#suggestion-discussion

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upbeat pewter
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otherwise they could just be white/green anyways

visual goblet
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why not darknesse>

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if i may ask

iron fractal
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inspecting shouldnt exist in HR lobbies

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idgaf about normal

upbeat pewter
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he means party screen, so not in a lobby.

visual goblet
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indeed, i mean at the table of three party members

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but darknesse u said no before i asked šŸ˜›

upbeat pewter
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no i didnt. i looked immediately after you posted.

visual goblet
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i dont get it, but its alright, you do you, vote how you want

ionic mango
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It had no negatives when i voted tbf

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And i voted after u typed it here

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But downvoting for posting here soly is wack

upbeat pewter
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as i said, you asked here, so i downvoted. we can read the feed, you dont need to beg for upvotes

opal sparrow
ionic mango
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Hes bringing attention to it for the discussion is how i see it

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As in like "yo, new topic just dropped"

upbeat pewter
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if every tsuggestion did that, we wouldnt be able to talk here effectively.

ionic mango
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If everyone in the world was poor, everyone would be rich

gloomy cradle
verbal shoal
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Why me suggest get downvote? Me think its amazin

upbeat pewter
visual goblet
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i dont mind bringing all ideas to the table see what people are thinking

ionic mango
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@verbal shoal i like it, all forward finding rare pieces of gems and precious stones more worth than othees

ebon delta
gloomy cradle
verbal shoal
ionic mango
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Well same goes for all the voip peeps and everyone that ever suggested bard, if its a good idea, stolen or nah, more eyes on it is always positive

ebon delta
gloomy cradle
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So I guess I like the individual worth of treasure part of the idea. But I'm pretty sure Ironmace plans to do that eventually anyways

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I mean a gold chalice should be worth more than a gold ring. It's more gold

verbal shoal
ionic mango
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Id like to see rubies diamonds and sapphires not sell for the exact same or similar values

verbal shoal
iron fractal
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devs are not focusing irrelevant stuff like that yet, most likely things will change in the future.

gloomy cradle
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@verbal shoalAlright I change my vote. I judge you by the intention of your character, not by the letter of your word.

ebon delta
verbal shoal
ionic mango
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Damn, respectful agreement

iron fractal
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thats rare, you guys alright?

ebon delta
gloomy cradle
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I try to use the search engine, but it's no where near 100%. Pretty sure I saw some people reposting their own idea at times.

iron fractal
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nah that's all of us rn

upbeat pewter
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idk, im not bored. there are plenty of great games around

iron fractal
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im picky, there has been only a handful in 5+ years.

upbeat pewter
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there have been so many amazing games though

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im almost not thinking ill get to play a lot of dark and darker this time around, just due to how bloated this start of year is

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lucky its not against jedi survivor

iron fractal
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not for me unfortunately

upbeat pewter
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what games do you actually enjoy?

gloomy cradle
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@calm dove If you're trying for cosmetics on a 'naked' barbarian I think a cosmetic for the base 'naked' barbarian is a better route. If you're trying to get armor that's works for a perk that's only supposed to work when unarmored, I'm not a fan.

iron fractal
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mostly fps full loot survival (dayz), an old moba game (hon), mmorpgs if theyre well made pvpwise

upbeat pewter
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why didnt you try the other mobas?

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i found hon the worst one, personally.

iron fractal
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i did, plenty of times.

upbeat pewter
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theres definitely not much in the full loot fps genre though, mostly just EFT

iron fractal
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yeah that shit is in the trash bin for me

upbeat pewter
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why?

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EFT is actually the best in that genre imo

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its not great for me, because i cant aim well at all, but its pretty great

iron fractal
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i dont like the quests so i can barely buy anything. i like the first week or two of wipe but after that i always stop playing

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now you have to find everything as well, not into the looting either, unless its players i killed

upbeat pewter
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thats kind of my experience. id love to be able to use the AH, but im not skilled enough to really get that far

iron fractal
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ive got AH open really fast each wipe, sold all the scav stuff i get making millions. then buying a dope ass gun and modifying it to perfection just to use some dogshit ammo you can buy from the traders if i didnt find any

verbal shoal
# upbeat pewter what games do you actually enjoy?

I dont really enjoy games anymore like I used to as a kid... the closest to enjoyment was the first playthroughs of elder scrolls 4 and 5... Aside from this some rare but also only short-lived solo/coop experiences like dinkum

upbeat pewter
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apparently with the new wipe, they made better ammo much rarer, so that the worse ammo is somewhat meta now

iron fractal
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yeah, im just not interested in grinding those quests to unlock stuff. i just want to hop in a match and shoot people, not grind people with pistols/loot some specific spots/be forced into maps i dont like. the list is endless

upbeat pewter
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at least with the ah, you do have access to everything, mostly

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if you can even unlock it

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level 15 is such a slog

iron fractal
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sometimes we're the scum extract camping with my friends while getting wasted. good times, but nothing really to do with the game, its the company.

upbeat pewter
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yeah, fair enough

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sounds a bit like new world to me, i only swapped from crowfall because everyone else did

iron fractal
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cant buy anything top tier in ah anymore

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so you have to find the stuff. get keys, loot etc the boring stuff for me

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NW had a lot of potential. had.

upbeat pewter
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wow, really? that sucks

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and yeah, NW really ruined its potential.

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i much preferred crowfall

gloomy cradle
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suggestion: Change the name of the perk poisoned weapons to envenomed weapons. Poison is only when you eat something. Whaat Whaat Whaat

iron fractal
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havent tried it. went back to Ultima Online after a long time, it was fun for a bit

upbeat pewter
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crowfall's biggest mistake was launching right before new world

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it died later in the year

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had the best crafting system (well, ignoring ffxiv's) in mmorpgs.

iron fractal
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i liked NW's pvp and how the mechanics were. but still the only pvp in that game that exists is OPR and arenas which both are boring as fuck. if only they promoted/made outworld pvp active

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thats the most fun i had in that game, random fights and situations while leveling

upbeat pewter
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yeah. at the start, a high percentage of people were exploiting

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so wars were impossible, battlegrounds were terrible, and everything required so much grind.

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the openworld PvP was by far the best aspect

iron fractal
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yup. they shouldve made the pvp revolve around that

upbeat pewter
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they did!

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and then they changed everything

iron fractal
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grindy as fuck indeed, the gear score and crafting

upbeat pewter
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new guy was put in charge, and his exact opinion was to make the game as close to ESO as possible

iron fractal
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yeah i dont know too much pre launch, i played last beta before launch

upbeat pewter
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thats fair. thats pretty much the gist of it though. the devs took heavy influence from asmongold

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of all people

iron fractal
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rofl. dudes a 12 APM pve player, no wonder things went to shit.

upbeat pewter
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yeah, the story of a game that was going to be fantastic, before the lead was changed to someone who clearly had no idea what he was doing

iron fractal
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hence why ive stated multiple times here i hope devs dont take a look at that suggestion channel or any influencer too seriously as people are trying to push their own silly little ideas in to a game which is supposed to be a hardcore pvp looting game.

upbeat pewter
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it was supposed to be full openworld, and freeform basebuilding with full loot survival based PvP

iron fractal
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yeah i heard about that. too bad.

upbeat pewter
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yeah, exactly. players (and influencers) are amazing at identifying problems. but terrible at solving those problems

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i think the developers here know that. but cant ever be too sure

iron fractal
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its good theres a channel for kids to spew their ideas to though, just hope its a void no one ever enters.

upbeat pewter
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oh, its good for the devs to read. they definitely do.

