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[eager sable]

Suggestion from ninjabladeJr#9701

Add a Sap (Blackjack) weapon for the rogue.
It should deal a low amount of damage (less then the dagger) and headshots should pause enemy movement and animations for .3 seconds if the enemy has not been paused by anyone in the last 30 seconds.
After this .3 second effect ends, their previous action continues from where it was paused.
This would create an ambush/support weapon that trades damage for opportunities/utility.

Examples:
Someone is ducking in and out of a mobs attacks, a quick bonk and their timing is messed up.
A Wizard is casting magic missile and accurately tracking you as you close, a quick bonk and now their tracking might be a bit off as they reorient.
A Cleric about to buff a teammate and doesn't know you sneaked up to them, a quick bonk and reposition and now that bubble is yours.

However since the enemy animation continues and requires a headshot, it will be less useful in blow trading combat, and does not remove player autonomy like most cc

Opinion:

+1

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Suggestion ID: 1577802 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 6:33 AM

[upbeat pewter]

0.3s means.. they have 0.3s more to react to whatever you're going to do.

but meh, i like the idea of blackjacks, just dont see them as useful

[faint dirge]

what is a Sap

[neat dragon]

Bonkin' stick for knocking people out

[gloomy cradle]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from LazyGamer#6405

add a melee attack to the spell book allowing Wizards / clerics to slap with the book

Opinion:

+2

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Suggestion ID: 1577977 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

[gloomy cradle]

@hybrid pawn You madlad

📖

[livid mason]

It would be funny if it did less then a fist damage

[void jetty]

What do you think

about frotnite dance and skins?

[ebon delta]

Lol, someone actually suggested that)

[opaque slate]

beens suggested

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Cranky Chihuahua#2819

A setting to change the quick transfer item keybind (ctrl+left click / shift+left click .etc)

Opinion:

+4

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Suggestion ID: 1578212 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 2:52 PM

[reef blaze]

omg did they disable suggestions i never got to post mine because of the cooldown after my first post failed

[opaque slate]

its ".suggest" also did you wait the full 6 hrs

[reef blaze]

ya i waited i just saw the bot said the command was disabled or whatever

i'm gonna try it when i get back to my computer in a minute

i have the entry saved this time

thanks tho evan

[opaque slate]

[reef blaze]

it worked yay

i can rest at ease now

[crimson stag]

What do people think about if they did a prestige system like hunt: showdown instead of a wipe system like tarkov? Both work fine but I'm curious.

[reef cosmos]

Most of us including me think the wipe is good.
Too much stash and gold makes ppl not fear losing and kill the intent of the game

So it's a no no

So suggestion bot is ded?

@opaque shore ?

[reef blaze]

it worked this morning when i used it

[native cedar]

@crimson stag I have 3k hours in Hunt. I'm prestige zero. Not a fan of Hunt Showdowns prestige system or prestige systems in general.

[crimson stag]

Haha, I never prestige either. No value in the number for me.

[native cedar]

Plus it just hurts you when you want to meme.

O I can't run that silly loadout. I have to unlock it again.

[rocky oar]

I love prestiging

I 100% would got for that 100 prestige lol

[native cedar]

Cool I don't care about a number going up

a zero or a 100 next to my name is meaningless imo.

[rocky oar]

Big number make me go oonga boonga

[native cedar]

Everyone has their own dopamine triggers. Nothing wrong with that.

[opaque slate]

only if it matters 😦

hitting lvl 15 was it

[rocky oar]

It's the same reason Prestige became a big thing for CoD. People love getting to max prestige to show it off and show how much they play

[opaque shore]

It should be working right now.

[onyx shard]

i really hope they add fire damage to people cheesing on torches

[reef cosmos]

Anyone wanna suggest an option to choose to start between your 2 options of weapons?
Gray spear or gray bow.
Gray Feeling axe or Big Axe etc

[fading rain]

Really really hoping we can get solo daily Kill and escape leaderboards permanent. This would add so much longevity to the game and give content creators more to pursue

[cunning lintel]

Thought about it and it's bad, it only reduces item values, because you would be able to spawn with some items you normally would buy...

[reef cosmos]

Not exactly
I can say for the bow
The starting bow is 26 dmg, the worst bow on the store is always 30+
So it's still better

[cunning lintel]

What are you talking about?

Do you know you can only get some items through RNG or looting? And you basically want to be able to spawn with them, therfore reducing their value...

For example: Let's say i want to play with longsword, but i start with arming and shield, i have to buy it from other players or get lucky merchant offer through RNG, because longsword isn't always there. The value of longsword would come from it being uncommon weapon to get and if you want people to be able to spawn with a longsword, then you would only reduce it's value by making it a basic item. It's exactly why longbows are valuable, because they're uncommon, desired item.

[gloomy cradle]

suggest bot broken

and it wants me to vote for it the bot polls

[cunning lintel]

Have you suggested anything recently?

Maybe it's 1 suggestion limit, had the error too.

[gloomy cradle]

my last suggestion was yesterday

@ocean quartz VOIP is confirmed in the next pre-test

[cunning lintel]

He knows.

[gloomy cradle]

He trollin?

[cunning lintel]

No, he wants to know if people like the VOIP being added or not.

[gloomy cradle]

He said the developers have hinted at the fact that they will eventually add it in that implies he is unaware that it is definitely being added in

[cunning lintel]

He is aware that they're going to add it next playtest and just says it in an unclear way, all he wants to know is if people actually like it being added or not.

"the developers have hinted" part is just a comment.

[gloomy cradle]

Well I don't think he's allowed to use the suggestions for the developers channel to poll for community opinions. Maybe he is, but it feels wrong to me.

[reef cosmos]

I disagree
Come with me
The value of the weapon is not in rarity but on the status. A gray starting arming sword is not better than the one in the market, meaning no value was lost.

I want to start with a shit spear, it won't make me not want to buy other spears it will just make me want a better one

[cunning lintel]

You don't understand what i've said, read it again, i've never mentioned quality even once.

[finite tide]

I’ll be bummed if solo dung gets yeeted sounds like a lot of fun

[gloomy cradle]

It'll turn real bad once high rollers show up to slaughter noobs for kill count

[reef cosmos]

But I did, this is my argument

[rigid horizon]

Have a no gear dungeon for the noobies, and people who are shit out of luck. Cause when the game is out longer then a few days, theres going to be a huge gap between competant players, and the new guys who literally start with nothing and a dungeon that requires you to go in with only your starting kit would help prevent sweats raping those who are just not prepared for their shit.

[rocky oar]

dumb take

[gloomy cradle]

This isn't a noob friendly game. The devs openly embrace the chaos. This is the kind of game that tells you to git gud in the loading screen.

[fair copper]

Lies!

[eager sable]

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[reef blaze]

wat

[gloomy cradle]

no []

[reef blaze]

shit

.shortinfo 1577979 from what i gathered from the newest dev interview, they have added something like this for this next playtest 👍

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Kel0z#1875

Make a Global LFG Chat where you can post something like an application or something with all your qualitys ingame (skill,pref. class etc.) so people or existing groups can DM you But also existing groups should be able to post something like "looking for cleric with Skill lvl XY"

So essentially you can promote yourself and groups can search for specific types of people.

Also make it so it doesnt become like a chatting room. It should only be like a board where you can post once every 5/10 mins everything else should get resolved over DMs so it doesnt get clogged.

Opinion:

+16

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Suggestion ID: 1577979 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 10:39 AM

[carmine path]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from DavidAyyee#3428

make chain lightning and lightning strike do stun for 1 second

Opinion:

+1

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Suggestion ID: 1578623 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 7:03 PM

[carmine path]

what yall thinkin

[gloomy cradle]

Should insta-kill if they're walking in water or on metal too

[reef blaze]

chain lightning already kinda strong, adding a stun would be overkill no?

you can like two-tap teams with it

[carmine path]

it would be nice if there was a stun though it is lightning

[gloomy cradle]

Wizard is the least played class, they need something to attract more players

[reef blaze]

maybe separate skill that stuns that is lightning based would make more sense though? you have to agree that the stun would be too strong

[rancid gust]

yet they are nerfing it. they are strongest class. with least played

[carmine path]

devs never mentioned anything in the onepeg interview

[reef blaze]

they mentioned during the latest interview that they have "given up" on trying to make the classes equally spread with how many players are playing each but rather want to focus on making the classes fun without going overboard on cheese

[gloomy cradle]

Wizard will get changes, krapts said they liked the damage output of magic as is.

[reef blaze]

i totally trust their sense of judgement, but even if they mess up we can give feedback and know they will listen because they have done so in the past

[rancid gust]

base stat change since they are too much a damage dealer like soc. they think wizard should be more like muti purpose

[gloomy cradle]

They're probably going to shift 3-6 points of Will into Knowledge

[carmine path]

Im okay with more spells lol

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah, basically going to start at the top tiers and work down lol

[rancid gust]

i think that is the right way to do things too...why do we need the class play rate be the same?

[reef blaze]

i think its probably just nice to see all of the classes equally often in the game, but maybe this isn't really that important since the focus of the game as they mentioned is "providing the player's fantasy as they want it"

the focus seems to be more on looting and pvp, so long as the players aren't unhappy with fighting certain classes more often we can chill with those concerns. but in the future they may have to revisit this if one class is dominating (like the ranger in last playtest, but honestly, i didn't really notice this as being an issue given the short time we had to be exposed to it)

long-term gameplay exposure may see an increase of demand to address this, we'll see right?

