suggestion-discussion

[lusty wren]

5$ sounds reasonable to keep your gear after death? I like that one

Lets do that

[agile condor]

lol - sounds like a valid suggestion!

[fair copper]

Someone should make a suggestion to have shared spells for classes. (But thats its own can of worms)

[steady cloud]

the legendary armor ?

[fair copper]

Because if ball of light is shared then what other spells can cleric/wizard share?

[lusty wren]

Sure

[agile condor]

What about strong weapons though?

[loud matrix]

Since they want basically all classes to have spellcasting of some kind (excluding fighter), it's already a given that spells can be "shared" one way or another, really.

[steady cloud]

no legendary armor is 30$ per piece and it dont drop after u die or lootable

5 is too low

weapon is 60

[lusty wren]

Cant we just charge a flat fee to keep all gear after death?

[steady cloud]

no it will ruin the game

[lusty wren]

100 bucks a month sound reasonable?

Oh damn thats right

I forgot we want a fun game

[neon meadow]

game is now 1k you have best gear no one can loot you and every mob drops uniques

[serene snow]

it has to be subscription based or else cheaters will take over

[steady cloud]

if i have full legendary gear why i need this ?

[agile condor]

They can make the game even more fun if its $200/month!

[steady cloud]

its waste of development time

[lusty wren]

Low-key this one was funny

[steady cloud]

what ?

[lusty wren]

Nothing lol I dont want to get off topic #standwithemba

[fair copper]

I don’t think they’re will “shared” spells since it would remove what’s special for that class

Though i would like the cleric and wizard to share ball of light it isn’t possible likely

[steady cloud]

ok guys i will go sleep i have work tomorrow

bye

[agile condor]

Back on topic - buying legendary items $7/each #d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

Thanks for the link, now I can go upvote it quickly!

WTF is that ratio

LIKE!

[white cliff]

I actually love having games destroyed by a pay to win economy.

[lusty wren]

WHAT?!

[ionic mango]

the link gave it a downvote

cheers

[white cliff]

I’ll upvote it.

[ionic mango]

weve lost him ;_;

[agile condor]

It was a different suggestion, he's just allowed to edit and change the suggestion after the votes lol

[ionic mango]

Oh

lmao

[fair copper]

Thats a lot of upvotes for a pay 2 win

[lusty wren]

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

I didnt think about that

😄

[steady cloud]

people want micro transactions in the game

[lusty wren]

what a joke

[fair copper]

So its rigged?

[steady cloud]

i want it

[agile condor]

Devs said it's fine

[lusty wren]

How is that not deleted

[ionic mango]

cap

[lusty wren]

@opaque shore You guys are ok with making a suggestion garnering huge amounts of upvotes then changing it to something trolly after?

[agile condor]

Literally sent this in the mailmod, they like the suggestion lol

[vivid rover]

this is proof that microtransactions are not only necessary for the health of the game but also popular here

win / win

[lusty wren]

Seems to devalue the entire system

[white cliff]

Yeah not the hundreds of times it’s been downvoted.

[lusty wren]

Why not just remove vote at that rate

[white cliff]

Every desolant suggestion would prove otherwise.

[fair copper]

Pretty sure the devs don’t really look at our posts

[vivid rover]

liar liar pant on fire

[white cliff]

Good I’m glad.

[vivid rover]

they are implementing this as we speak

[timber sigil]

guys no reason to worry, the devs wont just accept dumb ideas because many thumbs point up lol

[vivid rover]

koreans know how to monetize

they will do things you cant even imagine

[lusty wren]

How do you modmail?

😄

[fair copper]

But my idea is dumb..

[timber sigil]

lmao this block list getting huge lol

[white cliff]

That sounds super racist but okay?

[timber sigil]

no its genius

[opaque shore]

Send a DM to @hallow granite, instructions should be in #discord-help

[white cliff]

Ironmace was created as an antithesis to Korean work culture, and gaming ideals.

[vivid rover]

thats the PR to real in f2p players, with the masses of those come whales too

[steady cloud]

💀

[vivid rover]

then when the whales are inposition they will man the harpoons

[white cliff]

They wouldn’t monetize their game like that, because they’ve already had the option to.

[vivid rover]

desolent is ready to be harpooned

and dunk on you f2pers

[loud matrix]

That's actually part of why I think it might be better for them to remove classes as a whole and instead use an extended perk/training system to tailor a class, since they already have perks that remove class weapon restrictions as well as plans to make spellcasting accessible to all classes but one.
It unironically suits that vision more to do away with classes entirely, even if it's moving away from D&D.

[white cliff]

The already could have released the game for $60 with cosmetics and made their millions.

[steady cloud]

they need time to make it ?

[white cliff]

Thankfully @steady cloud and @vivid rover are a loud vocal minority.

[vivid rover]

they have to move away from DND soon or get sued, yes

[timber sigil]

might be the same guy lol

[vivid rover]

WotC is changing the OGL for DND and starting to charge royalties

[fair copper]

Valid point

[white cliff]

I think they’re all in a troll chat group probably. They all upvote each other.

[vivid rover]

making a DND game is asking to get sued or pay 25%

[timber sigil]

rats of a fester rot together lmao

[fair copper]

Oh yeah that controversy

[white cliff]

Have you seen the new OGL statement as of recent?

[steady cloud]

i cant upvote suggestion i like now ?

or im troll ?

[loud matrix]

kek as if they haven't backpedaled on it already.
Keep up mate.

[steady cloud]

just like downvote a suggestion i dont like ?

[smoky yoke]

I like Ironmace as company because their ideas, and I think they can be really an example for future companies.

[steady cloud]

= troll ?

[vivid rover]

its a big nothingburger, theyre taking a step back while theres outrage then doubling down 2 weeks later when people forget

[white cliff]

Yes your a troll, go lick a window.

[vivid rover]

thats how these things always go

[smoky yoke]

So, rest assured.

[fair copper]

Most big companies won’t follow in their footsteps

[steady cloud]

<@&988703997378584596> hes insulting me again......

[deep nymph]

death

[granite plinth]

why does suggestions always get out of hand

[steady cloud]

why u dont stop insult me ? @white cliff

[white cliff]

Because you refuse to ban these people.

[proper crypt]

[white cliff]

So it’s a reoccurring issue.

[vivid rover]

too many rude kids in here who need to push their ideas on others and cant handle civil discussion

very sade

[fair copper]

Hi tiger🙇‍♂️

[lusty wren]

Can you confirm I did it right?

[white cliff]

I could clean this chat up in a day.

[loud matrix]

Except people have definitely not forgotten.
The nothingburger is thinking that there won't be further repercussions for WOTC.
And since Hasbro as a whole isn't doing all too well...

[lusty wren]

I think because we are not getting proper moderation of the trolls

[vivid rover]

all the more reason to double down and get what money they can out of their IP. you underestimate the greed of hasbro shareholders

[opaque shore]

You haven't sent anything yet, did you pick Dark and Darker as the server before sending?

[lusty wren]

It didnt let me I probably sent it to another server 😄

[vivid rover]

who cares if hasbro sinks longterm, they can make money short term then sell their shares

[fair copper]

As a mod?

[agile condor]

You tell us to block people, but you still show us their suggestions. You tell us to stay on 'topic' yet don't moderate the actual suggestions we're suppose to be discussing, so the discussions from those unmoderated suggestions get out of hand

[white cliff]

And then when you argue with them, which they have no intent of actually discussing, they ping you.

[vivid rover]

yes, every suggestion i dont like is... LE BAD

and should be banned

[deep nymph]

they do suck tbf

[opaque shore]

I can guide you through it, can you DM me?

[lusty wren]

I put a msg in the modmail, it asks me to click the button. I do so it verifies me and sends me back to discord. I must be doing it wrong

[white cliff]

Nobody said that, but bait suggestions paired with insulting and argumentative chat is considered trolling.

[fair copper]

My votes almost tied. Who will win? #d-and-d-suggestions

[white cliff]

I don’t know if you need a dictionary or what?

Would that help? @vivid rover

I can make a suggestion to help them fund you some new reading material.

[vivid rover]

you need to go back to middle school and learn how to have a conversation beyond throwing a tantrum

people have different opinions

things you disagree with arent automatically bait or trolling

[deep nymph]

wrong

[white cliff]

You don’t have the ability to hold a conversation.

Oh wow a thirty second slow mode, that will fix the issue.

Thanks wardens great job.

[fair copper]

Ayy you got a role. Welcome wizard

[deep nymph]

thanks bruv

[steady cloud]

thx mods now hopefully people wont be toxic ?

[loud matrix]

And ironically, the more desperate they are and the more they try, the less they make out of it and the less likely they are to succeed in the first place.
It's not like that hasn't happened before. We've seen that plenty of times.

[vivid rover]

You should make it a 6h slow mode here like in make-suggestions <@&988703997378584596>

[white cliff]

There he goes trolling again, keep pinging you’re going to cop a timeout eventually.

[vivid rover]

your metric of success is different than that of the shareholders who hold the actual decisionmaking power. to them a success is reporting profit this quarter and selling their stocks

[agile condor]

Inb4 I'm banned for all this for starting discussions around suggestions loll

[proper crypt]

@vivid rover @white cliff Guys drop it and move on. Let this serve as a warning.