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great for inspiration, but not much more than that

iron fractal
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would imagine someone filters out all the BS and gives a few decent ideas forward

upbeat pewter
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for sure. theres far too much garbage

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and troll suggestions

iron fractal
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yup

upbeat pewter
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as for other games though, yeah, you're pretty narrow focus. im betting theres a fair few games out there you'd enjoy, but its a large amount of effort to find them

iron fractal
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it is. hopefully this game won't go to shit and theres one to enjoy again for a while before hopping on to the old safe ones i enjoy

upbeat pewter
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agreed. hopefully get get 2 choices of sets of maps this test coming

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would do a lot to keep me interested for the whole week

iron fractal
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im not really expecting or hoping for anything yet, how it was last playtest was fine for me for now. much to learn still. i was just goofing around trying to learn pvp

upbeat pewter
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yeah, basically. talent trees, more spells and more variation overall is pretty needed.

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would give us a pretty strong picture of balance on release

iron fractal
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the trading would be amazing to have, buying through the chat was horrible. could easily spend an hour there and not get what you wanted. but doubt it will come anytime soon

upbeat pewter
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likely not. its not really important yet imo, as long as it is fixed.

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atm its just get +1-2 damage gear and play dagger

iron fractal
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having the +dmg gear demolished though

gloomy cradle
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I heard there were doing an AH and 'a goblin trader that shows up for limited time periods with valuable items for sale'

iron fractal
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didnt really try +att gear but id imagine its even better

upbeat pewter
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calculations on rogue. you can realistically one shot people with headshots with a few bits of +damage gear

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30 damage dagger, +1 damage on 9 slots for 39 damage
weak point + damage from stealth + backstab = 2.3 mod.
39*2.3=90 damage, non headshot.

iron fractal
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yeah i tried rogue at first and it melted players hard with some gear

upbeat pewter
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its pretty bs.

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but fun

iron fractal
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then tried fighter and ranger. gonna try wiz next playtest

upbeat pewter
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wizards is by far the most fun

iron fractal
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fun for the rogue yeah

upbeat pewter
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i recommend watching some streamers play wizard at high level first for ideas.

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they are pretty crazy

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stuff i wouldnt have thought of

iron fractal
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i did yeah, it doesnt seem as clumsy as i tried it for a round. gonna give it a go

upbeat pewter
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i didnt really try ignite dagger much last test. i really should have.

iron fractal
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what ive understood its good in the beginning but when you get some gear the spellbook is better. unless you want to play melee

upbeat pewter
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dagger+orb is just different to book.
book has highest speed, dagger+orb has higher damage multi

iron fractal
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ah, gotcha

upbeat pewter
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assuming its the same as last test obviously

iron fractal
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that ones pretty sick

upbeat pewter
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thats pretty crazy. he'd need to be in maxed gear for that

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vs a fighter, i found you needed to land 6 headshots with MM to kill someone

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6/12

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thats base gear though

iron fractal
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i bet most of the clips are against beginner players with shit gear that are out there, so things seem op

upbeat pewter
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absolutely

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he literally one hit a cleric lol

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id love replays to see how much hp players have

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add HP bars in there (replay only)

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this is actually in highroller too

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so id assume the enemies have some gear

iron fractal
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maybe from your situation highlights yeah but not overall replay where you'd see everything people did

upbeat pewter
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overall replay after your team is dead

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but i guess in highroller you'd want that post-game

iron fractal
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idk i felt like 50-80% were starter gear in HR, made it pretty disappointing to see that in the lobby

upbeat pewter
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my server had mostly geared p[layers

iron fractal
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inspecting shouldnt exist in HR lobbies either imo. and maybe make it cost more so people with starter gear wont take actual geared players spot in the lobby as much

upbeat pewter
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totally agree. everyone should appear in basic gear only in lobby.

iron fractal
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its fine seeing the classes but not what people are wearing/bring with them

upbeat pewter
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yeah, pretty much. people that see all basic will just nuke everyone because they die instantly

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but if they dont know, likely play much more conservatively

iron fractal
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yup, it'd be much more interesting not knowing whats ahead of you

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bumping it up to 150 or 200 gold would do the cut easy

upbeat pewter
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probably. also depends a lot on gold scaling later on. apparently we'll be earning a decent amount less.

iron fractal
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ah, thats good.

upbeat pewter
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but the feel of that much compared to the earning last test sounds about right. maybe even a little more

iron fractal
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a full loot round in normal (selling to vendors), whatever it normally was 200-300 should be enough to get rid of most of the nakeds in HR

upbeat pewter
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thats why i think it could even be more than that

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low enough that you can sustain in HR, but not sustain in normals

iron fractal
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yeah even better

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did you do a lot of the harder portals in normal/HR? i didnt get to experience them much. how was the loot there?

upbeat pewter
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i did them most of the time. id usually hand the loot to my partner so she could leave, and id go to b3.

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loot is better for sure, but the place is a lot more dangerous. you 'can' do it from most spawns in base gear with no upgrades, but some enemies will kill you, since they cant be reliably dodged

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its definitely worth going down

iron fractal
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i always felt like the time window was too short there. then again we were only a duo with shit gear and not a great pve comp to do them so we were slow

upbeat pewter
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it definitely was too short.

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yeah, i played almost exclusively duo as well

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the west side is harder than the east side, and south more than north.

iron fractal
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Dodge dogs and centaurs is what i heard from someone

upbeat pewter
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kill dogs before they reach you

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but yeah, basically. i havent really got the centaur attack pattern yet

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need a cleric to pocket me so i can see all its attacks

iron fractal
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all i know is you can dodge one of them by jumping

upbeat pewter
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lol interesting. ill have to watch some videos. been waiting till nearer to the test

iron fractal
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ill add you in discord if you're down to game some on playtest. ill have some friends who will play as well but most of them will be garbage so it'd be nice to have more actual competetive players to sometimes play with

rocky oar
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What are yall playing?

iron fractal
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right now a waiting game.

rocky oar
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Class

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For next alpha

iron fractal
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playtest yes

rocky oar
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...

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What class are you going to play in the next alpha?

iron fractal
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gonna try wiz most likely

upbeat pewter
iron fractal
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oof. well we can try if its playable or not if you're down. no can do if its not

rocky oar
iron fractal
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nah, just gonna enjoy the game. i dont give a shit about stats or 'fame'.

rocky oar
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Meh, you mentioned looking for competive players so I figured you be doing that

iron fractal
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trying to play well/competetive doesnt involve leaderboard for me. maybe if i show up there, cool, but most likely wont focus/change my gameplay to climb them

upbeat pewter
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Yeah, can give it a go maybe. Always keen to chat about stuff anyways.

rocky oar
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Different for me. I like farming the leader board. Shit is fun seeing you st the top. I also want the proof so I don't have dumb people in here going like, "Well, were you top 100 last alpha?!" Whenever an argument arrives about what is considered meta and balancing

iron fractal
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something for all of usšŸ‘

gloomy cradle
rocky oar
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Lol

thorn tree
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human characters are boring, furry playermodels are the natural progression

rocky oar
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Oh no

iron fractal
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here we go im out, peace

rocky oar
verbal shoal
thorn tree
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later

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i said it'd come sooner, but it isn't

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i lied

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Q_Q

gloomy cradle
rocky oar
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Lol

thorn tree
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my super awesome and cool webcomic that everyone loves

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that has one episode

rocky oar
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.-.

thorn tree
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:3

rocky oar
verbal shoal
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10 hours later...

thorn tree
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not yet :(

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it's just an artistic outlet, to be fair

elder heart
white cliff
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As much as furries at some point or another have paid rent and put food on my table through commission. Iā€™m still hesitant in allowing the spheres to bleed over between mediums. Though I suppose in DnD there are human animal hybrids so. Weā€™ll see I suppose.

thorn tree
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on the topic, my original phrasing was meant as a joke, but i am all for the addition of fantasy races as player customization options, yaknow?

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also, i'm not going to take critique from a one piece fan :T

white cliff
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I think people are super adversed to the word furry though. Because itā€™s often conflated with fetish. Suggesting specific DnD races would have been better for sure.

