#suggestion-discussion

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white cliff
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Literally the exact opposite.

jaunty scaffold
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He's entitled to his opinion. I am entitled to mine. No need for ad-hominem attacks

lusty wren
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Who is "attacking"?

white cliff
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I’m entitled to my own opinions on boomers as well.

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Though calling someone a certain age isn’t really an attack.

granite plinth
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jkidd, I believe I can guess your IQ from your comment

lusty wren
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Ya assuming an age is far from an attack imo

granite plinth
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<80

lusty wren
lusty wren
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Nat 20

granite plinth
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jkidd probably has ADHD and the attention span of a gnat, understandable that he cant handle slow paced games that require thought, rather than reaction time

white cliff
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Guilty as charged, I don’t have arthritic hands and poor eye sight yet.

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I understand why you need every game to play slowly though.

jaunty scaffold
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I mean, Souls games are relatively quick but also methodical.

white cliff
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Don’t get me wrong.

lusty wren
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I dunno souls PVP is just a spam fest from my experience

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Though I was not a big "souls pvp" fan in general

last cloud
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Bro the wizard is so bad. Like a someone either has enough time to side step my fire ball or i get hit by it with him. And the NPC combat is atrocious. They soak up all of my spells so by the time i meet a player i got nothing, not that it matters bc of how clunky the spells feel and how long it takes to cast them. I feel like most ppl might not agree with me but I hold my opinion.

granite plinth
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but good try, kid

lusty wren
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Most people do not agree with you because team wipes by a solo wizard are common occurrence 😄

last cloud
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Also how come the goblins have poisoned weapons and spawn in mass like bro solo is harder than by yourself

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Bro maybe i just need to level up

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I suck so bad

jaunty scaffold
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I think the nature of the combat changes in first person. You could strike a good balance between speed and methodical gameplay.

lusty wren
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Wiz has a higher skill ceiling than the other classes

lusty wren
jaunty scaffold
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Also, everyone I know that plays Quake is over 40 and that's the fastest damn FPS on the market

granite plinth
white cliff
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Jesus grandpa type faster.

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The reason why you’re offended is because I’m right, you’re what 37-40?

lusty wren
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and no where near a "boomer"

last cloud
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Bro no one gives a fuck. Bring ur shit some where else

granite plinth
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lol, 90 words a minute, at least, its called working a job while I educate you

last cloud
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Like seriously why and how is this the place to argue

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About how old someone is

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Seriously

lusty wren
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I mean an argument is a form of discussion 😄

granite plinth
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its all he's got to worry about, living in his moms basement, or some shitty 1 bedroom apartment he can barely afford

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what a life

jaunty scaffold
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It's certainly something

stoic kernel
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I just blocked both of them, made it better

white cliff
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I make six figures, thanks though lmao.

granite plinth
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sure you do, lol

lusty wren
granite plinth
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and even if you do, 6 figures is the new 50k a year

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/golfclap

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I make 6 figures a year while doing 4 hours of real work a week

stoic kernel
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Proxy what are your biggest asks for in the game?

granite plinth
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get on my level kid. I have forgotten more about being good at life than youll ever know

white cliff
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Don’t care, didn’t ask.

lusty wren
granite plinth
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go jerk of to hentai or something

jaunty scaffold
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hey now

stoic kernel
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what is B1

last cloud
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Jkidd u r literally pathetic and this is the last thing im saying bc i ACTUALLY dont care. But bro literally u r just a sad human being.

white cliff
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It’s always boomers that bring up salary in arguments about games.

granite plinth
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closest thing to real pussy youll ever see lol

jaunty scaffold
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new BotW trailer looks lit btw

white cliff
lusty wren
stoic kernel
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Is B1 easier then?

lusty wren
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but we shall see

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Goblins fit a forest decently well so maybe we will see them there

stoic kernel
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what changes to game play would you like to see?

granite plinth
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stam bar

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no bunny hopping

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age limit

lusty wren
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Cant think of many "changes" to gameplay id want

white cliff
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Guns, a battlepass, stamina system, and 25 queues, I want it to be exactly like my favorite dead game; that’s why I play it.

lusty wren
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I thoroughly enjoy the gameplay atm

stoic kernel
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I think having a sparring area to test out weapons and stuff is a must

white cliff
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Or no wait, I play it because it’s not like any other game.

lusty wren
stoic kernel
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I assume things like a friends list are going to be added

jaunty scaffold
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I'm just a humble UX researcher/designer, but I I feel that the hop spamming could be reduced through a general speed increase and a parry mechanic. The asks are the same, the opinions about implementation are different

lusty wren
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My guess is they will integrate it to easier use steam

stoic kernel
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yeah I dont always want peopel on my Steam list

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and because its by character

last cloud
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I like the goblins but I feel theres not enough room to actually fight them 1v1 besides its not a real 1v1 bc they all team up on you and you die within 4 hits due to poison

stoic kernel
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but I hope you are right

lusty wren
white cliff
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The trader sorting was a good step certainly.

rotund canopy
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Why am I spawning in a dead end, surrounded by 6 enemy mobs at the start of a match that all aggro on a single step?

white cliff
rotund canopy
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yep

stoic kernel
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Because some spawn points are not good currently

white cliff
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I’d say, it’s a mode that was developed quickly and it’s currently being tested. Spawns can definitely be worked on, however that’s if data shows a solo mode is warranted.

jaunty scaffold
stoic kernel
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I think the whole trade system needs a overhaul. Chat spam is not a good method

next ridge
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Not to mention the cavetroll fight feels pretty awful

rotund canopy
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Solo mode has a lot of issues, and it's not just spawns

stoic kernel
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Yeah the whole selling to different people is not needed

white cliff
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I’d still need to sort that.

stoic kernel
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just have a single sell point for items

white cliff
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Oh I mean consolidate the treasurer and collector.

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That’s the only selling I really do.

jaunty scaffold
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My UX background is mostly in experiential design though. Instillations, brand activations, things like that

white cliff
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Unless it trashing extra gear.

rotund canopy
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It shouldn't be harder to fight 2 goblins than a single cave troll

white cliff
jaunty scaffold
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Strafe around from the right and jump.

sweet forum
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The goblin spawns need to be nerfed or the spawn points need to be reworked on solo. Im spawning in on five goblins with no room to move a lot of times

white cliff
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Zoomer brain is argumentative though.

rotund canopy
white cliff
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Also, brining in gear and rolling a lobby

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Is also an issue.

rotund canopy
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There's an insane amount of enemies to deal with in this mode, that you can't really do much

lusty wren
white cliff
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Oh I have no clue.

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Solo versus team stash?

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Locked per mode?

lusty wren
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Ya that defeats what they said the purpose of the mode was though

white cliff
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What did they say the purpose was.

lusty wren
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"if your friends are busy we want you to have a way to progress your character"

white cliff
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Ah.

lusty wren
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and seeing how after 15 char progression is gear

jaunty scaffold
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Insurance like in Tarkov or reroll marks like in Hunt

white cliff
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Weird, considering the majority of complaints where from people who want a solo experience.

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They either don’t want to, or don’t have people to play with.

granite plinth
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I think everybody needs to chill out on the whole balancing idea. They’re testing core mechanics right now. Tuning adjustments come much later in the development cycle.

lusty wren
jaunty scaffold
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There are machanics for recovering gear in other games, but you have to earn them

sweet forum
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The dungeon its self is fine but i would really like to solo on the castle map and if it's too large for solo at least a scaled down version would be cool

lusty wren
stoic kernel
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I am sure it could be easy enough to block certain sections of the map and shrink it down

jaunty scaffold
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Hmmm, what about DnD's system? You get currency at start and just buy stuff to spec the character. Requires massive economy tweaking though

stoic kernel
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that takes too much time

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unless you could save load outs?

jaunty scaffold
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and there could be even more balance issues from it

white cliff
jaunty scaffold
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Hunt has that system

white cliff
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Very interesting, I like hunt a lot.

jaunty scaffold
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But it also has several forms of currency that are earned in different ways

lusty wren
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Ya hunt is very different economically though

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no loot

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for one

white cliff
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Loot is currency I suppose.

lusty wren
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No very different

jaunty scaffold
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No loot, but I did steal a pretty dope weapon off of someone yesterday and extacted with two bounties

lusty wren
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Store sells everything, you can constantly have your favorite load out. Compared to finite storage with meaningful choices

granite plinth
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? There’s loot, there is no inventory management in hunt and no economy, but there is looting

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It’s just irrelevant

lusty wren
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Not really loot though

jaunty scaffold
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Tarkov is more similar but it has insurance

smoky yoke
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@granite plinth I'm asking to you to be polite, do not try to create conflicts

white cliff
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Also apologies on the ad hominem attack.