[steady cloud]

u always need mods to give u warnings so u stop being toxic and rude ? @white cliff

[white cliff]

Friendly fire activated. Like always. Instead of dealing with the trolls you’re just going to threaten the people who want to discuss things, what a surprise to nobody!

[vivid rover]

wah wah everyone i dont like is a troll ~ jkiddddddd

[loud matrix]

I wonder why a random guy who doesn't seem to talk in this channel would make a suggestion like this. 🤔
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

I’m expecting some type of timeout today. Inevitable at this point. You’ll probably get one too.

[fair copper]

I don’t wanna be a jerk but don’t you have work tomorrow.

[agile condor]

I've given up on this channel lol

[steady cloud]

im business advisor i know how to manage my time but thx for reminder 👍

[fair copper]

Naw hold up.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message lol - they just don't care at all
"Hire the rank 1 player of the final playtest for the balancing team, he can be CEO of esports."

[steady cloud]

its good suggestion ?

[white cliff]

I’m going to move to game discussion, not dealing with slow mode.

[vivid rover]

yes? a good player would be a great addition to the balancing department. league of legendes does the samo

[agile condor]

Are we allowed to discuss the game being $50/month or $60/month there? lol

[neon meadow]

if wanna balance the game, just add a scale

[granite plinth]

I cant afford that much... mby something like $10 would be better?

[white cliff]

I mean we’re discussing the game.

[steady cloud]

60 is good

[vivid rover]

it needs to cost enough every month to keep kids out at least

[fair copper]

I’m thinking if they had a subscription system it would be. $15

[plucky crown]

agree

[lusty wren]

Huge help! Thanks

[granite plinth]

Not everyone is from america. Some people like me are from the hood and some are asians with less income

[steady cloud]

i am from asia i dont see problem with 60 ?

[white cliff]

Here’s two more to add to your block list. @granite plinth @plucky crown

[vivid rover]

ok? well DND is an american game by wizards of the coast. this is our culture

[shadow scaffold]

Agree. Monthly costs should depend on your country of residence

[agile condor]

@fast prism I've already asked about this, they won't do anything lol #d-and-d-suggestions message

[plucky crown]

who is this jkidd guys?

[granite plinth]

Someone toxic, just block him and have our civil discussion

[lusty wren]

One of the more rational people here 😄 (OOF SLOW MODE)

[timber sigil]

holyste is like deso dont engage m8

[white cliff]

First time I’ve seen you type in this chat instead of posting a troll suggestion. Let’s go take a look at your last suggestion.

[agile condor]

Someone that wants actual discussions about suggestions, not endless trolls lol

[plucky crown]

sorry i dont usually have time to chit chat, some of us have a job

[lusty wren]

👆

[white cliff]

You have time to dump about three suggestions a day though. I’m also very blessed my job pays well enough where I have free time to talk about things I like too!

[granite plinth]

We are, what do you think of $60/month? Is it justified cause its an american game based on american oncome?

[shadow scaffold]

Lmao, cringe

[neon meadow]

It's a troll, don't take the bait

[plucky crown]

yeah nice profile picture, what are you? junior mall cop?

[white cliff]

I’m a 3D artist and animator. It’s why I like talking about the game so much.

[granite plinth]

Oh, so the troll is that the number is too high?

[vivid rover]

lol art is over, AI took your job. thats why you can post here all day lmao

[neon meadow]

paying monthly is the troll at all

[white cliff]

There’s AI animation now? Crazy! Haven’t heard of that.

[plucky crown]

you would have if u werent here 24/7

[lusty wren]

<@&988703997378584596> Now that the trolls are bleeding into this chat can we do something about it please? Ruining the vibe of the place

[vivid rover]

paying monthly is necessary for live service. that or microtransactions. the devs need to pay their bills

[granite plinth]

I dont see why? There are games that do subscription. I can name some like WoW and FFXIV. But they do like ~$10 a month?

[agile condor]

Not worth it, back to suggestion discussions!

[white cliff]

Yeah what do you do that allows you to troll 24/7? I’m curious.

[shadow scaffold]

And we all know how successful and developed wow is because of it

[steady cloud]

no one is trolling... its just u disagreeing with people so u call them trolls

[glass ibex]

personally i prefer pay a decent unic price like 40 $

[granite plinth]

It has had around 15 million continuous players for 10 years and now around 5 million.

[vivid rover]

if dnd can be half as successful as wow im willing to pay 5x the subscription fee, its a fair trade

[fast prism]

damn kinda annoying tho tbf

[neon meadow]

Those are MMO's. Which is a much different game. There is no looter shoooter that is subscription based

[plucky crown]

it happens when u work on animations of UE models 12+ hours a day just to get to end of the week

[shadow scaffold]

Because they all suck, pardon my language

[agile condor]

Several of us tried to help this channel, but the mods just threaten us to get back to discussing troll suggestions

[steady cloud]

maybe he can farm legendary and epics items from dnd and sell them ? he can make more money this way ?

[granite plinth]

Maybe they can add a battle pass and that would justify subscription

[timber sigil]

Emba stop pretending your good gone bad, your just as bad as them all

[plucky crown]

maybe think so? even tho game is probably gonna be too expensive for him to enter

[lusty wren]

Thanks mods for taking action on that suggestion! ❤️

[steady cloud]

maybe he can take a loan 👍

[neon meadow]

Just the amount of effort an MMO takes to keep it going justifies subscription based model, games like this more or less require little to no effort to maintain

[opaque shore]

Not discussing about "troll suggestions" is the best thing you should do.

[vivid rover]

this reminds me of my friend fanis who took a loan to buy axies and farmed money in axie infinity. he became an SLP millionaire.

[shadow scaffold]

Way to disparage other people's work

[opaque shore]

Go and give the real suggestions more shine, talk about them. Ignore the troll ones while we handle with them.

[granite plinth]

With all the suggestions by the community, it would take years to implement and for devs to have motivation to implement with time is by having subscription model.

[plucky crown]

guys i go eat sushi bb

[neon meadow]

"Because they all suck, pardon my language" - that was you bud.

[timber sigil]

go read the QnA they said they are most interested in a style like Dead by Daylight and the likes, one price then dlc, but are undecided justy leave it to the devs

[steady cloud]

i love subscriptions u guys ever had that raid in wow and then u get the msg 30mins left on sub ? it make my heart beat soooo fast i had to run to the store to buy a sub!! those memories i will never forgotten

[granite plinth]

Oh so like instead of subscription, u pay for base game and then for every new update u need to buy their dlc?

[shadow scaffold]

Molten core 2005... good times

[timber sigil]

Lol those memories and the ones on this cord, the highlights of your life Desolent, and yes @granite plinth but its not set in stone

[steady cloud]

back when the game actually needed skill and teamwork...

[frosty creek]

howdy

[granite plinth]

Idk this sounds worse than subscription because u already paid and then u get outpatched

[vivid rover]

good morning sir bean, we need your help to determine the right price for a monthly subscription. i suggested 50$ / month but desolator wants 60$ / month and a battlepass. what are your thoughts, sir?

[timber sigil]

no mate this size of game does not demand a subscription model, it goes beyond what can be elaborated here, but I suggest looking up the pros and cons of different monetizations redacted was telling you true that you cant subscribe to a looter shooter its anithetical

[frosty creek]

guys i cant edit my suggest ? i want make my arrow only 1 per game .. but it can refresh by cleric near a shrine
plz keep this in mind before down voted

[neon meadow]

#trollchat

[agile condor]

Are you worried that this might reduce the number of players?

[agile condor]

Been trying to do that for weeks with 0 support lol... like what are you even talking about

[granite plinth]

Demand and supply, there will be less players but the devs will make breakthrough with less players because more costs

[loud matrix]

This happens regardless if they are being engaged or not, since they engage each other, causing that kind of discussion to bleed into others. Just saying.

[lusty wren]

TBH I think even a box price that is too high would reduce players. I think 40 is a great spot for it. (One time purchase) and then do DLC/Expansions (trying to make it a real convo at least LOL )

[granite plinth]

No dlc is worse because u are paying for game and then u need to pay for updates. But sub u are paying for game like a loan continuously until the game becomes bland because devs not updating.

[loud matrix]

It's kind of why I barely engage this chat at all, really.

[agile condor]

Same with many others I'm sure

[lusty wren]

It used to be a great place to discuss... Sadly its becoming a troll fest

[timber sigil]

Your not wrong Proxy i agree, ignoring the L takes littering the floor, dlc adds a nice blend of content and longevity

[lusty wren]

For sure, even small things like titles. Id pay for a sick title 😄

[agile condor]

I mean, the mods quite literally defend the trolls over others, it's almost comical

[timber sigil]

@lusty wren see I dont want silly DLC, I want to have the next set of maps be locked behind a 10 pay and boom new year of content blended in, maybe throw some skins here or there, but meaty DLC's that bring more than it takes from our walltet

[granite plinth]

Guys can you keep discussions about the game?

[lusty wren]

Ya, id like to keep as much SILLY out of the game as possible tbh

[timber sigil]

Or better yet, they could do DLC for classes/ multi classing thus giving you a reason to want to pick up more expanded classes down the line for more options/builds

[lusty wren]

Multi classing scares me a bit. Balance wise

[open ermine]

this is sorta what i expect when i saw they were looking at DbD as a pay model example

[opaque shore]

@frosty creek @steady cloud @vivid rover While I do understand that your suggestions are also valid, please read the room next time when everyone is not acceptive of them and move on. Let's try to be respectful towards each other instead of baiting / trolling users. If the chat is getting toxic over your suggestions, It is a clear reason to drop the subject and talk about other suggestions. Thanks. 👍

[timber sigil]

I agree with the multiclass worries, the main focus should be on different unique classes that stand better on two unique feet

[lusty wren]

Agreed 100%

[smoky yoke]

I wonder if there would be some sort of bestiary in the game in the future.
checking stats, lore descriptions, it's something i suggested before and I'd like to see it.
I think it does make sense because it would help to understand some breakpoints.

