what do they do instead?
#suggestion-discussion
fluid forum
gloomy cradle
I mean mechanically they're fine. It just feels like they took an easy solution instead of making something like Stairs Down or Scrolls of Town Portal.
gloomy cradle
Like why would escape portals randomly appear in Lich's Crypt?
fluid forum
this is also not trying to be diablo
upbeat pewter
does it need to make sense, if its mechanically sound?\
fluid forum
cause thats less creative
upbeat pewter
stairs would limit their position
rocky oar
Another realism guy I see
fluid forum
its a system that makes the game tense as shit
i can barely find those blue portals sometimes lmaoo
upbeat pewter
i actually feel like a scroll of town portal would be a cool epic quality drop though
that breaks on leaving the dungeon
fluid forum
idk i feel like thats just stealing tho no?
upbeat pewter
would need to be really rare
gloomy cradle
I mean you're not really comparing the portals to anything else though. Good and Bad are relative statements.
upbeat pewter
other options arnt bad.
gloomy cradle
Then it just is. Can't be good if nothing is bad
upbeat pewter
but portals work really well
fluid forum
like i said the portals are scarce, like i die most of the time from not finding one
upbeat pewter
im yet to ever have trouble finding a portal.
its more fighting over it thats the problem
and thats good for the game
fluid forum
i always have trouble finding portals lmao they hate me ig
maybe i need to stop solo barb
upbeat pewter
a set amount always spawn, and always in the designated area
rocky oar
I love being forced to red portal
rocky oar
It's fun as hell
rocky oar
I got so good and knew the maps really well that it would be extremely rare I would die in inferno
fluid forum
damn i wish i could say the same i stayed away from that most of the time
upbeat pewter
yeah, inferno was only scary when the circle closed on something you werent prepared to kill
fluid forum
i think a system that would create a portal that takes you to another lobby would be interesting
like going round 2 without banking
and like your health from the last lobby stays
rocky oar
I love the way the game it is right now and I support whatever they do to the game
upbeat pewter
alternate mode, cant take blue portals, only red and inferno exits. inferno exits only requeue you.
fluid forum
yes!!
upbeat pewter
can pause before requeue, no bank
fluid forum
thats smart as hell
low flare
i think a system that would create a portal that takes you to another lobby woul...
They talked about this (kind of) once floor 1 is implemented they want to try to merge servers with others who took a red portal
fluid forum
i cant wait for it to come back no lie
gloomy cradle
So you just keep going until you die and lose everything?
upbeat pewter
yeah
fluid forum
no i wanna keep going if theres no other way out like on last seconds of portal they pop up
upbeat pewter
basically just hardcore
i imagine leaderboards for dungeons entered, kills before death, adventure score
fluid forum
but with same health itll be tougher to survive if you dont have pots
gloomy cradle
Money would be worthless then?
upbeat pewter
yep
fluid forum
what??
upbeat pewter
well, you wouldnt have a shop to spend money at
fluid forum
no i mean theres still exits
but like another portal that takes you to another lobby
upbeat pewter
nah, id prefer 0 shop, 0 trading, 0 bank
rocky oar
The only thing I want is my Tiefling Warlock that has Eldritch Blast
gloomy cradle
nah, id prefer 0 shop, 0 trading, 0 bank
I'd prefer this game mode too, just to keep players who like that away from me
fluid forum
that kinda takes away from the extraction genre
rocky oar
Remind me, I'm bad with abbreviations. What is PotB?
upbeat pewter
pact of the blade
fluid forum
oooo yk how runescape has like an ironman mode? what if you could select a harder mode for created characters that forces you to start with no starter gear
and no trading etc
gloomy cradle
You know, the only kind of Warlock that doesn't end up with you casting Eldritch Blast every turn
upbeat pewter
and yeah, PotB warlocks are my jam
fluid forum
thats why itll be a feature that could be selected when creating the character
rocky oar
Bro I hope they had Warlock in with Eldritch Blass
And its like a freaking sniper too just like in DnD
fluid forum
warlock would be cool as hell
rocky oar
120 feet range lmao
rocky oar
Coffee lock bro
upbeat pewter
ew, coffee lock
rocky oar
Where you just do 3-4 eldritch blast per turn
Eldritch Gattling lol
I truly embody the warlock trope and just scream eldritch balst every turn
It's freaking great
gloomy cradle
I hope they go the DnD route with the classes, but I'm betting they go the WoW route with them
rocky oar
Bruh
fluid forum
i hope the bard class is good
rocky oar
U are clueless
fluid forum
lmaoo
fluid forum
what sounds good too is a anti rogue item, that makes them sparkle or sum when theyre invis
but hard to hit
like a throwable or something
gloomy cradle
I'd be happy if they made water physics that revealed invisibles
fluid forum
thats also a good idea
rocky oar
I honestly loved how jank water was
fluid forum
like the fake water area
rocky oar
That made me laugh si hard the first time I jumped in the water and was like
This water ain't even actually here!
fluid forum
i thought it was supposed to be like an illusion but idk haha
granite plinth
I like the idea of a paladin
fluid forum
you like the idea of being broken?
jkjk that sounds good no lie
i was thinking of diablo 2 paladin and laughed a bit
gloomy cradle
Think they will have to vastly expand class trees before they add in classes that fairly similar to already existing ones. Like Paladin or Sorcerer
fluid forum
paladin fits that shoe perfectly too
yeah probably
theyll need to implement the skill tree all the way for it to work
but its a solid idea
sorc is just wizard no??
rocky oar
Lol no
rocky oar
Sorc has innate magic and wizards study for their magic
fluid forum
that makes sense ok
rocky oar
Warlocks make deals with patrons for theirs
gloomy cradle
In DnD Sorc is quality or quantity of spells and Wizard is variety of spells
gloomy cradle
Also, in DnD Paladins are all about their Smite ability. But in DaD Clerics already have a Smite.
fluid forum
dad lol
but yeah true
maybe just like paladin is a buffer
cause ik in d2 paladins have hella skills that do stuff for your team
upbeat pewter
difference between paladin and cleric is paladin is self buffs, 2h weapons
and half caster
fluid forum
i feel like if paladin self buffs itll be a stronger fighter
gloomy cradle
DaD could make Paladins an aura class or something
fluid forum
YES
upbeat pewter
different fighter*
fluid forum
stronger**
i dont make the rules
cause if its gonna be aura based most people will just play paladin instead of fighter
but im not complaining i think fighter could be replaced by paladin
gloomy cradle
I kinda wish the maps were rogue-like with fog of war. Map memorization just makes the learning curve steeper
fluid forum
yeah you see all the new different versions of the map theyre adding?
so itll be kinda randomized
but fog of war would be tight fs
being able to not see the whole room would be kinda scary haha
gloomy cradle
All I've seen were like 5 different 3 seconds clips of people jumping around the B1 forest cave they plan on adding
fluid forum
ill have to find them but they have like 8 new variations of the same map
and i think a new map that you have a chance to load into
gloomy cradle
Where you see that?