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No no it was me.

jaunty scaffold
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and insurance fraud, which is baller

white cliff
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I instigated that.

granite plinth
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He did, but I carried it on

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It’s a fair warning

lusty wren
white cliff
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It’s all good, I just care about the game and I live in the design atmosphere. I should have discussed why I don’t like those systems instead of just calling you a boomer.

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My bad.

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If I could secure a Korean work visa I’d love to work on the game honestly.

jaunty scaffold
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I just want the option of starting with a Kris or something in exchange for worse gear in other areas

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Keep a baseline balance, but offer some customizability based on playstyle

white cliff
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I think people would just start with X meta weapon.

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Felling axe on barb.

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Spell book cleric.

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Etc.

lusty wren
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100%

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would be no reason to not

jaunty scaffold
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Make a shittier spellbook then. A spell light novel, if you will

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Give me a grosse-messer/falchion, but no shield. May god help me

white cliff
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Then what would be the point in weapon variation?

granite plinth
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Movesets for one

stoic kernel
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it would allow experimentation? And then yuo could tweak the gear

lusty wren
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You can already do that now right?

jaunty scaffold
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There's also significant statistical variation between different pieces of gear

stoic kernel
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you see one type of base gear gets to powerful, you adjust it

jaunty scaffold
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give me a messer, which is just a reskinned falchion that's worse

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or a basterd sword just being a longsword without the reach. There's methods of tweaking weapons that make them starter friendly

civic crypt
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I really love this game but this battle royale circle is very annoying, it always forces you to pvp all the time, when i am full loot i just want to extract

jaunty scaffold
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I like the circle. extraction has some issues but I'm not sure if or how I'd adjust it

stoic kernel
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Isn't that the whole challenge?

jaunty scaffold
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The circle is pretty fair as well. Doesn't do a ton of damage

stoic kernel
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This game should not be PvE focused

jaunty scaffold
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It's basically Hunt in a dungeon with loot

civic crypt
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yes but it could be more balanced and have more chance of extracting

jaunty scaffold
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but it's also attempting some things in first-person melee combat that feel like a cross between Souls and Mordhau

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Souls in that the weapons have movesets. Mordhau in that it's first person and positioning is important

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Hopfully it doesn't develop the, uh, issues that Mordhau has with community

fading obsidian
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How have these dogshit spawns not been fixed yet? stop screwing with the trade chat and FIX THE GARBAGE SPAWNS. I get time to kill 3 mobs in some of the solo map spawns before the zone has started moving and I still have to go through 3 doors to get to the save zone. holy shit, slow it down so we can actually clear rooms and get loot FFS. This should have been a day 1 hotfix

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jfc

stoic kernel
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Dude its a playtest

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spawn points are easy to adjust, they want to test new big features like Trade

fading obsidian
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if they are easy to adjust, do it day 1. there's no reason for this. the spawns were a non-issue last test and the jacked up the game for no reason

stoic kernel
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You mean they tried something and now are gathering data on how the changes impacted things?

fading obsidian
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wasting dev time making the game worse with dogwater spawns and the solo dungeon instead of fixing what is broken like hitboxes, quests, loot depth, and a working trade system

jaunty scaffold
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It's almost like it's an experimental mode or something

fading obsidian
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EVERYONE has been spamming to fix the spawns since the first hour. there a about 20 suggestions all with 100+ upvotes to put the spawns back

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it's almost like they are getting feedback in their playtest and straight up ignoring the community to mess around with the trade chat. it needs to be a post system like runescape or tarkov. it's a simple concept. fixing the text scroll pause for their filter aint it

stoic kernel
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So anyway I think that having a screen after you extract to show everyones loot and giving the opportunity for the team to trade would be a good idea

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you can already do that using the trade system

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and it would encourage working together more as a team

white cliff
white cliff
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The modules are different.

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Also the whole point of a play test is to test if things work.

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I think a lot of it has to do with mob density in solo, not so much spawns.

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I actually like the random spawns in the castle.

fading obsidian
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i'm talking about the new solo mode if you actually read the message. and the hitbox between spear and spider is broken for example. you can swing through the fattest part of the spider 30+ times and never hit the spider. you have to aim where the biggest section meets the rest of the body and even then it's 60/40 that you miss because of how small it is and the spider moving as you swing

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you spawn into the far side of the map. have time to kill 3 mobs and if you need to heal then you die because the zone is already moving and you have to go through 3 doors to get to the safe zone. the timing between zone moves is half of what it should be to clear rooms solo and actually get loot. they should NEVER have taken out the spawn rooms in the main game as doing so made the game worse and they still have spawn "rooms" for 2/3'rds of the spawns

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no matter what your personal opinion on the spawns are, the hundreds of upvotes on tons of suggestions in the suggestions section speaks for the community as a whole that do not want the spawns as they are

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the devs are wasting time playing with a market system that needs to be completely scrapped instead of improving the game

stoic kernel
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I don't think anyone is arguing about the need to adjust the spawns.

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but don't get worked up by it, this is a playtest and that is not what they are focuse on for it

fading obsidian
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if they are not focused on listening to the community the game is dead and no one will get to play a finished product.

jaunty scaffold
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it takes time to implement changes. Games aren't magic. some things take more time than others to implement

fading obsidian
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it would take less than an hour to change the zone movement timer and then rework the spawn location string to not include the ones that put you in the rooms with the mini boss or within the pathing range of mobs. don't talk if you don't know anything about code

stuck shadow
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Is it just me or do I have a very hard time finding portals...

white cliff
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I think the existence of a solo mode is to see if it’s even warranted.

versed vapor
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Tbh I don't think revamping entire system in the middle of a short playtest is a good idea, their goal is to get as much data/player suggestions/bug report as possible and then work on it after the playtest. For exemple, Imagine if they tweak the goblin cave spawns and broke it so 1/3 of people spawns in walls ? That would sucks for player who would have a really anoying bug and for the dev that'll lose time and data for something trivial

fading obsidian
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quantifiably not true but believe whatever fantasy you want to support bad game design. I want this game to survive more than 1 month after launch. not my fault if yall don't see how having people die to the zone less than 5 minutes after spawning when they have only killed 4 of the 8 mobs in the room is bad for the game

brisk folio
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I made 2 suggestions but neither have been added to the actual channel anyone know what’s up with that?

versed vapor
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Don't know how it work sorry

oak loom
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Goblin archer poison should not be a separate poison from goblin soldiers

versed vapor
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It is ? Damn

stoic kernel
brisk folio
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“Add capability to sheath shield without also sheathing weapon”

stoic kernel
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no like put the whole command you use in here

brisk folio
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Oh .suggest [Add capability to sheath shield without also sheathing weapon]

stoic kernel
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get rid of the bracket

brisk folio
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Oh is that the issue lol

tender cave
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Yes lol

lusty wren
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Spider hitboxes seem fine to me

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The beetle hitboxes were scuffed but seems to be resolved now

lusty wren
brisk folio
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Can skeleton hit through terrain?

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I havnt noticed that happening

fading obsidian
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its not about the tic damage. it's about having to move through mobs when you need to heal instead. goblin wizard spell curved around the corner that I LOS'd it around and took 60% of my health as fighter. the zone moves so fast and the spawn is inside the room with 5 goblin and one goblin mage. that's lazy game design by the devs. it takes literally 10 seconds to change the zone move timers in solo mode and push it out yet they're taking down the trade tab for hours to fix a scrolling bug instead. there's no reason for this and it's bad for the game

cobalt obsidian
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I'd rather die to a cheater than get boned at the very very end of a game with no portal. Lets fix that bullshit somehow.

fading obsidian
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^^^^^^^^ amen brother

oak loom
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WFL discord trade channel

cobalt obsidian
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I liked that kit I just lost. Now i gotta sit in trade chat for an hour

brisk folio
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We’re you in the cave or fort?

cobalt obsidian
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cave

brisk folio
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Ah I havnt gone there too much but in the castle or whatever it is I never have that issue

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Aside from one of the final circles where there’s 2 floors it can be hard to find one

empty raptor
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should they make it so there cannot be 3 stacks of the same character so it causes more diverse fights?

stoic kernel
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wrong channel

empty raptor
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tryna grab opinions frankie

cursive kayak
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It is actually easier to solo in dungeons than it is in the goblins lol

brisk folio
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Yeah i did it twice and escaped once

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I had to fight a 2 packs of goblins for like 6 mins

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And by the time the fight ended it was like a minute from final circle

cursive kayak
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It's cuz u have room to move around in dungeons in goblins it's a cluster fuck of mobs

cobalt obsidian
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Idk i farm caves with a 95% escape rate.