[lusty wren]

I would love a bestiary

[open ermine]

it'd be nice for fluff sure

[lusty wren]

I am a lore fiend though

[smoky yoke]

Me too, there are many monsters with different HP because the variants, so it would make very sense.

If i'm not wrong, in HR dungeons also they do have different HP.

[lusty wren]

I think itd be cool to find little notes from past adventurers and such like that also. Little lore tidbits strewn around

[wintry forge]

It would also help if people ignored "troll" suggestions instead of calling them out and complaining about a lack of moderation. I like the concept of ignore it and move on to another topic, which the mods keep suggesting.

[smoky yoke]

yes, @lucid root suggested that as well iirc, finding some notes and you gradually unlock the infos of the monsters.

[lusty wren]

OH ill have to find it and upvote it

[smoky yoke]

and something i'd like to see it's also some sort of combat record.

[lusty wren]

Id like some basics stats. Like survive ratio, and some of the basic stuff that say tarkov has (as in stat collection not other gameplay features)

[smoky yoke]

Oh, sorry, I meant they suggested here when discussing about the bestiary (compendium) original suggestion.
at least for what i remember

[opaque shore]

This is very very valid. Everyone should honestly just ignore the suggestions that are horribad.
If they break any rules make sure to send them through #discord-help !
We will deal with them.

[lusty wren]

OH got it 😄 Thought I missed a suggestion

[lucid root]

has been summoned

[lusty wren]

Like clockwork

[smoky yoke]

Indeed, it is always good to avoid creating conflicts.

[shadow scaffold]

Agree

[lusty wren]

I will start using this more now that you fixed my issue with it 😄 thanks again

[lucid root]

stat track skin for my staff, just an led screen taped to a piece of wood

[opaque shore]

You're always welcome. It helps us Wardens a lot! 😊

[smoky yoke]

Yes, always use the modmail bot.
Never discuss about moderation in public nor creating conflicts.
Just a friendly reminder for everyone.

[lucid root]

i think we're all set on suggestions complaining about suggestions too

since when was there a timer in this channel

[lusty wren]

I know it hurts, but it was needed earlier IMO

[opaque shore]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Although this suggestion is really wholesome, I will have to disagree on that one @shadow scaffold 😭
It's a cute suggestion but they have way more issues they should handle currently than any cosmetic / easter egg

[dense girder]

The 10 second timer will stay. It will go away when people can have a normal conversation about dnd discussions without trolling, throwing insults, or being rude in general.

Thanks for understanding

[lusty wren]

DaD! get it right 😉

[smoky yoke]

[shadow scaffold]

Ty I feel it'd incorporate the true spirit of the Warden for the community!

[lucid root]

i'm fine with that, 10 seconds is just long enough for you to think about what you just typed, let the gears turn before you hit enter

[lusty wren]

It also cuts down on me constantly hitting enter as is habit and making like 4 msgs in a row 😄

[opaque shore]

🥹

[lusty wren]

I really like this emoji with the capital A looks cool

[smoky yoke]

[smoky yoke]

my heart

someone res me plox

[mossy ruin]

I want cleric to feel better next PT 🙏

[lusty wren]

Oh this one is cool also. May have to get nitro just to use em elsewhere 😄

[lusty wren]

In what way specifically? Was my favorite class

[mossy ruin]

Solo

[smoky yoke]

perhaps fixing the target 🥲
like if you cast healing to dead mobs, rip spells

[lusty wren]

As long as miscasting on the enemy is still possible

[smoky yoke]

yes

i dont mind that actually

[lusty wren]

I loved how you had to actually think about your spells in order to not heal the enemy

[smoky yoke]

because that can be tactics to be honest

like a team fighting pve mobs, and then you as cleric you heal the wraith lol

[lusty wren]

Ya, I have had people see me precasting and try to step in front of me. Was very well played and outplayed me in that situation LOL

[smoky yoke]

and they have to deal again with the wraith

lol

[opaque slate]

i dont think you can heal the undead

[smoky yoke]

i think healing pve mobs is fine, because it could be used as tactic
but once they are dead, imo it shouldn't work

[lucid root]

does healing them do damage?

[neon meadow]

you can, shield them as well

[smoky yoke]

you should be able, because if i'm not wrong, there are 2 different healing spells

[neon meadow]

only the cleric's big heal

[lucid root]

thats how it works in final fantasy, idk about DaD, heals damage undead

[smoky yoke]

1 healing does heal but does also damage, and the other one just heals

depends by the target

was like holy light and the other lesser heal?

[smoky yoke]

yes that's why imo it can be great
but imo the spells they shouldn't work to dead mobs, just that imo the real problem

[neon meadow]

lesser heal will heal anything including undead, holy light dmgs undead and heals people(probably non undead monsters as well)

[smoky yoke]

yes, i think so too

imagine wizard casting invisibility to enemies lol
is that possible? i guess it is not

[open ermine]

it is i think

[smoky yoke]

"tactics"

oh well

[neon meadow]

It is

[open ermine]

wanna say i did it by accident once when i was trying to invis a friend

[neon meadow]

You can buff enemy npcs

[smoky yoke]

i think it's fine then

yea this imo should be a mechanic

it should be intended

[open ermine]

it took some adjusting to at first but honestly i've come around to like being able to misfire like that

[neon meadow]

buff ghost king with haste when an enemy team is in the room

[smoky yoke]

simply because it can be a problem for the opponent team, if they are dealing with pve monsters
not always reliable in the end

[mossy ruin]

Were Cleric heals projectiles with travel time? Or were they hitscan with an inaccurate animation?

[smoky yoke]

lol

[smoky yoke]

to me felt hitscan

but not sure

[lusty wren]

Ya was no delay from cast

[neon meadow]

probably hitscan

[mossy ruin]

So leading my teammates was a failure on my part when trying to buff?

Cause the graphics looked like something traveled forward

[lusty wren]

LOL, Id say so

Though it did feel a bit forgiving if you were just barely off of them when you cast

[smoky yoke]

also the AOE spell mica vista julian, in first person you can't really understand the range tbh

only if you see clerics with a different point of view

like you as another class watching them

[mossy ruin]

i mean its massive

[smoky yoke]

mmh, in third person yea, at least for me

for what i saw

watching other clerics, i could see the range
but once using the cleric class, in first person i couldnt tell at all the range

[lusty wren]

It took me a bit to get it down for sure

[smoky yoke]

when i realized it was very massive the range, i just started to use it without worries

because in fact the range it is very good

now i do wonder, does that spell works to the people that had a skeleton skin?
technically that may be a future race, isnt skeleton an undead?
does mica vista julian works?

[lusty wren]

We ran wiz/barb/cleric alot and we would just buff the barb and watch him slaughter everything. From time to time hed get super far ahead so id have to learn the range to not scuff a heal

[smoky yoke]

i say spell but technically it is a miracle

[nova nest]

no, it doesn't work against players with the skeleton skin

[smoky yoke]

there's already judgement anyways
but i wanted to understand

[smoky yoke]

ah ok, i see

[lusty wren]

I think it had issues when players were tagged as a skeleton but they fixed that pretty quick

[smoky yoke]

i do wonder if all monsters are undead also

but iirc there were some that aren't

like the mosquitos as someone said once, but i may be wrong

[kindred raptor]

Some just seem like reanimations

Like the flying skulls

[lucid root]

i guess everything is undead huh

demons are alive, right? so the demon dogs are alive

[smoky yoke]

i was thinking about that too, originally.
someone said once that mosquitos aren't undead but dunno

[lusty wren]

Ya demon dogs are alive and are demons

[smoky yoke]

so they take 0 damage?

with mica vista julian

[lusty wren]

From my one test yes

but I didnt do exhaustive testing. Just did it once

[smoky yoke]

maybe they do have so many hp that it doesn't seems though

[lusty wren]

It didnt seem to work so i never did it again

[smoky yoke]

like the skeleton champion
needed like 4 or 5 mica vista julian
So many hp, more than 300

[lusty wren]

Took the same amount of shots from my barb buddy with and without it

(But again it was a limited test. I didnt bother with it after that. So maybe I missed? 😄 Doubt it but its possible)

[smoky yoke]

perhaps in the B1 monsters will be different, and not all will be undead

so the builds at least are different...

[lusty wren]

I hope to see some humanoids like bandits

[smoky yoke]

it could be cool

[shadow scaffold]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/monsters-series-bundle yeah most of the monsters are undead right now

[lucid root]

i feel like we need some giant disgusting rats in the game

[smoky yoke]

yea, i'd like too lol

[lucid root]

like the size of a big dog

[smoky yoke]

i'm a fan of vermintide, so i agree

skavens, bery nice

[lucid root]

skeevers!

[smoky yoke]

cool assets

[white cliff]

Is this the asset pack they used for their models? They look incredibly similar.

Spider, skeleton, mummy, the wraith is the real stand out.

