suggestion-discussion

[verbal marsh]

plate gloves, naked body, beer, and judgement.

[gloomy cradle]

use .shortinfo [suggestion ID] that hyperlink hurts my eyes

Monks are European though. Ever heard of Christian monasteries?

[neat dragon]

not really the kind of monk most people think of when they talk about fantasy game classes

[tender magnet]

Also when was this said to be strictly european?

[open ermine]

lol they're going for the usual D&D monk if they can find a way to make kicking not look jank from what i took away from what sdf said

[gloomy cradle]

True, Christian monks are almost all pacifists. Also in medieval Europe a wizard would be hunted and burned alive.

[tender magnet]

Literally different classes

[open ermine]

otherwise i assume they'll adapt the pugilist fighter variant

[tender magnet]

Why are we talking about europe

[neat dragon]

guys look, sneak peak of the next class https://media.tenor.com/lw73j16fHwQAAAAM/wololo-age-of-empires.gif

[gloomy cradle]

scroll up

[verbal marsh]

I just want to be an oath breaker paladin, so I can murder you.

[open ermine]

I am now blue

[tender magnet]

I've replied to the first thing talking about europe

I'm more asking, since when is this game based on europe

[gloomy cradle]

oh you meant in general

[verbal marsh]

if there is a set bonus I hope it gives my character larger pants.

[gloomy cradle]

Well I'd hate to use buzzwords, so I'm just not going to say anything else about it

[gloomy cradle]

Set bonuses are too Diablo imo

[verbal marsh]

2 pieces of set = pants are somewhat bulging, 3 pieces of set = its noticeable, 5 pieces of set = my god my man, how are you today?

[tender magnet]

this game isn't realistic, we're not remaking what monk means in the fantasy genre

[verbal marsh]

I thought a monk was a cleric.

[tender magnet]

?

[neat dragon]

think more like a xiaolin monk

[verbal marsh]

Varys is a monk. he has a pouch to prove it.

[tender magnet]

When dark and darker talks about monk, we mean monk in a dungeons and dragon sense

a monk is a class

[verbal marsh]

I think monks should look like Varys.

[tender magnet]

Okay

[verbal marsh]

Do you know who Varys is?

[tender magnet]

Nope, never watched GoT

[runic musk]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[gloomy cradle]

.shortinfo 1565503

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Zandorum#6027

Wishing Well
The wishing well would be something you can throw items into that exists in the menu (like where the Trading Post and Merchants are), there is 2 leaderboards for worth thrown into the well being a permanent one that shows who has thrown the most into the well and a weekly resetting one. Each Week on Sunday, everyone in the Top 500 are granted 1 wish with the options being;
-Increase the roll on an affix to Max.
-Increase the rarity on 1 item by 1 stage (existing modifiers are kept but it will gain the correct amount of modifiers for the next stage).
-Get 1 Unique Item of your choice.
-Get a large sum of Adventure Points.
The overall goal of this is a generic item sink that people will actually want to use.

Opinion:

-13

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Suggestion ID: 1565503 | Submitted at · Jan 27, 2023, 12:31 AM

[runic musk]

Ok can't figure out how to embed messages, but a wishing well would be kinda sick the way this user talks about it being implemented seems kinda shit imo.
Would rather see it as a in dungeon addition where you can bring in gold and throw it into it for either a buff or debuff. [specific quest / test your luck for loot, rouglike style]

[neat dragon]

if something like that were to be added, I would rather it work more like a "lottery" so everyone has a chance to win, rather than the top 500 or whatever

an in-dungeon option is fun too

[runic musk]

yeah, would be cool if its rng based if the water is filled you can toss gold into it to test your luck

when it does something the well drains and something happens

[neat dragon]

it would probably replace one of the shrine spawns that are already in the dungeon

[runic musk]

add gold into item slot which can be thrown

[gloomy cradle]

I'd say it's an underwhelming feature the developers shouldn't waste time on, but they did add in support for inverted xy axis

[runic musk]

options are never underwhelming

[neat dragon]

it could spit out different things depending on what you throw in, like a surg kit or campfire for a health potion

[runic musk]

the more options game have the better

[runic musk]

That could work, putting more roguelike elements like that would be nice for the game since its a dungeon crawler

would add onto the game knowledge part of the game which i know devs have talked about being something they would like players to use to their advantage

[gloomy cradle]

So you want Snuggly the crow from Dark Souls

[runic musk]

who

[verbal marsh]

Not a fan of rng reward concepts further then ai drop chance.

Some games are terrible about it too, rng chance to find mob, rng chance to get the lewt, rng chance to craft the item, rng chance to upgrade. oh god, no. rng chance to throw failed attempt into the well...

[neat dragon]

I dont think it'd be that deep, chuck in a thing, it spits out a thing, well consumed

[runic musk]

i doubt it'd be a main way to get items, would be nice too see more things that you can do inside of the dungeon[does not need to be a item source, can be buffs aswell]

[neat dragon]

fun little gamble in the middle of a raid, more interesting than a 30 sec speed buff imo

[runic musk]

exactly

flavour mechanics basically

[verbal marsh]

I would be okay with it being a way to gain favor with one of the merchant, but remove all the rng fro mit.

[runic musk]

since they seem to be adding tarkov quests, getting more stuff to mess about with is easily gonna make some nice starter quests, the alchemist asks you to collect the water for example

[runic musk]

Tbf looting in this game feels worse then getting a random buff / item when it comes to rng

looting can*

when it comes from something you did go out of your way to do

[verbal marsh]

I'm not a gear head, I prefer to where it has its benefits but having a perfect set of perfectly stat gear kinda unrealistic.

[runic musk]

i was more thinking about finding 6 nightcaps and metal boots before you find a dagger that is gray

finding something worth while is rng

[verbal marsh]

dont have much issue getting good gear when you're not picky about it.

easily trade unusable blues for ones that are for my class.

Say I trade for a "bad" set of resource gear with interaction speed.

well i stick it in bank, and i use that "bad" piece with a full set of it, and its actually damn good.

[mossy ruin]

Just silly wording, dun hurt yourself

[verbal marsh]

I mean im not going for bis, or additional true phy.

dont need that crap to kill someone who's wearing it, mainly that you're using your strengths to your adv.

I do somewant wish that bis bonus's were more honed toward more specific benefits.

[somber wind]

I'd be fine with that, I do think it should be weighted more towards people who donated more to the well though but could be anyone who donated to the well that week

My reasoning for it was to get people to dump items out of the game extremely fast

to keep the worth of items from falling apart

[neat dragon]

gold sinks are always a good idea

[cedar mirage]

A good gold sink would be combining a stack of three health potions to get a green one but at a huge cost

And so on at least at people can get a small benefit using gold

[pseudo wing]

i like that idea

[somber wind]

Gold sink isn't really what would be needed too much, like it's still needed but Item skins would be the real important part.

[gloomy cradle]

gold sinks are more of post release suggestion imo

[cosmic thistle]

Is there a reason Zauns Timebomb's suggestion is visible in #1048762118255673428 ? Is it because a Dev pinned it?

[gloomy cradle]

Probably glitched

[cosmic thistle]

Thats so weird because they posted it 3 weeks ago and it only just now glitched.

[gloomy cradle]

Maybe the bot had a stroke and we're watching it slowly die

[dense sage]

why didnt anyone like my duck and ducker skin idea?

[sturdy spear]

too off topic for this game

[cosmic thistle]

Almost all suggestions that demands in-game skins have been downvoted. For good reason too.....Its just not that kind of game pal.

[upbeat pewter]

honestly, i dont want ANY skin to be suggested. im not against skins, but id love to see what the developers put through, not the players.

[cosmic thistle]

Unfortunately this server suggestion tab just aint the place for that...for some reason.... -_-

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, just sucks that 95% of all suggestions seem to be troll suggestions or children

or people that havent watched any QnAs, havent read dev blogs, or... havent even played the game

[slate tartan]

The devs know that dude, I seriously doubt that any of them actually read it all atm and even if they do they have shown they have a clear vision and make good decisions, I have faith, as should we all

[upbeat pewter]

oh yeah, ofc. i dont think for a second that the devs take half of them seriously.
that still doesnt change the fact that its annoying

[slate tartan]

Yeah I hear that, just need to take satisfaction in the fact that their terrible suggestions won't ever see the light of day 😂

[gloomy cradle]

.shortinfo 1566377

[eager sable]

Suggestion from TheDrunkenMagi#8624

I would like for magic items to be more like Dungeon and Dragons and less like Diablo.
Getting a rare longsword that deals an extra five damage and raises your will by two is boring compared to getting a Flametongue which is a rare longsword that can light itself on fire to deal +5 fire damage and emits light like a torch. Even if there are better longswords in the epic, legendary, and unique tiers you could kit out your 3 man team of fighters with Flametongues to look and feel like bamfs in the dungeon.
Wonderous Magic Items as well. I'd like to see Decanters of Endless Water you put in your 3 or 4 slot to blast a target with water and knock them back. Driftglobes and Immovable Rods would be great adds too.
Dungeons and Dragons has items like Headband of Intellect and Gauntlets of Ogre Strength so you'll still have items for stat boosting. I just don't want to be looking up TTK spreadsheets and doing algebra to have fun.
Also spellcasters are always going to be considered overpowered so you should add consumable scrolls that anyone can use.

Opinion:

+1

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Suggestion ID: 1566377 | Submitted at · Jan 27, 2023, 2:08 PM

[gloomy cradle]

Judge me

[nimble juniper]

nah

makes the game feel like every other fantasy, tho legendary weapons with cool names is a good idea, and wizard already has a flame sword ability kinda. and i think legendary weapons shold be way better

so i like the idea but not the flaming sword

too fantasylike

[gloomy cradle]

It's a fantasy game...

