use

[lusty wren]

YOu can drop them items at start of raid or trade them items for a measly 15 gold

[simple helm]

This is the prime example of unproductive feedback

[south granite]

Nah with multiple people and it isnt too big it would be balanced i feel people are gonna make huge clans like they do in every single iother game

[lusty wren]

Go listen to the devs talk about storage and then tell me a shared stash aligns with their vision

[edgy sierra]

By that logic what is stopping players from making additional characters to act as mules and stashes already?

[compact vale]

I really wish the marketplace was better and you could just post offers

[lusty wren]

You gonna buy a second account to do this? Cool support the devs

[compact vale]

spamming chat messages hoping someone wants what you're offering is annoying

[edgy sierra]

I think it’s consistent with the way loot game should be

[simple helm]

Let the devs enforce their vision, cause I get the distinct impression your trying to push your vision not someone elses

[south granite]

cus you cant transfer loot t0o other characters unless you go into a ame risking losing all ur stuff you brought which will obv be good since you want to keep it

[lusty wren]

I enjoy their vision.

So would prefer to not suggest they go away from said vision

[compact vale]

what does this mean

[noble glen]

cleric need a nerf man, they are healing themself in sec, debuff enemy , drinking beer, red pot , blue pot , spell shield themself. Thats kinda a bit abused. when you spectate them they have legit 8 buff going on

[south granite]

def not

[lusty wren]

Sounds like you have no clue what the devs vision is for storage 😉

[south granite]

cleric is under powered tbh

[edgy sierra]

If it was effortless to trade, only the best items would have value and be worth trading

[south granite]

i feel like trade channels should be separated where one only has purple and better loot and other are grey to blue

[compact vale]

actually I feel the complete opposite, because it is so hard to sell items that are not the best it is currently only really worthwhile to sell the best items. by making it easier to trade it would actually have the opposite effect

[lusty wren]

I sold a shit falchion with magic interaction speed for 150 gold yesterday 😄

[noble glen]

8 buff underpowered ? btw you can trade loot to your other toon with a friend on trading lol

[south granite]

lol\

[south granite]

yeah but it costs money and you cant trade 2 much at a time

[noble glen]

15 gold bro 😂

[lusty wren]

each time

for each person

[edgy sierra]

In a game with limited stash space, having a quick selling item is valuable in and of itself.

[noble glen]

are people that broke ?

[lusty wren]

Its a cost at least at that point

[south granite]

yeah 30 gold so 60 for a few items + new character has to be leveled and have money

[lusty wren]

Not just free stash because your a clan man

Ur mules cant be mules if you do not play them for gold

[edgy sierra]

You just need to survive one raid don’t you?

[lusty wren]

Ya see how far that gets you in loading an entire mule up 😄

[south granite]

it would prob be like 1k to load a extra character up with loots +it would cots like 60 to trade it back

[lusty wren]

and then also transfering the items back when ur ready to use them

[compact vale]

I don't really understand what you're saying or why you have a problem with making the trade system more user friendly. could you be a little more clear

[lusty wren]

so its actually double

[edgy sierra]

Wdym, you trade the mule extra gold dont you?

[lusty wren]

If you want to go the tedious route and spend shit tons of gold pushing thigns back and forth sure go ahead. Its better than FREE stash because ur clan man

[south granite]

if youre one of the top players and you have a shit ton of gold ig its viable but like it would take so long to do it i dont see the point

[lusty wren]

Still tedious

and not free

[south granite]

yeah thats basically what i said

[compact vale]

I mean its not particularly difficult to transfer a ton of gold over to one character to save storage but I also dont see the downside to having additional storage

[edgy sierra]

You basically would either have a second account to do it yourself or your mate would be your overflow bank

[lusty wren]

Still not free storage like a clan bank is

[compact vale]

what is a clan bank

[edgy sierra]

I don’t know if the clan bank is free

[lusty wren]

Read up to find the suggestion

[south granite]

not a thing scroll up we were talking about clan storage

[cobalt obsidian]

I really cant believe they buffed fighters.

[compact vale]

are they adding clans?

[cobalt obsidian]

Talk about misguided.

[lusty wren]

They said they intend to

[edgy sierra]

I think it would be a huge quality of life increase. It also would have the potential for “abuse” by power players and real money traders

[south granite]

fighters deserved the buff tbh they almost as strong as barbs now

[cobalt obsidian]

they were stronger than barbs before this patch... barbs getting buffed made them stronger.

Now fighters got buffed to equal out the new power curve of the barb? Makes sense.

[south granite]

fighter can beat a solo barb but cant beat a whole team a solo barb can beat the whole team

[edgy sierra]

In path of exile, teams would funnel all the worthwhile loot to a dedicated trader

[south granite]

ofc if played smart

[neat horizon]

@astral flower rogue is one of the best classes

[cobalt obsidian]

Meanwhile archers now have to pump 5 arrows into a fighter to do 3/4ths their hp

[lusty wren]

In path of exile there is next to no meaningful choices made in stash management also

[cobalt obsidian]

unless your hitting all hs of course

[south granite]

its not hard to hit hs

[edgy sierra]

I’m sure that this might happen as well if there’s a free or negligible cost to transfer items between players

[lusty wren]

60 gold per transfer adds up

[south granite]

its a fair trade you sit in the back of the team fighters and barbs stay at front you deal chip damage that shit stacks up

[simple helm]

Then think of ways to make the idea better

[lusty wren]

The idea sucks, so lets jsut scrap it instead

[south granite]

yeah

[cobalt obsidian]

The only thing currently making archers viable is their traps. Thats literally it.,

The one trick clutch traps.

[lusty wren]

Not going to think up a system that is not needed

[cobalt obsidian]

They needed to nerf those a long time ago. Not completely shit on the damage output.

[lusty wren]

Use a longbow hit headshots and you win

[cobalt obsidian]

longbows are just not better than a decent recurve now.

The mobility is too important.

[lusty wren]

Shit my buddy rips people apart with machien gun survival bow

[south granite]

you obv havent played with a good ranger the team works together and if you play smart (like you should) ranger does a shit ton of damage and ends up carrying the fight some times

[lusty wren]

just learn to play the class

[cobalt obsidian]

I play solo 95% of the time.

[south granite]

• he can use a sword

[simple helm]

And that's why you really shouldn't be partispating in discussions sections if your incapable of being constructive in your feedback

[cobalt obsidian]

I am a decent ranger.

[edgy sierra]

I imagine that the top (1%) of power players will use the shared clan storage to funnel loot to dedicated traders to trade full time to keep their clan outfitted in top gear and consumes.

But I think as much use as they get out of it, the vast majority of players would use it just to slide items that are just a bit too good to vendor over to their mate.

[lusty wren]

Not if you cant kill some of the slowest classes in the game as one of the fastest

[cobalt obsidian]

Fighters get a speed buff.