fluid forum
ive never seen most of those so i figured they were new
like the one with the halfed pyramid room ive never seen before
ooo imagine if there was decapitation chance
or just cutting limbs off like with barb
or fighter
gloomy cradle
Vorpal swords are nice until they're used against you
fluid forum
true :(
imagine being a rogue and you get ur left arm cut off and now you cant use dual wield
gloomy cradle
I just hope they make the game fun and not a TTK spreadsheet of +1% dmg vs +1% as
fluid forum
the game is fun im fiending for its return
like actual opiate addiction lmfao
the combat system does kinda suck atm cause most things have 1-2 different attacks
feels like im doing the same stuff over and over again
pure summit
feels like im doing the same stuff over and over again
They could maybe add left click is left swipe atack, right click is right swipe. But I think they're going to leave the combat "flourish" and skill expression for later
gloomy cradle
They'll get there. Unlike Chivalry or Mordhau they have to make a magic system and monster AIs
pure summit
Double click for stab atack
gloomy cradle
oh shiiit I'll have to remember that
summer hearth
Smoke or dust grenades that shadow outline invis people
fluid forum
that sounds tight too
jus sum that makes invis a lil less busted
or like a glue and feathers thing
jk that jus sounded funny in my head
granite plinth
I think giving the rangers a small dash is gamechanging in pvp vs
stealth
fluid forum
you might be on to something
make a suggestion about that, it does well 100% of the time
gloomy cradle
But if you buff anything other than Rogues the discord hivemind will send you death threats
void jetty
Fortnite skins is good idea 
fluid forum
leave
void jetty
Kek
gloomy cradle
Battle Bus air drop into B1
gloomy cradle
lmao
fluid forum
i think the skeletons from last playtest were mid too lol
void jetty
On a more serious note, any real-money skins in the future that are cosmetic only? It's probably not a big studio and it'd be nice if they made extra money
gloomy cradle
They're fully funded
fluid forum
i mean yeah but theres also people who fund them rn without it costing anything
gloomy cradle
Up to v1.0 at least (iirc)
fluid forum
like through donations
dull glen
if they sell cosmetics there should be a client side turn off feature so I dont have to guess what armor the enemy has
dull glen
yes and since custom skins might also include some that provide an unintentional benefit as in the color makes you blend in better etc so being able to turn them off should be a possibility
fluid forum
yeah true, or dumb hitboxes, bunch of possibilities lol
dull glen
I doubt the hitboxes would change since it's just the player model hitbox, the gear would just be reskinned
fluid forum
i mean fair, i be thinking of AAA devs sometimes lmfaoo
ubisoft in specific cough cough rainbow
fiery ledge
some people would never buy the skin then, what if skins were turned off for HR?
i say this because if they lose funding post release
would suck
not that im worried about that
but more money for the game in my eyes = good time
dull glen
some people would never buy the skin then, what if skins were turned off for HR?
why would they not buy the skin? do they only buy skins for competitive benefit?
because if they do, fuck them
fiery ledge
Because people are petty and want others to engage in their mental stroke
dull glen
yeah well fuck those players I don't think that's a big enough demographic
fluid forum
i liked how last playtest the skeletons had debuffs
fiery ledge
The debuff that can be cleansed.
dull glen
if they have the option to buy something that looks nice and the people who dont care about it/don't want to engage in it can turn them off it's all good
fiery ledge
mmhm
fluid forum
i never got the skeleton so idk
fiery ledge
i bought everything
fluid forum
damn thats weird as shit
fiery ledge
my first pt
dull glen
The debuff that can be cleansed.
thats funny didn't know that
fluid forum
i only got the torch and the emotes
dull glen
I guess they coded it as a "buff" instead of a permanent passive
dull glen
haha
fluid forum
wait...
dull glen
I dont think they are
fluid forum
poison for rogue i think had the same effect
fluid forum
lmao im fiending for DaD
fiery ledge
and graysun just said that thing in chat a few minutes ago
fluid forum
yeah i saw my heart sunk lmaoooo
but i hear its supposed to come back during the steam next event on the 6th so cross ur fingers
fiery ledge
According to steam:
Nextfest Apps closed November 3rd 2022
Nextfest is Feb 6th 10AM PST
Steam Partner EULA says you cant promise anything you cant deliver
Due to not being steam, they cant say february 6th for sure
Graysun says that teaser thing this close to the final stretch
You can bet your ass its coming 95%
and
if you consider how far back they said exact dates on previous PTs
you can see the trend is looking up for us
fiery ledge
Aye, also ~ for more info, and not to be quoted or promised ~ but theres a qna with pestily and terrence, they talk about a possible paid EA in Q2 as something they wanted to do and FR as something they wanted for Q4
Considering their accuracy and aptitude, it feels realistic.
fluid forum
so maybe q2 and def q4?
fluid forum
okok
fiery ledge
they also said this pt wasnt even a focus
so, whether or not thats hype gen or reality
n/a
fluid forum
i could tell it was jus to get a playerbase going
fiery ledge
God I hope so. I'm not ready to wait another sixteen years for a game like this. Dark Messiah flopped hard for MP
fluid forum
yeah true
fiery ledge
Also, medeival slasher games dont usually do this well, i know thats not what this is in full respect; however, the learning curve and how much people like to boohoo...
fluid forum
and the steam next event is amazing to get there game under a wider spotlight
dull glen
Also, medeival slasher games dont usually do this well, i know thats not what th...
it's probably because it's not really a medieval slasher in the true sense of the genre, no advanced mechanics
most people don't want to play 2k+ hours to be able to compete in Mordhau
fiery ledge
After being fed the "we're not going to be like chivalry" line from Triternion on Mordhau, and seeing how FPS omnidirectional movement on the mouse (within reason) while being able to "drag your swing around", I'm waiting patiently on the rest of the combat system to be worked out
I have faith on just about everything else except this part
dull glen
it's very hard to do with the limitations of a mouse, keyboard and first person view
DaD needs something for more skill ceiling, but I don't think the right way is feints or full omnidirectional attack
fiery ledge
A lot of the people I've been seeing almost every day for the last ten years are coming to this game. They've already got plans to make guilds. This means they'll be bringing their stuff with them and teaching their friends. Yea its definitely not something that would of been easily discovered in this game if games like chiv and mordhau didnt exit but they do and so over the years the average player in mordhau is doing things that took chiv forever to figure out. If the HR lobbies and leaderboards and all that attract enough attention from the right or wrong kinds of people, idk, just hoping the rest of the toxicity from a very small scene doesnt pick up.
and theres still about 2-300 hardcore players across NA
and about the same in EU
thats more than enough to get people caught up on how to be FPV sweats
if they keep these maps tight
I think we'll be countered for the most part
dull glen
also countered by a nice fireball or arrow to the face
melee is just a bit boring currently with it being a dps race
fiery ledge
If you're still catching missiles that much as a skilled melee combatant with time in mord and chiv...
you suck
although my feet are feeling toasty
at the thought of fireballs
dull glen
the melee player has to push a ranger most of the time and they can trap the doors to give more time, it's not that easy to avoid hits with how narrow the space is
fiery ledge
I thoroughly disagree but thats just bigoted by experience.
And with shield you dont need to actively block
just pick your aot and vectors, feel the river, etc etc
dull glen
I wish I met decent melee players these last playtests but they've been very few
fiery ledge
In all reality, the only thing mord and chiv have really done for me in this game is help me dodge arrows. The combat system is obviously still in its infancy.
The rogue crouch spam animation and blending from crouch to stand was a little obvious about that much among other things
I found good melee in NAE HR
But was running into EU players I think
dull glen
I hope down the line they add a place you can duel in
iron fractal
because if they do, fuck them
i never buy skins unless theres an edge to combat or some benefit. i just dont care using money for just cosmetic purposes.
and even if there is a benefit it has to be something significant for me to use money on them.
dull glen
i never buy skins unless theres an edge to combat or some benefit. i just dont ...
that's why it would be better if the game was buy to play
iron fractal
100%. f2p attracts bullshit and problems.
elfin vigil
Emotes with no purpose other than moving your character or making him say things + pay2toplay = best game moneitzation
graceful frost
Yeah as much as I like f2p I would rather pay money especially for stuff like unlock able cosmetics similar to the current system cause I would prolly spend more than the game costs otherwise
And it gets rid of a lot of other problems
upbeat pewter
b2p+cosmetics is ideal really
somber wind
100%, it helps deal with people who should be banned if it's b2p as well.
gloomy cradle
Yeah paywall will keep out unsavory types too. But I heard they were looking at Dead By Daylight as financial model.