.shortinfo 1578552 this is already being added with the next playtest @pseudo gulch

[eager sable]

Suggestion from GARON#9733

Please add the option to choose between solo que and team que. Let it not happen automatically that when someone enters a dungeon solo, it will only hit solo players.

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Suggestion ID: 1578552 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 6:21 PM

[ocean quartz]

just watched the q&a stream vob, but i don't think they mentioned skill trees, they said no quests, but does anyone know if there is going to be a skill tree?

[reef blaze]

no, there is most likely not. this has neither been confirmed nor denied from what i remember

[opaque slate]

#d-and-d-suggestions message feel like anything should be able to set off traps, like thrown consum. and arrows

[reef blaze]

would be a good way to nerf traps, as i see it right now if you step on a trap and someone is nearby you are basically dead

[opaque slate]

p sure they meant the perk, and traps being the ranger traps right

[opaque slate]

yep

[reef blaze]

has to be, can't think of what else they would mean

[opaque slate]

well id bet future classes would have traps on the ground

or the

[reef blaze]

the dungeon traps have taken so much of my hp

[opaque slate]

... skill issue?

[reef blaze]

100%

[opaque slate]

[reef blaze]

[gloomy cradle]

If you step on a floor trap it castrates you. You are then honorbound to die fighting in the dungeon. Thems the rules

[reef blaze]

the feminization traps

[gloomy cradle]

If solo dungeon has only 1 blue portal I'd play that

[reef blaze]

LOL only one survives

my hunch is that the dungeon floor itself is filled with solo players, but the boss is a solo instance fight. there may be a portal that allows you to fight the boss rather than exit the dungeon before finishing a run

[carmine path]

that would be neat

[reef blaze]

during the newest interview, the dev mentioned that there would be "chaos" if there were just a bunch of solo players trying to kill the same boss, and that's not really fun considering the potential to just die from another player while in this fight, so this is what i'm assuming they've done to fix that scenario

[lost oak]

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[eager sable]

Please provide a valid suggestion ID.

[lost oak]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Herbspiceguy#3651

The upcoming karma system for team/friendly killing should at least have a confirmation prompt for the player that was killed, to verify if it was actually intentional or simply an accident, as most friendly fire or kills are accidental, rather than actual griefing.
Without this verification the karma system could negatively impact the game as players will be too cautious of taking (any) risks at all and accidental killing of a teammate shouldn't be punished through karma, as it's not the intended goal. Losing a teammate due to accidental friendly fire is punishment enough.

Personally in my 60 hours of playing I've not experienced friendly killing/griefing once, but I did accidently blow up a teammate (or 2 😅 ) with a fireball... Also in the heat of the moment, especially when fighting in the small corridors there's always a chance of hitting a teammate, which could end up as a killing blow (99% damage done by enemy). I can imagine it's a frustrating experience to receive negative karma for that.

Another option is allowing for a team to decide whether they want use the karma system, by ticking a box.

Opinion:

+2

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Suggestion ID: 1578785 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 8:23 PM

[gloomy cradle]

Devs aren't dumb, you'll only get red-named if you team kill too frequently

And red-name only matters if you're using the in-game party system. If you kill your friends on accident they will understand more than some rando

[eager sable]

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[rancid pebble]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Eddy#7796

[You can build an editor to let people build custom map like in warcraft 3 especialy since the dnd genre have a crazy community and a charm of it is to build your own map, imagine people doing a session of dnd and come to your game to concretise it in an video game Also a way of monetizing the game and sell build pack]

Opinion:

+5

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Suggestion ID: 1578859 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 9:06 PM

[rancid pebble]

^super cool idea

[pseudo wing]

maybe? it sounded like people may be able to give u a karma rating regardless of if you kill them. which is probably fair. there are worse ways to troll people than killing them

[rancid pebble]

karma system only matters if you are queuing with randoms, and it is a warning

you arent affected by it, people can still queue with you, it really should not be a problem

[cunning lintel]

.shortinfo 1578805

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Jrdn#2036

[A 'graverobber' insurance system for one or two pieces of gear per raid/adventure. Highly, highly expensive with little chance of actual return. Would be a good gold sync for a chance to get gear back.

Opinion:

-7

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Suggestion ID: 1578805 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 8:40 PM

[cunning lintel]

This is not Runescape and you don't want people to run around with 1 or 2 items on them. Gold is not a valid penalty to get it back, people sleep on gold and on top of buying top gear, people would get 1 or 2 pieces back also with gold, which would be "cheap".

[ionic mango]

fire suggestion, "implement the (coming soon) skill tree" bruh

[cunning lintel]

Imagine suggesting something they already plan to do ...

[ionic mango]

.shortinfo 1579012

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Tardigrade#1211

[Please evetually implement the skill tree and other such planned mechanics, I believe build diversity not only through perks/gear but the skill tree would benifit the game and make for even more interesting ideas and gameplay.]

Opinion:

+1

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Suggestion ID: 1579012 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 10:32 PM

[ionic mango]

even went through the trouble of saying "other such PLANNED mechanics"...

[cunning lintel]

[blazing flame]

What does it mean when you make a suggestion properly following all guidelines, but it doesn't end up in the d-and-d-suggestions? Lol...I seens it, it was there...everything was done right, but it has disappeared into the nether realms.

I'm going to chalk it up to, "we're working on that already, no need for a suggestion." XD

[ionic mango]

they dont review suggestions as soon as u make them, they should always go to the suggestion channel, might have bugged

[blazing flame]

Yeah I posted it last night

[ionic mango]

try it again then

see if problem maintains

[blazing flame]

For science...

Just posted, everything appears correctly as it did last night...now we wait to see if it transitions from make-suggestion to d-and-d-suggestions

[livid mason]

you spaced it funny

so it didnt register

[blazing flame]

Am I suppose to put a space after it?

[livid mason]

you forgot the space in b/w

.suggest[ ->

[blazing flame]

yeah so I need to put a space between the bracket and .suggest

Should be good now...I think

[stuck perch]

What would people think if they made the pickpocket ability a default for all rogues and made the perk something that buffs it? Maybe something like the perk speeding up the theft and giving the thief a quick glance of the other player's inventory and his choice of item instead of randomizing the item stolen?
It's still a pretty hard skill to use and it's often said to be easier to just kill the target and loot them instead.

[livid mason]

nah you need to copy paste

to make it register, editing doesnt werk

[livid mason]

everyone would just kill a rogue in sight lol

[stuck perch]

Don't people already do that?

[livid mason]

Not in my experience so idk

[glad summit]

Quickpocketing would be hell of a fun if rouge can just grab something from hand of other player

Imagine whoosh barb without axe

[stuck perch]

Especially if the rogue just follows you around and tries to get behind you. Also keep in mind that any movement from the rogue or the mark cancels the theft action.

[blazing flame]

@livid mason Welp I'll post in 6 hours I guess due to the timer XD

[stuck perch]

Grabbing a held item might be a bit too much. Although belt items should be fine.

Grabbing a weapon while it's not equipped could be passible though.

Although losing your weapon, while funny for the rogue, would be quite the buzz kill for just about anyone else.

[glad summit]

if there is a player who allows opponents to get on his back and gives enough time to pull out a pocket trick - this player should be severely punished for such a mistake.

Also pocketing shield, barb axe or anything that doesn't fit rouge class can stun thief for a moment

animation in which the thief picks up a heavy ax but he can't hold it so he hides it in his inventory or throws it on the floor

[stuck perch]

Losing an item chosen by the thief is bad enough, not being able to fight back is something entirely different.

And if it's random, it's unlikely to be tactically meaningful.

[glad summit]

Well it have potential but also could be too op

[rancid void]

I think items on the enemies back should be fair game.

[stuck perch]

Items on the target's back, or his belts should be fair game.

The belt is a good compromise since items there are for usually helpful. Stealing random baubles like treasure or items the rogue can't use isn't worth the risk.

Thinking of Skyrim, it could be cool if the rogue could stealth up to someone then poison them with some sort of debuff poison.

[rancid void]

or just make the current potions have a negative effect when you have pickpocket and use it on an enemy

[glad summit]

Hmm actually stealing magic book from wizard or cleric when he is in combat position with weapon not book in hands could be very intresting and funny to play

[stuck perch]

Then would you be willing to waste healing potions on something like that?

[rancid void]

if the effects where good ya

[stuck perch]

Again while funny for the rogue, it might not be a net positive for the game.

[rancid void]

or well if they where bad enough

[glad summit]

Wizard or cleric would be damn suprised when seein rouge runnin away with bible 😆

[smoky yoke]

I can recover your own suggestion if you want, so you won't type it over again from scratch

I think you used the right command, but sometimes the bot might not work
now it works fine, try again later please

[blazing flame]

@smoky yoke I have it copied so long as I don’t reboot I’m good lol Ty

[lusty wren]

Well now that solo mode is coming next PT can we stop doing suggestions for it? 😄

[rancid pebble]

you assume too much of people, I still see "where is VOIP", "NEED VOIP NEXT PT!!!"

[lusty wren]

Ya probably true

[reef blaze]

anyone know why some posts are blue and others are green? thought it was the overall sentiment of the suggestion but nope there are counter examples for both

[lusty wren]

Ive not seen a negative ratioed post be colored

but I could be wrong

Id imagine its some form of positive ratio

[white cliff]

Inb4 tarcov 25 queue system.

[lusty wren]

Please god no!

[white cliff]

Where’s the info regarding solo queue? Did I miss a video?

[lusty wren]

They did a QnA yesterday

[white cliff]

Can’t believe they caved.