[south granite]

well ofc a class thats meant to be played with someone to tank doesnt do well as a solo

[cobalt obsidian]

They aren't that slow. They are also incredibly tanky.

[south granite]

think please

[lusty wren]

and are wearing full plate the majority of the time. You should be able to outplay them if you are good

[south granite]

youre slower then like every class as a fighter with heavy armor

[cobalt obsidian]

I thought rangers were OP in previous patches.

[south granite]

rangers got nerfed

[cobalt obsidian]

Now everything else is just better. Obviously a rangers traps are still a problem, that sole issue makes rangers a problem still.

[lusty wren]

They also just got a buff

Rangers that is

[cobalt obsidian]

Thats the only thread keeping rangers viable.

[south granite]

how do you play ranger?

[cobalt obsidian]

Move speed + traps.

[south granite]

cus if you think they arent good you arent playing it right

[cobalt obsidian]

Recurve bows.

[lusty wren]

• Increased movement speed when reloading arrows into quivers. Each bow has a different movement speed when reloading.

looks like a buff to me 😄

[south granite]

yep

[cobalt obsidian]

95% of the kills you get on solo ranger is via the use of traps + doorways 😄

if they look down you die

[lusty wren]

LOL!

[south granite]

rangers are meant to be played with a team

[cobalt obsidian]

Jesus.... this is bad.

[south granite]

ofc they arent good solo as ive said multiple times

all classes are meant to be played with a with a team

a good team comp makes every class amazing

fighter and barb are really the only ones good solo and they only get a little more useful without the help of buffs with a team

ranger is kinda useless solo but becomes one of the best classes when with a team

[lusty wren]

Barb supported by wiz and cleric is not "a little more useful"

[south granite]

re read it

i said without buffs

[lusty wren]

Ah ya ok

😄

Barb is one of the worst solo classes IMO

[south granite]

eh

[lusty wren]

In a pvp scenario anyways

they are great for pve

and looting

[south granite]

if youre solo you wanna play pve

[lusty wren]

Not me

[south granite]

no matter what class you are

[lusty wren]

I play solo for pvp

[south granite]

lol

[lusty wren]

on cleric

[south granite]

i dont even pvp much as a duo becuase its a risk that isnt worth it

[lusty wren]

PVP is what is fun about the game imo

I dont care about "worth" i just want fun

[south granite]

i find everything fun about it

i like to keep my stuff

[lusty wren]

I do also

which I do alot

[south granite]

also im not that giood at pv

p

[icy mountain]

how do u play pve wat

[lusty wren]

I only played gobbo dungeon for the first day. I am not a fan. I do my solo's in the regular two dungeons

[south granite]

avoid pvp

[lusty wren]

Rat

[edgy sierra]

@simple helm I think the potential benefit of the clan storage/free trading inside the clan should be offset with some reoccurring cost or some opportunity cost.

For instance, using the clan system (trading or storage) should make an item no longer available to trade with other players (similar to how starting items are prevented from being added to the player stash) unless it was brought into a dungeon after being taken.

Or

Joining a clan could raise your taxes by 25% on the trading channel with players outside of the clan but reduce it to 0 or a small figure for trading within the clan.

[icy mountain]

yeah thats boring idk why anyone would wanna do that

[south granite]

i do gob because in one room theres like always a guaranteed green or blue weapon

• a lot of chest

[lusty wren]

Whats ur survival rate in gobbo dungeon?

[south granite]

uh

okay

[lusty wren]

Bet it goes up by 2x in the regular dungeons

[south granite]

yeah

if im not solo

[lusty wren]

even solo

[south granite]

nah

[simple helm]

Perfeclty reasonable, another implimentation might be an explicity mailbox system amoung clan members

[lusty wren]

You make less noise as a solo ratting is easier in the normal dungeons

[south granite]

i dont like ratting i still like to move around even if i dont take pvp fights as much

[lusty wren]

Sorry Ratting to me is avoiding fights and pvein

which requires moving about

[south granite]

ratting is staying in one spot in most games

[lusty wren]

I disagree but semantics

not in the mood to argue them

[south granite]

i still take fights just not when i see a barb cleric and wizard

[lusty wren]

When I say rat, that is what I mean

[south granite]

which is like every team com[\

idk if ive seen a full team without a barb

other then mine

any ways im gonna go gob cave and mine

so many ores in gob cave

[lusty wren]

Hmm i must have misunderstood it sounded like you said you avoid pvp in gob dungeon to

[simple helm]

Your intent seems to be that basic activity of giving an item to a clan mate, their are ways to promote that without creating the issues all these naysayers are bitching about. Suggestion sections are always full of these toxic types who will intentional assume the worst outcome so they can critisize rather then think of solutions. Do not let them discourage you.

[south granite]

i dont

[neat horizon]

@wary shell amulets drop from death skulls and rings drop from giant dragonflies

[lusty wren]

I dont agree with this guys opinion so he is toxic 😄 Great logic

[south granite]

im going on a mining run

[lusty wren]

Best of luck!

[simple helm]

No your toxic because you do nothing but try to shoot people down

[lusty wren]

I shoot their bad suggestions down agreed

I discuss the suggestions and opine on them

so toxic

Show me on the doll where my opinion hurt you

[indigo bloom]

Can we get more party voice channels plz

[lusty wren]

They tried this last PT with the bot. And the demand crashed the server like 6 times before they took it away.

[spice pawn]

i am boss mang. hear me roar

[simple helm]

Show me where you provide any constructive feedback and I'll change my mind

[lusty wren]

Constructive feedback was saying it was a change that didnt need implemented because there is no problem to fix

[spice pawn]

btw, if there's a spell to dispel the "hide" status, there's probably room in the future for visibility mechanics on the PvE side (mean old Starcraft Dark Templars on special maps)

[lusty wren]

Sorry that hurts your sensibilities

[neat horizon]

which map?

[south granite]

gob cave easy to find ores

[indigo bloom]

Would it be possible for them just add another 50 channel instead of having people make them

[lusty wren]

I dunno, im sure there is a bit of flex room. Just letting ya know why its diminished now

[neat horizon]

yea but enemies are harder and you're solo

[south granite]

its not hard

goblins are the easiest thing to kill other then mummies and zombies

[slow thistle]

Guys; the spell points are BUFFS not nerfs lmao; a majority of these spells now cost LESS points to slot; not more

[strange aurora]

guys this is an actual issue #d-and-d-suggestions message, developers need to open their eyes smh

[lusty wren]

Spell count you mean?

[worldly mica]

I haven’t been on, are u saying they reduced the knowledge cost and not the # of charges?

[tardy zinc]

the reduced both i think

[lusty wren]

• Wizard Light’s Spell Count 8 -> 6

[slow thistle]

Yeah actually double checking its both

[lusty wren]

How does this make sense then?