And dear god, please no
I'd pay $40 for the game. But not $20 for the game and then $10 for the Paladin class and then $10 for the Frozen Castle map with the Dragon boss
upbeat pewter
im not sure they'll charge for classes/maps. that would be a bit much. the dev team was apparently made specifically because they all hated predatory payment models (whether thats actually true or not, unsure, but thats what they said)
might charge for map expansion packs later, though, which i think is fine.
gloomy cradle
yeah maybe. Maps in this game are definitely worth more than maps in DBD
distant night
Since ironmace is going for an oldschool ethical way of making games it's unlikely there's gonna be those crazy paywalls per character like for honor or something
I just really hope we dont see random bunny hats and things completely outside of the style of the game as cosmetics just for the money, as many games do
upbeat pewter
as long as they are class locked, i dont mind them
people can look like idiots if they want, as long as i can tell what class they are playing.
gloomy cradle
inb4 Master Chief running around with wizard staff
upbeat pewter
as long as master chief is wizard only xD
low flare
@scarlet moat This was already buffed in the last days of the playtest, dont remember the exact values but I know they were worth it to take.
#d-and-d-suggestions message
upbeat pewter
how much were they actually buffed by?
because 1.5% to 3% still wouldnt really be worth it
and lol at someone suggesting to remove high roller
low flare
I dont remember exactly but I know spell capacity was rolling up to 10% and I think damage was up to 5% not 100% sure on the damage percent
If it scales with bonus damage 5% is good, otherwise its still not good unless you are using high single shot damage
upbeat pewter
5% is not bad. maybe servicable for blues.
it likely needs to average to around the same damage on midrange as +damage
which would be.. 30-40?
taking 40, that would be +2 at 5%, which is what blues give, and 2.5% at green?
worse on daggers, better on 2h
fair trail
Hey @upbeat pewter care to discuss the RMT point?
upbeat pewter
people RWTing anyways is not a good justification to allow it
fair trail
yeah but can you think of any way to stop it that isn't a bad idea
and yeah sure it is
if people are always going to do it then you might as well let them
upbeat pewter
banning it may not stop it, but it definitely slows it down a lot.
not sure why you'd be for it, other than wanting to do it yourself
fair trail
Oh yeah i'd totally do it, if someone offers me money for in game gold im selling it right there and then
upbeat pewter
and that encourages botting, hacking, cheating, ect all in an attempt to make money from the game, which is bad for literally everyone else.
fair trail
and banning won't stop it, and diverts resources from actual areas that matter, like cheaters
fair trail
and that encourages botting, hacking, cheating, ect all in an attempt to make mo...
look at tarkov
upbeat pewter
what about it?
fair trail
when you ban rmt it just makes the rmt goods worth more
changed the price of a ledx to double
and then even more cheaters appeared
upbeat pewter
/doubt without direct proof that its actually increasing cheating.
because logically, thats not true. if you allow it, people will cheat more.
cheating more = more money
why have the game cost anything at all, its just the price of business
fair trail
the wipe where they removed the ability to bring in more than like 1 bitcoin turned the game into a hackfest
upbeat pewter
likely due to other reasons.
fair trail
but if you ban them they're just going to buy another account and cheat more because it pays so much
upbeat pewter
but again, im not accepting your word that thats the case without proof
fair trail
fair enough you don't have to
also
when you implement RMT denial ideas it becomes worse for the players because of the way people need to hack
what would you suggest as a good way to stop people RMTing that doesn't impact a normal player
upbeat pewter
yeah, its just not logical to accept it, and if you're fighting for something that benefits you, especially something thats already pretty shady, you're likely going to lie as much as you need to, in order to get it going.
i dont care about RWT, that itself has nothing to do with this. its the fact that it encourages cheating/botting in order to make money.
fair trail
okay but where's the solution that doesn't encourage cheating
it must be said that this game actually has a trading guild so won't be as terrible as tarkov for RMT
upbeat pewter
the solution is to not allow RWT.
upbeat pewter
?
fair trail
like if you ban it you then need to catch people
upbeat pewter
you dont allow it. you ban people that do it.
fair trail
how do you do that
upbeat pewter
thats a classic developer problem. dont ask me how they do it. they'll never stop it completely, but they dont need to.
and you're going in circles, its tiring
fair trail
I'm really not going in circles
im just asking for like a decent argument on how they could stop RMT and not cause the same problems other games have had
and yeah I'd RMT a little bit but my main concern is I'm genuinely worried about the game because the RMT ban really ruined tarkov for me
upbeat pewter
if not being able to buy gold ruined the game for you, then you probably play games for the wrong reasons.
upbeat pewter
or the other way round, it doesnt matter.
this isnt a black and white world. blocking as much RWT as they can is better than allowing it.
fair trail
It's going to be even worse with dark and darker than tarkov because of the trade guild
catching RMT people instead of trying to catch cheaters is a problem
upbeat pewter
ill be honest, im not bothering with this conversation anymore.
because it doesnt really feel like one
fair trail
i agree
white cliff
The rational that other games haven’t figured out a way to handle it; therefore the solution is to allow it and to actually take money from a practice that destroys games seems not only counterintuitive but an aggressive and scummy business practice that spits in the face of legitimate players.
Who cares if it allows for Chinese gold farmers to have a job, it destroys the integrity of the game itself.
@fair trail
opaque slate
ong
fair trail
The rational that other games haven’t figured out a way to handle it; therefore ...
yeah the rational solution when noone can provide a good solution is to not do anything
it doesn't destroy games at all
there's no online game you play that people don't rmt in
low flare
it doesn't destroy games at all
It literally does ruin games, first example I can think of is lost ark where there are guilds filled with people that rmt and are way higher lvl than anyone can get legit even by purchasing gold through the in-game store which ruins the GvG and makes it a who can rmt more wins
white cliff
there's no online game you play that people don't rmt in
There’s several thousand online games without rmt???
ionic mango
almost all the games i play tbh, harder to name games where there is rmt
white cliff
And it absolutely destroys integrity if I have to actually play, experience the game, and grind for my gear. While someone guy buy unlimited gear using money and have an advantage over me
fair trail
WOW has an actual working fix for RMT btw and I do think that's the best (and only half decent) way to go about it
upbeat pewter
this guy doesnt really want to listen to any sort of reason, and rebutts with statements without proof to back it up
fair trail
Literally have given proof and statements to back it up lol
ionic mango
Isnt WOW's way to deal with it banning the people involved?
upbeat pewter
wheres the proof? your word isnt proof
white cliff
The statement wow has a working fix, isn’t an explanation on how they handled it.
fair trail
actually yes it is
ionic mango
oh u mean official rmt gotcha
fair trail
yeah i mean it's going to happen anyway
upbeat pewter
no, its not. it also doesnt come with rational behind their decision, and the impact it caused
low flare
fix = doing it officialy lol
fair trail
let it happen well
upbeat pewter
WoW's decision was mostly due to wanting the money themselves.
low flare
that's what lost ark did the same thing and there is still rmt
fair trail
literally noone has even given a single suggestion lmao that has actually been useful here
"ban it"
ok cool
they do it anyway
fair copper
and yeah I'd RMT a little bit but my main concern is I'm genuinely worried about...