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Youā€™re not going to traction support using that word.

thorn tree
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that's fair, lol

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my brain is dying, give me a second

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okay so, i agree. i think that fantasy races are a good idea, but i think trying to suggest beyond the superficial level is basically worthless. plus, i was mainly joking with my original stuff, since i don't expect my sole take to be considered for anything :p

white cliff
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To be fair, based on your picture, art link, and name, my assumption is it wasnā€™t really a joke.

frosty creek
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upvote my suggest i made a lot of suggest for new races @thorn tree

thorn tree
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think half-joke

white cliff
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And Iā€™d assume thatā€™s what most people thought too.

thorn tree
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i don't mind

thorn tree
upbeat pewter
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i honestly think that until we see what races the devs already have planned, theres not much point suggesting more.

thorn tree
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i think there's no harm in doing it

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so like meh

upbeat pewter
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no harm, sure. just dont think theres much benefit to it

thorn tree
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i guess

upbeat pewter
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but i think its pretty safe that we'll get human, dwarf, elf, half elf, ect

thorn tree
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fun

upbeat pewter
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i expect most things will be drawn from DnD, so tabaxi is a possibility

thorn tree
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but that list is missing something :3

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ah

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damnit, you beat me to it

white cliff
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@short mason I think the loot is the core gameplay loop, and weird to think that people donā€™t care about it because it directly correlates with PvP. The only people who I believe this suggestion is aimed at is people who pvp in normals with grey gear and kill people who barely survive skeletons.

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Because obviously if you donā€™t care about loot and want alt currency the easier way is to go in naked and farm ā€œnoobsā€.

thorn tree
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i almost forgot that this game was pvp

white cliff
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But then the entire currency is based around buying, gear?

upbeat pewter
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that list is missing a lot of things, i was mostly just giving the main ones.

thorn tree
upbeat pewter
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i think people would have problems with dwarves and halflings due to size

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so large dwarves and no halflings xD

thorn tree
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if they add it, they'll probably have it figured out

white cliff
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I hope they donā€™t use recourses to add a pve mode.

upbeat pewter
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yeah, for sure

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the game's PvE is really shallow

thorn tree
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:T

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mkay

white cliff
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Real and true.

thorn tree
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i don't really know much about the game, so my takes are essentially useless lol

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i'm just here for the ride (and possible furries)

upbeat pewter
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the PvE is mostly a mechanic between, or to suppliment PvP

thorn tree
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fair

white cliff
upbeat pewter
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there are bosses, which are pretty cool, and will likely be better, but thats most of it. i imagine it'll get better though

thorn tree
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so basically a form of environmental danger

white cliff
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And a source of loot.

thorn tree
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fun!

thorn tree
white cliff
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Most mobs drop an item.

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Thatā€™s crazy, where are you people coming from. How do you find a discord for a game that currently isnā€™t playable, manage to join, and find your way into the suggestions channel.

thorn tree
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my friend suggested we should play together when the next playtest arrives, don't know how he found it

white cliff
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If I had a quarter for every time it happened this week, Iā€™d have two quarters. Which isnā€™t a lot; but itā€™s weird it happened twice.

thorn tree
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i was like "oh i just remembered, i'll look it up," and ended up in this server lol

upbeat pewter
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the game is booming pretty hard, its not surprising

thorn tree
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strangers in text chat are always so intimidating '^'

upbeat pewter
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most people will hear about it between tests, because people are mostly playing and not talking during them

thorn tree
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interesting

thorn tree
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looks like uh, 27 people disagree with me

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which i guess is the result of my phrasing LOL

upbeat pewter
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noone likes furries

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not even furries

thorn tree
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incorrect, i like furries

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they're like cute pets but sapient so you can also make them actual characters

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so you get both the "aww" and whatever edgy character deviantart produces put together

gloomy cradle
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Appealing to the furries is something you do when your game's player base is dying

nimble juniper
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Keep the playable characters humanlike and medieval europe inspired. this is not animal crossing

gloomy cradle
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medieval europe inspired that's going to trigger some people

thorn tree
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i'm gonna be honest, whether or not it's added, this is a kind of dumb take

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because it's fantasy

nimble juniper
thorn tree
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dude

white cliff
thorn tree
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living skeletons weren't in medieval europe either

mossy ruin
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Animal Human hybrid looks are cool, get over yourselves. Rather have dwarf though

nimble juniper
thorn tree
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medieval european weapons and furries are not mutually exclusive what????

nimble juniper
white cliff
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That has nothing to with races though.

thorn tree
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like as much as i joke about adding furries, it's their choice. but also, what in the world about it being inspired by medieval europe means there can't be furries

nimble juniper
white cliff
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I mean that question answers itself no?

thorn tree
nimble juniper
white cliff
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Yeah, donā€™t joke about that itā€™s against the server rules.

mossy ruin
white cliff
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Also, donā€™t agree to being xenophobic, thatā€™s also against the rules lol.

thorn tree
white cliff
thorn tree
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i think we're being trolled but i'm not sure because some people just have really weird takes

mossy ruin
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I recommend just getting breakfast or w.e and ignoring people who arent genuinely responding. and ty I am Meg

mossy ruin
white cliff
thorn tree
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this probably means it's a troll, right?

white cliff
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Who knows he could be serious, could have been a joke. But youā€™ll know a troll when you see one. They bait and make non serious suggestions.

thorn tree
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meh, idk

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they're typing rn so i'll just wait for that

white cliff
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Itā€™s certainly a miss characterization based on what theyā€™ve said before.

thorn tree
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oohh, right, message history

mossy ruin
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hhmm, hes definitely holding a stance, but his points are irrelevant, probably just dislikes the connotation of furry and what it represents

nimble juniper
white cliff
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Like I said, most people conflate the word furry and fetish.

thorn tree
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"this isn't animal crossing" makes me think he probably thinks i mean like plushie furries instead of lycanthropes or tabaxi

white cliff
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I donā€™t think heā€™s differentiating furry archetypes noā€¦

mossy ruin
white cliff
nimble juniper
mossy ruin
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even if he refers to animal crossing, doesnt make sense

white cliff
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Allow me to introduce this.

thorn tree
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for clarification, i don't mean the plushy furries, i mean lycanthropes and tabaxi

white cliff
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For clarification, he didnā€™t really care. It was clearly meant to be a jab/joke. He absolutely was not differentiating furry archetypes with you.

thorn tree
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i'm braindead

nimble juniper
thorn tree
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racism

agile condor
white cliff
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No, letā€™s not do this.

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Thatā€™s the second time youā€™ve used buzz words.

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Donā€™t call people racist or xenophobic to bait arguments, or even as a joke.

thorn tree
thorn tree
white cliff
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It just brings in moderators who end up timing out everyone.

thorn tree
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gotcha

white cliff
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The more civil and self governed we can keep things the better; and the more freedom we have.

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A lot of the channels have chat timers.

nimble juniper
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mods dont add furries

thorn tree
white cliff
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Idk, just donā€™t engage with him.

nimble juniper
thorn tree
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okay

white cliff
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You two just fundamentally disagree and thatā€™s fine.

nimble juniper
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freezing me out

thorn tree
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i'm honestly just confused by what he's saying

nimble juniper
thorn tree
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mkay

agile condor
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I think itā€™s simple, Wezew just doesnā€™t want furries, donā€™t think heā€™s trolling or anything, theyā€™re allowed to have their own opinion on your suggestion and it even appears to be the majority. Cat on the other hand has twice reached for baiting buzzwords for no reason other than to push an argument. You both have different opinions, thatā€™s all. Itā€™s the whole point of this channel lol

white cliff
# white cliff Because obviously if you donā€™t care about loot and want alt currency the easier ...

Anyways, back to the last suggestion. I think the loot is the core gameplay loop, and weird to think that people donā€™t care about it because it directly correlates with PvP. The only people who I believe this suggestion is aimed at is people who pvp in normals with grey gear and kill people who barely survive skeletons.