[lusty wren]

Ya, this is the pack I thought they used also. Had found the dungeon one also I think

[opaque shore]

It is most likely. The game does run on Unreal Engine and these assets are no mistakes with how similar they are!
Having these assets cost the same as a PS5 is pretty cheap as well, very nice of Ironmace to have used them.

[lusty wren]

Ya, there are some really good packs out there

Great for indie devs to utilize them IMO

[shadow scaffold]

Kinda makes me sad that the devs can't even afford more than the 400$ version of the pack, rly makes the people suggesting subscription based look like they care about the devs income

[opaque shore]

What's very interesting though, is that the creator of the pack has made models like this one. 👀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnj0yXxPdKk

[opaque shore]

There's also the cost of maintaining servers, advertisement, marketing, public relations, and all the yadda yadda of maintenance a developer team needs to keep all that up without losing their playerbase

[shadow scaffold]

20$ I think it's fair, make it so people from poorer countries pay a minimum fee of 5$

[opaque shore]

I actually would agree with you there, I'm from South America and since 2008 inflation has made dollar go from 2.5x to 5x, It's pretty horrible.
Although I would pay for anything inbetween 15$ to 40$, just because I do love the game tons.

[shadow scaffold]

prob might be better idea to only make EU / NA pay for it, i imagine 15$ is alot in South America

[lusty wren]

Well, 1+ million people played the last PT. Lets take half of that. 500,000. If that many people pay 40 dollars for the game that is $20,000,000 This should give them plenty of leeway to create DLC/Expansions

[agile condor]

I think if we raise the price to $200/month though they could afford even better assets & better servers

[frosty creek]

@opaque shore can u make it so we can edit suggest with out 6h cd ? my last suggest is down voted a lot becouse i cant edit it

[opaque shore]

That is not possible. Sorry.

[frosty creek]

.<

[rancid pebble]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1065731391196778546

any one mind sharing their opinion on this?

[lucid root]

Arena mode?

[frosty creek]

is this better ?
sacred stun arrow : a holy arrow bless by a cleric. it start with 1 charge but can buy more from new vendor (the priest) he will bless arrow but expensive like campfire
it will do a lot of dmg to undead, but no dmg to player but it is silent and will stun enemy for 0.5-5s. it will stun for more if it is longer range shoot but lower in melee range
if shoot ally it will heal 30hp
also it should very slow projectile but dont affected by gravity

[lusty wren]

I just dont like the idea of splitting the playerbase. The stipulations you put on it are interesting. But not sure if it quite pushes it to an acceptable division or not to me

[rancid pebble]

Ye i see, similar issues to solo queue

[lusty wren]

Agreed

and I do not think solo queue should exist either.

[rancid pebble]

a gamemode like this could be too camp or kitchy

[lucid root]

i think an arena mode people would also get too good really fast, i like people sucking at the game for as long as possible

[rancid pebble]

Lol, that was another point my friend made where it would be fun/help people who want to get better at PvP without losing gear

[lusty wren]

I didnt even look at it from that angle. The division of playerbase was enough for me to say no and move on LOL

[lucid root]

takes longer than 3 seconds to que for match

[rancid pebble]

if that happens im crying

[lucid root]

lol

Having instant que times is so nice

[rancid pebble]

I need instant gratification, im gen z in 2023

[wintry forge]

@mortal carbon I like this suggestion. I don't agree with all of your points, but I know how to read required and optional arguments. I agree with your required arguments.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

Queue times of the last PT were so nice! Main reason I stopped playing Tarkov is because im not waiting 5-10 minutes sitting around every raid

[lucid root]

i'm entitled to everything because i'm a millennial

[rancid pebble]

To this day I have never watched or played tarkov, is it good? It seems extremely popular out of nowhere

[agile condor]

So many people have left now, queue times are back down to like 1-2 min but generally I agree. Tarkov is a, play a 30 minute raid, spend the next 30 minutes in stash/queue till the next raid

[lucid root]

there was just a wipe i think thats why

[rancid pebble]

"So i did a thing, I worked 4 hours and will literally die if I don't play DnD 🙄 " (I gaslight all millennials)

[lusty wren]

It can be, not a fan o this last patch. But it has a very steep learning curve

[rancid pebble]

It reminds me of Day-z

[lucid root]

its not gaslighting, i literally will die

[rancid pebble]

lmao, true and real

[lusty wren]

Ya, I normally am not the type to hate downtime. But it just bugs me how long it takes. Cant get the bad taste of a shit raid out of your mouth fast enough LOL

[agile condor]

downtime is fine, it's just wasted time - let me use my stash in queue, check my hideout, practice shooting, anything lol........

[rancid pebble]

why did they put slow mode on our channel :[

[lusty wren]

This would be so amazing

[lusty wren]

Was a bit trolly earlier

[rancid pebble]

I missed it damn

[rocky oar]

Lol, it got intense earlier

[lusty wren]

LOL Emba ya I guess a bit is a bit ( 😄 ) of a understatement

[agile condor]

I was just trying to discuss the $50/month suggestion lol...

[lucid root]

only 50?

i'd easily pay my rent twice over

[frosty creek]

well i think subscription is good idea because f2p players are noob ?

and also for stop cheaters

[rancid pebble]

never played a subscription game before, kinda worries me

I dont like the idea of more things in life becoming rents

[lucid root]

90% of them failed lol

[opaque shore]

There will always be cheaters in every game, the Devs are looking to insert anti-cheat measures in their game.

There will most likely never be a subscription feature in Dark and Darker as it is against their best wishes.

[lucid root]

really hard to get a subscription game off the ground

only the founders have really maintained it, runescape, WoW

[frosty creek]

hmm maybe up front cost then ? like $ 30 for the game

[open ermine]

FFXIV

[frosty creek]

so ppl dont cheat and make new acc and cheat again

[rancid pebble]

the devs mission statement is super promising

[opaque shore]

That will be the case, they are planning on that.

[open ermine]

i don't particularly care for it but i think that one needs mention since it was at deaths door

and managed to come back and stick to a sub model

[opaque shore]

I think the game was even more promising 😭 Their statement is just a huge bonus

[lucid root]

$40 usd, alongside regional pricing. thats my hopes

[mortal carbon]

Thanks, it seems its to difficult to give your ideas here without them being shot down without a proper discussion, i mean im open for a healthy discussion about the topic in question, there is just so much more to it, than what can be said on paper.

[white hinge]

$40 seems too cheap?

[rancid pebble]

I have honestly never seen a game like this before. Every aspect is so beautiful, the pre-EA community is so loving and enthusiastic of the game already, its almost like it has this underlying quality that is just endearing.

[lucid root]

i don't think so 😐

its on the cheaper side, but not too cheap

[rancid pebble]

I wish I could trade thousands of hours of minecraft, csgo, overwatch, and every other game just to grow up with this game. It has a fairy tale and true dnd feel that is lacking today, the brain needs this kind of magicalness. :3

[opaque shore]

We are all suffering withdrawals for a reason

[lucid root]

i think if you started with this game growing up you wouldn't have liked it as much

[rancid pebble]

another day I wake up with no DnD

[rancid pebble]

maybe, I think that minecraft had a profound effect, but it isnt new. The same thing happened in the 80s with arcades and DnD, in the 90s/00s with quake, doom, and cs, and then minecraft in the 2010s

Art history, all history, is super cool. And gaming art history is really unique I feel like. It is a mix between mass media and hobby yknow

[lucid root]

liked isn't the right word...appreciated?

[rancid pebble]

that i can agree with

[lucid root]

I'm curious how Activision is going to botch up a clone of this game

[open ermine]

probably not looking into it at all

[lucid root]

Sprinting! Vaulting! Super sick animations!

[open ermine]

they skipped out on battle royals entirely when they could have repurposed the idea of heroes of the storm into one

[opaque shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91y1OnPCiEE

Giant rats and vampire class? 😱

[rancid pebble]

stop...

[lucid root]

Mmm 🐀

[rancid pebble]

you WONT believe what their secret is!!!?

[opaque shore]

Imagine vampire class turns into a bat

[rancid pebble]

And we get a cool cape finally

[lucid root]

Could incorporate it into a mobility skill/gap closer

[rancid pebble]

who up turning into a bat

[opaque shore]

It's so nice to dream about the future of this game 😭

[lucid root]

Inb4 the studio shuts down and we never get to play it

[open ermine]

yeah im excited to see how they handle future classes

[rancid pebble]

borg stop, there are lines you dont cross

[lucid root]

Sorry sorry

[rancid pebble]

also can anyone here confirm if bard will be in next pt?

I was under the assumption no but have heard contradictions several times

[open ermine]

they want to i think? but it's not 100% if it'll be ready

[lusty wren]

Sounded like a no to me 😄

[opaque shore]

They said I need reason and evidence to ban someone... I think this is good enough

[open ermine]

i'd err on the side of bard won't make it, just so if it does it'll be a nice surprise

[opaque shore]

(I'm joking 😭)

[lusty wren]

Q: What is the next class going to be?
A: Bard is the next target. However it will probably be too hard to include them in the next playtest. The instrument should be fun for the bard and everyone else.

[rose lantern]

Oof, i didn't notice that when reading of the q&a.