If they reduced the cost not the spell COUNT

[slow thistle]

both the amount of charges and the amount of points it takes to slot it

[lusty wren]

How would light go from 8-6

When its a 1 cost spell

They lowered charges

[worldly mica]

Kind of pointless this playtest b/c u already started with 20 something knowledge

And no one is running dbl spell talent ever

[lusty wren]

THey reduced charges

Light orb is a 1 cost spell. if it wasnt charges how does making it go from 8 to 6 make sense?

and the verbiage is the same for all of them

[worldly mica]

Idk just asking b/c his statement, maybe they didn’t include that part of the change in the announcement

[lusty wren]

He was wrong

😄

[worldly mica]

The fireball splash hurts my soul, but I don’t think the nerfs are bad 😓

[slow thistle]

Agree with that

fireball splash nerf is kinda dumb

[worldly mica]

One less zap going to be annoying in solo runs

[tardy zinc]

I think the splash nerf is the only thing that made sense

from all the wiz nerfs

[dusty cargo]

because you’re delusional lol

[lusty wren]

Great argument

[tardy zinc]

dude delusional fr?

[dusty cargo]

wizard is the best utility and damage class

[tardy zinc]

As a fighter even though i am / was able to deal with it the splash was annoying as hell

[dusty cargo]

easily most versatile, and only real aoe damage

[tardy flint]

maybe for the discord to have a way to click on a create party channel and it creates a new one

[south granite]

15 seconds is way to long for mining make it 5-10

[dusty cargo]

might be squishy, but also has 5 ms buff charges and 5 of the best invis in the game lol

[worldly mica]

Idk I’m a full geared mage running around in solo, took 4 fireballs and 1 zap to kill a barb with no gear but still jukes well

[dusty cargo]

you outrange the fuck out of him and can 1 shot him with missiles lol

[worldly mica]

I think the changes are pretty fair, just not sure how much that splash dmg tilts the table

Missiles are easier to dodge then u think lol, unless u just go straight in or small path

[slow thistle]

lmao okay but this is a tightly packed corridor dungeon; maybe -maybe- you get a long range shot on the barb; but more than likely he's closing the gap before your cast is even ready to release

[south granite]

You had to miss a fire ball like 2 would kill him

[sudden fractal]

bruh nah selling specifics in trade chat is actually impossible

until we can put up trade posts rather than spam WTS in chat

[south granite]

You’re faster deal with it

[dusty cargo]

then you run away with the highest movespeed, the ability to oneshot doors, and invisibility

[worldly mica]

I don’t think so, maybe 1 didn’t hit well

[south granite]

What does WTS mean

[sudden fractal]

want to sell

[south granite]

Okay

[slow thistle]

lmao

[worldly mica]

Very true, but a starting mage will struggle b/c slow cast speed

[drifting notch]

please revert the fireball nerf atleast bro pls god

[slow thistle]

Clearly you haven't seen barbarians that run when they want to

[dusty cargo]

every class is weak with starting gear, that is kind of the point

[sudden fractal]

ironmace have been pretty frequent on the patches this PT so maybe they will fix some stuff for wiz tmrw

[lusty wren]

For one run, then they can buy items from the merchant that fixes it

[slow thistle]

Yes uber god like players like you two clearly are can do all the fancy shennanigans; skill diff; etc. We're trying to talk about balance in regards to your average player

[dusty cargo]

but if you die with starting gear, then you arent really losing anything

[lusty wren]

Balance is pretty good IMO

[sudden fractal]

but then if u cant survive with starting gear, u wont progress

[lusty wren]

Thousands of us found a way to survive in starting gear

[dusty cargo]

^

[lusty wren]

probably hundreds of thousands

[dusty cargo]

wizard is not even close to the hardest solo class either

[lusty wren]

Wiz is better than barb solo IMO

[sudden fractal]

bro use ur common sense i know they do it was a figure of speech

[lusty wren]

Sorry it was a figure of speech that made little sense

[sudden fractal]

im on the side that wiz got nerfed too hard

[dusty cargo]

if youre having trouble surviving non-high rollers in starting gear, its a skill issue

[slow thistle]

Sure that's why there is daily tweaks and changes; because balance is good lmao 😉

[lusty wren]

I have yet to test wiz since they released this last nerft (was not long ago) so i wont opine on it

[dusty cargo]

not a balance issue

[worldly mica]

Wizard is very good solo, esp with gear

[tardy zinc]

I agree that it got nerfed to hard but i do agree with all the fireball nerfes

[worldly mica]

Goblins melt pretty quick

[dusty cargo]

wizard has the most strengths in the game, he should have a high skill floor

[lusty wren]

Overall I think its very good. The tweaks and changes come from people like you crying

[sudden fractal]

last pt i got pretty far with wiz, was doing good and fun af

only just started playing this pt today and ive played a few wiz runs and died each time lol

[lusty wren]

I think its likely this last nerf to wiz was over the top by looking at it. But until I play it not sure

[sudden fractal]

decided to stick with fighter

[slow thistle]

excuse me? have I cired about anything other than people acting like tactics and situations don't happen? the fuck lmao

[lusty wren]

We can move on

[dusty cargo]

barb is definitely better than he was last pt, but his character design still leaves him very easily kitable

[sudden fractal]

has anything changed with him this pt? or is is the movement speed on heavy weapons buff thats affecting him the most

[lusty wren]

The tried and true method of letting barb swing first still works just fine

[lusty wren]

It was a direct barb buff essentially I feel

Helped fighters a bit

[sudden fractal]

well what could we do to barb to make him more balanced?

any ideas?

[lusty wren]

I think he is balanced

[sudden fractal]

oh fair

[lusty wren]

He is meh solo besides PVE and is a monster when supported

If you buff him further he will be the most OP thing when supported

[south granite]

Doesn’t work to well if you’re also using 2 handed weapons and have full heavy armor buts that’s my fault

[lusty wren]

yes, that would be your choice to run that way

I play full heavy fighter and still turn and run 5 steps and turn back letting the barb swing first. They are very meh solo

[dusty cargo]

I agree, he does the most damage, but has no range (other than franciscas), but has very limited utility and gets kited

[tranquil elm]

Wizard Spells I think i'd prefer a classic mana pool and regen stat of some sort than the current # of each spell... i already thought i was running out of spells too fast on the Wizard before the nerf :\

Maybe a mana pool AND cooldown which requires variety of casts then. Also I think Wizards need a bit better / more consistent way to kill PvE mobs.

[sudden fractal]

yeah tbf few matches ago i was 1v1'ing a barb and i just stood ontop of a coffin and bowed him lmao

he couldnt do anything hahahahaha

[lusty wren]

Lack of PVE options is one of the few weaknesses they have

[sudden fractal]

i rly like the current mana system

its different from other games and works well

[dusty cargo]

One of the things I really love about the game is how every class has really polarizin strengths and weakness, so you have to play each encounter taking those into account

[tranquil elm]

What about increased spell count if you memorize less spells?

