suggestion-discussion

[serene cloud]

only having two US based servers it also a negative. I cant play a single match with out shuddering issues

[mighty silo]

Perhaps I worded it incorrectly, I feel like the ring shouldn't just outright kill you even if you have full HP. There's a reason every Battle Royal has ring damage and not a timer on when you die in ring. I understand trying to be unique but its very frustrating healing yourself after a fight, running from ring and than dying anyways because you were in ring too long.

Especially dying infront of a portal that you just unlocked

[lusty wren]

Its not a BR its an extraction game

and most extractors have a time limit

It shares almost every aspect of a extractor. And shares only one part of a BR.

I do agree it frustrated me at first, but then I started paying attn to it lol

I wanted it changed until it grew on me

[woven barn]

Add more voice channels

[woven barn]

why not

[lusty wren]

Were you here for last PT when they did it?

It crashed the discord over and over

to much demand

So if you get what you want you essentially have a non working discord

[celest berry]

Private servers to practice with friends would be fun

[neat swift]

I think the timer for the first ring could be expanded a bit, like 20-30s at most. Takes time to clear out a room and usually I don't feel like I had time to do anything but clear a path to the next area. But other than that ring should definitely stay, maps have WAY too may crevices and hiding spots to leave the whole thing open at all times

[neat swift]

This especially. Honestly the normal queue should be low risk, low reward or no risk, no reward, instead of high risk, low reward. It's soooo tedious as it is right now

[stoic osprey]

why are weapons reach so inconsitent, like i'm getting out ranged when using a 2 handed axe by people with short swords?

[neat swift]

Like, I just wanna play the game, and it really feels like you're not allowed to do that for your first 10 hours since you're gonna make ds progress until you get better at it

[lusty wren]

Normal queue is 0 risk if you want it to be what you mean?

You get free gear everytime you start

[neat swift]

How do you figure it's 0 risk?

[lusty wren]

0 risk

[neat swift]

I mean sure but then you're JUST playing with starting gear, which is kinda boring

Personally I like the RuneScape wilderness system where you get to keep 1-3 items on death

[lusty wren]

I dunno man, im not even very good but my stash is full already

[neat swift]

Idk just somewhere to actually experiment with things beyond just starting gear without having hours of work get tanked if you fuck up would be really nice

[lusty wren]

Gear is very easy once you learn the game

it comes and goes

Just gotta break thru that early learning curve

[neat swift]

And like I said, very low reward, definitely not somewhere you could go in with high gear and just shit on people and leave with a mountain of treasure

[lusty wren]

I do agree some form of practive mode would probably go a long way

How is it low reward?

I am running around in all purples already just from the norm dungeon

Easily rake in 100+ gold each run

Are you filling your inventory with whites/greys? Id suggest only picking up good gear and trinkets

nothing else

[neat swift]

Im less than 10 hours tbf

And legit I've never seen anything above green except for 1 blue necklace

[lusty wren]

are you breaking barrels and vases?

best shit I find comes from vases and zombie bodies and barrels

[neat swift]

Didn't think vases could drop good loot, Ill try that next time

[lusty wren]

Jewelry drops alot on the bats

[celest berry]

It would be nice if the leveling system also gave you points you could assign to different stats

[neat swift]

All enemies I always loot but Ive never seen anything beyond a green halberd

[lusty wren]

If anything focus on trinkets. (gems sacrifical daggers etc) and buy your gear

[neat swift]

I think really it's just the same issue as every game in this genre, the new player experience is just... non-existent

[woeful hornet]

I've only had a couple hours in but I've found a few blues. It's a bit easier to find with Ranger than other classes since PvE is a lot safer

[white cliff]

You have some strong opinions for someone with such low playtime.

[neat swift]

...I do?

[scarlet oar]

Troll King lair needs its own escape portal, currently it's a bit hellish to get out in time

[neat swift]

I just have opinions on what the experience is like for a new player... because Im a new player lmfao.

Very "we live in a society" moment

[bronze hedge]

Anakin if you don’t play 12 hours a day you don’t get an opinion my brother

Didn’t you hear?

[lusty wren]

Who said a day? Its clear he is very experienced. Its not a bad thing just a statement of fact.

[lusty wren]

I feel that, just keep pushing man you will break thru the glass and will enjoy it all the more once you do because of the struggle

[bronze hedge]

I like being sarcastic about people who are weirdos in the chat

Like the guy who said that to anakin

[neat swift]

Yeah I mean, I'm enjoying the core gameplay and I like the direction

[white cliff]

I don’t feel like that was a weird statement?

[neat swift]

My gripes outside of the NPE are totally invalid cause they're just things that amount to "it's not finished yet" lol

[bronze hedge]

It’s a little weird to think someone having too low of a playtime means they can’t have strong opinions on the experience. I get it if you boot up the game and die in one dungeon and go “yeah game sucks needs to be fixed” but this community feels real gatekeepy

[neat swift]

More like "you can't complain about being a plumber, you're a plumber!" xP It's fine tho I aint buggin

[bronze hedge]

At the end of the day none of it matters, they’re making a great game and like most media, you have a better time if you ignore most of the fan base

[median owl]

I know its alpha still and testing but its a joke how 90% of people have shield and are unkillable

[bronze hedge]

I never use my shield for pvp, if you smack me I left click until you kill me

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[opaque echo]

The new trading post filters are super awesome but I'd enjoy another channel for just all gear & weapons, specific channels are also good but annoying if I'm selling a bunch of stuff across classes

[normal wadi]

Anyone one else think they should make duo caves ?

[jovial swan]

I had a brilliant suggestion idea.

-A new health status bar for Protection HP.

If anyone wants to throw that out, too, be my guest.

[white cliff]

Trust me they tried a a few channels where you can link anything, you want the specificity.

[opaque echo]

im aware of how it used to work, the filters work just fine for specifying stuff

[craggy gate]

No

[opaque echo]

if you want to buy/sell specifically lets say range gear you go to ranger channel, if you have a bunch of stuff from multi class you can sell it in all channel

[late ore]

More blue portals are needed on the goblin cave, or more time. I make it to the end almost every time, but never find a portal on that map, always end up eaten by the darkness as the final circle closes on me

It happens so much that I wonder if blue portals even spawn

[keen sage]

please add more blue portals to high roller, not a lot of people want to go down its very annoying

[upbeat flare]

Please add more gem armor in the services for the barbarian.

[waxen garnet]

Any plans to nerf barbarian? Barbian is pretty broke.

[final pagoda]

I'm genuinely curious, does anyone know why a lot of the, "don't use a unique name system" suggestions are being heavily down voted? I can't really think of a reason why it would be a negative to allow people to use whatever name they choose for their characters, and instead have their character names tied to a unique player ID. This is of course, not discussing circumventing name filters to allow players to use slurs and such.

[ruby canyon]

goblin mage makes no footstep sounds must be a bug

[river trench]

I hope they will chsnge spawn system to old one...new one destroyed fun from game tbh

[bronze hedge]

What did they change with spawns?

[river trench]

Last time everyone spawned in rooms at end of themap, more climatic. Now its like fornite busdrop

Emg404 hard to explain better

And now its sucks so bad i dont wanna play anymore😐 i think last one was also more "nb friendly"

[fickle gorge]

I miss the outer map spawns. This new spawn ish is not enjoyable. Literally get spawned in areas with mobs with me

[rancid pebble]

because then it will be like overwatch where you see the same 100 dumb names

[final pagoda]

I can definitely see your point, but I don't understand how that is a big negative when the alternative will leave people having to make longer and more ridiculous names like. StabbyMcStabbers7384962748 haha. I know there are many people like myself who form attachments to their characters and progression because of the names they choose for their character. Names have and give meaning to people's character. Like I'll definitely laugh if someone who likes using goofy names clap my cheeks but having a system that doesn't restrict your name uniquely on a global scale doesn't prevent someone from making interesting and funny character names.

[rancid pebble]

I simply just get creative and find names that relate to my classic IGN, shouldnt be too hard of an issue

If they add a friend system then it would make sense for them to have a # with numbers associated

[late ore]

ALE should last 20 seconds instead of 15

[lyric creek]

CAN WE REDUCE NUMBER OF NPCS IN SOLO MODE

[quaint isle]

Can we all agree that cleric need a one hand-secondary hand relique to cast his spell instead of switching to a wizard staff on the back?

[rich perch]

Anyone else playing ranged getting outraged by the movement speed debuff upon taking physical damage. Feels impossible to live if anyone hits you once.

[final pagoda]

Great point about adding a friend list. Having accounts with unique IDs tied to them and all characters falling under that ID would work really well. Instead of having each character have a unique ID.

Getting creative is definitely a way to push through the current system, but I feel it's too restrictive. We can't use spaces or alternative characters like ōõö. Correct me if I'm wrong but these names aren't just limited to whatever server you play on they are global right? Even in this playtest alone. We are seeing concurrent users reaching close to if not more than 100k at some points. I just think overall the current system isn't very sustainable once the game launches.

I know many people aren't like me, but maybe some are and though my character names aren't common they eventually get taken. And my characters name is important to me. I have a small handful I like to use and if they aren't available it really hampers my investment into them/the game over all. Lost Ark had a similar naming system and within the first hour of launch across multiple servers most of my names were taken and it killed my motivation to play. To the point I wasn't invested in my character or the game after hours of trying to get a name that wasn't taken. But by that point the name was so far outside my comfort zone it had completely killed any desire I had to actually play it. I know this is a personal anecdote and the majority of people probably aren't as heavily invested in their characters name as I am, but I feel like if it matters at all and doesn't negatively impact other players then why not have a more inclusive system so that people can get attached to their characters. The more people we can get playing the more interesting the games will be. Sorry for the long post. I genuinely enjoy discussing things and hearing other people's perspectives.

[shell thistle]

movement collision stinks

[upbeat pewter]

Its a support spell. Its not meant for getting you away. Cast it to lock down a running enemy and they just die. You should have allies to peel enemies off you

[jovial swan]

So I see green bars and blue bars beside the suggestions. Do green bars mean that the team's considering them?

[rocky oar]

does troll boss regen isntantly when outside boss room?

[white cliff]

Yeah, like the other bosses.

[jovial swan]

I feel like combined queue shouldn't be a thing.

Or perhaps they prioritize queues for the role you're selecting.

So if you're going solo queue, a system should be made where it prioritizes you play against other solo queuers.

Anyway, my current suggestion is up and for people wondering...

Yes, it works like Resident Evil's item position swapping.

[scarlet plaza]

I think this is likely to be implemented, as it's a QoL that pretty much every software device uses.