Whats RMT
upbeat pewter
we dont need to give a solution though. you need to back up why RWT is good.
fiery ledge
Real Money Transaction
fair trail
Real money trading
white cliff
Real money transaction.
fiery ledge
Your money for some in game item of some kind
upbeat pewter
we dont need to back up why the current situation can be changed otherwise.
fair copper
You really buying gold?
fiery ledge
from an outside source
upbeat pewter
the guy wants to sell gold in game
low flare
literally noone has even given a single suggestion lmao that has actually been u...
murder is banned people still do it, lets just encourage it and the problem will go away
white cliff
The rational that other games haven’t figured out a way to handle it; therefore the solution is to allow it and to actually take money from a practice that destroys games seems not only counterintuitive but an aggressive and scummy business practice that spits in the face of legitimate players.
fair trail
actual braindead response
fair trail
The rational that other games haven’t figured out a way to handle it; therefore ...
yeah when games get worse when people try to stop it they should actually not do that
white cliff
Let’s allow them to ruin the game with RMT is a brain dead response.
upbeat pewter
its not at all, though. thats effectively your justification, in a much worse scenario
but the point is the same
fair trail
completely reasonable
RMT doesn't ruin the game
weh my lost ark guild isn't big enough
lol
upbeat pewter
ive given you plenty of reasons why it does, though.
low flare
weh my lost ark guild isn't big enough
bruh
fair copper
Maybe you shouldn’t RTM if it will cause you to lose your accounts
white cliff
A player can buy, what I have to spend hours grinding for is an issue. It’s a game built around loot risk, this is not an mmo.
fair copper
How much you spend
ionic mango
Rmt is literally banned in wow @fair trail
upbeat pewter
imo, the ONLY good thing being officially buying/selling gold in game is sub, and thats VERY hazy
and not even strictly a good idea
fiery ledge
They're talking about doing seasonal whipes. Try to shape the conversation and the fix around this concept since you know part of the direction they're going in.
pliant halo
How will rmt ruin DaD in it's current state? I don't get it.
fair trail
it wont
fair copper
#d-and-d-suggestions message my suggestion has no flaws in any way
low flare
How will rmt ruin DaD in it's current state? I don't get it.
people who pay will have the best gear in the game in 5 min while legit players grind for weeks or longer for the same gear
ionic mango
@fair trail read the first line, "You are not allowed to buy or sell WOW items or services for real money"
you good bro?
upbeat pewter
How will rmt ruin DaD in it's current state? I don't get it.
RMT encourages cheating to gain gold, to sell said gold
ionic mango
you can do it for gold, not real life money
fair copper
Its about sending a message. We can take life and give it back, just to take it back!
fair trail
<@251079943243431936> read the first line, "You are not allowed to buy or sell ...
no reading comprehension? You trade the gold FOR real life money
pliant halo
people who pay will have the best gear in the game in 5 min while legit players ...
So what? They are as mortal as everyone else is. You can loot from chests btw
low flare
Im losing braincells
pliant halo
RMT encourages cheating to gain gold, to sell said gold
Playing the game encourages cheating
fair trail
you can do it for gold, not real life money
you buy 200k gold for £20 and you sell it back for the same
upbeat pewter
Playing the game encourages cheating
compared to normal playing, its more encouraged with RMT in the mix.
fair trail
also it's not like the gear appears out of nowhere
literally someone else is just the person who has the gear
that's it
upbeat pewter
theres a different motivation than winning.
pliant halo
compared to normal playing, its more encouraged with RMT in the mix.
Than suggest to make a better anti cheat lol. Also why "official" rmt won't encourage it lol?
fair trail
but focus on anti cheat and banning cheaters
opaque shore
We can tell this isn't going anywhere, I think It's the perfect time to change topic
fair trail
if you ban rmt it's ONLY the cheaters who will do it anyway
low flare
How is it even a conversation whether or not RMT is a bad thing,
fair trail
because they're already getting banned
upbeat pewter
How is it even a conversation whether or not RMT is a bad thing,
i know, right?
white cliff
How is it even a conversation whether or not RMT is a bad thing,
Absolutely crazy.
fair trail
because your opinion isn't universal and things are nuanced?
pliant halo
How is it even a conversation whether or not RMT is a bad thing,
It's not about being right but about promoting it as the guy suggests
fair trail
mfs when a different opinion appears
fair copper
We can tell this isn't going anywhere, I think It's the perfect time to change t...
Can we talk about how cool and funny my idea is?! #d-and-d-suggestions message:FloorSpikes_st:
fiery ledge
Did Blizzard ever state why they chose to get involved in RMT?
opaque shore
because your opinion isn't universal and things are nuanced?
Let's drop this topic, you're causing trouble 🙂
fiery ledge
I think thats an important question to ask
low flare
Can we talk about how cool and funny my idea is?! https://discord.com/channels/9...
I want to do that but it would probably be very unfun for the person being revived
opaque shore
Can we talk about how cool and funny my idea is?! https://discord.com/channels/9...
That has to be one of the worst suggestions I've read
fair trail
Dropping the topic because Warden said so. Still think it's important though.
white cliff
That has to be one of the worst suggestions I've read
I beg to differ.
fair copper
That has to be one of the worst suggestions I've read
Wow Nessi, that means a lot! Thank you 
upbeat pewter
i honestly wouldnt mind clerics being able to revive 'enemies'
not to rekill them (that should give no stats), but because it allows clerics to group with 'enemies'
white cliff
Cleric spells targeting corpses, mobs, corpses of mobs, is the worst.
upbeat pewter
should require an alt click
opaque shore
not to rekill them (that should give no stats), but because it allows clerics to...
One of the biggest flaws here is that users would probably most likely have already left
low flare
It would definitely create some kill farms with a bunch of campfires for the leaderboards and that ^
fair copper
I like missing my spells and having a panic attack while healing my teammates
upbeat pewter
One of the biggest flaws here is that users would probably most likely have alre...
im talking about people that are already grouping together using voip
as in, met in the dungeon
using in game voip to group
white cliff
Oh yeah I can’t wait for six man teams.
fair copper
But enemy voip is lamesauce
opaque shore
I played with one user from random LFG and I revived them after they died, they had ragequit the game so their revived body just stood there on the altar to die to the swarm
pliant halo
using in game voip to group
Voip is bad too btw
low flare
Is teaming considered bannable?
upbeat pewter
i cant imagine 6 man teams would be common. more likely solos grouping together
fair copper
I don’t wanna hear a kid screaming in the background and some guy blaring music while stabbing me in the back
white cliff
I mean just mute it.
upbeat pewter
voip was confirmed a while ago. it needs a mute button though
opaque shore
Is teaming considered bannable?
No, as It shouldn't be in my opinion I don't think
upbeat pewter
imo attempting to create a 6man group before the dungeon starts should be a warning->ban
low flare
No, as It shouldn't be in my opinion I don't think
I agree, I want to run into a 6-man team and shank them all in the back
upbeat pewter
but organically grouping is awesome
opaque shore
but organically grouping is awesome
True
low flare
people will dominate whole lobbies with teaming
Ill stop them
opaque shore
2 teams grouping up is a no-no
pliant halo
imo attempting to create a 6man group before the dungeon starts should be a warn...
Who will moderate it? You? That's why voip is cancer
fair copper
people will dominate whole lobbies with teaming
I will agree on priest on this one
fair trail
every team gangster until you have to 1 on 6
fair copper
2 teams grouping up is a no-no
Like 3v3? Or 3v1
upbeat pewter
Who will moderate it? You? That's why voip is cancer
voip is confirmed. you can moderate it yourself if you can mute people. easy.
thats all it needs. a mute button to mute people that you dont want to hear
opaque shore
Like 3v3? Or 3v1
2 teams of 3 grouping up
fair copper
How will you mute people though. Thats the true question.
fair trail
How are you expected to mute enemy teams lol
fair copper
In line of sight
white cliff
I’m assuming there’s a toggle voip button.
ionic mango
either you hear all or you hear none is my guess
upbeat pewter
no idea how they'd handle mutes.
fair copper
either you hear all or you hear none is my guess
Thats the best option. One bad apple ruins the batch
white cliff
And you can always adjust the volume level.
upbeat pewter
and likely, yeah. player by player mutes would be nice, but that would require a seperate window to mute
opaque shore
There should be 3 toggles:
- Mute all
- Mute everyone except my teammates
- Free range
fair copper
And you don’t wanna separate mute someone while your in a fight
white cliff
If someone’s talking and they come in proximity, it should be simple enough to press F1 and mute them.
fair copper
2 is the only option i want
fiery ledge
Cannot have the ability to mute players by an individual basis. Not only does it grant access to targeting playerUID from the client side but it tells you who you're targeting
fair copper
If someone’s talking and they come in proximity, it should be simple enough to p...
