suggestion-discussion

[fiery ledge]

and its going to happen, ergo my comment about 1v6

its gonna be funny when the solos team

and they stab each other in the back

[late scroll]

feel like this is just not the type of game that should have voice chat

[fiery ledge]

maybe put the price to like

40$

and a 15$ sub fee

per month

see how funny people want to be then

[late scroll]

ehh even with that

[lofty ember]

their mission statement is literally the opposite of trying to charge for stupid shit

[late scroll]

teaming will still happen

[fiery ledge]

its a joke you monkey

settle down

[cerulean sleet]

Ive never heard anyone say a sub fee is a good idea in any context before

[late scroll]

some mf will be playing music

[lofty ember]

thank god

[late scroll]

and sub fee just sucks

cause significant reduction in player base

even if it does reduce cheat/toxic

[fiery ledge]

Its just not that kind of game

and its way too early

[late scroll]

yea

i like it this way

[fiery ledge]

maybe if we had a million old people

[late scroll]

hard to team

little to no communication

[fiery ledge]

and i mean 70 year olds

[wary shell]

just kill the people mic spamming

[late scroll]

pay attention to audio ques

[cerulean sleet]

what r ur guys thoughts on the suggestion I just posted

any of yall ever play mordhau

[fiery ledge]

I mean, I'm just saying I'm turning it off day 1 because I'd rather listen to the sounds of people without shoes

The sound of feet slapping the floor

[wintry forge]

@cerulean sleet Yes, but for all weapons.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[cerulean sleet]

hmm I dont like the idea of something like a zwei not passing through

[late scroll]

honestly i enjoy almost all ideas that ironmace put forward so far but that one just sucks imo

[wary shell]

they could also make the voip bound only

which would help

[cerulean sleet]

you can even say armor is supposed to stop swords as an argument but its a realism argument so it automaticalyl sucks

[late scroll]

teaming just sucks though

6v1 scenario could happen

[wary shell]

they already happened

[wintry forge]

Sub fee is good. Think of it like needing to keep paying for groceries.

[fiery ledge]

From a "realistic/stretch the imagination POV", you could say the sword "glides" over the armor and hide it behind the "pass through animation" just because yeah...

[late scroll]

ik but not to that level of consistency

frequency

[cerulean sleet]

☠️

im dead

[white cliff]

Welcome to the suggestion channel lol.

[late scroll]

i mean sub fee does got positives

main negative is insane reduction in player base

[fiery ledge]

Remember that was a joke to ward off the racists, the sperg mic spams, etc etc. Because this game wont be expensive and it wont be infinitely cheap

So you can expect there'll be a high number of abuse at some point if the punishment isnt too severe

[white cliff]

I feel pretty negatively about hit stop, it more or less invalidates swing patterns that already exist in the game, hitting someone and experiencing hit stop would cause you to repeat the same pattern instead of alternating.

[late scroll]

just no voice easiest solution

[wary shell]

I think voip will help solo players more tbh

thats just what I feel though

[cerulean sleet]

You can integrate the combos into hitstop

theyd have to be redesigned though youre right

[fiery ledge]

That's not really a full statement though. Help them more what? Help them more than hurt them? Help them more than help teams?

[white cliff]

I think what you’re asking for is a more complex combat system.

[cerulean sleet]

noooo it isnt

[wintry forge]

If you chop someone's head off then sure it can pass through. Otherwise no.

[cerulean sleet]

hitstop is not that important for the combat system

felling axe arleady has it

[wary shell]

help solo players survive rather than just get steam rolled

[cerulean sleet]

and no one even mentions it

its like THE reason its so good

[lofty ember]

solo playing prob not encouraged lol

[late scroll]

there are better solutions for that

[fiery ledge]

sword might deform and glide over armor or chain if the swing glances, hard to animate that, call it a pass through and do minor damage

[late scroll]

and dont even think that will happen

feel like solo players are less likely to want to team anyways, they are playing solo after all

[fiery ledge]

also its still a game

it should be fun and not too complex sometimes

like instead of going out for a fancy dinner and ironic jokes

you eat cheap and shitty sometimes

come home, watch family guy

smack the old man around

these guys were getting womped by basic ai

and you want to take away cleave damage

huehuuheuheuhe

[lofty ember]

what

[white cliff]

I’d rather have the game be simple and fun, then have needlessly complex systems that people want to implement from their other favorite; but equally as dead games.

[wintry forge]

Mordhaus not dead.

[white cliff]

1.5k current players with a peak of 60k….

I’m not specifically talking about Mordhau in this situation though.

[fiery ledge]

I'd say its more around 700

there are a lot of bots

they try to sell horde boosted accounts etc etc

[late scroll]

pre sure devs said that they want to keep combat system to this level of complexity anyways

[white cliff]

Sure, semantical honestly. We of course can reference systems that feel good and work, but wanting the game to be exactly like “insert my favorite game” would ultimately destroy what’s unique.

It’s why people play DnD, it’s why people have this “crack like” addiction.

[fiery ledge]

6k hours in mordhau/chiv combined, i dont want them to make this game like those two games

if you dont know why: people arent committed to that level of work

its easier to get your life together than to be "great" at mordhau

it shouldnt be a big effort for the scrubs

[white cliff]

Most people aren’t commit to a competitive atmosphere, or incredibly complex systems.

[fiery ledge]

plus, balancing that stuff?

you cant balance humans

[clear fox]

to be top tier at mordhau you have to abuse really silly swing manipulations

[fiery ledge]

If you let me exploit the system as hard as I can to put you into the ground? I will.

[wintry forge]

Avg Mordhau concurrent players in last 30 days is 1,801.9.

[late scroll]

plus DaDs combat is not even simple, feel like there are a lot of things that can be optimized during a fight

[white cliff]

People do that in any game though.

[white cliff]

I didn’t mean dead as in literally zero.

[late scroll]

not even 2k

[white cliff]

But 60k peak down to 1.8k current is incredibly low.

[lofty ember]

has there been any word of new classes for next play test?

[white cliff]

Bard.

[fiery ledge]

Thats actually better than chivalry was four years after its release

[late scroll]

no classes next playtest

[fiery ledge]

so, I would say "kudos to mordhau"

[late scroll]

bard is not finished yet

they need more time

[white cliff]

They’re not pushing out bard PT4?

[late scroll]

nope

[white cliff]

Has there been a new QnA I missed?

[late scroll]

should be latest one

[white cliff]

Huh, weird.

[open ermine]

"Q: What is the next class going to be?
A: Bard is the next target. However it will probably be too hard to include them in the next playtest. The instrument should be fun for the bard and everyone else." last bit i saw

odds of it being in probably sub 5%

[white cliff]

I thought this was in reference to PT3 though.

Hence why we didn’t see it last test.

[lofty ember]

bard sounds interesting

[fiery ledge]

zz

[lofty ember]

pretty well rounded classes so far

[fiery ledge]

tk damage is gonna go up

[wintry forge]

The high was 28,446.5.

[late scroll]

"A: Bard is the next target. However it will probably be too hard to include them in the next playtest. The instrument should be fun for the bard and everyone else." -ironmace, latest dev qna

[white cliff]

I’m interested to see how it will shift team compositions.

[late scroll]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mOyjH8sYxG5p2aZt_jlofP3-nsHjMnVsxgvqQHdBrjA/edit#

page 5 q 2

[white cliff]

Players right now: 1586. All-time peak: 60264. Find MORDHAU statistics for 2017-2022: steam charts, concurrent players, monthly breakdown, and more.

I genuinely don’t care about the exact number though.

It’s clearly lost a majority of its players.

That’s not an insult towards you as someone who probably enjoyed the game thoroughly.

It’s just a statistic.

[wintry forge]

There's no telling how many people will stop playing DnD though. It's free right now.