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Too many timmies in there but the pvp is actually fun

supple quiver
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I LIKE THE IDEA OF FAMILY NAMES WOULD WORK WELL WITH GUILDS

cobalt obsidian
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No sweaty trios

brisk folio
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I’m not really a fan of a solo dungeon

supple quiver
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@smoky basalt dude try switching your map to the solo map

smoky basalt
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how

supple quiver
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rofl above the "ready" button is the map your playing.

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click that

smoky basalt
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where?

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u mean start?

supple quiver
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yea

brisk folio
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Click the dungeon in the lobby

smoky basalt
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ye

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i click

brisk folio
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U see the other modes?

supple quiver
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yea now choose the "HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL" its solo

smoky basalt
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ye the goblin and highly

supple quiver
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but teaming is allowed ingame

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ye the goblin one

smoky basalt
supple quiver
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sucks to suck

smoky basalt
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im stuck in lvl 5

stoic kernel
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organic teaming up is allowed in trios also

smoky basalt
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and

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u know

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i dont have team

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bc my microphone is broken

supple quiver
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im just saying dont get mad if people are teaming

smoky basalt
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😦

supple quiver
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o try espania channels

smoky basalt
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i will try

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so, thx for tell me that

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i gona to play

inland pelican
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So, thoughts on a shield bash on successful blocks? No dmg just a weapon stagger for like .5 seconds on successful bash

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(Shield bash would need to be activated with a rmb press after a successful block)

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Smokey, you here?

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@stray hamlet totally agree with the spider mummies, I could step over them irl, they shouldn't be able to pin me in game lol

minor wasp
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@inland pelican I think it would be a good idea as long as it wasn't spammable

inland pelican
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Like the longsword's reposte

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Likely range of a dagger thrust

minor wasp
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Yea but it would turn the game into a turtle meta, everyone would just be waiting for a stun setup

inland pelican
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Just means swing at legs and position at sides

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Or use bows/spears, it wouldn't stop movement just attacks

minor wasp
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If it has no build in cool down I think a knock back effect would be more fair than a stun

inland pelican
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Would make a duo of fighters going shield/sword and spear useful af in hallways

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The point of the bash would be to allow a counter attack, that's all the stun needs to be imo, and it is just a weapon stun

minor wasp
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Ahh if it's just a weapon stun I can see it working

inland pelican
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Yeah more I suppose an imposed recoil

lost rampart
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do yall thinnk there should be a way to practice dodging mob attacks better

lusty wren
bold jacinth
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As long as the treasure chest takes up the same amount of space as the equivalent bags, I'm cool with that. Less tedious than moving around all those money bags.

lusty wren
bold jacinth
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Minus a few bags then lol

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But yeah that makes sense

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I have so many bags in my inventory I wanna cry

lusty wren
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I wouldnt mind more options for gold storage. But 500 seems like alot

inland pelican
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They did that intentionally, it forces is to innovate they said

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It might change pater

lusty wren
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I like having to think about my stash choices.

inland pelican
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Later**

lusty wren
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I just think we need like a 100 coin purse

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and maybe a 250 chest

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I dunno

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but 500 seems high and that it would reduce some of the decisions you have to make in stash

inland pelican
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I mean, first its a 100 purse, then you will ask for 125 or 150 purse and then 200 etc

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I see their point

lusty wren
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Ya, but they are the ones who make the calls. They could choose to not jump down a slippery slope while still making a few more options. I do believe they talked about having another option like a chest think it was in the last qna

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I just hope they dont overdo it

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Like the kneejerk of a solo dungeon 😄

inland pelican
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They did, but not soon, they like to see how we manage the lack of space and what we find valuable enough to keep etc

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Yeah...

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I'm NOT opposed to the solo dungeon, now I have played solo and trios

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In retrospect, was a good call

bold jacinth
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My first time in the solo dungeons, ran into 3 friendly people who all helped in clearing a room. No back stabbers. Good times.

green night
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Could we get more party chats in the discord like last alpha?

bold jacinth
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Getting trapped by enemies is real tho. The wall torches have huge hitboxes I've noticed, I've gotten pinned by one and a mummy and died as a result because I couldn't move and my swings were going outside of the mummy's body.

reef cosmos
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i cant play solo anymore, every time i die without a portal

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wtf is that

small junco
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NURF ROUGES

red jewel
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Get better at PVP so you can fight for portals?

inland pelican
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Portals in solos spawn with each ring, keep eyes and ears open

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Thoughts on the pve, my sister was wishing for it, would be cool to have and the 'rewards' at the end could be cosmetics or some white tier gear

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You can't stack up hard on it but you get to have fun with friends, would allow heavy boss fights and even passion projects for stories and voice actors

bold jacinth
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Yeah I prefer PVE in games, I like that DaD feels to focus more on PVE with some PVP. In some raids I never run into other players which is great for me. Keep characters and gear separate from the PVP mode as it's easier to cheese AI than real players.

restive thicket
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Do suggestions just get posted in Make Suggestion and bot moves them to other channel?

restive thicket
marble schooner
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Yeah PvE feels really goofy this playtest especially the goblin caves, spawns are trash could have to face up to 4-5 things as soon as you start and then also PvP right after cause someone is running from their spawn. Goblin fighters are not an issue but the archers and mages are not well made. The mage has throw curve balls that have hit my from quite literally 3 floors away. The archers if they do hit you which they have a bit better predictions then I've seen in other AI do 100 damage in 2 shots that's a full kill on ranger and rogue, that's more damage then being hit by wraith.

restive thicket
gilded saffron
marble schooner
shut falcon
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yeah id say archer AI feels a lil too skilled [if it hits], really funny seeing my party member randomly drop dead after getting headshot tho. ragdoll physics gmfu evertime xD

gilded saffron
marble schooner
gilded saffron
marble schooner
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You have a whole shield lmao

shut falcon
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after playing barb, youd be able to dodge anything ngl

gilded saffron
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don't use it lmao

supple quiver
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lets discuss the archer nerf suggestions

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i agree

astral wigeon
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No way people are really saying they should remove the circle haha there would be barely any PvP if that was the case people really are dumb as h

shut falcon
astral wigeon
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Right ?

marble schooner
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They could make it slower in goblins

astral wigeon
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The circle is what makes the game unique to and not a total copy of tarkov

gilded saffron
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would be way more boring without the circle, gotta stay on your toes all the time with it, which i think is a good thing

shut falcon
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also i would just expect much more campier strats with the removal of circle

astral wigeon
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Yes!

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The circle gives it a lot more of an intense feeling when your trying to find a blue portal

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All in all if they remove the circle im just saying it prob won’t end well for the game

gilded saffron
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They remove the circle and there's no reason why people wouldn't always just run away from eachother it'd be boring

restive thicket
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I messed up my one suggestion per six hours, can someone post for me? .suggest [Slightly nerf attack range of spear, or greatly decrease spear attack speed. There is currently very little counterplay for melee classes into others using a spear.

civic pollen
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Nah

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I love the spear don't touch it

craggy matrix
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Price evaluation discord text channel post images of items 🙂

restive thicket
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Yeah, anyone would love it

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It's impossible to lose with it

frail solstice
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has a starter weapon for each weapon type been suggested already? (like having starter spellbook, for example)

civic pollen
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Thats not true

gilded saffron
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i dunno I've slaughtered a bunch of spear dudes

restive thicket
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not head on I bet

gilded saffron
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head on with an arming sword

civic pollen
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They must've had Parkinson's

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Ain't no way

gilded saffron
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you just gotta not get hit and then hit them

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amd they die

civic pollen
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The spears hitbox is huge and lingers

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So they must've had bad aim or something

marble schooner
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Bro is 3 bosses really necessary on the solo map?

gilded saffron
frail solstice
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does editing a suggestion remove all of the text , or just append to it?

marble schooner
gilded saffron
marble schooner
# gilded saffron well now you know not to pull that lever xD