Because obviously if you donā€™t care about loot and want alt currency the easier way is to go in naked and farm ā€œnoobsā€.

thorn tree
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oop, i wasn't trying to start an argument, i was just thinking it was braindead funny relevant yaknow

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didn't really have an ulterior motive with those ones

agile condor
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I think if you pull those cards with friends, thatā€™s up to you & your relationship with them. However pulling it here with people youā€™ve never talked to (or anywhere in life with people you donā€™t know) would only produce confusion & discord (no pun intended)

thorn tree
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that's my bad, i wasn't really aware of what sort of energy the conversation had

white cliff
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Yeah keep in mind calling anyone youā€™re not friends with racist or xenophobic might cause them to react poorly, even as a joke.

thorn tree
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i was trying not to make it too "you're racist" by making the message just "racism," but yeah it appears that wasn't really appropriate in the first place

white cliff
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Also, Iā€™m sure youā€™re well aware. Even solely based on your suggestion that people arenā€™t the biggest fans of the furry community. Not saying Iā€™m encouraging you to walk on egg shells but, Iā€™m sure you know thereā€™s a target.

thorn tree
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i'm always a target babey

unique loom
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Letā€™s keep this discussion purely about suggestions.

thorn tree
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fair

white cliff
unique loom
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This channel is for suggestion discussion. Letā€™s keep it on track.

white cliff
agile condor
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Suggestion from VALN3R#5909

[There should be a special drop if you kill enemys, like picking up their soul or a special coin so there is a reward for killing people and dont care that much about the loot. This would help the lategame and progression of the game. Just enable a shop where you can level up or get items based on those coins collected by killing players.]

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agile condor
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I think this may be done for upcoming quests

white cliff
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I think the loot is the core gameplay loop, and weird to think that people donā€™t care about it because it directly correlates with PvP. The only people who I believe this suggestion is aimed at is people who pvp in normals with grey gear and kill people who barely survive skeletons.

Because obviously if you donā€™t care about loot and want alt currency the easier way is to go in naked and farm ā€œnoobsā€.

thorn tree
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i'm not all to familiar with the flow of the game but i get the sense that a shop would be kind of strange in a pvp setting

white cliff
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Thereā€™s NPC shops, like UI, and a trade channel.

thorn tree
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interesting

white cliff
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The suggestion wants an alternative currency and shop for kills.

thorn tree
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is it set up where you'd have to like... fight over the npc?

white cliff
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No UI, user interface.

thorn tree
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hm

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okay

white cliff
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At the menu.

thorn tree
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ah

white cliff
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Have you watched any gameplay yet?

thorn tree
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i agree with your point on farming new players for the currency because they can't properly fight back, that's a major yucky for games to me

thorn tree
white cliff
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So thereā€™s two modes, normal and high roller. Normal mode is free, has easier mobs, and a bit less high tier loot. High roller has a 75 gold buy in, and has a bit better loot, and harder enemies that are guaranteed to drop a certain tier of items.

thorn tree
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that's actually interesting

slate tartan
thorn tree
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i'm gonna go watch gameplay of it now so that i can form opinions

white cliff
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In HR itā€™s guaranteed for specific rarity or above from elites I just canā€™t remember if it was white or green.

fair copper
white cliff
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They adjusted loot pools during a hot patch to make Hr better.

fair copper
slate tartan
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There was never a guaranteed tier of loot, you could still get grey's, just less likely

white cliff
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Iā€™m telling you itā€™s in the hot patch notes lol.

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Let me see if I can find it, it might even be in the discord.

agile condor
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They patched bosses to also have guaranteed loot - reg bosses purples Hr bosses oranges

muted crag
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Are peeps really coming in here with zero experience or idea of the game and trying to veer it off the road of its theme?

agile condor
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I would definitely suggest playing the game first to see why people like it before getting too opinionated with suggestions

white cliff
fair copper
white cliff
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Elite grade monsters no longer drop poor quality loot, grays.
Nightmare mobs can no longer drop whites.

@slate tartan

lusty wren
fair copper
lusty wren
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PUG teams

fair copper
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Then sure yeah add in voicechat for teammates thats it

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But I donā€™t want to hear enemy players screaming slurs at me

lusty wren
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I am impartial to a proximity chat because typically they have mutes. But I think the VOIP for teams is mandatory if you want a system that groups people together to avoid a solo queue

white cliff
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You can always mute it.

muted crag
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I dont want a rogue to play a high pitch ear shatter noise through their soundboard to make me wince while they stab me in the back.

white cliff
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Iā€™m sure youā€™d be able to adjust the VOIP level.

fair copper
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Would you be able to mute players when you spawn or when they speak

muted crag
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As can they adjust their transmit volume.

mossy ruin
lusty wren
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Most systems allow a overall mute

white cliff
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Iā€™ve been playing a game with VOIP called battlebit. It runs 127 player servers, and you automatically hot mic when you die. And itā€™s the funniest shit Iā€™ve ever played.

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I think this game can figure out how to properly handle 16 people.

muted crag
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Bloody love battle bit voip, all the RP.

mossy ruin
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voips main benefit is communication, kinda the biggest advancement in the history of the world is talking over long distances in real time. The hell it better be an option at some point, at least teammates in proximity

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Discord is so prevalent that it can be put off, but its also so likely that people USE voice in group that it should be in game eventually

opaque shore
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All the voice channels in the discord also lagged the server tons

fair copper
lusty wren
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Id prefer they not do it how HUNT did it. (team chat was PROXIMITY) In hunt discord had a huge advantage over pugs because it was proximity.

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and ya discord crashed like 3 times that i know of during last PT

mossy ruin
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fair enough, just saying

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Since we HAVE discord, game can put it off, but should match at some point

lusty wren
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I cant imagine any system to appease SOLOs that does not auto group players, and if you are AUTO matching solos together than its mandatory IMO

mossy ruin
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Don't appease solos, as a solo player, i like the 3v1

torpid quiver
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they litterally just need to update the invite mechanics and let you invite players inside a dungeon if you WANT to

lusty wren
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They already said they are working on something for them. So you can say that all you want but its a large subset of the community and will be getting something

lusty wren
mossy ruin
lusty wren
mossy ruin
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agreed

torpid quiver
# lusty wren Even this needs a communication option

you can just make a group chat in discord, teamspeka or wherever it doesnt matter for groupplay, though in game chat where everyone can hera you is the coolest thing ever for such a game and just teamchat over voice would be very handy

lusty wren
torpid quiver
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well they can if they so want

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if tehy dont want to tehy dont want

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im talking ingame the overhaul of invitingv players obviously requires an general chat and stuff

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you should never need anything outside of agame to paly the game a voicechat is just an extra so its fine if the game itself doesnt have it

lusty wren
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Not really, playing this game in a team without being able to communicate is cancer šŸ˜„

torpid quiver
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kinda but the game still works

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not warming up your room becaus eits too expensive atm is also kinda cancer but it works for me

lusty wren
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Bad game design

torpid quiver
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well if we talk abt bad gamedesign there hasnt been a good designed game in abt 20 years

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not 1

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and darkl and darker has many things it should add to be a good game its just dependent on what the devs want with the game if tehy just want a battleroyal then this is what the game will be eitehr way

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i would prefer a dungeoncrawler with br mechanics inside dungeons

lusty wren
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How does adding a team voip make it a "battleroyal" only? šŸ˜„

torpid quiver
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fits the game far better

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it is a battleroyal

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it atm is

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i didnt argue in regards to voip

lusty wren
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Ya, not arguing the obvious here šŸ˜„

torpid quiver
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whats obviousƟ

muted crag
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What we do have now is a way to invite others to group via player search, so adding a status of LFG or Hosting wouldn't be a bad addition. The only idea Im against is making entire solo-only lobbies.

lusty wren
muted crag
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Ironmace cant rely on discord forever.

lusty wren
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They couldnt even rely on it for last PT

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Discord crashed so many times they had to remove the option to create ur own voice channel

muted crag
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Mhm, not enough rooms.