I voted yea on it

I posted regarding a much later on addition to the game to flesh out the world and characters with a co-op story mode that doesn't share progression with the PvP gameplay, but exists as a separate piece of content

[formal mason]

Please god please, get rid of the traps. THEY RUIN THE GAMe

[scarlet plaza]

They do require a rework. And I'm sure that they'll get one as they look like placeholders. But removing them takes far too much insecurity away from some classes.

Classes with lesser frontal defense rely on traps and bad lighting to screw over more aggressive classes/players

[small gull]

only trap that frustrates me are the wall traps, and I think that's just a game awareness thing. Eventually you will know where they are

[zenith flame]

Solo lobbies shouldn't have same loot quality drop chances as team lobbies' normal level, team hell level loot quality drop chances seem to have been nerfed when they didn't need to be.

[scarlet plaza]

@tawny knoll I'll upvote your suggestion if you change it to custom lobbies allowing multiple groups with no stash gains.

[scarlet plaza]

When you OOF, and you AAGH, and then you FFFF, dead. Damned spikes! So funny

[small gull]

lmfao yep, then 10 seconds later I forget it's there and walk through it again

[scarlet plaza]

That's what I'm sayingggg. Every damn time!

[small gull]

yep xD I wish you could toggle crouch instead of holding it down so I can just walk everywhere like that

imma suggest it

[native fox]

Isn’t toggle C?

[small gull]

oh is it?

[native fox]

I was very confused when I hit it on accident

[zenith flame]

It's very annoying to get used to the map changes between playtests, while also having random chances at even being on the same map. The map changes will likely drastically reduce when the game releases though.

[small gull]

Yeah that's fair, it seems to be a pretty different map from the first playtest. I think I liked the original map more

I hear you though. The wall traps are hilariously frustrating

[river trench]

Yee, old one got good vibes. Also it was more dungeon like experience

[zenith flame]

They went from mm6 maps to skyrim maps 😩

[scarlet plaza]

Y'all aren't ready. We need log traps and alligators! Pungee sticks and trip-wires, water buckets on doors, and oil for the slip'n'slide. I want these mofos feeling like Marv from home alone!

[small gull]

first map felt more fun idk, like I could swear there were more passageways and secret tunnels and things to interact with

but this map looks better aesthetically

they are using a very good asset pack I used to mess around with :P

[rocky oar]

Bro

Freaking trade not working again

what in the hell

[left sparrow]

I think the Cleanse spell of the Cleric should remove more than Magical Effect like poisons and such

[latent terrace]

You should add a group up flagging system in game so people know who they can invite to their party if they are not using discord.

[scarlet plaza]

@sharp heron bro what the heck is that last suggestion?

Either I'm misinterpreting it or you're suggesting people are penalised for playing well?

[hallow saffron]

I believe he is suggesting that someone who teamkills allies multiple times gets char wiped. I think they mis worded it

[scarlet plaza]

@hallow saffron if you could be able to enter the tavern in your squad as a pre-lobby-lobby

[scarlet plaza]

That ... Is more reasonable. Repeat offenses made by different players from different groups a player took part in (to avoid grief reporting)

Alternatively, a stat sheet for all stats could work for grouping up with anons. Checking ally kills

Comparing ally kills to games played would allow people that care to determine a % risk

[hallow saffron]

yeah I was thinking more along the lines of a training room thing that is solo entrance only that you could test spells/weapons on. Would be able to see damage numbers just like the taverns training dummy, only difference being you can see healing numbers on the dummy as well. Would be a nice way to test if your damage spell as a cleric does more then 100 damage to undead, if heals are higher then 15/30, etc.

[scarlet plaza]

Yeah, and if it could also have a combat log for that mode, that would be beautiful for taking note of the readout in a history format.

[hallow saffron]

^

[small gull]

would love to have a combat log or at least hit value indicators so I know how much damage is being dealt against them

[scarlet plaza]

I can understand not giving indicators. In milsim style games it's important not to give the killer the feeling of certainty. I think that feeling carries over well into this setting. Did that hit land? I'm not sure... But! If wounds bled onto surfaces???? That would be amazing as a way to confirm hits if you chase a person.

[small gull]

I do see the appeal of not knowing if someone is one hit from death or not

that's a really cool idea though with the blood

maybe at least a ranger could have a perk for tracking players like this

and the blood disappears after a while

[scarlet plaza]

Imagine piercing weapons had that function? But if a person uses bandage the wound stops trailing

And if you're hit with a slashing or piercing attack there's a spatter of blood on surfaces behind you

[small gull]

would be fun to see more blood spatter in general, feels more like a battlefield

dismemberment maybe haha

[surreal mantle]

If you're injured beyond a certain percentage you could leave a blood trail. This can be stopped with bandages for x time till you bleed through it until you heal above the threshold and the bleed stops

[scarlet plaza]

Somebody did suggest dismemberment. I think that would fit perfectly into this game where the gravity of 2h attacks is really felt by both parties

[small gull]

makes things harder for rogues and solo players though, basically any class or person who needs to be stealthy

I'd love to chop people's heads off

[scarlet plaza]

Yeah maybe. Sticking to blood spatter on impact, and blood trail on bleed effects.

[small gull]

so far my biggest frustration is when I get backed into a corner by mobs and can't do anything to get out

like the spiders blocked the door once and I couldn't get out xD dieded

[hallow saffron]

I mean there is a distinct sound effect when your hits land even at range. I shot someone accidentally through a doors window and only knew I hit because of the sound of arrow penetrating flesh

[scarlet plaza]

Tsk tsk.. there's a method quite famed in the call of duty zombies scene, that works very well for ai in this game.

[small gull]

oh? I know it's mostly my fault for bad positioning but I got trapped between like 5 mobs lol and it was a clusterfk

[scarlet plaza]

That might be bugged btw. I've heard that sound for distant static models being hit

[hallow saffron]

ive missed arrows at same range and didnt have a hit sound effect. might be bugged but im p sure it aint.

[scarlet plaza]

Yeah imagine you're drawing a snake with your feet when fighting ai. Always try to avoid going back to the tail of the snake, but leaving room to keep slivering 😂

[small gull]

that's a good tip lol thanks :D I've sorta been kiting them like I learned in WoW :o

and circling them

[scarlet plaza]

Only problem with WoW kiting is that collision isn't treated like a game of tag, if you understand. So the idea of cheesing every little bit of breathing room isn't paramount. But in zombies for example, if you go too close you'll die fast, and if you go too far, enemies close the gap over a wider area which will blanket your freedom away from you. Gotta be greedy about your personal space

[small gull]

Yeah I get what you mean. I try not to waste too much time in between dodging and attacking

especially the ones with fart clouds in tight quarters lol

[jaunty scaffold]

I should be able to ignite those clouds by throwing a torch

[small gull]

that's a good idea bc they last forever and are super annoying

[scarlet plaza]

Damn I hate it when they belch. Annoying little shits...

[scarlet plaza]

Word!

[jaunty scaffold]

You can get rid of the belch, but it makes noise and might hurt you. Good trade off

[scarlet plaza]

Sacrifice a torch by throwing it at, I'd think. That's a fair trade. Since they can just belch again anyway. But being too close to the explosion would be .. ill advised.

[sharp heron]

team killers should be nuked out the game if theyre doing it over and over to people red name isnt enough as its an ego cosmetic towards people who play with irl friends

[jaunty scaffold]

I really like some aspects of how Hunt: Showdown handles PvE trade offs. You always have an option to mitigate annoyances, but it’s usually dangerous and draws attention

[sharp heron]

idk how something so simple was misinterpreted any other way

[scarlet plaza]

Yeah I get it. As I said under, it would be best to add profile stats so that players could just check ally kills versus games played to determine if a person is a flight risk. They should be penalised though.

[jaunty scaffold]

Or just pair them together and let the wolves sort it out

[scarlet plaza]

Since the suggestion was few words, it wasn't easy to understand the angle, is all. I thought team kills meant killing an entire enemy team

[sharp heron]

i mean just character deletion is enough, imagine trolling people on a test just to 1 shot people once they load in imagine a new player theyd be gone instantly

oh fair enough yeh i can see how they woulda came out confusing now

that*

[small gull]

Yeah I agree it's up to the devs to implement something that minimizes toxic behavior as much as possible. There are several games I quit constantly bc the people just suck so bad

[sharp heron]

here come play with me and my friend hes cleric we will go mine so its fun

quick class switch to barb load in

[jaunty scaffold]

That won’t stop griefers. They’ll keep making new characters just to team kill. I think matching those types together is a decent enough trade off, but there’s already a karma mechanic added to the game

[sharp heron]

1 shot to the brain gg

[scarlet plaza]

We gotta be precise on this. What should it cost a person for killing allies? Where do we draw the line? If we use a % then we can bracket people. Have you ever ordered an Uber? They use a star-rating to pair drivers to customers. That could work.

[sharp heron]

red name wont even save there

[small gull]

Could do a debuff that prevents them from picking up the gear, but that sucks for people who accidently kill their friends

[sharp heron]

just nuke them out the game

[jaunty scaffold]

Seems drastic

[sharp heron]

obviously a 1/3 strike system could be implemented but clearly tking and accidently killing is a big line of difference

[scarlet plaza]

2 things to consider here. Let's say that people are queued only with people in A) similar amount of games played, B) similar amount of [allies killed/2 * games played]

I think that wouldn't be a bad start

[sharp heron]

then youd have to change the queue system

anyways if it was upto me theyd be nuked uptoo anyone else that suggests different ima be bias and assume ur a tker

[scarlet plaza]

The queue system would also have to consider "skill" anyway. And then it would also need to consider priority.

[small gull]

Maybe if you deal x amount of damage in x amount of time to a friendly player you are automatically kicked from the dungeon. So an accidental hit wouldn't kick friends but someone straight up trying to murder their friend would get removed

[scarlet plaza]

It's a hard cast. Nuking is risky because you need to draw a moral line.

The issue with kicking for that @small gull is that you might be griefing your own friends, and if you aren't reporting it as a problem because of that, then justice should not be so severe.

I'm just advocating here, though

[small gull]

I'm just brainstorming

[scarlet plaza]

Yeah I feel you

[hallow saffron]

this wouldnt work. I have accidentally almost one shot my allies with arrows and magic before

[slate tartan]

The devs have stated that team killing is a part of the game, using the discord to party up and kill people is against discord rules but in game party finder is a free for all

[small gull]

yeah that wouldn't help much for the one shot stuff

that's also fair and realistic I suppose. Like you can't trust everyone you meet xD but it's a problem if the toxicity turns players away

idk how often it happens bc I've never tried queing with randoms

[scarlet plaza]

I firmly believe that a stat for ally kills, a stat for games played, and a stat for extraction % should be used to bracket the "moral quality" of a player. This would seperate the innocent from the sinister rather fast.