[sudden fractal]

very reminiscent of how dungeons n dragons spell system works

[sudden fractal]

oooo, what about a bar that u can set on each spell u equip?

left side is spell capacity right side is spell power

or smthn like that

[gloomy solar]

You could have a total max casts and distribute them to your skills

[sudden fractal]

and the further right u go the more spell power it has but uses up more capacity

[lusty wren]

YES, alot of people want to remove this aspect it seems

[gloomy solar]

Damn i made a typo in my suggestion lol

[sudden fractal]

.edit

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[south granite]

Man I wish my dm didn’t go inactive I miss my character and I can’t find another dm😭

[sudden fractal]

sadge

[tranquil elm]

x apparently you have to wait 6 hours to .edit

[sudden fractal]

aw wtf high roller is 100g now?

smh

[tardy zinc]

Lucky you that you even got to play, i want to play for years now but when i tried to learn it myself i got overwhelmed with stuff and there arent any dms/players ik that are experienced enough and or willing to teach :/

[south granite]

Stfu Dyno

[tardy zinc]

PFF Xd

[shell robin]

They should make a cap on turning speed while swinging a melee weapon

[tardy zinc]

just shoot me a dm if its smth specific about what we are talking about

[south granite]

We need to find a new dm now 😈

New player campaign gonna go crazy!?!?

I don’t have any dms other then the one I played with

[tardy zinc]

idk any DM´s im trying to learn to be one for a group of friends

but as already said

overwhelming

[south granite]

That’s cool

I wish I had friends

🥲

[tardy zinc]

Well, i mean

[slow thistle]

what system are you trying to learn? I could recommend a few systems that might be of similar theme that may be easier to learn or run

[tardy zinc]

uhm....there are multiple systems??? XD damn im so far down the learning curve

[slow thistle]

Dnd 3.5; DnD 4e; Dnd5e; Pathfinder; Call of Cthulu; FATE; just to name a few

[tardy zinc]

i think all the stuff i read was 5e

[weak thistle]

@tired night if u throw a torch on them it causes them to activate, there is a window to jump on them when they reset as there is a slight delay until they will activate again

[tired night]

Every single time I've tried that I still take damage. Either the timing window is too tight or it's not obvious when it even is safe

[slow thistle]

5e is a fairly simple system; my advice is to focus on just learning the basics of the combat/turn system and then learn specific rules as you run. 5e is so... open ended in a lot of things that at the end of the day you're going to be homebrewing most stuff anyways

[tardy zinc]

yea im having the most problems with the combat system tbh like ik how dmg works its just 1d4 meaning number of the dices and what dices you throw, the result added together = dmg output but idk when stuff hits how blocking/dodging/resisting is handled, i just dont get it lol

[lusty laurel]

i know that the ppl downvoting my suggestion are ranger that abuse quickshot 😂

[lusty wren]

Or its just a bad suggestion

but what ever helps you not get triggered by it I guess

[lusty laurel]

so you think that ranger wait the CD while running to instantly reaload full ammo is fine?

im ranger main tho, and i find it really unbalanced

[lusty wren]

Im cleric main

and I find it fine

😄

and apparently so do the other people who downvoted it

But im just a ranger main

😄

Right

[lusty laurel]

no need to be a bully i just think is a bit overpowered cause it can negate the reload and be slow basic mechanic of the game

but maybe im wrong and its completely fine

[livid bobcat]

delete death beetle from the game

[wind heron]

can we please rollback cave troll

[unkempt stone]

Make it so you cant target dead bodies with buffing spells

[lone dune]

you get used to it but it’s still a pain

[visual flint]

surprised people are so 50/50 on my suggestion for pilgrimage perk for cleric, i think its pretty balanced tbh

[sinful fossil]

I cant believe they nerfed wizard AGAIN. so disapointing, the wizard was nerfed enough from last playtest

[strange aurora]

please upvote this #d-and-d-suggestions message, it's really important people!!! WHY ARE YOU SLEEPING ON THIS?? WTH

[lone dune]

nah we need to fix trading

[cobalt obsidian]

Are any of you actually bringing the expensive meds in? its almost 200gold for two stacks of pots + bandages.

[stark anchor]

I only buy the low cost stuff if I'm not playing cleric. As cleric, I might buy a campfire, but that's it

[cobalt obsidian]

Pay a stupid amount for 5 more hp?

It doesnt make sense.

[shrewd lantern]

bro my gear around 8k gold lol and 6k in the bank gold np in the game problem fiend gear

u can spend 2 -3 days only to fiend gear for ur build

and i am solo i am sure ppl in good groups have like millions lol\

[swift sage]

Getting 1 tapped by a goblin playing rogue is so shit

[shrewd lantern]

rogue op

[white cliff]

200 gold is nothing.

[shrewd lantern]

u can solo troll boss as a rogue

[swift sage]

Possible

you still get 1 taped by a goblin

[shrewd lantern]

lol

[swift sage]

and that's shit

[shrewd lantern]

dude u know dat if goblin hits u its a problem with ur skill XD

[swift sage]

Like literally, the poison consume you and let you with 1 hp

[shrewd lantern]

u cant get hit

[white cliff]

1 tap on starter gear.

Just don’t get hit.

[shrewd lantern]

idk i never get hit in pve only in pvp when 2-3 mobs around

[swift sage]

problem is that every mob is 2-3 mob around

• player + zone

its unplayable and sometimes not even enjoyable

idk if its the purpose of this game but damn

They should not do pack of mobs on 1v1 dungeon, like idk, the first 20 lvl you play like a rat camping and waiting to get a stone

its not it

[lusty wren]

I am not the one who was making derogative remarks and assumptions about people who have a differing opinion 😉

[deep jacinth]

idk it's understandable to me when people immediately assume things are too hard

[cobalt obsidian]

Did the death bats get a buff? Feels like they do more damage.

[deep jacinth]

there's reds

it's hard to tell which are red

like how there are red skeletons

[brisk folio]

It’s hard to get hit by a goblin unless you’re super greeding for more hits

[deep jacinth]

it could be which character you are, swapping characters is swapping a health pool

[thorn pewter]

Tradechannel splitted is so lame.... so much effort to trade all different stuff instead of clipping it once togetehr you have to go 5 different channels. Filter function is all you need so ppl will already find only what they are looking for. There is no gain for the seller only headache and loss of time and nerves. Buyer has no gain either so its just a loss -loss IMO

[deep jacinth]

honestly that's logical esp with the filters

imagine you get an item good for multiple classes too? you just have to pick one channel haha

people are sleeping on quartstaves

[brisk folio]

Depending on how an item is started is what determines what channel you should take it to

[cobalt obsidian]

i just watched this wizard get the death bat spawn in hell in HR. He got absolutely annihilated.