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I was even making my own server to invite people to to have less of my bandwidth be taken up up having this whole mess open.

lusty wren
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Exactly

upbeat pewter
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Is this another debate about voip? Lol

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The devs already confirmed voip

nimble juniper
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Personally, i think they should add a bunch of emotes with voice lines instead, but keep the voice for parties. avoiding old cod-like lobbies with people screaming.

stuck heath
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If it can simple be disabled I don't see a problem. People just love to complain about things they do not enjoy to partake in.

plain knot
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Soul collector allows high roller pvpers or pvp playstyles to make money or better loot in a more malicious way other than just looting the dungeon.

keen reef
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The pt's be bigger and the maps too. I have a group of 6 friends and we want to play together, but there's no way.

eager creek
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so annoying how people could abuse lighting to see dark corners

white cliff
eager creek
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having a zone = battle royale

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DUHH

white cliff
rocky oar
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Abuse? Bruh, it's in the game xD

white cliff
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I missed some good discussion clearly.

wintry forge
eager creek
rocky oar
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Lol yea, my bad

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Should have replied

eager creek
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did you read the discord post?

rocky oar
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The suggestion right?

eager creek
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ya

rocky oar
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I was just saying it's not abuse when it's an option in the game to increase the brightness.

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Whether is should be in the game or not is not up to me.

eager creek
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in a game called dark and darker, you think the intended use of the game is for you to be able to see into dark corners because you changed settings so much it becomes lighter?

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the setting is there for people with eye discomfort/conditions, its abused by people who want and easier experience.

rocky oar
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I turned mine up all the way cause I got tired of most of inferno being so dang dark and their and I couldn't bother fighting in the same room as those rooms that were insanely dark

eager creek
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o_o

rocky oar
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Also, don't even bother ask me. All I simply said was that it's not abuse if they put it in the game and I said it's not up to me on whether it should be in the game or not.

white cliff
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I didnā€™t even know there was a gamma setting, and I looked lol.

rocky oar
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It was brightness

eager creek
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Well, we just disagree on the definition of abuse then

wintry forge
white cliff
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I think youā€™re confusing abuse and use.

eager creek
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I believe youre improperly using the settings to your advantage, you dont want to be seen as cheating, i understand.

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unless you have an eye condition that the dark irritates it or something*

white cliff
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Using game files to artificially enhance your lighting would be cheating for sure.

rocky oar
eager creek
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abuse only means the improper use of something

wintry forge
opaque shore
rocky oar
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If he said using Nvidia to increase brightness, then yea I agree, but brightness is literally a setting in the game they put into the game

opaque shore
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Suggestion from nes#0115

In the future, give us an option to globally hide all cosmetics.
A toggle option in settings to hide all user worn cosmetics to have vanilla gameplay only.

Opinion:

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opaque shore
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Thoughts?

rocky oar
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Well, you have +53

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You need anymore than that?

eager creek
opaque shore
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So everything is how they look default

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Such as the annoying blue torch that hurts my eyes

smoky yoke
eager creek
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oh yea, that would be good.

rocky oar
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This game is still dark as hell btw even with increased brightness. Brightness is weird in this game cause it only helps enough in certain areas that are way too dark for no reason but it doesn't help too much. If you were to turn of torches and sit in a corner, you wouldn't be able to see the person even with increase brightness. Have you tried the increased brightness at all?

eager creek
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im also not a fan of people running around as skeletons

opaque shore
smoky yoke
wintry forge
eager creek
nimble juniper
rocky oar
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It's more than likely gonna be the main tropes though to be honest

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Like Elf and Dwarves

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Although I don't know how they will do that because I think they already said they don't want different character heights

open ermine
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yeah basically de-confirms dorfs which is sad

wintry forge
open ermine
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at least a warforgedlike/golem race has a shot

eager creek
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dwarf role is so cringe

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who wants to swing at human spider heights?

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or shoot arrows at them

sturdy spear
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why do you guys dislike the idea of a light crossbow?

eager creek
nimble juniper
rocky oar
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TIEFLING TIEFLING TIEFLING!!!

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And then all we need is Warlocks added

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so I can finally play my dang fantasy character, Tiefling Warlock while screaming Eldritch Blast at people!

pure summit
fiery ledge
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I think it would increase the rate at which players would ask for an inventory reset and ultimately have to require an overhaul of how the game works. Say... only allow this for High Rollers and leave Normals how it was in PT for the stash size to teach people how to itemize and manage a smaller amount of space rather. Do more with less. Etc etc.

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I could care less either way because I'm always going to do at least above exceptional.

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and all that matters to me is pvp and fun times, looting is a waste to me

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I say give the banker option to high rollers because high roller people will have a crunch timer on the leaderboard and would probably like to have lots of sets for running in HR

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and keep it off for normals because of the other aforementioned reason

pure summit
fiery ledge
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Not that I'm not like you

pure summit
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haha, true

fiery ledge
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I just come from a different background. The hurt me plenty style has been something I experience not just in games but in life.

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Its a good idea, it has some merit.

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And none of what i can do to vote on it would really impart my feelings on the matter x)

pure summit
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Yeah, I definitely want a fulfilling experience for a number of playstyles, like treasure hunter, slayer, boss killer, crafter, hoarder, etc.

fiery ledge
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This dialogue will have to suffice for the meantime

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Ah, well, in that aspect ~ I played a lot of MMOS and the gold grinding in that also ruined wanting to horde stuff

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All that time spent gathering when I could of just been killing

pure summit
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I literally just played pvp in WoW haha

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never got into the pve

fiery ledge
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Did it once for the experience. Now I'll never do it again. Ergo, no interest in banks for myself, but I see how putting it out of reach and also within people's reach can be a good thing.

pure summit
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yeah, was thinking if there was reputation points how those would work, interest was something that seemed obvious, but might be toxic for the game, definitely crossed my mind. But if it was a small amount, maybe 1%, then it would just be a little supplemental income kind of thing.

fiery ledge
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Imagine if rome was built in a day

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we'd basically be mayflys ~ live and die in a day or less because we can burn all that time and effort in just 24

wary shell
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good mrbeanz suggestion Whaat

west cloak
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I'd keep an eye on it if he gets a lot of upvotes he might edit it later to something p2w

wary shell
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cursed felling axe that you cant sheathe until you kill a couple players RageBarb

wintry forge
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Cursed items lock you into playing that character and using the cursed item until you meet the condition that removes the curse.

stuck heath
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He might mean cursed items that make you die within 10 seconds of picking it up.

stuck heath
wintry forge
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Why don't you want to be locked into using a character with a cursed item until you remove the curse?

tender magnet
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Are you joking?

wintry forge
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No. I want to know your reasoning.

white cliff
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Because that sounds like anti fun game design.

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Locking your players into doing a specific thing is usually bad.

wintry forge
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For anyone that up voted the cursed item suggestion.

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Depending on what the curse is people might just choose to create another character of the same class instead of trying to remove the curse.

white cliff
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That doesnā€™t necessarily mean youā€™re locked to an item. He doesnā€™t specify in his suggestion.

wintry forge
white cliff
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A curse could be a de-buff.

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An item could be worth more but give you slowness.

thorn tree
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Beat me to it

white cliff
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Like I said, he doesnā€™t specify.

thorn tree
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What jkidd said

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A cursed item might work if it was something else other than forced equipping

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Curses as a debuff sounds interesting generally

reef cosmos
white cliff
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Limiting storage is intentional.

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Increasing storage in any capacity alters gameplay.

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I think weā€™ve talked about this a few times at length.

wintry forge
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@frosty creek What ideas do you have for cursed items?

white cliff
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Noooo, let the man have his win.

thorn tree
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?

white cliff
# thorn tree ?

Heā€™s notorious for having some of the most downvoted suggestions. Iā€™m going to guess if he elaborated it would be similar.