[late scroll]

thats true as well

i really wish f2p was a possibility

but it prob isnt possible

too many cheaters

[fiery ledge]

devs have been forthcoming and pretty fast with the hands

[white cliff]

I can’t think of a game that’s timeless.

Most games have life cycles.

[fiery ledge]

so long as ambition and etc dont burn out

we should be gucci

[late scroll]

also how fast can devs produce new content

[fiery ledge]

as fast as they can and are willing

per licenses skill funding and etc

bandwidth limiting and regulations for uploading as well

[lofty ember]

would guilds and guild tabards be cool idea? or is that just gonna stray away from the simplicity?

[fiery ledge]

Although I've seen games crash and update back to back through steam a few times.

[late scroll]

think it would be hella cool

[fiery ledge]

Guilds are coming.

That should come with it.

Nobody should mind about that.

[white cliff]

Confirmed but not a priority.

[late scroll]

very late though

yea

[lofty ember]

imagine killing enemy guild and u pick up their tabard have a lil stash of your enimies

[late scroll]

player housing would be cool

too ambitious probably

[fiery ledge]

If you want to wear some emblem that makes you stand out, I'll probably just find your face a little easier.

f i n e w i t h m e

[lofty ember]

na just like a crest idk interesting thought tho

[fiery ledge]

"She's with stupid" will be mine

Customization per basis?

If your guild paid for their emblem to be made, etc etc.

Has to be a simplistic cutout 2d png

nothing fancy

[lofty ember]

yeah

[fiery ledge]

and i mean real money

[lofty ember]

oh jesus

[late scroll]

i think classes / abilities should be primary focus

following maps and mobs

[fiery ledge]

its not a game breaking cosmetic, its a unity thing

brotherhood

[lofty ember]

only in dogecoin

[fiery ledge]

nvm

no tabards

guilds go in the trash

infact

say goodbye to dad

[late scroll]

wonder what will be new this playtest

[fiery ledge]

nothing, rage just deleted the entirety of dad

[lofty ember]

i just want servers up LMAO

[fiery ledge]

welcome to hell

[late scroll]

no class nerfs

and im chilling

[lofty ember]

i didnt play wiz but maybe a lil there but not like needed

[late scroll]

ehh most wizards will agree he was strong af

just most people didnt play him properly

[fiery ledge]

y'know, people are gonna get tired of playing wizard

sometimes it gets boring being god

[late scroll]

not many people even play him

or do good on him

[fiery ledge]

esp when archer 1 shots him in the chest

[faint dirge]

the few good players make wizard too strong the rest is useless af

[lofty ember]

archer can get wiz pretty easily if u use traps too

[late scroll]

ehh he can just get on archer

[faint dirge]

if both have high equip archer just gets one tapped

[fiery ledge]

always kills me that people complain about wizard invis running away

meanwhile in the vod they're all loud af

cant hear myself think

cant hear the wizard casting cuz billy bob jo dan is almost screaming

[lofty ember]

i think solo wiz going invis fireball kamikaze funniest shit ive seen wipe out my whole team

[fiery ledge]

"aloha snackbar"

[late scroll]

wiz + magic resist barb + chain lightning

[fiery ledge]

arc rod skeleton team

[late scroll]

if wizards base equipment wasnt so bad

he would prob have higher stats

but i think he has one of the weakest default equip loadouts at the start

while having strongest at the end

too much shit in his kit

[fiery ledge]

requires a spell book buy on base build and can be 1 shot easy if he doesnt pass a health check by barb and ranger pretty fast

Until most people get better I'd say thats a fair trade

[late scroll]

i mean i hope they leave him as he is but i doubt it

[lofty ember]

anyone else feel like shortbows kinda useless

[late scroll]

did not play much ranger

[fiery ledge]

Its not survival bow

So its useful to me

[late scroll]

seemed okay

yea

[fiery ledge]

But if I had my way its windlass and lbow every day

[late scroll]

nothing beats the wizards staff though

[fiery ledge]

Oh yes, #1 in melee damage

its multiplier is off the charts because nobody expected it to be used like that

cast ignite and 1 tap lich

[native cargo]

Can you guys check #d-and-d-suggestions and lemme know what your guys thoughts are on some additions to spell capacity, would like some feed back on that. Maybe it could be a thing or it wont. Doesnt matter i still enjoy the game

[late scroll]

i like it already read it

spell cap is kinda pointless rn

this can also just be fixed by more spells/higher cost ones

[native cargo]

it doesnt affect my gameplay to much but IT WOULD BE NICE to have it

[late scroll]

increasing spell cast limit would be nice

just dont like the current spell capacity because it does nothing past certian point

kinda same with knowledge

[native cargo]

yea theres no use for it atm

Just hope the devs can change that if possible

[white cliff]

Ah but that’s where you’re wrong, let me introduce you to running 10 spells!

[soft relic]

While I agree that spell capacity could use some work because it felt useless past a certain point, Wizard was already one of, if not the strongest of the classes. They would need to make other adjustments before allowing wizards to come in with even more spells than they already have. Allowing a wizard to cast invisibility or chain lightning even more times before needing to meditate could cause issues.

Limited spell casts is part of what is supposed to balance wizards. They would have to be careful with allowing it to be increased via gear.

[late scroll]

.shortinfo 1561884

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Kokkor#8995

Out of curiosity how many people are for/against VOIP?

I know that ironmace wants to implement it but honestly I feel like it is by far one of their weaker ideas.
My main points against it are:

-Toxicity/Random garbage in voice(music/screaming)

-Requires More Moderation on the dev part

-There will be more teaming. Sure betrayals will happen and that is fun but not fun enough to justify having a 2v6 scenarios (These scenarios are way more organizied that current teaming because of comms are much different than the current chaotic one)

-Very little actual benefits overall, resources to create voip could go to other things

Please do thumbs up or down if you are for/against vc. Im just wondering what general opinion is on this. Also if you got any extra ideas/arguments do @me.

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Suggestion ID: 1561884 | Submitted at · Jan 25, 2023, 4:41 AM

[native cargo]

This I agreed on as well while typing it up, some functions could be changed in my suggestions as this was all just piling up to me throughout the 1st-3rd playtest that we've been playing to make it even more balance, I know some things can be unbalanced but changes could always be made

[clear fox]

I think they should trial run with voip only in your team for pick up groups. People thought voip in tarkov would be exactly what you think it is now, but it turned out to be an amazing addition to the game.

[late scroll]

discord exists

for team only feels extra pointless

[clear fox]

it certainly does

[open ermine]

yeah but discord doesn't have that on the fly magic

[late scroll]

true

[open ermine]

there's something special about turning a corner into a team that is screaming like little girls at each other cause the wraith has them stuck ontop of a ledge that i would love to see/hear, though overall i'm fine with it being added or rejected

as long as the option exists to turn it off

[late scroll]

see that is my thinking as well

but teaming would just suck

because right now if there are 2 teams of 3

[clear fox]

teaming already happens my friend

[soft relic]

I think it will be used less for teaming and more for trash talk.

[late scroll]

they end up hitting each other, because lack of comms

more confusion and chaos

with voice it becomes much easier

[soft relic]

Besides, if people are using it to team up, it will let you hear what they are saying, too.

[open ermine]

on one hand yes i agree running into super stacks would be awful, on the other hand seeing a super stack and noticing they have a wiz, and throwing a fireball then invis potting so they think their alliance broke sounds enticing

[soft relic]

You'll hear their call outs.

[clear fox]

I think the devs are okay with teaming, the surrender emote kind of proves this

[late scroll]

i like it without voice

[soft relic]

I doubt most will even use voip. The few that do will be either trolls or teenagers with an ego.