[rancid pebble]

Yes that was what I went off of, but then some guy I forget who argued intensely that it was confirmed without evidence. Should have stuck with my gut

[smoky yoke]

we need a minotaur, to be honest

[lusty wren]

Ah the trust me bro source. Ya always better to just dismiss them 😉

[smoky yoke]

what dungeon crawler is without a minotaur 😄

[opaque shore]

Imagine running away from a Minotaur in B2 only to go down and find the Centaur on B3 😭😭😭

[smoky yoke]

some boss that always keep chasing people

i can see it a minotaur, it does indeed fit with the game
maybe some boss that can patrol the area, dunno

[opaque shore]

In the mummies room, where the huge chest is in the middle

Replace mummies with huge Minotaur

[lusty wren]

That is one of my favorite rooms

[white cliff]

As a cleric that is one of my favorite rooms too.

[opaque shore]

Same here, I remember rushing to aggroo all the mummies, I lead them out of the room, came back to loot everything without any mummies 😂😂😂😂

[rancid pebble]

they def need a melee boss

[white cliff]

Also $400 for a full pack of rigged assets is an incredible deal. Those models take hours upon hours to make and rig.

[opaque shore]

Seems wild to me how cheap it is.

[rancid pebble]

that room is where I got my first purple

[lusty wren]

There is also a static lockpick close to that room

[white cliff]

I saw the comment that suggested that they could only afford $400 worth of assets but they’re high quality and pre rigged which is fantastic.

[rancid pebble]

in the hall way?

[lusty wren]

Ya one of the hallways arond the corner

[white cliff]

Yep.

[opaque shore]

Honestly I'm a little colorblind so to me Blues and Purples are one and the same lmao

[rancid pebble]

the stats are often the same too 🙄

no one can mess with the +3 att greens tho

[opaque shore]

They are, It's a pretty awesome deal, I wonder If they plan to pay for full rights

[white cliff]

My guess is they did.

They’re probably just not utilizing them all.

[opaque shore]

You can still buy it from Unreal

In the Marketplace

[lusty wren]

Exclusive rights would be nice, but I dont feel its a need tbh

Maybe contract that person to make future mobs thatd be cool

[opaque shore]

I agree, although If the game gets insanely huge It would be a must tbf

[restive rock]

Who would be up for the idea of giving the cleric a longsword of some kind? If not a common one, then one with holy inscriptions, at least.

[opaque shore]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdqMAc4yutn8Bq8Kb2lotwA

They have a fricken' Minotaur model

[open ermine]

probably gonna be reserved for paladin

[lusty wren]

Ya, i saw that. It looks cool

[smoky yoke]

we are not sure if they will use all assets they bought, but who knows.

the spiders they do fit though

the giant ones, i saw

[rancid pebble]

Anyone know some in depth data mine lists? I only know bits and pieces of unused code and names in the game. Could learn about what they are gunna use those models for

[opaque shore]

Imagine having to fight some of those goofy lookin Ogres

[restive rock]

And yet I still think it would be desired by players.

[lusty wren]

A more refined fish man from this person would be cool for the forrest

He has a low poly one I like

[opaque shore]

Just add everything. 😈 I want all the mobs.

[lusty wren]

Would be cool to have like a little pond in the forest that has these guys

[open ermine]

probably, but as far as weapon additons go for clerics i feel like next would be quarterstaffs or talisman/idols

Holy swords to mirror wiz's crystal swords def feels like a paladin staple kind of thing if it were to happen

[lusty wren]

Ya paladin with a 2hnd sword is great

Some form of holy sword so they can cast buffs without swapping would be nice (less potent ones than cleric)

[smoky yoke]

I'm afraid to ask you to not discuss about that topic sorry.

[lusty wren]

I think defensive gear though needs to scale better to have a good paladin

[smoky yoke]

[10] - Sharing any information that is data-mined from the game is prohibited.

it is ok to talk about the assets of the game bought in the unreal engine store, but do not discuss about information that is data mined from the game. 😄

[restive rock]

I’m saddened that I disagree.

[rancid pebble]

OK, seems a bit authoritarian but I dont mind

[lucid root]

i feel like a crystal sword could also be a paladin weapon, aren't crystal weapons basically just to help amplify whatever damage type the user has?

[white cliff]

I mean it’s just bad because it encourages people to steal code and assets. I know it may seem harmless, and it’s cool to know what they’re working on. But it’s already caused some damage.

[restive rock]

Between cleric and paladin, it is the paladin that would be the inferior spellcaster.

[opaque shore]

It really isn't, that discussion can easily escalate into illegal talk. There's a reason It's against the rules.

[rancid pebble]

There is a reason for all things, I will not discuss it on this discord

[lusty wren]

I never read the rules, but not surprised that is in there. Seems pretty common

Though I do like hearing about those tidbits found haha

[smoky yoke]

Thank you, it is against the rules of the server.
respect the Ironmace decisions.

[open ermine]

i mean i can't argue that especially in D&D 3.5e where CoDzilla was a thing, but as far as which holy warrior typically runs around with big swords it's always pallys

[rancid pebble]

Its like a lot of things, when used in the application of learning and furthering valuable things it is useful. Since I have never datamined I never considered that some could use it for nefarious ways or to do illegal things. I guess some people steal code too for their own games

[white cliff]

Yep, stealing is bad.

[rancid pebble]

like jkidd said, which is interesting. Is their copyright laws for code?

[runic musk]

Woulf you steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?

[rancid pebble]

I know that lots of the internet is open sourced from the ARPAnet days, so I would assume you would have to apply for a patent

[runic musk]

Check mate liberal

[opaque shore]

If this game was open sourced then you would be able to datamine it. It's simple as that.

[white hinge]

No because Kant said not to

[white cliff]

In this context I’m stealing code from a video game, not bread for my family.

[rancid pebble]

Kantians win again

[opaque shore]

Let's not escalate this into more than It is, no more data-mining and / or politics! 😭

[rancid pebble]

lmao

[smoky yoke]

Better to change topic, sorry.

[runic musk]

I mean it depends on what you do with the code

[rancid pebble]

philosophy then?

[white cliff]

But yeah code is something somebody’s created.

[smoky yoke]

suggestions 👍

[white cliff]

Yeah, I can’t talk about the context.

[rancid pebble]

well discussion around discussions allegedly

[runic musk]

Legit terrorism if you cant talk about it

[rancid pebble]

Although ive always been a bad person, I don't use music channels to queue music

i put .play in any damn channel, 21st century anarchist fr

[white cliff]

I mean it’s a private discord, the moderators can moderate how they like since it’s a private entity. They also still have to follow the discord EULA.

Also legit terrorism is a bit of an exaggeration.

[rancid pebble]

yea they can do literally whatever they want, I respect Ironmace too much to care, but always read datamine articles for other games since it furthers lore, and mechanics, and understanding in general. Then again I was a nerd who tried to understand command blocks soo

[runic musk]

Exaggeration is my essence

[white cliff]

I shot you a direct message.

[rancid pebble]

[10] - Sharing any information that is data-mined from the game is prohibited. Also, please do not discuss the formation or participation in private servers.

I saw, I deleted it

[opaque shore]

Last time I will warn not to talk about it in here. 👍

[restive rock]

If paladin becomes the one to acquire a spell-focus sword, we won’t grumble.
If a cleric and a paladin went toe-to-toe, logic would dictate that the cleric loses in physical prowess. And I have no problem with that.
A cleric with a sword is a cool concept, it is all I wish to communicate.

[white cliff]

Yeah sounds good.

[rancid pebble]

sim claro meu amigo

[smoky yoke]

[7] - Messages should be kept to English for moderation purposes, except in specified language channels.

[rancid pebble]

lmao

[smoky yoke]

🥲

[rancid pebble]

You should change your name

it may be difficult to @ you

[runic musk]

This server is just like 1984

[rancid pebble]

nah not at all, they just have to do their job.

[smoky yoke]

If you have issues please always DM me, or create a ticket in #discord-help!

[open ermine]

understandable, all im saying really is based on old tropes you're more likely to keep getting bludgeoning gear really since pallys have a dominated market on blades, you could still pitch your suggestion and see if it changes things up though i wouldn't be shocked if they gave clerics a mirror of the crystal sword at all tbh

[rancid pebble]

I just like when moderation gets defensive and speaks robotic instead of natural, see how they just get very formal.

[runic musk]

Yes im gonna ask my overlord to check themself

[rancid pebble]

also people say that paladin is just a form of cleric

[runic musk]

But for real any progress on suggestion modeation?

[rancid pebble]

does that mean that they will respec the perks for cleric between monk and paladin?

[open ermine]

yeah atm you can just build a pseudo paladin with the right skill/perks so who knows

monks not so much, monks are very different than the other 2

[granite plinth]

I think the people who keep complaining about mods are trolls. Theyve been complaining about mods for 4 continuous hours and not using this channel to discuss but call anyone disagreeing "a troll" and "mods not doing their jobs" for not removing disagreements

[rancid pebble]

I feel like they may have overlap, never played much Dungeons nD so idk how those classes work

But i feel like the brewmaster perk would work too well with monk for them not to shuffle perks around

[open ermine]

the monk sees every other class with weapons laughs and proceeds to do a flying kick and punch someone 10 times in 1 second

[opaque shore]

Hey! Just because I'm a robot doesn't mean you can discriminate me like this 😭 (I'm joking)

[rancid pebble]

omnic discrimination is not a joke, speak up!

[restive rock]

You are correct. I will propose the suggestion. Have a blessed day.

[wintry forge]

I up voted it. I don't see any problem with having scheduled tournaments.