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Just let the man take his upvotes.

thorn tree
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Ah..

reef cosmos
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Imagine cursed items as item that are random with random stats but the good part of the status is buffed and the bad augmented too, like 50dmg > 55 and -25 move speed> -30move speed

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now, apply this to armor

thorn tree
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So like powerful with a notable downside?

reef cosmos
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+20 move speed -20 armor

thorn tree
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Sounds interesting

reef cosmos
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its all about highrisk highreward

open ermine
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yeah that's what i'd expect cursed gear to do is some bonus stat paired with a -stat

reef cosmos
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you can beat the ghost king before it does the death jump but one single hit and you ded bruh

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cursed weapons will be craaazy shit

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btw, i expect some items with better health stats

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right now we have items increasing your dmg but very few increasing your health

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its very easy to oneshot someone with good bot and rings, or axe and rings

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Give us some more health

soft relic
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I'd honestly rather they lower damage output than increase health.

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Like get rid of +damage rolls on anything except weapons and maybe jewelry.

thorn tree
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Honestly just depends on if you want big or small numbers lol

reef cosmos
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if you decrease the dmg you nerf the pve, and pve can be nasty with low dmg

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zombies with high armor and 300 400 hp

soft relic
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That helps a lot with the ridiculous damage scaling in PvP, and honestly having +damage on those pieces of gear trivialized PvE too much as well

reef cosmos
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how about insert on the game the idea of penalty on stacking +dmg

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the more buffs you stack the less efective it is

soft relic
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Could work. Lots of ways to go about fixing the issue, really

reef cosmos
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Hope they listen to us in some of our suggestions, they have some problems with balancing items and shit that could become big deal later when release time arrives

white cliff
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Imagine when bard gets added and it causes a shift for a game you just perfectly balanced. Then you add new weapons, enemies, armor etc, that all trickles down.

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Instead it would be better to have a finished product then balance.

fair copper
pure summit
# reef cosmos Hope they listen to us in some of our suggestions, they have some problems with ...

Hot take: I think overpowered things keep things fresh and give people incentive to try new stuff out. If week 1 rogue is op people try rogue out, if it gets nerfed and wizard gets buffed, people move to wizard. A perfectly balanced game would have a stagnated meta, and get boring over time. ā€” League of Legends does this very well, they buff and nerf things to change the meta every season. Bring lesser-played champs back into play by over-buffing them, get rid of over-played ones by "over"-nerfing them to keep things feeling new.

fair copper
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Glad bard wonā€™t replace clerics!

thorn tree
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Was that something that could've happened???

faint dirge
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He doesnt mean overpowered as im archer one hits everything next patch he does 0 damage

west cloak
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It's called a rolling meta a lot of games do it

pure summit
faint dirge
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Yes

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Lol does that really good

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Current patch sucks

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But usually really good

pure summit
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balancing 100+ champs with new items is a straight gamble lol

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But hey, even that's kind of fun to see what happens when the smoke settles

west cloak
pure summit
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I saw a lot of stuff like Dash being fired

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and acting super strange lately

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Dunno what's going on over there at Riot

white cliff
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The worst season in a long time.

pure summit
faint dirge
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That season sucks because a few champs are cancer op

white cliff
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XP changes, Jungle changes, Tank items.

faint dirge
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Like over 10 champs are so strong you have to ban or pick them

white cliff
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But hey, we have arurf for a bit.

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Soā€¦thatā€™s funā€¦

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I love rotating game modes.

west cloak
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Jungle changes took the soul out of jungling

white cliff
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Yayā€¦.

pure summit
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damn, so it's like buiser meta? Jax, Naus, Mundo?

white cliff
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Every champ builds one of two tank mythics lol.

faint dirge
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Battle mage meta mid

pure summit
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haha wow

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Sylas mid meta seemed so lame to me

pure summit
faint dirge
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Meta

pure summit
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That actually seems better tbh

faint dirge
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Nah

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He ganks all the time

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Annoying as fuck

pure summit
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haha yeah, just in the sense that his skill set and stuff seems like it should be jungle instead of mid

faint dirge
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If you gets a few succesful ganks he taks over thr whole game

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Kinda

pure summit
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If tank items are good so much stuff gets crazy

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Sylas becomes unkillable demon king

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I might need to go try that now haha

faint dirge
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Try ryze or kassa with rod seraph

pure summit
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Naughty

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I heard Ryze is nuts

winged venture
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league always looked boring to me. and then seeing how try hard the gameplay is just off-putting

pure summit
opaque shore
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League and Leaguer server now

wintry forge
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I only like first-person games.

winged venture
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i haven't played league or any 3rd person shooter other than Donkey kong 64

winged venture
pure summit
late scroll
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ap jax BuffedWizard

faint dirge
winged venture
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id rip my hair out and just ball up and cry

pure summit
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And then you see the Koreans and you're like... Okay I can't have a girlfriend, life, or go see my family on Christmas if I want to be that good šŸ˜†

faint dirge
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Yeah

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Its crazy

agile condor
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Suggestion from DavidAyyee#3428

add a perk to cleric to determine enemy player health bars

Opinion:

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agile condor
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I actually think this could be interesting lol - so many downvotes, what don't people like?

native cedar
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invasive UI/immersion breaking and would most likely interfere with a player being in dark area.

tribal patio
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its interesting but would end up being really annoying probably

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^^ the dark thing

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im confused why would anyone downvote this this is necessary change for the class

fiery ledge
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Thanks for linking that.

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Needed to downvote it.

tribal patio
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Suggestion from Dragojazz#0044

Make fighters weapon mastery nerf (-20% damage) affect only ranged weapons, a fighter shouldnt be bad at melee

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tribal patio
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this is the one im talking about btw

west cloak
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Why would you take a perk that nerfs your damage? Fighter is already worse at ranged then ranger

pseudo wing
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because bows are OP and great even with -20% dmg

tribal patio
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Thats what im talking about but it affects all non fighter weapons including melee

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i want it to only nerf ranged

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why on gods earth would you hinder yourself in melee when you can just play ranger

west cloak
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Yea bow is good-- but fighter wasn't overturned or anything

fiery ledge
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He's saying that because the fighter is actually a skilled melee combatant, in terms of continuity and lore ~ he thinks the perk should not hurt his ability to be proficient with melee weapons.

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It has nothing to do with whatever you think your feelings are about the balance of a class.

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Or rather, it shouldn't.

pseudo wing
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I wasn't responding to him. I was responding to the person asking why use the perk that allows u to use bows

fiery ledge
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Talking to floater.

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Not you.

west cloak
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Seems dumb bow fighter isn't a problem

pseudo wing
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the real question is why can't barbarians figure out how to use a halberd. I feel like they could study for years and figure it out. maybe go to college for swinging sticks

west cloak
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Jack of all trades master of none

fiery ledge
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As for why they have the 20% damage reduction, I would say its to try and bring the archer and fighter closer together in a 1v1 battle of arrows considering the armor value advantage the fighter should innately have over the archer.

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For those who weren't playing juiced archers, or maybe proto wiz xbow with ignite ~ 1 shotting squishies to the chest was a thing

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and if you dont know that, you also probably dont know that you can collateral with the windlass

native cedar
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windlass pens?

wintry forge
native cedar
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No one uses those perks

fiery ledge
# native cedar windlass pens?

Not only windlass, but any weapon it seems so long as your armor pen value and Strikethrough value are high enough to beat whatever float/integer check is required.

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armor acts as a -phys damage reduction parent value whereas strikethrough acts as a "can i be hit/can i hit you value"

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at the very bottom of the stat tree was strikethrough, with it at 1 you can hit, if you exceed armor pen values though, i dont have it down to a science, but i TK'd on collateral

wintry forge
fiery ledge
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ie: if you hit someone with a shield and they perform a successful block, whatever the remainder damage is once passed the check will be done to the receiver.

native cedar
tribal patio
fiery ledge
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i also made sure to note of special instances with proc buffs like smite or poison weapons

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i thought not as well until i knocked someone over with melee swings on a pavise and kite shield

fiery ledge
tribal patio
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well pavise is useless because if your too close to it you can just swing through it and hit them, ive tested it

fiery ledge
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I'm specific about what I'm saying for a reason. On a successful block on both a pavise and kite shield

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I've seen both.