[late scroll]

hence why they should spend resources somewhere else

rather than vc

idk cant see many positives

[soft relic]

Personally if they release it, I am going to record skeleton and wraith sounds to play as a stealthy rogue. 🤣

[late scroll]

for every few cool moments with it there will be more anoying ones

[soft relic]

Some barbarian screams too, maybe

[open ermine]

just use the binaural knocking sfx and kill them while they check their doors

[clear fox]

having the option to disable voip is the key. If you dont like it, dont use it

[soft relic]

Ooo, good one. And discord pings.

[late scroll]

man they used that thing in val on me

legit jumped

[reef cosmos]

Using voip should break your invisibility?

[fiery ledge]

yes

[soft relic]

What if you whisper real quiet?

[reef cosmos]

🤔

[upbeat pewter]

Why would voip break invis?

[tender magnet]

yeah lmao

[white cliff]

Normally I’d downvote the suggestion make classes unique because redundancy, but the problem with both wizard and rogue having invis is causing an imbalance issue. Take the upvote I suppose!

I genuinely think removing wizard invis fixes that imbalance.

[upbeat pewter]

I dont. Wizards invis is a great skill for the class.

[tender magnet]

Really?

[white cliff]

The current issue is wizard does rogue better than rogue.

[fiery ledge]

voip would break it because its an action

[upbeat pewter]

Rogue honestly just needs walking as standard. Theirs is far better for ambushes, which is the rogue playstyle. Wizards is for survivability, quick decisionmaking

Talking in DnD is not an action

If we're talking actions.

[white cliff]

Wizards invis coupled with haste and ignite allow extreme repositioning and ambush attacks especially in contrast with rogues limited steps, and lack of ranged abilities.

[tender magnet]

Speaking is not an action

[upbeat pewter]

Wizards probably need the speed off of theirs.

[white cliff]

I’m never taking about DnD mechanics or thematics. I’m talking about actions in game.

[fiery ledge]

Ok, then crouching shouldn't break invis either because its not an action.

[tender magnet]

??? how is talking an action in game then?

[late scroll]

nvm right person, mr beanz lore incomin

[fiery ledge]

Legs=moving=action lips=moving=not action

[upbeat pewter]

Crouching doesnt break stealth.

[fiery ledge]

It does if you're standing and enter crouch

[white cliff]

Oh I’m not talking about VoIP breaking stealth I ignored that lol.

[upbeat pewter]

Im quite sure it doesnt. Ive crouched many times, letting go of the key because im waiting over 10s

[tender magnet]

It doesn't though?

yeah lmao

[upbeat pewter]

You need to crouch to move again

[fiery ledge]

I dont use the movement perk. Nor did I say what I had because I was interested in the same thing being said to me twice.

[tender magnet]

If we're talkin the rogue's 10 steps he can also shift walk

Well, still, you can crouch while invis

[upbeat pewter]

I dont think the move perk is relevant. You can still crouch.

[fiery ledge]

Okay, four times.

By people who think VOIP doesn't count as an action.

[upbeat pewter]

Why would it count as an action though?

[tender magnet]

Yeah

[upbeat pewter]

What mechanical reason is there for it to destealth you?

[white cliff]

VOIP shouldn’t break stealth that’s just dumb.

[tender magnet]

If you put it as a suggestion I'd downvote your suggestion

[fiery ledge]

Because it's a command function. On top of that, you're asking for more permissions on a mechanic that is already pretty restricted. How much further do you want to open the gates before every other person wants a piece of gum?

[late scroll]

yea majority of people would prob disable if that was ever a feature

[upbeat pewter]

None of those are good reasons. Mechanically, in game, why does it need to destealth?

[white cliff]

Yeesh man, you and your weird analogies.

[fiery ledge]

Good talk.

Meanwhile you. Not offering anything substantial in return.

[white cliff]

You’re the one talking about gum….

[late scroll]

all classes can go invis. And you can also accidentally just turn on your voice.

[upbeat pewter]

I asked a question and you didnt answer it. Nothing there is related to mechanics.

[fiery ledge]

At least I'm bantering, you guys are just saying "its bad"

and nothing else

If you cant form ideas, thats fine

[upbeat pewter]

Im waiting for something relevant to rebut.

[fiery ledge]

you never had anything to begin with

how is it not an action then

[upbeat pewter]

But.. you havent given a reason worth it though.

[fiery ledge]

ill play devils advocate for your low hanging fruit idea

for a little bit

and why should it ignore the rules on stealth

[late scroll]

.showinfo 1561933

.shortinfo 1561933

[eager sable]

Suggestion from MrBeanz#0561

add more fantasy races!! trolls orcs goblins undead (ghoul) etc
troll have hp regen out of combat
orc have bonus str maybe lower resourcefulness ?
goblin have bonus gold gain and cheaper vendors
ghoul must eat 1 player corpse every 5 min or he will lose a lot max hp
and each race can have its own guild so orc have fighter guild
and in fighter guild u can practice in arenas maybe 1v1 pvp
and troll can have healer guild or shaman guild they can buy vodoo doll and black magic curses items ?
in game they can casting ritual for curse other player or maybe they can curse a shrine and break it ?
maybe it will curse all cleric in the game and then there its mini goal in the game ? troll shaman vs cleric, troll shaman want to curse a shrine and maybe defiled
but cleric want to defense it
and goblin will have auction house guild , they can use auction house service ? or maybe they can trade with other player for a lot cheaper so u can make goblin banking char or u can be dedicate banker for ur team and put item on auction house etc
so ppl who dont want to pvp can enjoy the game by play goblin until pve server or game mode come out
and for undead u can maybe make something with necromnancer ? like undead can join necromancer guild and in start of the game they will find all other necronmancer player in the map and they can team up or fight other ppl
and it can be kind of like faction system so undead vs dark magic shamans vs holy faction
maybe later they can put a lot of game mode for stuff like this when game its out and popular ? what do u think
a lot of this is ideas but i think maybe devs start with races first then every patch u can put a fresh idea so ppl dont get bored ? maybe new mechanic every season like this and dev make season every 1month i think? its possible i think
what do u think?

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Suggestion ID: 1561933 | Submitted at · Jan 25, 2023, 5:29 AM

[upbeat pewter]

Its not ignoring the rules though.

[open ermine]

good lord thats a long one

[fiery ledge]

good talk dude

nothing substantial

like i said

right onto block

[upbeat pewter]

Uhh.. .

[tender magnet]

lol okay guy

[white cliff]

You sir are a bit too eccentric for my taste lol.

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, if hes gonna be like this im not bothering

[rocky oar]

I can't be bother to read something that long

[fiery ledge]

Its Mr Beanz

he literally makes alt accounts every other day

[rocky oar]

Someone give me the tldr lol

[white cliff]

Sounds good.

Let me put on my cute little reading classes like I’m a little old librarian.

[rocky oar]

Lol

[open ermine]

i'd need to make bullet points

[upbeat pewter]

Suggesting races before races are out

[rocky oar]

Bet

[upbeat pewter]

Theres a tldr

[fiery ledge]

Why? He's literally doing a play by play of shows/other games

from League of Legends to Neverwinter to One Piece and more

Not a single original or deviated concept

He even did Lee Sin's QWER combo

[white cliff]

Yes we know, he’s been trolling for a while.

[fiery ledge]

Without breaking order

[rocky oar]

Jesus

[late scroll]

honestly ngl i love reading these

[fiery ledge]

Clearly not the other ones

[frosty creek]

what ? no its my ideas

[fiery ledge]

So you can stfu jkidd 🙂

[frosty creek]

why u make lie about me

[fiery ledge]

and stay on mute as per usual

[white cliff]

No I read the other ones, I actually have never seen you in my life. Lmao.

[verbal marsh]

I heard Brooke will be added to be game.

[fiery ledge]

heroin addiction @white cliff? we were talking yesterday

short term memory failing you that hard?