[nimble juniper]

just a bit too much

[gloomy cradle]

Legendary weapons probably would be better. I gave that as example (meaning it's not my actual suggestion) of a rare (that means blue) longsword

[nimble juniper]

i mean if the flame sword is really really rare, then maybe

but i would like to see "lore weapons", would be cool

[gloomy cradle]

Already got a game like that. It's called Diablo

[nimble juniper]

dnd doesnt have to be diablo or dungeons and dragons, even if it is based of of it. but i get what you are going for.

[gloomy cradle]

I see your point too. I'd like cool stuff to be more commonplace

so you have more fun shenanigans

[nimble juniper]

i think the opposite, its okay as long as they are not everywhere because it makes them less special

[gloomy cradle]

I was thinking the actual strength of the bonuses should go up with rarity

[nimble juniper]

the legendary items rn arent that special, so yes

maybe like more damage to hellish creatures, undead, lifesteal(not too much), more damage when in a dark(or)light room. etc

[gloomy cradle]

But that's just boring numbers stuff

[cosmic thistle]

@gloomy cradle How do i upvote more than once?

[gloomy cradle]

An example of a Legendary weapon from Dungeons and Dragons would be a Hammer of Thunderbolts. A legendary maul which you can throw at a target and releases a thunderclap that stuns everything in a area around the target when it hits.

Everything else about is numbers stuff, like increased strength and damge, chance to insta-kill giants. Funny enough it doesn't return to you after you throw it, which is something I would normally expect

[spice pawn]

-> vertical (big numbers go POW) is cheap to implement; likely scales easily via whatever's already been added to the game
-> horizontal (outright new power scales / capabilities) adds boatloads of depth; gets complex fast, expensive (way more coding/QC, likely harder to iterate off of); can be harder to properly control max/min edge cases

[fiery ledge]

thank god for hierarchal states

[upbeat pewter]

the flaming sword was already a dungeons and dragons weapon, likely the most iconic one, and dungeons and dragons was what this was based off of.

i would LOVE that weapon in game, tbh. as a 2h fighter weapons, or a 1h wizard sword

[gloomy cradle]

If it's only legendary or unique I feel the intimidation factor would be too strong though. If they were more common I'd be less likely to run away if I saw someone with one.

[cosmic thistle]

...

[fiery ledge]

? It references a style of building in coding.

[cosmic thistle]

We already got the animation/mechanics for it (basically) in the form of ignited longswords.

[cosmic thistle]

Oh right. My bad, context lol.

[cosmic thistle]

I was like "spiegel"? maybe the pfp is a closeup on smeagal from LOTR or something. BAM nope its a flaming farting skeleton.

[fiery ledge]

Yea, they were talking about the difficulty of code and I tl;dr'd it because instead of it being a series of computations happening at the source of the damage, you can parse the amount of math being done via hierarchy. Say only do true false for hit detection at the character and deal with the math as a component somewhere else that talks to the appropriate objects for whatever functions because division of labor is easier when done via "states"

divide and funnel

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, the difference is the prestige of such a weapon. its cool, and it can do something different mechanically than ignite does

[fiery ledge]

spiegel just means mirror in german

[cosmic thistle]

Oh so its a batman thing? got it

[fiery ledge]

never watched

seen clips of the 90s batman movie ages ago but no, its a reference to a personality type

[cosmic thistle]

You named yourself mirror because you fear them. Mirrors are the source of your trauma.

Thats what I was referencing.

[fiery ledge]

Believable.

[deft kettle]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

this might be or anything similar to this might be nice to have

[gloomy cradle]

been suggsted a bunch of times but I won't hold that against you

[cosmic thistle]

Great minds think alike.

[carmine path]

The set pieces for armor should be menial stats by themselves and only after being completed will they have that substantial stat boost guys

[cosmic thistle]

Nah, I want 95% damage reduction and 200% damage increase otherwise the gear is too weak.

[carmine path]

ummm No

lol

[upbeat pewter]

set bonuses that add stat bonuses alone are kind of boring

unique effects is the interesting stuff

[deep jacinth]

Idk why you would want set bonuses in a game like this tbh

Every piece should feel special no?

[upbeat pewter]

2set bonuses would be nice, like a dagger pair

ring pair, ect.

5 piece sets, for a full set of armour is meh. its fine if its a mid tier set to get someone going

[deep jacinth]

If you create 6 piece sets for whatever it will streamline gear hunting

[upbeat pewter]

yeah

i dont really like those much, they have to be ok at best. better and its pretty crap.

[deep jacinth]

In like mmorpgs it's fine ish

It'd be interesting if things could create syngery

[upbeat pewter]

diablo 3 is likely the best example of them being bad. they are so build defining, and so strong that they limit each class to 2-3 builds.

[deep jacinth]

Like certain items work more with certain weapons maybe

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, uniques that create new playstyles i think is the most exciting stuff

[deep jacinth]

Like a heavy armor makes you more a tank when combined with a slow hitting axe something like that

Idk

[upbeat pewter]

not just stats, an effect that changes something to be used differently

[deep jacinth]

I wonder if the barb is a one trick pony or not against anyone who is decent at the game

[upbeat pewter]

barbs seem far too slow to be good

[deep jacinth]

Why would a class that goes around without a chest by default have the slowest swinging weapons in the game that feels weird

[upbeat pewter]

also has the heaviest weapons.

[deep jacinth]

Honestly fighter sounds like it'd be the better barb weapon class tbh

Like long weapons which require finesse and are slow but incredible range

[upbeat pewter]

i agree. barb is just a worse fighter imo.
barb has WAY better starting gear, likely the best in the game

but thats all

and that falls off in the first room when you pick something up

[deep jacinth]

Maybe they could do things that bring them more in line some how but I don't see it

Their passives are good

Honestly being barb is my favorite regulardless smash is the most fun skill in the game to me

[upbeat pewter]

they definitely need adjusting

[smoky yoke]

@deep harness good suggestion

[upbeat pewter]

i hope they get the run and smash playstyle to work

[deep jacinth]

I wonder if the game will get to the point where movement speed is going to be capped somehow

That stat is honestly bonkers

[upbeat pewter]

really, the ms on gear just needs to be nerfed.

be nice if the stat per piece was capped at removing the negative the piece gives though

[deep jacinth]

This game feels like it's going to end up like smash bros in a sense where anyone slow is literally going to be a sitting duck

[upbeat pewter]

thats basically most games, lol

[deep jacinth]

It doesn't matter if you have damage and could literally one hit and be a walking tank

If everyone can run in circles around you can give you a million paper cuts

[upbeat pewter]

theres merit to it, if you're in a group though

[deep jacinth]

Like supports in mobas

But then they'd have to be able to do stuff to effect the enemy team while being slow

Just being able to stand there isn't good enough

[upbeat pewter]

basically. my reccomendation is bolas

we definitely need more throwables. oil (+fire), grease, poison, ect

[deep jacinth]

I like that they're good already though

Honestly probably a few more skills

Average kits should probably be four skills

[upbeat pewter]

4 might be too much. im very in favour of 3. 1 class skill (rogue stealth, casters casting, ect), 1 utility, 1 damage

[deep jacinth]

I think it would be better if there were multiple places to chose from

If it were three of the current skills that exist for each class the game wouldn't improve

[upbeat pewter]

they'll add more skills as they go along

[deep jacinth]

I do think this game would benefit a lot of they had a slot that was slower and you really had to be careful with using

Not as game changingly powerful as an ult though

[upbeat pewter]

they already have abilities that dont recharge

some that require campfires

[deep jacinth]

Campfires feel horrible ngl personally

I don't feel like I'm getting anything out of it when I do campfire but then again it's not like I'm a team of three because then the effects are there times as potent

[upbeat pewter]

i feel like they are pretty great in my 2

[deep jacinth]

All the healing items I use feel weak but obviously you don't want something that can really fuck up on person combat

By letting someone heal in battle a ton of someone isn't literally on top of them smacking them

I wasn't very good last time but I only played like 60 hrs or something maybe I'll be better this time

[upbeat pewter]

healing in the game is pretty great. healing items were weak, but hp is extremely strong

its already pretty strong to use a hp pot before fighting. if it were much stronger, you'd get into situations where without a cleric, people feel like a damage sponge.

i used to take 9 bandages most raids, and spam them

[deep jacinth]

I saw videos where people were using walls to bandage in front of people

So I wouldn't want that or healing pots that significantly make the battles change but I struggle with being healthy before battle

[deep harness]

thnx wasn't just my idea but I did believe it was needed

[gloomy cradle]

-> vertical (boring rng numbers on your rng stats on your rng quality weapon that has rng chance to drop snooze fest) is low effort, low hype, saves time, reduces production costs
-> horizontal (actually cool stuff like flaming swords) is high effort, high hype, sells more copies, creates pride in your work, keeps players coming back for more
-> truth is all ways of making magic items is a combination of vertical and horizontal so might as well do whatever is fun

[carmine path]

the set bonuses could have unique effects thats the whole point lmao

also builds are already limited as of the 2nd alpha PT

so whats the difference really

[gloomy cradle]

set bonuses are almost always a trap. You get this bonus for using these bad items together, but the bonus makes them actually viable

[carmine path]

My main point with the set bonuses is to allow classes to have enhanced roles and be even better at doing what they are supposed to do, just with the spice of farming and

rng/luck

[carmine path]

exactly give players something to play for

thats worth playing for

**

[gloomy cradle]

They should make the items less bad. Adding a version of the item with set bonuses in order to balance that item just leaves all other versions of that item bad

[carmine path]

I would love to see some weapon skins like the licht's for unique items i.e weapons, that players are allowed to use

[carmine path]

ideally these items would be completely separate from the other armor types, different in their design, synergy, and play style

im thinking more of a unique class of armor

That only drops from boss loot or extremely low chance from the gold hoard loot

[long dawn]

I like the random buffs on items. Let's you better stack for playstyle or strategy

[carmine path]

usually those buffs do not even help like having magic resist on rogue charms

thats why i suggested the "dice" but it was not well received by our community lol

[long dawn]

Well magic resist is awesome for a fighter so is agility. Most of the times rogue charms go on my fighter

[carmine path]

and you would be smart for doing so

[gloomy cradle]

But you're never really stacking for playstyle or strategy. You're always stacking for TTK. Any stat that doesn't improve is just wasted and makes the item disappointing.

