suggestion-discussion

[wanton dagger]

A shield.

[carmine current]

by that exact logic then ranger, rogue, and wizard should be 1 shot by any melee hit

[lusty wren]

They damn near are LOL

[lost rampart]

only 2 classes can use shield right?

[wispy heath]

Yes, because them taking less magic damage is the same as physical damage

[stuck leaf]

A fireball is pretty good counterplay

[wanton dagger]

That's what a wizard would say

[stuck leaf]

Js they’re pretty versatile

[wanton dagger]

Ranger can use big door on his back

[carmine current]

not even close rogue can tank multiple (2) wizards cant real but it doesnt matter since they take 2 hits to die. so does fighter when you are considering the DOT.

[lost rampart]

so the ranger can counter ranger

got it

[wanton dagger]

Yeah lol. Cleric feels nice as he can heal off poke damage

[stuck leaf]

The fighter can use bows, too

[wanton dagger]

And shield if ranger is close

[lost rampart]

infinite poke > very limited heals

[lusty wren]

Balance

[wanton dagger]

Shield is unlimited

[lost rampart]

but thats a disadvantage state

[obtuse fjord]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. Get assigned a random mob, and you get 10 gold per player that dies within 10 feet of you, but you can’t move until your room’s door opens

[lost rampart]

its a stalemate and he can just shoot your toes

[wanton dagger]

Barb has the real issues against ranger

Assa is fast and has ways to dodge

[lusty wren]

As a fighter you also have a large heal rogue and wiz does not

Its balance

[wanton dagger]

So unless ranger is a whole room length away from you he's not really a problem

[lost rampart]

not in my experience

[lusty wren]

And if he is you can flank and find a better attack angle

[wanton dagger]

yup

[carmine current]

i mean its not balanced, ranged classes are inheirntly at an advantage since they can you know use ranged and never get hit. the same number of hits shouldnt be used to kill 1 vs the other. a fighter or barb should take about 1.5x-2x the number of hits to kill vs a wizard. even when you are only using base kits

[wanton dagger]

Wizard might need a small hp buff, a small enough so they don't get oneshot with barb to the head tbh.

[lusty wren]

If they die in 2 hit as you say, and you die in two hits as you say, but you have a huge heal that means you can in fact tank more than them

by 2x

😄

[lucid folio]

"how to kill the rogue class"

[carmine current]

okay then explain ranger. has more heals then fighter

[lost rampart]

literally

[lusty wren]

Ive already said rangers heal should be nerfed soooo point is moot 😄

[lost rampart]

and barb has like no hjealing abilities

[lusty wren]

and they shouldnt

they have the highest single target dmg in the game

[wanton dagger]

They have a fat hp pool, that's their heals

[delicate tundra]

ranger heal is fine considering its flat no matter other stats and has a 30 second cooldown which is far long enough to get a killing blow vs fighters 50% hp heal js

[wanton dagger]

A barb has as much hp as I have together with a large heal from a cleric :D

[carmine current]

personally i think the barb should get the fighters healing strike ability when they finish off a target with it get like 10% hp back

[lusty wren]

One is instant and one is over time big difference

[lost rampart]

literally

except it like actually works

[lusty wren]

Ummm do you play barb?

[delicate tundra]

not really. the figher heal is quick and continues through damage. not to mention u can activate it without your character really slowing down where as range is movement is cut by 50% while eating

[lusty wren]

"recovers 12% hp after killing a player" Morale boost

[lost rampart]

killing a player shouldnt be taken into account when talking about fighting a player

[wanton dagger]

Should slow you down more tbh

Considering it's a whopping 75 hp per 3 meals

[carmine current]

that is well beyond inacruate. if you play wizard and get +magic damge flat or true magic damage on gear, use magic missiles and tell me which does more damage. in the last playtest in full gear my wizard would 2 barrage magic missle the lich to death

[delicate tundra]

the amount of times rangers get killed cause they try to recover health and are then descended upon make it adequate as is

cool its 75 for 3 meals

[radiant smelt]

How we fee abt this? ‘make a bounty system for a particular monster on a board, if you kill it and extract u can turn your bounty in for gold or items makes the game feel like there is a real ‘adventurer guild’ ‘

[delicate tundra]

but you also have to survive a minute and a half of fighting to be able to use all three

[lusty wren]

TBH you are asking for things that already exist so I somewhat doubt your game knowledge 😉

[wanton dagger]

It's about 75 seconds

[carmine current]

in the last test yes, not this test. i dont think they need it, but it that ability suits barbs more then it does fighters

[delicate tundra]

if u take heal time into account the fighter heal is strong as you get 50% hp in 12 seconds as opposed to the ranger needing 33 seconds to get half hp

[lusty wren]

Its a barb perk called morale boost

Does exactly hat you are asking for but is 2% more healing then you requested

[carmine current]

that doesnt heal you it gives you 10% max hp which goes away after the fact and you dont keep the hp gained

[lusty wren]

"recovers 12% hp"

[lost rampart]

it is a heal on kill

[carmine current]

must have changed it then since the last test.

[lusty wren]

Again when you ask for things that already exist people tend to just assume you lack game knowledge 😉

[lost rampart]

why are we talking about a heal on kill when we are talking about neutral game and during combat

[lusty wren]

Because he said barb needed a heal on kill

Which it already has

[lost rampart]

thats a heal on player kill

the fighter ability is heal on mob kill

[lusty wren]

So you think it should heal 10% off mobs? You are out of your mind LOL

free full heals every other room

[lost rampart]

the cd can be adjusted

[wanton dagger]

Just tweak the perk so it has like 2-3% per mob kill?

[lusty wren]

Its not needed

[lost rampart]

oof

[wanton dagger]

I mean a 2% heal per mob isn't really anywhing.

[lost rampart]

exactly

[lusty wren]

Then why do it?

[lost rampart]

its a qol

[lusty wren]

If its nothing why do it?

[lost rampart]

stop

[wanton dagger]

It helps mitigate pve damage

[lusty wren]

Destroys the entire argument. "its a change that means nothing I want it anyways"

[carmine current]

lol i thought you were talking about the ability not the perk. yes that was teh same as it was last test and its shit. yes 10% heal on mob kills with the final hit is better and wouldnt break the game. fighter already has it and no one takes it since its bad

[lost rampart]

your taking his word choice very literally

[wanton dagger]

It's not good enough to just go kill mobs for a heal, but it is good enough to mitigate damage during pve/

[spiral spindle]

Agreed

[lusty wren]

It would completely break the game.

Its a free heal ever 2 rooms

full heal

[carmine current]

why does no fighter ever take it then

[lost rampart]

hm

[lusty wren]

Take what?

What perk?

[lost rampart]

victory strike

[carmine current]

ability victory strike

[lusty wren]

Thats not a perk

[lost rampart]

its a skill but it still applies

[carmine current]

i said ability not perk.

[lusty wren]

Second wind is better

5% after using an ability is not every mob kill either

[carmine current]

yeah and that is why im saying if barb had vicotry strike it would be better since fighters never use it anway

[lost rampart]

why the point this guy is argueing changes every time we reply

[carmine current]

i never said on every mob kill. i said on kill with the ability

[spiral spindle]

And what skill would you not use as a barb for that then?

[lusty wren]

You guys destroyed your own argument by admitting it is a meaningless change 😉

[lost rampart]

stop winking its cringe and also i never said it was meaningless

[lusty wren]

The paradox arrives again 😉

[lost rampart]

he said that and i dont think he ment it literally

[wanton dagger]

nobody said it's completely meaningless

[lost rampart]

i think you literally did however you didnt mean it literally

[wanton dagger]

The goal was to help barb in pve no?

[carmine current]

no ur just not understanding. i said that if barb wanted a heal, then they should get victory stike. currently vicotry strike is better then savage roar which is the other perk used by barbs

[open quarry]

Moral boost should give the 12% on player kill and like 5% on mob or make the mob healing a flat amount

[wanton dagger]

less than 5%

5% is too much to make killing for heals between fights too viable

It needs to be just a way to partially mitigate pve damage

[lusty wren]

You guys are acting like pve dmg is guranteed

😄

[open quarry]

Then make it a flat amount like 8-10 hp

[wanton dagger]

You're human my guy

[lusty wren]

Barb does not need this much self sustain

[carmine current]

pve damage is easily avoidable but its nice to heal off pve mobs after fighting other players.