[lusty wren]

with onepeg or some shit

Its a new dungeon

troll cave

solo only

[white cliff]

Gotcha, I’ll have to go take a look.

[lusty wren]

highly experimental

[cunning lintel]

Stop spamming

[lusty wren]

NO

i

wont

[lusty wren]

They did say its to see if its a vocal minority or not. Extremely experimental

[white cliff]

So many gear insurance suggestions.

Gear fear is real.

[lusty wren]

I do not feel insurance is needed. Its needed in games that dont give a starter kit

But in DaD you literally always have a kit

[cunning lintel]

Rule 5, you should check it out.

[lusty wren]

If you have a problem msg a warden and leave me be 😄

[cunning lintel]

Rule 11...

[white cliff]

Don’t mind the person with the “1000 year old dragon profile picture”. Totally not a child.

[lusty wren]

Ya probably for the best 😄

[cunning lintel]

Yes, spamming is mature and having a profile picture featuring a game character is childish, you make a lot of sense.

[lusty wren]

They also mentioned that the troll will have some form of anti range. Curious to see if that comes into the normal dungeon on anything

Also very curious on what exactly makes it ANTI range

[white cliff]

Interesting, is it a text QnA or video?

[lusty wren]

Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsemYNS6n_8&ab_channel=Onepeg

This is it ^

[white cliff]

Appreciated

[lusty wren]

np

[ripe kayak]

hey WARDENs are we getting to play tomorrow plz say es

[rancid pebble]

what would people think of the suggestion to add utility to merchants and the 6 slot lootable ancient scroll? If there was a way to divine them which would let them become equipable so that other classes could use spells like they said was coming in the future during the december dev q-n-a? I think it would be an elegant system, and may even make the unused skill of 'item identification speed' actually matter. I dont know if the spells that would be gained from this would be spells we already have or if they were new less powerful spells. I can't make another suggestion today so just asking

[lusty wren]

Id prefer magic for non magic characters be in the form of limited use scrolls so this would work great for that. Though I do think it should be very selective on what classes can use what magic

[rancid pebble]

I agree. I think ranger should be able to use them for sure, another thing they stated in their qNa

[tender magnet]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Eddy#7796

[You can build an editor to let people build custom map like in warcraft 3 especialy since the dnd genre have a crazy community and a charm of it is to build your own map, imagine people doing a session of dnd and come to your game to concretise it in an video game Also a way of monetizing the game and sell build pack]

Opinion:

+24

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Suggestion ID: 1578859 | Submitted at · Feb 2, 2023, 9:06 PM

[tender magnet]

no cause that actually sounds awesome

yeah there are some nice programs out there that are a good few steps roll20 for online dnd sessions,
but this takes the cake.
being able to build a map for them to get through with some basic objective built into the creator like time limits, pick up an object, interact with level, etc.

[lusty wren]

"sell build pack" so you want them to sell packs of assets that they bought the use of? 😄 Seems like you should just pay the artist if you want their assets 😉

[tender magnet]

Idc about the build pack, that isn't my suggestion

[lusty wren]

Sometimes the bad suggestions get a good ratio its sad to see 😄

[tender magnet]

Well the main part I'm referencing is the warcraft 3 map creator idea

the map creator gave ENDLESS life to warcraft 3, and subsequently Starcraft 2, both with crazy fun custom games

[lusty wren]

Ya, people often destroy their own ideas by adding to much extra shit 😄

[neat dragon]

can't wait to play footman frenzy in Dark and Darker

[tender magnet]

Yuh

give me my tower defense dark and darker

[lusty wren]

You can go buy the assets right now. I dont think DaD could even legally sell them. They simply bought the rights to use them 😄

[tender magnet]

i'll be a miniaturized, super fast skeleton "builder"

[lusty wren]

If that part was not in the suggestion itd be fine

[tender magnet]

Yeah but you keep talking about it

Just like

ignore it

[lusty wren]

Yes because its in the suggestion

Nah

its one suggestion

if half of it is shit its all shit

[tender magnet]

I'm not going to put my own suggestion up there saying the one part of it

I don't want you to go vote on it

[lusty wren]

I already did

😄

[tender magnet]

I'm trying to have a conversation about how good a map creator would be

[lusty wren]

And I am trying to have a conversation about the suggestion you displayed

You know what the channel is for 😉

and as I stated half of it is fine, the other half is shit

[tender magnet]

cool cool

[neat dragon]

give custom games

[tender magnet]

give me custom games

I want to play castle wars

[lusty wren]

TBH they already just created a third split in the playerbase. I think splitting it even further is a bad idea

[tender magnet]

Did they? I didn't listen to q&a yet

did they confirm solo q?

[lusty wren]

yup solo only dungeon

[tender magnet]

hm

[lusty wren]

not solo q

a entire dungeon for them

[blazing flame]

Yup Solo dungeons

[tender magnet]

yeah

that's cool ig

[neat dragon]

there's no chance that custom games existing will ruin queue times

[lusty wren]

Which is even worse imo than just a solo queue

Takes dev time away from the best part of the game

[tender magnet]

Custom games may split the base, but it'd be after the game is released (I'm sure) and they have time to make it, and the playerbase has steadied out

Custom games has made warcraft 3 and starcraft 2's lifespan multiply

[lusty wren]

adding any divisions can hurt queue times. We have 0 clue what retention will be like. And we have 0 clue what the playerbase will look like when its not F2P. we already have 3 separations. More just leads down a bad path

[neat dragon]

for sure, no one wants them to drop everything they're doing to add customs lol

[lusty wren]

Ya, if it was after the fact and they have a solid grip on their retention and playerbase it would be fine if the numbers support it

[tender magnet]

Yeah!

[smoky yoke]

why it would hurt queque times if games start regardless of the presence of players 🤔

[lusty wren]

Sounds boring

I want full games

Not raids with half the people in it

[tender magnet]

meh, 10 player games are fine

[lusty wren]

If the option is to have not full games or another mode. You kill the other mode IMO

[smoky yoke]

as long there are people is always fine

[lusty wren]

2 teams in the dungeon sounds fun to you?

[shadow maple]

i think custom games would be a bit pointless in a playtest, where the devs are looking at data and stuff to try to fix and balance stuff

[lusty wren]

2 teams is not a fine scenario for this game

😄

sorry 3 I cant type

[neat dragon]

I think we're going on the assumption that customs would be a "much later" addition

[tender magnet]

Not saying for the playtest, i'm saying once they have everything settled down and done

yeah

[tender magnet]

^

[shadow maple]

ah alright then

ive actually never seen an SDK in UE5 before, wonder how much different and hard it would be to make

i mean it is basically ue4 with extra bells and whistles so wouldnt be surprised if it was basically the same

[smoky yoke]

it's all experimental as they stated in the end, they may change in future or directly remove it
I'd wait to see in the next playtest first

[lusty wren]

yes I was referencing the plan for this PT which is a SOLO only dungeon

Not a solo q

[shadow maple]

i hope you can choose to queue solo in non solo dungeons then

[lusty wren]

You can

[tender magnet]

Agreed

Oh sick

[lusty wren]

They already said you can

[shadow maple]

sweet

[lusty wren]

What I want to know is, they said the solo boss has anti range

[tender magnet]

I think I'll enjoy solo dungeon as a rogue

[lusty wren]

I want to know what that anti range is

[shadow maple]

likely just a shield or something

[tender magnet]

god I need to go watch the interview

[lusty wren]

and if it will come to normal dungeons or if they are really going to create mechanics just for solo

[lusty wren]

If you scroll up I posted the link a bit ago

[shadow maple]

yeah not sure how much i agree with solo only, its neat if youre just getting into it but you can definitely pick your fights enough to the point where i dont think its nessecary

[vital fox]

solo dungeon is going to be nothing but rats

[lusty wren]

^

[tender magnet]

it's also in #dev-qna-archives

but thank you :)

[lusty wren]

Ah ya true didnt think about that 😄

[tender magnet]

I like the readable version

[lusty wren]

I felt that version removed alot of the nuance of what he was saying. He went on very long tangents that did not translate well

😄

[upbeat pewter]

Nothing wrong with rats

[vital fox]

there will be when solo's full of rogues invis around every corner

[upbeat pewter]

Basically.

[lusty wren]

ya solo mode sounds lame to me. Id rather solo in the normal dungeon or high roller

[vital fox]

lol

[lusty wren]

Especially if it stays epic loot being the highest you can get in solo

[upbeat pewter]

Look on the bright sidem solo mode is a buff to wizards in 1vX

They'll assume the wizard isnt alone.

[vital fox]

yes i cant wait for the data from playtest 4. just to see how many people que normal dungeon solo or how effective the karma system is

[lusty wren]

Sounded like the karma system will be very lenient

So I doubt it will have any effect

May even get people trying to farm red names

I want a red name

[agile condor]

Definitely a let-down to think about all the effort that went into a solo queue mode, dungeon, & boss this playtest over other things

[lusty wren]

They basically said it was all theyve done

[agile condor]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

I was very saddened to hear that

The exact reason I didnt want a solo q

Take dev time away from the best part of the game

[upbeat pewter]

Most of what they did was polish

[lusty wren]

and its already showing

[upbeat pewter]

Not soloq

[agile condor]

It's like here's a solo player experience, oh and you can buy bandages in stacks

[lusty wren]

Watch the interview. They are rushing the QOL stuff in the last few days because for 3 weeks they just been working on solo q was the impression I got

Almost all of the QOL changes they talked about said are being done in the next few days

[upbeat pewter]

They said a few worked on soloQ, and the focus was polish

For the steam event

If it wasnt for steam event, they'd have gone full content

[agile condor]

Coulda had Bard, B1, other B2 maps, talents, anything lol

[lusty wren]

Got a time stamp? This is not the impression I got at all 😄

[upbeat pewter]

Nah, but thats definitely what he said.