[carmine path]

^ i agree

[long dawn]

All stats improve something if you just lean into that one stat you see a huge difference

[gloomy cradle]

Sure, but some improve things that don't help you kill people faster or keep you alive longer. Especially since we have different classes that need different stats.

[carmine path]

Why though, when you could use all potential slots to enhance the character as a whole instead of focusing on one only

[long dawn]

Then shoot for plus all attributes and all your gear

But a full strength build rogue is dirty and a full magic resist fighter is even better

[gloomy cradle]

The problem isn't your end state. The problem is all the 'garbage' items you threw away along the way.

[carmine path]

^^ due to unusable stats

[gloomy cradle]

No magic item should be disappointing, unless it's cursed. But curses are exciting and eventful, and even if you're mad now you get a story to share later.

[carmine path]

hoefully the cursed items come in soon

[long dawn]

That's when the monetary system comes in sell it or dont pick it up

[gloomy cradle]

Even though I'm a wizard and can't use this flaming sword I found, I know someone will want it and can at least sell it. The same could not be said of the Longsword with +2 knowledge that any class that needs knowledge can't even use

[long dawn]

All classes benefit from will. It gives you magic resistance

A fighter should love to find one

[carmine path]

true

but as a rouge main its useless

[gloomy cradle]

Do you want me to spend 5 minutes looking a useless stat for fighters to put there? Because I could but won't.

[long dawn]

As a rogue I'd go with strength if you get enough you can have over 150HP doing almost 200dmg to the back of the head

[upbeat pewter]

Which is great for 2set and stuff but 5 sets... the problem with that is that getting 5 rare bits for a set thats potentially build defining... not a good idea

[carmine path]

yeah the high end rouge builds nutty

[carmine path]

i just want to be able to grind something

people are okay with the ruby silver armor

[gloomy cradle]

There I replaced 'will' with 'knowledge' it is now a fitting example

[carmine path]

grinding for ^

but as soon as i mention rng its appalling lmao

[upbeat pewter]

Rogue builds are literally just getting +damage on everything

[gloomy cradle]

grinding is boring. It's especially bad in a game where you lose everything when you die.

[upbeat pewter]

And movement speed

[carmine path]

so then why having mining in the game

?

[upbeat pewter]

Grinding is fine when it enhances between game options.

Mining was terrible last test, but quests will be good

[mossy ruin]

ok drunken magi nice edit, anyways, i personally understand your point, listen. If a new class came out that used x stat on y weapon, then ur issue is gone. It would be foolish of them to have in stat generating code a check for relevant stats on item generation because it inhibits future features and we are in playtesting. Why nitpick this at all

[carmine path]

how does it not enhance the game from a player POV

[long dawn]

The ruby silver grind was dumb IMO I wont be messing with it if it's in this go around

[gloomy cradle]

idk ask the devs. more stuff to sell?

[carmine path]

dude the whole point of mining so far is to build tanky af armor

[upbeat pewter]

Enhancing between game, meaning quests, and enhancing shops and stuff. Getting extra options that make you better without your possessions

[carmine path]

but its amazing armor

[fiery ledge]

It wasnt a focus. Why talk about it like it was?

It will be changed. 200%

[mossy ruin]

And having bad stats is both fine and w.e, u will die and lose it, big whoop

[carmine path]

especially for barb and fighter

[upbeat pewter]

Mining was terrible. Just farm gold and buy gear, far quicker, far easier

[fiery ledge]

wts 25 EA

[long dawn]

It was I really liked it but good lord it was boring doing it and tbh I could have just bought a set in the time it took me to mine

[carmine path]

but those of us who are willing to go the extra mile should be allowed to

[mossy ruin]

its definitely in its infancy

[long dawn]

Gold farm and buy the ore you can play the game and wear the gear too

[upbeat pewter]

Im not saying it shouldnt exist. It was just bad. Going the extra mile for the same gear is stupid

[carmine path]

true and thats okay

[fiery ledge]

Only if they force the routes to be near areas of pvp, I dont want it to detract from the purpose of the game - ruining other people's time.

[carmine path]

its not the same though

[gloomy cradle]

oh I see. It basically just makes purple armor

[upbeat pewter]

Crafting will be better though, just needs work.

[fiery ledge]

It makes purple armor with a higher chance at the 4-6 stat cap rolls

low roll being 1-2 med 3-4 high 5-6

[upbeat pewter]

No, its not the same. Mining is rng. Buying, you get exactly what you want, likely for less grind.

[fiery ledge]

and it has a higher stat adder cap

[upbeat pewter]

Mining is straight up worse

[mossy ruin]

yeah, its cool, but for those who enjoyed it should ask for improvement, it is bad, agreed

[fiery ledge]

So like some purple items might have only 3 modifiers

[carmine path]

thats why theres high roller and "unranked" play to filter the sweaty peeps from normies

[long dawn]

They just need to tweak the grind slightly i feel like crafting will be good just needs work

[fiery ledge]

ruby silver had 4 iirc

[gloomy cradle]

.shortinfo 1566377

[eager sable]

Suggestion from TheDrunkenMagi#8624

I would like for magic items to be more like Dungeon and Dragons and less like Diablo.
Getting a rare longsword that deals an extra five damage and raises your will by two is boring compared to getting a Flametongue which is a rare longsword that can light itself on fire to deal +5 fire damage and emits light like a torch. Even if there are better longswords in the epic, legendary, and unique tiers you could kit out your 3 man team of fighters with Flametongues to look and feel like bamfs in the dungeon.
Wonderous Magic Items as well. I'd like to see Decanters of Endless Water you put in your 3 or 4 slot to blast a target with water and knock them back. Driftglobes and Immovable Rods would be great adds too.
Dungeons and Dragons has items like Headband of Intellect and Gauntlets of Ogre Strength so you'll still have items for stat boosting. I just don't want to be looking up TTK spreadsheets and doing algebra to have fun.
Also spellcasters are always going to be considered overpowered so you should add consumable scrolls that anyone can use.

Opinion:

+3

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Suggestion ID: 1566377 | Submitted at · Jan 27, 2023, 2:08 PM

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[tribal shadow]

Thoughts on that Goblin Statue idea? It popped in my head this morning when talking with my brother. I think it could be good but needs refining

[carmine path]

exactly

[mossy ruin]

in that case, thats cool. for now this is easier for them.

[carmine path]

i think goblin anything would be great in this game

[mossy ruin]

goblin deez nutz

[gloomy cradle]

honestly. Mining isn't that bad of grind. If I was completely against grinding I wouldn't play video games. I was imagining grinding for a full set of legendary items with all the stats I want. F that

[fiery ledge]

Eh, if you say so. Those prices were atrocious

People wanted what? 50-60g an ore?

[carmine path]

obviously there would be other armor with better base stats, i wouldnt want that either

[fiery ledge]

and you could get a 70cc item for just about 750 gold ez instead of having to face multi k per piece?

[mossy ruin]

it just wasn't worth the time, i could make way more money than the value of the ore in half time easily

[fiery ledge]

and with the people who were farming gold key room

[carmine path]

ore was pretty hard to find ngl and even worse to make it out with it

[mossy ruin]

and less hassle

[fiery ledge]

ore was always in the same spots

[carmine path]

did not notice that haha

people must have been farming it then

[fiery ledge]

Even still, it wasn't the full implement of the system.

Yes, they were, and when I did my first piece - I stopped.

I thought about buying the rest

[carmine path]

its still alpha so im sure the devs got a ways to go

[fiery ledge]

I bought the next piece and understood the average prices

Even tried to talk people into selling it to me for cheaper because they were wasting their time

so much easier to farm mummies for cc and gems

[carmine path]

we are our own merchants

[fiery ledge]

and then snowball

[long dawn]

I was able to grin a full set and a second plate and helm

[fiery ledge]

Nice, I went and played the game mostly.

[carmine path]

nah gold key was the fastest farm

[fiery ledge]

^

[long dawn]

Yeah I was playing minecraft

[fiery ledge]

didnt discover gold key till the end

[carmine path]

F

skelly champ easier than wraith imo

[long dawn]

I found it a few times but never attempted gold key room this go around. I was in starter gear when I went to HR

[carmine path]

All the starter gear is so bad

tickle people in high roller

[long dawn]

Yeah buts it's all you need in HR if you play rogue

[fiery ledge]

my crutch was armor pen/phys dmg% windlass

[long dawn]

I go into HR in starter to maximize my loot potential and lower my risk

[fiery ledge]

1 shot all base class to chest

If HR isnt your norms, something is wrong

[carmine path]

True

[fiery ledge]

I'm color blind, I only see

must throw my gear in the poison pit

and be shot down by archers i cant reach

[carmine path]

[fiery ledge]

mmm... 70 impact damage + dot

i'm in the poison pit and burnin

[carmine path]

The only way to go

[fiery ledge]

whats this? backstabs me?