[wanton dagger]

Still too much

[lusty wren]

Want to mitigate pve dmg take the fear

[bleak monolith]

Any word on nerfing the goblins that 1 shot u to almost half hp

[lusty wren]

They just did

[lost rampart]

why is proxy so against barb having a small neutral game heal

your dying on this hill for no reason

[spiral spindle]

That the downside of the big healthpool, buy meds or look for a cleric buddy but if barb can just heal fully why would you pick any other class?

[lusty wren]

Because barb does not need the self sustain

Its a bad addition

[lost rampart]

the intentions were never inteded to be a full heal

[bleak monolith]

Everyone should have some type of self heal

[lost rampart]

literally

[lusty wren]

They do, by killing players

[lost rampart]

oh my god

[carmine current]

the only classes that dont need sustain in any way are ranger and wizard

[lusty wren]

And they have a fear for your pve concerns

[delicate tundra]

they do its called bandages and health pots and campfires

[carmine current]

no1 is talking about getting hit from pve mobs. its just healing off of pve mobs.

[white cliff]

Because life-steal is bad for the game.

[spiral spindle]

There is sustain for every class... you can buy all you need

[lusty wren]

You sure about that?

[lost rampart]

we need to make a bulletin board of what we are not argueing for

[lusty wren]

^

[bleak monolith]

As a fighter I always kill barbs kus they so slow and I have my heal

[wanton dagger]

Health on kill isn't exactly lifesteal.

[carmine current]

its not what we were intitally talking about at all.

[lusty wren]

Its who I was responding to though 😉 world does not revolve around you

[grave sentinel]

Is trade chat broken?

[delicate tundra]

then ur either geared or the barbs are bad but barbs base gear can 2 shot most classes

[white cliff]

I’m taking about the flat lifesteal they’re proposing not on kill.

[lusty wren]

They are talking about it on MOB kill

[carmine current]

you were responding the comments i made about putting victory strike on barb. so dumb its unreal

[lusty wren]

Which is just as atrocious

[wanton dagger]

Yeah flat lifesteal is broken

None of that

[lost rampart]

yeah

[lusty wren]

You realize there are multiple people here discussing this right? I know your mom said you are special but...

[lost rampart]

why is he mad

[bleak monolith]

Lol nope just usually free gear, just gotta back away or pull up shield on em

[drowsy rose]

trade channel bugged guys?

[modern ibex]

I feel like a little sumthin sumthin would be okay for the melee exclusives like Barb or Rogue in solos but tbh I feel like in 3's it's completely unnecessary. Just play around your ranger/wizard/cleric/fighter

[carmine current]

then why were you specifically responding to my comment about it

[lusty wren]

I will refrain from discussing with you further if that is what youd prefer 😉

[delicate tundra]

yeah sounds like ur finding the dumb ones js

[lost rampart]

its giving me a tumor reading what proxy says

[white cliff]

No no no that’s stupid!

[lusty wren]

There is a neat discord function called block

[white cliff]

Shut up!

[wanton dagger]

He's saying absolutely nothing to be honest.

[delicate tundra]

its giving everyone brain damage watching you all fight about something stupid

[lost rampart]

literally

bro is just argueing to be right and isnt argueing about the game at all

[delicate tundra]

lol same though?

[lost rampart]

literally

[modern ibex]

Talking mad shit for someone in team kill range 👺 lol

[lusty wren]

I dont need to be right when you guys already admitted the suggestion is meaningless You destroyed your own argument

[delicate tundra]

can both of u just go make out in ur DM's

[wanton dagger]

I already expanded on it.

[lusty wren]

As long as he buys me dinner first

[lost rampart]

so odd

[delicate tundra]

suggestion discussion and yet only 2 people have been talking about the same topic for 15 minutes

[lusty wren]

You are free to start a new convo

[lost rampart]

i agree

rare proxy W

[spiral spindle]

"So odd that people dont agree with everything I say" lol

[lost rampart]

WHAT

i said 2 words and he made it into 10

[lusty wren]

What would you like to talk about. You have the floor 😉

[lost rampart]

no he doesnt

[delicate tundra]

I have been, i was discussion barbs being easy to kill with someone. I mean neither of you are gonna budge on ur view point on the topic so like why argue the same 3 sentences for 15 minutes?

you both beautiful dungeon crawlers ❤️

[wanton dagger]

Uhhh, sanctuary is good as fuck?

[lusty wren]

I think barb by himself is a easy kill personally but a supported barb is a monster

[lost rampart]

i agree

[wanton dagger]

Idk, funnel the conversation somewhere yourselves

I'm not a persuasive guy

[delicate tundra]

i think if ur a barb who knows how to play ur good just most people see "meat head" and think its free and easy to kill with

but honestly all i care about rn is a mining/crafting overhaul

[lost rampart]

just him having difficult to access healing compared to everyone is getting it for free almost felt slightly bad

[wanton dagger]

Slow as fuck

[lost rampart]

ikr

[spiral spindle]

Dude I hate when im back at 0 with barb because I need healing but thats why I need to pick my battles as barb and sometimes just go for that blue portal, so I can get some new meds for another round. If I could heal back up from pvp on pve mobs whats the point in needing meds as barb then

[lost rampart]

shits unplayable

[wanton dagger]

You either mine or engage with the dungeon

By the time you finish mining its extraction time

[lost rampart]

by the time you finish mining someone is trying to cut your head off

[delicate tundra]

been trying to test it and all with interact speed but f'ing 3's with no voip are being c..ts. but either way the time/cost investment is garbage

[obtuse fjord]

My gripe with barb is actually a gripe with polearms and two handed axes, not the class itself. Bring hit by the handle of an ace should push or stun, not do almost as much damage (at least that’s how it feels when being hit)

[lost rampart]

ill literally be naked with a pickaxe and some guy with full armour comes and tries to slaughter me

he gets 0 from doing that

[wanton dagger]

I mean there could be extra ore drops if you actually break the node fully.

[lost rampart]

problem solved

[lusty wren]

He saves a blue portal you would have taken

[wanton dagger]

That way you need to invest time into ore mining and get a secure area but at the same time you don't get 2 ore for half an ingot

[spiral spindle]

Hes hoping for a full inventory with ore of course, you really dont get that?

[lost rampart]

in all my time playing

[wanton dagger]

3 ore at most with these mining speeds

[lost rampart]

ive literlaly never seen anyone with any ore on them

when ive killd

[delicate tundra]

considering blue ore and red ore take the same amount for crafting and blue or crafts blue and red crafts purple. blue ore is a waste of time

[lost rampart]

the chance is negative no one has that mentality

[supple summit]

Trap is way op once you get caught you just lose, Can you make it so it just slows and or bleeds not stop you to the point i just wanna alt f4. It takes way to long to disarm.

[delicate tundra]

not to mention how much you need for a single piece of gear

[spiral spindle]

So you just made my point stronger... you never see ore. "Hey there is a naked rat with a pickaxe mining, finally i found some ore!"

[wanton dagger]

Not to mention you actually have to extract with it and invest into a pickaxe every time

Simply not worth my time

[lusty wren]

Or hey its a naked rat that will steal my blue portal lets kill him now 😄

[delicate tundra]

trap is fine where it is. at least you dont have a skill check to get out anymore

[supple summit]

Its really not. If you get caught you die.

[lost rampart]

look down i guess

ive personally never been trapped

[supple summit]

There is no way around it. It takes way to long to get out of. and makes no sounds when being placed

[lusty wren]

Look down, or have a buddy free you while you are spam crouching, or using a shield. Listen for trap placement dont just run head long into places you havent been

lots of work arounds

[lusty wren]

It makes a very loud sound when being placed

[wanton dagger]

It has sounds im sure

[supple summit]

Its way to quiet.