Sigh, I was just about to get out saw a stair case and went up it thinking that might be where goblin village is but nope rocks above me collapsed and insta killed me without even giving me a skill check as a rogue there's not way my character doesn't have the finesse to jump 2 inches back

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But I'm sure y'all will say just don't go up that staircase but there shouldn't be a insta kill staircase

gilded saffron
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I've used it to get out many times

marble schooner
gilded saffron
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weird

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first time i went through it i thought the same thing, but turned out i had all my items from the run and now i rush it if i cant find a portal

marble schooner
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That's weird maybe you have to go in before the storm I was going in as the storm over took it so maybe just bad timing if I'd gone before storm it might have let me

gilded saffron
pine flint
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too much pve in solos

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i was fighting this guy and we had like 15 gobbies on us. we were training em like cod zombies

gilded saffron
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meh i disagree

marble schooner
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A lot of the PvE is simple tho which makes it boring of there was less and they were more engaging fight

haughty sierra
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Could we get more vcs? they are all full :(

civic pollen
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Make a discord gc

astral wigeon
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Goblin cave is really easy tbh just kite them

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Stop going in with 0 loot and you will be fine

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To many people keep loot in there stash for what

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It’s a play test

gilded saffron
burnt heart
#

Can anyone explain the trading fee to me please? Is it split evenly between both players or?

astral wigeon
gilded saffron
astral wigeon
gilded saffron
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fighter

astral wigeon
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Nice I main rouge

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As my badge says cleric 😂

gilded saffron
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xD

slate tartan
astral wigeon
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So when’s this play test supposed to end

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I heard it was gonna be extended

gilded saffron
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officially till the 13th

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heard people want to extend it bcuz of the trading post issues which were there

astral wigeon
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Ok at least it’s on a week day

gilded saffron
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dunno if they will tho

astral wigeon
gilded saffron
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same im addicted

astral wigeon
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lol fr played all day on release and so on

normal cedar
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Anyone got any solutions to reduce how much power my graphics card uses on the menu? In a match my 2080 sits at like 40%, but on the menu it uses like 80%. I've capped my fps in game and on Nvidia control panel.

inland pelican
shy pilot
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there needs to be a way to improve the spawns of the escape portals man i hate people who camp them for no reason than just to get easy loot because they were lazy

normal cedar
inland pelican
inland pelican
crimson spoke
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How to make suggestions?

shy pilot
scenic kettle
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cuz if its goblin cave i can agree

astral wigeon
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I don’t see an issue

shy pilot
scenic kettle
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with the spawns

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reg dungeon is only suppose to be hard cuz of the mobs and players

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not hard to escape

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goblin though is like horrible for escaping

shy pilot
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well I mean when it comes to players its makes it annoying for they act like the mobs

carmine berry
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wtf is this game now?

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spawns are terrible and i feel like they packed evey inch of the map with shit to fight

dawn trellis
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what do you guys think of "Keystone Perks" for hitting level 20?

jovial swan
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Yet another suggestion I've made is increasing the capacity from 50 to 80 (5x10 to 8x10).

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My logic is very sound and it would really make you feel like you need to go for more.

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Also, this would allow for the ability to hold items that may eventually take up more than 5 vertical slots of space.

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Should there ever be any.

dawn trellis
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yeah it makes grabbing extra spears/halberds very difficult to actually keep when it comes to space

jovial swan
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It is a buff, but one I feel would be just right.

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And with the suggestions I've made, an 8x10 grid would be pretty nice alongside the ability to shift items between positions.

dawn trellis
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rotating items would be nice

tall garden
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should make a few people willing to answer questions in general chat immunity to chat timer so they can answer peoples questions without wasting their own ability to speak their mind.

vernal plover
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Suggestion [ Add a "luggage/loot chest vendor to the game that sells special chests that would allow for more stash space.] [ Example: a grey chest that takes up 6 slots in your stash internally holds 8 slots of loot. A white holds 10, a green holds 12 etc.]
[Possibly have this be its own market for trade at its own special currency rate.] [Example: a grey chest costs either a lot of gold or set of a special currency not unlike candy canes or candy currency.] [ This could be a great end game loot grind for players that are struggling with space.]

pale ginkgo
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They meed to remove fighter charge on skill doesnt make any sense to be the only melee class with only 2 skill that doesnt have one wich is the sprint and the 20% more damage buff on the next attack while all the other pvp skill are limited at 1 use while you have barb with 150 hp that can spam their speed/damage boost back to back while my poor skill to that give 25% attack speed and has a debuff has only one charge its simply wack

lost leaf
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I would like to see more incentives for players to stop needlessly attacking and fighting for no reason, or just to kill players with no gain just because they can. That was the hope in my suggestion in D-and-D

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died 3 times to players in passing i tried to befreind, they kill me and my party or die to us when we have nothing. Its frustrating and the reason that games like Cycle failed in mass community appeal.

jovial swan
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They need to reconsider how queues work at the moment.

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I'm just saying, there needs to be a priority for solo and team queues, and they should get rid of one player in the max cap on the Castle map.

white cliff
lost leaf
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not saying dont fight, but wading through people with nothing for them to gain on my naked start, and they have the poral behind them, it gets old quick

white cliff
lost leaf
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you cant sell default gear for any gold, and im willing to team or let you be.

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i can just look for another portal elswhere, and i dont have to waste either of our time.

potent musk
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Can we get split XP between party members?

lost leaf
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basically, if you were to let me and my party pass it would reward us both for passing peacfully ya know?

fiery ledge
lost leaf
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not saying dont pvp, but if i see a first raid guy trying to escape, illlet him pass because its the smart more community based thing to do.

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but if i see a party grab a super valuable loot item from a boss and i have the advantage... im jumping them post haste.

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not oppesed to pvp, i just hate seeing 4 teamed up nakeds barring me and my guys from the exit, and all of us and them dying to the swarm.

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needless pvp is needless. sometimes we should all just leave with the loot ya know?

fiery ledge
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No. I don't agree at all. I play to ruin your day.

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Nothing else matters.

lost leaf
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wow ok

fiery ledge
#

Maybe your idea has a place in this world, but I think it would require a massive change in the game.

lost leaf
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a small simple change, but perhaps you are correct.

jovial swan
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Imagine a D-and-D game where queues were prioritized based on the amount of people in your party. Got a 3-stack? Go against the other teams. Got 1 person? Go against 15 other fuckos that will probably try to team up on anyone they can.

lost leaf
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that too

fiery ledge
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The rooms are far too compact and the map is way too small imho for it to show hospitality to the idea you're proposing. The way I see it, most people will find themselves wearing the pvp mark you were mentioning.

lost leaf
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well we teamed up with two other teams for a 9 man so that untrue.

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teamed with alotr of people so far.

fiery ledge
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Even more so with the recent changes they made to their dungeon module ~ every day so far I've seen 9-12 people on one screen

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fighting to the death

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and its atypically like this, back to back to back to back to back

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across all HR lobbies

jovial swan
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That's why I think the goblin dungeon was added in the first place.

lost leaf
jovial swan
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To have a more compact and community-like dungeon.

lost leaf
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ye

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i feel likes its a fun "you got captured by goblins" scenario

lost leaf
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but ill still wipe if i have to for the loot.

fiery ledge
#

Completely different world.

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Completely different focuses and loops for replayability

lost leaf
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100-250 players over a square mile? pretty well condensed.

fiery ledge
#

Assuming that all servers are like that all the time.

lost leaf
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my point is that needless pvp and toxic gameplay i dont imagine was the point of the game here

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would be nice to see sides picked, and rewards for those sides

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you get cool demon horns for attacking eveyone and dying in the last circle, i get cool glowy coat for teaming up with the whole dungeon every raid.

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and maybe perks too

fiery ledge
#

Needless pvp?

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This entire endeavor is needless.

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From the PVE farming, to the cosmetics you're proposing

lost leaf
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well no point in discussing it is there?

fiery ledge
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This is a pvp game

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And you said needless pvp

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Reflect on that

lost leaf
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very true.

fiery ledge
#

You'll probably see a furthering of your idea hidden somewhere in the karma system.