[long dawn]

I'll bring gear to HR when they dial down the loot

Until then I only bring gear when I have a full team

[gloomy cradle]

ik ik just throwing my opinion out there. If you don't tell anyone what you want you can't complain later.

[fiery ledge]

I'd bring gear in more if the trading system was more compartmentalized

Its a PT so I dont want to sit in menu looking at trade forever

we should be out there smacking each other

[gloomy cradle]

I heard they bringing an AH, hopefully next PT

[pure summit]

AH is needed addition, but it does lose player interaction

Tavern upgrades could make up 4 that, or you physically need to go to the auction house with a crowd of players around it 🤷🏻

Makes the game seem more lively

[gloomy cradle]

I'd rather have flaming swords, but I won't say no to more content

[tawny lagoon]

I like the idea of bringing gold into the dungeon to potentially get more loot or items, but ir should not replace regular looting. #d-and-d-suggestions message

[upbeat pewter]

Player interaction, lol. Exchanging goods and saying ty isnt valuable interaction.

[rancid pebble]

I feel like it is not as much of a risk compared to reward as the suggester thought, if it is really risky I would like the idea

[opaque shore]

Maybe make trinket sacks that cost 25 a bag

Can only hold trinkets

[opaque shore]

Even more than 25 like 50

[dusk canyon]

flamethrower for mages ? im a rogue main but could be fun see it

[upbeat pewter]

Only if its interrupted on hit, or at least a good chance for it

[frosty creek]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from MrBeanz#0561

add pets

Opinion:

-13

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Suggestion ID: 1566725 | Submitted at · Jan 27, 2023, 6:04 PM

[frosty creek]

what do u think?

[agile condor]

I actually don't even know what this suggestion is suggesting lol

[bitter trail]

dumb

[boreal sun]

otto already exists

[gusty timber]

In regards to the launch being paid this is definitely a fair thing they’ve created something special that could last a long af time becoming possibly the new face of the extraction shooter genre whilst still being challenging it’s a lot more simplistic with its own twist that makes it generalkt a fun adventure anyone can get into

The game being free could lend to a situation like tf2 or apex where regardless of the several problems of both games they’re still pretty good not worth buying but hell they’re free and dark n darker beinf all it is and on top of that being free lead to a massive fuck off esplosion concerninf its player count that went to such an extent the servers shit themselves

ALTHOUGH there’s to take into consideration dark and darker is an inde game they need the money

That and micro transactions within the game (whilst not a bad idea by any means to some extent) would make it annoying

They deserve a trillion gillion dolors

I honestly don’t care what the game is priced it’s not my game lol

I am curious tho how that might effect player counts in the long run

That being said while being a paid game and being shit to both run and play Tarkov has a fuckton of players

Likely cause there isn’t anything like it until now that being dark n darker being both a whole new twist on the genre with a few of its own quirks making it refreshing in that sense but also in the fact it’s actually consistently fun

You could argue that Marauders exists but like it’s a little too much like Tarkov to some extent amongst a myriad of other issues that I don’t know the half of cause personally I haven’t even played the game I’ve just watched people playing it a lot I have played Tarkov tho (fuckinf sucked) it had its moments but Jesus Christ it’s like eatinf a cake with nails like it’s cake but who the fucj put all these nails in it

Honestly idk what the issue with marauders is it’s player counts have only gotten smaller and it seems like a neat game

Something funny tho that I’ve noticed about all the cool funny new extraction shooters is they’re all unfinished

Like none of them are done

Marauders is in early acaess, escape from Tarkov is held together with glue and duct tape, and this game has only come out in play tests

[main grove]

@gusty timber tarkov only really started to get attention in 2020 kicking off the genre and it takes a long time to finish a game

[gusty timber]

Oh def

Especially given most of these games are made by inde companies

[main grove]

yeah the big boys are dipping their toes, but the genre is always going to be niche imo

[gusty timber]

Battle state games has made several games before and they’ve gotten a lot of funny money but work still takes time

[main grove]

so idk if we'll ever get a true AAA game

[gusty timber]

I feel like it’s a sort of branch off of the battle Royal phase

But ya know eith actual creativity thrown into the mix

HSHSJSJ

Actually that’s a lie

Kinda

Eft predates fortnite battle Royal

Although not pubg

Wich had been around for a while

[gusty timber]

For the better

The market is oversaturated with a monopoly of silly dudes all making the same stuff

They have so much control over the market they don’t have to invest any capital on the actual product for it to sell well so we just get alot of the same stuff over and over and over again

[main grove]

they make things that are proven, less risk since they throw in a ton of money.

but they need huge audiences too, don't think extraction games will ever have massive audiences. They're too "hardcore"

[gusty timber]

That’s what I mean tho

Dark and darker is a hell of a lot more simplistic

It’s a lot easier to get into

It took me like two weeks to not die instantly in eft and even still in shit and don’t understand half of what’s going on or who shot me even

Meanwhile dark and darker is only out for three days and I feel like I’m actually playing the game

Like I’m engaging in stuff and learning

Meanwhile Tarkovs learning curve is so steep you need mountain climbing equipment to play

[main grove]

yeah EFT is extremely complex for the sake of it

[gusty timber]

Y e a

I’ve seen people shooting sks and akms the recoil is no where near that absurd

[main grove]

they just had a patch that improved that quite a bit

[gusty timber]

The complexity is nice sometimes by all means but jfc…

[main grove]

like yesterday

[gusty timber]

Oh dam i didn’t check

[main grove]

honestly I wrote off this patch but BSG may have actually gotten their shit together lol

[gusty timber]

Still haven’t touched that game much especially since they accidentally buffed the livin shit out of scavs on accident

I didn’t think I’d get one taped by a toz whearing a level five helmet but dam they managed

[gusty timber]

It’s still absurd to run

The past few years it’s been odd

Just a bunch of ups n downs but who knows

[main grove]

yeah it's been a while since I've sunk a lot of time into it. Dark and darker has been a whole lot more fun for me personally

and some of my friends that I could never convince to play EFT have enjoyed DaD

[rose sandal]

I see the bot didn’t like anything you were saying lol

[gusty timber]

Y e s

Lol

[rose sandal]

😂😂

[gusty timber]

YEG

[rose sandal]

It was but

With 2 t’s

Guess it’s a flagged word

[gusty timber]

I will keep that in mind bdjdnw

I said something else then thought “ah that’s fair I’ll do somthing else” but then that was also flagged so I tried tapping into my crossword brain parts to think of words that might be fine

[mossy ruin]

EFT was already playable pretty much the same time as PUBG release idk what u smoking. Pretty confident that Tarkov inspiration came from the previous title that the team came from.

[gusty timber]

Probably yeah

[gusty timber]

Horrid stuff I live in Florida

[mossy ruin]

Oh, im sorry to hear that, carry on, you are doing great all things considered

[gusty timber]

The weed is laced with the drinking water that shit is horrid

[dusk canyon]

yep a paracord and a red rebel is a good start (wink wink)

[verbal marsh]

I dont like tarkov casue I got shot.

at least with dad I get a proper jump scare before I get rekt.

[fiery ledge]

windlass crossbow with high armor pen and phys damage

you just die

no foreplay like with the rogue

no wondering if the felling axe will 1 tap you either

[cosmic thistle]

I got hit with a 160 damage crossbow and was at half hp.

Its because I play cleric.

[fiery ledge]

thats pretty bad damage for a crossbow lol

[cosmic thistle]

No it aint.

[fiery ledge]

my best was 250-270 range

and was told there was better

:\

[cosmic thistle]

Bruh we are not even talking about the same game. People have 80-100 hp on average

THE BEST crossbow I saw did 180 and thats including all the + damage bonuses. It was a legendary windless crossbow.

[fiery ledge]

So the great thing about building properly is with bonus physical % modifiers on things that already have a flat damage modifier over 100, is that when the % modis stack, you can go way past that small number

I spent good money and time building as best I could for some of my kits and nobody was safe from me

headshots were 250-270

[cosmic thistle]

You do realize that the average damage for an epic tier crossbow is 60 right?

[fiery ledge]

You can go do the builds yourself

[cosmic thistle]

Thats not my point. You said 160 was LOW damage for a crossbow, in a build or not. You are not playing the same game as me.

[fiery ledge]

For windlass

[cosmic thistle]

This is a straight up troll post. Convince me otherwise please.

[fiery ledge]

If we're talking about a good build for a windlass, 160 is low

[crimson stag]

Just one of a bunch of super viable ranger builds

so diverse

[cosmic thistle]

How the hell is a 1 shot to anyone that isnt either in full blue/purple gear or a barbarian in whites/greens not a good build?

[cosmic thistle]

160 is almost the cap. Please show proof of that not being the case. I dont believe you.

and I aint talking about headshots, I mean the listed damage on the weapons stats

[fiery ledge]

lets say all pieces have bonus phys damage of at least 3-4%, 9 pieces total because secondary doesnt count, 36% would be the best you could get from one modifier, plus the other stats amping your damage on the critical past the initial 120 ~ so lets say its flat modis then % on top, which would be 36% of your number which was 160

whats 36% of 160 added onto itself reaver

54+160 reaver

what is it

[cosmic thistle]

Lmao you got 36% bonus which is something that literally no one can consistently equip and call all other builds trash

[fiery ledge]

I never called anyones build trash

[cosmic thistle]

Whether you do 180 damage to someone or 200 it makes little difference other than one costing 500g and the other 5000g

[cosmic thistle]

Paraphrase.