[wanton dagger]

Pretty loud

[lusty wren]

You can hear it from two rooms away 😄

[wanton dagger]

Not two rooms but it's slightly further than you would hear a door from

[supple summit]

On top of if you are in a door battle you just loe

lose*

[lusty wren]

So you joined discord when? How many hours of DaD do you have?

[supple summit]

380

[lusty wren]

Yet you do not know that placing a trap makes noise?

HMMM

[supple summit]

Ive played ranger they are broken.

[lusty wren]

Youve played them?

[supple summit]

Way to quiet.

[lusty wren]

Yet you didnt know they make noise when placing?

😄

[supple summit]

Way to broken

plz nerf

[lusty wren]

lol

[cinder anvil]

Make gathering ore take less time per mine or make it take more time but only have to mine once per deposit. Currently it takes so impossibly long to mine deposits for a cleric that it's not even close to worth doing.

[lusty wren]

I think same time

with one interaction per node

[wanton dagger]

How much ore per node?

4-5?

[lost rampart]

should there be a more consistent way of getting a portal out

6 per node maybe?

[delicate tundra]

welp

[lusty wren]

5ish sounds fair

[delicate tundra]

ive gone broke because voip isnt required

[wanton dagger]

Yeah sounds fair

[cinder anvil]

4-5 per node. As It requires 75 ore for the chest piece

[lost rampart]

lmao

assuming you have like 8 succesful runs you can do that in liek 2 hours !

[wanton dagger]

Yeah but its some really good armor

[cinder anvil]

It can be... But it's random

It could be completely useless

[wanton dagger]

Base stats make up for the most of it

[lusty wren]

Go kill bosses and it can be one raid

for better gear

[wanton dagger]

102 AR just from the chest piece is massive tbh

[lost rampart]

true why didnt i think of that

[delicate tundra]

assuming thats a piece your character can wear otherwise u gotta find someone to trust and trade to that character or sell

[bleak monolith]

Also can we get our mini map icon a different color my dyslexic ass has a hard time finding it lol

[delicate tundra]

?????

[wanton dagger]

I mine cobalt just to get me some cleric caps

Lame i cant wear ruby helmets

[lost rampart]

also

why are there no ruby/ cobalt weapons

[wanton dagger]

not yet

[lost rampart]

oh

[cinder anvil]

It's ridiculously tedious to mine ore in a game that revolves around your time being valuable. Not to mention you can't watch your back while you do it so if you do mine you risk dying or holding your team there for 5 minutes while you gather ore

[lusty wren]

Why would you make gear on a class that cant use the item?

[lusty wren]

Good teammates will think of it as baiting in pvp

[delicate tundra]

cause ranger/rogue has best interact speed for mining so therefore you will mine on them to make u hate yourself 10% less

[cinder anvil]

Good team mates just won't gather ore and make their friends wait on them actually

[lusty wren]

Well id assume if you are willing to use a totally different class to mine on then you want to make the gear for you already have a way figured out to transfer it. Otherwise maybe mine ont he class you want the gear on 😉

[delicate tundra]

i mean with how long it takes to mine even if someones like me and doesnt have it figured out yet. i have 3 days before i craft the piece anyways to figure it out

[bleak monolith]

Lol goblins still fuck u up

[lusty wren]

Its very good bait, why would they not want the extra fights of people running haphazardly in to snatch you up while mining?

[bleak monolith]

5 people in my lobby died to them in 4 minutes lol

[lost rampart]

what the freak

[wanton dagger]

Because being the bait as a cleric is not the best idea

[lusty wren]

Cleric is great bait

you can turn and heal ur friends afterwards its perfect

[bleak monolith]

I 1 shot a dude who fought n killed 1 goblin kus his hp was so low lol

[lost rampart]

the normal esc mobs are so insanely easy to fight just bait a swing and right before their swing ends move in to take advantage of the end lagf

theres alot of room for error

[cinder anvil]

There is no reason why gathering ore should take as long as it does especially for classes who apparently have no thumbs. Also closing doors should take as long as opening doors does. It doesn't make sense that you can slam a door behind you but it takes me as a cleric 15 seconds to open it back up

A ranger can literally run from a cleric forever indefinitely with just 2 doors

[wanton dagger]

Nah i think it's fine with the open/close difference.

[lusty wren]

Part of the balancing act. Clerics tend to have friends who can open the doors faster or break them entirely

[cinder anvil]

You probably don't play a class that takes 15 seconds to open the doors

[wanton dagger]

Dropping mobs off your tail if not for it would've been a nightmare

[delicate tundra]

open door = "picking" it open
close door = auto latches

[wanton dagger]

I literally play cleric

[delicate tundra]

based on tag u both play cleric sooooooo

[lusty wren]

3 clerics here 2 disagree with you... But ya its class choice 😄

Its just part of the balance

[cinder anvil]

The only option here in my mind is to make clerics not fumble for 15 seconds opening a door or make it take longer to close

[lusty wren]

Have ur buddy open the door

[wanton dagger]

Doors are fine

[cinder anvil]

Doors are not fine when a ranger can open the door in like 3 seconds

[wanton dagger]

I actually like them this way very much, please don't pour a bucket of ticktock aids into this game, I like my slow combat thank you

[lusty wren]

Same

[cinder anvil]

I like slow combat but I dont like playing a class that can't figure out how to open a door

Or use a bandage

[lusty wren]

Do you fail to use doors?

Or bandies?

YOu obviously can figure it out lol

[cinder anvil]

Yes quite often I fail to do so because it takes so God damn long to use them that I either die or have to stop because someone is running after me

[lusty wren]

Sounds like a you issue tbh

[wanton dagger]

Judgement + root = profit

[cinder anvil]

It's not a me issue

[lusty wren]

You know you do not have to chase him right? You can cut him off use a different route surprise him

[bronze hedge]

Have you considered knowing the future and opening the doors in the past?

[cinder anvil]

Many people do not like how long it takes to interact with things as a cleric. They have already made a chance in favor of it but it's not enough

[wanton dagger]

Sorry lad chronomancy is not in the game yet

[lusty wren]

Who are these many people?

😄

[wanton dagger]

Ask your wizard to cast haste on you

Or make the wizard cast haste on himself while you buff your team

[cinder anvil]

Bro I'm not gonna ask my wizard to cast haste on me to use a bandage

[wanton dagger]

Not a bandage no

[lusty wren]

2/3 clerics here right now like it. Who are these people?

[wanton dagger]

Cleric is better off with pots

[cinder anvil]

2-3 clerics like taking 40% longer to use items than other classes?

[wanton dagger]

They cost only a gold coin more

[lusty wren]

I think its a good balancing tool

[cinder anvil]

You're wrong it's not

[lusty wren]

LOL

[wanton dagger]

Yeah it's alright

You can just use a potion

and give bandies to your team

bandages are not really a problem when you have 3 heals

[lusty wren]

If I need a bandie fast Ill just heal myself

[bleak monolith]

Lol “slightly nerfed goblin dmg” yeh instead of putting you to 60 hp it puts u at 65 lol

[wanton dagger]

bandages on cleric are for topping off after combat

[lusty wren]

The key is to not get hit

[livid drift]

I thought Bind didnt work on people it was that short of a duration

[wanton dagger]

not any other way

[granite plinth]

bind is completely useless

[wanton dagger]

Haven't tried it yet

But 0.75 looks a bit too short

[bleak monolith]

I mean kinda hard when u going into the circle with the fog coming at u and u need to open a door and the room is full of 4 goblins

[wanton dagger]

Cast bless + prot

bless gives you 3 agility

[bronze hedge]

You don't understand hank you're supposed to know the future

[lusty wren]

Ya, that is how the game goes. Its hard to do that in the normal dungeon also when you run into a room full of mobs while in the circle

[wanton dagger]

and that's int speed

People downplay bless imo

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[wanton dagger]

I have it up on me constantly when rotating in goblin cave

to move and interact faster

[cinder anvil]