[rocky oar]

Btw, I just read your suggestion. A solution to toxity which EFT has done it by having VOIP turned off by default when you first download or play the game

[white cliff]

I mean in this chat.

[fiery ledge]

wait for it

[white cliff]

Before today.

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, theres really no reason for voip to not exist

If it can be turned kff.

[frosty creek]

i make a lot of good idea this time what do u think ?

[upbeat pewter]

At worst, it doesnt effect you

[open ermine]

GTA online has this, and to this day people don't know it exists in the PC version

[fiery ledge]

how are you today beanz

[rocky oar]

Lmao

[frosty creek]

good thx ^^

[fiery ledge]

how did you survive week 3 of your term?

[rocky oar]

Buffy the Pirate King who will find the Two Piece

[frosty creek]

what do u mean ?

[fiery ledge]

y'know, that roundhouse your dad launched

must of been pretty strong

[frosty creek]

what ?

[white cliff]

<@&988703997378584596> Anybody want to deal with this guy?

[frosty creek]

<@&988703997378584596> @fiery ledge is flaming me

[fiery ledge]

Dont forget to bring up your antagonizing as well

[rocky oar]

Bro

I just got in here

Wtf is going on

[fiery ledge]

same stuff diff day

[wintry forge]

All the wizards are down voting my suggestion.

[fiery ledge]

insincere children being children

[white cliff]

I’m not sure, this guy just started going off.

[rocky oar]

Like I said yesterday, there is always a fight every hour on the hour in this chat lmao

[fiery ledge]

Nah, I disengaged.

[late scroll]

hmmmm, again still requiers additional resources/moderation while it also might not make game any better.

[fiery ledge]

You literally can't let it go because you're mentally immature.

[late scroll]

wardens sleeping

[white cliff]

You’ve got to work on whatever issues you have going on man. A lot of unchecked anger. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[open ermine]

what do you think this is a place for discussions? this is the local brawlers guild

[frosty creek]

spiegel its not good to angry with other for no reason ok ?

[fiery ledge]

It was clear you had no interest in being genuine in talking about suggestions so I disengaged. You continued to want to talk @white cliff

[unique loom]

What is going on in hereeeee.

[fiery ledge]

Nothing at all.

[white cliff]

I had a fine time discussing for the last 30 minutes even after ignoring your random outburst in general.

[unique loom]

Allow me a moment to read up and issue out any sort of punishment required.

[late scroll]

can we mute spiegel for a bit

[white cliff]

Then you just blew up for some reason.

[late scroll]

needs to cool down

[white cliff]

Genuinely confused.

[fiery ledge]

See? You still cant let anything go. Not that it was ever there.

This is why I told you to stop talking to me and why I disengaged.

[late scroll]

<@&988703997378584596>

[unique loom]

This conversation ends right now.

Nothing more, thank you.

[frosty creek]

<@&988703997378584596> spiegel say my dad kick me wttf man....
and then he say im a kid after ?
so he make joke about a dad kick a kid... wtf...

[mint ravine]

Investigating. Please refrain from any further comments.

[upbeat pewter]

jesus, what did this turn into while i was gone.

[pseudo wing]

i'm not sure if an upvote or a downvote is pro or anti voip from that recent suggestion. There are a bunch of voip related suggestions in the past tho and voip has been pretty popular. Voip adds a ton to the game imo. So much more diversity of types of interaction with other players increases replayability a lot. And a report system + keybind to mute when needed fixes the vast majority of negative problems.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, as long as you can turn it off, theres no downside

[white cliff]

Yeah I don’t think a localized poll is indicative of what the overall player base thinks.

[upbeat pewter]

nah, definitely not. foolish to think so, really. the devs have stats to refer back to on what people want, based on testing (assuming they have set up to)

[wintry forge]

No, since at most there's around 150 max votes on any suggestion, but there were a million players.

[white cliff]

A million unique players doesn’t really mean active players.

[upbeat pewter]

the point stands though

[white cliff]

I think peak was 60k?

For sure.

[late scroll]

i just wanted to see others opinions rather

[white cliff]

Sample size is important.

[late scroll]

than gain any data

[white cliff]

I think there are two opinions.

[late scroll]

was just interested what some others thought

[wintry forge]

Even if it was just Discord there are about 50 thousand.

[upbeat pewter]

an upvote/downvote isnt what others think though

[white cliff]

One is that it’s going to be used for trolling, harassment, and toxicity and teaming, which breaks immersion.

The other doesn’t really care or wants it because one it can be toggled, or two because it adds to positive interaction and funny moments.

[late scroll]

true could have excluded that part out

[pseudo wing]

I require voip in order to become a roleplayer a week into each wipe after I have given up on being #1 on the leaderboard.

[white cliff]

Real and true.

[late scroll]

also kinda messed up my wording because someone may agree with my point and upvote even though they like vc

[rocky oar]

Dumb take. It's the internet guys, people are gonna find ways to troll people no matter what. Just add it in and allow the community whether they toggle or not and have fun the way they want to.

[late scroll]

prob should just remove that part

[white cliff]

I mean it’s a vehicle for enabling toxicity. It’s a fair point. I want them to add VOIP though.

So long as it can be toggled.

[rocky oar]

And then they will do the next best thing and just kill you and tea bag you.

[white cliff]

I think that’s different than having six man teams, racial slurs, and music blasting.

Could be just me though.

[upbeat pewter]

i dont even care about all that, assuming can be locally muted

as in, person by person

[white cliff]

Same, I don’t really care.

[late scroll]

feel like teabag is not even that bad idk why people get mad by it

i always find it funny

[white cliff]

He was asking for the different views points so.

[upbeat pewter]

the only reason to teabag is to annoy people

[rocky oar]

Lol, in this game I think 6 man teams would be more detrimental with them TKing each other in such small spaces lol

[late scroll]

but much more controlled comparing to now

[rocky oar]

Heaven forbid you go against a good Wizard too if your doing 6 man

[upbeat pewter]

how exactly would you do 6man though?

[white cliff]

I mean, in PT2 we ran a few five and six man games on OCE.

Not really a problem.

[pseudo wing]

allow 6 mans but force them to play as 6 wizards chained together at the ankle

[white cliff]

Connection was nice funny enough.

[rocky oar]

Lol

[proud bay]

Highlander, different map made with bigger rooms and corridors 🤷

[upbeat pewter]

not related to voip though

[real trellis]

ahh yet another user got baited into being punished by the mods over a beanz suggestion...

[rocky oar]

Lmaooo

[late scroll]

i mean right now would be using surrender emote no

[white cliff]

We where in discord. Equivalent to voip.

[upbeat pewter]

i dont think he was baited.

but the attitude should be banned

[real trellis]

When are they going to just ban beanz and his troll buddies so this stops happening

[upbeat pewter]

was being a bit of a douche before beanz

[real trellis]

Oh was he? Fair enough then

[open ermine]

i don't even think it's effective here since the spectator cam rips you out so fast

[white cliff]

Go check the context.

[real trellis]

scrollin'

[white cliff]

As much as beanz likes to make funny suggestions, he doesn’t provoke people.

[upbeat pewter]

not bannable douche, mind.

[maiden raven]

VoIP is a must have, you all want realism don’t you? But none of you are mutes in real life.
Toxicity isn’t a problem cause your playing a game about MURDERING people, what’s more toxic then that?
Give a mute player option in a lobby to stop the music players or a report function that bans players from VoIP if they abuse their privilege of playing a VIDEO GAME

[real trellis]

He comes in here and asks "why my suggestions get downvoted" as if he doesn't know

That's bait

[late scroll]

nah i dont want realism

[white cliff]

No, no I didn’t say I wanted realism.

[white cliff]

He started going off way before that.

[real trellis]

Oh yeah I'm seeing that now

But I meant in general, with beanz

[upbeat pewter]

beanz might be a child

[white cliff]

Yeah I suppose, idk it’s harmless comparatively to other people.