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Even more so as they bring us more maps.

lost leaf
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Id hope so, seeing the in experienced players attacking other people instead of leaving with a portal next to them or attacking someone and not getting any loot because they are first spawn (needless pvp aka time wasted) is nothing but frustrating.

potent musk
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I suggest split party XP not just whoever gets last hit

lost leaf
fiery ledge
#

You might be surprised how much people are addicted to frustration.

lost leaf
lost leaf
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hopefully they exit the cycle.

fiery ledge
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They dont want that, unless its off the corpse of your body, in the form of loot.

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They want to complain about losing gear, get some more gear, then come back and ruin your day

lost leaf
lost leaf
fiery ledge
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I mean, if you want to sharpen your skills in sociopathy so you can network your way to safety, that's one way to skin a cat. Personally, I just shoot.

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They make up most of this community.

lost leaf
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yikes

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well i was hoping the game and community was different.

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i really enjoyed the game lol

radiant shale
lost leaf
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LOl

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well i was trying to be polite

fiery ledge
#

Children these days :\

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meta dialogue and personality, super fun

zealous skiff
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you fool you've activated my trap card

lost leaf
radiant shale
lost leaf
fiery ledge
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@radiant shaleI know, I was talking about you

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-200 IQ play

radiant shale
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I'm a child?

zealous skiff
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i know you are but what am I

lost leaf
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and im out.

fiery ledge
#

Among other things ~ Good night.

radiant shale
lost leaf
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just because pvp exists, doesint mean it has to be the horrid focus.

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some people like to enjoy themselves.

fiery ledge
#

Assuming the opposite of the coin doesn't?

lost leaf
radiant shale
fiery ledge
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I was saying that to him. A step off before I blocked him.

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He doesn't want to engage in dialogue, rather just throw out high schooler banalities

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No point in engaging.

radiant shale
lost leaf
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well to be fair, all you are doing is devolve the conversation in edgy highschooler angst, and i was trying to be polite and ignore it.

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i was trying to add a fair discussion to see what others had to think, but people who get angry and just want to see the world burn play every game for the salt.

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they dont count.

fiery ledge
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Fair discussion? "some people like to enjoy themselves."

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You make swathing generalizations that are biased by your emotions

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Get real

lost leaf
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agree to disagree. with all due respect.

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some agree by killing, some agree by teaming. thats my point.

fiery ledge
#

So, what were you banned for the other time?

lost leaf
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im sorry?

fiery ledge
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I've seen your name in here before

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Joined Feb 8th

lost leaf
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i just got the game and joined by my community's suggestion today

fiery ledge
#

mhm

lost leaf
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this was a mistake obviously

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have a good day and good luck.

fiery ledge
#

Save it for yourself. You'll need it for your suggestions.

radiant shale
#

you scared away the scalie... 😔 😔

lost leaf
#

everyone needs it if bullies are allowed to harass people openly with no control.

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community is well on its way.

lost leaf
granite plinth
#

Anyway, how do you guys feel about Rogue weapon effects being hidden with lighting instead of glowing in the dark

fiery ledge
#

Hidden with lighting instead of glowing in the dark?

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Care to expand as to what that means?

granite plinth
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Poor phrasing, have them not visible in the dark

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You can see rogue weapons glowing purple in the dark when they've prepped an attack

small junco
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same with most things

granite plinth
#

The biggest offender really is how you can see potions in the shadows, but rogues have a skill for that

fiery ledge
#

I would say it should probably stay the way that it is. Punish players for prepping early/punish them for prepping incorrectly just before the climax. Seeing as this is a hardcore game...

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But

small junco
#

^

fiery ledge
#

There is a perk for potions on your belt and etc

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Maybe if you were willing to lose a perk slot for it 🙂

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Also, class and skill system is still on the way

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Its possible they already plan to work that in

small junco
#

rouge is OP imo.. i 1v1 on solo and i couldnt spin fast enough to block them. they got 5 hits in i got 4 and died. unsure how a knight is so weak and rouge can tank so much.

fiery ledge
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Rogue can 2 shot a full plate fighter NP

small junco
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im literally spinning that fast in the clip to block them it bs. for a game you run a snail speed someone need to slow that crack head down a lil

radiant shale
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they should make u start naked and make torches cost ten gold.

fiery ledge
#

My feelings on this are mixed, because I'm in HR, I almost never see rogues, and the ones I do see are mostly in teams, the ones I don't see, well, I died, and thats maybe 2-3 times. The statement you made, I see it more in norms because of disparity in gear quality.

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But you get into HR, with the streamers and etc, they one shot rogues left and right.

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my fighter did a hori slash on my juiced rangers toes, did 70% of my HP with a unique

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my counter to it is, never break formation for too long, always be prepared, and maybe have a ranger with you

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I usually run windlass %phys dmg bonus and etc just for those guys

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Can 1 shot most rogues to the chest

abstract swallow
#

The amount of damage stacking you can get right now is pretty insane, Ive just stopped playing Barb completely because you just drop anything that isn't cleric-bubbled in one swing.

hallow saffron
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I am pretty sure that its due to how the math all works out, like how much str do you have on your barb @abstract swallow , Im imagining youre hitting near 50% bonus phys which would be a 200% weapon damage to a headshot

abstract swallow
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Pretty much, Barb has stacking modifiers that need to be addressed when they get around to balancing. As-is Barb is SUPER feast-or-famine; either he's going to be an absolutely unbalanced monster or he's a joke character, no inbetween.

hallow saffron
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not even from perks though, just barbarian with a 2handed 70 damage axe with 50% phys bonus from armour/ring stats and str is a 150 headshot before mitigation. thats not including the axe specialization, 2h weapon mastery or savage.

abstract swallow
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Yeah, item generation is obviously in a very alpha state so hopefully we get something more defined and balanced down the line.

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That and there being no diminishing returns in stat gains until like... 45 is just silly.

hallow saffron
#

strength has no diminishing return until 50

abstract swallow
#

Yeah, obviously that needs to be bracketed.

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Stats aren't really weighted towards the neutral values so it gets ugly fast, especially with Barb, Ranger, and Rogue.

hallow saffron
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50 = 35% phys bonus 51 is 35.5% phys bonus.
a large segment of the issue is that it is almost impossible for us to properly test out damage numbers and how they all interact without a proper training dummy room. I spent 18 hours in the last two days mad sprinting to the dummy on rogue and barb just to get a baseline with a 35 dmg axe and 14 damage dagger

hollow sentinel
#

barb is in dire need of tuning

abstract swallow
#

I almost feel bad for Barb mains, they're in for the wildest ride by far.

hollow sentinel
#

barb is the new wizard

hallow saffron
#

rogue actually has a negative to their phys power. they rely more on the raw power and dot effect then anything else. Rogue with stats that are just flat added damage are just better off on them then % phys power.

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a rogue with a bunch of will, agi and raw damage stats is scarier by far then a rogue with a bunch of phys power as they need to get 7 str stat to bring their negative to the 15 str baseline of 0 phys

abstract swallow
hallow saffron
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for str the damage scaling is where the soft cap is noticeable. I havent had the ability to properly tes tout the other stats but HP gain per str isnt really that much of a softcap later on cause unless you have 200-300 armour plus over 100 HP you aint tanking barbs

abstract swallow
#

Raw damage stats as a whole need to be throttled hard, I've seen clips of Barbs swinging with +30 flat damage on dual axes. It's just disgusting, and we'd see a lot more of it if these tests weren't so short.

hallow saffron
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ehhhh. the raw damage isnt too crazy when you actually think about it. If armour provided more protection percent per AC then it wouldnt be a problem

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as is 100 AC = 20% dmg reduction

abstract swallow
#

AC is pretty much negligible, especially with how costly it is to move speed. Fighter gets it the absolute worst, especially since he has no real way to mitigate the malus of his weapons and shields.

hallow saffron
#

no cleric has it the worst

white cliff
#

Really?

hallow saffron
#

My battle healer is so slow with the amount of armour I need to survive the one tap barb builds

abstract swallow
#

At least Cleric gets to have perks and skills. Fighter's entire kit is just him making up for his system-based shortcomings. Fighter is built to brawl and does nothing but play catch-up.

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His best skill is a glorified blue potion that takes 80gp in camping supplies to refresh.

hallow saffron
#

Fighter throws on swift, they ignore 20% of the entire movement penalty which means that in FULL darkplate they have less movement penalty then my templar armour plated cleric

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they out on defense expert and that 200 armour? now 220, and scaling, barricade, another 15% while blocking or they can take shield expert for movement speed while blocking, , this leaves one open perk slot for either combo attack (my fave) Counterattack (good with zweihander) dual wield(dogwater) or combat mastery (ranger fighter build)

white cliff
#

Yeah but if you’re in range of a barb swing you’ve got bigger problems going on.

ionic gull
#

can we not spawn in the goddamn boss room please?

abstract swallow
#

Move speed while blocking is a joke, it doesn't even cover the -70 Speed from blocking

white cliff
ionic gull
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We just spawned in the room with the champ and wraith already unleashed with the lion's head in the middle with the light coming down

white cliff
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Unless you can in solo?