Why are you guys fighting me so hard on trying to balance out clerics use timer. It doesn't even make sense canonically. Clerics aren't just monks they are basically warrior priests who are skilled in combat. Meaning they know how to use their hands likely less than a full fighter but certainly more than a child which is where they took inspiration off their agility and resourcefulness stats they gave clerics

[wanton dagger]

Also you get 4 of them back with a campfire

[lusty wren]

Clearly we find the balance to be appropriate

Its a very strong class

needs some weaknesses

[wanton dagger]

But really my man, just use bless

[cinder anvil]

It has plenty of weaknesses

[wanton dagger]

Saves lives

[lusty wren]

One being interaction speed

glad you are following along now

[granite plinth]

if u wanted to use realism just make it so all of wizard’s spells are instant cast and they all 1 shot

[empty maple]

hunting traps should be removed from the game

[granite plinth]

then cleric can never interact with doors again

[lusty wren]

If you wanted to use realism there would be no wizard

[cinder anvil]

Stop being condescending or this conversation is going to turn very quickly

[granite plinth]

not sure where ur from but plenty of wizards here

[lusty wren]

Popcorn time? 😄

[lusty wren]

You live in romania? 😄

[bleak monolith]

Those u can kill or survive but that goblin poison just destroys you

[lusty wren]

I dunno, that poison barely tickles me

[wanton dagger]

I like my paladin on steroids slow

It gives me an excuse to not open doors in a team

And i can actually use my buffs

when the team does it

[lusty wren]

Ya almost as if it makes sense from a design perspective 😄

[bleak monolith]

Just needlessly does so much dmg, face blocking a wraith isn’t that much dmg I believe

[lusty wren]

What class are you using? What tools to mitigate it are you using? Or are you going in with full plate and expecting to tank magic dmg?

[cinder anvil]

cleric when played with a team or not pressed is incredibly strong but they are slow in movement and using everything. I dont want to be a glorified healbot when i play a cleric. half the time im not even allowed to fight in combat because i have to heal my team mid combat and i risk my life if i were to engage in melee with another class and could lose the fight by doing so.

what you guys want is a heal bot which is not what a cleric is canonically supposed to be

[lusty wren]

Yes they are very strong. Which is why they have built in weaknesses like interaction speed

far from a heal bot, I am our teams front line also 😄

[bleak monolith]

Just naked fighter

[wanton dagger]

You'd have to rework cleric spells for them to not be a heal/buff bot

That's what they do

[cinder anvil]

keep repeating yourself to me you condescending little moronic dipshit and im going to block you

[wanton dagger]

They cast SUPPORTIVE spells

[lusty wren]

Nah they are not at all. They 100% can be front line fighters also

[wanton dagger]

I die to fighters too much as a cleric

Mid-lane is the way

[lusty wren]

I think you probably should just block me, if my comments are creating such an emotional roller coaster for you

[granite plinth]

😂

[smoky yoke]

Please be respectful and don't insult people, you will receive 1 hour of timeout, come back with a better attitude.

[wanton dagger]

One thing I'm gonna agree with khan is that proxy acts like a 3y/o with all the repetition, but that's about it.

[smoky yoke]

I'm asking to you to change the name, please.

[lusty wren]

Ya, it is a bit hard to not repeat yourself when they keep trying ot use the same excuse over and over. But alas it happens

Off to be productive now though, Enjoy DaD returning boys and girls

He will be out for smokes before you know it!

[reef cosmos]

@lofty hearth baannedd

[cobalt obsidian]

How about just hard limit the amount of traps people can take into raid instead of the vendors only selling them in limited quantity.

[bleak monolith]

Shields are absolutely useless

[stable sky]

Can add auto filler in empty slot before starting a match with default weapon.And also remove archer skellys second hit, it never misses impossible to play on rogue with that.

[reef cosmos]

Get good buddy

[wanton dagger]

Yeah they are not

Maybe the buckler is

But others are not

[bleak monolith]

Seeing a Rogues dagger go through my shield like literally seeing the blade poke through to hit me

Lol

So stupid

[reef cosmos]

Bad angle

[wanton dagger]

The first person animations for shield are... not great to be honest

You have to see how it looks from the side

Ask for a friend to stream you how you look when holding a shield

You'll understand it faster

[daring tinsel]

Thoughts on a lobby size increase to 18? Allowing more potential teams now that solos have a queue?

[wanton dagger]

Divisible by 3 nice and sound. But at the same time players will still do solo q in groups

Cleric ratting is a thing hehe

[livid drift]

@vernal spear @upbeat pewter @azure swan I want to know why you think it is fine as it is right now

[daring tinsel]

That’s ok, even if a solo queues in that lobby just gets 1 more 2 than 3 team

[wanton dagger]

It's fine I guess. But then I also want more time in the dungeon.

12 minutes seems a little too low

15?

[delicate tundra]

so Ruby takes 15 seconds to mine. takes 1 Min 15 second to mine a vine for a total of 5 ore. For the Purple Chest Piece (Plate) it will take 18 minutes alone just to mine the ore you need for it, ignoring the people who kill you along the way. also annoyed that i had 9 ore and a 3 stack where chill with me mining and then another 3 stack comes in and pretends to be chill before nuking everyone.

for a full set of Purple Plate armor you are looking at 49 full veins of Ruby or 245 ore or a full hour of just the mining interaction

[wanton dagger]

Sounds like pain.

Cause it is.

[delicate tundra]

78 powder for full purple leather set, or 234 ore (3 ore per powder as opposed to 5 per ingot) or an hour mining. js mining and crafting is awful

edited: I forgot to add the chestpiece

[white cliff]

Hence why the ore goes for 30g each

[delicate tundra]

30g is both to much and too little

its to much because it makes a purple chest crafted worth 2250g (which market chests arent selling for) but at the same time is to little for the effort needed to actually get and extract it

[willow nebula]

dude please fix the blue spawns in the goblin dungeon they constantly spawn on the top when no one even stays there it's a nightmare

[stone ginkgo]

Srsly the spawns are so bad right now you can pop up infront of the 2 elites

Horrible

[summer wraith]

dude, spawns in goblin dungeon are trash, the rooms you have to move through if you get spawned far from the zone make it RNG if you can even get out

[stone ginkgo]

Yeh, is making the game unplayable lol

[modern ibex]

Has anyone suggested expanding merchant menus to include more varieties of weapons or is that a stupid take? genuinely asking

I'd rather just drop 30-40g on a Grey Rapier/Stilleto set then have to grind out a couple hours just to hope I see a few stilletos let alone extract with them

[robust parrot]

i am new im getting smashed by mobs all the deaths in the game are provoked by mobs, there must be something im missing

😄

[mossy isle]

I think it would be cool to have a butcher merchant so you could by scraps of meat to feed to Otto.

[modern ibex]

^^^^^^^^^

[onyx patio]

I’m sure this has been said before, but it would be really nice to have two separate keybinds for party chat and proximity chat

[mossy isle]

I also think it would be cool on the butcher topic to be able to by cuts of meat that you could cook at a campfire that would do a heal over time like a potion, maybe a little slower but heals for a percentage higher than your stock healing potion

[delicate tundra]

the merchant loot table rotates and im pretty sure you can just buy grey rapier/daggers from them

[wanton dagger]

max hp buff sounds better

[mossy isle]

Didn't think of that, thank you!

[modern ibex]

You can but I check pretty regularly and I think I've seen weaponsmith sell Stilleto maybe a dozen times total across 3 playtests. Granted I don't play every day but the RNG of it just sucks. Like I played 5 hours last night and found 1 and none being sold by merchant

[robust parrot]

its hard to survive as solo player in goblin dugeon

lol

[delicate tundra]

i mean there are other daggers that can be used. stilleto is just a play style. i think their rarity is just luck based. however i do think the merchant loot tables could rotate more often. you could also just try and buy them on the trade market

[wanton dagger]

when i play goblin dungeon around 7/9 deaths are to mobs

Cleric feels great with self heals

feel sorry for other classes hehe

[steel spear]

I am annoyed that the weapons merchant doesn't sell them

[robust parrot]

yeah

[steel spear]

since the stilleto is crazy good

[modern ibex]

Yeah I mean it's not a huge issue just a little annoying how infrequently I get to use my preffered kit, same for Rangers who want to use spears or fighters who prefer zweihanders. Trade market is unreliable at best for just some low tier weps

[wanton dagger]

i like quarterstaff on cleric

get to use it like once per 5 matches

shame

[eager creek]

people really upvoting the no friendly fire suggestion?