[lusty wren]

He shoulda just left the room then 😄

Ive yet to spawn somewhere I cant just walk away from

and ive spawned in that room multiple times

[swift sage]

Not that is hard but, some changes need to be applied like the danger zone going too fast, not enough space where to move, there is always pack of mobs, especially in 1v1 dungeon its a clown fiesta sometimes

You can hit and run, but not infinitely o_o

[ashen stag]

how do i post a suggestion ?

[lusty wren]

#1048762118255673428

[cobalt obsidian]

Has anyone seen a bow on the candy merchant?

Im waiting to spend this candy on something but theres never anything in there worth a damn for a ranger.

[lusty wren]

Id rather see some higher tier throwables have like a replenishment rate on them to help with easier balancing

[lusty laurel]

id rather have a weapon type trade chat "melee weapon, ranged weapon, armor, accessories" is not optimal to join a fighter trade channel as ranger to buy a spear

took me a while to figure it out XD

[edgy kraken]

Anyone getting game crash after getting damaged by player?

[thorn pewter]

just no split channels and go

filter is good already is all we need

[stray comet]

Throwing everything would def bring in some balancing questions. I'd just prefer to have reusable throwing weapons as they are now

[lusty laurel]

maybe technical limit? create a channel with 100k slot isnt that easy

[stray comet]

plus, it'd be simpler to implement

[crystal cairn]

what are those SOLO Dungeons Extraction please ?
thats Terrible.

[plush grove]

I wanted to suggest bigger gold bags since it takes so much space but I failed and timeout for 6 hrs if anyone feel like suggesting it for me

[scenic kettle]

anyone else agree goblin merchant or even any other trade should atleast sell 1 pick lock per refresh

or possibly even more

[plush grove]

100% agree

[stray comet]

goblin merchant would fit

[lusty wren]

Picklocks have static spawns learn them and you will be overflowing with them. Vendor having them is not needed

[stray comet]

didn't know they were guaranteed, noted and thanks

[scenic kettle]

thats not true

[lusty wren]

Yes it is

[scenic kettle]

its not guaranteed

[lusty wren]

😄

There are static spawns

YOu just clearly do not know them

[scenic kettle]

they can spawn in static look locations

yeah thats what im saying

is

it isnt guranteed

its static loo

loot

there is a chance

[lusty wren]

Im not going to argue such a easy thing. They are static and guranteed. I find them every raid when I look for them

[scenic kettle]

its on shelves

[lusty wren]

You could to if you paid attention

[scenic kettle]

its not guranteed what are u talking about, you dont find lock picks in the same place every run

i found 1 at the libary and 2 in the jail cells

and they werent there next run

[lusty wren]

Yes there are multiple static spawns that are guaranteed You lack game knowledge.

[scenic kettle]

i think ur just in denial

LOL

[plush grove]

I think Proxy is right but I havent checked oon this playtest

[lusty wren]

I am. 😄

[scenic kettle]

idk possibly but in my expeirence lock picks arent in the same spots

[lusty wren]

And I have no need to be in denial I have like 50 in my stash

[scenic kettle]

unless they rotate

[lusty wren]

Because I know the spawns

[plush grove]

they are check the maps online they show the locations

[lusty wren]

This is hilarious

So you dont even need to know them Shadi

Just put a map on ur second monitor (or alt tab I guess)

Problem solved

[plush grove]

Still think would be nice to have a merchant sell some

[scenic kettle]

oh yeah ur right

my fault

there are the same spots

i guess they change based of the map

though

but regardless

still wouldnt be bad for a merchant

to sell one

[lusty wren]

Well ya, different map would naturally have differnt spots

[plush grove]

A lot of people have asked for it

[scenic kettle]

i mean different crypt layout

[lusty wren]

Alot of people also ask for a pve only mode 😄

[scenic kettle]

but like same room different crypt layout

well a pve only mode is very different

from a seller selling one lockpick per refresh

im not asking for a whole different mode

[lusty wren]

THe point is people ask for shit that is meaningless all the time or not needed

[scenic kettle]

i mean it isnt meaningless

its just a nice touch

[lusty wren]

Its def not needed

[scenic kettle]

something small

[lusty wren]

when there is a very easy way to get them

Good gear requires you to do the work

[scenic kettle]

ah yes

the 2 whites from lion chests

happened to me earlier

LOL

[lusty wren]

So just discount the stash full of purples I got 😄 OK

[scenic kettle]

also pve

mode is dumb

the game would just be boring

[lusty wren]

This we can agree on

[vivid rose]

We get it, you have better luck then we do. I've only pulled like 3 purples

[lusty wren]

Dont get me wrong its not a hill id die on. I just dont seem to have issues finding them

[lusty wren]

Well its not luck when finding them are static... its about knowing where they are and going to get them

[scenic kettle]

well yeah i dont doubt if u know the spawns

its not hard

but a pve mode is something else

goblin is almost a pve mode

considering everyone teams

when they meet up

well majority

[lusty wren]

Ya, It was a bad example to make a point of people asking for things that are of little value. (I consider it little value because there are a plethora of them in the raids and they are always there)

[vivid rose]

Wait, static purples?!?

[lusty wren]

The conversation is about Lock Picks. Maybe read the entirety of the convo before hopping in 😉

[vivid rose]

My comment was about how bad the rng of purples can be

[lusty wren]

Again read the convo before diving in would be my suggestion

[scenic kettle]

static purples can happen

very rare though

[lusty wren]

But either way. I just find it not needed not gonna die on the hill to gate keep it though

[vivid rose]

Right, I get that lockpicks have static spawns, but I chimed in intentionally when the Convo shifted to how bad the loot rate in locked chests is

[lusty wren]

Same suggestion lets move on

[fossil parcel]

why are they nerfing the wizzards spells?!?

I am lost I have been playing wiz for 3 days already and I cannot understand this

[lusty wren]

They must of thought they could whiff to many spells and still win fights... .Now they actually have to aim and cast when appropriate instead of holding people off for 10 minutes with a million spells

[fossil parcel]

lol you right with all that rubber banding they should hit something

[lusty wren]

Holding a fireball ready to cast holds a team of 3 off for ever atm

What rubber banding?

Ive never had rubber banding issues so cant opine on it

But being able to wiff 5 spells in a row and still win a fight is egregious

[rancid pebble]

rubber banding is new to this pt, its randomly

[lusty wren]

Ya i have not had htis issue in my ridiculous amount of hours thus far

so wont opine on it

BUT performance issues is no reason to not balance a class

They are separate issues

[brisk folio]

4 casts of haste and invis is still a lot

[lusty wren]

4 chains can wipe two teams also

[brisk folio]

Yeah 3 is still a ton too

When I hear chain I run lol

[lusty wren]

3 can almost wipe two teams

then they have a fireball to finish it

or zap

If wiz hits its shots its still VERY VERY strong

This reduces brain dead wizards is all

Now they cant whiff all of their spells and get lucky on one

Good change IMO

[lapis field]

Ranger not getting 3 traps back after winnings kinda sucks

[brisk folio]

Well if you wanna bring it up they shouldn’t even start with 3 imo

[lusty wren]

You know you can buy them right?