[late scroll]

nah a good troll

[vapid minnow]

He was banned for off server messages btw

by @unique loom

[late scroll]

as long as he doesnt spam suggestions i feel like its fine

[white cliff]

Yeah I noticed.

[vapid minnow]

who discussed mod actions in public

who broke mod rules

[real trellis]

"Beanz is not a troll lol"

imagine believing this

[white cliff]

Mods can talk about timing users out, happens all the time.

[unique loom]

This conversation ends right now.

[vapid minnow]

"Do not discuss moderation in public. Moderation decisions are final and are not to be discussed in the community channels. If you take issue with the way a moderator has handled a situation, please DM @Luci or @dawn grotto regarding your concern."

[real trellis]

There's no way he's young enough to think his suggestions are good

[vapid minnow]

I'm taking this up the chain, you banned someone for private messages.

I saw the messages too

[white cliff]

I’m going back to talking about the suggestions, I’m not touching this.

[proud bay]

Question for the room,

Do you think it would be beneficial for all the classes to have a Wizard/Cleric "spell" list assigned to E with limited uses and their Q ability unlimited but with a cooldown?

I feel like those two felt the most fun during test 3 to play around with because there was more to experiment/build. They felt more well rounded with options, and the different things you could do during each run felt good with the array of spells.

[unique loom]

That was your final warning.

[wintry forge]

A bunch of people come in here and ask what people think of their suggestion after they've posted it.

[upbeat pewter]

all? no. some as half casters? only with talent tree investment

[sweet blaze]

Yall, whatcha think of my crossbow ads suggestion from roughly 2-5 weeks ago?

[open ermine]

devs have addressed this, not all classes will have spell lists, but will get some workaround like scrolls etc

[white cliff]

I’d like to see what the talent tree entails first.

[real trellis]

My dude. He comes here day after day. Posts the most inane, rambling, unfitting suggestions. Then he comes to the discussion channel and acts like he doesn't know why people don't like his suggestions.

These are not the actions of a child, because a child will eventually learn to stop.

[open ermine]

potentially wiz/cleric and the magical interaction speed stat could be used for scribing scrolls who knows

[proud bay]

I agree in their current state for sure Darknesse, was pondering this today and wanted to come by and ask. Fighter also felt really good, but could see them having some limited use things that are more martial, throwing weapons etc that aren't equipment slots.

[upbeat pewter]

honestly, if prestige classes are a thing, its probs best not in taltents

[proud bay]

Fun haven't seen that yet

[real trellis]

Spell casting is very hard to balance I imagine

[white cliff]

Real and true.

[upbeat pewter]

multiclassing will be a thing, so classes dont need spellcasting

they can get it if they want

[proud bay]

it was less about "spellcasting" and more about having a wider range of abilities that only have a few uses

I feel like that play pattern is nice even if it isn't "magic"

[upbeat pewter]

id like rangers to have an elemental suppliment

like magic

[pseudo wing]

does the barb +10 axe dmg perk apply to throwing axes?

[white cliff]

In specific you’re talking about cleric judgment, and or wizard meditate?

[real trellis]

It applies to any weapon that has the word "axe" in the 'weapon type' space as best I can tell

[white cliff]

/holy light.

[pseudo wing]

i'm scarred from playing new world. many weapons and abilities don't do what they say in the description.

[white cliff]

I’m not a big mmo guy, I wouldn’t know.

[real trellis]

I haven't touched that and from what I hear I'm glad lol

[wintry forge]

I feel like a lot of time suggesting things and discussing suggestions could be saved if we had an idea what the training tree was. Hopefully we get it next playtest.

[upbeat pewter]

new world was a pretty badly done game in general

[white cliff]

Real and true.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, best to mostly only do serious chats about mechanics that are close

since its hard without them.

[proud bay]

I'm talking about the Spell "Wheel" that clerics and wizards get-

As an example (not a great one mind you but to illustrate)

Rogue poison, Lockpick and Disarm trap could all easily be "rogue spells". Have a few uses, spell knowledge etc. It would be a shift in the design for sure but I think it would help give them all their own toolkits options-wise during a run.

[upbeat pewter]

maps > classes are the next things?

[white cliff]

Oh no, that sounds yucky.

[real trellis]

I don't like the idea of turning a bunch of abilities into limited use 'spells'

[white cliff]

I thought your original idea was that clerics and wizards have unlimited use abilities so other classes should mimic that for pvp or pve uses.

[proud bay]

Reminder (and you may still feel that way which is fine ofc lol) that those abilities being turned into limited use 'spells' would also mean those perk slots would be replaced.

[white cliff]

This is an entirely different thing.

[pseudo wing]

they're going to add scrolls/wands which are kinda limited use spells

[proud bay]

Well all the classes have unlimited use abilities, that feels fine as is

[white cliff]

Yeah can’t say I get behind that idea.

[upbeat pewter]

a lot of abilities already function like perks, like second wind, ect.

[real trellis]

limited use "open/close door or chest" wand would be thematically appropriate but I'm not sure I want that to be a feature

[upbeat pewter]

like spells*

imo, spells are more comparable to weapons other classes have access to

[proud bay]

I agree! said a different way, sometimes I felt like rogue, ranger, fighter and barb got 2 spells and wiz and cleric got 6, felt "off"

that's a good comparison Darkn

:think:

[white cliff]

It adds a lot of needlessly complex class identities with doubles the skill or perk usage. While limiting what currently makes them unique, for reasons of making the game design feel cohesive across the board?

[upbeat pewter]

id honestly like the spell wheel to not take an ability slot

[real trellis]

Well, casters are always going to have more, and more flexible abilities than noncasters

That's just the nature of being a spellcasting class

[white cliff]

I don’t think the design of spell casting or wheel usage needs to be cohesive for the point of solely being similar.

I think it should be purposeful, which it is.

[proud bay]

familiarity is nice, but flexibility is very strong, as we've seen

[white cliff]

And therefore fine.

Differences are important too.

[upbeat pewter]

id honestly like a class button instead of ability choice i think

[white cliff]

You want your spell casters, ranged fighters, and melees to be distinguishable.

[upbeat pewter]

all classes get a button

casters get casting

rogue gets stealth.

then damage slot + utility slot

[white cliff]

Can I just say, I love productive discussion about game design. It’s just great honestly.

[upbeat pewter]

rogue current feels like lack of utility, because you have to pick damage.

[proud bay]

Does a ranger feel less distinguished if they have a scroll wheel with different types of arrow shots? I don't think it takes away from class identity at all to be cognizant of how powerful flexibility can be in a game with lots of moving parts.

[white cliff]

You feel as though rogue lacks utilities?

[upbeat pewter]

they have utility, but they kinda suck if they pick them

[white cliff]

Yeah but I think we come to the root of fundamental differences. I don’t believe the game needs double the moving parts it’s currently has.

I think the simplicity is okay.

[upbeat pewter]

i feel like that much more, behind a talent would be fine.

adding a baseline option to 'just do more damage'

with an alternate, more skillful side of more choices, for better damage, but not consistantly sounds like a good idea

[white cliff]

I suppose that would be the basis of my argument. One that giving the perks, useable wheel options causes a need to replace works which is a strain on the dev cycle, balancing, and overall identity. And then based on that, that it doesn’t need to be that complex.

If that makes any sense.

And hopefully doesn’t have typos.

[frosty creek]

@fervent lagoon i like ur suggest

[upbeat pewter]

i kind of feel like it would come under the balancing they'll already be doing, already multiclassing and talents

its not much more dev time, its dev time thats already needed

[frosty creek]

i think the game can use more fun game modes or play style like that for ppl to play with family and bad friends !

[white cliff]

Now where back to the whole, what’s in the class tree discussion.