[lusty wren]

I just rewatched it a minute ago also. And got the same impression. They spent the majority of dev time on this cave

the majority of 3 weeks

[upbeat pewter]

I wasnt focusing through the whole lot, but that part i was lol

He didnt say a majority of their time was on it at all though

[agile condor]

Idk I heard that but it felt like the fall back when most of the chat typed L from the solo queue stuff lol

[upbeat pewter]

He just said that they only started in january

[agile condor]

I mean

Obviously

The playtest ended 12/26

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, but not really relevant. He didnt say it was a majority of the work at all

[lusty wren]

"“Okay, well, If we do have enough sleepless nights, we might be able to do this!” That’s where we’re at right now. It was built in basically two and a half weeks"

[upbeat pewter]

He went over that because they needed it to be a demo, it needed more polish than normal, so that was the focus over content.

[agile condor]

I mean... they even put together a RL puzzle to announce it lol

[lusty wren]

Sounds like focus was on this cave

[agile condor]

thinking it's some small thing is naive

[upbeat pewter]

Sleepless nights, meaning they'd need that to do it with their current plans.

[lusty wren]

LOL

show me a timestamp or a quote

[upbeat pewter]

You're assuming they dropped everything for solo

[lusty wren]

They essentially said it

I am assuming nothing

[agile condor]

Also Karma system? Did anyone ask for that? lol

[upbeat pewter]

But it could be that in order to do solo, they'd need to run long nights to do their current plan AND solo

People want something to stop TKs, absolutely

[lusty wren]

He literally says NOT YET but we are doing it in the next few days to almost every QOL addition

The focus was as they said this cave

Yes they are doing QOL because of the stupid fest

but that was not the focus

[agile condor]

he said TKing is part of the game, why waste time on this?

[upbeat pewter]

You seem adamant to assume its the cave, so im not going to bother convincing you otherwise.

[lusty wren]

He stated it, i gave you the quote. Now you give me a quote that proves your position 😄

[upbeat pewter]

TKing is part of the game, but players still need a tool to help get around it

You're quote doesnt necessarily mean what you think it does.

Assumptions arnt proof

[lusty wren]

It means it was a large part of their focus for the 2.5 weeks they were working on it

Instead of working on the actual game

[upbeat pewter]

No, it doesnt. As i said, long nights could easily have meant they needed long nights to include it without compromising plans.

[lusty wren]

lol

ok bucko

Ill move on

[upbeat pewter]

Im not saying its either way, as thats an assumption.

But its also not proof of either

[lusty wren]

I dunno wtf you are even talking about. It 100% shows they put dev time towards a solo q instead of putting it towards the normal dungeons

[agile condor]

https://youtu.be/CsemYNS6n_8?t=3829 an off-comment while talking about the trading lol

@lusty wren This is what he's referencing - still my point stands, effort was put into a solo experience, dungeon, and boss rather than other stuff - https://youtu.be/CsemYNS6n_8?t=2616

[pseudo wing]

why are people downvoting standing on wall torchs causing damage? get off the walls jerks!

[agile condor]

Cause noone cares about that and it's suggestions like that with how we get to another playtest with no new content lol

[lusty wren]

Ya, I knew this is what he was going to point to, but as he starts elaborating on these things he constantly is saying things like "not yet, but in the next few days we are doing x y and z"

The wizard changes for example. They know what they are but have not yet done them as of the time of this recording

But ya the overall point was DEV time was used for a SOLO Q instead of on the base game

Which was why many did not want a solo q

(along with splitting playerbase)

[lusty wren]

If you are getting burned while standing on them, I would assume youd get burned by bumping into the flame also

This is why i downvoted

[pseudo wing]

standing on lantern fire burns. I don't care that much but if fire in general burns when you touch it seems fine to me.

[agile condor]

So if I throw 500 torches on the ground and you need to walk over them, you ded? XD

[pseudo wing]

if someone threw 500 torches on the ground and it caused me to die it would be the greatest experience in this game I've ever had

Possibly the greatest experience I ever could have

[agile condor]

lol

alright, 20, not 500

[pseudo wing]

then I pick em up

[agile condor]

While I'm shooting you in the head lol

[pseudo wing]

I think that's fine

[lusty wren]

Sounds tedious to me, constantly backing into them when fighting or turning a corner etc

[agile condor]

Cool - in 1-2 years they can look at that idea lol

just see it as a huge waste of time atm

[pseudo wing]

sure I agree it's not a priority either way if it's not super ez to do

[agile condor]

If there is a torch underwater and you step on it, still catch fire?

[lusty wren]

Wait I never pulled a torch out under water

What happened?

😄

[agile condor]

nothing, it's still lit lol

no difference

[lusty wren]

lol figures

[agile condor]

😄

[vital fox]

my suggestion was not for the throwable torches, it was for wall torches. it allows for some pretty cheese fights when a ranges characters can parkour on the torches

its a QOL suggestion.

[wide tinsel]

If you mean the "water room" that surrounds a single chest, and you can go down. That's not water. That's implied to be an illusion spell. Look at the torches down there.

[agile condor]

Yeah, so I really don't wanna waste time on this lol

[reef blaze]

there's too many torches in the game already and doing this would just add an annoying mechanic to avoid getting close to torches (when you generally want to be close to them). no from me

[vital fox]

i think an even more annoying mechanic is someone standing on the wall with a bow. unreachable by melee characters. im purely talking about standing ON TOP of the wall torches which is not something someone does on accident

[reef blaze]

i mean if it really comes down to it, that's just simple strategy whether they're on a torch or any other higher part of the map. just run away. they have to come down eventually

this is my "it's a feature, not a bug" take

[vital fox]

yes, you are right. was just thinking of some QOL things for later down the road

[blazing flame]

@vital fox I think the torches should burn

I think the torches we wield should do minor fire damage

[vital fox]

that would be a pretty big ranger trap buff

not that big ig idk

[smoky yoke]

torches would make traps to be visible 🤔

[vital fox]

yea took me a sec to realize haha

[smoky yoke]

also btw I see what you mean with your suggestion, but i think it may be a bit excessive for the gameplay but it's not that wrong to think it about it in fact

i wasnt able to step at the top of wall torches though
i wonder how many spots there are

[vital fox]

the reason i suggest is i did it to others as a ranger lol

[nova sedge]

Make sure to go updoot my “make rogue stealth 10 steps base with 20 asa perk

[vital fox]

there are alot of spots that do not involve jumping from torches but it takes alot of the spots away atleast

[smoky yoke]

a thing i'd like to see about the 10 steps perk of rogue, is some UI icon because sometimes it is not very clear to know how many steps we do, especially when we are crouch walking ect

and I always do 7 or 8 steps because afraid to break the invisibility
🤔

[blazing flame]

Lmao it didn't take my suggestion again....ffs

[nova sedge]

I just think it’s kinda lame that you have to expend two feats and a skill slot on stealth just to make it viable

No other class has that issue

If you take stealth you have to take at least sneak… and almost have to take ambush

[smoky yoke]

maybe the 10 steps perk should be included already in the invisibility perk

by default

[blazing flame]

@smoky yoke I think that would be good, like a countdown of some sort

[smoky yoke]

cause weakpoint + rupture is way more reliable

[smoky yoke]

yes

[blazing flame]

Also it didn't take my suggestion again...for a third time

XD

[smoky yoke]

oh that's weird

[blazing flame]

I legit put it in, checked, it appeared, poofed away this time so I thought it took. But never appeared in the actual suggestions

[smoky yoke]

oh you did ".suggestion" but it is ".suggest"

[blazing flame]

I think I just typed .suggest [

Ill get it right at some point I guess

[nova sedge]

Go updoot my poll on the #d-and-d-suggestions tab then!

[nova sedge]

Yea, follow the rules exactly as shown in the channel. I haven’t had an issue yet

[smoky yoke]

oh i see
i like it

[blazing flame]

@nova sedge Yeah I messed up a few times with spacing I guess and then this, kind of wish if it doesn't actually count then the timer shouldn't count against you... now I have to wait another 6 hours

[nova sedge]

If I didn’t just post one I’d offer to do it for ya pal

[blazing flame]

Lol appreciate it

[blazing flame]

I like the idea of Guild Halls...however I don't think they should be anything more than perhaps the Tavern setting where you can gather. Players who join a Guild would actively see how many people are in the 'Guild Tavern'. Or perhaps the Guild is just another GUI where you can tab over from looking at Randoms to join, you see the 'Guild Hall' where you can see who is ready to group up within your Guild and sit at their table or message them.

[trail quartz]

Guild halls, taverns, village camps, cities, vendors and players vendors

[gloomy cradle]

remember they only have one 3d imager. This hero has to do all the mobs, all the items, all the NPCs, all the PCs, all the equipable items, and all the floors, walls, ceilings, and objects in every level/building.

[granite plinth]

People suggesting talent trees etc. I’m wondering if they’ve even looked at the other pages on the chars. There literally is one in game so it’s already planned just not available to us atm

[granite plinth]

Great idea to help train your friends in different fights learning how to parry etc.

[mortal lichen]

@amber tartan care to elaborate?

[amber tartan]

on my suggestion or why i downvoted yours?