Do they have to talk or be in proximity
smoky yoke
I’m assuming there’s a toggle voip button.
like in other games, there is always that
also sdf mentioned that if they are going to implement it, there will be the possibility to turn it off
fair trail
I think VOIP is really fun but takes up a ton of moderation time
fiery ledge
half the fun of making games is deciding what sort of access to give your players so they're not running around one shotting people with torches
white cliff
Cannot have the ability to mute players by an individual basis. Not only does it...
Fair enough, but the chance of running into the same people is relatively low especially in normals. And talking in VOIP isn’t required either. At that point you’ve already reveled yourself anyways.
white cliff
I think VOIP is really fun but takes up a ton of moderation time
Moderation in what capacity?
upbeat pewter
i imagine voip would also give away your location, and people could probably ambush you pretty easily.
fair trail
Moderation in what capacity?
if a fella yells slurs someone has to be in charge of making sure they don't
pliant halo
Anyone has link pointing that voip is confirmed?
long dawn
i imagine voip would also give away your location, and people could probably amb...
Dont talk in game for no reason
fair trail
i imagine voip would also give away your location, and people could probably amb...
yeah but obviously you wouldn't use it in that situation lol
upbeat pewter
Anyone has link pointing that voip is confirmed?
its in either the last QnA video, or the one before
white cliff
Anyone has link pointing that voip is confirmed?
It’s already confirmed just not a priority.
fair trail
it's going to be used purely to team or deceive
fiery ledge
Fair enough, but the chance of running into the same people is relatively low es...
My point has nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with client side permissions and what they can get away with. The objective sometimes of the dev to stop the players from having access to cheats is to hide as much functionality behind doors as possible as well as say something like "being able to see enemy health bars", it breaks the game immersion as you shouldn't have access to enemy player names ~ see changes like not being able to see people killed in HR Lobbies etc etc or how it might effect rogues.
opaque shore
Anyone has link pointing that voip is confirmed?
I think that's on #dev-qna-archives
white cliff
My point has nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with client sid...
I mean your point had to do with some of that, I just didn’t address one of your points? I work on the art side of development so, I’m not quite sure how giving the players access to names gives cheaters a way to use functional cheats through specifically this system? Also it’s a game with flying skeletons? I think we can put aside the words realism and immersion for the sake of having functional voice systems with mute options.
upbeat pewter
people can already see your name in pre-game. not sure why thats even important
fiery ledge
Pestily QNA as well talks about VOIP @ 54:00
long dawn
I honestly can't wait for voip it will complete the fun factor. After that just give us more content and you got a 10/10 masterpiece
fair trail
game is already a 10/10 masterpiece
long dawn
Well for me voip is a selling point for me in any competitive/rpg game. But I do love this game as is
white cliff
game is already a 10/10 masterpiece
It’s definitely a great game, it still needs a lot of work though.
fiery ledge
I mean your point had to do with some of that, I just didn’t address one of your...
VOIP opens up more routes for ways to do malicious things to other people. I'm not saying anything about taking away VOIP any more than I am talking about realism either. The immersion side of that comment was aimed strictly at the health bar comment I made. Was an analogy. See to the rest of my replies about the fun of making the game is understanding when to hide certain functions from your players. I'm not saying there's not a fix. I just think players should have as little access to functionality as possible.
upbeat pewter
its an amazing start, and has more potential than almost every game ive seen so far
fiery ledge
Still get your VOIP, just dont get the ability to target their UID with commands.
fiery ledge
bruh
The mute will run a command that targets a string of data
The maliciousness I'm talking about
Is what they could do with that functionality
I could care less about the mic spam
Its what they can do outside of VOIP related stuff because of extra functionality
upbeat pewter
like what... exactly?
fiery ledge
Familiar with ARMA 2?
upbeat pewter
i know of it, and how it plays.
fiery ledge
Skies the limit, I dont know how they're doing their code, I'm not saying take away VOIP, just to be careful about Individual Based Commands and how much more freedom players have over other players in terms of executables they can run
upbeat pewter
so, you're assumption is 'the devs might be bad at their job' so dont do it?
fiery ledge
Back in ye' olde arma 2 days, pretty much anyone could spawn in anything at any given time, force server resets, and so on and on
jfc
you just cant read
white cliff
VOIP opens up more routes for ways to do malicious things to other people. I'm n...
Fair enough, I just think sacrificing part of that immersion is fine for having functional mute buttons. I think there’s a lot of UI that’s already not hidden, so what’s a tiny bit more. Though if you could explain the malicious things you could do through open voice, that includes names that would be helpful. Again, artist brain doesn’t understand dev brain.
white cliff
You need to stop getting so angry at people discussing things with you my guy.
long dawn
So turning off player volume puts me at a risk.... doubt it. HIGHLY!!
fiery ledge
How many times do I have to repeat myself before it becomes rude?
I can sit here and tell you one thing and you constantly assume your own emotions over me like you were doing the other day
stfu
white cliff
Yeah, you got muted not me.
ionic mango
Yall are incapable of reading for this one ahaha
white cliff
I’m not the one with anger issues.
fiery ledge
I literally spelt it out for you in plain english
fair copper
Can someone make a new suggestion. I hate looking at mine ngl
long dawn
It's just becoming annoying I'll just use the block function. Hope I dont get hacked lmao
low flare
voip may give hackers easy tools to do bad hacker things
fiery ledge
I’m not the one with anger issues.
No, your issues are worse, high roading others on a discord server because you can't comprehend simple english.
white cliff
When we reach a fundamental disagreement you’re solution is just to get angry like a little kid.
You even ran to my Dms the other day.
fiery ledge
Has nothing to do with disagreeing
white cliff
Throwing a tantrum.
ionic mango
voip may give hackers easy tools to do bad hacker things
simply put
white cliff
Act like an adult man Jesus.
low flare
ionic mango
is his "tantrum" coming from saying "jfc" or did i miss smth???
cause the whole conversation seemed tame af to me
fiery ledge
it still is
coral wraith
i just want quests, continue gents
ionic mango
dont know where the tantrum and little kid argumetns are coming from
hes actually trying to explain his argument really well
low flare
🫳
🍿
white cliff
is his "tantrum" coming from saying "jfc" or did i miss smth???
Telling me to stfu, and I can’t read when we’re having a conversation? Instead of having said conversation.
fiery ledge
Literally arguing on behalf of them to make sure they get the best version of the function they want
white cliff
Keep in mind this guy got muted the other day for cussing people out.
ionic mango
missed the stfu
white cliff
Then proceeded to go into my dms and continuing doing so.
fiery ledge
Bring it up again at your own risk.
white cliff
All upon a disagreement, when I said no that’s a bad idea.
fiery ledge
Twist it some more as well.
white cliff
I mean it’ll lead to you getting removed again so. Feel free to continue your outburst.
knotty tulip
🫃
ionic mango
his argument is pretty good tho, hyped for voip, not very hyped for individual mutes giving player side access to palyerUID
cause it will create a million doors for cheaters
white cliff
Wasn’t familiar, hence why I was asking for an explanation.
ionic mango
basically bunch of wall hacks and health bar hacks if i had to take a wild guess
white cliff
What proceeded this was a solid hour of discussion before he blew up. Which is more than I could say for last time.
fiery ledge
Well, more worrisome is the ability to target the information you're sending out and receiving
coral wraith
so voip is confirmed-?
upbeat pewter
yes, voip is confirmed
coral wraith
nicee
fiery ledge
Might give them a way to access the Database structures for the items that are most likely hidden behind the steamAPI keys
if you saw whats been happening in the illegal server, they cant get the game to stand
They have most of it, they just dont have the data
low flare
so voip is confirmed-?