[fiery ledge]

good luck with it

ttyl

[cosmic thistle]

I still see no proof

No body is roaming around in the dungeons with this build and saying "huh only 160 damage on a crossbow, weak"

[fiery ledge]

most players failed miserably, i also offered you math, math doesnt exist on emotions, it exists on facts

have a good night

we're done talking now

[cosmic thistle]

Here is some math for ya. Place every buff on yourself the game allows and get the highest possible rolls on every unqiue item in the game. Your build is now "low tier"

The calculations never stop scaling!

[white cliff]

@forest briar What’s the appeal with a pve only mode?

Surely you could just go play vermintide?

This game doesn’t have super deep combat, and satisfying pve. It would be a lot of development time for quite a small amount of people.

Diablo is fun too.

[forest briar]

yea but dark and darker is a new game and already has better pve then both of those games

[cosmic thistle]

Its a minority, people that are not good enough to win against other players.

[white cliff]

You’re saying basic swinging is better than games with fully fleshed out combat and loot systems….sure….

[white cliff]

You think because it’s a new game they should just use resources to develop a pve mode?

[cosmic thistle]

A lot goes on behind the scenes, messing up slightly means death.

[white cliff]

I mean it’s not dark souls, you step to the right or backwards.

[cosmic thistle]

But yes the combat right now isnt nearly as complex as other combat systems but its a big part of why its so approachable to the masses.

[forest briar]

no but it is a suggestion and just like all of you i can have my own opinions

[white cliff]

The combat and movement systems aren’t incredibly thorough.

[white cliff]

Right, and this is the suggestion discussion channel….

[forest briar]

my only real reason for suggesting a pve only is because not everyone likes pvp

[timber stone]

@white cliff same one from osrs?

[white cliff]

I like medieval games, therefore call of duty shouldn’t have guns. Not every game needs to not have, or have certain things that other games have.

[white cliff]

Osrs?

[timber stone]

oldschool runescape, use to see person with that twitch name in few channles didnt know if same person

[white cliff]

Ah, no.

[timber stone]

gotcha

[white cliff]

What car is that btw?

I keep trying to zoom in.

[timber stone]

92 hatch with h22a swap

[white cliff]

Sheesh.

I like the color.

Gotta take a better photo though.

[timber stone]

ty ty my friend has very similar color coupe with k24 swap

[forest briar]

it was a suggestion my dude calm down what are you the thought police

[timber stone]

that photos like shit 9 yrs od lol

[white cliff]

My guy, it’s a suggestion discussion channel. Are you confused where you are…?

[white cliff]

Very cool.

[timber stone]

if they make a pve only it diminishes the factor of getting gear from pvp ones, and if they offered better for pvp ones then youd have the pve people crying

[forest briar]

simply dont let them bring gear over

[timber stone]

? so 2 sep games basically?

[white cliff]

I just don’t think it’s worth the development resources to make an entire pve mode with servers, that divides the community. I’m not even for multiple queue systems.

[timber stone]

^ exactly like if it somehow gets a huge playerbase with like 50k-100k+ concurrent players always then id could see solo/duo ques and such but for now shouldnt be divided

[forest briar]

yea but pve might bring in more player who might not wanna fight other players

[timber stone]

but thats not the game they created again it makes a huge divide, u cant trade between each playerbase its basically 2 games. again i could maybe see it if it gets a huge following but until then who knows

also at that point what is the point of playing an mmo for just pve?

this style anyway

[forest briar]

how will know if it will do well if they dont try

[timber stone]

again it makes a huge divide into a game thats not even complete yet. thats a big reason id say there not doing it. again if this somehow got a huge following like i said with 50-100k concurrent im sure theyd ask or poll and see if people wanted that

but asking for 2 separate games while theyre working on 1 id say wont happen

im biased because ive always loved pvp, but imo with no pvp in this game how it was just off last playtest (sure stuff will change) a pve only version would get very boring and non threatening quick

[forest briar]

my guy the game itself dosn't even have 50-100k how the heck is it gonna get a following

[timber stone]

? wehat do u mean... word of mouth they literally spent $600 on pr and got this far

HUGE name streamers playing their playtest and loving it

penguinz0/ asmongold/xqc/sodapoppin and very many more

[forest briar]

i never said word of mouth dude dont put shit in my mouth

[timber stone]

u just asked me how are they going to get a following and i said word of mouth..........

[barren wing]

lol?

[forest briar]

have you never heard of advertising

[timber stone]

omg... i give up bro gl ❤️

[slate tartan]

The percentage of people that play pvp games but don't like pvp is very low so it's alot to ask for to appease a very small minority which is not how you make a good game unfortunately

[white cliff]

Compared to other pve games, like Diablo it wouldn’t because of the lack of combat systems and interesting gameplay. The whole thing is loot risk. Imagine a pve mode, that you get to keep every single piece of loot each time. You would maybe like 20 runs before peaking?

Then what would be the point in playing.

It would just be a waste of development resources.

[white cliff]

That’s not how you make sound business decisions.

[forest briar]

not a business decision but a suggestion

[white cliff]

Your suggestion is intact a business decision if they choose to make it.

Hence why we suggest it.

[agile condor]

I mean, those players could also go play Skyrim

This game would be DOA as a PVE game, would be like PVE Hunt Showdown or Tarkov lol

There are games with way more content & stories etc for those looking for PvE

Heck, Elden Ring

[long dawn]

Can agree. And to even try adding a PVE version would be a waste of time

[cosmic thistle]

@clear fox Dont worry ill stand by you.

[clear fox]

Thank you my sweet. At least someone understands me ❤️

[cosmic thistle]

Cheesing bosses left a bad taste in my mouth.

[gloomy cradle]

I agree as well. Too many people just run past mobs looking for PvP

[cosmic thistle]

When I fought the wraight like a man and kited all its attacks thats when it felt like I earned the loot.

[clear fox]

exactly, there's no fun in a fight with 0 challenge. If you cheese the pve you might as well be downloading hacks

[cosmic thistle]

Thats one way to put it.

[clear fox]

Maybe it's a little harsh but that's how I see it

imagine playing elden ring but all the bosses were easily defeated with some silly cheesy trick like standing on a torch and shooting a bow

[boreal sun]

pretty interesting lykos

people will downvote changes for QoL because it would "make the game easier"

en masse

idk where you get the perception that you'll be downvoted for wanting the game more difficult

unless the general opinion has radically shifted in here over the last 2 weeks

[white cliff]

They won’t vote it because a lot of people die to pve. It’s not really QoL related?

[boreal sun]

I mean in the past

I've seen many arguments where one person suggests a QoL change or something similar and the response is "you just want the game to be easier"

and the suggestion gets -20 votes

[white cliff]

I can’t generalize you’d have to give me specific examples.

[wary junco]

I personaly do not understand why ppl dont want popping up numbers on enemys and allys tbh

[white cliff]

They want to keep some form of realism I suppose.

I’d use numbers probably.

[boreal sun]

my own suggestion to make it so the hitboxes on certain moves are more accurate to the animation, so that dodging them would feel less like a gamble

or literally any time someone suggests damage numbers

[wary junco]

It is very valuable information to decide to take or disengage a fight

[white cliff]

Oh yeah, you’re that person huh.

[wary junco]

I mean we are in a game that contains ghosts and walking skelis with a mage in it

[boreal sun]

still gotta find out if the hitboxes were a bug or not

but playtest times

[wary junco]

Where is the realism in that

[white cliff]

It has a lot to do with challenge factor, not knowing exact health and damage.

[boreal sun]

challenge due to withheld information can be done well

but it's hard to argue for it in a pvp setting

[white cliff]

It’s the realism inside the universe, it’s an extract looter with fantasy themes. You suspend your disbelief to be inside this universe, it’s not realistic in a literal sense as in our world. Numbers would make the game feel more cartoony.

[boreal sun]

if they added damage numbers to pvp only I'd be happy because that's the place where it truly matters

[wary junco]

Why would such a mechanic degrees the challenge?

[boreal sun]

it doesn't

[white cliff]

What.

[boreal sun]

people will figure out the numbers eventually

[white cliff]

How…

[wary junco]

Like its just a number you can just uncheck the box in the options you dont need to take it

[white cliff]

How do you calculate based on your own weapons and armor versus someone you’re hitting?

The armor is different per player every time.

[wary junco]

Thats impossible

Yeah

[boreal sun]

let me explain once my pc loads up discord and I can actually type

[wary junco]

You could never judge "i just need 2 hits more to kill him"

[white cliff]

You don’t need to, you wouldn’t be able to figure out numbers in the current state with varied numbers and random armor states of enemies?

[wary junco]

Also because you never realy can judge where you hit them so you might have hit hit toe which Deals -20 dmg compared to the torso

Adding the dmg numbers would be just a very nice change specialy since its already in the game

[boreal sun]

so ultimately leo is correct
you cannot make informed decisions in a system which hides information from you, you can only guess, or assume based on the worst possible scenario
this doesn't increase difficulty, it just means you have to gamble, which is nowhere near as satisfying in the long-term of a game's lifespan

BUT, even if they added damage numbers, it wouldn't matter (at least with the game's current systems)

[wary junco]

With the dummys

[boreal sun]

because you cannot know how much STR or HP someone is stacking

if a fighter has 100 HP and I do 35 damage per swing, I kill in 3 hits

but if they stacked enough HP to get more than 105 HP, then I kill in 4

so even with damage numbers, nothing changes

[white cliff]

I’m saying the argument was for realism, you where the one saying people could figure it out.