[hallow saffron]

I personally havent run into any TK players when I was going solo party finding. THen again I have teamkilled before cause of a lootgoblin yoinking my cleric items >:C

[slate tartan]

They like the added layer of mystery, can you trust this person blah blah, if you find good people try add them so you can team more often and stay away from the party finder if you're having nothing but grief

[small gull]

I can see the appeal behind that. And yeah maybe you'd go on an adventure with someone and they're greedy, so you decide to take it for yourself :P emergent gameplay. But it still sucks that the toxic players want to ruin it for others

[scarlet plaza]

Holy hell the solo dungeon is so good for this. Ran into two guys, in which all 3 of us just stood there thinking .. ok... Who's move is it... We all parted ways without a fight. Was sooooo tense.

[small gull]

I like the idea about players having a humanity stat or moral quality

[slate tartan]

I get that, it would be nice to know what you're getting yourself into 😂

[small gull]

lmao that happens to me all the time, like I got my loot and don't wanna risk losing it 😂

[scarlet plaza]

Morality and "legality" is a super important concept. Even if it's not an implemented game mechanic. Look at Dungeons & Dragons. It works.

[radiant shale]

why cant i use twink in my name

[small gull]

it wouldn't let me use lezzy so I'm guessing it's pretty strict about language

[scarlet plaza]

This guy literally just watched me invis into a wall and break my invis, then he goes "nice" and just walks away. So humiliating ...

[radiant shale]

1984

[small gull]

lmfao that's hilarious

[small gull]

are you referencing george orwell? xD

[jaunty scaffold]

As for my suggestion, I really like the combat. I just feel that constant jump/crouching is indicative of players exploring ways to avoid damage. Prefect parry might allow attacks to speed up a bit and shouldn’t be difficult to implement programmatically. I just feel that it would be a bit more realistic/immersive than the floaty jump/crouch meta

[scarlet plaza]

It's probably because you can't self identify as a fridge magnet if it hurts somebody else's feelings.

[sharp heron]

if thats the case watch out for my new character

tkonly

[radiant shale]

jorjor well

[scarlet plaza]

Yessssss!!!! I quit league for this reason btw.

[slate tartan]

Everyone can jump crouch though, parrying would be limited, you can't parry a felling axe with a rondel

[jaunty scaffold]

I’m a UX designer though, so my brain goes in that direction automatically.

[radiant shale]

because of goerge orwell?

[scarlet plaza]

Because of the premise of the book

[small gull]

talkin about people not being able to have free speech anymore?

[scarlet plaza]

And because of changes to Riots rules on language

[hallow saffron]

there is a parrying dagger but a good parry mechanic option would be to rely on the hit impact of the weapon.

[scarlet plaza]

I flipped them the bird and quit all their software

[hallow saffron]

yeah you can be punished in league for saying champions quotes to often or Ok too often as it "does not provide meaningful information/communication to the game"

[jaunty scaffold]

Give weapons a new integer for mass and have that determine something on the backend.

[small gull]

Last Oasis has an incredible directional based combat system that I think would work very well for this game. Directional combat is not very user friendly though

[radiant shale]

i stopped playing league bc its stinkyyyy 🤢🤢🤢

[slate tartan]

That simple huh lol

[jaunty scaffold]

A rondel is a glorified ice pick irl, but a buckler is little more than a pot lid

[scarlet plaza]

For combat mechanics regarding jumping, spam attacking, and crouch spam.. they should do what counter strike did. Make the effect of the function grow weaker.

[jaunty scaffold]

Main gauche comes to mind for a dagger

[scarlet plaza]

I can't stand how rogues can just run you over like a steam train with attacks if you can't retaliate.

[radiant shale]

throw a lantern at your feet

[hallow saffron]

just wait for the rogue to be blessed and be provided divine strike. +3 % damage and attack speed and a +20 to EVERY. SINGLE. STAB.

[jaunty scaffold]

I consider this game closer to Hunt: Showdown and Mordhau than CS. Hopefully it doesn’t develop the community issues that Mordhau did though

[scarlet plaza]

Piticus please... No more..

[scarlet plaza]

I only meant for the punishment of jumping. Forcing the overuse of jump to yield smaller jumps.

[small gull]

still haven't learned how to counter things like that without a shield

how do you move out of the way of a rogue that can move faster than you

[mighty jackal]

whats the going rate on candy?

[jaunty scaffold]

I sorta like that it’s an option. I just feel that speeding up the attacks punished that a bit more, while a perfect parry mechanic of some sort would provide a twitchier option for damage mitigation

[hallow saffron]

you think you hurt that rogue? Oh hes back to full hp thanks to his cleric and another protection shield and maybe a santuary to back up into. Oh you wanna focus the Cleric? Too bad he has 20-30% damage reduction, 100+ HP and a mace or quarter staff that does 40+ damage.

[jaunty scaffold]

The perfect parry mechanicals I’m referring to would probably need to be paired with faster melee in general to work

[scarlet plaza]

I'm going to squash your head with a house brick

Anybody want some Piticus grape juice

Parry mecha would be beautiful if they nailed the frames correctly.

[small gull]

no thanks, I'd rather die to the wall trap I got hit by 10 seconds ago that I immediately forgot about

[hallow saffron]

🤷 sorry ima cleric main. I gotta cheese my combats with buffs and stat dumped gear

[scarlet plaza]

What wall trap Carlotta... It's all in your head. Walk back that way.. I think I saw coins on that body you already checked...

[small gull]

lmao I see a shiny coin on the ground and get a spike through my head for the fifth time

[scarlet plaza]

Fr

[small gull]

maybe someday I'll learn

[hallow saffron]

crouch and stare and the ground, tends to help me even in the maze

[scarlet plaza]

Anyone else crack up when they die and their head goes full-bobble head down a staircase????

[small gull]

I'll have to keep an eye out for it lol, haven't seen that yet

I'm prob too busy throwing a tantrum bc I died

[scarlet plaza]

The death cam makes me laugh

[small gull]

there's a death cam?

[scarlet plaza]

It makes me think it'd be perfect on a skateboarding game, falling off a board and tumbling.

Not a replay death cam

Just that you maintain your head cam viewport when you die, so you get to see your cheese hit the deck

[small gull]

oh lmao yeah

[frank arch]

Adventurer's Guild Insurance has been suggested 😛 take your take to check it out and let me know what u think

[jovial swan]

I think they need to killswitch and rework the Trading Post.

Like I'll make a suggestion to rework the Trading Post to an alternative, better solution, because my word.

My game forced me to reset my PC once I went into a post.

Game crashed, couldn't do anything.

[arctic trench]

I would like to suggest that they make a PvE mode where you all work together to clear the dungeon and then you would all be sent to fight a boss at the end of it, so you could end up with a big group battling a big boss like if this was an actual dungeons and dragons game

feel like the pvp is just a major downside to this game

[surreal mantle]

That's wow

[arctic trench]

still would be cooler than the pvp aspect of the game

[surreal mantle]

The pvp is a core part of the game though

[jovial swan]

Speaking of PvP or PvE, there is something that I do want to suggest later on that would be very interesting when this game releases its fullest state.

Something I feel would make for an incredibly cool little mode for people.

[simple helm]

I'd argue that their is no seperating the two

[real trellis]

A single accidental hit from a barbarian using an appropriately heavy weapon will deal more damage than any threshold you can imagine.

Like, before my friend figured out not to stand to my front right while I'm using a zwei, he got clipped for like 80% of his health on a rogue

[small gull]

yeah, was kinda just brainstorming there but it's not an ideal workaround because of that

sucks that the TKs gotta ruin it for everyone else

[real trellis]

a "# of hits per time period" check would be similarly unhelpful because if I really wanted to kill my teammate it would only take one hit in most cases

The Karma system is... fine

I haven't pubbed yet tho

[surreal mantle]

Would be nice if we could purchase a surgery kit from the surgeon.
Also maybe a single slot that if you die the item comes back with you, but you have to open your inventory to interact with it while in the dungeon.

[little shard]

This game need extra account wide Stash much like Diablo 2 Resurrected.

I'm trading my gear via frieds anyways, alternatively too much of a hassle to play alts from scratch.

[shrewd lantern]

some1 make Suggestion to remove spider XD

[odd ice]

Or make sending to alts cost money but less than trading

[storm warren]

plsplspls make the hitbox on pearlnecklaces bigger its annoying to pick them up

[wicked depot]

Did a real marketplace will see the day ?

[fading kiln]

How do I join the playtest?

[wicked depot]

Steam

[fading kiln]

Do you mean the "Demo" Version?

[twin arrow]

do devs look at suggestions?

[hallow saffron]

yes they do

[twin arrow]

ahk

My suggestion was cleric should have spell book baseline instead of the staff

makes more sense lore wise and the spell book gives clerics exactly what they want when playing a supportish playstyle

or just in general gameplay

[errant dawn]

Thoughts on a pve mode I wanna know what other people think

[lost tulip]

ive been just saving up gold, last playtest i saved like 7k and didnt even spend it, what are you guys spending your gold on?

[errant dawn]

Unique items in trader

[storm python]

definitely a cool setting for it might be smth for the far future tho

[errant dawn]

Just go to trade chat and get some crazy gear and have fun

[lost tulip]

okok gonna stop hoarding

[young zealot]

.suggest, more healing opportunities

[mighty prawn]

Would there be a rework on the footstep perk of Rogue?

[storm python]

can i only submit one suggestion ?

[shrewd lantern]

Cave trolls now drop ‘Troll’s Blood’. hmm did any1 even killed him ?

[fading kiln]

Is the playtest the Steam Demo version?

[ruby trellis]

yes

[fading kiln]

Thanks a lot

[potent egret]

Simplify graphics,

[gleaming kettle]

Please add a bunch more maps on launch, a pvp only arena with a ladder, add more classes, and most importantly speed it up a tinyyyyyyyy bit so combats more fun to watch and be a part of. Currently combats ok, we need greatness!
(Games going to be great though if you listen to your community on the suggestions, I suggest data mining your discord, then creating a list of most commented suggestions)

Rust listened to their community, and look at them 10 years running still a great game with super active players, spending tons of money all the time on skins etc.

I suggest taking a look at last oasis, their combat system was the best part of their game, you could control how the weapon was swung using your camera, this would help a lot for some interesting pvp. Instead of just feeling like who can click better wins, it would be a bit more skill based.