Its confirmed they want to try it out not 100% gonna be permanent
pliant halo
yes, voip is confirmed
No source as of yet. What I found only says "not in priority"
upbeat pewter
someone told you exactly where it was
coral wraith
Its confirmed they want to try it out not 100% gonna be permanent
I think it adds a lot to games, however always adds toxicity problems
ionic mango
i find it hard imaginign they will "try it out" and then take it out if it doesnt work, people would get mad and defensive
fiery ledge
and for those who arent aware, there was already an issue with "instance edited items" and causing 1 shots on players with torches
pliant halo
someone told you exactly where it was
What? In q-and-a? Ahahaha man, I looked up and it's a mess.
white cliff
Yeah, I’ve seen the updates. Though just a heads up the mods will ban you for talking about that private instance.
upbeat pewter
not my fault you cant, or are too lazy to find it
long dawn
During the pestily interview the DEV said voip was moved to the top of the list
white cliff
Just brings more attention to it.
fiery ledge
Bet you didnt know SDF reached out to that server owner and said he can continue what he's doing
pliant halo
not my fault you cant, or are too lazy to find it
No, it's you who has no proofs that it is confirmed and yet you misinform others
white cliff
I did not.
fiery ledge
They're not going to beat the steamapi key encrypting
I sat and talked to them
They dont have the talent
white cliff
I would say, good honestly.
fiery ledge
not that it matters anyways, this close to a new update
they'll be bricked and set back to sq 0
long dawn
Doubt it
white cliff
Sure, I think it matters in the long run because it’s data theft.
upbeat pewter
No, it's you who has no proofs that it is confirmed and yet you misinform others
oh, come on, dont be childish. im not wasting my time looking for something you can already find relatively easily.
especially after being told what to look for, and the time in video
fiery ledge
Sure, I think it matters in the long run because it’s data theft.
Not enough to SDF though. Which points back to that other conversation from earlier about Blizzard getting involved in RMT.
white cliff
No, it's you who has no proofs that it is confirmed and yet you misinform others
It’s commonly talked about, and confirmed. What you’re asking is to do is go through hundreds of hours of QnAs for a time stamp.
fiery ledge
So much room for speculation
pliant halo
It’s commonly talked about, and confirmed. What you’re asking is to do is go thr...
Because what they said is that it's not in the priority
long dawn
No, it's you who has no proofs that it is confirmed and yet you misinform others
During Pestilys interview with the lead dev it was stated that its moved near the top of priority
white cliff
Not enough to SDF though. Which points back to that other conversation from earl...
That was actually a conversation I would want to continue; RMT.
But it was shutdown.
pliant halo
During Pestilys interview with the lead dev it was stated that its moved near th...
Where can I find it?
fiery ledge
That was actually a conversation I would want to continue; RMT.
tbf I think the guy who started it, though the points werent the best, he was 200% genuine
white cliff
Super important honestly.
long dawn
YouTube Pestily
white cliff
No no I agree he was genuine.
fiery ledge
i wanted the rest of that conversation so bad
white cliff
He proposed a solid problem.
fair trail
I am genuine
white cliff
One that, games haven’t been able to fix.
fair trail
heelo
fiery ledge
brunch this sunday?
fair trail
obvs
fair trail
💅
fiery ledge
brb, switching computers so i can work
we should have that talk
when i get back now that we're all calmed down
not that we were ever
MAD
long dawn
I mean if they aren't worried about class balance ATM I doubt we will get voip until release
fiery ledge
voip is actually pretty easy to set up
the fact that they didnt do it along side the foot steps attenuation
was kind of funny to me
low flare
they aren't completely ignoring class balance its just not high prio
fiery ledge
but they have a diff design focus so im just a pos who needs to stfu
low flare
Whatever "design focus" they have seems to be working great so far
long dawn
they aren't completely ignoring class balance its just not high prio
Well yeah they are doing small tweaks but nothing full on. Probably because they haven't decided on the full class list
ionic mango
but they have a diff design focus so im just a pos who needs to stfu
so true, tell them bestie 👏 👏
long dawn
But who knows?
white cliff
voip is actually pretty easy to set up
I thought the same thing about procedural models, it’s too bad a Korean work visa is extremely hard to obtain.
low flare
Well yeah they are doing small tweaks but nothing full on. Probably because they...
Dont remember where but they gave a lot of hints on the classes they have planned and iirc it was like 6 more classes
long dawn
I dont have to much problem with class balance. I still feel like it take more skill than just my class OP
white cliff
Not that the game needs them, they just weren’t familiar with them enough to make an attempt.
long dawn
Dont remember where but they gave a lot of hints on the classes they have planne...
I really want to see who make it in. Also if the races get implemented
fiery ledge
ive been messing with procedural dungeon gen splines and the stem sound system on ue, wondering how they're going to do voip, will it cast through walls, will it have a trace channel to follow
should voip cast through walls?
low flare
I really want to see who make it in. Also if the races get implemented
Monk, druid, bard are all basically confirmed prob more that I dont remember
white cliff
I wish I knew more C++.
fiery ledge
i feel like it should be per instance based
white cliff
Instance based.
fiery ledge
like, if the wall casts into an open area via a window, it should be okay
coral wraith
ive been messing with procedural dungeon gen splines and the stem sound system o...
most using the steam audio sdk use proximity voip ala the cycle frontier
white cliff
I don’t know if we should be basing anything off cycle frontier but fair.
That game burned out so incredibly fast.
coral wraith
its just the most simple implementation, as another said anything else becomes.. a bit much
long dawn
Monk, druid, bard are all basically confirmed prob more that I dont remember
I really wish they were open to character customization I'd love to make a handsome wizard
ionic mango
I really wish they were open to character customization I'd love to make a hands...
truly living the roleplaying factor of it huh? :)
fiery ledge
That game burned out so incredibly fast.
I think he's just referring to asset reuse due to its effect on the heat of a baked file.
My current issue with VOIP is instance sound breaking at doors
Not that I'll have VOIP enabled but it'll be interesting to see its implement
long dawn
truly living the roleplaying factor of it huh? :)
Yeah it's going to be great. I name my characters after the King of the Hill cast so it would be cool if they looked the part
ionic mango
Yeah it's going to be great. I name my characters after the King of the Hill cas...
i meant roleplaying being attractive :3
long dawn
That too
fiery ledge
Did you guys see that message from graysun yesterday?
long dawn
No
ionic mango
elaborate
fiery ledge
something about a baller teaser possibly, very soon
"yes maybe a very cool teaser soon :)"
1am pst
ionic mango
today?
fiery ledge
today
ionic mango
damn
fiery ledge
how long has it been since anyone has seen a release go this well x)
just on the stability side of it
ionic mango
cant remember any
long dawn
I cant wait for Dark and Darker 2
fair copper
Dark and darker 3
keen idol
#d-and-d-suggestions message I made a post about my way to trap a chest and was wondering if people think there is a skillful enough way to trap a chest that it would be acceptable I like my mimic idea as it’s load and not to hard to go damage less
barren wing
It’s an interesting idea, but having a spell slot taken up by a “mimic trap” spell might stink. I haven’t tried wizard so idk. People are probably downvoting your post because it’s hard to understand. Took a couple times for me to get it.