[calm orbit]

repair the game pls

[calm orbit]

XDDD casuals as fck

[regal hatch]

do goblins not take magic damage from clerics?

[eager creek]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

^^ make it even more impossible for solo players lol?

[regal hatch]

idk might be a bug but it wasnt working earlier

[ember river]

Exactly, wizards could just spam fireball or chain lightning at their tank fighting the other player

[eager creek]

i cant imagine what they are thinking lol

Its like no team atk in smash bros, literal spam with no care in the world

[ember river]

Must be an archer getting his ass chewed out by the fighter he accidentally shot for the third time

[eager creek]

#d-and-d-suggestions message glad i havent tried trading goblin yet lol

they mentioned bard team killing too

like, how does one do that, are they blind?

[wanton dagger]

Trade channels are not working?

[eager creek]

nnah, theyve been down

updating them or something

[dim trench]

Are barbs the best class now? It seems like they're invulnerable to wizards, where-as before I had no problem dealing with them. Most of them still die. But really geared ones seem like they can just run in with no repercussions..

[eager creek]

bard has a skill that gives them like 100 magic resist

you prob just fought one who ran it

[dim trench]

Got 3 Direct Hits with Fire Ball, then 1 Lightning Strike, and then I hit directly with 4 Magic Missiles before Dying.

[cinder blaze]

Are there plans on nerfing the quarterstaff? People are running around with grey quarter staffs and out damaging anything

[eager creek]

he was def running the perk lol

[dim trench]

That's... Cringe.

[fossil ether]

Can u trade guys? I cant join anywhere ....

[dim trench]

Even with Haste, and Invis, I couldn't avoid him cause there's a stupid battle royale circle.

Well considering Wizards were nerfed, I don't see why Barbs needed a buff specifically against wizards. Especially one that grants 100 magic resist.

[true stag]

anyone else having problems with trade ?

[fossil ether]

Yep

[sturdy spear]

@edgy forge why would you dislike that suggestion where the person asked for: goblin trader does not give gray items

Are you a masochist?

[edgy forge]

the gamba is a cool aspect, and it's a good way to basically waste money when i don't want to deal with the trading posts. obviously most of the time I get really bad grays but the purples I've gotten have been really worth it

would be overturned if he consistently gave green+

[sturdy spear]

It's not good at all, there's no stonks in paying 75 to get a gray item (you can get even rare items with that gold and instead you get a gray???)

[edgy forge]

I've gotten multiple purples that would sell for 500+ gold on the trading post

[granite plinth]

fix servers

[sturdy spear]

Oh really? I've got such purples too but guess what: i need to spam the same item and message for the next 2 hours straight to be able to sell that, unfair system that needs to change (it should atleast be uncommon quality)

[supple plinth]

it's not an "unfair" system, that's how gambling works

[carmine fjord]

Bow is not working, not firing the arrows with Left click spam and with arrows in the quiver

[sturdy spear]

Same with crossbows it doesn't work

You need to hit left click multiple times to shoot an arrow

[edgy forge]

also i don't think people understand that the cave troll loot room is only accessible if you kill the boss, it takes so long that it's extremely hard to escape after killing the troll. escaping with the loot should be the reward for killing him

[sturdy spear]

It's frustrating (and can kill you)

[supple plinth]

I think overall the goblin dungeon needs some work, there are way too many mobs for solos

[cobalt obsidian]

Hitting a fighter 3 times with a long bow possibly once in the head and then twice with a spear and only doing 3/4ths of his health is not fun 😄

Fuck am i supposed to do there.

[supple plinth]

the 3man dungeons seem easier, but maybe thats because i'm just used to the layouts and stuff since last playtest

[cobalt obsidian]

This game is so all over the place.

[sturdy spear]

What bow did you have? What gear did that fighter had?

[plain canopy]

WIZZARDS NEEED NERFEDD MAKE 0 SENCE Y U GUYS KEEEP NERFING RANGER 3 TIMES BUT WIZARD GETS BUFFED CAN JUST SPAN FIREBALLS TAKE 0 SKILL

[cobalt obsidian]

decent enough gear that this guy should have been killed.

[sturdy spear]

I asked the damage of your bow

And the armor rating he had

[cobalt obsidian]

44 with +3 damage

idk what his armor rating was honestly idc.

[sturdy spear]

He probably had a rare fine cuirass with quite good perks

[cobalt obsidian]

I had very little chance of winning that encounter and it was dogshit.

I played just fine.

[sturdy spear]

Nuro get yourself a windlass crossbow or a simple crossbow

Headshot your enemies and watch how they die

[cobalt obsidian]

Oh ik i was beaming people with a purple windlass a few games ago.

[sturdy spear]

But you have one chance so if you mess that up you're gonna have to rely on your secondary weapon which I'd pick recure bow or survival bow

[cobalt obsidian]

I hit another fighter three times with that guy and he didnt die. Granted some time in between shots

the first shot was a headshot.

Tank fighters get a buff or what?

[sturdy spear]

I think he had tank perk yeah

And had rare + armor

Did he have an armet?

Because armets reduce a big amount of headshot damage

[cobalt obsidian]

Maybe the damage drop off makes fighters feel that much more tanky?

man ranger feels kinda shitty right now.

[sturdy spear]

Ye it's quite weak in solo if you are in close range

[cobalt obsidian]

There traps. Nerf the traps. I feel like the devs have nerfed everything about ranger except the actual problem

[sturdy spear]

Take your torch and run the hell away if anything gets close to you

[white cliff]

You can press X, and put away your weapon.

[sturdy spear]

Oh

I didn't know that

Thanks

[white cliff]

No problem.

[fair copper]

Guys one of my suggestion made it in the game! Cool huh

[eager creek]

thats always been in the game

its just you didnt notice it because wizards were overtuned lol

[white cliff]

Same with mine, about splitting the traders.

[fair copper]

Awesome job!

[eager creek]

Every class should have a counter imo

[sturdy spear]

Opinions on longsword block?

[eager creek]

which one?

[fair copper]

“suggest [Make Orb of Light wizard spell detect invisible players in a certain radius. Would make the spell be used more often. Spell capacity can be balanced]”

[sturdy spear]

Barbarian currently is my counter because my longsword block doesn't work properly against two handed weapons and fast attacks

[fair copper]

Can’t find the suggestion but it had a lot if likes

Around 20ish? Maybe more

[cobalt obsidian]

I just got one tapped by a dagger

[white cliff]

Good.

[cobalt obsidian]

They need to seriously figure out this balance thing

[white cliff]

I think the balance is perfect. No complaints from me.

Though if I complained about dying every time, I’m sure I’d have a list like you.

[cobalt obsidian]

The fact you said perfect reveals more about what you are doing right now than anything about the actual balance 😄

Its ok my friend you just like to instigate.

block me and go away

[tranquil laurel]

Their focus for now is content, they said they plan to balance the game when it hits early access/later than that as its only alpha right now.

[sturdy spear]

I'm not happy with wizard fireball damage and barbarian dual wield axe attack speed

[white cliff]

I really don’t, I have quite a large amount of messages discussing suggestions. What I’m annoyed with is you using this channel to complain, and stating something once you die like it’s a fact.

[cobalt obsidian]

Cant come quick enough. I definitely dont know how well they can do especially if this is their preliminary thinking :d

[white cliff]

Oh I died to a bow, oh I died to a dagger, I died to a wizard, and mobs!

Too op!

[white cliff]

Their focus is on content? Imagine perfectly balancing the game before it’s even completed, adding one mechanic or mob or spell that shifts that entire balance.

That would be such a poor dev cycle.