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Those aren’t bosses.

ionic gull
#

Wraith and Skeleton Champion are bosses for the first floor

hallow saffron
#

no those are mini bosses

white cliff
#

This isn’t the first floor.

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You spawn on B2.

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Coupled with the fact that the B3 bosses have been stated to have been planned for B2 anyways.

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Anyways, just skirt around the corners.

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You don’t have to go in the middle at all.

boreal cloak
#

Anyone suggest that Class specific equipment like rogue equipment have attributes like "+1 Spell capacity" removed? I think it really dilutes the pool of modifiers and I've seen a lot of crafted gear with garbage mods... that makes the RNG and effort put in to get good gear really frustrating.

abstract swallow
#

Impossible to utilize modifiers probably shouldn't be rollable affixes, but loot generation is obviously barebones right now.

boreal cloak
#

Fair. but that's a simple table edit really.

white cliff
#

Why should loot with good modifiers be easy to get.

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That breaks the gameplay loop.

boreal cloak
white cliff
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Clearly I didn’t mean every game.

boreal cloak
#

That's a wild generalization.

white cliff
#

If it’s not modifiers it’s artificial scarcity.

hallow saffron
#

I mean I think that a lot of stuff will become more accessible/feel better once we can actually test some of the modifiers on training dummies.

boreal cloak
#

If it is literally impossible for Rogues and Rangers to get spells... It is absolutely not "Gameplay loop friendly" to have grinded out, farmed for, crafted gear roll impossible to use modifiers

hallow saffron
#

for NOW its impossible who knows if they will have options in the future

white cliff
#

Yeah I still struggle to find the difference between percents and stat points.

hallow saffron
#

I CAN HELP WITH THAT ON JKIDD!

boreal cloak
white cliff
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Though I’m not super mathematically inclined.

boreal cloak
#

now we have D&D holy shit. I Just realized

hallow saffron
#

what quesiton do you have as I spent the last 18 hours mad dashing to training dummies to set a stat baseline for rogue and barb

boreal cloak
#

Dark and Darker..... D and D

#

F

white cliff
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Is this 10% capacity garbage compared to +2 capacity.

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I got no clue.

hallow saffron
#

okay, what class and what stat points/ percent

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for spell cap that just doesnt work yet so cannot properly test that

white cliff
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SHIT.

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I mean let’s just say for strength then.

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Versus damage.

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Or damage % versus flat points.

hallow saffron
#

okay so for strength what class would you be playing as they all have different starting str

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if were theoretically starting at 15 strength you have a 0% phys bonus modifier

white cliff
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Barb for example, I’m just interested to know at what point; points beat % and % beat points.

jovial swan
#

I just went against someone using Magic Missile and how the hell is this in the game?

ionic gull
white cliff
jovial swan
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"Oh yeah, let's make a move that deletes an entire health bar and has several projectiles."

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Definitely something I'm adding to the log, that's just utter BS.

white cliff
#

Just….dodge it?

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They have to stand stationary to even fire it.

abstract swallow
#

It's a charged, loud, linear attack that has to be channeled.

jovial swan
#

In a team fight, it's not so easy.

white cliff
#

The only time I thought MM was strong was when it was ignitable.

boreal cloak
white cliff
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I definitely wouldn’t add it to a log.

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Change log I’m assuming.

hallow saffron
#

okay so for barb % is better cause their str stat is higher. 30 str is a 15% str mod.

35 dmg axe does 44 damage on hit. (2handed weapon is innately +(x) to hit) , body shots take 100% of a weapons hit damage, with the 30 str mod its calculated as [35x115/100] for 40.25. I still cant figure out if each 2handed weapon has a diff bonus to hit or if they are all the same bonus

boreal cloak
white cliff
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Will screenshot for later.

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Ty.

hallow saffron
#

the math changes though if you are say a rogue with 8 str.

14 damage dagger, -15% modifer to phys damage bonus.
No perks active that stab to the body does 10 damage. so Flat damage modifiers are better.

boreal cloak
hallow saffron
boreal cloak
#
  • Str adds 1% Physical power damage % per STR generally. The real test is to see if +Weapon damage gets modifier% bonuses, or if it's tacked on the end.
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It currently is not too mathematically challenging to deduce that +True Damage/Weapon Damage/Physical Damage is going to pan out to be BiS stat

hallow saffron
boreal cloak
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Yeah. It would be; +Weapon Damage>+Physical Damage>+True Damage, with points in str as extra stat rolls as a bonus once other mod slots have +damage

hallow saffron
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for say a base gear 30 str barb with a +2 true damage pendant., [35(100+15%)/100] + 2 = 44+2 true damage

boreal cloak
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I'm betting once we parse out action speed/move/attack speed from +AGI we'll see that as a new good raw stat.

hallow saffron
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the 4 bonus damage in that calculation is where I am stumped btw and trying to figure out if 2 handed weapons have an innate damage bonus that isnt listed anywhere in the files

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the dark n darker wiki wasnt able to find it out either which sucks

hallow saffron
boreal cloak
hallow saffron
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hell will is a better stat to roll then str on rogue cause it increases how long they debuff enemies with poison and rupture

boreal cloak
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But I actually notice significant increases to movement with +5 agi

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I outran a fellow rogue with the same weapons but with slightly heavier armor.

hallow saffron
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im specfically saying in regards to the preferred stat roles you mentioned on that reply

boreal cloak
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I had about 41 AGI vs the starting AGI, and no +% move

hallow saffron
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yeah I havent tested AGI stat properly was focusing on how the damage scaled so I could figure out how AC worked, how head shot resistance calculated (it calculates AFTER the Phys damage reduction has been calculated) and to figure out how general scaling worked and what damage stats would be better for whom

boreal cloak
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Right. Its a little wonky right now. I think because of how weapon Damage parses out most attributes lose out to other modifiers right now.

I am curious about the 2h Damage tho

hallow saffron
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a lot of the confusing comes from the lack of a training dummy room for us to actually test min max stuff without the risk of losing/having to hit allies to test

boreal cloak
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Naked runs buddy

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go in with base equipment and smash on your friends

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SCIENCE requires SACRIFICE

hallow saffron
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oh ive been doing that

boreal cloak
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It's probably best they don't have a dummy room right now. I think people already break the game too quickly

hallow saffron
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we found out that with no perk rogue attacking someone with 33 AC and 4% headshot reduction takes 10 to the body and 15 to the head

boreal cloak
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Base damage on rogue is weaksauce

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that's 10-11 direct body shots for a fighter, and 8-9 for a rogue to go down. So much stabbin.

hallow saffron
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backstab = 22 to the head 14 to the body,
Dagger expert = 17 head 11 body
Backstab and ambush = 22 head 14 body
Dagger expert and ambush = 30 to the head 20 to the body

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this isnt adding rupture, puncture or poison and just the 8 Str 14 damage dagger

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havent yet managed to test all three perks as I had to dip from the testing session to do some barb cleric and cleric dbl rogue runs with some pals lol

abstract swallow
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How does Rupture/Poison damage work, anyways? I've tried to test it and couldn't make sense of it.

boreal cloak
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Rupture is 20dmg/12 seconds

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Poison is 1 magic damage per second per stack, up to 5 stacks, over a set time

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Both are non mitigated damage.

hallow saffron
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rupture does 4 damage a tick every second for 5 seconds

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totalling at 20

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this is increased by the amount of will the rogue has

boreal cloak
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Rupture can be increased by +Physical damage, adds to the total over the duration.
Poison can be increased by +magic damage, which is spread out across the stack's duration

hallow saffron
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same with poison

boreal cloak
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Poison used to be busted AF.

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+magic damage used to add to each tic

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you'd have +15 damage tics quickly

abstract swallow
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Yeah it and Ignite used to doubleproc all true damage and the tics were flat buffed.