[wise vine]

I feel like we need to give rogues some kind of baseline utility such as starting with Lockpicks so they don't have to sacrifice their main DPS options to make use of their class features. The current state of Rogue is that Wizard makes a better sneaking class due to being able to move while invisible AND hasted, and getting a larger payoff when they successfully get the drop on their opponent.

[granite plinth]

lockpick is a sacrifice

better loot for less combat utility

[wise vine]

Everyone benefits from their opponents being unaware of them, dealing double damage and some poison on a weapon thats baseline is like 14 feels like absolute garbage compared to fireballing/igniting your weapon

[granite plinth]

ill be honest

beginner Rogue gear is garbage

[wise vine]

having your sneak attack split across 5 perks feels horrible

[granite plinth]

get yourself a rapier and a short sword

then youll murder people in 2-3 hits

[sturdy spear]

opinions on longsword block?

[granite plinth]

its a gamble

[sturdy spear]

yeah it's like getting a legendary item from a chest

truly a gamble

[granite plinth]

its either useless

or you kill a barb instantly with it

[wise vine]

I don't have a problem with there being sacrifices made for utility, i'm saying that sacrificing even one of the damage options on rogue feels like a death sentence because your baseline damage is already so bad that swapping off anything for one of the utility perks is tantamount to dropping down a tier of weapon

[sturdy spear]

killing a barb instantly? you probably had a legendary long sword or else there's no mechanical way of killing a barb like that

[verbal marsh]

I been destroying people on my fighter, so fun

[hallow saffron]

rogue can deal a deceptive amount of damage. I have seen daggers that have 30 damage, plus poison, plus bleed, plus backstab, plus any other bonus damage their items give. Also there are quite a few static lockpick drops on the map

[granite plinth]

the riposte ability deals absurd damage

[sturdy spear]

barb's weapons need a slight weapon damage nerf

i die in two hits while in full rare heavy armor

this shit is not fair

he doesn't even HS me

[granite plinth]

barbarian is the sole reason

why shields exist

[hallow saffron]

and ranger

[wise vine]

its nothing to do with what is and isnt on the map, you can say they have no healing but can find potions, ect.
I'm saying your classes functionality shouldn't rely on randomly stumbling across something good and should feel good to play even without being decked out

most classes do

[granite plinth]

shield up against a barb

[errant dawn]

Yeah but there’s no punishment to the attacker for getting blocked

[granite plinth]

there is

[errant dawn]

So you just gotta weave

[verbal marsh]

if you get counterattack block on barb hes dead ez

[granite plinth]

there is a stagger animation

it is short but a free hit with the arming sword

[hallow saffron]

idk man with the absurb attack rate of rogues and how fast they can move I feel just the 3 attack perks and one attack skill is fine.

[sturdy spear]

btw the problem with barb is that even if i dodge his attack and succes to counterattack i still get damage while dodging (dodging mechanic doesn't work properly)

[errant dawn]

Well it’s slight enough to where I didn’t know it existed lol

[granite plinth]

dodging is mostly for avoiding max damage (directing hits to limbs)

rather than avoiding the hit

only rogues got the speed to avoid hits fully

[sturdy spear]

i just want long sword's dodge to be slightly more horizontal and i want it to have a slightly bigger hitbox

you know what would be good?

being able to change the direction of the dodge

[wise vine]

as I said, stacking 50% on 50% on 20 flat bleed on 4 poison damage when your weapon only does like, 14 to start with
thats still only like 50 damage, and you used ALL your perks to get it AND you had to get the drop on them

[granite plinth]

Map awareness Can get you infinite health

[verbal marsh]

i had my spear take an arrow for me once, i never am sync enough to actively try to do that however lol

[granite plinth]

provided you know what your doing

in regards to weapon dps

Rondel dagger is shit

a green short sword can deal 26 base damage

[sturdy spear]

also there's currently some attacks you can not dodge no matter how you try with longsword

one two handed axe attack animation is impossible to dodge for example

[granite plinth]

perks can get op as hell if the rogue became any stronger

[wise vine]

Idk, I feel like rogue should be allowed to be good if they do the one thing they're allowed to be good at

aka getting a sneak attack on you

[granite plinth]

they are good at it

you just need proper gear

get yourself a zwei dagger and a stiletto

[verbal marsh]

i find that attacks have a starting animation, and you basically block to intercept it at late interval

[sturdy spear]

is zwei any good? i feel like it sucks

[jovial swan]

Zwei is only bad if you let it be.

[obtuse elk]

#fixbarbarian

[verbal marsh]

if you don't know where to block from the start of the swing, then you probably won't block it.

[verbal marsh]

zwei is good against other two handers, weak against shields

[sturdy spear]

i think we need a bigger stash

i can't fit all my items there i need to sell shite

[kind wasp]

what is wrong with barb?

[granite plinth]

default gear

can get 200 hp

[brisk folio]

i made a suggestion to add the ability to sheath/unsheath a shield without also sheathing weapon but it just poofed

[granite plinth]

and deal 90 damage per swing

[sturdy spear]

yknow what would be good? how about all the gold we have is stored in some chest like thing, so instead of occupying a physical place in the stash it stays as a currency near your stash?

[sturdy spear]

waaaaaaaaay too high damage

[verbal marsh]

think they intend to add tarkov styled chests and trunks eventually

[granite plinth]

the stash is a good anti inflation mechanic

in my opinion

[kind wasp]

damn, maybe hp nerf and make it slightly easier to dodge?

or something like that

[sturdy spear]

oh that would be nice

[brisk folio]

sdf did a q/a with streamer and they were saying they intentionally want a hard limit on how much gold you can have

presumably so you spend it

[sturdy spear]

when are the servers coming back btw?

[hallow saffron]

okay lets do the math on the base 14 dagger landing all 3 attacks as backstabs and from ambush in 3 seconds.(not including the different damage all 3 attacks do as they generally scale)

This is the math with Ambush, poisoned weapon, Backstab perk only and using ONLY the rupture skill on base gear.

14+ 7 (ambush 50% bonus) + 4(first bleed) +1.82 (backstab) +20 (rupture 4 dmg every second for 5 seconds)
14+ 7 (ambush 50% bonus) + 8 (2 stacks) +1.82 (backstab we will round to 2 as the game does)
14+ 7 (ambush 50% bonus) + 12(3 stacks) +1.82 (backstab)

46
31
34
111 + 3 more seconds bleed at 12 dmg
Total is 147.

[kind wasp]

wait isnt barb really easy to block with a shield, idk cuz i play ranger

[granite plinth]

20 min

2H barb can be blocked but 1H barbs cant

[tired osprey]

A good chunk of these suggestions are already in the game but people haven't read the hints literally telling you how to do it.

[kind wasp]

aha

[granite plinth]

#d-and-d-suggestions message not this one

[tired osprey]

Understood, maybe a new type of spider?

[granite plinth]

tbh i honestly like the spiders

they are annoying but they create interesting game situations

in comparison to normal mobs

[brisk folio]

is there a way to sheath only shields?

[prisma hollow]

Give Clerics a blinding spell

[brisk folio]

i have to admit i havnt tried too hard besides just pressing sheath

[granite plinth]

go inventory

right click the shield

to drop back to inventory

it is instant

[brisk folio]

thats clunky and is a work around

[granite plinth]

very quick if you got the gamer flick

[tired osprey]

No, I really should of specified mainly the guy talking about adding the ability to unstack potions even though that is already a thing.

[brisk folio]

ah lol

[granite plinth]

press tab and right click shield

[brisk folio]

pressing x to sheath would also be quick

also the shield in inventory takes up loot spot

[granite plinth]

and thats the sacrifice

you dont want a rogue to steal it by shift clicking it to the ground

right?

[wise vine]

if i'm not mistaken Ambush is only the first attack, no?

its uptime is 3 seconds, but its usage is burned on the first hit

[hallow saffron]

ah my bad you are correc tI misread the ability. remove 14 from the math

still 133

[granite plinth]

thats some excel sheet tier math

[hallow saffron]

thank you 😄 i have a lot of free time at work

[wise vine]

I feel like napkin mathing it isn't realistic at least at the moment because the time inbetween the rondel dagger swings is enough that they'll likely turn around

[granite plinth]

you got a spare excel sheet pdf?

[hallow saffron]

not even using excel just quick mathing it with calculator and typing it. I should make a sheet pdf of stats I math out

[hallow saffron]

you can get all 3 hits in if you are using ten steps and hide skill

were talking base gear heroo 😄

[granite plinth]

k

with base gear

Only aim for wizards in my opinion

try to ambush them and run away

[eternal river]

Bro any actually useful suggestions I put are denied been making games since I was like 14

[wise vine]

moving while invis uses up one of your perk slots, which means you have to drop one of the damage buffs

[hallow saffron]

that math is only with 3 damage perks. there is one slot open

[wise vine]

I see

[hallow saffron]

can either be creep or lockpick.

I dont include dagger expert in any math as 5% is terrible

[wise vine]

agreed

I think all the damage buffing perks should be 10-15%

[granite plinth]

dagger expert is one of those skills

if you want to sacrifice 10 steps for hide

[wise vine]

they feel like they do genuinely nothing

[granite plinth]

for classes like barb they are significant

but for a rogue with diddly 20 damage

+1

[hallow saffron]

5% even on cleric with a 60 damage weapon is like 5 damage

[granite plinth]

%5 is multiplicative

so it stacks with other bonuses

[wise vine]

maybe it should be class specific then, give the weaker weapon proficiencies 10%

[hallow saffron]

its only good if you have good strength as it equates to 5 str points directly to damage done by a dagger

technically yes it is good if you have a high damage bonus but rogue with the 5% bonus would be -12% at 8 str

[wise vine]

maybe it should be a flat damage bonus instead of a %

like 3

it makes it feel like less of a waste of a perk if you're using pleb gear

(plus its just simpler)

[hallow saffron]

if I am understanding the stats correctly at 15 str there is a 0% bonus to physical power. I am going to dbl check in game once my patch is done

[wise vine]

that sounds right

[hallow saffron]

okay so 0 = -15% 15 = 0 30 = 15% 45 = 30% 59 = 40%

looks like after 50 str it starts giving diminishing returns, each point = .5 phys power bonus after 50 str. So after 50 str a 5% bonus is = to 10 str.

[hallow saffron]

ima do some more testing her reznika but it does look like the 5% might be added under a separate calculation as with the 5% my dagger was doing 21 HS damage and without it was doing 19

[regal parrot]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Is this suggestion already in? I couldnt find it.

(One click sell junk, one click store gold in stash)

[woeful pewter]

Yea I just saw that one a few min ago

[regal parrot]

Ye i put it up but i was wondering if i overlooked it beung in game lol

[woeful pewter]

Nope it's there

[regal parrot]

Oh shit ill check it next time then thanks

[lost tulip]

trade station not working?