They are dirt cheap

[brisk folio]

Should only stack to 2

And spawn with 1

[umbral elm]

Poison ticks way too fast, this goblin bullshit is ridiculous

[lusty wren]

Then play the non experimental dungeons

You did notice the large red tag "experimental" right?

[umbral elm]

No im gonna keep playing it I just came to say the poison is too strong

So I can contribute to that EXPERIMENTAL tag I didnt miss

[lusty wren]

Id suggest putting it in the suggestions if you want to "contribute"

[umbral elm]

What if I did

[lusty wren]

Then id downvote it and move on instead of replyin to you

😉

[umbral elm]

Why are you here if you dont want to discuss your opinion was as valuable as a thumb

[lusty wren]

I want to discuss suggestions as the title suggests

[simple helm]

He seems to be the resident suggestion troll, seems to think the suggestion section is a Dungeon environment in which other peoples suggestions are the mobs that need to be killed, have not heard him give one bit of productive feedback

[fossil parcel]

I was a little worried I was talking to someone like that, honestly should just make their own game and gatekeep it XD

[umbral elm]

Say anything constructive

If they cant im just gonna block lol

[lusty wren]

Yes if differing opinions are painful to you best to block me

[umbral elm]

You havent said any opinion that contributes to a topic youre just being aggressive

[lusty wren]

You have failed to back read then which is a you problem

[simple helm]

Or you know use the up/down votes on suggestions, thats what what it's for for people who only want to express unconstructive disagreement you know

I'm wonding if anyone has ideas for how to make dungeons less predictable? I notice that once you have learned the layout of the building block room segments, and particularly where monsters and traps are the game loses a lots of it's danger and mystery element

I think just varrying the monster spawn locations and quantities in each room could do a LOT

[umbral elm]

You said "Dont play that mode" "I would downvote you" and "I want to discuss" what I was looking for was anything insightful instead of dismissive?

[lusty wren]

I'd enjoy some mob mixture but like some map knowledge mattering. Finding the guanteed static lock picks for example

[lusty wren]

And? Let's move on

Some torches starting off too would be nice

[fossil parcel]

I feel that but I think that if they used the barrel skeleton in more rooms that it could make it more of a random encounter, like with tarkov they could have loot pools that would have a chance of spawning either some items, you'd think you would see a weapon rack with leftover items in a dungeon

[simple helm]

yea but would it work to truly make them fully random? Like would monsters be stuck in weird places? I do like random open doors though, that seems simple to implement and has high payoff

[lusty wren]

This one's very interesting

[fossil parcel]

haha a spike trap that keeps going off without a timer

[simple helm]

trap placements being more random would be good too, but that's trickier to do then mob placement cause they really are part of the map structure

[fossil parcel]

yeah like the mummy room might have some diamonds or sapphires that would randomly spawn depending on the seed

[simple helm]

Maybe design each room with many many possible trap spots and only spawn a fraction of them, so traps could potentially be almost anywhere

[past zephyr]

how does random trap spawns make the game remotely more enjoyable to play

[simple helm]

Cause the traps are actually a threat the same way they were the first time you played and not something you just know how to avoid as soon as you enter a room you know

[brisk folio]

Part of the fun of the game is knowing the spots

It’s a little reward for having played

[simple helm]

No that's just loss of replayability caused by technical limitations of the game map generation

[compact bison]

In Customize it is spelled "Campire Action" and should be "Campfire Action"

[open quarry]

I feel like the ranger trap perk should allow you to pick up the trap not destroy it…

[lapis field]

taht sounds nice

[vale cobalt]

Can spellbooks have modifier that gives additional spell counts for spells?

[stoic apex]

Can the Cave Troll's health pool be nerfed again? Right now it's impossible to get him down in time to loot and get out, especially if the circle doesn't end with the boss room in it.

[lusty wren]

Map knowledge is a thing many people enjoy

[stray comet]

I'm jealous 😢
I only have like 28 hours in the game, but I consistently had some atrocious rubberbanding that whole time

[lusty wren]

Ya that is rough. I luckily have not. But I also have a 1 gig ethernet connection

May play a factor

How does it hurt new people? they gotta learn the maps just as I did

Or they can simply put it up on another monitor

Dont get me wrong Im ok with some variation. I just fail to see how it hurts noobs

Learning games is just part of playing them

[raw summit]

Resourcefulness and interaction speed HAS to go, trying to loot and move around the map on any character other than Ranger shouldn't be such a chore.

Resourcefulness is fine if it applies to consumables, but interaction speed with doors, chests, ores and everything else should be a flat value for all classes

It adds nothing to gameplay except it's annoying, and no matter what people aren't going to stack the resourcefulness stat just to open doors faster, and I shouldn't have to focus a whole character build just to remove an annoying feature

[lusty wren]

They will have to learn just as I did

They are not at any disadvantage

They even can put the map up while playing to help them learn it

[open quarry]

portals having a constant interaction speed with all classes would be ok idk bout everything though

[lusty wren]

I started second playtest was thousands of people who knew the map better than I

I was not at an disadvantage as I learned it

The PVE mechanics also take learning

Are noobs going to just get a "ignore pve" button?

[rough sierra]

The barrier for entry going up isn't really an issue

[lusty wren]

How is their barrier higher than mine? We each didnt know the map. We each played against people who did

and as metas go you can be filled in with a simple google search 😄

Just like you can pull up a map on your second monitor or print it off

and map knowledge and metas are different thigns

YOu are changing the goal post

How? there is literally a map

[lyric spire]

Every new release game has a pool of players who joined alpha/beta/pre-release and have a knowledge & familiarity advantage over newcomers. You're asking for a tutorial OR a starter map exclusively for noobs. A ranked system wouldn't be a horrible idea but not necessary

[lusty wren]

that is a 1:1 recreation

[stoic kernel]

I assume the full game will have a match making of some sort

[lusty wren]

How is that sifting through bs?