[mortal lichen]

the downvote.

Do you play rogue yourself?

[amber tartan]

well its a bit out of the blue and drastic to remove an entire class

[amber tartan]

i main wizard and barb

but nerfs are definitely in order

[mortal lichen]

that explains everything.

Agree

rogue nerfs

[gloomy cradle]

Join the magic revolution #1026916693806686208

[static coral]

make a chat for looking for teamates and set chat timer to 1hr

@dawn grotto xx

[gloomy cradle]

they already going to have an in-game party finder. Maybe wait to see what they do with that before trying to improve it.

[static coral]

cheers didnt know

[reef cosmos]

Wouldnt guild halls or guild taverns be essentially lobbies? wouldn't that overload the system with lobbies and cause trouble?

[upbeat pewter]

depends.

if they can freely be created, possibly.

but the reality is that people are going to be creating an instance anyways. max for a map is 16 atm, or 32 for maps? i forget the numbers, but whatever, and half of those immediately start a game halfway because they died straight away

in a guild, or a dungeon, same thing really.

[mossy ruin]

Tons of games have stuff like that, should be fine id hope. I remember in Guild Wars waay back that shit was cool but this isnt an mmo so its not the same mayhaps

[opaque shore]

.shortinfo 1579878

[eager sable]

Suggestion from SparkyCJ#7599

more 3 man voice channels, and some 2 mans would be nice as well. (thinking 500 3 mans and 150 2 mans

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1579878 | Submitted at · Feb 3, 2023, 12:43 PM

[opaque shore]

@granite plinth There won't really be a need for this since were getting VOIP + Party finder next playtest

[granite plinth]

im still gonna use discord though over ingame voip

being able to create a vc link saying "lvl20+ ranger" is so much easier than using any ingame system

[upbeat pewter]

if you still want to use voice, you can just make private discord calls

there doesnt need to be voice channels here

[opaque shore]

The biggest problem having so many voice channels is that It lags the server, a lot.

[granite plinth]

thats true, but dont big communities get discord support?

[mossy ruin]

When this game get bigger, people will make communities around it and players will play elsewhere and things will sort out naturally. Theres plenty already.

[upbeat pewter]

or just make temporary servers/calls

[mossy ruin]

Some others might not, also helps your issue that i assume is too little channels

We already have throwables and Ranger, why javelins a problem?

Classic brain clot

[naive thicket]

Too much dmg for a throwable, little counterplay when shields don’t cover the head

[upbeat pewter]

who says it has to have that much damage, though?

[mossy ruin]

But it's not in game

yeah, why even assume it has issues already

[upbeat pewter]

you should assume things are going to be balanced, not placed in with some pre-conceived number problem

yeah, theres no way it would do that much damage. thats one hitting most players

[mossy ruin]

Javelins are vastly cooler than throwing axes thats for sure

[upbeat pewter]

it would do more damage than axes, but also have a windup time

[mossy ruin]

im expecting a numbers bloat at some point tbh

[naive thicket]

I just know in other games they can be aggravating to play against cause it turns into who has more shit to throw instead of who can actually brawl

[mossy ruin]

already like that if u bring them. Ranger already unpushable.

but yeah

[naive thicket]

If they are added, I’d hope they are only slightly stronger than throwing axes

[restive rock]

@mortal lichen Having 2 suggestions in 1 post perplexes me, as it limits us to saying yes/no both or staying neutral.

[mossy ruin]

doesnt matter, removing Rogue is a no, and buffing Wizard is a no. Wizard was OP needs fixed and ofc Rogue is here to stay. Pretty sure its a meme suggestion.

@carmine path im confused by your suggestion. There is already no kill feed in high roller.

[carmine path]

[upbeat pewter]

wizard wasnt really overpowered. wizard just made best use of broken stats (all stats). obviously rogue being removed is a dumb idea

[mossy ruin]

Still needs fixed, not buffed

[vague thorn]

Is there any reason as to why you haven't implemented a bot for adding and removing rooms on user queries?

[south edge]

Are the suggestions that I create hidden from me ?

[smoky yoke]

you used the wrong command, it is not ".suggestion"
it is ".suggest"

[south edge]

Ty

[opaque shore]

That would be even more lag, they purposely did not do this last playtest because of the lag.

[signal vine]

.shortinfo 1579596

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Peyter#7940

[Crafting Armor & Weapons] By adding weapon parts like ; Blades, hilts, pummels. handles, strings, staff sticks, gems; Each item will have a random stat and a chance to have an enchantment variety just as you would see on a weapon. This would add more loot to them game, allows players to customize gear to their play style, and create more of a risk/reward for items. (It reminds me a bit like KOTOR & building a lightsaber) Same for armor finding ; fabric, chest plate, metal ingots, chainmail. This is somewhat done with the ruby silver ore but you are stuck with what you can get from traders. In conclusion crafting items would be a regular use to get better "Rare level" type gear and a grind to get a well made "Epic Level" gear (faster to just find Epic level gear but without the choice of stats).

Opinion:

+20

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1579596 | Submitted at · Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 AM

[opaque slate]

me when im trying to pick up string for bows

[carmine path]

me when i find a roc;

🪨

[jaunty gulch]

whyd u say to take out kill feed in high roller when its already not there did u not play it?

[gloomy cradle]

who even remembers PT3 that was a lifetime ago

[opaque slate]

its okay were almost there

[carmine path]

good

[quaint ivy]

hows all my fellow wizards doing

[rocky oar]

[cunning lintel]

Suggestions like removing rogue should be deleted, change my mind...

[quaint ivy]

rogues are fun idk why people like to cry, let every class be broken in their own way G

[rough vapor]

I know this is older suggestion, but the ignite not working with invis makes sense I'll admit. Even if magic fire and regular fire are different. Although, that suggestion ruins something that is enjoyable as the wizard. Maybe just make the combo more difficult to be successful, such as lower the bonus to damage from ignite. It'd be nice to still use this on players that panic when surprised.

[cunning lintel]

I've noticed Wizard and Ranger players want their class buffed, which is out of the mind and they're not even trolling...

[rocky oar]

They are def trolling xD

[slate tartan]

They aren't broken it's obviously a troll suggestion, he literally says buff mages lol

[rocky oar]

I've seen it too

They are most certainly trolling

[cunning lintel]

No no, read some of the messages on this channel...

[quaint ivy]

im a wizard player and I've been saying nerf wizards invis or change the ability lol, it shouldnt be better then rogues invis.

[rough vapor]

Then make the rogue invis better imo

[cunning lintel]

I'm not talking about recent suggestion like "buff wizard", that's a troll, i'm talking about people who genuinly want ranger buffed..

[slate tartan]

You ignore those people

[rocky oar]

I can't speak for low skill players but, I never lost to melee players once I learned the game. Wiz and Ranger are def unfair to Melee classes in my opinion

[rough vapor]

Wizard and rogue have traditionally always been high risk high reward classes. They should be glass cannons

[quaint ivy]

Did you ever run into usane bolt? fighter + wizard combo?

[rough vapor]

You describe what I did last play test

Called teamwork

[rocky oar]

I think I did once and sadly for literally all classes in the game, there is almost no MR to counter Wizards so I just fireball him and he couldn't do much

[quaint ivy]

lol the run ability + wizard haste + speed shrine = godlike speed

[rough vapor]

Most parties lacked playing to their strengths. Example, don't run into a small room first as a Ranger.

[cunning lintel]

Yes and at the same time when you think about ranger/archer or anything with a bow, you think of steady, ranged dps, without anything special, with gank all in counter play, that forces ranger to increase distance...

[rocky oar]

I sometimes let people run at me into melee range and just MM and they flop and you ain't missing those MMs either at melee range. The only class I worry about is Barb cause Barb is the only class I've legit seen straight one tap.

Melee class btw, Barb is the only Melee class I've seen one tap people

[quaint ivy]

rogues can 1 tab too

tap*

[rocky oar]

People keep saying that and I've yet to see it

[rough vapor]

Well, are we going to nerf Ranger when they release a forest map? Or accept that certain characters will be better in certain areas.

[cunning lintel]

Are we talkling like full legendary gear Rogue 1 tapping a naked wizard?

[slate tartan]

How are we supposed to know lol @rough vapor

[quaint ivy]

a headstab with a good dagger (blue+) + the ability that doubles ur damage + armor pen + the out of shadows buff, you can 1 tap every class except barb

[rocky oar]

That's what I am thinking too lol

I've seen a lot of gear rouges but, none of them have ever one tapped me let alone 2 tapped

[slate tartan]

I swear I've seen orlanthi one tap people on his fighter

[rough vapor]

You can one tap on fighter with the right gear and buffs

[cunning lintel]

Btw, i think legendary gear Rogue is nothing to be worried about comparing to any longbow...

[rough vapor]

My fighter was doing it in blues with wizard buffs and a falchion

[carmine path]

leg longbow is broken

[signal vine]

My suggestions are on cool down cool if i drop it in here

[rancid void]

I got a legendary doublet that had +4 Additional Physical Damage +4 Weapon Damage and +4 True Physical Damage.

Combined with my purple gear, and an ambush backstab to the head, I could deal 108 damage with a base 17 damage throwing knife. It did require very specific circumstances though.

[rancid void]

The armor pen is on follow up attacks not the first attack as the first attack applies a debuff

[upbeat pewter]

The attack still gains 50% additional damage though.

[quaint ivy]

@rancid void yeah i know, but that armor pen is nice IF additional shots are needed.