[proud bay]

I'm also fine with simplicity, I fear balance issues between martial classes and spellcasters that occur in the games DaD is paying homage to lol. DND and other ttrpg's etc struggle with making them feel similar in power levels. Which again isn't to say they need to be the same! Meta's evolve and flourish from unfair choices, but long term I wonder if it will be harder to balance the classes with those moving parts without making the others more complex or the casters less so.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, thats the problem. ll class balance comes back to needing to know that

[white cliff]

Fair point.

[devout harbor]

give lich n ghost health bars y/n

[proud bay]

Just read yours, also fair point lol

happy to leave this as a "heard and disagree"

😄

[white cliff]

Indifferent, would want to discuss health bars.

Could be swayed either way.

[white cliff]

Yep, I think we just have different fundamental ideas on design, balance, and overall ideals. And that’s okay.

[devout harbor]

purely for the vibes, i think it would make the encounters more exciting

[white cliff]

I mean, not knowing and sweating it out is certainly more exciting.

[proud bay]

I really enjoyed not having health bars. As the hit boxes become more clean it is really fun to try and remember if you hit them in the body/arm/head etc

[white cliff]

If that’s the root of the argument.

No other enemy in the game has health bars.

[frosty creek]

guys

[white cliff]

Visually I could see it be a jarring change.

[frosty creek]

why this one is down voted

.showinfo 1561934

.shortinfo 1561934

[eager sable]

Suggestion from iChungry#8877

being able to join as a scav aka a skeleton or bat or something with limited inventory and equipment but can troll / pvp people.

Opinion:

-13

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1561934 | Submitted at · Jan 25, 2023, 5:30 AM

[frosty creek]

i think its good ? it dont affect other ppl but its fun

[devout harbor]

i dont really think that this would change, since they can both kill you instantly on 1 hp but it would be aesthetically pleasing and add to the moment

[white cliff]

I can see playing as a mob be funny, but not really fitting the game.

[proud bay]

Rather than health bars during combat I'd rather see a between game monsternomcion that listed stats etc. As you see monsters you can see what their hp totals are etc. Knowing a skeleton has ~roughly 300hp felt plenty for me, I wouldn't want to know how much hp what I'm fighting has though

[white cliff]

I think it affects other people because human and AI control are very different.

[slate tartan]

Fun doesn't equal good idea

[frosty creek]

why not ?

[devout harbor]

itd be game breaking honestly

[frosty creek]

it can be weak skeleton or bat

[white cliff]

Like I said AI not being able to reach you on a table, versus a player strafing, or hard tracking you is very different combat wise.

[proud bay]

Good chat folks, appreciate the responses on spells/perks etc, until feb!

[smoky yoke]

this is something i suggested in past once

[white cliff]

I like it for sure.

[smoky yoke]

a compendium of monsters, a bestiary

[white cliff]

Hunt has this.

[tender magnet]

Would love to see it

[upbeat pewter]

health bars can add something nice to the fight

[tender magnet]

Especially to have an idea of Hp for things

[devout harbor]

beastiary would be a sick side quest

[white cliff]

And you unlock chapters of lore by killing a certain number of them.

[upbeat pewter]

tention

[white cliff]

It’s great.

[frosty creek]

maybe make it so skeleton: do very low dmg, can carry maybe 2 rows of loot ? and very slow like a zombie
so u can just play with friend and follow them like this
and bat: do no dmg, and make it have fuzzy vision like drunk so cant scouting, and cant go too far from the friend

[smoky yoke]

👍

[slate tartan]

It's a terrible idea, hence the downvotes, just drop it dude

[frosty creek]

then its balanced and u can play with friend if u dont have gear or dont good at the game

u said its fun now its terrible ?

[proud bay]

👀 (I generally support anything in a game that helps players find information about the mechanics that helps limit requiring 3d party stuff to find things out, monster hp feels fitting, strategy on how to kill wizards feels fine as player created content) 🥱

[white cliff]

I think he said it’s funny.

[slate tartan]

I said fun doesn't equal good idea, I never said it was fun, you gotta read mate

[white cliff]

Real and true.

[frosty creek]

.

[frosty creek]

.

[slate tartan]

Read what tht says, where does it say "that sounds fun"

[frosty creek]

u said "fun doesnt equal good idea" means u dont agree altho its fun

[white cliff]

Flying as a bat certainly sounds fun, and funny. Being on the other end of someone wasd strafing as a bat does not.

Look at it from every perspective.

[frosty creek]

but if the bat dont do dmg ? then whats the problem

[slate tartan]

That's you assuming I think it's fun, assume less

[white cliff]

What would be the point in playing as a bat that doesn’t do damage.

[slate tartan]

Like talking to a wall

[white cliff]

Or a skeleton?

[frosty creek]

for fun...

if ur friends are 3 man party and ur not good at the game ? u can join them like this

[devout harbor]

if wizard gets new spells next test one needs to be a funny pushy wind spell 🌬️

[white cliff]

A skele-ton of fun.

But, I just don’t think it belongs in a hardcore extract looter.

[open ermine]

i'm more in the venue they add the Grease spell

[frosty creek]

why is there dog and cat in the inn while waiting for game ? it dont add anything to the game

[white cliff]

Sure, but I think practicing the game and joining in is better than being a spectator.

[frosty creek]

.. because its fun

[white cliff]

I actually like the story of Otto.

Well no.

It’s because one of the devs asked his sibling for money, and he and nothing in return to give.

[devout harbor]

nahhh, that doesnt even sound fun in practice

[white cliff]

So they ended up adding their dog.

Into the game.

[devout harbor]

what element would grease be

[open ermine]

what you don't want to pull people into sliding off ledges/into traps or for people who walk ontop of it tossing a torch/fireball into it to ignite it?

[white cliff]

Grease?

[open ermine]

grease is a spell from 5e D&D

[devout harbor]

maybe a grease bottle would be a neat item

as a spell idk

[white cliff]

Interesting.

[upbeat pewter]

id love the idea of more throwables

[open ermine]

lays out a 10ftx10ft pile of ignitable grease that makes the terrain difficult to walk on or applied to target to cover it in grease

[frosty creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_types do u know about this ?
its why popular games have character like mercy or yuumi, very easy casual character to play with friend or family

its why old game in ps2 or ps3 have side kick control that dont do anything like super mario galaxy

[devout harbor]

sometimes there is an idea so awful it doesnt need argued against

let well enough be 🙏

[white cliff]

That’s, actually a fair point.

But the game isn’t oriented towards those play styles.

Which is funny enough, why extract looters haven’t been super popular.

[frosty creek]

but competitive games last a lot longer if casual ppl can play

[white cliff]

They’re hard, sometimes downright unfair, brutal games.

[devout harbor]

i thought mario galaxy was pvpve extraction looter silly me

add lumas to dnd

[white cliff]

You’re actually not wrong.

But I mean take leauge. You seem to like leauge right.

[frosty creek]

@devout harbor u are being dishonest just talking without listening

[white cliff]

90% of players are gold and below.

They all play norms.

[pseudo wing]

if there is gonna be a mercy, it's gonna be bard. aoe buff spam and just run around in circles maybe. tho I doubt they build it it like that.

[white cliff]

Norms is the casual game mode, but fundamentally the same as ranked.

[devout harbor]

no i get ur point and kind of agree but practically it would be quite game changing and not for the better imo

[white cliff]

Same for overwatch.

You’re right though, competitive players are usually a minority in games.

But this divide already exists within normals and HR.

Though it’s a weak divide.

[devout harbor]

just check the stats sdf posted from last test

let the casuals live

[white cliff]

I like the one that shows first extracts.

The one outlier at 150 attempts.

[devout harbor]

lmaoo

[white cliff]

I was probably altering data in some way, I was having internet problems and I made a throw away character just to test if whatever I was doing was fixing it.

So many dead rogues.