[boreal sun]

the realism argument has its own problem

[wary junco]

Yeah, but it reduces the likelyhood of any random number fuxking up you calculatiob

[white cliff]

I would use numbers, you asked what the argument against them would be.

[boreal sun]

oh, no

I know the arguments, I was bringing up the difficulty thing

as for realism, it's a futile argument, because in time, immersion fades

no matter what game you play, you will eventually see past the curtain and understand it as a set of mechanics

[wary junco]

I mean you can litterly make dark and darker to light and lighter with gamma so

[boreal sun]

the era of exploration and immersion is a magical one, and one where people can have the most fun with a game, and I appreciate the effort of trying to prolong that

but

it will fade no matter what

[wary junco]

Immersion is a relic and a believe that you should not count on

[boreal sun]

if you play a game for 300 hours, you're not going to be immersed anymore

no matter what steps are taken to preserve it

[white cliff]

The only game I can think of that shows numbers is TF2, and fortnite. Which are both genuinely cartoony.

I can’t think of any games that use PBR textures on unreal that do.

[wary junco]

Doesnt matter if they are catoony

[white cliff]

That’s the argument for realism, it shifts the vibe of the game.

[wary junco]

It doesnt matter if it doesnt fit to the artstyle

I mean any mmorpg has it

[boreal sun]

the big argument for numbers is variable damage
makes sense in TF2 when there's spread weapons and splash damage, so you need to know the exact roll you got

makes sense in Dark and Darker because you want to know how much your damage has changed by if you put on new gear

not necessary in, say, Counterstrike

where each weapon has a specific amount of damage it does at each range

people can memorize that, and it never changes

[wary junco]

Also to how to understand how hitboxes work for example rogues backstab

[white cliff]

CS gives you a log of damage hits in console though.

[boreal sun]

yeah definitely important for hit registration too

Dark souls shows damage

mordhau does

I forget if for honor does

[wary junco]

It doesnt

[boreal sun]

many fighting games do, most "arcade shooters" do

[white cliff]

Showing damage with health bars, and showing damage numbers are different things.

[wary junco]

But ppl can judge by the health bars

[boreal sun]

mordhau shows numbers, but everyone has 100 hp

[white cliff]

I also don’t think enemy health bars would fit the style either.

[boreal sun]

dark souls shows both

but it doesn't show the "total" hp

oh yeah, I mean

think of most RPGs

think of D&D itself

you know your damage roll, but you never know the enemy's max hp unless you looked it up or tested it

it works well in PvE to create tension

[wary junco]

Or you got an ability to analyze it

[boreal sun]

you gotta play every turn like it won't be the last

damage numbers are a very interesting game design aspect to think about in terms of how it bolsters/hinders gameplay and in what contexts

[white cliff]

It works in PvP the same way though. It makes you cautious of situations. With numbers I’d be able to gauge fights a lot better, especially with a ranged weapon.

[boreal sun]

I'd argue differently with PvP

yes, it creates caution, but you also can't guarantee anything with other players, and it's often better to try and 'level the playing field' as much as possible

PvP is at its best when it encourages informed decisionmaking between both sides

if neither player knows how much HP the other has, or how much damage they themselves are doing, it becomes actual guesswork

there are several instances in just the last playtest alone where I swore I had the upper hand

opponent retreating, I headshot them 4 times with an axe

they kill me, and I see their HP afterwards, and it's only at about 60%

did I hit them? did hit registration work? were they using strong armor? were they cheating?

how am I supposed to know?

there's no feedback mechanism and that's very counter to a good pvp experience

with damage numbers, it'd be much more fair, but it'd still be flawed because of HP stacking

better than no numbers at all

(of course if they did add damage numbers, I'd prefer it be a toggle, set to "off" by default, to preserve the immersion and exploration phase for new players and players who value immersion)

[elfin bloom]

you should know if and where you are hitting them. if you headshot them 4 times with an axe, they would not be at 60%.

[boreal sun]

that's my point, really

I don't know I headshot them 4 times, I just assumed I did because it looked like it on my screen
but I don't know if any of those hits registered, if all of them were headshots, or how much damage any of them did

I can't know if they were healing from a potion they drank earlier, or had some insane defense values, or if the hits simply didn't register because of a bug

(if such a bug existed, lack of damage numbers would make such a bug near-impossible to detect and research, for another thing)

[red jewel]

suggestions bot broken?

[wary junco]

For me dmg numbers would be a very skill rewarding mechanic which barely has any downsides beside "BUT MAH IMMERSION....noooo.." which i find is a very poor point

[long dawn]

I feel like that's too much information to have at your disposal

[wary junco]

Why would deny information? Like why? Why would you hide information that could be usefull? Your statement feels to me like " Dude iam to lazy to do math while fights, i just want to smack" which is fine you know, but adding information never hurst

[late scroll]

ehh shit like that usually just leads to 3rd party addons

[rocky oar]

Or dataminers

It's just really annoying, why would you wanna play a guessing game to see what does a certain amount of damage

[long dawn]

No that's just not a good thing to have In a hardcore pvp experience. If you cant get kills just practice more

[rocky oar]

lol

[late scroll]

i mean might as well check every player stat then, max hp move speed mr armor, all those are guessing game too lol

[rocky oar]

I might have missed the argument

What were they arguing about?

[long dawn]

I just don't see a good reason for it in a serious pvp game like this

[wary junco]

Displaying dmg numbers on players or just in generell

[rocky oar]

Ohhhh

[wary junco]

I basicly said that i dont see any reason to not do it besides the poor point "maaaah immersion "

[rocky oar]

It changes how someone fights entirely

[wary junco]

Because if it leads to 3rd Party Systems it is good, since third party systems usualy improve player expierence

[late scroll]

yea for those who use them

those who dont just simply at disadvantage

[wary junco]

Yeah it is up to the user to use them. Which is total fine

[long dawn]

Aye yall check the general chat

[wary junco]

Well they choose to be kokkor

[rocky oar]

When people see lower numbers than usual on enemies they hit, then the assumption is that they have gear making people play differently

[wary junco]

They might aswell use it aswell

[rocky oar]

Also there are plenty ways to detect 3rd party software which will get people banned

[late scroll]

also shows when you hit or miss

[wary junco]

Yes exactly linsung more intelegent play instead of random brawls

[late scroll]

maybe not big deal as melee but ranged way different

[rocky oar]

heh?

lmao

[wary junco]

Exactly kokkor also hitting diffrent bodyparts does diffrent dmg

[long dawn]

The audio should tell you if you hit or not even with a bow

[slate tartan]

You don't need that sort of information in a game like this, especially when solo's go up against teams, comes down to communication and awareness

Just become another boring numbers meta game, we have enough of them already

[barren wing]

Awareness is a big part of PvP experience

[late scroll]

less info more fun

[wary junco]

So you tell me you can keep track of every hp of your enemys?

[barren wing]

Relatively

[slate tartan]

If you don't know where you hit someone then you need some motor skills training

[wary junco]

Less info the less fun iam allowed to have

[rocky oar]

This guy has 0 awareness clearly

[barren wing]

Because you have to actually think? Or?

[slate tartan]

Sorry this isn't Fortnite

[late scroll]

there should just be a big red bar on top of every player !

[wary junco]

The point is, if you dont get proper information to play with it is pointless to make the effort to think in the first place

[rocky oar]

lmao

[wary junco]

Just hit

[barren wing]

The information is there if you actually look for it

[long dawn]

Why dont we just add a health bar above everything's head and a bar showing you all active buffs

[wary junco]

No not realy

[slate tartan]

Lol I can't even 😂 pointless to even try, says alot

[wary junco]

You seem to shift to the emotional part of a discussion so at this point there is no reason to argue

[long dawn]

That would be awsome just a screen full of health bars and flying numbers

[cosmic thistle]

@jolly moon Why was your suggestion downvoted so much? What did you do?

[cedar mirage]

I’d agree that there should a training room but that’s more quality of life to see the difference in damage but what a waste of time for a dev to put damage numbers in the main game. It’s a hardcore PvP…

[cosmic thistle]

Is adding flavor to the kill feed not something the community likes?

[slate tartan]

Why should you be spoon fed for not wanting to make an effort lol

[late scroll]

you should also be able to see people through walls! because less info less fun!

[cosmic thistle]

Clearly immersion isnt a factor you look at.

[wary junco]

You see, you are just beeing a kid now. Which is not through puberty

[rocky oar]

Go play fortnut

[cosmic thistle]

He made a good point though. Your statement has faulty logic.

[wary junco]

Immersion should never be an Argument

[cosmic thistle]

But...why?

[long dawn]

Everyone has predator vision and dragon ball z scouters

[wary junco]

Since it is a thing you cant rely on to last. In a game where you can make dark and darker to Light and lighter with changing your gamma immersion is hard to take serious as argument

[cedar mirage]

What? You mean the complete immerse dungeon game you been playing listening to the sound of footsteps if it’s people, skeletons or you just hearing something

[slate tartan]

Of course you need to do that 😂

[cedar mirage]

Yeah immersion such a silly argument….

[wary junco]

Also thanks for moderating my comment even though these ppl started making fun of me mods. Great work!