[tranquil laurel]

dunno about their thinking process, not a dev but i doubt this is a final representation of how its going to be or like its going to be. It will probably be vastly different when all classes/races/maps are out

[eager creek]

but they are balancing the game?

they just nerfed wizard and ranger lol

[sturdy spear]

Rn?

[eager creek]

ive never heard someone complain about rogue though, thats new

[cobalt obsidian]

Im sure it will be different. Far from perfect right now so it would have to be 😄

[sonic pendant]

yea wiz sucks now, too slow with everything

[eager creek]

i actually think rouge needs some quality of life buffs

[cobalt obsidian]

Rogue just one shot me. Felt awful.

[eager creek]

deserved, he was a 1 shot machine w gaste and invis last patch

[eager creek]

was he fully geared?

[cobalt obsidian]

I clicked right through to the lobby i didnt check what he had

must have been good though..

[sonic pendant]

deserved a nerf, yes. does not deserve to slow down so much when casting haste that a barbarian can catch me...

[tranquil laurel]

I think rogue needs some QOL or utility. Wizard needs the cast speed fixed, damage is fine for now but their invis needs tweaking a bit. I don't think a wizard should be more of a rogue than a rogue

[eager creek]

probably. At the end of the last playtest I dicked around in normals with full gear 2 tapping full teams as rogue

[white cliff]

The issue with rogue was gear creep so that checks out if it’s still a problem.

[sturdy spear]

Your problem for not carefully considering your position

[sonic pendant]

right, every problem in this game is a skill issue to some people. lmao. thanks for your input

[eager creek]

I disagree but to each their own

Mage is hard to balance, super op in a group, mediocre solo

[white cliff]

Disagree x3.

[sturdy spear]

I didn't say it was a skill issue 🤣

[eager creek]

last playtest mage was #1, ranger #2 solo classes

[white cliff]

I think a lot of it is a skill issue though. Like mobs aren’t really hard.

[sturdy spear]

This is a known tactic in any game, if you are a ranged player: you do not want to get close to any enemy

[sonic pendant]

"bad positioning" would fall under skill issue

[white cliff]

But there are 30k complaints from people dying to mobs because skill difference.

[eager creek]

Im one of those if we complaining about golbin dungeon lol

[sturdy spear]

And if you can't about getting close to enemies you're either inexperienced or just bad

[cobalt obsidian]

I actually dont see that complaint as often as other pvp related complaints.

[tranquil laurel]

well lets be honest about the mobs, most of the time its people complaining they cant facetank it

[cobalt obsidian]

Because the pvp feels all over the place. The AI in the new map needs tweaks so you see that right now.

[eager creek]

I think the pvp is good

whats wrong with it in your opinion?

[sturdy spear]

You know what i hate with the mobs? I can't dodge their attacks with my longsword
(It doesn't work)

[white cliff]

So hard to sort through the suggestions at all, somebody got 9 upvotes for wanting a normal lead board lobby, when it was moved to HR for a reason; to stop geared players from farming noobs.

Like it’s crazy that a solved problem gets traction.

[cobalt obsidian]

I shouldn't be getting one tapped by a rogue with a dagger probably.

[white cliff]

It’s going to be hard to sort though the trash till the PT is over.

[modern ibex]

Gear diff. That's all it is man

Rogue does high dps but not that much

[cobalt obsidian]

I shouldn't be hitting three longbow shots + 2 spear hits andonly doing 3/4ths of a fighters hp probably.

[sturdy spear]

Are you going to say i shouldn't have died everytime you die?

[cobalt obsidian]

Do i?

[eager creek]

record these instances of complaints

in your head youre playing perfectly

in reality its not the case

[white cliff]

Idk we ran Ranger with spear pocket the entire night and died maybe once lol.

[eager creek]

everyone is the hero in their own story lol

[empty maple]

its dmg isnt that crazy lol

[cobalt obsidian]

No I die plenty of times that are whatever. I died to a cheater three games in a row. Not gonna bichh about that.

[white cliff]

Lol okay.

[eager creek]

a cheater?

3 times in a row?

[cobalt obsidian]

Yeah super unfortunate

[modern ibex]

Cheater? That's what we're going with?

Lmao

[sturdy spear]

Died to cheater :Copium:

[eager creek]

I havent seen a cheater yet

but you got it three games in a row?

[mighty jackal]

so do cleric spells just not effect half the monsters on the 3rd floor now?

[white cliff]

In the last 30 minutes you’ve died 5 times and have complained about all of them.

[cobalt obsidian]

well unless wizards can cast magic missile while going 5x faster than a rogue

[white cliff]

Undead mobs only.

[cobalt obsidian]

ok he may not have 😄

[white cliff]

Do you have video evidence or?

[eager creek]

that story reminds me of pokemon #083

[mighty jackal]

holy spells should effect demons that is all

[white cliff]

If that happened to me I’d record it.

[cobalt obsidian]

The thing about that is you would have to be recording all the time.

[white cliff]

So every mob in the game besides dragon flys lol.

[eager creek]

or when you die, you spectate

[white cliff]

No, I have shadow play. I hit alt r and record my last two minutes lol.

[eager creek]

I have that too actually

always forget tho

[mighty jackal]

i mean yeah get some use out of the cleric damage spells they still cant hurt other players with them

[cobalt obsidian]

alt + r is my performance overlay.

[white cliff]

Or just start recording with spectator yeah.

[cobalt obsidian]

I'll look into that though.

[white cliff]

Re bind it. You have an Nvidia card?

[cobalt obsidian]

Yeah

[white cliff]

Yeah, you have the ability to do so then.

Maybe would give your complaints some more merit.

[cobalt obsidian]

Yeah i'll set that up. Definitely useful tool.

Trust me though that wizard was cheating.

He was moving while casting mana missile.

and going ultra fast.

[white cliff]

I’ve never seen a cheater, but I’ll take your word for it.

It’s hard to believe it was three times in a row.

[cobalt obsidian]

This is my first time seeing them ever. I've been here for most playtests

last playtest I was commenting on never seeing them.

[white cliff]

Same, I only missed PT1.

[bleak vigil]

They should add shields to merchants, everything else is being sold except shields it is annoying

[modern ibex]

And stilletos 😔

Just update merchant shops more, like every 1-2 hours

Lemme get them sweet sweet overpriced greens lol

[quasi epoch]

0 survival rate 00000 this patch is shit

[eager creek]

?

[quasi epoch]

i keep spectating everione is ding

everyone

[eager creek]

because they are new to the game?

[quasi epoch]

0 portals 10000000 AI

[eager creek]

in golbin?

[quasi epoch]

yes

[eager creek]

oh yea

that map is broken

idk how they playtested it and thought it was fine

[quasi epoch]

im angry )))

[eager creek]

just dont play it lol

im doing solo norms naked

and escaping half the time

[quasi epoch]

it just gives me pain

[modern ibex]

Goblin cave might need some work but I don't think that really warrants saying the patch is shit

I think norms is excellent

[quasi epoch]

not realy, i playd last 2 playtest they were a loot more fun

[halcyon sapphire]

Yup that’s what I decided to do is solo farm naked and escape early after some loot, and stash it all for later if I find a good geared group or high roller runs if I ever get there

[solar smelt]

why are the new races also not cosmetic only

[eager creek]

the new races have stats?

[eager creek]

yup, just grind levels

[solar smelt]

yes +1 agi -1 str which is confusing because they said they wanted races as cosmetic only

not only did they not remove the buff debuff from skeletons but they doubled down on race bonuses and negatives

[quasi epoch]

i can't enter in trade chanels, bug?

[modern ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1053792401543659520

Bugs channel

[royal basalt]

Make more discord vcs wtf

or have a channel that lets you create your own

[bleak monolith]

They gonna actually nerf goblins? Not this bs “-5dmg” nerf but an actual nerf where literally 80-90% of people in the lobby die to goblins within 3 mins , this is supposed to be a pvp game not a pve game I wanna fight people not be the last one standing after everyone else died to goblins

[rancid pebble]

it is not 'supposed to be a pvp game'

it is a game.