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Absolutely busted

boreal cloak
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currently. It's really good, but not broken.

abstract swallow
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Yeah, I've seen a few good rogues land nasty poison rupture throwing knives to shred heavy hitters.

boreal cloak
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Poison blade should be auto-pick, and rupture is solid. Sometimes the Weakpoint could be swapped out. But with the hit and run strats of Rogue, Rupture is just gold.

hallow saffron
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I believe with like 35 Will your poison and rupture last for like 20% extra

boreal cloak
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That's a lot of Will though

abstract swallow
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Yeah, Rupture is just mandatory given that Rogue boils down to abusing move speed and wonky hit detection to get off DoTs with buffed headstabs.

hallow saffron
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ik thats hard to get to but a lot of the high will pendants also tend to give flat weapon damage and bonus damage rolls which is what rogues want

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also will pendants tend to give buff duration which equals debuff duration on enemies. so a +4 will pendant with +5% buff duration on a rogue is equal to a +9 will pendant

boreal cloak
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Honestly though I think I had rupture wrong Is it 5 second duration?

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Cause then Will is even worse, at 35 will that's only 1 second

hallow saffron
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thats where you have to look at the -30% buff duration rogue already has

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getting rogue to 15 will = 1.5 more seconds of rupture

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sets them at 0% buff duration

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thats one more tick of 4 damage at just 15 will

boreal cloak
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That's better than str already

hallow saffron
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obviously we cant properly math this out as its hypothetical until we have training dummies but 30 will = an 8 second rupture 35 will = 9 second rupture. without any flat %buff bonuses

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yes technically we can test by stabbing allies but wed have to go in with a lot of high level gear to get those stats

boreal cloak
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I still think that Min maxing AGI is going to be king with frame reduction breakpoints and action/movement speeds trials.

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But 8 second rupture is a 62.5% boost to dot duration

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The question is do the Devs have increased duration unintentionally reduce the damage over that timeframe, or multiply the total damage across it, effectively making it a 60% damage boost?

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because that happens a lot in early alpha stages

hallow saffron
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yeah thats something I wanna test with my suggestion of the training dummy solo queue room where you can test gear before going into a run

boreal cloak
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Especially since its X damage over Y time frame. Instead of X damage per second, for y Seconds

hallow saffron
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would also make making this damn excel sheet take a lot less time as I wouldnt have to HOPE fingers crossed that I make it to the training dummy in time

boreal cloak
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Yeah I don't think we'll get that. The priority level is low, and it takes away from the trial aspect too. I doubt we'll get one

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Trial by combat my dude. pain.

hallow saffron
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it actually doesnt take too much awya from the trial aspect as properly testing how damage and numbers are calculated are a part of this. Personally feel that because they are taking the damage logs from each match as a whole instead of allowing the test room to spew out logs on varius armoured test dummies slows down that process of properly finding out if something is mathing incorrectly

boreal cloak
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Dummies speed that up exponentially

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theory crafting becomes irrelevant to raw data very quickly. the "I wonder if..." scenarios fall away to, "but the math says"

hallow saffron
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I mean the math says that my 36 magic power cleric heals for 45 but the heal is closer to 60

proven narwhal
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What about potions that you can trow on the ground and has an affect for all players in a radius

void panther
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anyone know if you can increase burn duration or damage with the Will stat?

hallow saffron
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or from throwable bombs

void panther
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does burn count as a curse effect? because will should affect that

hallow saffron
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Curse = Debuff I believe.

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i dont play wizard. thats the one calss I hav enot played so I dont know

void panther
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I see its just you guys got all these numbers so I thought youd know and with the dummies being hard to reach and an investment...

hallow saffron
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I can run some games today with wizard after I get off work

void panther
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asking cause some guy got 2 shot by zap and said the burn damage destroyed him

hallow saffron
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was it a barb/fighter?

void panther
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he didnt say his class and ive never used zap in pvp so idk if such a thing is possible

stable rose
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goblin map needs more staircases

void panther
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most likely had a negative magic resist but still

hallow saffron
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if it was a fighter in full plate they take a lot more magical damage. same with barb if they dont take the free 100 magic resist perk

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then again I have taken 50 damage from a zap before as a cleric

void panther
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clerics have the highest base will stat thus the highest resistance

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were you in high roller or something?

hallow saffron
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nope!

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with the set I was wearing at the time I have 107 magic resist with 20% damage reduction. Was just a REALLY kitted wiz in a dbl barb team.

twin delta
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zap hits as a headshot last i've checked

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or it has the headshot bonus when it hits, i mean

void panther
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i can check again

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nope still no headshot bonus at least no such thing on the dummies

twin delta
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quick math and if they were using mana surge, arcane feedback, and arcane mastery they'd only need a +5% spell damage equivalent to reach 50 damage with a zap (if they had max feedback stacks)

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and that's with something like a spellbook that adds magic damage as its default

hallow saffron
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they had all blue gear on. was a KITTED wiz. idk why they werent in highroller but the barbs werent kitted so they most likely were trying to get their buds some gear

twin delta
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since i don't have the stats you had at the time

void panther
twin delta
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it doesn't? says it's magic damage of arcane spells

patent willow
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I'd like chain lightning to have a little more range or change the animation. it's very unintentional and from the way it goes off you cannot tell if you hit anything or if you were too far away

twin delta
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could have a small spark cloud when it hits something

rose hollow
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this game is perfect balanced don't change it

stuck perch
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I agree, chain lightning feels too close quarters for something that has the chance of hurting you. Make the range 10m instead of 4, maybe increase the jump range too.

twin delta
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8m instead of 10, since that's enough to hit someone from a good distance

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a lot of these ranges feel like they're balanced around the skill where you can almost instantly cast a spell

void panther
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white are light spells

twin delta
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oh okay that makes sense

void panther
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and dark blue and light blue are lightning and water respectivly

stuck perch
uncut bloom
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Any chance for a toggle crouch?

twin delta
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so you'd need 10% to get the 50 threshold, or if it's a barb with rage/reckless strike i'm pretty sure that'd lean into it

void panther
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guy who said 50 was a cleric didnt say his gear but remember they have the HIGHEST BASE magic resist

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might have been wearing plate but still

hallow saffron
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i did say my gear, I had 107 magic resist,

void panther
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if that guy did 50 with zap im horrified of what he could have done with chain ligthning

hallow saffron
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with my 10 MR +2.3% MR reduction Chaperon, 20 MR Templar armour, -5 AR +1 Wil Heavy gaunts, -5 Plate pants -5 +1 all attri Plate boots im at 107 with 22.6% resist.

He broke my protection and took 50 hp with that zap.

void panther
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i should probs stop right here before they nerf wizard again

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zap is totally fine and balanced goodbye

hallow saffron
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kek, again wizard was in full blue gear I didnt read the stats cause I had a full inventory of sellables, mans was freaking stacked though

rose hollow
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metal conducts electricity, invest in leather

small gull
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is that actually the counter?

hallow saffron
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I like being able to not get oneshot by everything other then barb

void panther
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yeah build will for the magic resist

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wait a minute

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im not sure whether to take this a fact cause of translation things

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but fire mastery does not stipulate Fire spells when referring to the burn effect

small gull
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anyone else feel like players should have a bit more time in the goblin caves? Maybe I'm just slow but the layout can be kind of unforgiving when the circle is closing in

void panther
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and i have like 15 lanterns in my stash Joy2

void panther
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time seems just fine to me

stuck perch
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I'd like to be able to know how much damage my spells would have done before applying enemy spell resist.

hallow saffron
stuck perch
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It's not just that, it's also how long my buffs and debuffs are supposed to last.