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Without proc damage.

tribal patio
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i know it could stagger you but i thought it blocked the full damage

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that makes blocking even less reliable wtf

fiery ledge
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It seems to only work if the armor pen value exceeds armor rating though so

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If your enemy doesnt know how to build

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You should be fine

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There isnt anything I found that you can equip to + Strikethrough

tribal patio
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ridiculous still

fiery ledge
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I think thats just an innate variable that says "can I hit" like league of legends "blind" or something similar

tribal patio
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this is why spear and felling axe are the 2 best melee weapons in the game

fiery ledge
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Broke my heart, I wanted LS fighter to be so good

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Till I ran into felling axe

late scroll
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staff enjoyers Apollo

tribal patio
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Me too, wish zweihander was better as well

fiery ledge
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it is better

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at team killing

tribal patio
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so is the maul

late scroll
tribal patio
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wizard goes hard

fiery ledge
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yea... part of me is like, its good that they dont let us have binds for attack type indicators

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but then the maul and zwei exist

tribal patio
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fighter just needs some love and he can be viable again

fiery ledge
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and its like, ill never use them in teams again unless playing with 2 ranged

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ive killed a few people on the backswing

tribal patio
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hehe, ive resorted to looking straight up with the maul to do overheads

fiery ledge
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oh god, and lose the entire horizontal pov?

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maybe if they give us fov sliders

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but im getting too old for that

tribal patio
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only when i use the bastard weapon

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spear is so good, felling axe is pure damage

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ive 1 tapped entire teams of people

late scroll
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fel is sooo goood for barb

fiery ledge
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took a spear to the face, 1 tap as a rogue at full hp in blue phys res gear

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dont know how i feel about it yet

late scroll
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spear has crazy range

tribal patio
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rogue is probably the strongest melee when geared

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but it takes gear, but when you get it its just unfair lmao, 1 tapping people from behind

late scroll
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didnt see too many spears though

tribal patio
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didnt see many good players tbh

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lot of falchion users / halberds

fiery ledge
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+True Magic Damage was good on Poisoned Weapons

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% was more for fireball and lightning

tribal patio
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it was basically for that yeah

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but wizards strongest spell was magic missle

late scroll
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% was kinda bad last pt

fiery ledge
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I felt it more unreliable in HR against more solid comps

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Was great to use it against rogue and etc

tribal patio
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aye

fiery ledge
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anything with a shield and brian > magic missile

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brain* zzz

tribal patio
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nope

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just aim for hte legs

fiery ledge
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hey peter is me brian from family guy

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inb4 tower shield

tribal patio
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Ive seen wizards let them walk up to them, by the time they swing they get 1 shot by a missle

fiery ledge
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Ergo my comment about the brain

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I've watched better fighters jump and crouch to pull their legs up while looking down

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to eat the magic missile up curve

tribal patio
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or they can just add better shields

fiery ledge
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inb4 tower shields

late scroll
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pavise

fiery ledge
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pukes

tribal patio
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pavise doesnt even work

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lmfao

fiery ledge
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works better than the others

late scroll
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its not that bad ngl

fiery ledge
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EGGSDEE

late scroll
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ye

tribal patio
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no, it doesnt

late scroll
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blocks fireball

native cedar
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I've seen team's play around it well.

tribal patio
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you can straight up punch through it if your close enough

fiery ledge
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You can punch through anything if you're close enough.

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Literally lean forward and ignore colliders.

native cedar
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yep

fiery ledge
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I can horizontal swing through jail bars

tribal patio
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yeah and you can do that with anything

fiery ledge
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that are veritcal

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my comment about the shield was from a VS ai standpoint

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Towards the last half of last pt i think shields broke

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the hitbox changed for me at least

tribal patio
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i remember something like that

fiery ledge
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it felt like i understood how to block something and then I was just wrong every time after that

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and i thought maybe, hey, after 10 years of mordhau and chivalry

tribal patio
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blocking in general needs a rework

fiery ledge
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im just stupid

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of course it doesnt mean ill always know right away

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but i gave it my best effort and was just stumped

tribal patio
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all you can do to block is look up and crouch

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and pray they dont try to swing around it

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cuz good luck reading it

fiery ledge
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I noticed input delay on hit if thats what you're talking about

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I read faster swings in shorter time and it seems like if you werent already in the right spot

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adjusting wouldnt save you

tribal patio
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exactly

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thats why i ignore the shield and just use ranged or felling axe

fiery ledge
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YEPP

tribal patio
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dodging attacks rather than blockin is meta

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but it doesnt have to be that way

fiery ledge
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And its not like I was mad about it either (for anyone who would read this later), its early on in the pt and its just a "skeleton system"

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I put the shield down promptly after that because I understood that much. Was my first PT, wanted to try as much as I could.

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meanwhile, you can cure skeleton debuff

reef cosmos
wary shell
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Feels like blocking is for pve atm

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But it trivializes wraiths and champions

carmine path
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If they add the gambling leaderboard it would be cool if they also add the person who lost the most money

gloomy cradle
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Does blocking block all damage?

rocky oar
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Not magic

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It block only some magic dmg

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But it blocks all physical dmg

gloomy cradle
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Unless they get around the shield? And when fighting monsters they don't generate aggro on the monster, so it could switch off of them to another party member?

rocky oar
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That's the point though

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You body block at doors with shield

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and your teammates with range kill the mob

gloomy cradle
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In Deep Rock Galactic you could buy a round of drinks for your team before going into your mission. Some drinks even gave you a buff, but those were a randomly selected drink of the day, and they were almost always not very helpful. @nimble juniper

sturdy spear
gloomy cradle
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On the wiki there are already 2 crossbows listed. Are you suggesting a 3rd?

upbeat pewter
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theres only 2 crossbows atm, both are 2 handed.

wintry forge
slate tartan
gloomy cradle
rocky oar
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That's recipe for people to actively avoid people entirely if their is not circle to just farm mobs.

fair copper
fiery ledge
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Ah yes... add more mobs to the mob.

wintry forge
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It fits the same purpose as the circle. Ironmace is using the circle to pressure players to the middle of the map. They said this in the pestily interview. I think having mobs spawn in on the edges of the map in increasing number and frequency would ramp up the tension Ironmace wants. And yeah, this is to force players to the center of the map because there are too many monsters to handle eventually.

rocky oar
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I can already see that being an issue

slate tartan
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Makes it impossible to rotate if you're being held from the middle, so essentially it just rewards players for getting to the center early and holding people out

gloomy cradle
rocky oar
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There are also places where you can get up to where mobs can't even hit you including archers

fiery ledge
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its also vertices spam

rocky oar
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Next you know you have a team of 3 wizards spamming chain lightning

gloomy cradle
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And will probably cause a disgusting amount of lag

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I agree it fits thematically and would be entertaining, but actual implementation into this type of game makes it a no-go

upbeat pewter
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yeah, montsre spawning is a bad alternative. id love an alternative, as i hate the circle, but loads of mobs spawning is definitely not it

open ermine
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instead of a mob could just do a singular boss tier monster that hunts outside the circle

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but that still carries some issues

reef cosmos
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Did you see that clip on #dnd-content where 3 wizard killed the lich in less than 30 sec?

upbeat pewter
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the whole point of removing the circle would be to avoid the outside being certain death.

gloomy cradle
upbeat pewter
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otherwise theres no point in doing so.