And PvE is a part of it

a major part of it

New players may be having difficulty killing the goblins, but the dungeon gives you plenty of time to clear every spawn room

[granite rock]

goblin dungeon is super hard for new players which sucks because most new players are probably going to pick the solo mode without knowing anything

[solar smelt]

i think goblin poison is a little unnecessary, maybe reducing the amount of mobs which spawn with it, like red skeleton vs normal skeleton

[lusty wren]

Shields are sold

[tranquil laurel]

I think the current goblin dungeon is meh, its highly favouring cleric players due to the solo nature but the loot favours rogues. Hard to gear up for clerics

[bleak monolith]

Nerf goblins

[eager creek]

no lol

[quasi epoch]

funy how people they dont even know what they want, i did the same sugestion 2 and i got a lot of likes and now only dislikes

[eager creek]

its not the goblins its the multiple enemy spawns

[graceful prawn]

Tbh I’ve never had much issue with the goblins usually the skeletons in the caves wind up kicking my ass or I somehow get stuck with the spiders making my life harder

I did spawn once in a room full of them and just got beat to death instantly but that was like once

[lusty wren]

Cleric is vastly superior in the normal dungeon. Even with groups rolling around, your mob clear speed makes a HUGE impact in there and youd get geared much faster just running norms

Likely have a vastly higher survival rate also

Portals start spawning like half way thru you can almost always get out as a solo if you play carefully

[granite plinth]

Why are death beatles so hard to kill?

[compact plinth]

Cleric can also cut negative status effects in half with a passive which is HUGE for goblin dungeon. Most of the damage you take is status effect.

[wanton dagger]

Guys i'm starting to think that cleric is op

[lusty wren]

Cleric is very strong

not OP tho

IMO

[wanton dagger]

fighter is still a pain in the ass yeah

[lusty wren]

When I play solo cleric though you would never get me in gob dungeon. Solo cleric is just to damn good in normal dungeons

[wanton dagger]

i run gob rn

Sanctuary just clears the dungeon for you

[lusty wren]

I run it on other classes just not cleric. I get way better gear, and get out way more often in normals due to cleric clear speed there

[wanton dagger]

Wish we had a place to invest gold into

like a house or something

[lusty wren]

How does sanctuary help? The vast majority of mobs there are not undead 😄

[lusty wren]

I got pumped hearing them talk about their plans for this would be sick

[mossy isle]

Chocolate milk consumable, does nothing but you get to drink chocolate milk

[wanton dagger]

It gives you enough health to comfortably mob farm and leaves your minor heal alone to for zone running

or to cast mid-combat

[lusty wren]

Ah, i never need more health

I dont use sanctuary as a solo especially

[graceful prawn]

I need it

Gimme a coffee consumable
No speed boost. It’s just coffee

[wanton dagger]

I think dungeon length is a bit too short no?

12 minutes seems too little for me

[lusty wren]

Yeah

I do agree

With the density and HP of the troll

its short

[wanton dagger]

dont forget he now regens health

so he's even tougher

[lusty wren]

Id like a bit more time for both dungeons to be honest though

[wanton dagger]

same

at least give me 15m

[lusty wren]

I do understand though the vision is three layers 12 minutes each is a good chunk of time. But I still think 15 makes more sense

[wanton dagger]

wanna run some dungeons?

[lusty wren]

Unfortunately still "working" for another 2.5 hours 😄

[wanton dagger]

hahha

[lusty wren]

They dont mind if I BS but that is about the extent of it HAHA

Some of these suggestions today are kind of mind blowing

[wanton dagger]

which ones?

[lusty wren]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[wanton dagger]

oh boy

[lusty wren]

lol

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

Decided to run a solo for the first time

Don't see the complaints.

Mobs seemed easy, 3 hits max.

[wanton dagger]

its a stroll for clerics

to be honest

[lusty wren]

I dont think the mobs are overly hard either, The density is quite thick though

[wanton dagger]

other classes have it tough

[white cliff]

Yeah I need to switch up my spells.

AOE doesnt seem worth.

[wanton dagger]

outside of fighter

[lusty wren]

Fighter is the primary way ive played gob dungeon

[wanton dagger]

go for judgement + sanctuary

[white cliff]

kk

[graceful prawn]

Rogue in gob dungeon is basically committing to the rat life style

It’s both relieving and hell

[wanton dagger]

you'd better not stab a buffed cleric

cause you're getting bonked

[graceful prawn]

Bleed them then run like the little mouse I am

[quasi epoch]

i just ||witnesed || a barbarian taking at least 7 arows and not diing

[wanton dagger]

they don't even feel the bleed haha

debuff resistance perk is good

[lusty wren]

By a survival bow? 😄

body shots?

Arm shots?

Lots of variables

[white cliff]

60 gold per run is abysmal though.

[graceful prawn]

The average dungeon skeleton is the same way

[white cliff]

I feel like I cleared a few mobs too.

[quasi epoch]

idk but the healt bar barely moved when he got shot

[wanton dagger]

i get at least 90

[lusty wren]

Id rather that though then it be better than norms

[quasi epoch]

no hedshots and chest

[white cliff]

True.

[lusty wren]

Ya and probably a weak survival bow or something.

But if someone is hitting body shots with a bow they are not going to kill very fast

Especially if its not a longbow

[wanton dagger]

when's the trading guild gonna get fixed? I have too much stuff to sell

[lusty wren]

Is it broke?

[wanton dagger]

yes

[lusty wren]

Happened today?

[quasi epoch]

the thing is you get more damage from ai bows than player starter bows?

[lusty wren]

was working well last night

[wanton dagger]

like 4 hours ago, still not fixed

[lusty wren]

Yes the starter bow is not very good. If you grab a longbow off a skele you do vastly more dmg

[lusty wren]

Lame hopefully its fixed by the time I get on I got shit to sell

[graceful prawn]

All the starting gear kinda sucks

[lusty wren]

Ya if your upset about the bow, try playing rogue and using that shit dagger

[wanton dagger]

wizard gives no shits

[graceful prawn]

Your fists do literally more damage per hit AND apply all rogue skills

The only reason to not punch your enemies to death is dagger is faster

[lusty wren]

Luckily you can buy books for wizards so they give no shits 😄

[wanton dagger]

Does a wizard even need anything besides a spellbook and a stack of healing pots?

[graceful prawn]

Protection potions are nice if you enjoy having enough time to react to the rogue that’s just joined the fight out of nowhere and is currently at your throat

[lusty wren]

Not really

[graceful prawn]

But they already start with one don’t they?

[wanton dagger]

one prop pot

junk quality

[graceful prawn]

🤢

[wanton dagger]

15 shield

ehh still better than nothing

[lusty wren]

Prot potion will at least make the rogue second guess before jumping you will likely wait for it to end

[bleak monolith]

Nerf goblins

[lusty wren]

They already did, everyone just wants easy mode I swear 😄

[umbral elm]

Mage perk, "Focused Casting" or something, allow mage to slow walk or crouch walk for 3 steps while casting magic missile and reduce movement speed penalty while charging a spell by 10%

Something to equal rogue perk to move in stealth

[lusty wren]

Wizard is plenty strong

does not need to be buffed

[umbral elm]

Would change up running the same perks constantly

[lusty wren]

Id rather do that without adding a large buff to them

[eager creek]

its pretty dumb how mage and fighter perks are non negotiable

except taunt if youre specifically trying to pve

i dont see much value in the rest of fighters

[lusty wren]

What are the NON negotiable perks of fighter?

[eager creek]

sprint and second wind

[lusty wren]

Those are not perks

they are abilities

and on that front id agree

[eager creek]

skills, whatever

[umbral elm]

rogue is still busted

[lusty wren]

how so?