[wanton dagger]

trade post not working
go to sleep
trade post fixed
wake up
trade post is broken again

Pain

[jovial swan]

Alright, current suggestion of mine:
-Increased detection zone for small items when attempting to pick them up.

My reason is because of the fact that they are too tiny and it's unnecessary to be that small.

[minor lynx]

Can we PLEASE add more channels back. doesn't even need to be the original 500, I do not want to add every single person i LFG with or join their discord. I realize the in game VoIP is being pushed so that things can be tested and such, but for those of us that would like that off or to not hot-mic it is near impossible to get into a channel with people going AFK in them to find a group. This also makes it so that the LFG text channel is useless because before I can even type my message in LFG(if i am even able to snipe a voice channel) specifying what kind of dungeon content I would like to play, a random person joins because they don't have an open channel to start their own group and they are either looking to play differently or are in an entirely different side of the world where their ping would be insufferable.

PLEASE!!

[jovial swan]

A larger hitbox for item pickups would allow players to just swoop in, grab the item, boom, done.

Rather than, "Okay gotta position myself precisely on the model and still probably not get it."

It is a small change, but one that would be better appreciated since it would reduce tedium in an aspect of gameplay that does not need it.

[mortal needle]

@odd turret interchangeable 1 handers +1

[mortal needle]

Having the ability to pick which hand your one handed weapons use would be dope

[drowsy bramble]

why would you remove the ability to link another discord in your lfg chat, when you havent made enough channels to use in the server and refuse to use a bot that auto makes as many channels as needed?

[quasi epoch]

Guys and girls just to let u know the goblin merchant is seling things with random bufs but you can know what u are buyng by the name of it

I've seen a suggestion the he should sell only rings and cuz u don't know what ur buyng

[drowsy bramble]

<@&988703997378584596> can we get a fix for this

[small gull]

you could just add the person and dm them the discord link

[lusty stream]

Still WAY to hard to escape goblin cave (there are simply not enough portals spawning) + you should really consider a PVE only map for the casuals who just wanna learn the game or simply just fight the dungeon without worrying about players.

[ivory pendant]

without loot added to inventory should be good 🙂 like tarkov, but you should be able to play with friends , but not losing stuff or gaining them

[graceful frost]

I just looked and saw a guy with a tate pfp saying delete mimics LOL

[fringe void]

we are not the ones making these decisions.

[fringe void]

Even so - Discord Invites to other discords are OKAY on #dnd-content

[drowsy bramble]

thats not really viable for a lfg setting is it

and i mean as the moderators im sure you can voice up and say something

[fringe void]

well you can use your dms ?

[lusty stream]

As it is, it's an exercise in frustration trying to play and learn the game. so ANY change that aliviate that would be most welcome. although not being able to get loot unless you go pvp seems counter productive to me. maybe just make it so you either can't get top tier loot in pve or crank up the difficuly on monsters on pve or something.

[drowsy bramble]

a lot of people will look past it and its unnecessary hassle and bad design but i mean it was just a suggestion

[fringe void]

we have the VOIp feature- you guys can talk ingame no discord needed actually

[drowsy bramble]

and let everyone know where you are and all your comms

[torpid sinew]

is there a section for reporting/submitting bugs?

[fringe void]

you can change voip into party only

[fringe void]

#report-a-bug

[torpid sinew]

ty couldnt find it

[drowsy bramble]

thats good, but again whats the point of suggestions if you dont feel like actually taking them to heart?

[fringe void]

Suggestions are not ment to be implemented 100% of time

[quiet python]

Block List
Report list
Karma list
But where is the FRIENDS LIST ????? These guys just care about the hate, where is the fun

[drowsy bramble]

i never said it had to be, but taking a suggestions and thinking about it isnt that hard

i could fix it in about 3 minutes, so its something that doesn't seem like much hassle to add and something that has repeatedly been made in the #d-and-d-suggestions as well as other places

if you want to keep making excuses as to why its hard to do your job its all good but ill just leave it here

[hallow saffron]

Azo, you @ 'd the wardens, asking "can we get a fix for this" the wardens told you, it is not their job as they cannot fix it

[small gull]

they probably had a good reason

[drowsy bramble]

pipe up and say something

[drowsy bramble]

what reason

[hallow saffron]

stop being an argumentative little shit when they gave you an adequate response and channels to voice your opinion

[drowsy bramble]

you sound upset

[small gull]

fr like you have every other option to choose from between talking in party voip or dming people your discord but you want to sit here and waste the admin's time over trivial bullsht

[drowsy bramble]

trivial enough that mutliple suggestions have been made and up voted for it?

[hallow saffron]

no child, you the one being passive aggressive to the people you want to fix the issues (when they cant) sound upset. If it irks you so badly find some friends

[drowsy bramble]

im playing right now with friends and calling me a child seems to be doing exactly what you said was wrong to do

[hallow saffron]

no theres a difference, I am being aggresive and very open about it. cause someone whos first response to something is "you sound upset" and "If you want to keep making excuses as to why its hard to do your job its all good but ill just leave it here" sound like you have never been apart of the workforce

[drowsy bramble]

i work right now, i just dont let my boss talk to me like you probably do

[mortal needle]

dungeon game

[hallow saffron]

ah yes and working for your parents is not a real job. go get a job at an office, on a construction site, in a warehouse, in retail, anywhere really and talk like an ass to your higherup. you will either be written up or fired within a week.

Wardens are moderators, they moderate, it is not their job to fix things or develop things.

[drowsy bramble]

as a cnc machinist working in orthopedics i think you are wrong

but ay man im sure you got soft hands brother

i remember my first part time job

youll get their one day

[hallow saffron]

okay. blocked and 100% youre lying about your job if you talk down to your boss like that. delusional kiddo

[drowsy bramble]

why would i make up that job in specific

[fringe void]

Server lagg

[ivory pendant]

this game is about pvp , play another game if u want offline game pve 🙂

[drowsy bramble]

makes sense

[lusty stream]

thats your opinion 😉

[fringe void]

Discord can only provide a set amount of Channels and with 350 VC open 1st we reached our cap and 2nd it was lagging like hell

[radiant shale]

they should let me use twink in my name

its only fair

[drowsy bramble]

its the devs opinion so gl

[drowsy bramble]

thanks for the answer

[lusty stream]

you a dev?

[wanton dagger]

This game is about PvPvE

[drowsy bramble]

read the q and a and watch dev talks

[lusty stream]

ok, you have yourself a great day buddy 😉

[drowsy bramble]

okay princess

[hallow saffron]

I dont think he will. hes got a long 12-14 hour shift ahead of him as a CNC machinist afterall!

[drowsy bramble]

thought i was blocked, came back because i was in your head that much? thats crazy

[shell wave]

does edit a sugestion adds to the previous writing or sustitute it in place?

[hallow saffron]

I dont believe it edits the suggestion

[wary shell]

i submit a suggestion but it didnt appear in the #d-and-d-suggestions

[shell wave]

The edit comand does not work? O are you refering to it not editing the already writen stuff?

[hallow saffron]

when you use the . suggest command it moves the suggestion int d-and-d suggestions where I do not believe it can be edited

[ocean sorrel]

They should make item rotate so you can make space for other items

[shell wave]

but the . edit [suggestion id] [new content] - Edits a suggestion, comand you can edit it, not like you edit a mesage but like with this comand how does it work? by removin the prevous and puting the new edit, or by puting the new under the old mesage

[hallow saffron]

IDK "i dont believe it edits the suggestion" is the best I can give ya

[shell wave]

oka, thx anyways

[white cliff]

That’s because there’s a cooldown.

[scarlet plaza]

did you respect the formatting?

I'd love if people could weigh in on this and even discuss how they feel about the idea? #d-and-d-suggestions message

[stuck perch]

I think you can attain different styles of wizards with the same class and different builds. But even utility wizards need a lot of willpower or their buffs/debuffs just won't last long enough to matter.

[wet crescent]

Hey, I was curious if the progress we make in this playtest (#4) will carry over to the next playtest or even in the actual release?

[timber valve]

99% certain it will be deleted

[slate tartan]

No, it all gets wiped, consmetics included

[shell wave]

What? I am asking if i use that comand do i need to put again what i said or if keeps the first thing i write and i can just write and adicional thing to it

[regal plover]

Lich King is literally unkillable if you are wizard, am convinced it is not possible

[stuck merlin]

is there a way to equip weapons in detail screen so you can see your damage and impact power?

all i see is my fist power lol

[white cliff]

Are you trying to solo the lich king?

Ah, I think you’re confused just based on your join date.

If you’re talking about the mob that looks like a ghost, that’s a wraith.

[compact plinth]

killing troll should deff give you a free escape

good suggestion

[white cliff]

It takes forever that’s for sure.

[radiant shale]

they gotta add new music 😭😭😭

[regal plover]

yeah

its a spell capacity diff

no time to meditate in that fight either

[radiant shale]

i had to turn off the menu music its like ok for a little bit. but sooo grating after a while

[misty sky]

Guys, I can't play at all. The game crashes and just throws me to the desktop. 😭

[white cliff]

You’re talking about the boss on B3, surrounded by skeletons?

[regal plover]

yeah any of the inferno maps i think can spawn it

[misty sky]

No. I can't even show up on the map. Immediately crash and desktop.

[white cliff]

Yeah I wouldn’t think any of the bosses are solo able.

[misty sky]

Щр

Oh

[small wigeon]

I think the timer in high roller is short so you don’t farm the giant loot/gold pile forever

[regal plover]

ranger can solo em all shits really hard tho this game is great

gotta love a challenge

[white cliff]

Crazy, we always trio them, never thought people would try and solo.

[sleek warren]

I feel like the cobalt and rubysilver gear is to expensive to "craft" it takes 12 cobalt dust to get one rogue hat, and to get 12 cobalt dust you have to mine 36 cobalt ore. It takes a really long time across many raids to get cobalt, in part due to spawns, and in part due to not extracting successfully. Are there any thoughts on tuning this down? A chestpiece takes 25, so I can't imagine mining 75 cobalt ore to get one piece of gear. versus just playing normally, making a ton of money quickly, and buying the gear with gold outright.

[rare solstice]

Dark and Darker discord needs to bring back more party VCs! I remember last playtest there were at least 300 rooms!

[alpine fog]

Why are some suggestions green? Does that mean the devs are planning on implementing that?

[sleek warren]

@alpine fog No, it looks like green suggestions are suggestions that have more likes than dislikes, and blue suggestions have more dislikes than likes.