😂

[fervent cradle]

Bro I’m watching blueprints vid on him playing this and ima buy it as soon as I can

[devout harbor]

its kinda fun 👌

[white cliff]

Blooprint played DnD?

Is it on his second channel?

@fervent cradle

[fervent cradle]

Yea

[white cliff]

That makes sense on why I haven’t seen it lol.

[fervent cradle]

It looks rlly good

[white cliff]

I’ll have to check it out.

[white cliff]

This game is a blast.

Welcome to the discord.

[fervent cradle]

How u get ea or is it out somewhere

Thanks^

[white cliff]

It’s free.

Free play tests.

[open ermine]

next playtest is gonna start sometime between feb6-13th

[fervent cradle]

Oh bet

[devout harbor]

on steam as a regular download during playtest days

[white cliff]

What this guy said.

[open ermine]

according to graysun we should have more info soon™

[fervent cradle]

Alr bet I need to re download steam tho😭 I like only play Val and mc

[devout harbor]

pog

[fervent cradle]

Pig

W

Pog*

[white cliff]

I hated steam for the longest time.

[devout harbor]

someone started spreading around a fake release date post

[upbeat pewter]

was bound to happen

[white cliff]

I never used it, it auto loaded and updated every time I tuned on my pc.

Felt like bloatware.

It still bottle necks speeds.

[fervent cradle]

It just took to much on my main drive and I just got an extra 4terabytes and yea

[white cliff]

Mad annoying.

[upbeat pewter]

i hate programs that do that

at least you can turn them all off

[white cliff]

Right now it’s Spotify, steam, pc stats, battlenet.

It’s horrible.

Epic games launcher probably.

[smoky yoke]

usually clients force updates for a reason

[white cliff]

Yeah I know.

[devout harbor]

its still cringe and dumb

[upbeat pewter]

ctrl shift escape, tab to to startup

and turn them off

[smoky yoke]

possible to pause them however

[devout harbor]

do it when i open

[wintry forge]

It's a good idea.

[fervent cradle]

Do you get too keep stuff from doing dungeons and does anyone know if you keep the stuff frow the. Game test bc If so ima play a lot

[white cliff]

It’s DnD tarcov.

[dull glen]

no

[fervent cradle]

Dang

[upbeat pewter]

the stuff you live with, you keep

[white cliff]

But no you don’t keep stuff from play tests.

[upbeat pewter]

die, you lose it all

[fervent cradle]

Oh Alr bet

[white cliff]

Besides whatever you have in your stash.

[devout harbor]

from dungeon to dungeon yeah but playtest data is wiped and there will be seasonal wipes in the future

[fervent cradle]

So rlly like rust bet bc that I play a lot like to much

[wintry forge]

Why do you want to make this more an arcade game than it is? Health bars make the game less skill-based.

[white cliff]

The only similarity is drop loot on death like rust.

[upbeat pewter]

health bars for the boss only dont make the game less skill based.

[white cliff]

It’s more like tarcov.

It’s an extract looter.

[upbeat pewter]

its not less skill to know its hp.

[fervent cradle]

Well I meant like wipes*

[upbeat pewter]

i feel like it add's tention

[white cliff]

Think, Hunt showdown, Tarcov. I actually think Rust has an extract looter server/mode.

[devout harbor]

i agree but i see why people think im just asking to make it easier

itd just look cool lol

[white cliff]

Warzone has one now right?

[upbeat pewter]

it wouldnt make the fight easier at all

fight would be the same.

[devout harbor]

yeah

unless its like your first encounter/attempt?

[upbeat pewter]

on all enemies it'd be a bad idea though

[devout harbor]

^

[white cliff]

I liked the lich, ghost king felt overturned this play test.

Really over tuned.

[devout harbor]

ghost king was a monster

[smoky yoke]

I don't like health bars because being unaware of health bars make you incline to hesitate.
meanwhile with the health bars, you can land final hits with no real worries 🤔

[devout harbor]

not even one of the t3 bosses

[upbeat pewter]

hp bar could even stop at 30%

and still have the same tention

potentially best of both

[devout harbor]

just hide the last like 10% behind an icon or border

[smoky yoke]

not sure why it should stop at 30% though
is there a game with similar health bars?

so i can check more about it

[devout harbor]

yeah but i dont really like it

[upbeat pewter]

the only reason i said that is so that you'd get the same feeling of hesitation

[white cliff]

The tension is, oh shit this thing doesn’t die in three hits. Oh god why is it not dying, what is this purple circle around me. Oh god I’m dead.

Please keep hitting it I’m going to lose my blue gear.

And then everyone dies!

[wintry forge]

Just remove the entire HUD.

[devout harbor]

idk man difficulty can be fun and not just outright inconvenient. but that's is in the spirit of the game like floor wall spikes i guess

like you have to die at least once to this thing deliberately

[upbeat pewter]

it also might make people greed for the kill, and die to that

[devout harbor]

theres no point in that

[white cliff]

A good suggestion would be increase trap reset time.

[devout harbor]

nah traps are fine

[white cliff]

You can set them off with torches but they instantly stab you again regardless of animation.

[devout harbor]

just saying this game is borderline with the way it approaches difficulty

[white cliff]

They’re places with unavoidable traps.

Floor traps specifically.

[smoky yoke]

in the maze?

[white cliff]

There’s a diagonal hallway somewhere.

[upbeat pewter]

oh, theres also a room in the north easy

[white cliff]

Or maybe an L corner?

[open ermine]

the 2tile one in the southwest part of the maze?

[upbeat pewter]

chest surrounded by traps

[smoky yoke]

there were some floor traps in the maze, not avoidable
but i think you can be immune with shield potions

i also saw that if you crouch you don't activate them but i should really double check about this

[upbeat pewter]

crouching avoided them 100%

[white cliff]

I stopped going into the maze period.

[upbeat pewter]

maze was the worst area imo

needs loot there

[smoky yoke]

nice

[white cliff]

I only ever found the middle once, by accident, and proceeded to die once the tiny bit of circle that was left for me expired.

[devout harbor]

maze was pretty ass imo

[open ermine]

exact opposite for me, i learned how to move over all the traps there cause i knew no one else wanted to so it was just ez ratting

[upbeat pewter]

floor traps though.. there are plenty of areas you need to take the damage to get past

not necessarily a bad thing

[devout harbor]

not true

skill issue

[upbeat pewter]

how do you get through them?

[white cliff]

Absolutely could be.

[smoky yoke]

same, I was just doing the entire circle just to avoid the maze
it's kinda risky

[upbeat pewter]

chest surrounded by traps.

[wintry forge]

Imo bosses having health bars makes them less intimidating.

[white cliff]

I never could avoid them though.

[devout harbor]

torch trick

[white cliff]

They reset for me.

[upbeat pewter]

they hit you anyways in my experience

[devout harbor]

or jump from a ledge

[white cliff]

Even with torch trick.

We’re talking about unavoidable one’s though.

[upbeat pewter]

jump from ledge gets you to the chest, absolutely

[devout harbor]

if ur talking about that secret bat room

[upbeat pewter]

now you cant get out

[open ermine]

that one U bend with the 2 consecutive floor spikes is probably what trips people up the most in the maze and causes them to die to the next bit where there's a medium level wall spike and a low level wall spike

[upbeat pewter]

without taking damage, i mean

[white cliff]

Yep.

[smoky yoke]

sometimes crouch jumping you can jump slightly more further

[devout harbor]

by the end of the playtest i wasnt getting touched by floor traps unless i didnt see em idk

[smoky yoke]

i also tried this as first thought but then

[open ermine]

the only way pass those 2 traps that i figured was throwing a torch onto the first and crouch jumping the 2nd at an awkward angle

[devout harbor]

its a really small window

[upbeat pewter]

i dont get hit by any traps i can dodge

[open ermine]

cause like you said they reset in like .2s

[smoky yoke]

i saw that crouching you take no damage
and also that shield potion kinda defends you for 1 trap

[white cliff]

Maybe I’m just bad who knows lol.