[umbral elm]

I can drop geared dudes with a gray rondel dagger if I stack dots

[lusty wren]

Thats a very vague statement 😄 People kill dudes with all classes starter gear 😄

And the grey dagger is shit

Most competent players will beat you

until you gear up

[bleak monolith]

I’ll come back when the devs actually listen to the player base and nerf the fking goblins

Tired of playing a pve game

[umbral elm]

There was a whole patch doing that

[bleak monolith]

The do 5 less damage

[lusty wren]

Join normal dungeons

[bleak monolith]

I like solo

[lusty wren]

YOu can play them solo

you say no pvp in solo dungeon join one with pvp

😉

[bleak monolith]

N get ganked by a full team with a wizard cleric and fighter/barb lol rather just watch 7/9 people die in solo within the first 3 mins

[lusty wren]

So you dont want pvp ok

just trying to understand 😄

[bleak monolith]

That’s not pvp

That’s more of a waste of time

[lusty wren]

Many do fine in normal dungeons. Vastly higher survival rates than solo dungeon

[umbral elm]

Went into goblin cave with rogue spawn kit, killed 4/9 of the players

Feels like half of my wizard deaths are because im slow

[wanton dagger]

ditch yer robes

no use for a wizard anyways

Are invis pots even usable?

i cant find a good use for them

as a cleric anyways

[lusty wren]

Invis pots are OP

better than Hide in every way

[umbral elm]

Just gotta get in a good position and not touch movement keys, invis is good

[dawn ferry]

Ya'll gotta add back in the regular leaderboards. It was nice being able to see kills and escapes, etc for non high roller

[lusty wren]

The plan was to push the chads to a different queue

So that noobs would not be decimated by them

and I feel its worked well

All the super try hards are pushing for placement so they are always in high roller

[split flare]

Does anyone else hate when the consumables auto equip when you are keeping them in your inventory so that they dont give you away in the dark?

[lusty wren]

I dont think ive ever had this happen

#d-and-d-suggestions message

You think you want this

but you dont

😄

[jovial swan]

So my current suggestion has been posted:
-Players should have the ability to hover over items to automatically transfer them.
-Holding Shift + Right Click allows players to quickly transfer items between their stash and storage, and vice versa.
-Holding Shift + Left Click allows players to quickly transfer items into the stash of an applicable merchant for quicker selling of items.

This is mostly inspired by Rust's automatic-inventory mechanic that I assume works the same way, as well as a Minecraft mod's auto-inventory mechanic.

So instead of having to continually click items over and over again to move them around, it's now basically a swifter procedure.

This wouldn't impact your matches, since I did not mention the mechanic for that context, but it would greatly impact the quality of out-of-match gameplay in a positive manner.

So it's a QoL change that I believe is a win-win for everybody.

[vestal willow]

make the weaponsmith sell stilettos since he sell every other martial weapon

[neat depot]

Please open more VC channels, or make it so we can create one that dissapears as soon as it is empty

[lusty wren]

They did this last PT and it crashed the server due to load

there is voip now

Id rather have limited vcs in discord than a discord that does not work

[rancid pebble]

dont need more VC channels, there is VOIP

...

the main discord will become too laggy bro

[lusty wren]

Probably not, it will just crash like last PT 😄

[rancid pebble]

dude it lagged me yesterday

took a solid 3-4 seconds every time I opened this discord lol

[lusty wren]

Ya discord lags that happens alot on big discords but at least its up. Last PT with the vc creation bot it crashed like 6 times before they removed it

Just to much load

[covert sedge]

Nvm on my suggestion. Just noticed the q-and-a section which is basically the same thing lol.

[lusty wren]

make your own discord and invite those same people to it. problem solved

[thin zephyr]

not being able to jump over literal spiders is annoying

[lusty wren]

Crouch jump over them

[fleet rune]

Can we get a hotfix for the portals on solo. I just killed over half the lobby (5) and not a single was in the last circle. I can't justify bringing any gear in solo because of it.

[sonic pendant]

is there any ETA on trade chat hotfix?

[thin zephyr]

to be fair they have sound cues when they spawn

[fleet rune]

There's only 3 total and I didn't hear a single one spawn throughout the run (admittedly luck plays a role in that)

[lusty wren]

3 is not true

There are more

One is not a portal and is static

[river tiger]

yeah, there will be more, sometimes they just spawn somewhere you barely hear and/or on another floor

i agree there should be more portals

[lusty wren]

They literally just added more today

[fleet rune]

Clarify? The game tells you when they spawn

[lusty wren]

Negative one is static

There are 4 portals, and one static extract that is one person use

[river tiger]

yeah i know, i still feel it needs at least 1 guaranteed portal at the very end at the center of zone

[lusty wren]

That is an escape for 5 of the 9 people

[river tiger]

and a guaranteed gate-like exit after killing troll boss

[lusty wren]

5 of 9 escaping is a good amount IMO

[fleet rune]

I gotta look up the static extract then I guess

[lusty wren]

You can see it on the map. Its a big gate that when you go thru it caves in behind you

[fleet rune]

5 extracting would be reasonable compared to the 3 that I've currently been dealing with is ridiculous when factoring in the rng of the spawns

This last run I died at the end and only got 3 total portal spawn indicators on the ui so idk if the change is in yet

[lusty wren]

Just finished a run

its in

😄

But maybe some variable? I dunno I always use the static extract

[rancid pebble]

sam

when I get my ore I just sit invis there

so you should swing on it

[fleet rune]

Is the static extract only after killing troll trying to find resources on in but not seeing anything anywhere. (nm found something finally)

[rancid pebble]

wut

[lusty wren]

Nope, its just single use

So if someone else grabs it it will be caved in

[lusty wren]

I can dm you a video of it real fast? May help

Its the stairs icon on the map

Right side of map, in the middle. I dmed you

[blissful girder]

@fallen heath bro u can change voip input button aswell as output volume bruh

[wild wolf]

Hey guys i dont understand why the few people that voted reacted negatively to add keybind to the circle of spell i mean that change nothing if u have to press e first

[lusty wren]

If it changes nothing why do it?

[wild wolf]

because its an other way of doing that feel less clunky

it actualy change a lot of thing but that dont give a real advantage

[rough vapor]

I personally like the clunky and I play a Cleric mostly. Having hot keys for spells will make the casters faster and I am not sure I am on board with that kind of buff

[faint dune]

cant edit my suggestion cuz of slow mode :/

[lusty wren]

Often times wardens will do it for you from what ive heard

[rough vapor]

Btw, still laughing at the guy who can't kill reds and asks for nerf

[wild wolf]

i mean no need to make it clunky to reduce spell speed

[lusty wren]

Ever since the solo dungeon came in I swear the majority of "suggestions" are nerf game make easy mode

[lusty wren]

I do not find it clunky, I find it slow and methodical where all your choices matter. This helps with that IMO

[rough vapor]

That is fair. Maybe if they change to hot keysthey could add a small cast time increase.

[lusty wren]

Its supposed to feel slow and meaningful

[faint dune]

how do i ask for edit then? tag them?

[wild wolf]

if u like this way then good but i repeat u dont have to make the controller like this to feel this way

[lusty wren]

Feel like what? Meaningful and good? 😄

[wild wolf]

u seem to be some sort of retork guy i will make u say something positiv about it !

PRAISE THE KEYBIND

(add dps rotation pliz)

[lusty wren]

Gross

😄

[severe temple]

What is the best comp to run right now?

[wild wolf]

hmm glad there is conservateur like this this game is good already defend it with that tone

[marsh parrot]

Think my idea to lower the effects shown on skills and magic to make game run more smoothly would be good,

[lusty wren]

IMO Wiz/Barb/Cleric still

[marsh parrot]

Cause i cant stand have the skills n magic makes my screen freeze

[lusty wren]

but its debatable

[marsh parrot]

other wise games good

[lusty wren]

Upgrade your hardware

LOL

I am on a roll

[marsh parrot]

Lol im saving to

But for no it be great to still enjoy

and the pc i got wont let me upgrade it

cant even fit my GTX 1050 so having a option to lower effects down would be nice

[lusty wren]

I mean have you tried lowering visual effects quality?

And post processing quality

maybe render scaling also?

[mighty silo]

I feel like the ring shouldn't do damage and have a timer. Its very annoying healing, healing, healing and than dying anyways to the timer. Very frustrating.

[lusty wren]

Pay more attention to the timer then? Its really not that bad one pot and you can traverse a huge portion of the map inside the zone.