[mossy ruin]

although it was bugged increasing enemy defense if i heard correctly

[reef cosmos]

If you manage to let a rogue get near you, you already dead.
The game is not letting them get close

[boreal sun]

easier said than done when they have high movespeed and ambush potential

unless you're a ranger and can see footprints of invisible players lmao

[rancid void]

I hear you, rangers over tuned

[buoyant basin]

@reef cosmos every time I tap your profile my discord crashes, has anyone ever told you that or am I crazy?

[reef cosmos]

wtf, no no one ever told me that

Are you on mobile?

[cerulean iron]

Honestly I'd prefer playing a super geared mage over super geared ranger. Zap one shots were op last play test.

[lusty wren]

See if that is the case after the wiz changes 😄

[jaunty gulch]

i dont think wizard is getting a big nerf so

[slate tartan]

They won't balance properly until ea/release

[stuck heath]

In the Q and A the dev explained the Sorcerer class thats planned is supposed to use hard hitting powerful spells albeit limited in amount. The mage was supposed to be more a wise learner of multiple versatile spells but not as strong. So I see a big nerf to damage possibly happening but for sure a nerf. Maybe not big.

[lusty wren]

Sounded like its def getting a nerf from the QA we shall see though

[jaunty gulch]

ik i was saying in this playtest coming up

[lusty wren]

Yes the QA said there will be changes THIS playtest 😄

[slate tartan]

Did you watch it? He said there might be "1-2" skill changes for classes that he couldn't remember, there is no major nerfing, buffing or balancing this playtest

[lusty wren]

I did watch it, and he said they have plans to adjust the wizard in the next five days until the next playtest

"We’re going to try other ways to balance the magic power curves, we still have like, 4 to 5 days so we’re still going to do some internal testing."

" We still want to encourage people making weird builds, we’re trying to find a good medium between that and balance. What we’re doing with Wizard is, the starting stats, our Wizard right now is more like what we imagine the Sorcerer would be and the knowledge stat wasn’t implemented until the last playtest. We’re going to try and balance the spells directly themselves and then actually change around the starting stats of the Wizard."

[soft relic]

The 1-2 skills was referring to the addition of new perks and skills, not balance changes.

[nova sedge]

PLEASE add base steps to stealth 🥲

[runic musk]

People keep suggesting gambling, i honestly think thats such a bad idea.
A videogame shouldnt be encoureaging gambling.
Opening csgo lootboxes has made my friend an addict kek

[cold dagger]

agreed, i used to do that on CSGO too, tried to get a knife lol

[runic musk]

Also see how runescape players just threq away years of progress on duel arena

[nova sedge]

I spent $300 to get a knife in csgo (on boxes) and didn’t get one

[cold dagger]

huh

[runic musk]

Because dopamime nice

[nova sedge]

Got one from a rando box tho… blue tip gem BS butterfly

[runic musk]

A tavern game would be fun but not a gambling one

[lusty wren]

Some poker in the tavern would be great

[nova sedge]

Ended up trading it for a FN black night karambit that I lost in csgo gambling website that I had a 78% chance to win

Never bought a key again

Lost over $700 in skins

tiny violin playing

[cold dagger]

oh my god i see what your talking abt

[somber wind]

"Error occurred try again" OUCH welp I'll try again in 6 hours lol

[pure summit]

So you're mad a a game. Because you gambled and lost. So you spent real money to try to get the thing in gambling. Then you're upset you didn't get the thing and now you expect us to feel bad for you? How about don't support shitty gambling methods. Then you won't have that problem instead.

[nova sedge]

When did I say I was mad or sad?

[pure summit]

Literally in the comment i was replying to. "tiny violin"

[nova sedge]

I was saying that ironically as in “no one actually cares about my comments”

🙂

[cunning lintel]

Why do you even talk about CS:GO skins in a suggestion discussion channel?

[nova sedge]

*^^^^^^

[pure summit]

All i'm saying is you spent $700 in a game. That's your own dumb fault. Don't expect sympathy

[nova sedge]

Was adding on to this guys message. I’m reinforcing the fact that you shouldn’t introduce gambling methods
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[nova sedge]

Where did I imply that I expect sympathy. I’m not a softy and knew the risk I was taking any time I spend money. Simmer down G… you’re taking this all out of context

[runic musk]

We talked about in game gambling

Valve games, runescape and gacha mmos, have made many i know dedicated gamblers

So wouldnt want to see in my favorite games

[rancid void]

.shortinfo 1580532

[eager sable]

Suggestion from iWood757#0298

Remove VOIP from solo dungeons to prevent teaming and lobby wiping, this will be a meta.

I have spoken 🤣

Opinion:

-5

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[rancid void]

Dude thinks VoIP is required for teaming

[cunning lintel]

He thinks teaming is required to wipe lobbies.

[vagrant stone]

ur "friends" are gonna stab you in the back and take all ur loot when you're opening the portal

[reef cosmos]

the lack of sense of progression is a real danger to any extraction mode game

I think the idea of no capping the lvl anymore is partial solution

Think about it before downvoting the guys idea

[rancid pebble]

: )

[cunning lintel]

What do you want to progress when the game isn't even out yet? Suggest content when the game needs it instead of wasting their time for basics.

[rancid pebble]

its only 'wasting' their time if a large majority want it

then it wouldnt be much of a waste of their time to see it, and even less so if they don't chose to consider it :L

[cunning lintel]

As far as i know, majority has a lot of fun playing the game as it is already...

[rancid pebble]

very much so, they wouldnt be making suggestions if they didnt love it

[still marsh]

pretty sure they picked lvl 20 since that's max level for Dungeon and Dragons characters. I understand wanting more incentive to want your level to increase, keeping it at 20 keeps with the idea behind the game

[wicked tree]

Honestly we already know that there gonna be slowing the leveling down on early access

and with the skill tree being added people are gonna have massively different playstyles

[rancid pebble]

they said they may get rid of skill trees or wait more time for them

also the annoying part for me was how it was simultaneously slow and fast to get levels

like you could only get 1 level with 8 enemies killed per extract

but then you would already be leveled after trying for a few games, and after level 15 there is no benefit

just felt a little weird yknow

[still marsh]

yeah, not saying the leveling experience was perfect but definitely understand the flavor of capping at 20

for playtests they probably are tweaking the leveling curve anyway, trying to figure out what a good progression will be for the alpha

accelerating leveling for playtests lets them getmore data on how well classes perform with more perks

[rancid pebble]

I just like things that show how much time you have put into it, that way someone is like 'oh shit this guy one tricked someone for 300 hours'

[still marsh]

yeah, maybe a leaderboard for "most exp gained" where the exp continues to accumulate even though you are level capped

[nova sedge]

For the “level up past 20” feature in discussion… maybe they’re like diablos “paragon levels” but reskinned for DnD

[cunning lintel]

I don't put hope into such statistic like hours played or level, after experiences in different games you don't want a 3000 hour player not knowing how the game works or underporforming heavily in your party...

In playtests, reaching level 20 suggests that someone is familiar with the class they're playing, but you can't expect someone to be really good at it.

[nova sedge]

I don’t see a reason why having it go over 20 would effect anything. It would just be a token of how much you have played (in turn the mastery) of said class. It would be cool to have titles for how much you’ve played a class? Like maybe there’s like “veteran” “adventurer” etc to show off to other people the amount you’ve played but not necessarily put a level to them

[gloomy cradle]

.shortinfo 1580638

[eager sable]

Suggestion from TheDrunkenMagi#8624

Add a cat to the tavern that we can pet. Then collect and reveal data on how much the cat and dog are both petted. This is important data.

Opinion:

+4

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[nova sedge]

How do I find my shortinfo number

[gloomy cradle]

bottom left of the suggestion

[nova sedge]

.shortinfo 1578705

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Yorkazord#3935

[Add 10 steps to rogue Invis, perk increasing it to 20. If you use invis you basically have to take the perk or it’s basically useless for combat.]

Opinion:

+39

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[nova sedge]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Yorkazord#3935

Add Uncanny Dodge feat (from dungeons and dragons) where you take half or no damage from traps as rogue

Opinion:

+14

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[hollow oasis]

i mean, if your going to remove voip to stop teaming you might as well take out the lean options? people will just do the tarkov scav wiggle, where theirs a will theirs a way. just have a report feature to punish teamers

[hollow sentinel]

it's part of the game mate

[ocean quartz]

.shortinfo 1580720

[eager sable]

Suggestion from worwolf#8855

[make the high roller lobbies cost 25g so it's not as big a deal to join for the less rich players. Losing 75g a run isn't a big deal if you know how to farm and play a lot but for the less farmed players if you factor in the gear cost and med cost it's basically one or two high roller deaths before you have to go back to regulars.

Opinion:

-3

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[onyx shard]

im confused, why should they punish teamers?

[ocean quartz]

@cerulean iron that's called low roller mate. Honestly it should be high as hell so people can't horde

[hollow oasis]

guy was saying take voip out of solo que, obviously in solo que teaming would be a bit against the spirit or cheesy

[ocean quartz]

Teaming through VoIP in solo will be amazing, i would love to hear two or three people talking and going along only to get ambushed by a better player because they are too noisy

[rose ore]

havent even played with voip yet already calling for it be removed

[hollow oasis]

yeah very silly xD

[ocean quartz]

For realz though, I'm surprised duel wielding a torch off hand isn't a thing with how much this game is based around light and dark. Wonder if it's intentional you can have a torch and a weapon, but I feel like you wouldn't lose any core game play values by allowing off handed torches

[hollow oasis]

no reason not to have an offhand torch imo

would be cool to add a darkness spell also

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, or change existing spells and abilities to turn on and off wall torches more. Like the rogue smoke bomb putting out torches

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from JesusTickles#1119

have more interactions with torches on the walls. For example: the darkness circle that closes in puts them out when it touches them. Or clerics get a spell that can be cast to turn on lights in an aoe, or the wizard light spell turns on torches near it, or rogue smoke bomb turns out torches in an aoe. Because right now some of those abilities and spells are useless, but can be interesting with more torch interactions.