[rancid pebble]

do you think gear should be standardized or brought in at tiers like 'white max', and legendary max lobbies?

[lusty wren]

If ur doing turneys arena style I'd say standardize gear

[rancid pebble]

thats what I would want. Any class 1v1 and you can pick between some presets

[open ermine]

for tournaments def some preset

[rancid pebble]

although I can't imagine any rogue or barb going into a tourney like this

[lusty wren]

Base gear is a great ttk for arenas even if I don't want em lol

[white cliff]

There’s a tournament scheduled around Valentine’s Day already. Hosted by cross current.

[lusty wren]

These are community ran tho right?

[runic musk]

Tbf tournaments should be far and few between, rather see a rotating style of gamemodes during eventfull times of the year

[white cliff]

Community ran yeah.

[rancid pebble]

nah rotating gamemodes is so chic and boring, overwatch did it and its for sure bias, but i respect arcade grinders so little

with this game I believe fewer gamemodes is better, so the fact I suggested arenas is pushing the barrier

[white cliff]

You’d prefer static ones with low player counts?

[white hinge]

I love that movie

[lusty wren]

I would hate these events causing slow match times in normal play

[rancid pebble]

Low player counts aren't necessarily dependent on amount or variety of gamemodes

Diversifying can bring in a lot of different people, but I feel like it is different

[lusty wren]

If these event modes give rewards I'd say it'd slow normal play down quite a bit.

[rancid pebble]

Like if I have a mobile app t hat has 12 games on it it may be expected to have 12 times t he amount of players for a mobile game with only one thing like a platformer

but that is most likely not the case, will have to read some research about it, especially pertaining to competitive desktop mulitplayer games

[rancid pebble]

they mentioned wanting wipe proof rewards like perhaps trophies, but they also said it may not happen and they will have to see

[white cliff]

Leauge refuses to have perm any game modes because they know it will take away players from their normal horrible game.

They’ve removed so much content over the years.

[lucid root]

what are the tournaments like?

[stark parcel]

how do i make a suggestion?

[smoky yoke]

#1048762118255673428 and you should be able to see the command to perform a suggestion.

[white cliff]

Kill race tournaments, normal lobbies, set gear rarity. 5 rounds, most kills wins.

[rancid pebble]

teams basically queue at the same itme, have to wait the whole game

series of rounds, team with most kills on extract win

[rancid pebble]

No offense, but I dont think data from league is pertinent or to be taken seriously. its league...

[white cliff]

Very fun.

[white cliff]

It’s also one of the most popular games ever created?

With insane revenue.

[rancid pebble]

At the best you are describing a self building skinner box of revolving gamemodes that can never be permeneant, and never allowing meaningful gameplay

[white hinge]

Yes I also think it would be good if this game was more like league of legends!

[white cliff]

I’m not saying I support or enjoy it.

[rancid pebble]

Then why advocate based on it as evidence?

[rancid pebble]

true and real, many people are saying this. I need the rogue 60 % sexier

[white cliff]

I’m not I’m just bringing it up as an example.

[white cliff]

A certain group of people. Are saying this game should be more like their favorite moba.

It obviously holds some type of merit if they’ve consolidating the player base into one game mode, even know the rotating game modes specifically urf are more popular.

[rancid pebble]

I mean even the highroller normal thing split people

[lucid root]

what do you guys think about races instead of tournaments?

[wintry forge]

I play lots of short solo games, and people are always complaining about those games costing too much for the playtime ($10-20/2hrs), which I'm fine with, but I think with a subscription Ironmace could lose a lot of players who are concerned about cost.

[rocky oar]

Then go play your favorite moba? like wtf xD

[rancid pebble]

Would also be cool if it was officially from the game

[neon meadow]

well at first Hr was just not even worth doing, then they beefed up the loot tables

[white hinge]

High roller seems kind of contrived

[white cliff]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying, but they’re sent in by a specific group of people over and over.

[rancid pebble]

I agree. I would also rather just pay the amount up front and Know I can always play instead of a month or two where I forget to pay, or cancel, or can't

[white cliff]

Real and true.

[rancid pebble]

it sort of is, with B1 it will maybe be gotten rid of or changed since each layer will have harder mobs

[white cliff]

I remember HR being empty. Closest we got to pve.

Contrived in what way?

[rancid pebble]

Do people think/know if B1 will be only normal mobs, B2 the red skelly tier mob, then B3 nightmare mobs only?

[neon meadow]

HR was good at the end of the playtest, but before that it was pretty trash

[rocky oar]

This needs to stay however, it allows for casual people to be able play the game without feeling like they are gonna get destroyed by tryhards non-stop. Also, a lot of people are not good at the game (casuals) and die to AIs still. Imagine if highroller was the norm and there was no other mode. People would quit if they can't even stay alive.

[lucid root]

weekly race idea, once all the floors are implemented, everyone starts in forest and whoever makes their way to the last floor and kills the boss first then extracts first wins. No waiting timer between floors either, just port and go

[white hinge]

The entry cost was too low. I feel like it should cost real money

[white cliff]

They’ve talked about that the bosses on B3 aren’t even meant to stay there and are meant to be on B2, current floor.

[neon meadow]

Someone was saying b1 will be the normal mobs from b2. Then probably reds mostly on b2 and blacks on b3

[white hinge]

Maybe $3

[rancid pebble]

As much as i love a challenge I completely agree. There needs to be a, relatively speaking, easier path for people

[white cliff]

I feel like you where giving normal suggestions and where a completely reasonable person a few days ago. Idk what changed.

[rancid pebble]

Most games have ranked vs unranked, but in this game good players have a much bigger chance of trolling in unranked since there isnt and most likely wont be MMR

[white cliff]

I’m a major hypocrite when it comes to mmr honestly.

[rancid pebble]

Like if you have a kitted out veteran that has to run into normals, not only will they not be getting good loot and therefore it is worthless to them, they also could potentially ruin the games of 15 other people

[neon meadow]

HR is a better system than MMR. MMR ends up being noobs vs good players and the match takes twice as long to find

[white cliff]

I really enjoy pub stomping, but I just started playing apex recently and was getting cooked for my first few games. And was like why is there no sbmm!

[rancid pebble]

could be super cool, rogues would do good by running through fast

[white hinge]

True I suppose high roller is an alternative to mmr queues

[rocky oar]

Let me correct yall. The difficulty of current B2 is what the difficulty will be for future B1. Bosses of current B3 will move to future B2 and future B3 will have a different boss. As far as I know they wanna do a dragon but they are unsure. It would work though since it is a big box room.

[lucid root]

does PoE still do races?

[white cliff]

We’re too in sync, I just typed this lol.

[smoky yoke]

MMR 👎

[white hinge]

Yeah still races, and I think you can do private league races?

[rancid pebble]

You enjoy pub stomping? Cmon man thats ethically irresponsible. And ye i just started apex last month and it is really fun when it doesnt crash, but too many tryhards play in normals

[white hinge]

Ethically irresponsible? It’s a game lol, stomp pubs it’s fun

[rancid pebble]

yea but what about the PvE mobs, will they all be as it is now with nightmares rarer?

[rocky oar]

It's exactly as I said. That's all I know.

[white cliff]

I do, but I’ve also played games competitively and for tournament money. Though, just practicing aim in pubs and seeing how many kills I can drop is always fun. My intent isn’t to be a low elo terrorist usually…

[rancid pebble]

Look man If I went and played youth soccer rn it would be so morally wrong. "lol im just pub stomping" put it into a wider perspective. I know you are baiting a response but still

[rocky oar]

Norm and Highroller is still a thing

[smoky yoke]

did you see the animations of those assets on youtube? the zombies can jump. Lol

[rocky oar]

Norm still gonna be very easy compared to highroller

[smoky yoke]

AI tweaked and fixed

[open ermine]

guess we know what the ai upgrades will be then

[wintry forge]

Why don't you want sprinting and vaulting?

[smoky yoke]

yea probably, but to be honest, they could do everything.

[white cliff]

I think it’s normal for people to crave power structures, now we’re getting a bit too philosophical but people enjoy feeling powerful, rather than fighting fair.

[smoky yoke]

it depends how they implement mechanics ect
and if they do fit

[lucid root]

because you're supposed to rely on stats and skills to move faster, not a sprint

[rancid pebble]

^

[white hinge]

I’m not baiting a response I just think it’s off base to call it unethical

[rancid pebble]

Two response. 1 you provide no evidence on how it is ethical in any respect, and 2 "ethics are subjective" so we are both wrong and right

[smoky yoke]

to be honest the map is developed in a way where in some spots enemies wont hit you, and it may be intended for "some" spots

but stuff like where you can just go at the top of a chest, should be reworked in some ways.

[rocky oar]

Cheesing spots is put into the game on purpose I'm pretty sure.

[rancid pebble]

I wonder where the AI hits from

[smoky yoke]

enemies somehow they lose aggro nor can't attack you.

[open ermine]

true there's a good amount of vertical design in the maps which i really like and it makes for some fun jump movement

[rancid pebble]

As long as spiders cant climb walls to kill me from on top of a box we are good

[open ermine]

probably also for the future flying thing that was mentioned as well

[rancid pebble]

especially in inferno, its real nice

[smoky yoke]

There are clearly some spots intended, like the library where you are safe.
the thing is that, most of classes won't cheese because they are melee only.
only some classes may benefit from those.