@keen idol
mossy ruin
just on the stability side of it
Lets wait till release to even have this make sense. But yeah the game runs well on lots of systems already. But they really get away with murder with their dungeon map and the simplicity of graphics. New map, more people, in a forest next playtest
white cliff
I think the limited storage is intentional and there shouldn’t be a way to increase it. The more gold and gear somebody’s able to keep the more kits they can buy/keep which increases snowball potential.
For a stash full wipe currently it’s around 4-5? Kits, depending on storage management. When you wipe you go down to gold, and start shelling out gold for kits, hypothetically you should empty out eventually but this varies based on skill. Increasing the amount you can hold really only helps those high end players snowball.
rancid pebble
people can already have multiple accounts, or characters, it would be more democratic to let everyone have access to more stuff
I kept my gold as rubysilver or canes, so they took up 2 rows max for 1-5k gold, and then you only really need one more kit
unless you die a lot... then storage doesnt even matter. Look at all the tarkov players that just jump in with nothing over and over
white cliff
Right but there’s absolutely advantage to being kitted in DnD.
mossy ruin
If people go through the hassle as you describe then w.e, let them have a bank character. In the future we could get a max trades per item or found in raid like tarkov
rancid pebble
I think the limited storage is intentional and there shouldn’t be a way to incre...
I understand some of your points, mainly the last line I have a gripe with. It could help low end players as well
There is an advantage, but another one of my points is than an average or good player just has to win like 10 in a row to be kitted
white cliff
Most low end players aren’t filling up their storage with gear that matters.
rancid pebble
and if you don't die you are kitted, regardless of storage
rancid pebble
Most low end players aren’t filling up their storage with gear that matters.
Which is why you pay gate it, once they get to be not low end players they will NEED storage for good loot
But if like you said they arent storing gear that matters, they can wait
white cliff
Let’s say the storage is double right? I’m running purp-orange kits. My chance of survival is way higher just due to how the game is, it’s a stat check game right. So with my higher survival chance I’m netting more gear and gold compared to somebody naked, who’s sinking 75g per run.
rancid pebble
'good' players, or rather, people with lots of hours in the game should be able to store more if they need, it doesn't seem any more op than buying new sets in the shop or trading with a friend from one of your other characters
white cliff
I’m snowballing faster, and harder due to my kits and can continue to afford to snowball.
Because of the extra storage.
rancid pebble
Let’s say the storage is double right? I’m running purp-orange kits. My chance o...
you dont gain much from fighting worse players though yknow
white cliff
No I gain gold.
rancid pebble
Like thats why most people only run into norms kitted when trying to 1v3 or kill people
white cliff
I gain things from pve.
rancid pebble
Gold doesnt matter much, most pros only store up to 2k
I kept it around 1000 because you may have to buy some gear from the trade channel every day or two, but still I am confused by you
To get geared, actually geared, you have to kill bosses or go to high roller
and in high roller if you are going against someone ungeared kinda their fault, but killing them gains you nothing. Only when you kill better geared players does it matter right?
barren wing
I think you’re undervaluing gold
white cliff
Extremely.
rancid pebble
Perhaps
rancid pebble
Most of the good players complained there was nothign to spend gold on
smoky yoke
gold in full release might be rare due to the fact loot will be rare as well
rancid pebble
gold in full release might be rare due to the fact loot will be rare as well
Loot being gear or sellables?
mossy ruin
SNS he is saying, he has MORE consecutive times he can die before he is empty. This means, with better skill, a larger bank has more sustainability because he isnt dying often with strong gear and skill to back it up. This furthers the gap until he is over capacity longer and at this point he HAS to make bank characters. A bigger stash kinda makes it more worth it.
smoky yoke
the progression in the playtests it is always fast for a reason
mossy ruin
A small stash keeps you in check
rancid pebble
SNS he is saying, he has MORE consecutive times he can die before he is empty. T...
I understand that, but I am saying that most people just rebuy kits IF they happen to die, because good players often dont die, and if they do they lost their best stuff and usually only keep a BiS kit
smoky yoke
Loot being gear or sellables?
i'd say both
rancid pebble
A small stash keeps you in check
Personally I like a small stash, I just think the in betweens of casuals and tryhards would want more gear
white cliff
Doesn’t matter if it’s kits or gold. A larger storage exemplifies this problem.
rancid pebble
i'd say both
I hope they rework the sellables hard, its too easy to get like 100-200 gold per run, especially if you just instant blue out there and don't pvp
white cliff
From a design perspective you want to bridge that disparity.
You don’t want to create a bigger one.
rancid pebble
if they fix that, then gold will be fixed, economies are very hard irl and in games
mossy ruin
Yeah, but there will be days where u just die back to back, and those days you want to feel the dwindle as a aspect of the game
white cliff
I think you have a skewed perception on gold to be honest with you.
rancid pebble
If I died and hypothetically didn't have a kit or gold to rekitt, then just do like 3 normals and kill the lich
white cliff
75g gold sink isn’t a lot, and 200 gold per run isn’t either.
smoky yoke
for what we saw in the previous playtest, there were some empty slots under the inventory itself
there could be some bag system in future perhaps
and then the weight system could join as well i guess
rancid pebble
200 per run is a lot, I got 1k in an 50 minutes easily
smoky yoke
i think the weight would only impact what you have inside the bags
rancid pebble
for what we saw in the previous playtest, there were some empty slots under the ...
I hope they don't make it like tarkov. I startd watching it after dark and darker to see if it influenced this game
And the bag system in that game is not something that would be great here
white cliff
If I died and hypothetically didn't have a kit or gold to rekitt, then just do l...
Here’s the thing though, I’m not going to run out of kits with a bigger storage. The amount of times I can snowball is exponentially larger than somebody with no gear.
rancid pebble
At the most having a seperate storage for gold would be beneficial
white cliff
The disparity between skill levels becomes worse with a bigger storage.
smoky yoke
in the previous playtest #3
i wasn't even aware of those empty slots
because my gamma/brightness was very low
and i couldnt see them at first
rancid pebble
Here’s the thing though, I’m not going to run out of kits with a bigger storage....
Fair enough. It just seems interesting in my brain like if someone is good enough to get a bunch of kits but also dying enough to use them all. Gear fear and such PLUS they will have wipes
rancid pebble
in the previous playtest #3
i wasn't even aware of those empty slots
because m...
I saw it on a thread somewhere, never saw it in game either
mossy ruin
I havent felt good gear fear in forever
white cliff
Fair enough. It just seems interesting in my brain like if someone is good enoug...
I think bad strings of games happen, it’s more about the level of recovery someone might have. And what their snowballing gained them.
mossy ruin
I miss The Warz on release, shit had me shaking
rancid pebble
the only thing I stacked was pendants, which I think everyone did lol. Idk why because realistically its impossible for me to ever need 30 good pendants
that may just be the shiny greed part of my brain..
by the end of the playtest I had so many that I couldnt be bothered to sell and couldnt fathom vendor'ing
mossy ruin
Jewelry needed to be more rare yeah
rancid pebble
the rings were so much rarer
Idk if that is a fallacy since you need two per run, but I felt like I never had enough good ones
mossy ruin
i had enough of both plus goblin merchant
rancid pebble
gobling merchant ones were meh, i must hav had bad rng
mossy ruin
Idk if that is a fallacy since you need two per run, but I felt like I never had...
i think its exaggerated by the need for 2
barren wing
I think it was fairly rare. Most of the good jewelry I got were from other players I killed. Only problem was goblin merchant. Made it easy to stock up
mossy ruin
but they felt more rare yes
rancid pebble
i think its exaggerated by the need for 2
most likely, plus no one ever brought them when I killed them, unless they were really good geared 3 mans
mossy ruin
When i started high roller, they were on people
rancid pebble
I think it was fairly rare. Most of the good jewelry I got were from other playe...
thats how it tends to be. Survival of the fittest for loot, players pick up and keep and sift the loot so that the best loot tends to be form players, I like that natural feeling from games like this
barren wing
For sure
mossy ruin
thats how it tends to be. Survival of the fittest for loot, players pick up and ...