[vivid lark]

Why has general got a 5 min delay, also maybe channels for each class would be fun for discussions

[visual storm]

it may be just me but maybe have a room for just pve

[sleek warren]

there are already channels for each class

its because to many people are typing garbage into general

[digital geyser]

have devs said anything about banning or suspending teamers in the solo dung?

[ionic cobalt]

why would they do that?

[sleek warren]

teaming in the solo dungeon is allowed, you decide what you want to do in there.

[lusty copper]

id love it if there is a way to cancel your arrow draw as a ranger.

it might already be a thing. but i pressed every button and havent found it haha

[ionic cobalt]

press f

or switch to your utility slot

[muted locust]

@earnest basalt Replying to your suggestion. I think that they should just rework current healing items and make them % Heal based on the max health of the user and not be a plain heal item.

Because +15HP for a wizard is huge

but for a fighter its complete shit

and it's the same item for both classes

It'd not be necessary to add more healing items if they just rework the current ones

[earnest basalt]

@muted locust Its even worse for a barb, it's absolute shit trying to heal in anyway with those items as a barb.

Bunch of rouges and wizards thumbing it down

[whole juniper]

Guys best class if i dont have friend?

[inland idol]

I would hate solo if I couldn't talk to people and agree to a cease fire. Not knowing if someone will be cool or kill me is part of the fun.

[modern ibex]

IMO best solo class is Ranger or Wizard but that's kinda subjective

[ionic cobalt]

there wad a thread on reddit last night about a rogue who befriended a cleric in solo dungeon via voip. turns he was picpocketing him all the way through the dungeon

[whole juniper]

Wizard got huge nerf is it not useless?

[ocean tide]

no

[ionic cobalt]

with items and leveled, its still great. start kinda sucks now. cleric has a lot of self-sustain. might be worth trying

[ocean tide]

but ranger is easier they have an infinite amount of arrows stored in their prison pouch so it's less of a learning curve

[white cliff]

I'd say it's barb honestly.

[modern ibex]

Yeah Barb is good too

[ionic cobalt]

ranger with sword is def easy. barb or fighter if u know how to melee.

[modern ibex]

Wizard is really good with practice, the nerfs just make it less Andy friendly

[granite plinth]

Is there seriously no tutorial? This game plays like absolute ass to for the new player experience

[fossil grove]

So more backpacks/weight system is bad?

[cinder bison]

why dont we start with money

[civic pollen]

Why would you

[idle beacon]

Why don't i spawn in with all blues

[civic pollen]

Money is one of the easiest things in the game to obtain

[lusty wren]

You get free starter gear why would you need money to start?

[lusty wren]

Wiz still can easily team wipe if they hit their spells

[muted locust]

Rogue is super funny to play with

[lusty wren]

Cleric

[dusk compass]

What do you think about lobbys with 4 Player Teams ? We are 4 Friends playing and 1 always need to do a break 😥

[stone ginkgo]

I just can't understand how the party mode is easier for a solo than the solo mode lol

[lofty totem]

we need a Monk class tbh

[lofty totem]

very true, goblin caves are so difficult i dont see how anyone can do it solo unless they are using higher gear more consistently

[stone ginkgo]

And even using higher gear, why would you go into that hellscape of poison weapons, crowed rooms and only 3 extraction portals risking that gear? It has 0 purpose

Just absurd lol

[compact nebula]

items glitch throw stairs carfeful its a bug

[lusty wren]

I think its to many people in these tiny congested dungeon style

[lusty wren]

Learn the game in normals. Once you have a grasp of the game and its mechanics gobbo cave is not hard

[lusty wren]

Learn the static exit its a free extract alot of the time

[lofty totem]

3 sometimes can even crowd certain halls, and 4 would make it near impossible unless single file but that would become a meat grinder

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[red rapids]

it’s very manageable once you know the animations

goblins are no scarier than a white skele

[manic hatch]

Fr

[modern ibex]

I would love to see a 4 person game mode personally since we also have a frequent issue of 1 too many but ueah the base game as it stands now couldn't support it.

Maybe down the line they could make a version of the dungeon with slightly wider hallways but for now 3 is already kinda congested

[manic hatch]

They’re quite easy to manage

[lusty wren]

OH so you want to make it its own game mode also? So splitting the playerbase a 4th time?

[hallow saffron]

with how fast the lobbies fill, there is no issues with playerbase imho

[lusty wren]

Right now while the game is F2P and new sure

That changes very quickly when its B2P and a year down the road

As the devs said 3 is probably the limit

[hallow saffron]

even if its P2P later on and lobbies become slow to fill. its still pvpve and full floor clearing will become possible if you dont have to deal with other players

[lusty wren]

Other players is the fun in the game

Devs already stated though 3 is as far as they want to split the playerbase so point is kinda moot

[hallow saffron]

devs can always change their mind depending on community requests. has happened in the past

people putting out a suggestion/providing reasons for said suggestion is allowed and should not be bashed upon or told "dont bother devs said no"

[lusty wren]

Ya, I doubt they are going to endlessly split the playerbase when one of the biggest perks people always state is fast matchmaking 😄

[hallow saffron]

and you can doubt that all you want

[lusty wren]

Ideas can be bashed its called critique 😄

[hallow saffron]

no need to be a twit about it

[lusty wren]

Im being a twit by giving you factual statements?

Ok

[hallow saffron]

but youre another one fo those people

[lusty wren]

Yes I am another one of those people who uses simple logic and gave you a direct quote 😄

[hallow saffron]

who cannot have a proper conversation without bashing on shit properly. critique is normal, the way youre doing it is not critique.

[lusty wren]

LOL ok if it hurts your sensibilities to see a factual quote you can block me

[vagrant night]

we need more VC's! #d-and-d-suggestions message

[hallow saffron]

oh i have blocked you but its not sensibilites or a factual quote. please just learn how to properly provide critique and not be a twat ❤️ have a nice life

[hallow saffron]

they are a tlimit according to a warden earlier.

[lusty wren]

They crashed the discord multiple times last time they did this due to to much load

[lusty wren]

Probably for the best, enjoy your day!

[vagrant night]

BS last play test you had 250 channels, no crashes...

[lusty wren]

Last PT is what caused the change it crashed 6 times in one day

This is why the warden said its limited

[hallow saffron]

since im still living in your head for asking you to learn to critique. Look up a guide on how to provide proper critique without sounding like a condescending jerk and how to properly provide factual quotes. I shall now no longer be replying to ya

[lusty wren]

If you have me blocked just move on bucko

Talk about living rent free 😄

[modern ibex]

I mean? "Splitting the playerbase" isn't currently an issue and we have no way of knowing if it will be in the future.

Besides, I don't really care if it's a new mode or just an expansion on the current one. Make it a one off event mode idfc. Maybe it'd suck ass, maybe it'd be good, I'm just saying it'd fix the 4 friends issue.

[cloud viper]

did anyone suggest solo leaderboard yet?

[lusty wren]

Ya the numbers for these PT's are inflated due to being F2P that will change. Also the newness will die eventually and we will be left with a much smaller playerbase.

I just feel the current dungeons have a general feel to them, and that feel would probably be diminished if you made everything larger to accommodate 4 players.

Right now it feels tight, cramped almost claustrophobic and I like that

[modern ibex]

I agree. I was just saying I'd be interested in seeing how they could potentially explore the idea of making 4 players viable in the future. At the moment it would be basically unplayable

[white cliff]

Play testing for a reason, the sole point of a solo mode is to see if they have enough players in it to even be a development thought; or it could just be a loud vocal minority.

[white cliff]

Took me about 300 hours to get sick of hunt for a while so the newness will take a while to ware off for me at least.

[lusty wren]

Ya, I will probably stick around for the long haul also if nothing changes. But alot of FoTM gamers out there

[jaunty scaffold]

Speaking of which, I love how Hunt handles PvE. Every enemy has a way to be neutralized quickly, but with a cost or penalty. Unusually in the form of noise or AoE damage

[jaunty scaffold]

I would 100% stick around. My only real complain about the core gameplay is that the combat is a little slow and floaty. Take a page from Souls games and add a parry mechanics to speed things up a bit. Mordhau did this sorta well

[lusty wren]

The plan for parry is that its on specific weapons instead of default. I like the slower more methodical approach tbh. I for sure get its not everyones cup of tea tho

[fringe tapir]

Mordhau is a defense is king kind of game. Not at all what I would want in this kind of game.

[deft zenith]

Bruh, it’s like classic wow and bo2 zombies put together. Know the aggro range, if you pull more than one train them around. I would bring 3 health pots though

[bleak vigil]

I am amazed that there are people downvoting my trading post suggestion. Is someone actually enjoying this current epilepsy inducing system? :S

[jolly elm]

Will they ever fix stretched resolution?

[lofty totem]

i'm still poor i cant afford healing pots

[hallow saffron]

smack dodge or smack smack dodge seems to be the go to for Goblin cave, yes the poison is a little overtuned if you are like a rogue who has almost a 50% increase to how long debuffs last on them but other then that it isnt too hard

[lofty totem]

i have not even seen a portal or escaped once in like 15 runs, also players apparently dont not fight when we are both just tryna get out and have more to worry about

also this is wrong channel

[livid wharf]

I wish Cleric had cooldowns on their heals. Kinda boring having fights determined by how hard they spam heals in a matter of seconds.

[fringe tapir]

The current system is far from ideal. But the vision is to do something similar to how trading was in D2. An auction house isnt anything like that and I dont believe it would be a good fix no matter how obvious it is.

[hallow saffron]

ive made a few allies in the solo dungeon by using the VOIP properly. The biggest suggestion would be to learn the combat pattern for each enemy and work around that. If you are inside the next zone circle you can generally chill for spawns.

[fringe tapir]

Hopefully they figure something out better than the current system that still matches their vision. Auction house suggestions always get my downvote tho

[hallow saffron]

Depending on items the cleric has a 3-9 second cast time, yes that seems low in combat but playing as the cleric its actually hard to keep the cast up on a 4 usage spell if the enemy draws my target out of range as casting causes us to be slower.

[bleak vigil]

I am not familiar with D2 trading but this is really painful. if not an AH they need to replace this with something that doesnt cause your eyes to bleed. the current one is simply outrageous

[livid wharf]

More like 9 seconds to cast all 8 heals lol

[fringe tapir]

Important to realize this isnt a finished product. In D2 you entered a trading lobby and would trade items with someone. I'm not sure what would make a happy balance but AH aint it

[hallow saffron]

try playing a cleric with base gear and try spamming that heal on an incombat barbarian, rogue, fighter, spear ranger. keep mobile as the one engaging the fight, sometimes if you circle properly you can actually STEAL the heal from the enemy cleric or cause them to hold heal instead of spamming it.