[neon meadow]

I think spiders being able to crawl will be added eventually, which will alleviate some cheesing

[white cliff]

With verticality comes a power imbalance though.

[rancid pebble]

That is terrifying

[smoky yoke]

imo spiders are fine to be cheesed, it is a mechanic

[white cliff]

Especially for ranger classes.

[rancid pebble]

spiders already have somne of the most kills

[open ermine]

and i guess rangers can get their jump spell to be able to hop up between floors on specific rooms

[white hinge]

Spiders crawling would be a lot of dev work for not much gain

[rocky oar]

Imagine trying to deal with giga buff Centaur without cheese spots. Your only option left would to have to run a class with a shield to body block doors to let your range kill it.

[rancid pebble]

I believe spider mummy is top 3 Entity to kill players

[white cliff]

They added the wheel back to HR near the end, and it was really bad to play against 3x rangers with 12 traps each.

[smoky yoke]

like, don't get me wrong, but spiders should remain like that.

[white cliff]

With a height advantage.

[smoky yoke]

mechanic = get at the top of the pot, kill at least 2 then destroy the pot and kill the final spider.

[rancid pebble]

I really hope they dont let spiders climb up, they are the only melee mob that deserves to be cheesed

[neon meadow]

Everything shouldn't be cheese able, IMO. If spiders can craw up and you place a few spider spawners straticgally. you can have wraiths be a little harder to kill

[white hinge]

Instead of crawling maybe a weak ranged attack

[rancid pebble]

Ik ive said this before but the line between cheese and mechanic are thin and up to interpretation

[smoky yoke]

there are some spots of the map developed vertically where enemies can't reach, things may be subject to change in the end.

like the library for example

[white cliff]

I’d say it’s up to dev design though.

[smoky yoke]

you can jump at the top with the ladder

[lucid root]

stands on a barrel
nothin' but skill

[rancid pebble]

Like that one spawn in the sewage room with the pressure plate chests, is it cheese if you stay up there and longbow every enemy in 45 seconds?

[white cliff]

Literally any type of verticality.

[rancid pebble]

skill issue

[neon meadow]

ya, but the library has two fire mages which kinda stop you from just going up

[white cliff]

Cheese, I run the heck out of that room ASAP.

[rancid pebble]

lol, PvP in that room is so boring, but on ranger its free loot

[smoky yoke]

many spots make sense to me. they are also useful to ambush, other players in pvp.
others don't

[open ermine]

i ran out of the room every time, never stay in the toilet room

[smoky yoke]

yea true

[lucid root]

my favorite loot piñatas

[smoky yoke]

who knows how many secret spots we didn't see in that map

[wintry forge]

Which is what we do in this game?

[rocky oar]

I found out from a video I saw that there is literally a secret entrance under the pyramid room with all the death skull mobs

[white cliff]

I meant stealing code lol, but we where asked to stop talking about this just a heads up.

[smoky yoke]

we enter in the crypt for the treasures
there's some lore about

and somehow we fight each other

[white cliff]

There’s so many secret rooms honestly.

[smoky yoke]

100% we didn't see all

[rocky oar]

I didn't even know about until yesterday

[white cliff]

People didn’t know the golden key room was even still in the game.

[rocky oar]

80 hours in one alpha too btw

[lucid root]

is that the secret book-case door and you go down the stairs?

[smoky yoke]

🥲

[white cliff]

It was that well hidden.

[smoky yoke]

yes

[lucid root]

then you pull the lever down the stairs and go out the other door

[smoky yoke]

and i want more secrets

i just like the design map already with the shortcuts

the shortcuts around and everything is very nice

[lucid root]

tiny shortcuts only gnomes can use

[smoky yoke]

lol

[neon meadow]

No

[lucid root]

gnomes are coming just accept it

[white hinge]

Or a shapeshifter class

[neon meadow]

short playable characters will degrade the quality of the game

[rancid pebble]

some youtuber I forget which said they missed a big secret and the devs gave hints

[open ermine]

dwarfs comin

[rancid pebble]

I think it was narcisus, so even secret hunters havent found everything

[open ermine]

give em lower base move speed but they don't have to crouch through crawlspaces

[white hinge]

Wow this is not nice to the short gamers (6’2 btw)

[white cliff]

Yep that’s the Druid.

[lucid root]

should we be able to collect pokemon in the dungeon?

[open ermine]

if it worked for WoW why not?

[white hinge]

Yes like Pokémon go?

[lucid root]

lmao

[lusty wren]

Will change the game too radically

[rancid pebble]

lawsuit speedrun

[white hinge]

But can’t call it Pokémon. Maybe something different like digital monsters

[smoky yoke]

yea, the flow would be different.

it is better if it remains like it is now

[lucid root]

darkiemon, sounds kind of racist though

[lusty wren]

Yes I like the slower more methodical approach. Your decisions have more weight behind them I feel

[rancid pebble]

it also makes it funny outrunning someone at a snail pace

[lucid root]

pavise ranger waddling away

[quaint ivy]

The game pacing is perfect, excluding the storm. Need another 5 minutes lol

[rancid pebble]

really? I didnt mind the time it wasa

[lusty wren]

The time was ok

[white hinge]

I could see a couple of minutes added but I don’t think it needs much more if any

[rancid pebble]

lots of people seem to hate the circle tho

[lusty wren]

but 15 min would be better giving you that extra lil bit of time at the end would be nice

[white cliff]

I like it.

[white hinge]

Short games was part of what made it fun and replay able

[lucid root]

there are a couple spawns that suck as solo, then the circle comes in before you're done opening shit

[open ermine]

people just trying to figure out the game got mopped by it a lot i noticed

[white cliff]

The end circle needs to be a bit longer. I find myself fighting six people and not being able to sort loot and leave.

[white hinge]

Yeah but you just die a few times 🤷‍♂️ and play again with starter gear

That happens no matter the timer

[quaint ivy]

I like the urgency of the circle. I just think the last circle should stick around a little bit longer for the ending teams that are there to dukeee it out, I loved fighting for lobby supremacy

[lusty wren]

Give it that extra 3 minutes but backload it towards the end of the circles

[open ermine]

yes, i sure did enjoy spawning in that one room that literally has the circle wall already inside it

[lusty wren]

So the last 2 or so circles last a tad longer

This way we can have good fights at the end and still have the opportunity to loot them

[quaint ivy]

Exactly

So sure have the circle shrink same speed but give us the death match when we are at the final circle lol, that'd be so much fun

[wintry forge]

Both are good, but if gear was standardized it would give players a chance to play an occasional tournament that's more skill based (since the gear qualities would be equal).

[lusty wren]

I also would like the final boss to not be time gated by the circle. So my preference would be. You have to be the last group alive and then interact with a alter or something and it takes you to the dragon cave wher eyou fight the final boss

[rancid pebble]

I think maybe the first circle should be wider, or maybe add a circle so people on the fringes pay attention. Some get caught off guard by how far you havbe to go

[lusty wren]

I think being "caught off guard" should be punished

Good lesson to pay attention to your surroundings and the conditions of the game

[quaint ivy]

Getting caught off guard is the point. Yeah

[rancid pebble]

Ye

I have never died by storm, but I have seen too many suggestions of people despising it

even though it is probably the most forgiving storms in any BR

[quaint ivy]

Yeah it's definitely forgiving. I've made a lot of storm plays too

[lusty wren]

I bring pots and bandies primarily for storm play

You can pretty much make it across the entire map

[white hinge]

Forgiving except for the sudden end

But you learn that quickly

[quaint ivy]

sip sip pass

[white hinge]

sip sip gulp sluuuuurp burp

[rocky oar]

I honestly like how the storm is

[lusty wren]

I disliked the storm at first, but it grew on me

[rocky oar]

I usually dislike storms but this one is forgiving but not too much cause if ur not careful you could find yourself in one shot territory from another player if you don't keep urself topped of because of how fast ttk is

[timber sigil]

bro the death swarm is so nice, threatening enough to dictate pace, loose enough to play in it

[wintry forge]

What about vault? Sometimes it could help you avoid getting pinned by a mob.

[lusty wren]

I like crouch jump 😄

[smoky yoke]

yea, crouch jump it does act the same as vaulting

[smoky yoke]

@wintry forge not sure if you know, but if you jump normally, sometimes you can't reach some places.
you have to jump and then doing ctrl (to crouch) and you will jump higher.

[lusty wren]

I was pretty surprised on how many people seemed unaware of this

[open ermine]

true i got way to many escapes by just crouch jumping over railing from other players who would just jump at the rails and stare at me for a bit

[lusty wren]

YA i had this happen on multiple occasions

[rocky oar]

I do think that should be fixed

[lusty wren]

I assumed it was intended. First match I tested lots of movement stuff including crouch jump

[smoky yoke]

🥲

crouch jumping was something there was since Half Life iirc

but it is probably not common in many games tbh

[rocky oar]

It's not

That's why I thought it was really weird that I couldn't jump on certain things that obviously looked like you could and found out you had to crouch jump

[open ermine]

last game i remember crouching jumping having actual use in was Black mesa i think as far as movement in the environment goes

[smoky yoke]

yeah, some spots are not reachable otherwise

[lusty wren]

HALO is what taught me crouch jumping

[smoky yoke]

oh, i see

[smoky yoke]

black mesa does run half life engine i think? may make sense

[rocky oar]

I don't know if it was intended in this game cause it legit looks jank when you do it

[smoky yoke]

for example the gravestones near skeletons if you jump normally you cant get up there but if you crouch jump then you can

and there the 🧀

they can't damage you then, expect the skeleton rangers

[lusty wren]

Id rather see them play around it then remove it. Create some small gaps that you have to crouch jump into as shortcuts much like they have the tunnels that you crouch thru but higher up off the ground

[open ermine]

there are a few like that i think from my memory

[lusty wren]

Maybe add a few cheeky places for it specifically

[open ermine]

can't remember exactly what the room was in B2, but long hallway that was running over top of another hallway there was a cracked wall you could hop over with crouch jumping to drop floors

[rocky oar]

I think you need to be able to jump higher and remove crouch jump. It's the same thing and kinda scuffed when people don't know it's even a thing cause the game doesn't tell.