Kinda, depends what ur looking for tbh. Gear is rare enough its really just in trade, but yeah killing a player who actually picked up valueable items was nice. Lots of people seemed sorta lost sadly.
rancid pebble
I like trading in games, but this one takes a while. I hope some of the trading hall suggestions are considered
fiery ledge
You guys ever play Diablo 2? If yes, remember Item Editing?
Iirc it was called d2heroie
or something
I would imagine the trading system to resemble something like that
but indexed more towards something that'd look like
-Physical Damage Modifiers
•Strength
•Armor Pen+
•Armor Pen%
etc etc etc
to be able to filter by it at least
rancid pebble
I would have item type filters, or just control F
fiery ledge
- acting as the parent class and the • acting as the modifier display name
native cargo
@fair copper that would be funny but what if your teammate was dead on top of an enemy player lol, wouldn’t it just give you a harder time trying to revive your teammate and you end up accidentally wasting your revive on that enemy player
fair copper
<@164961912365383681> that would be funny but what if your teammate was dead on ...
yeah that is a issue...
smoky yoke
<@164961912365383681> that would be funny but what if your teammate was dead on ...
i wonder if you can res teammates even if they don't have a soul heart 
because if it does not, then you could remove the soul heart of the enemy player and will only find your teammate as target and then you can only res the one with the soul heart 🤔
lusty wren
yeah that is a issue...
Clerics already have the ability to revive.
fair copper
you missed the point of the suggestion
tender magnet
i wonder if you can res teammates even if they don't have a soul heart <:SoulHea...
Can't remove non-teamates heartss
smoky yoke
Can't remove non-teamates heartss
I was telling them about a possible solution for their suggestion...
tender magnet
My bad, I didn't read far enough, sorry
smoky yoke
no worries 👍
fiery ledge
You can actually remove non teammate hearts.
Requires full team kill.
Unsure if its spectator or per last kill basis; however, it was how we checked if a team was full dead last PT
fluid forum
Unsure if its spectator or per last kill basis; however, it was how we checked i...
hes right it was my main way to tell if there was a rogue hanging out somewhere, or if someone in there team runs off
fiery ledge
Also unsure if this means you can be revived either for anyone who would ask after.
In theory craft it would be if: Full team dead and all remained in spectate, it could be possible to restore player to actor
fluid forum
In theory craft it would be if: Full team dead and all remained in spectate, it ...
imagine if you could recruit someone against their will LMFAOO
fiery ledge
imagine if you could recruit someone against their will LMFAOO
Ever hear of DFSL?
fluid forum
i have not do tell
fiery ledge
I dont follow him on twitch, sort of casually stumbled across him on youtube, usually has admin powers and follows people around in fly/invis looking for gullible people to basically play stupid around or other sociopathic tropes.
But people get really triggered over nothing with him and its a super cut compilation of mental abuse in a light manner
fluid forum
that sounds funny as hell wtf
fiery ledge
quick, take it
fluid forum
thats true, i think it kills some games tho that dont use it right
vital fox
im just not going to turn off voip
fluid forum
like i think voip is the reason rust died
fluid forum
its playerbase is a shadow of its former self..
vital fox
yea haha i tried to play a few days ago and got door camped by racist 12 yr olds
pretty much sums up rust
fiery ledge
Well, DaD wouldn't be community server based. They're doing it internally and that also creates a barrier against a particular style of behavior due to liability I'm guessing.
fluid forum
there ya go haha i tried to stream rust and almost got banned twice
fluid forum
yeah the community seems to be better than rust anyways haha
u ever been to the rust server? its a cesspool
fiery ledge
Reference report ID via session logins shared between users to filter out duplicates ~
And yeah, like 1.2k hours on ifn and vanilla
wouldnt know what its like but i know its a cult of personality across the servers
so i dont get close
They allow some slurs but not all the others, very weird environ.
fluid forum
swear everyone in that game has some sort of bpd
fiery ledge
Dialetheia is one hell of a word
fluid forum
but everyone in this community ive seen so far actually love the game they support
yeah it is lmaooo
fiery ledge
I think this game will do well against anti cheat.
The variables shouldn't be too complex and they're vets.
fluid forum
the gmod videos on dnsl goes crazyy
fiery ledge
hahaha you're still watching?
fluid forum
yes its actually funny as hell
fiery ledge
"fail rp!"
fluid forum
banned for minging
fiery ledge
This is a bit of a hot take but he's why I sort of like "some" naughty coders
fiery ledge
nope ~ searching now
fluid forum
and hes aussie!
fiery ledge
Just hit people and dont say anything
fluid forum
lmao
fluid forum
sht i lose
fiery ledge
fluid forum
idk i think you will like bub tho if you like dnsl
fiery ledge
I'm watching the gta mod meltdown rn
fluid forum
thats a good one
fluid forum
lmao older gmod videos are ur go to then
the mlp server one is funny as hell
"what are you making me do parkinsons for?"
fiery ledge
That would be very painful to process.
fluid forum
lmaooo
fiery ledge
I literally am having a hard time moving just thinking about it now.
was the person doing some sort of exercise
i cant imagine what they meant by parkinsons
fiery ledge
Ah
say no more
I have epilepsy, know the feeling
lolol
reminds me of this time my friend threw an electrified fly swatter at me
and i caught it by the net
fluid forum
oh ouch wtf
fluid forum
got him good
fluid forum
ive been stamped with hot metal by my friends before
fluid forum
it was consentual tho unfortunatley
fiery ledge
all the same
somber wind
I cant edit it for 6 hours but: #d-and-d-suggestions message
I want to mention that when I say Top 500 I mean Top 500 on Weekly Leaderboard only
not on Permanent
I might've been too vague and seemingly implied both
west cloak
You can boil your suggestion down to be impactfull on more players instead of just the top 500--
Make a points system where you meld gear into a pot. Certain points thresholds hit certain gear peices at the end of the week. Let's everyone participate and doesn't require the "top 500" to mindlessly grind for gear
Different point for different rarities and whatnot
merry crypt
Hey I was Wondering if you guys ever got asked to Remove the torch completely from the q,e slots and put it in a single button to use because I find it weird having to cycle through my q,e to use my torch. Last Test I only used my Q for my torch because it would give my position away if I was switching items. all in all it just feels like it should be its own button. Or have a 1-6 action bar slot.
agile condor
Don't know if I've seen that suggestion - personally I'm probably fine either way
clear fox
I would love it if the torch could be equiped in an open hand alongside a 1handed weapon
verbal marsh
we all know best build is zweihander build, there can be only one.
fiery ledge
All the weebs wishing it was an overhead so they can pretend to be guts
opaque slate
claymore where
finite tide
I can’t handle anymore poo weps
gloomy cradle
Better switch to wizard then. Don't think they'll be doing anything with weapons for awhile
finite tide
Too much poo
verbal marsh
They should add guts sword, but make it so it requires 50 str to wield, and when you wield it swings slower then war hammer.
neat dragon
dark and darksoulser
sturdy spear
#d-and-d-suggestions message
this doesn't sound too bad but i think the game is supposed to be about europeans in the medieval age so japanese stuff won't be added probably
neat dragon
I think they've said they're considering monk to be fair
sturdy spear
hmm
open ermine
I think they've said they're considering monk to be fair
yes they've mentioned monk in the last Q&A
verbal marsh
cleric is monk.