[white dragon]

They should make sanctuary circle spawn where cleric aim this would be more usefull

[bleak vigil]

Is there an explanation against the AH? I mean what issues would it cause to the game?

[lusty wren]

D2 has a trading lobby? When did this happen? LOL

[lusty wren]

It removes player interaction. Player interaction in trading is a thing the devs want and alot of people enjoy

[fringe tapir]

Yeah you would host a game and call it Trading and then people would join up to trade back in the day.

[bleak vigil]

Exactly I would prefer for them not to waste so much dev time on this system and just deliver something complete down the line

[lusty wren]

ya I play D2R still today 😄 I was being sarcastic because calling it a trade lobby makes it sound as if the devs intentionally put in a trade lobby.

[spiral pier]

fighter nerf?

[bleak vigil]

I dont feel like I am interacting with anyone now. We are just spamming a chat like apes and enter a window that we press 2 buttons without saying anything to each other. and ultimately we waste time we could be playing doing this process

[white dragon]

he isnt even strong

[graceful prawn]

Fighter seems pretty alright where it is

[white dragon]

i think every class is balanced enough

[slender hound]

Can anyone explain to me why limiting 1 character each team would be a bad change?

[lusty wren]

I never said the system was perfect or complete. But was answering your question "Is there an explanation against the AH? I mean what issues would it cause to the game?"

[fringe tapir]

The idea is that you are still earning the transaction rather than getting it for free by posting it.

[graceful prawn]

Because if someone wants to go 3 rogues and die let them

[fringe tapir]

It also makes it much harder and more time consuming to min-max your gear and find the perfect piece if you can't just sort by 'best' and 'cheapest'

[lusty wren]

Forces people to play classes they do not enjoy

[fringe tapir]

I haggle like a mf in trade, IDK bout you.

[slender hound]

What about double barb or cleric strats, it's pretty difficult to counter or even run from

[bleak vigil]

Yes I meant an explanation that AH has as a con and any other system has as a plus. I noted that it wasnt a plus either for the other system thus negated 😛

[lusty wren]

AH con is that it reduces player interaction

😄

[bleak vigil]

Does a system exist that solves that issue?

[lusty wren]

We shall see, that is the devs job not mine

[fringe tapir]

Trade chat pros are: Earn your bread, interact with players - 100% on you if you don't, more difficult to min-max, liquid pricing

AH pros are: convenience

[bleak vigil]

Yeah I prefer they complete a good game than re-inventing the wheel of trading systems 😛

[lusty wren]

Creating a game takes time

Its a Playtest

[white dragon]

just why

[fringe tapir]

TBH I wouldn't hate something like a 'stall' system that just has everyone's items for sale when you hover over them and they can still advertise but you can just look individually at what people have and open a trade window that way, too.

Like right click someone's name and click something like 'open trade stall' and it shows an inventory of their current gear for trade.

[bleak vigil]

I know I was a game-dev for some years, we are saying the same thing. They should waste that precious time on game mechanics and balancing not inventing a new innovative trading system. Anyway indeed it is up to them in the end

[lusty wren]

If you were a game dev you would understand that there are different teams for different things. Playtest is for testing, they are testing making a more interactable way to trade then just using a AH

[fringe tapir]

Then people could advertise their stall rather than 16 diff pieces of gear.

[lusty wren]

It adds value to the game its not a waste

[bleak vigil]

Resources are common no matter how you split them

in this case Human resources

[lusty wren]

Its a huge aspect of the game of course dev hours will be given to it

[bleak vigil]

Imagine the board of the game designer department. Whats our priority guys? Class balance? New class? New mechanics? No, lets create a never seen before trading system that promotes player interaction

[lusty wren]

The current system for example took probably less time than a actual AH

[lusty wren]

You act as if its one or the other. 😄

Who said "priority" should be the trading system?

[bleak vigil]

Its a backlog, you prioritise things

[lusty wren]

exactly

LOL

[bleak vigil]

then we get stuck with the current system untill they have time to innovate?

[lusty wren]

Until they have time to change it yes

that is how development works

Some things are placeholder

[bleak vigil]

instead of using a battle proven solution

[lusty wren]

some thigns are for testing

etc

[lusty wren]

A "battle proven" system that takes away player interaction

Which they dislike

So ya

[fringe tapir]

I think you are underestimating the importance of economy in a game like this. Streamlining the economy in this game would not be beneficial.

[lofty totem]

i'm talking to friends so cant do voip

[lusty wren]

Using the "battle proven" systems is how we ended up with 10 years of WoW clones

[white dragon]

d

[fringe tapir]

Making suboptimal trades to save on time is a good thing, not a bad thing. You can sit there and wait for the best deal or you can just scam yourself and get out of trade. Personally I'd rather play so I end up paying more and selling for less.

[bleak vigil]

Alright, I might be wrong, you might be wrong we cannot know until something comes out and get tested. Just saying that 90% of companies that tried to re-invent the wheel got a reality check. They other 10% created something innovative and changed the whole market. I just dont like the odds 😛

[hallow saffron]

theres push to talk for VOIP, you can also use push to mute on discord and bind them to the same key. Crouch spam doesnt work anymore cause people have been tricked with it. Recognizing a friendly voice is easier then guessing if the rogue who is beside you is friendly or a different one

[lofty totem]

if you use the crouch as a trick you have no honor

[lusty wren]

Again this type of thinking is why we got decades of WoW clones 😄

[fringe tapir]

huh. Who tried to reinvent trade? I saw Blizz do the AH in WoW and people liked it, saw Blizz do the AH in D3 and people hated it - the AH isn't a universally good system.

[hallow saffron]

there is no honour among thieves or drunken men of the cloth

[bleak vigil]

I personally love AH's and spent countless hours playing the market game on them.

[fringe tapir]

I don't hate AH either. I just don't like it as a solution to the problem you have in this game.

You can still game the trade chat, you just don't like that it's not as easy.

[summer wraith]

It's really stupid that I can be in a fight as wiz, try to invis but there happens to be a corpse/far off mob where i flick to. Just give a button combo to self cast, hold alt or something

[lusty wren]

Look down, or at a wall

[tawny prairie]

Anyone else hate toggling sell mode on the collector?

Added a suggestion for this hopefully low hanging fruit.

[bleak vigil]

It isnt a matter of easiness, I've sold almost everything i tried too. It is actually causing me anxiety, fatigue and eye pain though and I bet it would actually induce seizures to some people

[fringe tapir]

Most games nowadays induce seizures for those who are at risk - that is not a problem unique to trade chat. Absolutely insulting to expect that argument to be taken at face value lol.

[lusty wren]

Maybe discord should start adding a warning that scrolling text may cause seizures

[bleak vigil]

Yes because the whole game is flashing 1 million lights in front of you per minute. I dont get why you are insulted by something obvious

[bleak vigil]

Which discord server are you on? Because I never saw anything similar to the trade chat of this game

[fringe tapir]

It's insulting because it's absolutely preposterous and expecting someone to be dumb enough to accept that argument is savage af lmao

[bleak vigil]

I am sorry but the only insulting thing here is your comments against my argument. Probably you had no actual response

[tawny prairie]

You be cherry picking lol bulv

[fringe tapir]

I mean, what was your other argument? You've sold everything but it was a headache to do it? I def agree the system could be better.

[bleak vigil]

1 million flashing colourful lights to sell an item? Also what about how I said it makes me feel personally? I dont have a condition and it makes me suffer

Anyway, I have laid down my opinion, I hope I get something better to sell my shit on when the game releases

[fringe tapir]

What cherries dog? If the tree only has two is it cherry picking to pick either of them?

[fringe tapir]

100% agree

[tawny prairie]

His second bit was said in almost jest. Obviously, cherry 1 was what bothered him.

[fringe tapir]

Ye but we had already discussed that the system didn't work because it scrolled too fast.

So arguing about a point we already agreed on is moot.

My intention was to argue the standpoint of the devs who see communal trade as a larger pillar to their vision than quick sales. My point was that there could be a better system for their vision than what stands, but that an AH does not match their vision for the game (by their own statements) so I will always downvote it.

His was 'just throw an AH together because other people did it an it worked and trying to do something different might not work and take too much resources from other departments'. Which is cool. But we found common ground already with the current system not being ideal.

[tawny prairie]

Id take a temporary AH over our current system any day. :/

But eh, its just a demo. Hope they have time to refine their system next month.

Fingers crossed

[lusty wren]

Cant test systems if you use a placeholder AH

and that is indeed what these playtests are for right?

[tawny prairie]

Get a feel this current iteration is also a placeholder that will be scrapped

[fringe tapir]

I think they are currently testing the class divided trade chat which also seems to be not going much better TBH

[lusty wren]

I am sure it will be refined or scrapped, but if you take their word at face value they have gained alot of data on it thus far

I doubt they expected 100k people to be playing concurrently so I am sure alot of the systems shortcomings have to do with that

[tawny prairie]

I feel we have less people this playtest. Anyone know the current metrics?

[lusty wren]

Double

New peak was 100,128. Current is 91,436

[regal skiff]

i like the trade chat, but it could do with a limit on messages to stop spam x amount per minute, but if you have 500-2k people spamming in one chatroom a slight delay does nothing

[lusty wren]

Last peak was like 68k

and concurrent avg was like 56k

so ya not quite double

[tawny prairie]

Longer wait times on normal dungeons.

Maybe goblin side effect, that one is really fast to enter.

[lusty wren]

That and server issues in general

For example you fill with 3's and then wait for a solo to fill the last spot

that solo is likely in gob dungeon

So you wait a 3 minute timer and never get a solo fill

(They also said there were some issues with the servers yesterday)

[gaunt scarab]

how do i sell stuff in the trading place

[tawny prairie]

Thankfully no rubberbanding felt in my end yet.

Been getting frame rare frame drops when fighting players though. Sad barb when i freeze during my first 2 ambush swings

Even tried shadow to make sure it wasn't hardware limitations.

[tranquil elm]

Is it just me or do mobs recognize , turn to you and attack you WAY TOO FAST after leaving stealth / invis? Should be able to get at least 1 hit off i.e. backstab. or it's pointless in PvE. #rogue #invis #stealth

[tawny prairie]

Proxys downvote made me realize we shouldn't have a sell tab we have to click for any merchants.

[lusty wren]

I want the process to be streamlined. Id imagine all vendors at some point will have something to sell.

I dont see why a tab at all is needed

Just let me sell shit I want to sell like every other game but tarkov lol

[hard karma]

Anyone gets long matching EU Central?

it seems like it wont start the game

[lusty wren]

Sell button, after highlighting everything you click it boom

[tawny prairie]

I still want my change in the lasiest way possible for my sanity.