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why would that be an improvement? sounds more like a justification of the same thing.

gloomy cradle
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It's not an improvement, it's an alternative.

upbeat pewter
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yeah, i mean, how is it mechanically different? i feel like its just flavour for a mechanic thats effectively the same

pseudo wing
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honestly it getting really dark and having an invul scary spider boss with wallhacks sprinting at people outside of the circle would be scary af

rocky oar
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I think the circle is great

gloomy cradle
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A closing circle closes off the outside of the map to funnel players together in order to make them fight.
I'm saying random areas of the map would become red zones. So people wouldn't be funneled together.

upbeat pewter
frosty creek
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frosty creek
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what do u think ?

upbeat pewter
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i dont think the circle needs to exist. loot can lure people to fight, doing so with incentive rather than forced.

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the loot obviously needs to be set up to give people a chance to fight over it, rather than first one there vaccumes it all up

open ermine
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just add a deterrent for the boss ai then like, what was it someone suggested that the circle snuff out torches,so then you could have the boss only able to target players moving in the darkness without a light source

gloomy cradle
open ermine
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personally im indifferent to the circle at first i didnt enjoy it but towards the end i found myself actively hiding in and out of it so idk

pseudo wing
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if u play the game for pvp it might be hard to imagine but there are a ton of people who will avoid pvp if it's an option every time. in eft there are people who take a fight like once every 10 rounds.

upbeat pewter
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again, sounds like a lot more effort for the same thing, that isnt really fun

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whats wrong with people avoiding PvP?

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assuming the stuff in the middle is worth fighting over, going in to do that will get you fights

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you dont need 100% of the lobby forced to fight every round.

rocky oar
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I love the circle in thos game. It's so toned down so that you don't feel screwed if you get a really bad circle but there is still a sense of urgency of getting to circle. If you get a bad circle in like Fortnite you are kinda screwed because people just camp at edge and the circle does actual dmg vs. DaD where the entire map is the inside of a building essentially with different routes to take so you could essentially avoid players while trying to get into circle so that you aren't just screwed and even then, you can probably just push in because of how little dmg the circle does. I love it

gloomy cradle
upbeat pewter
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theres going to be a lot less loot already, we know that

pseudo wing
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I don't think less loot, just lower rarity. More loot probably in a way as more things are added to the dungeon to harvest/mine.

upbeat pewter
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less 'money' loot for sure

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and yeah, those things.

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i just dont get why people are so desperate to force the entire map together. a mix of tense moments that people that want, go for, and slow moments for the rest. a mix of gameplay is healthy.

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the portals out should always be a contested thing, and should always be in a smaller area to fight over

rocky oar
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My only complaint about circle is that I feel that it is way too fast in inferno. I feel that it needs to be slowed down just a tad.

upbeat pewter
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but one of the reasons i like tarkov's system over the BR circle thing is because you can move at your own pace, and experience the map how you want.

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that added a LOT for me.

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it isnt ever needed to get or find fights, and theres a lot of exciting PvP in the game without it

rocky oar
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Thats probably because the maps are insanely big and there is a insane amount of things to go through. Circle works in this game because of extremely simple it is and how quick you can just go from room to room

upbeat pewter
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DnD being a smaller map doesnt work for your argument though, because you're even more inclined to find each other, and have those fights. even less reason for the circle.

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tarkov has far more to do than DnD

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not saying that i think the game overall is better, mind. just isolating how the system works in comparison.

gloomy cradle
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@upbeat pewter Maybe a system where you have to find and use a shrine to remove a slowly building curse on you? Shrines get consumed on use and there are only so many shrines on the map, with more being in the center.

slate tartan
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If they removed the circle the game would be too easy, plus how you going to find an exit portal in the amount of time you have when you have to scour the whole map instead of an enclosed area? Part of the appeal to this game is that it isn't so easy, and it feels rewarding when you extract, if you take that away we essentially have a PvE dungeon crawler, which is far less engaging than what we have now

rocky oar
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Well ask urself this

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Is this game a PvP or PvE game?

upbeat pewter
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is tarkov a PvE game, though? because id say no.

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and it still works.

gloomy cradle
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This isn't tarkov

upbeat pewter
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sure. but the system is close enough to compare. they are extremely similar mechanically, outside of how the combat is done

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fact is, that the system functions fine without the circle.

slate tartan
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Why do people keep talking about tarkov lol the two games aren't even close

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There's no circle in Mario kart and tht works great

upbeat pewter
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how are the systems different, exactly? apart from circle.

gloomy cradle
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How does Tarkov work?

slate tartan
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It doesn't

tender magnet
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The same idea of enter game with some amount of loot, loot some more, and find exit to leave game session

tender magnet
upbeat pewter
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they are both loot PvPvE games.
tarkov has fixed, hard extraction points without limit, a timer (usually >20mins.

rocky oar
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Well here's the thing

gloomy cradle
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And you insta die when timer is up?

rocky oar
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Then they would have to change how people extract entirely then

upbeat pewter
rocky oar
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Portals exist because of the circle

upbeat pewter
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why would they?

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why are portals tied to the circle?

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they can still spawn in a randomly designed 'circle' that does nothing other than alert the portal areas

slate tartan
upbeat pewter
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thats a very very narrow perspective. obviously they can be still tied to a random area in exactly the same way without the circle.

slate tartan
rocky oar
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If circle goes away, portals would also have to change as well cause imagine having to find 3 portals for ur whole team throughout the entire map

upbeat pewter
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are you not reading my comments?

rocky oar
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Not to mention their are only so many portals in the map

upbeat pewter
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you act as if the circle going away means that the portals spawn randomly everywhere with literally no indicator.

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im not sure why you need to jump to that assumption

rocky oar
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Also if they are tied to a random area in the map, wouldn't that be the same thing as having a circle but without having one

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Everyone has to go to that area to extract theb

upbeat pewter
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i mean, you wouldnt be pressured anywhere for the first 8-9 minutes of the map, so no.

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you can go there at the end

rocky oar
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Then all the portals are gone by other people

upbeat pewter
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good. i dont see anything wrong with that

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thats your fault for not going earlier

rocky oar
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And that's where the problem lies

upbeat pewter
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why is that a problem?

gloomy cradle
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I think a mix would be the best way. Something like B1 works like Tarkov with fixed extraction points and no circle. B2 has red circle and portals. B3 is kill the boss and win or die.

slate tartan
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Game doesn't need an easy mode lol the gameplay loop isn't intended for you to extract every time, that's why you get a base loadout

upbeat pewter
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how is the game easier, though?

rocky oar
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You want circle to be gone so that people can just stay in the map and leave when they want but now they can't even leave at all because the portals were taken leaving them stranded in the map

upbeat pewter
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strawman argument.

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i didnt say the timer would be removed, and i havent suggested portals spawn randomly.

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you keep jumping to things that arnt relevant to the circle.

rocky oar
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Don't complain when you can't make a good solution

upbeat pewter
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im not saying people should have all the time in the world to explore. just not exactly as the circle wants them to. they would still need to plan and get to a portal, would still need to get there before the timer, and would still need to fight over important loot/portals.

rocky oar
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Then tell me Mr. Dev, how would you change the game for the better of the entire DaD community.

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Complain complain and complain with no solution.

gloomy cradle
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oh shit DaD is a way better acronym than DnDr

upbeat pewter
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did i not... give a solution...?

gloomy cradle
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I'm using that from now on.

upbeat pewter
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you have problems that... werent problems, or related, and said they need to be fixed

fair copper
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Portals are cool i hope we donā€™t remove them

upbeat pewter
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before the circle removed. but im yet to see a problem. im spending most of my time explaining why the problems arnt related

rocky oar
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You didn't give a solution.

gloomy cradle
upbeat pewter
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i didnt give a solution... to problems that werent related to the circle.

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right.

rocky oar
upbeat pewter
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portals are fine, i like them.

tender magnet
open ermine
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nah portals are great especially in the current application where you can activate them and leave the portal running

tender magnet
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Portals are great

fair copper
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Portals are great BluePortal RedPortal

rocky oar
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My man out here trying to give his tomato rating without even had watched the movie

fair copper
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Mhm

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I like potatoes yes šŸ„”

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