[slate tartan]

You literally promoted the use of third party software, stop trying to play victim lol

[cedar mirage]

Also if you honestly were upping the light on your computer to play im lost for words xD

[long dawn]

Immersion in a fantasy game? Impossible never been done

[wary junco]

I mean what do you have against 3rd party Systems? They usual improve player expierence, logicly hacks should not be allowed

[late scroll]

yea I loved 3rd party software last playtest so fun to play against machine gun rangers! 👍

[wary junco]

Yeah but you see, ppl actualy do that. I personaly dont do that but it is very much possible

[cedar mirage]

Too much improvement kills games as some players want everything streamlined to the point it’s boring. Happens all the time in MMOs and a lot of people on this discord know that the game is meant to be hardcore

[slate tartan]

Why do you need an advantage other players don't have? Especially when they want to port to console, what are console players supposed to do against third party software, just accept they are at a disadvantage? It's bad for games and only unskilled people need them

[cedar mirage]

Learn the game, I played cleric and had two builds in the end. A massive Will based for team play and a lot of damage reduction and then a strength/knowledge build so I could go more into the fray

[slate tartan]

Some games just aren't for everyone

[wary junco]

Well you could just say yes, they made the choice to play on a platform that doesnt Support 3rd party systems... but i get your point in that regard the game itself should look AT these 3rd party softwares and try to introduce them into the game itself

[rocky oar]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

Just a skill diff bro

[slate tartan]

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in a while, good luck with the new Fortnite season 👌

[wary junco]

Like the best example in this case realy is WoW. In very much cases WoW added features that only were optainable through a 3rd party system

Because they understood these features improve player experience

[long dawn]

Fortnight battle pass, I just shit out my ass

[rocky oar]

Lmao

WoW is actually

the worst example

[jolly moon]

Nobody wants 360 no scopes 😭

[wary junco]

Why would you it is the worst? I think the worst example would be ff14 which completly kills improvements

[rocky oar]

The reason WoW allowed it is because they didn't build any proper mechanics in the game to help the player at all making addons a requirement

[wary junco]

Yeah but thats not the point linsung

[rocky oar]

They literally started building their raids around people having addons

and if you didn't have addons, gg gl

[long dawn]

I dont see a problem with it. That's the type of information that doesn't effect gameplay but is very fun

[wary junco]

The point is aknowliding the fact that a mechanic is good for players and add them

[jolly moon]

I think the same thing, others don't seem to agree though 😂

[cosmic thistle]

Same. Cleric was so much fun!

[hollow sentinel]

damage numbers are a stupid addition

[wary junco]

You seem to blow this argument out of porportion a little bit

[long dawn]

The majority so far hate the idea so the fact you think this still is kind of cool I guess

[cosmic thistle]

When I first saw the trailer I was worried the actual game would have them, which I actually don't like when games include the numbers.

[wary junco]

Way to much emotions

[long dawn]

I mean your the one crying

[cosmic thistle]

I acknowledge that, that mechanic sucks. Don't clutter my screen with these numbers.

[long dawn]

We state our reason, you whine, and we make fun of you. Repeat until now

[cosmic thistle]

@late scroll I smell you lurker.

[cedar mirage]

I disagree sometimes players want things added in that remove elements of game play that are fundamental to the game. This is a hardcore pvpve. MMOs have shown that players want so many changes to make games easier they die off. If there was a training room with numbers then sure but in the actual dungeon would be stupid visually as well as no one is going to really pay attention due to PvP

[long dawn]

Ya gots to be trolling so I'm going to quick block you before I get in trouble ya know! Gotta respect the mods and what not

[cosmic thistle]

This comment almost perfectly visualizes why their suggestion is bad. One thing I would add is that everyone isnt really meant to know how much damage they are doing to other people.

Bluffing how much HP you have is a strategy that would be completely revoked if people could see your HP ticking

[cedar mirage]

Yeah I mean even a dummy isn’t going to really reflect armour ect so that’s why it’s kinda redundant anyway as I liked learning it

[long dawn]

I need a BONE RIDE immediately!!!

[cosmic thistle]

Skeletal horse mount?

[long dawn]

Well I was talking about what the skeleman do to a fellow in the dungeon. They hand out free Bone Rides! Even if you didn't want one

[cosmic thistle]

I still dont know what bone ride means.

Bone ride = death via bones?

[late scroll]

i hope not

[cosmic thistle]

Those two words dont really visualize it for me.

[long dawn]

It's ok we've all had one

But yes death to bones

[cosmic thistle]

Urban dictionary tells me it means smoking a joint in a car.

[long dawn]

That's what they do when they've finished giving Bone Rides

[cosmic thistle]

Now it sounds sexual

[late scroll]

😳

[long dawn]

It always was my man! Its always was

[cosmic thistle]

Get off me bone

[long dawn]

The only BONE RIDE I'm looking for is from a strong skeleman deep in the darkest dungeon.

My dungeon!!!!

[cosmic thistle]

Bloody bone marrow kinks are something I didn't want to find today.

[verbal marsh]

traps are marked on map, they dont need to be more or less visible once aware.@nimble juniper

hopefully once they done with the first few levels of dg they can start adding more dangerous dark souls like enemies.

glad that they start to have more attack animations on the higher difficulty versions

[cosmic thistle]

The traps marked on map are actually intentionally misleading. They put traps in places that dont show on map as well. For example in maze map it shows the two traps but doesn;t tell you they are on either side of the wall and a second pair of them are further down the hall.

[rocky oar]

Yea, it only shows some of the traps

I found several traps that didn't show on the map at all

[wide sage]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[static coral]

throwing torchs reveals invis!

[rigid echo]

i think it would be cool if there was a base building aspect like the hide out from tarkov. it could be a way to add more loot to the pool or a way to contribute to the quest that will be coming it. maybe there could also be a way to craft things like potions with materials you find once again to increase the loot pool and a way to get potions without having to spend the money

[wide sage]

Honestly a base building aspect WOULD heighten the fantasy of the game. You're delving into a cursed tomb for loot, not for the sake of doing it, so OF COURSE the player characters would want that money for something outside of the dungeon.

[rigid echo]

yeah thats what ive been thinking hopefully we arent the only ones

[wide sage]

I've seen it suggested quite a few times. I think (not sure) the devs have said they have an interest in that, too. But that'll be a feature developed much later down the road

[verbal marsh]

What if they made it so you could pmm, and it be based on whether you're good/evil. So evil players match with evil groups, and good players match with good groups. If you kill a teammate you get -5 karma, +karma cap of say 5. you gain karma by exiting dg +1, you can become as evil as you want no limit, if you go over a threshold a bounty is put on you that can only be removed by a good align enemy player killing you.

[wide sage]

I've seen suggestions like that, too. Not a bad idea, either. Tho the person I first saw suggest it only had it as a form of punishment for disruptive players, but I kinda like the idea of embracing it as "evil character" instead. Kinda reminds me of Invaders from the Soulborne series.

[verbal marsh]

was it my other karma suggestion? or did someone else have the thought

[wide sage]

I believe it was someone else

[verbal marsh]

noice

yeah i had a discussion with someone about my other idea, i been meaning to update it just havnt bothered lol

[upbeat pewter]

the only problem with bounties is that it doesnt actually change people going out and killing you. people arnt more encouraged to come find you, because a, they dont have a choice of who is in the lobby, and b, you dont exactly know who is in the lobby with you anyways.

its just extra reward for people killing a random person

[verbal marsh]

I could imagine two potential game modes for the game. A: Bluelock, team building competitive egoist style battle where players compete not to be eliminated, you keep your loot and matches progress with a pool of players for roughly an hour. B: Sword Art; You fight to progress to deeper levels of the dungeon, as you progress quest and fulfill quota's you compete to reach the lower/upper tiers each season.

[upbeat pewter]

honestly, its likely to just be a, the current mode, and 'maybe' b, 1v1, 3v3 arena fights. thats it.

[verbal marsh]

I'd be fine with that; it wouldn't take much to create a mod for such game modes after the fact however.

[upbeat pewter]

ideally id like something like SSF (path of exile) or something like no bank, no trading, no merchants, only quest rewards, play till you die

leaderboard for most of whatever in a single 'run' which is till death

[reef cosmos]

An infinite mode where theres only red portals and 1 blue portal every 5 downs
Every down portal gives the mobs 100hp

Who would get lower? Leaderboard

Better loot would be nice too

[quaint bough]

worst suggestion ever, those modern dances destroy all atmosphere in games

[white cliff]

For as much as I love this game I don’t get the appeal of pve. The combat isn’t diverse compared to full pve games, it’s relatively easy, and if there’s nobody to stop you from losing loot you’d peak out and one shot mobs every run.

[upbeat pewter]

makes it hard. if the game runs like normal, but you cant access bank (just character inventory), you can still run against normal players, which is kind of ideal

[restive rock]

@halcyon island , although I fully agree with your words, they do not fit in #d-and-d-suggestions.

[halcyon island]

its so cringe when people compare darker and darker to dungeons and dragon so cringe the same when zenith lauched all people could see was omg sword art online game

[restive rock]

Or am I wrong?

[gloomy cradle]

[halcyon island]

yaasssss sl

so pls stop calling it D&D

[verbal marsh]

Roblox player has y issues.

[reef cosmos]

That was true for the last test and ppl hated me for saying it, let's see for this one now.

[halcyon island]

thats funny but pls let my kid play roblox i dont want him playing fortnite

[verbal marsh]

fair :3

[gloomy cradle]

fortnite makes me want to stab other people. roblox makes me want to stab myself

[verbal marsh]

all honesty if i wasnt too old for minecraft gfx I would play roblox too lol

I tried fortnite during pride month recently. That music lol....