Opinion:

+81

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[ocean quartz]

80-0 in terms of likes 🤔

[hollow oasis]

if they add a druid class would be neat to have a wind related spell, blow out all torches in a hallway for example, and stop projectiles from traveling towards you for 3 seconds or something, slow movement, that kind of thing

[quaint sentinel]

spellcasting focus for the barb .... its a skillet it only has 1 spell unlimited uses no CD, melee range spell called ||"cast iron" ||

[carmine path]

i cant help but imagine the barb taking out a steak pan to assualt people with

[quaint sentinel]

power bonk

[hollow oasis]

Magic use somewhat contradicts the idea of a barbarian imo.

Not saying he can't have some more active abilities.... But no magic or spellcasting imo

I think it would be cool if there were "wounds" or Injuries. For example, if someone slashes the back of your leg. Lower the damage then it is now, but give them a "hamstrung" effect, till they fix it. Or a large arrow in the thigh, longbow and crossbow only. Slower move speed.

Unless your a barbarian and you use a rage shout or something.

I dunno all that might be a little much for balancing, but I think it would be neat to include some hitbox based effects and debuffs, similar to tarkov

Like if you smash a rogue in the clavicle with a giant Warhammer on your barb, maybe your drunk, maybe your just bad, you miss the headshot. Then he kills you with double Chad daggers and isn't even effected? Man maybe it's "too realistic" but would be good if your arm gets crushed, you need a cleric or item to heal it. Make it difficult to do, don't wanna get crippled multiple times a run lol... Maybe a skill to be able to break limbs as a barb, or pin legs as a ranger, hamstring as fighter or rogue

[nova sedge]

Make high roller even more expensive! 100g/run!

[reef cosmos]

Suggestion
When you hover over an item, your equipped item appears by the side for comparison

[nova sedge]

Make this

[old shadow]

how do i properly put up a suggestion? i dont quite understand how to use the command in the make suggestion channel

[upbeat pewter]

Type .suggest then make your suggestion

[reef cosmos]

I can't
It's one per day

Anyone wants to make this suggestion?

[old shadow]

i just did it, but how do i know if it even worked? the message is just sitting there, not showing up in the suggestions channel

[upbeat pewter]

Seems like the channel is bugged.

[open ermine]

yeah looks like it's backed up, maybe the bot is down

[upbeat pewter]

You've done it correctly though

[karmic zenith]

Can someone suggest something like test? I'll delete it later, but I just want to make sure the suggestion bot is operating properly.

[upbeat pewter]

done

[karmic zenith]

thank you for confirming my suspicions The bot appears to be malfunctioning at the moment; I'll bring this up, and hopefully a fix will be issued as soon as possible.

[upbeat pewter]

np. its the best time for it to malfunction anyways, luckily. hopefully its up before the test actually starts.

suggestions have to be in the make suggestion channel, its just not working atm

i kinda agree though, but solo doesnt really need much help. it seems like an issue that will sort itself out, in time.
im not really opposed to solo maps though, as long as they arnt as good as the 3v3 maps.

[karmic zenith]

Please wait till the bot is fixed before making any suggestions to make the discussion chat as clear as possible.

I'm going to go ahead and delete your message, but feel free to save it so you may publish it when the bot is fixed.

[runic musk]

Not even released yet

[cunning rapids]

im pretty sure they confirmed it and the troll is the solo queue boss

[upbeat pewter]

they did, yeah.

[old shadow]

Could mine get deleted as well?

[graceful frost]

Nah the solo queue boss is also real they said it on the dev stream, a new dungeon for solo with a troll boss that they tried to make a bit better for close combat

[runic musk]

I mean dont call for it to be removed even before its tested. Thats dumb

[cunning rapids]

it doesn't need to be tested for it to be a bad idea, like i said everyone is going to play rogue, ranger and wizard everyone will be inviable and silent. instead of dying to a team of 3 that you could of easily avoided you will die to someone you couldn't see or hear lmao.

[runic musk]

Cope

[upbeat pewter]

with all the people crying for it, id say it does need to be tested. when all those people do 1v3 anyways, the matter will be over. or it will be popular.

[runic musk]

Fighters barbs and cletics csn hold their own

[upbeat pewter]

clerics suck in 1v1, they kind of just fall over.

but yeah, they'll be fine

[runic musk]

I wouldnt want a permanent solo queue, something like tarkov scavs would be nice

[upbeat pewter]

the replacement for tarkov scavs is having a basic set of gear when you die

[runic musk]

I can see it easily being abused and main goal of game should be play against or with parties

[runic musk]

Yeah got that, but was thinking mainly about the timwr lmao

[upbeat pewter]

i kinda wish tarkov scavs didnt have a timer, tbh

[runic musk]

Tbf they should've released scav expansion earlier

Dont think they have yet.
Stoked to be testing solo dungeon i work night so playing with friends is good for like 1 hour after i eat breakfast

And im too autistic to get into discord groups

Kek

[upbeat pewter]

i definitely think it'll be kind of meh for the mostpart.

class balance will be all over the place, and the loot cant be good

[runic musk]

Depends on how the dungeon is designed

If it funnels players into 1v1v1 and 1v1 bossv1v1v1

Ish something like that

[upbeat pewter]

the problem is that character kits will be designed for 3v3.

things like stuns and stuff work in 3v3, but they dont work in 1v1, because you just stunlock

[runic musk]

Idk, it kinda works since its clunky

[upbeat pewter]

even slows would be extremely overpowered.

[runic musk]

They still kinda are eveb in 3v3

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, effecting one of the three players.

[runic musk]

Its a spell problem in that case imo

[cunning rapids]

the problem is everyone is solo queue will be playing rogue, ranger and wizard there gonna be hiding in the dark and inviable you will die and you wont know what hit you

[upbeat pewter]

its not really. if you design spells for 3v3 and 1v1, it limits the design space a LOT

[runic musk]

That happens normally

[upbeat pewter]

things that are good for 3v3 wont be good for 1v1.

[cunning rapids]

cleric/fighter and bard are gonna get trashed on 1v1

[runic musk]

Well see

[runic musk]

Not rly

Pretty sure barbs are gonna just trample

[cunning rapids]

untill they get out ranged or snuck up on

[upbeat pewter]

barbs have the worst abilities in the game.

they get shit on in 3v3.

[runic musk]

Since they struggle alot when fighting groups

With the one hit attack there is no cooldown for 2 people

[cunning rapids]

rogue invis vs barb rogue or wizard invis or ranger in the dark, barb loses

[upbeat pewter]

fighter vs barb, both have similar dps, fighter heals, barb either makes himself take more damage to gain a little.

[runic musk]

Barbarian hits way harder ime

[cunning rapids]

ever solo queue game ive played it slows the game down a lot and dark and darker is already a slow game

[runic musk]

Maybe that are geared ones though

[upbeat pewter]

their damage is based on the weapon. both have access to similar weapons.

the barb abilities that make them do more damage make them take more damage.

[runic musk]

They have talents for axes

[slate tartan]

Most 3 man's have a wizard/rogue so I really don't see what your argument is here, solo's or trios you run into invis players

[upbeat pewter]

axes arnt better than the best weapons fighter has access to, though

[runic musk]

Thwy hit a bit harder than fighters

[cunning rapids]

yeah but there loud

[upbeat pewter]

longswords attack faster and do about the same, if not more damage

[cunning rapids]

you can hear a group of 3 across the map tho

[upbeat pewter]

as in, the same damage per second, not per hit

[slate tartan]

Not 3 rogues

[cunning rapids]

yes you can and people dont play 3 rogues really

[runic musk]

Its based on boots

[slate tartan]

Lol I've seen plenty of 3 man invis squads, you can hear a solo too believe it or not

[cunning rapids]

okay you are just lying lmao never once have i seen a group of invis 3 and i was 100% solo the whole last testing

[slate tartan]

There's literally videos on YouTube 😂

[upbeat pewter]

isnt that the point? you didnt see them because they were invisible.

[cunning rapids]

if i didnt see them they didnt kill me lmao

[cunning rapids]

yeah that inst the meta tho

[runic musk]

Meta kekw

[upbeat pewter]

imagine thinking theres a meta lol

there will be, but not yet

[slate tartan]

Not everyone looks up meta videos and follows them for every game they play

[cunning rapids]

its a lot better for a group of 3 to rush and fight then it is for them to hide in a room all invisible

[slate tartan]

Not if they're rogues

[upbeat pewter]

are you.. assuming that people know whats the best and worst thing to do?

[runic musk]

Having 3 people invis on a portal is hillarious

[slate tartan]

Theres proof right there

[cunning rapids]

yes it is but most groups of 3 are fighting people and are loud af

even a group of 3 rogues is still loud

[slate tartan]

Not if they're invis hiding

[upbeat pewter]

they are about to be louder

when rogues attack, people will squeal

[cunning rapids]

why would they hide if no one is around hey have to move eventually

[slate tartan]

A guy above literally said they camped portals as a three man, people do whatever they like

[cunning rapids]

there are far more people in groups of 3 fighting then there is hiding

[slate tartan]

I never said there wasn't...