[open quarry]

New players are just that: new, inexperienced it’d be impossible to balance out a learning curve every game has one…

[lusty wren]

It already does

You said map knowledge creates a barrier to entry

now you are wanting to goal post shift to metas

[rough sierra]

Coming from Escape from Tarkov, the lack of handholding and the massive skill/knowledge curve creates a much more satisfying experience

[lyric spire]

^

[lusty wren]

I 100% agree

I started tarkov late also

😄

[stoic kernel]

I have found it easy enough to pick up some basic while watching peopel in spectator and streaming

[lyric spire]

Escape from Darkov

[lusty wren]

We are talking about DaD

[rough sierra]

Barriers to entry arent bad at all

You absolutely should be rewarded for recognizing good rooms or rooms that play well into your team comp

[lusty wren]

Map Knowledge in DaD can be solved by looking at a map that shows literally everything on it from spawns to traps

[lyric spire]

Lol this is a dead issue

[rough sierra]

Lets talk about the thing that REALLY needs to be worked on:

Cobalt/Ruby gear

[lyric spire]

"What about the noobs?! What will they do?!" "If they die they die" xD

[lusty wren]

Everyone was a noob at one time. EVERYONE had to learn it at one time

I(ts the same thing

[wanton dagger]

Mining 4 ore at the price of not engaging with the dungeon... is really fun....

[lusty wren]

How is it different?

There were already thousands who knew hte map better than I

[rough sierra]

its going to be WAY WAY WAY harder for noobs after launch

[lusty wren]

How?

Explain

I was already playing vs people who knew the game very well with hundreds of hours

How is it different?

Already was

LOL

Over 30k

concurrent

😄

[rough sierra]

Gear disparity will be much much higher

[lusty wren]

We are talking about map knowledge bucko

Not gear

[rough sierra]

Oh Im past that

[lusty wren]

well then exit the convo

You cant be actively discussing something and then say Im past that even though I responded to you on that convo

😄

[rough sierra]

bruh im at work lmao

[lusty wren]

well work then

earn ur keep

[lyric spire]

The convo is dead

[rough sierra]

salaried 😎

[lusty wren]

That does not change the point earn your keep 😉

[lyric spire]

get paid to drink coffee!!!

[lusty wren]

But ya convo is dead because they cant back up there claims so ill move on

[rough sierra]

I can understand their point of view, most games dont have such a massive knowledge curve and it could potentially discourage noobs
EFT and EvE come to mind, but the knowledge curve is what makes those games so rewarding to play

[lusty wren]

Maybe, he stated though that it gets worse with time. That was what I was refuting.

I asked multiple times and you retorted with nonsense that was goal post shifting talking about META gear and shit 😄

Ya 30k concurrent users on the PT test before me

So id say THOUSANDS knew the map better

[rough sierra]

Well, over time people wont just recognize good rooms

I'd imagine that sweats will be able to spawn in and immediately know what their entire route will be

But this is a the reward for being a sweat, which is good

[lusty wren]

I said 30k concurrent players not hours

read better

[supple plinth]

I'm guessing they will add some kind of matchmaking surely? For now it doesn't matter, but when skill trees get added and stuff matching a level1 with level20 would be a big disadvantage?

[lusty wren]

What else does over 30k concurrent mean?

[lusty wren]

Its already there

Nope re read

before you responded

I said

30k

concurrent

[rough sierra]

I really hope not

[supple plinth]

oh, i remember playing against some level20s as like level5

[lusty wren]

Im moving on daydreamer thanks for the convo thoug

[winter terrace]

There needs to be a way to expand your inventory size beyond the base size

[lusty wren]

Before your response literally .5 seconds after

I tend to type

like this

😄

[rough sierra]

It looks like we will get bags eventually, from the way that the inventory UI looks

[lusty wren]

Why?

when it pertains to map knowledge

They can gain the same info in 5 minutes on google looking at a map

Dont need to memorize it if your looking at it actively while learning

LOL

Ok we agree to disagree

You can still hear

while you glance away

but ya lets move on

this is going no where

I am curious though

If this is such an issue. Should we not reduce the barrier to entry on PVE? Lots of noobs seem to struggle with it

[supple plinth]

Well have you read the book they provide in game

what we're playing is medium difficulty dungeons

[rocky oasis]

I wanna see this in dark and darker if you get head shotted by a blunt type weapon and die https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMNqYuw2Z9k&ab_channel=FYGFusRoDah

[supple plinth]

there will be easy ones

[lusty wren]

Do you know why they do it this way?

The maps are already in modules. There is a reason they dont randomly generate it from there.

They were very honest about it

How does that change anything?

They still have all maps memorized to the T

How doe sit change if there are more of them? from a barrier of entry stand point?

if you know the individual modules you are fine. The map knowledge is still there

Its not 3 maps

its 1 map with modules placed differently

If you know the modules you know the map

Especially if they are fixed

You are implementing an entirely new system to fix a problem that doesnt exist

and it doesnt even fix it

Kinda crazy tbh

[white cliff]

Just read through, I’m mind boggled lol.

[elfin epoch]

Let's take the goblin poison damage values and give them to rogue's poison blade skill!

[white cliff]

@odd reef Rogue main Rogue main Rogue main.

[elfin epoch]

Why should the crappy little goblins have a stronger poo sword than the human adventurer? Not very immersive.

[umbral elm]

Rogues should get to use a survival bow, its utterly useless to ranger/fighter

[white cliff]

Goblins are immersive?

[lusty wren]

Gobbos dont pull you out of immersion but them having poison attacks does? Odd

[elfin epoch]

Game's sacrificing a lot of comforts for immersion, so the devs value it

[lusty wren]

Youve not seen enough rangers doing machine gun build then 😄

[elfin epoch]

them all having a stronger poison attack than the rogue,

[lusty wren]

POison breaks immersion but gobbos dont just makes 0 sense

[elfin epoch]

Is this deflection or did you really not understand

[shut lagoon]

Goblins using poison weapons is Fantasy 101

[elfin epoch]

maybe my inflection is on 'stronger' and not 'having'

[rough sierra]

I get what you mean, but if you take the Dungeons and Dragons approach to immersion it could be something like:

The goblins get their poison from the flying bugs, the bugs are chill with them so they can get better poison than a rogue who has to buy/steal their poison. idk

Just add on a layer, make it headcannon and keep smashing goblins

But ladies and gentlemen, the real thing that needs to be talked about is HOW TRASH COBALT AND RUBY ARE

[elfin epoch]

My initial point is that if the rogue's ability dealt the same damage as goblins do with their swords and arrows people would scream themselves to death in the discord

[rough sierra]

Shit, if people did as much damage as most of the enemies in the dungeon we'd be screaming

Red longsword bonies are nuts

[elfin epoch]

do they out-damage a barb

and bypass armour?

[wanton dagger]

Have you seen a black skele?

90% of my hp gone in one hit

[rough sierra]

hold up, there are ones worse than red?

[wanton dagger]

yes

[lusty wren]

Like the actual gear you make? Or gathering it?

[wanton dagger]

they do 3-hit combos and 1 hit domes you for 90% of your face

[lusty wren]

The black ones are horrible! Make me want to not come and play 😄

... that sounded bad

[wanton dagger]

based, even

I saw my first black skele on a regular dungeon downportal

today

it was a surprise

[lusty wren]

One killed my rogue friend yesterday with a one tap

[wanton dagger]

the moment I realised he wasn't red I was already dead

[rough sierra]

I think that the amount of effort needed to get the materials is just too high compared to the payoff. you can get 4 ingots TOPS (in my experience) and that is if you even find any ore to mine.