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Training dummies don't help there.

small gull
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I swear to god every time i'm on that map I have to run through the room with the skele champ

twin delta
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if the map did a fade-in/fade-out on elevation shifts that'd be a good way to help navigate them, instead of it always being top-down highest elevation

small gull
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and there's always the red death beetles 😩

void panther
stuck perch
hallow saffron
void panther
small gull
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also fair, although I don't struggle as much on the castle map

hallow saffron
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so youd be able to math out how long the debuff lasts by how many ticks

small gull
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it's just harder on goblin caves bc everything takes more time to clear without a group

twin delta
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there isn't an active fade effect for elevation shift though, it's a brightness/darkness shift on the minimap

void panther
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omg im dumb

stuck perch
void panther
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the will stat doesnt affect your buff/debuffs on other people

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its how much it affects you

hallow saffron
void panther
hallow saffron
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says so right on the stat

void panther
stuck perch
void panther
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i was speaking duration all lightning spells, zap, and ice arrow dont have damage because they are new

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are you looking at the wizard spell section or the rogue skill list?

hallow saffron
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Will:"Increases your Spell Power, Improves Buff/Curse Duration and improves your base Magic Res"
Because casting a debuff doesnt have its own modifier it is combined under buff duration. This was a simple test with Clerics Judgement as an extra 2 seconds is easily noticeable on the hotbar of an ally (you can cast it on allies)

void panther
stuck perch
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Zap is a light spell, not a lightning spell.

void panther
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wasnt talking duration

stuck perch
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Yeah nothing has damage numbers except fireball, ignite and magic missile.

void panther
stuck perch
void panther
hallow saffron
void panther
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i know thats why i said before mitigation

hallow saffron
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well the math is the same

stuck perch
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Buff/debuff duration should take into account both the caster's and the target's buff duration (debuff reduction for the target).

void panther
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yeah i just dont know the bonus percentage to add before mitigation not sure

hallow saffron
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you take your buff duration bonus and do [30+(30x20/100)] which would be 36 seconds

void panther
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wait

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@hallow saffron are you saying my mitgation is the same as my bonus to MY spells?

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because it only says my mitigation in game

stuck perch
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It should be or buff type casters suck.

hallow saffron
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okay so if you look at your stats right the buff duration is how you calculate how much longer buffs apply to you AND how long of a debuff you apply to enemies

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debuff duration is how long debuffs apply to you

void panther
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ok so buff are my buffs and debuffs and debuff stat is just mitigation?

hallow saffron
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my debuff duration is -17%, debuffs on me are reduced by 17%.
Rogues have a starting debuff duration of 40% which increases how long debuffs last on them

faint ingot
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People who pretend to be friendly and then attack you are the worst people

void panther
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@hallow saffron i just want to know Before Mitigation how long Would my debuffs last if the will stat affects it

hallow saffron
void panther
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so my Debuffs scale based my my buff duration stat?

finite helm
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Did anybody already asked for 1x2, 2x1, 2x2 and 3x2 "gold'" items to worth more?

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Specially 2x2 and 3x2 (the scroll)

stuck perch
void panther
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I dont think it exists at all im pretty sure at this point it is ONLY mitigation stats

hallow saffron
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so My bless spell with a 21% buff duration is [30+(30x21/100)] =36
My Judgement spell with 35 damage and 2 second slow 21% buff duration and 52% MP bonusis [2+2x21/100)] = 2.4 second slow and [35+[35x52/100)] = 53 dmg

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wait i messed up

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for dmg I messed up one sec

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wait im dumb lemme fix everything

void panther
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damage uses a different stat

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but i get what you're saying you believe that there is a bonus before mitigation

hallow saffron
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yes and if I am wrong and debuffs you cast take from magic power they are even stronger and last even longer

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again its one of those things wed need a training room with a static log to test

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generally though stuff that ticks damage you can test debuff duration for as every tick = 1 second

void panther
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of fire mastery burn duration only affects fire spells just checked

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curse buff duration gonna have to go to a richer player

hallow saffron
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it does stipulate spells you cast

stuck perch
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Here I was hoping Fire mastery would affect zap...

void panther
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because i only see the text that talks about mitigation

hallow saffron
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one sec

void panther
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dont be afraid to dm me the pic

hallow saffron
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"Increases the magic damage of the fire spells damage by 5% and increases the duration of burn status by 2.5 seconds" Thats where it stipulates from spells

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if I am understanding it correctly

void panther
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oh you were talking about that

stuck perch
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If they made a perk for the wizard that increased the duration of buffs/debuffs by 15% or more, would you take it over things like faster cast speed?

void panther
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@hallow saffron look at arcane mastery and you can see how i thought fire was different

void panther
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if its how buffs affect? me double yes

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any wizard that hits a speed fountain knows true power

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i was thought since it didnt say "fire spells" for a second time i could do zany things like throw a molotov and have them burn for days

hallow saffron
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Well Arcane Mastery Stipulates magic damage of arcane spells by 5% and reduced casting by 1 second for arcane spells while fire mastery stipulates fire spells and burn status duration. Id assume that includes zaps burn but not a molotov as those arent spells. cant apply spell mastery to something you dont cast

void panther
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either way I checked with zap it only did 1 tick whilst fireball got the buff from the perk

hallow saffron
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interesting

void panther
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they should add an "on fire" visual effect

tardy zinc
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I dont que into Goblin caves with mates but if i see a situation where either not attackin eachother is more useful than attackin and or a situation calls for a short teaming against another player or enemy i will do it lol

lost leaf
tardy zinc
void panther
hallow saffron
void panther
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now i actually have to use meditation

sinful patio
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is the game able to play on low end pcs

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?

tardy zinc
void panther
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bro whyd they even hit light orb?

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how am i going to counter rogues now?

tardy zinc
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idk im a fighter so git gud ig xD

valid vine
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Check corners if u chase enemy team

void panther
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was more of a joke (like the light orb spell)

deft zenith
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who tf suggested the nerf to wizard

elder quest
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A lot of people I've played with this play test complained and wanted wizard nerfed, thought they're fine tho or maybe to balance that they start with 20 memory now?

tardy zinc
opaque thorn
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Y'all really not a fan of having your gold stored separately to save space? 👀

elder quest
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Stilleto attack#3 gonna hurt a lot tho dang

shrewd lantern
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i think they need remove invisibility from wizzard

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its to broken

tardy zinc
pearl heath
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Dark and Darker need some deeper combat mechanics to increase the skillceiling & skill floor, the game currently is a literally a dps check with multiple people commiting in a fight. Its all about hitting head and manipulate the hitbox slightly to dodge head hits.

shrewd lantern
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they need o balance game around solo not groups and all be good

hallow saffron
tardy zinc
wary shell
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does anyone know if cleric's judgement ability scales with stats?

shrewd lantern
hallow saffron
glacial sphinx
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Its a terrible nerf, its just gonna amplify the stupid part of wizard and nerf the fun parts. Basically nerfing already terrible solo PVE so you can buff bot a barb. Magic missile stupid scaling not addressed, barb scaling with haste not addressed. But now you can't even kill people or mobs in starter gear without emptying every single spell slot you have.

tardy zinc
shrewd lantern
tardy zinc
void panther
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@hallow saffron whats the approximate health disparity between a goblin and a skeleton? dont need exact numbers just your best guess swing wise

ebon bone
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Lets get a solo / grp Testing ground ( like joining Tavern und using the dummys to test dmg whit grp or solo )

pearl heath
jovial swan
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So I've posted another suggestion on the board, this time a unique on at that.

half cobalt
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I'm excited that they added Elves - but I think they need to make them look more Elven. I posted the suggestion, what do you guys think?

jovial swan
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Which is giving weapons the ability to pierce objects starting at Green tier weapons.

hallow saffron
void panther
jovial swan
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For objects.

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Not for people.

granite sky
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Why nerf wizard when barb is dominating?

jovial swan
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No weapon in this game can pierce an object.

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My suggestion would allow multiple weapons to be able to do that.

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So instead of hitting 3 vases 3 times, you can instead hit all 3 at once.

void panther
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nvm then yeah that could work could scale based on the weapons attack power thats at the bottom of the stat list. Good suggestion @jovial swan

granite sky
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Wizards can no longer out run barb btw…. So nerfing then basically makes them free meat to barbs and less threat to them to just charge your face… any thoughts guys ?

jovial swan
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It'd also go up between 1 to 3 piercing power.

hallow saffron
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weapon impact changes how fast things break no? a 4 impact weapon breaks things faster then a 2 impact weapon

jovial swan
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So if you have 1 piercing, you go through one object before stopping at another.

void panther
jovial swan
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If you have 3 piercing, you go through three before stopping at the fourth.

void panther
hallow saffron
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I like the idea but this aint bloons td kek

jovial swan
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I mean, you're hitting pots.

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As super strong people, with very big weapons.

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Some of which are known to go through shit like this without stopping.

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You're telling me a simple terracotta pot can stop a giant hammer swinging horizontally?

pearl heath
granite sky
# void panther ? elaborate

Wizards are slower now, with haste applied cant out run a barb who is also sped up using his ability. Just devs looks at the leader boards is filled with barbs just dominating the dungeon… it’s disgustingly unbalanced barbs are just charging 1 tapping, wizards use to be a threat to them brainlessly charging now wizards are free meat to charge at

void panther