[halcyon island]

i mean your never too old for a game

where all just playing video games

as long as you dont harras kids on hobo hotel as 50 year old its fine

[verbal marsh]

nah, I ain trying to raise or educate other peoples children im good on roblox lol

[halcyon island]

i dont see a better game for him too play

he acculy tried making his own lol

he's trying to learn lua and stuff

[verbal marsh]

It is a good game for children, hence why im not playing - get the connection?

[halcyon island]

soccer is also a good game for childern so no i dont

[verbal marsh]

its okay some day you will understand lol

[halcyon island]

i saw him playing a game called Deep woken and that game looking pretty decent tbh

[verbal marsh]

lua and Python are good entry programming scripts when I first learned.

[lusty wren]

This is my thought. It would take so much work to make DaD's PVE stand on its own two feet. Its just not worth it

[opal sparrow]

Man that sucks hopefully MoM's PVE is better

[lusty wren]

Highly original

[coral harbor]

Just asking cause its probably been suggested tons of times yet but how likely are we to see new classes added like the druid or the bard and so on?

[slate tartan]

Very likely for full release

[upbeat pewter]

Bard and druid are definites, and the rest of the DnD 5e classes have been hinted at.

[fervent falcon]

Oh man 6 hour slow mode on suggestions. I had two lol.

[upbeat pewter]

Too many people spamming troll suggestions

[serene snow]

are we allowed to edit our suggestions anymore?

[gentle blade]

Check DMs

[granite plinth]

Where there server issues last time? I joined the demo late so idk

[opaque shore]

@granite plinth Please no more troll suggestions. Pay to win will never happen.

[lusty wren]

add a crime police
if u kill too many in the dungeon u will look suspicious
and police will chasing u in the dungeon!

This should qualify also 😄

[frosty creek]

guys i want to add to my suggest also:
vendor will be more stingy

maybe there can be a evil vendor also and it will sell for cheaper

[opaque shore]

This sounds more like a reputation system than troll to me

[lusty wren]

"Police will chase you" sounds like a serious suggestion?

[frosty creek]

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/background:investigator

maybe it can be a class ? investigator ? it have bonus to track player killers

[opaque shore]

It's just a reputation system. Police might be just hyperbole because of their age or something.

[smoky yoke]

the bounty hunters perhaps

[lusty wren]

😄

ok

[open ermine]

so wait is the suggestion to add a GTA style cops get mad and chase you thing?, or something like the police covenants from Darksouls etc

[smoky yoke]

like the dark moon yes

blade of the dark moon

[lusty wren]

Suggestion sounds much more like GTA than blade of the dark moon

This also does not sound like a karma system at all. It states when youve killed to many people in the dungeon

[smoky yoke]

I personally don't like it as system anyway
people previously suggested similar stuff like with taking away the ears of people lol

I like more generic quests
and I wonder how they will be

[fervent falcon]

Re: Karma since it came up earlier/maybe still talked about, I'd like a simple "this player kills his teammates a lot/on spawn" system and just make karma visible so you know who you're teaming up with. That way if you see someone with -5000 karma you know you're going to have a bad time in advance.

[smoky yoke]

like displaying their name in red?

in the HUD perhaps

[fervent falcon]

Or that. I guess it would be a bit less obvious to newbies and they might away with more shennanigans lol. Or they might wonder what this -99999 karma means XD

[lusty wren]

Sounds like an incentive to me 😄

Needs to be an emote that lets people group up in dungeon than a Karma system makes more sense to me

[smoky yoke]

for what we have seen, it is just with invites for now

[fervent falcon]

yes that happened me twice with invites from rogue or 2 players. fun times 😛

[smoky yoke]

i'd invite only trusted friends basically
but this like in every game 🤔
but i could still see it as system maybe

something i'd like to see is the randomization of enemies at least
not the dungeons but just the disposition of enemies only
so it is more various and fun
maybe this only in HR dungeons

[fervent falcon]

they might have to differentiate between "intentional teamkills" and "accidental friendly fire"/"killing my buddy for his loot because he got dcd" though although in the latter case, the game should let you reconnect. I think it does? mostly. (of course if they add karma it has to be accountwide, because someone will definitely make 20 different characters with different spellings of BillyBob for shits and giggles to reset karma each time else)

[smoky yoke]

oh not sure how it would work that but yea
also iirc I saw it was possible to rejoin if you get disconnected or due to crashes
but i'm not sure here

[eager sable]

This command has been disabled on this server

[hollow sentinel]

@covert slate that's already a thing

[covert slate]

Isnt it a reduced time tho not instant?

[hollow sentinel]

0.1 seconds is basically instant

[covert slate]

Hmm don't remember that perk and or skill

[hollow sentinel]

it replaces meditation so you have to choose

[covert slate]

I primarily used the spell dmg perks

ahhhh

[hollow sentinel]

limited instant casts or permanent spell reload

[covert slate]

see thats what I'm talking about I think it be cool to pair with meditation

[hollow sentinel]

it's not bad but it's different

instant cast fireball goes hard

[covert slate]

but then again spell wheel is a thing

ya i bet

It be cool to be in a situation where u can add pressure with a insta cast and fall back a lil to start casting spells

Ill have to try that perk you're talking about

[hollow sentinel]

it's best if you have a team

[open ermine]

we have that already lmao

[hollow sentinel]

using it solo is hard because you still need to clear rooms

[open ermine]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Wizard#Skills-0

IF makes your next spell .1s on cast bootleg clearcast

[hollow sentinel]

if your team can clear rooms while you bust heads with your instant nuke it's great

[covert slate]

right @open ermine but u gotta give up something for that

[open ermine]

yeah if you lose med for it it can hurt pretty bad

[covert slate]

both are pretty important

[hollow sentinel]

if you run it you definitely only take damage spells

[covert slate]

idk I think wizards should already have spell memory by default and then u can use the spell memory 2 perk for additional spells if u need them

that could open up the idea of meditation and inner focus

[open ermine]

that would be the dream

[rocky oar]

It should be that way

And we have talked about it a lot already

Makes no sense that we are automatically forced to give up one of skill slots

[hollow sentinel]

it doesn't make sense, you're right, but current state wizard with access to an instant cast would be giga broken

[rocky oar]

Oh well, send it

Let us have double spell memory with meditation xD

[covert slate]

once more spells are added to the game I'm sure it will end up being that way

[torn hound]

They should really advertise the discord more it was hard to find.

[rocky oar]

?

I just typed Dark and Darker Discord and it was the first thing that popped up

Googling 101

[covert slate]

pretty sure it's on all social media

as well

[torn hound]

Idk i found the reddit pretty fast

But it took weeks to find this

[rocky oar]

Bruh

That's on u

xD

[open ermine]

i just clicked the big JOIN OUR DISCORD banner on the steam store page

[torn hound]

My bad

[rocky oar]

I just looked it up, it's literally the first option and second option for me

[smoky yoke]

you can find the link directly in the steam store page of the game also

[rocky oar]

We already told him

[quaint sentinel]

i recommend boots of questionable stealth when equipped turns you invisible footsteps volume +1000%

your footprints always glow like if a ranger with perk saw them

[late scroll]

does edit not work no more

[late scroll]

nvm bot absolutly busted rn

[opaque shore]

.shortinfo 1569209

[eager sable]

Suggestion from neroz#1221

Im gonna make suggest has been made many time, so to honor the wardens. I suggest to add a warden-like creature / miniboss inside the dungeon, u can attack the warden and kill it but u may also pay 0$ (free) to have it follow u around and help u clean out the dungeon, thanks!

Opinion:

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Suggestion ID: 1569209 | Submitted at · Jan 28, 2023, 9:15 PM

[late scroll]

try suggest or edit

[opaque shore]

@shadow scaffold Why?
This suggestion is basically "Give Wardens an Enemy NPC", why would you want that to be the reference?
Why not just an actual Warden without any ties whatsoever to the discord server?

[idle ridge]

The fuck is this suggestion

[carmine path]

suggestion is bugged for me

guess ill wait another 6 hrs

[late scroll]

same

[turbid rose]

Just realized which class suggestion channel you can view is tied to your selected role in the Discord. Seems to add no value to have to reassign a role just to be able to view what people are saying about each class. Why not open them all up?

[carmine path]

It’s aimed toward your main not all

[clear fox]

Why are people okay with plate armor reducing magic resist? How is that supposed to make sense?

[agile condor]

Well if it gets hot, you’re cooking yourself alive

Maybe it’s conductive to electricity as well idk lol

[opaque shore]

In theory It's more for class-specific talk from people that play the class. That's the reasoning behind it, something like #game-discussion is the same thing, except towards every class.

[turbid rose]

It makes tons of sense to have those channels to funnel class specific discussions to them. Much easier to navigate and keep concise. Why limit access to them through roles, though? That's what doesn't make sense to me. It takes a role change for when you want to go see what's going on in the town of <insert class>ville.

[upbeat pewter]

people are desperate for wizard nerfs, whether they need them or not, and are against anything that would make them better, despite the fact that major balancing isnt here yet. in reality, that sort of suggestion doesnt matter much, as the devs will tweak it based on stats anyways i feel.

[carmine path]

Pretty sure devs just want DATA

[gloomy cradle]

When your friend is drinking vodka redbulls, it's good form to forget all the silly things they say.

[upbeat pewter]

why are people so against 'simple' weapons being available to all classes, like the basic crossbow

[gloomy cradle]

They're Ranger mains

[hollow sentinel]

we don't need to achieve ranged/melee parity

not everyone should be good at everything

[upbeat pewter]

we're talking simple weapons though. they are very rarely best in class weapons, especially not the basic crossbow

[gloomy cradle]

Ability to do something is not being good at it