[wanton dagger]

Mining sucks balls, everyone already knows it.

[lusty wren]

Ya, it does get better when you learn where they all are, but I do agree its a bit much atm. I think one interaction per node would be much better

[rough sierra]

I've learned where they are, but I swear that they could reduce the crafting cost by half

[lusty wren]

I sell ore I get because its so much more profitable

[lusty wren]

Funny enough they literally just did

Imagine

LOL

[rough sierra]

Wait no way really?

[lusty wren]

Yup

[rough sierra]

The ore cost or the ingot cost?

[lusty wren]

they cut it in half from last PT

[rough sierra]

Oh, that I knew

I thought you meant they did it again

[lusty wren]

Oh no! LOL

I think it coudl be slashed again

but not sure about half

[rough sierra]

It could be reduced for sure

[wanton dagger]

That would create an overabundance of ore on the map

better just make it one interaction

[lusty wren]

THis would be my fix for sure

[rough sierra]

Somehow Im not understanding what youre saying

[wanton dagger]

It means that mining nodes will not be a point of interest

They really should be

[rough sierra]

Im confident that the dev team will dial it in, but the current system seems to have too much effort for too little payoff

I'd rather take the money/time I'd spend on pickaxes and just run Highroller

Better chance to get decent blues/purples/money

[wanton dagger]

Yeah, as of now not only you need 2 or 3 nodes to keep you busy, you also don't get any sensible reward from it.

[rough sierra]

I had a thought about using the bars to upgrade existing pieces

go from
green->blue for 6 bars
blue->purple for 8 bars

Still makes purples cost ~14 bars if youre starting with a green item but allows people to upgrade well rolled blues

That and make getting ore/ingots a little less of a pain in the ass would make cobalt/ruby much more worth it

[granite plinth]

yeah gg i cant find that gates for nothing

[white cliff]

They make a pretty loud sound when they spawn.

[wanton dagger]

It's to the east of the ficked up room in the middle

if you mean the gobs

[white cliff]

The gate in solo or the portals?

[granite plinth]

also attacks seems to be going through shield

[lusty wren]

Just gotta aim it better its very precise

[rough sierra]

The hitboxes are very unforgiving

[lusty wren]

If any part of the weapon collides with ur hitbox you get hit. So you just have to really point the shield straight at the weapon arc

[rough sierra]

The way that the "sweet spot" of weapons is implemented is really satisfying and I like the skill expression it adds

[lusty wren]

agreed

[jovial swan]

Alright, new suggestion from me to you guys.

This time it's a buff to action speeds.

[small gull]

just got killed by a skeleton hitting me through a closed door, guessing that's a known bug? lol

[lusty wren]

Guessed right

[jovial swan]

Action speed buffs:
-Unlocking, opening and activating now takes 25% less time.
-Mining now takes 33% less time.

[small gull]

figured it wasn't just me

[jovial swan]

The reason I suggest this is because I feel like players should get back to the game as fast as possible.

[lusty wren]

Looting is a big part of the game

so is slow and methodical game play

[rough sierra]

just remove doors and chests at that point then

[jovial swan]

Looting and combat are the most fun parts of the game, and to sit there having to take several seconds to unlock or mine is silly.

[lusty wren]

bad take sorry, but the slowness of the game is very intentional

[rough sierra]

That interaction time is something that needs to be properly planned and accounted for though

The fact that a rouge can just run away from a cleric in a 1v1 is an essential aspect of the game

[jovial swan]

Alright, then how about 10% or 15%?

[lusty wren]

Mining should just take one interaction per node and that is enough IMO

[rough sierra]

I hate to say it, but the interact speed is pretty balanced IMO

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[jovial swan]

Fine, how about just the mining and chest opening interaction speed?

[lusty wren]

Just mining id be ok with 😄

[jovial swan]

Alright, how do I edit the suggestion?

[rough sierra]

mining yes, because the reward for it is lackluster

But for chest opening its part of the balance of the classes

[granite plinth]

anyone germ here and can me help?

[lusty wren]

.edit (Suggestion ID) I believe

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[rough sierra]

Barbs can smash them, rouges/rangers open them crazy fast, and clerics take the longest because if they didnt they'd be broken OP

[twin crag]

I believe increasing the Wizards physical damage by around 10% could help him with some survival in solos while not being too overbearing in a 3 man group.

[jovial swan]

Let's see if I get this right.

.edit 1592779 [Universal Buff: Action speeds in mining ore are increased by 33%. There is no reason for the action to take this long for so little reward, and would speed up gameplay to get people back to the essentials.]

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[rough sierra]

They could make it one of their perks that way it doesnt get applied to every wizard and could be something wizards would take if solo

[jovial swan]

I really wish we had a suggestion edit channel that allowed us to actually edit our suggestions.

[rough sierra]

we do, its #1048762118255673428

[twin crag]

I like that idea too, actually. Could call it "Sword Training" or something.

[jovial swan]

We have to wait 6 hours to edit the damn things.

Who do I tag to get a channel for feedback editing?

[lusty wren]

That would be a warden

Ive been told they will edit it for you but dont quote me on that

[jovial swan]

Alright, my suggestion has been edited to be only 33% mining speed increase.

Since you guys wouldn't like the other action speeds being increased.

I feel the mining speed increase would do wonders for the game since ores are already hard to find and have lesser value at the moment, so mining should not be as tedious once you get to them.

I think I can play off my old action speed suggestion though. I think there's something that could work for it...

[elfin epoch]

at least make powder 1:1

[jovial swan]

Maybe if I suggest buffing action speeds again, it's not to buff it, but implement an item for it.

Just a preliminary run before I suggest it in the future...

[New Item - Iron Keys]
A small, iron key used to more effectively open locked objects.

The Iron Key has a maximum capacity of 1 item.
The Iron Key has a grid size of 1x2.

[Attributes]
Increases action speeds of unlocking chests and opening doors by 25%.
Applies a Skill Check while opening either object.

Successful Skill Checks will keep the Key intact after usage.
Failed Skill Checks will break the Key, but continue the opening interaction.

[flint kestrel]

It is impossible to play the goblin dungeon, they are a lot!!

[white cliff]

That’s because in between tests people where using it to troll so it was harder to moderate, and it’s still necessary because of the volume of people.

[lusty wren]

THis is already a stat

[jovial swan]

But an item for it would be more interesting.

[lusty wren]

Sorry by stat I mean its a stat that is on items

[buoyant knoll]

maybe mining can stay like it is so it's still pretty dangerous but reduce amount of ore needed for processing?