Sounds like I didn’t experiment with traps too much, I just started avoiding them.

[wintry forge]

I hate having to hold crouch.

[open ermine]

you basically have to throw the torch and begin moving right before it retracts

[upbeat pewter]

spotted the barb

[devout harbor]

if they lean into the "screw you" difficulty then at least we wont have to worry about balancing too much 🙏

[open ermine]

my timing might be slightly off due to my own latency being jumbled though

[devout harbor]

140 zaps inshallah

[smoky yoke]

the wall spike near the spider pot

[open ermine]

but i got it down to where i could reach the center without losing hp

and then you have to do it again in reverse to get out cause the center is 1way to my knowledge unless i missed a hidden switch somewhere

[devout harbor]

fighter should be able to spell cast lol

[upbeat pewter]

was the caged wraith trap ever worth doing?

seemed like suicide

[open ermine]

i never got to that room when it wasn't already halfway into the swarm so idk

[upbeat pewter]

it was a great room without activating the wraith

so i was there a lot. good fights

[smoky yoke]

they should make them retract slower when you use a torch
would reward people for keeping them
cause sometimes people forget to pick them up

[upbeat pewter]

i usually end up with so many torches that i need to delete them

not because i dont use them, but because i dont abandon them

[devout harbor]

me after requeuing with full gear and no torches

anyone know if skill tree is coming next test?

[upbeat pewter]

doubt it

devs said something about maps being next test i think

[open ermine]

very unlikely

[upbeat pewter]

maybe bard

[devout harbor]

rip well thats okay

[upbeat pewter]

i expect maps and general extra stuff (spells, few weapons, whatever the devs enjoyed making) next test

[devout harbor]

i really hope there's a few new spells

[wintry forge]

What's the maze you guys are talking about? I don't remember a maze.

[devout harbor]

mage mud pavise

[devout harbor]

you had a better time than we did 🙏

[upbeat pewter]

maze was an area south of wraith center room last test. loads of wall traps.

circle closed on it around half the time

[smoky yoke]

in the middle of the map basically

[fervent cradle]

Yo what they should at proximity

Add*

Yk*

[open ermine]

#development message

the 2nd map, center

[smoky yoke]

Correct

[open ermine]

very tight hallways, very dark, lots of traps and the reward is a 4-5 zombie/mummy ambush+4(?) chests one of which was locked if i remember right

[upbeat pewter]

you know what i miss? the center fight tower

it needed changing, for sure, but i liked it

[wintry forge]

Oh, I didn't realize there were 4 versions of the Crypt.

[devout harbor]

its an mcu poster with the dnd classes edited in

[magic warren]

that sounds hilarious

[fiery ledge]

was nice to see people run through the maze 🙂

Or the one zig zag hallway with the series of double floor spike traps and few wall traps

[rocky oar]

Spell memory should be something we have by default and instead we can add an additional spell memory if we wanted to instead of forcing both Wizards and Cleric to have to use one of their Skill slots for Spell Memory when everyone else gets to actually choose both of their skills.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, as i said before, imo, every class should have a class slot

and 2 others

[rocky oar]

Ah I didn't see that convo

[upbeat pewter]

wasnt really part of the convo, went mostly ignored.

not entirely sure what a class slot would be for most characters, but spellcasting, rogue stealth, barb roar, ect

[rocky oar]

It's just really lame we don't even have a choice and meditation is also essentially a requirement

[upbeat pewter]

yeah.

agreed.

if spells were a different slot, that would be much more bearable.

i honestly feel like meditate will be balanced more later, especially when more spells are added. using a second spell memory would be extremely worth it, if you could fill it out and not have 2 full lists of terrible spots

[soft relic]

They added that back in for high roller lobbies. Still really, really favored ranged players.

[upbeat pewter]

it needs changing for sure

so that it doesnt favour them so much

[rocky oar]

It's just one of those things to be honest

Range is usually favored in most situations

[verbal marsh]

we shall see. I would imagine if you're a well geared party you could just use campfires instead of meditate.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, that was kind of my point. right now, campfires arnt really enough, as you'd need a few to consistantly get enough spells.

with a second wheel, you would

[verbal marsh]

you're just use to using grey campfires, they're sub par.

[upbeat pewter]

the next up campfires last a little longer. its based on time spent down.

its better, but still not good enough

[rocky oar]

Even then

[upbeat pewter]

its not enough to replace meditate

[rocky oar]

I rather use meditate over purple campfire if that's even a thing because I can just insta click meditate and the more knowledge you have the faster it gets as well. You will also depend on your ranger to put it down for you if you don't wanna spend 10 years putting it down

lol

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, im with you there. the campfire takes AGES

instant spell is really good though.

maybe thats the problem. the alternates may just be too good atm for meditate to not be good.

[rocky oar]

I've never used it because you know, Wiz don't even have an actual choice for both skills if your trying to be a try hard

[verbal marsh]

main reason you're forced to keep meditate is magic missile is only good spell for killing ai

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i agree with you. its not a choice over meditate, because meditate is 100% needed.

magic missle is amazing for PvP

[rocky oar]

Facts

[upbeat pewter]

id argue that MM is still wizard's strongest spell, and was pre-buffs.

[verbal marsh]

If they added grease and flame arrow and a few other spells I think non meditate build would be viable. Just need combo power and spells good for clearing ai

[rocky oar]

Nah bro

We need Meteor Swarm

[upbeat pewter]

i feel like they'll add super strong spells eventually

talent tree and a minimum spell cap for it, more than the cost

[rocky oar]

You're right, we need Power Word Kill

[ebon delta]

But why stop at PWK? We need Wish!

[upbeat pewter]

lol wish would be pretty great.

[tawny lagoon]

Ignite with magic sword is very decent for pve, I only kill archers with magic missiles

[upbeat pewter]

being able to cast any spell in the game once would be pretty fun

the crystal sword is one of the worst weapons in teh game

better to take an offhand dagger and ignite that

[rocky oar]

facts

[upbeat pewter]

wizard wish -> smite +ignite

[ebon delta]

Sword have better range then dagger and cleave attack that helps with multiple targets in melee

[upbeat pewter]

sword has 1/3 or something the attack speed though

[rocky oar]

lol

[upbeat pewter]

and deals barely more damage

[ionic mango]

Dagger on wiz def the way to go

[ebon delta]

I think that at least staff is much worse then sword

[ionic mango]

Compared to crystal sword

[upbeat pewter]

staff > sword for casting

sword is awkward and hits walls half the time

ill take a sword if theres one there though

but wouldnt use if i had a melee weapon already

[ebon delta]

Not saying that sword is better then dagger, but imo it isn't the worst weapon in wiz arsenal

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i know. comparing it to staff now like you were. staff > sword for casting

[rocky oar]

But but

[upbeat pewter]

obviously better for melee.

[rocky oar]

It is the worse

lol

[upbeat pewter]

i get so annoyed casting with sword lol

[rocky oar]

I've legit left behind purple crystal swords cause it's just not worth

[ionic mango]

Someone out there would pay 3 euros for that

[rocky oar]

lol

[upbeat pewter]

i take sword, but every time i regret it lol

its like.. why am i using this

[rocky oar]

And that's why I don't take it

[upbeat pewter]

yeah

id really like some epic and up only items

can be stronger that way, but still be fine

[ionic mango]

Like items only available as purple and above?

[upbeat pewter]

yes

not sure if actually matters though, they can just be crap weapons early

[ionic mango]

Wouldnt be a horrible idea

As long as they are good/nice to use and not just purple for the sake of being purple

Like finding a purple crystal sword

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, they'd need to be mechanically strong