They probably won't rework the selling system that much this demo.

[lusty wren]

Ur suggestion is a fine temporary solution id say

[wise quest]

What do you mean?

[granite plinth]

3. RAID IN A ROW MY LOOT RESETS, Whats going on??? how to fix??

[novel umbra]

wHY ARE the server sooo laggy

[novel umbra]

Invvis is kinda pointless its usefull if you want to lose agro and run away

[summer wraith]

just remove spider collision and make them hit fast enough to punish you for stepping on them, I'm sick of getting stuck playing mario on them

[fast lily]

Invis is insane against players, it feels weird that npc enemies know exactly where you are, even through walls, after an invis tho

[jaunty scaffold]

We already have that with the jump and crouch meta. I don’t mind it, but it’s floaty and indicative that there’s a lack of other mitigation options. Mordhau handles parrying in a somewhat clunky manner though. Some inspiration from the Souls system, which assigns parry frames per weapon, could be a potential possibility if they wanted to implement that feature.

[jovial swan]

Alright, my new suggestion is out.

Item Stash Sorting.

Like the Resident Evil series.

[jaunty scaffold]

Insurance fraud. Like in Tarkov

[slate heron]

PETITION TO REMOVE SILVER COINS

[split flare]

I have not messed around in the Normal Dungeon mainly the solo one this time around so I am not sure if this is an issue in the normal dungeon but. I have seen it happen twice now where I am the last alive 100% and I die and lose everything just because a portal spawns on a lower level than I am on in the last circles.

[split flare]

Agreed they should definitely go back to their idle positions or start moving around after going invis

[split flare]

I know for myself I am very surprised how much damage I do to a plated player

[spiral pier]

gg out of this shit

[plucky heath]

Why do skeletons swipe through walls in hell?

[pliant vault]

Please increase the map timer, especially in hell

It is ridiculously short right now for the amount of stuff there is to do

My well geared group can make it through like 3 rooms before the circle is already almost completely in, timer needs to go back to 15 mins if it was there already

[split flare]

They are all dumb bc it doesnt work in the end when there is 1 portal lol

[oak loom]

how do i edit a sugestion i hit enter before i was done

[digital cove]

that’s the point of the game

[faint ingot]

Definitely need 3 person extract portals

[oak loom]

there is ones

[drifting shadow]

hey, will there every be 4 players in a squad?

[oak loom]

it takes u to hell

[digital cove]

definitely don’t need 3 person extract portals

[faint ingot]

Why would there only be the option to split up groups and leave 1 person stranded??? Doesn’t really make sense

[split flare]

<@&988703997378584596> for the language.

[vale mica]

does anyone had issue that whole loot dissapear ?

[oak loom]

^ fr part of the experience is oh no we cant get all the loot out lets prioritize the good stuff and ill trade u back ur gear after

[faint ingot]

That doesn’t make sense lmao

[ionic cobalt]

one run ago it happened. i died, my buddies lived. all 3 got reset to pre-delve state

[split flare]

Agreed people dont get the solo dungeon isnt made for everyone to get out if you let that one person get the portal you may have just screwed yourself out of getting out

[faint ingot]

It’s more logical to have 3 person portals for extract as well

[split flare]

Yes but not for solo I do agree for the normal and high roller

There are 3 person downs it only makes sense

Or even if it was a chance you get a 3 person or even a 2 person

[smoky yoke]

thanks
I have dealt with it

[faint ingot]

Yeah normal forgotten castle should absolutely have 3 person extract portals, it doesn’t make sense to have to sacrifice your teammates lmao

[digital cove]

it makes perfect sense if you wanna play a casual game find another

[faint ingot]

How does it make sense to sacrifice your teammates 😂😂😂

[digital cove]

maybe they should make all skeletons die in 1 hit too and only do 5% of ur hp per hit

and potions full heal instantly

[faint ingot]

Lmao what are you even saying

[digital cove]

ur inner thoughts

[faint ingot]

I’m just saying if you successfully clear the whole dungeon and eliminate the other players, you shouldnt have to abandon your teammates at the end

[digital cove]

you don’t if you get to the portals quick enough

[oak loom]

honestly id agree with 3 man portals but maybe if they were like 0.1% chance like make it rare

[digital cove]

i’ve had all 3 escape plenty of times

if you can’t find a blue portal take the red one and run to the middle of hell and it’s a guaranteed extract

[oak loom]

sounds like someones getting greedy and staying too long in dungeons

[faint ingot]

Yeah we all extract together probably 30% of the time, and then die maybe 10% of the time, and extract separately the other 60%

[digital cove]

yes that makes the game more exciting

[faint ingot]

Disagree

[digital cove]

that’s why ur suggestion got downvoted to hell

most people don’t want 3 man portals and it probably won’t ever happen

[frail prism]

yeah this is the plage of solo right now died 3 out of 4 times like this 🙂

[split flare]

I kill everyone at this point even if I might die just because of that dice roll at the end that I might not get out bc there is no guarantee for a portal.

[lusty wren]

If you are struggling with blue portals it means you did not "clear the whole dungeon" as you say. Because if you cleared hell you woulda got out 😄

[lusty wren]

Are you checking the static exit when this happens?

[split flare]

Didnt even know something like that existed how does that work?

[lusty wren]

On the map you see a set of stairs, its a gate that opens during the last couple circles. You go in and it caves in behind you not allowing anyone else to take it.

I cant paste links for it here but I can dm you the location if you want

[split flare]

Yes please just so I can see it and know but also see if it addresses the concern

[real lily]

would be great if you could cancel bandages :/

like when applying them

[lusty wren]

Sent

[barren dock]

Solo obviously needs a lot of work, it is an experiment after all, but i just don't know how they plan to make all the classes viable in solo, cause right now it seems like a rogue/fighter fest with the occasional barb, some classes just dont work in solo especially with the hard mobs, believe me i tried to make solo wizard work, it was fun but just didn't work really

They could make mobs weaker around the board, but that would just make it easier for a bezerk fighter/barb to go in.
One thing i will say is that i enjoy the running away aspect way more in this dungeon than forgotten castle, the scaffolding n stuff is super fun

[stoic kernel]

I don't think you will ever be able to balance a game for both solo and team play

As a Cleric you might have to hope to team up with another player if you want to succeed in solo?

[strong dune]

I main solo wiz and do relatively fine even besting fighters while in base gear

[barren dock]

solo wiz is awesome, but way harder to pull off than a fighter or rogue

[stoic kernel]

I think we should be ok with some classes being better then others as long as all things have a counter

[barren dock]

Yeah but who among us would actually let your "teammate" live to the end, its an obligation to see who betrays who first

[stoic kernel]

I am genreally a nice player, if someone teamed up with me I would let him live

[idle verge]

@barren dock it only depends how many portals are left :) if you have enough to escape all, that's gonna be fine

[stoic kernel]

I come from SoT

so my attitude is expect to get betrayed, but you can find people out there. Someone who maybe isnt the best player will take the chance and be able to win

Trade should just be a auction hall type system right?

where it still takes up space in your stash when on the market

because chat spam sucks

[rough vapor]

What counters a barb 1 shotting fighters in full plate?

[stoic kernel]

dodging? Blocking?

[barren dock]

blocking?

[stoic kernel]

Barbs are pretty crazy it seems

[rough vapor]

So they should kill someone in 1 swing? When the other class takes 2-3 swings?

[sturdy ibex]

Keep your noggin safe

[rough vapor]

Seems legit

[stoic kernel]

not saying that is how it should be

but answering your question

[rough vapor]

Guess we switch to barb lulz

[lusty wren]

Barb is strong but not OP imo

The ol tactic of let them swing first seems to still apply in most situations

Now a supported barb with a cleric and a wiz is a monster

[stoic kernel]

the whole door and chest smash is something

[lusty wren]

Barb attacks are also very easy to block if you are trying to wait out say haste, patterns are very predictable on their weapons and slow

[split flare]

Does their 75% armor ignoring attack (Not sure if thats correct lol) stay when they miss?

[woeful pewter]

#d-and-d-suggestions message there already is if you browse through the discord and select a role @visual sinew

[lusty wren]

I think so, because it says next hit specifically but never tested

Wiki says "buff is consumed when an attack hits an object or a target"

[split flare]

Just checked so you gotta block it

[jaunty scaffold]

@granite plinth So basically just Quake with swords?

[split flare]

Im not against a good time on that and any other abilities like it in other classes

[granite plinth]

derp, it auto corrected to should, should have been "should not"

[split flare]

Not all classes can block so since it stays on is really strong

Especially with weapons like the staff on them

[granite plinth]

and of course now I cant edit because of the chat throttle

cool game

in any case, all of the spastic movement needs to be dealt with. Spastic crouch spam while opening chests or doors

[jaunty scaffold]

Now that you mention it, I would love Quake with swords

[granite plinth]

unlimited sprinting and jumping

Stam bar needed, 100%

and fall damage too

[jaunty scaffold]

I'm with you on the floaty and hoppy nature of the meta. I'm not a fan. I think speeding up combat would help, but that would require other damage mitigation mechanics

[lusty wren]

the slow purposeful nature of the game is part of its allure. Speeding it up destroys that

[last cloud]

Wizard needs a buff of some kind idc what but its so frustrating to run a solo wizard

[jaunty scaffold]

There are literally buffs that do the same thing. I'm suggesting a slight base increase

[lusty wren]

Buffs are purposeful

just a base increase is not

[jaunty scaffold]

Alright, then how would you solve the floaty combat and damage sponge nature of the meta?

[lusty wren]

I would not change the game on a fundamental level

[white cliff]

I sure do love when games are limiting and hyper realistic. They’re really fun.

Good thing iron mace has already said they’ve hated stam systems.

[jaunty scaffold]

There's nothing hyper realistic about the speed of the game

a longsword weighs 1-2kg IRL. They're not massively heavy objects.

[lusty wren]

Realism is not a factor in general id guess 😄

[jaunty scaffold]

in fact, historical rapiers and longswords weigh exactly the same.

[white cliff]

I believe I can guess your age from this comment lol.

[white cliff]

^

Anybody who wants the game to slow down even more, gimp movement systems and add stamina bars are in their mid to late 30’s.

[elfin charm]

Anyone else think the market changes were a backward step from the last playtest?

[lusty wren]

I def dont want it slower, but I also do not want it faster

[jaunty scaffold]

I'm asking to speed it up actually. That's been the whole thread

[lusty wren]

It is fast enough to be able to still get extremely chaotic, and slow enough to be meaningful in your decisions

[white cliff]

Did you have that guy blocked then?

He was asking for the opposite.