And it looks unintentional but I could be wrong.

[lusty wren]

Yes, I do recall this

[rocky oar]

I found out crouch jump was a thing because B3 had a room with 4 archers and 2 bridges. The bridges had doors to the boss room. The only way up was either the doors that connected to the boss room or the ramp to get to the top of the bridge but you had to jump up to get on the bridge once you got to the top of the ramp. However you could not even get up with a normal jump and it obviously looked like you are supposed to be able to get up there and that is when I found out crouch jump was a thing.

[lusty wren]

This type of thing is why It feels intentional

[open ermine]

might be crouch jumping is intended atm as a neutral mechanic since rangers have a jump spell that might get added

gotta update that little tutorial book ingame to let people know

[rocky oar]

The ramp also looked incomplete mind you. It didn't fully connect to the bridge and I don't think it is supposed to look like a fallen pillar either cause there were no other ones in the room.

[lilac lily]

Crouch jumping is definitely intentional, there are secret areas only accessible by using it, eg the mini library parkour hidden room. Removing crouch jumping is clearly not something the devs would do

[open ermine]

wait there was a hidden room in the mini library ontop of the bookshelves?

i jumped on those things out of habit so many times and never noticed lol

[lilac lily]

Hahaha yep

[smoky yoke]

there's some really some insane spots also, for real

[lusty wren]

My buddy had found it for me. Other wise I probably never would have

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message hmm I think I'm fine with this, a ranger only doesn't have traps if they had a successful run & used them. So they should have $$ to buy more, though maybe the vendor just doesn't sell the super cheap ones

[smoky yoke]

it is insane how ranger can stack so many traps, there was a funny video that showed a bit the issue with ranger about traps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LgCZBk7tU

here if someone wants to watch, it is insane lol

go to 5:00 please, so many traps lol

more than 10/12 traps
something i never seen before

worth to be discussed, because the fact it is possible to bring so many traps, not sure if it may be balanced.
but I honestly don't know.

[white hinge]

Watching these videos just makes the withdrawals worse

There should be some kind of nerf on traps I feel, maybe they’re bigger in the inventory?

[rocky oar]

they already big

[white hinge]

Yeah but you can bring like 24? In

[smoky yoke]

i think they already are

[rocky oar]

take a different route?

[smoky yoke]

not even sure how he managed to put more than 10 traps in that door

there is also the fact you can go with a team of 3 rangers and stack with traps

[rocky oar]

which is very popular cause of how strong ranger is lol

even doing double ranger with cleric is nutty

[smoky yoke]

yea

[rocky oar]

which is the meta for boss farm

[smoky yoke]

also wizard
and if 1 wizard is op
3 wizards not sure what they are

[lucid root]

Wiz, cleric, ranger is pretty strong

[rocky oar]

I saw a triple wizard kill lich king in 10 seconds but idk if it was norm or high

[smoky yoke]

[smoky yoke]

same

with the projectiles?

[rocky oar]

magic missiles

[smoky yoke]

the missiles

yea

[mossy ruin]

Probably will always be an issue, might have to force limit max in inventory at once.

[rocky oar]

they didn't even get through all their magic missiles before it died

[smoky yoke]

that was crazy in fact

[lucid root]

Cleric to heal the wizards while they burst the boss down

[rocky oar]

u wouldn't need it

[lucid root]

I did lol

[rocky oar]

also this only works against lich, ghost king teleports too much

[lucid root]

I probably took 2 heals on any given boss, but I was the only one really doing damage

[rocky oar]

You can def get away with 2 wizs and a cleric if wiz are playing with optimal perks and spells plus blessing from cleric

[lucid root]

Or go the opposite end and run 3 clerics lol

Never lose...but everything takes longer 👴

[wintry forge]

I haven't played Ranger, but I'm definitely going to try that build next PT.

[rocky oar]

With ignite being fixed, I am def gonna take chain lightning as my 5th spell and just hit the boss with it and clear the mobs in the process lol

[lucid root]

Imagine if chain lightning made all of the missiles come out simultaneously

[rocky oar]

?

[lucid root]

Magic shotgun

Intense focus I meant

[rocky oar]

oh

[lucid root]

I feel like intense focus wouldn't be as good on bosses

[rocky oar]

if boss farming too can run the arcane perk where you get stacks of 1% dmg and cast speed for arcane spells stacking up to 7%, you would shred the boss

[lucid root]

I mean still good, but not as good as it is for pvp

[neon meadow]

Mage kinda sucks PvE

[cedar whale]

very abuseable at only 3g each

[agile condor]

Agreed

[neon meadow]

Just using spells on PvE feels bad. Once you're lvl 15 it's not bad. But during the leveling process, feels pretty bad

[rocky oar]

Felt fine to me

[strange sandal]

does anyone know if their going to implement different game modes such as pve and pvp

[neon meadow]

Probably not

[granite plinth]

i doubt it tbh

[strange sandal]

i dont blame them i like it how it is now

[finite tide]

@mystic swan nice suggestion rng torches for room lighting would be epic

[mystic swan]

Thanks for the support!

Thought of it when playing ranger. Whenever I saw a torch off i would panic and look at the ground to see if there’s a trap or be way more alert

[amber widget]

More torch paranoia is very nice!

[opaque shore]

Yes, I love stress and being scared!
No sarcasm I actually love the dark ambience horror in Dark and Darker

[lusty wren]

Q: Will the game have a dedicated PvE Mode?
A: I have some concerns about various dungeon types and modes. However since we develop based on experiments and confirmations, it is impossible to confirm with words at this stage.

I hope this means NO as it reads

[open ermine]

reads like it's been bottom priority for them and waiting for a potential attempt to see if it can work

[lucid root]

It won't

[open ermine]

probably not but

"we develop based on experiments and confirmations" sounds like at some point they will try and come back with more answers

[lusty wren]

| I have some concerns about various dungeon types and modes" I think PVE is the mode he has concerns with. But didnt want to shut the door on ANY OTHER modes

[open ermine]

right

[lucid root]

Better to test each individual game mode to see if it flows properly than throw in a bunch of crap modes

[wintry forge]

I'm not sure they're concerned about a PvE mode. The steam trailer and screenshots only show one 3-man party and no enemy players, so based on that it looks like the focus is on PvE.

[lusty wren]

I mean he kinda says it word for word 😄

Why would he have chosen that word choice if he had no concerns with pve?

I think after playing the game you can clearly tell the focus is not on pve

[lucid root]

I mean as shallow as the pve is right now its still kind of fun lol

[wintry forge]

If the focus was PvP, don't you think Ironmace would've made sure the trailer and screenshots highlighted PvP encounters, instead of excluding them?

[lusty wren]

Have you played the game?

[barren wing]

I think it’s hard to focus on the PvE when they’re trying to make sure PvP is balanced

[lusty wren]

PVEVP is the clear focus. The game would be dramatically different if you drop either aspect

[wintry forge]

You know I've played the game. Watch the Steam trailer and screenshots and tell us if you think they highlight PvP at all.

[lusty wren]

And to have a standalone PVE you would need to do alot of work. Because DaD does not do it nearly as well as many games dedicated to it

[rancid pebble]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1065808186289963118

Seems neat

[low flare]

Im 99% sure this is already a thing, at least in High roller
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

They highlight a team of people dungeon delving As if it was DnD which the creators most likely were trying to get a crossed to people. Form a group go dungeon dive just like DnD 😄

[opaque shore]

Say it ain't so

[lusty wren]

"Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters."

Sounds like focus is PvEvP to me

[open ermine]

the trailers lack of pvp focus could be due to how earlier it was made

[lusty wren]

Also if you look at that same webpage. There is a clear picture of a person waiting behind a door to clap a team of people

So yes they do show PVP in their art

[open ermine]

you might see a new trailer down the road towards EA as they get more footage of players in the playtests

[lusty wren]

https://www.ironmace.com/

scroll down to comfort in the shadows for example 😄

[lucid root]

It can be both pve and pvp? Oh my goooooood

[wintry forge]

Sure. Then Ironmace should add another trailer and screenshots that show PvP. People that go to the Steam page are getting confused.

[lusty wren]

First line of the steam store

"An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE"

If you are confused or anyone else its a reading comprehension issue.

[lucid root]

Yeah it's missing a W for wizard

I'll be here all night

[wintry forge]

I'm just saying they should show it in the trailer and screenshots.

[lusty wren]

Why when they explicitly state it in the first line of the store page

[smoky yoke]

[wintry forge]

You're just asking for people to look for hidden information. People might just go look at the trailer and screenshots to get a first impression.