[upbeat pewter]

there are far more people dying to AI than there are fighting

[cunning rapids]

my point is in solo queue every one is going to play rogue, ranger and wizard and everyone will be impossible to see and hear

[slate tartan]

They won't, but okay

[upbeat pewter]

instead of complaining about it, just wait and let people find out what happens themselves.

it doesnt matter what will happen. its going to be in the test

[cunning rapids]

instead of complaining?? bro thats the point of this group lmao discussion lmao well ill see you in solo queue then. oh wait no you wont ima be perma invisible and im still gonna one shot you bc gear is balanced around 3v3.

[upbeat pewter]

im not ever playing 1v1, i play exclusively 2s...

this chat isnt to complain though, theres an amount of logic that you need to bring to the table.

[vital fox]

Trevor... no one is making you play 1v1

or solo que rather

[cunning rapids]

all i said was logic tho solo queue isnt good for the game and i gave my reasonings

[vital fox]

yes i agree with all the points u made

i only play solo and i dont think a solo que is good for the game

[boreal sun]

there's no saying what will or won't be good for the game, it's not finished yet
the core design is not done
the classes are not done
the stats aren't even fully implemented yet
you cannot make statements about these things because you do not know how it will impact things in the future

becoming a solo or anti-solo purist at this stage of the game's development is pointless

stop it]

[vital fox]

solo iz bad

u cant change my mind

[cunning rapids]

again its discussion lmao

[boreal sun]

making your mind up about something before it's even implemented or finished is pointless

you can discuss, but you'll only be discussing theory

nothing practical or useful

[clear fox]

"solo is bad" before ever playing it lol. This community is toxic af for literally no reason lol

[vital fox]

we cannot discus if we think solo que fits in the game?

[west cloak]

Was going to say-- I don't think solo is a great idea. But I have trust in the devs to make decisions and design their game- I'll play a bit of solo que to try it out and properly decide if it's good or not during the playtest.

[boreal sun]

you can't do so in a way that's useful, if it's not in the game, and the game itself is not even close to having its intended state realized

[clear fox]

it's a play test. keyword TEST. Lets play it out and see what happens, nothing is written in stone.

[boreal sun]

you can't know how solo queue will affect the game if the game is not done and solo queue is not in yet

[west cloak]

It's not healthy to just call a change bad before we've seen how it's implemented fully

[boreal sun]

you can only imagine

[vital fox]

Trevor keep your opinions to yourself. there shall be no discussion here.

and thats final!!!!!!

[cunning rapids]

yes they said they didnt want solo queue but people were discussing it and the deves put it in

[boreal sun]

don't strawman terry

lol

[cunning rapids]

notice how the whole game was made around 3v3

lmao

perfect reason why solo is bad

[boreal sun]

I said that you should wait and see, instead of coming to conclusions before a thing even exists

[west cloak]

Guess we'll just have to wait and see

[boreal sun]

because coming to conclusions ahead of time will taint your perception and make you fall to confirmation bias, instead of evaluating things fairly

if you jump into the game already saying "I think solo queue is bad and nothing will convince me", then you're basically making yourself unable to have any honest discussion on the topic forever

[clear fox]

adding solo dungeon and voip at the same time is genius. The shenanigans will be great.

[vital fox]

yea, hopefully some cool interactions will come out of voip and not just constant toxicity

[boreal sun]

so long as there's a way to opt out, it should be fine

[cunning rapids]

yeah the voip and solo queue can also be dangerous we dont want hard teaming

[clear fox]

everyone was terrified of voip in tarkov due to potential toxicity but voip actually changed the game in a massively positive way

[boreal sun]

it'll make cooperation between parties against bosses actually possible

[cunning rapids]

again further making my theory on solo queue lmao

[cunning rapids]

yes but wasnt the point of the troll to be a 1v1 boss see?

[boreal sun]

I mean
if it only drops one item

then which solo player gets it?

[cunning rapids]

they want solo queue but we also want people to group up and fight the boss

[boreal sun]

I meant moreso like

ghost king

and lich

[vital fox]

yea no nead to try and 1v1 lich

[boreal sun]

the actual big bosses that we understand

we don't know what troll will be yet

[cunning rapids]

i think they said it the 1v1 boss

[boreal sun]

so talking about it as evidence for/against soloqueue is kinda pointless

[west cloak]

Let em' team more things to shoot at ^

And more things for the troll boss to hit

[cunning rapids]

with voip if we are allowing teaming why add solo queue thst the whole point lol

[boreal sun]

you're searching for evidence for a conclusion you've already decided on

nobody said voip was for teaming

[upbeat pewter]

^

[cunning rapids]

you said

people can team up and kill the boss

you said it

[clear fox]

I don't know if you're aware, but teaming is already in the game

hands up emote, crouch of peace

[boreal sun]

I said it could allow parties to team against the hell bosses

[cunning rapids]

yes and voip will improve that

this is why solo queue is point less

[boreal sun]

okay
it's not a contradiction with the existence of solo queue

[upbeat pewter]

like.. i agree that soloQ is a bad idea, but im not going to be rude about it, and im not so hard set on it not existing. its fine that it exists and that we get to test it.

[clear fox]

yes, and I'm sure the devs are perfectly fine with that as it brings a little thing called FUN to their game

[upbeat pewter]

whats the point of desperately trying to argue something is bad when we're days away from finding out whether it is or not?

[cunning rapids]

i pray its good

but i dont want it even if its good

[boreal sun]

you seem hell-bent on it being bad

[west cloak]

Who cares if people team in solo que though? You can never fully trust anyone you randomly pair up with

[vital fox]

lol

[clear fox]

all I can say is lol

have a good night everyone!

[upbeat pewter]

seems like people want a hyper fair competitive game lol

[west cloak]

Just become the barb that say "team" then splits the idiot in half for letting them get close

[boreal sun]

like if your mindset going into it is "I don't want it" then you'll look for reasons to think it's bad, so you can argue for its removal

[upbeat pewter]

when this clearly isnt that

[cunning rapids]

idc if solo queue is good or bad it shouldn't be in the game

[boreal sun]

it'll taint your perception

if you take a hardline stance
ignoring whether it's good or bad
then nobody should listen to you

[upbeat pewter]

who are you to say what should or should not be in the game

its the dev's game, not yours.

[west cloak]

Believe that the development team is making the proper decisions until they prove they can't

[cunning rapids]

? well the added a discusstion tab so they care what there community thinks

[runic musk]

Tbf voip is a worse addition than solo queue, its like how taunts ruines tf2

[upbeat pewter]

you arnt the community.

in fact... you are the minority here

[runic musk]

Gonna be fun getting into a lobby thats just shitposting

[upbeat pewter]

most people are fine with it

[cunning rapids]

voip is cool but like its gonna add some teaming

[upbeat pewter]

who cares if it adds teaming

[cunning rapids]

and if teaming is gonna happen why is there solo queue if people are going to team in solo queue

lmao

[runic musk]

Getting called the nword is going to be fun aswell

[boreal sun]

trevor

[west cloak]

It's a playtest let them test things and figure it out

[boreal sun]

the addition of voip and the addition of solo queue are not relevant to each other

you're taking a big leap in logic

[west cloak]

^

[cunning rapids]

they are being adde together tho?

[boreal sun]

yes

[cunning rapids]

that make no sense

[runic musk]

Its an alpha

[boreal sun]

and my fan can run at the same time as I wash my dishes

[upbeat pewter]

why do two things added at the same time have to be relevant?

[runic musk]

They are adding stuff in parts

[upbeat pewter]

lol

[boreal sun]

but my fan is not relevant to my dishes

lol

[cunning rapids]

voip adds teaming yes or no

[west cloak]

You could have groups of 6 walking around 3s

[boreal sun]

they just happen to be happening at the same time

no

teaming existed before voip

voip does not add teaming

[cunning rapids]

will voip increase teaming?

[vital fox]

but voip does aid teaming

[boreal sun]

voip just allows easier communication for those who want to team

[cunning rapids]

yes or no

[boreal sun]

and it also adds confrontational behavior

[upbeat pewter]

how do you know it would increase it?

[boreal sun]

that will remove teaming

[cunning rapids]

voip 100% ads more teaming

[boreal sun]

but there's literally no way to know what degree it will or won't

[upbeat pewter]

and how do you know that?

[boreal sun]

because it's NOT IN YET

[cunning rapids]

so there will be teaming in solo queue

[boreal sun]

ok and

[upbeat pewter]

whos to say that it adds any. why will anyone trust anyone else?

[boreal sun]

there's teaming in party queue

[cunning rapids]

so why is there solo queue if we allowing teaming

[boreal sun]

it doesn't matter

[runic musk]

Christ

[west cloak]

Oh there will be teaming-- and I'll make sure to make everyone distrust each other by "team" killing

[runic musk]

For people who dont want to run into 3 archers

[cunning rapids]

fair

[boreal sun]

there is solo queue for players who want to queue solo

[runic musk]

And prefer 1v1

[boreal sun]

it has nothing to do with voip

or teaming

it has to do with not teaming

[cunning rapids]

so i play solo queue ok and 2 pople team up

im now 1 v2 lol

in solo queue

[upbeat pewter]

i suggest you guys stop talking to this guy, its going nowhere lol

either a troll, or someone who just wants to complain, and not talk

[boreal sun]

I'm just impressed at this logic

[cunning rapids]

im talking tho?